From nobody Fri Jul 1 07:21:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0080412D669; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:20:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wegTUrV0F06y; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97D1F12D666; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5951; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1467382838; x=1468592438; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=BB/y3S/ey7INxFiOeNwQyf2ERjNmZGutL+DUe9XJV4c=; b=HASMRu+oXu9fqnLp4yVFKTrmfnyL3Hkj7ndM3O5uebl+fCu646AZ7r+T t+vjTFGept++7uWgl9QS9rOezn+be2mLXDhWM2ZK4xAgAKzh5qVB/26nn aLHi055uPUxi6wCh3TdTyjqEg0I9p4g6lJxzoNWKKUToxN/Ksl6BHCs5W I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ACAgAKfHZX/5RdJa1dgz5WfAa5SoF7I?= =?us-ascii?q?oV2AoEvOBQBAQEBAQEBZSeETAEBBXkMBAIBCBEEAQEBJwcyFAkIAQEEAQ0FG4g?= =?us-ascii?q?VDgPEIAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARcFinWEIwEBhXYFjjmFCIVPAYYIi?= =?us-ascii?q?DuBaoRWgy57hEGGVokyAR42g3Buhz82fwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,557,1459814400"; d="scan'208";a="291808574" Received: from rcdn-core-12.cisco.com ([173.37.93.148]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 01 Jul 2016 14:20:23 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (xch-rcd-015.cisco.com [173.37.102.25]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u61EKNWJ017518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:20:23 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:20:23 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Fri, 1 Jul 2016 09:20:23 -0500 From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" To: Gregory Mirsky , Tal Mizrahi , "draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement@tools.ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comments about Overlay OAM Drafts Thread-Index: AdHPgQ8L7yui3SQ6S8i+8JhXelTIiwAPKBqAAAIJKnAAD6mBkADp5h2A Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:20:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7e12c3e474924b04b133da754e2f9cf8@IL-EXCH01.marvell.com> <48da4f66881d4accb182513b39744fc1@IL-EXCH01.marvell.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221AB8DC9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221AB8DC9@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.20.14] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <2D395EFF6D215548B7D4355C1395C3A5@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "bier@ietf.org" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "nvo3@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bier] Comments about Overlay OAM Drafts X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:20:41 -0000 Hi Tal, 6. Section 6 - certainly the OAM requirements have security implications. For example, OAM protocols may be subject to DoS attacks and to network recon. Some of these considerations are discussed in RFC 7276. The draft is listing the requirements and does not discuss about any solution or machinery. Accordingly, it does not introduce any security implications. I think the security consideration is applicable on the document that define the solutions. Does the below works: "This document list the OAM requirement for various Overlay network and does not raise any security considerations. Any document defining the solution for the above requirement must consider and include the relevant security mechanism=B2. Thanks, Nagendra On 6/26/16, 8:36 PM, "Gregory Mirsky" wrote: >Hi Tal, >many thanks for your thorough review of the documents by OOAM DT, greatly >appreciated. Please find my answers and notes in-line and tagged GIM>>. >We're preparing updates to both drafts and will reflect your comments in >the coming updates. > > Regards, > Greg > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tal Mizrahi [mailto:talmi@marvell.com] >Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 7:20 AM >To: Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar); >draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis@tools.ietf.org; >draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement@tools.ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org >Cc: bier@ietf.org; sfc@ietf.org; nvo3@ietf.org >Subject: RE: Comments about Overlay OAM Drafts > >Dear Nagendra, > >>The comments seems to be missing in the mail. Can you please share the >>same?. > >Strange... The comments seem to be visible in the mail archive >(https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtgwg/EPxJQcw9lOAIHV2HkRwNE6GVxAU). > >Nevertheless, here goes again: > > >Comments about draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement: >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement-00 > >A general question about the draft: does the draft define requirements >for operators, requirements for vendors, or requirements for IETF working >groups? These are three significantly different scopes, and reading the >document I was not able to assess who the requirements are intended for. > >Other comments: >1. Section 3: The term 'UCMP' is defined in Section 3, but not used in >the document. >GIM>> Good catch, will clear >2. The following terms are used in the draft without having been defined: >- 'OAM session' >- 'node' >- 'centralized controller' >- 'FM' >GIM>> While Fault Management is straightforward >3. Section 4.1.1: 'Reverse Defect Indication (RDI)' =3D=3D> RDI usually >stands for Remote Defect Indication. >GIM>> Indeed, thank you. Will update. >4. Section 4.1.2: "Overlay OAM MAY support verification of the mapping >between its data plane state and client layer services" - please clarify >further. >GIM>> We intend to provide solutions in the new document. But one use >case discussed in draft-nordmark-nvo3-transcending-traceroute. >5. Section 4.2: the terms 'active' and 'passive' have not been defined in >the current draft (you may want to cite RFC 7799). >Specifically, this clarification is necessary since the term 'passive' >according to RFC 7799 is slightly different than the term 'passive' in >draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark-00. >GIM>> Yes, and we are talking about measurement methods that can be used >"almost as passive" and explain the requirements toward the overlay to >achieve such behavior. >6. Section 6 - certainly the OAM requirements have security implications. >For example, OAM protocols may be subject to DoS attacks and to network >recon. Some of these considerations are discussed in RFC 7276. > > >Comments about draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis: >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis-01 > >1. I believe having an OAM gap analysis draft is a good idea. >GIM>> Thank you. >2. The current draft is still very preliminary, and some of the sections >are still empty.=20 >GIM>> we'll post update before the cut-off date to discuss it in Berlin. >3. Section 1: The introduction of the document goes way beyond the scope >of the title (Gap Analysis). The intro actually defines the baseline of >an Overlay OAM solution. Either this part should be removed from the >document, or the scope of the document should be redefined. >GIM>> I think it may justified as we list existing IETF OAM protocols. >Though we may move them out of the Introduction and into the new section. >4. Section 3.3: this section is unclear, and should probably be rephrased. >The section discusses both in-band telemetry and passive monitoring, and >it is not clear whether the two are related or not. >GIM>> We've discussed the telemetry and it could be collected using >active OAM, i.e. using injected OAM packets, or using passive-like >method. Interestingly to discussion in RFC 7799, telemetry collection may >use methods that could be characterized as hybrid methods as well. >5. Section 5: it looks like this text was copied from another draft, and >is not applicable to this document. >GIM>> Indeed, we've removed it in the working version. Contributions are >welcome and appreciated. > >Cheers, >Tal. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar) [mailto:naikumar@cisco.com] >>Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:16 PM >>To: Tal Mizrahi; draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-oam-gap-analysis@tools.ietf.org; >>draft- ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-requirement@tools.ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org >>Cc: bier@ietf.org; sfc@ietf.org; nvo3@ietf.org >>Subject: Re: Comments about Overlay OAM Drafts >> >>Hi Tal, >> >>The comments seems to be missing in the mail. Can you please share the >>same?. >> >>Thanks, >>Nagendra >> >>On 6/26/16, 4:12 AM, "Tal Mizrahi" wrote: >> >>>Dear OOAM Authors, >>> >>>I have read the two OOAM drafts, and I have some comments. 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"Exactly same path", should be made explicit if it's referring to the under= lay transport path. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic" will not apply to "R= EQ#3: centralized controller". I think "SHOULD" should be treated as a "MUST" if the reference is within t= he document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the "localization" maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have a "= MAY" requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. REQ#22 - REQ#25 refer to "per-segment". A "segment" maps to a NVO-tunnel? Shouldn't there be on a per-VNI basis a= s well. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3A0227568F4Dsadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <54A12C80EC4A9D47BC12A6E7B1505CFF@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

“Exactly same path”, should be made explicit if it’s refe= rring to the underlay transport path.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic&= #8221; will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller&#= 8221;.
I think “SHOULD” should be treated as= a “MUST” if the reference is within the document :)


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the “localization” maps to overlay node/link context ? Can= we have a “MAY” requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

REQ#22 — REQ#25 refer to “per-segment”. 
A “segment” maps to a NVO-tunnel?  Shouldn’t there b= e on a  per-VNI basis as well.

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

--_000_D3A0227568F4Dsadikshiciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Jul 4 04:09:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205A112B05E; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 04:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rbBiHeFbXflR; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 04:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC08812B03C; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 04:09:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=16124; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1467630568; x=1468840168; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=ukg/UQo52rFxmySbAJQbCKWM6GjYUyKOPAcumwkv1c8=; b=QngqqmXJh7EPTTEtPVMn70ZBZptFrZhA3PstJtQGnTwIqnBfCgqPrwbn bTkNnEuc0kn9kI5LsM+Fi2hGyThg3zJG+dONAdsKI4HB6RN1XbYkbV3m4 aA0XDhlHobLAdcEN5Z8B7279498kOwSyqxv8KC6YTGESXyPF1rf75ICWt U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BBAgD1QnpX/5FdJa1cgnBOVnwGtC2Cc?= =?us-ascii?q?oIPgXkihXYCgTQ4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RMAQEFLUwQAgEIEQMBAigHMhQJCAIEAQ0?= =?us-ascii?q?FiDAOuX8BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEXBYp1hE4ShTsFjjyFHYU6AYYIi?= =?us-ascii?q?D6BaoRWiGqQCQEeNoNwbogNfwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,574,1459814400"; d="scan'208,217";a="293219403" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 04 Jul 2016 11:09:26 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-012.cisco.com (xch-aln-012.cisco.com [173.36.7.22]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u64B9QEn020413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:09:26 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) by XCH-ALN-012.cisco.com (173.36.7.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 06:09:25 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com ([173.37.102.25]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 06:09:26 -0500 From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" , Gregory Mirsky , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "nvo3@ietf.org" , "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Thread-Index: AQHR1eSG9uAc9pVYcEa4KqSDjjMrVg== Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 11:09:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.20.11] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D39FBA4116A342naikumarciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:09:31 -0000 --_000_D39FBA4116A342naikumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. "Exactly same path", should be made explicit if it's referring to the under= lay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic" will not apply to "R= EQ#3: centralized controller". I think "SHOULD" should be treated as a "MUST" if the reference is within t= he document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the "localization" maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have a "= MAY" requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 - REQ#25 refer to "per-segment". A "segment" maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn't there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D39FBA4116A342naikumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

“Exactly same path”, should be made explicit if it’s refe= rring to the underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic&= #8221; will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller&#= 8221;.
I think “SHOULD” should be treated as= a “MUST” if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the “localization” maps to overlay node/link context ? Can= we have a “MAY” requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 — REQ#25 refer to “per-segment”. 
A “segment” maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn’t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

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I missed this one in the below email: >>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUST have the ability to discover and exercise equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network. This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM semanti= cs, which may not be possible in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing IP-c= ore network). Regards, Saumya. From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 PM To: sadikshi >, Gregory Mirsk= y >, "BIER = (bier@ietf.org)" = >, "sfc@ietf.org" >,= "nvo3@ietf.org" = >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. "Exactly same path", should be made explicit if it's referring to the under= lay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic" will not apply to "R= EQ#3: centralized controller". I think "SHOULD" should be treated as a "MUST" if the reference is within t= he document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the "localization" maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have a "= MAY" requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 - REQ#25 refer to "per-segment". A "segment" maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn't there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3A0A20568FC7sadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <0C2F24C0473AED42BE12D97790DE4DA6@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Nagendra,

Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email:

>>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUS=
T have the ability to discover and exercise
            equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network.

This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM se= mantics, which may not be possible 
in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing= IP-core network). 


Regards,
Saumya.


From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (= naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.co= m>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 = PM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

“Exactly same path”, should be made explicit if it’s refe= rring to the underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic&= #8221; will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller&#= 8221;.
I think “SHOULD” should be treated as= a “MUST” if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the “localization” maps to overlay node/link context ? Can= we have a “MAY” requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 — REQ#25 refer to “per-segment”. 
A “segment” maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn’t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

--_000_D3A0A20568FC7sadikshiciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Jul 5 05:51:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C69812D0FF; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 05:51:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160705125112.22275.56830.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 05:51:12 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping-03.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 12:51:12 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication of the IETF. Title : BIER Ping and Trace Authors : Nagendra Kumar Carlos Pignataro Nobo Akiya Lianshu Zheng Mach Chen Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping-03.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2016-07-05 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per- flow state. BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. The BIER header contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. The set of BFERs to which the multicast packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that correspond to those routers in the BIER header. This document describes the mechanism and basic BIER OAM packet format that can be used to perform failure detection and isolation on BIER data plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jul 5 08:00:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B8312D60D for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7zJZOC4yGkB for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x230.google.com (mail-qt0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BC9F12D612 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x230.google.com with SMTP id w59so102164309qtd.3 for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 08:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xebMOwCWTIKGy1mNIsS4Dzxu7ZBELoSWFYCj1duLhCw=; b=nyQXl0NEyWpNrq8QorAiZMBHIR6AflgDxqz3DpA9h/5ntoxOEM/sFV5TuRwmZcwfxD eT3FQHCPh7NQi+ZqHXz/4IAchQatcFbXRB/iRE5hJ7u2bR8ttTSQP6RQpPxdsSDlAXst 4VzPy345NIU3ppPotiDKLZZsCRdwKafHJy0SemC1NAiwp1EMdHUwfabDEUWyL6T2JvC9 zg4hOeZovrjoFk4mI96fPKhyT1qUdHOjWtS8R5rNyIEm1V/JgZP+HahLn+JnIxsdQvlF Qyqtsux6vwx3EoVQq3XSkJz7/FIt1bvcBNwkQwcvcZvEZPLLUK4CjDZ3kqIrvUR2Tg+L faSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=xebMOwCWTIKGy1mNIsS4Dzxu7ZBELoSWFYCj1duLhCw=; b=QUfOEF9R41GX0PfA5TEcmx1DlGIVnKLrdJzXWE6WU9bnS6y4mwJHTzzPxgm7Fg5oDq cK9nkpJvTYycfHHl/+0xLyy8jtNP0ocmabte/YQEwJ5F0/DEk7KeR8T3wSm/am+BBwBS c8ragr/Nlyxt4kSZSNek9sYA0wO+umIeu4PbISGz4NDYOMuqCDikQeC8KuluNWIxjYk8 swcZjhEu/sVOLct2E5Jc8l1XofDxyaq3rxr2DKHJRq1K1Lu3ll15Rz1Vgg8khy050Ze+ BYkbauHOiCz/dHC1kLn5jIXqxtgh2KRMOkrwF5h/YvZwKGXOV8Tl/pi51w+ELUwrFUXg MUQg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJkRkRhQm8e/yptVFdWVi68q6nt5eNDOM/o05dvBAfGE+DEqmNpp9/fNllAzMByEbiEKLF9WGIkTzV0Vg== X-Received: by 10.200.37.98 with SMTP id 31mr27211317qtn.82.1467730812435; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 08:00:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.33.100 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:00:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Shepherd Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:00:11 -0700 Message-ID: To: "bier@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11403cdcb393820536e4b58b Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 15:00:17 -0000 --001a11403cdcb393820536e4b58b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 *, We recently had a WG call for adoption for four IDs and received responses primarily form the authors only. 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We recently had a WG call for adopti= on for four IDs and received responses primarily form the authors only. At = the last WG meeting in Buenos Aires the support in the room was gauged as p= ositive, but we're going to need a larger - non-author - support from t= he working group in order to adopt these drafts.

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Subject: [Bier] Call for WG Adoptio= n: draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping

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 --_000_D3A153D916B2AEnaikumarciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Jul 5 09:10:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BE512D155 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:10:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 88qItMVvGFJ4 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB78712D0F9 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:10:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3287; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1467735006; x=1468944606; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=VumyWEuvHS5x6sEvMBXmyiNzRidV2TgVkiT1rkMlbE4=; b=aIqEu+yw5nspNI6mBqGJHX9LXKmr4vU0VZf6HiFN8slTrghjqf9SgIVR VeHAdnUu60FZt4GTR6CEVuSuCWc5jLDMlR/8xTGN/J26vQUBBDEosNr2o 6y7pqtsqo7IxQ0Dq+iyhQH6saMjt+68og3my0JBO4XaAEPEi59+dYSB7T 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0B7AgBy23tX/4gNJK1cgnBOVnwGhCKpD?= =?us-ascii?q?ocPhQGBdyKFdgKBNDgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhEwBAQUdbAIBCAQNAwECKAchERQJCAI?= =?us-ascii?q?EARKIFgMXDrZ8DYQlAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGgWGJ4RNgkOBTxEBPIU7B?= =?us-ascii?q?ZhfNAGGCIYughCBaoRWgy6FPIgXh3IBHjaDcG6HHzZ/AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.26,580,1459814400"; d="scan'208,217";a="122401612" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 05 Jul 2016 16:10:06 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-019.cisco.com (xch-rcd-019.cisco.com [173.37.102.29]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u65GA6n6006921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:10:06 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-018.cisco.com (173.37.102.28) by XCH-RCD-019.cisco.com (173.37.102.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:10:05 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-018.cisco.com ([173.37.102.28]) by XCH-RCD-018.cisco.com ([173.37.102.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 11:10:05 -0500 From: "Mahesh Sivakumar (masivaku)" To: "gjshep@gmail.com" , "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Bier] Call for WG Adoption: draft-chh-bier-bier-yang Thread-Index: AQHR1s7RHVbFsCUDikC2XdDdGGeub6AJ4LKA Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:10:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.4.160422 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.22.87] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D3A12A428CF43masivakuciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Call for WG Adoption: draft-chh-bier-bier-yang X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:10:10 -0000 --_000_D3A12A428CF43masivakuciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support as co-author. From: BIER > on behalf = of Greg Shepherd > Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" > Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 8:05 AM To: "bier@ietf.org" > Subject: [Bier] Call for WG Adoption: draft-chh-bier-bier-yang This email starts a two week timer for WG input on the adoption of: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chh-bier-bier-yang/ Please read and respond to this thread with or without your support for ado= ption of this draft. Participation in an IETF WG comes with the responsibil= ity to participate. Please do so. :-) Thanks, Greg (chairs) --_000_D3A12A428CF43masivakuciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Shephe= rd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" <gjshep@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 8:05= AM
To: "bier@ietf.org" <bier@i= etf.org>
Subject: [Bier] Call for WG Adoptio= n: draft-chh-bier-bier-yang

This email starts a two week timer for WG input on the ado= ption of:


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From: BIER > on behalf = of Greg Shepherd > Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" > Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 8:02 AM To: "bier@ietf.org" > Subject: [Bier] Call for WG Adoption: draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping This email starts a two week timer for WG input on the adoption of: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping-02 Please read and respond to this thread with or without your support for ado= ption of this draft. Participation in an IETF WG comes with the responsibil= ity to participate. Please do so. :-) Thanks, Greg (chairs) --_000_D3A12B0D8CF4Cmasivakuciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <082C0B8C3C685448A77585F797AF3D47@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support.

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Shephe= rd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" <gjshep@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 8:02= AM
To: "bier@ietf.org" <bier@i= etf.org>
Subject: [Bier] Call for WG Adoptio= n: draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping

This email starts a two week timer for WG input on the ado= ption of:


Please read and respond to this thread with or without your support fo= r adoption of this draft. Participation in an IETF WG comes with the respon= sibility to participate. Please do so. :-)

Thanks,
Greg (chairs)
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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 21:22:55 -0000 --001a1144b1d047bb8b0536ea0ead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yep, seconding that as co-chair and request participation. It is not enough NOT to vote (as lots of inhabitants of an island of the coast of Europe found out to their detriment recently ;-) -- tony --001a1144b1d047bb8b0536ea0ead Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yep, seconding that as co-chair and request participation.= It is not enough NOT to vote (as lots of inhabitants of an island of the c= oast of Europe found out to their detriment recently ;-)=C2=A0

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--001a1144b1d047bb8b0536ea0ead-- From nobody Tue Jul 5 16:17:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E9B12B032 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VmEhMChuU-Oi for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-us.alcatel-lucent.com (us-hpatc-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.18.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D024C12B02F for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 16:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70tumx1.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.18.13]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 7416E707C3CFB; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 23:17:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.63]) by us70tumx1.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u65NHj7r019582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jul 2016 23:17:45 GMT Received: from US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70twxchhub04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.36]) by us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u65NHj20014663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jul 2016 23:17:45 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.9.234]) by US70TWXCHHUB04.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 19:17:45 -0400 From: "Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG)" To: "gjshep@gmail.com" Thread-Topic: [Bier] Call for WG Adoption: draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping Thread-Index: AQHR1s5E7UsWni2YMk6fb/j2rkFkQKAKeUJ9 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 23:17:45 +0000 Message-ID: <6AD904D2-AE77-4D1B-8C45-23DCA337CCE1@nokia.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-CA X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6AD904D2AE774D1B8C4523DCA337CCE1nokiacom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "bier@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bier] Call for WG Adoption: draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 23:17:49 -0000 --_000_6AD904D2AE774D1B8C4523DCA337CCE1nokiacom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support Andrew Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2016, at 1:02 AM, Greg Shepherd > wrote: This email starts a two week timer for WG input on the adoption of: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping-02 Please read and respond to this thread with or without your support for ado= ption of this draft. Participation in an IETF WG comes with the responsibil= ity to participate. Please do so. :-) Thanks, Greg (chairs) _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier --_000_6AD904D2AE774D1B8C4523DCA337CCE1nokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Support.

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Shephe= rd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" <gjshep@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 11:0= 6 AM
To: "bier@ietf.org" <bier@i= etf.org>
Subject: [Bier] BIER WG call for Ad= option: mirsky-bier-pmmm-oam

This email starts a two week timer for WG input on the ado= ption of:


Please read and respond to this thread with or without your support fo= r adoption of this draft. Participation in an IETF WG comes with the respon= sibility to participate. Please do so. :-)

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Cg== --=_alternative 003144AC48257FE9_=-- From nobody Thu Jul 7 08:44:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DBD12D0A4; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:44:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160707154443.23783.19389.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 08:44:43 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-03.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 15:44:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from 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This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication of the IETF. Title : BIER Use Cases draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-03 .txt Authors : Nagendra Kumar Rajiv Asati Mach(Guoyi) Chen Xiaohu Xu Andrew Dolganow Tony Przygienda Arkadiy Gulko Dom Robinson Vishal Arya Caitlin Bestler Filename : draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-03.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2016-07-07 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per- flow state. BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. The BIER header contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. The set of BFERs to which the multicast packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that correspond to those routers in the BIER header. This document describes some of the use-cases for BIER. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-use-cases/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jul 8 06:15:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DAB12D59F for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 06:15:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.84 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.84 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, LOCALPART_IN_SUBJECT=1.107, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J8LDNqsvj7rL for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 06:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ED9412B058 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 06:15:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1585; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1467983724; x=1469193324; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version; bh=d+U6/iVrxqMnGv3olzk6a+N+Uh5CGuhoRUv4CmccEF0=; b=aDtIp9gGBTHnV10fYXv2ZUkVTqXb1kFGZre3OHrKrJ4OjMqcDgSG5kEU J4QdxKIoD2BDsQfDkEI/VWbivJ02vv2+rs33boPGz4/nTdhBsaEKeuDCw l3b+177RghaypsIkquXILXECNq3Q6DcYVHxHdEHOOfzdsze6cgHHDRifs c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0B2AgBwpn9X/4ENJK1bgz5WfLkUgXsih?= =?us-ascii?q?geBHjgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhE4EO0Q3NAWJBAgOni6fIgEBAQcBAQEBAR0FkAGCYII?= =?us-ascii?q?vBY4EdIochgyIOQqBao1ChlqJNB42hBEcMgGJMQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,330,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="126528519" Received: from alln-core-9.cisco.com ([173.36.13.129]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 08 Jul 2016 13:15:23 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u68DFNoN009515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 13:15:23 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u68DFNoB014968 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 06:15:23 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u68DFMRP014967 for bier@ietf.org; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 06:15:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 06:15:22 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <20160708131522.GA14772@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] bier: draft-eckert-bier-te drafts update X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 13:15:28 -0000 As suggested during BA meeting, we have split out FRR from the BIER-TE arch draft into a separate draft and posted updated docs for both. See changelog in -arch draft for details. Cheers Toerless > A new version of I-D, draft-eckert-bier-te-arch-04.txt > has been successfully submitted by Toerless Eckert and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-eckert-bier-te-arch > Revision: 04 > Title: Traffic Engineering for Bit Index Explicit Replication BIER-TE > Document date: 2016-07-08 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 28 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-eckert-bier-te-arch-04.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-bier-te-arch/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eckert-bier-te-arch-04 > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-eckert-bier-te-arch-04 > A new version of I-D, draft-eckert-bier-te-frr-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Toerless Eckert and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-eckert-bier-te-frr > Revision: 00 > Title: Fast ReRoute (FRR) Extensions for BIER-TE > Document date: 2016-07-08 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 10 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-eckert-bier-te-frr-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-bier-te-frr/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eckert-bier-te-frr-00 From nobody Fri Jul 8 08:08:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3AD12D1EA; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 08:08:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160708150815.32095.86376.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 08:08:15 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-05.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:08:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication of the IETF. Title : Encapsulation for Bit Index Explicit Replication in MPLS Networks Authors : IJsbrand Wijnands Eric C. Rosen Andrew Dolganow Jeff Tantsura Sam K Aldrin Israel Meilik Filename : draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-05.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2016-07-08 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "multicast domain", without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any per-flow state or to engage in an explicit tree-building protocol. When a multicast data packet enters the domain, the ingress router determines the set of egress routers to which the packet needs to be sent. The ingress router then encapsulates the packet in a BIER header. The BIER header contains a bitstring in which each bit represents exactly one egress router in the domain; to forward the packet to a given set of egress routers, the bits corresponding to those routers are set in the BIER header. The details of the encapsulation depend on the type of network used to realize the multicast domain. This document specifies the BIER encapsulation to be used in an MPLS network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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agenda items ASAP. And those on the agenda, please send slides. Our session is Monday, so we need to have the presentations uploaded by Sunday. I will not take a memory stick in the room. Thanks, Greg (chairs) On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > We have a couple of item requests coming in. Please send other to chairs. > Looking forward to seeing you all in Berlin! > > Cheers, > Greg > (chairs) > --001a1149e8e48456a80537c69fa2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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draft-chenvgovind= an-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A010mins =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ran= Chen
draft-wijnands-bier-mld-lan-election-01 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 10mins =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ice Wijnands
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draft-eckert-bier-te-frr =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 10mins =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Michael Menth
Future encap work discussion =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1hr =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Chair/WG

I'll be uploading this = soon, so please send any missing agenda items ASAP. And those on the agenda= , please send slides. Our session is Monday, so we need to have the present= ations uploaded by Sunday. I will not take a memory stick in the room.

Thanks,
Greg (chairs)

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:02= PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a couple of item requests coming= in. Please send other to chairs. Looking forward to seeing you all in Berl= in!

Cheers,
Greg
(chairs)

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Read the draft with interest.=C2=A0

Generally, not sure how it touches BIER specifically. I= t seems to specify RPL extensions. Yes, one could reuse the BIER bit mask t= o propagate a BLOOM filter instead of a perfect mask @ the benefit of '= set bit mask compression' vs. the cost of spurious transmissions as the= draft acknowledges where the degenerate case is a full broadcast. The acco= rding BIER procedures/approach is nowhere to be found in the draft though .= ..=C2=A0

As nit I didn't find in 6550 anything= talking about "storing mode" so a better reference is needed.=C2= =A0

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--001a11409f9a281fab0537d2e119-- From nobody Sun Jul 17 22:17:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F33D12D100 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:17:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Usg27QI5ESe for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x231.google.com (mail-qk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5511712D0F9 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id o67so148046092qke.1 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:16:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=dCluy9uw4TCJHihU4kXF2KDXBjbiNnW618w3ZB1/VyY=; b=LXyedUndzi2Gjbgf9AQWwwb9kYcyauF1hx5/RCgyr8CoMUAfAzqEoUsfNeFdDDoOMr DrZDNUYl5bxVuS1DJqMojnpxz7c336xZpd+7a2yLvmQaVchES6itJVMl2HCt784adZEZ qVPRHLtBKgZSIhlsV03t4uNdtqoSkrI/LPA5eN+P8ugKMNiutmQCdt6W3p0iZLUNokra cmL21eaThyOa+NrBISKZwS1o/Q4CdI36+yQVMuKdISKhA+AJwuD2NYz++DNXudqX45ms LErow889AOBxXjUdbcH/pgP7T8sVNPJhMl29Nl3t5Btw5kj3FpmIqoi6OtE5UYWidjzR Ys5g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dCluy9uw4TCJHihU4kXF2KDXBjbiNnW618w3ZB1/VyY=; b=J/rsRpRcZudXPFPPHK9TzMfHahpg2PfYZikF8fmgyDypPKrC6YlDWmHJ1VQTKdTM2a ts/SOFbRr+tf86FHlgJRq+gAJB8MDr9NJIjzkVQeZIgmypxh9CdRdAH9GjQe5ToDdZ+H /HfQrNkAjBTqG5kLtZZsFYWhMcUeZ7V2EYyK0ZAO51EL7WvVSFZXPhnXsXaUmFka15qG 6RuecgIwinWPcqvG9EQoZSxGCmNYV6cKAZF2SnoG/69bBusd+r4d7Vq+VvP6xKShJ02K wA/93IUHM0phdKDTRppxSSbuy7jYM6oy3wVVBtb7M8B9Yzt1+t1NvHTmiR9esMZR1N5E 2A0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKgdQf9ow4W7qOMd9UGoVS+4wsFf+S62+xZmcmUxzxmrx6YUngbLPw60Hyryaw9/WIvA7K6DQH08UHdZA== X-Received: by 10.55.209.5 with SMTP id s5mr39985521qki.179.1468819018383; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:16:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.44.231 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:16:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Greg Shepherd Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:16:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: "bier@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114798b2d4af230537e21383 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Call for WG Adoption: draft-chh-bier-bier-yang X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:17:01 -0000 --001a114798b2d4af230537e21383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There has been sufficient show of support to adopt: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chh-bier-bier-yang/ as a working BIER WG draft. The authors are here reminded that they are transferring change control for this document to the IETF. Please post the draft with a working group ID, and the chairs will approve. Thanks! Greg On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > This email starts a two week timer for WG input on the adoption of: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chh-bier-bier-yang/ > > Please read and respond to this thread with or without your support for > adoption of this draft. Participation in an IETF WG comes with the > responsibility to participate. Please do so. :-) > > Thanks, > Greg (chairs) > --001a114798b2d4af230537e21383 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There has been sufficient show of support to adopt:

as a w= orking BIER WG draft.

