From nobody Mon Dec 4 07:09:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bfcpbis@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B101275FD for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:09:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FF2XdwJ_O4X7 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt0-x22a.google.com (mail-qt0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E61F1275C5 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id g9so21561746qth.9 for ; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 07:09:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=D0bzoLlep2VV6PpxnI8orrRS9H0ayzoTBS9C3GDsbGM=; b=lekE/lgAkcpXakVfXDKr5Apth7zIgEBzZ21ounUk+GYAv54ol+gRNMiY7AhJj1rs8Q oJNnLLefa9cZviuYWE+hJl8fJGEVV8czYs4SjLOSBVHk4+UAX9HpuI/3piSZ2naDidUf 0/gXJsIB6PIfrqxg/XJy8aafwWfLw1Y3Wq3LdwXiAqdIimMzU9Jyd0ZdSSP56BYw0ivS QGYcDZxqsUWTBRbG6wFk1tfcLf83H5f/wjmBzgQ7+9ZE7SxGJrdydAODawbchoUpqGFV SKjRVmlEQKW7tNpDfm5Orw3bP7WMRmpympaUD/4mPhN3wXj9sDQruNOhSDMPFTJF48PX B07A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=D0bzoLlep2VV6PpxnI8orrRS9H0ayzoTBS9C3GDsbGM=; b=Urxt7q+9ySMX6o9OOCf/b2QSa9cYmfST/meX1F1x0MfYcShPmsIowvZSGZVdbAY13z rSipUzDUJf0eX8EXIkkpQO8x6JrYW08hMRHHwC4BiwQB4LWGS6KpQao8nq/hZHEM16Z7 pxFvS80BtHqdvcFiiDB7++lGil8WybjG6i0MiwT9U3gfzZpiV4aLJ5CxW2d8RmDrxntr X3Ant+uzPttF6ZDsEsQzyjuRIn6GMVYS9oHEG33qusTFZbplD7pW5rPvvFuunkMIa9Vw WZQE4HSq7dX5VvxFVvfn76hgVtn/SG9fZplg53i2wMOpFt2DxYdyjFGMmOcN+MkTFc33 GzqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJyzHqXM4MQhOohKoiO/bYypxCk7aOC5CNVylddfavbUvmo0GdQ YIsmMlzOJt7NwaOijTmwHrHX0B4Rm4fZ/+gVmD8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbasGS1HUe6wYTmQ7SzX+6yEmz7RW52ANeJQvVodelUOHZdPqEdaFQP9MhNboiTcMgImbDljn3I+72wL5V9tng= X-Received: by 10.200.63.51 with SMTP id c48mr19854646qtk.200.1512400182433; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 07:09:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.39.72 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:09:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <150940339968.28222.9223927414804349057@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Mary Barnes Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 09:09:41 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" Cc: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" , Alan Ford , Christer Holmberg , Roman Shpount , "Tom Kristensen (tomkrist)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114ff222a1ed1c055f851bbd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18.txt X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 15:09:46 -0000 --001a114ff222a1ed1c055f851bbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'll work on the write-up over the next couple weeks - I'll have to dust off my notes on this one. It would be good to get positive responses from Alan, Roman and Christer. Regards, Mary On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) wrote: > I have reviewed the draft. It looks really good. As far as I can tell, it > addresses all the comments from WGLC and does so very well. It includes > some additional cleanup that helps readability too. Nice job Tom. > > Alan, Roman and Christer, each of you provided valuable input during WGLC. > If you have not already, please review the updated draft and confirm > whether or not your concerns have been addressed. Unless I hear otherwise, > we will progress this draft to "WG Consensus: Waiting for Writeup" by the > end of next week. > > Mary, it would be great if you could start preparing your write-up in > parallel. > > Cheers, > Charles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bfcpbis on behalf of " > internet-drafts@ietf.org" > Date: Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:43 PM > To: "i-d-announce@ietf.org" > Cc: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" > Subject: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protocol Bis WG > of the IETF. > > Title : Session Description Protocol (SDP) Format > for Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams > Authors : Gonzalo Camarillo > Tom Kristensen > Paul E. Jones > Filename : draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2017-10-30 > > Abstract: > This document defines the Session Description Protocol (SDP) offer/ > answer procedures for negotiating and establishing Binary Floor > Control Protocol (BFCP) streams. > > This document obsoletes RFC 4583. Changes from RFC 4583 are > summarized in Section 15. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > bfcpbis mailing list > bfcpbis@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis > > > --001a114ff222a1ed1c055f851bbd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll work on the write-up over the next couple weeks -= I'll have to dust off my notes on this one.=C2=A0 It would be good to = get positive responses from Alan, Roman and Christer.

