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[73.63.232.212]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h3sm14060914pji.9.2020.02.01.08.45.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Feb 2020 08:45:04 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B524097D-2D4B-4E4B-82BB-C12C190AFB1E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Tantsura Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 08:45:03 -0800 Message-Id: References: <3c9dde3ee70848369ddfda10cb7e2545@huawei.com> Cc: Robert Raszuk , "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <3c9dde3ee70848369ddfda10cb7e2545@huawei.com> To: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17C54) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Fwd: BGP Auto Discovery and BGP Auto Session Setup X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2020 16:45:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail-B524097D-2D4B-4E4B-82BB-C12C190AFB1E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Regards, Jeff > On Jan 31, 2020, at 22:17, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Robert and Jeff, > =20 > Yes I also think we=E2=80=99ve agreed to treat them separately. Then the n= ext question is which scenario(s) would be the first target for this design t= eam? My personal feeling is there may be more interests to work on the DC ca= se first. What do you think? > =20 > Best regards, > Jie > =20 > From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rob= ert Raszuk > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:14 PM > To: Jeff Tantsura > Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Fwd: BGP Auto Discovery and BGP Auto Session S= etup > =20 > Cool - then we accomplished first design team milestone :)=20 > =20 > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 1:12 PM Jeff Tantsura wr= ote: > A statement with a question mark ;-) > To rephrase - I think we have already agreed.=20 >=20 > Regards, > Jeff >=20 > > On Jan 30, 2020, at 13:08, Robert Raszuk wrote: > >=20 > > =EF=BB=BF > >=20 > > > To my feeling we have already agreed to treat them separately? =20 > >=20 > > Is that a question or a statement ? > >=20 > >=20 > > --Apple-Mail-B524097D-2D4B-4E4B-82BB-C12C190AFB1E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1

Regards,
Jef= f

On Jan 31, 2020,= at 22:17, Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Hi Robert and Jeff,

 =

Yes I also think we=E2=80= =99ve agreed to treat them separately. Then the next question is which scena= rio(s) would be the first target for this design team? My personal feeling is there may be more interests to work on the DC case f= irst. What do you think?

 =

Best regards,=

Jie

 =

From: Bgp= -autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Fwd: BGP Auto Discovery and BGP Auto Sess= ion Setup

 

Cool - then we accomplished firs= t design team milestone :) 

 

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 1:12 PM J= eff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gm= ail.com> wrote:

A statement with a question mark= ;-)
To rephrase - I think we have already agreed.

Regards,
Jeff

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 13:08, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> >  To my feeling we have already agreed to treat them separatel= y? 
>
> Is that a question or a statement ?
>
>
>

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--0000000000000f0b0f059d890055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Acee, Sure we can do better, but the question to state is *better* really required ? In other words what cases are not solved by using link local addresses for p2p peering ? Just FYI ... Even Google GCP is using link local addresses to establish private BGP peering to your VPC :). Thx, R. On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:15 PM Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > I agree as well. We already have a partial solution for DC where > implementations are using IPv6 ND RA messages to ascertain the link-local > address on P2P fabric addresses. The BGP speakers then peer on the > link-local addresses. RFC 5549 is then used for IPv4 routes. Of course, w= e > can do a lot better than that. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > *From: *Bgp-autoconf on behalf of Jeff > Tantsura > *Date: *Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 11:45 AM > *To: *Jie Dong > *Cc: *"bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" , Robert Raszuk < > robert@raszuk.net> > *Subject: *Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Fwd: BGP Auto Discovery and BGP Auto > Session Setup > > > > +1 > > Regards, > > Jeff > > > > On Jan 31, 2020, at 22:17, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: > > Hi Robert and Jeff, > > > > Yes I also think we=E2=80=99ve agreed to treat them separately. Then the = next > question is which scenario(s) would be the first target for this design > team? My personal feeling is there may be more interests to work on the D= C > case first. What do you think? > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > > > *From:* Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:14 PM > *To:* Jeff Tantsura > *Cc:* bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Fwd: BGP Auto Discovery and BGP Auto > Session Setup > > > > Cool - then we accomplished first design team milestone :) > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 1:12 PM Jeff Tantsura > wrote: > > A statement with a question mark ;-) > To rephrase - I think we have already agreed. > > Regards, > Jeff > > > On Jan 30, 2020, at 13:08, Robert Raszuk wrote: > > > > > > > > > To my feeling we have already agreed to treat them separately? > > > > Is that a question or a statement ? > > > > > > > > --0000000000000f0b0f059d890055 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Acee,

Sure we can do better, but the= question to state is *better* really required ?=C2=A0

=
In other words what cases are not solved by using link local addresses= for p2p peering ?=C2=A0

Just FYI ... Even Google = GCP is using link local addresses to establish private BGP peering to your = VPC :).=C2=A0

Thx,
R.


On Sa= t, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:15 PM Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

I agree as well. We already have a partial solution for DC where = implementations are using IPv6 ND RA messages to ascertain the link-local a= ddress on P2P fabric addresses. The BGP speakers then peer on the link-local addresses. RFC 5549 is then u= sed for IPv4 routes. Of course, we can do a lot better than that.

Thanks,
Acee

=C2=A0

From: Bgp-autoconf <bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org&= gt; on behalf of Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 11:45 AM
To: Jie Dong <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Cc: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" <bgp-autoconf@ietf.org>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>=
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Fwd: BGP Auto Discovery and BGP Auto Ses= sion Setup

=C2=A0

+1

Regards, <= /p>

Jeff



On Jan 31, 2020, at 22:17, Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Robert and = Jeff,

=C2=A0<= u>

Yes I also thi= nk we=E2=80=99ve agreed to treat them separately. Then the next question is= which scenario(s) would be the first target for this design team? My personal feeling is there may be more interests to work on= the DC case first. What do you think?

=C2=A0<= u>

Best regards,<= /span>

Jie<= /u>

=C2=A0<= u>

From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bo= unces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:14 PM
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: bgp-a= utoconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Fwd: BGP Auto Discovery and BGP Auto Ses= sion Setup

=C2=A0

Cool - then we accomplis= hed first design team milestone :)=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at = 1:12 PM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

A statement with a quest= ion mark ;-)
To rephrase - I think we have already agreed.

Regards,
Jeff

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 13:08, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >=C2=A0 To my feeling we have already agreed to treat them separate= ly?=C2=A0
>
> Is that a question or a statement ?
>
>
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<89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6b@huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.221.218] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6bhuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] Discussion about BGP autoconf requirements in DC X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:38:09 -0000 --_000_89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6bhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, It seems we have some consensus to work on the DC case first. Then we can s= tart to identify the set of requirements of BGP auto-conf for using BGP as = the underlay protocol in DC. I try to make an initial list requirement as below. Some of the requirement= s may be optional, and some may be missing. Any comment EBGP using connected-interface address EBGP using loopback address ECMP Validation of allowed peers Liveness detection Supported address family for session setup: IPv4, IPv6 Authentication ... Please share your opinions about this list. Best regards, Jie --_000_89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6bhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

It seems we have some consensus= to work on the DC case first. Then we can start to identify the set of req= uirements of BGP auto-conf for using BGP as the underlay protocol in DC.

 

I try to make an initial list r= equirement as below. Some of the requirements may be optional, and some may= be missing. Any comment

 

EBGP using connected-interface = address

EBGP using loopback address

ECMP

Validation of allowed peers

Liveness detection

Supported address family for se= ssion setup: IPv4, IPv6

Authentication

…

 

Please share your opinions abou= t this list.

 

Best regards,=

Jie

--_000_89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6bhuaweicom_-- From nobody Fri Feb 7 14:50:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDACF1200FA for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:50:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IS5MybXARhEn for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66B43120103 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j0CRr-0006Gj-Di; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 22:50:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 14:50:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" Cc: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6b@huawei.com> References: <89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6b@huawei.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Discussion about BGP autoconf requirements in DC X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 22:50:12 -0000 > EBGP using connected-interface address > EBGP using loopback address > ECMP > Validation of allowed peers > Liveness detection > Supported address family for session setup: IPv4, IPv6 > Authentication > .... > > Please share your opinions about this list. - signal your ip address (which will tell me v4 or v6) and, as it is the 21st century, assump MPBGP - signal your asn. if it is the same as mine, it's iBGP so no need to think about multi-hop etc - signal how many hops i need to get to your listener - signal the authentication isn't the rest either discoverd/agreed in the OPEN or automagic? randy From nobody Fri Feb 7 15:19:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F31C120105 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:19:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pzEOP2gcq9On for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-x22b.google.com (mail-oi1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C0F61200FE for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id b18so3697915oie.2 for ; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OnhU3FhcM6b5QXuQ2bquVtJAcCGP85tE2Z+bKEdDsRU=; b=IvOpm8B5HnK/tybyWXMyLvBb1ufl4sbWsZPY1oKo0BR6wI2NipwnX1QX8sMh8ljM5m P/v0Jd1x3udTq4II5ZikAhiziFfplOFWS6s/6qMjlOr5uJNqmnR5X3eybLtEJqXKwpjZ bJuZkNmZtz83iLggzQC6u/knIfhtei1AaGgHHa5oNHex+XzZazYXvT3HJBeCJAtlcfTg 4u2aF/xY8D23RjF8Qsk8+Mxkx+UfrhbTzvK8oeG9czJwnPQVH3tj5V3H38zuyp/HCNbE SNbfiwgeRqeaHO8TiSnXSuAL/NCAoGNFREAsxj6t7NgpFjk19v9abnlieKdN1O/6sznH ozgw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OnhU3FhcM6b5QXuQ2bquVtJAcCGP85tE2Z+bKEdDsRU=; b=mDZA7feahxXxBLlqIkwK9aBu0Bgw3j0YMmBAzWkkBO8J6smp3GVGZFLMJnncWU4OIw w8AoonUClxicMH7laOiplpGKyisC0zfLz9s5PYsjlIN9chYHONiIJJ8lwUvUKbSr0Ib0 8hA/rzM4nmn44Up4yUmAc8ZIlLco9ShdYOTb2kZuS08L/VUbse+tKbWKoJimW7k2bpKr QWlQmchAr85fdNixwmQyQTyBsZKdaQ7sySWZJ27u2Avc5RqMHRXfuaSKqWk/Xz59F8ns Y5eiZ0pFwaolnzHawQFRGESIaXCAR9cl5Uz9rYIbLE61Y5eFKYPKAK/yZoQDBarnXydA 621Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWOg0crFLWRKUTQqtTsngz+5qvhCCHkVPIHatM8LZUysndHa1fW bD3nfR5FZpvdrkCvEroZKjuwIZi4CCQiEm5gv5HhXA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzjKjXvNQNHtXBNdVigR9vFXQ08823XYwI8swMwcs5l1rPQuulvdEcatkblbQL+XDuqK9N4DOKQn0AHsbSh4Zk= X-Received: by 2002:aca:c7ca:: with SMTP id x193mr3742677oif.70.1581117558530; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 15:19:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6b@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: From: Robert Raszuk Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 00:19:06 +0100 Message-ID: To: Randy Bush Cc: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" , "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006cb639059e049e24" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Discussion about BGP autoconf requirements in DC X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 23:19:21 -0000 --0000000000006cb639059e049e24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Randy & Dongjie, Before we dive into bits and pieces is the assumption that auto discovered stuff is ephemeral and disappears upon reboot or is to stay for a while in the box ? How about marking peers as upstream vs downstream? See we may wan to apply different peer templates up vs down say different prefix limits as example - example to compute vs spine from a given TOR. > - signal your ip address (which will tell me v4 or v6) and, as > it is the 21st century, assump MPBGP Do you want to try all possible AFI/SAFIs in capabilities ? > - signal your asn. if it is the same as mine, it's iBGP so > no need to think about multi-hop etc if it is not the same then you guess if this is multihop, disable connected-check or p2p ? > - signal how many hops i need to get to your listener How would I ever know that apriori ? BTSH in autodiscovery case is a little bit tricky :). > - signal the authentication You mean type ? Well I would put those into pre-cfg template instead. > EBGP using connected-interface address > > EBGP using loopback address > > ECMP > ECMP is not property of the session. It is internal thing to given end. I don't think we need to autodiscover it. > > Validation of allowed peers > Sure but again this is local policy. > > Liveness detection > You mean BFD on/off + BFD flavor ? Or something else ? > > Supported address family for session setup: IPv4, IPv6 > +1 > > Authentication > as commented above Thx, r. PS. I really do not know how far we want to go here but there is few things which ORF can help us with too. --0000000000006cb639059e049e24 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Randy & Dongjie,

Before we dive into bits=C2=A0and pieces is the assumption that aut= o discovered=C2=A0stuff is ephemeral and disappears upon reboot or is to st= ay for a while in the box ?

How about = marking peers as upstream vs downstream? See we may wan to apply different = peer templates up vs down say different prefix=C2=A0limits as example - exa= mple to compute vs spine from a given TOR.=C2=A0

=
>=C2=A0 - signal your ip address (which will tell= me v4 or v6) and, as
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0it is the = 21st century, assump MPBGP

Do you want= to try all possible AFI/SAFIs in capabilities ?=C2=A0

> - signal your asn.=C2=A0 if it is the same as mine, it's iBG= P so
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0no need to think about multi-hop etc

if it is not the same then you guess if this is mul= tihop, disable connected-check or p2p ?=C2=A0

>= ; - signal how many hops i need to get to your listener

How would I ever know that apriori ? BTSH in autodiscover= y case is a little bit tricky :).