The authors are here reminde= d that they are transferring change control for this document to the IETF.<= /div>

Please post the draft with a working group ID, and= the chairs will approve.

Thanks!

Greg

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Greg Shepherd <= ;gjshep@gmail.com= > wrote:
This = email starts a two week timer for WG input on the adoption of:


Please read and respond to this threa= d with or without your support for adoption of this draft. Participation in= an IETF WG comes with the responsibility to participate. Please do so. :-)=

Thanks,
Greg (chairs)

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There has been sufficient show of support to adopt:

as= a working BIER WG draft.

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Please post the draft with a working group ID,= and the chairs will approve.

Thanks!
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On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com= > wrote:
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=

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Thanks,
Greg (chairs)

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https://tools.ietf.org/htm= l/draft-mirsky-bier-path-mtu-discovery-01

as a working BIER=C2=A0WG=C2=A0draft.
The authors are here reminded that the= y are transferring change control for this document to the IETF.

Please pos= t the draft with a working group ID, and the chairs will approve.

Thanks!
Greg

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Greg Sheph= erd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
This email starts a two week timer for WG input on the = adoption of:


Please read and respond to this thread with or without your support f= or adoption of this draft. Participation in an IETF WG comes with the respo= nsibility to participate. Please do so. :-)

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--94eb2c061e1c080d9e0537e21acc-- From nobody Sun Jul 17 22:19:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6712D12D100 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:19:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P2TfPoUsCwri for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x234.google.com (mail-qk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F4F312D0F9 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id x1so63185104qkb.3 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:19:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=su18uiaIvYRcc6FRKSkUOX6eVH0lTwIOJIuDtLJ17P4=; b=Ao5o0A5fHKcX6HjDKqs5X+JvvRvYsZmVYCt1V2/SX4+b8gAsiOB5J0fVQ4EJkgXKvq ar3kwcYQJD2Ar5rC5LyX7jgBIKKZ1c9lMG66N4KNIeOnmwUDSIsvWD3V7JpgbWUIhs4g Vr2XZUyr4I3Fs4FDdBkzUSgbrypZ15Vej/i6qGNUbdy2rvQgpwqEbLbzGDm8kqIZ1+J3 +AS7UAvq5ryhEUtqPwdZttGQ1pKKJ1/TeNEOK9phbxBlRJW0xEQWj+z2yIRsIx1e/MRR Tb+Tw3m0xkdgyL2XSPdb5JFcD+mo13LzdHtzjXkIhgnKuLk8vyxAPHv+F0LhakhZYEdd rDew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=su18uiaIvYRcc6FRKSkUOX6eVH0lTwIOJIuDtLJ17P4=; b=kl+J873gi0Y9GymmSj1j45ITir0aEuUd+6nULTBBiYcIHscTqgZ6DumvGSVNRDc8vT MtPAdVggPDJ5A3i0A0QfmMnh+CHmLrYfZmQxGQZGIg7LmcsK6fe2pQ7z+IBJMlmI7pmp t8kEJKq1s5BAtnqyTMRxw5owLjhfm9GVphjJVty0t1ZCaN9/3t+quxFGnnZHssa72t5n 48Bd3NUH1wU6vG9mW+kSXs/eU2BeM6xQmwTrmlykNC9fWL4g8XJW+U4yLEzUpQMLEKg1 nIRdOqGsKilc/9EoAYtE73dqtRA9jcA5/+GeFWbLctoCWZBB1ZCNsaVk9IwZA6RQIGJR oLQg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIMJlgbCgbHdU9M+cd59VXV2Oyuk3fMvrkEnaQeJMwJqWW+cHAHOTAkqEG95HM/y0canXdOcsiFaNZXbQ== X-Received: by 10.55.133.197 with SMTP id h188mr40873866qkd.165.1468819154363; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:19:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.44.231 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:19:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Greg Shepherd Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 22:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: To: "bier@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c072efeef6aac0537e21b77 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Call for WG Adoption: draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:19:17 -0000 --94eb2c072efeef6aac0537e21b77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There has been sufficient show of support to adopt: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping-02 as a working BIER WG draft. The authors are here reminded that they are transferring change control for this document to the IETF. Please post the draft with a working group ID, and the chairs will approve. Thanks! Greg On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > This email starts a two week timer for WG input on the adoption of: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumarzheng-bier-ping-02 > > Please read and respond to this thread with or without your support for > adoption of this draft. Participation in an IETF WG comes with the > responsibility to participate. Please do so. :-) > > Thanks, > Greg (chairs) > --94eb2c072efeef6aac0537e21b77 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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The authors are here reminded that they are transferring c= hange control for this document to the IETF.

Please post the draft with a w= orking group ID, and the chairs will approve.

Thanks!
Greg

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.co= m> wrote:
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Please read and respond to this th= read with or without your support for adoption of this draft. Participation= in an IETF WG comes with the responsibility to participate. Please do so. = :-)

Thanks,
Greg (chairs)

--94eb2c072efeef6aac0537e21b77-- From nobody Mon Jul 18 06:19:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D2A12DBB5; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:19:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160718131932.24894.78060.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:19:32 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery-00.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:19:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication of the IETF. Title : Path Maximum Transmission Unit Discovery (PMTUD) for Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) Layer Authors : Greg Mirsky Tony Przygienda Andrew Dolganow Filename : draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2016-07-18 Abstract: This document describes Path Maximum Transmission Unit Discovery (PMTUD) in Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (BIER) layer. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 18 07:01:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0270112DAA3; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:01:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160718140120.24882.67615.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:01:20 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-pmmm-oam-00.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:01:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication of the IETF. Title : Performance Measurement (PM) with Marking Method in Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) Layer Authors : Greg Mirsky Lianshu Zheng Mach Chen Giuseppe Fioccola Filename : draft-ietf-bier-pmmm-oam-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2016-07-18 Abstract: This document describes a passive performance measurement method for multicast service over Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) domain. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pmmm-oam/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-pmmm-oam-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 18 13:54:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180B312B00D; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:54:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160718205415.18141.39923.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:54:15 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-04.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:54:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication of the IETF. Title : Multicast VPN Using BIER Authors : Eric C. Rosen Mahesh Sivakumar Sam K Aldrin Andrew Dolganow Tony Przygienda Filename : draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-04.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2016-07-18 Abstract: The Multicast Virtual Private Network (MVPN) specifications require the use of multicast tunnels ("P-tunnels") that traverse a Service Provider's backbone network. The P-tunnels are used for carrying multicast traffic across the backbone. A variety of P-tunnel types are supported. Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is a new architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "multicast domain", without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any per-flow state or to engage in an explicit tree-building protocol. This document specifies the protocol and procedures that allow MVPN to use BIER as the method of carrying multicast traffic over an SP backbone network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mvpn/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 18 14:06:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA7A12B049; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:05:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160718210559.18166.65463.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:05:59 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-architecture-04.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:05:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication of the IETF. Title : Multicast using Bit Index Explicit Replication Authors : IJsbrand Wijnands Eric C. Rosen Andrew Dolganow Tony Przygienda Sam K Aldrin Filename : draft-ietf-bier-architecture-04.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2016-07-18 Abstract: This document specifies a new architecture for the forwarding of multicast data packets. It provides optimal forwarding of multicast packets through a "multicast domain". However, it does not require a protocol for explicitly building multicast distribution trees, nor does it require intermediate nodes to maintain any per-flow state. This architecture is known as "Bit Index Explicit Replication" (BIER). When a multicast data packet enters the domain, the ingress router determines the set of egress routers to which the packet needs to be sent. The ingress router then encapsulates the packet in a BIER header. The BIER header contains a bitstring in which each bit represents exactly one egress router in the domain; to forward the packet to a given set of egress routers, the bits corresponding to those routers are set in the BIER header. Elimination of the per- flow state and the explicit tree-building protocols results in a considerable simplification. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-architecture/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-architecture-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-architecture-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jul 19 03:51:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD8612D1D2; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:51:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.28.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160719105138.14502.33220.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 03:51:38 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-ping-00.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:51:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication of the IETF. Title : BIER Ping and Trace Authors : Nagendra Kumar Carlos Pignataro Nobo Akiya Lianshu Zheng Mach Chen Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-ietf-bier-ping-00.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2016-07-19 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per- flow state. BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. The BIER header contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. The set of BFERs to which the multicast packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that correspond to those routers in the BIER header. This document describes the mechanism and basic BIER OAM packet format that can be used to perform failure detection and isolation on BIER data plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-ping/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-ping-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please review and provide feedback before I upload them. Thanks, Greg (chairs) ----- == Chairs == Discussion about Future encapsulation is from, quote, one more encap, in the charter. Mpls ok, so discuss here which one to be. Documents are still in the experimental track, demands to go for standard track. Need at least live deployment to do so. Alia : wglc and review as a first serious conversation to go forth GregS: how to handle doc publication Alia: leave in the queue without requesting publication. Allow row modify the status on the fly == BGP-LS == No comments. Raise of hands show support for adoption. Validation to go on the mailing list == DR/DF Election == Slide 6 : ".G" in the formula to be clarified later Discussion on inconsistency periods, shall we go for a sticky behavior or not ? Ice answer: both are possible GregS: reason for the doc is not only bier, but people are asking for PIM-free networks, so it was ask to gather and discuss requirements in bier. Can be troublesome is some way, at least a review in other wg such as ospf or isis is needed to avoid to break the protocols. Furthermore as we don't want in bier to solve a global problem but to fit bier requirements, so maybe go for information and address the general problem in IGMP. PIM chair: people in PIM may be happy with that, just potential discussion on the hashing function. Ice answer : don't forget the draft also addresses the DF function, not just DA. == FRR extension == No questions. GregS: Expectation to ask for adoption? - Yes GregS: feedback is welcome and really needed == Discussion on encapsulation exploration == 1st question: what can't be addressed with the current architecture? Tony: New Encapsulation helps how? Bier is 2.5 Pierre Pfister: don't see bier as 2.5 but as layer-3. Really like BIER but sad not to be able to use natively in IPv6, need for another technology, and between bier with MPLS and crappy-old multicast I choose the latter because MPLS is too complicated Ice+Andrew Dolganow: MPLS use needs clarification. No MPLS control-plane machinery here, just a reuse of bits X.HU : need of more analysis to choose the right ones GregS: wg is experimental, not standard track. It is not about the multiple required encapsulation but just one to choose. PierreP: choice of IPv6 in spring was for good reason. GregCauchie: Simplicity is sought by everyone but simplicity is from where you stand, for ISP-folks it is usually MPLS and for datacenter folks it is more IPv6... so maybe there is no answer to "where MPLS breaks" as MPLS encoding can be pushed anywhere, but rather this is a question of "which one is the more natural candidate", and from spring discussions + bier history that followed segment-routing for multicast, maybe at the end IPv6 is the more natural candidate for a second encap. Alia: beware of IPv6 use, may not work today, so charter says one more encap but need for the group to achieve the charter and not be too distracted. Tony: after all the discussion it seems second encap will be a fork lift. Many body count to participate in a design team, will ask officially in the list to throw things around. Interim WG meeting for design team to be announced on the list - target is late Sept. --001a11404b904b3faf0537fe81c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Below are the minutes from Tuesday's WG meeting. Pleas= e review and provide feedback before I upload them.

Than= ks,
Greg (chairs)

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=3D=3D Chairs =3D=3D
Discussion about Future encapsulation = is from, quote, one more encap, in the charter. Mpls ok, so discuss here wh= ich one to be.
Documents are still in the experimental track, demands to go for stan= dard track. Need at least live deployment to do so.
Alia : wglc and review as a firs= t serious conversation to go forth
GregS: how to handle doc publication
Alia: leave in the qu= eue without requesting publication. Allow row modify the status on the fly<= /span>

=3D=3D BGP-LS =3D=3D
No comments. Raise of hands show support fo= r adoption. Validation to go on the mailing list

=3D=3D= DR/DF Election =3D=3D
Slide 6 : ".G" in the formula to be clarified later=
Discussi= on on inconsistency periods, shall we go for a sticky behavior or not ?
Ice answer: = both are possible
GregS: reason for the doc is not only bier, but people are asking = for PIM-free networks, so it was ask to gather and discuss requirements in = bier. Can be troublesome is some way, at least a review in other wg such as= ospf or isis is needed to avoid to break the protocols. Furthermore as we = don't want in bier to solve a global problem but to fit bier requiremen= ts, so maybe go for information and address the general problem in IGMP.
PIM chair: = people in PIM may be happy with that, just potential discussion on the hash= ing function.
Ice answer : don't forget the draft also addresses the DF function= , not just DA.

=3D=3D FRR extension =3D=3D
No questions.<= br style=3D"font-size:13px">GregS: Expectati= on to ask for adoption? - Yes
GregS: feedback is welcome and really needed
=3D=3D Discussion on encapsulation exploration =3D=3D
1st question: what = can't be addressed with the current architecture?

T= ony: New Encapsulation helps how? Bier is 2.5
Pierre Pfister: don't see bier as = 2.5 but as layer-3. Really like BIER but sad not to be able to use natively= in IPv6, need for another technology, and between bier with MPLS and crapp= y-old multicast I choose the latter because MPLS is too complicated<= br style=3D"font-size:13px">Ice+Andrew Dolga= now: MPLS use needs clarification. No MPLS control-plane machinery here, ju= st a reuse of bits

X.HU=C2=A0: need of = more analysis to choose the right ones
<= span style=3D"font-size:13px">GregS: wg is experimental, not standard track= . It is not about the multiple required encapsulation but just one to choos= e.