Re= gards,
Mary

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) = <eckelcu@cisco.com> wrote:
I have reviewed the draft. It looks really good. As far as I can tell, it = addresses all the comments from WGLC and does so very well. It includes som= e additional cleanup that helps readability too. Nice job Tom.

Alan, Roman and Christer, each of you provided valuable input during WGLC. = If you have not already, please review the updated draft and confirm whethe= r or not your concerns have been addressed. Unless I hear otherwise, we wil= l progress this draft to "WG Consensus: Waiting for Writeup" by t= he end of next week.

Mary, it would be great if you could start preparing your write-up in paral= lel.

Cheers,
Charles


-----Original Message-----
From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounc= es@ietf.org> on behalf of "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:43 PM
To: "i-d-announce@ietf.org" <i-d-announce@ietf.org<= /a>>
Cc: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" &l= t;bfcpbis@ietf.org>
Subject: [bfcpbis] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18.txt

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-D= rafts directories.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This draft is a work item of the Binary Floor Control Protoco= l Bis WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Session Description Protocol (SDP) Format for Binary Floor C= ontrol Protocol (BFCP) Streams
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0: Gonzalo Camarillo
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tom Kristensen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Paul E. Jones
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 23
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2017-10-30

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines the Session Description Pr= otocol (SDP) offer/
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0answer procedures for negotiating and establishi= ng Binary Floor
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Control Protocol (BFCP) streams.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This document obsoletes RFC 4583.=C2=A0 Changes = from RFC 4583 are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0summarized in Section 15.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are also htmlized versions available at:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/htm= l/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://datatrac= ker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A diff from the previous version is available at:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.o= rg/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-18


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the tim= e of submission
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.= org.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______________________________________________
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 bfcpbis mailing list
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 bfcpbis@ietf.org
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf= o/bfcpbis