> - signal the authentication

You mean type ? Well I would put those into pre-cfg template instead.= =C2=A0

> EBGP using connected-interface address
> EBGP using loopback address
> ECMP

ECMP is not property of the s= ession. It is internal thing to given end. I don't think we need to aut= odiscover it.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
> Validation of allowed peers

Sure b= ut again this is local policy.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
> Liveness detection

You mean BFD on= /off=C2=A0+ BFD flavor ? Or something else ?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
> Supported address family for session setup: IPv4, IPv6

+1
=C2=A0
> Authentication

as commented above= =C2=A0

Thx,
r.=C2=A0

PS. I really do not know how far we want to go here but there is few = things which ORF can help us with too.=C2=A0


<= /div>


--0000000000006cb639059e049e24-- From nobody Fri Feb 7 15:31:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50A3120106 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:31:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G5aWPlIkVL0V for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63A601200E6 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j0D61-0006Nh-L9; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 23:31:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 15:31:37 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Robert Raszuk Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6b@huawei.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Discussion about BGP autoconf requirements in DC X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2020 23:31:41 -0000 > Before we dive into bits and pieces is the assumption that auto > discovered stuff is ephemeral and disappears upon reboot or is to stay > for a while in the box ? do we care? this is discovery, not colonisation :) > How about marking peers as upstream vs downstream? or which flavor of routes i am supposed to give them. maybe which community sets i should use? perhaps we should see how simple we can make this, not how complex? >> - signal your ip address (which will tell me v4 or v6) and, as >> it is the 21st century, assump MPBGP > Do you want to try all possible AFI/SAFIs in capabilities ? doesn't bgp open negotiate this >> - signal your asn. if it is the same as mine, it's iBGP so >> no need to think about multi-hop etc > if it is not the same then you guess if this is multihop, disable > connected-check or p2p ? don't you know if it is single hop by the peer ip address? >> - signal how many hops i need to get to your listener > How would I ever know that apriori ? if you don't, signal 42 or 255 >> - signal the authentication > You mean type ? i am inclined to type and credential. > Well I would put those into pre-cfg template instead. threat model analysis needed here. historically, tcp-md5 was to stop the nasty tcp resets of established sessions; authenticity was not the issue. is that still true? if so, i can trust you to tell me what hash, or whatever, to use. if not, some external authority, such as pre-config, is needed. randy From nobody Sat Feb 8 04:01:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E65120143 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2020 04:01:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vMAD15fJfG7r for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2020 04:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot1-x330.google.com (mail-ot1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76DA612013B for ; Sat, 8 Feb 2020 04:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-x330.google.com with SMTP id j20so1911728otq.3 for ; Sat, 08 Feb 2020 04:01:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8wCHXwxf8yDInsbCeSBwD56l6q0Ujg6gWINykgQlQgA=; b=E4t0gi1I3gAjOwEvoQKTANWQhlopI+rhxOuwgLQ1nECfNNzngwIYg19VYLm9MisCxY Ju8aWp2A4zlrM52cTz1oogB3ZB5Ra96IKJufaC+c/+k4KzgzJr10tekyB2zjCwrhYCDD S7N0JJWwm8qK5I91lD9EWwm0dBL02Wq6wTrjPAw9Ir5IryNvluiz+KvRxSWa4jxcFept RlWrrH9E94wJGCOUJWdXOzc0riBMbKUI94jmJUBO+cq18QThG+UOGh75gE9HZpc1tBjl cEQ0z8+Kv7bh7fKSmrhbjNDdRSkWhf7/+q8nNzgR5eSS5jAPDGMBCUqsW0ubaQwaPj/g o1Gg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8wCHXwxf8yDInsbCeSBwD56l6q0Ujg6gWINykgQlQgA=; b=anPKatR24NjRxqD4x0P8WuKUXuH6jRFz0ZeNeWpXmqnRMD/X0SfQ6M71LyI/Q3gbkt WmZE0FMjnwLZPgX48hkRBG3/gkfwU7jYFQOaeTppZUx0Zyi4aCNdhlwzFljhxgKh7IQj pChoQO7A8fXPxjWrKdUQyczc4KGGjfcs3Mbvdqy8kOmHelNy+4BrRqtUnSDYqO4uCFEC tvHTZEGbrwU6xrLemXQTfsbmIWOE4iSYxz8QyJPkxEWY9C4OMVt+3K4xlq77oo8VEe0t Dt7jyautylZ81sPQrR5dYqxpC2ovgwT2c2FfiQBPb+5wI4FVGI1Sv7Q/xbbfNZqF7I0y Q/2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUip37RhXBzvFt1eMpNNeC0EABrbdtoVViwtVboRXJuP123slWZ tigTTsBfQQFs4QtLV0EjvPKrb3c+uesyR5oe3KN+/Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw6YI5ywutMvZPHrnt0gUqJn8tGuga4PoT7/vxcKuYPTlrwsYdxJFt1QzUVVK8iJSHLNVnG5oF9QOtkWayKtpc= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6a06:: with SMTP id g6mr2966031otn.305.1581163313542; Sat, 08 Feb 2020 04:01:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6b@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: From: Robert Raszuk Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 13:01:43 +0100 Message-ID: To: Randy Bush Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a2cc6e059e0f457e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Discussion about BGP autoconf requirements in DC X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:01:57 -0000 --000000000000a2cc6e059e0f457e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, So as proven in working implementations (see Cumulus) bare min you need to automagically operate is a peer's address. They take it from link local and are done. SAFI is always 1. AFI depends on the IP as you suggested. eBGP AS is learned from OPEN. So their basic interface level bgp cfg is this: - add bgp autonomous-system 65000 - add bgp neighbor swp51 interface remote-as external - add bgp neighbor swp52 interface remote-as external Anything else seems topping on the cake. There is also an interesting case Cumulus did for unnumbered loopback peering ... well it is actually IPv4 loopback to lPv4 loopback but using IPv6 link local as next hops. Works on p2p breaks few hops away. I am not stating that we should or should not but do we have full agreement that DC case must cover any other BGP peering except p2p and lo2lo over p2p ? Is there a real requirement to discover your peers few IP hops away ? Even if you discover - how will you get there ? As far as md5, A0, XYZ to validate if you are legitimate peer this really is not an autodiscovery part. IMO it should be part of preconfigured template. Thx a lot, R. On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 12:31 AM Randy Bush wrote: > > Before we dive into bits and pieces is the assumption that auto > > discovered stuff is ephemeral and disappears upon reboot or is to stay > > for a while in the box ? > > do we care? this is discovery, not colonisation :) > > > How about marking peers as upstream vs downstream? > > or which flavor of routes i am supposed to give them. maybe which > community sets i should use? perhaps we should see how simple we > can make this, not how complex? > > >> - signal your ip address (which will tell me v4 or v6) and, as > >> it is the 21st century, assump MPBGP > > Do you want to try all possible AFI/SAFIs in capabilities ? > > doesn't bgp open negotiate this > > >> - signal your asn. if it is the same as mine, it's iBGP so > >> no need to think about multi-hop etc > > if it is not the same then you guess if this is multihop, disable > > connected-check or p2p ? > > don't you know if it is single hop by the peer ip address? > > >> - signal how many hops i need to get to your listener > > How would I ever know that apriori ? > > if you don't, signal 42 or 255 > > >> - signal the authentication > > You mean type ? > > i am inclined to type and credential. > > > Well I would put those into pre-cfg template instead. > > threat model analysis needed here. historically, tcp-md5 was to stop > the nasty tcp resets of established sessions; authenticity was not the > issue. is that still true? if so, i can trust you to tell me what > hash, or whatever, to use. if not, some external authority, such as > pre-config, is needed. > > randy > --000000000000a2cc6e059e0f457e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

So as proven in working implementat= ions (see Cumulus) bare min you need to automagically operate is a peer'= ;s address. They take it from link local and are done. SAFI is always 1. AF= I depends on the IP as you suggested. eBGP AS is learned from OPEN.=C2=A0

So their basic interface level bgp cfg is this:=C2= =A0=C2=A0

- add bgp autonomous-system 65000
=C2=A0 =C2=A0- add bgp neighbor s= wp51 interface remote-as external
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0- add bgp neighbor swp52 interface remote-as external

Anything else seems topping on the cake.=C2=A0

There is also an interesting case Cumulus did f= or unnumbered loopback peering ... well it is actually IPv4 loopback to lPv= 4 loopback but using IPv6 link local as next hops. Works=C2=A0on p2p breaks= few hops away.=C2=A0

I am not stating that we sho= uld or should not but do we have full agreement that DC case must cover any= other BGP peering except p2p and lo2lo over p2p ? Is there a real requirem= ent to discover your peers few IP hops away ? Even if you discover - how wi= ll you get there ?=C2=A0

As far as md5, A0, XYZ to= validate=C2=A0if you are legitimate peer this really is not an autodiscove= ry part. IMO it should be part of preconfigured template.=C2=A0
<= br>
Thx a lot,
R.


On Sat, Feb 8= , 2020 at 12:31 AM Randy Bush <randy@ps= g.com> wrote:
> Before we dive into bits and pieces is the assumption that auto > discovered stuff is ephemeral and disappears upon reboot or is to stay=
> for a while in the box ?

do we care?=C2=A0 this is discovery, not colonisation :)

> How about marking peers as upstream vs downstream?

or which flavor of routes i am supposed to give them.=C2=A0 maybe which
community sets i should use?=C2=A0 perhaps we should see how simple we
can make this, not how complex?

>>=C2=A0 - signal your ip address (which will tell me v4 or v6) and, = as
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0it is the 21st century, assump MPBGP
> Do you want to try all possible AFI/SAFIs in capabilities ?

doesn't bgp open negotiate this

>> - signal your asn.=C2=A0 if it is the same as mine, it's iBGP = so
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0no need to think about multi-hop etc
> if it is not the same then you guess if this is multihop, disable
> connected-check or p2p ?

don't you know if it is single hop by the peer ip address?

>> - signal how many hops i need to get to your listener
> How would I ever know that apriori ?

if you don't, signal 42 or 255

>> - signal the authentication
> You mean type ?

i am inclined to type and credential.

> Well I would put those into pre-cfg template instead.

threat model analysis needed here.=C2=A0 historically, tcp-md5 was to stop<= br> the nasty tcp resets of established sessions; authenticity was not the
issue.=C2=A0 is that still true?=C2=A0 if so, i can trust you to tell me wh= at
hash, or whatever, to use.=C2=A0 if not, some external authority, such as pre-config, is needed.

randy
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They take it from > link local and are done. SAFI is always 1. AFI depends on the IP as > you suggested. eBGP AS is learned from OPEN. > > So their basic interface level bgp cfg is this: > > - add bgp autonomous-system 65000 > - add bgp neighbor swp51 interface remote-as external > - add bgp neighbor swp52 interface remote-as external > > Anything else seems topping on the cake. > > There is also an interesting case Cumulus did for unnumbered loopback > peering ... well it is actually IPv4 loopback to lPv4 loopback but > using IPv6 link local as next hops. Works on p2p breaks few hops away. being a simple guy, i like simple! > I am not stating that we should or should not but do we have full > agreement that DC case must cover any other BGP peering except p2p and > lo2lo over p2p ? Is there a real requirement to discover your peers > few IP hops away ? how do we socialize this question? maybe we, as the dt, put out a short goals statement on idr and see if it flies? > As far as md5, A0, XYZ to validate if you are legitimate peer this > really is not an autodiscovery part. 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Is there a real requirement to discover your peers > > few IP hops away ? > > how do we socialize this question? maybe we, as the dt, put out a short > goals statement on idr and see if it flies? > It would be interesting to first get a sense how dt feels about it ? We already divided DC from WAN/IXP spaces. For WAN/IXP clearly multihop is a requirement. But IMHO for DC it is not. Anyone has a different opinion and could explain why ? /* I am not sure how do we probe for such questions even within dt :) */ > As far as md5, A0, XYZ to validate if you are legitimate peer this > > really is not an autodiscovery part. IMO it should be part of > > preconfigured template. > > having a bit of infosec blood, i am a bit more concerned. but you are > right, it's tough; either a leap of faith or a bleedin' infrastructure; > see draft-ymbk-lsvr-l3dl-signing. By all means you know much more in this space. My comment was just coming from past experience when we designed auto CE peering to PE via BGP for ATT they just insisted about two features: prefix range check and MD5 pre cfg. --0000000000008334f3059e16b93f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> I am not stating that we should or should not but d= o we have full
> agreement that DC case must cover any other BGP peering except p2p and=
> lo2lo over p2p ? Is there a real requirement to discover your peers > few IP hops away ?

how do we socialize this question?=C2=A0 maybe we, as the dt, put out a sho= rt
goals statement on idr and see if it flies?

=
It would be interesting to first get a sense how=C2=A0dt feels about i= t ?=C2=A0

We already divided DC from WAN/IXP space= s.=C2=A0

For WAN/IXP clearly=C2=A0multihop is a re= quirement. But IMHO for DC it is not. Anyone has a different opinion=C2=A0a= nd could explain why ?=C2=A0

/* I am not sure how = do we probe for such questions even within dt :) */=C2=A0

> As far as md5, A0= , XYZ to validate if you are legitimate peer this
> really is not an autodiscovery part. IMO it should be part of
> preconfigured template.

having a bit of infosec blood, i am a bit more concerned.=C2=A0 but you are=
right, it's tough; either a leap of faith or a bleedin' infrastruct= ure;
see draft-ymbk-lsvr-l3dl-signing.