PierreP: choice of IPv6 in spring was for good reaso= n.
GregCa= uchie: Simplicity is sought by everyone but simplicity is from where you st= and, for ISP-folks it is usually MPLS and for datacenter folks it is more I= Pv6... so maybe there is no answer to "where MPLS breaks" as MPLS= encoding can be pushed anywhere, but rather this is a question of "wh= ich one is the more natural candidate", and from spring discussions + = bier history that followed segment-routing for multicast, maybe at the end = IPv6 is the more natural candidate for a second encap.


Alia: beware of IPv6 use, may not work today, = so charter says one more encap but need for the group to achieve the charte= r and not be too distracted.

Tony: after all the disc= ussion it seems second encap will be a fork lift.

Many body count to participate in a = design team, will ask officially in the list to throw things around.=C2=A0I= nterim WG meeting for design team to be announced on the list - target is l= ate Sept.
--001a11404b904b3faf0537fe81c4-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 02:05:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2916312B040 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:05:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2pbXo4OUG6JP for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usplmg21.ericsson.net (usplmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DB8A12DAFF for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 02:05:25 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f796f6d000000e1e-f6-578f3e8e15bc Received: from EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.87]) by usplmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id B5.3C.03614.E8E3F875; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:04:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB107.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.124]) by EUSAAHC005.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0294.000; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:05:23 -0400 From: Eric Gray To: "bier@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comments on PMTUD for BIER draft (draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery) Thread-Index: AdHiZdg5Wwdw5qMQSN2NiTdBv4I4gA== Importance: high X-Priority: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:05:23 +0000 Message-ID: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64A84AEE3@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.10] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64A84AEE3eusaamb107erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupkkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZXLonXLfPrj/c4N9nOYulM/YwWWzad4nR gcljyZKfTB5fLn9mC2CK4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4MqYtHIve8H9HsaK+3cnsjYwtpZ3MXJySAiY SDw9OZMZwhaTuHBvPVsXIxeHkMBRRokjiy6CJYQEljNKPPpXDWKzCWhIHLuzlhGkSERgAqPE 5INNrCAJYYEAiX9dV9lBbBGBUIlzb1cyQth6EpvuvAGzOQUEJH61z2KB2MYrMWXuSbB6FgFV iQ3vt4DZvAK+Epdb5oMtZgS66PupNUwgNrOAuMStJ/OZIHoFJJbsOQ91tajEy8f/WCFsJYlJ S8+xQtTnS8w8NJcNYqagxMmZT1gmMIrMQjJqFpKyWUjKIOI6Egt2f2KDsLUlli18zQxjnznw mAlZfAEj+ypGjtLigpzcdCPDTYzACDomwea4g3Fvr+chRgEORiUeXoXbfeFCrIllxZW5hxgl OJiVRHhbLPvDhXhTEiurUovy44tKc1KLDzFKc7AoifPqv1QMFxJITyxJzU5NLUgtgskycXBK NTBGF5z49v5iikjI+dkLbs87WjFt59pF/Q4rdV4fMuxcLTjRw/lUs7qOrptRwlWPmfO/+r+b JupZxvHh+ozkb4GrQ5syI9tZYqsVH+uKs36zfVI/u6VHpcrovc1u51rnXa/W+d5Y8D2x5Ovi gypNh5nmpidbi3bMfmXWZ2Rxx+SIvchdjzVzmJ8qsRRnJBpqMRcVJwIA3UgDfJwCAAA= Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] Comments on PMTUD for BIER draft (draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery) X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:05:33 -0000 --_000_48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64A84AEE3eusaamb107erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors, Comments/questions on PMTUD for BIER draft (NITs sent via separate mail): Introduction: For IPv6, fragmentation is not possible at hops along the route; even for I= Pv4, fragmentation may or may not occur (returning a "too big" ICMP error i= s an option, even when the "don't fragment" bit is not set). The second sentence is difficult to parse, incorrect for IPv6 (where discar= d is the only option), whether or not your intended statement applies to "m= ost cases" is largely dependent on usage (for real time and interactive app= lications, this efficiency may be an irrelevant consideration), and where p= erformance degradation occurs is largely a matter of implementation; I sugg= est replacing the sentence with one that reads along the lines of: "In many cases it is more efficient to use the largest size packets that ar= e less than or equal to the least MTU for any forwarding device along the r= outed path to the IP destination for these packets." You could, if you want, add another sentence after this to the effect that = this "least MTU" is known as Path MTU (PMTU). Because fragmentation is not guaranteed to occur, the fourth sentence shoul= d read "Fragmentation may occur ..." Also, possibly because of the wording chosen, the next to last sentence in = the first paragraph is incorrect. What an IP packet source needs to know is= the least MTU value that will be encountered along the current path (route= ) a set of packets will follow or, in some cases, the least MTU for all suc= h paths. As a related observation (which I would understand if you don't want to inc= lude in this text), the same is true for each successive hop along a routed= path. I think it might be useful to add a short paragraph at the end of the intro= duction section that points out that PMTU is of particular importance in mu= lticast usages, such as for BIER. Terminology: I believe the BIER-related terminology was previously defined in the BIER a= rchitecture draft. If that is true, you could simply omit these definition= s (you've already provided the reference and I believe you've also provided= an expansion with at least the first use of each in the draft), or you cou= ld list them in a single sentence, indicating that they are used as defined= in the BIER architecture draft or you could group them as terms defined in= that draft. Listing them as is currently done seems to imply that they ma= y not be used in this document as they were defined previously. Problem Statement: In the second paragraph - 1) I suggest inserting "possibly" before "through [a] series of ..." a= nd replacing "decreasing and increasing size ..." with "varying the size...= " The most direct approach is to start with the MTU of the local interface = and decrease if needed (in a common case, defined in RFC 1191, in a single = step); 2) it is - in the general case and for current mechanisms - more corre= ct to use "packet source" instead of "ingress node" and "packet destination= " instead of "egress." Also a response from the egress is not guaranteed i= n all cases for existing PMTU discovery mechanisms. So you should insert "= may." Note: I realize that the wording used is probably correct for the BIER case= , but in this text you are talking about current mechanisms. Has the case where the multicast tree is constructed using unicast shortest= paths been considered (i.e. - where the tree MTU can be determined as the = least MTU for the unicast paths from the root to each leaf)? Assuming that TCP is used (guaranteeing an Ack for each message), is the in= tent to exclude PMTU discovery specifically as defined in RFC 1191 in all s= ubsequent statements about what is possible using current PMTU discovery? T= he assumption of Ping use seems to be implied (which makes sense for the ta= rget application "BIER"). In section 3 (PMTUD Mechanism for BIER), is "multicast distribution path" r= eally the correct phrase? In the first bullet on page 5, should "links" be "paths" - and, if not, how= is "egress BIER links" meant to be interpreted? At the top of page 6, it is not clear what is meant by "BFIR MUST continue = sending probes using BMS until the bit string is clear or the discovery is = declared unsuccessful." AFAICT, we are not specifying anything about the r= etransmission feature (presumably including at least frequency, backoff, or= number of tries) - hence it seems to me that "BFIR sends probes using BMS = and its own (locally determined) retransmission procedures until either the= bit string is clear (contains no set bits), or until the BFIR retransmissi= on procedure terminates and PMTU discovery is declared unsuccessful." Sinc= e it is possible that a compliant locally determined retransmission procedu= re could terminate after a single transmission (I saw nothing to indicate a= minimum number of retransmissions if no response is received for a first o= ne - though possibly I missed it), the use of "MUST" seems extraordinary. In subsequent bullets, it seems to me that we might want to include "a BFIR= MUST have a locally defined retransmission procedure;" as one of the bulle= ts. As usual, the draft is otherwise well-written and extremely useful work. -- Eric --_000_48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64A84AEE3eusaamb107erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Authors,

 

Comments/questions on PMTUD for BIER draft (NITs = sent via separate mail):

 

Introduction:

For IPv6, fragmentation is not possible at hops a= long the route; even for IPv4, fragmentation may or may not occur (returnin= g a "too big" ICMP error is an option, even when the "don't = fragment" bit is not set).

 

The second sentence is difficult to parse, incorr= ect for IPv6 (where discard is the only option), whether or not your intend= ed statement applies to "most cases" is largely dependent on usag= e (for real time and interactive applications, this efficiency may be an irrelevant consideration), and where performance= degradation occurs is largely a matter of implementation; I suggest replac= ing the sentence with one that reads along the lines of:

"In many cases it is more efficient to use t= he largest size packets that are less than or equal to the least MTU for an= y forwarding device along the routed path to the IP destination for these p= ackets."

 

You could, if you want, add another sentence afte= r this to the effect that this "least MTU" is known as Path MTU (= PMTU).

 

Because fragmentation is not guaranteed to occur,= the fourth sentence should read "Fragmentation may occur ..."

 

Also, possibly because of the wording chosen, the= next to last sentence in the first paragraph is incorrect. What an IP pack= et source needs to know is the least MTU value that will be encountered alo= ng the current path (route) a set of packets will follow or, in some cases, the least MTU for all such paths= .

 

As a related observation (which I would understan= d if you don't want to include in this text), the same is true for each suc= cessive hop along a routed path.

 

I think it might be useful to add a short paragra= ph at the end of the introduction section that points out that PMTU is of p= articular importance in multicast usages, such as for BIER.

 

Terminology:

I believe the BIER-related terminology was previo= usly defined in the BIER architecture draft.  If that is true, you cou= ld simply omit these definitions (you've already provided the reference and= I believe you've also provided an expansion with at least the first use of each in the draft), or you could list them = in a single sentence, indicating that they are used as defined in the BIER = architecture draft or you could group them as terms defined in that draft. =  Listing them as is currently done seems to imply that they may not be used in this document as they were def= ined previously.

 

Problem Statement:

In the second paragraph –

1)      I suggest inserting “possibly” before &= #8220;through [a] series of …” and replacing "decreasing a= nd increasing size …" with "varying the size…" T= he most direct approach is to start with the MTU of the local interface and= decrease if needed (in a common case, defined in RFC 1191, in a single step);

2)      it is – in the general case and for current m= echanisms – more correct to use "packet source" instead of = "ingress node" and "packet destination" instead of &quo= t;egress."  Also a response from the egress is not guaranteed in = all cases for existing PMTU discovery mechanisms.  So you should insert "may.&= quot;

 

Note: I realize that = the wording used is probably correct for the BIER case, but in this text yo= u are talking about current mechanisms.

 

Has the case where the multicast tree is construc= ted using unicast shortest paths been considered (i.e. - where the tree MTU= can be determined as the least MTU for the unicast paths from the root to = each leaf)?

 

Assuming that TCP is used (guaranteeing an Ack fo= r each message), is the intent to exclude PMTU discovery specifically as de= fined in RFC 1191 in all subsequent statements about what is possible using= current PMTU discovery? The assumption of Ping use seems to be implied (which makes sense for the target applicat= ion “BIER”).

 

In section 3 (PMTUD Mechanism for BIER), is "= ;multicast distribution path" really the correct phrase?

 

In the first bullet o= n page 5, should “links” be “paths” – and, if= not, how is “egress BIER links” meant to be interpreted?<= /o:p>

 

At the top of page 6,= it is not clear what is meant by “BFIR MUST continue sending probes = using BMS until the bit string is clear or the discovery is declared unsucc= essful.”  AFAICT, we are not specifying anything about the retransmission feature (presumably including at least frequency,= backoff, or number of tries) – hence it seems to me that “BFIR= sends probes using BMS and its own (locally determined) retransmission procedures un= til either the bit string is clear (contains no set bits), or until the BFI= R retransmission procedure terminates and PMTU discovery is declared unsucc= essful.”  Since it is possible that a compliant locally determined retransmission procedure could terminate af= ter a single transmission (I saw nothing to indicate a minimum number of re= transmissions if no response is received for a first one – though pos= sibly I missed it), the use of “MUST” seems extraordinary.

 

In subsequent bullets= , it seems to me that we might want to include “a BFIR MUST have a lo= cally defined retransmission procedure;” as one of the bullets.<= /o:p>

 

As usual, the draft i= s otherwise well-written and extremely useful work.

 

--<= /p>

Eric

 

 

--_000_48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64A84AEE3eusaamb107erics_-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 06:03:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B9212D5F0; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:03:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0TwMzntd8qO; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7838812D1B8; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 06:03:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=25767; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469019799; x=1470229399; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=rm+9hHQJbvc/a4l7CFbN/cCYRGNO4dMskW2P5H+HnqQ=; b=DldcYxEjh3YGetQlpXnZIX1fw3qjKruRQlKbxZ9KV3rTYxt45cmpkDDL SL+JGV3v/lcJ+EpC0VCKs3tv43AIeYTRXrrPbNUzegSgA83MXGtbOgVQi hBcBMXEMtN951d3nawNqSGjJU4H7wDcFa+qIVlKw1/wOA9yzqdmRQtJDq k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0APAgDrdY9X/5pdJa1dgnFOVm4OBrZCg?= =?us-ascii?q?g+BeiKFeAKBLzgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhFwBAQUtOhIQAgEIEQMBAiEHBzIUCQgCBAE?= =?us-ascii?q?NBYgwDr1AAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBFwWGKoRNhBIRASoSGIUjBZNkh?= =?us-ascii?q?UIBhhKIT4FshFmIdJAfAR42g3Nuhjs2fwEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,394,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="127956444" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 20 Jul 2016 13:03:18 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-013.cisco.com (xch-aln-013.cisco.com [173.36.7.23]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6KD3IRo014535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:03:18 GMT Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com (173.36.7.24) by XCH-ALN-013.cisco.com (173.36.7.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:03:17 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) by XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:03:17 -0500 From: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" , "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" , Gregory Mirsky , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" , "sfc@ietf.org" , "nvo3@ietf.org" , "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" , "rtgwg@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Thread-Index: AQHR4ocViWBwwTTmV0mY2c9hkRwUbA== Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:03:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.5.160527 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.202.40] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D3B540DB6B713sadikshiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:03:26 -0000 --_000_D3B540DB6B713sadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly support the= OAM PDU semantics. * apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this in= formation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on= a per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If = It=92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the= request. This is will reduce the number of probes which need to be send to= perform the OAM functions. * It will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_= Set to them. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it = will help to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other sem= antics. Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding funct= ion-set In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they find = a place in existing document. I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. Thanks Saumya. From: nvo3 > on behalf = of sadikshi > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 PM To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org<= mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica Hi Nagendra, Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email: >>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUST have the ability to discover and exercise equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network. This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM semanti= cs, which may not be possible in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing IP-c= ore network). Regards, Saumya. From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 PM To: sadikshi >, Gregory Mirsk= y >, "BIER = (bier@ietf.org)" = >, "sfc@ietf.org" >,= "nvo3@ietf.org" = >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. =93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic=94 will not apply to = "REQ#3: centralized controller=94. I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MUST=94 if the reference is = within the document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn=92t there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3B540DB6B713sadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts

Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly suppor= t the OAM PDU semantics. 
  • apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this info= rmation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on a= per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If It= =92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the request. This is will reduce the numb= er of probes which need to be send to perform the OAM functions.
  • It= will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_Set to t= hem. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it will hel= p to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other semantics. = Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding function-set
In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they = find a place in existing document.
I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. 

