From nobody Mon Apr 13 10:03:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BDD3A1B3F for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:03:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.871 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.871 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VcjUEN6iWCbp for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F4733A1B3E for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7FE548048; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:03:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id D4F72440041; Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:03:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:03:18 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" Cc: "gjshep@gmail.com" , BIER WG Message-ID: <20200413170318.GA35543@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <158516830800.31199.11452341577544756857@ietfa.amsl.com> <4c7465b189e04721812df223bbc8bc38@huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4c7465b189e04721812df223bbc8bc38@huawei.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:03:28 -0000 Btw: you may want to simply upload your slides to datatracker, just click on the interrim name in the interrim calendar and you're on the meetings material page. You need to be logged into some datatracker account and then you see a button to propose slides. The chairs can then simply accept (or not ;-) Cheers Toerless On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 03:10:51AM +0000, Xiejingrong (Jingrong) wrote: > Dear Greg, > > We???d like to have one slot for draft-ietf-bier-ipv6-requirements for a point to make -- Why L3-BIER is a solid requirement for Service-Provider. > > Thanks > Jingrong > > > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:42 PM > To: BIER WG > Subject: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > > *, > > We have time for more presos if anyone wants to be added to the agenda. Please email chairs with your request, title, presenter name and time request. > > Thanks, > Shep > (Chairs) > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: IESG Secretary > > Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:31 PM > Subject: [Bier] Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 > To: IETF-Announce > > Cc: > > > > The Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) Working Group will hold > a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-14 from 08:00 to 08:30 America/Los_Angeles (15:00 to 15:30 UTC). > > Agenda: > Agenda, Notewell - Chairs, 5mins > draft-ietf-bier-te-arch - Toerless Eckert, 10 min > draft-ietf-bier-mld-04 - Stig Venaas, 5 min > > Information about remote participation: > Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Mon Apr 13 15:16:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A8F3A1F4B for ; 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nkgeml706-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:00:03 +0800 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:00:03 +0800 From: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" To: Toerless Eckert CC: "gjshep@gmail.com" , BIER WG Thread-Topic: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 Thread-Index: AQHWA4VQaeo/BdKFzkaGHFBgXuL7jKhbwgIggBsbsgCAAQjuMA== Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 01:00:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <158516830800.31199.11452341577544756857@ietfa.amsl.com> <4c7465b189e04721812df223bbc8bc38@huawei.com> <20200413170318.GA35543@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> In-Reply-To: <20200413170318.GA35543@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.202.118] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 01:00:09 -0000 Hi Toerless, Thank you for the reminder. I won't do that to impose for a presentation. Dear the BIER chairs, What's your opinion ? Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ? Please do g= ive a response either way.=20 Thanks, Jingrong -----Original Message----- From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:03 AM To: Xiejingrong (Jingrong) Cc: gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2020-04-14 Btw: you may want to simply upload your slides to datatracker, just click o= n the interrim name in the interrim calendar and you're on the meetings mat= erial page. You need to be logged into some datatracker account and then yo= u see a button to propose slides. The chairs can then simply accept (or not ;-) Cheers Toerless On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 03:10:51AM +0000, Xiejingrong (Jingrong) wrote: > Dear Greg, >=20 > We???d like to have one slot for draft-ietf-bier-ipv6-requirements for a = point to make -- Why L3-BIER is a solid requirement for Service-Provider. >=20 > Thanks > Jingrong >=20 >=20 > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:42 PM > To: BIER WG > Subject: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG=20 > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 >=20 >=20 > *, >=20 > We have time for more presos if anyone wants to be added to the agenda. P= lease email chairs with your request, title, presenter name and time reques= t. >=20 > Thanks, > Shep > (Chairs) > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: IESG Secretary=20 > > > Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:31 PM > Subject: [Bier] Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual=20 > Meeting: 2020-04-14 > To: IETF-Announce=20 > > > Cc: > >=20 >=20 > The Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) Working Group will hold a=20 > virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-14 from 08:00 to 08:30 America/Los_Ang= eles (15:00 to 15:30 UTC). >=20 > Agenda: > Agenda, Notewell - Chairs, 5mins > draft-ietf-bier-te-arch - Toerless Eckert, 10 min > draft-ietf-bier-mld-04 - Stig Venaas, 5 min >=20 > Information about remote participation: > Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of=20 > approval >=20 > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Tue Apr 14 05:05:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3403A0D34 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 05:05:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ulztL1uZE9U6 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 05:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D2753A0D31 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 05:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id A046794F778CE47E3620; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:05:45 +0100 (IST) Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) by lhreml701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.50) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:05:44 +0100 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 20:05:42 +0800 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 20:05:42 +0800 From: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" To: BIER WG CC: "gjshep@gmail.com" , Toerless Eckert Thread-Topic: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 Thread-Index: AQHWA4VQaeo/BdKFzkaGHFBgXuL7jKhbwgIggBsbsgCAAQjuMIAAumfQ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:05:42 +0000 Message-ID: References: <158516830800.31199.11452341577544756857@ietfa.amsl.com> <4c7465b189e04721812df223bbc8bc38@huawei.com> <20200413170318.GA35543@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.202.118] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:05:50 -0000 Repost -=20 Dear Greg: What's your opinion ? Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ?=20 Please do give a response either way. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiejingrong (Jingron= g) Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:00 AM To: Toerless Eckert Cc: gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2020-04-14 Hi Toerless, Thank you for the reminder. I won't do that to impose for a presentation. Dear the BIER chairs, What's your opinion ? Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ? Please do g= ive a response either way.=20 Thanks, Jingrong -----Original Message----- From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:03 AM To: Xiejingrong (Jingrong) Cc: gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2020-04-14 Btw: you may want to simply upload your slides to datatracker, just click o= n the interrim name in the interrim calendar and you're on the meetings mat= erial page. You need to be logged into some datatracker account and then yo= u see a button to propose slides. The chairs can then simply accept (or not ;-) Cheers Toerless On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 03:10:51AM +0000, Xiejingrong (Jingrong) wrote: > Dear Greg, >=20 > We???d like to have one slot for draft-ietf-bier-ipv6-requirements for a = point to make -- Why L3-BIER is a solid requirement for Service-Provider. >=20 > Thanks > Jingrong >=20 >=20 > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:42 PM > To: BIER WG > Subject: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG=20 > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 >=20 >=20 > *, >=20 > We have time for more presos if anyone wants to be added to the agenda. P= lease email chairs with your request, title, presenter name and time reques= t. >=20 > Thanks, > Shep > (Chairs) > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: IESG Secretary > > > Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:31 PM > Subject: [Bier] Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual > Meeting: 2020-04-14 > To: IETF-Announce > > > Cc: > >=20 >=20 > The Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) Working Group will hold a=20 > virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-14 from 08:00 to 08:30 America/Los_Ang= eles (15:00 to 15:30 UTC). >=20 > Agenda: > Agenda, Notewell - Chairs, 5mins > draft-ietf-bier-te-arch - Toerless Eckert, 10 min > draft-ietf-bier-mld-04 - Stig Venaas, 5 min >=20 > Information about remote participation: > Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of=20 > approval >=20 > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier -- --- tte@cs.fau.de _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier From nobody Tue Apr 14 06:02:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EB43A0DF8 for ; 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I suggest the text enclosed below be incorporated into the BEIR TE draft, perhaps at the end of section 2 or a new section 3. Please excuse any typos, and I'm sure it will need some tweaking to best align with BIER terminology. Lou PS I'm triple booked during today's interim, but still hope to be there. --------------------------------------------------- 2.5. Traffic Engineering Considerations Traffic Engineering [RFC3272-Bis] provides performance optimization of operational IP networks while utilizing network resources economically and reliably.  