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From: "Tom Kristensen (tomkrist)" <tomkrist@cisco.com>
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It would be ideal to treat bfcpver the same way as the other, existing attr=
ibutes. Hopefully, the authors of  draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes? wi=
ll add them to this draft.


I do like to move the BUNDLE reference to informational, so I support Charl=
es' text proposal in his last paragraph below.


-- Tom

________________________________
Fra: Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
Sendt: 8. juli 2016 23:39
Til: Tom Kristensen; bfcpbis@ietf.org
Kopi: Tom Kristensen (tomkrist); Suhas Nandakumar (snandaku); Christer Holm=
berg
Emne: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-15.txt

Hi Tom,

Thanks for incorporating the changes. The dtls-id change looks good. Unfort=
unately, the MUX category change suffers from the fact we are chasing a mov=
ing target. draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes was updated recently and t=
he NOT RECOMMENDED category was replaced with the CAUTION category.

Upon taking another look at draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes, my previo=
us suggestion was not good. draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes already de=
fines the Mux category for all SDP attribute defined in rfc4583bis except t=
he newly added bfcpver SDP attribute. For this, I think the Mux category sh=
ould be IDENTICAL. However, I'm not sure if it should be added to rfc4583bi=
s or to draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes directly. I have cc'd Suhas to=
 Christer to get their input, both on the mux category selected and where i=
t should be specified.

As for multiplexing of BFCP lines, perhaps rfc4583bis should simply say, "M=
ultiplexing of BFCP 'm' lines, as defined in BUNDLE [16], is not defined by=
 this specification."
If we agree to this, the reference to BUNDLE should be Informational instea=
d of Normative.

Cheers,
Charles


From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org>> o=
n behalf of Tom Kristensen <2mkristensen@gmail.com<mailto:2mkristensen@gmai=
l.com>>
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 11:13 PM
To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org<mailto:bfcpbis@ietf.org>" <bfcpbis@ietf.org<mailto:bf=
cpbis@ietf.org>>
Cc: Tom Kristensen <tomkrist@cisco.com<mailto:tomkrist@cisco.com>>
Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-15.txt

Incorporates the two issues spotted by Charles in the -14 version. The draf=
t should most likely and hopefully be ready to proceed through the next sta=
ges now.

-- Tom

On 7 July 2016 at 08:10, <internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@i=
etf.org>> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis  of the =
IETF.

        Title           : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Format for Bin=
ary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams
        Authors         : Gonzalo Camarillo
                          Tom Kristensen
                          Paul E. Jones
        Filename        : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-15.txt
        Pages           : 21
        Date            : 2016-07-06

Abstract:
   This document specifies how to describe Binary Floor Control Protocol
   (BFCP) streams in Session Description Protocol (SDP) descriptions.
   User agents using the offer/answer model to establish BFCP streams
   use this format in their offers and answers.

   This document obsoletes RFC 4583.  Changes from RFC 4583 are
   summarized in Section 14.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-15

