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--_000_E45D7DC6050B4AD28BE65B198AA977BFjiscacuk_-- From nobody Mon Nov 14 01:01:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BEF1295C4 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:01:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dn6w--RRcZ0G for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-us.alcatel-lucent.com (us-hpatc-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.18.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F1AB1296E7 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from us70tumx1.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.18.13]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id A1ADCBB366EBC; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:00:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.63]) by us70tumx1.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id uAE90tfZ009885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:00:55 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.48]) by us70tusmtp1.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id uAE90ssF007794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:00:54 GMT Received: from US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.9.91]) by US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.48]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 04:00:54 -0500 From: "Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG)" To: Tim Chown Thread-Topic: [Bier] Draft BIER minutes, IETF 97 Thread-Index: AQHSPlWbgatYVS9Z30iycOct/gmQWg== Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:00:54 +0000 Message-ID: <05F1C34C-4CDC-49F0-A4A5-AB4C1CD36057@nokia.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-CA X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_05F1C34C4CDC49F0A4A5AB4C1CD36057nokiacom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "bier@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Bier] Draft BIER minutes, IETF 97 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:01:03 -0000 --_000_05F1C34C4CDC49F0A4A5AB4C1CD36057nokiacom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An extra point I made to capture in the minutes on relaxing 256-bit in arch= itecture draft: I mentioned I support that and we should not use that to re-open bitstring = length for MPLS enacap - no new info was presented to warrant that. Andrew Sent from my iPhone On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Tim Chown > wrote: The draft minutes are on the etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-97-bier?useMonospaceFont= =3Dtrue Tim _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier --_000_05F1C34C4CDC49F0A4A5AB4C1CD36057nokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An extra point I made to capture in the minutes on relaxing 256-bit in= architecture draft:

I mentioned I support that and we should not= use that to re-open bitstring length for MPLS enacap - no new info was pre= sented to warrant that. 

Andrew

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On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:

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charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can edit the Etherpad... -- Tim On 14 Nov 2016, at 09:01, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG) > wrote: An extra point I made to capture in the minutes on relaxing 256-bit in arch= itecture draft: I mentioned I support that and we should not use that to re-open bitstring = length for MPLS enacap - no new info was presented to warrant that. Andrew Sent from my iPhone On Nov 14, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Tim Chown > wrote: The draft minutes are on the etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-97-bier?useMonospaceFont= =3Dtrue Tim _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier --_000_86DD88F89EE842AA89FB9578E427689Ajiscacuk_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You can edit the Etherpad...

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On 14 Nov 2016, at 09:01, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG) <andrew.dolganow@nokia.com> wrote:

An extra point I made to capture in the minutes on relaxing 256-bit in= architecture draft:

I mentioned I support that and we should not= use that to re-open bitstring length for MPLS enacap - no new info was pre= sented to warrant that. 

Andrew

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And who would want an arbitrary address talk to your ingress suggesting you want this thing replicated as BIER. c) taking the BML out of architecture draft is goodness. It was over specifying, I agree ... Rest looks good. I suggested to Ice as well to add to the MPLS/Ether encaps draft that "you can use the BIFT-IDs and MPLS labels in the same deployment if you don't want/need new ether encaps type but it's up to you to make sure the spaces do not overlap" I do agree with Ice (after some conversations with HW vendors) that pushing the fields before bit mask is good. Imagine what will happen to your pipeline processing when the masks become really long in the future possibly ... Now is the time to make this change. --- tony On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > The draft minutes are on the etherpad: > > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-97-bier? > useMonospaceFont=3Dtrue > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > --=20 *We=E2=80=99ve heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could pr= oduce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true.* =E2=80=94Robert Wilensky --001a11449ee8a23c960541474833 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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First= , I was astonished to see I talked in my sleep ;-) =C2=A0Or someone else im= personated me ;-) Pls correct my name to the person that really stated thos= e things.=C2=A0

2nd, on a more serious note: v6man needs= to look @ minimum two other items I don't see mentioned=C2=A0

a) checksums, especially UDP, implications=C2=A0
b) security architecture, AFAIS AH and so on falls flat on its face when a= ddresses change in mid-flight and with that the whole IPSEC. And who would = want an arbitrary address talk to your ingress suggesting you want this thi= ng replicated as BIER.=C2=A0
c) taking the BML out of architectur= e draft is goodness. It was over specifying, I agree ...=C2=A0
Rest looks good. I suggested to Ice as well to add to the MPLS= /Ether encaps draft that "you can use the BIFT-IDs and MPLS labels in = the same deployment if you don't want/need new ether encaps type but it= 's up to you to make sure the spaces do not overlap"=C2=A0

I do agree with Ice (after some conversations with HW ven= dors) that pushing the fields before bit mask is good. Imagine what will ha= ppen to your pipeline processing when the masks become really long in the f= uture possibly ... Now is the time to make this change.=C2=A0

--- tony=C2=A0

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Keeping the Generic format identical is highly desirable. This can be achie= ved by making a new non-MPLS header follow the =93legacy=94 MPLS BIER heade= r format (4 octets of the header after the BitString) or modify the header = as presented by Ice. Since there seemed to be some agreement already on mod= ifying the header (BitString last, 4 octets that, among others, contain OAM= bit BFR-ID, DSCP (if applicable) going that way make sense. Andrew On 2016-11-14, 7:24 PM, "Tim Chown" wrote: You can edit the Etherpad... -- Tim On 14 Nov 2016, at 09:01, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG) > wrote: An extra point I made to capture in the minutes on relaxing 256-bit in arch= itecture draft: I mentioned I support that and we should not use that to re-open bitstring = length for MPLS enacap - no new info was presented to warrant that. 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To the group and a follow up on the discussion on the BIER header chan= ge after some further discussion with Ice.

Keeping the Generic format identical is highly desirable. This can be = achieved by making a new non-MPLS header follow the =93legacy=94 MPLS BIER = header format (4 octets of the header after the BitString) or modify the he= ader as presented by Ice. Since there seemed to be some agreement already on modifying the header (BitString las= t, 4 octets that, among others, contain OAM bit BFR-ID, DSCP (if applicable= ) going that way make sense.

Andrew

On 2016-11-14, 7:24 PM, "Tim Chown" wrote:

You can edit the Etherpad...

--
Tim

On 14 Nov 2016, at 09:01, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG) <andrew.dolganow@nokia.com> wrote:

An extra point I made to capture in the minutes on relaxing 256-bit in= architecture draft:

I mentioned I support that and we should not= use that to re-open bitstring length for MPLS enacap - no new info was pre= sented to warrant that. 

Andrew

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