Thanks
Saumya.

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of sadikshi &l= t;sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 = PM
To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (na= ikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com<= /a>>, Gregory Mirsky <= gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Nagendra,

Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email:

>>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUS=
T have the ability to discover and exercise
            equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network.=

This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM se= mantics, which may not be possible 
in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing= IP-core network). 


Regards,
Saumya.


From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (= naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.co= m>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 = PM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

=93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic= =94 will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller= =94.
I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MU= ST=94 if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. 
A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn=92t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

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This is what WG meetings should be - and some would say, used to be. >From a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull together a volunteer design team to look at the various encap options, and based on use-case/operational considerations/support the team will pick one additional encap to document and offer as a WG item. The expectation is the list of volunteers will attend an interim WG meeting were we will work together for 2-3 days to hash out the direction and details. This will be a physical meeting, but will accommodate remote participation as well. I would like to see this work published and available for further discussion to the group at large on the list before and in the room during the next WG meeting in November. Considering the requirements for interim meeting announcements, the soonest we can reasonably target an interim meeting is Sept. Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER Encap Design Team, please send email to the WG chairs. 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*,

Thank you to all who attended and co= ntributed to the lively discussion at the WG meeting in Berlin this week. T= his is what WG meetings should be - and some would say, used to be.

From a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull toge= ther a volunteer design team to look at the various encap options, and base= d on use-case/operational considerations/support the team will pick one add= itional encap to document and offer as a WG item. The expectation is the li= st of volunteers will attend an interim WG meeting were we will work togeth= er for 2-3 days to hash out the direction and details. This will be a physi= cal meeting, but will accommodate remote participation as well.
<= br>
I would like to see this work published and available for fur= ther discussion to the group at large on the list before and in the room du= ring the next WG meeting in November. Considering the requirements for inte= rim meeting announcements, the soonest we can reasonably target an interim = meeting is Sept.

Anyone wanting to volunteer as a = member of the BIER Encap Design Team, please send email to the WG chairs. W= e will compile the list, then target a suitable location and dates from the= re. We look forward to pulling this enthusiastic team together in one direc= tion.

Thanks,
Greg

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--94eb2c08bb207793dc05381a3dda-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 19:04:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE4212D8EA for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:04:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fpjkzqbk3zpH for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47F6712B03A for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:04:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3561; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469066682; x=1470276282; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=1EvHyoR+vW8ycrlGDkdurqsXHWmzWmDR+tBOmL2WtIc=; b=ggg72mH5CVhyf2i7bBQo+Wn/R5jxYMat+Ua/7qxT6Mm9rekxFuFHxQd5 Dj7Xb/dsXNCV2tBxBWV7FoQF07aMNOsbmhYd3KVUQTUkTu2noRa3vhZC5 Etlbqvtlc+QqaS5Y0y3tJJs9jjhGzJ4W8q3NfBU5yMRAwekzgVSmrouRI s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DtAgCHLJBX/4oNJK1dgz9WfLhhgXsih?= =?us-ascii?q?XgCgTU4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ0EOAYQNAQUBATg0CwULCxgJJQ8FEzYTFQGIGg69NAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARcFiXSBA4dsgi8Fjgt1iiWJEIVMCoFshFmDM?= =?us-ascii?q?IVFkCAeNoQTHDKEWoJ+AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,397,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="299702538" Received: from alln-core-5.cisco.com ([173.36.13.138]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 21 Jul 2016 02:04:41 +0000 Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (mcast-linux1.cisco.com [172.27.244.121]) by alln-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6L24em0011411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:04:41 GMT Received: from mcast-linux1.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u6L24aGU001937; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:04:36 -0700 Received: (from eckert@localhost) by mcast-linux1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id u6L24X6P001935; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:04:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 19:04:33 -0700 From: Toerless Eckert To: Tony Przygienda Message-ID: <20160721020433.GA29517@cisco.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Archived-At: Cc: "bier@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bier] comments on draft-bergmann-bier-ccast X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 02:04:44 -0000 Yes, quite inteesting. Listened to Carstens preso and had a chat with him afterwards. Read my comment on roll mailing list, i was mostly surprised about the target use case. Really an excellent use case for BIER-TE. Just throw IP multicast away ;-) Wrt to the logic: The basic concept is not RPL specific but could be applied elsewhere: Bloom-filter: Take eg: 256 bits, compress into 64 bits: Each of the 256 bits becomes eg: a randomn set of 4 of those 64 bits. You consider a bit set if all those 4 bits in the compressed 64 bit are set. So you match against a bitmask instead of a single bit in forwarding. You can effectively only use this if the trees are sparse (few bits set) else the number of false positives is getting too high. The exact stochastics still escapes me. And you could send to a denser group by just sending differrent copies. But how more efficient that is than doing thre same thing to BIER/BIER-TE - that type of comparison also escapes me. RPL storing mode means that the intermediate RPL routers have a routing table, non-storing mode means they don't - and the root sends packet with effectively a source route. BIER requires intermediate nodes to have BFER routes to build the BIFT. So you need storing mode. Most lightweight intermediate RPL router implementations don't seem to implement this (we implement it in IOS, but yeah... not lightweight ;-). So the draft describes the most simple BIER-TE like forwrding logic where every link/outgoing-interface is a "bit". If you don't need bitstring compression in a RPL network just use uncompressed bitstring, and you've got a very simple version of BIER-TE. And with storing routers, you could equally run BIER in these RPL networks. The 100,000$ problem to apply bloom filters to "normal" (non-RPL) BIER/BIER-TE environments are the false positives: In BIER-TE they can cause loops. And the bits can't be reset due to the bloom filter logic. If i remember BIER (no TE) well enough, we would at least get duplicates if we can not reset bits (not quite sure about loops). In RPL there is only a spanning tree from the root, so no alternative path / loops == false positives are only a little bit wasted bandwidth. The name BIER-TE for a RPL or any other spanning tree network is of course somewhat irritating. There's no real "TE" choise - there's only one path towards every receiver. Maybe call it BIER-HB2 (Hop-By-Hop-Bits). Cheers Toerless Free Cultural Education Program: If you order a Bit-Burger beer here in Germany, please do not expect patties or buns. Burger is just from Burg = castle. Alas, they also serve the beer without the castle. On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 04:08:24AM -0700, Tony Przygienda wrote: > Read the draft with interest. > > Generally, not sure how it touches BIER specifically. It seems to specify > RPL extensions. Yes, one could reuse the BIER bit mask to propagate a BLOOM > filter instead of a perfect mask @ the benefit of 'set bit mask > compression' vs. the cost of spurious transmissions as the draft > acknowledges where the degenerate case is a full broadcast. The according > BIER procedures/approach is nowhere to be found in the draft though ... > > As nit I didn't find in 6550 anything talking about "storing mode" so a > better reference is needed. > > --- tony > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Wed Jul 20 22:09:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FD512D9FA; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:09:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oOr2Jt-5m0C9; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [IPv6:2001:4b98:c:538::198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A8B712D9ED; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mfilter32-d.gandi.net (mfilter32-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.163]) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E20FB8B8; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:09:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter32-d.gandi.net Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.198]) by mfilter32-d.gandi.net (mfilter32-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gc-gMZjc0oI2; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:09:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 109.45.2.165 Received: from nar-3.local (ip-109-45-2-165.web.vodafone.de [109.45.2.165]) (Authenticated sender: cabo@cabo.im) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7F21FB8AC; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:09:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <579058F8.1040701@tzi.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:09:12 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.8 (Macintosh/20151105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Przygienda References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , "bier@ietf.org" , draft-bergmann-bier-ccast@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bier] comments on draft-bergmann-bier-ccast X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:09:20 -0000 Hi Tony, thanks for taking note of this draft. > Generally, not sure how it touches BIER specifically. It seems to > specify RPL extensions. Indeed. We used the "WG name" BIER in the draft at the time we submitted the first version because the BIER BOF was just happening and we weren't sure where this would end up. By now it is pretty clear this will end up in ROLL (if at all), but resubmitting the draft to create a new -00 just for a WG name change is confusing. > Yes, one could reuse the BIER bit mask to > propagate a BLOOM filter instead of a perfect mask @ the benefit of 'set > bit mask compression' vs. the cost of spurious transmissions as the > draft acknowledges where the degenerate case is a full broadcast. The > according BIER procedures/approach is nowhere to be found in the draft > though ... No, as we are indeed focusing on RPL. One very important thing we get from RPL is the rank, which allows us to avoid forwarding loops even though the individual routers are pretty much oblivious about the structure of the network (non-storing mode is based on source routes from the root of the destination-oriented directed acyclic graph, DODAG). So I wouldn't immediately know how to generalize the current approach to other underlying unicast routing protocols. But the use of bloom filters (instead of bitmaps) to identify a set of outgoing interfaces is probably extractable, if that is useful somewhere else. > As nit I didn't find in 6550 anything talking about "storing mode" so a > better reference is needed. Hmm, I find 81 places in there. (But Ccast is for non-storing mode.) 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Aka: 2048 NFER/receivers, 64 bits bitstring, max normal number of receivers ca. 16 for a packet. This could be very efficient in very large networks for "small-receiver-set". Aka: 2048 BFER/receivers. Maybe typically 16 receivers. This is not 100% tied to RPL. Consider a data-center with 100,000 VMs, with thousands of 'vlans', each hosting a typically a quite limited number of VMs. Instead of creating per-VLAN flood-state across the DC (which AFAIK gets complicated with all the overlay options involved), you could simply use maybe hmm... 256 ? bits bitstring. You need spanning tree forwarding (no redundancy). And you need some logic figuring out the intermediate interfaces in the bitstring. In RPL, the root does this. In a DC this could be more tricky. On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 07:09:12AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Hi Tony, > > thanks for taking note of this draft. > > > Generally, not sure how it touches BIER specifically. It seems to > > specify RPL extensions. > > Indeed. We used the "WG name" BIER in the draft at the time we submitted > the first version because the BIER BOF was just happening and we weren't > sure where this would end up. By now it is pretty clear this will end > up in ROLL (if at all), but resubmitting the draft to create a new -00 > just for a WG name change is confusing. > > > Yes, one could reuse the BIER bit mask to > > propagate a BLOOM filter instead of a perfect mask @ the benefit of 'set > > bit mask compression' vs. the cost of spurious transmissions as the > > draft acknowledges where the degenerate case is a full broadcast. The > > according BIER procedures/approach is nowhere to be found in the draft > > though ... > > No, as we are indeed focusing on RPL. > > One very important thing we get from RPL is the rank, which allows us to > avoid forwarding loops even though the individual routers are pretty > much oblivious about the structure of the network (non-storing mode is > based on source routes from the root of the destination-oriented > directed acyclic graph, DODAG). So I wouldn't immediately know how to > generalize the current approach to other underlying unicast routing > protocols. But the use of bloom filters (instead of bitmaps) to > identify a set of outgoing interfaces is probably extractable, if that > is useful somewhere else. > > > As nit I didn't find in 6550 anything talking about "storing mode" so a > > better reference is needed. > > Hmm, I find 81 places in there. (But Ccast is for non-storing mode.) > > Grüße, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll -- --- Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com From nobody Thu Jul 21 08:07:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AF712D5F9; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:07:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JGwWS14mGXsG; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22b.google.com (mail-it0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1BB412D5F8; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id u186so16415338ita.0; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:07:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hK+ZhivFdSEzVhbwuHzUxZzJoXMk62Ru1oE/UI91TWg=; b=kJBLURI3AaxvzZiaS4s/Pyb1/eX5u9hAZwKartIuKRgGVfJ9+orLBxSv1KrnlHns5K O9ykRwAHIB/fEedndl5i1TPL3QLj0jgedP3++jbVn4jAmcQWb/PBMSfSTUGgtkRG3BA5 IFKVfIQvPuwulcFiNxNFDqi4339kSOFZ914OLEMHVMVRLvZm+LAKZRIdpk+dL/5nEYic /CXhGfDfcQJ6dfw28TJtGx5pKEpgc6sHbB1vjM5USQSHHOlpd4oUEhxNem1AOFnfCFOc /No/d8X0M3MsZi9sEoE86PHsIqWRx/8lTZXvYqNBCwg5Ud4huqbhztp/Nc0gnsn2i/sz s+Sg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hK+ZhivFdSEzVhbwuHzUxZzJoXMk62Ru1oE/UI91TWg=; b=R2OtiGrlw03fPu/FMC7Dp9IlxfsK1u4Xec3PKScpTp5QAPgJ3bs9hlWpJEjemdwCrc L6d2AEKK/ZGwkF/MB96MbFXdsgqB9nyjgFzjzgm2lKT+Hq6VQ0Io41EARX1ygxi97QaH cJFjpWQrP3jafXZI1Wx5SStsmhBxUymJ+NXjprAOPTIWBR5UxibwqY0014EZEjN08ULb d4VHSOso00FAenn/EIDqtCa3NnzQyaJ5cee9KMQLRF4+CXYmWe4A+Ss7Hv45xvI2VKwW V6lOjDNS5AZ60Rs9r10Lb5ReIxJF5nu3/Pys8GH8Hh4x7eOVbSES26dYxcm6eA3+ym5q CiEA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIB5lSJ/YHMagC+io8n+lMe8uUc44k/AYKI3wvpHB9LpGQkcJNTLMK53tI9Tl0rvs9LPUrEgsBrYY6zYw== X-Received: by 10.36.103.214 with SMTP id u205mr6298533itc.88.1469113639312; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:07:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.158.82 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:06:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160721091318.GA21876@cisco.com> References: <579058F8.1040701@tzi.org> <20160721091318.GA21876@cisco.com> From: Tony Przygienda Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:06:40 -0700 Message-ID: To: Toerless Eckert Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114aa8d09b25c7053826ac68 Archived-At: Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , "bier@ietf.org" , draft-bergmann-bier-ccast@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bier] [Roll] comments on draft-bergmann-bier-ccast X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 15:07:22 -0000 --001a114aa8d09b25c7053826ac68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yep, all good discussion. Of all, I missed the possible looping for BIER of false positives. That needs treatment before the whole idea is feasible I think ... On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:13 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Thinking more of it (fun to analyse ;-): > > Without having done the math, i'd suspect this might be very efficient in > very large networks for small-receiver-sets. Aka: 2048 NFER/receivers, 64 > bits bitstring, max normal number of receivers ca. 16 for a packet. > > This could be very efficient in very large networks for > "small-receiver-set". > Aka: 2048 BFER/receivers. Maybe typically 16 receivers. > > This is not 100% tied to RPL. Consider a data-center with 100,000 VMs, > with thousands of 'vlans', each hosting a typically a quite limited > number of VMs. Instead of creating per-VLAN flood-state across the DC > (which AFAIK gets complicated with all the overlay options involved), > you could simply use maybe hmm... 256 ? bits bitstring. > > You need spanning tree forwarding (no redundancy). And you need some > logic figuring out the intermediate interfaces in the bitstring. In > RPL, the root does this. In a DC this could be more tricky. > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 07:09:12AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > Hi Tony, > > > > thanks for taking note of this draft. > > > > > Generally, not sure how it touches BIER specifically. It seems to > > > specify RPL extensions. > > > > Indeed. We used the "WG name" BIER in the draft at the time we submitte= d > > the first version because the BIER BOF was just happening and we weren'= t > > sure where this would end up. By now it is pretty clear this will end > > up in ROLL (if at all), but resubmitting the draft to create a new -00 > > just for a WG name change is confusing. > > > > > Yes, one could reuse the BIER bit mask to > > > propagate a BLOOM filter instead of a perfect mask @ the benefit of > 'set > > > bit mask compression' vs. the cost of spurious transmissions as the > > > draft acknowledges where the degenerate case is a full broadcast. The > > > according BIER procedures/approach is nowhere to be found in the draf= t > > > though ... > > > > No, as we are indeed focusing on RPL. > > > > One very important thing we get from RPL is the rank, which allows us t= o > > avoid forwarding loops even though the individual routers are pretty > > much oblivious about the structure of the network (non-storing mode is > > based on source routes from the root of the destination-oriented > > directed acyclic graph, DODAG). So I wouldn't immediately know how to > > generalize the current approach to other underlying unicast routing > > protocols. But the use of bloom filters (instead of bitmaps) to > > identify a set of outgoing interfaces is probably extractable, if that > > is useful somewhere else. > > > > > As nit I didn't find in 6550 anything talking about "storing mode" so= a > > > better reference is needed. > > > > Hmm, I find 81 places in there. (But Ccast is for non-storing mode.) > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll mailing list > > Roll@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > -- > --- > Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com > --=20 *We=E2=80=99ve heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could pr= oduce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true.* =E2=80=94Robert Wilensky --001a114aa8d09b25c7053826ac68 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yep, all good discussion. Of all, I missed the possible lo= oping for BIER of false positives. That needs treatment before the whole id= ea is feasible I think ...=C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 2:13 AM, Toerless Eckert <ecke= rt@cisco.com> wrote:
Thinki= ng more of it (fun to analyse ;-):

