From nobody Tue Feb 2 14:25:29 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F763A0786; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:25:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E2cphUgZoeSh; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D19693A003F; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id BBEFEF40739; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:25:10 -0800 (PST) To: ginsberg@cisco.com, ginsberg@cisco.com, prz@juniper.net, aldrin.ietf@gmail.com, zzhang@juniper.net X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, iesg@ietf.org, bier@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20210202222510.BBEFEF40739@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:25:10 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC8401 (6418) X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 22:25:27 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC8401, "Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) Support via IS-IS". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6418 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Technical Reported by: Les Ginsberg Date Reported: 2021-01-31 Held by: Alvaro Retana (IESG) Section: 4.2 Original Text ------------- o When the Prefix Attributes Flags sub-TLV [RFC7794] is present, the N flag MUST be set and the R flag MUST NOT be set. Corrected Text -------------- o When the Prefix Attributes Flags sub-TLV [RFC7794] is present, the N flag MUST be set. Notes ----- Early versions of the draft did not support leaking of BIER advertisements. At that time the requirement that R-flag be clear made sense. Once leaking was allowed the prohibition against R-bit being set no longer makes sense and should be removed. -------------------------------------- RFC8401 (draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-11) -------------------------------------- Title : Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) Support via IS-IS Publication Date : June 2018 Author(s) : L. Ginsberg, Ed., T. Przygienda, S. Aldrin, Z. Zhang Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Bit Indexed Explicit Replication Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Fri Feb 12 16:39:26 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1640F3A1189; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:33:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <161317641707.31337.2300715826953692600@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:33:37 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] bier - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 110 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:33:47 -0000 Dear Zheng Zhang, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. bier Session 1 (2:00 requested) Tuesday, 9 March 2021, Session I 1300-1500 Room Name: Room 6 size: 506 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/110/sessions/bier.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Bit Indexed Explicit Replication Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Zheng Zhang Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: mboned pim roll lsr mpls spring rift People who must be present: Alvaro Retana Greg Shepherd Tony Przygienda Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Feb 16 08:13:40 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC793A0A2E; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:13:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Greg Shepherd via Datatracker To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: Greg Mirsky , bier-chairs@ietf.org, bier@ietf.org, gregimirsky@gmail.com, iesg-secretary@ietf.org Message-ID: <161349201855.32009.2587486673212260536@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:13:38 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-07 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:13:39 -0000 Greg Shepherd has requested publication of draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa-07 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the BIER working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa/ From nobody Tue Feb 16 08:18:42 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54023A0ADB for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j0BsZxjXmrG8 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ej1-x630.google.com (mail-ej1-x630.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::630]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A924A3A0AB5 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ej1-x630.google.com with SMTP id y26so17388890eju.13 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:18:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=9hlrKbpNdDgj7GT9t1WiYNsbQ/c303tvtNa3t1RFXy8=; b=Ccwj5BcLH61OCVQNrGdL7key0l+5RY8KruC7meDrv50gAnfxWyNtNg7Haws8M7BRyU MQg2jzgtbND0TNipM/HjN+ka5HtZQOwRx0HwGIJXq5jsbItvnSxgagNmP03iSXLmiUga sJbvXEgYOA/JdBd2Ac7LbplIJcb6jRIUssFrGDQhoBjMpJ4YPmCHMZ6EOlwqOVvBF7Yf OPLA4RL6tK8lbUAYZ+8ljsKM55jGxBDWD8FjT/mz2rjx8P+ohNASrKJ/5n19pfEU8Y5U sV/iHwLfTegpgYTxLarvCtpobtPVPgXc8X9uDpWhQIlkd0uhEVirbBL7/ElJ/q6zIqjM X7fw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=9hlrKbpNdDgj7GT9t1WiYNsbQ/c303tvtNa3t1RFXy8=; b=kGLVH2xfhlmLoICXu9XSmvBFzqTdfNtDAjJgNYaPJ9mapnYo2Ql2sjSYRCq5ofChEN KvI8nNgIFoE3PeWixkxp1zqa1PahBCx7bGFJZthk4MOsxhmPSFUpUOCnuTlJvXdFDQJr CrGWDQ34WlZz2UIoQfmHb6o2LKiIdGy7DEaOab2CDM89uRuxjgVJ48iTPibv885yPR33 7CrYXnNG+53cD+eZ+CWWovx89/ECKdq6TdEm584qrLz+UVhAfaSmWbeDCQAsx5E4Hy/8 ip8SUoGdmcXLqd1pOQRL5+326ZV/UY7zKC9gceS8IGFYZCaKxLDSopgIbE7qkhajoA1K 2hAw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532jSjjyHy+szU1dtnd2uzYYdB5LHhvt0ZwY4IYsoUjjPWS50/P1 eYDQ+iI6Slq60mjUl6F5TZtA82tMDSuXMlagWWG1bzbM X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwgaEpgP5WVMdvDcGqlC/gjmkYMpKQxWBPfvw5kydHgPADVPEIKvhwVAHV34klB2cs/ozKEltvg2h3VI8OY6LQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:2c14:: with SMTP id e20mr5819219ejh.347.1613492308146; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:18:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com From: Greg Shepherd Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:18:17 -0800 Message-ID: To: BIER WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dfff3405bb7673e5" Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] BIER WG - Call For Agenda IETF 110 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:18:42 -0000 --000000000000dfff3405bb7673e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" *, Time to build the agenda for the BIER WG, IETF 110. 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Hi Greg and=C2=A0Tony,
I don't have requests for a= presentation on the specific draft at the IETF-110 meeting. Perhaps you ca= n allocate some time to discuss the progress of BIER OAM drafts:

