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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : BIER Use Cases
        Authors         : Nagendra Kumar
                          Rajiv Asati
                          Mach(Guoyi) Chen
                          Xiaohu Xu
                          Andrew Dolganow
                          Tony Przygienda
                          Arkadiy Gulko
                          Dom Robinson
                          Vishal Arya
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-01.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2015-08-03

Abstract:
   Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that
   provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without
   requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per-
   flow state.  BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building
   protocol for its operation.  A multicast data packet enters a BIER
   domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the
   BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs).
   The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet.  The BIER header
   contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER
   to forward the packet to.  The set of BFERs to which the multicast
   packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that
   correspond to those routers in the BIER header.

   This document describes some of the use-cases for BIER.


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Hi,

This version includes a new use case and a author included.

Thanks,
Nagendra

On 8/3/15, 11:15 AM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
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>A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-01.txt
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>Name:		draft-ietf-bier-use-cases
>Revision:	01
>Title:		BIER Use Cases
>Document date:	2015-08-03
>Group:		bier
>Pages:		13
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>Abstract:
>   Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that
>   provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without
>   requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per-
>   flow state.  BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building
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>   domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the
>   BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs).
>   The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet.  The BIER header
>   contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER
>   to forward the packet to.  The set of BFERs to which the multicast
>   packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that
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Dear Authors,
I'm concerned with the last paragraph of the Section 2:
   The BFR MUST perform the MPLS TTL processing correctly.  If the
   packet is forwarded to one or more BFR adjacencies, the BIER-MPLS
   label carried by the forwarded packet MUST have a TTL field whose
   value is one less than that of the incoming TTL.  (Of course, if the
   incoming TTL is 1, the packet will not be forwarded at all, but will
   be discarded as an MPLS packet whose TTL has been exceeded.)
I think that the last sentence, in the brackets, must require dropping BIER=
 packets on egress if TTL is 0 and allow passing BIER packets with TTL equa=
l 1 to other layer for processing, e.g. BIER Ping/Traceroute. Perhaps the f=
ollowing can be used as the last sentence:
Of course, the packet MUST NOT be forwarded if egress TTL of a labeled pack=
et is 0. The packet MAY be discarded or passed to other layer for processin=
g, e.g. BIER Traceroute.

                Regards,
                                Greg

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Please read and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item.
Note, this draft name has changed -
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions/

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Support.

On 8/26/15, 4:25 PM, "Greg Shepherd" <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.=
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Support.

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From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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Subject: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-mirsky-bier-oam-requirements-00

Please and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bier-oam-requirements/

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Support.

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Yes/support

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Please and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bier-oam-requirements/

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From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
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Subject: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-mirsky-bier-oam-requirements-00

Please and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bier-oam-requirements/

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Greg,

How about the following:

    The BFR MUST perform the MPLS TTL processing correctly.  If the
    packet is forwarded to one or more BFR adjacencies, the BIER-MPLS
    label carried by the forwarded packet MUST have a TTL field whose
    value is one less than that of the incoming TTL.

    Of course, if the incoming TTL is 1, the packet MUST be treated as a
    packet whose TTL has been exceeded.  The packet MUST NOT be
    forwarded, but it MAY be passed to other layers for processing (e.g.,
    to cause an ICMP message to be generated, and/or to invoke BIER-
    specific traceroute procedures, and/or to invoke other OAM
    procedures.)

Eric

On 8/24/2015 9:19 PM, Gregory Mirsky wrote:
> Dear Authors,
>
> I’m concerned with the last paragraph of the Section 2:
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>     The BFR MUST perform the MPLS TTL processing correctly.  If the
>
>     packet is forwarded to one or more BFR adjacencies, the BIER-MPLS
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>     label carried by the forwarded packet MUST have a TTL field whose
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>     value is one less than that of the incoming TTL.  (Of course, if the
>
>     incoming TTL is 1, the packet will not be forwarded at all, but will
>
>     be discarded as an MPLS packet whose TTL has been exceeded.)
>
> I think that the last sentence, in the brackets, must require dropping
> BIER packets on egress if TTL is 0 and allow passing BIER packets with
> TTL equal 1 to other layer for processing, e.g. BIER Ping/Traceroute.
> Perhaps the following can be used as the last sentence:
>
> Of course, the packet MUST NOT be forwarded if egress TTL of a labeled
> packet is 0. The packet MAY be discarded or passed to other layer for
> processing, e.g. BIER Traceroute.
>
>                  Regards,
>
>                                  Greg
>


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Hi Eric,
great, absolutely agree.

	Regards,
		Greg

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Greg,

How about the following:

    The BFR MUST perform the MPLS TTL processing correctly.  If the
    packet is forwarded to one or more BFR adjacencies, the BIER-MPLS
    label carried by the forwarded packet MUST have a TTL field whose
    value is one less than that of the incoming TTL.

