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This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : BGP Extensions for BIER Authors : Xiaohu Xu Mach Chen Keyur Patel IJsbrand Wijnands Antoni Przygienda Filename : draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions-07.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2019-09-06 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is a new multicast forwarding architecture which doesn't require an explicit tree-building protocol and doesn't require intermediate routers to maintain any multicast state. BIER is applicable in a multi-tenant data center network environment for efficient delivery of Broadcast, Unknown-unicast and Multicast (BUM) traffic while eliminating the need for maintaining a huge amount of multicast state in the underlay. This document describes BGP extensions for advertising the BIER-specific information. These extensions are applicable in those multi-tenant data centers where BGP instead of IGP is deployed as an underlay for network reachability advertisement. These extensions may also be applicable in other scenarios. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-idr-extensions-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Mike McBride Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: To: Xiejingrong Cc: BIER WG , "draft-ietf-bier-ipv6-requirements@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] ipv6 requirements draft call for action X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:38:43 -0000 Hello all, https://github.com/mmcbride7/bier-v6-requirements has been created to work on this draft going forward. It is a publicly available repository. This will give the authors the ability to publicly edit the document before submitting a new draft revision to the list. All are welcome to participate. thanks, mike On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:01 AM Xiejingrong wrote= : > > Hi > As an author of one listed solution document, I'd like to post the sugges= tions about the WG's ipv6 requirements draft from my view. > > 4.2. Hop by hop DA modification > [xjr1] This section could conclude to allow the change of DA modification= , since there have been many discussions in ietf104, ietf103 and even longe= r before on the list, that bypassing a Non-BIER routers is part of the BIER= architecture (RFC8279). Seems like all the below drafts tend to use unicas= t destination address and will do Hop-by-hop DA modification or multiple-ho= p DA modification when bypassing Non-BIER routers. > > [xjr2] Also I think this section could be more clear to add a requirement= /recommendation: Solutions do not require Hop-by-hop SA modification is pre= ferred, because keeping the SA is beneficial for fast-path forwarding (req = 4.9 in this doc), is beneficial for get notice from BFIR for function like = BIER PING and TRACE and MTU notification, is beneficial for identifying an = MVPN instance to get rid of more encapsulation like Service Label like MPLS= VPN Label or VNI in the SRv6 network (as philosophy of SRv6 mentioned in 4= .3 of this doc), and is beneficial for SA filtering (req 4.6 in this doc). > > [xjr3] according to the above [xjr2], the title of section 4.2 could be c= hanged accordingly to "Hop by hop DA or SA modification", or the title of s= ection 4.4 could be changed accordingly to "SA field requirement" and the a= bove [xjr2] moved to section 4.4. > > 4.3. L4 Inspection > [xjr4] This section need more explanation as there have been some argumen= ts on the list what is L4. Here are some points for reference: > (1) In Fragmentation, BIER is payload, and will be fragmented.. (BIER-he= ader + payload-1-to-1xxx bytes) in one packet, and (payload-1xxx-to-2xxx) i= n another packet. > Thus, when BFR B receive a packet from BFR A, BFR B has to assembly the f= ragmented packets before sending to BFR C and BFR D. > (2) In AH, BIER is payload, and will be seen as immutable for Integrity C= heck Value (ICV) calculation. > Thus, when BFR B receive a packet with AH ICV from BFR A, BFR B has to do= the AH verification before sending to BFR C and BFR D. > (3) In SRH, BIER is payload, and will be reached only after the SRH is pr= ocessed. > Thus, when BFR B receive a packet with SRH from BFR A, BFR B has to proce= ss the SRH first, and then the Upper-layer BIER header at last. > > [xjr5] Also, there could be more explanation on why SRH is need to be int= egrated here for two reasons, one is that the solution is target to work we= ll in SRv6 networks as a use case in section 3.4 of this doc, one is that b= oth the 2nd and 4th of the following document both agree to consider SRH in= tegration. > > 4.7. BIER architecture support > [xjr6] add explanation about Bypassing Non-BIER routers and L2 switches a= s part of the BIRE architecture to be supported as mandatory requirement. > > 5. Solutions Evaluation > [xjr7] This section could add some text to remind that each solution shou= ld declare its compliance with this document before the detailed evaluation= of each proposal, since this document is the production of WG after more t= han 60 minutes thorough discussion on ietf103, ietf104 based on the work of= past 5 years! Also the key problems of each proposal that don't meet the r= equirements could be made clear for further discussions on the list. > > > Thanks > Jingrong > > -----Original Message----- > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike McBride > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 6:54 AM > To: BIER WG > Subject: [Bier] ipv6 requirements draft call for action > > Hello all, > > Just a reminder to please, especially if you are authoring one of the bel= ow solutions drafts, contribute to our wg's ipv6 requirements draft (draft-= ietf-bier-ipv6-requirements). Authors and contributors are wide open. We in= tend to progress this quickly so we can start adopting/progressing the solu= tions documents. Without additional feedback we will give it our best shot = to properly justify each solution. We are shooting to get this "done" by Si= ngapore. > > Here are the solutions drafts referenced in the draft: > > pfister-bier-over-ipv6 > xie-bier-ipv6-encapsulation > xu-bier-encapsulation > zhang-bier-bierin6 > > thank you! > mike > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier From nobody Fri Sep 20 14:01:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41777120106; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:01:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n-f0azKN1Lsc; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd41.google.com (mail-io1-xd41.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19E7A120077; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd41.google.com with SMTP id c6so6083377ioo.13; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:01:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=JGMx1QkC8mmi0pXP4M0YD6WiNlOv6BVO8A7oEGEAyxI=; b=Tctf36zxpZsfTZ0PjAagD/TUC99U+c/lhrG21xS9/867Lzy9+IUZgqHs85lVKiFBmd ahICAxY9e0SJmzPc9zW+ZWFKMh6gm0IlDK3aO8MHH4oqiuIViX5XgLT549XFX4s3NqKO o32XpfJW95gQyVktCO7wZq0Snv/bo5gKS98hqMNuwiLnAhKAp+5FBZcXUxXRozk5uojv pHRoOWJ719V4uN377HeN8fL+mxtmySCTMnS9js/o5Liwk7X2/sxccHohHXcV5m6GW3tT wjSn40wpTMMxoL8ktT9d3OuS+TMwBOS8E4vLttmmO65GLMZ8ZQg/0SxDThtacbOZ5XMQ Lrsg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JGMx1QkC8mmi0pXP4M0YD6WiNlOv6BVO8A7oEGEAyxI=; b=FMgV9PE6atB9wRKiP8G4odq5rZ3MemFH20tick2a970Ff8Y3RUboZ9jFHzZO1OyFce EQhntbqAffSqJXCl/SkOE5UoROitJisce1I+s1WPYOZvJ6NNdD1zF+kkwbIQ+UpBQIeZ qf+x9Gv0l9hjeWiAN8brCiQ3S4ObnbwkpJexfvtIBjhGSHO6KHFH0rjwjjKb5v9Q+L11 Qdu4QQZQP/e2oKCgLu3j1AR7ZXPZFltH+3xTvQDOv+j8p8N37xJxsDpiPIsSWbb8Isa7 UfZq4WMPbGk3zUA2mPUkGNZPErHXG5uIkvwopsPfScFNeZ1VXroUH6UtTaviik4JF4SF 97ow== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVERiD0izrbv9GWYb1o7x98YeW/tV9jB+LSK0W9uo7G7M5CCbcF LoMhipegN/mmEhICKmRy/SZnQ3Rn+qHKHfaIr7M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzfddKjbg+k2SAdktJVypMcLfbSFf8MENZDq71ucFAIqcqIo2IbSviMFpexzNavnU4zaQougXylLx2A4se5gxg= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:6b06:: with SMTP id g6mr2966763ioc.72.1569013287402; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:01:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com From: Greg Shepherd Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:01:16 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , BIER WG , Alvaro Retana Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a4c2b10593025f77" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 21:01:31 -0000 --000000000000a4c2b10593025f77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can the authors please update the draft with the agreed changes? Please keep comments on the list or at least cc: chairs so we can track. One this is rev'd we can do a quick LC and progress. Thanks, Greg On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 3:35 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi Greg, > > > > The authors have responded (please see attached) to all the comments and > baring one about TLV code-point space, rest all would address my comments= . > I would wait for the updated version and the author=E2=80=99s decision on= the > sub-TLV code-points issue before progressing this further. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* BIER *On Behalf Of *Greg Shepherd > *Sent:* 08 August 2019 01:34 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* idr-chairs@ietf.org; BIER WG ; Alvaro Retana < > aretana.ietf@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext > > > > Please. We need to progress this work. > > > > Thanks > > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:43 AM Greg Shepherd wrote: > > Can the authors please address Ketan's issues here? > > > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 12:23 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) < > ketant@cisco.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I=E2=80=99ve reviewed this draft and have some comments below. I do not b= elieve > this draft is ready until they are addressed. > > > > IMHO the BIER WG should also cross-post this to the IDR WG so that it get= s > sufficient eyeballs from the folks working on BGP-LS there. Please note > that there are couple of points in my email below related to code point > allocation and implementation requirements that are followed for document= s > in IDR WG. I am also copying the IDR chairs and Alvaro so that we can com= e > to some common understanding across WGs producing documents related to > BGP-LS extensions. > > > > General : > > > > In most cases, the BGP-LS extensions arise from similar extensions to the > IGPs. I assume this is also the case with this document? It becomes > important and necessary that the document talks about the underlying IGP > specs and the TLVs from where the information to be put into the new BGP-= LS > TLVs being defined. Otherwise, how would the BGP-LS producer implementati= on > know what to construct the TLVs from? > > > > If this information is not being sourced from the IGPs, then likely the > BFRs would all need to setup a BGP-LS sessions and then this information = is > sourced locally. I doubt this is the case, but please confirm. > > > > Sec 3 : Please expand =E2=80=9CBFR=E2=80=9D and explain what it is on the= first usage. > > > > Sec 3 : There is no =E2=80=9CBGP-LS Prefix Attribute TLV=E2=80=9D in BGP-= LS/RFC 7752. The > name of the BGP Attribute introduced for BGP-LS is called BGP-LS Attribut= e ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7752#section-3.3). Some of the TLVs in > this BGP-LS Attribute are called =E2=80=9CPrefix Attribute TLVs=E2=80=9D = i.e. the ones that > are associated with the BGP-LS Prefix NLRI. What we are introducing in th= is > draft for BIER are more/new Prefix Attribute TLVs. > > > > Sec 3.1 : Why do we need the MT-ID in this TLV when we already have TLV > 263 that indicates the MT-ID as part of the Prefix descriptor TLVs in the > NLRI part? > > > > Sec 3.2 : What is BS Length? I don=E2=80=99t find it in the equivalent IG= P TLVs in > rfc8444 and rfc8401. > > > > Sec 3.2 : Says > > It MUST appear multiple times in the BIER TLV as described in [RFC8444 ] > > > > This is not true. It should be a MAY not a MUST. > > > > Sec 3.3 : The BS Length is 4 bits in the IGPs while it is being introduce= d > as an 8 bit field in BGP-LS. Normally, we should keep things aligned > between IGPs and BGP-LS =E2=80=93 however, if we want to not do this, the= n this > document should have some text to explain how the length is encoded. > Perhaps somewhat similar to how it=E2=80=99s explained for the label fiel= d. > > > > Sec 4 : IDR WG does not allow for =E2=80=9Csuggestions=E2=80=9D or =E2=80= =9Crecommendations=E2=80=9D for > code-points =E2=80=93 since this is a BGP-LS document I would assume we f= ollow the > same rules even if this is BIER WG document? When required, the IANA earl= y > allocation procedure should be followed and the code points updated in th= e > draft once that has been done. Otherwise we will end up having squatting > and conflict issues since we will also have BGP-LS drafts in the LSR WG > going forward. I hope we can come to some common understanding on this > allocation process across the WGs. Another (unrelated) point is that the > IDR WG expects implementation reports and progression to WGLC only after > we=E2=80=99ve had 2 implementation reports =E2=80=93 does this change for= BGP-LS extensions > from outside IDR? > > > > Sec 4 : The IANA BGP-LS Parameters registry has the =E2=80=9CBGP-LS Node > Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute TLVs=E2=80= =9D > registry. Also, this document proposes to setup a new registry for the > Encapsulation sub-TLV. We=E2=80=99ve never done this in BGP-LS previously= and > everyone (including sub-TLVs) allocates from the same flat space. If this > document is proposing a deviation from this, then I believe it needs to b= e > reviewed in IDR WG since that will likely change and set a precedent for > how we allocate code-points for BGP-LS. > > > > Sec 5 : I think the text in this section is inadequate and we will face > questions during AD/IESG reviews. Please consider borrowing text from > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8571#section-3 (I assume this is > straightforward case of taking info from IGPs into BGP-LS) on the lines o= f > RFC7752. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > > > *From:* BIER *On Behalf Of *Greg Shepherd > *Sent:* 31 May 2019 01:09 > *To:* BIER WG > *Subject:* [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext > > > > Solid support in the room in Prague. Now to the list.. Please read and > respond to this thread: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext/ > > > > Also need a volunteer Doc Shepherd. I'll buy you a beer. > > > > Voting ends 13 June 2019. > > > > Thanks, > > Shep > > (chairs) > > --000000000000a4c2b10593025f77 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can the authors please update the draft with the agreed ch= anges? Please keep comments on the list or at least cc: chairs so we can tr= ack.