The key elements needed to effect TE are policy, path steering and resource management. These elements require support at the control/controller level and within the forwarding plane. Policy decisions are made within the BIER-TE control plane, i.e., within BIER-TE Controllers.  Controllers use policy when composing BitStrings (BFR flow state) and BFR BIFT state. The mapping of user/IP traffic to specific BitStrings/BEIR-TE flows is made based on policy. The specifics details of BIER-TE policies and how a controller uses such are out of scope of this document. Path steering is supported  via the definition of a BitString. BitStrings used in BIER-TE are composed based on policy and resource management considerations.  When composing BIER-TE BitStrings, a Controller MUST take into account the resources available at each BFR and for each BP.  Resource availability is typically provided dynamically via routing protocol information, but may also be obtained via the BIER-TE control protocol.  The resource usage of an individual BP can be tracked on a Controller based on its local accounting and via routing or the BIER-TE control protocol. This implies that such information be collected by each BFR. Resource management also has implications on the BFR forwarding plane.  BIER-TE supporting BFRs  MAY support per BIFT entry resources and resource allocation. Example resources include buffers, policing and rate-shaping mechanisms which are typically supported via queuing.  This level of resource control, while optional, is important in networks that wish to support congestion management policies to control or regulate the offered traffic to deliver different levels of service and alleviate congestion problems, or those networks that wish to control latencies experienced by specific traffic flows. 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We only have two other presos so yours will be third. Cheers, Greg (Chairs) On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:05 AM Xiejingrong (Jingrong) < xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote: > Repost - > Dear Greg: > What's your opinion ? > Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ? > Please do give a response either way. > > Thank you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiejingrong > (Jingrong) > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:00 AM > To: Toerless Eckert > Cc: gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG > Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > Hi Toerless, > Thank you for the reminder. I won't do that to impose for a presentation. > > Dear the BIER chairs, > What's your opinion ? Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ? Please do > give a response either way. > > Thanks, > Jingrong > > -----Original Message----- > From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de] > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:03 AM > To: Xiejingrong (Jingrong) > Cc: gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG > Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > Btw: you may want to simply upload your slides to datatracker, just click > on the interrim name in the interrim calendar and you're on the meetings > material page. You need to be logged into some datatracker account and then > you see a button to propose slides. > The chairs can then simply accept (or not ;-) > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 03:10:51AM +0000, Xiejingrong (Jingrong) wrote: > > Dear Greg, > > > > We???d like to have one slot for draft-ietf-bier-ipv6-requirements for a > point to make -- Why L3-BIER is a solid requirement for Service-Provider. > > > > Thanks > > Jingrong > > > > > > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd > > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:42 PM > > To: BIER WG > > Subject: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG > > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > > > > > *, > > > > We have time for more presos if anyone wants to be added to the agenda. > Please email chairs with your request, title, presenter name and time > request. > > > > Thanks, > > Shep > > (Chairs) > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: IESG Secretary > > > > > Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:31 PM > > Subject: [Bier] Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual > > Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > To: IETF-Announce > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > The Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) Working Group will hold a > > virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-14 from 08:00 to 08:30 > America/Los_Angeles (15:00 to 15:30 UTC). > > > > Agenda: > > Agenda, Notewell - Chairs, 5mins > > draft-ietf-bier-te-arch - Toerless Eckert, 10 min > > draft-ietf-bier-mld-04 - Stig Venaas, 5 min > > > > Information about remote participation: > > Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of > > approval > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BIER mailing list > > BIER@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > > _______________________________________________ > > BIER mailing list > > BIER@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --000000000000856a7a05a33fe37b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, the requirements doc is a valid topic. We only have t= wo other presos so yours will be third.