Without having done the math, i'd suspect this might be very efficient = in
very large networks for small-receiver-sets. Aka: 2048 NFER/receivers, 64 bits bitstring, max normal number of receivers ca. 16 for a packet.

This could be very efficient in very large networks for "small-receive= r-set".
Aka: 2048 BFER/receivers. Maybe typically 16 receivers.

This is not 100% tied to RPL. Consider a data-center with 100,000 VMs,
with thousands of 'vlans', each hosting a typically a quite limited=
number of VMs. Instead of creating per-VLAN flood-state across the DC
(which AFAIK gets complicated with all the overlay options involved),
you could simply use maybe hmm... 256 ? bits bitstring.

You need spanning tree forwarding (no redundancy). And you need some
logic figuring out the intermediate=C2=A0 interfaces in the bitstring. In RPL, the root does this. In a DC this could be more tricky.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 07:09:12AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> thanks for taking note of this draft.
>
> > Generally, not sure how it touches BIER specifically. It seems to=
> > specify RPL extensions.
>
> Indeed. We used the "WG name" BIER in the draft at the time = we submitted
> the first version because the BIER BOF was just happening and we weren= 't
> sure where this would end up.=C2=A0 By now it is pretty clear this wil= l end
> up in ROLL (if at all), but resubmitting the draft to create a new -00=
> just for a WG name change is confusing.
>
> > Yes, one could reuse the BIER bit mask to
> > propagate a BLOOM filter instead of a perfect mask @ the benefit = of 'set
> > bit mask compression' vs. the cost of spurious transmissions = as the
> > draft acknowledges where the degenerate case is a full broadcast.= The
> > according BIER procedures/approach is nowhere to be found in the = draft
> > though ...
>
> No, as we are indeed focusing on RPL.
>
> One very important thing we get from RPL is the rank, which allows us = to
> avoid forwarding loops even though the individual routers are pretty > much oblivious about the structure of the network (non-storing mode is=
> based on source routes from the root of the destination-oriented
> directed acyclic graph, DODAG).=C2=A0 So I wouldn't immediately kn= ow how to
> generalize the current approach to other underlying unicast routing > protocols.=C2=A0 But the use of bloom filters (instead of bitmaps) to<= br> > identify a set of outgoing interfaces is probably extractable, if that=
> is useful somewhere else.
>
> > As nit I didn't find in 6550 anything talking about "sto= ring mode" so a
> > better reference is needed.
>
> Hmm, I find 81 places in there.=C2=A0 (But Ccast is for non-storing mo= de.)
>
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>
> _______________________________________________
> Roll mailing list
> Roll@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll

--
---
Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com



--
=
We=E2=80=99ve heard that a million monkeys at a million ke= yboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the= Internet, we know that is not true.
=E2=80=94Robert Wilensky
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We = should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol without add= ing details of VNI, etc. Thanks, Deepak From: Rtg-ooam-dt > on behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" > Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6:03 AM To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" >, "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.or= g" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draf= t from Ron Bonica Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly support the= OAM PDU semantics. * apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this in= formation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on= a per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If = It=92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the= request. This is will reduce the number of probes which need to be send to= perform the OAM functions. * It will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_= Set to them. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it = will help to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other sem= antics. Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding funct= ion-set In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they find = a place in existing document. I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. Thanks Saumya. From: nvo3 > on behalf = of sadikshi > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 PM To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org<= mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica Hi Nagendra, Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email: >>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUST have the ability to discover and exercise equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network. This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM semanti= cs, which may not be possible in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing IP-c= ore network). Regards, Saumya. From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 PM To: sadikshi >, Gregory Mirsk= y >, "BIER = (bier@ietf.org)" = >, "sfc@ietf.org" >,= "nvo3@ietf.org" = >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. =93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic=94 will not apply to = "REQ#3: centralized controller=94. I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MUST=94 if the reference is = within the document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn=92t there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3B6922519326dekumarciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <1CC615140F76794E8D7C97E639AE7884@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Below requirement looks like deal with ability of OAM to be extensible= . We should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol withou= t adding details of VNI, etc.

Thanks,
Deepak

From: Rtg-ooam-dt <rtg-ooam-dt-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" <sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6= :03 AM
To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)= " <sadikshi@cisco.com>= , "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <= bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@ietf.o= rg" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [= Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts

Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly suppor= t the OAM PDU semantics. 
  • apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this info= rmation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on a= per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If It= =92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the request. This is will reduce the numb= er of probes which need to be send to perform the OAM functions.
  • It= will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_Set to t= hem. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it will hel= p to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other semantics. = Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding function-set
In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they = find a place in existing document.
I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. 

Thanks
Saumya.

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of sadikshi &l= t;sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 = PM
To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (na= ikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com<= /a>>, Gregory Mirsky <= gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Nagendra,

Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email:

>>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUS=
T have the ability to discover and exercise
            equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network.=

This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM se= mantics, which may not be possible 
in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing= IP-core network). 


Regards,
Saumya.


From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (= naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.co= m>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 = PM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

=93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic= =94 will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller= =94.
I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MU= ST=94 if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. 
A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn=92t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

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I think we should also new define TLVs in draft-ooamdt-rtgwg= -ooam-header or any alternative publication addressing the requirement. From: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)" = > Date: Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:07 AM To: sadikshi >, "Nagendra Kum= ar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Greg= ory Mirsky = >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draf= t from Ron Bonica Hi, Below requirement looks like deal with ability of OAM to be extensible. We = should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol without add= ing details of VNI, etc. Thanks, Deepak From: Rtg-ooam-dt > on behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" > Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6:03 AM To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" >, "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.or= g" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draf= t from Ron Bonica Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly support the= OAM PDU semantics. * apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this in= formation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on= a per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If = It=92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the= request. This is will reduce the number of probes which need to be send to= perform the OAM functions. * It will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_= Set to them. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it = will help to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other sem= antics. Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding funct= ion-set In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they find = a place in existing document. I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. Thanks Saumya. From: nvo3 > on behalf = of sadikshi > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 PM To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" >, Gregory Mirsky >, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org<= mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica Hi Nagendra, Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email: >>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUST have the ability to discover and exercise equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network. This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM semanti= cs, which may not be possible in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing IP-c= ore network). Regards, Saumya. From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" > Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 PM To: sadikshi >, Gregory Mirsk= y >, "BIER = (bier@ietf.org)" = >, "sfc@ietf.org" >,= "nvo3@ietf.org" = >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bon= ica HI Saumya, Please see inline.. Hi Greg, I have following queries on Overlay OAM Requirements: >>>>> REQ#6: Overlay OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic, i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction, i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test session. =93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path. Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it. "OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic=94 will not apply to = "REQ#3: centralized controller=94. I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MUST=94 if the reference is = within the document :) >>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUST support fault localization of Loss of Continuity check. Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management. MAY statement sounds reasonable. REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Multiple such= segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel. Shouldn=92t there be on a per-VNI basis as well. I think the granularity should definitely at per-VNI level. >>>>> REQ#7: Overlay OAM MUST support bi-directional OAM methods. Such OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in forward direction and out-of-band notification in the reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of the OAM test session. In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request and res= ponse) can be out-of-band, hence may need a mention here. I see. We will check this. Thanks for your comments. Regards, Nagendra Thanks Saumya From: nvo3 > on behalf = of Gregory Mirsky > Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:39 AM To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" >, "sfc@ietf.org" >, "nvo3@ietf.org" >, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" >, "rtgwg@ietf.org" > Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" > Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica Dear All, Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> = tag. The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Net= works: Gap Analysis. Regards, Greg --_000_D3B71C496BA4Csadikshiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Deepak. I think we should also new define TLVs in draft-ooamdt-rtgwg-ooam-header<= /span> or any alternative publication addressing the requirement.

From: "Deepak Kumar (dekumar)&= quot; <dekumar@cisco.com> Date: Friday, July 22, 2016 at 12:0= 7 AM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, "Nagendra Kumar Nainar= (naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.= com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <= bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@ietf.o= rg" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [= Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi,

Below requirement looks like deal with ability of OAM to be extensible= . We should add requirement regarding Extensibility for OAM protocol withou= t adding details of VNI, etc.

Thanks,
Deepak

From: Rtg-ooam-dt <rtg-ooam-dt-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)" <sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 6= :03 AM
To: "Saumya Dikshit (sadikshi)= " <sadikshi@cisco.com>= , "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <= bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@ietf.o= rg" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-ooam-dt] [nvo3] [= Bier] Comments to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Greg, Authors of ooam-dt set of drafts

Other than current requirements, it will be great to explicitly suppor= t the OAM PDU semantics. 
  • apply OAM function_set to group of VNI or band of VNI=92s and this info= rmation carried in same OAM PDU. Although the response can be discrete on a= per VNI basis based on how and where the response is triggered from. If It= =92s proxy from remote NVE, then the response can be a replication to the request. This is will reduce the numb= er of probes which need to be send to perform the OAM functions.
  • It= will be great to designate VNI=92s as L2 or L3 and apply function_Set to t= hem. This is implicitly derived in data-path, but for OAM PDUs, it will hel= p to make it explicit either via using some flags or some other semantics. = Hence we can carry bunch of L2 and L3 vnis with corresponding function-set
In case these are valid requirements, which I feel they are. Can they = find a place in existing document.
I can also come out with a peripheral draft defining these. 

Thanks
Saumya.

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of sadikshi &l= t;sadikshi@cisco.com>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 8:09 = PM
To: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (na= ikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.com<= /a>>, Gregory Mirsky <= gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>, "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [nvo3] [Bier] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

Hi Nagendra,

Thanks for the response. I missed this one in the below email:

>>>>> REQ#14: Overlay OAM MUS=
T have the ability to discover and exercise
            equal cost multipath (ECMP) paths in its transport network.=

This will require the underlay nodes/router/switches to support OAM se= mantics, which may not be possible 
in case of brownfield deployments (deploying NVO tunnels over existing= IP-core network). 


Regards,
Saumya.


From: "Nagendra Kumar Nainar (= naikumar)" <naikumar@cisco.co= m>
Date: Monday, July 4, 2016 at 4:39 = PM
To: sadikshi <sadikshi@cisco.com>, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>= , "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, "nvo3@= ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org&g= t;, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org&= quot; <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, = "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Comments= to OOAM Requirements draft from Ron Bonica

HI Saumya,

Please see inline..

Hi Greg,

I have following queries on  Overlay OAM Requirements:

>>>>> REQ#6:  Overlay OAM pac=
kets SHOULD be fate sharing with data traffic,
            i.e. in-band with the monitored traffic, i.e. follow exactly
            the same path as data plane traffic, in forward direction,
            i.e. from ingress toward egress end point(s) of the OAM test
            session.

=93Exactly same path=94, should be made explicit if it=92s referring to the= underlay transport path.

<Nagendra> Yes, that is the intention. We will clarify it.

"OAM packets SHOULD be fate sharing wit= h data traffic= =94 will not apply to "REQ#3:  centralized controller= =94.
I think =93SHOULD=94 should be treated as a =93MU= ST=94 if the reference is within the document :)
 


>>>>> REQ#11: Overlay OAM MUS=
T support fault localization of Loss of
            Continuity check.
Does the =93localization=94 maps to overlay node/link context ? Can we have= a =93MAY=94 requirement for mapping
it to underlay. Since in datacenter, with more of east-west traffic, there = might be deployment requirement
to narrow down to underlay for a speedier fault management.

<Nagendra> MAY statement sounds reasonable.

REQ#22 =97 REQ#25 refer to =93per-segment=94. 
A =93segment=94 maps to a NVO-tunnel? 

<Nagendra> Yes, a segment referes to NVO tunnel between NVEs. Mu= ltiple such segments may comprise an end-to-end tunnel.

 Shouldn=92t there be on a  per-VNI basis as well.

<Nagendra>I think  the granularity should definitely at per= -VNI level. 

>>>>> REQ#7:  Overlay OAM MUS=
T support bi-directional OAM methods.  Such
            OAM methods MAY combine in-band monitoring or measurement in
            forward direction and out-of-band notification in the
            reverse direction, i.e. from egress to ingress end point of
            the OAM test session.

In case of optical deployments like, fiber management (both request an= d response) can be out-of-band, hence may
need a mention here. 
<Nagendra> I see. We will check this.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Nagendra


Thanks
Saumya

From: nvo3 <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gregory Mir= sky <gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 1:3= 9 AM
To: "BIER (bier@ietf.org)" <bier@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org<= /a>" <sfc@ietf.org>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org">nvo3@ietf.org" <nvo3@ietf.org>, "rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org" <rtg-ooam-dt@ietf.org>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
Cc: "rbonica@juniper.net" <rbonica@juniper.net>
Subject: [nvo3] Comments to OOAM Re= quirements draft from Ron Bonica

Dear All,

Ron reviewed the Overlay OAM Requirements draft and shared his comments under RB> tag= . The attached copy has my responses in under GIM> tag as well. We invit= e members of BIER, NVO3, SCC and RTG WGs to join in the discussion. Appreci= ate you review, comments on OOAM Requirements draft and OAM for Overlay Networks: Gap Analysis.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

--_000_D3B71C496BA4Csadikshiciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Jul 25 00:01:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B015F126FDC; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 00:01:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160725070141.11449.34331.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 00:01:41 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang-00.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:01:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for BIER Protocol Authors : Ran Chen Fangwei Hu Zheng Zhang Xianxian Dai Mahesh Sivakumar Filename : draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang-00.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2016-07-24 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for BIER configuration and operation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please find responses and notes in-lined and tagged GIM>>. I've attached the version with the proposed changes and its diff to the pre= vious version. Regards, Greg From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric Gray Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 11:05 AM To: bier@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Bier] Comments on PMTUD for BIER draft (draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-= discovery) Importance: High Authors, Comments/questions on PMTUD for BIER draft (NITs sent via separate mail): Introduction: For IPv6, fragmentation is not possible at hops along the route; even for I= Pv4, fragmentation may or may not occur (returning a "too big" ICMP error i= s an option, even when the "don't fragment" bit is not set). The second sentence is difficult to parse, incorrect for IPv6 (where discar= d is the only option), whether or not your intended statement applies to "m= ost cases" is largely dependent on usage (for real time and interactive app= lications, this efficiency may be an irrelevant consideration), and where p= erformance degradation occurs is largely a matter of implementation; I sugg= est replacing the sentence with one that reads along the lines of: "In many cases it is more efficient to use the largest size packets that ar= e less than or equal to the least MTU for any forwarding device along the r= outed path to the IP destination for these packets." GIM>> Absolutely agree. And fragmentation is not supported not only for IPv= 6 but for MPLS and Ethernet that may be carried over a BIER domain. Accepte= d as suggested. You could, if you want, add another sentence after this to the effect that = this "least MTU" is known as Path MTU (PMTU). Because fragmentation is not guaranteed to occur, the fourth sentence shoul= d read "Fragmentation may occur ..." GIM>> Perhaps more complete list "Fragmentation or packet drop, silent or n= ot, may occur ..." work? Also, possibly because of the wording chosen, the next to last sentence in = the first paragraph is incorrect. What an IP packet source needs to know is= the least MTU value that will be encountered along the current path (route= ) a set of packets will follow or, in some cases, the least MTU for all suc= h paths. GIM>> Agree with minor note. To exercise all paths from the ingress border = router to the given set of destinations operator should run number of PMTUD= tests while changing the value of the Entropy field in the BIER header. I = think that discovering and exercising multipath in the BIER domain is outsi= de of the scope of this document. Hence the updated sentence: To avoid any of the listed above behaviors, the packet source must = find the value of the least MTU, i.e. PMTU, that will be encountered alo= ng the route that a set of packets will follow to reach the given set of destinations= . As a related observation (which I would understand if you don't want to inc= lude in this text), the same is true for each successive hop along a routed= path. GIM>> But that would be the case only if a BFR may act as BFIR. But if that= is the case, then an operator may request another PMTUD or configure the P= MTU to the value previously discovered for the downstream BFR. I think it might be useful to add a short paragraph at the end of the intro= duction section that points out that PMTU is of particular importance in mu= lticast usages, such as for BIER. Terminology: I believe the BIER-related terminology was previously defined in the BIER a= rchitecture draft. If that is true, you could simply omit these definition= s (you've already provided the reference and I believe you've also provided= an expansion with at least the first use of each in the draft), or you cou= ld list them in a single sentence, indicating that they are used as defined= in the BIER architecture draft or you could group them as terms defined in= that draft. Listing them as is currently done seems to imply that they ma= y not be used in this document as they were defined previously. GIM>> I understand your point but on number occasions was suggested to exp= licitly list all acronyms used in the document regardless whether they firs= t introduced in the document or defined elsewhere. Problem Statement: In the second paragraph - 1) I suggest inserting "possibly" before "through [a] series of ..." a= nd replacing "decreasing and increasing size ..." with "varying the size...= " The most direct approach is to start with the MTU of the local interface = and decrease if needed (in a common case, defined in RFC 1191, in a single = step); GIM>> Accepted. 2) it is - in the general case and for current mechanisms - more corre= ct to use "packet source" instead of "ingress node" and "packet destination= " instead of "egress." Also a response from the egress is not guaranteed i= n all cases for existing PMTU discovery mechanisms. So you should insert "= may." GIM>> Accepted. Note: I realize that the wording used is probably correct for the BIER case= , but in this text you are talking about current mechanisms. Has the case where the multicast tree is constructed using unicast shortest= paths been considered (i.e. - where the tree MTU can be determined as the = least MTU for the unicast paths from the root to each leaf)? GIM>> AFAIK, there's no restriction on how the multicast tree in the partic= ular BIER domain constructed. Ensuring the particular PMTU may be the const= rain used to calculate the tree. Assuming that TCP is used (guaranteeing an Ack for each message), is the in= tent to exclude PMTU discovery specifically as defined in RFC 1191 in all s= ubsequent statements about what is possible using current PMTU discovery? T= he assumption of Ping use seems to be implied (which makes sense for the ta= rget application "BIER"). GIM>> I recall several attempts to make multicast TCP work but I cannot rec= all any one that was successful. Thus we had chosen UDP-like. In section 3 (PMTUD Mechanism for BIER), is "multicast distribution path" r= eally the correct phrase? GIM>> Agreed and changed to "tree". In the first bullet on page 5, should "links" be "paths" - and, if not, how= is "egress BIER links" meant to be interpreted? GIM>> "BIER link" is logical link between two BFRs. Would the following tex= t be acceptable: MTU SHOULD be set to the minimal MTU value among all egress BIER links, logical links between this and downstream BFRs, that could be used to reach B's downstream BFERs; At the top of page 6, it is not clear what is meant by "BFIR MUST continue = sending probes using BMS until the bit string is clear or the discovery is = declared unsuccessful." AFAICT, we are not specifying anything about the r= etransmission feature (presumably including at least frequency, backoff, or= number of tries) - hence it seems to me that "BFIR sends probes using BMS = and its own (locally determined) retransmission procedures until either the= bit string is clear (contains no set bits), or until the BFIR retransmissi= on procedure terminates and PMTU discovery is declared unsuccessful." Sinc= e it is possible that a compliant locally determined retransmission procedu= re could terminate after a single transmission (I saw nothing to indicate a= minimum number of retransmissions if no response is received for a first o= ne - though possibly I missed it), the use of "MUST" seems extraordinary. GIM>> Agreed and accepted. In subsequent bullets, it seems to me that we might want to include "a BFIR= MUST have a locally defined retransmission procedure;" as one of the bulle= ts. GIM>> Accepted. As usual, the draft is otherwise well-written and extremely useful work. -- Eric --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221ADD623eusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Eric,

greatly appreciate your thorough review and the most= helpful and detailed comments.

Please find responses and notes in-lined and tagged = GIM>>.

I’ve attached the version with the proposed ch= anges and its diff to the previous version.

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;          Greg=

 

From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Eric Gray
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 11:05 AM
To: bier@ietf.org; draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery@tools.ietf.org=
Subject: [Bier] Comments on PMTUD for BIER draft (draft-ietf-bier-pa= th-mtu-discovery)
Importance: High

 

Authors,

 

Comments/questions on PMTUD for BIER draft (NITs = sent via separate mail):

 

Introduction:

For IPv6, fragmentation is not possible at hops a= long the route; even for IPv4, fragmentation may or may not occur (returnin= g a "too big" ICMP error is an option, even when the "don't = fragment" bit is not set).

 

The second sentence is difficult to parse, incorr= ect for IPv6 (where discard is the only option), whether or not your intend= ed statement applies to "most cases" is largely dependent on usag= e (for real time and interactive applications, this efficiency may be an irrelevant consideration), and where performance= degradation occurs is largely a matter of implementation; I suggest replac= ing the sentence with one that reads along the lines of:

"In many cases it is more efficient to use t= he largest size packets that are less than or equal to the least MTU for an= y forwarding device along the routed path to the IP destination for these p= ackets."

GIM>> Absolutely agree. And fragmentation i= s not supported not only for IPv6 but for MPLS and Ethernet that may be car= ried over a BIER domain. Accepted as suggested.

 

You could, if you want, add another sentence afte= r this to the effect that this "least MTU" is known as Path MTU (= PMTU).

 

Because fragmentation is not guaranteed to occur,= the fourth sentence should read "Fragmentation may occur ..."

GIM>> Perhaps more complete list “Fra= gmentation or packet drop, silent or not, may occur …” work?

 

Also, possibly because of the wording chosen, the= next to last sentence in the first paragraph is incorrect. What an IP pack= et source needs to know is the least MTU value that will be encountered alo= ng the current path (route) a set of packets will follow or, in some cases, the least MTU for all such paths= .

GIM>> Agree with minor note. To exercise al= l paths from the ingress border router to the given set of destinations ope= rator should run number of PMTUD tests while changing the value of the Entr= opy field in the BIER header. I think that discovering and exercising multipath in the BIER domain is outside of the = scope of this document. Hence the updated sentence:

        To avo= id any of the listed above behaviors, the packet source must find

        the va= lue of the least MTU, i.e. PMTU, that will be encountered along the route t= hat

        a= set of packets will follow to reach the given set of destinations.

 

As a related observation (which I would understan= d if you don't want to include in this text), the same is true for each suc= cessive hop along a routed path.

GIM>> But that would be the case only if a = BFR may act as BFIR. But if that is the case, then an operator may request = another PMTUD or configure the PMTU to the value previously discovered for = the downstream BFR.

 

I think it might be useful to add a short paragra= ph at the end of the introduction section that points out that PMTU is of p= articular importance in multicast usages, such as for BIER.

 

Terminology:

I believe the BIER-related terminology was previo= usly defined in the BIER architecture draft.  If that is true, you cou= ld simply omit these definitions (you've already provided the reference and= I believe you've also provided an expansion with at least the first use of each in the draft), or you could list them = in a single sentence, indicating that they are used as defined in the BIER = architecture draft or you could group them as terms defined in that draft. =  Listing them as is currently done seems to imply that they may not be used in this document as they were def= ined previously.

GIM>>  I understand your point but on = number occasions was suggested to explicitly list all acronyms used in the = document regardless whether they first introduced in the document or define= d elsewhere.

 

Problem Statement:

In the second paragraph –

1)      I suggest inserting “possibly” before &= #8220;through [a] series of …” and replacing "decreasing a= nd increasing size …" with "varying the size…" T= he most direct approach is to start with the MTU of the local interface and= decrease if needed (in a common case, defined in RFC 1191, in a single step);

GIM>> Accepted.

2)      it is – in the general case and for current m= echanisms – more correct to use "packet source" instead of = "ingress node" and "packet destination" instead of &quo= t;egress."  Also a response from the egress is not guaranteed in = all cases for existing PMTU discovery mechanisms.  So you should insert "may.&= quot;

GIM>> Accepted.

 

Note: I realize that = the wording used is probably correct for the BIER case, but in this text yo= u are talking about current mechanisms.

 

Has the case where the multicast tree is construc= ted using unicast shortest paths been considered (i.e. - where the tree MTU= can be determined as the least MTU for the unicast paths from the root to = each leaf)?

GIM>> AFAIK, there’s no restriction o= n how the multicast tree in the particular BIER domain constructed. Ensurin= g the particular PMTU may be the constrain used to calculate the tree.=

 

Assuming that TCP is used (guaranteeing an Ack fo= r each message), is the intent to exclude PMTU discovery specifically as de= fined in RFC 1191 in all subsequent statements about what is possible using= current PMTU discovery? The assumption of Ping use seems to be implied (which makes sense for the target applicat= ion “BIER”).

GIM>> I recall several attempts to make mul= ticast TCP work but I cannot recall any one that was successful. Thus we ha= d chosen UDP-like.

 

In section 3 (PMTUD Mechanism for BIER), is "= ;multicast distribution path" really the correct phrase?

GIM>> Agreed and changed to “treeR= 21;.

 

In the first bullet o= n page 5, should “links” be “paths” – and, if= not, how is “egress BIER links” meant to be interpreted?<= /o:p>

GIM>> “BIER link” is logical li= nk between two BFRs. Would the following text be acceptable:

MTU SHOULD be set to t= he minimal MTU value among all egress BIER links,

logical links between = this and downstream BFRs,

that could be used to = reach B's downstream BFERs;

 

At the top of page 6,= it is not clear what is meant by “BFIR MUST continue sending probes = using BMS until the bit string is clear or the discovery is declared unsucc= essful.”  AFAICT, we are not specifying anything about the retransmission feature (presumably including at least frequency,= backoff, or number of tries) – hence it seems to me that “BFIR= sends probes using BMS and its own (locally determined) retransmission procedures un= til either the bit string is clear (contains no set bits), or until the BFI= R retransmission procedure terminates and PMTU discovery is declared unsucc= essful.”  Since it is possible that a compliant locally determined retransmission procedure could terminate af= ter a single transmission (I saw nothing to indicate a minimum number of re= transmissions if no response is received for a first one – though pos= sibly I missed it), the use of “MUST” seems extraordinary.

GIM>> Agreed and accepted.

 

In subsequent bullets= , it seems to me that we might want to include “a BFIR MUST have a lo= cally defined retransmission procedure;” as one of the bullets.<= /o:p>

GIM>> Accepted.

 

As usual, the draft i= s otherwise well-written and extremely useful work.