Regards,
Greg

On T= ue, Feb 16, 2021 at 8:18 AM Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
*,
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--000000000000ae1e8f05bb79ed73-- From nobody Mon Feb 22 10:38:01 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietf.org Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343B63A1EDC; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:38:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bier@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.26.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: bier@ietf.org Message-ID: <161401908010.26161.14584974238733042446@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:38:00 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-mld-05.txt X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:38:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF. Title : BIER Ingress Multicast Flow Overlay using Multicast Listener Discovery Protocols Authors : Pierre Pfister IJsbrand Wijnands Stig Venaas Cui(Linda) Wang Zheng(Sandy) Zhang Markus Stenberg Filename : draft-ietf-bier-mld-05.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2021-02-22 Abstract: This document specifies the ingress part of a multicast flow overlay for BIER networks. Using existing multicast listener discovery protocols, it enables multicast membership information sharing from egress routers, acting as listeners, toward ingress routers, acting as queriers. Ingress routers keep per-egress-router state, used to construct the BIER bit mask associated with IP multicast packets entering the BIER domain. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mld/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bier-mld-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bier-mld-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bier-mld-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This draft has been waiting on an IGMP-MLD extension mechanism defined in draft-ietf-pim-igmp-mld-extension-04. The pim wg has now requested publication of that draft, so we should be ready to proceed with the overlay draft in bier. Thanks, Stig On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 8:18 AM Greg Shepherd wrote: > > *, > Time to build the agenda for the BIER WG, IETF 110. 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Title/Doc: BIER-TE Fast ReRoute (draft-chen-bier-te-frr-00) Presenter: Huaimo Chen Requested duration: 10 minutes Title/Doc: BIER-TE Egress Protection (draft-chen-bier-te-egress-prot= ect-00) Presenter: Huaimo Chen Requested duration: 10 minutes Title/Doc: BIER Fast ReRoute (draft-chen-bier-frr-02) Presenter: Huaimo Chen Requested duration: 5 minutes Title/Doc: BIER Egress Protection (draft-chen-bier-egress-protect-01= ) Presenter: Huaimo Chen Requested duration: 5 minutes Best Regards, Huaimo ________________________________ From: BIER on behalf of Greg Shepherd Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:18 AM To: BIER WG Subject: [Bier] BIER WG - Call For Agenda IETF 110 *, Time to build the agenda for the BIER WG, IETF 110. Some requests are alrea= dy coming in. Please send requests for agenda slots to this thread, and include: Title/Doc Presenter Requested duration Thanks, Chairs (Shep) --_000_DM6PR13MB4083010C06D3CEDE60EB0A06F2809DM6PR13MB4083namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Greg, Tony and Zheng,

    Would you mind allocating 4 slots as follows?

  &nb= sp;   Title/Doc:  BIER-TE Fast ReRoute (draft-chen-bier-te-f= rr-00) 
      Presenter: Huaimo Chen
      Requested duration: 10 minutes

      Title/Doc:  BIER-TE Egress Protec= tion (draft-chen-bier-te-egress-protect-00) 
      Presenter: Huaimo Chen
      Requested duration: 10 minutes

      Title/Doc:  BIER Fast ReRoute (draft-c= hen-bier-frr-02)
      Present= er: Huaimo Chen
      Requested duration: 5 minutes

      = Title/Doc:  BIER Egress Protection (draft-chen-bier-e= gress-protect-01) 
     &nbs= p;Presenter: Huaimo Chen
      Requ= ested duration: 5 minutes

Best Regards,
Huaimo


From: BIER <bier-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:18 AM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: [Bier] BIER WG - Call For Agenda IETF 110
 
*,
Time to build the agenda for the BIER WG, IETF 110. Some requests are = already coming in.

Please send requests for agenda slots to this thread, and include:

Title/Doc
Presenter
Requested duration

Thanks,
Chairs
(Shep)
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Message-ID: To: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" Cc: BIER WG , "gjshep@gmail.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f1527e05bc347ad7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 03:01:13 -0000 --000000000000f1527e05bc347ad7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I support as co-author. I am not aware of any IPRs. Thanks Gyan On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:23 PM Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang wrote: > Support as co-author. > > Not aware of any IPRs. > > > > Jeffrey > > > > *From:* BIER *On Behalf Of * Greg Shepherd > *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 11:37 AM > *To:* BIER WG > *Subject:* [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 > > > > *[External Email. Be cautious of content]* > > > > Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. This > draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for the solution. > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-bier-bierin6/ > > > > > Please reply to this thread with your support/opposition of WG adoption of > the draft. > > > > Thanks, > > Shep > > (Chairs) > > Juniper Business Use Only > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD --000000000000f1527e05bc347ad7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support as co-author.

I =C2=A0am not aware of any IPRs.

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Support as co-author.

Not aware of any IPRs.

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Jeffrey

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We are unfortunately no where near consensus on this topic including this d= raft. We'll likely see that during this adoption call. Adrian's suggestion for consensus remains the best I've heard: simultaneous= ly call to adopt both solutions as experimental. mike From: BIER On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 AM To: BIER WG Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. This = draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for the solution. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-bier-bierin6/ Please reply to this thread with your support/opposition of WG adoption of = the draft. 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X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-25942.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--18.251-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--18.251-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-25942.003 X-TMASE-Result: 10--18.251000-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: XBmhKVu6xIK+AWaOCXs78kNkUF3WMuv+cU9StUObqO0CPiT971fk7NUf 6bWFkfAuCX0hYHHH6QEbLZEobDbiW4JNnvhFKcAhgwHdQ7Tdau1TewUuJwIWFeGdRN3XfUeZUgg v17wbRsqaHZn632i/qU1di3GoDB0T81u7r+xjdt5hfcrpwCr9GeVXRGCcBIbAiIB5natU4m0/+a UwNH0c1IR4RLK5G1ihGQh1ZJDJ9KMwn9g3uUMn00rOXQ4vCtZYJKe4kl4op4TB1oTlNT01WKVIb Gpduh9H+D0ajhKrWUubLWlhiLtlEnnNmEwh4s/OWr/D5CnnmmSdVNZaI2n6//42CnfVZVKO2UO8 w76yTRW0Mmy2H0TMF3gCTyzVAzEDBUUGdhjwEuyInHjrjZy8lv0peXGEEBlvDvKSaIxu6kpXG3y I9k2vbIfNL7D/HMEOKHWHnxIi33mD28NNt7xCyCkBeV/1d1sZ30kDaWZBE1TQTttTsZbKLwcR01 yaR+FBcmMmAcpqutNFhD6misCNUQH/6CIQ6zHMn0UoIZ374hfmuecNOZVsqrTxnpbCjruIX5/bN hAsGyQPY7Ec0tWek3Cs42g24Z/zU5cch2H/cRtyy6oeqPpUJmY0Io4Kxb86WSV39JRqx/Q5PySS 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Looking back at the list, I saw a couple of +1s to my suggestion, and a mumble from an author of draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 about Experimental not being fair. I'm surprised to see this adoption poll without first resolving the debate about precedence of I-Ds and not even an announcement from the chairs about a plan for how the two I-Ds will be progressed. Adoption, IMHO, is not about whether a draft is technically ready, but about how the WG wants to address a topic. I don't think we have resolved that question, and so I think an adoption poll on one draft only appears to be prejudging that debate. So I would like us to suspend this adoption poll and sort ourselves out first. Thanks, Adrian From: BIER On Behalf Of Michael McBride Sent: 26 February 2021 06:15 To: gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG Subject: Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 Oppose. We are unfortunately no where near consensus on this topic including this draft. We'll likely see that during this adoption call. Adrian's suggestion for consensus remains the best I've heard: simultaneously call to adopt both solutions as experimental. mike From: BIER On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 AM To: BIER WG Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. This draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for the solution. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-bier-bierin6/ Please reply to this thread with your support/opposition of WG adoption of the draft. Thanks, Shep (Chairs) ------=_NextPart_000_01F9_01D70C39.AF33B670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Since Mike invoked me, I’ll = make my adoption comments in response to his = mail.

