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We've updated the main BIMI document[1], the Receiver's Guidance[2],= and introduced an SVG format document[3]. Within the SVG document is an R= NC that can be used to assist with SVG document validation. There is also = a document relating VMCs that has been updated as well. We'd like to continue to work on these with the community, and continue to = incorporate feedback. Also note a group blog post[4] that has similar info= rmation. 1: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-blank-ietf-bimi-01.txt 2: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-brotman-ietf-bimi-guidance-02.txt 3: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.txt 4: https://bimigroup.org/new-bimi-documents-published/ Thank you to all of those involved for their work, and thank you for your f= eedback. -- Alex Brotman Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy Comcast From nobody Tue Aug 18 02:17:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bimi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bimi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5B83A082B for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 02:17:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.078 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.078 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=miadria.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iv62q-rEVBpG for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 02:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ej1-x630.google.com (mail-ej1-x630.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::630]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C3163A086C for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 02:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x630.google.com with SMTP id p24so21181859ejf.13 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 02:17:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=miadria.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=umAcU9b19Crm6k8FM9CB/vX3mCPhtPhNwnNuEoDgKEU=; b=e5CcXCFhtiOUHJr+bsWbz6gz0w48ZW/rwc7T2l2NM5uyThV6TXbBbYrv7IEfZqo/fW MEZCv1bIqoujpcyWFgnW0PWL/42joSbvcYvXOtk63ZEZpzOXIKpDCssX/OQHb6pkTzVA nnUQjpcfzIEX/whYRmvneIc6K748imPiOraTc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=umAcU9b19Crm6k8FM9CB/vX3mCPhtPhNwnNuEoDgKEU=; b=gUnYjx89/mBq75CmH0rsK9eqJ+R37cLOLv/T8pHEAA7ZS/QGJfg9JWQ91JqS9VcUh4 7rvoRbK9LqD2L4FRNS76AR7GftPiIl/OYcnBYimj4IH2tBI/P3GPkIa6Iyk9ypwe782w UvTGTJmIf6zzybRYgEHWhakMnN4qRnh7XdTDFt+h6ndRFOKWpOEjiwt5PLXJlRmF1bSd TceQ0+qkFZHiFTz09KZuK5iXrtPHT1mvlfcGawDRyOmCvwaKpn0vqsNpUQfqmT1/dyRC rl4GNARuB3VuSXkFRT5yS7e+cHxCV7Y3psicVz4yKPX3DdUUeZMS2THcFxFwcn5oi5gq gofQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5306wgxb6DwagmAHxJSfVjyyFsNNMelCIHXKi8Z0Mhnv146P1CSZ QGX0BBwIfbtMNOyQj8leOB3gHGI+tHJjf5DFe9qvTqqLn7QEZu6c55A6ZuNOABYjjAPWOVso4Yi +HmCsZ4jm/wCuukdiOw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy/Jj92902uiYtbY+fGANh5Lr3ewPlmkwyihs+AC5eFqFFNV0Jbvuf6ILK4he/GQoGepPnEmy2W47xomkOlsZc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:35ce:: with SMTP id p14mr19987906ejb.276.1597742263477; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 02:17:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Mladen Baranek Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 11:17:32 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Brotman, Alex" Cc: "BIMI (IETF) (bimi@ietf.org)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000ec62405ad235c53" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bimi] Updated Documents X-BeenThere: bimi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Brand Indicators for Message Identification List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:17:54 -0000 --0000000000000ec62405ad235c53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alex, thank you for the update, we will go through drafts. I would like to implement BIMI validator and enable my company Miadria and our platform UseWise.com to use BIMI, we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI records in DNS for Miadria but the logo is not showing up in gmail or Yahoo mail. What else must we do to get BIMI enabled? Currently we are writing BIMI validator in nodejs to be included in UseWise.com, if you are interested I will let you know when we are finished= . Best regards, Mladen Baranek *Chief Technical Officer* *ADDRESS *Zagreb, Croatia *PHONE *+38513090917 *MOBILE *+385913010924 *EMAIL *mladen@miadria.com *WEB *miadria.com On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Alex wrote: > As folks may have noticed, we've updated many of the documents relating t= o > BIMI. We've updated the main BIMI document[1], the Receiver's Guidance[2= ], > and introduced an SVG format document[3]. Within the SVG document is an > RNC that can be used to assist with SVG document validation. There is al= so > a document relating VMCs that has been updated as well. > > We'd like to continue to work on these with the community, and continue t= o > incorporate feedback. Also note a group blog post[4] that has similar > information. > > 1: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-blank-ietf-bimi-01.txt > 2: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-brotman-ietf-bimi-guidance-02.txt > 3: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.txt > 4: https://bimigroup.org/new-bimi-documents-published/ > > Thank you to all of those involved for their work, and thank you for your > feedback. > > -- > Alex Brotman > Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy > Comcast > > -- > bimi mailing list > bimi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi > --=20 *IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI* Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih=20 prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv je i namijenjen samo osobama ili subjek= tima=20 koji su navedeni kao primatelji. Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1ko= m,=20 molimo odmah obavijestite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke = odmah=20 uklonite s ra=C4=8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribuc= ija=20 svih ili pak samo dijela informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr= =C5=BEane u=20 poruci tre=C4=87im osobama zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski ka=C5=BE= njivo. Primite=20 na znanje da su stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni u poruci autorovi i ne=20 predstavljaju nu=C5=BEno stavove i mi=C5=A1ljenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s= tim=20 Miadria d.o.o. ne prihva=C4=87a nikakvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1t= etu=20 nastalu primitkom ove poruke i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci.=C2=A0 *DISCLAIMER* The contents of this email as well as any files attached to it=20 are confidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which they= =20 are addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, please= =20 notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and all=20 attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distribution= =20 of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third parties is= =20 prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or opinions=20 presented in this message are solely those of the author and do not=20 necessarily represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o.o. Therefore=20 Miadria d.o.o. accepts no liability for any potential damage caused by this= =20 message and files attached to it.=C2=A0 --0000000000000ec62405ad235c53 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Alex,

thank you for the=C2=A0update,= =C2=A0we will go through drafts.=C2=A0

I would lik= e to implement BIMI validator and enable my company=C2=A0Miadria=C2=A0and our platform UseWise.com=C2=A0to use BIMI,
we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and= BIMI records in DNS for Miadria but the logo is not showing up in gmail or= Yahoo mail.=C2=A0=C2=A0

What else must we do to g= et BIMI enabled?

Currently we are writing BIMI val= idator in nodejs to be included in UseWise.com, if you are interested I wil= l let=C2=A0you know when we are finished.

Best = regards,

=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20
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Mladen Baranek
=20 Chief Technical Officer

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ADDRESS=C2=A0=C2=A0Zagreb, Croatia

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PHONE=C2=A0=C2=A0+38513090917

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MOBILE=C2=A0=C2=A0+385913010924

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EMAIL=C2=A0=C2=A0mladen@miadria.com

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WEB=C2=A0=C2=A0miadria.com

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On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Ale= x <Alex_Brotman@comcast.com<= /a>> wrote:
A= s folks may have noticed, we've updated many of the documents relating = to BIMI.=C2=A0 We've updated the main BIMI document[1], the Receiver= 9;s Guidance[2], and introduced an SVG format document[3].=C2=A0 Within the= SVG document is an RNC that can be used to assist with SVG document valida= tion.=C2=A0 There is also a document relating VMCs that has been updated as= well.

We'd like to continue to work on these with the community, and continue= to incorporate feedback.=C2=A0 Also note a group blog post[4] that has sim= ilar information.

1: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-blank-ietf-bimi= -01.txt
2: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-brot= man-ietf-bimi-guidance-02.txt
3: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-p= s-abrotman-00.txt
4: https://bimigroup.org/new-bimi-documents-publi= shed/

Thank you to all of those involved for their work, and thank you for your f= eedback.

--
Alex Brotman
Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy
Comcast

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IZJAVA O OD= RICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI
Sadr=C5=BEaj ove= poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv je i namijenjen samo= osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni kao primatelji. Ukoliko ste ovu po= ruku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odmah obavijestite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a p= oruku i sve njene privitke odmah uklonite s ra=C4=8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objav= ljivanje, kopiranje ili distribucija svih ili pak samo dijela informacija k= oje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5=BEane u poruci tre=C4=87im osobama z= abranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje da = su stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju n= u=C5=BEno stavove i mi=C5=A1ljenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.= o.o. ne prihva=C4=87a nikakvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastal= u primitkom ove poruke i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci.=C2=A0

