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The document appears to have some fundamental flaws, mentioned in my message ("Questions on draft-eckert-bier-te-arch-01") to this list on August 27. I'd like to see the issues addressed before the document is adopted. From nobody Tue Sep 8 11:26:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974BA1A6FC7 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:26:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04a3ocoPEGhL for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8487D1B48B0 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 11:26:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150908182654.15885.55103.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 11:26:54 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] Milestones changed for bier WG X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 18:26:57 -0000 Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to BIER problem statement", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to BIER architecture", set state to deleted from review, rejecting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to BIER MPLS encapsulation", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to OSPF BIER extensions", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to BIER MVPNs", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to ISIS BIER ranges", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to BIER use cases", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to BIER OAM", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to BIER Transition Mechanisms", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to BIER YANG Model / MIB", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to BIER problem statement", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to OSPF BIER extensions", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to ISIS BIER ranges", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Call for Adoption of draft related to BIER deployment experience", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to BIER architecture", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to BIER MPLS encapsulation", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to BIER MVPNs", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to BIER use cases", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to BIER OAM", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to BIER Transition Mechanisms", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to BIER YANG Model / MIB", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "WG Last Call on draft related to BIER deployment experience", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. 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Support as a co-author.

Regards,
Keyur

From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:29 AM
To: b= ier@ietf.org
Subject: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions= -00

 

Please read and respond with or without support for ad= option as a WG item. Note, this draft name has changed - formerly draf= t-xu-idr-bier-extensions-02, as presented in Prague.

 

 

Thanks,

Chairs

--_000_D2183D732803Fkeyupateciscocom_-- From nobody Fri Sep 11 08:30:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E298B1A86DD for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 08:30:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JpqMIVe8PXTB for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 08:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDB231B3F8F for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 08:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f792c6d00000686a-71-55f288f5ccba Received: from EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.96]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 33.88.26730.5F882F55; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 09:55:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.96]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 11:30:33 -0400 From: Antoni Przygienda To: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" , "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions-00 Thread-Index: AQHQ7KRJ2m7bB3QM6kyrkPzGX1NBx543dEVA Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 15:30:32 +0000 Message-ID: <2E4BB27CAB87BF43B4207C0E55860F180EAC0043@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2E4BB27CAB87BF43B4207C0E55860F180EAC0043eusaamb103erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPgu63jk+hBofWslssnbGHyaJx63k2 ByaPKb83snosWfKTKYApissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugSvj5dcvLAX/PSpObrnO1sD4zLGLkYNDQsBE 4sYXli5GTiBTTOLCvfVsXYxcHEICRxklrv+4zAjhLGeU+Pd5MSNIFZuAhcTlb0+ZQWwRgRCJ jq7ZTCC2sIC7xMtnN1kg4h4Sk7+sY4OwjSQWTX8FFmcRUJW433acHWQxr4CvRPdpAxBTSEBf YubRJJAKTgEDiZe9i8A6GYHu+X5qDdh0ZgFxiVtP5jNB3CkgsWTPeWYIW1Ti5eN/rBC2ksTH 3/PZIerzJS5NbQOL8woISpyc+YRlAqPILCSjZiEpm4WkDCKuI7Fg9yc2CFtbYtnC18ww9pkD j5mQxRcwsq9i5CgtTi3LTTcy3MQIjJxjEmyOOxgXfLI8xCjAwajEw6tw9GOoEGtiWXFl7iFG aQ4WJXHeeTPuhwoJpCeWpGanphakFsUXleakFh9iZOLglGpglH1xPivK75q++dL1Ojsf930+ f22l0MxzEwyeyjKduH3BmEmkfW9Ftr1By2Phmjah/ZlJaZ3XWjU4wptzSxWrOzd/fvFYSp3n pP1W7uS5H/sPnpAw2b5+Z0HD28s2rkVedQ+5JsY+cK7enyC65d+PzAMe+45ZCmbaPHA+mTkz I5HB4/zC/i9rlViKMxINtZiLihMB/GtSKX0CAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions-00 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 15:30:45 -0000 --_000_2E4BB27CAB87BF43B4207C0E55860F180EAC0043eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same ... thanks --- tony We learn something every day, and lots of times it's that what we learned t= he day before was wrong. -Bill Vaughan From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Keyur Patel (keyupat= e) Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:13 AM To: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions-00 Support as a co-author. Regards, Keyur From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:29 AM To: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions-00 Please read and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item. = Note, this draft name has changed - formerly draft-xu-idr-bier-extensions-0= 2, as presented in Prague. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions/ Thanks, Chairs --_000_2E4BB27CAB87BF43B4207C0E55860F180EAC0043eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Same …