Cheers,
Greg
(Chairs)

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:05 AM Xiejingrong = (Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei= .com> wrote:
Repost -
Dear Greg:
What's your opinion ?
Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ?
Please do give a response either way.

Thank you.


-----Original Message-----
From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Toerless Eckert <= tte@cs.fau.de>
Cc: gjshep@gmail.com<= /a>; BIER WG <bier@ie= tf.org>
Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2020-04-14

Hi Toerless,
Thank you for the reminder. I won't do that to impose for a presentatio= n.

Dear the BIER chairs,
What's your opinion ? Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ? Ple= ase do give a response either way.

Thanks,
Jingrong

-----Original Message-----
From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:03 AM
To: Xiejingrong (Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei.com>
Cc: gjshep@gmail.com<= /a>; BIER WG <bier@ie= tf.org>
Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2020-04-14

Btw: you may want to simply upload your slides to datatracker, just click o= n the interrim name in the interrim calendar and you're on the meetings= material page. You need to be logged into some datatracker account and the= n you see a button to propose slides.
The chairs can then simply accept (or not ;-)

Cheers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Toerless

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 03:10:51AM +0000, Xiejingrong (Jingrong) wrote:
> Dear Greg,
>
> We???d like to have one slot for draft-ietf-bier-ipv6-requirements for= a point to make -- Why L3-BIER is a solid requirement for Service-Provider= .
>
> Thanks
> Jingrong
>
>
> From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:42 PM
> To: BIER WG <bie= r@ietf.org>
> Subject: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG
> Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14
>
>
> *,
>
> We have time for more presos if anyone wants to be added to the agenda= . Please email chairs with your request, title, presenter name and time req= uest.
>
> Thanks,
> Shep
> (Chairs)
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> <iesg-= secretary@ietf.org<mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org>>
> Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:31 PM
> Subject: [Bier] Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual
> Meeting: 2020-04-14
> To: IETF-Announce
> <ietf-a= nnounce@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org>>
> Cc: <bier@ietf.o= rg<mailto:bier@ie= tf.org>>
>
>
> The Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) Working Group will hold a =
> virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-14 from 08:00 to 08:30 America/Los_= Angeles (15:00 to 15:30 UTC).
>
> Agenda:
> Agenda, Notewell - Chairs, 5mins
> draft-ietf-bier-te-arch - Toerless Eckert, 10 min
> draft-ietf-bier-mld-04 - Stig Venaas, 5 min
>
> Information about remote participation:
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Looks a bit overloaded.. Still trying to start the meeting. Give it a few.

Greg
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meeting started. I'm in. if you can't get in send = me note well and all and I'll start ...

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:0= 3 AM Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com= > wrote:
=
Looks a bit overloaded.. Still trying to start the meeting= . Give it a few.

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Looks a bit overloaded.. Still trying to start the meeting. Give it a few= .

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boundary="000000000000b9e2c605a354acc6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:55:57 -0000 --000000000000b9e2c605a354acc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The ask was to read the draft before we discuss. I'll put the slides up on the interim meeting request once it's scheduled. Greg On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 6:00 AM Xiejingrong (Jingrong) < xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Thank you for your confirmation on this topic. > > Could you please upload the slides I sent to you (and tony) to the Interim > meeting material ? > > Someone said on the meeting want to read it if I understand correctly. > > > > Thanks and best wishes, > > Jingrong > > > > *From:* Greg Shepherd [mailto:gjshep@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:08 PM > *To:* Xiejingrong (Jingrong) > *Cc:* BIER WG ; Toerless Eckert > *Subject:* Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > > > Yes, the requirements doc is a valid topic. We only have two other presos > so yours will be third. > > > > Cheers, > > Greg > > (Chairs) > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:05 AM Xiejingrong (Jingrong) < > xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote: > > Repost - > Dear Greg: > What's your opinion ? > Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ? > Please do give a response either way. > > Thank you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiejingrong > (Jingrong) > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:00 AM > To: Toerless Eckert > Cc: gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG > Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > Hi Toerless, > Thank you for the reminder. I won't do that to impose for a presentation. > > Dear the BIER chairs, > What's your opinion ? Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ? Please do > give a response either way. > > Thanks, > Jingrong > > -----Original Message----- > From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de] > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:03 AM > To: Xiejingrong (Jingrong) > Cc: gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG > Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > Btw: you may want to simply upload your slides to datatracker, just click > on the interrim name in the interrim calendar and you're on the meetings > material page. You need to be logged into some datatracker account and then > you see a button to propose slides. > The chairs can then simply accept (or not ;-) > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 03:10:51AM +0000, Xiejingrong (Jingrong) wrote: > > Dear Greg, > > > > We???d like to have one slot for draft-ietf-bier-ipv6-requirements for a > point to make -- Why L3-BIER is a solid requirement for Service-Provider. > > > > Thanks > > Jingrong > > > > > > From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd > > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:42 PM > > To: BIER WG > > Subject: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG > > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > > > > > *, > > > > We have time for more presos if anyone wants to be added to the agenda. > Please email chairs with your request, title, presenter name and time > request. > > > > Thanks, > > Shep > > (Chairs) > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: IESG Secretary > > > > > Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:31 PM > > Subject: [Bier] Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual > > Meeting: 2020-04-14 > > To: IETF-Announce > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > The Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) Working Group will hold a > > virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-14 from 08:00 to 08:30 > America/Los_Angeles (15:00 to 15:30 UTC). > > > > Agenda: > > Agenda, Notewell - Chairs, 5mins > > draft-ietf-bier-te-arch - Toerless Eckert, 10 min > > draft-ietf-bier-mld-04 - Stig Venaas, 5 min > > > > Information about remote participation: > > Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of > > approval > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BIER mailing list > > BIER@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > > _______________________________________________ > > BIER mailing list > > BIER@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > --000000000000b9e2c605a354acc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The ask was to read the draft before we discuss. I'll = put the slides up on the interim meeting request once it's scheduled.
Greg

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 6:00 AM Xiejingrong (= Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei.= com> wrote:

Hi Greg,

Thank you for your confirma= tion on this topic.