By all me= ans you know much more in this space. My comment was just coming from past = experience when we designed=C2=A0auto CE peering to PE via BGP for ATT they= just insisted about two features: prefix range check and MD5 pre cfg.=C2= =A0


--0000000000008334f3059e16b93f-- From nobody Mon Feb 10 07:58:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249E3120106 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 05:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ntbiF7cuudpT for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 05:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A33C120103 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 05:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 22EB83DC13E922A541C9 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:57:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:57:07 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 21:56:51 +0800 From: Zhuangshunwan To: Randy Bush , Robert Raszuk CC: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Bgp-autoconf] Discussion about BGP autoconf requirements in DC Thread-Index: AdXdoUXCj6AoAVwuSs2cA3dZ7wwGNAAJJ0AAAAEDRwAAAG/pgABg9Q8Q Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:56:50 +0000 Message-ID: <19AB2A007F56DB4E8257F949A2FB9858E6027272@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6b@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.164.26] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Discussion about BGP autoconf requirements in DC X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:57:16 -0000 > Do you want to try all possible AFI/SAFIs in capabilities ? doesn't bgp open negotiate this [Shunwan] IMO, in the DC space, IPv4 unicast or IPv6 unicast should be nego= tiated by default to establish the connectivity of the Underlay. As for Th= e other address families, can be negotiated if pre-configuration. -----Original Message----- From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rand= y Bush Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 7:32 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Discussion about BGP autoconf requirements in D= C > Before we dive into bits and pieces is the assumption that auto=20 > discovered stuff is ephemeral and disappears upon reboot or is to stay=20 > for a while in the box ? do we care? this is discovery, not colonisation :) > How about marking peers as upstream vs downstream? or which flavor of routes i am supposed to give them. maybe which communit= y sets i should use? perhaps we should see how simple we can make this, no= t how complex? >> - signal your ip address (which will tell me v4 or v6) and, as >> it is the 21st century, assump MPBGP > Do you want to try all possible AFI/SAFIs in capabilities ? doesn't bgp open negotiate this >> - signal your asn. if it is the same as mine, it's iBGP so >> no need to think about multi-hop etc > if it is not the same then you guess if this is multihop, disable=20 > connected-check or p2p ? don't you know if it is single hop by the peer ip address? >> - signal how many hops i need to get to your listener > How would I ever know that apriori ? if you don't, signal 42 or 255 >> - signal the authentication > You mean type ?=20 i am inclined to type and credential. > Well I would put those into pre-cfg template instead. threat model analysis needed here. historically, tcp-md5 was to stop the n= asty tcp resets of established sessions; authenticity was not the issue. i= s that still true? if so, i can trust you to tell me what hash, or whateve= r, to use. if not, some external authority, such as pre-config, is needed. randy -- Bgp-autoconf mailing list Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf From nobody Mon Feb 10 08:10:39 2020 Return-Path: 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Thread-Index: AdXoneGeq7UxQ91YQV2Dhzv5vvtPdw== Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:06:11 +0000 Message-ID: <70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23f@huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.211] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23fhuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:06:19 -0000 --_000_70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23fhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to reach= consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we could revie= w the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements. Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may hel= p us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I'd suggest we arrange a 1-hou= r conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members are locat= ed in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the 9:00 (= UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potential = time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks. https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the me= eting. I'm not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for the desi= gn team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I'd appreciate= if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Jie --_000_70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23fhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

 

The IETF 107 meeting is approac= hing, we need to make more progress to reach consensus on the requirements = (for the DC case first), then we could review the candidate solutions about= how they match the requirements.

 

Based on the current mail list = activity, it seems a conference call may help us to have more efficient dis= cussion. Thus I’d suggest we arrange a 1-hour conference call in next= week. I assume many of our team members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be = the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day.

 

Here is the doodle poll for the= meeting time, I also added other potential time slots, please respond to i= t by end of this weekend, thanks.

 

https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya

 

Once the meeting time is determ= ined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. I’m not sure wheth= er we could use the WGs Webex account for the design team conference call, = will check with the chairs. If not, I’d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance.

 

Best regards,=

Jie

--_000_70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23fhuaweicom_-- From nobody Fri Feb 21 14:08:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D091200C3; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:07:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.348 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2lS6ONMHJROm; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48C8612008A; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:07:56 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.177.57.99; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Dongjie \(Jimmy\)'" , Cc: References: <70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23f@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23f@huawei.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 17:07:46 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01d5e903$5993f4a0$0cbbdde0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01D5E8D9.70C03690" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLkik2WzbGIkvao+B6kyayluAQNeaYI8fRg Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 200221-0, 02/21/2020), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:07:58 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01D5E8D9.70C03690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jie: You can use the webex for IDR. I will set it up for you. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dongjie (Jimmy) Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:06 AM To: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? Dear all, The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to reach consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we could review the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements. Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may help us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I'd suggest we arrange a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potential time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks. https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. I'm not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for the design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I'd appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Jie ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01D5E8D9.70C03690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jie:

 

You can = use the webex for IDR.   I will set it up for you. =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

 

From:= = Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Dongjie (Jimmy)
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:06 = AM
To: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org
Cc: = idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call = in next week to discuss BGP autoconf = requirements?

 

Dear = all,

 

The IETF = 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to reach = consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we could = review the candidate solutions about how they match the = requirements.

 

Based on = the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may help us = to have more efficient discussion. Thus I’d suggest we arrange a = 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members = are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could = be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. =

 

Here is the = doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potential time = slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, = thanks.

 

https://doodle.com/poll= /6de9ei4iuubxs9ya

 

Once the = meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. = I’m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for the = design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, = I’d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in = advance.

 

Best = regards,

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X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:21:17 -0000 --0000000000006919cd059f1d704d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ? Also what can't be discussed over email ? Thx, R. On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: > Dear all, > > > > The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to > reach consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we coul= d > review the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements. > > > > Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may > help us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we ar= range a > 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members ar= e > located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the > 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. > > > > Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potentia= l > time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks. > > > > https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya > > > > Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the > meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account = for the > design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I=E2=80= =99d > appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > -- > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf > --0000000000006919cd059f1d704d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ?=C2=A0

Also what can't be discussed over email ?

Thx,
R.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) = <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrot= e:

Dear all,<= /p>

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The IETF 107 meeting is approac= hing, we need to make more progress to reach consensus on the requirements = (for the DC case first), then we could review the candidate solutions about= how they match the requirements.

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Based on the current mail list = activity, it seems a conference call may help us to have more efficient dis= cussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we arrange a 1-hour conference call in ne= xt week. I assume many of our team members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the = 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day.

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Here is the doodle poll for the= meeting time, I also added other potential time slots, please respond to i= t by end of this weekend, thanks.

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https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuub= xs9ya

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Once the meeting time is determ= ined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whe= ther we could use the WGs Webex account for the design team conference call= , will check with the chairs. If not, I=E2=80=99d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Jie

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Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 22:44:06 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D5E8DE.7CA4B350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: Jie Dong - is the person who handle the email/doodle poll for setting up the time. There is not a time set-up at this time. If you wish to set-up via email, I suggest sending email to Jie Dong. I was simply informing Jie Dong that when you are ready - I will set-up the conference call on the IDR Web. It is now Saturday 6:43am Beijing time. I suggest waiting for 3-4 hours. He will probably answer you sometime this evening. Cheers, Sue From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:08 PM To: 'Dongjie (Jimmy)'; bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? Jie: You can use the webex for IDR. I will set it up for you. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dongjie (Jimmy) Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:06 AM To: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? Dear all, The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to reach consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we could review the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements. Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may help us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I'd suggest we arrange a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potential time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks. https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. I'm not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for the design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I'd appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Jie ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D5E8DE.7CA4B350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = all:

 

Jie = Dong – is the person who handle the email/doodle poll for setting = up the time.  There is not a time set-up at this time. =   If you wish to set-up via email, I suggest sending email to = Jie Dong.  I was simply informing Jie Dong that when you are ready = – I will set-up the conference call on the IDR Web. =

 

It is = now Saturday 6:43am Beijing time. I suggest waiting for 3-4 hours.  = He will probably answer you sometime this evening. =

 

Cheers, =

 

Sue =

 

From:= = Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Friday, February = 21, 2020 5:08 PM
To: 'Dongjie (Jimmy)'; = bgp-autoconf@ietf.org
Cc: = idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference = call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf = requirements?

 

Jie:

 

You can = use the webex for IDR.   I will set it up for you. =

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares =

 

From:= = Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Dongjie (Jimmy)
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:06 = AM
To: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org
Cc: = idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call = in next week to discuss BGP autoconf = requirements?

 

Dear = all,

 

The IETF = 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to reach = consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we could = review the candidate solutions about how they match the = requirements.

 

Based on = the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may help us = to have more efficient discussion. Thus I’d suggest we arrange a = 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members = are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could = be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. =

 

Here is the = doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potential time = slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, = thanks.

 

https://doodle.com/poll= /6de9ei4iuubxs9ya

 

Once the = meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. = I’m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for the = design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, = I’d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in = advance.

 

Best = regards,

Jie

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X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 14:25:03 -0000 --_000_f7659bf76d12496e934b2e4388c88451huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sue, That would be great, thanks a lot. I will let you know the time for the mee= ting once the doodle is closed. Best regards, Jie From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:08 AM To: Dongjie (Jimmy) ; bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP a= utoconf requirements? Jie: You can use the webex for IDR. I will set it up for you. Cheerily, Susan Hares From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dong= jie (Jimmy) Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:06 AM To: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoc= onf requirements? Dear all, The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to reach= consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we could revie= w the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements. Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may hel= p us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I'd suggest we arrange a 1-hou= r conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members are locat= ed in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the 9:00 (= UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potential = time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks. https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the me= eting. I'm not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for the desi= gn team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I'd appreciate= if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Jie --_000_f7659bf76d12496e934b2e4388c88451huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Sue,=

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That wo= uld be great, thanks a lot. I will let you know the time for the meeting on= ce the doodle is closed.

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Best re= gards,

Jie

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From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:08 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>; bgp-autoconf@ietf.o= rg
Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discus= s BGP autoconf requirements?

 

Jie:

 

You can use the webex for IDR.   I will set it up for y= ou.

 

Cheerily, Susan Hares

 

From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dongjie (Jimmy)
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:06 AM
To: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org
Cc: idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BG= P autoconf requirements?

 

Dear all,

 

The IETF 107 meeting is approac= hing, we need to make more progress to reach consensus on the requirements = (for the DC case first), then we could review the candidate solutions about= how they match the requirements.

 

Based on the current mail list = activity, it seems a conference call may help us to have more efficient dis= cussion. Thus I’d suggest we arrange a 1-hour conference call in next= week. I assume many of our team members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be = the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day.

 

Here is the doodle poll for the= meeting time, I also added other potential time slots, please respond to i= t by end of this weekend, thanks.

 

https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya

 

Once the meeting time is determ= ined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. I’m not sure wheth= er we could use the WGs Webex account for the design team conference call, = will check with the chairs. If not, I’d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance.

 

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[73.63.232.212]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gc1sm9643812pjb.20.2020.02.23.12.34.07 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:34:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-091C2A83-03A4-4B98-9CB8-C7EB9C9151FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Tantsura Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:34:07 -0800 Message-Id: <8D380744-495F-4A8A-B986-E0A7FD58622B@gmail.com> References: <3311541C-7731-463B-91F5-7098731045CC@cisco.com> Cc: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" , Robert Raszuk , "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <3311541C-7731-463B-91F5-7098731045CC@cisco.com> To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17D50) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 20:34:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail-091C2A83-03A4-4B98-9CB8-C7EB9C9151FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acee, 6pm PST is 9pm EST, how did you get 1am? Regards, Jeff > On Feb 23, 2020, at 08:38, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > That is 1 AM for Sue and I, not sure if I will attend. Please record. > Thanks, > Acee > =20 > From: Bgp-autoconf on behalf of Jie Dong <= jie.dong@huawei.com> > Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:17 AM > To: Robert Raszuk > Cc: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org"= > Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP a= utoconf requirements? > =20 > Hi Robert, > =20 > Sorry I thought you were also in N.A. While the doodle includes the mornin= g time in Europe, the current survey shows most people chose the time slots w= hich may not be convenient for European participants. > =20 > According to the survey result, for the upcoming conference call we will c= hoose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). For fut= ure meetings we could have another doodle poll if necessary. > =20 > Sue, please help to set up the conference call, many thanks. > =20 > Best regards, > Jie > =20 > From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]=20 > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM > To: Dongjie (Jimmy) > Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP a= utoconf requirements? > =20 > Europe > =20 > Thx, > R. > =20 > =20 > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) wrot= e: > Hi Robert, > =20 > Thanks for your reply. > =20 > 8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day). I was try= ing to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. participants. May I kn= ow which time zone are you in? > =20 > The conference call proposal is just to speed up the design team discussio= n and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, everything could sti= ll be discussed on the mail list. Thanks. > =20 > Best regards, > Jie > =20 > From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]=20 > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM > To: Dongjie (Jimmy) > Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP a= utoconf requirements? > =20 > May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ?=20 > =20 > Also what can't be discussed over email ? > =20 > Thx, > R. > =20 > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) wro= te: > Dear all, > =20 > The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to reac= h consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we could revie= w the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements. > =20 > Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may he= lp us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we arrange= a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members ar= e located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the 9= :00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. > =20 > Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potential= time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks. > =20 > https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya > =20 > Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the m= eeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for t= he design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I=E2=80=99= d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance. > =20 > Best regards, > Jie > --=20 > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf > --=20 > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf --Apple-Mail-091C2A83-03A4-4B98-9CB8-C7EB9C9151FD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acee,

6pm PST is 9pm EST= , how did you get 1am?

Regards,
Jeff
=

On Feb 23, 2020, at 08:38, Ac= ee Lindem (acee) <acee=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

That is 1 AM for Sue and I, not sure if I will attend= . Please record.

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Bgp-autoconf <bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.o= rg> on behalf of Jie Dong <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:17 AM
To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Cc: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" <bgp-autoconf@ietf.org>, "idr-chair= s@ietf.org" <idr-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss= BGP autoconf requirements?

 

Hi Robert,

 

Sorry I thou= ght you were also in N.A. While the doodle includes the morning time in Euro= pe, the current survey shows most people chose the time slots which may not be convenient for European participants.

 

According to= the survey result, for the upcoming conference call we will choose February= 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). For future meetings we could have another doodle poll if necessary= .

