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Cheers,
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Support

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From: BIER <bier-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.c= om>
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 5:42:24 PM
To: Antoni Przygienda; bier@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= ietf-bier-pim-signaling/
 

Support as co-autho= r.

 

Thanks

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From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> on behal= f of Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 2:36 PM
To: "bier@ietf.org" <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: [Bier] WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf= -bier-pim-signaling/

 

This thread initiates 2 weeks WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ per re= quest and consensus @ IETF 102 =85

 

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Regards, Greg On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 14:39 Antoni Przygienda wrote: > Based on consensus/request during IETF 102 this thread starts adoption > request for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bier-php/ > > > > Please voice support/dissent/comments =E2=80=A6 > > > > --- tony > > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --00000000000011ef3605776f7638 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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19:33:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext-04.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 02:33:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : BGP Link-State extensions for BIER Authors : Ran Chen Zheng Zhang Vengada Prasad Govindan IJsbrand Wijnands Filename : draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext-04.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2018-10-07 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per- flow state. BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. The BIER header contains a bitstring in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. 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<732fa5ef-b398-4299-bd14-284a666c886c.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> In-Reply-To: <732fa5ef-b398-4299-bd14-284a666c886c.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> From: Tony Przygienda Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 21:04:02 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?5b6Q5bCP6JmOKOS5ieWFiCk=?= Cc: BIER , BIER WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000065b0720577c3d50a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 04:04:30 -0000 --00000000000065b0720577c3d50a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we had 10 hands or so support in the room so please other vendors chime in ... -- tony On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 6:33 PM =E5=BE=90=E5=B0=8F=E8=99=8E(=E4=B9=89=E5=85= =88) wrote: > > Support the adoption as a co-author. > > Best regards, > Xiaohu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From:Antoni Przygienda > Send Time:2018=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5(=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80)= 23:26 > To:bier@ietf.org > Subject:[Bier] BIER WG adoption of > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ > > Based on request and consensus in IETF 102 this thread starts official > call for adoption for > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ > > > > Please voice support/opposition & comments > > > > > > --- tony > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --00000000000065b0720577c3d50a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
we had 10 hands or so support in the room so please o= ther vendors chime in ...

-- tony
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Support the adoption as a co-author= .

Best r= egards,
Xiaohu
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Based on request and co= nsensus in IETF 102 this thread starts official call for adoption for=C2=A0= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-= entropy-staged-dc-clos/

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X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-1.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:18:15 -0000 I Support this document for adoption. I do think some clarification is = required, but it can be done after adoption. Thx, Ice. > On 8 Oct 2018, at 17:26, Antoni Przygienda wrote: >=20 > Based on request and consensus in IETF 102 this thread starts official = call for adoption for = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ > =20 > Please voice support/opposition & comments > =20 > =20 > --- tony > =20 > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier From nobody Wed Oct 10 06:09:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D60130F20 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:08:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UNHYBygEBWyC for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 543AE130EFF for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:08:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1579; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1539176936; x=1540386536; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=WHLLDnh/7sCBwQ8sM4vT9E9LwwwjO1wO4b+qi9FiICM=; b=IS0ozlIkS5nXxjpMhn0W95pfecZrP/bo/DmBgKLA9IV+vq6N4J1uWxc3 J3XKz7uwwdmZTv/XeHt0uIvmo7Ew25CNxywAevH8cof9bCIMo7o1V4DJg ouATxbHJSLskVyA/Hg40C+5NnE/sTJ4nDLuVgIErxxy5GC9kryLcArNUj A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AHAADS971b/xbLJq1kGQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQcBAQEBAQGBUwIBAQEBAQsBgmt/KIN1iHSMJQEBBoE1iH+NfxSBZgs?= =?us-ascii?q?BARgLgVSCdQKEcTYLDQEDAQECAQECbRwMhTkBAQEBAgEBASFLCwULCw4KAgI?= =?us-ascii?q?mAgInMAYTgyEBgXQFCA+kV4EuhDMHPYUYBYELikZ5gQeBEicfgkyDGwEBAwG?= =?us-ascii?q?BJSALDYMBMYIEIgKeBgmGUYMThm0XgU+EaYlTjDCGZYJQAgQGBQIUgUkBMIF?= =?us-ascii?q?VTSMVOyoBgkE+gW0SERiIMYVAPTCKAIJLAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.54,364,1534809600"; d="scan'208";a="7078117" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 10 Oct 2018 13:08:53 +0000 Received: from ams-iwijnand-8813.cisco.com (ams-iwijnand-8813.cisco.com [10.60.202.84]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9AD8rTG021952 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:08:53 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) From: IJsbrand Wijnands In-Reply-To: <497C28F0-AF6B-48B5-A979-165C82AF27E1@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:08:52 +0200 Cc: "bier@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <95A70C7D-6E74-473A-BF52-750BBE5BC994@cisco.com> References: <497C28F0-AF6B-48B5-A979-165C82AF27E1@juniper.net> To: Antoni Przygienda X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.60.202.84, ams-iwijnand-8813.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bier-php/ X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:09:07 -0000 Dear WG, This is an interesting area, but for me there is clarification needed to = support this draft as a WG document. * When doing PHP, the BIER header is removed. That also removes the = Context (for the upstream Label) of the packet, that is required to map = it to the correct VPN or application. To me it sounds like this proposal = does not work for MVPN and EVPN, but only global table Multicast. I = assume that when a upstream assigned label is at the bottom of the BIER = header, the BIER header is removed, and the Upstream label is left in = place. How does the egress router know this label is upstream or = downstream? By adding a global unique downstream Label into the Upstream = label space you can probably solve that, but it needs to be documented = this is a restriction. * When there is no Upstream label below the BIER header, the Multicast = packet is sent natively to the egress PE. How will the egress PE do the = RPF check in order to accept the packet? * This draft does require an upgraded software version of the Egress = router in order to signal PHP, right?=20 Thx, Ice. > On 3 Oct 2018, at 23:39, Antoni Przygienda wrote: >=20 > Based on consensus/request during IETF 102 this thread starts adoption = request for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bier-php/ > =20 > Please voice support/dissent/comments =E2=80=A6 > =20 > --- tony > =20 > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier From nobody Wed Oct 10 07:15:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67219130F39 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 07:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bier-php/ X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:10:15 -0000 Hi Jeffrey,=20 > o The payload after BIER header is MPLS packet with downstream- > assigned label at top of stack (i.e., the Proto field in the BIER > header is 2), For example, labels from a Domain-wide Common Block > (DCB) are used as specified in [I-D.zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn- > aggregation-label]. Ah, not sure why, I overlooked that part ;-)=20 This solved my main objection, I support. >>=20 >> * When there is no Upstream label below the BIER header, the = Multicast >> packet is sent natively to the egress PE. How will the egress PE do = the RPF >> check in order to accept the packet? >=20 > The egress RPF would either disable the RPF check or specify any "core = interfaces" to be expected incoming interface. This is similar to using = P2MP tunnels to send multicast traffic w/o signaling (a deployment = scenario that has been supported by certain vendors already). >=20 > More importantly, I would expect MVPN/GTM/EVPN kind of deployment is = the more appropriate scenario, where there will be a VPN/BD label used, = which can associate the packets with a virtual RPF interface. If we're = just transitioning an existing PIM deployment to using BIER, then there = is no explicit set of edge routers (the premise of PHP is really that = some edge routers, like VPN/EVPN PEs, cannot be upgraded to support BIER = forwarding) - we can just run PIM if a router does not support BIER yet. >=20 > I can clarify this in the draft. Ok.=20 >=20 >>=20 >> * This draft does require an upgraded software version of the Egress = router in >> order to signal PHP, right? >=20 > Yes - at least it does not require hardware upgrade :-) Indeed, Thx, Ice. >=20 > Thanks! > Jeffrey >=20 >>=20 >> Thx, >>=20 >> Ice. >>=20 >>> On 3 Oct 2018, at 23:39, Antoni Przygienda wrote: >>>=20 >>> Based on consensus/request during IETF 102 this thread starts = adoption >> request for https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- >> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dzzhang-2Dbier- >> 2Dphp_&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- >> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& >> m=3DMHOYT0MTPnGU7-SyEX7XAKCB_PvAtekCQA8c_v34l88&s=3DeN3c_C- >> EyJQ3XqPzTCK6bVlK0US32ynkeG6QEsifoNQ&e=3D >>>=20 >>> Please voice support/dissent/comments =E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> --- tony >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BIER mailing list >>> BIER@ietf.org >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- >> 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scb= f >> h0UjBXeMK- >> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& >> m=3DMHOYT0MTPnGU7- >> SyEX7XAKCB_PvAtekCQA8c_v34l88&s=3Dky0R7wtyNi_WCqe036LclCNd38lc01Zl7 >> lWnU0NEHLY&e=3D >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> BIER mailing list >> BIER@ietf.org >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- >> 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scb= f >> h0UjBXeMK- >> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& >> m=3DMHOYT0MTPnGU7- >> SyEX7XAKCB_PvAtekCQA8c_v34l88&s=3Dky0R7wtyNi_WCqe036LclCNd38lc01Zl7 >> lWnU0NEHLY&e=3D From nobody Wed Oct 10 09:18:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB1B130E9D for ; 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This is similar to = using P2MP tunnels to send multicast traffic w/o signaling (a deployment = scenario that has been supported by certain vendors already). Thinking a bit more about this.. Disabling the RPF check I don=E2=80=99t = like too much. Considering that modifications to the control-plane are = allowed, it would be a good deployment practise to *always* advertise a = downstream label, also for the global table scenario, maybe even make it = mandatory for this solution... That way at least you can map the = incoming interface to the BIER Virtual interface, which I think is good = enough. Or, define BIER_IPV4_EXPLICIT_NULL and BIER_IPV6_EXPLICIT_NULL = if we can get it. Something to consider.. Thx, Ice. 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10 Oct 2018 20:31:10 +0000 Received: from ams-iwijnand-8813.cisco.com (ams-iwijnand-8813.cisco.com [10.60.202.84]) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9AKV9VY011440 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:31:10 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) From: IJsbrand Wijnands In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:31:09 +0200 Cc: Antoni Przygienda , "bier@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <533DB2F1-E4C0-4DE0-8920-A4B9C0A4CE57@cisco.com> References: <497C28F0-AF6B-48B5-A979-165C82AF27E1@juniper.net> <95A70C7D-6E74-473A-BF52-750BBE5BC994@cisco.com> <6093F946-F9C0-4298-83B3-1948AB918D30@cisco.com> To: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.60.202.84, ams-iwijnand-8813.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-1.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bier-php/ X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:31:23 -0000 Hi Jeffrey, I=E2=80=99m proposing to remove this section of the draft: *** The payload after BIER header is IPv4 or IPv6 (i.e., the Proto field in the BIER header is 4 or 6). Notice that in this case the Destination Address in the IPv4/IPv6 header must be in the address space for the BIER layer. *** If that is your thinking too, we are in sync. Thx, Ice. > On 10 Oct 2018, at 21:52, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang = wrote: >=20 > Hi Ice, > =20 > I think we're on the same page - I said the following earlier: > =20 > > More importantly, I would expect MVPN/GTM/EVPN kind of deployment is = the more appropriate scenario, where there will be a VPN/BD label used, = which can associate the packets with a virtual RPF interface. If we're = just transitioning an existing PIM deployment to using BIER, then there = is no explicit set of edge routers (the premise of PHP is really that = some edge routers, like VPN/EVPN PEs, cannot be upgraded to support BIER = forwarding) - we can just run PIM if a router does not support BIER yet. > =20 > Notice the red text above =E2=80=93 I am assuming you=E2=80=99re = talking about BGP based overlay signaling. > =20 > Jeffrey > =20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IJsbrand Wijnands > > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:18 PM > > To: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang > > Cc: Antoni Przygienda ; bier@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft- > > zzhang-bier-php/ > > > > Jeffrey, > > > > >> The egress RPF would either disable the RPF check or specify any = "core > > interfaces" to be expected incoming interface. This is similar to = using P2MP > > tunnels to send multicast traffic w/o signaling (a deployment = scenario that has > > been supported by certain vendors already). > > > > Thinking a bit more about this.. Disabling the RPF check I don=E2=80=99= t like too much. > > Considering that modifications to the control-plane are allowed, it = would be a > > good deployment practise to *always* advertise a downstream label, = also for > > the global table scenario, maybe even make it mandatory for this = solution... > > That way at least you can map the incoming interface to the BIER = Virtual > > interface, which I think is good enough. Or, define = BIER_IPV4_EXPLICIT_NULL > > and BIER_IPV6_EXPLICIT_NULL if we can get it. Something to = consider.. > > > > Thx, > > > > Ice. 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The final IETF agenda is not yet published. But we as a WG can put ours together. Please respond with your request with the topic or draft name, presenter, and required time. Thanks, Shep (Chairs) --000000000000af6b7d0577e739cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WG,

We should have at least a 2hr slot,= maybe 2.5. The final IETF agenda is not yet published. But we as a WG can = put ours together.

Please respond with your reques= t with the topic or draft name, presenter, and required time.
Thanks,
Shep
(Chairs)
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<16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B04460@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> From: Tony Przygienda Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:06:18 -0700 Message-ID: To: Xiejingrong Cc: suneesh@juniper.net, Antoni Przygienda , BIER WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ec71210577ec18e5" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 04:06:43 -0000 --000000000000ec71210577ec18e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Na ok, clear serious support, let's wait the 2 weeks & adopt ... >From my side one comment only, that's really BCP? BCP is what everyone does AFAIU and this seems just _one_ of the ways to slice the cucumber salad and hence probably more of an informational track ... --- tony On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:58 PM Xiejingrong wrote: > Hi Suneesh, > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > And yes, P represents the number of equal cost paths from a Tier2 device > to a VNE device in another POD through Tier1 devices. > > > > The text =E2=80=98M is equal to N multiplied by P=E2=80=99 is valid for t= his example. take > Section 3.1 text below (borrowed from RFC7938 Section 6.1) for > explaination: > > > > The number of ECMP paths between any two Tier > > 3 devices in Clos topology is equal to the number of the devices in th= e > middle stage (Tier 1). //M is the total number of Tier1 devices. > > For example, Figure 1 illustrates a topology where Tier 3 device L1 > has four paths to reach servers X and Y, via Tier 2 devices S1 and S2 //= N > is 2 (S1/S2). > > and then Tier 1 devices S11, S12, S21 and S22 respectively. //M is 4 > (S11/S12/S21/S22), then P is 2. > > > > Jingrong > > > > > > *From:* BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Suneesh Babu > *Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2018 10:53 AM > *To:* Antoni Przygienda ; bier@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ > > > > Hi, > > > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos-01.txt > > > > Section 4.1: (page-4) > > ------------- > > > > Tier 2 in every cluster has N nodes, and the Tier 1 has M nodes. M > > is equal to N multiplied by P. > > > > What is P here? > > > > Is P represent the number of equal cost paths from Tier2 to Tier1 nodes? > > > > Though P1, and P2 are mentioned down the line, it would be good to mentio= n > P for more clarity > > > > > > Regards, > > Suneesh > > > > > > *From: *BIER on behalf of Antoni Przygienda < > prz@juniper.net> > *Date: *Monday, 8 October 2018 at 8:56 PM > *To: *"bier@ietf.org" > *Subject: *[Bier] BIER WG adoption of > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ > > > > Based on request and consensus in IETF 102 this thread starts official > call for adoption for > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ > > > > > Please voice support/opposition & comments > > > > > > --- tony > > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --000000000000ec71210577ec18e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Na ok, clear serious support, let's wait the 2 we= eks & adopt ...

    From my side one comment = only, that's really BCP? BCP is what everyone does AFAIU and this seems= just _one_ of the ways to slice the cucumber salad and hence probably more= of an informational track ...

    --- tony
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    On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:58 PM Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote:

    Hi Suneesh,

    =C2=A0

    Thanks for your comments.

    =C2=A0

    And yes, P represents the number of equal cost paths from a Tier2= device to a VNE device in another POD through Tier1 devices.=

    =C2=A0

    The text =E2=80=98M is equal to N multiplied by P=E2=80=99 is val= id for this example. take Section 3.1 text below (borrowed from RFC7938 Sec= tion 6.1) =C2=A0for explaination:

    =C2=A0

    =C2=A0=C2=A0 The number of ECMP paths between any two Tier=

    =C2=A0=C2=A0 3 devices in Clos topology is equal to the number of= the devices in the middle stage (Tier 1). =C2=A0=C2=A0//M is the total num= ber of Tier1 devices.

    =C2=A0 =C2=A0For example, Figure 1 illustrates a=C2=A0=C2=A0 topo= logy where Tier 3 device L1 has four paths to reach servers X and =C2=A0Y, = via Tier 2 devices S1 and S2 //N is 2 (S1/S2).

    =C2=A0 =C2=A0and then Tier 1 devices S11, S12, S21 =C2=A0and S22 = respectively. //M is 4 (S11/S12/S21/S22), =C2=A0then P is 2.<= /span>

    =C2=A0

    Jingrong

    =C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    F= rom: BIER [mailt= o:bier-bounces@i= etf.org] On Behalf Of Suneesh Babu
    Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 10:53 AM
    To: Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net>; bier@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/<= u>

    =C2=A0

    Hi,

    =C2=A0

    https://w= ww.ietf.org/id/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos-01.txt

    =C2=A0

    Section 4.1: (page-4)

    -------------

    =C2=A0

    Tier 2 in every cluster has N nod= es, and the Tier 1 has M nodes.=C2=A0 M

    =C2=A0=C2=A0 is equal to N multip= lied by P.

    =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<= u>

    What is P here?

    =C2=A0

    Is P represent the number of equa= l cost paths from Tier2 to Tier1 nodes?

    =C2=A0

    Though P1, and P2 are mentioned d= own the line, it would be good to mention P for more clarity<= /span>

    =C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    Regards,

    Suneesh

    =C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    From: = BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org>= ; on behalf of Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net>
    Date: Monday, 8 October 2018 at 8:56 PM
    To: "bier@ie= tf.org" <bie= r@ietf.org>
    Subject: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/=

    <= /u>=C2=A0

    Base= d on request and consensus in IETF 102 this thread starts official call for= adoption for=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/=

    =C2= =A0

    Plea= se voice support/opposition & comments

    =C2= =A0

    =C2= =A0

    --- tony

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Please see below comments. I'll start with the more serious issues. What should the source and destination addresses of the pim joins be? Should they be the BIER prefixes, so that a router can map prefix to BFR-ID? For IPv6 a pim j/p is supposed to have link-local source/destination addresses, I think an exception is needed here. It might be nice if there was a way of encoding the senders SD and BFR-ID of the sender in the join. This is needed for the tracking in 4.1. In 3.3 it says: After receiving the BIER packet and determining this packet is a signaling packet, EBBR will remove the BIER header from PIM packet. It will do a route lookup for the source of the pim signaling packet. If the source is on a locally attach pim domain, it forwards the PIM packet toward the source. I don't quite follow here. The join shouldn't be forwarded, it should be processed locally, right? What do you mean by the source of the signaling packet? Is it the source IP address, or a multicast source or RP address inside the join? There may be multiple in one J/P packet though. You should probably point out that the join should be accepted even though it doesn't come from a pim neighbor. In 4.1 it might seem like each OIF corresponds to a , but an implementation might have a single OIF for , where the set has multiple bits set (for multiple BFR-IDs). Security considerations need more work. It should consider what are potential new issues, not just refer to existing BIER and PIM considerations. E.g. is it possible to send spoofed joins so that packets are replicated to a large set of receivers? Less important issues below. I still find it confusing that IBBR and EBBR are from signaling point of view. Generally with multicast and tunneling, the join goes in the opposite direction and would go from the tunnel egress router to the tunnel ingress. Please consider swapping the terms so that the join goes from egress to ingress. From where a data packet leaves the BIER domain to where it enters the domain. Abstract is rather long. Replace the term "draft" with for instace "document". s/dataplain/dataplane Regarding BBR definition: BIER Boundary router. The router between the PIM domain and It would be better to say "A router", as there can be several. Maybe similar changes for IBBR and EBBR? s/bier/BIER s/pim/PIM s/Datapatah/Datapath In section 3: The BBR will create pim adjacency between all the PIM routers attach to it on the pim domain. Attached to it in the PIM domain Instead when it determines that the PIM join or prune messages needs ^^^^^^^ it will generate a pim signaling packet toward its attach pim domain. ^^^^^^^^ attached s/ibbr/IBBR s/ebbr/EBBR In 3.1 The IBBR will track all the PIM interfaces on the attach pim domain in attached PIM In 4.2 it is assumed (S,G), but could also be (*,G). At the end of 4.2 it says (G), should that be (S,G)/(*,G)? I feel MVPN is section 6 is a bit underspecified. Does this description match what is in the BIER MVPN draft? I didn't check this. s/thier/their s/inline/in line/ s/Bier/BIER Regards, Stig On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:36 PM Antoni Przygienda wrote: > > This thread initiates 2 weeks WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ per request and consensus @ IETF 102 =E2=80= =A6 > > > > --- tony > > > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier From nobody Sat Oct 13 10:09:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F935130E36 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2018 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham 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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ Thread-Index: AQHUXxtQ0SHJVUlRKUG0Nk6MdrPkvaUX4kmAgAk+QDA= Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 01:38:57 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B23D2F@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <8C818B04-5CEB-45C8-ACE0-35D84EE387CB@juniper.net> <2340A1A0-392D-4E4C-AEB8-986DE7A0945F@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2340A1A0-392D-4E4C-AEB8-986DE7A0945F@cisco.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 01:39:17 -0000 Thanks for the support. And the comments remind me to think more about how to make things simple an= d easy. Below is some of my thoughts: (1) the breaking usage of the 20bit Entropy together with whole usage of 20= bit Entropy in the same Sub-domain (e.g. in the only and default Sub-domain= <0>). Use one bit to differentiate the breaking usage or the whole usage, for = TE and for ECMP separately in a simple way. (2) the usecase of <4.3. Path Division for Tenant flows to different Sis> m= ay be also possible to use Entropy+BIFTid field as the HASH bits,=20 if it is targeted to just 'division' instead of get a deterministic path= . Welcome feedback/inputs on the improvements of the draft. Thanks Jingrong -----Original Message----- From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IJsbrand Wijnands Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:18 PM To: Antoni Przygienda Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-xie-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ I Support this document for adoption. I do think some clarification is requ= ired, but it can be done after adoption. Thx, Ice. > On 8 Oct 2018, at 17:26, Antoni Przygienda wrote: >=20 > Based on request and consensus in IETF 102 this thread starts official ca= ll for adoption for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-xie-bier-entropy= -staged-dc-clos/ > =20 > Please voice support/opposition & comments > =20 > =20 > --- tony > =20 > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier From nobody Tue Oct 16 06:03:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4522130DE1; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 06:03:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <153969500281.9425.15662227561444166983@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 06:03:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-02.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:03:23 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : BIER Underlay Path Calculation Algorithm and Contraints Authors : Zhaohui Zhang Antoni Przygienda Andrew Dolganow Hooman Bidgoli IJsbrand Wijnands Arkadiy Gulko Filename : draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-02.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-10-16 Abstract: This document specifies general rules for interaction between the BAR and IPA fields defined in [RFC8401] and [I-D.ietf-bier-ospf-bier-extensions]. 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Thx, Ice. > On 11 Oct 2018, at 20:09, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang = wrote: >=20 > Hi Ice, >=20 > Ah. Did not think we really needed to do that, but I am also fine with = taking it out. >=20 > Thanks. > Jeffrey >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IJsbrand Wijnands >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 4:31 PM >> To: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang >> Cc: Antoni Przygienda ; bier@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft- >> zzhang-bier-php/ >>=20 >> Hi Jeffrey, >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m proposing to remove this section of the draft: >>=20 >> *** >> The payload after BIER header is IPv4 or IPv6 (i.e., the Proto >> field in the BIER header is 4 or 6). >> Notice that in this case the Destination Address in the IPv4/IPv6 >> header must be in the address space for the BIER layer. >> *** >>=20 >> If that is your thinking too, we are in sync. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thx, >>=20 >> Ice. >>=20 >>> On 10 Oct 2018, at 21:52, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang = >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Ice, >>>=20 >>> I think we're on the same page - I said the following earlier: >>>=20 >>>> More importantly, I would expect MVPN/GTM/EVPN kind of deployment = is >> the more appropriate scenario, where there will be a VPN/BD label = used, >> which can associate the packets with a virtual RPF interface. If = we're just >> transitioning an existing PIM deployment to using BIER, then there is = no explicit >> set of edge routers (the premise of PHP is really that some edge = routers, like >> VPN/EVPN PEs, cannot be upgraded to support BIER forwarding) - we can = just >> run PIM if a router does not support BIER yet. >>>=20 >>> Notice the red text above =E2=80=93 I am assuming you=E2=80=99re = talking about BGP based >> overlay signaling. >>>=20 >>> Jeffrey >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: IJsbrand Wijnands >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:18 PM >>>> To: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang >>>> Cc: Antoni Przygienda ; bier@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WG adoption of >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- >> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft- >> 2D&d=3DDwIFaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- >> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& >> m=3D6NH_lDG9Fh- >> QvddiPTUCspTx6x_D6EEok2u0oAOis4w&s=3DMftHmWcEPIJPWFcQV8YlJ8ZJimUZ >> 67jpxRfRsFJcbXM&e=3D >>>> zzhang-bier-php/ >>>>=20 >>>> Jeffrey, >>>>=20 >>>>>> The egress RPF would either disable the RPF check or specify any = "core >>>> interfaces" to be expected incoming interface. This is similar to = using P2MP >>>> tunnels to send multicast traffic w/o signaling (a deployment = scenario that >> has >>>> been supported by certain vendors already). >>>>=20 >>>> Thinking a bit more about this.. Disabling the RPF check I don=E2=80=99= t like too >> much. >>>> Considering that modifications to the control-plane are allowed, it = would >> be a >>>> good deployment practise to *always* advertise a downstream label, = also >> for >>>> the global table scenario, maybe even make it mandatory for this = solution... >>>> That way at least you can map the incoming interface to the BIER = Virtual >>>> interface, which I think is good enough. Or, define >> BIER_IPV4_EXPLICIT_NULL >>>> and BIER_IPV6_EXPLICIT_NULL if we can get it. Something to = consider.. >>>>=20 >>>> Thx, >>>>=20 >>>> Ice. >=20 From nobody Tue Oct 16 07:55:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A11130DEB for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xFQhb-AYk2q0 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it1-x133.google.com (mail-it1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AE42130DE9 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-x133.google.com with SMTP id l191-v6so33464949ita.4 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JAQeQHx2Hc0pZfTBibp4QZ8RnjpVlkF/OY2MqNoU6Fs=; b=BbtNA7VOK1oFEDbSJKoSJRZIt3o4fiQ/4UzPg/0yflRWL25drF7zf50eFljCE6GGp7 8VMU/vLegYBUmwuHMWSzN2p9f/zocw93JA1lW+4xeo9G+LfZQJAH/0M5+MMcShdmHKT2 SOopxC3eFKyiOso/wIu41BEH+yR4XsY4X9fnkPF+YHcmvUd43hEZT3PkQP0pMVTY23My YFs2mpzRldRLaS8sYtQgZdbrioc6q47I5baSTKCnPv8XUdx0aqcTom1b9rUomz+Y3HNT xNs4Y7nCEOT6QKh/IhZVqG8hYG5qhhusI8ofXY2Jg3kIyjawc02ueTmsY4Mn8wwLBOL2 AnqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=JAQeQHx2Hc0pZfTBibp4QZ8RnjpVlkF/OY2MqNoU6Fs=; b=KOQL+8nBRQdgwyOUljwtKhatIHNHNn2xmQhWeZao01VWVl8OBmo06soxtKmjt14rRs D9UihswEP6r49iH1n7Iai8Z5/EzHzIInvJNYWjxdPhydFeIR/F8KkHCB+CIvkfz5rufe +lfBQMvenPadhpn4OpBuL4mhSt7YlzYJ0jI8VchtsU4vXIVhBfGkJVZepYIALaOt7RyS LANA2+hAY2x6WmPXWumHTyB37ycSanPE4app4joU6CZAvrNFRnD3bZhwlppX0BHcFkls 5fRNEl7Y0DfbfL75P7bccLz/5f3r7QHtZikRad+7kPm010emZUZPSmalW6qniQAK0Uo7 MQrw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfojxKOReg4f7ZXzflNyHvDVCLbEE+Wdu1r11Pi4PJOmJs2dOTKKv UMCcdFy7UMrEwQU4BINb8TMgK12xCiVXH9mthwKx1xGp X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV617xacKUnRquZn/TUXgD2lzksIucG8B4e33wFSmI3I18vPasWVJIDRDg9jNbOXbwD1v81T+2c9vOzCZTovjaPc= X-Received: by 2002:a24:408a:: with SMTP id n132-v6mr14400327ita.98.1539701719049; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:55:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com From: Greg Shepherd Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:55:08 -0700 Message-ID: To: BIER WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000629d6057859be87" Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:55:23 -0000 --0000000000000629d6057859be87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Today starts a WGLC two week timer for: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-02 Please read and respond to this thread with/without support. 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It addresses the issues we discussed in the last meeting. The MTU is now specified to be the largest BIER packet that can be forwarded through a BIER sub-domain. When a router is about to encapsulate an IP packet, it would subtract the BIER encapsulation overhead to determine the IP MTU, and can then for instance send a Packet Too Big message if needed. I added text that implementations SHOULD provide a configurable minimum MTU as Alia suggested. This can protect against a link accidentally having a very small MTU causing the MTU for all flows to be reduced. Input on these and other issues are welcome. I hope to address any known issues before Bangkok. 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Regarding neighborship. It is fine to say that there is no adjacency, but I think you may need to point this out a bit stronger since RFC 7761 says: In general, a PIM Join/Prune message should only be accepted for processing if it comes from a known PIM neighbor. A PIM router hears about PIM neighbors through PIM Hello messages. If a router receives a Join/Prune message from a particular IP source address and it has not seen a PIM Hello message from that source address, then the Join/Prune message SHOULD be discarded without further processing. You should point out that accept and send join/prune messages without requiring a known neighbor. Hello messages are used for discovering capabilities. You should say that the router is expected to support RFC 7761, but it is assumed to not have additional capabilities. E.g. you cannot assume Bidir support, join attribute support etc. Or if there are any capabilities we want to assume present, then those need to be specified in this document. You should point out that routers do explicit tracking, and that there is no join suppression or prune override. Do you want to support asserts? Probably not, but it should be specified. You should specify what the target address is for J/P messages. I think you also need to discuss MTU. Ideally you want to know the largest possible J/P message that can be sent to the target so that you can send the smallest amount of J/P message possible when there is a lot of state. Stig On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang wrote: > > Please see my comments below. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BIER On Behalf Of Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia = - > > CA/Ottawa) > > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 1:10 PM > > To: Stig Venaas ; Antoni Przygienda > > Cc: BIER WG > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iet= f-bier- > > pim-signaling/ > > > > Hi Stig > > > > Thanks for the comments and taking time! > > > > Inline HB> > > > > Regards > > > > Hooman > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BIER On Behalf Of Stig Venaas > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 8:16 PM > > To: prz@juniper.net > > Cc: BIER WG > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbier-2Dpim- > > 2Dsignaling_&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > > m=3Da6V2dfflSydnKxRixNK89T2oG-j3LgStm4m7QtrR5TI&s=3D4N9Ny2yWPzCV- > > yRlZZ2jh0C1033qQGBZn-sgbDdCsPw&e=3D > > > > Hi > > > > The draft is almost ready, but some work is still needed IMO. Please se= e below > > comments. > > > > I'll start with the more serious issues. > > > > What should the source and destination addresses of the pim joins be? S= hould > > they be the BIER prefixes, so that a router can map prefix to BFR-ID? F= or IPv6 a > > pim j/p is supposed to have link-local source/destination addresses, I = think an > > exception is needed here. > > > > HB> the proposal is to keep the same header. > > Zzh> Stig has good points here. My understanding is that the source and d= estination addresses of the packet should be BFR prefixes, even for IPv6. S= ince we're "using PIM" as overlay signaling, we should point out the differ= ence from regular PIM (this is also why we should point out that PIM adjace= ncy is not needed). > > > > > It might be nice if there was a way of encoding the senders SD and BFR-= ID of > > the sender in the join. This is needed for the tracking in 4.1. > > > > HB> These info should be in the BIER header that incapsulates the signa= ling > > packet. > > > > In 3.3 it says: > > After receiving the BIER packet and determining this packet is a > > signaling packet, EBBR will remove the BIER header from PIM packet. > > It will do a route lookup for the source of the pim signaling packet= . > > If the source is on a locally attach pim domain, it forwards the PIM > > packet toward the source. > > > > I don't quite follow here. The join shouldn't be forwarded, it should b= e > > processed locally, right? What do you mean by the source of the signali= ng > > packet? Is it the source IP address, or a multicast source or RP addres= s inside > > the join? There may be multiple in one J/P packet though. > > Zzh> Good points. "forwards the PIM packet towards the source" is mislead= ing. "lookup for the source of the PIM signaling packet" is also misleading= . I think we should just say that received PIM packet is processed as if it= were received from neighbors on a virtual interface (and as if the PIM adj= acency was there). > > > > > You should probably point out that the join should be accepted even tho= ugh it > > doesn't come from a pim neighbor. > > > > HB> as per draft this is just signaling and we are not trying to create > > neighboring, hence IMHO I don't see the benefit of adding more clarific= ation. > > Also since it is signaling between IBBR and EBBR they it would also mea= n local > > processing at EBBR. > > "This tunneling is only done for signaling > > purposes and not for creating a PIM adjacency between the two > > disjoint pim domains through the bier domain." > > > > In 4.1 it might seem like each OIF corresponds to a , but a= n > > implementation might have a single OIF for , where the se= t has > > multiple bits set (for multiple BFR-IDs). > > > > HB> so this regular multicast FIB so an S,G is mapped to IIF and OIF wh= ere OIF > > can be a set of . I think we are saying the same thing. > > HB> please note the draft has point it out "and out going interface OIF= s set as > > the " which is your multiple BFR-IDs. > > Zzh> Stig's point is that the language itself is not very right, and I ag= ree. Perhaps the following? > > BFIR builds its (s,g) forwarding state with incoming interface (IIF) a= s the RPF > interface (in PIM domain) towards the source and one of the outgoing i= nterfaces > as for sending to tracked BFERs in the SD. > > Jeffrey > > > > > Security considerations need more work. It should consider what are pot= ential > > new issues, not just refer to existing BIER and PIM considerations. E.g= . is it > > possible to send spoofed joins so that packets are replicated to a larg= e set of > > receivers? > > > > HB> again IMHO the security concerns for this draft is exactly the same= as BIER > > and PIM. I personally can't think of a specific attack for this specifi= c signaling. > > That said I am open to more text what do you suggest? > > > > Less important issues below. > > > > I still find it confusing that IBBR and EBBR are from signaling point o= f view. > > Generally with multicast and tunneling, the join goes in the opposite d= irection > > and would go from the tunnel egress router to the tunnel ingress. Pleas= e > > consider swapping the terms so that the join goes from egress to ingres= s. From > > where a data packet leaves the BIER domain to where it enters the domai= n. > > > > HB> I think I have pointed this out before, trying to change the signal= ling term > > to match dataplane forwarding creates ambiguities in part of the drafts= . We > > started with using the terms BFIR and BFER for signaling and the text w= as > > extremely confusing. > > HB> the main reason is that the draft proposes to encapsulate the signa= ling in > > BIER hence if use the same term (BFIR and BFER) for signaling also we g= et into > > situations that it is hard to distinguish between control and data pack= ets. > > > > Abstract is rather long. > > > > Replace the term "draft" with for instace "document". > > > > s/dataplain/dataplane > > > > HB> thank you! > > > > Regarding BBR definition: > > BIER Boundary router. The router between the PIM domain and > > > > It would be better to say "A router", as there can be several. > > > > HB> Thank you! > > > > Maybe similar changes for IBBR and EBBR? > > > > HB> thank you! > > > > s/bier/BIER > > > > s/pim/PIM > > > > s/Datapatah/Datapath > > > > HB> Thank you! > > > > In section 3: > > The BBR will create pim adjacency between all > > the PIM routers attach to it on the pim domain. > > Attached to it in the PIM domain > > > > Instead when it determines that the PIM join or prune messages needs > > ^^^^^^^ > > > > it will generate a pim signaling packet toward its attach pim domain. > > ^^^^^^^^ attached > > > > HB> thank you! > > > > s/ibbr/IBBR > > > > s/ebbr/EBBR > > > > In 3.1 > > The IBBR will track all the PIM interfaces on the attach pim domain > > in attached PIM > > > > In 4.2 it is assumed (S,G), but could also be (*,G). > > At the end of 4.2 it says (G), should that be (S,G)/(*,G)? > > > > HB> this section we are still assuming ssm. Yes S,G thanks! > > > > I feel MVPN is section 6 is a bit underspecified. Does this description= match > > what is in the BIER MVPN draft? I didn't check this. > > > > s/thier/their > > > > s/inline/in line/ > > > > s/Bier/BIER > > > > HB> Thank you! So in short you feel all protocols should be in capital = letters... > > > > Regards, > > Stig > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:36 PM Antoni Przygienda wrot= e: > > > > > > This thread initiates 2 weeks WG LC on > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbier-2Dpim- > > 2Dsignaling_&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > > m=3Da6V2dfflSydnKxRixNK89T2oG-j3LgStm4m7QtrR5TI&s=3D4N9Ny2yWPzCV- > > yRlZZ2jh0C1033qQGBZn-sgbDdCsPw&e=3D per > > > request and consensus @ IETF 102 =E2=80=A6 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- tony > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BIER mailing list > > > BIER@ietf.org > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scb= f > > h0UjBXeMK- > > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > > 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Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:43:29 -0000 Hi No, we shouldn't say that it updates it. The neighbor requirement in 7761 is only a SHOULD. It is OK to deviate from that in special cases such as this. Stig On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:09 AM Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) wrote: > > Hi Stig > > > > On Oct 16, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Stig Venaas wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I would like to clarify my concern about PIM neighborship, and also a > > couple of additional comments. > > > > Regarding neighborship. It is fine to say that there is no adjacency, > > but I think you may need to point this out a bit stronger since RFC > > 7761 says: > > > > In general, a PIM Join/Prune message should only be accepted for > > processing if it comes from a known PIM neighbor. A PIM router hears > > about PIM neighbors through PIM Hello messages. If a router receives > > a Join/Prune message from a particular IP source address and it has > > not seen a PIM Hello message from that source address, then the > > Join/Prune message SHOULD be discarded without further processing. > > > > Do we need to say that this document would update RFC 7761 ? or only stat= ement is enough ? > > > You should point out that accept and send join/prune messages without > > requiring a known neighbor. > > Hello messages are used for discovering capabilities. You should say > > that the router is expected to > > support RFC 7761, but it is assumed to not have additional > > capabilities. E.g. you cannot assume > > Bidir support, join attribute support etc. Or if there are any > > capabilities we want to assume present, > > then those need to be specified in this document. > > > > You should point out that routers do explicit tracking, and that there > > is no join suppression or prune > > override. > > > > Do you want to support asserts? Probably not, but it should be specifie= d. > > > > You should specify what the target address is for J/P messages. > > > > I think you also need to discuss MTU. Ideally you want to know the > > largest possible J/P message > > that can be sent to the target so that you can send the smallest > > amount of J/P message possible > > when there is a lot of state. > > > > Stig > > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 7:13 PM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang > > wrote: > >> > >> Please see my comments below. > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: BIER On Behalf Of Bidgoli, Hooman (Noki= a - > >>> CA/Ottawa) > >>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 1:10 PM > >>> To: Stig Venaas ; Antoni Przygienda > >>> Cc: BIER WG > >>> Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i= etf-bier- > >>> pim-signaling/ > >>> > >>> Hi Stig > >>> > >>> Thanks for the comments and taking time! > >>> > >>> Inline HB> > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Hooman > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: BIER On Behalf Of Stig Venaas > >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 8:16 PM > >>> To: prz@juniper.net > >>> Cc: BIER WG > >>> Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on > >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > >>> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbier-2Dpim- > >>> 2Dsignaling_&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > >>> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > >>> m=3Da6V2dfflSydnKxRixNK89T2oG-j3LgStm4m7QtrR5TI&s=3D4N9Ny2yWPzCV- > >>> yRlZZ2jh0C1033qQGBZn-sgbDdCsPw&e=3D > >>> > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> The draft is almost ready, but some work is still needed IMO. Please = see below > >>> comments. > >>> > >>> I'll start with the more serious issues. > >>> > >>> What should the source and destination addresses of the pim joins be?= Should > >>> they be the BIER prefixes, so that a router can map prefix to BFR-ID?= For IPv6 a > >>> pim j/p is supposed to have link-local source/destination addresses, = I think an > >>> exception is needed here. > >>> > >>> HB> the proposal is to keep the same header. > >> > >> Zzh> Stig has good points here. My understanding is that the source an= d destination addresses of the packet should be BFR prefixes, even for IPv6= . Since we're "using PIM" as overlay signaling, we should point out the dif= ference from regular PIM (this is also why we should point out that PIM adj= acency is not needed). > >> > >>> > >>> It might be nice if there was a way of encoding the senders SD and BF= R-ID of > >>> the sender in the join. This is needed for the tracking in 4.1. > >>> > >>> HB> These info should be in the BIER header that incapsulates the sig= naling > >>> packet. > >>> > >>> In 3.3 it says: > >>> After receiving the BIER packet and determining this packet is a > >>> signaling packet, EBBR will remove the BIER header from PIM packet. > >>> It will do a route lookup for the source of the pim signaling packe= t. > >>> If the source is on a locally attach pim domain, it forwards the PI= M > >>> packet toward the source. > >>> > >>> I don't quite follow here. The join shouldn't be forwarded, it should= be > >>> processed locally, right? What do you mean by the source of the signa= ling > >>> packet? Is it the source IP address, or a multicast source or RP addr= ess inside > >>> the join? There may be multiple in one J/P packet though. > >> > >> Zzh> Good points. "forwards the PIM packet towards the source" is misl= eading. "lookup for the source of the PIM signaling packet" is also mislead= ing. I think we should just say that received PIM packet is processed as if= it were received from neighbors on a virtual interface (and as if the PIM = adjacency was there). > >> > >>> > >>> You should probably point out that the join should be accepted even t= hough it > >>> doesn't come from a pim neighbor. > >>> > >>> HB> as per draft this is just signaling and we are not trying to crea= te > >>> neighboring, hence IMHO I don't see the benefit of adding more clarif= ication. > >>> Also since it is signaling between IBBR and EBBR they it would also m= ean local > >>> processing at EBBR. > >>> "This tunneling is only done for signaling > >>> purposes and not for creating a PIM adjacency between the two > >>> disjoint pim domains through the bier domain." > >>> > >>> In 4.1 it might seem like each OIF corresponds to a , but= an > >>> implementation might have a single OIF for , where the = set has > >>> multiple bits set (for multiple BFR-IDs). > >>> > >>> HB> so this regular multicast FIB so an S,G is mapped to IIF and OIF = where OIF > >>> can be a set of . I think we are saying the same thing. > >>> HB> please note the draft has point it out "and out going interface O= IFs set as > >>> the " which is your multiple BFR-IDs. > >> > >> Zzh> Stig's point is that the language itself is not very right, and I= agree. Perhaps the following? > >> > >> BFIR builds its (s,g) forwarding state with incoming interface (IIF)= as the RPF > >> interface (in PIM domain) towards the source and one of the outgoing= interfaces > >> as for sending to tracked BFERs in the SD. > >> > >> Jeffrey > >> > >>> > >>> Security considerations need more work. It should consider what are p= otential > >>> new issues, not just refer to existing BIER and PIM considerations. E= .g. is it > >>> possible to send spoofed joins so that packets are replicated to a la= rge set of > >>> receivers? > >>> > >>> HB> again IMHO the security concerns for this draft is exactly the sa= me as BIER > >>> and PIM. I personally can't think of a specific attack for this speci= fic signaling. > >>> That said I am open to more text what do you suggest? > >>> > >>> Less important issues below. > >>> > >>> I still find it confusing that IBBR and EBBR are from signaling point= of view. > >>> Generally with multicast and tunneling, the join goes in the opposite= direction > >>> and would go from the tunnel egress router to the tunnel ingress. Ple= ase > >>> consider swapping the terms so that the join goes from egress to ingr= ess. From > >>> where a data packet leaves the BIER domain to where it enters the dom= ain. > >>> > >>> HB> I think I have pointed this out before, trying to change the sign= alling term > >>> to match dataplane forwarding creates ambiguities in part of the draf= ts. We > >>> started with using the terms BFIR and BFER for signaling and the text= was > >>> extremely confusing. > >>> HB> the main reason is that the draft proposes to encapsulate the sig= naling in > >>> BIER hence if use the same term (BFIR and BFER) for signaling also we= get into > >>> situations that it is hard to distinguish between control and data pa= ckets. > >>> > >>> Abstract is rather long. > >>> > >>> Replace the term "draft" with for instace "document". > >>> > >>> s/dataplain/dataplane > >>> > >>> HB> thank you! > >>> > >>> Regarding BBR definition: > >>> BIER Boundary router. The router between the PIM domain and > >>> > >>> It would be better to say "A router", as there can be several. > >>> > >>> HB> Thank you! > >>> > >>> Maybe similar changes for IBBR and EBBR? > >>> > >>> HB> thank you! > >>> > >>> s/bier/BIER > >>> > >>> s/pim/PIM > >>> > >>> s/Datapatah/Datapath > >>> > >>> HB> Thank you! > >>> > >>> In section 3: > >>> The BBR will create pim adjacency between all > >>> the PIM routers attach to it on the pim domain. > >>> Attached to it in the PIM domain > >>> > >>> Instead when it determines that the PIM join or prune messages needs > >>> ^^^^^^^ > >>> > >>> it will generate a pim signaling packet toward its attach pim domain. > >>> ^^^^^^^^ attached > >>> > >>> HB> thank you! > >>> > >>> s/ibbr/IBBR > >>> > >>> s/ebbr/EBBR > >>> > >>> In 3.1 > >>> The IBBR will track all the PIM interfaces on the attach pim domain > >>> in attached PIM > >>> > >>> In 4.2 it is assumed (S,G), but could also be (*,G). > >>> At the end of 4.2 it says (G), should that be (S,G)/(*,G)? > >>> > >>> HB> this section we are still assuming ssm. Yes S,G thanks! > >>> > >>> I feel MVPN is section 6 is a bit underspecified. Does this descripti= on match > >>> what is in the BIER MVPN draft? I didn't check this. > >>> > >>> s/thier/their > >>> > >>> s/inline/in line/ > >>> > >>> s/Bier/BIER > >>> > >>> HB> Thank you! So in short you feel all protocols should be in capita= l letters... > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Stig > >>> > >>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:36 PM Antoni Przygienda wr= ote: > >>>> > >>>> This thread initiates 2 weeks WG LC on > >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > >>> 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbier-2Dpim- > >>> 2Dsignaling_&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > >>> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > >>> m=3Da6V2dfflSydnKxRixNK89T2oG-j3LgStm4m7QtrR5TI&s=3D4N9Ny2yWPzCV- > >>> yRlZZ2jh0C1033qQGBZn-sgbDdCsPw&e=3D per > >>>> request and consensus @ IETF 102 =E2=80=A6 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- tony > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> BIER mailing list > >>>> BIER@ietf.org > >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > >>> 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6S= cbf > >>> h0UjBXeMK- > >>> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > >>> m=3Da6V2dfflSydnKxRixNK89T2oG- > >>> j3LgStm4m7QtrR5TI&s=3Dbx3Tyr1fwfAMJiVWVxH6rEpvzvB5lDXk- > >>> FsyZ9sPOKs&e=3D > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> BIER mailing list > >>> BIER@ietf.org > >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > >>> 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6S= cbf > >>> h0UjBXeMK- > >>> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > >>> m=3Da6V2dfflSydnKxRixNK89T2oG- > >>> j3LgStm4m7QtrR5TI&s=3Dbx3Tyr1fwfAMJiVWVxH6rEpvzvB5lDXk- > >>> FsyZ9sPOKs&e=3D > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> BIER mailing list > >>> BIER@ietf.org > >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > >>> 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6S= cbf > >>> h0UjBXeMK- > >>> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > >>> m=3Da6V2dfflSydnKxRixNK89T2oG- > >>> j3LgStm4m7QtrR5TI&s=3Dbx3Tyr1fwfAMJiVWVxH6rEpvzvB5lDXk- > >>> FsyZ9sPOKs&e=3D > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BIER mailing list > > BIER@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > From nobody Tue Oct 16 14:23:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFC1130E42 for ; 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Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:22:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Stig Venaas Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:22:43 -0700 Message-ID: To: Greg Shepherd Cc: BIER WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 21:22:59 -0000 Hi I think the draft needs a little bit more work before publication. It's not clear to me what the contents of the BAR and IPA fields are. For BAR you say that it is BCBA and that for the currently defined algorithm 0, BC and BA are both NULL. But if new BIER algorithms are defined, how would you define BC? Is the idea that the values in the BIER algorithm registry signify both BC and BA? In that case the name is misleading. For IPA it is also not clear how you specify RC for the different values of RA. The existing registry only specifies the RA. In section 1 it says: [To be added] Will anything be added here? In section 2 it says: In [RFC8401] and [I-D.ietf-bier-ospf-bier-extensions], an 8-bit BAR field and 8-bit IPA field are defined to signal the BIER specific algorithm and generic IGP Algorithm respectively and only value 0 is allowed for both fields currently. This document specifies the general rules for the two fields and their interaction when either or both fields are not 0. I think the term "currently" will be confusing once this becomes an RFC. "Currently" here talks about the situation prior to the publication of the RFC, it would no longer be true after publication. Typo in the title. Typo: multit-topolgy Stig On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:55 AM Greg Shepherd wrote: > > Today starts a WGLC two week timer for: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-02 > > Please read and respond to this thread with/without support. > > Thanks, > Shep > (Chairs) > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier From nobody Tue Oct 16 17:53:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A510126CC7 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:53:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.964 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.964 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.064, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham 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From: Stig Venaas Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:04:30 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" Cc: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" , prz@juniper.net, BIER WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 02:04:49 -0000 Hi Regarding the source address to use for the pim join. If the source address is not the BIER prefix of the sender, and you don't put the prefix, or BFR-ID and SD, of the sender somewhere in the J/P, then it is complicated to implement, because PIM will need to get info from the BIER header. Depending on the implementation, it may not be possible for PIM to get this information after decap. Or at least it would require significant work. If the source address is the BIER prefix, then one could make use of that, although I'm not sure how to handle the SD. Another solution could be to use a Join attribute to pass BFR-ID and SD. When using a virtual interface for BIER, then I would think it makes sense that the BIER prefix is the address assigned to this interface. In that case, the BIER prefix would naturally be the source of the PIM join. At least for IPv4. For destinatinon address, you could use all-pim-routers, but what about the JP target? That should probably be the BIER prefix of the upstream neighbor. Stig On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 6:13 PM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) wrote: > > By the way the other 2 points I am fine with new text and will update th= e draft I think the biggest issue here is the IP header of the PIM signalin= g packet. > > > I don't quite follow here. The join shouldn't be forwarded, it should > > be processed locally, right? What do you mean by the source of the > > signaling packet? Is it the source IP address, or a multicast source > > or RP address inside the join? There may be multiple in one J/P packet = though. > > Zzh> Good points. "forwards the PIM packet towards the source" is mislead= ing. "lookup for the source of the PIM signaling packet" is also misleading= . I think we should just say that received PIM packet is processed as if it= were received from neighbors on a virtual interface (and as if the PIM adj= acency was there). > > HB2> ok will change to "Received PIM join/prune Signaling packet is proce= ssed as if it were received from neighbors on a virtual interface, (i.e. as= if the pim adjacency was presents, regardless of the fact there is no adja= cency) > > > the " which is your multiple BFR-IDs. > > Zzh> Stig's point is that the language itself is not very right, and I ag= ree. Perhaps the following? > > BFIR builds its (s,g) forwarding state with incoming interface (IIF) a= s the RPF > interface (in PIM domain) towards the source and one of the outgoing i= nterfaces > as for sending to tracked BFERs in the SD. > > HB2> Ok I am good thank you! > > -----Original Message----- > From: BIER On Behalf Of Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - = CA/Ottawa) > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:53 PM > To: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang ; Stig Venaas ; Antoni Przygienda > Cc: BIER WG > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-= bier-pim-signaling/ > > > What should the source and destination addresses of the pim joins be? > > Should they be the BIER prefixes, so that a router can map prefix to > > BFR-ID? For IPv6 a pim j/p is supposed to have link-local > > source/destination addresses, I think an exception is needed here. > > > > HB> the proposal is to keep the same header. > > Zzh> Stig has good points here. My understanding is that the source and d= estination addresses of the packet should be BFR prefixes, even for IPv6. S= ince we're "using PIM" as overlay signaling, we should point out the differ= ence from regular PIM (this is also why we should point out that PIM adjace= ncy is not needed). > > HB2> I am not sure what will be the benefit of changing the PIM src/dst I= P to be the BFR prefix address. If anything the well know multicast IP dest= ination is more beneficial for extracting after the bier header is removed.= As you remember Jeffrey you wanted us to keep the BIER protocol IP because= you pointed out it is more beneficial to pop the BIER header and process t= he payload as IP, hence the well known multicast IP is needed. Again if the= re is no PIM adjacency I don't see the significant why the src/dst IP shoul= d be prefix address. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:13 PM > To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; Stig = Venaas ; Antoni Przygienda > Cc: BIER WG > Subject: RE: [Bier] WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-= bier-pim-signaling/ > > Please see my comments below. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BIER On Behalf Of Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia > > - > > CA/Ottawa) > > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 1:10 PM > > To: Stig Venaas ; Antoni Przygienda > > Cc: BIER WG > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier- > > pim-signaling/ > > > > Hi Stig > > > > Thanks for the comments and taking time! > > > > Inline HB> > > > > Regards > > > > Hooman > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BIER On Behalf Of Stig Venaas > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 8:16 PM > > To: prz@juniper.net > > Cc: BIER WG > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbier-2Dpim- > > 2Dsignaling_&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > > m=3Da6V2dfflSydnKxRixNK89T2oG-j3LgStm4m7QtrR5TI&s=3D4N9Ny2yWPzCV- > > yRlZZ2jh0C1033qQGBZn-sgbDdCsPw&e=3D > > > > Hi > > > > The draft is almost ready, but some work is still needed IMO. Please > > see below comments. > > > > I'll start with the more serious issues. > > > > What should the source and destination addresses of the pim joins be? > > Should they be the BIER prefixes, so that a router can map prefix to > > BFR-ID? For IPv6 a pim j/p is supposed to have link-local > > source/destination addresses, I think an exception is needed here. > > > > HB> the proposal is to keep the same header. > > Zzh> Stig has good points here. My understanding is that the source and d= estination addresses of the packet should be BFR prefixes, even for IPv6. S= ince we're "using PIM" as overlay signaling, we should point out the differ= ence from regular PIM (this is also why we should point out that PIM adjace= ncy is not needed). > > > > > It might be nice if there was a way of encoding the senders SD and > > BFR-ID of the sender in the join. This is needed for the tracking in 4.= 1. > > > > HB> These info should be in the BIER header that incapsulates the > > HB> signaling > > packet. > > > > In 3.3 it says: > > After receiving the BIER packet and determining this packet is a > > signaling packet, EBBR will remove the BIER header from PIM packet. > > It will do a route lookup for the source of the pim signaling packet= . > > If the source is on a locally attach pim domain, it forwards the PIM > > packet toward the source. > > > > I don't quite follow here. The join shouldn't be forwarded, it should > > be processed locally, right? What do you mean by the source of the > > signaling packet? Is it the source IP address, or a multicast source > > or RP address inside the join? There may be multiple in one J/P packet = though. > > Zzh> Good points. "forwards the PIM packet towards the source" is mislead= ing. "lookup for the source of the PIM signaling packet" is also misleading= . I think we should just say that received PIM packet is processed as if it= were received from neighbors on a virtual interface (and as if the PIM adj= acency was there). > > > > > You should probably point out that the join should be accepted even > > though it doesn't come from a pim neighbor. > > > > HB> as per draft this is just signaling and we are not trying to > > HB> create > > neighboring, hence IMHO I don't see the benefit of adding more clarific= ation. > > Also since it is signaling between IBBR and EBBR they it would also > > mean local processing at EBBR. > > "This tunneling is only done for signaling > > purposes and not for creating a PIM adjacency between the two > > disjoint pim domains through the bier domain." > > > > In 4.1 it might seem like each OIF corresponds to a , but > > an implementation might have a single OIF for , where > > the set has multiple bits set (for multiple BFR-IDs). > > > > HB> so this regular multicast FIB so an S,G is mapped to IIF and OIF > > HB> where OIF > > can be a set of . I think we are saying the same thing. > > HB> please note the draft has point it out "and out going interface > > HB> OIFs set as > > the " which is your multiple BFR-IDs. > > Zzh> Stig's point is that the language itself is not very right, and I ag= ree. Perhaps the following? > > BFIR builds its (s,g) forwarding state with incoming interface (IIF) a= s the RPF > interface (in PIM domain) towards the source and one of the outgoing i= nterfaces > as for sending to tracked BFERs in the SD. > > Jeffrey > > > > > Security considerations need more work. It should consider what are > > potential new issues, not just refer to existing BIER and PIM > > considerations. E.g. is it possible to send spoofed joins so that > > packets are replicated to a large set of receivers? > > > > HB> again IMHO the security concerns for this draft is exactly the > > HB> same as BIER > > and PIM. I personally can't think of a specific attack for this specifi= c signaling. > > That said I am open to more text what do you suggest? > > > > Less important issues below. > > > > I still find it confusing that IBBR and EBBR are from signaling point o= f view. > > Generally with multicast and tunneling, the join goes in the opposite > > direction and would go from the tunnel egress router to the tunnel > > ingress. Please consider swapping the terms so that the join goes from > > egress to ingress. From where a data packet leaves the BIER domain to w= here it enters the domain. > > > > HB> I think I have pointed this out before, trying to change the > > HB> signalling term > > to match dataplane forwarding creates ambiguities in part of the > > drafts. We started with using the terms BFIR and BFER for signaling > > and the text was extremely confusing. > > HB> the main reason is that the draft proposes to encapsulate the > > HB> signaling in > > BIER hence if use the same term (BFIR and BFER) for signaling also we > > get into situations that it is hard to distinguish between control and = data packets. > > > > Abstract is rather long. > > > > Replace the term "draft" with for instace "document". > > > > s/dataplain/dataplane > > > > HB> thank you! > > > > Regarding BBR definition: > > BIER Boundary router. The router between the PIM domain and > > > > It would be better to say "A router", as there can be several. > > > > HB> Thank you! > > > > Maybe similar changes for IBBR and EBBR? > > > > HB> thank you! > > > > s/bier/BIER > > > > s/pim/PIM > > > > s/Datapatah/Datapath > > > > HB> Thank you! > > > > In section 3: > > The BBR will create pim adjacency between all > > the PIM routers attach to it on the pim domain. > > Attached to it in the PIM domain > > > > Instead when it determines that the PIM join or prune messages needs > > ^^^^^^^ > > > > it will generate a pim signaling packet toward its attach pim domain. > > ^^^^^^^^ attached > > > > HB> thank you! > > > > s/ibbr/IBBR > > > > s/ebbr/EBBR > > > > In 3.1 > > The IBBR will track all the PIM interfaces on the attach pim domain > > in attached PIM > > > > In 4.2 it is assumed (S,G), but could also be (*,G). > > At the end of 4.2 it says (G), should that be (S,G)/(*,G)? > > > > HB> this section we are still assuming ssm. Yes S,G thanks! > > > > I feel MVPN is section 6 is a bit underspecified. Does this > > description match what is in the BIER MVPN draft? I didn't check this. > > > > s/thier/their > > > > s/inline/in line/ > > > > s/Bier/BIER > > > > HB> Thank you! So in short you feel all protocols should be in capital = letters... > > > > Regards, > > Stig > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:36 PM Antoni Przygienda wrot= e: > > > > > > This thread initiates 2 weeks WG LC on > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbier-2Dpim- > > 2Dsignaling_&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > > m=3Da6V2dfflSydnKxRixNK89T2oG-j3LgStm4m7QtrR5TI&s=3D4N9Ny2yWPzCV- > > yRlZZ2jh0C1033qQGBZn-sgbDdCsPw&e=3D per > > > request and consensus @ IETF 102 =E2=80=A6 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- tony > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BIER mailing list > > > BIER@ietf.org > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scb= f > > h0UjBXeMK- > > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > > 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<153982535881.27453.9158404929451899360@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:15:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling-04.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 01:15:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : PIM Signaling Through BIER Core Authors : Hooman Bidgoli Andrew Dolganow Jayant Kotalwar Fengman Xu Mankamana Mishra Zhaohui Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling-04.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2018-10-17 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain multicast related per-flow state. Neither does BIER require an explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. Such header contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. The set of BFERs to which the multicast packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by the according set of bits switched on in BIER packet header. This document describes the procedure needed for PIM Joins and Prunes to be signaled through a BIER core. Allowing PIM routers to run traditional PIM multicast services through a BIER core. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC55130E35; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 01:05:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <153984991602.22306.10495446521059472723@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 01:05:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-non-mpls-bift-encoding-01.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 08:05:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : An Optional Encoding of the BIFT-id Field in the non-MPLS BIER Encapsulation Authors : IJsbrand Wijnands Xiaohu Xu Hooman Bidgoli Filename : draft-ietf-bier-non-mpls-bift-encoding-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-10-18 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "multicast domain", without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any per-flow state or to engage in an explicit tree-building protocol. The Multicast packet is encapsulated using a BIER Header and transported through an MPLS or non-MPLS network. When MPLS is used as the transport, the Bit Indexed Forwarding Table (BIFT) is identified by a MPLS Label. When non-MPLS transport is used, the BIFT is identified by a 20bit value. This document describes one way of encoding the 20bit value. 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X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153997540325.6592.14881450457334785876.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:56:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] bier - Requested sessions have been scheduled for IETF 103 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:56:51 -0000 Dear Greg Shepherd, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. bier Session 1 (2:00 requested) Wednesday, 7 November 2018, Morning Session I 0900-1100 Room Name: Boromphimarn 3 size: 50 --------------------------------------------- bier Session 2 (0:30 requested) Thursday, 8 November 2018, Morning Session II 1120-1220 Room Name: Boromphimarn 1/2 size: 75 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/sessions/bier.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Greg Shepherd Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 30 Minutes Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mboned pim mpls roll rtgarea rtgwg rift lsr People who must be present: Tony Przygienda Greg Shepherd Alvaro Retana Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sun Oct 21 08:08:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3E2127333; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:08:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <154013450954.10704.16619154166939503552@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:08:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-ping-04.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 15:08:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : BIER Ping and Trace Authors : Nagendra Kumar Carlos Pignataro Nobo Akiya Lianshu Zheng Mach Chen Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-ietf-bier-ping-04.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2018-10-21 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per- flow state. BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. The BIER header contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. The set of BFERs to which the multicast packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that correspond to those routers in the BIER header. This document describes the mechanism and basic BIER OAM packet format that can be used to perform failure detection and isolation on BIER data plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-ping/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-ping-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-ping-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-ping-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C30512F18C; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <154030805658.31365.4204790687734683042@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:20:56 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-01.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:20:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering for Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER-TE) Authors : Toerless Eckert Gregory Cauchie Wolfgang Braun Michael Menth Filename : draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-01.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2018-10-23 Abstract: This document proposes an architecture for BIER-TE: Traffic Engineering for Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER). BIER-TE shares part of its architecture with BIER as described in [RFC8279]. It also proposes to share the packet format with BIER. BIER-TE forwards and replicates packets like BIER based on a BitString in the packet header but it does not require an IGP. It does support traffic engineering by explicit hop-by-hop forwarding and loose hop forwarding of packets. It does support Fast ReRoute (FRR) for link and node protection and incremental deployment. Because BIER-TE like BIER operates without explicit in-network tree- building but also supports traffic engineering, it is more similar to SR than RSVP-TE. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-te-arch/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Thanks Toerless (for the authors) Changelog: - Added requirements section mandating only most basic BIER-TE forwarding features as MUST. - Reworked comparison with BIER forwarding section to only summarize and point to pseudocode section. - Reworked pseudocode section to have one pseodcode that mirrors the BIER forwarding pseudocode to make comparison easier and a second pseudocode that shows the complete set of BIER-TE forwarding options and simplification /optimization possible vs. BIER forwarding. - Added note comparing BIER and SR to also hopefully clarify BIER-TE vs. BIER comparison re. SR. - Added captions to pictures. > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 6:18 AM > To: BIER WG > Subject: [Bier] Call for Agenda items, BIER WG IETF103, Bangkok > > WG, > > We should have at least a 2hr slot, maybe 2.5. The final IETF agenda is not yet published. 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, definitions=2018-10-25_07:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_spam_notspam policy=outbound_spam score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1810250121 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] New Version Notification for draft-xie-bier-mvpn-segmented-06.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 14:07:27 -0000 Hi Jingrong, Please see my comments below. A general comment is that this problem is not specific to BIER. Even if it'= s just ingress replication, we'd also need IP lookup if we're not using per= -flow labels for segmentation points to do label switching. The only differ= ence between BIER and IR is that IR does not require S-PMSI routes (as the = label can be carried in auto-triggered Leaf AD routes); If it's P2MP tunnel= s, we also need S-PMSI route to advertise per-PMSI labels unless we do IP l= ookup. Therefore, I don't think this solution should be targeted at BIER. A simple= BESS document could be written, covering the following generic points: - The labels in I-PMSI routes could lead to label switching into next segme= nt, or could lead to IP lookup in a local VRF. This is purely a local decis= ion based on whether you want to do ip lookup or not. - The labels in S-PMSI routes (if those routes are sent), if different from= the label in a corresponding I-PMSI, lead to label switching into next seg= ment.=20 - Leaf A-D routes trigger corresponding (s/*,g) routes in VRFs, if ip looku= p is desired/required - Upstream PE/ABR uses the label advertised in the matching x-PMSI routes (= BIER/P2MP) or Leaf AD routes (IR) to send traffic =20 As I pointed out before, doing IP lookup is not really better than per-flow= /PMSI based label switching with respect to FIB size and forwarding perform= ance. To do IP lookup you need to maintain (s,g) routes in different VRFs (= for comparison you only need labels in the default/master instance if you d= o label switching). One can argue that this is actually less efficient - yo= u need to first do a label lookup to determine the VRF, and then do an IP l= ookup. Using IP lookup requires more forwarding state, and more forwarding = cycles; the only saving you get is the elimination of control plane S-PMSI = routes that distribute per-flow labels (and the corresponding delay). If th= at is super important, sure you can do IP lookup but the following text sho= uld be updated to point out pros and cons: In conclusion, the pattern of forwarding packets on segmentation points only by lookup of MPLS label mapped from multicast flow(s) is significantly unnecessary when BIER is introduced. Instead, doing a per-flow lookup of IP header on segmentation points is more efficient and consolidated. Comments about some specific text: o Getting a much better multicast join latency by eliminating the round trip interaction of S-PMSI AD routes and Leaf AD routes. Especially, the S-PMSI A-D routes may need a data-driven procedure to trigger, and make the multicast join latency even worse. The S-PMSI routes could be triggered by leaf A-D routes (section 7.2.2.1 RF= C 7524) instead of data driven. Additionally, a way to reduce latency w/o requiring ip lookup is to use I-P= MSI initially for a short period of time. o Consolidated forwarding procedure of IP lookup for every BIER Overlay functioning routers, such as BFIR, BFER, segmentation point BFR, and segmentation point BFR with BFER function. This consolidation is not really necessary. Indeed an implementation likely= will support both label switching and ip lookup, but it does not mean ip l= ookup is the preferred way on a segmentation point. Jeffrey > -----Original Message----- > From: BIER On Behalf Of Xiejingrong > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:58 PM > To: bier@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Bier] New Version Notification for draft-xie-bier-mvpn- > segmented-06.txt >=20 > Hi BIER WG, >=20 > This draft was updated greatly in the past days, and I feel it is clear n= ow. > It is a little long, so a discussion on mic may be not enough if it is no= t read > through. > Welcome very much for your feedback/inputs on this on the maillist. > Thank you very much. >=20 > My log about this draft: > ---- the term 'BIER tunnel', 'P2MP tunnel' and 'BGP-MVPN FEC'. > ---- tunnel sticking can be between any two of mLDP/RSVP-TE/IR/BIER. > ---- e2e sticked tunnel can be bound to one or many 'BGP-MVPN FEC(s)' fro= m > some IngressPE and VRF, and Ingress PE can decide to use which sticked tu= nnel > for which flow(s). > ---- the per-tunnel sticking of upstream tunnel and downstream tunnels, a= nd > the per-flow IP lookup for downstream BIER encapsulation (BitString), are > separated/decoupled. >=20 > Jingrong >=20 > -----Original Message----- > A new version of I-D, draft-xie-bier-mvpn-segmented-06.txt > has been successfully submitted by Jingrong Xie and posted to the IETF > repository. >=20 > Name: draft-xie-bier-mvpn-segmented > Revision: 06 > Title: Segmented MVPN Using IP Lookup for BIER > Document date: 2018-10-22 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 17 > URL: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_internet-2Ddrafts_draft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn- > 2Dsegmented-2D06.txt&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3D_u1HyrykoE799w1 > pjHLMlVFl39BqS3QcSI2ifj15WEM&e=3D > Status: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn- > 2Dsegmented_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3DPEN0sOb4ROpfTJ9- > rRPuBOViEjS2v3mCvXkttYALG4o&e=3D > Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn-2Dsegmented- > 2D06&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3DlCVRhdEuZwZXblwJ > mBdPKkH4GIQM4PDVRRuIiKw4Ju8&e=3D > Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_html_draft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn- > 2Dsegmented&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3DgbhCl0sGTUhaL2qG > 9dKQnIqdjbHDWbhqrxfYGwitON4&e=3D > Diff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_rfcdiff-3Furl2-3Ddraft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn- > 2Dsegmented-2D06&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3DmiQxM2C8rvh6wm > qVNaxpqPO6yjgfVTjFmfkPZdT4-go&e=3D >=20 > Abstract: > This document specifies an alternative of the control plane and data > plane procedures that allow segmented MVPN using the more efficient > LIR-pF explicit-tracking when BIER is used as the upstream or > downstream or both segments. It requires a segmentation point BFR > doing an IP header lookup, which is common for the forwarding > procedure on BFER, or the forwarding procedure on ABR with local VPN > CEs connected. 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But if new BIER algorithms are > defined, how would you define BC? Is the idea that the values in the > BIER algorithm registry signify both BC and BA? Yes when a new value is defined, corresponding BC & BA semantics need to be= given. I will clarify that. > In that case the name is misleading. Is it "misleading" in that RFC8401 says " BAR: BIER Algorithm" while here = we're saying it's constraint plus algorithm? >=20 > For IPA it is also not clear how you specify RC for the different > values of RA. The existing registry only specifies the RA. We all agreed that "IPA" is the IGP Algorithm which could be a Flexible alg= orithm. What draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo calls a flexible algorithm also is really a c= ombination of constraints and "algorithm" (or calculation-type) :-) The set consisting of (a) calculation-type, (b) metric-type and (c) a set of constraints is referred to as a Flexible-Algorithm Definition. Flexible-Algorithm is a numeric identifier in the range 128-255 that is associated via provisioning with the Flexible-Algorithm Definition. IANA "IGP Algorithm Types" registry defines the set of values for IGP Algorithms. We propose to allocate the following values for Flex- Algorithms from this registry: 128-255 - Flex-Algorithms So I perhaps we could go a little easy here :-) >=20 > In section 1 it says: > [To be added] > Will anything be added here? Wow - that's embarrassing :-) Will add and post a new revision. =20 >=20 > In section 2 it says: >=20 > In [RFC8401] and [I-D.ietf-bier-ospf-bier-extensions], an 8-bit BAR > field and 8-bit IPA field are defined to signal the BIER specific > algorithm and generic IGP Algorithm respectively and only value 0 is > allowed for both fields currently. This document specifies the > general rules for the two fields and their interaction when either or > both fields are not 0. >=20 > I think the term "currently" will be confusing once this becomes an RFC. > "Currently" here talks about the situation prior to the publication of th= e > RFC, it would no longer be true after publication. You're right. How about "in those two documents"? >=20 > Typo in the title. >=20 > Typo: multit-topolgy Thanks! Will fix. Jeffrey >=20 > Stig >=20 > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:55 AM Greg Shepherd wrote: > > > > Today starts a WGLC two week timer for: > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dbier-2Dbar-2Dipa- > 2D02&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DuNIw3ToxQY1ZhO84imJM9czs- > 8fEmjuqCxiqvu6ciEY&s=3D9Up4dsFxMx0w5cbbj5c7DKimcRHUXcjL7EQw6mygnp > A&e=3D > > > > Please read and respond to this thread with/without support. > > > > Thanks, > > Shep > > (Chairs) > > _______________________________________________ > > BIER mailing list > > BIER@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbf > h0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DuNIw3ToxQY1ZhO84imJM9czs- > 8fEmjuqCxiqvu6ciEY&s=3DTcDDTfwL4a4v6qxlh7BvKbIsDtm- > WeF4RR8xqjpAIag&e=3D >=20 > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbf > h0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DuNIw3ToxQY1ZhO84imJM9czs- > 8fEmjuqCxiqvu6ciEY&s=3DTcDDTfwL4a4v6qxlh7BvKbIsDtm- > WeF4RR8xqjpAIag&e=3D From nobody Fri Oct 26 18:59:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E07130E6B for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:59:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ScHFXUgmO2xs for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C4A3130E0C for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 18:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 72CC970BD4AA0 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 02:59:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 02:59:39 +0100 Received: from NKGEML514-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::40a8:f0d:c0f3:2ca5]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 09:59:29 +0800 From: Xiejingrong To: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" , "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-xie-bier-mvpn-segmented-06.txt Thread-Index: AQHUapjSJyH+Ma5L6Umvv8su1II2Q6UtmrSAgAEZHfCAA5jPYA== Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 01:59:28 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B28389@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <154027576169.13787.12191866686392583633.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B27171@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] New Version Notification for draft-xie-bier-mvpn-segmented-06.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 01:59:52 -0000 Hi Jeffrey, Thank you very much for the helpful comments.=20 There are some very interesting topic I want to discuss with you BIER men. See my opinions inline below marked with [XJR]. Jingrong. -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang [mailto:zzhang@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 10:07 PM To: Xiejingrong ; bier@ietf.org Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-xie-bier-mvpn-segmented-06.= txt Hi Jingrong, Please see my comments below. A general comment is that this problem is not specific to BIER. Even if it'= s just ingress replication, we'd also need IP lookup if we're not using per= -flow labels for segmentation points to do label switching. The only differ= ence between BIER and IR is that IR does not require S-PMSI routes (as the = label can be carried in auto-triggered Leaf AD routes); If it's P2MP tunnel= s, we also need S-PMSI route to advertise per-PMSI labels unless we do IP l= ookup. [XJR]: IP lookup for {ingress replication + GTM case} has been described in= RFC7988/RFC7524 ('IP processing' in there), so this draft is BIER specific= case. Moreover, this draft is an update of , which u= ses Label lookup and LIR explicit-tracking for segmented mvpn, and mainly f= ocus on BIER-BIER segmented MVPN ( I think).=20 Therefore, I don't think this solution should be targeted at BIER. A simple= BESS document could be written, covering the following generic points: - The labels in I-PMSI routes could lead to label switching into next segme= nt, or could lead to IP lookup in a local VRF. This is purely a local decis= ion based on whether you want to do ip lookup or not. - The labels in S-PMSI routes (if those routes are sent), if different from= the label in a corresponding I-PMSI, lead to label switching into next seg= ment.=20 - Leaf A-D routes trigger corresponding (s/*,g) routes in VRFs, if ip looku= p is desired/required - Upstream PE/ABR uses the label advertised in the matching x-PMSI routes (= BIER/P2MP) or Leaf AD routes (IR) to send traffic [XJR]: Thanks for the remind of more generic points. Maybe we can borrow so= me very useful words from the RFC7988/7524. For example, [The procedures fo= r such disaggregation require IP processing on the ingress ABRs] from RFC75= 24 is very suitable for BIER too, which need a disaggregation (through BIER= encapsulation for per-flow) further from a per-tunnel/un-optimized BIER tu= nnel. Also this can make the whole BIER/MLDP/RSVP/IR for MVPN/GTM consolida= te.=20 As I pointed out before, doing IP lookup is not really better than per-flow= /PMSI based label switching with respect to FIB size and forwarding perform= ance. To do IP lookup you need to maintain (s,g) routes in different VRFs (= for comparison you only need labels in the default/master instance if you d= o label switching). One can argue that this is actually less efficient - yo= u need to first do a label lookup to determine the VRF, and then do an IP l= ookup. Using IP lookup requires more forwarding state, and more forwarding = cycles; the only saving you get is the elimination of control plane S-PMSI = routes that distribute per-flow labels (and the corresponding delay). If th= at is super important, sure you can do IP lookup but the following text sho= uld be updated to point out pros and cons: [XJR]: Again thanks for the remind on the emphasis the comparison of IP loo= kup and Label lookup. I think the 'forwarding cycles', 'the FIB size', is t= he significant thing need to be mentioned. And make the 'pros and cons' mor= e clear. For the 'forwarding state', one example maybe from N to N+1 in number. For = example, in BIER-BIER segmented case, or IPMSI P2MP-BIER segmented case, or= BIER-IPMSI P2MP segmented case, the IP lookup will need one 'forwarding st= ate' of Label (to find the PseudoVRF), and N 'forwarding state' of per-flow= IP (to find the BitString). In some other cases, maybe from N to N+M. In the worst cases, maybe from N to N+N.=20 So again, words from RFC7524 is very suitable for this: "if the ingress are= a uses wildcard S-PMSI, then the backbone area also SHOULD use wildcard S-P= MSI for global table multicast, or the ingress ABRs MUST be able to disaggr= egate traffic carried over the wildcard S-PMSI onto the backbone area (S,G)= or (*,G) S-PMSIs." So the same is suitable for BIER case: if ingress area use P2MP wildcard S-= PMSI, and egress area use BIER, and the user want to leverage the BIER with= out flooding, then ABRs MUST do IP lookup. In conclusion, the pattern of forwarding packets on segmentation points only by lookup of MPLS label mapped from multicast flow(s) is significantly unnecessary when BIER is introduced. Instead, doing a per-flow lookup of IP header on segmentation points is more efficient and consolidated. Comments about some specific text: o Getting a much better multicast join latency by eliminating the round trip interaction of S-PMSI AD routes and Leaf AD routes. Especially, the S-PMSI A-D routes may need a data-driven procedure to trigger, and make the multicast join latency even worse. The S-PMSI routes could be triggered by leaf A-D routes (section 7.2.2.1 RF= C 7524) instead of data driven. Additionally, a way to reduce latency w/o requiring ip lookup is to use I-P= MSI initially for a short period of time. [XJR]: We use the word *may* to say this is a possible case. We have consid= ered the possibility of C-multicast routes triggered, or any (S,G) state tr= iggered S-PMSI route.=20 Thank you again for the introducing of another case.=20 The RFC7988 is also a big help to understand. "Note that joining an unadver= tised IR P-tunnel is only possible when using the "global table multicast" = procedures of [RFC7524]." [XJR]: Running BIER on a 'I-PMSI' manner w/o IP lookup is a good topic I wa= nt to discuss. I found a word 'compromised' in the Security section of RFC8279. Do we want= to do such a 'compromise' for a BIER deployment ?=20 I prefer personally not to use a 'compromised' manner for BIER from the imp= l side, and I would like to call this an 'S-PMSI only' replication, but unf= ortunately the 'S-PMSI only' has been used by RFC6625 for control-plane. I'd like very much to learn more about your opinions from the BIER WG. @ALL= . o Consolidated forwarding procedure of IP lookup for every BIER Overlay functioning routers, such as BFIR, BFER, segmentation point BFR, and segmentation point BFR with BFER function. This consolidation is not really necessary. Indeed an implementation likely= will support both label switching and ip lookup, but it does not mean ip l= ookup is the preferred way on a segmentation point. [XJR]: This consolidation is useful to say that, an IP lookup following an = upstream VpnLabel lookup is not an *new* requirement of implementation (esp= ecially in data-plane). I am happy to change the word too. Jeffrey > -----Original Message----- > From: BIER On Behalf Of Xiejingrong > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:58 PM > To: bier@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Bier] New Version Notification for draft-xie-bier-mvpn-=20 > segmented-06.txt >=20 > Hi BIER WG, >=20 > This draft was updated greatly in the past days, and I feel it is clear n= ow. > It is a little long, so a discussion on mic may be not enough if it is=20 > not read through. > Welcome very much for your feedback/inputs on this on the maillist. > Thank you very much. >=20 > My log about this draft: > ---- the term 'BIER tunnel', 'P2MP tunnel' and 'BGP-MVPN FEC'. > ---- tunnel sticking can be between any two of mLDP/RSVP-TE/IR/BIER. > ---- e2e sticked tunnel can be bound to one or many 'BGP-MVPN FEC(s)'=20 > from some IngressPE and VRF, and Ingress PE can decide to use which=20 > sticked tunnel for which flow(s). > ---- the per-tunnel sticking of upstream tunnel and downstream=20 > tunnels, and the per-flow IP lookup for downstream BIER encapsulation=20 > (BitString), are separated/decoupled. >=20 > Jingrong >=20 > -----Original Message----- > A new version of I-D, draft-xie-bier-mvpn-segmented-06.txt > has been successfully submitted by Jingrong Xie and posted to the IETF=20 > repository. >=20 > Name: draft-xie-bier-mvpn-segmented > Revision: 06 > Title: Segmented MVPN Using IP Lookup for BIER > Document date: 2018-10-22 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 17 > URL: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_internet-2Ddrafts_draft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn- > 2Dsegmented-2D06.txt&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3D_u1HyrykoE799w1 > pjHLMlVFl39BqS3QcSI2ifj15WEM&e=3D > Status: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn- > 2Dsegmented_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3DPEN0sOb4ROpfTJ9- > rRPuBOViEjS2v3mCvXkttYALG4o&e=3D > Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn-2Dsegmented- > 2D06&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3DlCVRhdEuZwZXblwJ > mBdPKkH4GIQM4PDVRRuIiKw4Ju8&e=3D > Htmlized: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_html_draft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn- > 2Dsegmented&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3DgbhCl0sGTUhaL2qG > 9dKQnIqdjbHDWbhqrxfYGwitON4&e=3D > Diff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_rfcdiff-3Furl2-3Ddraft-2Dxie-2Dbier-2Dmvpn- > 2Dsegmented-2D06&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3DmiQxM2C8rvh6wm > qVNaxpqPO6yjgfVTjFmfkPZdT4-go&e=3D >=20 > Abstract: > This document specifies an alternative of the control plane and data > plane procedures that allow segmented MVPN using the more efficient > LIR-pF explicit-tracking when BIER is used as the upstream or > downstream or both segments. It requires a segmentation point BFR > doing an IP header lookup, which is common for the forwarding > procedure on BFER, or the forwarding procedure on ABR with local VPN > CEs connected. This document updates [I-D.ietf-bier-mvpn]. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bier&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbf > h0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DaL92z5vmARBlhRcqrvU6Kwz1q5z4TsFK8qNHRyai1lc&s=3DAdJYxmU8rM5KwV > pemxMtSZVaPU4ryXOePtnaqFuO7dw&e=3D From nobody Fri Oct 26 23:53:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C18130E68 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 23:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ny4pLR0ZW1SG for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 23:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 839CA130E01 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 23:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id C56D634384D20 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 07:52:58 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 07:52:59 +0100 Received: from NKGEML514-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::40a8:f0d:c0f3:2ca5]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:52:49 +0800 From: Xiejingrong To: "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-venaas-bier-mtud-02 Thread-Index: AdRtwGXGNcOwoKfCRqiI/Tp3ykPNqQ== Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 06:52:49 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B28474@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B28474nkgeml514mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] Comments on draft-venaas-bier-mtud-02 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 06:53:05 -0000 --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B28474nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I read out the 3 building blocks in this draft, and I think they are helpfu= l for BIER deployment. 1. A bottom value configured or defaut to make the MTU at least no worse th= an static configured. 2. A simple/big-grain discovery of per-subdomain MTU by simple per-subdomai= n TLV for BIER specific usage. 3. A Warning of mis-configuration for administrators to avoid silent error. Some comments are: 1. I think one of the real usage of this mechanism are useful for BFIR (to = leverage the possible bigger MTU discovered). To quote of the 'requirement'= defined in RFC8279 as a use-case may be useful. Each BFIR is expected to know the Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) of the BIER domain. This may be known by provisioning, or by some other method outside the scope of this document. 2. I think the document is not mean to leverage the bigger MTU (than the de= fault for example) outside of the BIER-domain. For example, to notice the u= ser-side link to use bigger packets. There are some words in abstract. And again similar to above, list of th= e un-intended use-case (that is esay to be confused) may be helpful too. --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B28474nkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi,

     

    I read out the 3 building block= s in this draft, and I think they are helpful for BIER deployment.

    1. A bottom value configured or= defaut to make the MTU at least no worse than static configured.

    2. A simple/big-grain discovery= of per-subdomain MTU by simple per-subdomain TLV for BIER specific usage.

    3. A Warning of mis-configurati= on for administrators to avoid silent error.

     

    Some comments are:

    1. I think one of the real usag= e of this mechanism are useful for BFIR (to leverage the possible bigger MT= U discovered). To quote of the ‘requirement’ defined in RFC8279= as a use-case may be useful.

        Each BFIR is= expected to know the Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) of<= /p>

        the BIER dom= ain.  This may be known by provisioning, or by some other

        method outsi= de the scope of this document.

    2. I think the document is not = mean to leverage the bigger MTU (than the default for example) outside of t= he BIER-domain. For example, to notice the user-side link to use bigger pac= kets.

       There are som= e words in abstract. And again similar to above, list of the un-intended us= e-case (that is esay to be confused) may be helpful too.<= /p>

     

     

    --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B28474nkgeml514mbxchi_-- From nobody Sat Oct 27 00:53:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66168128D68 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 00:53:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UlFvG6BjgNqO for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 00:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A8E312785F for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 00:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML713-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 365234885F0C7 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:53:44 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by LHREML713-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:53:45 +0100 Received: from NKGEML514-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::40a8:f0d:c0f3:2ca5]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 15:53:31 +0800 From: Xiejingrong To: "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-venaas-bier-mtud-02 Thread-Index: AdRtwGXGNcOwoKfCRqiI/Tp3ykPNqQACaWJw Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 07:53:31 +0000 Message-ID: <16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B2849B@nkgeml514-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.217.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B2849Bnkgeml514mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Comments on draft-venaas-bier-mtud-02 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 07:53:51 -0000 --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B2849Bnkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable s/RFC8279/RFC8296 From: Xiejingrong Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 2:53 PM To: bier@ietf.org Subject: Comments on draft-venaas-bier-mtud-02 Hi, I read out the 3 building blocks in this draft, and I think they are helpfu= l for BIER deployment. 1. A bottom value configured or defaut to make the MTU at least no worse th= an static configured. 2. A simple/big-grain discovery of per-subdomain MTU by simple per-subdomai= n TLV for BIER specific usage. 3. A Warning of mis-configuration for administrators to avoid silent error. Some comments are: 1. I think one of the real usage of this mechanism are useful for BFIR (to = leverage the possible bigger MTU discovered). To quote of the 'requirement'= defined in RFC8279 as a use-case may be useful. Each BFIR is expected to know the Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) of the BIER domain. This may be known by provisioning, or by some other method outside the scope of this document. 2. I think the document is not mean to leverage the bigger MTU (than the de= fault for example) outside of the BIER-domain. For example, to notice the u= ser-side link to use bigger packets. There are some words in abstract. And again similar to above, list of th= e un-intended use-case (that is esay to be confused) may be helpful too. --_000_16253F7987E4F346823E305D08F9115A99B2849Bnkgeml514mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    s/RFC82= 79/RFC8296

    &n= bsp;

    From: Xiejingrong
    Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 2:53 PM
    To: bier@ietf.org
    Subject: Comments on draft-venaas-bier-mtud-02

     

    Hi,

     

    I read out the 3 building block= s in this draft, and I think they are helpful for BIER deployment.

    1. A bottom value configured or= defaut to make the MTU at least no worse than static configured.

    2. A simple/big-grain discovery= of per-subdomain MTU by simple per-subdomain TLV for BIER specific usage.

    3. A Warning of mis-configurati= on for administrators to avoid silent error.

     

    Some comments are:

    1. I think one of the real usag= e of this mechanism are useful for BFIR (to leverage the possible bigger MT= U discovered). To quote of the ‘requirement’ defined in RFC8279= as a use-case may be useful.

        Each BFIR is= expected to know the Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) of<= /p>

        the BIER dom= ain.  This may be known by provisioning, or by some other

        method outsi= de the scope of this document.

    2. I think the document is not = mean to leverage the bigger MTU (than the default for example) outside of t= he BIER-domain. For example, to notice the user-side link to use bigger pac= kets.

       There are som= e words in abstract. And again similar to above, list of the un-intended us= e-case (that is esay to be confused) may be helpful too.<= /p>

     

     

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--_005_DM6PR05MB50363A6281C036B533D79E4CD4CD0DM6PR05MB5036namp_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM6PR05MB50363A6281C036B533D79E4CD4CD0DM6PR05MB5036namp_" --_000_DM6PR05MB50363A6281C036B533D79E4CD4CD0DM6PR05MB5036namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This BESS draft was triggered by a BIER use case. We believe it's a critica= l piece of BIER deployment with MVPN/EVPN overlay. If you agree with the problem statement (section 2.1) and solution, appreci= ate your show of support for the adoption. If you don't agree, also appreciate your input and discussion. Thanks! Jeffrey From: BESS On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.c= om Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:22 PM To: bess@ietf.org Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregatio= n-label-01 Hi WG, This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group adoption draft-zzh= ang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1] Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS working group lis= t, stating whether or not you support adoption. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th= is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr= ess without answers from all the authors and contributors. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. The poll for working group adoption closes on Tue 13th November. Regards, St=E9phane and Matthew [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregatio= n-label/ [Orange logo] Stephane Litkowski Network Architect Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET Orange Expert Future Networks phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83 NEW ! mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50 NEW ! stephane.litkowski@orange.com ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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    Hi,

     

    This BESS draft was = triggered by a BIER use case. We believe it’s a critical piece of BIER deployment with MVPN/EVPN overlay.

    If you agree with th= e problem statement (section 2.1) and solution, appreciate your show of support for the adoption.

    If you don’t a= gree, also appreciate your input and discussion.

     

    Thanks!

    Jeffrey

     

    From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of stephane.litkowski@orange.com
    Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:22 PM
    To: bess@ietf.org
    Subject: [bess] WG adoption poll for draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-agg= regation-label-01

     

    Hi WG,

     

    This email begins a two-week poll for BESS working group ado= ption draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-label-01 [1]

     

    Please review the draft and post any comments to the BESS wo= rking group list, stating whether or not you support adoption.

     

    We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR tha= t applies to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compli= ance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

    If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this docu= ment, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are awar= e of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without answers from al= l the authors and contributors.

     

    If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then pl= ease explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet b= een disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

     

    The poll for working group adoption closes on Tue 13th<= /sup> November.  

     

    Regards,

    St=E9phane and Matthew

     

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-evpn-aggregation-la= bel/

     

     

     

     

     

    3D"Orange<= span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roma= n",serif;mso-ansi-language:FR">

     

    Stephane Litkowski
    Network Architect
    Orange/SCE/EQUANT/OINIS/NET<= /p>

    Orange E= xpert Future Networks

    phone: +33 2 23 06 49 83  N= EW !
    mobile: +33 6 71 63 27 50  NEW = ;!
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