From nobody Mon Sep 25 09:28:58 2017 Return-Path: <2mkristensen@gmail.com> X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35951344D5 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:28:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wr25idTX5G_6 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22b.google.com (mail-oi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D34241344B4 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id v188so7730293oia.5 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:28:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ByPnOxyhqci5BdkjG8fWD4fOP0Q7JJx1x1l6a9u2xyg=; b=h0ZHs/tLMuXvURUD7YMApDF8epx8nl2BzTql9DC8ov2t07qg+U7vYZO41TOU26y2Md qWYfRewYYNJA9lLFnbDKUpQrFELPoriPJAqbXNtm+ENI9oipt7snT8H0DoVNneH1VX+4 OY/Oj1Uv+IsmkJ1Byqa514SeJ/9jJlTAlwpYbhkG555t10iysJ/ZCvk2VIRsjHDVKzoC oKZ3Q5Q3a1VE4m9aUySdzI0v7TjV0n9qLkxnr5jUXQaQiYKsOOeI6bqJ4ZsulBbRKpui 12M/AUCBNxxLuZ04eU+ExIoXJ5XGX72ryNFX3328njKHzojRmcwpOCVwpY8lOtOgXJFM eP4w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ByPnOxyhqci5BdkjG8fWD4fOP0Q7JJx1x1l6a9u2xyg=; b=cwpi/7XL9ywf6azL+F3BPRW0D3+sShz1XO/1MFvzGvi7ACWuLhI3nbx8oib9bHyp9W DNbDQP/3SEAMcwTtlsUYm0zBRcY+JqbDvOIYz17Dh8vugZc3V2e+00nfB7LAvlKaCAae EXd0RyXgrstFh2kMtwLThDutwob/zKaNIPfZTh2N/Eziiyl0O0Y4Qi4C6Lyl0d4gZrgc n1GuPnPMGLIx9QOUXQwUhLRlveR+gCnYOtifEvChSj6xpyKkTDGBbsKuf1vTzQiMjKQx yAj2fN2+cZlpqY5guTNau2aEXj+LU4f2byQi5NSvQ+MCPOWtWlo2F+4zp4G4zkJckCl0 WlqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUiwi3XeLGc26TOokDT6czlNP5/K2wMB8UNLC+XicSHuRa+nbGsS cct3Asy8TFhYOjPb4YGN7bpJjiCGIuJPouc7D5s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QBtKbtc8tDqf3Yo0W1hAOCdMnXIXtaSd3Qk0NDMnUGh8AQFYl3DgCqjw0hjoLlibh7NGNZe+efx8yMg20Xe1AA= X-Received: by 10.202.219.2 with SMTP id s2mr9924435oig.294.1506356933226; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:28:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.1.204 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <33AC90F8-1963-4F79-ACB2-0DB2873D5E34@cisco.com> From: Tom Kristensen <2mkristensen@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 18:28:52 +0200 Message-ID: To: Roman Shpount Cc: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" , "Tom Kristensen (tomkrist)" , Alan Ford , "bfcpbis@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo , Christer Holmberg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d5ed8e8f642055a060dbb" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:28:57 -0000 --001a113d5ed8e8f642055a060dbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Answers inline. On 19 July 2017 at 01:37, Roman Shpount wrote: > Hi All, > > I have reviewed the document and have the following comments: > > Section 8 BFCP Connection Management: > > It specifies that BFCP can use TCP or UDP as underlying transport. It doe= s > not specify what happens when ICE, TCP/DTLS/BFCP, TCP/TLS/BFCP, or > UDP/TLS/BFCP are used. I suggest to explicitly specify that ICE, > TCP/DTLS/BFCP, and UDP/TLS/BFCP follow the same procedures for connection > management as UDP/BFCP. TCP/TLS/BFCP follows the same procedures as TCP/B= FCP > TK: :) Yes, stating just that for a clear definition of behaviour to use and expect. > Section 9 Authentication: > > Not sure why we are talking about SIP here. I think we should restate > > When SDP is used to perform an offer/answer exchange, the initial mutual > authentication takes place at the SIP level. Additionally, SIP uses S/MIM= E > [6] to provide an integrity-protected channel with optional confidentiali= ty > for the offer/answer exchange. > > as > > When SDP is used to perform an offer/answer exchange, the initial mutual > authentication SHOULD take place at the signaling level. Additionally, > signaling can use S/MIME [6] to provide an integrity-protected channel wi= th > optional confidentiality for the offer/answer exchange. > TK: :) Yes, we may very well generalize from stating SIP to use the term signaling (of some sort). > This section specifies that "This implies that unless a 'fingerprint' > attribute is included in the session description, the certificate provide= d > at the TLS-/DTLS-level MUST either be directly signed by one of the other > party's trust anchors or be validated using a certification path that > terminates at one of the other party's trust anchors [5]". I thought > "fingerprint" attribute are required and certificate signature by trust > anchor is irrelevant. > > Not sure what "When using UDP, the procedure above was preferred since it > adheres to [16] as used for DTLS-SRTP" means, especially since [16} is no= t > specific to SRTP-DTLS, but specifies generic rules for all DTLS based > protocols. The whole logic is circular since it proposes to follow > procedures from [16] since they are compliant with procedures from [16]. > TK: I'm currently trying to remember the background for this text, it was altered and added in one of the many rounds earlier on. I agree that this is not clear and a bit confusing. > Section 10. ICE Considerations > > Please synchronize text with text in https://tools.ietf.org/html/ > draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26#section-12.2 . This section was updated > during WGLC for draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp, so it would make sense to > synchronize those changes here. Let me know if you need help with this. > TK: I'll draft a sketch of this. > > Regards, > > _____________ > Roman Shpount > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) < > eckelcu@cisco.com> wrote: > >> (As WG co-chair) >> >> This is a reminder that WGLC ends tomorrow. I realize the time to review >> overlaps with IETF prep and meeting times. If you require more time to >> review the draft, please let me know. Otherwise, please share your revie= w >> comments by the end of tomorrow. >> >> Thanks, >> Charles >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bfcpbis on behalf of Charles Eckel < >> eckelcu@cisco.com> >> Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 5:59 PM >> To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" >> Subject: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis >> >> (As WG co-chair) >> >> This is to announce an additional working group last call for >> draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis, "Session Description Protocol (SDP) Forma= t >> for Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams". >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/ >> >> This is intended as a Standards Track RFC, obsoleting RFC 4583. >> Please respond to the list by July 18th (i.e. 2 weeks) with any >> comments. >> >> We had a working group last call previous, but a significant amount >> of time and some substantial changes and additions have occurred to just= ify >> another review of the draft in its entirely. It is helpful to attempt to >> categorize your comment (e.g. technical issue vs. editorial), and also t= o >> provide any replacement text you feel is necessary. >> If you review the document and have no comments, please tell the >> chairs that you have reviewed it. This is always useful information in >> assessing the degree of WG review and consensus behind the document. >> Note, we have not scheduled a working group session for IETF 99 in >> Prague. This WGLC will close during IETF 99. If helpful, we can arrange = a >> side meeting to discuss any significant issues, or with any luck, gather= at >> a bar to celebrate the draft being ready to advance to the next step tow= ard >> RFC. >> >> Cheers, >> Charles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bfcpbis mailing list >> bfcpbis@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > bfcpbis mailing list > bfcpbis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis > > --=20 # http://folk.uio.no/tomkri/ | +47 9516 1107 (m) ## http://facebook.com/tomkri/ | xmpp:tomkri@jabber.no ### "=C3=85 leve er =C3=A5 ta stilling. Jeg hater likegyldige mennesker.", = A. Gramsci --001a113d5ed8e8f642055a060dbb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Answers inline.

On 19 July 2017 at 01:37, Roman Shpount = <rshpount@= turbobridge.com> wrote:
Hi All,

I have re= viewed the document and have the following comments:

Sec= tion 8 BFCP Connection Management:

It specifies th= at BFCP can use TCP or UDP as underlying transport. It does not specify wha= t happens when ICE, TCP/DTLS/BFCP, TCP/TLS/BFCP, or UDP/TLS/BFCP=C2=A0are u= sed. I suggest to explicitly specify that ICE, TCP/DTLS/BFCP, and UDP/TLS/B= FCP follow the same procedures for connection management as UDP/BFCP. TCP/T= LS/BFCP follows the same procedures as TCP/BFCP

TK: :) Yes, stating just that for a clear definition = of behaviour to use and expect.
=C2=A0
Section 9 Auth= entication:

Not sure why we are talking about SIP = here. I think we should restate

When SDP is used to per= form an offer/answer exchange, the initial mutual authentication takes plac= e at the SIP level. Additionally, SIP uses S/MIME [6] to provide an integri= ty-protected channel with optional confidentiality for the offer/answer exc= hange.

as

When SDP is used to per= form an offer/answer exchange, the initial mutual authentication SHOULD tak= e place at the signaling level. Additionally, signaling can use S/MIME [6] = to provide an integrity-protected channel with optional confidentiality for= the offer/answer exchange.

