From nobody Fri May 1 09:44:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516C33A1755 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 09:43:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FF2sc-ILbDHr for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 09:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-il1-x12b.google.com (mail-il1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACDBD3A1732 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id c16so4961200ilr.3 for ; Fri, 01 May 2020 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=g9ndupIzo5dWsZkW3s/BgdKeEatCflCUCnK9PkDF9EM=; b=p5EOdts5Yeifp5jiGw0N3Ic4xhosDT9LiRf40qlrgSbNBcV5E7mh07Qnap4W+0Ghm4 7T1GHbkDgkvQeClPaNC7O1DY+Non4DbrjNeoMXhGYoUGRZBHEgWjq0nSZZ365AYpYMHF ZTF9vP0s1O2eVU8cYgnNRvPlyoTJ89dlLRtJbJ8NiY4NHhmafWcAQG4yLAyd6dKsZdMS JcxBRpRymmObEhtYleE0WsKspUsE72Jn5dTUBDWGkflHc96N0vM7lBNJRz5FArjdqnAL 8UojGl7AhH1jiSnsXwADRrrr3Pus8XhdvOxO/i1tX7mNRQ6Th8VP9DyKtUJzc8D+kxVc ILSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=g9ndupIzo5dWsZkW3s/BgdKeEatCflCUCnK9PkDF9EM=; b=mYrN+BnlqhAPmfKqte9fgENRUL8t1uiLm1CGTNJua7bFHdREKssz1AIbW8Z2GOQM/A qT2ZzxWA1hFR5eyUfElWc01y87+pc2YlhOJ/Q09N4Fhp8NSBhG6mHU8Jh4YcF+L1U6Ug o5LIoSRTQZIJxruDqdUCvesDU5g5JYjQEybAh/qJfr4q7rv1PGb/iMm7l/718AzRQYyZ jNUurrKPm6u2ty3JRBUiZBBiP8d1nWi9i63R3VmNyl92bgl6cb3ELf4Wwks5TydMFvlM Eeum2G9iKZz6xSne9zi4JAysCXDf3MgQfLjr5gVDKYJRkGLiWB/X1HmACxGGuZZE/Fiy mmQw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubW01eJdiR04xUfRuLnxvyV4sUXj8jpcHfxv26YhZrH5iIjFnHX QUlvm3jhn+QZllzAWsaBEIL6iCIQvswO7Vu0mu0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIyp2QBRd2CiVj6Cv1k4fWKZcTClx3MhvUZzjew8I8zsXuJWyyBlo0smgEQbJZt+sb748ZiDoofq5fXB5O9dAI= X-Received: by 2002:a92:794f:: with SMTP id u76mr4512145ilc.269.1588351427010; Fri, 01 May 2020 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tony Przygienda Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 09:42:30 -0700 Message-ID: To: Alvaro Retana Cc: Greg Mirsky , BIER WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000095e8aa05a498e26c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] status of draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 16:44:01 -0000 --00000000000095e8aa05a498e26c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, please note well that after some discussion here, this constitutes the official re-issue of last call for draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements/ The necessary output to continue with WGLC & IESG process is having multiple people across multiple organizations explaining support with more than just "+1" (ideally explaining the reason the work should be published as BIER WG document) and obviously having read the draft. The draft gained another editor. As to authors, Carlos removes himself from the author's list. This and both editors changing should be reflected in next published version, please. Editors, please ping the shepherd for an according write-down as well with her take on the draft which will present a valuable input to this last call. In case the last call does not gather enough support, the draft will move to either "Dead WG Document" or "Adopted for WG Info Only" status which will be discussed out then. This LC expires on Fri, May 15th thanks -- tony On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:43 PM Alvaro Retana wrote: > On April 16, 2020 at 3:17:38 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: > > > Greg: > > Hi! > > Answering only the parts about the document states. The decision > about the document itself is up to the WG. > > > ... > See rfc6174: Definition of IETF Working Group Document States > > > > On the other hand, to the best of my understanding and please correct m= e > if > > I'm wrong here, the headstone saying "Dead WG Document" would not remov= e > it > > from the list of documents on BIER WG page and it can be easily accesse= d > by > > anyone interested to read. > > From =C2=A74.2.6: > > A "Dead WG Document" is an I-D that has been abandoned. Note that > 'Dead' is not always a final state for a WG I-D. If consensus is > subsequently achieved, a "Dead WG Document" may be resurrected. A > "Dead WG Document" that is not resurrected will eventually expire. > > Given that all drafts are now archived regardless of the state, it > will still be available. I believe that a document will show up in > the datatracker while not expired. > > > > Also, would marking it as "Dead WG Document" affect the progress of > > solution-proposing drafts that use draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements as = an > > informational reference? > > Having a draft (any draft) as an Informative reference shouldn't be a > showstopper for publication. > > However, if the reference is used to justify the need for a specific > solution or to point at specific requirements, then someone could > question the "abandoned" nature of the work, and whether the document > reflects the consensus of the WG. > > > > If there will be no negative impact, then I'd conclude with "it would b= e > nice > > to publish but the other way is okay too". I hope I didn't confuse you > all. > > Not publishing a support document like this one is in line with the > IESG statement about Support Documents in IETF Working Groups [1]. As > the responsible AD, not publishing is perfectly fine with me. > > > Following Tony's suggestion of WGLCing the document... If the WG > wants to be able to reference this draft in the future, the WGLC > should explicitly consider that question (along with the others Tony > mentioned). The current version doesn't have to be the final version > of the document and the WG is able (if there's interest) to keep > working on it -- just like any other document. > > If the WG decides to keep the draft as reference material, a more > appropriate status may be "Adopted for WG Info Only" or simply "WG > Document". From rfc6174: > > =3D=3D=3D > 4.2.3. Adopted for WG Info Only > > The "Adopted for WG Info Only" state describes a document that > contains useful information for the WG that adopted it, but the > document is not intended to be published as an RFC. The WG will not > actively develop the contents of the I-D or progress it for > publication as an RFC. The only purpose of the I-D is to provide > information for internal use by the WG. > > 4.2.4. WG Document > > The "WG Document" state describes an I-D that has been adopted by an > IETF WG and is being actively developed. > =3D=3D=3D > > > Alvaro. > > > [1] https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/support-documents/ > --00000000000095e8aa05a498e26c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<chair hat on>