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thanks

 

--- tony

We learn something every day, and lots of times it’s that what = we learned the day before was wrong.

—Bill Vaughan

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From: BIER [ma= ilto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Keyur Patel (keyupate)
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:13 AM
To: bier@ietf.org
Subject: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions-00

 

Support as a co-author.

 

Regards,<= /p>

Keyur

 

From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:29 AM
To: bier@ietf.org
Subject: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions= -00

 =

Please read and respond = with or without support for adoption as a WG item. Note, this draft name ha= s changed - formerly draft-xu-idr-bier-extensions-02, as presented in = Prague.

 =

 =

Thanks,

Chairs=

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11474af23abfc505206e5621 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBDYWxsIGZvciBhZG9wdGlvbjogZHJhZnQteHUt?= =?utf-8?q?bier-idr-extensions-00?= X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:32:31 -0000 --001a11474af23abfc505206e5621 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Better late than never? Support. On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote: > Support. > > > > -Jie > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *=E4= =BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 *Greg Shepherd > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2015=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8827=E6=97= =A5 4:29 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* bier@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensi= ons-00 > > > > Please read and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item= . > Note, this draft name has changed - > formerly draft-xu-idr-bier-extensions-02, as presented in Prague. > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions/ > > > > Thanks, > > Chairs > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > --001a11474af23abfc505206e5621 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Better late than never?=C2=A0 Support.=C2=A0

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 1= :15 AM, Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:

Support.

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-Jie

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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Greg Shepherd
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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions-00=

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Please read and respond with or= without support for adoption as a WG item. Note, this draft name has chang= ed - formerly=C2=A0draft-xu-idr-bier-extensions-02, as presented in Prague.=

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Thanks,

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--001a11474af23abfc505206e5621-- From nobody Wed Sep 23 11:36:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE1C1AC408 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:36:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17kBvy5qebCc for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22f.google.com (mail-qk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE2531A9118 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qkdw123 with SMTP id w123so20876191qkd.0 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:36:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xrrbrieucoUDXyv0EdOYdlD40Z5MRMrxW98FZNL6lUQ=; b=P/o5U6oM+0+oLw+K05cJnLeJ2V/Bb2FeR3dygzgjKhH04Q1OSyivFknp6lqYJwuYQG ui9UmxzxkCCPUzaYmXs62JRaRJVdmHuOovdFfkx9EjEMQNCNniUfImVe/GsfIuuSsRyH wC6dUowStRI2981kGCuunRZrwQ3OsgGJT2mIlThhQrcqSzP2rgYflpI6Eu731m8Rc5vN wTNtoBX113OmthigpSovpgExgJW/tjUiTr/XyfQVmXttnFK4ckXWmd27n2mg+VqD8jZQ DNs0owWdn+r207YD00KxIsizF8U2JoWfdE4LivNTzYBsmO+KXOpSCFAfuGdX7IE/C4Gu aHfg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.31.68 with SMTP id f65mr6136683qkf.6.1443033404094; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.33.134 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:36:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:36:44 -0700 Message-ID: From: Greg Shepherd To: "bier@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1147e78a733e8d05206e65d8 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions-00 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:36:51 -0000 --001a1147e78a733e8d05206e65d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I let this roll to 4 weeks to be sure some of the contributors had their say as well. And it's unanimous! Time to adopt this draft as a WG item. Will the authors please edit/submit with the name change and the chairs will approve. Thanks!, Greg On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > Please read and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item. > Note, this draft name has changed - > formerly draft-xu-idr-bier-extensions-02, as presented in Prague. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xu-bier-idr-extensions/ > > Thanks, > Chairs > --001a1147e78a733e8d05206e65d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I let this roll to 4 weeks to be sure some of the contribu= tors had their say as well. And it's unanimous! Time to adopt this draf= t as a WG item. Will the authors please edit/submit with the name change an= d the chairs will approve.