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-15


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<p>It would be ideal to treat bfcpver the same way as the other, existing a=
ttributes. Hopefully, the authors of&nbsp;&nbsp;draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-a=
ttributes&#8203; will add them to this draft.<br>
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<p>I do like to move the BUNDLE reference to informational, so I support Ch=
arles' text&nbsp;proposal in his last paragraph below.<br>
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<p>-- Tom<br>
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lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>Fra:</b> Charles Eckel (eckelcu=
)<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 8. juli 2016 23:39<br>
<b>Til:</b> Tom Kristensen; bfcpbis@ietf.org<br>
<b>Kopi:</b> Tom Kristensen (tomkrist); Suhas Nandakumar (snandaku); Christ=
er Holmberg<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-15.txt=
</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:1=
4px">Hi Tom,</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:1=
4px"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:1=
4px"><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks for incorporating the changes=
. The dtls-id change looks good. Unfortunately, the MUX category change suf=
fers from the fact we are chasing a
 moving target.&nbsp;</font><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-attributes w=
as updated recently and the NOT RECOMMENDED category was replaced&nbsp;with=
 the CAUTION category.&nbsp;</font></span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:1=
4px"><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,25=
4,254)">&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:14px; background-color:rgb(254,253,253)">U=
pon taking another look at&nbsp;</font><span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,s=
ans-serif; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-mux-att=
ributes</span><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=
=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">,
 my previous suggestion was not good. draft-</font></span><span style=3D"ba=
ckground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">ietf-mmu=
sic-sdp-mux-attributes already defines the Mux category for all SDP attribu=
te defined in rfc4583bis except the
 newly added bfcpver SDP attribute.&nbsp;For this,&nbsp;I think the Mux cat=
egory should be IDENTICAL. However,&nbsp;I&#8217;m not sure if it should be=
 added to rfc4583bis or to&nbsp;</font></span><span style=3D"background-col=
or:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">draft-ietf-mmusic-sd=
p-mux-attributes
 directly.&nbsp;I have cc&#8217;d Suhas to Christer to get their input, bot=
h on the mux category selected and&nbsp;where it should be&nbsp;</font></sp=
an><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif">specified.</font></div>
<div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font face=3D"Calibr=
i,sans-serif"><br>
</font></span></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,25=
4,254)">As for multiplexing of BFCP lines, perhaps rfc4583bis&nbsp;should s=
imply say, &quot;</font><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif" style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color:rgb(255,254,254)">Multiplexing of BFCP&nbsp;&#8216;m'
 lines,&nbsp;</font>as defined in BUNDLE [16], is not defined by this speci=
fication.&#8221;</div>
<div>If we agree to this, the reference to BUNDLE should be Informational i=
nstead of Normative.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Charles</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>bfcpbis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
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il.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 11=
:13 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bfcpbis=
@ietf.org">bfcpbis@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bfcpbis@ietf.or=
g">bfcpbis@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
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ailto:tomkrist@cisco.com">tomkrist@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: =
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Incorporates the two issues spotted by Charles in the -14 =
version. The draft should most likely and hopefully be ready to proceed thr=
ough the next stages now.
<div><br>
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<div>-- Tom</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 7 July 2016 at 08:10, <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-draft=
s@ietf.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1=
px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
<br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis&nbsp; of=
 the IETF.<br>
<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Title&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;:=
 Session Description Protocol (SDP) Format for Binary Floor Control Protoco=
l (BFCP) Streams<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Authors&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;: Gonz=
alo Camarillo<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; Tom Kristensen<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; Paul E. Jones<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Filename&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; : draft-iet=
f-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-15.txt<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Pages&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;:=
 21<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Date&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; :=
 2016-07-06<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;This document specifies how to describe Binary Floor Control P=
rotocol<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;(BFCP) streams in Session Description Protocol (SDP) descripti=
ons.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;User agents using the offer/answer model to establish BFCP str=
eams<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;use this format in their offers and answers.<br>
<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;This document obsoletes RFC 4583.&nbsp; Changes from RFC 4583 =
are<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;summarized in Section 14.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
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 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf=
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Changed milestone "Draft for SDP WebSocket Connection URI Attribute to
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My review of draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-05 as part of the SDP =
directorate review.


Overall review feedback:

1. How does draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri interact and work with ICE, =
and IPv6/IPv4 address preference in the OS?
2. The active/passive text has me nervous, especially considering that =
draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-10 says:
"   BFCP WebSocket clients cannot receive incoming WebSocket connections
   initiated by any other peer.  This means that a BFCP WebSocket client
   MUST actively initiate a connection towards a BFCP WebSocket server."
Is the active/passive stuff really necessary, or can it be simplified =
for the common use case where the BFCP server is a server, on the =
Internet, and thus doesn't need ICE and thus the clients always initiate =
connection to it, and the clients only validate its certificate and the =
clients do not include their certificate in TLS ClientHello.  (see =
comments below, too, about client certificate).


Specific review feedback:


Section 1, "Introduction":
   While it is possible to generate self-signed certificates with
   Internet Providers (IPs) as CNAME, in most cases it is not viable for
   certificates signed by well known authorities.=20

I can't make sense of that sentence standalone, or within its paragraph. =
 Is it trying to say IP address (rather than Internet Provider), and is =
it trying to say self-signed certificates are not viable?  I encourage =
the authors to review that entire paragraph for consistency, as it is an =
important paragraph justifying the entire SDP work, but this sentence =
needs special attention and re-writing.  This sentence needs to be fixed =
in the document.


Section 3.2 and 3.3, "ws-uri SDP Attribute" and "wss-uri SDP Attribute", =
these comments apply to both sections:

   When the 'ws-uri' attribute is present in the media section of the
   SDP, the IP address in 'c=3D ' line SHALL be ignored and the full URI
   SHALL be used instead to open the WebSocket connection.

Later in section 4.2, an example shows using port 9 (discard port).  Do =
you want to consider making that a requirement, so we never have issues =
of disagreeing ports?

The document needs to clarify if IPv6 or IPv4 are attempted =
simultaneously, if all A and AAAA records are used per some order or =
only first, if a Happy Eyeballs-like algorithm is needed, or something =
else.  Document needs to discuss DNS failure.  I wonder how devices like =
cellular phones supporting this SDP would acquire a DNS name, but I =
guess we could declare that out of scope of this I-D, and it is =
something else's problem.