So= , please note well that after some discussion here, this constitutes the of= ficial re-issue of last call for draft https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements/

The necessary output to continue with WGLC & IESG process is ha= ving multiple people across multiple organizations=20 explaining support with more than just "+1" (ideally explaining t= he reason the work should be published as BIER WG document) and obviously h= aving read the draft.

The draft gained anothe= r editor.

As to authors, Carlos removes himse= lf from the author's list. This and both editors changing should be ref= lected in next published version, please.

Edi= tors, please ping the shepherd for an according write-down as well with her= take on the draft which will present a valuable input to this last call.= =C2=A0

In case the last call does not gather = enough support, the draft will move to either "Dead WG Document" = or "Adopted for WG Info Only" status which will be discussed out = then.

This LC expires on Fri, May 15th

thanks

-- tony


On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:43 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
On April 16, 2020= at 3:17:38 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote:


Greg:

Hi!

Answering only the parts about the document states.=C2=A0 The decision
about the document itself is up to the WG.


...
See rfc6174: Definition of IETF Working Group Document States


> On the other hand, to the best of my understanding and please correct = me if
> I'm wrong here, the headstone saying "Dead WG Document" = would not remove it
> from the list of documents on BIER WG page and it can be easily access= ed by
> anyone interested to read.

>From =C2=A74.2.6:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0A "Dead WG Document" is an I-D that has been abandon= ed.=C2=A0 Note that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0'Dead' is not always a final state for a WG I-D.=C2=A0= If consensus is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0subsequently achieved, a "Dead WG Document" may be r= esurrected. =C2=A0A
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"Dead WG Document" that is not resurrected will even= tually expire.

Given that all drafts are now archived regardless of the state, it
will still be available.=C2=A0 I believe that a document will show up in the datatracker while not expired.


> Also, would marking it as "Dead WG Document" affect the prog= ress of
> solution-proposing drafts that use draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements as= an
> informational reference?

Having a draft (any draft) as an Informative reference shouldn't be a showstopper for publication.

However, if the reference is used to justify the need for a specific
solution or to point at specific requirements, then someone could
question the "abandoned" nature of the work, and whether the docu= ment
reflects the consensus of the WG.


> If there will be no negative impact, then I'd conclude with "= it would be nice
> to publish but the other way is okay too". I hope I didn't co= nfuse you all.

Not publishing a support document like this one is in line with the
IESG statement about Support Documents in IETF Working Groups [1].=C2=A0 As=
the responsible AD, not publishing is perfectly fine with me.


Following Tony's suggestion of WGLCing the document...=C2=A0 If the WG<= br> wants to be able to reference this draft in the future, the WGLC
should explicitly consider that question (along with the others Tony
mentioned).=C2=A0 The current version doesn't have to be the final vers= ion
of the document and the WG is able (if there's interest) to keep
working on it -- just like any other document.

If the WG decides to keep the draft as reference material, a more
appropriate status may be "Adopted for WG Info Only" or simply &q= uot;WG
Document".=C2=A0 From rfc6174:

=3D=3D=3D
4.2.3.=C2=A0 Adopted for WG Info Only

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The "Adopted for WG Info Only" state describes a doc= ument that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0contains useful information for the WG that adopted it, but th= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0document is not intended to be published as an RFC.=C2=A0 The = WG will not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0actively develop the contents of the I-D or progress it for =C2=A0 =C2=A0publication as an RFC.=C2=A0 The only purpose of the I-D is to= provide
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information for internal use by the WG.

4.2.4.=C2=A0 WG Document

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The "WG Document" state describes an I-D that has be= en adopted by an
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IETF WG and is being actively developed.
=3D=3D=3D


Alvaro.


[1] https://www.ietf.org/about/g= roups/iesg/statements/support-documents/
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Regards, Greg On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 9:43 AM Tony Przygienda wrote: > > > So, please note well that after some discussion here, this constitutes th= e > official re-issue of last call for draft > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements/ > > The necessary output to continue with WGLC & IESG process is having > multiple people across multiple organizations explaining support with mor= e > than just "+1" (ideally explaining the reason the work should be publishe= d > as BIER WG document) and obviously having read the draft. > > The draft gained another editor. > > As to authors, Carlos removes himself from the author's list. This and > both editors changing should be reflected in next published version, > please. > > Editors, please ping the shepherd for an according write-down as well wit= h > her take on the draft which will present a valuable input to this last > call. > > In case the last call does not gather enough support, the draft will move > to either "Dead WG Document" or "Adopted for WG Info Only" status which > will be discussed out then. > > This LC expires on Fri, May 15th > > thanks > > -- tony > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:43 PM Alvaro Retana > wrote: > >> On April 16, 2020 at 3:17:38 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: >> >> >> Greg: >> >> Hi! >> >> Answering only the parts about the document states. The decision >> about the document itself is up to the WG. >> >> >> ... >> See rfc6174: Definition of IETF Working Group Document States >> >> >> > On the other hand, to the best of my understanding and please correct >> me if >> > I'm wrong here, the headstone saying "Dead WG Document" would not >> remove it >> > from the list of documents on BIER WG page and it can be easily >> accessed by >> > anyone interested to read. >> >> From =C2=A74.2.6: >> >> A "Dead WG Document" is an I-D that has been abandoned. Note that >> 'Dead' is not always a final state for a WG I-D. If consensus is >> subsequently achieved, a "Dead WG Document" may be resurrected. A >> "Dead WG Document" that is not resurrected will eventually expire. >> >> Given that all drafts are now archived regardless of the state, it >> will still be available. I believe that a document will show up in >> the datatracker while not expired. >> >> >> > Also, would marking it as "Dead WG Document" affect the progress of >> > solution-proposing drafts that use draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements as >> an >> > informational reference? >> >> Having a draft (any draft) as an Informative reference shouldn't be a >> showstopper for publication. >> >> However, if the reference is used to justify the need for a specific >> solution or to point at specific requirements, then someone could >> question the "abandoned" nature of the work, and whether the document >> reflects the consensus of the WG. >> >> >> > If there will be no negative impact, then I'd conclude with "it would >> be nice >> > to publish but the other way is okay too". I hope I didn't confuse you >> all. >> >> Not publishing a support document like this one is in line with the >> IESG statement about Support Documents in IETF Working Groups [1]. As >> the responsible AD, not publishing is perfectly fine with me. >> >> >> Following Tony's suggestion of WGLCing the document... If the WG >> wants to be able to reference this draft in the future, the WGLC >> should explicitly consider that question (along with the others Tony >> mentioned). The current version doesn't have to be the final version >> of the document and the WG is able (if there's interest) to keep >> working on it -- just like any other document. >> >> If the WG decides to keep the draft as reference material, a more >> appropriate status may be "Adopted for WG Info Only" or simply "WG >> Document". From rfc6174: >> >> =3D=3D=3D >> 4.2.3. Adopted for WG Info Only >> >> The "Adopted for WG Info Only" state describes a document that >> contains useful information for the WG that adopted it, but the >> document is not intended to be published as an RFC. The WG will not >> actively develop the contents of the I-D or progress it for >> publication as an RFC. The only purpose of the I-D is to provide >> information for internal use by the WG. >> >> 4.2.4. WG Document >> >> The "WG Document" state describes an I-D that has been adopted by an >> IETF WG and is being actively developed. >> =3D=3D=3D >> >> >> Alvaro. >> >> >> [1] https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/support-documents/ >> > --000000000000ceee6505a49b9dc0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Tony and Greg,
could you kindly check the updates= in the attached copy of the draft or in the diff, and let Santosh and I kn= ow if they are according to your instructions.

Reg= ards,
Greg

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 9:43 AM Tony Przygienda &l= t;tonysietf@gmail.com> wrote:=
<chair hat on>

So, please note w= ell that after some discussion here, this constitutes the official re-issue= of last call for draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements/

The nec= essary output to continue with WGLC & IESG process is having multiple p= eople across multiple organizations=20 explaining support with more than just "+1" (ideally explaining t= he reason the work should be published as BIER WG document) and obviously h= aving read the draft.

The draft gained anothe= r editor.

As to authors, Carlos removes himse= lf from the author's list. This and both editors changing should be ref= lected in next published version, please.

Edi= tors, please ping the shepherd for an according write-down as well with her= take on the draft which will present a valuable input to this last call.= =C2=A0

In case the last call does not gather = enough support, the draft will move to either "Dead WG Document" = or "Adopted for WG Info Only" status which will be discussed out = then.

This LC expires on Fri, May 15th

thanks

-- tony


On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:43 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On April 16, 2020 at 3:17:38 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote:


Greg:

Hi!

Answering only the parts about the document states.=C2=A0 The decision
about the document itself is up to the WG.


...
See rfc6174: Definition of IETF Working Group Document States


> On the other hand, to the best of my understanding and please correct = me if
> I'm wrong here, the headstone saying "Dead WG Document" = would not remove it
> from the list of documents on BIER WG page and it can be easily access= ed by
> anyone interested to read.

>From =C2=A74.2.6:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0A "Dead WG Document" is an I-D that has been abandon= ed.=C2=A0 Note that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0'Dead' is not always a final state for a WG I-D.=C2=A0= If consensus is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0subsequently achieved, a "Dead WG Document" may be r= esurrected. =C2=A0A
=C2=A0 =C2=A0"Dead WG Document" that is not resurrected will even= tually expire.

Given that all drafts are now archived regardless of the state, it
will still be available.=C2=A0 I believe that a document will show up in the datatracker while not expired.


> Also, would marking it as "Dead WG Document" affect the prog= ress of
> solution-proposing drafts that use draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements as= an
> informational reference?

Having a draft (any draft) as an Informative reference shouldn't be a showstopper for publication.

However, if the reference is used to justify the need for a specific
solution or to point at specific requirements, then someone could
question the "abandoned" nature of the work, and whether the docu= ment
reflects the consensus of the WG.


> If there will be no negative impact, then I'd conclude with "= it would be nice
> to publish but the other way is okay too". I hope I didn't co= nfuse you all.

Not publishing a support document like this one is in line with the
IESG statement about Support Documents in IETF Working Groups [1].=C2=A0 As=
the responsible AD, not publishing is perfectly fine with me.


Following Tony's suggestion of WGLCing the document...=C2=A0 If the WG<= br> wants to be able to reference this draft in the future, the WGLC
should explicitly consider that question (along with the others Tony
mentioned).=C2=A0 The current version doesn't have to be the final vers= ion
of the document and the WG is able (if there's interest) to keep
working on it -- just like any other document.

If the WG decides to keep the draft as reference material, a more
appropriate status may be "Adopted for WG Info Only" or simply &q= uot;WG
Document".=C2=A0 From rfc6174:

=3D=3D=3D
4.2.3.=C2=A0 Adopted for WG Info Only

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The "Adopted for WG Info Only" state describes a doc= ument that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0contains useful information for the WG that adopted it, but th= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0document is not intended to be published as an RFC.=C2=A0 The = WG will not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0actively develop the contents of the I-D or progress it for =C2=A0 =C2=A0publication as an RFC.=C2=A0 The only purpose of the I-D is to= provide
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information for internal use by the WG.

4.2.4.=C2=A0 WG Document

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The "WG Document" state describes an I-D that has be= en adopted by an
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IETF WG and is being actively developed.
=3D=3D=3D


Alvaro.


[1] https://www.ietf.org/about/g= roups/iesg/statements/support-documents/
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<202005042216058443822@zte.com.cn> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 09:40:12 -0700 Message-ID: To: xiong.quan@zte.com.cn Cc: BIER WG , BIER WG Chairs , hufwei@gmail.com, liuc131@chinaunicom.cn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fa60e805a4d52f0e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] : New Version Notification for draft-hu-bier-bfd-06.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 16:40:28 -0000 --000000000000fa60e805a4d52f0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Quan, thank you for the update and the note explaining the scope of changes. Dear All, the draft has been extended with a reference to the work in MPLS WG that will be presented this at the interim meeting Thursday at 14:00 - 15:30 UTC. The draft-mirsky-mpls-p2mp-bfd has been extended to specify how unsolicited notifications of a failure in the multicast distribution tree can be used by an egress LSR to notify the ingress LSR. We believe that the same mechanism can be used by BFER to notify BFIR. The unsolicited notification mechanism has some advantages comparing to multipoint polling and composite polling mechanisms defined in RFC 8563 and already mentioned in the draft-hu-bier-bfd. Welcome you joining in the discussion at MPLS WG interim and/or on the mailing list (keeping both MPLS and BIER WGs in the discussion seems beneficial). Regards, Greg On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:16 AM wrote: > Dear Chairs and all, > > > The new version of draft-hu-bier-bfd-06 has been uploaded. This draft has= been discussed many times in IETF meeting and mailing list. > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hu-bier-bfd-06 > > For this new version, we updated the process of the active tail in BIER > BFD in section 6. > > With this update, BFD over BIER is capable to support scenarios when it > is sufficient for a BFER to detect the failure and act on that, as well a= s > cases when the BFIR must be notified of the failre in the multicast > distribution tree. > > > The authors appreciate more feedbacks. Your comments and suggestions are = very welcome! > > Best Regards, > > Quan > > > =E5=8E=9F=E5=A7=8B=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6 > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A*internet-drafts@ietf.org > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A*=E7=86=8A=E6=B3=8900091065;Greg Mir= sky ;Fangwei Hu < > hufwei@gmail.com>;Chang Liu ;fangwei hu < > hufwei@gmail.com>; > *=E6=97=A5 =E6=9C=9F =EF=BC=9A*2020=E5=B9=B404=E6=9C=8830=E6=97=A5 11:18 > *=E4=B8=BB =E9=A2=98 =EF=BC=9A**New Version Notification for draft-hu-bie= r-bfd-06.txt* > > A new version of I-D, draft-hu-bier-bfd-06.txt > has been successfully submitted by Quan Xiong and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-hu-bier-bfd > Revision: 06 > Title: BIER BFD > Document date: 2020-04-29 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 10 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hu-bier-bfd-06.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hu-bier-bfd/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hu-bier-bfd-06 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hu-bier-bfd > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-hu-bier-bfd-06 > > Abstract: > Point to multipoint (P2MP) BFD is designed to verify multipoint > connectivity. This document specifies the application of P2MP BFD in > BIER network. > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > --000000000000fa60e805a4d52f0e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Quan,
thank you for the update and the note explain= ing the scope of changes.

Dear All,
the = draft has been extended with a reference to the work in MPLS WG that will b= e presented this at the interim meeting Thursday=C2=A0a= t=C2=A014:00 - 15:30 UTC. The draft-mirsky-mpls-p2mp-bfd=C2=A0has been ex= tended to specify how unsolicited notifications of a failure in the multica= st distribution tree can be used by an egress LSR to notify the ingress LSR= . We believe that the same mechanism can be used by BFER to notify BFIR. Th= e unsolicited notification mechanism has some advantages comparing to multi= point polling and composite polling mechanisms defined in RFC 8563 and alre= ady mentioned in the draft-hu-bier-bfd. Welcome you joining in the discussi= on at MPLS WG interim and/or on the mailing list (keeping both MPLS and BIE= R WGs in the discussion seems beneficial).

Regards= ,
Greg

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:16 AM <xiong.quan@zte.com.cn> wrote:
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--000000000000fa60e805a4d52f0e-- From nobody Wed May 6 01:09:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2B73A087B; Wed, 6 May 2020 01:09:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.129.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <158875254329.18618.7202988315497619457@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 01:09:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos-03.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 08:09:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : Use of BIER Entropy for Data Center Clos Networks Authors : Jingrong Xie Xiaohu Xu Gang Yan Mike McBride Filename : draft-ietf-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos-03.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2020-05-06 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) introduces a new multicast- specific BIER Header. BIER can be applied to the Multi Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) data plane or Non-MPLS data plane. Entropy is a technique used in BIER to support load-balancing. This document examines and describes how BIER Entropy is to be applied to Data Center Clos networks for path selection. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-entropy-staged-dc-clos-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon May 11 14:42:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2DA3A0BBA; Mon, 11 May 2020 14:42:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.129.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <158923334172.15170.12664445341265683208@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:42:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-ping-07.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:42:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : BIER Ping and Trace Authors : Nagendra Kumar Carlos Pignataro Nobo Akiya Lianshu Zheng Mach Chen Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-ietf-bier-ping-07.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2020-05-11 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per- flow state. BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. The BIER header contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. The set of BFERs to which the multicast packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that correspond to those routers in the BIER header. This document describes the mechanism and basic BIER OAM packet format that can be used to perform failure detection and isolation on BIER data plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-ping/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-ping-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-ping-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-ping-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon May 11 17:52:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1188C3A0DF7; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:52:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qWRF3OgC-xmb; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED2E93A0DEF; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml737-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id ED7BDBD2DACC66952F4C; Tue, 12 May 2020 01:52:40 +0100 (IST) Received: from nkgeml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.40) by lhreml737-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.187) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 12 May 2020 01:52:40 +0100 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) by nkgeml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.40) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:52:38 +0800 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Tue, 12 May 2020 08:52:38 +0800 From: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" To: "bier@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-bier-ping@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-ping-07.txt Thread-Index: AQHWJ909TyWc+9TgpkCEx7sP1Pu1N6ijnp2w Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:52:37 +0000 Message-ID: <53aca0e2bbeb40c3ada2d156c11ef8c8@huawei.com> References: <158923334172.15170.12664445341265683208@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <158923334172.15170.12664445341265683208@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.202.118] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-ping-07.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:52:45 -0000 Hi Thank you the authors for updating this documents. Could you please apply the IANA value TBD1 for this BIER PING/TRACE ?=20 "This document request UDP port TBD1 to be allocated by IANA for BIER Echo.= " Best Regards, Jingrong -----Original Message----- From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= .org Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:42 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: bier@ietf.org Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-ping-07.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the= IETF. Title : BIER Ping and Trace Authors : Nagendra Kumar Carlos Pignataro Nobo Akiya Lianshu Zheng Mach Chen Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-ietf-bier-ping-07.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2020-05-11 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per- flow state. BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. The BIER header contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. The set of BFERs to which the multicast packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that correspond to those routers in the BIER header. This document describes the mechanism and basic BIER OAM packet format that can be used to perform failure detection and isolation on BIER data plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-ping/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-ping-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-ping-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-bier-ping-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier From nobody Sat May 16 07:06:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97EF3A0BA0; Sat, 16 May 2020 07:06:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PgsAyo7zbSnL; Sat, 16 May 2020 07:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D8473A0B9F; Sat, 16 May 2020 07:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml716-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id A8AC53BBA901CA88C763; Sat, 16 May 2020 15:06:33 +0100 (IST) Received: from nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.160) by lhreml716-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.67) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Sat, 16 May 2020 15:06:33 +0100 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.154) by nkgeml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.98.57.160) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Sat, 16 May 2020 22:06:30 +0800 Received: from nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) by nkgeml705-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.98.57.154]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Sat, 16 May 2020 22:06:30 +0800 From: "Xiejingrong (Jingrong)" To: Brian E Carpenter , Bob Hinden , IPv6 List CC: "bier@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: BIERv6 request for your comments//RE: Upcoming 6man Adoption Calls Thread-Index: AdYrinU9/G2rHY8FRGqadbdGs0As3g== Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 14:06:30 +0000 Message-ID: <78b6a5d569424fccadc12736560d1b18@huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.212.245] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] BIERv6 request for your comments//RE: Upcoming 6man Adoption Calls X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 14:06:40 -0000 Hi ! Don't know how to hop over to the gendispatch list and reply to Brian's mes= sage there.=20 Forward to BIER WG just to tell ----there hasn't been substantial comments = so far on the 6man WG since requested 2 months ago under the bier Chairs' d= irection. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/3BGWN5o1cwnG_4HwdI5zCPSX_aY/ Reply to 6man WG just to remind our request for comments ----the BIERv6 pro= posal uses the IPv6-EH mechanism and has a new IPv6 option. https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-xie-bier-ipv6-encapsulation-06.txt Please let us know your comments, especially if you think there are harmful= impacts or security problems. Thanks in advance for your reading and comments. Best Regards, Jingrong -----Original Message----- From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:22 AM To: Bob Hinden ; IPv6 List Subject: Re: Upcoming 6man Adoption Calls I hate to repeat something that should be well known, but I think it's some= thing that people often overlook: "Adoption" of a draft by a WG does *not* mean that the WG is obliged to lat= er approve it for publication. In fact, adopted drafts that do not reach WG= rough consensus usually die. "Adoption" *does* mean that change control of the draft passes from the aut= hors to the WG. Unfortunately we don't have a BCP that defines this very clearly. If you th= ink that's a problem, please hop over to the gendispatch list and reply to = my message there: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/fhU_Z7r= rE_XxyLkoGzAFJLQ04hY/ Regards Brian Carpenter On 16-May-20 06:27, Bob Hinden wrote: > After discussing it with the Internet Area Directors will be starting thr= ee 6man adoption calls in the near future. These are for: >=20 > draft-fz-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-09 > draft-bonica-6man-comp-rtg-hdr-21 > draft-gont-6man-slaac-renum-07 >=20 > We expect to send the first two later today, the third is delayed a bit w= aiting for feedback from our AD. >=20 > Bob & Ole >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon May 18 02:50:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A263A0A4D; Mon, 18 May 2020 02:50:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.130.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <158979543939.25677.1196476832191283346@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 02:50:39 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext-07.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 09:50:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : BGP Link-State extensions for BIER Authors : Ran Chen Zheng Zhang Vengada Prasad Govindan IJsbrand Wijnands Filename : draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext-07.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2020-05-18 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per- flow state. BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. The BIER header contains a bitstring in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. The set of BFERs to which the multicast packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that correspond to those routers in the BIER header. This document specifies extensions to the BGP Link-state address- family in order to advertise BIER information. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-bgp-ls-bier-ext-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon May 18 09:03:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860733A0837; Mon, 18 May 2020 09:03:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.130.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <158981781548.19313.11942997203009411187@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 09:03:35 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-10.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 16:03:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) Requirements for Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) Layer Authors : Greg Mirsky Nagendra Kumar Mach Chen Santosh Pallagatti Filename : draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-10.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2020-05-18 Abstract: This document describes a list of functional requirement toward Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) toolset in Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) layer of a network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-oam-requirements-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu May 21 19:20:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB48B3A0DC9; Thu, 21 May 2020 19:20:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.1.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <159011405578.5439.968736109722407518@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:20:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery-08.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 02:20:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : Path Maximum Transmission Unit Discovery (PMTUD) for Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) Layer Authors : Greg Mirsky Tony Przygienda Andrew Dolganow Filename : draft-ietf-bier-path-mtu-discovery-08.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2020-05-21 Abstract: This document describes Path Maximum Transmission Unit Discovery (PMTUD) in Bit Indexed Explicit Replication (BIER) layer. 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Many thanks for your question. I'd like to have the WG think of it and participate in the discussion. I agree with you that a tracing mechanism, using BIER ping/traceroute Downstream TLV, might be used to execute path MTU discovery. I think I see several challenges to such an approach. Consider that BIER is an overlay and adjacent BFRs might be connected not by a link but a tunnel. Thus, as I think of it, a BFR would be required to discover MTU of all of its interfaces and monitor them at some rate. That might create quite a computational load at the bootup and need to be controlled to avoid synchronization of these PMTUD measurements. Doable but seems quite complicated. What do you think? What do others think? Regards, Greg On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:01 PM Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) < mankamis@cisco.com> wrote: > Folks, > May be too late to game. But wondering if BIER ping already provides trace > route functionality which suppose to reply with MTU, what extra this draft > is bringing ? > > Mankamana --00000000000046405605a63e302f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mankamana,
hope this note finds you well. Many than= ks for your question. I'd like to have the WG think of it and participa= te in the discussion.
I agree with you that a tracing mechanism, = using BIER ping/traceroute Downstream TLV, might be used to execute path MT= U discovery. I think I see several challenges to such an approach. Consider= that BIER is an overlay and adjacent BFRs might be connected not by a link= but a tunnel. Thus, as I think of it, a BFR would be required to discover = MTU of all of its interfaces and monitor them at some rate. That might crea= te quite a computational load at the bootup and need to be controlled=C2=A0= to avoid synchronization of these PMTUD measurements. Doable but seems quit= e complicated.=C2=A0
What do you think? What do others think?