 

Sue, please h= elp to set up the conference call, many thanks.

 

Best regards= ,

Jie

 

From: Robert= Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.do= ng@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss= BGP autoconf requirements?

 

Europe

 

Thx,
R.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:= 23 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@hu= awei.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day)= .  I was trying to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. parti= cipants. May I know which time zone are you in?

 

The conference call proposal is just to speed up the design te= am discussion and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, everythi= ng could still be discussed on the mail list. Thanks.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@iet= f.org
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss= BGP autoconf requirements?

 

May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ? 

 

Also what can't be discussed over email ?

 

Thx,

R.

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Dear all,

 

The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to reach c= onsensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we could review t= he candidate solutions about how they match the requirements.

=

 

Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may help= us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we arrange a= 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members are l= ocated in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) i= n the previous day.

 

Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potential t= ime slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks.

 

https= ://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya

 

Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the mee= ting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for th= e design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I=E2=80=99= d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance.

 

Best regards,

Jie

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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01D5EA68.6ABC4780" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLkik2WzbGIkvao+B6kyayluAQNeQHlLnmXAX7nOuEBeHEf6AJ2SR0GAYLkE6KlxWGv4A== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 200222-0, 02/22/2020), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:44:03 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01D5EA68.6ABC4780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings all: =20 I think I=E2=80=99ve schedule a conference call for bgp-autconf at = 9:00pm EDT on 2/24/2020 which should align with Jie Dong=E2=80=99s = meeting.=20 =20 What I get is the IDR working group webex =20 https://ietf.webex.com/meet/idr - =20 I will be online starting the meeting at 8:50pm EDT, and I=E2=80=99ll be = a silent partner to make sure this works correctly.=20 =20 In the future Jie Dong (WG secretary) will be able to schedule meetings. = =20 =20 Acee =E2=80=93 if you have more experience with the web-ex, can you send = me email offline.=20 =20 Sue Hares=20 =20 =20 =20 From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:38 AM To: Dongjie (Jimmy); Robert Raszuk Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 That is 1 AM for Sue and I, not sure if I will attend. Please record.=20 Thanks, Acee =20 From: Bgp-autoconf on behalf of Jie Dong = Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:17 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" , = "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 Hi Robert,=20 =20 Sorry I thought you were also in N.A. While the doodle includes the = morning time in Europe, the current survey shows most people chose the = time slots which may not be convenient for European participants.=20 =20 According to the survey result, for the upcoming conference call we will = choose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). = For future meetings we could have another doodle poll if necessary. =20 Sue, please help to set up the conference call, many thanks.=20 =20 Best regards, Jie =20 From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM To: Dongjie (Jimmy) Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 Europe =20 Thx, R. =20 =20 On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) = wrote: Hi Robert,=20 =20 Thanks for your reply.=20 =20 8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day). I was = trying to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. participants. = May I know which time zone are you in? =20 The conference call proposal is just to speed up the design team = discussion and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, = everything could still be discussed on the mail list. Thanks. =20 Best regards, Jie =20 From: Robert Raszuk [mailto: = robert@raszuk.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM To: Dongjie (Jimmy) < jie.dong@huawei.com> Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; = idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ?=20 =20 Also what can't be discussed over email ? =20 Thx, R. =20 On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) = wrote: Dear all, =20 The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to = reach consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we = could review the candidate solutions about how they match the = requirements. =20 Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may = help us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we = arrange a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team = members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time = could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day.=20 =20 Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other = potential time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, = thanks. =20 https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya =20 Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the = meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account = for the design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, = I=E2=80=99d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in = advance. =20 Best regards, Jie --=20 Bgp-autoconf mailing list Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01D5EA68.6ABC4780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings all:

 

I think I=E2=80=99ve schedule a conference call for bgp-autconf at = 9:00pm EDT on 2/24/2020 which should align with Jie Dong=E2=80=99s = meeting.

 

What I get is the IDR working group webex

 

https://ietf.webex.com/meet/idr<= /a>=C2=A0 -

 

I will be online starting the meeting at 8:50pm EDT, and I=E2=80=99ll = be a silent partner to make sure this works correctly. =

 

In the future Jie Dong (WG secretary) will be able to schedule = meetings.=C2=A0

 

Acee =E2=80=93 if you have more experience with the web-ex, can you = send me email offline.

 

Sue Hares

 

 

 

 

That is 1 = AM for Sue and I, not sure if I will attend. Please record. =

Thanks,

Acee

 =

Hi Robert,

 

Sorry I thought you were also in N.A. While the doodle includes the = morning time in Europe, the current survey shows most people chose the = time slots which may not be convenient for European participants. =

 

According to the survey result, for the upcoming conference call we = will choose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which is February 25 10:00 = (UTC+8). For future meetings we could have another doodle poll if = necessary.

 

Sue, please help to set up the conference call, many thanks. =

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: Robert = Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net] =
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM
To: Dongjie = (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Sub= ject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements?

 

Europe

 

Thx,
R.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at = 3:23 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> = wrote:

Hi Robert,

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day).  = I was trying to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. = participants. May I know which time zone are you = in?

 

The conference call proposal is just to speed up the design team = discussion and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, = everything could still be discussed on the mail list. = Thanks.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: Robert = Raszuk [mailto:robert@rasz= uk.net] =
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM
To: = Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@hu= awei.com>
= Cc: bgp-autocon= f@ietf.org; = idr-chairs@= ietf.org
Subj= ect: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements?

 

May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ? 

 

Also what can't be discussed over email = ?

 

Thx,

R.

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> = wrote:

Dear all,

 

The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress = to reach consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we = could review the candidate solutions about how they match the = requirements.

 

Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call = may help us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest = we arrange a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our = team members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting = time could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous = day.

 

Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other = potential time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, = thanks.

 

https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya=

 

Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to = setup the meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs = Webex account for the design team conference call, will check with the = chairs. If not, I=E2=80=99d appreciate if someone could help with this. = Thanks in advance.

 

Best regards,

Jie

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([2607:fb90:8432:cff6:7403:351e:eb41:e035]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i11sm10024234pjg.0.2020.02.23.14.11.03 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Feb 2020 14:11:04 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-EB9B2351-B838-41A4-A7F0-D4C4111392AB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Tantsura Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 14:11:00 -0800 Message-Id: <8D7B251E-9D3A-45CF-824A-A4419021BB15@gmail.com> References: <000301d5ea92$538f9060$faaeb120$@ndzh.com> Cc: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "Dongjie (Jimmy)" , Robert Raszuk , bgp-autoconf@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <000301d5ea92$538f9060$faaeb120$@ndzh.com> To: Susan Hares X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17D50) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 22:11:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail-EB9B2351-B838-41A4-A7F0-D4C4111392AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sue,=20 Please send out a meeting invite, so noone gets confused about their respect= ive timezones. Regards, Jeff > On Feb 23, 2020, at 13:44, Susan Hares wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Greetings all: > =20 > I think I=E2=80=99ve schedule a conference call for bgp-autconf at 9:00pm E= DT on 2/24/2020 which should align with Jie Dong=E2=80=99s meeting. > =20 > What I get is the IDR working group webex > =20 > https://ietf.webex.com/meet/idr - > =20 > I will be online starting the meeting at 8:50pm EDT, and I=E2=80=99ll be a= silent partner to make sure this works correctly. > =20 > In the future Jie Dong (WG secretary) will be able to schedule meetings.=20= > =20 > Acee =E2=80=93 if you have more experience with the web-ex, can you send m= e email offline. > =20 > Sue Hares > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ace= e Lindem (acee) > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:38 AM > To: Dongjie (Jimmy); Robert Raszuk > Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP a= utoconf requirements? > =20 > That is 1 AM for Sue and I, not sure if I will attend. Please record. > Thanks, > Acee > =20 > From: Bgp-autoconf on behalf of Jie Dong <= jie.dong@huawei.com> > Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:17 AM > To: Robert Raszuk > Cc: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org"= > Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP a= utoconf requirements? > =20 > Hi Robert, > =20 > Sorry I thought you were also in N.A. While the doodle includes the mornin= g time in Europe, the current survey shows most people chose the time slots w= hich may not be convenient for European participants. > =20 > According to the survey result, for the upcoming conference call we will c= hoose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). For fut= ure meetings we could have another doodle poll if necessary. > =20 > Sue, please help to set up the conference call, many thanks. > =20 > Best regards, > Jie > =20 > From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]=20 > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM > To: Dongjie (Jimmy) > Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP a= utoconf requirements? > =20 > Europe > =20 > Thx, > R. > =20 > =20 > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) wrot= e: > Hi Robert, > =20 > Thanks for your reply. > =20 > 8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day). I was try= ing to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. participants. May I kn= ow which time zone are you in? > =20 > The conference call proposal is just to speed up the design team discussio= n and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, everything could sti= ll be discussed on the mail list. Thanks. > =20 > Best regards, > Jie > =20 > From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]=20 > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM > To: Dongjie (Jimmy) > Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP a= utoconf requirements? > =20 > May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ?=20 > =20 > Also what can't be discussed over email ? > =20 > Thx, > R. > =20 > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) wro= te: > Dear all, > =20 > The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to reac= h consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we could revie= w the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements. > =20 > Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may he= lp us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we arrange= a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members ar= e located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the 9= :00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. > =20 > Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potential= time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks. > =20 > https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya > =20 > Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the m= eeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for t= he design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I=E2=80=99= d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance. > =20 > Best regards, > Jie > --=20 > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf > --=20 > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf --Apple-Mail-EB9B2351-B838-41A4-A7F0-D4C4111392AB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sue, 

Please send o= ut a meeting invite, so noone gets confused about their respective timezones= .

Regards,
Jeff

=
On Feb 23, 2020, at 13:44, Susan Hares <shares@= ndzh.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Greetings all:

 

I think I=E2=80=99ve schedule a= conference call for bgp-autconf at 9:00pm EDT on 2/24/2020 which should ali= gn with Jie Dong=E2=80=99s meeting.

 

What I get is the IDR working group webex

&nb= sp;

https://ietf.webex.com/meet/idr&nbs= p; -

<= o:p> 

= I will be online starting the meeting at 8:50pm EDT, and I=E2=80=99ll be a s= ilent partner to make sure this works correctly.

 

In the future Jie Dong (WG secr= etary) will be able to schedule meetings. 

 

Acee =E2=80=93 if you have more e= xperience with the web-ex, can you send me email offline. =

 

Sue Hares <= /span>

 =

 

 

From:<= /b> Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Beh= alf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:3= 8 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy); Robert Raszuk
Cc: bgp-autoconf= @ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A confe= rence call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements?

 

That is 1 AM for Sue and I, not sure if I will attend.= Please record.

Tha= nks,

Acee=

 

From: Bgp-autoconf <bgp= -autoconf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Jie Dong <jie.dong@huawei.com= >
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:17 AM
To: Robe= rt Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Cc: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" &l= t;bgp-autoconf@ietf.org>, "idr-chairs@ietf.org" <idr-chairs@ietf.org&g= t;
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to d= iscuss BGP autoconf requirements?

 

Hi Robert,

 =

Sorry I thought you were also in N.A. While the doodle includ= es the morning time in Europe, the current survey shows most people chose th= e time slots which may not be convenient for European participants. <= o:p>

 

According to the survey result, for t= he upcoming conference call we will choose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which i= s February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). For future meetings we could have another doodl= e poll if necessary.

 

Sue, p= lease help to set up the conference call, many thanks.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: R= obert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net<= /a>]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM
To: Dongji= e (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com= >
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to= discuss BGP autoconf requirements?

 

Europe

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.5in">Thx,
R.

 =

 

On Sa= t, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

 = ;

Th= anks for your reply.

 

8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing time (the next= day).  I was trying to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. p= articipants. May I know which time zone are you in?

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt= :auto;margin-left:.5in">The conference call propos= al is just to speed up the design team discussion and hope to hear more opin= ions from the team members, everything could still be discussed on the mail l= ist. Thanks.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: Robert Raszuk [mai= lto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Saturday, Febru= ary 22, 2020 6:21 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; = idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re= : [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requ= irements?

 

May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST ins= tead ? 

 

Also what can't be discussed over emai= l ?

 

<= /div>

Thx,

R.

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:0= 6 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Dear all,

 

The IETF 107 meeting is a= pproaching, we need to make more progress to reach consensus on the requirem= ents (for the DC case first), then we could review the candidate solutions a= bout how they match the requirements.

 

Based on the current mail lis= t activity, it seems a conference call may help us to have more efficient di= scussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we arrange a 1-hour conference call in ne= xt week. I assume many of our team members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8= ), thus a possible meeting time could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (U= TC-8) in the previous day.

 

Here is the doodle poll for the meeting= time, I also added other potential time slots, please respond to it by end o= f this weekend, thanks.

 

https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya

 

Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup t= he meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account f= or the design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I=E2= =80=99d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance.<= /o:p>

 

Best regards,

Jie

<= /div>

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X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 22:18:36 -0000 --000000000000992e24059f45a2dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So who exactly from those who proposed a documents in this space and is part of the DT based in Asia ? On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 3:17 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote= : > Hi Robert, > > > > Sorry I thought you were also in N.A. While the doodle includes the > morning time in Europe, the current survey shows most people chose the ti= me > slots which may not be convenient for European participants. > > > > According to the survey result, for the upcoming conference call we will > choose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). For > future meetings we could have another doodle poll if necessary. > > > > Sue, please help to set up the conference call, many thanks. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net ] > *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM > *To:* Dongjie (Jimmy) > *Subject:* Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss > BGP autoconf requirements? > > > > Europe > > > > Thx, > R. > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) > wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > 8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day). I was > trying to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. participants. Ma= y > I know which time zone are you in? > > > > The conference call proposal is just to speed up the design team > discussion and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, everythi= ng > could still be discussed on the mail list. Thanks. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net] > *Sent:* Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM > *To:* Dongjie (Jimmy) > *Cc:* bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss > BGP autoconf requirements? > > > > May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ? > > > > Also what can't be discussed over email ? > > > > Thx, > > R. > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) > wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to > reach consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we coul= d > review the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements. > > > > Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may > help us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we ar= range a > 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members ar= e > located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the > 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. > > > > Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potentia= l > time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks. > > > > https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya > > > > Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the > meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account = for the > design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I=E2=80= =99d > appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > -- > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf > > --000000000000992e24059f45a2dd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So who exactly from those who proposed a do= cuments in this space and is part of the DT based in Asia ?=C2=A0

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On Sun, Fe= b 23, 2020 at 3:17 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

=C2=A0=

Sorry I thought you were al= so in N.A. While the doodle includes the morning time in Europe, the curren= t survey shows most people chose the time slots which may not be convenient for European participants.