DISCLAIM= ER
The contents of this email as well= as any files attached to it are confidential and intended solely for indiv= iduals or entities which they are addressed to. If you have received this e= mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently= remove the message and all attached files from the computer. Any disclosur= e, copying or distribution of all or a part of information contained herein= to or by third parties is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that= any views or opinions presented in this message are solely those of the au= thor and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o= .o. Therefore Miadria d.o.o. accepts no liability for any potential damage = caused by this message and files attached to it.=C2=A0
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An authenticated email with this record would receive the following BIMI= results: Authentication-Reults: authservid.example.com; bimi=3Dfail (SVG did not = validate) So it looks like the SVG doesn't comply with the svg tiny ps profile. On Tue, 18 Aug 2020, at 7:17 PM, Mladen Baranek wrote: > Hi Alex, >=20 > thank you for the update, we will go through drafts.=20 >=20 > I would like to implement BIMI validator and enable my company Miadria= and our platform UseWise.com to use BIMI, > we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI records in DNS for Miadria but the l= ogo is not showing up in gmail or Yahoo mail. =20 >=20 > What else must we do to get BIMI enabled? >=20 > Currently we are writing BIMI validator in nodejs to be included in Us= eWise.com, if you are interested I will let you know when we are finishe= d. > Best regards, > Mladen Baranek > *Chief Technical Officer* > *ADDRESS *Zagreb, Croatia > =20 > *PHONE *+38513090917 > =20 > *MOBILE *+385913010924 > =20 > *EMAIL *mladen@miadria.com >=20 > =20 > *WEB *miadria.com > =20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Alex wrote: >> As folks may have noticed, we've updated many of the documents relati= ng to BIMI. We've updated the main BIMI document[1], the Receiver's Gui= dance[2], and introduced an SVG format document[3]. Within the SVG docu= ment is an RNC that can be used to assist with SVG document validation. = There is also a document relating VMCs that has been updated as well. >>=20 >> We'd like to continue to work on these with the community, and contin= ue to incorporate feedback. Also note a group blog post[4] that has sim= ilar information. >>=20 >> 1: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-blank-ietf-bimi-01.txt >> 2: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-brotman-ietf-bimi-guidance-02.txt >> 3: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.txt >> 4: https://bimigroup.org/new-bimi-documents-published/ >>=20 >> Thank you to all of those involved for their work, and thank you for = your feedback. >>=20 >> -- >> Alex Brotman >> Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy >> Comcast >>=20 >> --=20 >> bimi mailing list >> bimi@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi >=20 >=20 > *IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI* > Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv= je i namijenjen samo osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni kao primat= elji. Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odmah obavijes= tite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke odmah uklonite s r= a=C4=8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribucija svih = ili pak samo dijela informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5=BE= ane u poruci tre=C4=87im osobama zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski= ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje da su stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja iznesen= i u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu=C5=BEno stavove i mi=C5=A1ljen= ja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.o.o. ne prihva=C4=87a nikakvu= odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu primitkom ove poruke i p= rivitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci.=20 >=20 > *DISCLAIMER* > The contents of this email as well as any files attached to it are con= fidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which they are= addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, please = notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and all= attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distributi= on of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third parti= es is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or opin= ions presented in this message are solely those of the author and do not= necessarily represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o..o. Therefo= re Miadria d.o.o. accepts no liability for any potential damage caused b= y this message and files attached to it.=20 > --=20 > bimi mailing list > bimi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi >=20 -- Marc Bradshaw marcbradshaw.net | @marcbradshaw --7aa6ea7827dd4cce81afaff91a773e02 Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mladen,
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Our checking tool gives the following result fo= r that domain.

An authenticated email with = this record would receive the following BIMI results:
Auth= entication-Reults: authservid.example.com; bimi=3Dfail (SVG did not vali= date)

So it looks like the SVG doesn't comp= ly with the svg tiny ps profile.

On Tue, 18= Aug 2020, at 7:17 PM, Mladen Baranek wrote:
Hi Alex,

thank you for the update, we will go through d= rafts. 

I would like to implement BIMI= validator and enable my company Mia= dria and our platform UseWise.co= m to use BIMI,
we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI = records in DNS for Miadria but the logo is not showing up in gmail or Ya= hoo mail.  

What else must we do = to get BIMI enabled?

Currently we are = writing BIMI validator in nodejs to be included in UseWise.com, if you a= re interested I will let you know when we are finished.

Best regards,

Mladen Baranek
Chief Technical Officer


ADDRESS  Zagreb, Cr= oatia

 

PHO= NE  +38513090917

 
<= /td>

MOBILE  = +385913010924

 

EMAIL  mladen@miadria.= com


 

WEB  miadria.com

 
=


On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Alex <Alex_Brotman@comcast.com> wrote:
As folks may have noticed, we've updated many of the documen= ts relating to BIMI.  We've updated the main BIMI document[1], the = Receiver's Guidance[2], and introduced an SVG format document[3].  = Within the SVG document is an RNC that can be used to assist with SVG do= cument validation.  There is also a document relating VMCs that has= been updated as well.

We'd like to conti= nue to work on these with the community, and continue to incorporate fee= dback.  Also note a group blog post[4] that has similar information= .


Thank= you to all of those involved for their work, and thank you for your fee= dback.

--
Alex Brotman
=
Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy
Comcast

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IZJAVA O ODRICANJU O= DGOVORNOSTI
Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka = povjerljiv je i namijenjen samo osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni = kao primatelji. Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odma= h obavijestite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke odmah uk= lonite s ra=C4=8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribu= cija svih ili pak samo dijela informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Di= n sadr=C5=BEane u poruci tre=C4=87im osobama zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe b= iti zakonski ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje da su stavovi i mi=C5=A1lj= enja izneseni u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu=C5=BEno stavove i = mi=C5=A1ljenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.o.o. ne prihva=C4= =87a nikakvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu primitkom ov= e poruke i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci. 

DISCLAIMER
The contents = of this email as well as any files attached to it are confidential and i= ntended solely for individuals or entities which they are addressed to. = If you have received this email message in error, please notify the send= er immediately and permanently remove the message and all attached files= from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distribution of all or a = part of information contained herein to or by third parties is prohibite= d and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or opinions presented = in this message are solely those of the author and do not necessarily re= present the views and opinions of Miadria d.o..o. Therefore Miadria d.o.= o. accepts no liability for any potential damage caused by this message = and files attached to it. 
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--7aa6ea7827dd4cce81afaff91a773e02-- From nobody Tue Aug 18 11:15:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bimi@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bimi@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021773A0901 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 11:15:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.078 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.078 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=miadria.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p0ik9sSRi2Ti for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 11:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ej1-x636.google.com (mail-ej1-x636.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::636]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CE883A08EC for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 11:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x636.google.com with SMTP id p24so23166697ejf.13 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 11:15:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=miadria.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OpYGxQNl/Gaz8aYnd7n3UrzzAX+PP249/PEXK910KA4=; b=IrAnYvfl5m9vXe5AqqoLdG6FXuwDvWxxwvP21a0J2GSQYghem4/9P6N2gzB1AAZKwD +h2JTVujp9edVqJpdtTfqdcZ0LxXO2Ap50VWSdaeVI6pRGKzoPTPtc3abxj80mZs1oJU 4IYiSStPQnikHJI9MsMtHqONoxXjmdJ8JEp8E= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OpYGxQNl/Gaz8aYnd7n3UrzzAX+PP249/PEXK910KA4=; b=HdvTdgK8Vtdq2H/RN6QSK/rHLqExyaVeOEgjV9tjrCcRsDOItmcvkJEFrq+PG1RDvy 3yUX7W4nQ773tkDECgY+pCA63Mge81LDt5KDPHhKoQTQyNDpcffYOY0GzcSC0aQxsrvV qUptN5A6GPDv+oFwgBOXV65eEbF7IJnpmKLDxVYslyaKk4GTq4ctRo2Dl1wlm21nulXu V6FtWMHa1cDrmdcNW8cT1P0Cczbn/8234o+nbO3PlIFfrV0O8K3KrU+r44YitKjh91ve Gz0Vfo86FvdfVHNl0wdcbU42Jsp/c0WT6X03sbAEW6/HkcuFN5kAW4zXc8Y6nPgE43rK LwBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5338LlfHde26NUouL4dy7pj3YBz9TC7LzWApNlNz7AIH+JD9bdm2 8XZwz3aA94iWKa6EduLzqxjwNYxrZkAWNEBYCA6fACWlVBfo9bcVuZHtrhdBr1WalMflANlQKJv 8pcXxWkCG2Kwj X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx4LLHhQhwL432w1SQJN9HG5XEMLJuzwpzpiUVKh+U4GzyOVfsZf8rOTlMSS6Ly/8p2ey/GuBRjiGbYBZWA5LI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:454e:: with SMTP id s14mr20882210ejq.147.1597774534841; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 11:15:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <519e6993-ca1f-4817-aace-32dd4bb84859@beta.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <519e6993-ca1f-4817-aace-32dd4bb84859@beta.fastmail.com> From: Mladen Baranek Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:15:23 +0200 Message-ID: To: Marc Bradshaw Cc: "BIMI (IETF) (bimi@ietf.org)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000094b20605ad2adfa9" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bimi] Updated Documents X-BeenThere: bimi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Brand Indicators for Message Identification List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 18:15:40 -0000 --00000000000094b20605ad2adfa9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Thank you for the information. It seems that our designer was not able to produce correct SVG using Adobe Illustrator or Xara Pro. We went through https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.txt a= nd updated SVG manually. What else do we have to do in order to get the logo in Yahoo email or gmail? Best regards, Mladen Baranek *Chief Technical Officer* *ADDRESS *Zagreb, Croatia *PHONE *+38513090917 *MOBILE *+385913010924 *EMAIL *mladen@miadria.com *WEB *miadria.com On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:58 PM Marc Bradshaw wrote: > Hi Mladen, > > Our checking tool gives the following result for that domain. > > An authenticated email with this record would receive the following BIMI > results: > Authentication-Reults: authservid.example.com; bimi=3Dfail (SVG did not > validate) > > So it looks like the SVG doesn't comply with the svg tiny ps profile. > > On Tue, 18 Aug 2020, at 7:17 PM, Mladen Baranek wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > thank you for the update, we will go through drafts. > > I would like to implement BIMI validator and enable my company Miadria > and our platform UseWise.com to use BIMI, > we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI records in DNS for Miadria but the logo > is not showing up in gmail or Yahoo mail. > > What else must we do to get BIMI enabled? > > Currently we are writing BIMI validator in nodejs to be included in > UseWise.com, if you are interested I will let you know when we are finish= ed. > > Best regards, > > Mladen Baranek > *Chief Technical Officer* > > > > *ADDRESS *Zagreb, Croatia > > > *PHONE *+38513090917 > > > *MOBILE *+385913010924 > > > *EMAIL *mladen@miadria.com > > > > *WEB *miadria.com > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Alex > wrote: > > As folks may have noticed, we've updated many of the documents relating t= o > BIMI. We've updated the main BIMI document[1], the Receiver's Guidance[2= ], > and introduced an SVG format document[3]. Within the SVG document is an > RNC that can be used to assist with SVG document validation. There is al= so > a document relating VMCs that has been updated as well. > > We'd like to continue to work on these with the community, and continue t= o > incorporate feedback. Also note a group blog post[4] that has similar > information.. > > 1: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-blank-ietf-bimi-01.txt > 2: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-brotman-ietf-bimi-guidance-02.txt > 3: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.txt > 4: https://bimigroup.org/new-bimi-documents-published/ > > Thank you to all of those involved for their work, and thank you for your > feedback. > > -- > Alex Brotman > Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy > Comcast > > -- > bimi mailing list > bimi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi > > > > *IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI* > Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv je= i > namijenjen samo osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni kao primatelji. > Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odmah obavijestite > po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke odmah uklonite s ra=C4= =8Dunala. Bilo > kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribucija svih ili pak samo dijela > informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5=BEane u poruci tre=C4= =87im osobama > zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje = da su > stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu= =C5=BEno > stavove i mi=C5=A1ljenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.o.o. ne > prihva=C4=87a nikakvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu prim= itkom ove > poruke i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci. > > *DISCLAIMER* > The contents of this email as well as any files attached to it are > confidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which they a= re > addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and all > attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distribution > of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third parties i= s > prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or opinions > presented in this message are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o..o. Therefore > Miadria d.o.o. accepts no liability for any potential damage caused by th= is > message and files attached to it. > -- > bimi mailing list > bimi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi > > > -- > > Marc Bradshaw > marcbradshaw.net | @marcbradshaw > > > -- > bimi mailing list > bimi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi > --=20 *IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI* Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih=20 prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv je i namijenjen samo osobama ili subjek= tima=20 koji su navedeni kao primatelji. Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1ko= m,=20 molimo odmah obavijestite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke = odmah=20 uklonite s ra=C4=8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribuc= ija=20 svih ili pak samo dijela informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr= =C5=BEane u=20 poruci tre=C4=87im osobama zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski ka=C5=BE= njivo. Primite=20 na znanje da su stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni u poruci autorovi i ne=20 predstavljaju nu=C5=BEno stavove i mi=C5=A1ljenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s= tim=20 Miadria d.o.o. ne prihva=C4=87a nikakvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1t= etu=20 nastalu primitkom ove poruke i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci.=C2=A0 *DISCLAIMER* The contents of this email as well as any files attached to it=20 are confidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which they= =20 are addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, please= =20 notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and all=20 attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distribution= =20 of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third parties is= =20 prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or opinions=20 presented in this message are solely those of the author and do not=20 necessarily represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o.o. Therefore=20 Miadria d.o.o. accepts no liability for any potential damage caused by this= =20 message and files attached to it.=C2=A0 --00000000000094b20605ad2adfa9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Thank you for the information.=20 It seems that our designer was not able to produce correct SVG using Adobe = Illustrator or Xara Pro.=C2=A0

