From nobody Thu Feb 1 02:23:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D79112D848; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 02:23:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JMOPJgOnwMud; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 02:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B36412EBE2; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 02:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id z6so18626171iob.11; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 02:23:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=EPweEPaGwcoJXKD77/EUEqGIhD1ZVdMXTMQ25Dm/w04=; b=Ei/WEyr44QOrQdRvrZuDTgMX79bEmbwphWpHYYqyt/UJZY4sOBCF2MRQH91B7urfQv eA5EDHaABSDEUyaX3HwBkhRMFt+he7EM5Vd3QgTRPEMZ6f4mQO82kjA7WxMSe0YRnkbi Meskwct8JnOo/7kSxnLkaNEx1T6g2okyox4dWvQ0FpXrTcOefsxnkCRALJChe3qpn/IC cC5dttkrJhQVj3anZ2JtYJ2e4lYGRm06fxLxZy8M+hr3oYRhCMckJvieVZwPeSJWNWQd Uambd7IcnQUW5CnYPpyKQ/Ajf8JhTJgc2Mt96k9hdk2vpxzsCO+eWlslWPGUUwuH+5ce yiXw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EPweEPaGwcoJXKD77/EUEqGIhD1ZVdMXTMQ25Dm/w04=; b=hSxlZE+QuCXi4PnLXf3xUbbNc+Q2sNq97ApJdkvedr+dcdNWjUwyDU+kHYgOllXnj6 uOSUOFXcBGCDGSclMihbPU2xQMAtEyHmlfppqetI+5KK2C/L+8/2UE1AbdCddTAzxB28 /F9ln6MriXpilMdAtwAtG8qd789RlqqH2y4CGoOa1uw+/YZP3PDVX5WnyUDSK1IFAsRg ic8q4FxpjjXE5dgPiHUgJBvV3iRo/VD2ysohINKmavbi6R7Wz3eKb3FhLADG2C4eUQR1 ugM9h9UxM9MLCUn759GJ9KGEfvASWMkyQCAwpI8gwXJWiGBguYISU9KFFNAzpa++FZ7B 5erg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytd79wlJfULZE7TpYqrTI7oOSfA/xk+oSpz7x62Ixf7jPEWRYyaM S4WVHPkz95tJVDeJW2LbI5CyA4i60KJIBAo02jQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2240nDQxM403uJHQmi8UqftSeG7NvcMHByG78dvc/OwgA26VoCnCBm711L1pYL5aLz+IgLcUmfDbV+OLBBuVNeQ= X-Received: by 10.107.35.84 with SMTP id j81mr35779604ioj.226.1517480598736; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 02:23:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.165.149 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 02:23:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20170725195211.GA7411@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20170721062741.GA3215@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <567fdbe4992c4207b54c77b1ec8cd0cd@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> <20170722133419.GA18218@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <37e324dc58454778b70c72255066536f@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <20170725195211.GA7411@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Greg Shepherd Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 02:23:18 -0800 Message-ID: To: Toerless Eckert Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Tony Przygienda , "Hannes Gredler (hannes@gredler.at)" , "bier@ietf.org" , "isis-wg@ietf.org list" , Christian Hopps Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1141ba460ab3ba056423fc65" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 10:23:24 -0000 --001a1141ba460ab3ba056423fc65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Have these changes been reflected in the draft? We're in WGLC but this discussion needs to come to a conclusion so we can progress. Greg On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Thanks, Less, that would be lovely! > > I didn't check the OSPF draft, if its similar state, explanatory text wold > equally be appreciated. > > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:28:08PM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > > Toerless - > > > > I am thinking to add a statement in Section 4.1 - something like: > > > > "At present, IS-IS support for a given BIER domain/sub-domain is limited > to a single area - or to the IS-IS L2 sub-domain." > > > > If you believe this would be helpful I will spin a new version (subject > to review/agreement from my co-authors). > > > > Les > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de] > > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:34 AM > > > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > > > Cc: Tony Przygienda; Hannes Gredler (hannes@gredler.at); Greg > Shepherd; > > > bier@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org list; Christian Hopps > > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04 > > > > > > Thanks Les > > > > > > When searching various terms in the doc to figure out what happens i > am not > > > sure why i missed this one. > > > > > > But: IMHO, RFCs can not only be the minimum number of words to get a > > > running implementation. It also needs to specify what this > implementation > > > intends to achieve. Otherwise its not possible to do a useful review: > > > The reviewer can to verify whether the spec will achieve what it > claims to > > > achieve is there no definitionn of what it claims to achieve. > > > > > > If i understand ISIS correctly, my reverse engineering of the intent > is: > > > > > > - BIER TLVs stay within single ISIS areas. BFIR and BFER must > therefore be > > > in the same ISIS area: There is no inter-area BIER traffic possible > > > with this specification. This is also true for ISIS area 0. > > > > > > - The same BIER sub-domain identifiers can be re-used > > > across different ISIS areas without any current impact. If these > BFR-IDs > > > are non-overlapping, then this would allow in the future to create a > single > > > cross ISIS area BIER sub-domain by leaking TLVs for such a BIER > sub-domain > > > across ISIS levels. Leakage is outside the scope of this > specificication. > > > > > > I actually even would like to do the following: > > > > > > - If BIER sub-domains are made to span multiple ISIS areas and BFR-ids > > > assignemtns > > > are made such that all BFR-ids with the same SI are in the same ISIS > ara, > > > then it should be in the future reasonably easy to create inter-area > BIER > > > not by leaking of the BIER TLV but by having BFIR MPLS unicastBIER > packets > > > for different SIs to an appropriate L2L1 BFIR that is part of the > destination > > > area/SI. > > > (if you would use SI number that are the same as ISIS area numbers > then > > > you could probably do this without any new signaling. Not quite > sure if > > > you can today easily find L1L2 border router for another area via > existing > > > TLVs). > > > > > > Alas, this idea will probably be killed because of the BIER > architecture > > > intent not to engineer SI assignments in geographical fashions to > > > minimize traffic duplication in the presence of multiple SIs. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Toerless > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:03:53AM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > wrote: > > > > Tony/Toerless ??? > > > > > > > > There is an explicit statement as to scope: > > > > > > > > > > > > Section 4.2 > > > > ??? > > > > o BIER sub-TLVs MUST NOT be included when a prefix reachability > > > > advertisement is leaked between levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tony seems to have forgotten that we had a discussion about how BIER > > > might be supported across areas and the conclusion was we did not know > > > how to do that yet. > > > > (Sorry Tony) > > > > > > > > Note this is ???consistent??? with https://www.ietf.org/id/draft- > ietf-bier- > > > ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt Section 2.5 draft-ietf- > > > bier-ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt%20Section%202.5> - which limits the > > > flooding scope of BIER information to a single area unless it can be > validated > > > that the best path to the prefix with BIER info can be validated to be > to a > > > router which itself advertised the BIER info. This is not something > IS-IS can do > > > since a single IS-IS instance only supports one area and therefore > does not > > > have the Level-1 advertisements of the originating router when that > router is > > > in another area. > > > > > > > > A few more responses inline. > > > > > > > > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony > Przygienda > > > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:17 AM > > > > To: Toerless Eckert > > > > Cc: Hannes Gredler (hannes@gredler.at); Greg Shepherd; bier@ietf.org > ; > > > > isis-wg@ietf.org list; Christian Hopps > > > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04 > > > > > > > > Terminology is a bit nits IMO since the doc is reading clear enough > for > > > someone who read BIER & ISIS. I can reread it or Les can comment > whether > > > we should tighten glossary ... > > > > > > > > With the scope I agree, that got lost and the doc should be possibly > rev'ed > > > before closing LC. Yes, we flood AD wide was the agreement but > something > > > mentioning that this could change in the future is good so we are > forced to > > > give it some thought how that would transition ... > > > > > > > > Thinking further though, in ISIS we have a clean document really. > The BIER > > > sub-TLVs go into well defined TLVs in terms of flooding scope. Normal > L1-L2 > > > redistribution can be used to get the info to all needed places AFAIS. > So > > > maybe nothing needs to be written. I wait for Les to chime in. > > > > > > > > OSPF I would have to look @ scopes again & think whether we need to > > > write something or maybe Peter can comment ... > > > > > > > > --- tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Toerless Eckert > > > > wrote: > > > > Sorry, past the two weeks, but hopefully benign textual comments: > > > > > > > > We tried to find an explicit statement about the scope of BIER TLVs > - eg: > > > > are they meant to stay within an area, have some redistribution > across > > > > areas/levels or not. > > > > > > > > Tony said WG agreement was to have these TLV be flooded across the > > > > whole ISIS domain for now (this draft). So an explicit statement to > that > > > effect would > > > > be great (All BIER sub-domains TLVs are flooded across all ISIS > areas/levels, > > > so they span the whole ISIS domain). > > > > > > > > Also, if future work may/should could improve on that maybe some > > > > sentence about that (i guess one could just have ISIS intra-area > BIER sub- > > > domains ?). > > > > > > > > Also: Do a check about possible ambiguity of any generic terms like > > > sub-domain, level, area, topology so that reader that don't know the > > > terminology ofall protocols (ISIS, BIER) by heart can easily know which > > > protocol is referred to. > > > > > > > > [Les:] There is no mention of ???level??? in the document. > > > > The use of ???sub-domain??? is clearly always associated with > ???BIER???. > > > > ???topology??? is always used as an RFC 5120 topology ??? therefore > > > clearly an IS-IS topology. > > > > There is only one use of the term ???area??? (in Section 5.1). That > text > > > might deserve a bit of clarification given this might be either a > Level 1 area or > > > the Level2 sub-domain. I???ll take a pass at it. > > > > (BTW ??? I am talking about IS-IS area/L2sub-domain Toerless. ???) > > > > > > > > I don???t see that any other clarification is needed ??? but > Toerless ??? if > > > you can point to any specific sentences/paragraphs which you find > confusing > > > - I???ll take a second look. > > > > > > > > Les > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess there are no BIER level, area or topologies, but still makes > > > > reading easier if the doc would say "ISIS level", "ISIS area", or at > > > > least have them in the Terminology section. And probably in > > > > terminology say "domain -> in the context of this document the BIER > > > domain which is also the same as the ISIS domain" > > > > (which i hope is the correct statement, see above). > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Toerless > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > BIER mailing list > > > > BIER@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > We???ve heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could > > > produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, > > > we know that is not true. > > > > ???Robert Wilensky > > > > > > -- > > > --- > > > tte@cs.fau.de > --001a1141ba460ab3ba056423fc65 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Have these changes been reflected in the draft? We're = in WGLC but this discussion needs to come to a conclusion so we can progres= s.=C2=A0

Greg

=
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Toerless Ecker= t <= tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
Thank= s, Less, that would be lovely!