=C2=A0TK: :) Yes, we may very well generalize from stating SIP to us= e the term signaling (of some sort).
=C2=A0
Thi= s section specifies that "This implies that=C2=A0unless a 'fingerp= rint' attribute is included in the session=C2=A0description, the certif= icate provided at the TLS-/DTLS-level MUST=C2=A0either be directly signed b= y one of the other party's trust anchors or be validated using a certif= ication path that terminates at one of=C2=A0the other party's trust anc= hors [5]". I thought "fingerprint" attribute are required an= d certificate signature by trust anchor is irrelevant.

Not sur= e what "When using UDP, the procedure above was preferred since it adh= eres to [16] as used for DTLS-SRTP" means, especially since [16} is no= t specific to SRTP-DTLS, but specifies generic rules for all DTLS based pro= tocols. The whole logic is circular since it proposes to follow procedures = from [16] since they are compliant with procedures from [16].=C2=A0

TK: I'm curr= ently trying to remember the background for this text, it was altered and a= dded in one of the many rounds earlier on. I agree that this is not clear a= nd a bit confusing.
=C2=A0
Section 10. ICE Consi= derations

Please synchronize text with text in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-s= ctp-sdp-26#section-12.2=C2=A0. This section was updated during WGL= C for draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp, so it would make sense to synchronize tho= se changes here. Let me know if you need help with this.
<= /div>

TK: I'll draft a sketch of = this.
=C2=A0

Regards,
=

_____________
Roman Shpount

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Charles Eck= el (eckelcu) <eckelcu@cisco.com> wrote:
(As WG co-chair)

This is a reminder that WGLC ends tomorrow. I realize the time to review ov= erlaps with IETF prep and meeting times. If you require more time to review= the draft, please let me know. Otherwise, please share your review comment= s by the end of tomorrow.

Thanks,
Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Charles Eckel <eckelcu@cisco.com><= br> Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 5:59 PM
To: "bfcpbis@iet= f.org" <b= fcpbis@ietf.org>
Subject: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (As WG co-chair)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is to announce an additional working group last call for= draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis, "Session Description Protocol (SDP) Fo= rmat for Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams".
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is intended as a Standards Track RFC, obsoleting RFC 458= 3.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please respond to the list by July 18th (i.e. 2 weeks) with a= ny comments.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We had a working group last call previous, but a significant = amount of time and some substantial changes and additions have occurred to = justify another review of the draft in its entirely. It is helpful to attem= pt to categorize your comment (e.g. technical issue vs. editorial), and als= o to provide any replacement text you feel is necessary.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you review the document and have no comments, please tell = the chairs that you have reviewed it. This is always useful information in = assessing the degree of WG review and consensus behind the document.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Note, we have not scheduled a working group session for IETF = 99 in Prague. This WGLC will close during IETF 99. If helpful, we can arran= ge a side meeting to discuss any significant issues, or with any luck, gath= er at a bar to celebrate the draft being ready to advance to the next step = toward RFC.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cheers,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Charles