We went through=C2= =A0https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-p= s-abrotman-00.txt=C2=A0and updated SVG manually.

What else do we have to do in order to get the logo in Yahoo email or gm= ail?=C2=A0

=C2=A0Best regards,

=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20
=20

Mladen Baranek
=20 Chief Technical Officer

=20
=20

ADDRESS=C2=A0=C2=A0Zagreb, Croatia

=20 		=C2=A0
=20

PHONE=C2=A0=C2=A0+38513090917

=20 		=C2=A0
=20

MOBILE=C2=A0=C2=A0+385913010924

=20 		=C2=A0
=20

EMAIL=C2=A0=C2=A0mladen@miadria.com

=20 		=C2=A0
=20

WEB=C2=A0=C2=A0miadria.com

=20 		=C2=A0


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:58 PM Marc Bradshaw= <marc=3D40marcbrad= shaw.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Hi Mladen,

=
Our checking tool gives the following result for that domain.

An authenticated email with this record would receive = the following BIMI results:

=

On Tue, 18 Aug 2020, at 7:17 PM, Mladen Baranek wrote:<= br>
Hi Alex,

thank you for the= =C2=A0update,=C2=A0we will go through drafts.=C2=A0

we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI records in = DNS for Miadria but the logo is not showing up in gmail or Yahoo mail.=C2= =A0=C2=A0

What else must we do to get BIMI ena= bled?

Currently we are writing BIMI valid= ator in nodejs to be included in UseWise.com, if you are interested I will = let=C2=A0you know when we are finished.

B= est regards,

M= laden Baranek
Chief Technical Officer=

=

ADDRESS=C2=A0=C2=A0Zagreb, Croatia

=C2=A0

PHONE=C2=A0=C2=A0= +38513090917

=C2=A0

MOBILE=C2=A0=C2=A0+3859= 13010924

=C2=A0

EMAIL=C2=A0=C2=A0mladen@miadria.com

<= br>
=C2=A0

WEB=C2=A0=C2=A0miadria.com

=C2=A0
=

On Wed, Aug 12, = 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Alex <Alex_Brotman@comcast.com> wrote:
As folks may have noticed, we've updated m= any of the documents relating to BIMI.=C2=A0 We've updated the main BIM= I document[1], the Receiver's Guidance[2], and introduced an SVG format= document[3].=C2=A0 Within the SVG document is an RNC that can be used to a= ssist with SVG document validation.=C2=A0 There is also a document relating= VMCs that has been updated as well.

We'= d like to continue to work on these with the community, and continue to inc= orporate feedback.=C2=A0 Also note a group blog post[4] that has similar in= formation..

2: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-brotman-i= etf-bimi-guidance-02.txt
=

Thank you to all of those in= volved for their work, and thank you for your feedback.

=
--
Alex Brotman
Sr. Engineer, Ant= i-Abuse & Messaging Policy
Comcast


=
IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOST= I
Sadr=C5=BEaj ove = poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv je i namijenjen samo = osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni kao primatelji. Ukoliko ste ovu por= uku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odmah obavijestite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a po= ruku i sve njene privitke odmah uklonite s ra=C4=8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objavl= jivanje, kopiranje ili distribucija svih ili pak samo dijela informacija ko= je su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5=BEane u poruci tre=C4=87im osobama za= branjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje da s= u stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu= =C5=BEno stavove i mi=C5=A1ljenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.o= .o. ne prihva=C4=87a nikakvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu= primitkom ove poruke i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci.=C2=A0
=

DISCLAIMER
The contents of this email as well as any files attached to = it are confidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which t= hey are addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, ple= ase notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and al= l attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distribution= of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third parties is= prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or opinions pre= sented in this message are solely those of the author and do not necessaril= y represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o..o. Therefore Miadria d.o= .o. accepts no liability for any potential damage caused by this message an= d files attached to it.=C2=A0
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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 18:30:53 -0000 --000000000000ffc07f05ad2b152c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I updated SVG today after you wrote to me that the SVG logo failed BIMI validation. Mladen Baranek *Chief Technical Officer* *ADDRESS *Zagreb, Croatia *PHONE *+38513090917 *MOBILE *+385913010924 *EMAIL *mladen@miadria.com *WEB *miadria.com On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:28 PM Brotman, Alex wrote: > Are you saying that you just updated the SVG today? Or that you had done > so previously? > > > > -- > > Alex Brotman > > Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy > > Comcast > > > > *From:* bimi *On Behalf Of * Mladen Baranek > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:15 PM > *To:* Marc Bradshaw > *Cc:* BIMI (IETF) (bimi@ietf.org) > *Subject:* Re: [Bimi] Updated Documents > > > > Hi, > > > > Thank you for the information. It seems that our designer was not able to > produce correct SVG using Adobe Illustrator or Xara Pro. > > > > We went through https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.txt > and > updated SVG manually. > > > > What else do we have to do in order to get the logo in Yahoo email or > gmail? > > Best regards, > > > *Mladen Baranek **Chief Technical Officer* > > > > > *ADDRESS *Zagreb, Croatia > > > > *PHONE *+38513090917 > > > > *MOBILE *+385913010924 > > > > *EMAIL *mladen@miadria.com > > > > *WEB *miadria.com > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:58 PM Marc Bradshaw 40marcbradshaw.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hi Mladen, > > > > Our checking tool gives the following result for that domain. > > > > An authenticated email with this record would receive the following BIMI > results: > > Authentication-Reults: authservid.example.com > ; > bimi=3Dfail (SVG did not validate) > > > > So it looks like the SVG doesn't comply with the svg tiny ps profile. > > > > On Tue, 18 Aug 2020, at 7:17 PM, Mladen Baranek wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > > > thank you for the update, we will go through drafts. > > > > I would like to implement BIMI validator and enable my company Miadria > and > our platform UseWise.com > to > use BIMI, > > we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI records in DNS for Miadria but the logo > is not showing up in gmail or Yahoo mail. > > > > What else must we do to get BIMI enabled? > > > > Currently we are writing BIMI validator in nodejs to be included in > UseWise.com, if you are interested I will let you know when we are finish= ed. > > Best regards, > > Mladen Baranek > > *Chief Technical Officer* > > > > > *ADDRESS *Zagreb, Croatia > > > > *PHONE *+38513090917 > > > > *MOBILE *+385913010924 > > > > *EMAIL *mladen@miadria.com > > > > *WEB *miadria.com > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Alex > wrote: > > As folks may have noticed, we've updated many of the documents relating t= o > BIMI. We've updated the main BIMI document[1], the Receiver's Guidance[2= ], > and introduced an SVG format document[3]. Within the SVG document is an > RNC that can be used to assist with SVG document validation. There is al= so > a document relating VMCs that has been updated as well. > > > > We'd like to continue to work on these with the community, and continue t= o > incorporate feedback. Also note a group blog post[4] that has similar > information.. > > > > 1: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-blank-ietf-bimi-01.txt > > > 2: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-brotman-ietf-bimi-guidance-02.txt > > > 3: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.txt > > > 4: https://bimigroup.org/new-bimi-documents-published/ > > > > > Thank you to all of those involved for their work, and thank you for your > feedback. > > > > -- > > Alex Brotman > > Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy > > Comcast > > > > -- > > bimi mailing list > > bimi@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi > > > > > > > *IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI* > > Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv je= i > namijenjen samo osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni kao primatelji. > Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odmah obavijestite > po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke odmah uklonite s ra=C4= =8Dunala. Bilo > kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribucija svih ili pak samo dijela > informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5=BEane u poruci tre=C4= =87im osobama > zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje = da su > stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu= =C5=BEno > stavove i mi=C5=A1ljenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.o..o. ne > prihva=C4=87a nikakvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu prim= itkom ove > poruke i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci. > > > > *DISCLAIMER* > > The contents of this email as well as any files attached to it are > confidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which they a= re > addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and all > attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distribution > of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third parties i= s > prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or opinions > presented in this message are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o..o. Therefore > Miadria d.o..o. accepts no liability for any potential damage caused by > this message and files attached to it. > > -- > > bimi mailing list > > bimi@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi > > > > > > > -- > > Marc Bradshaw > > marcbradshaw.net > > | @marcbradshaw > > > > > > > -- > bimi mailing list > bimi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi > > > > > > > *IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI* > > Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv je= i > namijenjen samo osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni kao primatelji. > Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odmah obavijestite > po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke odmah uklonite s ra=C4= =8Dunala. Bilo > kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribucija svih ili pak samo dijela > informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5=BEane u poruci tre=C4= =87im osobama > zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje = da su > stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu= =C5=BEno > stavove i mi=C5=A1ljenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.o.o. ne > prihva=C4=87a nikakvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu prim= itkom ove > poruke i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci. > > > > *DISCLAIMER* > > The contents of this email as well as any files attached to it are > confidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which they a= re > addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and all > attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distribution > of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third parties i= s > prohibited and may be unlawful. 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On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:28 PM Brotman, Alex= <Alex_Brotman@comcast.com> wrote:

Are you saying that you just updated the SVG today? = Or that you had done so previously?