    Of course, if the incoming TTL is 1, the packet MUST be treated as a
    packet whose TTL has been exceeded.  The packet MUST NOT be
    forwarded, but it MAY be passed to other layers for processing (e.g.,
    to cause an ICMP message to be generated, and/or to invoke BIER-
    specific traceroute procedures, and/or to invoke other OAM
    procedures.)

Eric

On 8/24/2015 9:19 PM, Gregory Mirsky wrote:
> Dear Authors,
>
> I'm concerned with the last paragraph of the Section 2:
>
>     The BFR MUST perform the MPLS TTL processing correctly.  If the
>
>     packet is forwarded to one or more BFR adjacencies, the BIER-MPLS
>
>     label carried by the forwarded packet MUST have a TTL field whose
>
>     value is one less than that of the incoming TTL.  (Of course, if=20
> the
>
>     incoming TTL is 1, the packet will not be forwarded at all, but=20
> will
>
>     be discarded as an MPLS packet whose TTL has been exceeded.)
>
> I think that the last sentence, in the brackets, must require dropping=20
> BIER packets on egress if TTL is 0 and allow passing BIER packets with=20
> TTL equal 1 to other layer for processing, e.g. BIER Ping/Traceroute.
> Perhaps the following can be used as the last sentence:
>
> Of course, the packet MUST NOT be forwarded if egress TTL of a labeled=20
> packet is 0. The packet MAY be discarded or passed to other layer for=20
> processing, e.g. BIER Traceroute.
>
>                  Regards,
>
>                                  Greg
>


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From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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Please read and respond with or without support to adopt this draft as a wo=
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-bier-te-arch/

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According to the draft:

    Currently, BIER-TE does not support BIER-sub-domains and it does not
    not use BFR-id.  BIER-TE headers use the same format as BIER headers
    (BFR-id is set to 0)

If the BFIR-id field in the BIER header is set to 0, it is impossible 
for the BIER payload to be an MPLS packet whose label stack begins with 
an upstream-assigned label.  That's because the BFIR-id provides the 
context in which the upstream-assigned label is interpreted.

Is that the intention?  That would seem to mean that BIER-TE cannot be 
used to support MVPN.

 From section 3.2.4:

A "local_decap" adjacency passes a copy of the payload of the BIER-TE
packet to the packets NextProto within the BFR (IPv4/IPv6,
Ethernet,...).

These local_decap adjacencies sound an awful lot like BFER-ids. Don't 
you need one for each BFER?  So the BitString has to have a bit for each 
BFER and a bit for each link that is along the path to any of the BFERs? 
  Wouldn't this require that the number of BFERs be much less than the 
number of bits in the BitString?

 From section 4.9 of the draft:

    In a large network, multiple BIFT may be necessary, each one
    identified by a different SI value in the BIER header.

Well, the only BIER encapsulation referenced by the draft is the MPLS 
encapsulation, which does not have an SI value in the BIER header. 
Probably you need to point out in section 3.3 that the MPLS label needs 
to be associated with an SI, and modify section 4.9 to say that the SI 
is inferred from the label.

Even so, I don't really understand how this would work.  In ordinary 
BIER, the bits identify the BFERs.  If for a particular packet you have 
more BFERs than bits, you can always make two packets, and send each one 
to (say) half of the BFERs.  In BFR-TE, the bits identify the links over 
which the packet must flow.  If a particular packet has to flow over 
more links than can fit into the BitString, you can't just make two 
packets, and have each one traverse half the links.   I think this needs 
a bit more explanation.

Perhaps it is sub-domains rather than SIs that are needed here.  One 
could in theory have a sub-domain for each flow, and in that sub-domain 
you'd only have to assign bit positions needed for that flow.  It seems 
like it might be challenging though to figure out the least number of 
sub-domains you actually need for a given set of flows.

BTW, the references need updating.



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Support.

The draft does need a bit of "BGP Housekeeping".  It should say 
something about what to do if a BIER attribute contains two TLVs for the 
same sub-domain, or if a TLV contains two MPLS Encapsulation Sub-TLVs. 
It should also reference RFC7606 ("Revised Error Handling for BGP UPDATE 
Messages") and specify the error handling for a malformed BIER attribute.

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Hi Eric,

Thanks for your suggestions. We will incorporate them in the next revision.

Best regards,
Xiaohu

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> On 8/26/2015 4:29 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote:
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Support.

Thanks,
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Support.<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Nobo</div></=
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On 8/26/2015 4:32 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote:
> Please and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item.

Before this draft is adopted, I think it would be prudent to make a few 
clarifications.

1. The draft should make it clear that the intention is that the WG must 
produce a set of "OAM protocols, methods, and tools" that, taken 
together, satisfy the requirements.  That is, the WG is not expected to 
automatically reject a proposal just because that proposal by itself 
does not satisfy all the requirements.

