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As mentioned earlier, Jason Fischl has stepped down as BLISS co-chair.
Please join me in thanking him for the effort he's put into the group's
progress since it was formed.

Scott Lawrence has joined Shida as co-chair. Please welcome him to the  
role.

RjS


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	Title           : Implementing Call Park and Retrieve using the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
	Author(s)       : M. Procter
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bliss-call-park-extension-01.txt
	Pages           : 19
	Date            : 2009-10-14

Call Park and Call Retrieve are useful telephony services that are
familiar to many users.  Existing implementations using the Session
Initiation Protocol (SIP) show that a variety of approaches can be
Taken, with varying degrees of interoperability.  This draft
discusses a number of feature variations, and how they may be
implemented using existing techniques.  An additional URI parameter
is also described, which enables further common use-cases to be
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All,

  The 76th IETF meeting is coming up in 3 weeks.

  We have requested 1 hour for Hiroshima. If you would
like a slot on the agenda for Hiroshima, please let Scott
and I know as soon as possible.

  Regards
   Shida

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Hi,

We've re-submitted the Alert-Info URNs draft for DISPATCH
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liess-dispatch-alert-info-urns
-00.txt . (The previous version od the draft was in BLISS and we had a
presentation in BLISS at the last IETF.)

We did some major changes, as suggested on the mailing list, e.g.:
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the Introduction chapter)=20
  - Requirements for the Alert-Info URNs mechanism=20
  - Alert-Info URNs Indications for country-specific tones
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  - Initial IANA Registration mechanism to avoid combinatorial explosion
of IANA values.=20


Many thanks for the comments and suggestions,
Laura=20



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	Title           : Alert-Info URNs for the Session Initiation
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The Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) supports the capability to
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	Title           : An Analysis of Automatic Call Handling Implementation Issues in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
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The reason for this new version is solely because the old one had expired. =
It still awaits draft-ietf references to replace the draft-roach and draft-=
griffin references, before it can be progressed.

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This seems to be shaping up well. I think the requirements are quite 
clear now.

I don't fully understand what is intended regarding combination of 
multiple alert URNs for a specific situation. Section 4.5 states:

>    finally, a short Albanian auto-callback tone could be indicated
>    Alert-Info: <urn:alert:service:auto-callback>,
>    <urn:alert:tone:short>, <urn:alert:tone:al>.

while section 7.3.6 states:

>    Alert URN Indications from the same group should not be combined.

I could find no definition of what constitutes a "group". The first 
thing that comes to mind is "service" vs. "tone", but the above example 
violates that. It seems to me that you need some notion of orthogonal 
properties in order to define what can/cannot be combined.

It would be good to have more detail about how a recipient should deal 
with multiple URNs.

I'm also uncertain of what your intent is regarding top-level vs. 
additional indications. As specified, I believe a given "additional 
indication" name is always defined with regard to its parent, so that 
"short" as used in "normal.short" might mean something entirely 
different than "priority.short", or might not be defined for priority at 
all.

Yet from the registration text in 7.3.2 it sounds like the intent is for 
priority, short, and delayed to be defined for all pbx-tones. If that is 
the intent, then I don't think the existing text meets that intent.

I also wonder if the existing hierarchy will work well in practice, or 
if some other organization might not work better. For instance, it might 
be more convenient to specify ringing.fr with the clear understanding 
that if you don't know about ringing.fr you can just treat it as ringing.

I'm also confused by PBX tones vs. Public telephone tones. In what way 
is "normal" different from "ringing"? I would think that PBX tones would 
be a superset of common pstn tones.

A nit: in 4.3.2 I would expext the forward to be indicated, if at all, 
with a 181 rather than a 180.

	Thanks,
	Paul

L.Liess@telekom.de wrote:
>  
> Hi,
> 
> We've re-submitted the Alert-Info URNs draft for DISPATCH
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liess-dispatch-alert-info-urns
> -00.txt . (The previous version od the draft was in BLISS and we had a
> presentation in BLISS at the last IETF.)
> 
> We did some major changes, as suggested on the mailing list, e.g.:
>  Added:  
>   - Description of the interoperability problems for PBX-services (in
> the Introduction chapter) 
>   - Requirements for the Alert-Info URNs mechanism 
>   - Alert-Info URNs Indications for country-specific tones
>  Changed: 
>   - Initial IANA Registration mechanism to avoid combinatorial explosion
> of IANA values. 
> 
> 
> Many thanks for the comments and suggestions,
> Laura 
> 
> 
> 
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> 	Title           : Alert-Info URNs for the Session Initiation
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> The Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) supports the capability to
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This document describes the requirements and implementation of a
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	Title           : Call Completion for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
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The call completion features allow the calling user of a failed call
to be notified when the called user becomes available to receive a
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For the realization of a basic solution without queueing call-
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For the realization of a more comprehensive solution with queueing
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This mail is to initiate a WGLC on

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances-04.txt

Shared Appearances

Intended Status: Informational

This is a two week working group last call so please send your comments
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  Shida Schubert (As WG chair)

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Subject: Re: [BLISS] [dispatch] New version for the Alert-Info URNs	draft:	draft-liess-dispatch-alert-info-urns-00.txt
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Paul,

One comment below.