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Alex Brotman

Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy

Comcast

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From: bimi <bimi-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of = Mladen Baranek
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:15 PM
To: Marc Bradshaw <marc=3D40marcbradshaw.net@dmarc.ietf.org> Cc: BIMI (IETF) (= bimi@ietf.org) <b= imi@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Bimi] Updated Documents

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Hi,

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Thank you for the information. It seems that our des= igner was not able to produce correct SVG using Adobe Illustrator or Xara P= ro.=C2=A0

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We went through=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00= .txt=C2=A0and updated SVG manually.

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What else do we have to do in order to get the logo = in Yahoo email or gmail?=C2=A0

=C2=A0Best regards,

Mladen Baranek
Chief Technical Officer<= /u>

ADDRESS=C2=A0=C2=A0<= /strong>Zagreb, Croatia=

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PHONE=C2=A0=C2=A0+38513090917

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MOBILE=C2=A0=C2=A0+385913010924

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EMAIL=C2=A0=C2=A0mladen@miadria.com

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WEB=C2=A0=C2=A0miadria.com

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On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:58 PM Marc Bradshaw <ma= rc=3D40marcbradshaw.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hi Mladen,

=C2=A0

Our checking tool gives the following result for tha= t domain.

=C2=A0

An authenticated email with this record would receiv= e the following BIMI results:

Authentication-Reults: authservid.example.com; bimi=3Dfail (SVG did not validate)

=C2=A0

So it looks like the SVG doesn't comply with the= svg tiny ps profile.

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On Tue, 18 Aug 2020, at 7:17 PM, Mladen Baranek wrot= e:

Hi Alex,

=C2=A0

thank you for the=C2=A0update,=C2=A0we will go throu= gh drafts.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I would like to implement BIMI validator and enable = my company=C2=A0Miadria=C2=A0and our platform UseWise.com=C2=A0to use BIMI,

we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI records in DNS for= Miadria but the logo is not showing up in gmail or Yahoo mail.=C2=A0=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

What else must we do to get BIMI enabled?<= /u>

=C2=A0

Currently we are writing BIMI validator in nodejs to= be included in UseWise.com, if you are interested I will let=C2=A0you know= when we are finished.

Best regards,

Mladen = Baranek

Chief Technical Officer

ADDRESS=C2=A0=C2=A0Zagreb, Croatia

=C2=A0

PHONE=C2=A0=C2=A0+38513090917

=C2=A0

MOBILE=C2=A0=C2=A0+385913010924

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EMAIL=C2=A0=C2=A0mladen@miadria.com<= u>

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WEB=C2=A0=C2=A0miadria.com

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On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Alex <<= a href=3D"mailto:Alex_Brotman@comcast.com" target=3D"_blank">Alex_Brotman@c= omcast.com> wrote:

As folks may have noticed, we've updated many of= the documents relating to BIMI.=C2=A0 We've updated the main BIMI docu= ment[1], the Receiver's Guidance[2], and introduced an SVG format docum= ent[3].=C2=A0 Within the SVG document is an RNC that can be used to assist with SVG document validation.=C2=A0 There is also a docu= ment relating VMCs that has been updated as well.

=C2=A0

We'd like to continue to work on these with the = community, and continue to incorporate feedback.=C2=A0 Also note a group bl= og post[4] that has similar information..

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thank you to all of those involved for their work, a= nd thank you for your feedback.

=C2=A0

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Comcast

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MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-191-gef79d59-fm-20200818.001-gef79d590 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <29d12e82-fc16-438f-920c-4eae5ef2ffe3@beta.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <519e6993-ca1f-4817-aace-32dd4bb84859@beta.fastmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:26:20 +1000 From: "Marc Bradshaw" To: "Mladen Baranek" Cc: "BIMI (IETF) (bimi@ietf.org)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=45983ffb752243bca35f7f1ae13d1dba Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bimi] Updated Documents X-BeenThere: bimi@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Brand Indicators for Message Identification List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 23:26:47 -0000 --45983ffb752243bca35f7f1ae13d1dba Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mladen, The SVG is now passing our validator... An authenticated email with this record would receive the following BIMI= results: Authentication-Results: authservid.example.com; bimi=3Dpass header.d=3Dm= iadria.com header.selector=3Ddefault BIMI-Indicator: PHN2ZyB2ZXJzaW9uPSIxLjIiIHhtbG5zPSJodHRwOi8vd3d3LnczLm9y= Zy8yMDAwL3N2Zy Igd2lkdGg9IjMwMCIgaGVpZ2h0PSIzMDAiIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCAyOC4zIDI4LjMiIG= Jh c2VQcm9maWxlPSJ0aW55LXBzIj48dGl0bGU+TWlhZHJpYTwvdGl0bGU+PHBhdGggZmls= bD 0iI0JGMTgxOCIgZD0iTTAsMHYyOC4zaDI4LjNWMEgweiBNMTEuMSwyNy43SDYuOFY0Lj= Ro NC4zVjI3Ljd6IE0yMiwyNy43aC00LjNWNC40SDIyVjI3Ljd6Ii8+PC9zdmc+Cg=3D=3D= BIMI-Location: v=3DBIMI1; l=3Dhttps://www.miadria.com/mlogo.svg As others have already said, individual receivers are likely to have the= ir own requirements at this stage in addition to the purely technical re= quirements. On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, at 4:15 AM, Mladen Baranek wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Thank you for the information. It seems that our designer was not able= to produce correct SVG using Adobe Illustrator or Xara Pro.=20 >=20 > We went through https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.= txt and updated SVG manually. >=20 > What else do we have to do in order to get the logo in Yahoo email or = gmail?=20 > Best regards, > Mladen Baranek > *Chief Technical Officer* > *ADDRESS *Zagreb, Croatia > =20 > *PHONE *+38513090917 > =20 > *MOBILE *+385913010924 > =20 > *EMAIL *mladen@miadria.com >=20 > =20 > *WEB *miadria.com > =20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:58 PM Marc Bradshaw wrote: >> __ >> Hi Mladen, >>=20 >> Our checking tool gives the following result for that domain. >>=20 >> An authenticated email with this record would receive the following B= IMI results: >> Authentication-Reults: authservid.example.com; bimi=3Dfail (SVG did n= ot validate) >>=20 >> So it looks like the SVG doesn't comply with the svg tiny ps profile.= >>=20 >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2020, at 7:17 PM, Mladen Baranek wrote: >>> Hi Alex, >>>=20 >>> thank you for the update, we will go through drafts.=20 >>>=20 >>> I would like to implement BIMI validator and enable my company Miadr= ia and our platform UseWise.com to use BIMI, >>> we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI records in DNS for Miadria but the= logo is not showing up in gmail or Yahoo mail. =20 >>>=20 >>> What else must we do to get BIMI enabled? >>>=20 >>> Currently we are writing BIMI validator in nodejs to be included in = UseWise.com, if you are interested I will let you know when we are finis= hed. >>> Best regards, >>>=20 >>> Mladen Baranek >>> *Chief Technical Officer* >>>=20 >>> *ADDRESS *Zagreb, Croatia >>> =20 >>> *PHONE *+38513090917 >>> =20 >>> *MOBILE *+385913010924 >>> =20 >>> *EMAIL *mladen@miadria.com >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> *WEB *miadria.com >>> =20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Alex wrote: >>>> As folks may have noticed, we've updated many of the documents rela= ting to BIMI. We've updated the main BIMI document[1], the Receiver's G= uidance[2], and introduced an SVG format document[3]. Within the SVG do= cument is an RNC that can be used to assist with SVG document validation= . There is also a document relating VMCs that has been updated as well.= >>>>=20 >>>> We'd like to continue to work on these with the community, and cont= inue to incorporate feedback. Also note a group blog post[4] that has s= imilar information.. >>>>=20 >>>> 1: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-blank-ietf-bimi-01.txt >>>> 2: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-brotman-ietf-bimi-guidance-02.txt >>>> 3: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.txt >>>> 4: https://bimigroup.org/new-bimi-documents-published/ >>>>=20 >>>> Thank you to all of those involved for their work, and thank you fo= r your feedback. >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Alex Brotman >>>> Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy >>>> Comcast >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> bimi mailing list >>>> bimi@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> *IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI* >>> Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerlj= iv je i namijenjen samo osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni kao prim= atelji. Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odmah obavij= estite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke odmah uklonite s= ra=C4=8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribucija svi= h ili pak samo dijela informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5= =BEane u poruci tre=C4=87im osobama zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakon= ski ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje da su stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izne= seni u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu=C5=BEno stavove i mi=C5=A1l= jenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.o..o. ne prihva=C4=87a nik= akvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu primitkom ove poruke= i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci.=20 >>>=20 >>> *DISCLAIMER* >>> The contents of this email as well as any files attached to it are c= onfidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which they a= re addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, pleas= e notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and a= ll attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distribu= tion of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third par= ties is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or op= inions presented in this message are solely those of the author and do n= ot necessarily represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o..o. There= fore Miadria d.o..o. accepts no liability for any potential damage cause= d by this message and files attached to it.=20 >>> --=20 >>> bimi mailing list >>> bimi@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi >>>=20 >>=20 >> -- >>=20 >> Marc Bradshaw >> marcbradshaw.net | @marcbradshaw = >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> bimi mailing list >> bimi@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bimi >=20 >=20 > *IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI* > Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv= je i namijenjen samo osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni kao primat= elji. Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odmah obavijes= tite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke odmah uklonite s r= a=C4=8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribucija svih = ili pak samo dijela informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5=BE= ane u poruci tre=C4=87im osobama zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski= ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje da su stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja iznesen= i u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu=C5=BEno stavove i mi=C5=A1ljen= ja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.o.o. ne prihva=C4=87a nikakvu= odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu primitkom ove poruke i p= rivitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci.=20 >=20 > *DISCLAIMER* > The contents of this email as well as any files attached to it are con= fidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which they are= addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, please = notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and all= attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distributi= on of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third parti= es is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or opin= ions presented in this message are solely those of the author and do not= necessarily represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o..o. Therefo= re Miadria d.o.o. accepts no liability for any potential damage caused b= y this message and files attached to it.=20 -- Marc Bradshaw marcbradshaw.net | @marcbradshaw --45983ffb752243bca35f7f1ae13d1dba Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mladen,
<= /div>

The SVG is now passing our validator...