I didn't check the OSPF draft, if its similar state, explanatory text w= old equally be appreciated.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:28:08PM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Toerless -
>
> I am thinking to add a statement in Section 4.1 - something like:
>
> "At present, IS-IS support for a given BIER domain/sub-domain is = limited to a single area - or to the IS-IS L2 sub-domain."
>
> If you believe this would be helpful I will spin a new version (subjec= t to review/agreement from my co-authors).
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Les
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tt= e@cs.fau.de]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:34 AM
> > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
> > Cc: Tony Przygienda; Hannes Gredler (hannes@gredler.at); Greg Shepherd;
> > bier@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org list; Christian Hopps
> > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04=
> >
> > Thanks Les
> >
> > When searching various terms in the doc to figure out what happen= s i am not
> > sure why i missed this one.
> >
> > But: IMHO, RFCs can not only be the minimum number of words to ge= t a
> > running implementation. It also needs to specify what this implem= entation
> > intends to achieve. Otherwise its not possible to do a useful rev= iew:
> > The reviewer can to verify whether the spec will achieve what it = claims to
> > achieve is there no definitionn of what it claims to achieve.
> >
> > If i understand ISIS correctly, my reverse engineering of the int= ent is:
> >
> > - BIER TLVs stay within single ISIS areas. BFIR and BFER must the= refore be
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0in the same ISIS area: There is no inter-area BIER tr= affic possible
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0with this specification. This is also true for ISIS a= rea 0.
> >
> > - The same BIER sub-domain identifiers can be re-used
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0across different ISIS areas without any current impac= t. If these BFR-IDs
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0are non-overlapping, then this would allow in the fut= ure to create a single
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0cross ISIS area BIER sub-domain by leaking TLVs for s= uch a BIER sub-domain
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0across ISIS levels. Leakage is outside the scope of t= his specificication.
> >
> > I actually even would like to do the following:
> >
> > - If BIER sub-domains are made to span multiple ISIS areas and BF= R-ids
> > assignemtns
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0are made such that all BFR-ids with the same SI are i= n the same ISIS ara,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0then it should be in the future reasonably easy to cr= eate inter-area BIER
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0not by leaking of the BIER TLV but by having BFIR MPL= S unicastBIER packets
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0for different SIs to an appropriate L2L1 BFIR that is= part of the destination
> > area/SI.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0(if you would use SI number that are the same as ISIS= area numbers then
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 you could probably do this without any new signaling= . Not quite sure if
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 you can today easily find L1L2 border router for ano= ther area via existing
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TLVs).
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0Alas, this idea will probably be killed because of th= e BIER architecture
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0intent not to engineer SI assignments in geographical= fashions to
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0minimize traffic duplication in the presence of multi= ple SIs.
> >
> > Cheers
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:03:53AM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)= wrote:
> > > Tony/Toerless ???
> > >
> > > There is an explicit statement as to scope:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > Section 4.2
> > > ???
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 BIER sub-TLVs MUST NOT be included when= a prefix reachability
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0advertisement is leaked between le= vels.
> > > <end snip>
> > >
> > > Tony seems to have forgotten that we had a discussion about = how BIER
> > might be supported across areas and the conclusion was we did not= know
> > how to do that yet.
> > > (Sorry Tony)
> > >
> > > Note this is ???consistent??? with https://ww= w.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier-
> > ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt Section 2.5<https://www.= ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-
> > bier-ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt%20Section%202.5> - which= limits the
> > flooding scope of BIER information to a single area unless it can= be validated
> > that the best path to the prefix with BIER info can be validated = to be to a
> > router which itself advertised the BIER info. This is not somethi= ng IS-IS can do
> > since a single IS-IS instance only supports one area and therefor= e does not
> > have the Level-1 advertisements of the originating router when th= at router is
> > in another area.
> > >
> > > A few more responses inline.
> > >
> > > From: BIER [mailto:= bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Przygienda
> > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:17 AM
> > > To: Toerless Eckert
> > > Cc: Hannes Gredler (han= nes@gredler.at); Greg Shepherd; bier@i= etf.org;
> > > isis-wg@ietf.org lis= t; Christian Hopps
> > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensio= ns-04
> > >
> > > Terminology is a bit nits=C2=A0 IMO since the doc is reading= clear enough for
> > someone who read BIER & ISIS. I can reread it or Les can comm= ent whether
> > we should tighten glossary ...
> > >
> > > With the scope I agree, that got lost and the doc should be = possibly rev'ed
> > before closing LC. Yes, we flood AD wide was the agreement but so= mething
> > mentioning that this could change in the future is good so we are= forced to
> > give it some thought how that would transition ...
> > >
> > > Thinking further though, in ISIS we have a clean document re= ally. The=C2=A0 BIER
> > sub-TLVs go into well defined TLVs in terms of flooding scope. No= rmal L1-L2
> > redistribution can be used to get the info to all needed places A= FAIS. So
> > maybe nothing needs to be written. I wait for Les to chime in. > > >
> > > OSPF I would have to look @ scopes again & think whether= we need to
> > write something or maybe Peter can comment ...
> > >
> > > --- tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Toerless Eckert
> > <tte@cs.fau.de<mailto:= tte@cs.fau.de>> wrote:
> > > Sorry, past the two weeks, but hopefully=C2=A0 benign textua= l comments:
> > >
> > > We tried to find an explicit statement about the scope of BI= ER TLVs - eg:
> > > are they meant to stay within an area, have some redistribut= ion across
> > > areas/levels or not.
> > >
> > > Tony said WG agreement was to have these TLV be flooded acro= ss the
> > > whole ISIS domain for now (this draft). So an explicit state= ment to that
> > effect would
> > > be great (All BIER sub-domains TLVs are flooded across all I= SIS areas/levels,
> > so they span the whole ISIS domain).
> > >
> > > Also, if future work may/should could improve on that maybe = some
> > > sentence about that (i guess one could just have ISIS intra-= area BIER sub-
> > domains ?).
> > >
> > > Also: Do a check about possible ambiguity of any generic ter= ms like
> > sub-domain, level, area, topology so that reader that don't k= now the
> > terminology ofall protocols (ISIS, BIER) by heart can easily know= which
> > protocol is referred to.
> > >
> > > [Les:] There is no mention of ???level??? in the document. > > > The use of ???sub-domain??? is clearly always associated wit= h ???BIER???.
> > > ???topology??? is always used as an RFC 5120 topology ??? th= erefore
> > clearly an IS-IS topology.
> > > There is only one use of the term ???area??? (in Section 5.1= ). That text
> > might deserve a bit of clarification given this might be either a= Level 1 area or
> > the Level2 sub-domain. I???ll take a pass at it.
> > > (BTW ??? I am talking about IS-IS area/L2sub-domain Toerless= . ???)
> > >
> > > I don???t see that any other clarification is needed ??? but= Toerless ??? if
> > you can point to any specific sentences/paragraphs which you find= confusing
> > - I???ll take a second look.
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Les
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess there are no BIER level, area or topologies, but sti= ll makes
> > > reading easier if the doc would say "ISIS level", = "ISIS area", or at
> > > least have them in the Terminology section. And probably in<= br> > > > terminology say "domain -> in the context of this do= cument the BIER
> > domain which is also the same as the ISIS domain"
> > > (which i hope is the correct statement, see above).
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BIER mailing list
> > > BIER@ietf.org<mailto= :BIER@ietf.org>
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf= o/bier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > We???ve heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards = could
> > produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Int= ernet,
> > we know that is not true.
> > > ???Robert Wilensky
> >
> > --
> > ---
> > tte@cs.fau.de

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In-Reply-To: References: From: Tony Przygienda Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 23:43:46 +0800 Message-ID: To: Greg Shepherd Cc: BIER WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c06932e865d3c05642878de" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-ping-03 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 15:44:30 -0000 --94eb2c06932e865d3c05642878de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" support ... read a while ago but it was very tight and clean ... --- tony On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > Recent rev was published last week. > > This starts WGLC. Please read and respond. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-ping/ > > Thanks, > Chairs > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > --94eb2c06932e865d3c05642878de Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
support ... read a while ago but it was very tight an= d clean ...

--- tony
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Greg Shepherd = <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">Recent rev was published last week.

This= starts WGLC. Please read and respond.


Thanks,
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support. author's list will need tightening = down ...

thanks

--- tony

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 = at 11:08 PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
WGLC start

Recent rev was published two weeks ago. Please read and respond:


Thanks,
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boundary="_000_VI1PR0701MB23512387D497D58DB5BEFA0091FA0VI1PR0701MB2351_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a1655542-ce71-4825-5de8-08d569a20b63 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Feb 2018 18:31:43.9161 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR0701MB2143 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd writeup available X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 18:31:49 -0000 --_000_VI1PR0701MB23512387D497D58DB5BEFA0091FA0VI1PR0701MB2351_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All There is a shepherd writeup available for draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06= , I am not sure if the data tracker should send out an email when there is = a shepherd writeup but it did not happen. 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Hi All

 

There is a shepherd writeup ava= ilable for draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06, I am not sure if the data tra= cker should send out an email when there is a shepherd writeup but it did n= ot happen.

 

As such the manual broadcast.

 

Regards

 

Hooman

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boundary="_000_1a4d80a56ff34545a85620195cae00deXCHALN001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd writeup available X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 22:17:38 -0000 --_000_1a4d80a56ff34545a85620195cae00deXCHALN001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hooman - Thanx for the careful review. Responses to your comments: Section 3: is there a reason that sub-sub-tlvs are not sequential? i.e. typ= e 1 and 3 and no type 2. LES: As recently as V5 of the draft sub-sub-tlv 2 was used for: 2 BIER sub-domain Tree Type Tree type support was removed from the draft in V6, but the remaining two s= ub-sub-TLV codepoints were deliberately not adjusted so as not to introduce= backwards compatibility issues for any early implementations. The number assigned to a code point is never of significance in and of itse= lf - and nothing can be inferred from the relative values of code points. Section 4.1: An ISIS signaled BIER domain is aligned with the scope of dist= ribution of BFR-prefixes that identify the BFRs within ISIS. Comment: should it be BIER sub-domain? As bier-architecture aligns BFR-PREF= IX to a subdomain. LES: The prefix itself is NOT sub-domain specific - but the advertisement o= f BIER information associated with that prefix is sub-domain/topology speci= fic. Section 6.1 states: "This sub-TLV carries the information for the BIER sub-domains that the router participates in as BFR. This sub-TLV MAY appear multiple times in a given prefix-reachability TLV - once for each sub-domain supported in the associated topology." Section 4.1: The mapping of sub-domains to topologies MUST be consistent wi= thin a BIER flooding domain. Comment: what is a BIER flooding domain here? The terminology is not consis= tence with bier-architecture, might be worth a while to have a sentence exp= laining it. LES: The flooding domain is the IGP flooding domain - but I agree the text = could be more clear on this point. I will add something. Section 5.1: All routers in the flooding scope of the BIER sub-TLVs MUST ad= vertise the same sub-domain within the same multi-topology. Comment: This means one MT can have multiple SDs. As an example, = , . But is not legal, since SD1 is part of MT1. An exa= mple might be appropriate here as it is not to clear. LES: OK - will add a clarifying example. I am going to wait for the discussion about label-range-size to reach a con= clusion before providing a new version - so it will be a few more days befo= re we publish an update. Les From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bidgoli, Hooman (Nok= ia - CA/Ottawa) Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 10:32 AM To: BIER WG ; bier-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd writeup availabl= e Hi All There is a shepherd writeup available for draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06= , I am not sure if the data tracker should send out an email when there is = a shepherd writeup but it did not happen. As such the manual broadcast. Regards Hooman --_000_1a4d80a56ff34545a85620195cae00deXCHALN001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hooman –

 

Thanx for the careful = review.

Responses to your comm= ents:

 

Section 3: is there= a reason that sub-sub-tlvs are not sequential? i.e. type 1 and 3 and no ty= pe 2.

 

LES: As recently as= V5 of the draft sub-sub-tlv 2 was used for:

 

2       BIER sub-domain Tree Type<= o:p>

 

Tree type support w= as removed from the draft in V6, but the remaining two sub-sub-TLV codepoin= ts were deliberately not adjusted so as not to introduce backwards compatib= ility issues for any early implementations.

The number assigned= to a code point is never of significance in and of itself – and noth= ing can be inferred from the relative values of code points.

 

Section 4.1: An ISI= S signaled BIER domain is aligned with the scope of distribution of BFR-pre= fixes that identify the BFRs within ISIS.

Comment: should it = be BIER sub-domain? As bier-architecture aligns BFR-PREFIX to a subdomain.<= o:p>

 

LES: The prefix its= elf is NOT sub-domain specific – but the advertisement of BIER inform= ation associated with that prefix is sub-domain/topology specific.

Section 6.1 states:=

 

“This sub-TLV carries the information for the BIER sub-dom= ains that

   the router participates in as BFR.  This sub-T= LV MAY appear multiple

   times in a given prefix-reachability TLV - once for= each sub-domain

   supported in the associated topology.”

 

Section 4.1: The ma= pping of sub-domains to topologies MUST be consistent within a BIER floodin= g domain.

Comment: what is a = BIER flooding domain here? The terminology is not consistence with bier-arc= hitecture, might be worth a while to have a sentence explaining it.

 

LES: The flooding d= omain is the IGP flooding domain – but I agree the text could be more= clear on this point. I will add something.

 

Section 5.1: All ro= uters in the flooding scope of the BIER sub-TLVs MUST advertise the same su= b-domain within the same multi-topology.

Comment: This means= one MT can have multiple SDs. As an example, <MT1, SD1>, <MT1, SD= 2>. But <MT2, SD1> is not legal, since SD1 is part of MT1. An exam= ple might be appropriate here as it is not to clear.<= /p>

 

LES: OK – wil= l add a clarifying example.

 

I am going to wait for= the discussion about label-range-size to reach a conclusion before providi= ng a new version – so it will be a few more days before we publish an= update.

 

   Les<= /o:p>

 

From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 10:32 AM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>; bier-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd writeup a= vailable

 

Hi All

 

There is a shepherd writeup available for draft-ietf= -bier-isis-extension-06, I am not sure if the data tracker should send out = an email when there is a shepherd writeup but it did not happen.=

 

As such the manual broadcast.

 

Regards

 

Hooman

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Thu, 01 Feb 2018 16:01:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.182.239 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 16:00:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1a4d80a56ff34545a85620195cae00de@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> References: <1a4d80a56ff34545a85620195cae00de@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> From: Tony Przygienda Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 08:00:54 +0800 Message-ID: To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Cc: "Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" , BIER WG , "bier-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0ec94a60f27b05642f6ad4" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd writeup available X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 00:01:38 -0000 --94eb2c0ec94a60f27b05642f6ad4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > *Section 4.1: The mapping of sub-domains to topologies MUST be consistent > within a BIER flooding domain.* > > *Comment: what is a BIER flooding domain here? The terminology is not > consistence with bier-architecture, might be worth a while to have a > sentence explaining it.* > > > > *LES: The flooding domain is the IGP flooding domain =E2=80=93 but I agre= e the > text could be more clear on this point. I will add something.* > > > > *Section 5.1: All routers in the flooding scope of the BIER sub-TLVs MUST > advertise the same sub-domain within the same multi-topology.* > > *Comment: This means one MT can have multiple SDs. As an example, SD1>, . But is not legal, since SD1 is part of MT1. = An > example might be appropriate here as it is not to clear.* > > > > *LES: OK =E2=80=93 will add a clarifying example.* > Yes, we cannot emphasize clearly enough what the legal associations between MT/SD/BML/ENC/SET are ... In fact I wish we'd have something like in the architecture since the question comes up over and over again in multiple of those places when I talk BIER in depth MT <1-*> SD <1-*> ENC <1-*> BML ^ ^ 1 +-- associated via label/BIFT-id | v +-----*> SET > > --94eb2c0ec94a60f27b05642f6ad4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Section 4.1: The ma= pping of sub-domains to topologies MUST be consistent within a BIER floodin= g domain.

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LES: The flooding d= omain is the IGP flooding domain =E2=80=93 but I agree the text could be mo= re clear on this point. I will add something.

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Section 5.1: All ro= uters in the flooding scope of the BIER sub-TLVs MUST advertise the same su= b-domain within the same multi-topology.

Comment: This means= one MT can have multiple SDs. As an example, <MT1, SD1>, <MT1, SD= 2>. But <MT2, SD1> is not legal, since SD1 is part of MT1. An exam= ple might be appropriate here as it is not to clear.

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--94eb2c0ec94a60f27b05642f6ad4-- From nobody Thu Feb 1 18:09:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E6A126DC2 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:09:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08n4bNxEY2nU for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf0-x232.google.com (mail-lf0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F810126DEE for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf0-x232.google.com with SMTP id t139so29208911lff.0 for ; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 18:09:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=s6OvNvcFDn97qnPx/bB22jBe4xcuy2cTr7SQf2gtCOo=; b=big45nukhgAECwnuJ2efmrGHkcBJdQJz1Mbz9yDu6SAm5zk93tmaoW55sEKegp7dEQ YoqSloBvjW5HB5pHJBlwT8qOCwhGYenOWgWS9l3slB3JaAav7LIqPeSmOMaEtgIBTChl QZj5oX/tfhWO3VhilpLkLnHeY5L9rkXF9oadtQ+QvvxmRgE7sXSIgnjI1gISQ/a+h9aL p2QxSem2VqWWihxcyJ9l97yevBsy9d+9OiWngp8w8CgGf7PkkZ4FTEXwZFN/9czFMP3j rHdveH59qcnbBxzjr6PDkcvcwkAEE6xYwY9Qrjza0N5raguJHstSHJuwkXCfBFnubRYK 83Ow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=s6OvNvcFDn97qnPx/bB22jBe4xcuy2cTr7SQf2gtCOo=; b=VXkRaE7iuVdPB3OvCH8yfe5IOjkvPpzvkCzUWsyTccCYuj4UbIwmuo3nOnuX6aLo4N TtYefcr65YXjARklocg6hq4wKqrg42V2B1ggOuRtyPVyAwnH+eDskt0NL+Pu1nwADC1M WBKipcgtc41oIObidThOpuDm4k7f/LTF7taNFvPRFxmR+B7R7YRpbr41zUuca9MA/eB8 g99W/aX28juLetkQR/eSuyg6Iw5p9k4IXvR3lqTN2W54YI97x3eL4VOFa6duPFudJ4Ke ABoCc80/1LIP1Pnkt7y3h6gfftCBL8gNWfVD8mxTm72zu9Kd7eV36KYzELoaB/32frJZ nsGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytf1m0MREniTWYxp93kSwTxtHTqOGBJA3HtyDUmzN/2euc6RM5W7 Q4nGLuQVjiZSkrX+CHQnTsntf5Ko4xUKhl9cbxI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226LbOc7LFdWcEDn7pfEnceG8BLDaOQLFYgN8lR3xH/cDKcV1CBBg8jYxofKVEnUc5RUwqD67lYZdmgJLHMTbf8= X-Received: by 10.25.206.131 with SMTP id e125mr17174045lfg.145.1517537362417; Thu, 01 Feb 2018 18:09:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.46.83.91 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:09:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Greg Mirsky Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:09:21 -0800 Message-ID: To: Greg Shepherd Cc: BIER WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1141291c6b9eb00564313301" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-ping-03 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 02:09:27 -0000 --001a1141291c6b9eb00564313301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, I support publication of the document. Please consider my comments (and nits) as non-blocking WGLC comments: - "When the payload is BIER OAM, the "Proto" field will be set to 5 as defined in [RFC8296]" The strange fact is that the IANA BIER registry refers to the BIER Ping draft, not to RFC 8296. - perhaps renaming Proto field in BIER OAM Header to Next Proto will remove ambiguity when describing process of sending BIER Echo request/reply and referring to Proto field (there are Proto field in BIER header as well as in BIER OAM header) - consider adding more details about new registries to be created by IANA for the Message Type and Reply mode (should it be Reply Mode to make consistent with, e.g., Return Code?). For example, for the Message Type make values 0 and 255 reserved, define experimental range, and specify how the new values to be allocated; - reference to passive OAM in relation to the Proto field is not entirely accurate. If the OAM control message followed by another protocol, e.g. the data packet, then, according to RFC 7799, that is example of hybrid OAM; - do we need registry for Q/R-TF? And why not start from value 1? - in 3.2 s/inorder/in order/ - in 3.3.1 s/set of BFER/set of BFERs/ - in 4.5 Perhaps better to use 'set the Proto to OAM packet value', rather then 'set the Proto to 5' (and to note that this is being done in the BIER header, not in BIER OAM header); - in 4.5 I agree with the statement but formatting using '/* ... */' should be changed - in 5.2 Type value registry may be defined in more details, e.g. values 0 and 65535 - reserved, and experimental range defined. Also, what is the process of assigning new Type values? Regards, Greg On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > Recent rev was published last week. > > This starts WGLC. Please read and respond. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-ping/ > > Thanks, > Chairs > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > --001a1141291c6b9eb00564313301 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,
I support publication of the document. Please consider my comments (= and nits) as non-blocking WGLC comments:
  • "When the payload is BIER OAM, the "Proto" field= will be set to 5 as defined in [RFC8296]" The strange fact is that the IANA BIER registry=C2=A0refers to the BIER Ping draf= t, not to RFC 8296.
  • perhaps renaming Proto field in BIER OAM Header= to Next Proto will remove ambiguity when describing process of sending BIE= R Echo request/reply and referring to Proto field (there are Proto field in= BIER header as well as in BIER OAM header)
  • consider adding more de= tails about new registries to be created by IANA for the Message Type and R= eply mode (should it be Reply Mode to make consistent with, e.g., Return Co= de?). For example, for the Message Type make values 0 and 255 reserved, def= ine experimental range, and specify how the new values to be allocated;
    =
  • reference to passive OAM in relation to the Proto field is not ent= irely accurate. If the OAM control message followed by another protocol, e.= g. the data packet, then, according to RFC 7799, that is example of hybrid = OAM;
  • do we need registry for Q/R-TF? And why not start from value 1= ?
  • in 3.2 s/inorder/in order/
  • in 3.3.1 s/set of BFER/set of = BFERs/
  • in 4.5 Perhaps better to use 'set the Proto to OAM packe= t value', rather then 'set the Proto to 5' (and to note that th= is is being done in the BIER header, not in BIER OAM header);
  • in 4.= 5 I agree with the statement but formatting using '/* ... */' shoul= d be changed
  • in 5.2 Type value registry may be defined in more deta= ils, e.g. values 0 and 65535 - reserved, and experimental range defined. Al= so, what is the process of assigning new Type values?
Regards= ,
Greg

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Recent rev was published last week.

This starts WGLC= . Please read and respond.


=
Thanks,
Chairs

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Meant for my co-authors. We'll work on the comments to address all in the next update. Regards, Greg On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: > Dear All, > I support publication of the document. Please consider my comments (and > nits) as non-blocking WGLC comments: > > - "When the payload is BIER OAM, the "Proto" field will be set to 5 as > defined in [RFC8296]" The strange fact is that the IANA BIER registry > refers > to the BIER Ping draft, not to RFC 8296. > - perhaps renaming Proto field in BIER OAM Header to Next Proto will > remove ambiguity when describing process of sending BIER Echo request/reply > and referring to Proto field (there are Proto field in BIER header as well > as in BIER OAM header) > - consider adding more details about new registries to be created by > IANA for the Message Type and Reply mode (should it be Reply Mode to make > consistent with, e.g., Return Code?). For example, for the Message Type > make values 0 and 255 reserved, define experimental range, and specify how > the new values to be allocated; > - reference to passive OAM in relation to the Proto field is not > entirely accurate. If the OAM control message followed by another protocol, > e.g. the data packet, then, according to RFC 7799, that is example of > hybrid OAM; > - do we need registry for Q/R-TF? And why not start from value 1? > - in 3.2 s/inorder/in order/ > - in 3.3.1 s/set of BFER/set of BFERs/ > - in 4.5 Perhaps better to use 'set the Proto to OAM packet value', > rather then 'set the Proto to 5' (and to note that this is being done in > the BIER header, not in BIER OAM header); > - in 4.5 I agree with the statement but formatting using '/* ... */' > should be changed > - in 5.2 Type value registry may be defined in more details, e.g. > values 0 and 65535 - reserved, and experimental range defined. Also, what > is the process of assigning new Type values? > > Regards, > Greg > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > >> Recent rev was published last week. >> >> This starts WGLC. Please read and respond. >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-ping/ >> >> Thanks, >> Chairs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BIER mailing list >> BIER@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier >> >> > --94eb2c06391a464c49056431d0eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ooops, too wide distribution. Meant for my co-authors. We&= #39;ll work on the comments to address all in the next update.

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Greg Mirsky <= gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I support publication of the document. Please consider my comments (= and nits) as non-blocking WGLC comments:
  • "When the payload is BIER OAM, the "Proto" field= will be set to 5 as defined in [RFC8296]" The strange fact is that the IANA BIER registry=C2=A0refers to = the BIER Ping draft, not to RFC 8296.
  • perhaps renaming Proto field = in BIER OAM Header to Next Proto will remove ambiguity when describing proc= ess of sending BIER Echo request/reply and referring to Proto field (there = are Proto field in BIER header as well as in BIER OAM header)
  • consi= der adding more details about new registries to be created by IANA for the = Message Type and Reply mode (should it be Reply Mode to make consistent wit= h, e.g., Return Code?). For example, for the Message Type make values 0 and= 255 reserved, define experimental range, and specify how the new values to= be allocated;
  • reference to passive OAM in relation to the Prot= o field is not entirely accurate. If the OAM control message followed by an= other protocol, e.g. the data packet, then, according to RFC 7799, that is = example of hybrid OAM;
  • do we need registry for Q/R-TF? And why not = start from value 1?
  • in 3.2 s/inorder/in order/
  • in 3.3.1 s/s= et of BFER/set of BFERs/
  • in 4.5 Perhaps better to use 'set the = Proto to OAM packet value', rather then 'set the Proto to 5' (a= nd to note that this is being done in the BIER header, not in BIER OAM head= er);
  • in 4.5 I agree with the statement but formatting using '/*= ... */' should be changed
  • in 5.2 Type value registry may be de= fined in more details, e.g. values 0 and 65535 - reserved, and experimental= range defined. Also, what is the process of assigning new Type values?
Regards,
Greg

On Thu, Feb 1, 20= 18 at 7:06 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
Recent rev was published last week.

This starts WGL= C. Please read and respond.


Thanks,
Chairs

_____________________________________= __________
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On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 09:06 Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
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Yes/support publication of the document.

Non-blocking, obviously, WGLC comments:
  • build Table of = Acronyms and be careful with some acronyms, e.g. PMSI, that have different = expansion (Provider=C2=A0Multicast Service Interface and P-Multicast Servic= e Interface);
  • agree that this document does not introduce new secur= ity considerations, concerns but it may be reasonable to refer to security = considerations related to BIER as documented in RFC 8279 and, perhaps,=C2= =A0I-D.ietf-bier-mvpn.
Regards,
Greg

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AdOb+DRSc9gG+YyfSJGn3PjcdKHl6w== Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:47:11 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15C2C@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15C2Cnkgeml514mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] [bier] [bess] Comments on draft-ietf-bier-mvpn X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 08:04:07 -0000 --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15C2Cnkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Authors: I have a question about : whether we can leverage = LIR-pF in segmented tunnels scenario, to get a better multicast join latenc= y ? This draft states that Segmented P-tunnels require per-flow vpnlabel, so ha= ve to use S-PMSI(S,G) AD routes to carry such per-flow vpnLabel. Obviously, this will result in an increase in the number of routes, and mor= e importantly an increase in multicast join latency, comparing to the case = of Non-Segmented P-tunnels using LIR-pF. My consideration is , When all segments are type of BIER (greenfield), Is i= t possible to use a Per-vpn VpnLabel, and use LIR-pF for efficiently explic= it tracking ? like below: Topo: [SRC--IngressPE--ABR--EgressPE--RCV] 1) Use I-PMSI route with PTA and S-PMSI(*,*) route w= ith PTA , to advertise the Per-vpn Label,= and collect all the per-flow Leaf AD. 2) Or use a S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA , and Let ABR to re-generate a S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA to EgressPEs. Through have got a nice clarification from Eirc about , I found that this question still in my mind :-) Regards. 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Hi, Authors:<= /p>

 

I have a question about <dra= ft-ietf-bier-mvpn-09>: whether we can leverage LIR-pF in segmented tunne= ls scenario, to get a better multicast join latency ?

 

This draft states that Segmente= d P-tunnels require per-flow vpnlabel, so have to use S-PMSI(S,G) AD routes= to carry such per-flow vpnLabel.

 

Obviously, this will result in = an increase in the number of routes, and more importantly an increase in mu= lticast join latency, comparing to the case of Non-Segmented P-tunnels usin= g LIR-pF.

 

My consideration is , When all = segments are type of BIER (greenfield), Is it possible to use a Per-vpn Vpn= Label, and use LIR-pF for efficiently explicit tracking ? like below:<= /o:p>

 

Topo: [SRC--IngressPE--ABR--Egr= essPE--RCV]

1) Use I-PMSI route with PTA<= ;type=3DBIER, VpnLabel> and S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA <type=3DNonTnl= Info, Flag=3DLIR-pF>, to advertise the Per-vpn Label, and collect all th= e per-flow Leaf AD.

2) Or use a S-PMSI(*,*) route w= ith PTA <type=3DBIER, VpnLabel, Flag=3DLIR-pF>, and Let ABR to re-gen= erate a S-PMSI(*,*) route with PTA <type =3D BIER, VpnLabel,  Flag= =3DLIR-pF> to EgressPEs.

 

Through have got a nice clarifi= cation from Eirc about <draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track>, I found tha= t this question still in my mind :-)

 

Regards.

XieJingrong

 

 

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1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_VI1PR0701MB23510826199AE6155BAE4CD191F90VI1PR0701MB2351_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 8d3f201a-3428-45cf-1735-08d56a4f2012 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 02 Feb 2018 15:10:41.4091 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR0701MB2271 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd writeup available X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 15:10:48 -0000 --_000_VI1PR0701MB23510826199AE6155BAE4CD191F90VI1PR0701MB2351_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Inline "HB>" Regards Hooman From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com] Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 5:17 PM To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; BIER WG= ; bier-chairs@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd writeup avai= lable Hooman - Thanx for the careful review. Responses to your comments: Section 3: is there a reason that sub-sub-tlvs are not sequential? i.e. typ= e 1 and 3 and no type 2. LES: As recently as V5 of the draft sub-sub-tlv 2 was used for: 2 BIER sub-domain Tree Type Tree type support was removed from the draft in V6, but the remaining two s= ub-sub-TLV codepoints were deliberately not adjusted so as not to introduce= backwards compatibility issues for any early implementations. The number assigned to a code point is never of significance in and of itse= lf - and nothing can be inferred from the relative values of code points. HB> thanks, understood. Section 4.1: An ISIS signaled BIER domain is aligned with the scope of dist= ribution of BFR-prefixes that identify the BFRs within ISIS. Comment: should it be BIER sub-domain? As bier-architecture aligns BFR-PREF= IX to a subdomain. LES: The prefix itself is NOT sub-domain specific - but the advertisement o= f BIER information associated with that prefix is sub-domain/topology speci= fic. Section 6.1 states: "This sub-TLV carries the information for the BIER sub-domains that the router participates in as BFR. This sub-TLV MAY appear multiple times in a given prefix-reachability TLV - once for each sub-domain supported in the associated topology." HB> I agree that same bier prefix can be used in different sub-domains, bu= t as you said the advertisement of the info is a sub-domain function... Thi= s is why I find the text "An ISIS signaled BIER domain" confusing, as we si= gnal in a sub-domain. Just my 2 cents. Section 4.1: The mapping of sub-domains to topologies MUST be consistent wi= thin a BIER flooding domain. Comment: what is a BIER flooding domain here? The terminology is not consis= tence with bier-architecture, might be worth a while to have a sentence exp= laining it. LES: The flooding domain is the IGP flooding domain - but I agree the text = could be more clear on this point. I will add something. Section 5.1: All routers in the flooding scope of the BIER sub-TLVs MUST ad= vertise the same sub-domain within the same multi-topology. Comment: This means one MT can have multiple SDs. As an example, = , . But is not legal, since SD1 is part of MT1. An exa= mple might be appropriate here as it is not to clear. LES: OK - will add a clarifying example. I am going to wait for the discussion about label-range-size to reach a con= clusion before providing a new version - so it will be a few more days befo= re we publish an update. Les From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bidgoli, Hooman (Nok= ia - CA/Ottawa) Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 10:32 AM To: BIER WG >; bier-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd writeup availabl= e Hi All There is a shepherd writeup available for draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06= , I am not sure if the data tracker should send out an email when there is = a shepherd writeup but it did not happen. As such the manual broadcast. Regards Hooman --_000_VI1PR0701MB23510826199AE6155BAE4CD191F90VI1PR0701MB2351_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Inline &#= 8220;HB>”

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Regards

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Hooman

 

From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 5:17 PM
To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com= >; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>; bier-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd write= up available

 

Hooman = –

&n= bsp;

Thanx f= or the careful review.

Respons= es to your comments:

&n= bsp;

Sect= ion 3: is there a reason that sub-sub-tlvs are not sequential? i.e. type 1 = and 3 and no type 2.

&n= bsp;

LES:= As recently as V5 of the draft sub-sub-tlv 2 was used for:

 

2       BIER sub-= domain Tree Type

 

Tree= type support was removed from the draft in V6, but the remaining two sub-s= ub-TLV codepoints were deliberately not adjusted so as not to introduce bac= kwards compatibility issues for any early implementations.

The = number assigned to a code point is never of significance in and of itself &= #8211; and nothing can be inferred from the relative values of code points.=

 

HB> thanks, understood.=

 

Sect= ion 4.1: An ISIS signaled BIER domain is aligned with the scope of distribu= tion of BFR-prefixes that identify the BFRs within ISIS.<= /i>

Comm= ent: should it be BIER sub-domain? As bier-architecture aligns BFR-PREFIX t= o a subdomain.

&n= bsp;

LES:= The prefix itself is NOT sub-domain specific – but the advertisement= of BIER information associated with that prefix is sub-domain/topology spe= cific.

Sect= ion 6.1 states:

 

“This sub-TLV carries the information for= the BIER sub-domains that

   the router participates in as BFR.=   This sub-TLV MAY appear multiple

   times in a given prefix-reachabili= ty TLV - once for each sub-domain

   supported in the associated topolo= gy.”

 

HB>  I agree that same = bier prefix can be used in different sub-domains, but as you said the adver= tisement of the info is a sub-domain function… This is why I find the= text “An ISIS signaled BIER domain” confusing, as we signal in a sub-domain. Just my 2 cents.

Sect= ion 4.1: The mapping of sub-domains to topologies MUST be consistent within= a BIER flooding domain.

Comm= ent: what is a BIER flooding domain here? The terminology is not consistenc= e with bier-architecture, might be worth a while to have a sentence explain= ing it.

&n= bsp;

LES:= The flooding domain is the IGP flooding domain – but I agree the tex= t could be more clear on this point. I will add something.

&n= bsp;

Sect= ion 5.1: All routers in the flooding scope of the BIER sub-TLVs MUST advert= ise the same sub-domain within the same multi-topology.

Comm= ent: This means one MT can have multiple SDs. As an example, <MT1, SD1&g= t;, <MT1, SD2>. But <MT2, SD1> is not legal, since SD1 is part = of MT1. An example might be appropriate here as it is not to clear.

&n= bsp;

LES:= OK – will add a clarifying example.

&n= bsp;

I am go= ing to wait for the discussion about label-range-size to reach a conclusion= before providing a new version – so it will be a few more days befor= e we publish an update.

&n= bsp;

 &= nbsp; Les

&n= bsp;

From: BIER [mailto:bier-boun= ces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 10:32 AM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org&g= t;; bier-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Bier] draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06 shepherd writeup a= vailable

 

Hi All

 

There is a shepherd writeup ava= ilable for draft-ietf-bier-isis-extension-06, I am not sure if the data tra= cker should send out an email when there is a shepherd writeup but it did n= ot happen.

 

As such the manual broadcast.

 

Regards

 

Hooman

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draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-09: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 20:22:26 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-09: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mvpn/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [I am balloting No Objection, and not DISCUSS [1], because I think this comment is very easy to address.] The reference to draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track (EXPLICIT_TRACKING) should be Normative because of the use of the LIR-pF flag in this document. 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Alvaro, The use of the LIR-pF flag in the bier-mvpn document is optional. That's why I thought the reference to the explicit tracking draft should be informational.  The mandatory features of the bier-mvpn document can be implemented without any understanding of the LIR-pF mechanism. Is that reasoning incorrect? Eric From nobody Tue Feb 6 12:48:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82D512D941 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:48:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1gCrNHLzSmO2 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot0-x22d.google.com (mail-ot0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 705C712D88C for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id f56so3044219otj.13 for ; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 12:48:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2kLsihfwoByKEhMiWTBsTFuWILz87ldCqyqWCvR9nrw=; b=E0qnwl0UrtxGQnwZvohxaB6Y8+I+YIMLCWwHj3L2nX3rCX15KupnUoJe+ieAMcRKtD VdwfvT83Bn8hMY22sFEilOH0U/mQ07JCe2iD9gfD154IwbZ1B+EZUiccDaS2to9uj7VE 60YjAUp9qttIrdgJbbCzeN3RcOWynqOTrWUmUTRoa4AoajfhSCgsJe4dWDRZNk6SuvK+ RE2vwbK4noUQQOWgBG6eZ/4V/P7EbHqO2qGxrnfzOjl+KMwZt+jTvBKyOkkJiYYd6UIe lEbaKJbpTPUBa09e3PZkOsDgUixnUU0SMDCqqhkWjho2r7X8j0QPdN7uv/O4SWC5mVR+ iCNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2kLsihfwoByKEhMiWTBsTFuWILz87ldCqyqWCvR9nrw=; b=JHcNopXM0RdO+5bPQ2HLiUgl8fIZg7wn9D0sSPFP1xiY8gUu+HIJOC0oL5kN6/X8Aj lKMMsobAyZGUdhjV96xC2574aKw0UPepLK+t0P/z7NbHKkGDqmgSdVgqe1er/5MYb4Nx LZL4RJuWIck/c0k6Yjjt3/8NBnpiTS53DFPz06VKm0VjkjRBcpNT0oUkWZW9P0+9Gj0u ULFdvAecf67BW2emcXijAFinmiSLJQ3G3WcfmDz4TcCBUAsNgKiHTOINrO3l1vnWJSsy rhvq9+0NT8cgSDhuZgsVIT43ljAjvJ1uLc6uJV0D21E9QmhoyIBznQdKpSJybeKJL+70 WBHg== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCtgWsu9hprHofHdBK5FBuazGmzMdTks5spv4hAPu+wW0i4DsjY q+zr9LeABkuvRUXapMeHWETl+QSGHYfUgQCNSt8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224380hhHQI3JLvM4XcALICQbAWFZl/hcBSpmunvbfdSwzHMTh9qG0EfO8RYf1hIg5WQLkYT60gI+dOQOIbp7Ok= X-Received: by 10.157.2.2 with SMTP id 2mr2762999otb.309.1517950088368; Tue, 06 Feb 2018 12:48:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.40.246 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:48:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Alia Atlas Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 15:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Purkayastha, Debashish" Cc: "bier@ietf.org" , "gjshep@gmail.com" , "prz@juniper.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c046c20cdd9de0564914b1e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER rechartering X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 20:48:14 -0000 --94eb2c046c20cdd9de0564914b1e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Debashish, It is precisely this kind of work that is intended by the sentence "The WG will work on additional applicability statements, as needed, describing how BIER can be applied." Until there is more clear interest and discussion on the mailing list, I am reluctant to put it explicitly in the charter which would be deciding for the WG what is interesting and important to work on. Additionally, such HTTP work could happen in an appropriate ART WG - so what is needed will depend on exploring the space. Regards, Alia On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Purkayastha, Debashish < Debashish.Purkayastha@interdigital.com> wrote: > Dear Chairs, AD and WG, > > > > I have a suggestion for the BIER re-charter text. Currently, the > re-charter contains the following: > > > > Applicability Statements: The WG will describe how BIER can be applied to > multicast L3VPN and to EVPN. This draft will describe what mechanism is > used to communicate the group membership between the ingress router and t= he > egress routers, what scalability considerations may arise, and any > deployment considerations. The WG will work on additional applicability > statements, as needed, describing how BIER can be applied. > > > > Given the importance of HTTP-based services, we therefore suggest to > include an additional Applicability Statement documenting how BIER can be > applied to aggregate HTTP responses over a BIER infrastructure (which we > term as =E2=80=9CHTTP Multicast=E2=80=9D). > > > > Background: > > The BIER use case document already describes an use case of HTTP Multicas= t > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-06#page-11 ). > Specifically, it describes how individual HTTP responses can utilize a > single BIER multicast response, utilizing an edge-based service routing > components on top of the BIER transport. > > > > This new proposed Applicability Statement document will describe how BIER > can be applied to implement efficient, dynamic multicast support for the > delivery of HTTP responses to individual HTTP requests for the same > resource. With the extensive use of =E2=80=9Cweb technology=E2=80=9D, =E2= =80=9Cdistributed > services=E2=80=9D and availability of heterogeneous network, HTTP has eff= ectively > transitioned into the common transport for E2E communication across the > web. This means that in scenarios where semi-synchronous access to the sa= me > resource occurs (such as watching prominent videos over Netflix or simila= r > platforms or liveTV over HTTP), traffic grows linearly with the number of > viewers since the HTTP-based server will provide an HTTP response to each > individual viewer. This poses a significant burden on operators in terms = of > costs and on users in terms of likely degradation of quality. We believe > that BIER can greatly reduce this burden, as described in the mentioned u= se > case, by utilizing the BIER routing overlay to transport a single HTTP > response to several edge nodes. Edge nodes may have additional logic to > =E2=80=98route=E2=80=99 the HTTP-based service from and to the individual= clients. The > path-based routing applied in BIER is particularly appealing since it wil= l > allow for building those multicast relations per HTTP request/response > relation in an ad-hoc manner, thereby improving flexibility and utilizati= on > even further. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > Debashish > > > > *From:* BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alia Atlas > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2018 6:12 PM > *To:* bier@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Bier] BIER rechartering > > > > As discussed, I have been working with Tony and Greg on the planned > rechartering for the > > BIER WG. > > > > You can find this version at: https://datatracker.ietf. > org/doc/charter-ietf-bier/. > > > > Please send comments. I want this to make the February 8 IESG telechat. > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > The BIER (Bit Index Explicit Replication) Working Group has defined > an architecture [RFC 8279] for multicast forwarding that uses an > encapsulation [RFC 8296] that can be used on MPLS or Ethernet transport. > The BIER-WG is now chartered to produce Standards Track RFCs and to > update or do a Status Change for those RFCs previously published as > Experimental (RFC 8279, RFC 8296, etc.). > > First and primarily, the BIER-WG will complete its work on: > 1) Transition Mechanisms: The WG will describe how BIER > can be partially deployed and still provide useful > functionality. A minimum of the necessary mechanisms > to support incremental deployment and/or managing > different BIER mask-length compatibility may be defined. > Operation of BIER in non-congruent topologies, i.e. > topologies where not all routers are BIER capable can > also be addressed. In addition to tunneling solutions, other > approaches to make BIER deployable in such environments > can be worked on. Each such mechanism must include an > applicability statement to differentiate its necessity from > other proposed mechanisms. > 2) Applicability Statements: The WG will describe how BIER can > be applied to multicast L3VPN and to EVPN. This draft will > describe what mechanism is used to communicate the group > membership between the ingress router and the egress routers, > what scalability considerations may arise, and any deployment > considerations. The WG will work on additional applicability > statements, as needed, describing how BIER can be applied. > 3) Use Case: The WG may produce one use-case document that clearly > articulates the potential benefits of BIER for different use-cases. > 4) Manageability and OAM: The WG will describe how OAM will work in > a BIER domain and what simplifications BIER offers for managing the > multicast traffic. A strong preference will be given to extensions t= o > existing protocols. > 5) Management models: The WG may work on YANG models and, if needed, MI= B > modules to support common manageability. > 6) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link state IGP" > network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding tables > (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given egress > router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the IGP. > The link state advertisements may also carry other information relat= ed > to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies, in whi= ch > case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are to be use= d > for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP will be > specified by the WG as Standards Track, in cooperation with the LSR > WG. > > The BIER-WG is additionally chartered to start Standards Track work on: > 7) BIER in IPv6 : A mechanism to use BIER natively in IPv6 may be > standardized if coordinated with the 6MAN WG and with understood > applicability. Such functionality may focus on assuming software or > slow-path support first. > 8) BIER Traffic Engineering: An architecture for BIER-TE is defined > in draft-ietf-bier-te-arch; associated fundamental technology is > included. > 9) Extensions to support BIER in multi-area IGP Deployments > > The BIER-WG is chartered to investigate the following topics. The adoptio= n > of any Standards Track drafts will require a milestone approved by the > responsible Area Director. > 10) Novel uses of the BIER bitmap: There are a variety of proposals for > additional algorithms and other uses of the BIER bitmap and > encapsulation beyond BIER and BIER-TE. > 11) BIER between Autonomous Domains: With understood applicability, > these scenarios may be investigated. > 12) Use of BIER in Controller-based Architectures: How might controlle= rs > be used to provide calculated BIRTs and/or BIFTs tables to BFRs? > 13) Applicability of BIER to Applications: The WG may advise on the > applicability of BIER to various applications. > > The BIER-WG will coordinate with several different working groups and > must include the relevant other working groups during working group > last call on the relevant drafts. BIER-WG will coordinate with MPLS-WG > on the associated MPLS-based OAM mechanisms. BIER-WG will coordinate with > LSR-WG on extensions to flood BIER-related information. BIER-WG will > advise BABEL-WG on Babel extensions to support BIER. BIER-WG will > coordinate with BESS-WG and IDR-WG on the applicability of existing > BGP-based mechanisms for providing multicast group membership information= . > BIER-WG will coordinate with PIM-WG on the applicability of and extension= s > to PIM, IGMP, and MLD to support BIER operations and transition; BIER-WG > will work directly on the applicability statements, as needed. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > Thanks, > > Alia > [image: Banner] [image: Banner] > > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other > than its intended recipient. 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Hi Debashish,

It is precisely this kind= of work that is intended by the sentence=C2=A0"The WG will work on ad= ditional applicability statements, as needed, describing how BIER can be ap= plied."
Until there is more clear interest and discussion on= the mailing list, I am reluctant to put it explicitly in the charter which= would be
deciding for the WG what is interesting and important t= o work on.

Additionally, such HTTP work could happ= en in an appropriate ART WG - so what is needed will depend on exploring th= e space.

Regards,
Alia

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at = 1:17 PM, Purkayastha, Debashish <Debashish.Purkayasth= a@interdigital.com> wrote:

Dear Chairs, AD and WG,

=C2=A0

I have a suggestion for the BIER re-charter text.= =C2=A0 Currently, the re-charter contains the following:

=C2=A0

Applicability Statements: The WG will describe how = BIER can be applied to multicast L3VPN and to EVPN. This draft will describ= e what mechanism is used to communicate the group membership between the ingress router and the egress routers, what scalabi= lity considerations may arise, and any deployment considerations. The WG wi= ll work on additional applicability statements, as needed, describing how B= IER can be applied.

=C2=A0

Given the importance of HTTP-based services,= we therefore suggest to include an additional Applicability Statement docu= menting how BIER can be applied to aggregate HTTP responses over a BIER infrastructure (which we term as =E2=80=9CHTTP Multicast=E2=80= =9D).=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Background:

The BIER use case document already describes an use= case of HTTP Multicast (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-06#page-11 ). Specifically, it descri= bes how individual HTTP responses can utilize a single BIER multicast response, ut= ilizing an edge-based service routing components on top of the BIER transpo= rt.

=C2=A0

This new proposed Applicability Statement document = will describe how BIER can be applied to implement efficient, dynamic multi= cast support for the delivery of HTTP responses to individual HTTP requests for the same resource. With the extensive use = of =E2=80=9Cweb technology=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cdistributed services=E2=80=9D= and availability of heterogeneous network, HTTP has effectively transition= ed into the common transport for E2E communication across the web. This means that in scenarios where semi-synchronous access to the same res= ource occurs (such as watching prominent videos over Netflix or similar pla= tforms or liveTV over HTTP), traffic grows linearly with the number of view= ers since the HTTP-based server will provide an HTTP response to each individual viewer. This poses a sign= ificant burden on operators in terms of costs and on users in terms of like= ly degradation of quality. We believe that BIER can greatly reduce this bur= den, as described in the mentioned use case, by utilizing the BIER routing overlay to transport a single HTTP= response to several edge nodes. Edge nodes may have additional logic to = =E2=80=98route=E2=80=99 the HTTP-based service from and to the individual c= lients. The path-based routing applied in BIER is particularly appealing since it will allow for building those multicast re= lations per HTTP request/response relation in an ad-hoc manner, thereby imp= roving flexibility and utilization even further.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Debashish

<= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">= =C2=A0

From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alia Atlas
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 6:12 PM
To: bier@ietf.org=
Subject: [Bier] BIER rechartering

=C2=A0

As discussed, I have been working with Tony and Greg= on the planned rechartering for the

BIER WG.

=C2=A0

You can find this version at:=C2=A0=C2=A0http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-bier/.

=C2=A0

Please send comments.=C2=A0 I want this to make the = February 8 IESG telechat.

=C2=A0

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D
The BIER (Bit Index Explicit Replication) Working Group has defined
an architecture [RFC 8279] for =C2=A0multicast forwarding that uses an
encapsulation [RFC 8296] that can be used on MPLS or Ethernet transport. The BIER-WG is now chartered to produce Standards Track RFCs and to
update or do a Status Change for those RFCs previously published as
Experimental (RFC 8279, RFC 8296, etc.).

First and primarily, the BIER-WG will complete its work on:
=C2=A0 1) Transition Mechanisms: The WG will describe how BIER
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can be partially deployed and still provide useful
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0functionality. A minimum of the necessary mechanisms =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to support incremental deployment and/or managing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0different BIER mask-length compatibility may be defined= .
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Operation of BIER in non-congruent topologies, i.e.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0topologies where not all routers are BIER capable can =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0also be addressed. In addition to tunneling solutions, = other
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0approaches to make BIER deployable in such environments=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can be worked on. Each such mechanism must include an =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0applicability statement to differentiate its necessity = from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0other proposed mechanisms.
=C2=A0 2) Applicability Statements: The WG will describe how BIER can
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0be applied to multicast L3VPN and to EVPN. This draft w= ill
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0describe what mechanism is used to communicate the grou= p
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0membership between the ingress router and the egress ro= uters,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0what scalability considerations may arise, and any depl= oyment
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0considerations. The WG will work on additional applicab= ility
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0statements, as needed, describing how BIER can be appli= ed.
=C2=A0 3) Use Case: The WG may produce one use-case document that clearly =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0articulates the potential benefits of BIER for differen= t use-cases.
=C2=A0 4) Manageability and OAM: The WG will describe how OAM will work in<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a BIER domain and what simplifications BIER offers for = managing the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0multicast traffic. A strong preference will be given to= extensions to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0existing protocols.
=C2=A0 5) Management models: The WG may work on YANG models and, if needed,= MIB
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0modules to support common manageability.
=C2=A0 6) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link stat= e IGP"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0network, the information needed to set up the BIER forw= arding tables
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a g= iven egress
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0router) may be carried in the link state advertisements= of the IGP.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The link state advertisements may also carry other info= rmation related
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topol= ogies, in which
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies = are to be used
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the I= GP will be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0specified by the WG as Standards Track, in cooperation = with the LSR WG.

The BIER-WG is additionally chartered to start Standards Track work on:
=C2=A0 7) BIER in IPv6 : =C2=A0A mechanism to use BIER natively in IPv6 may= be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0standardized if coordinated with the 6MAN WG and with u= nderstood
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0applicability.=C2=A0 Such functionality may focus on as= suming software or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0slow-path support first.
=C2=A0 8) BIER Traffic Engineering: =C2=A0An architecture for BIER-TE is de= fined
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in draft-ietf-bier-te-arch; associated fundamental tech= nology is included.
=C2=A0 9) Extensions to support BIER in multi-area IGP Deployments

The BIER-WG is chartered to investigate the following topics. The adoption<= br> of any Standards Track drafts will require a milestone approved by the
responsible Area Director.
=C2=A0 10) Novel uses of the BIER bitmap: There are a variety of proposals = for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 additional algorithms and other uses of the BIER bitma= p and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 encapsulation beyond BIER and BIER-TE.
=C2=A0 11) BIER between Autonomous Domains: =C2=A0 With understood applicab= ility,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 these scenarios may be investigated.
=C2=A0 12) Use of BIER in Controller-based Architectures: =C2=A0How might c= ontrollers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 be used to provide calculated BIRTs and/or BIFTs table= s to BFRs?
=C2=A0 13) Applicability of BIER to Applications: The WG may advise on the<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 applicability of BIER to various applications.

The BIER-WG will coordinate with several different working groups and
must include the relevant other working groups during working group
last call on the relevant drafts. BIER-WG will coordinate with MPLS-WG
on the associated MPLS-based OAM mechanisms. BIER-WG will coordinate with LSR-WG on extensions to flood BIER-related information. BIER-WG will
advise BABEL-WG on Babel extensions to support BIER. BIER-WG will
coordinate with BESS-WG and IDR-WG on the applicability of existing
BGP-based mechanisms for providing multicast group membership information.<= br> BIER-WG will coordinate with PIM-WG on the applicability of and extensions<= br> to PIM, IGMP, and MLD to support BIER operations and transition; BIER-WG will work directly on the applicability statements, as needed.

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=C2=A0

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Hi!

On 2/6/2018 3:22 PM, Alvaro Retan= a wrote:=C2=A0
> The ref= erence to draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track (EXPLICIT_TRACKING) should be=C2=A0
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The use of the LIR-pF flag in the bier-mvpn d= ocument is optional. That's=C2=A0=
why I thought the reference to the explicit tracking draft shoul= d be=C2=A0
informational.= =C2=A0 The mandatory features of the bier-mvpn document can be=C2=A0
implemented without any underst= anding of the LIR-pF mechanism.=C2=A0=

Is that reasoning incorrect?=C2=A0

Even if the use= is optional, the document specifies its use when it is utilized.=C2=A0 To = me, that is what makes it Normative.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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Any other feedback? Looks like the concerns have been addressed. Speak now. Cheers, Greg On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:26 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Greg =E2=80=93 > > > > This thread is outdated. > > In V6 of the draft we removed the restriction to limit IS-IS BIER support > to area boundaries =E2=80=93 so Toerless=E2=80=99s comment (and my propos= ed text) are no > longer relevant. > > > > Specifically: > > > > Section 4.1: > > > > =E2=80=9CAt present, IS-IS support for a given BIER domain/sub-domain > is > > limited to a single area - or to the IS-IS L2 > sub-domain.=E2=80=9D > > > > The above text was removed. > > > > Section 4.2 > > > > o BIER sub-TLVs MUST NOT be included when a prefix reachability > > advertisement is leaked between levels. > > > > Was changed to > > > > o BIER sub-TLVs MUST be included when a prefix reachability > > advertisement is leaked between levels. > > > > This aligns IS-IS and OSPF drafts in this regard. > > > > Les > > > > *From:* Greg Shepherd [mailto:gjshep@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:23 AM > *To:* Toerless Eckert > *Cc:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Tony Przygienda < > tonysietf@gmail.com>; Hannes Gredler (hannes@gredler.at) < > hannes@gredler.at>; bier@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org list ; > Christian Hopps > > *Subject:* Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04 > > > > Have these changes been reflected in the draft? We're in WGLC but this > discussion needs to come to a conclusion so we can progress. > > > > Greg > > > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Thanks, Less, that would be lovely! > > I didn't check the OSPF draft, if its similar state, explanatory text wol= d > equally be appreciated. > > > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:28:08PM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > > Toerless - > > > > I am thinking to add a statement in Section 4.1 - something like: > > > > "At present, IS-IS support for a given BIER domain/sub-domain is limite= d > to a single area - or to the IS-IS L2 sub-domain." > > > > If you believe this would be helpful I will spin a new version (subject > to review/agreement from my co-authors). > > > > Les > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de] > > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:34 AM > > > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > > > Cc: Tony Przygienda; Hannes Gredler (hannes@gredler.at); Greg > Shepherd; > > > bier@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org list; Christian Hopps > > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04 > > > > > > Thanks Les > > > > > > When searching various terms in the doc to figure out what happens i > am not > > > sure why i missed this one. > > > > > > But: IMHO, RFCs can not only be the minimum number of words to get a > > > running implementation. It also needs to specify what this > implementation > > > intends to achieve. Otherwise its not possible to do a useful review: > > > The reviewer can to verify whether the spec will achieve what it > claims to > > > achieve is there no definitionn of what it claims to achieve. > > > > > > If i understand ISIS correctly, my reverse engineering of the intent > is: > > > > > > - BIER TLVs stay within single ISIS areas. BFIR and BFER must > therefore be > > > in the same ISIS area: There is no inter-area BIER traffic possible > > > with this specification. This is also true for ISIS area 0. > > > > > > - The same BIER sub-domain identifiers can be re-used > > > across different ISIS areas without any current impact. If these > BFR-IDs > > > are non-overlapping, then this would allow in the future to create = a > single > > > cross ISIS area BIER sub-domain by leaking TLVs for such a BIER > sub-domain > > > across ISIS levels. Leakage is outside the scope of this > specificication. > > > > > > I actually even would like to do the following: > > > > > > - If BIER sub-domains are made to span multiple ISIS areas and BFR-id= s > > > assignemtns > > > are made such that all BFR-ids with the same SI are in the same ISI= S > ara, > > > then it should be in the future reasonably easy to create inter-are= a > BIER > > > not by leaking of the BIER TLV but by having BFIR MPLS unicastBIER > packets > > > for different SIs to an appropriate L2L1 BFIR that is part of the > destination > > > area/SI. > > > (if you would use SI number that are the same as ISIS area numbers > then > > > you could probably do this without any new signaling. Not quite > sure if > > > you can today easily find L1L2 border router for another area via > existing > > > TLVs). > > > > > > Alas, this idea will probably be killed because of the BIER > architecture > > > intent not to engineer SI assignments in geographical fashions to > > > minimize traffic duplication in the presence of multiple SIs. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Toerless > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:03:53AM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > wrote: > > > > Tony/Toerless ??? > > > > > > > > There is an explicit statement as to scope: > > > > > > > > > > > > Section 4.2 > > > > ??? > > > > o BIER sub-TLVs MUST NOT be included when a prefix reachability > > > > advertisement is leaked between levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tony seems to have forgotten that we had a discussion about how BIE= R > > > might be supported across areas and the conclusion was we did not kno= w > > > how to do that yet. > > > > (Sorry Tony) > > > > > > > > Note this is ???consistent??? with https://www.ietf.org/id/draft- > ietf-bier- > > > ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt Section 2.5 draft-ietf- > > > bier-ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt%20Section%202.5> - which limits the > > > flooding scope of BIER information to a single area unless it can be > validated > > > that the best path to the prefix with BIER info can be validated to b= e > to a > > > router which itself advertised the BIER info. This is not something > IS-IS can do > > > since a single IS-IS instance only supports one area and therefore > does not > > > have the Level-1 advertisements of the originating router when that > router is > > > in another area. > > > > > > > > A few more responses inline. > > > > > > > > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony > Przygienda > > > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:17 AM > > > > To: Toerless Eckert > > > > Cc: Hannes Gredler (hannes@gredler.at); Greg Shepherd; bier@ietf.or= g > ; > > > > isis-wg@ietf.org list; Christian Hopps > > > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04 > > > > > > > > Terminology is a bit nits IMO since the doc is reading clear enoug= h > for > > > someone who read BIER & ISIS. I can reread it or Les can comment > whether > > > we should tighten glossary ... > > > > > > > > With the scope I agree, that got lost and the doc should be possibl= y > rev'ed > > > before closing LC. Yes, we flood AD wide was the agreement but > something > > > mentioning that this could change in the future is good so we are > forced to > > > give it some thought how that would transition ... > > > > > > > > Thinking further though, in ISIS we have a clean document really. > The BIER > > > sub-TLVs go into well defined TLVs in terms of flooding scope. Normal > L1-L2 > > > redistribution can be used to get the info to all needed places AFAIS= . > So > > > maybe nothing needs to be written. I wait for Les to chime in. > > > > > > > > OSPF I would have to look @ scopes again & think whether we need to > > > write something or maybe Peter can comment ... > > > > > > > > --- tony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Toerless Eckert > > > > wrote: > > > > Sorry, past the two weeks, but hopefully benign textual comments: > > > > > > > > We tried to find an explicit statement about the scope of BIER TLVs > - eg: > > > > are they meant to stay within an area, have some redistribution > across > > > > areas/levels or not. > > > > > > > > Tony said WG agreement was to have these TLV be flooded across the > > > > whole ISIS domain for now (this draft). So an explicit statement to > that > > > effect would > > > > be great (All BIER sub-domains TLVs are flooded across all ISIS > areas/levels, > > > so they span the whole ISIS domain). > > > > > > > > Also, if future work may/should could improve on that maybe some > > > > sentence about that (i guess one could just have ISIS intra-area > BIER sub- > > > domains ?). > > > > > > > > Also: Do a check about possible ambiguity of any generic terms like > > > sub-domain, level, area, topology so that reader that don't know the > > > terminology ofall protocols (ISIS, BIER) by heart can easily know whi= ch > > > protocol is referred to. > > > > > > > > [Les:] There is no mention of ???level??? in the document. > > > > The use of ???sub-domain??? is clearly always associated with > ???BIER???. > > > > ???topology??? is always used as an RFC 5120 topology ??? therefore > > > clearly an IS-IS topology. > > > > There is only one use of the term ???area??? (in Section 5.1). That > text > > > might deserve a bit of clarification given this might be either a > Level 1 area or > > > the Level2 sub-domain. I???ll take a pass at it. > > > > (BTW ??? I am talking about IS-IS area/L2sub-domain Toerless. ???) > > > > > > > > I don???t see that any other clarification is needed ??? but > Toerless ??? if > > > you can point to any specific sentences/paragraphs which you find > confusing > > > - I???ll take a second look. > > > > > > > > Les > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess there are no BIER level, area or topologies, but still make= s > > > > reading easier if the doc would say "ISIS level", "ISIS area", or a= t > > > > least have them in the Terminology section. And probably in > > > > terminology say "domain -> in the context of this document the BIER > > > domain which is also the same as the ISIS domain" > > > > (which i hope is the correct statement, see above). > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Toerless > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > BIER mailing list > > > > BIER@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > We???ve heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could > > > produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Interne= t, > > > we know that is not true. > > > > ???Robert Wilensky > > > > > > -- > > > --- > > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > --001a11445fb4790a61056493c495 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Les.

Any other feedback? Looks l= ike the concerns have been addressed. Speak now.

C= heers,
Greg

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 7:26 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:

Greg =E2=80=93

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This thread is outdated.

In V6 of the draft we removed the res= triction to limit IS-IS BIER support to area boundaries =E2=80=93 so Toerle= ss=E2=80=99s comment (and my proposed text) are no longer relevant.<= u>

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Specifically:

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Section 4.1:

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=E2=80=9CAt present, IS-IS support fo= r a given BIER domain/sub-domain is=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0

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The above text was removed.=

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o=C2=A0 BIER sub-TLVs MUST NOT be inc= luded when a prefix reachability

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Was changed to

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o=C2=A0 BIER sub-TLVs MUST be include= d when a prefix reachability

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 advert= isement is leaked between levels.

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This aligns IS-IS and OSPF dra= fts in this regard.

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From: Greg Shepherd [mailto:gjshep@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:23 AM
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com&g= t;; Hannes Gredler (= hannes@gredler.at) <hannes@gredler.at>; bier@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org list <isis-wg@ietf.org>; Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>


Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04=

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Have these changes been reflected in the draft? We&#= 39;re in WGLC but this discussion needs to come to a conclusion so we can p= rogress.=C2=A0

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Greg

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On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Toerless Eckert &l= t;tte@cs.fau.de> = wrote:

Thanks, Less, that would be lovely!

I didn't check the OSPF draft, if its similar state, explanatory text w= old equally be appreciated.


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:28:08PM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Toerless -
>
> I am thinking to add a statement in Section 4.1 - something like:
>
> "At present, IS-IS support for a given BIER domain/sub-domain is = limited to a single area - or to the IS-IS L2 sub-domain."
>
> If you believe this would be helpful I will spin a new version (subjec= t to review/agreement from my co-authors).
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Les
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:34 AM
> > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
> > Cc: Tony Przygienda; Hannes Gredler (hannes@gredler.at); Greg Shepherd;
> > bier@ietf.org<= /a>; isis-wg@ietf.org list; Christian Hopps
> > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-04=
> >
> > Thanks Les
> >
> > When searching various terms in the doc to figure out what happen= s i am not
> > sure why i missed this one.
> >
> > But: IMHO, RFCs can not only be the minimum number of words to ge= t a
> > running implementation. It also needs to specify what this implem= entation
> > intends to achieve. Otherwise its not possible to do a useful rev= iew:
> > The reviewer can to verify whether the spec will achieve what it = claims to
> > achieve is there no definitionn of what it claims to achieve.
> >
> > If i understand ISIS correctly, my reverse engineering of the int= ent is:
> >
> > - BIER TLVs stay within single ISIS areas. BFIR and BFER must the= refore be
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0in the same ISIS area: There is no inter-area BIER tr= affic possible
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0with this specification. This is also true for ISIS a= rea 0.
> >
> > - The same BIER sub-domain identifiers can be re-used
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0across different ISIS areas without any current impac= t. If these BFR-IDs
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0are non-overlapping, then this would allow in the fut= ure to create a single
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0cross ISIS area BIER sub-domain by leaking TLVs for s= uch a BIER sub-domain
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0across ISIS levels. Leakage is outside the scope of t= his specificication.
> >
> > I actually even would like to do the following:
> >
> > - If BIER sub-domains are made to span multiple ISIS areas and BF= R-ids
> > assignemtns
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0are made such that all BFR-ids with the same SI are i= n the same ISIS ara,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0then it should be in the future reasonably easy to cr= eate inter-area BIER
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0not by leaking of the BIER TLV but by having BFIR MPL= S unicastBIER packets
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0for different SIs to an appropriate L2L1 BFIR that is= part of the destination
> > area/SI.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0(if you would use SI number that are the same as ISIS= area numbers then
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 you could probably do this without any new signaling= . Not quite sure if
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 you can today easily find L1L2 border router for ano= ther area via existing
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TLVs).
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0Alas, this idea will probably be killed because of th= e BIER architecture
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0intent not to engineer SI assignments in geographical= fashions to
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0minimize traffic duplication in the presence of multi= ple SIs.
> >
> > Cheers
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:03:53AM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)= wrote:
> > > Tony/Toerless ???
> > >
> > > There is an explicit statement as to scope:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > Section 4.2
> > > ???
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 o=C2=A0 BIER sub-TLVs MUST NOT be included when= a prefix reachability
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0advertisement is leaked between le= vels.
> > > <end snip>
> > >
> > > Tony seems to have forgotten that we had a discussion about = how BIER
> > might be supported across areas and the conclusion was we did not= know
> > how to do that yet.
> > > (Sorry Tony)
> > >
> > > Note this is ???consistent??? with https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier-
> > ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt Section 2.5<https://www.ietf.org/id/dr= aft-ietf-
> > bier-ospf-bier-extensions-07.txt%20Section%202.5> - which= limits the
> > flooding scope of BIER information to a single area unless it can= be validated
> > that the best path to the prefix with BIER info can be validated = to be to a
> > router which itself advertised the BIER info. This is not somethi= ng IS-IS can do
> > since a single IS-IS instance only supports one area and therefor= e does not
> > have the Level-1 advertisements of the originating router when th= at router is
> > in another area.
> > >
> > > A few more responses inline.
> > >
> > > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Przygienda > > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:17 AM
> > > To: Toerless Eckert
> > > Cc: Hannes Gredler (hannes@gredler.at); Greg Shepherd; bier@ietf.org;
> > > isis-w= g@ietf.org list; Christian Hopps
> > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensio= ns-04
> > >
> > > Terminology is a bit nits=C2=A0 IMO since the doc is reading= clear enough for
> > someone who read BIER & ISIS. I can reread it or Les can comm= ent whether
> > we should tighten glossary ...
> > >
> > > With the scope I agree, that got lost and the doc should be = possibly rev'ed
> > before closing LC. Yes, we flood AD wide was the agreement but so= mething
> > mentioning that this could change in the future is good so we are= forced to
> > give it some thought how that would transition ...
> > >
> > > Thinking further though, in ISIS we have a clean document re= ally. The=C2=A0 BIER
> > sub-TLVs go into well defined TLVs in terms of flooding scope. No= rmal L1-L2
> > redistribution can be used to get the info to all needed places A= FAIS. So
> > maybe nothing needs to be written. I wait for Les to chime in. > > >
> > > OSPF I would have to look @ scopes again & think whether= we need to
> > write something or maybe Peter can comment ...
> > >
> > > --- tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Toerless Eckert
> > <tte@cs.fau= .de<mailto:tte@cs= .fau.de>> wrote:
> > > Sorry, past the two weeks, but hopefully=C2=A0 benign textua= l comments:
> > >
> > > We tried to find an explicit statement about the scope of BI= ER TLVs - eg:
> > > are they meant to stay within an area, have some redistribut= ion across
> > > areas/levels or not.
> > >
> > > Tony said WG agreement was to have these TLV be flooded acro= ss the
> > > whole ISIS domain for now (this draft). So an explicit state= ment to that
> > effect would
> > > be great (All BIER sub-domains TLVs are flooded across all I= SIS areas/levels,
> > so they span the whole ISIS domain).
> > >
> > > Also, if future work may/should could improve on that maybe = some
> > > sentence about that (i guess one could just have ISIS intra-= area BIER sub-
> > domains ?).
> > >
> > > Also: Do a check about possible ambiguity of any generic ter= ms like
> > sub-domain, level, area, topology so that reader that don't k= now the
> > terminology ofall protocols (ISIS, BIER) by heart can easily know= which
> > protocol is referred to.
> > >
> > > [Les:] There is no mention of ???level??? in the document. > > > The use of ???sub-domain??? is clearly always associated wit= h ???BIER???.
> > > ???topology??? is always used as an RFC 5120 topology ??? th= erefore
> > clearly an IS-IS topology.
> > > There is only one use of the term ???area??? (in Section 5.1= ). That text
> > might deserve a bit of clarification given this might be either a= Level 1 area or
> > the Level2 sub-domain. I???ll take a pass at it.
> > > (BTW ??? I am talking about IS-IS area/L2sub-domain Toerless= . ???)
> > >
> > > I don???t see that any other clarification is needed ??? but= Toerless ??? if
> > you can point to any specific sentences/paragraphs which you find= confusing
> > - I???ll take a second look.
> > >
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Les
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess there are no BIER level, area or topologies, but sti= ll makes
> > > reading easier if the doc would say "ISIS level", = "ISIS area", or at
> > > least have them in the Terminology section. And probably in<= br> > > > terminology say "domain -> in the context of this do= cument the BIER
> > domain which is also the same as the ISIS domain"
> > > (which i hope is the correct statement, see above).
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Toerless
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BIER mailing list
> > > BIER@ietf= .org<mailto:BIER@= ietf.org>
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > We???ve heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards = could
> > produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Int= ernet,
> > we know that is not true.
> > > ???Robert Wilensky
> >
> > --
> > ---
> > tte@cs.fau.de<= /a>

=C2=A0


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This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for BIER Protocol Authors : Ran Chen Fangwei Hu Zheng Zhang Xianxian Dai Mahesh Sivakumar Filename : draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang-03.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2018-02-06 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for BIER configuration and operation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please voice your opinion. PROBLEM DESCRIPTION: Current IGP drafts: Advertised values: Label Base Range Size - must be greater then 0 Label Range:

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:38 AM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@ci= sco.com> wrote:
Hi,

we need feedback from people on the list whether we want to change the enco= ding of the label range in the BIER MPLS Encapsulation Sub-TLV in both IGPs= (OSPF, ISIS).

Please voice your opinion.


PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:

Current IGP drafts:

Advertised values:
Label Base
Range Size - must be greater then 0

Label Range: <Label Base, (Label Base + Range Size - 1)>


Proposed Change:

Advertised values:
Label Base
Range Size - can be 0

Label Range: <Label Base, (Label Base + Range Size)>

Pros of the new encoding:

1. allows the max label range size of 256, while the original encoding allo= ws max label range size of 255.

Cons of the new encoding:

1. 0 as range size is unintuitive
2. incompatibility between the new and old encoding

thanks,
Peter


=C2=A0On 30/01/18 12:14 , Peter Psenak wrote:
On 30/01/18 10:54 , Xiejingrong wrote:
I mean,
Current old version allocate 100 labels, Label base + 0 for SI<0>, Label Base + 99 for SI<199>.
Proposed new version allocate 101 Labels, Label base + 0 for SI<0>, Label Base + 99 for SI<199>, Label Base + 100 for SI<200>.
New version is 'compatible' with old version, because New version c= an
process any BIER packet that previously appeared with old version.

if you mix old and new routers, then the new routers would believe they
can use 101 labels, even though old one would only allocate 100.

Peter



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Psenak [mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:42 PM
To: Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com>; IJsbrand Wijnands
<ice@cisco.com>= ;; Senthil Dhanaraj <senthil.dhanaraj@huawei.com>
Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bier] Clarification regarding label-range-size in
draft-ietf-bier-ospf-bier-extensions-10

On 30/01/18 10:36 , Xiejingrong wrote:
Support.

Maybe there is no compatibility problem, only intuitive problem ----
can be solved by draft description.

there is a compatibility problem:

Label: 100
Range Size: 100

Current IGP drafts:
Valid labels: 100-199

Proposed encoding:
Valid labels: 100-200

thanks,
Peter



*From:*BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *IJsbrand
Wijnands
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 30, 2018 5:34 PM
*To:* Senthil Dhanaraj <senthil.dhanaraj@huawei.com>
*Cc:* bier@ietf.org;= Peter Psenak <pp= senak@cisco.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Bier] Clarification regarding label-range-size in
draft-ietf-bier-ospf-bier-extensions-10

Hi Folks,

I support changing the OSPF and ISIS drafts to reflect it. Value 0 is
a valid index, as it just means the base value is the only valid Label.

I=E2=80=99m not too concerned about compatibility as the problem would only=
show when using Set 255.

Thanks for catching it!

Ice.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 30 Jan 2018, at 10:20, Senthil
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dhanaraj <senthil.dhanaraj@huawei.com
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:senthil.dhanaraj@huawei.com>> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Peter,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I hope, it's still early days with no commercial de= ployments of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BIER yet.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is better to accommodate any changes/corrections if = we feel
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the point is valid.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Note:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-06.txt does not = clearly specified
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the rule,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 label-end =3D label-base + (label-range - 1) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (or)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 label-end =3D label-base + (label-range)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- However draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-06 too m= entioned that "
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The label range size MUST be greater than 0"


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0May be we shall collect other opinions and arrive at a = common
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0consensus for both ospf/isis extensions.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Senthil



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: Peter Psenak [mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: 30 January 2018 14:30
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To: Senthil Dhanaraj <senthil.dhanaraj@huawei.com
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:senthil.dhanaraj@huawei.com>>; bier@ietf.org
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:bier@ietf.org>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject: Re: [Bier] Clarification regarding label-range= -size in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-bier-ospf-bier-extensions-10

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Senthil,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I let others to chime in.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I see your point, but I'm bit worried about the cha= nge in encoding
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0from the compatibility perspective.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Peter

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 30/01/18 06:30 , Senthil Dhanaraj wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Peter,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Agreed.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0However, below is the concern.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[SEN2] Max =E2=80=9Clabel range size=E2= =80=9D =3D 255=C2=A0 ( since the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0label-range-size is of size - 1 byte ) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9Clabel-end=E2=80=9D =3D =E2=80=9Clabel range base=E2=80= =9D + 255 =E2=80=93 1
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Which means, we can support only 255 SIs, never
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0256 SIs ?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Hence the max bfr's which can be supported is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0only 255
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(SIs) * 256 (bsl) =3D 65280 BFR=E2=80=99s= . (not 65535 as quoted by Bier
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Arch RFC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in some of the text's)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Senthil



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: Peter Psenak [mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: 29 January 2018 20:37
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To: Senthil Dhanaraj <senthil.dhanaraj@huawei.co= m
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:senthil.dhanaraj@huawei.com>= >; bier@ietf.org<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:bier@ietf.org>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject: Re: [Bier] Clarification regardi= ng label-range-size in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-bier-ospf-bier-extensions= -10

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Senthil,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Lbl Range Size in both OSPF and ISIS BIER= extension is a value
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0from <1,255>. Label Base is a first= label of the range.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Using value 0 as a valid size is non intu= itive and confusing.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Proposed change would be incompatible wit= h existing
implementations.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the problem you are trying to add= ress?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0thanks,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Peter

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 29/01/18 10:22 , Senthil Dhanaraj wrot= e:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dear Authors of draft-ietf-= bier-ospf-bier-extensions-10,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0**

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A clarification required re= garding the =E2=80=9Clabel-range-size=E2=80=9D
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0field in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BIER MPLS Sub TLV.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Kindly check.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0**

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0**

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*RFC 8279=C2=A0 (Section 3)= *

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A BFR MUST s= upport SI values in the range [0,15] and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MAY support
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SI

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 values in th= e range [0,255].=C2=A0 ("Supporting the values
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in a given

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 range" = means, in this context, that any value in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0given range
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 legal and wi= ll be properly interpreted.)=C2=A0 Note that
for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a given

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BitStringLen= gth, the total number of BFR-ids that
can be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0represented

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 is the produ= ct of the BitStringLength and the
number of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0supported

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SIs.=C2=A0 F= or example, if a deployment uses (in a given
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sub-domain)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BitStringLen= gth of 64 and supports 256 SIs, that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0deployment can
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0only

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 support 1638= 4 BFR-ids in that sub-domain.=C2=A0 Even a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0deployment
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0that

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 supports 256= SIs will not be able to support 65,535
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BFR-ids unless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0it=C2=A0 =C2=A0// [SEN1]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 uses a BitSt= ringLength of at least 256.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[SEN1] In general, the assu= mption is that,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 Max BFR-Ids supported =3D [bsl * NumOfSI] (ofcourse
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0range
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[1 =E2=80=93 65535])

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*draft-ietf-bier-ospf-bier-= extensions-10 (Section 2.2)*

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The BIER MPLS Encapsulation= Sub-TLV has the following
format:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 1 2 3 4 5 = 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5
6 7
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A08 9 0 1



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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Type=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Length =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0|



+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |Lbl Range S= ize |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Label Range Ba= se
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0|



+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0The "label range" is the set of labels beginning
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0label

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0range base and ending with ((label range
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0base)+(label range size)-= =C2=A0 =C2=A0// [SEN2]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A01).=C2=A0 A unique label range is allocated for each
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BitStream
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0and Sub-domain-ID.=C2=A0 These labels are used for BIER
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0forwarding
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0described in [I-D.ietf-bier-architecture] and

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0[I-D.ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation].



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0The size of the label range is determined by the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0number of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Set

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0Identifiers (SI) (section 1 of
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0that

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0are used in the network.=C2=A0 Each SI maps to a single
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0label in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0label range.=C2=A0 The first label is for SI=3D0, the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0second label
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is for

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0SI=3D1, etc.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[SEN2] Max =E2=80=9Clabel r= ange size=E2=80=9D =3D 255

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =E2=80=9Clabel-end=E2=80=9D =3D =E2=80=9Clabel range base=E2=80=9D + 25= 5 =E2=80=93 1

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 Which means, we can support only 255 SIs, never
256
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SIs ?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 255 (SIs) * 256 (bsl) =3D 65280 BFR=E2=80=99s.



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There are many RFCs where the dependencies of optional features are not normative references. Can you point to a BCP that supports your interpretation? 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"\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 16:54:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4F9EC2EF60F4F2A73D6AD4FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just to provide a bit more context ... I think there will be implementations of bier-mvpn before there are any implementations of mvpn-expl-track.  When mvpn-expl-track goes for last call, someone is bound to object that it should be held until there is an implementation.  If mvpn-expl-track is a normative reference of bier-mvpn, then bier-mvpn will have to wait on the RFC Editor's queue until there is an implementation of one of its optional features.  This doesn't seem appropriate. I also don't want to go through the overhead of separating bier-mvpn into two drafts, one specifying the mandatory features and one specifying the optional feature.  That seems like it would just be a waste of everyone's time. That is why I am pushing back against your request to make mvpn-expl-track a normative reference of bier-mvpn. On 2/6/2018 5:02 PM, Alvaro Retana wrote: > On February 6, 2018 at 3:36:03 PM, Eric C Rosen (erosen@juniper.net > ) wrote: > > Eric: > > Hi! > >> On 2/6/2018 3:22 PM, Alvaro Retana wrote: >> > The reference to draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track >> (EXPLICIT_TRACKING) should be >> > Normative because of the use of the LIR-pF flag in this document. >> >> The use of the LIR-pF flag in the bier-mvpn document is optional. That's >> why I thought the reference to the explicit tracking draft should be >> informational.  The mandatory features of the bier-mvpn document can be >> implemented without any understanding of the LIR-pF mechanism. >> >> Is that reasoning incorrect? > > Even if the use is optional, the document specifies its use when it is > utilized.  To me, that is what makes it Normative. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > --------------4F9EC2EF60F4F2A73D6AD4FF Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just to provide a bit more context ...

I think there will be implementations of bier-mvpn before there are any implementations of mvpn-expl-track.  When mvpn-expl-track goes for last call, someone is bound to object that it should be held until there is an implementation.  If mvpn-expl-track is a normative reference of bier-mvpn, then bier-mvpn will have to wait on the RFC Editor's queue until there is an implementation of one of its optional features.  This doesn't seem appropriate.

I also don't want to go through the overhead of separating bier-mvpn into two drafts, one specifying the mandatory features and one specifying the optional feature.  That seems like it would just be a waste of everyone's time.

That is why I am pushing back against your request to make mvpn-expl-track a normative reference of bier-mvpn.

On 2/6/2018 5:02 PM, Alvaro Retana wrote:
On February 6, 2018 at 3:36:03 PM, Eric C Rosen (erosen@juniper.net) wrote:

Eric:

Hi!

On 2/6/2018 3:22 PM, Alvaro Retana wrote: 
> The reference to draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track (EXPLICIT_TRACKING) should be 
> Normative because of the use of the LIR-pF flag in this document. 

The use of the LIR-pF flag in the bier-mvpn document is optional. That's 
why I thought the reference to the explicit tracking draft should be 
informational.  The mandatory features of the bier-mvpn document can be 
implemented without any understanding of the LIR-pF mechanism. 

Is that reasoning incorrect? 

Even if the use is optional, the document specifies its use when it is utilized.  To me, that is what makes it Normative.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


--------------4F9EC2EF60F4F2A73D6AD4FF-- From nobody Wed Feb 7 09:29:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E9612E051 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:29:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mG5pHTOgbf94 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC39B12E050 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id 141so4809196wme.3 for ; Wed, 07 Feb 2018 09:29:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5kVyTkqHpB0WAW1B2K2sOx8ujHVRXxzONiL/jVEKb7E=; b=lPt3urm5DehCVUmfGhxMVLrOnuXCuM8kb3YhDEGaruYJbq6DT4BMT9GaKfobeppbhI addYXmunomQVDpimENVeYJp3qD30lwvoeHIOnNaXzRHWoxBypPEDg2AOEnOI8nLdPYx2 vWj1y/JZdwPR8OPbi2CoVx6h4xlcZSO7iMVempJEfYCfPETuxxjeh40jAd7hj2+YEE1M LBMaBgXdLzKNtTKdh6DLeKH3eSfWPILjYC9hNvXvde4SCUH3cLDOg0uKkrYIpgLyFb3Z I6Y6btaL9iqDQq6vCnW+arc70gipAaZ35qgbignfffMOnPaTnE4rMM7PuLyr6sEqa6cq b7xw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5kVyTkqHpB0WAW1B2K2sOx8ujHVRXxzONiL/jVEKb7E=; b=AMr1khBQAv7omunO8agCvRSijmFKn+HViZ8TWZJw746P4TaVJQjIMKCIAqmUcOACap ZlZyvGMubhN9jv35yAWWatQ/NqIWeD/bUuUqkLnRMAMcJgfGUyrP7A9RxfSLEp7JLo7x 3TsM8zHunvM5UVqs+wSO1nHFLwnvDUDwwSoxaVorACAOLGsXf2E6fJQTF+UinNwJlViH 7gxdW7FrJS+gZ/TbFjNu5jGz3rk5821Kg+hM/F5fL2Rjejf1WuGTCjegLokVp3v94rDS Yzfx3q6IAULpOoOFqI8sP+LWAIVuSzctuFPIRWuLj+WWhXek0BMg2zO+ixhfwlsuvlvl 8t0A== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPAhH4pVJOKunEgY+rJpsJj63EAEBWEGooXXa1xOffAIiGk+PsFL 6HAve5q30661LqgRj+CVMJxUtP6TPrU9qJksXkSSYA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224kFo+cm7QTF3viFexjR1fAX8KZjp5EXbPAVUsHA6uCAIKLo2pJrNdDGL15gN8tBWKmBit50+3d3fLsgo7Zpq0= X-Received: by 10.80.148.217 with SMTP id t25mr9168292eda.121.1518024540337; Wed, 07 Feb 2018 09:29:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.182.239 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:28:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9778B23E32FB2745BEA3BE037F185DC4A5BA0BA2@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> <5A6F38A6.3080601@cisco.com> <9778B23E32FB2745BEA3BE037F185DC4A5BA0FE3@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> <5A70340D.7090406@cisco.com> <9778B23E32FB2745BEA3BE037F185DC4A5BA1093@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> <8B672236-585F-4BEB-9A93-8991DAEB7E4D@cisco.com> <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A1564E@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5A703DF3.4050103@cisco.com> <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99A15689@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> <5A70539B.1090307@cisco.com> <5A7ABB22.5070306@cisco.com> From: Tony Przygienda Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:28:20 -0800 Message-ID: To: "IJsbrand Wijnands (iwijnand)" Cc: "Peter Psenak (ppsenak)" , "bier@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045c23167cb83b0564a2a176" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Clarification regarding label-range-size in draft-ietf-bier-ospf-bier-extensions-10 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 17:29:22 -0000 --f403045c23167cb83b0564a2a176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes, agree much here. Naming things properly is the best and easiest way to avoid confusion later. Range is always a bad word since we casually confuse in language inclusive and exclusive ranges (well, at least in the Olde Speake of Shakespeare) ;-) --- tony On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:21 AM, IJsbrand Wijnands (iwijnand) wrote: > I think its fine to change it. Maybe rename the field to something like > Max SetID, Index, to avoid confusion with Length being 0. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 7 Feb 2018, at 10:23, Tony Przygienda wrote: > > Agree fully with analysis, as long as RFCs explain that choice and its > implications clearly either one is fine for me (speaking as individual > here), implementations will adjust, it's early enough ... > > --- tony > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:38 AM, Peter Psenak wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> we need feedback from people on the list whether we want to change the >> encoding of the label range in the BIER MPLS Encapsulation Sub-TLV in bo= th >> IGPs (OSPF, ISIS). >> >> Please voice your opinion. >> >> >> PROBLEM DESCRIPTION: >> >> Current IGP drafts: >> >> Advertised values: >> Label Base >> Range Size - must be greater then 0 >> >> Label Range: