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Well, why not?

But then again, just because we know how to encapsulate it doesn't mean we know
what it is!

Wouldn't it make some sense to advance the normatively referenced
draft-ietf-bier-architecture first?

Not saying that the use cases and problem statement I-Ds have to advance first
as well, but they do seem fundamental.

Why is this I-D currently on the Standards Track? The charter doesn't let us do
that. Is there an intent to re-charter or rebrand this document?

Thanks,
Adrian

> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> WG, wg-charis, authors,
> 
> I've re-read draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation and think it is ready
> for wglc! Anything that stops us from going ahead? Plese notify the
> mpls wg when the wglc is started.
> 
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This draft (draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation) should certainly be
Experimental now.

I do look forward to work on a deployment experiment draft as described in
the charter.

Regards,
Alia

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:

> Well, why not?
>
> But then again, just because we know how to encapsulate it doesn't mean we
> know
> what it is!
>
> Wouldn't it make some sense to advance the normatively referenced
> draft-ietf-bier-architecture first?
>
> Not saying that the use cases and problem statement I-Ds have to advance
> first
> as well, but they do seem fundamental.
>
> Why is this I-D currently on the Standards Track? The charter doesn't let
> us do
> that. Is there an intent to re-charter or rebrand this document?
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson
> > Sent: 20 April 2016 08:52
> > To: bier@ietf.org; bier-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bier-mpls-
> > encapsulation@ietf.org
> > Subject: [Bier] status of draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation
> >
> > WG, wg-charis, authors,
> >
> > I've re-read draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation and think it is ready
> > for wglc! Anything that stops us from going ahead? Plese notify the
> > mpls wg when the wglc is started.
> >
> > /Loa
> > --
> >
> >
> > Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
> > Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This draft (draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation) should cer=
tainly be Experimental now.<br><br>I do look forward to work on a deploymen=
t experiment draft as described in the charter.<br><br>Regards,<br>Alia<br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, May=
 17, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Adrian Farrel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:adrian@olddog.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well, why not?<br>
<br>
But then again, just because we know how to encapsulate it doesn&#39;t mean=
 we know<br>
what it is!<br>
<br>
Wouldn&#39;t it make some sense to advance the normatively referenced<br>
draft-ietf-bier-architecture first?<br>
<br>
Not saying that the use cases and problem statement I-Ds have to advance fi=
rst<br>
as well, but they do seem fundamental.<br>
<br>
Why is this I-D currently on the Standards Track? The charter doesn&#39;t l=
et us do<br>
that. Is there an intent to re-charter or rebrand this document?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Adrian<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: BIER [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org">bier-bounc=
es@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson<br>
&gt; Sent: 20 April 2016 08:52<br>
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lto:bier-chairs@ietf.org">bier-chairs@ietf.org</a>; draft-ietf-bier-mpls-<b=
r>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:encapsulation@ietf.org">encapsulation@ietf.org</a><b=
r>
&gt; Subject: [Bier] status of draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; WG, wg-charis, authors,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve re-read draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation and think it is re=
ady<br>
&gt; for wglc! Anything that stops us from going ahead? Plese notify the<br=
>
&gt; mpls wg when the wglc is started.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; /Loa<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt;<br>
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Based on last meeting minutes & request for call by authors, the following
drafts have been called for WG adoption:



draft-mirsky-bier-path-mtu-discovery-01
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bier-path-mtu-discovery/>



draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping-02
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping/>



draft-mirsky-bier-pmmm-oam-01
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bier-pmmm-oam/>



thanks


--- tony

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rg/doc/draft-mirsky-bier-pmmm-oam/" style=3D"color:purple">draft-mirsky-bie=
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The Yang model has been updated based on the WG comments and with that, the
minutes indicate we had a good consensus to adopt the work.

Any strong objections I call it for WG adoption in version -04 ?

-- tony

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The BIER WG has placed draft-chh-bier-bier-yang in state 
Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by A. Przygienda)

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Subject: [Bier] Fwd: [bess] Poll for adoption: draft-dolganow-bess-mvpn-expl-track-02
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Working Group,

this is a heads-up on a poll we have just launched in bess.
Please use the bess mailing list to express your opinion.

Thank you
-m


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Sujet : [bess] Poll for adoption: draft-dolganow-bess-mvpn-expl-track-02
Date : Mon, 30 May 2016 17:55:26 +0200
De : Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
Pour : bess@ietf.org
Copie à : draft-dolganow-bess-mvpn-expl-track@tools.ietf.org

Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-dolganow-bess-mvpn-expl-track-02 [1] as a Working Group Document.

Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in both cases,
please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until *the 13th of June*.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies
to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance
with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more
details).
If you are listed as an Author or Contributor of this Document please
respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers
from all the Authors and Contributors.
No IPR has been disclosed against this Document

If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please
explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet
been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

Martin & Thomas
bess chairs

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dolganow-bess-mvpn-expl-track

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