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Hi folks,
How do you think about BIER for Native Multicast ?
(1) Use COMMON upstream-assigned VpnLabel defined in draft-ietf-bier-mvpn f=
or GTM also, because GTM use the same arch as BGP-MVPN (See Native Instance=
 as a COMMON VRF instance).
(2) Use special MPLS Label velue 0 and 2 as upstream-assigned VpnLabel, so =
the GTM and the case when BGP-MVPN signal is not used both can use in a sam=
e manner.
(3) Use a BIER Proto=3D4/6 for Native Multicast using GTM and Native Multic=
ast not using GTM, while using BIER Proto=3D2 for draft-ietf-bier-mvpn.

Thanks
Jingrong


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">How do you think about BIER for=
 Native Multicast ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">(1) Use COMMON upstream-assigne=
d VpnLabel defined in draft-ietf-bier-mvpn for GTM also, because GTM use th=
e same arch as BGP-MVPN (See Native Instance as a COMMON VRF instance).<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">(2) Use special MPLS Label velu=
e 0 and 2 as upstream-assigned VpnLabel, so the GTM and the case when BGP-M=
VPN signal is not used both can use in a same manner.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">(3) Use a BIER Proto=3D4/6 for =
Native Multicast using GTM and Native Multicast not using GTM, while using =
BIER Proto=3D2 for draft-ietf-bier-mvpn.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jingrong<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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There is no real difference between any of those; though I would not do (2)=
.

Jeffrey

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Xiejingrong
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:23 PM
To: bier@ietf.org
Subject: [Bier] BIER for Native Multicast


Hi folks,
How do you think about BIER for Native Multicast ?
(1) Use COMMON upstream-assigned VpnLabel defined in draft-ietf-bier-mvpn f=
or GTM also, because GTM use the same arch as BGP-MVPN (See Native Instance=
 as a COMMON VRF instance).
(2) Use special MPLS Label velue 0 and 2 as upstream-assigned VpnLabel, so =
the GTM and the case when BGP-MVPN signal is not used both can use in a sam=
e manner.
(3) Use a BIER Proto=3D4/6 for Native Multicast using GTM and Native Multic=
ast not using GTM, while using BIER Proto=3D2 for draft-ietf-bier-mvpn.

Thanks
Jingrong


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quot;Times New Roman&quot;"> BIER &lt;bier-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Xiejingrong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> bier@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bier] BIER for Native Multicast<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How do you think about BIER for Native Multicast ?<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(1) Use COMMON upstream-assigned VpnLabel defined in=
 draft-ietf-bier-mvpn for GTM also, because GTM use the same arch as BGP-MV=
PN (See Native Instance as a COMMON VRF instance).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(2) Use special MPLS Label velue 0 and 2 as upstream=
-assigned VpnLabel, so the GTM and the case when BGP-MVPN signal is not use=
d both can use in a same manner.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(3) Use a BIER Proto=3D4/6 for Native Multicast usin=
g GTM and Native Multicast not using GTM, while using BIER Proto=3D2 for dr=
aft-ietf-bier-mvpn.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dear all

Just a general comment on ISIS and R and X flag, there is some ambiguity on=
 these flags when as an example

1.            Leaking BIER Sub-TLVs between Multi-instance ISIS, it would m=
ake sense to not set the X flag when a local prefix is redistributed betwee=
n instances.
2.            Same as SR In the case where a Level-1-2 router has local int=
erface addresses configured in one level, it may also propagate these addre=
sses into the other level.  In such case, the Level-1-2 router MUST NOT set=
 the R bit.

What is the view of the WG on these topics

Regards

Hooman

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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and R and X flag, there is some ambiguity on these flags when as an example
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Leaking BIER Sub-TLVs between Multi-i=
nstance ISIS, it would make sense to not set the X flag when a local prefix=
 is redistributed between instances.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Same as SR </span><span lang=3D"EN" s=
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router has local interface addresses configured in one level, it may also p=
ropagate these addresses into
 the other level.&nbsp; In such case, the Level-1-2 router MUST NOT set the=
 R bit.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier=
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Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier=
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Hooman -

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794 is the authoritative document on IS-IS =
prefix attribute flags. RFC 8401 is NOT making any changes to  RFC 7794  (i=
ndeed - why would it?).

If you are unclear on when X and R flags should be set please direct your q=
uestion to the LSR WG.

Some responses inline.

From: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:54 AM
To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com>; prz@juniper.net; aldrin.i=
etf@gmail.com; zzhang@juniper.net
Cc: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.co=
m>; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>; bier-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: RFC 8401 clarification

Dear all

Just a general comment on ISIS and R and X flag, there is some ambiguity on=
 these flags when as an example

1.            Leaking BIER Sub-TLVs between Multi-instance ISIS, it would m=
ake sense to not set the X flag when a local prefix is redistributed betwee=
n instances.

[Les:] As per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1

"X-Flag:  External Prefix Flag (Bit 0)
      Set if the prefix has been redistributed from another protocol.
      This includes the case where multiple virtual routers are
      supported and the source of the redistributed prefix is another
      IS-IS instance."

2.            Same as SR In the case where a Level-1-2 router has local int=
erface addresses configured in one level, it may also propagate these addre=
sses into the other level.  In such case, the Level-1-2 router MUST NOT set=
 the R bit.

[Les:] When an L1L2 router advertises its local addresses it may do so in i=
ts own L1 and/or L2 LSPs. This is NOT "leaking" and the R-bit will NOT be s=
et in such cases.
Leaking is when an L1L2 router leaks prefixes originated by other routers u=
pwards or downwards.

   Les

What is the view of the WG on these topics

Regards

Hooman

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hooman &#8211;<o:p></o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/rfc7794">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794</a> is the au=
thoritative document on IS-IS prefix attribute flags. RFC 8401 is NOT makin=
g any changes to &nbsp;RFC 7794&nbsp; (indeed &#8211;
 why would it?).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">If you are unclear on =
when X and R flags should be set please direct your question to the LSR WG.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Some responses inline.=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) &lt=
;hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) &lt;ginsberg@cisco.com&gt;; prz@juniper.=
net; aldrin.ietf@gmail.com; zzhang@juniper.net<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &lt;gunter.van_de_veld=
e@nokia.com&gt;; BIER WG &lt;bier@ietf.org&gt;; bier-chairs@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RFC 8401 clarification <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just a general comment on ISIS and R and X flag, the=
re is some ambiguity on these flags when as an example
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Leaking BIER Sub-TLVs between Multi-instance ISIS, it woul=
d make sense to not set the X flag when a local prefix is redistributed bet=
ween instances.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Les:] As per <a=
 href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794#section-2.1</a> <o:p></o:p></span></i><=
/b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:5.25pt"><b><i><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">&#8220;X-Flag:&nbsp; External Prefix Flag (Bit 0)<o:p></o:p></=
span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:5.25pt"><b><i><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Set if the prefix has been redi=
stributed from another protocol.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:5.25pt"><b><i><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This includes the case where mu=
ltiple virtual routers are<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:5.25pt"><b><i><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; supported and the source of the=
 redistributed prefix is another<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; IS-IS instance.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">2.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Same as SR <span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">
In the case where a Level-1-2 router has local interface addresses configur=
ed in one level, it may also propagate these addresses into the other level=
.&nbsp; In such case, the Level-1-2 router MUST NOT set the R bit.&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Les=
:] When an L1L2 router advertises its local addresses it may do so in its o=
wn L1 and/or L2 LSPs. This is NOT &#8220;leaking&#8221; and the R-bit will =
NOT be set in such cases.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Leak=
ing is when an L1L2 router leaks prefixes originated by other routers upwar=
ds or downwards.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p=
>&nbsp;</o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbs=
p;&nbsp; Les<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;">What is the view of the WG on these topics<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"><br>
Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 5:37 AM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com=
>
wrote:

> Hooman =E2=80=93
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>
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7794 is the authoritative document on
> IS-IS prefix attribute flags. RFC 8401 is NOT making any changes to  RFC
> 7794  (indeed =E2=80=93 why would it?).
>
>
>

+1, additionally, LSR is chartered with this work, not BIER, so in a sense,
not my circus and stuff ;-)  ...

--- tony

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu=
, Sep 20, 2018 at 5:37 AM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gin=
sberg@cisco.com">ginsberg@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Hooman =E2=80=93<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://too=
ls.ietf.org/html/rfc7794" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc=
7794</a> is the authoritative document on IS-IS prefix attribute flags. RFC=
 8401 is NOT making any changes to =C2=A0RFC 7794=C2=A0 (indeed =E2=80=93
 why would it?).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></p></div=
></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1, additionally, LSR is chartered =
with this work, not BIER, so in a sense, not my circus and stuff ;-)=C2=A0 =
... <br></div><div><br></div><div>--- tony <br></div></div></div>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF.

        Title           : YANG Data Model for BIER Protocol
        Authors         : Ran Chen
                          Fangwei Hu
                          Zheng Zhang
                          Xianxian Dai
                          Mahesh Sivakumar
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-bier-yang-04.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2018-09-29

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG data model for BIER configuration and
   operation.


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