Could you please upload the= slides I sent to you (and tony) to the Interim meeting material ?

Someone said on the meeting= want to read it if I understand correctly.

=C2=A0=

Thanks and best wishes,<= /u>

Jingrong

=C2=A0=

From: Greg Shepherd [mailto:gjshep@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:08 PM
To: Xiejingrong (Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei.com>
Cc: BIER WG <b= ier@ietf.org>; Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG = Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14

=C2=A0

Yes, the requirements doc is a = valid topic. We only have two other presos so yours will be third.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Greg

(Chairs)

=C2=A0

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:05 AM= Xiejingrong (Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei.com> wrote:

Repost -
Dear Greg:
What's your opinion ?
Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ?
Please do give a response either way.

Thank you.


-----Original Message-----
From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Toerless Eckert <= tte@cs.fau.de>
Cc: gjshep@gmail.com<= /a>; BIER WG <bier@ie= tf.org>
Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2020-04-14

Hi Toerless,
Thank you for the reminder. I won't do that to impose for a presentatio= n.

Dear the BIER chairs,
What's your opinion ? Isn't BIERv6 requirements a valid topic ? Ple= ase do give a response either way.

Thanks,
Jingrong

-----Original Message-----
From: Toerless Eckert [mailto:tte@cs.fau.de]
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:03 AM
To: Xiejingrong (Jingrong) <xiejingrong@huawei.com>
Cc: gjshep@gmail.com<= /a>; BIER WG <bier@ie= tf.org>
Subject: Re: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2020-04-14

Btw: you may want to simply upload your slides to datatracker, just click o= n the interrim name in the interrim calendar and you're on the meetings= material page. You need to be logged into some datatracker account and the= n you see a button to propose slides.
The chairs can then simply accept (or not ;-)

Cheers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Toerless

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 03:10:51AM +0000, Xiejingrong (Jingrong) wrote:
> Dear Greg,
>
> We???d like to have one slot for draft-ietf-bier-ipv6-requirements for= a point to make -- Why L3-BIER is a solid requirement for Service-Provider= .
>
> Thanks
> Jingrong
>
>
> From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:42 PM
> To: BIER WG <bie= r@ietf.org>
> Subject: [Bier] Fwd: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG
> Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-14
>
>
> *,
>
> We have time for more presos if anyone wants to be added to the agenda= . Please email chairs with your request, title, presenter name and time req= uest.
>
> Thanks,
> Shep
> (Chairs)
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: IESG Secretary
> <iesg-= secretary@ietf.org<mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org>>
> Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 1:31 PM
> Subject: [Bier] Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) WG Virtual
> Meeting: 2020-04-14
> To: IETF-Announce
> <ietf-a= nnounce@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org>>
> Cc: <bier@ietf.o= rg<mailto:bier@ie= tf.org>>
>
>
> The Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (bier) Working Group will hold a =
> virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-14 from 08:00 to 08:30 America/Los_= Angeles (15:00 to 15:30 UTC).
>
> Agenda:
> Agenda, Notewell - Chairs, 5mins
> draft-ietf-bier-te-arch - Toerless Eckert, 10 min
> draft-ietf-bier-mld-04 - Stig Venaas, 5 min
>
> Information about remote participation:
> Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of
> approval
>
> _______________________________________________
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The draft was adopted around 2015 but did not elicit any comments or significant technical changes for the 5 years following or during the WGLC (which was bundled with 2 other drafts on top). Only activity were some private discussions among the authors as to the content of the authors list. A shepherd was assigned quite a while ago, no write-down was provided and no activity was seen. Given that the response to authors as to their participation and call for two volunteers to act as editors met with, ehem, underwhelming response, it looks like we may be flogging a dead horse forward here towards publication. Hence, I would suggest that we call a WG LC consensus again to gauge the interest on this draft. We will need multiple people across multiple organizations explaining support with more than just "+1" mail and obviously having read the draft and ideally commenting why they think this draft is WGLC ready & should be published. On top I suggest that we need the shepherd to read/comment on the draft. If we get that together then the document should be forwarded towards IESG (with diminished authors' list per latest feedbacks given) or otherwise we move it to "Dead WG Document" status and we may warm it up in the future should the interest perk up. Opinions? Otherwise the according calls will go to the list in next couple days ... thanks --- tony --000000000000ad678605a3562aca Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear BIER WG participants, situation of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements/= is unsatisfactory at this point in time.