=C2=A0=

According to the survey res= ult, for the upcoming conference call we will choose February 24 18:00 (UTC= -8), which is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). For future meetings we could have another doodle poll if necessary.<= /u>

=C2=A0=

Sue, please help to set up = the conference call, many thanks.

=C2=A0=

Best regards,=

Jie

=C2=A0=

From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discus= s BGP autoconf requirements?

=C2=A0

Europe

=C2=A0

Thx,
R.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM= Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

=C2=A0

Thanks for your reply.

=C2=A0

8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:= 00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day).=C2=A0 I was trying to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. participants. May I know which t= ime zone are you in?

=C2=A0

The conference call proposa= l is just to speed up the design team discussion and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, everything could still be discus= sed on the mail list. Thanks.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Jie

=C2=A0

From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; i= dr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discus= s BGP autoconf requirements?

=C2=A0

May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST i= nstead ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Also what can't be discusse= d over email ?

=C2=A0

Thx,

R.

=C2=A0

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 A= M Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Dear all,<= /p>

=C2=A0

The IETF 107 meeting is approac= hing, we need to make more progress to reach consensus on the requirements = (for the DC case first), then we could review the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements.

=C2=A0

Based on the current mail list = activity, it seems a conference call may help us to have more efficient dis= cussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we arrange a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our tea= m members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time = could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day.

=C2=A0

Here is the doodle poll for the= meeting time, I also added other potential time slots, please respond to i= t by end of this weekend, thanks.

=C2=A0

https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuub= xs9ya

=C2=A0

Once the meeting time is determ= ined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account for the design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I= =E2=80=99d appreciate if someone could help wit= h this. Thanks in advance.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Jie

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X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:22:58 -0000 --00000000000001c0b5059f4fc1aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still do not understand why any interactive conf call across three time zones is needed to discuss requirements at this time. Conf calls are old fashioned - at least at this very stage this DT is at. IMHO it could be much more productive to use google docs interactively across DT members to accomplish solid progress. Moreover use of such tool like interactive document gives time to think about each requirement and note/document comments to it. Not to mention ability to co-edit it. Only then in the event of some unresolved lock-downs there could be a call. But if you want to have a call - have it. As usual note taker will announce the outcome and claim mission accomplished. Cool ! r. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:08 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: > Hi Robert, > > > > Xiaohu is the coauthor of 2 related solution drafts. > > > > Anyway, we will record the meeting and share the minutes to the list. > Thanks for your consideration. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net] > *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 6:18 AM > *To:* Dongjie (Jimmy) > *Cc:* bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss > BGP autoconf requirements? > > > > > > So who exactly from those who proposed a documents in this space and is > part of the DT based in Asia ? > > > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 3:17 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) > wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > > > Sorry I thought you were also in N.A. While the doodle includes the > morning time in Europe, the current survey shows most people chose the ti= me > slots which may not be convenient for European participants. > > > > According to the survey result, for the upcoming conference call we will > choose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). For > future meetings we could have another doodle poll if necessary. > > > > Sue, please help to set up the conference call, many thanks. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net ] > *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM > *To:* Dongjie (Jimmy) > *Subject:* Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss > BGP autoconf requirements? > > > > Europe > > > > Thx, > R. > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) > wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > 8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day). I was > trying to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. participants. Ma= y > I know which time zone are you in? > > > > The conference call proposal is just to speed up the design team > discussion and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, everythi= ng > could still be discussed on the mail list. Thanks. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > > > *From:* Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net] > *Sent:* Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM > *To:* Dongjie (Jimmy) > *Cc:* bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss > BGP autoconf requirements? > > > > May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ? > > > > Also what can't be discussed over email ? > > > > Thx, > > R. > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) > wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to > reach consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we coul= d > review the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements. > > > > Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may > help us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we ar= range a > 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members ar= e > located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the > 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day. > > > > Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other potentia= l > time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks. > > > > https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya > > > > Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the > meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account = for the > design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I=E2=80= =99d > appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > Jie > > -- > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf > > --00000000000001c0b5059f4fc1aa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I still do not understand why any interacti= ve conf call across three time zones is needed to discuss requirements at t= his time.=C2=A0

Conf calls are old fashioned - at least = at this very stage this DT is at.=C2=A0

IMHO it co= uld be much more productive to use google docs interactively across DT memb= ers to accomplish solid progress. Moreover use of such tool like interactiv= e document gives time to think about each requirement and note/document com= ments to it. Not to mention ability to co-edit it. Only then in the event o= f some unresolved lock-downs there could be a call.=C2=A0

But if you want to have a call - have it. As usual note taker will = announce the outcome and claim mission accomplished. Cool !=C2=A0

r.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:08 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) &l= t;jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:=

Hi Robert,

=C2=A0=

Xiaohu is the coauthor of 2= related solution drafts.

=C2=A0=

Anyway, we will record the = meeting and share the minutes to the list. Thanks for your consideration.

=C2=A0=

Best regards,=

Jie

=C2=A0=

From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 6:18 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Cc: bgp-a= utoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discus= s BGP autoconf requirements?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

So who exactly from those who p= roposed a documents in this space and is part of the DT based in Asia ?=C2= =A0

=C2=A0

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 3:17 PM= Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

=C2=A0

Sorry I thought you were al= so in N.A. While the doodle includes the morning time in Europe, the current survey shows most people chose the time slots which may not be= convenient for European participants.

=C2=A0

According to the survey res= ult, for the upcoming conference call we will choose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). For future meetings = we could have another doodle poll if necessary.=

=C2=A0

Sue, please help to set up = the conference call, many thanks.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Jie

=C2=A0

From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robe= rt@raszuk.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discus= s BGP autoconf requirements?

=C2=A0

Europe

=C2=A0

Thx,
R.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM= Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

=C2=A0

Thanks for your reply.

=C2=A0

8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:= 00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day).=C2=A0 I was trying to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. participants. May I know which t= ime zone are you in?

=C2=A0

The conference call proposa= l is just to speed up the design team discussion and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, everything could still be discus= sed on the mail list. Thanks.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Jie

=C2=A0

From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; i= dr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discus= s BGP autoconf requirements?

=C2=A0

May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST i= nstead ?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Also what can't be discusse= d over email ?

=C2=A0

Thx,

R.

=C2=A0

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 A= M Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Dear all,<= /p>

=C2=A0

The IETF 107 meeting is approac= hing, we need to make more progress to reach consensus on the requirements = (for the DC case first), then we could review the candidate solutions about how they match the requirements.

=C2=A0

Based on the current mail list = activity, it seems a conference call may help us to have more efficient dis= cussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we arrange a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team members are located in (UTC+8= ) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), whic= h is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day.

=C2=A0

Here is the doodle poll for the= meeting time, I also added other potential time slots, please respond to i= t by end of this weekend, thanks.

=C2=A0

https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuub= xs9ya

=C2=A0

Once the meeting time is determ= ined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whe= ther we could use the WGs Webex account for the design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, I=E2=80=99d appreciat= e if someone could help with this. Thanks in advance.<= /p>

=C2=A0

Best regards,

Jie

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(50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AE433A1084; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:18:06 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.177.57.99; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Dongjie \(Jimmy\)'" , "'Acee Lindem \(acee\)'" , "'Robert Raszuk'" Cc: , References: <70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23f@huawei.com> <3311541C-7731-463B-91F5-7098731045CC@cisco.com> <000301d5ea92$538f9060$faaeb120$@ndzh.com> <47920a6f9db548dca9f6f7b29fc6e368@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <47920a6f9db548dca9f6f7b29fc6e368@huawei.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:17:41 -0500 Message-ID: <007e01d5eb3e$b4385cb0$1ca91610$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01D5EB14.CB670FA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLkik2WzbGIkvao+B6kyayluAQNeQHlLnmXAX7nOuEBeHEf6AJ2SR0GAYLkE6IByZSFxQMXa2N1pZ+y6AA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 200223-0, 02/23/2020), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 18:18:09 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01D5EB14.CB670FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m not sure how to make the new interface send out the message. = That=E2=80=99s why I sent out the Help request.=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: Dongjie (Jimmy) [mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 10:22 AM To: Susan Hares; 'Acee Lindem (acee)'; 'Robert Raszuk' Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 Hi Sue,=20 =20 Thanks a lot for your help. Could you please send the meeting invitation = to the design team? Also it would be helpful if we could record the = meeting.=20 =20 Many thanks, Jie =20 From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]=20 Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:44 AM To: 'Acee Lindem (acee)' ; Dongjie = (Jimmy) ; 'Robert Raszuk' Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 Greetings all: =20 I think I=E2=80=99ve schedule a conference call for bgp-autconf at = 9:00pm EDT on 2/24/2020 which should align with Jie Dong=E2=80=99s = meeting.=20 =20 What I get is the IDR working group webex =20 https://ietf.webex.com/meet/idr - =20 I will be online starting the meeting at 8:50pm EDT, and I=E2=80=99ll be = a silent partner to make sure this works correctly.=20 =20 In the future Jie Dong (WG secretary) will be able to schedule meetings. = =20 =20 Acee =E2=80=93 if you have more experience with the web-ex, can you send = me email offline.=20 =20 Sue Hares=20 =20 =20 =20 From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:38 AM To: Dongjie (Jimmy); Robert Raszuk Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 That is 1 AM for Sue and I, not sure if I will attend. Please record.=20 Thanks, Acee =20 From: Bgp-autoconf on behalf of Jie Dong = Date: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:17 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" , = "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 Hi Robert,=20 =20 Sorry I thought you were also in N.A. While the doodle includes the = morning time in Europe, the current survey shows most people chose the = time slots which may not be convenient for European participants.=20 =20 According to the survey result, for the upcoming conference call we will = choose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). = For future meetings we could have another doodle poll if necessary. =20 Sue, please help to set up the conference call, many thanks.=20 =20 Best regards, Jie =20 From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM To: Dongjie (Jimmy) Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 Europe =20 Thx, R. =20 =20 On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM Dongjie (Jimmy) = wrote: Hi Robert,=20 =20 Thanks for your reply.=20 =20 8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing time (the next day). I was = trying to make the time acceptable to both Asia and N.A. participants. = May I know which time zone are you in? =20 The conference call proposal is just to speed up the design team = discussion and hope to hear more opinions from the team members, = everything could still be discussed on the mail list. Thanks. =20 Best regards, Jie =20 From: Robert Raszuk [mailto: = robert@raszuk.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 AM To: Dongjie (Jimmy) < jie.dong@huawei.com> Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; = idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements? =20 May we have it 8:00-15:00 PST instead ?=20 =20 Also what can't be discussed over email ? =20 Thx, R. =20 On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) = wrote: Dear all, =20 The IETF 107 meeting is approaching, we need to make more progress to = reach consensus on the requirements (for the DC case first), then we = could review the candidate solutions about how they match the = requirements. =20 Based on the current mail list activity, it seems a conference call may = help us to have more efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest we = arrange a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our team = members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting time = could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous day.=20 =20 Here is the doodle poll for the meeting time, I also added other = potential time slots, please respond to it by end of this weekend, = thanks. =20 https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya =20 Once the meeting time is determined, we also need some help to setup the = meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs Webex account = for the design team conference call, will check with the chairs. If not, = I=E2=80=99d appreciate if someone could help with this. Thanks in = advance. =20 Best regards, Jie --=20 Bgp-autoconf mailing list Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01D5EB14.CB670FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99m not sure how to make the new interface send out the = message.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0That=E2=80=99s why I sent out the Help = request.

 

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From:= = Dongjie (Jimmy) [mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com]
Sent: Monday, = February 24, 2020 10:22 AM
To: Susan Hares; 'Acee Lindem = (acee)'; 'Robert Raszuk'
Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; = idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference = call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf = requirements?

 

Hi Sue,

 

Thanks a lot for your help. Could you = please send the meeting invitation to the design team? Also it would be = helpful if we could record the meeting.

 

Many thanks,

Jie

 

From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: = Monday, February 24, 2020 5:44 AM
To: 'Acee Lindem (acee)' = <acee=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Dongjie (Jimmy) = <jie.dong@huawei.com>; 'Robert Raszuk' = <robert@raszuk.net>
Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; = idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference = call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf = requirements?

 

Greetings all:

 

I think I=E2=80=99ve schedule a conference = call for bgp-autconf at 9:00pm EDT on 2/24/2020 which should align with = Jie Dong=E2=80=99s meeting.

 

What I get is the IDR working group = webex

 

https://ietf.webex.com/meet/idr<= /a>  -

 

I will be online starting the meeting at = 8:50pm EDT, and I=E2=80=99ll be a silent partner to make sure this works = correctly.

 

In the future Jie Dong (WG secretary) will = be able to schedule meetings. 

 

Acee =E2=80=93 if you have more experience = with the web-ex, can you send me email offline.

 

Sue Hares

 

 

 

From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces= @ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee)
Sent: = Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:38 AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy); Robert = Raszuk
Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject= : Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP = autoconf requirements?