One this is rev'd we can do a quick LC and prog= ress.

Thanks,
Greg

On Thu, Aug 8, 2= 019 at 3:35 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Greg,

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The authors have responded (please see attache= d) to all the comments and baring one about TLV code-point space, rest all = would address my comments. I would wait for the updated version and the aut= hor=E2=80=99s decision on the sub-TLV code-points issue before progressing this further.=

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Thanks,

Ketan

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From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd
Sent: 08 August 2019 01:34
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: idr-cha= irs@ietf.org; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>; Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext<= /u>

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Please. We need to progress this work.=

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Thanks

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On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:43 AM Greg Shepherd <<= a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Can the authors please address Ketan's issues he= re?

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Thanks,

Greg

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On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 12:23 AM Ketan Talaulikar (k= etant) <ketant@cis= co.com> wrote:

Hello,

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I=E2=80=99ve reviewed this draft and have some comme= nts below. I do not believe this draft is ready until they are addressed.

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IMHO the BIER WG should also cross-post this to the = IDR WG so that it gets sufficient eyeballs from the folks working on BGP-LS= there. Please note that there are couple of points in my email below related to code point allocation and implementation requ= irements that are followed for documents in IDR WG. I am also copying the I= DR chairs and Alvaro so that we can come to some common understanding acros= s WGs producing documents related to BGP-LS extensions.

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General :

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In most cases, the BGP-LS extensions arise from simi= lar extensions to the IGPs. I assume this is also the case with this docume= nt? It becomes important and necessary that the document talks about the underlying IGP specs and the TLVs from where the informati= on to be put into the new BGP-LS TLVs being defined. Otherwise, how would t= he BGP-LS producer implementation know what to construct the TLVs from?

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If this information is not being sourced from the IG= Ps, then likely the BFRs would all need to setup a BGP-LS sessions and then= this information is sourced locally. I doubt this is the case, but please confirm.

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Sec 3 : Please expand =E2=80=9CBFR=E2=80=9D and expl= ain what it is on the first usage.

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Sec 3 : There is no =E2=80=9CBGP-LS Prefix Attribute= TLV=E2=80=9D in BGP-LS/RFC 7752. The name of the BGP Attribute introduced = for BGP-LS is called BGP-LS Attribute (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc77= 52#section-3.3). Some of the TLVs in this BGP-LS Attribute are called =E2=80=9CPrefix Attri= bute TLVs=E2=80=9D i.e. the ones that are associated with the BGP-LS Prefix= NLRI. What we are introducing in this draft for BIER are more/new Prefix A= ttribute TLVs.

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Sec 3.1 : Why do we need the MT-ID in this TLV when = we already have TLV 263 that indicates the MT-ID as part of the Prefix desc= riptor TLVs in the NLRI part?

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Sec 3.2 : What is BS Length? I don=E2=80=99t find it= in the equivalent IGP TLVs in rfc8444 and rfc8401.

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Sec 3.2 : Says <=
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It MUST appear multiple times in the BIER =
TLV as described in [RFC8444]

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This is not true. It should be a MAY not a MUST.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Sec 3.3 : The BS Length is 4 bits in the IGPs while = it is being introduced as an 8 bit field in BGP-LS. Normally, we should kee= p things aligned between IGPs and BGP-LS =E2=80=93 however, if we want to not do this, then this document should have some text to exp= lain how the length is encoded. Perhaps somewhat similar to how it=E2=80=99= s explained for the label field.