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________
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[74.125.83.54]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o5sm12589578pfh.67.2017.09.25.13.45.27 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id d8so4672989pgt.4 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:45:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDrldIJUGBmsuy8+h8syIoZKx6IYUQwyEKan4sPTyKKxpGTlN2XkRrHP1A4IDw0H2rddiy1nRf7bEeY4yVElu8= X-Received: by 10.84.238.135 with SMTP id v7mr8791630plk.276.1506372327597; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:45:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.189.2 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:45:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8B51BC6F-6DC1-4B13-A51D-5F5BA57165FC@cisco.com> References: <33AC90F8-1963-4F79-ACB2-0DB2873D5E34@cisco.com> <8B51BC6F-6DC1-4B13-A51D-5F5BA57165FC@cisco.com> From: Roman Shpount Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:45:27 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" Cc: Tom Kristensen <2mkristensen@gmail.com>, "Tom Kristensen (tomkrist)" , Alan Ford , "bfcpbis@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo , Christer Holmberg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045fdf887c6e0d055a09a3ad" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 20:45:33 -0000 --f403045fdf887c6e0d055a09a3ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: > This section specifies that "This implies that unless a 'fingerprint' > attribute is included in the session description, the certificate provided > at the TLS-/DTLS-level MUST either be directly signed by one of the other > party's trust anchors or be validated using a certification path that > terminates at one of the other party's trust anchors [5]". I thought > "fingerprint" attribute are required and certificate signature by trust > anchor is irrelevant. > > > > Not sure what "When using UDP, the procedure above was preferred since it > adheres to [16] as used for DTLS-SRTP" means, especially since [16} is not > specific to SRTP-DTLS, but specifies generic rules for all DTLS based > protocols. The whole logic is circular since it proposes to follow > procedures from [16] since they are compliant with procedures from [16]. > > > > TK: I'm currently trying to remember the background for this text, it was > altered and added in one of the many rounds earlier on. I agree that this > is not clear and a bit confusing. > > [cue] After consulting the archives, it seems this was introduced in > version -04 of the draft as a result of an issue raised by Gonzalo. > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bfcpbis/ > emDvYolUyI4VjEiVuBqNoWMgz40/?qid=0e356a8b7a948f87669c6d992f6214db > > > The current text read like this "When DTLS is used with UDP, the requirements specified in Section 5 of [16] MUST be followed". In the following paragraph this is explained saying "When using UDP, the procedure above was preferred since it adheres to [16] as used for DTLS-SRTP, it does not overload offer/answer semantics, and it works for offerless INVITE in scenarios with B2BUAs". I am not sure why this explanation is needed, since it essentially says that procedure from DTLS-SDP draft is used since it is compatible with procedure from DTLS-SDP draft. I think the second sentence can be rewritten to say: "When using UDP, procedure defined in [16] was selected in order to be compatible with other DTLS based protocol implementations, such as DTLS-SRTP. Furthermore, procedure defined in [16] does not overload offer/answer semantics and works for offerless SIP INVITE in scenarios with B2BUAs. Regards. _____________ Roman Shpount --f403045fdf887c6e0d055a09a3ad Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu@cis= co.com> wrote:

This section specifies that "This implies that= =C2=A0unless a 'fingerprint' attribute is included in the session= =C2=A0description, the certificate provided at the TLS-/DTLS-level MUST=C2= =A0either be directly signed by one of the other party's trust anchors or be validated using a certification path that terminates at one of=C2=A0= the other party's trust anchors [5]". I thought "fingerprint&= quot; attribute are required and certificate signature by trust anchor is i= rrelevant.

=C2=A0

Not sure what "When using UDP, the procedure ab= ove was preferred since it adheres to [16] as used for DTLS-SRTP" mean= s, especially since [16} is not specific to SRTP-DTLS, but specifies generi= c rules for all DTLS based protocols. The whole logic is circular since it proposes to follow procedures from [16] since t= hey are compliant with procedures from [16].=C2=A0

=C2=A0

TK: I'm currently trying to remember the backgro= und for this text, it was altered and added in one of the many rounds earli= er on. I agree that this is not clear and a bit confusing.

[cue] After consulting the archives, it seems this w= as introduced in version -04 of the draft as a result of an issue raised by= Gonzalo.

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bfcpbis/em= DvYolUyI4VjEiVuBqNoWMgz40/?qid=3D0e356a8b7a948f87669c6d992f6214db

=C2=A0


The current text read like this "When DTL= S is used with UDP, the requirements specified in Section 5 of [16] MUST be= followed". In the=C2=A0following paragraph this is explained saying &= quot;When using UDP, the procedure above was preferred since it adheres to = [16] as used for DTLS-SRTP, it does not overload offer/answer semantics, an= d it works for offerless INVITE in scenarios with B2BUAs". I am not su= re why this explanation is needed, since it essentially says that procedure= from DTLS-SDP draft is used since it is compatible with procedure from DTL= S-SDP draft.

I think the second sentence can be rewritten to say: "When usin= g UDP, procedure defined in [16] was selected in order to be compatible wit= h other DTLS based protocol implementations, such as DTLS-SRTP. Furthermore= , procedure defined in [16] does not overload offer/answer semantics and wo= rks for offerless SIP INVITE in scenarios with B2BUAs.

Regards.
_____________
Roman= Shpount

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bfcpbis@ietf.org, adam@nostrum.com, eckelcu@cisco.com, bfcpbis-chairs@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150664378393.14144.14908869119920823312.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 17:09:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [bfcpbis] bfcpbis - Not having a session at IETF 100 X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 00:09:44 -0000 Charles Eckel, a chair of the bfcpbis working group, indicated that the bfcpbis working group does not plan to hold a session at IETF 100. 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