Regards,
Greg

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at = 8:01 PM Mankamana Mishra (mankamis) <mankamis@cisco.com> wrote:
Folks,
May be too late to game. But wondering if BIER ping already provides trace = route functionality which suppose to reply with MTU, what extra this draft = is bringing ?

Mankamana
--00000000000046405605a63e302f-- From nobody Sun May 24 06:57:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01F53A017E; Sun, 24 May 2020 06:57:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.1.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <159032862391.1738.4196692384836523315@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 06:57:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-ospfv3-extensions-02.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 13:57:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : OSPFv3 Extensions for BIER Authors : Peter Psenak Nagendra Kumar Nainar IJsbrand Wijnands Filename : draft-ietf-bier-ospfv3-extensions-02.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2020-05-24 Abstract: Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that provides multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without requiring intermediate routers to maintain multicast related per-flow state. Neither does BIER require an explicit tree-building protocol for its operation. A multicast data packet enters a BIER domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs). The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet. Such header contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER to forward the packet to. The set of BFERs to which the multicast packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by the according set of bits set in BIER packet header. This document describes the OSPFv3 [RFC8362] protocol extensions required for BIER with MPLS encapsulation [RFC8296]. Support for other encapsulation types is outside the scope of this document. The use of multiple encapsulation types is outside the scope of this document. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-ospfv3-extensions/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-ospfv3-extensions-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-ospfv3-extensions-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-ospfv3-extensions-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon May 25 15:17:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6F63A0ACC; Mon, 25 May 2020 15:17:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.1.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <159044503402.18909.4300110585510108186@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 15:17:14 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-pmmm-oam-08.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 22:17:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : Performance Measurement (PM) with Marking Method in Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) Layer Authors : Greg Mirsky Lianshu Zheng Mach Chen Giuseppe Fioccola Filename : draft-ietf-bier-pmmm-oam-08.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2020-05-25 Abstract: This document describes the applicability of a hybrid performance measurement method for packet loss and packet delay measurements of a multicast service through a Bit Index Explicit Replication domain. 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7.1.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159080067154.2543.11521329577811902278@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 18:04:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] bier - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 108 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 01:04:32 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Zheng Zhang, a Secretary of the bier working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Zheng Zhang Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 100 Minutes Number of Attendees: 60 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: mpls pim lsr mboned roll spring rift idr People who must be present: Tony Przygienda Greg Shepherd Alvaro Retana Resources 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