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Sec 4 : IDR WG does not allow for =E2=80=9Csuggestio= ns=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Crecommendations=E2=80=9D for code-points =E2=80=93 = since this is a BGP-LS document I would assume we follow the same rules eve= n if this is BIER WG document? When required, the IANA early allocation procedure should be = followed and the code points updated in the draft once that has been done. = Otherwise we will end up having squatting and conflict issues since we will= also have BGP-LS drafts in the LSR WG going forward. I hope we can come to some common understanding on t= his allocation process across the WGs. Another (unrelated) point is that th= e IDR WG expects implementation reports and progression to WGLC only after = we=E2=80=99ve had 2 implementation reports =E2=80=93 does this change for BGP-LS extensions from outside IDR?<= u>

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Sec 4 : The IANA BGP-LS Parameters registry has the = =E2=80=9CBGP-LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and At= tribute TLVs=E2=80=9D registry. Also, this document proposes to setup a new registry for the Encapsulation sub-TLV. We=E2=80=99ve never done thi= s in BGP-LS previously and everyone (including sub-TLVs) allocates from the= same flat space. If this document is proposing a deviation from this, then= I believe it needs to be reviewed in IDR WG since that will likely change and set a precedent for how we allocate c= ode-points for BGP-LS.

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Sec 5 : I think the text in this section is inadequa= te and we will face questions during AD/IESG reviews. Please consider borro= wing text from https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8571#section-3 (I assume this is straig= htforward case of taking info from IGPs into BGP-LS) on the lines of RFC775= 2.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ketan

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=C2=A0

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd
Sent: 31 May 2019 01:09
To: BIER WG <b= ier@ietf.org>
Subject: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext<= u>

=C2=A0

Solid support in the room in Prague. Now to the list= .. Please read and respond to this thread:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Also need a volunteer Doc Shepherd. I'll buy you= a beer.

=C2=A0

Voting ends 13 June 2019.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Shep

(chairs)

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Can other please read and respond? Thanks, Greg On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 6:57 AM Xiejingrong wrote: > Good examples in the -03 draft. > I like the style of rich examples as I have been used to use in my > documents. > The more I think about the BIER-TE idea, the more I feel it is useful and > creative recently. > I support the BIER-TE LC. > > Thanks > Jingrong > > ________________________________________ > From: BIER [bier-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Toerless Eckert [ > tte@cs.fau.de] > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2019 23:38 > To: Mike McBride > Cc: Greg Shepherd; BIER WG; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC - draft-ietf-bier-te-arch > > Thanks, Mike > > The authors also reviewed the document and concluded that it was really > hard to get into the document context because of too many forward > dependencies. We tried to fix this by adding two hopefully good & basic > examples into the Introduction section and using them to also add > a better definition of the term "BIER-TE Topology" in the Introduction. > Hopefully this makes readin the rest of te document smoother. > > Also improved text of Abstract and refined text compariing BIER-TE with SR. > > > http://tools.ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-02.txt&url2=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-03.txt > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 10:39:36AM -0700, Mike McBride wrote: > > How about three? I support. > > mike > > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:42 AM Greg Shepherd wrote: > > > > > > We cannot take two 'yes' votes and WG consensus. > > > Please, read and respond. If you don't support, then please vote as > much publicly right here. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Greg > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:05 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Support: > > >> > > >> I see great value in deterministic networks as well as IOT (with RPL). > > >> > > >> All the best, > > >> > > >> Pascal > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: BIER On Behalf Of Toerless Eckert > > >> > Sent: mardi 4 juin 2019 02:03 > > >> > To: Greg Shepherd > > >> > Cc: BIER WG > > >> > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC - draft-ietf-bier-te-arch > > >> > > > >> > +1 > > >> > Obviously support as co-author. > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:41:26PM -0700, Greg Shepherd wrote: > > >> > > Please read and respond to this thread w/ or w/o support. > > >> > > > > >> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-te-arch/ > > >> > > > > >> > > Vote ends 5 June 2019. > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks, > > >> > > Shep > > >> > > (chairs) > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > BIER mailing list > > >> > > BIER@ietf.org > > >> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > BIER mailing list > > >> > BIER@ietf.org > > >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BIER mailing list > > > BIER@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --0000000000004eb275059302d379 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes =3D 4
No =3D 0

Four is ha= rdly representative of the WG. Can other please read and respond?

Thanks,
Greg

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 6:57 AM= Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huaw= ei.com> wrote:
Good examples in the -03 dr= aft.
I like the style of rich examples as I have been used to use in my document= s.
The more I think about the BIER-TE idea, the more I feel it is useful and c= reative recently.
I support the BIER-TE LC.

Thanks
Jingrong

________________________________________
From: BIER [bier= -bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Toerless Eckert [tte@cs.fau.de]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2019 23:38
To: Mike McBride
Cc: Greg Shepherd; BIER WG; Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC - draft-ietf-bier-te-arch

Thanks, Mike

The authors also reviewed the document and concluded that it was really
hard to get into the document context because of too many forward
dependencies. We tried to fix this by adding two hopefully good & basic=
examples into the Introduction section and using them to also add
a better definition of the term "BIER-TE Topology" in the Introdu= ction.
Hopefully this makes readin the rest of te document smoother.

Also improved text of Abstract and refined text compariing BIER-TE with SR.=

http://tools.= ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-= 02.txt&url2=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bier-te-arch-03.txt<= /a>

Cheers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Toerless

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 10:39:36AM -0700, Mike McBride wrote:
> How about three? I support.
> mike
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:42 AM Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > We cannot take two 'yes' votes and WG consensus.
> > Please, read and respond. If you don't support, then please v= ote as much publicly right here.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:05 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com= > wrote:
> >>
> >> Support:
> >>
> >> I see great value in deterministic networks as well as IOT (w= ith RPL).
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Pascal
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Toerless Ecker= t
> >> > Sent: mardi 4 juin 2019 02:03
> >> > To: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com>
> >> > Cc: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC - draft-ietf-bier-te-arch
> >> >
> >> > +1
> >> > Obviously support as co-author.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:41:26PM -0700, Greg Shepherd = wrote:
> >> > > Please read and respond to this thread w/ or w/o su= pport.
> >> > >
> >> > > https://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-te-arch/
> >> > >
> >> > > Vote ends 5 June 2019.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Shep
> >> > > (chairs)
> >> >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > BIER mailing list
> >> > > = BIER@ietf.org
> >> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listi= nfo/bier
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > BIER mailing list
> >> > BIER@= ietf.org
> >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/b= ier
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BIER mailing list
> > BIER@ietf.org<= /a>
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier
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Let's restart a short WGLC - week. Please read and respond to this thread by Oct 4, 2019 Thanks, Greg On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 1:40 PM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com> wrote: > Inline >> >> Regards >> >> Hooman >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stig Venaas >> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 4:29 PM >> To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) >> Cc: Ijsbrand Wijnands ; bier-chairs@ietf.org; Jeffrey >> (Zhaohui) Zhang ; Antoni Przygienda ; >> Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) >> Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ >> >> Hi >> >> Sorry for delay. >> >> HB> thanks for the comments! >> >> This looks good, except that in the diagram it says "Type = 6" >> >> HB> agreed thank you! >> >> but below it says TBD. It should say TBD in the diagram as well. >> Just editorial, but I think it should say IPv4, IPv6, "PIM packet" and >> maybe BFR-ID? >> >> HB> ok agreed, this is really base on the bier prefix so I will change >> the text. >> >> Stig >> >> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 8:15 AM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < >> hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Stig >> > >> > Could you please confirm if you are ok with below or you have any other >> input/comments... That way I can post a final version. >> > >> > Much appreciated! >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Hooman >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 3:07 PM >> > To: Stig Venaas ; Ijsbrand Wijnands >> > Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang ; Antoni Przygienda >> > ; Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) >> > Subject: RE: [Bier] WG LC on >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ >> > >> > Hi Stig et al >> > >> > Thanks for comments >> > >> > Just to close the loop I will add the following, please let me know if >> you are good with it... >> > >> > >> > 0 1 2 3 >> > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > |F|E| Type=tbd | Length | Addr Family | BIER info >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-... >> > >> > F bit: The Transitive bit. Specifies whether this attribute is >> > transitive or non-transitive. MUST be set to zero. This >> > attribute is ALWAYS non-transitive. >> > >> > E bit: End-of-Attributes bit. Specifies whether this attribute is >> > the last. Set to zero if there are more attributes. Set to 1 if >> > this is the last attribute. >> > >> > Type: TBD assign by IANA >> > >> > Length: The length in octets of the attribute value. MUST be set >> > to the length in octets of the BIER info +1 octet >> > to account for the Address Family field. >> > For Ipv4 AF Length = 7+1 >> > For Ipv6 AF Length = 19+1 >> > >> > Addr Family: The PIM Address Family of the receiver Pim packet as >> defined >> > in [RFC7761]. >> > >> > BIER Info: IBBR Prefix, SD, bfr-id >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Hooman >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Stig Venaas >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:45 AM >> > To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) >> > Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang ; BIER WG >> > ; Antoni Przygienda ; Mankamana Mishra >> > (mankamis) >> > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ >> > >> > Hi >> > >> > I have a comment on the attribute text in the draft. >> > >> > It says: >> > Attr_type=TBD (BIER IBBR info IPv4): lenght=6 ; value=IBBR Prefix >> > (ipv4), SD, bfr-id >> > >> > Attr_type=TBD (BIER IBBR info IPv6): lenght=19 ; value=IBBR Prefix >> > (ipv6), SD, bfr-id >> > >> > Most importantly, for IPv4, the length should be 7! I also think >> > though that it would be useful to have a diagram. Also if you look at >> > other attributes defined >> > https://www.iana.org/assignments/pim-parameters/pim-parameters.xhtml#p >> > im-parameters-2 you will see that the same option is used for both >> > IPv4 and IPv6. I would suggest doing a diagram and using AF similar to >> RFC 8059 section 5.1. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Stig >> > >> > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:53 AM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < >> hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > Jeffery/Stig/Eric >> > > >> > > Thanks again for your feedbacks... >> > > >> > > Bringing the working group into the loop >> > > >> > > RFC 5384 was proposed to be used to relay the IBBR info to EBBR >> > > >> > > Two new Attr types was proposed for identifying IBBR IPv4 and IPv6 >> address family. >> > > >> > > 0 1 2 3 >> > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > | Addr Family | Encoding Type | Rsrvd |S|W|R| Mask Len | >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > | Source Address >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+..... >> > > |F|E| Attr_Type | Length | Value >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+..... >> > > >> > > Encoding type = 1 >> > > F = 0 >> > > Attr_type= 7 (New IANA BIER IBBR info IPv4) Vlaue = IBBR Prefix, SD, >> > > bfr-id Attr_type= 8 (New IANA BIER IBBR info IPv6) Vlaue = IBBR >> > > Prefix, SD, bfr-id >> > > >> > > IBBR Prefix: this is IPv4 or IPv6 BFR-Prefix of the IBBR for the >> > > specific subdomain as described in [RFC8279] >> > > SD: This is a 8-bit field that encodes the Sub-Domain as described in >> [RFC8279]. >> > > BFR-ID: this is a 16-bit field which identifies the BFR uniquely >> > > with in the subdomain as described in [RFC8279] >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: BIER On Behalf Of Eric Rosen >> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:32 AM >> > > To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; >> > > Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang >> > > Cc: Stig Venaas ; BIER WG ; Antoni >> > > Przygienda >> > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on >> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ >> > > >> > > On 11/18/2018 4:53 PM, Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) wrote: >> > > > Jeffery/Stig >> > > > >> > > > Going back to the comments in the IETF for an optional TLV to >> identify the IBBR in the PIM join. >> > > > >> > > > 1. Jeffrey forwarded RFC 5384, I am not sure how the TLVs in >> this RFC will help to identify the IBBR in the PIM signaling packet? >> > > >> > > RFC 5384 is about how to add attributes to PIM Joins. I think the >> suggestion is that a new Join attribute (identifying the IBBR) needs to be >> defined. >> > > >> > > > 2. Thinking more about this, If the implementation on EBBR >> dictates that the PIM message needs to have an optional TLV that identifies >> the IBBR, why can't the EBBR add that TLV to the PIM signaling packet >> before it sends it to the PIM task. All the info are available in the BIER >> header and before the signaling packet is send to the PIM task on EBBR the >> EBBR can add this information as an optional TLV. I >> > > >> > > Stig is obviously concerned about an implementation in which (a) the >> ability to pass information about the packet from hardware to software is >> limited, and (b) the ability to modify the packet before passing it to the >> control plane processor is minimal or non-existent. And if these abilities >> exist, it might involve difficult-to-incorporate microcode changes. These >> issues aren't that mysterious. >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > BIER mailing list >> > > BIER@ietf.org >> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier >> > --000000000000131d130593167a9f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The doc has been rev'd with the proposed changes. Let's r= estart a short WGLC - week. Please read and respond to this thread by Oct 4= , 2019

Thanks,
Greg

=C2=A0On Thu, Apr 18, 2019= at 1:40 PM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com> wro= te:
Inlin= e

Regards

Hooman

-----Original Message-----
From: Stig Venaas <= stig@venaas.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 4:29 PM
To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>
Cc: Ijsbrand Wijnands <ice@cisco.com>; bier-chairs@ietf.org; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; Anto= ni Przygienda <prz@= juniper.net>; Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on https://= datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/

Hi

Sorry for delay.

HB> thanks for the comments!

This looks good, except that in the diagram it says "Type =3D 6"<= br>
HB> agreed thank you!

but below it says TBD. It should say TBD in the diagram as well.
Just editorial, but I think it should say IPv4, IPv6, "PIM packet"= ; and maybe BFR-ID?

HB> ok agreed, this is really base on the bier prefix so I will change t= he text.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Stig

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 8:15 AM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@n= okia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Stig
>
> Could you please confirm if you are ok with below or you have any othe= r input/comments... That way I can post a final version.
>
> Much appreciated!
>
> Regards
>
> Hooman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 3:07 PM
> To: Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>; Ijsbrand Wijnands <ice@cisco.com>
> Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; Antoni Przygienda
> <prz@juniper.n= et>; Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com>
> Subject: RE: [Bier] WG LC on
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/
>
> Hi Stig et al
>
> Thanks for comments
>
> Just to close the loop I will add the following, please let me know if= you are good with it...
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A03
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1= 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|F|E|=C2=A0 Type=3Dtbd=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = Length=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 Addr Family=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 BIER info
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-...
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 F bit:=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Transitive bit.=C2=A0 Specifies wh= ether this attribute is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0transitive or non-transitive.=C2=A0 MUST be = set to zero.=C2=A0 This
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0attribute is ALWAYS non-transitive.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 E bit:=C2=A0 =C2=A0End-of-Attributes bit.=C2=A0 Specifies= whether this attribute is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the last.=C2=A0 Set to zero if there are mor= e attributes.=C2=A0 Set to 1 if
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this is the last attribute.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Type:=C2=A0 =C2=A0TBD assign by IANA
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Length:=C2=A0 =C2=A0The length in octets of the attribute= value.=C2=A0 MUST be set
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to the length in octets of the BIER info +1 = octet
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to account for the Address Family field.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For Ipv4 AF Length =3D 7+1
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For Ipv6 AF Length =3D 19+1
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Addr Family:=C2=A0 =C2=A0The PIM Address Family of the re= ceiver Pim packet as defined
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in [RFC7761].
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 BIER Info: IBBR Prefix, SD, bfr-id
>
> Regards
>
> Hooman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:45 AM
> To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>
> Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; BIER WG
> <bier@ietf.org>; Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net>; Mankamana Mishra
> (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/
>
> Hi
>
> I have a comment on the attribute text in the draft.
>
> It says:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Attr_type=3DTBD (BIER IBBR info IPv4): lenght=3D6 ; value= =3DIBBR Prefix
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (ipv4), SD, bfr-id
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Attr_type=3DTBD (BIER IBBR info IPv6): lenght=3D19 ; valu= e=3DIBBR Prefix
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (ipv6), SD, bfr-id
>
> Most importantly, for IPv4, the length should be 7! I also think
> though that it would be useful to have a diagram. Also if you look at =
> other attributes defined
> https://www.iana.org/assi= gnments/pim-parameters/pim-parameters.xhtml#p
> im-parameters-2 you will see that the same option is used for both > IPv4 and IPv6. I would suggest doing a diagram and using AF similar to= RFC 8059 section 5.1.
>
> Regards,
> Stig
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:53 AM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <= ;hooman.bidgo= li@nokia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jeffery/Stig/Eric
> >
> > Thanks again for your feedbacks...
> >
> > Bringing the working group into the loop
> >
> > RFC 5384 was proposed to be used to relay the IBBR info to EBBR > >
> > Two new Attr types was proposed for identifying IBBR IPv4 and IPv= 6 address family.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A03
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 = 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 | Addr Family=C2=A0 =C2=A0| Encoding Type | Rsrvd=C2= =A0 =C2=A0|S|W|R|=C2=A0 Mask Len=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0Source Address
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+.....
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 |F|E| Attr_Type | Length=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = | Value
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+.....
> >
> > Encoding type =3D 1
> > F =3D 0
> > Attr_type=3D 7 (New IANA BIER IBBR info IPv4) Vlaue =3D IBBR Pref= ix, SD,
> > bfr-id Attr_type=3D 8 (New IANA BIER IBBR info IPv6) Vlaue =3D IB= BR
> > Prefix, SD, bfr-id
> >
> > IBBR Prefix: this is IPv4 or IPv6 BFR-Prefix of the IBBR for the =
> > specific subdomain as described in [RFC8279]
> > SD: This is a 8-bit field that encodes the Sub-Domain as describe= d in [RFC8279].
> > BFR-ID: this is a 16-bit field which identifies the BFR uniquely =
> > with in the subdomain as described in [RFC8279]
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Eric Rosen
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:32 AM
> > To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>; =
> > Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
> > Cc: Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>; Antoni
> > Przygienda <prz@juniper.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on
> > https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/
> >
> > On 11/18/2018 4:53 PM, Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) wrote:=
> > > Jeffery/Stig
> > >
> > > Going back to the comments in the IETF for an optional TLV t= o identify the IBBR in the PIM join.
> > >
> > > 1.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeffrey forwarded RFC 5384, I am not sure ho= w the TLVs in this RFC will help to identify the IBBR in the PIM signaling = packet?
> >
> > RFC 5384 is about how to add attributes to PIM Joins.=C2=A0 I thi= nk the suggestion is that a new Join attribute (identifying the IBBR) needs= to be defined.
> >
> > > 2.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thinking more about this, If the implementat= ion on EBBR dictates that the PIM message needs to have an optional TLV tha= t identifies the IBBR, why can't the EBBR add that TLV to the PIM signa= ling packet before it sends it to the PIM task. All the info are available = in the BIER header and before the signaling packet is send to the PIM task = on EBBR the EBBR can add this information as an optional TLV. I
> >
> > Stig is obviously concerned about an implementation in which (a) = the ability to pass information about the packet from hardware to software = is limited, and (b) the ability to modify the packet before passing it to t= he control plane processor is minimal or non-existent.=C2=A0 And if these a= bilities exist, it might involve difficult-to-incorporate microcode changes= .=C2=A0 These issues aren't that mysterious.
> >
> >
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BIER WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-php X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 03:27:43 -0000 --00000000000049d7c30593441e5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, I've read the draft and support it to be progressed as it addresses the real scenario in a very elegant manner. Please consider my notes below as WGLC comments (all are editorial): - Would expect [To be added] note replaced by the list of terms, acronyms. - Expand acronyms on the first use (except for those that are part of well-known terms. - Perhaps s/BIER capable/BIER-capable/ and s/BIER incapable/BIER-incapable/ Regards, Greg On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 2:22 PM Greg Shepherd wrote: > We're long past Aug 13th and not one response. PLEASE read and respond or > we'll just let this expire. > > Thanks, > Greg > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:23 AM Greg Shepherd wrote: > >> Please read and respond to this thread: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-php/ >> >> EOTWT: Aug 13th. >> >> Thanks, >> Shep >> (chairs) >> > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --00000000000049d7c30593441e5b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,
I've read the draft and support it to be= progressed as it addresses the real scenario in a very elegant manner.
Please consider my notes below as WGLC comments (all are editorial):=
  • Would expect [To be added] note replaced by the list of = terms, acronyms.
  • Expand acronyms on the first use (except for those= that are part of well-known terms.
  • Perhaps s/BIER capable/BIER-cap= able/ and s/BIER incapable/BIER-incapable/
Regards,
Greg=

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 2:22 PM Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
We're long past Aug 1= 3th and not one response. PLEASE read and respond or we'll just let thi= s expire.

Thanks,
Greg

On Tue, Jul 30, 20= 19 at 11:23 AM Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
Please read a= nd respond to this thread:


EOTWT: A= ug 13th.

Thanks,
Shep
(chairs)=
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The draft is good to go, no comments. 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have PHP in BIER. Support:) BRs, Linda On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) < jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> wrote: > This is useful work. It should progress. > > Support. > > > > Thx > > Jorge > > > > > > *From: *BIER on behalf of Greg Shepherd < > gjshep@gmail.com> > *Reply-To: *"gjshep@gmail.com" > *Date: *Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:22 PM > *To: *BIER WG > *Subject: *Re: [Bier] BIER WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-php > > > > We're long past Aug 13th and not one response. PLEASE read and respond or > we'll just let this expire. > > > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:23 AM Greg Shepherd wrote: > > Please read and respond to this thread: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-php/ > > > > EOTWT: Aug 13th. > > > > Thanks, > > Shep > > (chairs) > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --000000000000116860059347dd37 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's a really good point to have PHP in BIER.

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Support:)

BRs,
Linda

On = Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:34 PM Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View) <= jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> = wrote:

This is useful work. It should progress.

Support.

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Thx

Jorge

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From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org>= ; on behalf of Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" <gjshep@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, September 20, 2019 at 11:22 PM
To: BIER WG <b= ier@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Bier] BIER WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-php

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We're long past Aug 1= 3th and not one response. PLEASE read and respond or we'll just let thi= s expire.

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Thanks,

Greg

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 1= 1:23 AM Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:

Please read and respond t= o this thread:

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EOTWT: Aug 13th.

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Thanks,

Shep

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[Bier] Comments on draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:01:15 -0000 --_000_DM5PR05MB3548B3EACAEFDDE553FD2F9ED4840DM5PR05MB3548namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chonggang, Thank you so much for your thorough review, suggestions and insightful ques= tions. I have posted the -03 revision that addresses all your comments. In particu= lar, I removed the section 4.1 approach so we only signal from the helper n= ode now. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-bier-tether-03 Jeffrey From: BIER On Behalf Of Chonggang Wang Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 1:52 PM To: BIER WG Subject: [Bier] Comments on draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02 Hi, We have reviewed draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02 and would like to provide the = following feedback: 1. Overall, it is short and nice draft. 2. General: Suggest adding a title for each figure and cite these figure= s properly 3. Editorial: "BIER-incapable" is used in the title while "BIER incapabl= e" in used in description. Suggest making them consistent. 4. Editorial: "Section 6.9" appears in multiple places. Suggest adding [= RFC8279] as its reference at each place for avoiding potential confusion. 5. Editorial in Section 1: suggest defining the term "tethering" 6. Editorial in Section 2: * replace the first "IGP" with "Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP)"? * replace the first "SPF" with "Shortest Path First (SPF)"? * replace "This need" with "This needs"? * replace "incapable routers" with "BIER-incapable routers"? * replace "rely on" with "relying on"? 7. Editorial in Section 3: * replace "is no different" with "is not different"? * replace the first "LFA" with "Loop-Free Alternate (LFA)"? * Editorial in Section 2-3: BFER1 and/or BFIR1 are used in all figures.= Should they all be changed to BFIR1? * Section 4.1 & 4.2: Two solutions are described in 4.1 and 4.2 respect= ively. Is it possible and if there is any implication of X uses the solutio= n in 4.1 and BFRx uses the solution in 4.2 at the same time? If both solut= ions are alternative and only one solution needs to be implemented in pract= ice, the question is whether this draft needs to describe which solution wi= ll be used under which condition. Thanks, CG --_000_DM5PR05MB3548B3EACAEFDDE553FD2F9ED4840DM5PR05MB3548namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Chonggang,

 

Thank you so much for your thorough review, suggesti= ons and insightful questions.

 

I have posted the -03 revision that addresses all yo= ur comments. In particular, I removed the section 4.1 approach so we only s= ignal from the helper node now.

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-bier-tether-03=

 

Jeffrey

 

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Chonggang Wang
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 1:52 PM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: [Bier] Comments on draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02

 

Hi,

 

We have reviewed draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02 and wou= ld like to provide the following feedback:

  1. Overall, it is short and nice draft.
  2. General: Suggest adding a title for each figure and c= ite these figures properly
  3. Editorial: "BIER-incap= able" is used in the title while "BIER incapable" in used in= description. Suggest making them consistent.
  4. Editoria= l: "Section 6.9" appears in multiple places. Suggest adding [RFC8= 279] as its reference at each place for avoiding potential confusion.<= /o:p>
  5. Editorial in Section 1: suggest defining the term "tet= hering"
  6. Editorial in Section 2:
    1. replace the first "IGP" with "Interior Gateway Protoco= l (IGP)"?
    2. replace the first "SPF" with = "Shortest Path First (SPF)"?
    3. replace "T= his need" with "This needs"?
    4. replace &q= uot;incapable routers" with "BIER-incapable routers"?
    5. replace "rely on" with "relying on"?
  7. Editorial in Section 3:
    1. replace "is no different" with "is not different"= ?
    2. replace the first "LFA" with "Loop-Fr= ee Alternate (LFA)"?
  • Editorial in Section 2-3: BFER1 and/or BFIR1 are used in all figures.= Should they all be changed to BFIR1?
  • Section 4.1 &= ; 4.2: Two solutions are described in 4.1 and 4.2 respectively. Is it possi= ble and if there is any implication of X uses the solution in 4.1 and BFRx = uses the solution in 4.2 at the same time?  If both solutions are alternative and only = one solution needs to be implemented in practice, the question is whether t= his draft needs to describe which solution will be used under which conditi= on.

 

Thanks,

CG

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeffrey, Thank you for addressing my comments. The v03 looks good to me. Best, CG From: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 1:01 PM To: Chonggang Wang ; BIER WG Subject: RE: Comments on draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02 Hi Chonggang, Thank you so much for your thorough review, suggestions and insightful ques= tions. I have posted the -03 revision that addresses all your comments. In particu= lar, I removed the section 4.1 approach so we only signal from the helper n= ode now. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-bier-tether-03 Jeffrey From: BIER > On Behalf = Of Chonggang Wang Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 1:52 PM To: BIER WG > Subject: [Bier] Comments on draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02 Hi, We have reviewed draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02 and would like to provide the = following feedback: 1. Overall, it is short and nice draft. 2. General: Suggest adding a title for each figure and cite these figure= s properly 3. Editorial: "BIER-incapable" is used in the title while "BIER incapabl= e" in used in description. Suggest making them consistent. 4. Editorial: "Section 6.9" appears in multiple places. Suggest adding [= RFC8279] as its reference at each place for avoiding potential confusion. 5. Editorial in Section 1: suggest defining the term "tethering" 6. Editorial in Section 2: * replace the first "IGP" with "Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP)"? * replace the first "SPF" with "Shortest Path First (SPF)"? * replace "This need" with "This needs"? * replace "incapable routers" with "BIER-incapable routers"? * replace "rely on" with "relying on"? 7. Editorial in Section 3: * replace "is no different" with "is not different"? * replace the first "LFA" with "Loop-Free Alternate (LFA)"? * Editorial in Section 2-3: BFER1 and/or BFIR1 are used in all figures.= Should they all be changed to BFIR1? * Section 4.1 & 4.2: Two solutions are described in 4.1 and 4.2 respect= ively. Is it possible and if there is any implication of X uses the solutio= n in 4.1 and BFRx uses the solution in 4.2 at the same time? If both solut= ions are alternative and only one solution needs to be implemented in pract= ice, the question is whether this draft needs to describe which solution wi= ll be used under which condition. Thanks, CG --_000_BN7PR10MB2690173949B74737F6CFB41DF8840BN7PR10MB2690namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jeffrey,

 

Thank you for addressing my comments. The v03 looks = good to me.

 

Best,

CG

 

From: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juni= per.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 1:01 PM
To: Chonggang Wang <Chonggang.Wang@InterDigital.com>; BIER WG = <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Comments on draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02

 

Hi Chonggang,

 

Thank you so much for your thorough review, suggesti= ons and insightful questions.

 

I have posted the -03 revision that addresses all yo= ur comments. In particular, I removed the section 4.1 approach so we only s= ignal from the helper node now.

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zzhang-bier-tether-03=

 

Jeffrey

 

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Chonggang Wang
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 1:52 PM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org&g= t;
Subject: [Bier] Comments on draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02

 

Hi,

 

We have reviewed draft-zzhang-bier-tether-02 and wou= ld like to provide the following feedback:

  1. Overall, it is short and nice draft.
  2. General: Suggest adding a title for each figure and c= ite these figures properly
  3. Editorial: "BIER-incap= able" is used in the title while "BIER incapable" in used in= description. Suggest making them consistent.
  4. Editoria= l: "Section 6.9" appears in multiple places. Suggest adding [RFC8= 279] as its reference at each place for avoiding potential confusion.<= /o:p>
  5. Editorial in Section 1: suggest defining the term "tet= hering"
  6. Editorial in Section 2:
    1. replace the first "IGP" with "Interior Gateway Protoco= l (IGP)"?
    2. replace the first "SPF" with = "Shortest Path First (SPF)"?
    3. replace "T= his need" with "This needs"?
    4. replace &q= uot;incapable routers" with "BIER-incapable routers"?
    5. replace "rely on" with "relying on"?
  7. Editorial in Section 3:
    1. replace "is no different" with "is not different"= ?
    2. replace the first "LFA" with "Loop-Fr= ee Alternate (LFA)"?
  • Editorial in Section 2-3: BFER1 and/or BFIR1 are used in all figures.= Should they all be changed to BFIR1?
  • Section 4.1 &= ; 4.2: Two solutions are described in 4.1 and 4.2 respectively. Is it possi= ble and if there is any implication of X uses the solution in 4.1 and BFRx = uses the solution in 4.2 at the same time?  If both solutions are alternative and only = one solution needs to be implemented in practice, the question is whether t= his draft needs to describe which solution will be used under which conditi= on.

 

Thanks,

CG

 

 

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There are however some issues that need to be addressed. I also think it would be good to get this reviewed in the pim WG, perhaps you can ask for reviews on the pim list. I mostly have editorial comments that are easy to address. But at a high level I think some more text about pim is needed. PIM relies on hello messages to know what capabilities a router has, e.g. whether it support Join attributes, whether it support BIDIR etc. I think you need to point out what capabilities are assumed to be present. Obviously it is assumed that Join attributes are supported. It may also be good to point out that there is no J/P suppression as the J/P is only sent to the target, and not to other routers. Also point out that only J/P messages are used, and that there is no assert processing. Below are the editorial comments. Please also check the "nits" tool. It complains about missing references, and it cannot find the "Authors' Addresses" section. The heading is missing. Also Section 7 must be updated. There is an IANA action, but it says there are none! The abstract is rather long. Suggest removing some of the text that explains the general operation of BIER. Some of the references might need some work. In section 2 it says "RFC 2119 [RFC2119]". Should it be just "[RFC2119]"? Also the reference is missing. In 2.1 it says "[I-D. rfc8279]" which also needs to be fixed. Most of the other references look fine. In 3.1 there seems to be a reference to 8279 without brackets though. In 2.1, BFR definition. Missing space after ".". BFIR definition: It says "insert the BM into the packet", but I think it might be better to say that it performs BIER encapsulation. The term BM is not defined. It says "plain" instead of "plane". BFER defintion: Do we have to say that BFER is a BFR? In that case, we should also say that BFIR is a BFR. It says "plain" instead of "plane". IBBR and EBBR, might it be good to include "signaling" in the name, like Ingress Signaling BIER Router and Egress Signaling BIER Router? I want it to be very clear that ingress and egress are not related to data. In "Figure 1" I think "bfir" and "bfer" should be upper case. In 3.1: "weather" should be "whether". "located on" should probably be "located in". In 3.1 there is this paragraph that I think need some changes. After discovering the EBBR and its BFR-ID (flooded via IGP BIER extension), the IBBR will construct a PIM Join Attribute encoded as It says that BFR-ID is flooded via IGP BIER extension. That isn't necessarily true, do we need to explain how the BFR-ID is discovered? TLVs into the Source Address field of the PIM Join Message as per Isn't it just one TLV? I think you can skip saying that it is a TLV in the source address field. Just say that it includes a new PIM Join Attribute in the Join/Prune message. Also note that we should really say Join/Prune, not just Join. [RFC5384] and include it in PIM signaling message. Two new "BIER I think it is better to be clear and say PIM Join/Prune message. IBBR" attributes are define and explained in upcoming section. The s/define/defined PIM Join Attribute is used on EBBR to obtain necessary bier s/bier/BIER information to build its multicast states. In addition the IBBR will change the PIM signaling packet source IP address to its BIER prefix address (standard PIM procedure). It will also keep the destination address as the well known multicast IP address. It then will construct the BIER header. The signaling packet, in this case the PIM join/prune packet, is encapsulated in the BIER header and transported through BIER domain to EBBR. The language at the end here makes it sound like the PIM J/P is being forwarded and that the J/P is being modified. But J/P messages are sent hop-by-hop. Each router originates a new J/P. For instance, a router may receive a J/P for multiple sources. These sources may have different RPF neighbors on the receiving router and hence be split into separate join messages. This could happen on the IBBR as well. The lasts paragraph in section 3 says: The IBBR will track all the PIM interfaces on the attached PIM domain which are interested in a certain (S,G). It creates multicast states for arriving (S,G)s from PIM domain, with incoming interface as BIER "tunnel" interface and outgoing interface as the PIM domain interface(s) on which PIM Join(s) were received on. The IBBR is a PIM router and what you are describing is standard PIM behavior, so I think this is a bit redundant. It might be goot to stress that OIFs are adding according to standard PIM behavior. The only special here is the RPF interface. Section 3.1.4: In heading Pim/PIM bier/BIER It says "PIM Join Attribute [RFC5384] is used." I think it might be good to say that "a new PIM Join Attribute is used". And then also this sentence "The PIM Join Attribute format is as follow:" should perhaps be The new PIM Join Attribute format is defined as follows:". s/Ipv4/IPv4 s/Ipv6/IPv6 In the format I think it might be good to not just show "BIER info", but show the formatting of prefix, SD and BFR-ID explicitly. Also, it should state clearly that these are the prefix, SD and BFR-id of the IBBR. In 3.1.4.1 why not say PIM Join/Prune packet instead of PIM signaling? In 3.3.: After receiving the BIER packet and determining this packet is a signaling packet, EBBR will remove the BIER header from PIM packet. The Received PIM join/prune Signaling packet is processed as if it were received from neighbors on a virtual interface, (i.e. as if the pim adjacency was presents, regardless of the fact there is no adjacency) Wouldn't the router remove the BIER header simply because the BFR-id in the BIER header matches its own BFR-id? There are some grammar issues and a missing period in this paragraph. In this paragraph: With same token the EBBR creates a multicast state with incoming interface as same interface that PIM join packet was forwarded and outgoing interfaces of BIER tunnel to BFER identified with BFIR-id and its corresponding Sub-Domain obtained from the BIER header or via PIM Join Attributes added to the PIM signaling packet by the IBBR. I'm not sure what "With same token" means here. Also, it not should say that PIM join packet was forwarded. I would say that state is created according to the PIM specification, and just describe the BIER OIF state. The specific OIF state may be implementation specific though. Perhaps this is sufficiently described in the paragraph that comes right after? It is also well described in 4.1. In section 5: s/LEAFs/leaves? Should it be EBBRs? In section 6: s/vrf/VRF "it is determine" should be "it is determined". Replace "PIM signaling message" with "PIM Join/Prune message"? Section 8: The 4601 reference should be to RFC 7761. Appendix A: The header seems to not be formatted correctly. "This section" should be "This appendix"? In A.1: "is consist" should be "consists". In Figure 2: s/bier/BIER Also in the text in A.2.2. 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Document is ready to progress . > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 21, 2019, at 14:00, Greg Shepherd wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > > The doc has been rev'd with the proposed changes. Let's restart a short > WGLC - week. Please read and respond to this thread by Oct 4, 2019 > > Thanks, > Greg > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 1:40 PM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < > hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com> wrote: > >> Inline >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Hooman >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Stig Venaas >>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 4:29 PM >>> To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) >>> Cc: Ijsbrand Wijnands ; bier-chairs@ietf.org; Jeffrey >>> (Zhaohui) Zhang ; Antoni Przygienda ; >>> Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) >>> Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Sorry for delay. >>> >>> HB> thanks for the comments! >>> >>> This looks good, except that in the diagram it says "Type =3D 6" >>> >>> HB> agreed thank you! >>> >>> but below it says TBD. It should say TBD in the diagram as well. >>> Just editorial, but I think it should say IPv4, IPv6, "PIM packet" and >>> maybe BFR-ID? >>> >>> HB> ok agreed, this is really base on the bier prefix so I will change >>> the text. >>> >>> Stig >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 8:15 AM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < >>> hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Stig >>> > >>> > Could you please confirm if you are ok with below or you have any >>> other input/comments... That way I can post a final version. >>> > >>> > Much appreciated! >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > >>> > Hooman >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) >>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 3:07 PM >>> > To: Stig Venaas ; Ijsbrand Wijnands >>> > Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang ; Antoni Przygienda >>> > ; Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) >>> > Subject: RE: [Bier] WG LC on >>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ >>> > >>> > Hi Stig et al >>> > >>> > Thanks for comments >>> > >>> > Just to close the loop I will add the following, please let me know i= f >>> you are good with it... >>> > >>> > >>> > 0 1 2 3 >>> > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 = 1 >>> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= -+ >>> > |F|E| Type=3Dtbd | Length | Addr Family | BIER info >>> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-.= .. >>> > >>> > F bit: The Transitive bit. Specifies whether this attribute is >>> > transitive or non-transitive. MUST be set to zero. This >>> > attribute is ALWAYS non-transitive. >>> > >>> > E bit: End-of-Attributes bit. Specifies whether this attribute = is >>> > the last. Set to zero if there are more attributes. Set to 1 = if >>> > this is the last attribute. >>> > >>> > Type: TBD assign by IANA >>> > >>> > Length: The length in octets of the attribute value. MUST be se= t >>> > to the length in octets of the BIER info +1 octet >>> > to account for the Address Family field. >>> > For Ipv4 AF Length =3D 7+1 >>> > For Ipv6 AF Length =3D 19+1 >>> > >>> > Addr Family: The PIM Address Family of the receiver Pim packet a= s >>> defined >>> > in [RFC7761]. >>> > >>> > BIER Info: IBBR Prefix, SD, bfr-id >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > >>> > Hooman >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Stig Venaas >>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:45 AM >>> > To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) >>> > Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang ; BIER WG >>> > ; Antoni Przygienda ; Mankamana >>> Mishra >>> > (mankamis) >>> > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on >>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ >>> > >>> > Hi >>> > >>> > I have a comment on the attribute text in the draft. >>> > >>> > It says: >>> > Attr_type=3DTBD (BIER IBBR info IPv4): lenght=3D6 ; value=3DIBBR P= refix >>> > (ipv4), SD, bfr-id >>> > >>> > Attr_type=3DTBD (BIER IBBR info IPv6): lenght=3D19 ; value=3DIBBR = Prefix >>> > (ipv6), SD, bfr-id >>> > >>> > Most importantly, for IPv4, the length should be 7! I also think >>> > though that it would be useful to have a diagram. Also if you look at >>> > other attributes defined >>> > https://www.iana.org/assignments/pim-parameters/pim-parameters.xhtml#= p >>> > im-parameters-2 you will see that the same option is used for both >>> > IPv4 and IPv6. I would suggest doing a diagram and using AF similar t= o >>> RFC 8059 section 5.1. >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > Stig >>> > >>> > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:53 AM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < >>> hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Jeffery/Stig/Eric >>> > > >>> > > Thanks again for your feedbacks... >>> > > >>> > > Bringing the working group into the loop >>> > > >>> > > RFC 5384 was proposed to be used to relay the IBBR info to EBBR >>> > > >>> > > Two new Attr types was proposed for identifying IBBR IPv4 and IPv6 >>> address family. >>> > > >>> > > 0 1 2 3 >>> > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 >>> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= + >>> > > | Addr Family | Encoding Type | Rsrvd |S|W|R| Mask Len = | >>> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= + >>> > > | Source Address >>> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+..... >>> > > |F|E| Attr_Type | Length | Value >>> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+..... >>> > > >>> > > Encoding type =3D 1 >>> > > F =3D 0 >>> > > Attr_type=3D 7 (New IANA BIER IBBR info IPv4) Vlaue =3D IBBR Prefix= , SD, >>> > > bfr-id Attr_type=3D 8 (New IANA BIER IBBR info IPv6) Vlaue =3D IBBR >>> > > Prefix, SD, bfr-id >>> > > >>> > > IBBR Prefix: this is IPv4 or IPv6 BFR-Prefix of the IBBR for the >>> > > specific subdomain as described in [RFC8279] >>> > > SD: This is a 8-bit field that encodes the Sub-Domain as described >>> in [RFC8279]. >>> > > BFR-ID: this is a 16-bit field which identifies the BFR uniquely >>> > > with in the subdomain as described in [RFC8279] >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Regards >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: BIER On Behalf Of Eric Rosen >>> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:32 AM >>> > > To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; >>> > > Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang >>> > > Cc: Stig Venaas ; BIER WG ; Antoni >>> > > Przygienda >>> > > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on >>> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/ >>> > > >>> > > On 11/18/2018 4:53 PM, Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) wrote: >>> > > > Jeffery/Stig >>> > > > >>> > > > Going back to the comments in the IETF for an optional TLV to >>> identify the IBBR in the PIM join. >>> > > > >>> > > > 1. Jeffrey forwarded RFC 5384, I am not sure how the TLVs in >>> this RFC will help to identify the IBBR in the PIM signaling packet? >>> > > >>> > > RFC 5384 is about how to add attributes to PIM Joins. I think the >>> suggestion is that a new Join attribute (identifying the IBBR) needs to= be >>> defined. >>> > > >>> > > > 2. Thinking more about this, If the implementation on EBBR >>> dictates that the PIM message needs to have an optional TLV that identi= fies >>> the IBBR, why can't the EBBR add that TLV to the PIM signaling packet >>> before it sends it to the PIM task. All the info are available in the B= IER >>> header and before the signaling packet is send to the PIM task on EBBR = the >>> EBBR can add this information as an optional TLV. I >>> > > >>> > > Stig is obviously concerned about an implementation in which (a) th= e >>> ability to pass information about the packet from hardware to software = is >>> limited, and (b) the ability to modify the packet before passing it to = the >>> control plane processor is minimal or non-existent. And if these abili= ties >>> exist, it might involve difficult-to-incorporate microcode changes. Th= ese >>> issues aren't that mysterious. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > BIER mailing list >>> > > BIER@ietf.org >>> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier >>> >> _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --000000000000af46bf05935040a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fully support

Thanks
Nabeel


On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:37 AM Mankamana Mishra (manka= mis) <mankamis@cisco.com> w= rote:
Support as co-author . Document is ready to progress .=C2=A0

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2019, at 14:00, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> = wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

The doc has been rev'd with the proposed changes. Let's re= start a short WGLC - week. Please read and respond to this thread by Oct 4,= 2019

Thanks,
Greg

=C2=A0On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 1:40 PM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Otta= wa) <hooma= n.bidgoli@nokia.com> wrote:
Inline

Regards

Hooman

-----Original Message-----
From: Stig Venaas <= stig@venaas.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 4:29 PM
To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>
Cc: Ijsbrand Wijnands <ice@cisco.com>; bier-chairs@ietf.= org; Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net>; Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/

Hi

Sorry for delay.

HB> thanks for the comments!

This looks good, except that in the diagram it says "Type =3D 6"<= br>
HB> agreed thank you!

but below it says TBD. It should say TBD in the diagram as well.
Just editorial, but I think it should say IPv4, IPv6, "PIM packet"= ; and maybe BFR-ID?

HB> ok agreed, this is really base on the bier prefix so I will change t= he text.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Stig

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 8:15 AM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@n= okia.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Stig
>
> Could you please confirm if you are ok with below or you have any othe= r input/comments... That way I can post a final version.
>
> Much appreciated!
>
> Regards
>
> Hooman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 3:07 PM
> To: Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>; Ijsbrand Wijnands <ice@cisco.com>
> Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; Antoni Przygienda
> <prz@juniper.n= et>; Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com>
> Subject: RE: [Bier] WG LC on
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/
>
> Hi Stig et al
>
> Thanks for comments
>
> Just to close the loop I will add the following, please let me know if= you are good with it...
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A03
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1= 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|F|E|=C2=A0 Type=3Dtbd=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = Length=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|=C2=A0 Addr Family=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 BIER info
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-...
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 F bit:=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Transitive bit.=C2=A0 Specifies wh= ether this attribute is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0transitive or non-transitive.=C2=A0 MUST be = set to zero.=C2=A0 This
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0attribute is ALWAYS non-transitive.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 E bit:=C2=A0 =C2=A0End-of-Attributes bit.=C2=A0 Specifies= whether this attribute is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the last.=C2=A0 Set to zero if there are mor= e attributes.=C2=A0 Set to 1 if
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this is the last attribute.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Type:=C2=A0 =C2=A0TBD assign by IANA
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Length:=C2=A0 =C2=A0The length in octets of the attribute= value.=C2=A0 MUST be set
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to the length in octets of the BIER info +1 = octet
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to account for the Address Family field.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For Ipv4 AF Length =3D 7+1
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For Ipv6 AF Length =3D 19+1
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Addr Family:=C2=A0 =C2=A0The PIM Address Family of the re= ceiver Pim packet as defined
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in [RFC7761].
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 BIER Info: IBBR Prefix, SD, bfr-id
>
> Regards
>
> Hooman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:45 AM
> To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>
> Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; BIER WG
> <bier@ietf.org>; Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net>; Mankamana Mishra
> (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/
>
> Hi
>
> I have a comment on the attribute text in the draft.
>
> It says:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Attr_type=3DTBD (BIER IBBR info IPv4): lenght=3D6 ; value= =3DIBBR Prefix
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (ipv4), SD, bfr-id
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Attr_type=3DTBD (BIER IBBR info IPv6): lenght=3D19 ; valu= e=3DIBBR Prefix
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (ipv6), SD, bfr-id
>
> Most importantly, for IPv4, the length should be 7! I also think
> though that it would be useful to have a diagram. Also if you look at =
> other attributes defined
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/pim-parameters/pim-parameters.xhtml#p<= br> > im-parameters-2 you will see that the same option is used for both > IPv4 and IPv6. I would suggest doing a diagram and using AF similar to= RFC 8059 section 5.1.
>
> Regards,
> Stig
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:53 AM Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <= ;hooman.bidgo= li@nokia.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jeffery/Stig/Eric
> >
> > Thanks again for your feedbacks...
> >
> > Bringing the working group into the loop
> >
> > RFC 5384 was proposed to be used to relay the IBBR info to EBBR > >
> > Two new Attr types was proposed for identifying IBBR IPv4 and IPv= 6 address family.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A03
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 = 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 | Addr Family=C2=A0 =C2=A0| Encoding Type | Rsrvd=C2= =A0 =C2=A0|S|W|R|=C2=A0 Mask Len=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0|
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0Source Address
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+.....
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 |F|E| Attr_Type | Length=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = | Value
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+.....
> >
> > Encoding type =3D 1
> > F =3D 0
> > Attr_type=3D 7 (New IANA BIER IBBR info IPv4) Vlaue =3D IBBR Pref= ix, SD,
> > bfr-id Attr_type=3D 8 (New IANA BIER IBBR info IPv6) Vlaue =3D IB= BR
> > Prefix, SD, bfr-id
> >
> > IBBR Prefix: this is IPv4 or IPv6 BFR-Prefix of the IBBR for the =
> > specific subdomain as described in [RFC8279]
> > SD: This is a 8-bit field that encodes the Sub-Domain as describe= d in [RFC8279].
> > BFR-ID: this is a 16-bit field which identifies the BFR uniquely =
> > with in the subdomain as described in [RFC8279]
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Eric Rosen
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:32 AM
> > To: Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <hooman.bidgoli@nokia.com>;
> > Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>
> > Cc: Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>; Antoni
> > Przygienda <prz@juniper.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Bier] WG LC on
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-pim-signaling/
> >
> > On 11/18/2018 4:53 PM, Bidgoli, Hooman (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) wrote:=
> > > Jeffery/Stig
> > >
> > > Going back to the comments in the IETF for an optional TLV t= o identify the IBBR in the PIM join.
> > >
> > > 1.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeffrey forwarded RFC 5384, I am not sure ho= w the TLVs in this RFC will help to identify the IBBR in the PIM signaling = packet?
> >
> > RFC 5384 is about how to add attributes to PIM Joins.=C2=A0 I thi= nk the suggestion is that a new Join attribute (identifying the IBBR) needs= to be defined.
> >
> > > 2.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thinking more about this, If the implementat= ion on EBBR dictates that the PIM message needs to have an optional TLV tha= t identifies the IBBR, why can't the EBBR add that TLV to the PIM signa= ling packet before it sends it to the PIM task. All the info are available in the BIER header and before the signaling packet is s= end to the PIM task on EBBR the EBBR can add this information as an optiona= l TLV. I
> >
> > Stig is obviously concerned about an implementation in which (a) = the ability to pass information about the packet from hardware to software = is limited, and (b) the ability to modify the packet before passing it to t= he control plane processor is minimal or non-existent.=C2=A0 And if these abilities exist, it might involve diff= icult-to-incorporate microcode changes.=C2=A0 These issues aren't that = mysterious.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BIER mailing list
> > BIER@ietf.org<= /a>
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier
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