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14.03.0352.000; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:16:46 +0100 From: Christer Holmberg To: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" , "bfcpbis@ietf.org" CC: "Tom Kristensen (tomkrist)" , Roman Shpount , Alan Ford , "Gonzalo Camarillo" , "alan@pexip.com" Thread-Topic: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis - Christer's review Thread-Index: AdMCPCFSYamXLa2wSSi7CPCvHfiETwKoe+aAGBVp11AAYTHdAAAhNucA Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:16:45 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4CC93DD7@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C03BCEF@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> <42C58DF0-BDAB-45BB-91B1-1F55FC2E278C@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <42C58DF0-BDAB-45BB-91B1-1F55FC2E278C@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.7.170905 x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.20] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: 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bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 08:16:52 -0000 Hi, > =20 > Q1: SDP 'floorctrl' attribute: > ------------------------------------- > =20 > It is very unclear whether the attribute is mandatory in >offers/answers or not. > =20 > Section 11.1 says that it MUST be included in offers. However, >section 4 seems to indicate that it may not be included in an offer. > =20 > Section 11.2 says that it MUST be included in an answer, while >section 4 indicates that it is only included if present in the offer. > >[cue] Sections 11.1 says it MUST be included in offers IF the offerer >acts as a floor control server. >[cue] Similarly, section 11.2 says it MUST be included in the answer IF >the answerer acts as a floor control server. Section 4 does not talk about the role. The text says: "If an SDP media description in an offer contains a 'floorctrl' attribute, the answerer accepting that media MUST include a 'floorctrl' attribute in the corresponding media description of the answer.=B2 >[cue] This is consistent with section 4, which states a floor control >server acting as an offerer or as an answerer MUST include this attribute >in its session descriptions. Based on the text in section 11.2, if the answerer does NOT include the attribute in the answer, it would mean that the answerer acts as floor control client. Right? BUT, the text in section 4 says: "If the 'floorctrl' attribute is not used in an offer/answer exchange, by default the offerer and the answerer will act as a floor control client and as a floor control server, respectively.=B2 So, to me that means that if the answerer does NOT include the attribute in the answer, the answerer acts as server. >[cue] So I think this is technically correct, though as you point out, >perhaps not the best wording. That said, it was reworded in this draft to >try to make it more clear. Do you have a different wording that you think >would be better? In my opinion, section 4 should only define the attribute, and what it is used for. The offer/answer considerations should ONLY be in section 11. Regards, Christer =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Eckel (eckelcu) [mailto:eckelcu@cisco.com] > Sent: 19 July 2017 12:23 > To: bfcpbis@ietf.org > Cc: Tom Kristensen (tomkrist) ; Roman Shpount >; Alan Ford ; Gonzalo >Camarillo ; Christer Holmberg >; alan@pexip.com > Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis > =20 > (As WG co-chair) > =20 > Thanks to those who provided reviews. We have decided to extend >WGLC an additional week, through July 25, to provide folks tied up with >other IETF matters time to complete their reviews. > =20 > Cheers, > Charles=20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: bfcpbis on behalf of Charles >Eckel > Date: Monday, July 17, 2017 at 10:10 AM > To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" > Cc: Tom Kristensen , Roman Shpount >, Alan Ford , Gonzalo >Camarillo , Christer Holmberg > > Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis > =20 > (As WG co-chair) > =20 > This is a reminder that WGLC ends tomorrow. I realize the >time to review overlaps with IETF prep and meeting times. If you require >more time to review the draft, please let me know. Otherwise, please >share your review comments by the end of tomorrow. > =20 > Thanks, > Charles > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: bfcpbis on behalf of Charles >Eckel > Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 5:59 PM > To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" > Subject: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis > =20 > (As WG co-chair) > =20 > This is to announce an additional working group last call >for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis, "Session Description Protocol (SDP) >Format for Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams". > =20 >http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/ > =20 > This is intended as a Standards Track RFC, obsoleting RFC >4583. > Please respond to the list by July 18th (i.e. 2 weeks) >with any comments. > =20 > We had a working group last call previous, but a >significant amount of time and some substantial changes and additions >have occurred to justify another review of the draft in its entirely. It >is helpful to attempt to categorize your comment (e.g. technical issue >vs. editorial), and also to provide any replacement text you feel is >necessary. > If you review the document and have no comments, please >tell the chairs that you have reviewed it. This is always useful >information in assessing the degree of WG review and consensus behind the >document. > Note, we have not scheduled a working group session for >IETF 99 in Prague. This WGLC will close during IETF 99. 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"bfcpbis@ietf.org" , "Tom Kristensen (tomkrist)" , Roman Shpount , Gonzalo Camarillo Message-Id: References: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B4CC93DD7@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B6C03BCEF@ESESSMB109.ericsson.se> <42C58DF0-BDAB-45BB-91B1-1F55FC2E278C@cisco.com> To: Christer Holmberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis - Christer's review X-BeenThere: bfcpbis@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BFCPBIS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:38:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_68916AD5-AA82-4FB1-9A4D-8CB673B98F32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, I agree with Christer re Section 4 here, the text has become slightly = confused. Now the presence of this attribute in O/A has been raised to a = MUST, the following paragraph serves no purpose any more and should be = removed: If the 'floorctrl' attribute is not used in an offer/answer exchange, by default the offerer and the answerer will act as a floor control client and as a floor control server, respectively. That would resolve the confusion highlighted here. Regarding my own WGLC comments, I=E2=80=99m not going to kick up any = more of a fuss about this, but in Section 6, although the text re = =E2=80=9Cmstrm=E2=80=9D has been improved to clarify being optional, I = remain confused as to what the scenario actually is for a floorid = without associated media stream(s). Does it affect all streams in that = case? Or would it be used for floors that do not have any associated = media streams (whatever that means)? I think it would be useful to = define what the lack of mstrm means (unless it=E2=80=99s = application-specific, in which case we can ignore it). Other than that, I am happy with the document as it now stands. Regards, Alan > On 7 Dec 2017, at 08:16, Christer Holmberg = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 >>=20 >> Q1: SDP 'floorctrl' attribute: >> ------------------------------------- >>=20 >> It is very unclear whether the attribute is mandatory in >> offers/answers or not. >>=20 >> Section 11.1 says that it MUST be included in offers. However, >> section 4 seems to indicate that it may not be included in an offer. >>=20 >> Section 11.2 says that it MUST be included in an answer, while >> section 4 indicates that it is only included if present in the offer. >>=20 >> [cue] Sections 11.1 says it MUST be included in offers IF the offerer >> acts as a floor control server. >> [cue] Similarly, section 11.2 says it MUST be included in the answer = IF >> the answerer acts as a floor control server. >=20 > Section 4 does not talk about the role. The text says: >=20 > "If an SDP media description in an offer contains a 'floorctrl' > attribute, the answerer accepting that media MUST include a > 'floorctrl' attribute in the corresponding media description of the > answer.=C2=B2 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> [cue] This is consistent with section 4, which states a floor control >> server acting as an offerer or as an answerer MUST include this = attribute >> in its session descriptions. >=20 > Based on the text in section 11.2, if the answerer does NOT include = the > attribute in the answer, it would mean that the answerer acts as floor > control client. Right? >=20 > BUT, the text in section 4 says: >=20 > "If the 'floorctrl' attribute is not used in an offer/answer = exchange, > by default the offerer and the answerer will act as a floor control > client and as a floor control server, respectively.=C2=B2 >=20 > So, to me that means that if the answerer does NOT include the = attribute > in the answer, the answerer acts as server. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> [cue] So I think this is technically correct, though as you point = out, >> perhaps not the best wording. That said, it was reworded in this = draft to >> try to make it more clear. Do you have a different wording that you = think >> would be better? >=20 > In my opinion, section 4 should only define the attribute, and what it = is > used for. The offer/answer considerations should ONLY be in section = 11. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Christer >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles Eckel (eckelcu) [mailto:eckelcu@cisco.com] >> Sent: 19 July 2017 12:23 >> To: bfcpbis@ietf.org >> Cc: Tom Kristensen (tomkrist) ; Roman = Shpount >> ; Alan Ford ; Gonzalo >> Camarillo ; Christer Holmberg >> ; alan@pexip.com >> Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis >>=20 >> (As WG co-chair) >>=20 >> Thanks to those who provided reviews. We have decided to extend >> WGLC an additional week, through July 25, to provide folks tied up = with >> other IETF matters time to complete their reviews. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Charles=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bfcpbis on behalf of Charles >> Eckel >> Date: Monday, July 17, 2017 at 10:10 AM >> To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" >> Cc: Tom Kristensen , Roman Shpount >> , Alan Ford , Gonzalo >> Camarillo , Christer Holmberg >> >> Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis >>=20 >> (As WG co-chair) >>=20 >> This is a reminder that WGLC ends tomorrow. I realize the >> time to review overlaps with IETF prep and meeting times. If you = require >> more time to review the draft, please let me know. Otherwise, please >> share your review comments by the end of tomorrow. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Charles >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bfcpbis on behalf of = Charles >> Eckel >> Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 5:59 PM >> To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" >> Subject: [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis >>=20 >> (As WG co-chair) >>=20 >> This is to announce an additional working group last = call >> for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis, "Session Description Protocol = (SDP) >> Format for Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams". >>=20 >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/ >>=20 >> This is intended as a Standards Track RFC, obsoleting = RFC >> 4583. >> Please respond to the list by July 18th (i.e. 2 weeks) >> with any comments. >>=20 >> We had a working group last call previous, but a >> significant amount of time and some substantial changes and additions >> have occurred to justify another review of the draft in its entirely. = It >> is helpful to attempt to categorize your comment (e.g. technical = issue >> vs. editorial), and also to provide any replacement text you feel is >> necessary. >> If you review the document and have no comments, please >> tell the chairs that you have reviewed it. This is always useful >> information in assessing the degree of WG review and consensus behind = the >> document. >> Note, we have not scheduled a working group session for >> IETF 99 in Prague. This WGLC will close during IETF 99. If helpful, = we >> can arrange a side meeting to discuss any significant issues, or with = any >> luck, gather at a bar to celebrate the draft being ready to advance = to >> the next step toward RFC. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Charles >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> bfcpbis mailing list >> bfcpbis@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> bfcpbis mailing list >> bfcpbis@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bfcpbis >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_68916AD5-AA82-4FB1-9A4D-8CB673B98F32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi all,