An authenticated email with this record would rece= ive the following BIMI results:
Authentication-Results: au= thservid.example.com; bimi=3Dpass header.d=3Dmiadria.com header.selector= =3Ddefault
BIMI-Indicator: PHN2ZyB2ZXJzaW9uPSIxLjIiIHhtbG5= zPSJodHRwOi8vd3d3LnczLm9yZy8yMDAwL3N2Zy
   = Igd2lkdGg9IjMwMCIgaGVpZ2h0PSIzMDAiIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCAyOC4zIDI4LjMiIGJh<= br>
    c2VQcm9maWxlPSJ0aW55LXBzIj48dGl0bGU+TWl= hZHJpYTwvdGl0bGU+PHBhdGggZmlsbD
    0iI0JGM= TgxOCIgZD0iTTAsMHYyOC4zaDI4LjNWMEgweiBNMTEuMSwyNy43SDYuOFY0LjRo
    NC4zVjI3Ljd6IE0yMiwyNy43aC00LjNWNC40SDIyVjI3Ljd= 6Ii8+PC9zdmc+Cg=3D=3D
BIMI-Location: v=3DBIMI1;
<= div>    l=3Dhttps://www.miadria.com/mlogo.svg

As o= thers have already said, individual receivers are likely to have their o= wn requirements at this stage in addition to the purely technical requir= ements.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, at 4:15 AM, Ml= aden Baranek wrote:
Hi,

Thank you for = the information.=20 It seems that our designer was not able to produce correct SVG using Ado= be Illustrator or Xara Pro. 

We went t= hrough https://www.ietf.org/id/d= raft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman-00.txt and updated SVG manually.
<= /div>

What else do we have to do in order to get the = logo in Yahoo email or gmail? 

 Best regards,

Mladen Baranek=
Chief = Technical Officer


ADDRESS  Zagreb, Croatia

 

PHONE  +38513090917

 
=

MOBILE  +385913010924
=

 

EMAIL &= nbsp;mladen@miadria.com


 
=

WEB  m= iadria.com

 


On Tue, Au= g 18, 2020 at 1:58 PM Marc Bradshaw <marc=3D40marcbradshaw.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wr= ote:

Hi Mladen,
<= br>
Our checking tool gives the following result for that doma= in.

An authenticated email with this record= would receive the following BIMI results:
Authentication-= Reults: auth= servid.example.com; bimi=3Dfail (SVG did not validate)

So it looks like the SVG doesn't comply with the svg tin= y ps profile.

On Tue, 18 Aug 2020, at 7:17 = PM, Mladen Baranek wrote:
Hi Alex,

thank you for the update, we will go through = drafts. 

I would like to implement BIM= I validator and enable my company Miadria and our platform UseWise.com to use BIMI,
we have SPF, DKIM, DMARC and BIMI records in DNS for Miadria but the = logo is not showing up in gmail or Yahoo mail.  

What else must we do to get BIMI enabled?
=
Currently we are writing BIMI validator in nodejs to= be included in UseWise.com, if you are interested I will let you k= now when we are finished.

Best regards= ,

=


Mladen Baranek
Chief Technical Officer



= ADDRESS  Zagreb, Croatia

 

PHONE  = +38513090917

 

= MOBILE  <= /span>+385913010924

 

EMAIL  mladen@miadria.com

 


On Wed, Aug= 12, 2020 at 11:16 PM Brotman, Alex <Alex_Brotman@comcast.com> wrote:
As folks may = have noticed, we've updated many of the documents relating to BIMI. = ; We've updated the main BIMI document[1], the Receiver's Guidance[2], a= nd introduced an SVG format document[3].  Within the SVG document i= s an RNC that can be used to assist with SVG document validation.  = There is also a document relating VMCs that has been updated as well.

We'd like to continue to work on these with t= he community, and continue to incorporate feedback.  Also note a gr= oup blog post[4] that has similar information..

=


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IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOV= ORNOSTI
Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih prilo= =C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv je i namijenjen samo osobama ili subjekti= ma koji su navedeni kao primatelji. Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5= =A1kom, molimo odmah obavijestite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njen= e privitke odmah uklonite s ra=C4=8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objavljivanje, kop= iranje ili distribucija svih ili pak samo dijela informacija koje su na = bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5=BEane u poruci tre=C4=87im osobama zabranje= no je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski ka=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje da su s= tavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu= =C5=BEno stavove i mi=C5=A1ljenja Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria = d.o..o. ne prihva=C4=87a nikakvu odgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu = nastalu primitkom ove poruke i privitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci. <= /span>

DISCLAIMER
The contents of this email as well as any files attached to it are = confidential and intended solely for individuals or entities which they = are addressed to. If you have received this email message in error, plea= se notify the sender immediately and permanently remove the message and = all attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, copying or distrib= ution of all or a part of information contained herein to or by third pa= rties is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that any views or o= pinions presented in this message are solely those of the author and do = not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Miadria d.o..o. Ther= efore Miadria d.o..o. accepts no liability for any potential damage caus= ed by this message and files attached to it. 
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--=

  Marc Bradshaw


--


IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI
Sa= dr=C5=BEaj ove poruke kao i svih prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka povjerljiv je = i namijenjen samo osobama ili subjektima koji su navedeni kao primatelji= . Ukoliko ste ovu poruku primili gre=C5=A1kom, molimo odmah obavijestite= po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve njene privitke odmah uklonite s ra=C4= =8Dunala. Bilo kakvo objavljivanje, kopiranje ili distribucija svih ili = pak samo dijela informacija koje su na bilo koji na=C4=8Din sadr=C5=BEan= e u poruci tre=C4=87im osobama zabranjeno je i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski k= a=C5=BEnjivo. Primite na znanje da su stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni = u poruci autorovi i ne predstavljaju nu=C5=BEno stavove i mi=C5=A1ljenja= Miadria d.o.o. U skladu s tim Miadria d.o.o. ne prihva=C4=87a nikakvu o= dgovornost za potencijalnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu primitkom ove poruke i pri= vitaka sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci. 

DISCLAIMER
The contents of this email a= s well as any files attached to it are confidential and intended solely = for individuals or entities which they are addressed to. If you have rec= eived this email message in error, please notify the sender immediately = and permanently remove the message and all attached files from the compu= ter. Any disclosure, copying or distribution of all or a part of informa= tion contained herein to or by third parties is prohibited and may be un= lawful. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this message= are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the vie= ws and opinions of Miadria d.o..o. Therefore Miadria d.o.o. accepts no l= iability for any potential damage caused by this message and files attac= hed to it. 

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If a participant does not have a PEM available (= seems by the text it may not be required everywhere), how should the DNS re= cord be constructed? It might be a good way for a domain holder to get som= e introductory experience with BIMI. Also, I saw in the blog post you're working on your validator, however didn= 't mention if it is ready for beta/production use at this point. -- Alex Brotman Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy Comcast > -----Original Message----- > From: bimi On Behalf Of Jakub Olexa > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:32 AM > To: bimi@ietf.org > Subject: [Bimi] Guide to BIMI > > Hi all, > > we have published a guide on how to create a "proper" SVG for BIMI using > Adobe Illustrator. The guide is available at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.mailkit.com/resources/blog/ulti > mate-guide- > bimi__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!USxQoaxjx22EBZwnV8FF8OHg4V368B5KAPxhQeVuYo > YbljUijZakkVhFLvkJVgf0sw25sg8$ > > We have also updated the BIMI validator > (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.mailkit.com/resources/bimi- > inspector__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!USxQoaxjx22EBZwnV8FF8OHg4V368B5KAPxhQe > VuYoYbljUijZakkVhFLvkJVgf0yPXKQRw$ > inspector__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!USxQoaxjx22EBZwnV8FF8OHg4V368B5KAPxhQe > VuYoYbljUijZakkVhFLvkJVgf0yPXKQRw$ >) today to provide more detailed > responses related to common issues - mostly related to differences in SVG > Tiny 1.2 and SVG Tiny P/S. 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I have extended the part about VMCs to provide more information regarding BIMI records without certificate. We will be publishing a separate articale on VMCs soon as we receive a lot of questions about this topic. Our validator is linked in the article and has been running as a beta for almost a year now (and it will be beta until all parts of BIMI are standardized). It is production ready and we offer an API to interested parties to make direct queries. It's not setup for batch validation yet though so we ask those using our validator not to flood it with hundreds of requests at once. Jakub Olexa Founder & CEO E-mail: jakub@mailkit.com Tel: +420 777 744 440 Mailkit - Closing the circle between Deliverability and Engagement On 28.8.2020 15:05, Brotman, Alex wrote: > Jakub, > > Overall, a good guide, and good intro to BIMI and some of the particula= rs of getting it functional. If a participant does not have a PEM avail= able (seems by the text it may not be required everywhere), how should th= e DNS record be constructed? It might be a good way for a domain holder = to get some introductory experience with BIMI. > > Also, I saw in the blog post you're working on your validator, however = didn't mention if it is ready for beta/production use at this point. > > -- > Alex Brotman > Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy > Comcast > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bimi On Behalf Of Jakub Olexa >> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:32 AM >> To: bimi@ietf.org >> Subject: [Bimi] Guide to BIMI >> >> Hi all, >> >> we have published a guide on how to create a "proper" SVG for BIMI usi= ng >> Adobe Illustrator. The guide is available at >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.mailkit.com/resources/blog/ult= i >> mate-guide- >> bimi__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!USxQoaxjx22EBZwnV8FF8OHg4V368B5KAPxhQeVuYo >> YbljUijZakkVhFLvkJVgf0sw25sg8$ >> >> We have also updated the BIMI validator >> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.mailkit.com/resources/bimi- >> inspector__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!USxQoaxjx22EBZwnV8FF8OHg4V368B5KAPxhQe >> VuYoYbljUijZakkVhFLvkJVgf0yPXKQRw$ >> > inspector__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!USxQoaxjx22EBZwnV8FF8OHg4V368B5KAPxhQe >> VuYoYbljUijZakkVhFLvkJVgf0yPXKQRw$ >) today to provide more detailed >> responses related to common issues - mostly related to differences in = SVG >> Tiny 1.2 and SVG Tiny P/S. 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Alex,

thanks for the notes. I have extended the part about VMCs to provide more information regarding BIMI records without certificate. We will be publishing a separate articale on VMCs soon as we receive a lot of questions about this topic.

Our validator is linked in the article and has been running as a beta for almost a year now (and it will be beta until all parts of BIMI are standardized). It is production ready and we offer an API to interested parties to make direct queries. It's not setup for batch validation yet though so we ask those using our validator not to flood it with hundreds of requests at once.

Jakub Olexa
= Founder & CEO
= E-mail: jakub= @mailkit.com
= Tel: +420 777 744 440

Mailkit - Closing the circle between Deliverability and Engagement

On 28.8.2020 15:05, Brotman, Alex wrote:
Jakub,

Overall, a good guide, and good intro to BIMI and some of the particulars=
 of getting it functional.   If a participant does not have a PEM availab=
le (seems by the text it may not be required everywhere), how should the =
DNS record be constructed?  It might be a good way for a domain holder to=
 get some introductory experience with BIMI.

Also, I saw in the blog post you're working on your validator, however di=
dn't mention if it is ready for beta/production use at this point.

--
Alex Brotman
Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy
Comcast


-----Original Message-----=

From: bimi <bimi-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jakub Olexa
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:32 AM
To: b=
imi@ietf.org
Subject: [Bimi] Guide to BIMI

Hi all,

we have published a guide on how to create a "proper" SVG for BIMI using
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--

Jakub Olexa
Founder & CEO
E-mail: jakub@mailkit.com <mailto:jakub@mailkit.com>
Tel: +420 777 744 440 <tel:+420777744440>

Mailkit - Closing the circle between Deliverability and Engagement
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Hi,

I consider text and font elements as potentionally abuseable especially
in context of use of the SVG Tiny P/S for BIMI logos.

Text - a brand logo should always have the text converted to curves as
that is the only way to make sure it will be represented as it should.
It could lead to minor rendering differences that could lead to brand
complaints.

Fonts - increases the SVG file size. When I tested this the results were
abysmal - essentially most of the exports resulted in massive files - 4
glyphs up to 8kb SVG, all glyphs of a single font easily in 200kb+...
and most importantly they did not render correctly under chrome, IE or
FF but Times is being used instead.

This brings in the abuse vector - I could create an SVG with custom
glyphs that will result in a completely different output if rendered
correctly (using the glyphs). Essentially I could have an SVG that reads
"Hello" in Chrome, IE, FF and most rendering engines while resulting in
a logo of a bank in a rendering engine with more advanced support of glyp=
hs.

This could lead to logos being rendered not only incorrectly using
incorrect typeface but more importanlty logos that may render a
completely different content in specific engines.

This is bad user experience and could make brand managers resent BIMI.
It's better to keep it simple and restrict these elements rather than
getting surprising results in the output in my opinion.

Jakub Olexa
Founder & CEO
E-mail: jakub@mailkit.com 
Tel: +420 777 744 440 

Mailkit - Closing the circle between Deliverability and Engagement


On 28.8.2020 14:57, Brotman, Alex wrote:
> Hello,
>
> [Apologies for the cross-posting]
>
> As part of a separate project, we wanted to create a smaller SVG profil=
e[1].  It is based on SVG Tiny 1.2, with several components removed.  The=
 goal is to try to keep the document self-contained, remove animations, a=
nd generally more portable and secure (hence P/S).  Personally, I've been=
 curious if we should be trying to create a new baseProfile as we've spec=
ified, given that it may behoove a developer to only target this subset o=
f Tiny features, reducing footprint and attack surface.  We also welcome =
feedback about the text and font elements that we've permitted in the dra=
ft, and their security implications.
>
> We thank you for any advice or feedback you can provide.
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman/
>
> --
> Alex Brotman
> Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy
> Comcast
>

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Hi,

    
I consider text and font elements as potentionally abuseable
      especially in context of use of the SVG Tiny P/S for BIMI logos.
    
Text - a brand logo should always have the text converted to
      curves as that is the only way to make sure it will be represented
      as it should. It could lead to minor rendering differences that
      could lead to brand complaints.

    
Fonts - increases the SVG file size. When I tested this the
      results were abysmal - essentially most of the exports resulted in
      massive files - 4 glyphs up to 8kb SVG, all glyphs of a single
      font easily in 200kb+... and most importantly they did not render
      correctly under chrome, IE or FF but Times is being used instead.
    
This brings in the abuse vector - I could create an SVG with
      custom glyphs that will result in a completely different output if
      rendered correctly (using the glyphs). Essentially I could have an
      SVG that reads "Hello" in Chrome, IE, FF and most rendering
      engines while resulting in a logo of a bank in a rendering engine
      with more advanced support of glyphs.

    
This could lead to logos being rendered not only incorrectly
      using incorrect typeface but more importanlty logos that may
      render a completely different content in specific engines.

    
This is bad user experience and could make brand managers resent
      BIMI. It's better to keep it simple and restrict these elements
      rather than getting surprising results in the output in my
      opinion.

    

    

      

        Jakub Olexa

        =
Founder
          & CEO

        =
E-mail:
          jakub=
@mailkit.com

        =
Tel:
          +420
            777 744 440
        

        

        Mailkit - Closing the circle between Deliverability and
            Engagement
      

    

    
On 28.8.2020 14:57, Brotman, Alex
      wrote:

    

    

      
Hello,

[Apologies for the cross-posting]

As part of a separate project, we wanted to create a smaller SVG profile[=
1].  It is based on SVG Tiny 1.2, with several components removed.  The g=
oal is to try to keep the document self-contained, remove animations, and=
 generally more portable and secure (hence P/S).  Personally, I've been c=
urious if we should be trying to create a new baseProfile as we've specif=
ied, given that it may behoove a developer to only target this subset of =
Tiny features, reducing footprint and attack surface.  We also welcome fe=
edback about the text and font elements that we've permitted in the draft=
, and their security implications.

We thank you for any advice or feedback you can provide.

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf=
t-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman/

--
Alex Brotman
Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy
Comcast



    

  


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Alex,

I have to say that the RFC7996 profile of SVG Tiny is, in my experience, a problem rather than a solution. It was designed with the best possible intentions and some of the rules (like no colour, no greyscale, and no external references) are appropriate for the RFC context, but trying to generate conformant SVG with popular and widespread drawing tools is almost impossible**.

** Even with dia, which is a pretty minimal tool, some post-processing of the SVG may be needed. Producing my own recent effort (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-04.html#section-appendix.a) was quite a saga.

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 29-Aug-20 00:57, Brotman, Alex wrote:
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> As part of a separate project, we wanted to create a smaller SVG profile[1].  It is based on SVG Tiny 1.2, with several components removed.  The goal is to try to keep the document self-contained, remove animations, and generally more portable and secure (hence P/S).  Personally, I've been curious if we should be trying to create a new baseProfile as we've specified, given that it may behoove a developer to only target this subset of Tiny features, reducing footprint and attack surface.  We also welcome feedback about the text and font elements that we've permitted in the draft, and their security implications.
> 
> We thank you for any advice or feedback you can provide.
> 
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman/
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One of the functional requirements for SVG illustrations is that when
converted to PDF/A that the result is "as good as it gets" so the authors
don't rely on embedded animations or videos to explain the protocol they are
describing.

What if you did a round trip   SVG -> PDF/A -> SVG. I think it's possible to
insure that doing so is idempotent (if it isn't now).

Then the RFC editor wouldn't have to decide whether the SVG fits some
profile.
Just run it as part of the process. Add it to the internet drafts submission
process.

Make sure that everyone reviews the illustrations in BOTH html and pdf
during AUTH48 
--
https://LarryMasinter.net https://interlisp.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rfc-interest  On Behalf Of
Brian E
> Carpenter
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> To: Brotman, Alex ; rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org
> Cc: BIMI (IETF) (bimi@ietf.org) 
> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] SVG P/S Feedback
> 
> Alex,
> 
> I have to say that the RFC7996 profile of SVG Tiny is, in my experience, a
> problem rather than a solution. It was designed with the best possible
> intentions and some of the rules (like no colour, no greyscale, and no
external
> references) are appropriate for the RFC context, but trying to generate
> conformant SVG with popular and widespread drawing tools is almost
> impossible**.
> 
> ** Even with dia, which is a pretty minimal tool, some post-processing of
the
> SVG may be needed. Producing my own recent effort
>
(https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-04.html#section-
> appendix.a) was quite a saga.
> 
> Regards
>    Brian Carpenter
> 
> On 29-Aug-20 00:57, Brotman, Alex wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > [Apologies for the cross-posting]
> >
> > As part of a separate project, we wanted to create a smaller SVG
profile[1].  It
> is based on SVG Tiny 1.2, with several components removed.  The goal is to
try
> to keep the document self-contained, remove animations, and generally more
> portable and secure (hence P/S).  Personally, I've been curious if we
should be
> trying to create a new baseProfile as we've specified, given that it may
behoove
> a developer to only target this subset of Tiny features, reducing
footprint and
> attack surface.  We also welcome feedback about the text and font elements
> that we've permitted in the draft, and their security implications.
> >
> > We thank you for any advice or feedback you can provide.
> >
> > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-svg-tiny-ps-abrotman/
> >
> > --
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Larry,

On 29-Aug-20 10:55, Larry Masinter wrote:
> One of the functional requirements for SVG illustrations is that when
> converted to PDF/A that the result is "as good as it gets" so the authors
> don't rely on embedded animations or videos to explain the protocol they are
> describing.
> 
> What if you did a round trip   SVG -> PDF/A -> SVG. I think it's possible to
> insure that doing so is idempotent (if it isn't now).

Only if you had a round trip tool that magically preserves the SVG dialect
in use. I just round-tripped a test file using https://convertio.co.
The PDF and the round-tripped SVG *look* the same as the original, but the
actual content of the SVG file is totally different, and fails svgcheck, so
is no longer conformant with RFC7996. The converter just happens to choose
a different way of representing the same image, since SVG is so versatile.

The converter also messed up the scalability of the image, which is really
annoying if you want the image to be viewable on a tiny screen.

Now I'll round-trip it a second time... once again, the input and output
SVG files are different, although only in a few places. So even the
conversion tools at convertio.co can't achieve idempotency with the SVG
that they themselves generate.

(For the record, convertio.co doesn't claim to be PDF/A conformant,
but I think that's beside the point here.)

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On 31-Aug-20 04:12, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
> Brian - but what you describe below is a tooling problem not a technolo=
gy or format issue.

IMHO the underlying problem is that SVG allows multiple ways of represent=
ing the same image, and a subsidiary problem is that it allows positions =
to be represented as real numbers. The SVG spec says:
"Unless stated otherwise, numeric values in SVG attributes and in propert=
ies that are defined to have an effect on SVG elements must support at le=
ast all finite single-precision values supported by the host architecture=
=2E"
In other words, the precision of positions is host-dependent. I don't kno=
w enough about PDF to know how that affects the conversion algorithm, but=
 I suspect it means that...

> There are ways in which all of the SVG semantics - or even the entire S=
VG itself(!)=20

=2E.. only embedding the SVG itself would be guaranteed to round-trip in =
all cases. Since that is exactly what we do in xml2rfcV3, I don't see wha=
t we'd gain by doing it in PDF/A instead.

> - could be included in the PDF/A file and round-tripped with correct fi=
delity (or even 100% identical bits).

Who is the arbiter of "correct fidelity"? The judge and jury in a patent =
infringement or copyright case? The only safe standard is "identical bits=
" or at least "identical string of UTF-8 characters". We've relied on "id=
entical string of ASCII characters" for many years.

> Let's agree on what the goal is, come up with a standard that specifies=
 how to achieve that, AND THEN we can get tools to comply.

Sure. We'd need to start with some canonicalization rules for SVG. We nee=
d to look again at RFC7996 in any case. But I don't think that relying on=
 host representation of real numbers is ever going to be OK. (Is there a =
reason that SVG didn't use a host-independent formulation for its stateme=
nt about precision?)

    Brian

>=20
> Leonard
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFOn 8/29/20, 1:04 AM, "rfc-interest on behalf of Brian E Carpen=
ter"  wrote:
>=20
>     Larry,
>=20
>     On 29-Aug-20 10:55, Larry Masinter wrote:
>     > One of the functional requirements for SVG illustrations is that =
when
>     > converted to PDF/A that the result is "as good as it gets" so the=
 authors
>     > don't rely on embedded animations or videos to explain the protoc=
ol they are
>     > describing.
>     >=20
>     > What if you did a round trip   SVG -> PDF/A -> SVG. I think it's =
possible to
>     > insure that doing so is idempotent (if it isn't now).
>=20
>     Only if you had a round trip tool that magically preserves the SVG =
dialect
>     in use. I just round-tripped a test file using https://nam04.safeli=
nks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fconvertio.co%2F&data=3D=
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>     The PDF and the round-tripped SVG *look* the same as the original, =
but the
>     actual content of the SVG file is totally different, and fails svgc=
heck, so
>     is no longer conformant with RFC7996. The converter just happens to=
 choose
>     a different way of representing the same image, since SVG is so ver=
satile.
>=20
>     The converter also messed up the scalability of the image, which is=
 really
>     annoying if you want the image to be viewable on a tiny screen.
>=20
>     Now I'll round-trip it a second time... once again, the input and o=
utput
>     SVG files are different, although only in a few places. So even the=

>     conversion tools at convertio.co can't achieve idempotency with the=
 SVG
>     that they themselves generate.
>=20
>     (For the record, convertio.co doesn't claim to be PDF/A conformant,=

>     but I think that's beside the point here.)
>=20
>        Brian
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>=20
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Leonard, this IS a tooling problem. There is already a specification for =
what was expected  RFC 7996, which starts with SVG Tiny. The problem is =
there is no tools for producing those kinds of SVGs, and it leaves out =
essential elements.

The goal is to have multiple renditions of the same document for which =
there shouldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind that what they see and =
make sense of is exactly the same no matter how the user views the =
document, at least as far as the renditions produced by the RFC Editor.

IETF is trying to do something no other SDO does, which is to make the =
content independent of the form.

They're already attaching the original submission (RFC XML) and SVG as =
attachments. So round-tripping bit-for-bit can't be the goal (since it's =
already there ). It was more like the PDF/A guarantee that if we all =
choose it, it becomes the archival document standard. The proof is the =
uptake.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard Rosenthol 
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 9:12 AM
> To: Brian E Carpenter ; Larry Masinter
> ; 'Brotman, Alex' ; rfc-
> interest@rfc-editor.org
> Cc: 'BIMI (IETF)' 
> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] SVG P/S Feedback
>=20
> Brian - but what you describe below is a tooling problem not a =
technology or
> format issue.
>=20
> There are ways in which all of the SVG semantics - or even the entire =
SVG
> itself(!) - could be included in the PDF/A file and round-tripped with =
correct
> fidelity (or even 100% identical bits).
>=20
> Let's agree on what the goal is, come up with a standard that =
specifies how to
> achieve that, AND THEN we can get tools to comply.
>=20
> Leonard
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFOn 8/29/20, 1:04 AM, "rfc-interest on behalf of Brian E =
Carpenter"  interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org on behalf of =
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>=20
>     Larry,
>=20
>     On 29-Aug-20 10:55, Larry Masinter wrote:
>     > One of the functional requirements for SVG illustrations is that =
when
>     > converted to PDF/A that the result is "as good as it gets" so =
the authors
>     > don't rely on embedded animations or videos to explain the =
protocol they
> are
>     > describing.
>     >
>     > What if you did a round trip   SVG -> PDF/A -> SVG. I think it's =
possible to
>     > insure that doing so is idempotent (if it isn't now).
>=20
>     Only if you had a round trip tool that magically preserves the SVG =
dialect
>     in use. I just round-tripped a test file using
> =
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>     The PDF and the round-tripped SVG *look* the same as the original, =
but the
>     actual content of the SVG file is totally different, and fails =
svgcheck, so
>     is no longer conformant with RFC7996. The converter just happens =
to choose
>     a different way of representing the same image, since SVG is so =
versatile.
>=20
>     The converter also messed up the scalability of the image, which =
is really
>     annoying if you want the image to be viewable on a tiny screen.
>=20
>     Now I'll round-trip it a second time... once again, the input and =
output
>     SVG files are different, although only in a few places. So even =
the
>     conversion tools at convertio.co can't achieve idempotency with =
the SVG
>     that they themselves generate.
>=20
>     (For the record, convertio.co doesn't claim to be PDF/A =
conformant,
>     but I think that's beside the point here.)
>=20
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On 31-Aug-20 10:09, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
> Brian - not sure what you are looking at, but in SVG 1.1 (https://www.w=
3.org/TR/SVG11/single-page.html#types-DataTypeNumber), I see the followin=
g definition for a ``
>=20
> 	
> 	Real numbers are specified in one of two ways. When used in a style sh=
eet, a  is defined as follows:
>=20
> 	number ::=3D integer
>            		| [+-]? [0-9]* "." [0-9]+
> 	This syntax is the same as the definition in CSS ([CSS2], section 4.3.=
1).
>=20
> 	When used in an SVG attribute, a  is defined differently, to a=
llow numbers with large magnitudes to be specified more concisely:
>=20
> 	number ::=3D integer ([Ee] integer)?
>            		| [+-]? [0-9]* "." [0-9]+ ([Ee] integer)?
> 	Within the SVG DOM, a  is represented as a float, SVGNumber or=
 a SVGAnimatedNumber.
>=20
> As noted, this is consistent with how "numbers" are used in the rest of=
 the open web platform (eg. CSS, HTML, etc.)

Yes, and that's all fine. But when you start converting formats, and the =
round trip converts=20
32.459999 into 32.424, there's clearly a problem of how real numbers work=
 in a particular hardware and floating point library, and/or a difference=
 in how real numbers are handled in the two formats. So specifying how re=
al numbers are represented in various SGML dialects is only part of the p=
roblem.

I'm no expert on this, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754 tells m=
e that it's very complex and there are many cans of worms.