Thanks!,
Greg
=

On Wed, Aug= 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:=
Please read and respond= with or without support for adoption as a WG item. Note, this draft name h= as changed - formerly=C2=A0draft-xu-idr-bier-extensions-02, as presented in= Prague.


Thanks,<= /div>
Chairs

--001a1147e78a733e8d05206e65d8-- From nobody Wed Sep 23 11:38:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D69E1A9125 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K8cX2sXvDRIB for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x22c.google.com (mail-qg0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E986F1A9118 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qgev79 with SMTP id v79so26644089qge.0 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kcafjUo2cfprPYY87IwUWejQTbbHGDiIwXifoqZ4nww=; b=dVs+OP27eNnOGQ/P94e5W2m62s+nC5CJrRrxu5MjNvbiLyuIPpF7Ekr0ZeSoupCt9n ct8x7wcW+PDloivS91HtLebsiYutC4Gv9twZcJ3jtzUnarr3hFhZ1NhnjyVM84crtIga lDOfCBQXwNnkKSyRTe6e8l+0JoapQvbH6LLhUfst70THCfwLNUCfXs55SiCooBc2lJ6T y0p5xRWz1hEZwz4wzFZExjiSClhe1keOTD16IoStAJqgJil9PR6mzAULKUmnFDXjp1Bn wc+pClH+QaQwVXaULA5cF2ixOPtdLesjFavdWXovCH/LqomvxTb+gef9wolwhCZaMNCl iE/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.42.8 with SMTP id b8mr37784146qga.58.1443033484104; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.33.134 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55E734B1.5080304@juniper.net> References: <55E734B1.5080304@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: Greg Shepherd To: Toerless Eckert Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c12e163819cb05206e6a7a Archived-At: Cc: "bier@ietf.org" , Eric C Rosen Subject: Re: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-eckert-bier-te-arch-01 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:38:06 -0000 --001a11c12e163819cb05206e6a7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Will the authors please engage and respond to the email questions about the draft? Thanks, Greg On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Eric C Rosen wrote: > I do not support adoption of this document by the WG at this time. > > The document appears to have some fundamental flaws, mentioned in my > message ("Questions on draft-eckert-bier-te-arch-01") to this list on > August 27. I'd like to see the issues addressed before the document is > adopted. > > --001a11c12e163819cb05206e6a7a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Will the authors please engage and respond to the email qu= estions about the draft?

Thanks,
Greg

On Wed, Sep 2,= 2015 at 10:41 AM, Eric C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net> wrote:=
I do not support adoption of this docume= nt by the WG at this time.

The document appears to have some fundamental flaws, mentioned in my messag= e ("Questions on draft-eckert-bier-te-arch-01") to this list on A= ugust 27.=C2=A0 I'd like to see the issues addressed before the documen= t is adopted.


--001a11c12e163819cb05206e6a7a-- From nobody Wed Sep 23 11:38:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B747A1A916E for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aO8E-_4AO3BQ for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x234.google.com (mail-qg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 664A01A9136 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qgez77 with SMTP id z77so26827942qge.1 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iF6e4MJ7NTjATD481AzojJc1dyBBaK2wblsCFSuNVP4=; b=AgM8KHJoF4plDmpD44kJz/p5fGh4dC8w7gWvNpInCVGX5pk/Kvtmjr6jJ4X041SpB7 BYAJKp6mOh+gjHDndjjGKLEp9Ymv3y3qDbHIBkPWmfPBIlRKNjmzdiYQfIinRZl8r98a zx3tR4an+bUnLma52nHcNrYwEg/1a1gOvMiVyOe3tXq1uVfgOK1YoSTtqaBKo2tHNUxl WijH/XuX+ccuMlmxWz12tDYS1bVMIHErtPxx5O8gO4zRlWkB/9dRdyWitU0deadKZf5o Y/xmwfv/dY3wULO4kwjKc4y0jJebsA0M91eZhWaVcKRbsOSNXcudxD0uYl9F49HAM6x0 UIMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.108.102 with SMTP id i93mr37854705qgf.27.1443033534629; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.33.134 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:38:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: Greg Shepherd To: "bier@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11398f303b107f05206e6d93 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-mirsky-bier-oam-requirements-00 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:38:56 -0000 --001a11398f303b107f05206e6d93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I let this roll to 4 weeks to be sure some of the contributors had their say as well. And it's unanimous! Time to adopt this draft as a WG item. Will the authors please edit/submit with the name change and the chairs will approve. Thanks!, Greg On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > Please and respond with or without support for adoption as a WG item. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bier-oam-requirements/ > > Thanks, > Chairs > --001a11398f303b107f05206e6d93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I let this roll to 4 weeks = to be sure some of the contributors had their say as well. And it's una= nimous! Time to adopt this draft as a WG item. Will the authors please edit= /submit with the name change and the chairs will approve.

Thanks!,
<= div style=3D"font-size:13px">Greg
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Shepherd = <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">Please and respond with or without support for adoption as = a WG item.


Thanks,
Chairs

--001a11398f303b107f05206e6d93-- From nobody Wed Sep 23 22:58:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513591B3176 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:58:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fWqNXX5DgNci for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1BE61A0146 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BXZ13106; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 05:58:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.33) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 06:58:24 +0100 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.75]) by nkgeml402-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.33]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 13:58:17 +0800 From: Haoweiguo To: "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Thread-Index: AdD2dimcSeEXf8zBQmyK+95Xem/8aQ== Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 05:58:17 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.23.94] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F8CBC28nkgeml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 05:58:28 -0000 --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F8CBC28nkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, BIER can eliminate explicit multicast-specific tree building protocol and p= er-flow multicast forwarding state. If we want to use BIER as underlay tech= nology for VXLAN network, i am wondering what's the suitable encapsulation?= The possible solutions are as follows: 1. Encap: Ethernet header+BIER header+VXLAN header+Payload. BIER header is used as outer tunnel header, the next part is VXLAN header(= including VN ID), then the payload is inner most. The BIER header is used = to carry overlay BUM traffic, the regular VXLAN outer IP header is used to = carry Unicast traffic. At least one bit should be added to BIER header to identify the next part i= s VXLAN header. 2. Encap:Ethernet header+BIER header+Payload. Each VN ID corresponds to one= network topology, each NVE in one topology has one unique Bitstring index.= When egress NVE receives BIER header encapsulated traffic, it can find the= VN ID corresponds to the Bitstring. I also want to know are there any other possible solutions? What's the sugg= ested encapsulation for NVO3 BIER application? Your comments and discussions are appreciated. Thanks, weiguo --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F8CBC28nkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Folks,

BIER can eliminate explicit multicast-= specific tree building protocol and per-flow multicast forwarding state. If= we want to use BIER as underlay technology for VXLAN network, i am wonderi= ng what's the suitable encapsulation? The possible solutions are as follows:

1. Encap: Ethernet header+BIER hea= der+VXLAN header+Payload.

 BIER header is used as outer tun= nel header, the next part is VXLAN header(including VN ID), then the payloa= d is inner most.  The BIER header is used to carry overlay BUM traffic= , the regular VXLAN outer IP header is used to carry Unicast traffic.

 

At least one bit should be added to BI= ER header to identify the next part is VXLAN header.

 

2. Encap:Ethernet header+BIER head= er+Payload. Each VN ID corresponds to one network topology, each NVE in= one topology has one unique Bitstring index. When egress NVE receives BIER= header encapsulated traffic, it can find the VN ID corresponds to the Bitstring.

 

 

I also want to know are there any othe= r possible solutions? What's the suggested encapsulation for NVO3 BIER appl= ication?

Your comments and discussions are appr= eciated.

 

Thanks,

weiguo

--_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F8CBC28nkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Wed Sep 23 23:29:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59651B31D4 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 23:29:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rUrHIZ2eLS5N for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 23:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AC231B31D2 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 23:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BXZ15189; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 06:29:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:29:31 +0100 Received: from NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.187]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:29:20 +0800 From: Xuxiaohu To: Haoweiguo , "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Thread-Index: AdD2dimcSeEXf8zBQmyK+95Xem/8aQAGuiFA Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 06:29:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EAA@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.99.55] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EAANKGEML512MBSchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 06:29:37 -0000 --_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EAANKGEML512MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Weiguo, It seems straightforward to use the protocol field within the BIER header t= o indicate the payload type of a BIER packet (e.g., MPLS, IP, VXLAN, VXLAN-= GPE, GRE/NVGRE, GENEVE, GUE). Best regards, Xiaohu From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:58 PM To: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Hi Folks, BIER can eliminate explicit multicast-specific tree building protocol and p= er-flow multicast forwarding state. If we want to use BIER as underlay tech= nology for VXLAN network, i am wondering what's the suitable encapsulation?= The possible solutions are as follows: 1. Encap: Ethernet header+BIER header+VXLAN header+Payload. BIER header is used as outer tunnel header, the next part is VXLAN header(= including VN ID), then the payload is inner most. The BIER header is used = to carry overlay BUM traffic, the regular VXLAN outer IP header is used to = carry Unicast traffic. At least one bit should be added to BIER header to identify the next part i= s VXLAN header. 2. Encap:Ethernet header+BIER header+Payload. Each VN ID corresponds to one= network topology, each NVE in one topology has one unique Bitstring index.= When egress NVE receives BIER header encapsulated traffic, it can find the= VN ID corresponds to the Bitstring. I also want to know are there any other possible solutions? What's the sugg= ested encapsulation for NVO3 BIER application? Your comments and discussions are appreciated. Thanks, weiguo --_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EAANKGEML512MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Weiguo,=

 = ;

It seems s= traightforward to use the protocol field within the BIER header to indicate= the payload type of a BIER packet (e.g., MPLS, IP, VXLAN, VXLAN-GPE, GRE/NVGRE, GENEVE, GUE).

 = ;

Best regar= ds,

Xiaohu

 = ;

From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:58 PM
To: bier@ietf.org
Subject: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 = network

 

Hi Folks,

BIER can eliminate explicit multicast-specific tr= ee building protocol and per-flow multicast forwarding state. If we want to= use BIER as underlay technology for VXLAN network, i am wondering what's the suitable encapsulation? The possible solutions a= re as follows:

1. Encap: Ethernet header+BIER header+VXL= AN header+Payload.

 BIER header is used as outer tunnel header,= the next part is VXLAN header(including VN ID), then the payload is inner = most.  The BIER header is used to carry overlay BUM traffic, the regular VXLAN outer IP header is used to carry Unicast traffic.=

 

At least one bit should be added to BIER header t= o identify the next part is VXLAN header.

 

2. Encap:Ethernet header+BIER header+Payl= oad. Each VN ID corresponds to one network topology, each NVE in one topolo= gy has one unique Bitstring index. When egress NVE receives BIER header encapsulated traffic, it can find the VN ID corresponds to the Bits= tring.

 

 

I also want to know are there any other possible = solutions? What's the suggested encapsulation for NVO3 BIER application?

Your comments and discussions are appreciated.

 

Thanks,

weiguo

--_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EAANKGEML512MBSchi_-- From nobody Wed Sep 23 23:50:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3BE1B3202 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 23:50:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zPxeJgVXKLd0 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 23:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E28DE1B31FF for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 23:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CBQ96810; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 06:50:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.35) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:50:40 +0100 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.75]) by nkgeml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:50:27 +0800 From: Haoweiguo To: Xuxiaohu , "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Thread-Index: AdD2dimcSeEXf8zBQmyK+95Xem/8aQAGuiFAAADFdwU= Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 06:50:27 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EAA@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EAA@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.23.94] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F8CBC5Cnkgeml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 06:50:45 -0000 --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F8CBC5Cnkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Xiaohu. Your suggested solution is similar to the first solution. H= owever, this solution seems to be not consistent with BIER over MPLS soluti= on. If using same thinking, BIER over MPLS seems to be not needed, directly= using BIER over Ethernet also can be suitable for MPLS network. Another related question, for BIER Over Ethernet, one unique Ethernet type = is needed to identify BIER header is included. However,currently we don't h= ave the Ethernet Type. weiguo ________________________________ From: Xuxiaohu Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 14:29 To: Haoweiguo; bier@ietf.org Subject: RE: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Hi Weiguo, It seems straightforward to use the protocol field within the BIER header t= o indicate the payload type of a BIER packet (e.g., MPLS, IP, VXLAN, VXLAN-= GPE, GRE/NVGRE, GENEVE, GUE). Best regards, Xiaohu From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:58 PM To: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Hi Folks, BIER can eliminate explicit multicast-specific tree building protocol and p= er-flow multicast forwarding state. If we want to use BIER as underlay tech= nology for VXLAN network, i am wondering what's the suitable encapsulation?= The possible solutions are as follows: 1. Encap: Ethernet header+BIER header+VXLAN header+Payload. BIER header is used as outer tunnel header, the next part is VXLAN header(= including VN ID), then the payload is inner most. The BIER header is used = to carry overlay BUM traffic, the regular VXLAN outer IP header is used to = carry Unicast traffic. At least one bit should be added to BIER header to identify the next part i= s VXLAN header. 2. Encap:Ethernet header+BIER header+Payload. Each VN ID corresponds to one= network topology, each NVE in one topology has one unique Bitstring index.= When egress NVE receives BIER header encapsulated traffic, it can find the= VN ID corresponds to the Bitstring. I also want to know are there any other possible solutions? What's the sugg= ested encapsulation for NVO3 BIER application? Your comments and discussions are appreciated. Thanks, weiguo --_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F8CBC5Cnkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Xiaohu. Your suggested solution= is similar to the first solution.  However, this solution seems to be= not consistent with BIER over MPLS solution. If using same thinking, BIER = over MPLS seems to be not needed, directly using BIER over Ethernet also can be suitable for MPLS network.

Another related question, for BIER Ove= r Ethernet, one unique Ethernet type is needed to identify BIER header is i= ncluded. However,currently we don't have the Ethernet Type.

 

weiguo

From: Xuxiaohu
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 14:29
To: Haoweiguo; bier@ietf.org
Subject: RE: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 net= work

Hi Weiguo,

 

It seems straightforward to= use the protocol field within the BIER header to indicate the payload type= of a BIER packet (e.g., MPLS, IP, VXLAN, VXLAN-GPE, GRE/NVGRE, GENEVE, GUE).

 

Best regards,

Xiaohu

 

From: BIER [mailto:bie= r-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:58 PM
To: bier@ietf.org
Subject: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 = network

 

Hi Folks,BIER can eliminate explicit multicast-specific tree building pro= tocol and per-flow multicast forwarding state. If we want to use BIER as un= derlay technology for VXLAN network, i am wondering what's the suitable encapsulation? The possible solution= s are as follows:

1. Encap: Ethernet header+BIER header+VXLAN header+P= ayload.

 BIER header is used as outer tunnel header, the next part = is VXLAN header(including VN ID), then the payload is inner most.  The= BIER header is used to carry overlay BUM traffic, the regular VXLAN outer IP header is used to carry Unicast traffic.=

 

At least one bit should be added to BIER header to identify the = next part is VXLAN header.

 

2. Encap:Ethernet header+BIER header+Payload. Each VN ID= corresponds to one network topology, each NVE in one topology has one uniq= ue Bitstring index. When egress NVE receives BIER header encapsulated traffic, it can find the VN ID corresponds to the Bits= tring.

 

 

I also want to know are there any other possible solutions? What= 's the suggested encapsulation for NVO3 BIER application?

Your comments and discussions are appreciated.

 

Thanks,

weiguo

--_000_DD5FC8DE455C3348B94340C0AB5517334F8CBC5Cnkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Thu Sep 24 00:16:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97C61B36D7 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:16:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xUvljQckPelp for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DCC91B36D5 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CBQ98750; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:16:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.37) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 08:16:00 +0100 Received: from NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.187]) by nkgeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.37]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 15:15:49 +0800 From: Xuxiaohu To: Haoweiguo , "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Thread-Index: AdD2dimcSeEXf8zBQmyK+95Xem/8aQAGuiFAAADFdwUAALFrUA== Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:15:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EEC@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: , <1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EAA@NKGEML512-MBS.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.99.55] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EECNKGEML512MBSchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:16:07 -0000 --_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EECNKGEML512MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Weiguo, From: Haoweiguo Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:50 PM To: Xuxiaohu; bier@ietf.org Subject: RE: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Thanks Xiaohu. Your suggested solution is similar to the first solution. H= owever, this solution seems to be not consistent with BIER over MPLS soluti= on. If using same thinking, BIER over MPLS seems to be not needed, directly= using BIER over Ethernet also can be suitable for MPLS network. [Xiaohu] Agree. You may be interested to read this draft (https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-xu-bier-encapsulation-02) which describes a non-MPLS encap= sulation for BIER. Another related question, for BIER Over Ethernet, one unique Ethernet type = is needed to identify BIER header is included. However,currently we don't h= ave the Ethernet Type. [Xiaohu] As for the non-MPLS encapsulation, I agree with you that we need a= n Ethertype code for BIER (see section 4 of https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra= ft-xu-bier-encapsulation-02#page-4). As for the MPLS-based encapsulation, t= he EtherType code for MPLS is enough. Best regards, Xiaohu weiguo ________________________________ From: Xuxiaohu Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 14:29 To: Haoweiguo; bier@ietf.org Subject: RE: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Hi Weiguo, It seems straightforward to use the protocol field within the BIER header t= o indicate the payload type of a BIER packet (e.g., MPLS, IP, VXLAN, VXLAN-= GPE, GRE/NVGRE, GENEVE, GUE). Best regards, Xiaohu From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:58 PM To: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 network Hi Folks, BIER can eliminate explicit multicast-specific tree building protocol and p= er-flow multicast forwarding state. If we want to use BIER as underlay tech= nology for VXLAN network, i am wondering what's the suitable encapsulation?= The possible solutions are as follows: 1. Encap: Ethernet header+BIER header+VXLAN header+Payload. BIER header is used as outer tunnel header, the next part is VXLAN header(= including VN ID), then the payload is inner most. The BIER header is used = to carry overlay BUM traffic, the regular VXLAN outer IP header is used to = carry Unicast traffic. At least one bit should be added to BIER header to identify the next part i= s VXLAN header. 2. Encap:Ethernet header+BIER header+Payload. Each VN ID corresponds to one= network topology, each NVE in one topology has one unique Bitstring index.= When egress NVE receives BIER header encapsulated traffic, it can find the= VN ID corresponds to the Bitstring. I also want to know are there any other possible solutions? What's the sugg= ested encapsulation for NVO3 BIER application? Your comments and discussions are appreciated. Thanks, weiguo --_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EECNKGEML512MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Weiguo,=

 = ;

From: Haoweiguo
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:50 PM
To: Xuxiaohu; bier@ietf.org
Subject: RE: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 net= work

 

Thanks Xiaohu. Your suggested solution is similar= to the first solution.  However, this solution seems to be not consis= tent with BIER over MPLS solution. If using same thinking, BIER over MPLS seems to be not needed, directly using BIER over Ethernet also c= an be suitable for MPLS network.