I agree with Christer re Section 4 here, the text has = become slightly confused. Now the presence of this attribute in O/A has = been raised to a MUST, the following paragraph serves no purpose any = more and should be removed:

   If the 'floorctrl' =
attribute is not used in an offer/answer exchange,
   by default the offerer and the answerer will act as a floor control
   client and as a floor control server, respectively.

That would resolve = the confusion highlighted here.

Regarding my own WGLC comments, I=E2=80=99= m not going to kick up any more of a fuss about this, but in Section 6, = although the text re =E2=80=9Cmstrm=E2=80=9D has been improved to = clarify being optional, I remain confused as to what the scenario = actually is for a floorid without associated media stream(s). Does it = affect all streams in that case? Or would it be = used for floors that do not have any associated media streams (whatever = that means)? I think it would be useful to define what the lack of mstrm = means (unless it=E2=80=99s application-specific, in which case we can = ignore it).

Other than that, I am happy with the document as it now = stands.

Regards,
Alan

On = 7 Dec 2017, at 08:16, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi,

  Q1: SDP 'floorctrl' attribute:
=   -------------------------------------

  It is very unclear whether the attribute is = mandatory in
offers/answers or not.

  Section 11.1 says that it MUST be included in = offers. However,
section 4 seems to indicate that it may = not be included in an offer.

=   Section 11.2 says that it MUST be included in an answer, = while
section 4 indicates that it is only included if = present in the offer.

[cue] Sections 11.1 = says it MUST be included in offers IF the offerer
acts as = a floor control server.
[cue] Similarly, section 11.2 says = it MUST be included in the answer IF
the answerer acts as = a floor control server.

Section = 4 does not talk about the role. The text says:

 "If an SDP media description in an offer contains a = 'floorctrl'
  attribute, the answerer accepting = that media MUST include a
  'floorctrl' = attribute in the corresponding media description of the
=   answer.=C2=B2



[cue] This is consistent = with section 4, which states a floor control
server acting = as an offerer or as an answerer MUST include this attribute
in its session descriptions.

Based on the text in section 11.2, if the answerer does NOT = include the
attribute in the answer, it would mean that = the answerer acts as floor
control client. Right?

BUT, the text in section 4 says:

 "If the 'floorctrl' attribute is not = used in an offer/answer exchange,
  by default = the offerer and the answerer will act as a floor control
=   client and as a floor control server, respectively.=C2=B2

So, to me that means that if the answerer does = NOT include the attribute
in the answer, the answerer acts = as server.



[cue] So I think this is = technically correct, though as you point out,
perhaps not = the best wording. That said, it was reworded in this draft to
try to make it more clear. Do you have a different wording = that you think
would be better?

In my opinion, section 4 should = only define the attribute, and what it is
used for. The = offer/answer considerations should ONLY be in section 11.

Regards,

Christer


=       -----Original Message-----
      From: Charles Eckel = (eckelcu) [mailto:eckelcu@cisco.com]
=       Sent: 19 July 2017 12:23
      To: bfcpbis@ietf.org
      Cc: Tom Kristensen = (tomkrist) <tomkrist@cisco.com>; Roman Shpount
<rshpount@turbobridge.com>; Alan Ford <alan.ford@gmail.com>; Gonzalo
Camarillo = <gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com>; Christer Holmberg
<christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>; alan@pexip.com
      Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] = WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis

=       (As WG co-chair)

      Thanks to those who = provided reviews. We have decided to extend
WGLC an = additional week, through July 25, to provide folks tied up with
other IETF matters time to complete their reviews.

=       Cheers,
=       Charles

=       -----Original Message-----
      From: bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Charles
Eckel <eckelcu@cisco.com>
=       Date: Monday, July 17, 2017 at 10:10 = AM
      To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>
      Cc: Tom Kristensen = <tomkrist@cisco.com>, Roman Shpount
<rshpount@turbobridge.com>, Alan Ford <alan.ford@gmail.com>, Gonzalo
Camarillo = <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com>, Christer Holmberg
<christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
=       Subject: Re: [bfcpbis] WGLC for = draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis

=           (As WG = co-chair)

=           This is a = reminder that WGLC ends tomorrow. I realize the
time to = review overlaps with IETF prep and meeting times. If you require
more time to review the draft, please let me know. Otherwise, = please
share your review comments by the end of = tomorrow.

=           Thanks,
=           Charles

=           -----Original = Message-----
=           From: = bfcpbis <bfcpbis-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Charles
Eckel <eckelcu@cisco.com>
=           Date: = Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 5:59 PM
=           To: "bfcpbis@ietf.org" <bfcpbis@ietf.org>
=           Subject: = [bfcpbis] WGLC for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis

=             &n= bsp; (As WG co-chair)

=             &n= bsp; This is to announce an additional working group last call
for draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis, "Session Description = Protocol (SDP)
Format for Binary Floor Control Protocol = (BFCP) Streams".

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis/<= /a>

=             &n= bsp; This is intended as a Standards Track RFC, obsoleting RFC
4583.
=             &n= bsp; Please respond to the list by July 18th (i.e. 2 weeks)
with any comments.

=             &n= bsp; We had a working group last call previous, but a
significant amount of time and some substantial changes and = additions
have occurred to justify another review of the = draft in its entirely. It
is helpful to attempt to = categorize your comment (e.g. technical issue
vs. = editorial), and also to provide any replacement text you feel is
necessary.
=             &n= bsp; If you review the document and have no comments, please
tell the chairs that you have reviewed it. This is always = useful
information in assessing the degree of WG review = and consensus behind the
document.
=             &n= bsp; Note, we have not scheduled a working group session for
IETF 99 in Prague. This WGLC will close during IETF 99. If = helpful, we
can arrange a side meeting to discuss any = significant issues, or with any
luck, gather at a bar to = celebrate the draft being ready to advance to
the next = step toward RFC.

=             &n= bsp; Cheers,
=             &n= bsp; Charles


=             &n= bsp; _______________________________________________
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