Regards
    Brian


>=20
> Concerning use in PDF or PDF/A, I don't think that Larry was suggesting=
 that it was being used *instead of* xml2rfcv3...but it is one of the nor=
mative formats produced from that grammar.   As such, I believe Larry was=
 pointing out the importance of being able to roundtrip from the SVG in t=
he xml2rfcv3->PDF/A->SVG for anyone that might need it.  As mentioned, th=
ere are methods to embed the original SVG directly into the PDF at author=
ing time and then that SVG could be extracted downstream. The tool used b=
y the IETF supports that option, but I don't believe it is enabled.  Some=
thing to consider for the future.
>=20
>=20
>> Who is the arbiter of "correct fidelity"?
>>
> I would argue that data which is semantically identical is correct.  Th=
e fact that you can serialize the same data in different ways isn't bad -=
 as they are semantically identical.  However I don=E2=80=99t see a need =
to debate that at this time...
>=20
>=20
> Leonard=20
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFOn 8/30/20, 5:09 PM, "Brian E Carpenter"  wrote:
>=20
>     On 31-Aug-20 04:12, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
>     > Brian - but what you describe below is a tooling problem not a te=
chnology or format issue.
>=20
>     IMHO the underlying problem is that SVG allows multiple ways of rep=
resenting the same image, and a subsidiary problem is that it allows posi=
tions to be represented as real numbers. The SVG spec says:
>     "Unless stated otherwise, numeric values in SVG attributes and in p=
roperties that are defined to have an effect on SVG elements must support=
 at least all finite single-precision values supported by the host archit=
ecture."
>     In other words, the precision of positions is host-dependent. I don=
't know enough about PDF to know how that affects the conversion algorith=
m, but I suspect it means that...
>=20
>     > There are ways in which all of the SVG semantics - or even the en=
tire SVG itself(!)=20
>=20
>     ... only embedding the SVG itself would be guaranteed to round-trip=
 in all cases. Since that is exactly what we do in xml2rfcV3, I don't see=
 what we'd gain by doing it in PDF/A instead.
>=20
>     > - could be included in the PDF/A file and round-tripped with corr=
ect fidelity (or even 100% identical bits).
>=20
>     Who is the arbiter of "correct fidelity"? The judge and jury in a p=
atent infringement or copyright case? The only safe standard is "identica=
l bits" or at least "identical string of UTF-8 characters". We've relied =
on "identical string of ASCII characters" for many years.
>=20
>     > Let's agree on what the goal is, come up with a standard that spe=
cifies how to achieve that, AND THEN we can get tools to comply.
>=20
>     Sure. We'd need to start with some canonicalization rules for SVG. =
We need to look again at RFC7996 in any case. But I don't think that rely=
ing on host representation of real numbers is ever going to be OK. (Is th=
ere a reason that SVG didn't use a host-independent formulation for its s=
tatement about precision?)
>=20
>         Brian
>=20
>     >=20
>     > Leonard
>     >=20
>     > On 8/29/20, 1:04 AM, "rfc-interest on behalf of Brian E Carpenter=
"  wrote:
>     >=20
>     >     Larry,
>     >=20
>     >     On 29-Aug-20 10:55, Larry Masinter wrote:
>     >     > One of the functional requirements for SVG illustrations is=
 that when
>     >     > converted to PDF/A that the result is "as good as it gets" =
so the authors
>     >     > don't rely on embedded animations or videos to explain the =
protocol they are
>     >     > describing.
>     >     >=20
>     >     > What if you did a round trip   SVG -> PDF/A -> SVG. I think=
 it's possible to
>     >     > insure that doing so is idempotent (if it isn't now).
>     >=20
>     >     Only if you had a round trip tool that magically preserves th=
e SVG dialect
>     >     in use. I just round-tripped a test file using https://nam04.=
safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fconvertio.co%2F&=
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inal, but the
>     >     actual content of the SVG file is totally different, and fail=
s svgcheck, so
>     >     is no longer conformant with RFC7996. The converter just happ=
ens to choose
>     >     a different way of representing the same image, since SVG is =
so versatile.
>     >=20
>     >     The converter also messed up the scalability of the image, wh=
ich is really
>     >     annoying if you want the image to be viewable on a tiny scree=
n.
>     >=20
>     >     Now I'll round-trip it a second time... once again, the input=
 and output
>     >     SVG files are different, although only in a few places. So ev=
en the
>     >     conversion tools at convertio.co can't achieve idempotency wi=
th the SVG
>     >     that they themselves generate.
>     >=20
>     >     (For the record, convertio.co doesn't claim to be PDF/A confo=
rmant,
>     >     but I think that's beside the point here.)
>     >=20
>     >        Brian
>     >=20
>     >=20
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Hello Brian, others,

On 31/08/2020 08:36, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 31-Aug-20 10:09, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
>> Brian - not sure what you are looking at, but in SVG 1.1 (https://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/single-page.html#types-DataTypeNumber), I see the following definition for a ``

[snip]

> Yes, and that's all fine. But when you start converting formats, and the round trip converts
> 32.459999 into 32.424, there's clearly a problem of how real numbers work in a particular hardware and floating point library, and/or a difference in how real numbers are handled in the two formats. So specifying how real numbers are represented in various SGML dialects is only part of the problem.
> 
> I'm no expert on this, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754 tells me that it's very complex and there are many cans of worms.

Floating point numbers are what they are, even if many people, including 
engineers, tend to ignore or suppress the details.

The programming language Ruby has some pointers to information about 
floating point numbers on the otherwise quite small top page of their 
bug tracker (https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/). The reason for this is the 
frequency with which we get bug reports about floating point number 
calculations that turn out not to be bugs.

For people interested in details, I suggest reading "What Every Computer 
Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic"
(https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html).

Btw, if a conversion changes 32.459999 into 32.424, then we indeed have 
a serious problem. Floating point arithmetic isn't that inaccurate, even 
on the worst hardware. If the conversion is from 32.459999 to 32.46, on 
the other hand, then that's entirely possible, and shouldn't create any 
problems in patent litigation.

Regards,   Martin.


> Regards
>      Brian


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On 31-Aug-20 13:52, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst wrote:
> Hello Brian, others,
>=20
> On 31/08/2020 08:36, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> On 31-Aug-20 10:09, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
>>> Brian - not sure what you are looking at, but in SVG 1.1 (https://www=
=2Ew3.org/TR/SVG11/single-page.html#types-DataTypeNumber), I see the foll=
owing definition for a ``
>=20
> [snip]
>=20
>> Yes, and that's all fine. But when you start converting formats, and t=
he round trip converts
>> 32.459999 into 32.424, there's clearly a problem of how real numbers w=
ork in a particular hardware and floating point library, and/or a differe=
nce in how real numbers are handled in the two formats. So specifying how=
 real numbers are represented in various SGML dialects is only part of th=
e problem.
>>
>> I'm no expert on this, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754 tell=
s me that it's very complex and there are many cans of worms.
>=20
> Floating point numbers are what they are, even if many people, includin=
g=20
> engineers, tend to ignore or suppress the details.
>=20
> The programming language Ruby has some pointers to information about=20
> floating point numbers on the otherwise quite small top page of their=20
> bug tracker (https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/). The reason for this is the=20
> frequency with which we get bug reports about floating point number=20
> calculations that turn out not to be bugs.
>=20
> For people interested in details, I suggest reading "What Every Compute=
r=20
> Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic"
> (https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html).
>=20
> Btw, if a conversion changes 32.459999 into 32.424, then we indeed have=
=20
> a serious problem. Floating point arithmetic isn't that inaccurate, eve=
n=20
> on the worst hardware. If the conversion is from 32.459999 to 32.46, on=
=20
> the other hand, then that's entirely possible, and shouldn't create any=
=20
> problems in patent litigation.

The case in point involves two particular converters from SVG to PDF and
back, so it's presumably a complex interaction between those two formats
and how the converters work, rather than a gross error in the floating po=
int
implementations. I don't think we need to debug it, but simply to note
that if we stick to the current doctrine that the xml2rfcv3 file *is*
the canonical form of an RFC, we will be OK. If we try to define a
reversible translation to another format, I think we would come to deeply=

regret it.

   Brian
=20
>=20
>> Regards
>>      Brian
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Brian,

We've sort of seen the same issue, though we expect that tools will catchup=
 over time.   That being said, I know that Inkscape does not today support =
SVG Tiny 1.2 as an export format.  Illustrator does a reasonable job with T=
iny, though seems to have a few bugs during export.  I haven't yet tried Di=
a or Scribus (I believe it also supports export to SVG).   Even with suppor=
t in tools lacking today, we'd like to work toward this goal of creating th=
is format.  We've had good success thus far getting images to conform witho=
ut skewing the intended representation.

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Alex Brotman
Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy
Comcast

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bimi  On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 6:26 PM
> To: Brotman, Alex ; rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org
> Cc: BIMI (IETF) (bimi@ietf.org) 
> Subject: Re: [Bimi] [rfc-i] SVG P/S Feedback
>
> Alex,
>
> I have to say that the RFC7996 profile of SVG Tiny is, in my experience, =
a
> problem rather than a solution. It was designed with the best possible in=
tentions
> and some of the rules (like no colour, no greyscale, and no external refe=
rences)
> are appropriate for the RFC context, but trying to generate conformant SV=
G
> with popular and widespread drawing tools is almost impossible**.
>
> ** Even with dia, which is a pretty minimal tool, some post-processing of=
 the
> SVG may be needed. Producing my own recent effort
> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-carpenter-
> eligibility-expand-04.html*section-
> appendix.a__;Iw!!CQl3mcHX2A!Sw3IJrGz1vhg-
> lLQ4qwXhNufnJeIQBquFhOycYTbRb_sEE7UjU8crw2Ud3Do0KOSSpx6kxA$ ) was
> quite a saga.
>
> Regards
>    Brian Carpenter
>
> On 29-Aug-20 00:57, Brotman, Alex wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > [Apologies for the cross-posting]
> >
> > As part of a separate project, we wanted to create a smaller SVG profil=
e[1].  It
> is based on SVG Tiny 1.2, with several components removed.  The goal is t=
o try
> to keep the document self-contained, remove animations, and generally mor=
e
> portable and secure (hence P/S).  Personally, I've been curious if we sho=
uld be
> trying to create a new baseProfile as we've specified, given that it may =
behoove
> a developer to only target this subset of Tiny features, reducing footpri=
nt and
> attack surface.  We also welcome feedback about the text and font element=
s
> that we've permitted in the draft, and their security implications.
> >
> > We thank you for any advice or feedback you can provide.
> >
> > [1]
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-svg
> > -tiny-ps-abrotman/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!Sw3IJrGz1vhg-
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> > cYTbRb_sEE7UjU8crw2Ud3Do0KOSmpkX2ck$
> >
> > --
> > Alex Brotman
> > Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy Comcast
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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In article <70eadfe5-16f6-47d9-4cb8-f4f9bffdd355@gmail.com> you write:
>Alex,
>
>I have to say that the RFC7996 profile of SVG Tiny is, in my experience, a problem rather than a solution. It was
>designed with the best possible intentions and some of the rules (like no colour, no greyscale, and no external
>references) are appropriate for the RFC context, but trying to generate conformant SVG with popular and widespread
>drawing tools is almost impossible**.

I agree that 7996 has problems. We have not yet published an RFC with
SVG pictures and I expect that when we do, we'll have to revise it.

In any case, that profile is designed for documents, and there's no
reason to assume it would be appropriate for logos displayed next to
your junk mail.

R's,
John