Thanks,
Alan

Paul Kyzivat wrote:
> This seems to be shaping up well. I think the requirements are quite 
> clear now.
>
> I don't fully understand what is intended regarding combination of 
> multiple alert URNs for a specific situation. Section 4.5 states:
>
>>    finally, a short Albanian auto-callback tone could be indicated
>>    Alert-Info: <urn:alert:service:auto-callback>,
>>    <urn:alert:tone:short>, <urn:alert:tone:al>.
>
> while section 7.3.6 states:
>
>>    Alert URN Indications from the same group should not be combined.
>
> I could find no definition of what constitutes a "group". The first 
> thing that comes to mind is "service" vs. "tone", but the above 
> example violates that. It seems to me that you need some notion of 
> orthogonal properties in order to define what can/cannot be combined.
>
> It would be good to have more detail about how a recipient should deal 
> with multiple URNs.
>
> I'm also uncertain of what your intent is regarding top-level vs. 
> additional indications. As specified, I believe a given "additional 
> indication" name is always defined with regard to its parent, so that 
> "short" as used in "normal.short" might mean something entirely 
> different than "priority.short", or might not be defined for priority 
> at all.
>
> Yet from the registration text in 7.3.2 it sounds like the intent is 
> for priority, short, and delayed to be defined for all pbx-tones. If 
> that is the intent, then I don't think the existing text meets that 
> intent.

As it has been pointed out, short, long, and delayed are not compatible 
with the semantic approach of this draft so I think we should remove 
them as they are currently.  I need to investigate to see whether they 
have been used in the past as stand-ins for a particular service, or 
whether we need to define specific tones for them.

Priority, I still think, is useful - we just need to figure out how to 
fit it in properly.

>
> I also wonder if the existing hierarchy will work well in practice, or 
> if some other organization might not work better. For instance, it 
> might be more convenient to specify ringing.fr with the clear 
> understanding that if you don't know about ringing.fr you can just 
> treat it as ringing.
>
> I'm also confused by PBX tones vs. Public telephone tones. In what way 
> is "normal" different from "ringing"? I would think that PBX tones 
> would be a superset of common pstn tones.
>
> A nit: in 4.3.2 I would expext the forward to be indicated, if at all, 
> with a 181 rather than a 180.
>
>     Thanks,
>     Paul
>
> L.Liess@telekom.de wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>
>> We've re-submitted the Alert-Info URNs draft for DISPATCH
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liess-dispatch-alert-info-urns
>> -00.txt . (The previous version od the draft was in BLISS and we had a
>> presentation in BLISS at the last IETF.)
>>
>> We did some major changes, as suggested on the mailing list, e.g.:
>>  Added:    - Description of the interoperability problems for 
>> PBX-services (in
>> the Introduction chapter)   - Requirements for the Alert-Info URNs 
>> mechanism   - Alert-Info URNs Indications for country-specific tones
>>  Changed:   - Initial IANA Registration mechanism to avoid 
>> combinatorial explosion
>> of IANA values.
>>
>> Many thanks for the comments and suggestions,
>> Laura
>>
>>
>>    
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>>
>>     Title           : Alert-Info URNs for the Session Initiation
>> Protocol (SIP)
>>     Author(s)       : D. Alexeitsev, et al.
>>     Filename        : draft-liess-dispatch-alert-info-urns-00.txt
>>     Pages           : 25
>>     Date            : 2009-10-19
>>
>> The Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) supports the capability to
>> provide a reference to the alternative ringback tone (RBT) for
>> caller, or ring tone (RT) for callee using the Alert-Info header.
>> However, the reference addresses only the network resources with
>> specific rendering properties.  There is currently no support for
>> predefined standard identifiers for ringback tones or semantic
>> indications without tied rendering.  To overcome this limitations and
>> support new applications a family of the URNs is defined in this
>> specification.
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liess-dispatch-alert-info-urns
>> -00.txt
>>
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