2. The draft should make it clear that the listed set of requirements is 
not necessarily exhaustive.  That is, there might be an OAM protocol or 
tool that is useful, but not strictly needed to satisfy the requirements 
of this draft.  The WG is not expected to automatically reject such 
protocols or tools.

3. The draft says:

      "BIER OAM" is used in this document interchangeably
       with "set of OAM protocols, methods, and tools"

It then goes on to use terms like "BIER OAM session", where the above 
interchange can't really be made.  Perhaps requirements 2, for exmaple, 
should be rephrased as something like "Insofar as BIER OAM makes use of 
sessions, it MUST be possible to initialize the sessions from any BFR 
..."  Also, I'm pretty sure it is not intended that every OAM tool 
require a session, but requirements 2 and 3, as written might be 
interpreted as ruling out non-session-oriented tools.

4. With regard to the term "proactive and on-demand OAM monitoring" in 
requirement 4, I'm not quite sure whether this means "proactive 
monitoring as well as on-demand monitoring", or whether means that all 
monitoring techniques must be "proactive and on-demand".  (This might be 
due to my lack of familiarity with OAM terminology, but it would be good 
to remove the ambiguity.)

5. With regard to requirement 7, I'm not quite sure what the meaning of 
"bidirectional" really is in this context, given that BIER does not set 
up bidirectional paths.  BTW, I believe it should say "out-of-band" 
where it says "out-of-bound"

6. With regard to requirement 14, I'm not sure what is meant by "BIER 
OAM MUST support methods to enable survivability of a BIER layer".  Does 
"survivability" mean "link protection" and/or "node protection"?  Or 
something else?  These protection techniques generally use procedures 
that will tunnel data packets around the failures, but those procedures 
are not part of the OAM, so I'm a little confused by this requirement.


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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-bier-te-arch/
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Hi Eric,
greatly appreciate your thorough review and very helpful comments. Will wor=
k on them and will respond with proposed changes.

	Regards,
		Greg

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On 8/26/2015 4:32 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote:
> Please and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item.

Before this draft is adopted, I think it would be prudent to make a few cla=
rifications.

1. The draft should make it clear that the intention is that the WG must pr=
oduce a set of "OAM protocols, methods, and tools" that, taken together, sa=
tisfy the requirements.  That is, the WG is not expected to automatically r=
eject a proposal just because that proposal by itself does not satisfy all =
the requirements.

2. The draft should make it clear that the listed set of requirements is no=
t necessarily exhaustive.  That is, there might be an OAM protocol or tool =
that is useful, but not strictly needed to satisfy the requirements of this=
 draft.  The WG is not expected to automatically reject such protocols or t=
ools.

3. The draft says:

      "BIER OAM" is used in this document interchangeably
       with "set of OAM protocols, methods, and tools"

It then goes on to use terms like "BIER OAM session", where the above inter=
change can't really be made.  Perhaps requirements 2, for exmaple, should b=
e rephrased as something like "Insofar as BIER OAM makes use of sessions, i=
t MUST be possible to initialize the sessions from any BFR ..."  Also, I'm =
pretty sure it is not intended that every OAM tool require a session, but r=
equirements 2 and 3, as written might be interpreted as ruling out non-sess=
ion-oriented tools.

4. With regard to the term "proactive and on-demand OAM monitoring" in requ=
irement 4, I'm not quite sure whether this means "proactive monitoring as w=
ell as on-demand monitoring", or whether means that all monitoring techniqu=
es must be "proactive and on-demand".  (This might be due to my lack of fam=
iliarity with OAM terminology, but it would be good to remove the ambiguity=
.)

5. With regard to requirement 7, I'm not quite sure what the meaning of "bi=
directional" really is in this context, given that BIER does not set up bid=
irectional paths.  BTW, I believe it should say "out-of-band"=20
where it says "out-of-bound"

6. With regard to requirement 14, I'm not sure what is meant by "BIER OAM M=
UST support methods to enable survivability of a BIER layer".  Does "surviv=
ability" mean "link protection" and/or "node protection"?  Or something els=
e?  These protection techniques generally use procedures that will tunnel d=
ata packets around the failures, but those procedures are not part of the O=
AM, so I'm a little confused by this requirement.

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Encapsulation for Bit Index Explicit Replication in MPLS Networks
        Authors         : IJsbrand Wijnands
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          Andrew Dolganow
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Sam K Aldrin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-02.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2015-08-31

Abstract:
   Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that
   provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "multicast domain",
   without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any per-flow state
   or to engage in an explicit tree-building protocol.  When a multicast
   data packet enters the domain, the ingress router determines the set
   of egress routers to which the packet needs to be sent.  The ingress
   router then encapsulates the packet in a BIER header.  The BIER
   header contains a bitstring in which each bit represents exactly one
   egress router in the domain; to forward the packet to a given set of
   egress routers, the bits corresponding to those routers are set in
   the BIER header.  The details of the encapsulation depend on the type
   of network used to realize the multicast domain.  This document
   specifies the BIER encapsulation to be used in an MPLS network.


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