 

That is 1 AM for Sue and I, not sure if I will attend. = Please record.

Thanks,

Acee

 

From: Bgp-autoconf <bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.o= rg> on behalf of Jie Dong <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Dat= e: Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 9:17 AM
To: Robert Raszuk = <robert@raszuk.net>
Cc: = "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" = <bgp-autoconf@ietf.org>, = "idr-chairs@ietf.org" <idr-chairs@ietf.org>
Sub= ject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements?

 

Hi Robert,

 

Sorry I thought you were also in N.A. = While the doodle includes the morning time in Europe, the current survey = shows most people chose the time slots which may not be convenient for = European participants.

 

According to the survey result, for the = upcoming conference call we will choose February 24 18:00 (UTC-8), which = is February 25 10:00 (UTC+8). For future meetings we could have another = doodle poll if necessary.

 

Sue, please help to set up the conference = call, many thanks.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net] =
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:15 AM
To: Dongjie = (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com>
Sub= ject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss = BGP autoconf requirements?

 

Europe

 

Thx,
R.

 

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 3:23 PM = Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> = wrote:

Hi Robert,

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

8:00-15:00 PST would be 24:00-7:00 Beijing = time (the next day).  I was trying to make the time acceptable to = both Asia and N.A. participants. May I know which time zone are you = in?

 

The conference call proposal is just to = speed up the design team discussion and hope to hear more opinions from = the team members, everything could still be discussed on the mail list. = Thanks.

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@rasz= uk.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:21 = AM
To: Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@hu= awei.com>
Cc: bgp-autocon= f@ietf.org; idr-chairs@= ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call = in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements?

 

May we have it = 8:00-15:00 PST instead ? 

 

Also what can't be = discussed over email ?

 

Thx,

R.

=

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at = 11:06 AM Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> = wrote:

Dear = all,

 

The IETF 107 meeting is = approaching, we need to make more progress to reach consensus on the = requirements (for the DC case first), then we could review the candidate = solutions about how they match the requirements.

 

Based on the current = mail list activity, it seems a conference call may help us to have more = efficient discussion. Thus I=E2=80=99d suggest = we arrange a 1-hour conference call in next week. I assume many of our = team members are located in (UTC+8) and (UTC-8), thus a possible meeting = time could be the 9:00 (UTC+8), which is 17:00 (UTC-8) in the previous = day.

 

Here is the doodle poll = for the meeting time, I also added other potential time slots, please = respond to it by end of this weekend, thanks.

 

https://doodle.com/poll/6de9ei4iuubxs9ya=

 

Once the meeting time is = determined, we also need some help to setup the meeting. I=E2=80=99m not sure whether we could use the WGs = Webex account for the design team conference call, will check with the = chairs. If not, I=E2=80=99d appreciate if = someone could help with this. Thanks in advance.

 

Best = regards,

Jie

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X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:43:06 -0000 > So who exactly from those who proposed a documents in this space and is > part of the DT based in Asia ? i bounce back and forth, was in tokyo last week, californica this i do congratulate the group on the longest thread i have seen in a long time discussing a con call. and i have at least three con calls a week with particupants in emea, noam, and asia (and sometimes points south). there are generally two slots which work UTC 22:00 CET 23:00 JST 07:00+1 EST 17:00 PST 14:00 and UTC 14:00 CET 15:00 JST 23:00 EST 09:00 PST 06:00 yes, someone has to suffer. the world is round; get over it. randy From nobody Mon Feb 24 12:02:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DD73A1279 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:01:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=raszuk.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id trS0QSi0BFj1 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot1-x334.google.com (mail-ot1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B40F3A1257 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-x334.google.com with SMTP id g64so9850717otb.13 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:01:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=raszuk.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=64xIVdSCGI/avLrI+PnsoRvCFrAPBQXBRHue5gMPUcI=; b=XdarxcG+snYKjdoDBU2PVBPa992IW3zfpZ1QdUZnatpGxT1rT5d1ma1GbhhZxycYPV XhxLMB5fBy6y2YyPuYc3a87rG3viQlxMzHLnzsjf8Wy00HWeSaijXxP8S9qQ+VT7387Q m5BSCnQcVl5MJHzD1vs+Mrev7GNICRIfllA1pTYSelrUix6WvVjbyB0+OWPgqsisFu2X E6d8hC2FRqwiwJLrtHT/cKSe5GAv1GbhWSn9XrwxQhqBwsaOV7aNDbRbcGLSh8pQ2DLn B3a6WGoWS5I1U0jWmNM91JmfpymId6Yv/Ha54tQ3EONngoyWp4Oi8YBI/gNeBrrInswU IiMA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=64xIVdSCGI/avLrI+PnsoRvCFrAPBQXBRHue5gMPUcI=; b=aBaJx8H13bTh5wct4oNvEOaZvTqgYz1UI0qBE6rrIdTqSvyDipOU+jv/RL0SoQihe4 sll/s/hugl/AOdCMank5XoAsrsjgod4l8KAuFePzqkgQBiVjQuQIdGm4ZfrvVyAGAEXw y/NURearZtP4hEhUruVhIgw9oRfA5RHM0yQS1owc7XeZ2w9yAq5MSZqo0ePqfUYSfZDC I3VEwW2NjQ5EEiRXM69EDOs5fb7yy4lgxKF961SZduJsyh5rXWzw5CxnltiUHGpB1yPm 3x3uYbsiXyZEMERHV9G9UXTCgDGDDXKySwC7duQuEaOI0A7R0irqlMftDqKeehfTDDCv VPVA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX3QMlJZVW0hD2/ffbJoBfLpfHTZ9arpxyxrzLnxwNpXFQFQ/Qw PujJgni60pIpfCxM5ukIIwtOP91WHjGs0PzrstJxSwSH X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqznCCR4yLFfEWtRmn/3dFlijQyy9qw0AK5BIc0RLikA/w73E/wRjQvJXBB/v5UEt0ydo6JJNwnz/5jD1JLO9Sw= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7083:: with SMTP id l3mr39543058otj.193.1582574515242; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:01:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23f@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: From: Robert Raszuk Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 21:01:43 +0100 Message-ID: To: Randy Bush Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cfdc70059f57d72e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:02:03 -0000 --000000000000cfdc70059f57d72e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" All times you provides are just perfect ! Thx Randy. PS. I still think we should prepare a bit better for such call in terms of previously prepared interactive document. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 8:43 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > So who exactly from those who proposed a documents in this space and is > > part of the DT based in Asia ? > > i bounce back and forth, was in tokyo last week, californica this > > i do congratulate the group on the longest thread i have seen in a long > time discussing a con call. and i have at least three con calls a week > with particupants in emea, noam, and asia (and sometimes points south). > > there are generally two slots which work > > UTC 22:00 > CET 23:00 > JST 07:00+1 > EST 17:00 > PST 14:00 > > and > > UTC 14:00 > CET 15:00 > JST 23:00 > EST 09:00 > PST 06:00 > > yes, someone has to suffer. the world is round; get over it. > > randy > --000000000000cfdc70059f57d72e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All times you provides are just perfect != =C2=A0

Thx Randy.=C2=A0

PS. I still t= hink we should prepare a bit better for such call in terms of previously pr= epared interactive document.=C2=A0

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 8:43 = PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wr= ote:
> So who= exactly from those who proposed a documents in this space and is
> part of the DT based in Asia ?

i bounce back and forth, was in tokyo last week, californica this

i do congratulate the group on the longest thread i have seen in a long
time discussing a con call.=C2=A0 and i have at least three con calls a wee= k
with particupants in emea, noam, and asia (and sometimes points south).

there are generally two slots which work

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 UTC 22:00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CET 23:00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 JST 07:00+1
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 EST 17:00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PST 14:00

and

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 UTC 14:00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CET 15:00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 JST 23:00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 EST 09:00
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PST 06:00

yes, someone has to suffer.=C2=A0 the world is round; get over it.

randy
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Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:08:07 +0000 From: "Randy Bush" To: "Robert Raszuk" Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:08:05 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: <9D154F94-E6FB-4400-BD45-A96D34FBA2EE@psg.com> In-Reply-To: References: <70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23f@huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:08:10 -0000 robert, > All times you provides are just perfect ! been doing it for a few decades :( btw, those times need to be jittered if se asia and/or prc are on the call. add india, and the suffering becomes serious. > PS. I still think we should prepare a bit better for such call in > terms of previously prepared interactive document. i do not think we are ready for any form of document. you and i had a short discussion which ended up in a fairly extreme minimalist position. but no one else commented. i think we need some sense of consensus on this before committing to a document; even such a short one. i also have to wonder that, if we can agree on a minimalist approach for datacenter, perhaps such minimalism would expand to a larger space. but i suspect this is overly optimistic. randy From nobody Mon Feb 24 12:10:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6C43A123E for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:10:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:13:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23f@huawei.com> <9D154F94-E6FB-4400-BD45-A96D34FBA2EE@psg.com> In-Reply-To: <9D154F94-E6FB-4400-BD45-A96D34FBA2EE@psg.com> From: Robert Raszuk Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 21:13:21 +0100 Message-ID: To: Randy Bush Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005f94e3059f5801d6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:13:35 -0000 --0000000000005f94e3059f5801d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Just to clarify what I meant as far as "document" .. It was an example of just a form of interactive whiteboard (gdocs) between DT members. That's all. >From my limited experience working remotely it does seem to work pretty well. I guess to make it seamless we could all provide a google IDs, create a group and off we go interactive. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:08 PM Randy Bush wrote: > robert, > > > All times you provides are just perfect ! > > been doing it for a few decades :( > > btw, those times need to be jittered if se asia and/or prc are on the > call. add india, and the suffering becomes serious. > > > PS. I still think we should prepare a bit better for such call in > > terms of previously prepared interactive document. > > i do not think we are ready for any form of document. you and i had a > short discussion which ended up in a fairly extreme minimalist position. > but no one else commented. i think we need some sense of consensus on > this before committing to a document; even such a short one. > > i also have to wonder that, if we can agree on a minimalist approach > for datacenter, perhaps such minimalism would expand to a larger space. > but i suspect this is overly optimistic. > > randy > --0000000000005f94e3059f5801d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just to clarify what I meant as far as "document"= ; ..=C2=A0

It was an example of just a form of interacti= ve whiteboard (gdocs) between DT members. That's all.=C2=A0
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From my limited experience working remotely it does seem to w= ork pretty well.=C2=A0

I guess to make it seamless= we could all provide a google IDs, create a group and off we go interactiv= e.=C2=A0

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:08 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
robert,

> All times you provides are just perfect !

been doing it for a few decades :(

btw, those times need to be jittered if se asia and/or prc are on the
call.=C2=A0 add india, and the suffering becomes serious.

> PS. I still think we should prepare a bit better for such call in
> terms of previously prepared interactive document.

i do not think we are ready for any form of document.=C2=A0 you and i had a=
short discussion which ended up in a fairly extreme minimalist position. but no one else commented.=C2=A0 i think we need some sense of consensus on=
this before committing to a document; even such a short one.

i also have to wonder that, if we can agree on a minimalist approach
for datacenter, perhaps such minimalism would expand to a larger space.
but i suspect this is overly optimistic.