 

--<= /p>

Eric

 

 

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Message-ID: To: "bier@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0629368751890538b4afa0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Alternate Encap Design Team - Call for volunteers X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 16:32:56 -0000 --94eb2c0629368751890538b4afa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thank you to the 9 responders so far to the call. I'm going to start a date/location poll for the current list of volunteers. If others are interested in joining, the call is still open. Please send email to the chairs requesting to be added. Thanks!, Greg On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > *, > > Thank you to all who attended and contributed to the lively discussion at > the WG meeting in Berlin this week. This is what WG meetings should be - > and some would say, used to be. > > From a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull together a volunteer > design team to look at the various encap options, and based on > use-case/operational considerations/support the team will pick one > additional encap to document and offer as a WG item. The expectation is the > list of volunteers will attend an interim WG meeting were we will work > together for 2-3 days to hash out the direction and details. This will be a > physical meeting, but will accommodate remote participation as well. > > I would like to see this work published and available for further > discussion to the group at large on the list before and in the room during > the next WG meeting in November. Considering the requirements for interim > meeting announcements, the soonest we can reasonably target an interim > meeting is Sept. > > Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER Encap Design Team, > please send email to the WG chairs. We will compile the list, then target a > suitable location and dates from there. We look forward to pulling this > enthusiastic team together in one direction. > > Thanks, > Greg > > > --94eb2c0629368751890538b4afa0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you to the 9 responders so far to the call. I'm = going to start a date/location poll for the current list of volunteers. If = others are interested in joining, the call is still open. Please send email= to the chairs requesting to be added.

Thanks!,
Greg

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
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Thank you to all who attended and contributed to the lively disc= ussion at the WG meeting in Berlin this week. This is what WG meetings shou= ld be - and some would say, used to be.

From a pol= l in the room, there was consensus to pull together a volunteer design team= to look at the various encap options, and based on use-case/operational co= nsiderations/support the team will pick one additional encap to document an= d offer as a WG item. The expectation is the list of volunteers will attend= an interim WG meeting were we will work together for 2-3 days to hash out = the direction and details. This will be a physical meeting, but will accomm= odate remote participation as well.

I would like t= o see this work published and available for further discussion to the group= at large on the list before and in the room during the next WG meeting in = November. Considering the requirements for interim meeting announcements, t= he soonest we can reasonably target an interim meeting is Sept.
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Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER Encap Des= ign Team, please send email to the WG chairs. We will compile the list, the= n target a suitable location and dates from there. We look forward to pulli= ng this enthusiastic team together in one direction.

Thanks,
Greg



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The call for hands in the room was just to gauge interest. The official call is here on the list and you need to respond on the list or you will not be included. Thanks, Greg On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > Thank you to the 9 responders so far to the call. I'm going to start a > date/location poll for the current list of volunteers. If others are > interested in joining, the call is still open. Please send email to the > chairs requesting to be added. > > Thanks!, > Greg > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > >> *, >> >> Thank you to all who attended and contributed to the lively discussion at >> the WG meeting in Berlin this week. This is what WG meetings should be - >> and some would say, used to be. >> >> From a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull together a volunteer >> design team to look at the various encap options, and based on >> use-case/operational considerations/support the team will pick one >> additional encap to document and offer as a WG item. The expectation is the >> list of volunteers will attend an interim WG meeting were we will work >> together for 2-3 days to hash out the direction and details. This will be a >> physical meeting, but will accommodate remote participation as well. >> >> I would like to see this work published and available for further >> discussion to the group at large on the list before and in the room during >> the next WG meeting in November. Considering the requirements for interim >> meeting announcements, the soonest we can reasonably target an interim >> meeting is Sept. >> >> Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER Encap Design Team, >> please send email to the WG chairs. We will compile the list, then target a >> suitable location and dates from there. We look forward to pulling this >> enthusiastic team together in one direction. >> >> Thanks, >> Greg >> >> >> > --94eb2c08bb20f64f8a0538b4cbab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
*,

Let me add, that if you DID NOT send= email to this request, you are not on the current list for the Alt Encap D= esign team. The call for hands in the room was just to gauge interest. The = official call is here on the list and you need to respond on the list or yo= u will not be included.

Thanks,
Greg

On Thu, J= ul 28, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Thank you to the 9 re= sponders so far to the call. I'm going to start a date/location poll fo= r the current list of volunteers. If others are interested in joining, the = call is still open. Please send email to the chairs requesting to be added.=

Thanks!,
Greg

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016= at 5:17 PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
*,=

Thank you to all who attended and contributed to the li= vely discussion at the WG meeting in Berlin this week. This is what WG meet= ings should be - and some would say, used to be.

F= rom a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull together a volunteer de= sign team to look at the various encap options, and based on use-case/opera= tional considerations/support the team will pick one additional encap to do= cument and offer as a WG item. The expectation is the list of volunteers wi= ll attend an interim WG meeting were we will work together for 2-3 days to = hash out the direction and details. This will be a physical meeting, but wi= ll accommodate remote participation as well.

I wou= ld like to see this work published and available for further discussion to = the group at large on the list before and in the room during the next WG me= eting in November. Considering the requirements for interim meeting announc= ements, the soonest we can reasonably target an interim meeting is Sept.

Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER = Encap Design Team, please send email to the WG chairs. We will compile the = list, then target a suitable location and dates from there. We look forward= to pulling this enthusiastic team together in one direction.
Thanks,
Greg




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The call for hands in the room was > just to gauge interest. The official call is here on the list and you need to > respond on the list or you will not be included. > > Thanks, > Greg > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Greg Shepherd > wrote: > > Thank you to the 9 responders so far to the call. I'm going to start a > date/location poll for the current list of volunteers. If others are > interested in joining, the call is still open. Please send email to the > chairs requesting to be added. > > Thanks!, > Greg > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Greg Shepherd > wrote: > > *, > > Thank you to all who attended and contributed to the lively discussion > at the WG meeting in Berlin this week. This is what WG meetings should > be - and some would say, used to be. > > From a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull together a > volunteer design team to look at the various encap options, and based on > use-case/operational considerations/support the team will pick one > additional encap to document and offer as a WG item. The expectation is > the list of volunteers will attend an interim WG meeting were we will > work together for 2-3 days to hash out the direction and details. This > will be a physical meeting, but will accommodate remote participation as > well. > > I would like to see this work published and available for further > discussion to the group at large on the list before and in the room > during the next WG meeting in November. Considering the requirements for > interim meeting announcements, the soonest we can reasonably target an > interim meeting is Sept. > > Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER Encap Design Team, > please send email to the WG chairs. We will compile the list, then > target a suitable location and dates from there. We look forward to > pulling this enthusiastic team together in one direction. > > Thanks, > Greg > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > From nobody Thu Jul 28 10:41:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F5412D0B6 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IPITZ_pdaoM6 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59E1312B04E for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:41:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6696; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1469727669; x=1470937269; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=DfyOHFKr1S9uJdKQs4Sb1TBrj5H6dL3v2khXVom4604=; b=mf+QABvVrfZNq4sXDlvdKSQto8PTecYW0d/Ncsk6WRGu8jJ7TaZ6Hd48 iAQtvpHNl9wZ7I6+q1COWXfANrCABvk+792idICjMjDg0aOiSUtRxjx7r sR4wQ8CgVYfcFwHZBp5S3AEnI3zsjVZkCA6myPYzz78xCBaYPk+Cqv9ms 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0A5AgDeQppX/5JdJa1dg0VWfKxXhxuFB?= =?us-ascii?q?YF9JIV5AoE2OBQBAQEBAQEBXRwLhF0BBQEBG1ELEAIBCD8HIQYLFBECBA4FiBc?= =?us-ascii?q?DFw63Yw2EFAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARcFhiqBeAiCTYE5AYEJgU8RA?= =?us-ascii?q?YNIgi8Fk3CFDjQBjEmCM4FrhFqIeogohAaDdwEeNoIRAQ0PgUxuh0yBNQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,434,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="302833185" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 28 Jul 2016 17:41:08 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-003.cisco.com (xch-aln-003.cisco.com [173.36.7.13]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6SHf8QI029520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:41:08 GMT Received: from xch-aln-005.cisco.com (173.36.7.15) by XCH-ALN-003.cisco.com (173.36.7.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:41:07 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-005.cisco.com ([173.36.7.15]) by XCH-ALN-005.cisco.com ([173.36.7.15]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Thu, 28 Jul 2016 12:41:07 -0500 From: "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" To: "gjshep@gmail.com" Thread-Topic: [Bier] Alternate Encap Design Team - Call for volunteers Thread-Index: AQHR4uVDAnWvqqj0zEOM56I/c1EC16AuaWeAgAACN4D//70IMA== Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:41:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_A0B35B455ADB4571BFD1E76BFC38DF8Dciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "bier@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bier] Alternate Encap Design Team - Call for volunteers X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:41:11 -0000 --_000_A0B35B455ADB4571BFD1E76BFC38DF8Dciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to volunteer. Cheers, Rajiv On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Greg Shepherd > wrote: *, Let me add, that if you DID NOT send email to this request, you are not on = the current list for the Alt Encap Design team. The call for hands in the r= oom was just to gauge interest. The official call is here on the list and y= ou need to respond on the list or you will not be included. Thanks, Greg On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Greg Shepherd > wrote: Thank you to the 9 responders so far to the call. I'm going to start a date= /location poll for the current list of volunteers. If others are interested= in joining, the call is still open. Please send email to the chairs reques= ting to be added. Thanks!, Greg On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Greg Shepherd > wrote: *, Thank you to all who attended and contributed to the lively discussion at t= he WG meeting in Berlin this week. This is what WG meetings should be - and= some would say, used to be. >From a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull together a volunteer d= esign team to look at the various encap options, and based on use-case/oper= ational considerations/support the team will pick one additional encap to d= ocument and offer as a WG item. The expectation is the list of volunteers w= ill attend an interim WG meeting were we will work together for 2-3 days to= hash out the direction and details. This will be a physical meeting, but w= ill accommodate remote participation as well. I would like to see this work published and available for further discussio= n to the group at large on the list before and in the room during the next = WG meeting in November. Considering the requirements for interim meeting an= nouncements, the soonest we can reasonably target an interim meeting is Sep= t. Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER Encap Design Team, plea= se send email to the WG chairs. We will compile the list, then target a sui= table location and dates from there. We look forward to pulling this enthus= iastic team together in one direction. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier --_000_A0B35B455ADB4571BFD1E76BFC38DF8Dciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to volunteer. 

Cheers,
Rajiv  


On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:

*,

Let me add, that if you DID NOT send email to this request, you are no= t on the current list for the Alt Encap Design team. The call for hands in = the room was just to gauge interest. The official call is here on the list = and you need to respond on the list or you will not be included.

Thanks,
Greg

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Greg Shepherd <= span dir=3D"ltr"> <gjshep@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
Thank you to the 9 responders so far to the call. I'm goin= g to start a date/location poll for the current list of volunteers. If othe= rs are interested in joining, the call is still open. Please send email to = the chairs requesting to be added.

Thanks!,
Greg

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM= , Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
*,

Thank you to all who attended and contributed to the lively discussion= at the WG meeting in Berlin this week. This is what WG meetings should be = - and some would say, used to be.

From a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull together a volunt= eer design team to look at the various encap options, and based on use-case= /operational considerations/support the team will pick one additional encap= to document and offer as a WG item. The expectation is the list of volunteers will attend an interim WG meetin= g were we will work together for 2-3 days to hash out the direction and det= ails. This will be a physical meeting, but will accommodate remote particip= ation as well.

I would like to see this work published and available for further disc= ussion to the group at large on the list before and in the room during the = next WG meeting in November. Considering the requirements for interim meeti= ng announcements, the soonest we can reasonably target an interim meeting is Sept.

Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER Encap Design Team,= please send email to the WG chairs. We will compile the list, then target = a suitable location and dates from there. We look forward to pulling this e= nthusiastic team together in one direction.

Thanks,
Greg




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Regards, Femi From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rajiv Asati (rajiva) Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 6:41 PM To: gjshep@gmail.com Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bier] Alternate Encap Design Team - Call for volunteers I would like to volunteer. Cheers, Rajiv On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Greg Shepherd > wrote: *, Let me add, that if you DID NOT send email to this request, you are not on the current list for the Alt Encap Design team. The call for hands in the room was just to gauge interest. The official call is here on the list and you need to respond on the list or you will not be included. Thanks, Greg On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Greg Shepherd > wrote: Thank you to the 9 responders so far to the call. I'm going to start a date/location poll for the current list of volunteers. If others are interested in joining, the call is still open. Please send email to the chairs requesting to be added. Thanks!, Greg On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Greg Shepherd > wrote: *, Thank you to all who attended and contributed to the lively discussion at the WG meeting in Berlin this week. This is what WG meetings should be - and some would say, used to be. >From a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull together a volunteer design team to look at the various encap options, and based on use-case/operational considerations/support the team will pick one additional encap to document and offer as a WG item. The expectation is the list of volunteers will attend an interim WG meeting were we will work together for 2-3 days to hash out the direction and details. This will be a physical meeting, but will accommodate remote participation as well. I would like to see this work published and available for further discussion to the group at large on the list before and in the room during the next WG meeting in November. Considering the requirements for interim meeting announcements, the soonest we can reasonably target an interim meeting is Sept. Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER Encap Design Team, please send email to the WG chairs. We will compile the list, then target a suitable location and dates from there. We look forward to pulling this enthusiastic team together in one direction. Thanks, Greg _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier --_000_b50a96f40dee4a5a814fc1566feef0edEMEAWPEXMB11corpbrocade_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would like to volunteer.=

 

Regards,

Femi

 

From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf= .org] On Behalf Of Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 6:41 PM
To: gjshep@gmail.com
Cc: bier@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bier] Alternate Encap Design Team - Call for volunteer= s

 

I would like to volunteer. 

Cheers,

Rajiv  

 


On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:

*,

 

Let me add, that if you DID NOT send email to this r= equest, you are not on the current list for the Alt Encap Design team. The = call for hands in the room was just to gauge interest. The official call is= here on the list and you need to respond on the list or you will not be included.

 

Thanks,

Greg

 

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Greg Shepherd <<= a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Thank you to the 9 responders so far to the call. I'= m going to start a date/location poll for the current list of volunteers. I= f others are interested in joining, the call is still open. Please send ema= il to the chairs requesting to be added.

 

Thanks!,

Greg

 

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Greg Shepherd <<= a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

*,

 

Thank you to all who attended and contributed to the= lively discussion at the WG meeting in Berlin this week. This is what WG m= eetings should be - and some would say, used to be.

 

From a poll in the room, there was consensus to pull= together a volunteer design team to look at the various encap options, and= based on use-case/operational considerations/support the team will pick on= e additional encap to document and offer as a WG item. The expectation is the list of volunteers will attend = an interim WG meeting were we will work together for 2-3 days to hash out t= he direction and details. This will be a physical meeting, but will accommo= date remote participation as well.

 

I would like to see this work published and availabl= e for further discussion to the group at large on the list before and in th= e room during the next WG meeting in November. Considering the requirements= for interim meeting announcements, the soonest we can reasonably target an interim meeting is Sept.

 

Anyone wanting to volunteer as a member of the BIER = Encap Design Team, please send email to the WG chairs. We will compile the = list, then target a suitable location and dates from there. We look forward= to pulling this enthusiastic team together in one direction.

 

Thanks,

Greg

 

 

 

 

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