The draft was adopted around 2015 but did not elicit any comments or=20 significant technical changes for the 5 years following or during the=20 WGLC (which was bundled with 2 other drafts on top). Only activity were som= e private discussions among the authors as to the content of the authors li= st. A shepherd was assigned quite a while ago, no write-down was provided a= nd no activity was seen. Given that the response to authors as to their participation and call for two volunteers to act as editors met with, ehem, underwhelming response, it lo= oks like we may be flogging a dead horse forward here towards publication.

Hence, I would suggest that we call a WG LC consensus again to gauge the interest= on this draft. We will need multiple people across multiple organizations= =20 explaining support with more than just "+1" mail and obviously ha= ving read=20 the draft and ideally commenting why they think this draft is WGLC ready & should be published. On top I suggest that we need the shepherd=20 to read/comment on the draft. If we get that together then the document=20 should be forwarded towards IESG (with diminished authors' list per=20 latest feedbacks given) or otherwise we move it to "Dead WG Document&q= uot;=20 status and we may warm it up in the future should the interest perk up.

Opinions? Otherwise the according calls will go = to the list in next couple days ...

thanks

--- tony
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.127.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <158705402719.14393.7642704822643137611@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 09:20:27 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-evpn-03.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:20:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : EVPN BUM Using BIER Authors : Zhaohui Zhang Antoni Przygienda Ali Sajassi Jorge Rabadan Filename : draft-ietf-bier-evpn-03.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2020-04-16 Abstract: This document specifies protocols and procedures for forwarding broadcast, unknown unicast and multicast (BUM) traffic of Ethernet VPNs (EVPN) using Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-evpn/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-evpn-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-evpn-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-evpn-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Apr 16 12:17:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575343A0ECF for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:17:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bYM1ROk6xU1R for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x130.google.com (mail-lf1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B3FD3A0ECE for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x130.google.com with SMTP id x23so6488533lfq.1 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:17:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2bIEPQUbR41RN2xJoOoMgzQlhxROn+uxFRleBcsrQSM=; b=fIzFXt5AdQAW4rj313AO2kTVyfANtiUq1ZdoyDmisEvzJnyPm7TnUTac4ItlahgzVM st44aQafs+0nCLj5ZI7RVCzahIsdu8MDEMZWb1xd/gVxTk7h1V5cWNsuMAFfNmtHPSb0 3wpdNkpc0aI80SRA6XSjlhiTTVPNF91WnUPhSh/AVpMQ9O9/QXJQ6avx70EdfWtvSdlp 6FLs1X39QBbSAtYz7F7DlJma6HBhgoH/zl8sisxhizNgkh+o6OxehIvc9bDDNIt4jm5T ez+awwTxggtcSDRLpSlnNiOcN/bJRHSnkeNpVLVWNxhqqgeJr0+s0syguKjjXaCgik1g qIvA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2bIEPQUbR41RN2xJoOoMgzQlhxROn+uxFRleBcsrQSM=; b=JCJpfuaV/70nPvFNm00y9aqwG4M5DfNtA6BcQYEFjiGahJ5pCnhUyaDziwyiz5KFZ8 J33jM60xumIrTd6Kv5ULvV+7SKLf5VPeVYDFAS/jSBWmZAVCkiX9tJvfDXHXcsgMxmSQ numNUEwS9ybZqLNtPao0uDg1cDSxYapP4PEE1D7rYawK2IsXZatBeiBgTcwYbH3eygRs 52FMB0Z1rQpfUKob8pFgYwUFAIBiyF460rDJeEAA43psNnBGVNYyp/rItxxsLwEibq8L SuUWEJg7ju7LxYH6HciLWQ0TZ1xtK9RKqdiYVssRilvVCaK6R1VeXjJSAEjva2KzWToQ pmZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZXg/oiraVzmALOjOLg6Eh5/AC71qGz36+0rXdpmwt6cDLJ1RQP WtVdsbw2L7UxnG5IHWCrkNQY1YAcT1CudHSKZ9s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJ/yJX4tvLMEGR5qKJ11VHdC2lqvHthdJ50gX5ctgwqOaa3Ia4BpYBTOz4YDZjFIPVQ+L5G8YbZrQ+0BbwWAqo= X-Received: by 2002:a19:c895:: with SMTP id y143mr6482758lff.123.1587064647932; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:17:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Greg Mirsky Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:17:17 -0700 Message-ID: To: Tony Przygienda Cc: BIER WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000093601f05a36d4891" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] status of draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:17:33 -0000 --00000000000093601f05a36d4891 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Tony, Greg, et al., thank you for the most detailed explanation of the state of this document and where it can go from here. I believe that the document is an important part of the overall work on the OAM toolset in BIER. As that work is not yet complete the publication of the draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements would help those interested in further developing BIER OAM. On the other hand, to the best of my understanding and please correct me if I'm wrong here, the headstone saying "Dead WG Document" would not remove it from the list of documents on BIER WG page and it can be easily accessed by anyone interested to read. Also, would marking it as "Dead WG Document" affect the progress of solution-proposing drafts that use draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements as an informational reference? If there will be no negative impact, then I'd conclude with "it would be nice to publish but the other way is okay too". I hope I didn't confuse you all. Regards, Greg On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:42 AM Tony Przygienda wrote: > Dear BIER WG participants, situation of > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements/ is > unsatisfactory at this point in time. > > The draft was adopted around 2015 but did not elicit any comments or > significant technical changes for the 5 years following or during the WGLC > (which was bundled with 2 other drafts on top). Only activity were some > private discussions among the authors as to the content of the authors > list. A shepherd was assigned quite a while ago, no write-down was provided > and no activity was seen. Given that the response to authors as to their > participation and call for two volunteers to act as editors met with, ehem, > underwhelming response, it looks like we may be flogging a dead horse > forward here towards publication. > > Hence, I would suggest that we call a WG LC consensus again to gauge the > interest on this draft. We will need multiple people across multiple > organizations explaining support with more than just "+1" mail and > obviously having read the draft and ideally commenting why they think this > draft is WGLC ready & should be published. On top I suggest that we need > the shepherd to read/comment on the draft. If we get that together then the > document should be forwarded towards IESG (with diminished authors' list > per latest feedbacks given) or otherwise we move it to "Dead WG Document" > status and we may warm it up in the future should the interest perk up. > > Opinions? Otherwise the according calls will go to the list in next couple > days ... > > thanks > > --- tony > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --00000000000093601f05a36d4891 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tony, Greg, et al.,
thank you for the most detailed= explanation of the state of this document and where it can go from here. I= believe that the document is an important part of the overall work on the = OAM toolset in BIER. As that work is not yet complete the publication of th= e draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements would help those interested in further d= eveloping BIER OAM. On the other hand, to the best of my understanding and = please correct me if I'm wrong here, the headstone saying "Dead WG= Document" would not remove it from the list of documents on BIER WG p= age and it can be easily accessed by anyone interested to read. Also, would= marking it as "Dead WG Document" affect the progress of solution= -proposing drafts that use draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements as an informati= onal reference? If there will be no negative impact, then I'd conclude = with "it would be nice to publish but the other way is okay too".= I hope I didn't confuse you all.

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:42 AM Tony Przygienda <tonysietf@gmail.com> wrote:
D= ear BIER WG participants, situation of https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements/ is unsatisfactory = at this point in time.

The draft was adopted = around 2015 but did not elicit any comments or=20 significant technical changes for the 5 years following or during the=20 WGLC (which was bundled with 2 other drafts on top). Only activity were som= e private discussions among the authors as to the content of the authors li= st. A shepherd was assigned quite a while ago, no write-down was provided a= nd no activity was seen. Given that the response to authors as to their participation and call for two volunteers to act as editors met with, ehem, underwhelming response, it lo= oks like we may be flogging a dead horse forward here towards publication.