 

[Xiaohu] Agree. You may be i=
nterested to read this draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-bier-encapsu=
lation-02) which describes a non-MPLS encapsulation for BIER.

 

Another related question, for BIER Over Ethernet,= one unique Ethernet type is needed to identify BIER header is included. Ho= wever,currently we don't have the Ethernet Type.

 

[Xiaohu] As for the non-MPLS e= ncapsulation, I agree with you that we need an Ethertype code for BIER (see= section 4 of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-bier-encapsulation-02#page-4). = As for the MPLS-based encapsulation, the EtherType code for MPLS is enough.

 

Best regards,

Xiaohu

 

weiguo

From: Xuxiaohu
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 14:29
To: Haoweiguo; bier@ietf.org Subject: RE: How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 net= work

Hi Weiguo,=

 

It seems s= traightforward to use the protocol field within the BIER header to indicate= the payload type of a BIER packet (e.g., MPLS, IP, VXLAN, VXLAN-GPE, GRE/NVGRE, GENEVE, GUE).

 

Best regar= ds,

Xiaohu

 

From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:58 PM
To: bier@ietf.org
Subject: [Bier] How to use BIER as the underlay technology for NVO3 = network=

 

Hi Folks,

BIER can eliminate explicit multicast-specific tr= ee building protocol and per-flow multicast forwarding state. If we want to= use BIER as underlay technology for VXLAN network, i am wondering what's the suitable encapsulation? The possible solutions a= re as follows:=

1. Encap: Ethernet header+BIER header+VXL= AN header+Payload.

 BIER header is used as outer tunnel header,= the next part is VXLAN header(including VN ID), then the payload is inner = most.  The BIER header is used to carry overlay BUM traffic, the regular VXLAN outer IP header is used to carry Unicast traffic.=

 

At least one bit should be added to BIER header t= o identify the next part is VXLAN header.

 

2. Encap:Ethernet header+BIER header+Payl= oad. Each VN ID corresponds to one network topology, each NVE in one topolo= gy has one unique Bitstring index. When egress NVE receives BIER header encapsulated traffic, it can find the VN ID corresponds to the Bits= tring.<= /p>

 

 

I also want to know are there any other possible = solutions? What's the suggested encapsulation for NVO3 BIER application?

Your comments and discussions are appreciated.

 

Thanks,

weiguo

--_000_1FEE3F8F5CCDE64C9A8E8F4AD27C19EE0CB32EECNKGEML512MBSchi_-- From nobody Tue Sep 29 06:00:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E441B3BF7; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 05:59:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AzKAorDyxOhC; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 05:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2721B3BFE; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 05:59:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150929125955.20074.4728.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 05:59:55 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions-00.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 12:59:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication Working Group of the IETF. Title : BGP Extensions for BIER Authors : Xiaohu Xu Mach Chen Keyur Patel IJsbrand Wijnands Antoni Przygienda Filename : draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2015-09-23 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is a new multicast forwarding architecture which doesn't require an explicit tree-building protocol and doesn't require intermediate routers to maintain any multicast state. BIER is applicable in a multi-tenant data center network environment for efficient delivery of Broadcast, Unknown-unicast and Multicast (BUM) traffic while eliminating the need for maintaining a huge amount of multicast state in the underlay. This document describes BGP extensions for advertising the BIER-specific information. These extensions are applicable in those multi-tenant data centers where BGP instead of IGP is deployed as an underlay for network reachability advertisement. These extensions may also be applicable in other scenarios. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Sep 29 06:00:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8E31B3C0E; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZmhMSbtAt8dL; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17181B3BEB; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:00:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150929130022.20074.30277.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:00:22 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-00.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:00:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication Working Group of the IETF. Title : Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) Requirements for Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) Layer Authors : Greg Mirsky Erik Nordmark Carlos Pignataro Nagendra Kumar Sam Aldrin Lianshu Zheng Mach Chen Nobo Akiya Santosh Pallagatti Filename : draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-00.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2015-09-23 Abstract: This document describes a list of functional requirement toward Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) toolset in Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) layer of a network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/