randy
--0000000000005f94e3059f5801d6-- From nobody Mon Feb 24 12:14:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9323A1250 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:14:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CeZ64DwIdFdX for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6DFE3A0EB8 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.180.150.2] (helo=mail.rg.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j6K7k-000EY7-GF; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:14:40 +0000 Received: from 162-195-241-81.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net ([162.195.241.81] helo=[192.168.56.1]) by mail.rg.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j6K7j-0003RY-GB; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:14:39 +0000 From: "Randy Bush" To: "Robert Raszuk" Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:14:38 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.13.1r5671) Message-ID: <50C2C01B-FA66-4217-9E92-8EBBCC52E27C@psg.com> In-Reply-To: References: <70e313e9faec408b85c6b29cff0be23f@huawei.com> <9D154F94-E6FB-4400-BD45-A96D34FBA2EE@psg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:14:42 -0000 etherpad is not owned by a mega, and we have one already From nobody Mon Feb 24 12:24:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79253A128D for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:24:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OqU1Gkltept0 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21463A128C for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4B6D41E2D6; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 15:30:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 15:30:15 -0500 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Randy Bush Cc: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" , "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20200224203014.GA4433@pfrc.org> References: <89bb996682564b99af57133a76b8dc6b@huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Discussion about BGP autoconf requirements in DC X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:24:32 -0000 [choosing this message for the reply] On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 02:50:06PM -0800, Randy Bush wrote: > > EBGP using connected-interface address > > EBGP using loopback address > > ECMP > > Validation of allowed peers > > Liveness detection > > Supported address family for session setup: IPv4, IPv6 > > Authentication > > .... > > > > Please share your opinions about this list. > > - signal your ip address (which will tell me v4 or v6) and, as > it is the 21st century, assump MPBGP > - signal your asn. if it is the same as mine, it's iBGP so > no need to think about multi-hop etc > - signal how many hops i need to get to your listener > - signal the authentication > > isn't the rest either discoverd/agreed in the OPEN or automagic? Mostly. Later in the thread I see the opinion about authentication got more complicated, which I think is a necessary thing. One of the ideas I pushed for in the lldp draft, and mentioned similarly in the Acee IGP RR discovery drafts was the idea of a "role". It is left intentionally unspecified in the draft at the moment since policy/config can help reconcile it, but perhaps as we work on the design having a more formal definition may be helpful. A role in a DC fabric context can be what layer of the fabric the router is operating at. E.g. in a 3 layer fabric, leaf should interact with aggregate, aggregate with leaf and spine, etc. This helps with discovery and helps avoid misconnectivity. A role for a standard ISP PE would be "customer", "reflector", etc. And yes, there's likely overlap with ideas such as ASPA. --- An interesting question about layering also covers your point above: Discovery lets you find a thing that speaks BGP and some of the expected properties. Some of the things the automation proposals could do could either live in the discovery mechanism or in the BGP speaker itself. Role, for example. Transport security mechanism likely has to live in the discovery. -- Jeff From nobody Mon Feb 24 17:36:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480663A175B for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:36:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dYpewUP6JKOc for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE87F3A1759 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id A805516E01308E54690D for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:36:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.156) by LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:36:18 +0000 Received: from nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.156) by nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 09:36:15 +0800 Received: from nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.156]) by nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.156]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 09:36:15 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: Randy Bush , Robert Raszuk CC: "bgp-autoconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Etherpad for today's discussion\\RE: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? Thread-Index: AdXrevC+Q3v6Z5OhSh6fqxmtGw4slA== Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:36:15 +0000 Message-ID: <86f67c8f77354db78e76f6243dcdedfc@huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.203.211] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] Etherpad for today's discussion\\RE: A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:36:22 -0000 Agreed. Etherpad would be very useful for collaborating on both the meeting= minutes and the requirement list. I just created an etherpad link for our discussion today.=20 https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/bgp-autoconf-feb-25 Let's work together on it. Thanks. Best regards, Jie -----Original Message----- From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rand= y Bush Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 4:15 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP a= utoconf requirements? etherpad is not owned by a mega, and we have one already --=20 Bgp-autoconf mailing list Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf From nobody Mon Feb 24 17:48:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810AB3A178C for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:48:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nAsEW-WQ8SHI for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051713A178F for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:48:25 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.177.57.99; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Dongjie \(Jimmy\)'" , "'Randy Bush'" , "'Robert Raszuk'" Cc: References: <86f67c8f77354db78e76f6243dcdedfc@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <86f67c8f77354db78e76f6243dcdedfc@huawei.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:47:52 -0500 Message-ID: <006f01d5eb7d$982f8c70$c88ea550$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGteiyue0Topd31Axr20nE3HpOo96h8BllQ Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 200224-2, 02/24/2020), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Etherpad for today's discussion\\RE: A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:48:28 -0000 I'm logged into the meeting. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dongjie (Jimmy) Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:36 PM To: Randy Bush; Robert Raszuk Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] Etherpad for today's discussion\\RE: A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? Agreed. Etherpad would be very useful for collaborating on both the meeting minutes and the requirement list. I just created an etherpad link for our discussion today. https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/bgp-autoconf-feb-25 Let's work together on it. Thanks. Best regards, Jie -----Original Message----- From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 4:15 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? etherpad is not owned by a mega, and we have one already -- Bgp-autoconf mailing list Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf -- Bgp-autoconf mailing list Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf From nobody Mon Feb 24 17:49:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920233A1792 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:49:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6TyAAz8TioVt for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-100-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EEF53A1794 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:49:47 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.177.57.99; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Dongjie \(Jimmy\)'" , "'Randy Bush'" , "'Robert Raszuk'" Cc: References: <86f67c8f77354db78e76f6243dcdedfc@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <86f67c8f77354db78e76f6243dcdedfc@huawei.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 20:49:29 -0500 Message-ID: <007401d5eb7d$d1e0aee0$75a20ca0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGteiyue0Topd31Axr20nE3HpOo96h8BzOg Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 200224-2, 02/24/2020), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Etherpad for today's discussion\\RE: A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:49:52 -0000 https://ietf.webex.com/join/idr Here's the link again. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dongjie (Jimmy) Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:36 PM To: Randy Bush; Robert Raszuk Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] Etherpad for today's discussion\\RE: A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? Agreed. Etherpad would be very useful for collaborating on both the meeting minutes and the requirement list. I just created an etherpad link for our discussion today. https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/bgp-autoconf-feb-25 Let's work together on it. Thanks. Best regards, Jie -----Original Message----- From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 4:15 AM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] A conference call in next week to discuss BGP autoconf requirements? etherpad is not owned by a mega, and we have one already -- Bgp-autoconf mailing list Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf -- Bgp-autoconf mailing list Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf From nobody Mon Feb 24 19:24:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF6B3A0400 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:24:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c6A3t5HrkiXI for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 820833A03FC for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j6QpA-0004Ex-Nr for bgp-autoconf@ietf.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 03:23:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:23:53 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: bgp autoconf User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 03:24:01 -0000 some underlying assumptions: o with a datacenter, not inter-datacenter o we are not changing bgp o we will not force major change on the operator's architecture o attempt to be minimal randy From nobody Tue Feb 25 04:21:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221B93A0B55 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, First of all, thank you for attending the conference call, we had good disc= ussion on several items, and many thanks to Sue and others who helped with = the minutes. The minutes is on https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/bgp-autoconf-feb-25, ple= ase check if you want to make any change to it. I also summarized our discussion and action points as below: - We agreed to work on DC first, while keep an eye on what makes the other = cases different. - For DC case, will focus on intra-data center which uses BGP as underlay, = either interface addresses or loopbacks can be used for peering. Inter-DC a= nd VPNs are out of scope. - We had some discussion about whether we should cover the misconnectivity = or misconfiguration detection, there is still no clear result. - The team agrees that discovering the role of a device could be useful, so= mething similar has been used in RIFT. - We discussed the security requirements, the authentication has two proper= ties, transport or object security, and authenticating the peer. - In order to reduce the number of parallel peers between two nodes, need t= o use loopbacks to setup only one session, then need to consider how to aut= omatically generate the configuration of routes to peer's loopback. - Enablement of BFD based on auto-discovery is considered as one optional f= unction, while the complexity needs to be considered. - Some considerations on Zero touch provisioning (ZTP). It is assumed some = level of provisioning/pre-configuration is still required. The team agrees to look at the list of solution drafts, summarize the requi= rements from each draft, and find a minimal common set. Action points: 1. The author of each draft to summarize the list of requirement from his d= raft, and share it on design team list. (by end of this Friday) 2. Other people can provide additional comments to the summarized requireme= nts. (in next week) 3. The team to provide a minimal common set. Best regards, Jie --_000_37b4733413184637b822528e7939f677huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

First of all, thank you for att= ending the conference call, we had good discussion on several items, and ma= ny thanks to Sue and others who helped with the minutes.

 

The minutes is on https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/bgp-autoconf-feb-25, please check if y= ou want to make any change to it.

 

I also summarized our discussio= n and action points as below:

 

- We agreed to work on DC first= , while keep an eye on what makes the other cases different.

 

- For DC case, will focus on in= tra-data center which uses BGP as underlay, either interface addresses or l= oopbacks can be used for peering. Inter-DC and VPNs are out of scope.<= /o:p>

 

- We had some discussion about = whether we should cover the misconnectivity or misconfiguration detection, = there is still no clear result.

 

- The team agrees that discover= ing the role of a device could be useful, something similar has been used i= n RIFT.

 

- We discussed the security req= uirements, the authentication has two properties, transport or object secur= ity, and authenticating the peer.

 

- In order to reduce the number= of parallel peers between two nodes, need to use loopbacks to setup only o= ne session, then need to consider how to automatically generate the configu= ration of routes to peer’s loopback.

 

- Enablement of BFD based on au= to-discovery is considered as one optional function, while the complexity n= eeds to be considered.

     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           

- Some considerations on Zero t= ouch provisioning (ZTP). It is assumed some level of provisioning/pre-confi= guration is still required.

 

The team agrees to look at the = list of solution drafts, summarize the requirements from each draft, and fi= nd a minimal common set.

 

Action points:

1. The author of each draft to = summarize the list of requirement from his draft, and share it on design te= am list. (by end of this Friday)

2. Other people can provide add= itional comments to the summarized requirements. (in next week)<= /span>

3. The team to provide a minima= l common set.

 

Best regards,=

Jie

 

--_000_37b4733413184637b822528e7939f677huaweicom_-- From nobody Tue Feb 25 07:38:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E663A0F1C for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 07:38:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KtgHnTivAiQ3 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 07:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16EDF3A0F17 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 07:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 3DA2ED5638E950C64701 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:38:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.156) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.43) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:38:12 +0000 Received: from nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.156) by nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 23:38:10 +0800 Received: from nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.156]) by nkgeml701-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.156]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 23:38:10 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: Randy Bush , bgp autoconf Thread-Topic: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions Thread-Index: AQHV64sOYK3sSXgKX0yWCBAVxxf6sagsCYCg Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:38:10 +0000 Message-ID: <3fc500dc7cdd4df2967ad51efdb5cf29@huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.190.197] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:38:17 -0000 Hi Randy,=20 Please see some comments inline: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bgp-autoconf [mailto:bgp-autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Randy Bush > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 11:24 AM > To: bgp autoconf > Subject: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions >=20 > some underlying assumptions: >=20 > o with a datacenter, not inter-datacenter >=20 > o we are not changing bgp [Jie] Not sure we discussed this during the conference call or not. My unde= rstanding is we will identify the list of functional requirement first, whe= ther it requires changes to BGP or not could be discussed later.=20 >=20 > o we will not force major change on the operator's architecture >=20 > o attempt to be minimal [JIe] I agree with your other assumptions. Best regards, Jie >=20 > randy >=20 > -- > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf From nobody Tue Feb 25 11:49:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D813A1482 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:49:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DmvrATX_jNhJ for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D474B3A1435 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j6gCj-0006D4-Kp; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 19:49:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:49:17 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" Cc: bgp autoconf In-Reply-To: <3fc500dc7cdd4df2967ad51efdb5cf29@huawei.com> <73E23EF6-D901-4199-800E-49BFABD1FBC5@cisco.com> References: <3fc500dc7cdd4df2967ad51efdb5cf29@huawei.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 19:49:23 -0000 hi jie, >> o we are not changing bgp > [Jie] Not sure we discussed this during the conference call or not. actually, i made the assertion three times. there was no response. so i have made it again :) Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > This would disqualify LDP-esque mechanisms being added to BGP and we'd > have one less draft to consider __ is that a bug or a feature? randy From nobody Tue Feb 25 12:13:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E543A14C6 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:13:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6MVOrcCba0Ac for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2AA3A149C for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from dresden.attlocal.net (99-59-193-67.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net [99.59.193.67]) by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ECB21E2D3; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:19:40 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6A703233-75BE-4942-9880-841C6BFA2D81" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) From: Jeffrey Haas In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:13:53 -0500 Cc: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" , bgp autoconf Message-Id: References: <3fc500dc7cdd4df2967ad51efdb5cf29@huawei.com> To: Randy Bush X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:13:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6A703233-75BE-4942-9880-841C6BFA2D81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Feb 25, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >=20 > hi jie, >=20 >>> o we are not changing bgp >> [Jie] Not sure we discussed this during the conference call or not. >=20 > actually, i made the assertion three times. there was no response. > so i have made it again :) Actually, I had commented on the possible need to push some of this = stuff into BGP depending on where we drew our lines on some of the = layering. I'd like to avoid unnecessary changes. I'm not willing to rule them = out. I believe that sticking with as close to base BGP as possible is a = feature: It means that auto-discovery features can be lightly strapped = on top of boring BGP implementations that have modest support for = programmatic neighbor setup. -- Jeff --Apple-Mail=_6A703233-75BE-4942-9880-841C6BFA2D81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Feb 25, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> = wrote:

hi jie,

 o we are not = changing bgp
[Jie] Not sure we discussed this = during the conference call or not.

actually, i made the assertion = three times.  there was no response.
so i have made it again :)

Actually, I had commented on the possible = need to push some of this stuff into BGP depending on where we drew our = lines on some of the layering.

I'd like to avoid unnecessary changes. =  I'm not willing to rule them out.

I believe that sticking with as close = to base BGP as possible is a feature: It means that auto-discovery = features can be lightly strapped on top of boring BGP implementations = that have modest support for programmatic neighbor setup.

-- Jeff

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Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:15:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:15:19 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Jeffrey Haas Cc: bgp autoconf , "Dongjie (Jimmy)" In-Reply-To: References: <3fc500dc7cdd4df2967ad51efdb5cf29@huawei.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:15:25 -0000 > I believe that sticking with as close to base BGP as possible is a > feature: It means that auto-discovery features can be lightly strapped > on top of boring BGP implementations that have modest support for > programmatic neighbor setup. i can support this position randy From nobody Tue Feb 25 14:43:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377073A044A for ; 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([2607:fb90:4e32:100c:712c:3cb3:c791:a3c0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a22sm108118pfk.108.2020.02.25.14.43.24 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:43:25 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26A1E3B3-58B2-41CB-B245-F4FA9436530E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Tantsura Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:43:23 -0800 Message-Id: <47BCD9AD-DF94-457D-808D-8ECA3C7B1A69@gmail.com> References: Cc: Randy Bush , bgp autoconf , "Dongjie (Jimmy)" In-Reply-To: To: Jeffrey Haas X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17D50) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:43:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-26A1E3B3-58B2-41CB-B245-F4FA9436530E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Regards, Jeff > On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:14, Jeffrey Haas wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 >> On Feb 25, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>=20 >> hi jie, >>=20 >>>> o we are not changing bgp >>> [Jie] Not sure we discussed this during the conference call or not. >>=20 >> actually, i made the assertion three times. there was no response. >> so i have made it again :) >=20 > Actually, I had commented on the possible need to push some of this stuff i= nto BGP depending on where we drew our lines on some of the layering. >=20 > I'd like to avoid unnecessary changes. I'm not willing to rule them out. >=20 > I believe that sticking with as close to base BGP as possible is a feature= : It means that auto-discovery features can be lightly strapped on top of bo= ring BGP implementations that have modest support for programmatic neighbor s= etup. >=20 > -- Jeff >=20 > --=20 > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf --Apple-Mail-26A1E3B3-58B2-41CB-B245-F4FA9436530E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1

Regards,
Jef= f

On Feb 25, 2020,= at 12:14, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
=
On Feb 2= 5, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

hi jie,

 o we are not changing bgp
[Jie] Not sure w= e discussed this during the conference call or not.

actually, i made the assertion three t= imes.  there was no response.
= so i have made it again :)

Actually, I had commented on the possible need to push some of= this stuff into BGP depending on where we drew our lines on some of the lay= ering.

