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From owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu Sun Oct 15 21:42:01 2000 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [128.125.51.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id VAA12826 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 21:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by catarina.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA51255 for bgmp-list; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:06:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: catarina.usc.edu: majordom set sender to owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu using -f Received: from usc.edu (root@usc.edu [128.125.253.136] (may be forged)) by catarina.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA51250 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.storm.ca (storm.ca [209.87.239.69]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id SAA28875 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.ca (ppp027.ottawa.storm.ca [209.87.255.27]) by mail.storm.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11196 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 20:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39EA5250.7D7B4427@storm.ca> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 20:56:48 -0400 From: Sandy Harris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bgmp@catarina.usc.edu Subject: State of BGMP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm just starting to look at multicast issues. At first glance, things do not look encouraging. Looking at IETF pages, the BGMP draft has expired. I see no sign of a new draft and no announcement of advance to RFC status. From the archive, this mailing list appears moribund. There's more spam than real content in the last few months. What am I missing? From owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu Mon Oct 16 03:20:11 2000 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [128.125.51.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id DAA00109 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by catarina.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA53891 for bgmp-list; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:49:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: catarina.usc.edu: majordom set sender to owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu using -f Received: from usc.edu (root@usc.edu [128.125.253.136] (may be forged)) by catarina.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA53886 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id XAA25544 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 23:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neserve0.corp.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: neserve0.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.92.148]) id QQjlct06976; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:49:30 GMT Received: by neserve0.corp.us.uu.net id QQjlct15821; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: jhall@uu.net (Jeremy Hall) Message-Id: Subject: Re: State of BGMP In-Reply-To: <39EA5250.7D7B4427@storm.ca> from Sandy Harris at "Oct 15, 2000 08:56:48 pm" To: Sandy Harris Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:49:26 -0400 (EDT) CC: bgmp@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If memory serves, BGMP has some problems on lans. From time to time, the multicast pendulum swings from source-based trees to shared trees. The Network Operators are currently drifting towards sourced-based trees. This means BGMP gets less than optimal attention. Without going into a long drawn out debate concerning the merits of this, let me just say the following. For YEARS, multicast has progressed in many diversified directions, each with its strengths and weaknesses. Some want flood-and-prune based protocols, like DVMRP or PIM DENSE mode. Some want sparse-based trees, where the receiver requests what he wants. Some want CBT, even still, some want MOSPF. Without going on and on, each protocol here has its supporters and hecklers, but because the multicast community is not unified in what it wants, things don't move very rapidly. Is there any wonder application developers are gingerly supporting IGMPV2, some now IGMPV3. None of these address security and multicast, something people are quietly sweeping under the rug. The only reason MBGP, or BGP4++, or BGP4+ (we can't agree on the name of the thing) got deployed was because we all agree it should be used to connect domains together (like unicast currently does) The router vendors picked a side, and this time the same side, and deployed both MBGP and MSDP. The key to moving forward is to ralley behind whatever is moving most rapidly, or, come up with your own winning solution and convince your supporters to swing in your direction. The current trend is to swing towards something called PIM-SSM, Single Source Multicast. Here, we are reinventing satellite transmissions for marketing, maybe it will fly. I hope I have answered your questions and at the same time haven't ruffled TOO many feathers; it's just the way I see it. That said, I DO believe we will have a need for BGMP eventually. There may come a day when conferencing or distance learning or something of the sort takes off. When it does, we will need to be able to transport that material in a useful way. When Multicast takes off and people figure out what it can do for them, we will be addressing these issues again that we have for so long been battling. The words expressed in this message reflect personal observation, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the BGMP working group chairs. _J In the new year, Sandy Harris wrote: > I'm just starting to look at multicast issues. At first glance, > things do not look encouraging. > > Looking at IETF pages, the BGMP draft has expired. I see no sign of a > new draft and no announcement of advance to RFC status. From the > archive, this mailing list appears moribund. There's more spam than > real content in the last few months. > > What am I missing? > From owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu Wed Oct 18 15:16:12 2000 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [128.125.51.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA19046 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by catarina.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA80265 for bgmp-list; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: catarina.usc.edu: majordom set sender to owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu using -f Received: from usc.edu (root@usc.edu [128.125.253.136]) by catarina.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA80260 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dthaler.microsoft.com ([131.107.152.20]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id LAA05084 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dthaler@localhost) by dthaler.microsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA08027; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:52:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dthaler) From: Dave Thaler Message-Id: <200010181952.MAA08027@dthaler.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: State of BGMP In-Reply-To: <39EA5250.7D7B4427@storm.ca> from Sandy Harris at "Oct 15, 2000 8:56:48 pm" To: sandy@storm.ca (Sandy Harris) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bgmp@catarina.usc.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm just starting to look at multicast issues. At first glance, > things do not look encouraging. > > Looking at IETF pages, the BGMP draft has expired. I see no sign of a > new draft and no announcement of advance to RFC status. From the > archive, this mailing list appears moribund. There's more spam than > real content in the last few months. > > What am I missing? A new BGMP draft will appear before the next IETF, but as Jeremy stated, there's currently no urgent demand for the scenarios that BGMP enables, although we expect there to be in the future. So it's not dead, just perhaps less critical at the moment than other items the same people are working on. -Dave From owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu Tue Oct 31 04:41:24 2000 Received: from catarina.usc.edu (catarina.usc.edu [128.125.51.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id EAA28111 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by catarina.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA32109 for bgmp-list; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:05:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: catarina.usc.edu: majordom set sender to owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu using -f Received: from usc.edu (root@usc.edu [128.125.253.136] (may be forged)) by catarina.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32104 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp4.cluster.oleane.net (smtp4.cluster.oleane.net [195.25.12.62]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id BAA06761 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:05:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from oleane (dyn-1-1-204.Vin.dialup.oleane.fr [195.25.4.204]) by smtp4.cluster.oleane.net with SMTP id KAA53574 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:05:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001501c0431a$245784e0$8001a8c0@oleane.com> From: "Peter Lewis" To: Subject: The first MPLS exhibition Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:08:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C04322.85E1F120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-bgmp@catarina.usc.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C04322.85E1F120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The first MPLS exhibition ever organized will take place during MPLS = World in Paris.=20 Three exhibiting options are available. 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