 

Looking = back at the list, I saw a couple of +1s to my suggestion, and a mumble = from an author of draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 about Experimental not being = fair.

 

I’m = surprised to see this adoption poll without first resolving the debate = about precedence of I-Ds and not even an announcement from the chairs = about a plan for how the two I-Ds will be progressed. Adoption, IMHO, is = not about whether a draft is technically ready, but about how the WG = wants to address a topic. I don’t think we have resolved that = question, and so I think an adoption poll on one draft only appears to = be prejudging that debate.

 

So I would = like us to suspend this adoption poll and sort ourselves out = first.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: BIER = <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Michael = McBride
Sent: 26 February 2021 06:15
To: = gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: = [Bier] Call For Adoption: = draft-zhang-bier-bierin6

 

Oppose.

 

We are unfortunately no where near consensus on this topic = including this draft. We’ll likely see that during this adoption = call.

 

Adrian’s suggestion for consensus remains the best = I’ve heard: simultaneously call to adopt both solutions as = experimental.

 

mike

 

From: BIER = <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Greg = Shepherd
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 = AM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: [Bier] = Call For Adoption: = draft-zhang-bier-bierin6

 

Thank you all for the active = discussion that brought us to consensus. This draft now addresses all of = the points of discussion for the = solution. 

 

 

Please reply to this thread = with your support/opposition of WG adoption of the = draft.

 

Thanks,

Shep

(Chairs)

Oppose.

 

We are unfortunately no where near consensus on this= topic including this draft. We’ll likely see that during this adopti= on call.

 

Adrian’s suggestion for consensus remains the = best I’ve heard: simultaneously call to adopt both solutions as exper= imental.

 

mike

 

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Greg Shepherd
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 AM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6

 
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Gyan On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 7:20 AM Adrian Farrel wrote: > Since Mike invoked me, I=E2=80=99ll make my adoption comments in response= to his > mail. > > > > Looking back at the list, I saw a couple of +1s to my suggestion, and a > mumble from an author of draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 about Experimental not > being fair. > > > > I=E2=80=99m surprised to see this adoption poll without first resolving t= he debate > about precedence of I-Ds and not even an announcement from the chairs abo= ut > a plan for how the two I-Ds will be progressed. Adoption, IMHO, is not > about whether a draft is technically ready, but about how the WG wants to > address a topic. I don=E2=80=99t think we have resolved that question, an= d so I > think an adoption poll on one draft only appears to be prejudging that > debate. > > > > So I would like us to suspend this adoption poll and sort ourselves out > first. > > > > Thanks, > > Adrian > > > > *From:* BIER *On Behalf Of *Michael McBride > *Sent:* 26 February 2021 06:15 > *To:* gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG > *Subject:* Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 > > > > Oppose. > > > > We are unfortunately no where near consensus on this topic including this > draft. We=E2=80=99ll likely see that during this adoption call. > > > > Adrian=E2=80=99s suggestion for consensus remains the best I=E2=80=99ve h= eard: > simultaneously call to adopt both solutions as experimental. > > > > mike > > > > *From:* BIER *On Behalf Of *Greg Shepherd > *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 AM > *To:* BIER WG > *Subject:* [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 > > > > Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. Thi= s > draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for the solution. > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-bier-bierin6/ > > > > > Please reply to this thread with your support/opposition of WG adoption o= f > the draft. > > > > Thanks, > > Shep > > (Chairs) > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --=20 *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD --0000000000000db98605bc3f77e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a co-author of both drafts I am in agreement with Adri= an=E2=80=99s comment on suspending the adoption call.

Gyan

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 7:20 AM Adri= an Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:

Since Mike = invoked me, I=E2=80=99ll make my adoption comments in response to his mail.=

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Looking back at the list, I saw a co= uple of +1s to my suggestion, and a mumble from an author of draft-zhang-bi= er-bierin6 about Experimental not being fair.

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99m surprised to see this adoption poll without first reso= lving the debate about precedence of I-Ds and not even an announcement from= the chairs about a plan for how the two I-Ds will be progressed. Adoption,= IMHO, is not about whether a draft is technically ready, but about how the= WG wants to address a topic. I don=E2=80=99t think we have resolved that q= uestion, and so I think an adoption poll on one draft only appears to be pr= ejudging that debate.

= =C2=A0

So I would like= us to suspend this adoption poll and sort ourselves out first.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Adrian

=C2=A0

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Michael McBride
Sent: 26 February 2021 06:15
= To: gjshep@gma= il.com; BIER WG <= bier@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draf= t-zhang-bier-bierin6

=C2=A0

Op= pose.

<= u>=C2=A0

W= e are unfortunately no where near consensus on this topic including this dr= aft. We=E2=80=99ll likely see that during this adoption call.=

=C2=A0=

Adrian=E2=80=99s sug= gestion for consensus remains the best I=E2=80=99ve heard: simultaneously c= all to adopt both solutions as experimental.

=C2=A0

mike

=C2=A0

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd
= Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 AM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6<= /u>

=C2= =A0

= Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. This = draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for the solution.=C2=A0=

<= u>=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please reply to this t= hread with=C2=A0your support/opposition of WG adoption of the draft.=

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Shep

(Chairs)

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From: BIER on behalf of Greg Shepherd Date: Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:37 AM To: BIER WG Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. This = draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for the solution. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-bier-bierin6/ Please reply to this thread with your support/opposition of WG adoption of = the draft. 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Hi Greg and Tony,
I've read the draft. I support t= he WG adoption of this work.

Regards,
Gr= eg

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:37 AM Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank = you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. This draft = now addresses all of the points of discussion for the solution.=C2=A0
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Please reply to this thread wi= th=C2=A0your support/opposition of WG adoption of the draft.

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<01f801d70c39$af32f320$0d98d960$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 10:30:01 +0800 Message-ID: <020401d70d79$9efeedb0$dcfcc910$@chinatelecom.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0205_01D70DBC.AD2513E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQMHudCcv2i9VZQ2pJmlRmnmbDhOvQHzdnw+AXhAiZEAh5L1oqfr5F4Q Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] =?utf-8?b?5Zue5aSNOiAgQ2FsbCBGb3IgQWRvcHRpb246IGRyYWZ0?= =?utf-8?q?-zhang-bier-bierin6?= X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 02:30:13 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0205_01D70DBC.AD2513E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, =20 +1 with Mike and Adrian. >From the view of an operator, I think both solutions are technically = reasonable and should be adopted as experimental at this stage. Further = implementation and deployment will give more feedback to WG for further = discussion. Thanks. B.R. Zhu Yonging =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: bier-bounces@ietf.org = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Gyan Mishra =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2021=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8827=E6=97=A5 = 0:07 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: adrian@olddog.co.uk =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: BIER WG =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: = draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 =20 As a co-author of both drafts I am in agreement with Adrian=E2=80=99s = comment on suspending the adoption call. =20 Gyan =20 On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 7:20 AM Adrian Farrel > wrote: Since Mike invoked me, I=E2=80=99ll make my adoption comments in = response to his mail. =20 Looking back at the list, I saw a couple of +1s to my suggestion, and a = mumble from an author of draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 about Experimental not = being fair. =20 I=E2=80=99m surprised to see this adoption poll without first resolving = the debate about precedence of I-Ds and not even an announcement from = the chairs about a plan for how the two I-Ds will be progressed. = Adoption, IMHO, is not about whether a draft is technically ready, but = about how the WG wants to address a topic. I don=E2=80=99t think we have = resolved that question, and so I think an adoption poll on one draft = only appears to be prejudging that debate. =20 So I would like us to suspend this adoption poll and sort ourselves out = first. =20 Thanks, Adrian =20 From: BIER > On = Behalf Of Michael McBride Sent: 26 February 2021 06:15 To: gjshep@gmail.com ; BIER WG > Subject: Re: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 =20 Oppose. =20 We are unfortunately no where near consensus on this topic including = this draft. We=E2=80=99ll likely see that during this adoption call. =20 Adrian=E2=80=99s suggestion for consensus remains the best I=E2=80=99ve = heard: simultaneously call to adopt both solutions as experimental. =20 mike =20 From: BIER > On = Behalf Of Greg Shepherd Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 AM To: BIER WG > Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 =20 Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to consensus. = This draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for the = solution.=20 =20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-bier-bierin6/ = =20 =20 Please reply to this thread with your support/opposition of WG adoption = of the draft. =20 Thanks, Shep (Chairs) _______________________________________________ BIER mailing list BIER@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier --=20 =20 Gyan Mishra Network Solutions Architect=20 M 301 502-1347 13101 Columbia Pike=20 Silver Spring, MD =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0205_01D70DBC.AD2513E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = WG,

 

+1 with Mike and = Adrian.

From the view of an = operator, I think both solutions are technically reasonable and should = be adopted as experimental at this stage. Further implementation and = deployment will give more feedback to WG for further discussion. = Thanks.

B.R.=

Zhu = Yonging

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: = bier-bounces@ietf.org <bier-bounces@ietf.org> =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 Gyan = Mishra
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2021=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8827=E6=97=A5 0:07
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: = adrian@olddog.co.uk
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: BIER WG = <bier@ietf.org>
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Bier] Call For = Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6

 

As a co-author of both drafts I am = in agreement with Adrian=E2=80=99s comment on suspending the adoption = call.

 

Gyan

 

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 7:20 AM = Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> = wrote:

Since Mike invoked me, I=E2=80=99ll make my adoption = comments in response to his mail.

 

Looking back at the list, I saw a couple of +1s to my = suggestion, and a mumble from an author of draft-zhang-bier-bierin6 = about Experimental not being fair.

 

I=E2=80=99m surprised to see this adoption poll without = first resolving the debate about precedence of I-Ds and not even an = announcement from the chairs about a plan for how the two I-Ds will be = progressed. Adoption, IMHO, is not about whether a draft is technically = ready, but about how the WG wants to address a topic. I don=E2=80=99t = think we have resolved that question, and so I think an adoption poll on = one draft only appears to be prejudging that = debate.

 

So I would like us to suspend this adoption poll and sort = ourselves out first.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of = Michael McBride
Sent: 26 February 2021 06:15
To: = gjshep@gmail.com; BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Bier] = Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6

 

Oppose.

 

We are unfortunately no where near consensus on this topic = including this draft. We=E2=80=99ll likely see that during this adoption = call.

 

Adrian=E2=80=99s suggestion for consensus remains the best = I=E2=80=99ve heard: simultaneously call to adopt both solutions as = experimental.

 

mike

 

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Greg = Shepherd
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:37 = AM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: [Bier] Call = For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6

 

Thank you all for the active discussion that brought us to = consensus. This draft now addresses all of the points of discussion for = the solution. 

 

 

Please reply to this thread with your = support/opposition of WG adoption of the draft.

 

Thanks,

Shep

(Chairs)

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13101 Columbia Pike 
Silver Spring, = MD

 

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Support the adoption.

 

From: BIER <bier-bounc= es@ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:37 AM
To: BIER WG <bier@ietf.org>
Subject: [Bier] Call For Adoption: draft-zhang-bier-bierin6