   The port
   provided in the 'm=3D ' line SHALL be ignored too, as the 'a=3Dws-uri'
   SHALL provide port number when needed.

Please clarify in the document if the default web socket ports (80 and =
443) are used, or if some other default port algorithm is used.


Section 3.3, "wss-uri SDP Attribute", does not discuss if the =
certificates presented in TLS handshake need to match, or what happens =
if they don't match, or if the certificate needs to be chased up the =
certificate validation trust chain.  This more appropriately belongs in =
the new section that I suggest below for the 'active' connection.


Section 4.2, "Generating the Initial Offer"

   If the offerer assigns the SDP "setup" attribute
   with a value of "passive", the offerer MUST be prepared to receive an
   incoming TCP connection on the IP and port tuple advertised in the
   "c=3D" line and audio/video ports of the BFCP media stream before it
   receives the SDP answer.

The sentence above conflicts with ignoring the 'c=3D' line in Sections =
3.2 and 3.3, and using the port number of the URI in a=3Dws-uri or =
a=3Dwss-uri.  The document needs to resolve this conflict.

=20
Section 4.3, Generating the Answer

Should DNS be queried before, or after, generating the answer?  Or is =
that a quality of implementation issue?

The section needs a paragraph saying the offer and answer have to align =
with "ws" or "wss".  That is, if the offer was for (un-)encrypted =
WebSockets, the answer has to be, too.


   ... If the answerer assigns an SDP "setup" attribute with a value of
   "active", the answerer MUST initiate the WebSocket connection
   handshake by acting as client on the negotiated media stream, towards
   the IP address and port of the offerer using the procedures described
   in [RFC6455].

Does it also send a GET, like what is described in 4.4??  In any event, =
my point is that 4.4 and 4.3 do not align on the exact procedure for the =
"active" side.  It should.  And the "active" procedure (IPv6/IPv4, DNS =
error, ICE) should be more carefully detailed -- probably in its own =
separate section so there is no risk of accidental different procedures =
or interpretation.


Overall, it seems only the server's certificate is validated, and -- =
unlike DTLS-SRTP -- the client's certificate is never sent?  Is that =
correct?   This is the typical web model of security, but is not the =
typical peer-to-peer model of security.  This seems useful to point out =
in Security Considerations.

-d


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My review of draft-ietf-bfcpbis-bfcp-websocket-10 as part of SDP =
directorate review.


Section 6.1, "Transport Negotiation" is unclear if it is overriding the =
port handling described in draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-05, or merely =
re-stating the port handling described in =
draft-ietf-bfcpbis-sdp-ws-uri-05.  That is, the text is not clear if the =
port in the wss-uri override what is in the 'm' line?  I suggest using =
exactly the same phrasing in both documents.  This is stated clearly in =
Section 6.2, and should only be stated once in this document -- or =
perhaps just defer to what draft-ietf-bcpbis-dsp-ws-uri says and not =
attempt to re-discuss it here in this document would be best, no?  =
Section 7 seems pretty duplicative of draft-ietf-bcpbis-dsp-ws-uri, too; =
which document is normative where the text disagrees, and if the text is =
word-for-word identical, what purpose is served to repeat it?

nits:  Section 4.1 should clarify that "bFcP" is compared =
case-insensitive, which we all know, but bears repeating.


Section 8:
"   When a BFCP WebSocket client connects to a BFCP WebSocket server, it
   SHOULD use TCP/WSS as its transport.  The WebSocket client SHOULD
   inspect the TLS certificate offered by the server and verify that it
   is valid."

"Is valid" is too vague.  Please add citation to RFC7525, if that is =
appropriate.  Or if RFC7525's procedures are inappropriate, detail what =
steps are performed to determine validity.  It seems the a=3Dfingerprint =
is *not* supposed to be used, right?  Rather, chasing the certificate =
chain is used against the FQDN in the wss-uri.

Section 8:
"   Section 9 of [I-D.ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4582bis] states that BFCP clients
   and floor control servers SHOULD authenticate each other prior to
   accepting messages, and RECOMMENDS that mutual TLS/DTLS
   authentication be used."
...
"   In order to authorize the WebSocket connection, the BFCP WebSocket
   server MAY inspect any cookie [RFC6265] headers present in the HTTP
   GET request."

This "MAY" to check cookies is too weak, when the recommendation in =
ietf-bcpbis-rfc4582bis was mutual authentication! The server needs to =
better authorize the client than just a MAY!  I don't understand how =
this document can suggest reducing a SHOULD to a MAY, when we're talking =
of authorizing and authenticating clients. =20

-d


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