I'd like to= avoid unnecessary changes.  I'm not willing to rule them out.

I believe that sticking wi= th as close to base BGP as possible is a feature: It means that auto-discove= ry features can be lightly strapped on top of boring BGP implementations tha= t have modest support for programmatic neighbor setup.
=
-- Jeff

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([2607:fb90:4e32:100c:712c:3cb3:c791:a3c0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a35sm57515pgl.20.2020.02.25.14.45.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:45:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Tantsura Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:45:40 -0800 Message-Id: References: <73E23EF6-D901-4199-800E-49BFABD1FBC5@cisco.com> Cc: Randy Bush , bgp autoconf In-Reply-To: <73E23EF6-D901-4199-800E-49BFABD1FBC5@cisco.com> To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17D50) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:45:45 -0000 Acee, I disagree, there=E2=80=99s a difference between changing BGP semantics and a= dding lightweighted AD function on top. Regards, Jeff > On Feb 25, 2020, at 04:21, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFHi Randy,=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 2/24/20, 10:24 PM, "Bgp-autoconf on behalf of Randy Bush" wrote: >=20 > some underlying assumptions: >=20 > o with a datacenter, not inter-datacenter >=20 > o we are not changing bgp >=20 > This would disqualify LDP-esque mechanisms being added to BGP and we'd hav= e one less draft to consider __ >=20 > Thanks, > Acee >=20 > o we will not force major change on the operator's architecture >=20 > o attempt to be minimal >=20 > randy >=20 > --=20 > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Bgp-autoconf mailing list > Bgp-autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bgp-autoconf From nobody Tue Feb 25 14:47:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CAC3A05AC for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:47:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 77leAqGCgjhU for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 860BD3A05A7 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j6iz2-0006cO-Td; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:47:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:47:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Jeff Tantsura Cc: bgp autoconf In-Reply-To: References: <73E23EF6-D901-4199-800E-49BFABD1FBC5@cisco.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] assumptions X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:47:24 -0000 > there=A2s a difference between changing BGP semantics and adding > lightweighted AD function on top. e.g. see l3dl-uldp for very clear separation randy From nobody Tue Feb 25 14:48:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E563A3A0768 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GWXWCq3OrojP for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 778373A0769 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:48:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j6izj-0006cd-WA; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:48:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:48:03 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <37b4733413184637b822528e7939f677@huawei.com> References: <37b4733413184637b822528e7939f677@huawei.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Minutes and action points of the conference call X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:48:09 -0000 > 1. The author of each draft to summarize the list of requirement from > his draft, and share it on design team list. from draft-ymbk-lsvr-l3dl-ulpc The goal is to provide the minimal set of configuration parameters needed by BGP OPEN to successfully start a BGP peering. The goal is specifically not to replace or conflict with data exchanged during BGP OPEN. Multiple sources of truth are a recipe for complexity and hence pain. If there are multiple BGP sessions on a link, e.g., IPv4 and IPv6, then multiple sets of BGP sub-TLVs MAY BE exchanged within the BGP ULPC PDU or multiple BGP ULPC PDUs may be sent, one for each address family. A peer receiving BGP ULPC PDUs has only one active BGP ULPC PDU for an particular address family at any point in time; receipt of a new BGP ULPC PDU for a particular address family replaces any previous one. If there are one or more open BGP sessions, receipt of a new BGP ULPC PDU does not affect these sessions and the PDU SHOULD be discarded. If a peer wishes to replace an open BGP session, they must first close the running session and then send a new BGP ULPC PDU. As a link may have multiple encapsulations and multiple addresses for an IP encapsulation, which address of which encapsulation is to be used for the BGP session MUST be specified. For each BGP peering on a link here MUST be one agreed encapsulation, and the addresses used MUST be in the corresponding L3DP IPv4/IPv6 Announcement PDUs. If a peering address has been announced as a loopback, a two or three (one or both ends could be loopbacks) hop BGP session will be established. Otherwise a direct one hop session is used. which is built on top of draft-ymbk-lsvr-l3dl, which has a wider set of goals, among them link discovery/verification: The Massive Data Center (MDC) environment presents unusual problems of scale, e.g. O(10,000) forwarding devices, while its homogeneity presents opportunities for simple approaches. Approaches such as Jupiter Rising [JUPITER] use a central controller to deal with scaling, while BGP-SPF [I-D.ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf] provides massive scale-out without centralization using a tried and tested scalable distributed control plane, offering a scalable routing solution in Clos [Clos0][Clos1] and similar environments. But BGP-SPF and similar higher level device-spanning protocols, e.g. [I-D.malhotra-bess-evpn-lsoe], need logical link state and addressing data from the network to build the routing topology. They also need prompt but prudent reaction to (logical) link failure. Layer 3 Discovery and Liveness (L3DL) provides brutally simple mechanisms for devices to o Discover each other's unique endpoint identification, o Discover mutually supported layer 3 encapsulations, e.g. IP/MPLS, o Discover Layer 3 IP and/or MPLS addressing of interfaces of the encapsulations, o Present these data, using a very restricted profile of a BGP-LS [RFC7752] API, to BGP-SPF which computes the topology and builds routing and forwarding tables, o Enable Layer 3 link liveness such as BFD, o Provide Layer 2 keep-alive messages for session continuity, and finally o Provide for authenticity verification of protocol messages. This protocol may be more widely applicable to a range of routing and similar protocols which need layer 3 discovery and characterisation. randy From nobody Tue Feb 25 14:56:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bgp-autoconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50493A0798 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:56:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=Van2PfH+; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=bT4zxnQE Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V2GUtPmqerb0 for ; 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charset=utf-8 > On Feb 25, 2020, at 6:10 PM, =E5=BE=90=E5=B0=8F=E8=99=8E(=E4=B9=89=E5=85= =88) wrote: >=20 > I'm fine with those assumptions except item 2. I think we need some = clarification. It's sure that we are not changing the current BGP = mechanism. However, as for which protocol should be used for BGP peer = autodiscovery, we should not exclude BGP on purpose. Let's not get over-wrought about what needs to change for what reason. = Most of the details will likely come naturally from the functional = requirements. -- Jeff --Apple-Mail=_BBE228F0-888C-470A-A1BF-1CBD5B47A97E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Feb 25, 2020, at 6:10 PM, =E5=BE=90=E5=B0=8F=E8=99=8E(=E4=B9= =89=E5=85=88) <xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> wrote:

I'm fine with = those assumptions except item 2.  I think we need = some clarification. It's sure that we are not changing the current = BGP mechanism. However, as for which protocol should be used for BGP = peer autodiscovery, we should not exclude BGP on = purpose.

Let's not get over-wrought about what needs to change for = what reason.  Most of the details will likely come naturally from = the functional requirements.

-- Jeff

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[10.108.203.211] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Minutes and action points of the conference call X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:44:51 -0000 Thanks to Randy for summarizing the requirements from the L3DL drafts.=20 Authors of other drafts, please also share the summary of requirements from= your draft to the design team list. Thanks. Best regards, Jie -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:48 AM To: Dongjie (Jimmy) Cc: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bgp-autoconf] Minutes and action points of the conference cal= l > 1. The author of each draft to summarize the list of requirement from > his draft, and share it on design team list. from draft-ymbk-lsvr-l3dl-ulpc The goal is to provide the minimal set of configuration parameters needed by BGP OPEN to successfully start a BGP peering. The goal is specifically not to replace or conflict with data exchanged during BGP OPEN. Multiple sources of truth are a recipe for complexity and hence pain. =20 If there are multiple BGP sessions on a link, e.g., IPv4 and IPv6, then multiple sets of BGP sub-TLVs MAY BE exchanged within the BGP ULPC PDU or multiple BGP ULPC PDUs may be sent, one for each address family. A peer receiving BGP ULPC PDUs has only one active BGP ULPC PDU for an particular address family at any point in time; receipt of a new BGP ULPC PDU for a particular address family replaces any previous one. If there are one or more open BGP sessions, receipt of a new BGP ULPC PDU does not affect these sessions and the PDU SHOULD be discarded. If a peer wishes to replace an open BGP session, they must first close the running session and then send a new BGP ULPC PDU. As a link may have multiple encapsulations and multiple addresses for an IP encapsulation, which address of which encapsulation is to be used for the BGP session MUST be specified. For each BGP peering on a link here MUST be one agreed encapsulation, and the addresses used MUST be in the corresponding L3DP IPv4/IPv6 Announcement PDUs. If a peering address has been announced as a loopback, a two or three (one or both ends could be loopbacks) hop BGP session will be established. Otherwise a direct one hop session is used. which is built on top of draft-ymbk-lsvr-l3dl, which has a wider set of goa= ls, among them link discovery/verification: The Massive Data Center (MDC) environment presents unusual problems of scale, e.g. O(10,000) forwarding devices, while its homogeneity presents opportunities for simple approaches. Approaches such as Jupiter Rising [JUPITER] use a central controller to deal with scaling, while BGP-SPF [I-D.ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf] provides massive scale-out without centralization using a tried and tested scalable distributed control plane, offering a scalable routing solution in Clos [Clos0][Clos1] and similar environments. But BGP-SPF and similar higher level device-spanning protocols, e.g. [I-D.malhotra-bess-evpn-lsoe], need logical link state and addressing data from the network to build the routing topology. They also need prompt but prudent reaction to (logical) link failure. Layer 3 Discovery and Liveness (L3DL) provides brutally simple mechanisms for devices to o Discover each other's unique endpoint identification, o Discover mutually supported layer 3 encapsulations, e.g. IP/MPLS, o Discover Layer 3 IP and/or MPLS addressing of interfaces of the encapsulations, o Present these data, using a very restricted profile of a BGP-LS [RFC7752] API, to BGP-SPF which computes the topology and builds routing and forwarding tables, o Enable Layer 3 link liveness such as BFD, o Provide Layer 2 keep-alive messages for session continuity, and finally o Provide for authenticity verification of protocol messages. 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X-BeenThere: bgp-autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP autoconfiguration design team discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 20:52:54 -0000 Hi there all, I read through the documents at https://git.rg.net/randy/randy/src/master/bgp-autodiscovery.md trying to figure out the pros and cons for each, which best fits the use-cases, which seems most complete, etc. There are my first round of notes / thoughts - they are not very complete or organized. 1: L3DL Upper Layer Protocol Configuration - draft-ymbk-lsvr-l3dl-ulpc-02 --------------------------- I like this document - it is really simple, flexible and clear. It seems easily extensible (add some TLVs), but I do have some concerns: 1.1: this rides on L3DL, and so (obviously) will need equipment to support / implement L3DL. I have not reviewed draft-ietf-lsvr-l3dl in depth, but from a quick skim it seems reasonable (although I do have a bunch of nits / comments on the document which I will send over once I've written them up) 1.2: It looks easily extensible, although I am a bit concerned that the type field is only 8 bits (easily changed if others agree) 1.3: It currently does not support adding routes so that I can peer between loopback. This could be easily added to the protocol, but we will need to figure out if it is a good idea, the implications, how to minimize the threat of doing so (this is true for all of these protocols, not just L3DL-ULPC) 1.4: I didn't understand Section 3.1.5 - perhaps it is just an example of extensibility? 1.5: The security considerations made me giggle - this *is* an important feature. Missing: Loopback recursion peering, BFD, requires L3DL - not implemented. Other thoughts: This (L3DL) builds something like a session (unlike the LLDP document) - is this a feature or a bug? I think feature, but... 2: BGP Neighbor Discovery - draft-xu-idr-neighbor-autodiscovery ---------------------------- I found this document hard to read - it is overly verbose and needs a good edit to make it understandable. It seems overly complex, and requires changes to BGP / feels like it tries to shoehorn BGP into this use-case, instead of being a separate discovery protocol which then "bootstraps" BGP. The complexity / changes to BGP largely ruled this one out for me. 3: BGP Automated Session Setup - draft-raszuk-idr-bgp-auto-session-setup ------------------------ Sufficiently incomplete that it doesn't really say anything / I was not able to evaluate it -- it seems more like an aspirational / placeholder document. e.g: "The following changes to BGP FSM are proposed: To be completed when/if document gets traction in the WG." 4: BGP LLDP Peer Discovery - draft-acee-idr-lldp-peer-discovery ------------------ This seems like a very good option to me -- LLDP is a well-known, well implemented protocol. It also already carries information which solves much of the "auditability" (are the cables right?) use-case. I am concerned about the possible message size limits (it was unclear from my initial reading how extensible this is -- e.g: if I need to send 1000 bytes of "information" can I send some TLVs in one packet and then the rest in a second one? I don't see why not, but.... This currently (like most!) punts on "recursive routes", and BFD, and various other things - but I see no reason why this transport could not be used to carry $whatever_we_decide. The document does still need work - e.g it talks about Session Group-IDs, but is very handwavey about what they are / what you do with them. It also needs firming up re: things like ASN transitions (you can advertise a second ASN, but there is not enough text around choosing between them, etc). Summary: ----------------- I like both the L3DL-ULPC and LLDP options. The other two are either too complex, or incomplete. The L3DL-ULPC draft is nicely simple, but some of this may be because it isn't as complete as the LLDP document and / or complexity may hide in L3DL itself. LLDP has the big advantage that it rides on an existing, implemented and deployed protocol. If we can deal with the limited size issue, it is my current preference. W [0]: I'm going to call these "recursive routes" for now. It's not the right term, but it is the only one I can think of at the moment! -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf