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Due to circumstances beyond my control, I am unable to attend the IETF meeting
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submission deadline.  Therefore, I suggest that the Bridge-MIB WG do not meet in
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Bert,

Have you seen this message ?

At 09:33 AM 3/5/02 +0000, Les Bell wrote:



>Due to circumstances beyond my control, I am unable to attend the IETF meeting
>in Minneapolis.  Also, two of the drafts up for discussion failed to meet the
>submission deadline.  Therefore, I suggest that the Bridge-MIB WG do not 
>meet in
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Yep, I just read them (I was offline last week).
Too bad that the WG did not get their drafts in in time and
that they cannot meet. But such is life. Hopefully they will
make good progress on the mailing list.

Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dinara Suleymanova [mailto:dinaras@ietf.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 6:12 PM
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> Subject: [Bridge-mib] Re: Bridge-MIB meeting at Minneapolis cancelled
> Importance: High
> 
> 
> Bert,
> 
> Have you seen this message ?
> 
> At 09:33 AM 3/5/02 +0000, Les Bell wrote:
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> >Due to circumstances beyond my control, I am unable to 
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> >in Minneapolis.  Also, two of the drafts up for discussion 
> failed to meet the
> >submission deadline.  Therefore, I suggest that the 
> Bridge-MIB WG do not 
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Bruno,

The intention for dot1xAuthSessionTime was to report it in hundredths of
seconds, as the TimeTicks TC says.  The description is wrong.

The question we have to ask now is:
How do people think we should fix this bug?

Option 1:
    Fix the description to say "hundredths of seconds".

Option 2:
    Fix the syntax as Integer32 (I think IETF rules do not permit this).

Option 3:
    Deprecate dot1xAuthSessionTime and
        a) define a new item using TimeTicks, or
        b) define a new item using Integer32.

This bug highlights one of the problems of developing MIBs in IEEE 802 groups:
lack of peer review.  The MIB experts are all at the IETF, so we need to get
IETF involvement in the MIB development at an early stage, so the MIB is
released at the same time as the IEEE 802 standard it addresses.  I think the
current approach with the hubmib WG development of the Power Over Ethernet MIB
is a good example of this.

Les...





"Pape, Bruno" <bpape@enterasys.com> on 22/03/2002 19:21:02

Sent by:  "Pape, Bruno" <bpape@enterasys.com>


To:   "'stds-802-1 @ieee.org'" <stds-802-1@ieee.org>
cc:    (Les Bell/GB/3Com)
Subject:  FW: 802.1x and TimeTicks






-----Original Message-----
From: Laurence, Francis (Joe)
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:21 PM
To: Pape, Bruno
Subject: RE: 802.1x and TimeTicks

Bruno,
   You might want to forward your message to the standards mailer for the
IEEE802.1
   group that created the standard. They are pretty good at answering
questions regarding
   the standards that they create.

The address is :
            stds-802-1@ieee.org <mailto:stds-802-1@ieee.org>

Joe L.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pape, Bruno
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:48 PM
To: mibcommittee
Subject: 802.1x and TimeTicks

It looks like the IEEE8021-PAE-MIB attempts to redefine TimeTicks in
its definition of dot1xAuthSessionTime.  The Net-SNMP code interprets
TimeTicks as per SNMPv2-SMI.  I would propose that we resolve the
conflict in favor of the SNMPv2-SMI definition of TimeTicks.  This would
apply to etsysDot1xAuthSessionTime in enterasys-8021x-extensions-mib.txt
as well.

Anyone feel like taking this up with the IEEE?

Thanks,

Bruno


From http://cvsmibs/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/standards/ieee/IEEE8021-PAE-MIB
<http://cvsmibs/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/standards/ieee/IEEE8021-PAE-MIB>

dot1xAuthSessionTime OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX TimeTicks
    MAX-ACCESS read-only
    STATUS current
    DESCRIPTION
               "The duration of the session in seconds."
    REFERENCE  "9.4.4, Session Time"
    ::= { dot1xAuthSessionStatsEntry 7 }

And from http://cvsmibs/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/standards/ietf/SNMPv2-SMI
<http://cvsmibs/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/standards/ietf/SNMPv2-SMI>

-- hundredths of seconds since an epoch
TimeTicks ::=
    [APPLICATION 3]
        IMPLICIT INTEGER (0..4294967295)




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> From: Les Bell [mailto:Les_Bell@eur.3com.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 12:53 AM


> The intention for dot1xAuthSessionTime was to report it in 
> hundredths of
> seconds, as the TimeTicks TC says.  The description is wrong.
> 
> The question we have to ask now is:
> How do people think we should fix this bug?
> 
> Option 1:
>     Fix the description to say "hundredths of seconds".
> 
> Option 2:
>     Fix the syntax as Integer32 (I think IETF rules do not 
> permit this).

	They don't.

> Option 3:
>     Deprecate dot1xAuthSessionTime and
>         a) define a new item using TimeTicks, or
>         b) define a new item using Integer32.

	If the MIB has production field implementations, then (3) should be
chosen, else (1) will do nicely.


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From: Ali Chanaui <ali_chanaui@yahoo.com>
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Mr. Goubert,

I want to ask you now: do you think, that these flags
may be avoided in outgoing RST BPDU and such
implementation would be compatible with IEEE 802.1w?

I checked only one implementation on
http://rstplib.sourceforge.net/ (apropos, did you
check it?) and I see, that these flags are not sent
there at all in function txRstp() in file transmit.c;
and Alex keeps a silence about the issue :(

Dou you find, that the request to IEEE 802.1y must be
done with
your (my? our?) proposition?
Yours truly, Ali

--- Gerard Goubert <gwg@iol.unh.edu> wrote:
> Ali,
>  
> (I hope you have html email--- otherwise the colors
> won't work)
>  
> I agree with you, though throughout our work with
> RSTP we have sort of
> assumed that the blue (if html is on) statement
> below is implied.
>  
> However, I cannot find anywhere where a bridge is
> required to look at
> the Learning and Forwarding flags in a received
> BPDU. I would then come
> to the conclusion that these two flags are
> informational in nature and
> should be set according to the blue statement
> below.. This is good in a
> situation like ours where we are examining the
> BPDU's that are sent with
> a traffic analyzer, we can directly see (without the
> use of the CLI)
> what state(s) the port (that sent the BPDU) is in.
> However, the bridge
> receiving the BPDU does not need to know this
> information, and the state
> machines do not have any mechanisms to enhance the
> operation of RSTP if
> it is known that the 'neighbor' bridge (the one
> sending the BPDU with
> flags set) is transitioning (or has transitioned) to
> the learning or
> forwarding state.
>  
> As far as encoding:
> Forwarding = True = 1
> Forwarding = False = 0
> Learning = True = 1
> Learning = False = 0
> (This is just my assumption)
>  
> I would think that these flag fields should be
> utilized, but perhaps the
> intent was for informational use only and not to
> affect any state
> machine by triggering a transition.
>  
> In 17.18.1, 17.18.19 and 17.18.20 it talks about
> checking and setting
> flags (agreed->Agreement Flag and
> proposing->Proposal Flag) so I would
> say (IMHO) that there should also be a sentence
> added to both 17.18.5
> and 17.18.9 saying that a flag should be set.
>  
> I know I am not answering your question, but we too
> have discussed this
> issue and decided to wait and see how people choose
> to implement
> .1w-d10. From the implementations that we have seen.
> it seems that our
> interpretation seems to agree with how other people
> are interpreting the
> draft.
>  
> Gerard Goubert
> Bridge Functions Consortium
> Operations Manager
> InterOperability Lab @ UNH 
> gwg@iol.unh.edu 603.862.2060
> BFC Phone: 603.862.3525
>  
> Below are the clauses in question.
>  
> 9.3.3 Rapid Spanning Tree BPDUs (RST BPDUs)
> <snip>
> g) The Learning flag is encoded in Bit 5 of Octet 5
> of the BPDU (see
> 17.19.16).
> h) The Forwarding flag is encoded in Bit 6 of Octet
> 5 of the BPDU (see
> 17.19.16).
> <snip>
>  
> 17.19.16 txRstp()
> Transmits an RST BPDU. The first four components of
> the message priority
> vector (17.4.2.2) conveyed in
> the BPDU are set to the value of portPriority
> (17.18.17) for this Port.
> The Port Role in the BPDU (9.3.3) is
> set to the current value of the role variable for
> the transmitting port
> (17.18.30). The Agreement and Proposal
> flags in the BPDU are set to the values of the
> synced (17.18.35) and
> proposing (17.18.20) variables for the
> transmitting Port respectively. The topology change
> flag is set if
> (tcWhile != 0) for the Port. The topology
> change acknowledge flag in the BPDU is never used
> and is set to zero.
> The value of the Message Age, Max
> Age, Fwd Delay, and Hello Time parameters conveyed
> in the BPDU are set
> to the values held in portTimes
> (17.18.18) for the Port.
>  
> There should be a phrase here something like this:
> The Learning and Forwarding Flags in the BPDU are
> set to the values of
> learning (17.18.9) and forwarding (17.18.5),
> respectively. These values
> are set by the Port State Transition state machine
> (17.24, fig. 17-18) 
> (This seems to be implied, but never explicitly
> stated)
>  
> 17.18.5 forwarding
> This is the operational state for the packet
> forwarding function. It is
> set TRUE by the Port State Transitions
> state machine when packet forwarding is enabled. It
> is set FALSE by the
> Port State Transitions state machine
> when packet forwarding is disabled.
>  
> 17.18.9 learning
> This is the operational state for the source address
> learning function.
> It is set TRUE by the Port State Transitions
> state machine when source address learning is
> enabled. It is set FALSE
> by the Port State Transitions
> state machine when source address learning is
> disabled.
>  
>  
> 17.24 Port State Transition state machine
> <snip>
> On entry to the LEARNING state, learning is enabled
> and then the
> learning variable is set TRUE. The state
> machine transitions back to DISCARDING if learn
> becomes FALSE, and
> transitions to FORWARDING if
> forward becomes TRUE.  What about the flag? (Set
> Learning flag = 1)
>  
> In the FORWARDING state, the tc variable is set TRUE
> if the Port is not
> an edge Port; this signals to the
> Topology Change state machine that topology change
> information should be
> propagated, as this Port has
> been added to the active topology. Forwarding is
> enabled and then the
> forwarding variable is set TRUE. The
> state machine will revert to the DISCARDING state if
> forward becomes
> FALSE. What about the flag? (Set Forwarding flag =1)
> <snip>
>  
>  
>  
>  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-stds-802-1@majordomo.ieee.org
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-
> > 1@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ali Chanaui
> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:40 AM
> > To: stds-802-1@ieee.org
> > Subject: Q: Learning & Forwarding flags in RST
> BPDU?
> > 
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > In IEEE 802.1w in RST BPDU there are two bits:
> > Learning flag (9.3.3.g) and Forwarding flag
> (9.3.3.h).
> > Both of them are referenced to 17.19.16, but there
> is
> > no
> > any any mention about these flags coding.
> > And what is more: there is no description, how do
> we
> > use
> > these bit in 17.19.8
> > I read P802.1w/D10, March 26, 2001.
> > It seems, that:
> > a) you simply forgot about these flags
> > b) these flags will be used in future, for example
> in
> > .1s
> > c) thse flags are dedicated for debugging.
> > d) I missed some significant part of the spec.
> > 
> > Please, remove my scruple,
> > Sincerely yours, Ali
> > 
> > 
> 
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On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:16 AM Ali Chanaui wrote:
Ali> I want to ask you now: do you think, that these flags
Ali> may be avoided in outgoing RST BPDU and such
Ali> implementation would be compatible with IEEE 802.1w?
Ali> 
Ali> I checked only one implementation on
Ali> http://rstplib.sourceforge.net/ (apropos, did you
Ali> check it?) and I see, that these flags are not sent
Ali> there at all in function txRstp() in file transmit.c;
Ali> and Alex keeps a silence about the issue :(
Ali> 

Excuse me, Ali, I was out of the business.
You are right: I don't use these flags in rstplib since .1w doesn't mention
them in 17.19.8 nor in 17.19.16. From other side, I don't need them
for "examining the BPDU's", as  Gerard writes, while I have
another tools for that.
I'll implement these flags (you are right again, function
txRstp in file transmit.c is the place for it) as soon as the spec will be
correspondingly changed.

Regards, Alex

> 
> --- Gerard Goubert <gwg@iol.unh.edu> wrote:
> > Ali,
> >  
> > (I hope you have html email--- otherwise the colors
> > won't work)
> >  
> > I agree with you, though throughout our work with
> > RSTP we have sort of
> > assumed that the blue (if html is on) statement
> > below is implied.
> >  
> > However, I cannot find anywhere where a bridge is
> > required to look at
> > the Learning and Forwarding flags in a received
> > BPDU. I would then come
> > to the conclusion that these two flags are
> > informational in nature and
> > should be set according to the blue statement
> > below.. This is good in a
> > situation like ours where we are examining the
> > BPDU's that are sent with
> > a traffic analyzer, we can directly see (without the
> > use of the CLI)
> > what state(s) the port (that sent the BPDU) is in.
> > However, the bridge
> > receiving the BPDU does not need to know this
> > information, and the state
> > machines do not have any mechanisms to enhance the
> > operation of RSTP if
> > it is known that the 'neighbor' bridge (the one
> > sending the BPDU with
> > flags set) is transitioning (or has transitioned) to
> > the learning or
> > forwarding state.
> >  
> > As far as encoding:
> > Forwarding = True = 1
> > Forwarding = False = 0
> > Learning = True = 1
> > Learning = False = 0
> > (This is just my assumption)
> >  
> > I would think that these flag fields should be
> > utilized, but perhaps the
> > intent was for informational use only and not to
> > affect any state
> > machine by triggering a transition.
> >  
> > In 17.18.1, 17.18.19 and 17.18.20 it talks about
> > checking and setting
> > flags (agreed->Agreement Flag and
> > proposing->Proposal Flag) so I would
> > say (IMHO) that there should also be a sentence
> > added to both 17.18.5
> > and 17.18.9 saying that a flag should be set.
> >  
> > I know I am not answering your question, but we too
> > have discussed this
> > issue and decided to wait and see how people choose
> > to implement
> > .1w-d10. From the implementations that we have seen.
> > it seems that our
> > interpretation seems to agree with how other people
> > are interpreting the
> > draft.
> >  
> > Gerard Goubert
> > Bridge Functions Consortium
> > Operations Manager
> > InterOperability Lab @ UNH 
> > gwg@iol.unh.edu 603.862.2060
> > BFC Phone: 603.862.3525
> >  
> > Below are the clauses in question.
> >  
> > 9.3.3 Rapid Spanning Tree BPDUs (RST BPDUs)
> > <snip>
> > g) The Learning flag is encoded in Bit 5 of Octet 5
> > of the BPDU (see
> > 17.19.16).
> > h) The Forwarding flag is encoded in Bit 6 of Octet
> > 5 of the BPDU (see
> > 17.19.16).
> > <snip>
> >  
> > 17.19.16 txRstp()
> > Transmits an RST BPDU. The first four components of
> > the message priority
> > vector (17.4.2.2) conveyed in
> > the BPDU are set to the value of portPriority
> > (17.18.17) for this Port.
> > The Port Role in the BPDU (9.3.3) is
> > set to the current value of the role variable for
> > the transmitting port
> > (17.18.30). The Agreement and Proposal
> > flags in the BPDU are set to the values of the
> > synced (17.18.35) and
> > proposing (17.18.20) variables for the
> > transmitting Port respectively. The topology change
> > flag is set if
> > (tcWhile != 0) for the Port. The topology
> > change acknowledge flag in the BPDU is never used
> > and is set to zero.
> > The value of the Message Age, Max
> > Age, Fwd Delay, and Hello Time parameters conveyed
> > in the BPDU are set
> > to the values held in portTimes
> > (17.18.18) for the Port.
> >  
> > There should be a phrase here something like this:
> > The Learning and Forwarding Flags in the BPDU are
> > set to the values of
> > learning (17.18.9) and forwarding (17.18.5),
> > respectively. These values
> > are set by the Port State Transition state machine
> > (17.24, fig. 17-18) 
> > (This seems to be implied, but never explicitly
> > stated)
> >  
> > 17.18.5 forwarding
> > This is the operational state for the packet
> > forwarding function. It is
> > set TRUE by the Port State Transitions
> > state machine when packet forwarding is enabled. It
> > is set FALSE by the
> > Port State Transitions state machine
> > when packet forwarding is disabled.
> >  
> > 17.18.9 learning
> > This is the operational state for the source address
> > learning function.
> > It is set TRUE by the Port State Transitions
> > state machine when source address learning is
> > enabled. It is set FALSE
> > by the Port State Transitions
> > state machine when source address learning is
> > disabled.
> >  
> >  
> > 17.24 Port State Transition state machine
> > <snip>
> > On entry to the LEARNING state, learning is enabled
> > and then the
> > learning variable is set TRUE. The state
> > machine transitions back to DISCARDING if learn
> > becomes FALSE, and
> > transitions to FORWARDING if
> > forward becomes TRUE.  What about the flag? (Set
> > Learning flag = 1)
> >  
> > In the FORWARDING state, the tc variable is set TRUE
> > if the Port is not
> > an edge Port; this signals to the
> > Topology Change state machine that topology change
> > information should be
> > propagated, as this Port has
> > been added to the active topology. Forwarding is
> > enabled and then the
> > forwarding variable is set TRUE. The
> > state machine will revert to the DISCARDING state if
> > forward becomes
> > FALSE. What about the flag? (Set Forwarding flag =1)
> > <snip>
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-stds-802-1@majordomo.ieee.org
> > [mailto:owner-stds-802-
> > > 1@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ali Chanaui
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:40 AM
> > > To: stds-802-1@ieee.org
> > > Subject: Q: Learning & Forwarding flags in RST
> > BPDU?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi All,
> > > In IEEE 802.1w in RST BPDU there are two bits:
> > > Learning flag (9.3.3.g) and Forwarding flag
> > (9.3.3.h).
> > > Both of them are referenced to 17.19.16, but there
> > is
> > > no
> > > any any mention about these flags coding.
> > > And what is more: there is no description, how do
> > we
> > > use
> > > these bit in 17.19.8
> > > I read P802.1w/D10, March 26, 2001.
> > > It seems, that:
> > > a) you simply forgot about these flags
> > > b) these flags will be used in future, for example
> > in
> > > .1s
> > > c) thse flags are dedicated for debugging.
> > > d) I missed some significant part of the spec.
> > > 
> > > Please, remove my scruple,
> > > Sincerely yours, Ali
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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Hi,
I would like to remind my conversation with Les (see below).
I don't see this problem solved in the draft.
Do you want to comment this issue?
Yours truly, Alex 

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:28:41 +0200 I replied (asked):
Alex>Les,
Alex>We would like to define "auto selection" for PortPathCost.
Alex>I mean, for example, if dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to "0",
Alex>the agent could select dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32 automatically,
Alex>corresponding to table 17-7 in 17.28.2 of 802.1s.
Alex>When dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to positive value, agent could
Alex>use this value for dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32.
Alex>I don't see any other solution to force the agent to use table 17.7.
Alex>May be I missed something?
Alex>
Alex>Thank you for your interest in my remarks, Alex

On Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:56 AM Les Bell asked
Les> Alex> I expected to see here the objects
Les> Alex> dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 and dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32
Les> Alex> instead of a single dot1dStpPortPathCost32.
Les> Alex> What about it ?
Les> Alex,
Les> Can you explain why we need an Admin and Operational version 
Les> of PathCost, please?
Les> Under what circumstances could these values differ?
Les> Les...



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Alex,

I see the the extra variable as redundant...or maybe I just don't understand
what you mean...

It seems to me that if both the "admin" and the "oper" version of the
variables will be set to the same value at the same time.  So why an extra
variable?  From what I understand, the other parameters have both versions
defined only because the actual operational value changes according to the
environment, i.e. according to the values received/determined from the
BPDUs.  The "admin" version, therefore, stores the desired local value and
the "oper" version stores the actual value used in the network.

I guess we can define the "admin" version just like you say, but I don't
understand how the operational value can be changed automatically.  I'm not
aware of any PDUs that would force you to use a 16-bit or a 32-bit port
cost.  So if you believe we need this, can you propose an algorithm/state
machine for choosing the right value?

Regards,
Vivian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: alexr@nbase.co.il [mailto:alexr@nbase.co.il] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:31 AM
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> Cc: bridge-mib@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txt
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I would like to remind my conversation with Les (see below).
> I don't see this problem solved in the draft.
> Do you want to comment this issue?
> Yours truly, Alex 
> 
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:28:41 +0200 I replied (asked):
> Alex>Les,
> Alex>We would like to define "auto selection" for 
> PortPathCost. I mean, 
> Alex>for example, if dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to "0", the 
> Alex>agent could select dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32 automatically, 
> Alex>corresponding to table 17-7 in 17.28.2 of 802.1s. When 
> Alex>dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to positive value, 
> agent could 
> Alex>use this value for dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32. I don't see any 
> Alex>other solution to force the agent to use table 17.7. May be I 
> Alex>missed something?
> Alex>
> Alex>Thank you for your interest in my remarks, Alex
> 
> On Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:56 AM Les Bell asked
> Les> Alex> I expected to see here the objects 
> Les> Alex> dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 and dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32 
> Les> Alex> instead of a single dot1dStpPortPathCost32. What about it ?
> Les> Alex,
> Les> Can you explain why we need an Admin and Operational version
> Les> of PathCost, please?
> Les> Under what circumstances could these values differ?
> Les> Les...
> 
> 
> 
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> > 
> > 
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line 
> > Internet-Drafts directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Bridge MIB Working Group 
> of the IETF.
> > 
> > 	Title		: Definitions of Managed Objects for 
> > Bridges with Rapid 
> >                           Spanning Tree Protocol
> > 	Author(s)	: E. Bell, V. Ngai
> > 	Filename	: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txt
> > 	Pages		: 17
> > 	Date		: 25-Mar-02
> > 	
> > This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
> > for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP based internets.
> > In particular, it defines a MIB module for managing the Rapid
> > Spanning Tree capability defined by the IEEE P802.1t [802.1t] and
> > P802.1w [802.1w] amendments to IEEE Std 802.1D-1998 for bridging
> > between Local Area Network (LAN) segments.
> > 
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Alex,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I see the the extra variable as redundant...or maybe =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It seems to me that if both the &quot;admin&quot; and =
the &quot;oper&quot; version of the variables will be set to the same =
value at the same time.&nbsp; So why an extra variable?&nbsp; From what =
I understand, the other parameters have both versions defined only =
because the actual operational value changes according to the =
environment, i.e. according to the values received/determined from the =
BPDUs.&nbsp; The &quot;admin&quot; version, therefore, stores the =
desired local value and the &quot;oper&quot; version stores the actual =
value used in the network.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I guess we can define the &quot;admin&quot; version =
just like you say, but I don't understand how the operational value can =
be changed automatically.&nbsp; I'm not aware of any PDUs that would =
force you to use a 16-bit or a 32-bit port cost.&nbsp; So if you =
believe we need this, can you propose an algorithm/state machine for =
choosing the right value?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Vivian</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: alexr@nbase.co.il [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:alexr@nbase.co.il">mailto:alexr@nbase.co.il</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:31 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org; =
Les_Bell@eur.3com.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Cc: bridge-mib@ietf.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] I-D =
ACTION:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txt</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Hi,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I would like to remind my conversation with Les =
(see below).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I don't see this problem solved in the =
draft.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Do you want to comment this issue?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Yours truly, Alex </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:28:41 +0200 I replied =
(asked):</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;Les,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;We would like to define &quot;auto =
selection&quot; for </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; PortPathCost. I mean, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;for example, if =
dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to &quot;0&quot;, the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;agent could select =
dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32 automatically, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;corresponding to table 17-7 in 17.28.2 =
of 802.1s. When </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to =
positive value, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; agent could </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;use this value for =
dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32. I don't see any </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;other solution to force the agent to =
use table 17.7. May be I </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;missed something?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;Thank you for your interest in my =
remarks, Alex</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:56 AM Les Bell =
asked</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Les&gt; Alex&gt; I expected to see here the =
objects </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Les&gt; Alex&gt; dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 =
and dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32 </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Les&gt; Alex&gt; instead of a single =
dot1dStpPortPathCost32. What about it ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Les&gt; Alex,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Les&gt; Can you explain why we need an Admin =
and Operational version</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Les&gt; of PathCost, please?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Les&gt; Under what circumstances could these =
values differ?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Les&gt; Les...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
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MIB Working Group </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Title&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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Objects for </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Bridges with Rapid </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; This memo defines a portion of the =
Management Information Base (MIB)</FONT>
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in TCP/IP based internets.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; In particular, it defines a MIB module for =
managing the Rapid</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Spanning Tree capability defined by the =
IEEE P802.1t [802.1t] and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; P802.1w [802.1w] amendments to IEEE Std =
802.1D-1998 for bridging</FONT>
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Alex,

your suggestion for separate admin and oper values for the port path
cost was originally made on draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-02.txt,
not the RSTP MIB.

I do understand the need to be able to configure a bridge to
automatically determine the path cost of a port, based on the link
speed, as recommended in the standards.  Once you administratively
assign a path cost, changing it again to a value equivalent to the
default value is not the same as automatically determining the path
cost and would not give the desired result if the port re-negotiates
its link speed.  The current MIB does not give us this capability.

I would like to hear some comments from the group, either in favour,
or against, this proposal.

If in favour, should it be added to the SMIv2 Bridge MIB, or the RSTP
MIB?  I prefer the to add it to the RSTP MIB, as the SMIv2 Bridge MIB
is intended only to update the language used for the SMIv1 Bridge MIB,
not to extend the mib.

Les...





alexr@nbase.co.il (Alex Ruzin) on 26/03/2002 13:31:17

Please respond to Arozin@Opticalaccess.com

Sent by:  alexr@nbase.co.il (Alex Ruzin)


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Hi,
I would like to remind my conversation with Les (see below).
I don't see this problem solved in the draft.
Do you want to comment this issue?
Yours truly, Alex

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:28:41 +0200 I replied (asked):
Alex>Les,
Alex>We would like to define "auto selection" for PortPathCost.
Alex>I mean, for example, if dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to "0",
Alex>the agent could select dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32 automatically,
Alex>corresponding to table 17-7 in 17.28.2 of 802.1s.
Alex>When dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to positive value, agent could
Alex>use this value for dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32.
Alex>I don't see any other solution to force the agent to use table 17.7.
Alex>May be I missed something?
Alex>
Alex>Thank you for your interest in my remarks, Alex

On Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:56 AM Les Bell asked
Les> Alex> I expected to see here the objects
Les> Alex> dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 and dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32
Les> Alex> instead of a single dot1dStpPortPathCost32.
Les> Alex> What about it ?
Les> Alex,
Les> Can you explain why we need an Admin and Operational version
Les> of PathCost, please?
Les> Under what circumstances could these values differ?
Les> Les...



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Hi,

In draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-02.txt,
the managed object:

    dot1dStpPortDesignatedPort OBJECT-TYPE
     SYNTAX      OCTET STRING (SIZE (2))
     MAX-ACCESS  read-only
     STATUS      current
     DESCRIPTION
      "The Port Identifier of
       the port on the Designated
       Bridge for this port's segment."
     REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1D-1990: Section 4.5.5.7"
    ::= { dot1dStpPortEntry 9 }

has not been updated with text to 
say what one should do if the bridge
has greater than 255 ports. 

I understand 802.1T has modified how these 16 bits are
being divided up, however I don't think this
object can be reused and must only report 
on the range it is capable of reporting on. 

A new object would have to be added to represent
the new interpretation of the 16 bits in a port identifer.

Testing with existing fielded products 
has shown that the priority bits often just
get shifted out which strikes me as rather broken.

So is is possible that some prose be added to 
the front matter about what a conforming application 
should expect from a device implementing the BRIDGE-MIB 
when it device has > 255 ports?

Thanks,
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Hi Mike,

We depricated dot1dStpPortPathCost for dot1dStpPortPathCost32   I can see
the value of doing a new object dot1dStpPortDesignatedPort.  We don't want
to add new objects if possible, but this does make sense.

What should a conforming application expect from a device implementing the
BRIDGE-MIB when it device has > 255 ports?

K.C.


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Subject: [Bridge-mib] problems with dot1dStpPortDesignatedPort


| Hi,
|
| In draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-02.txt,
| the managed object:
|
|     dot1dStpPortDesignatedPort OBJECT-TYPE
|      SYNTAX      OCTET STRING (SIZE (2))
|      MAX-ACCESS  read-only
|      STATUS      current
|      DESCRIPTION
|       "The Port Identifier of
|        the port on the Designated
|        Bridge for this port's segment."
|      REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1D-1990: Section 4.5.5.7"
|     ::= { dot1dStpPortEntry 9 }
|
| has not been updated with text to
| say what one should do if the bridge
| has greater than 255 ports.
|
| I understand 802.1T has modified how these 16 bits are
| being divided up, however I don't think this
| object can be reused and must only report
| on the range it is capable of reporting on.
|
| A new object would have to be added to represent
| the new interpretation of the 16 bits in a port identifer.
|
| Testing with existing fielded products
| has shown that the priority bits often just
| get shifted out which strikes me as rather broken.
|
| So is is possible that some prose be added to
| the front matter about what a conforming application
| should expect from a device implementing the BRIDGE-MIB
| when it device has > 255 ports?
|
| Thanks,
| Mike MacFaden
|
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Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] problems with dot1dStpPortDesignatedPort
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On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 06:10:14PM -0700, K.C. Norseth wrote:
>We depricated dot1dStpPortPathCost for dot1dStpPortPathCost32   I can see
>the value of doing a new object dot1dStpPortDesignatedPort.  We don't want
>to add new objects if possible, but this does make sense.

Great.

>What should a conforming application expect from a device implementing the
>BRIDGE-MIB when it device has > 255 ports?

I would think a conforming agent would return noSuchInstance for this
managed object for ports > 255.

Regards,
Mike


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RE: [Bridge-mib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txtVivian,
The usage of the "admin" and the "oper" version of the variables in general
is not a purpose of my proposition.
What I meant was: in the current MIB there is no any possibility to say to
an agent, that it (agent) has to use the table 8-5 (.1t) or 17.7 (.1w)
instead of explicit value.
Proposing method allows in "admin" version of the variable or to set
explicit value or to
force an agent to use the table. In the second case we may read from
"oper" version the selected value.
Another solution I see: to allow the variable dot1dStpPortPathCost  to have
a value 0 as a flag for speed based selection. But this method does not
allow us
to know a selected value.
What do you think about this problem and these solutions?
Do you see an another solution?
Yours sincerely, Alex

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Ngai, Vivian [mailto:vngai@enterasys.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 5:50 PM
  To: 'Arozin@Opticalaccess.com'
  Cc: bridge-mib@ietf.org
  Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txt


  Alex,

  I see the the extra variable as redundant...or maybe I just don't
understand what you mean...

  It seems to me that if both the "admin" and the "oper" version of the
variables will be set to the same value at the same time.  So why an extra
variable?  From what I understand, the other parameters have both versions
defined only because the actual operational value changes according to the
environment, i.e. according to the values received/determined from the
BPDUs.  The "admin" version, therefore, stores the desired local value and
the "oper" version stores the actual value used in the network.

  I guess we can define the "admin" version just like you say, but I don't
understand how the operational value can be changed automatically.  I'm not
aware of any PDUs that would force you to use a 16-bit or a 32-bit port
cost.  So if you believe we need this, can you propose an algorithm/state
machine for choosing the right value?

  Regards,
  Vivian

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: alexr@nbase.co.il [mailto:alexr@nbase.co.il]
  > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:31 AM
  > To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org; Les_Bell@eur.3com.com
  > Cc: bridge-mib@ietf.org
  > Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txt
  >
  >
  > Hi,
  > I would like to remind my conversation with Les (see below).
  > I don't see this problem solved in the draft.
  > Do you want to comment this issue?
  > Yours truly, Alex
  >
  > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:28:41 +0200 I replied (asked):
  > Alex>Les,
  > Alex>We would like to define "auto selection" for
  > PortPathCost. I mean,
  > Alex>for example, if dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to "0", the
  > Alex>agent could select dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32 automatically,
  > Alex>corresponding to table 17-7 in 17.28.2 of 802.1s. When
  > Alex>dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 is set to positive value,
  > agent could
  > Alex>use this value for dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32. I don't see any
  > Alex>other solution to force the agent to use table 17.7. May be I
  > Alex>missed something?
  > Alex>
  > Alex>Thank you for your interest in my remarks, Alex
  >
  > On Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:56 AM Les Bell asked
  > Les> Alex> I expected to see here the objects
  > Les> Alex> dot1dStpAdminPortPathCost32 and dot1dStpOperPortPathCost32
  > Les> Alex> instead of a single dot1dStpPortPathCost32. What about it ?
  > Les> Alex,
  > Les> Can you explain why we need an Admin and Operational version
  > Les> of PathCost, please?
  > Les> Under what circumstances could these values differ?
  > Les> Les...
  >
  >
  >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org [mailto:bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org]On
  > > Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
  > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:20 PM
  > > To: IETF-Announce:
  > > Cc: bridge-mib@ietf.org
  > > Subject: [Bridge-mib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txt
  > >
  > >
  > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
  > > Internet-Drafts directories.
  > > This draft is a work item of the Bridge MIB Working Group
  > of the IETF.
  > >
  > >     Title           : Definitions of Managed Objects for
  > > Bridges with Rapid
  > >                           Spanning Tree Protocol
  > >     Author(s)       : E. Bell, V. Ngai
  > >     Filename        : draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txt
  > >     Pages           : 17
  > >     Date            : 25-Mar-02
  > >
  > > This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
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value.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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second case we=20
may read from</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D477041106-31032002>"oper" version the selected =
value.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Times New Roman (Hebrew)" =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D477041106-31032002>Another solution I see: to allow the variable =

dot1dStpPortPathCost&nbsp; to have </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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selection. But this=20
method does not allow us</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Times New Roman (Hebrew)" =
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class=3D477041106-31032002>What do you think about this problem and =
these=20
solutions?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Times New Roman (Hebrew)" =
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solution?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D477041106-31032002>Yours sincerely, Alex</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ngai, Vivian=20
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  PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Arozin@Opticalaccess.com'<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
  bridge-mib@ietf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bridge-mib] I-D=20
  ACTION:draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txt<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Alex,</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>I see the the extra variable as redundant...or maybe =
I just=20
  don't understand what you mean...</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>It seems to me that if both the "admin" and the =
"oper" version=20
  of the variables will be set to the same value at the same time.&nbsp; =
So why=20
  an extra variable?&nbsp; From what I understand, the other parameters =
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  both versions defined only because the actual operational value =
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  from the BPDUs.&nbsp; The "admin" version, therefore, stores the =
desired local=20
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  <P><FONT size=3D2>I guess we can define the "admin" version just like =
you say,=20
  but I don't understand how the operational value can be changed=20
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  <P><FONT size=3D2>Regards,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Vivian</FONT> =
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  <P><FONT size=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
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  size=3D2>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:31 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT =
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  Hi,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; I would like to remind my =
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  something?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; Alex&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT =
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On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:42 PM Les Bell wrote:
Les> your suggestion for separate admin and oper values for the port path
Les> cost was originally made on draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-02.txt,
Les> not the RSTP MIB.

Yes, but RSTP MIB contains the extension to bridge MIB and should
have my proposition (or another solution of this problem) as a correction
along with dot1dStpPathCostDefault.

Les> I do understand the need to be able to configure a bridge to
Les> automatically determine the path cost of a port, based on the link
Les> speed, as recommended in the standards.  Once you administratively
Les> assign a path cost, changing it again to a value equivalent to the
Les> default value is not the same as automatically determining the path
Les> cost and would not give the desired result if the port re-negotiates
Les> its link speed.  The current MIB does not give us this capability.

Yes, you understood me.

Les> I would like to hear some comments from the group, either in favour,
Les> or against, this proposal.

Me too.

Les> If in favour, should it be added to the SMIv2 Bridge MIB, or the RSTP
Les> MIB?  I prefer the to add it to the RSTP MIB, as the SMIv2 Bridge MIB
Les> is intended only to update the language used for the SMIv1 Bridge MIB,
Les> not to extend the mib.

As I pointed above, I think, that you are right, and it should be added to
RSTP MIB.

Apropos, what about MSTP MIB?

Thank you for an attention to my remarks,
yours sincerely, Alex


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