Hence, I would suggest that we call a WG LC consensus again to gauge the interest= on this draft. We will need multiple people across multiple organizations= =20 explaining support with more than just "+1" mail and obviously ha= ving read=20 the draft and ideally commenting why they think this draft is WGLC ready & should be published. On top I suggest that we need the shepherd=20 to read/comment on the draft. If we get that together then the document=20 should be forwarded towards IESG (with diminished authors' list per=20 latest feedbacks given) or otherwise we move it to "Dead WG Document&q= uot;=20 status and we may warm it up in the future should the interest perk up.

Opinions? Otherwise the according calls will go = to the list in next couple days ...

thanks

--- tony
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Answering only the parts about the document states. =C2=A0The decision about the document itself is up to the WG. ... See rfc6174: Definition of IETF Working Group Document States > On the other hand, to the best of my understanding and please correct me = if > I'm wrong here, the headstone saying "Dead WG Document" would not remove = it > from the list of documents on BIER WG page and it can be easily accessed = by > anyone interested to read. >From =C2=A74.2.6: =C2=A0 =C2=A0A "Dead WG Document" is an I-D that has been abandoned. =C2=A0= Note that =C2=A0 =C2=A0'Dead' is not always a final state for a WG I-D. =C2=A0If cons= ensus is =C2=A0 =C2=A0subsequently achieved, a "Dead WG Document" may be resurrected= . =C2=A0A =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Dead WG Document" that is not resurrected will eventually exp= ire. Given that all drafts are now archived regardless of the state, it will still be available. =C2=A0I believe that a document will show up in the datatracker while not expired. > Also, would marking it as "Dead WG Document" affect the progress of > solution-proposing drafts that use draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements as an > informational reference? Having a draft (any draft) as an Informative reference shouldn't be a showstopper for publication. However, if the reference is used to justify the need for a specific solution or to point at specific requirements, then someone could question the "abandoned" nature of the work, and whether the document reflects the consensus of the WG. > If there will be no negative impact, then I'd conclude with "it would be = nice > to publish but the other way is okay too". I hope I didn't confuse you al= l. Not publishing a support document like this one is in line with the IESG statement about Support Documents in IETF Working Groups [1]. =C2=A0As the responsible AD, not publishing is perfectly fine with me. Following Tony's suggestion of WGLCing the document... =C2=A0If the WG wants to be able to reference this draft in the future, the WGLC should explicitly consider that question (along with the others Tony mentioned). =C2=A0The current version doesn't have to be the final version of the document and the WG is able (if there's interest) to keep working on it -- just like any other document. If the WG decides to keep the draft as reference material, a more appropriate status may be "Adopted for WG Info Only" or simply "WG Document". =C2=A0From rfc6174: =3D=3D=3D 4.2.3. =C2=A0Adopted for WG Info Only =C2=A0 =C2=A0The "Adopted for WG Info Only" state describes a document that =C2=A0 =C2=A0contains useful information for the WG that adopted it, but th= e =C2=A0 =C2=A0document is not intended to be published as an RFC. =C2=A0The = WG will not =C2=A0 =C2=A0actively develop the contents of the I-D or progress it for =C2=A0 =C2=A0publication as an RFC. =C2=A0The only purpose of the I-D is to= provide =C2=A0 =C2=A0information for internal use by the WG. 4.2.4. =C2=A0WG Document =C2=A0 =C2=A0The "WG Document" state describes an I-D that has been adopted= by an =C2=A0 =C2=A0IETF WG and is being actively developed. =3D=3D=3D Alvaro. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chairs Hope everyone is doing well! On the last face to face IETF meeting we had good support for adaptation of= this draft on the WG. Any chance we can make an adaptation call please? Or is it already adopted? Regards Hooman --_000_DM6PR08MB3978CD3CFA3E1C025F85FE9E91AC0DM6PR08MB3978namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Chairs

 

Hope everyone is doing well!

 

On the last face to face IETF m= eeting we had good support for adaptation of this draft on the WG.

 

Any chance we can make an adapt= ation call please? Or is it already adopted?

 

Regards

 

Hooman

 

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