From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 02:15:31 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA20921 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wPn-0003Ew-GB for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:15:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i317F3di012426 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:15:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wPm-0003EA-Ho; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:15:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8w5Z-000541-Ll for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:54:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA08287 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8w5W-0000E7-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:54:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8w4l-00006l-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:53:19 -0500 Received: from web12905.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.72]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8w3d-0007lc-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:52:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20040401065208.66411.qmail@web12905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.90.136.135] by web12905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:52:08 EST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:52:08 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Thomas=20Jeffry?= Subject: RE: [802.1] Re: [Bridge-mib] MSTP (IEEE 802.1s) MIB (or draft) ? To: stds-802-1@ieee.org, Bridge-mib@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <003d01c41667$a44f27b0$87885ac2@Alexr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alex, I am glad to see you again inside the business :) Do you remember, we discussed MSTP traps in the MIB? Did you define them? Could you send your last modification of the draft to stds-802-1@ieee.org, Bridge-mib@ietf.org or rstplib-users@lists.sourceforge.net? Respectfully yours, Thom --- Alex Rozin wrote: > > Hi, > I am ready to participate in this activity as a > volunteer. > It seems that my edition of the draft is > circulating. > Any feedbacks or/and proposition are encouraged to > come > forward. > > Regards, Alex > > Dbh> Hi, > Dbh> > Dbh> There has been inconsistency about whether the > mib modules > Dbh> for new 802.1 > Dbh> functionality would be developed by 802.1 or by > IETF's > Dbh> Bridgemib WG. We > Dbh> are working to improve the consistency of that > decision. > Dbh> > Dbh> The IETF Bridgemib WG has some existing work > near to > Dbh> completion, so they > Dbh> will complete it, and then the WG will probably > close. All new mib > Dbh> editing work for 802.1 functionality will be > done in IEEE > Dbh> 802.1. Some of > Dbh> the IETF MIB Doctors are providing review > services, at least > Dbh> during the transition. > Dbh> > Dbh> A number of companies have written 802.1s mib > modules, and once 802.1 > Dbh> has an editor to do the legwork, and the work > is approved > Dbh> within a PAR, > Dbh> that mib module work can be brought into an > 802.1 effort. The 802.1 WG > Dbh> needs to assess what is still missing that > should be addressed. > Dbh> > Dbh> Volunteers to edit are encouraged to come > forward. > Dbh> > Dbh> Dbh > Dbh> David Harrington > Dbh> Acting co-chair, Bridgemib WG > Dbh> Acting MIB Doctor, IEEE 802.1 > > Ali> Why does .1x (and .1aa) have MIB and .1w & > .1s > > Ali> don't? It seems, that a MIB > > Ali> is not less important here. > > Ali> > > Ali> Is WG going to insert a MIB into new .1D? > > Ali> > > Ali> Regards, Ali > > > =>IEEE 802.1 Email List user information: > http://www.ieee802.org/1/email-pages/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 02:15:32 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA20943 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wPn-0003Ex-G5 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:15:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i317F3cT012427 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:15:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wPm-0003E1-AZ; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:15:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8mkF-00043y-Nn for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:55:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12710 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:55:15 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8mk0-0001gb-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:55:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8mj6-0001dD-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:54:20 -0500 Received: from g48c7.g.pppool.de ([80.185.72.199] helo=james.eecs.iu-bremen.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8miQ-0001aw-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:53:38 -0500 Received: by james.eecs.iu-bremen.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 87C068687; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:53:38 +0200 (CEST) Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:53:38 +0200 Resent-Message-ID: <20040331215338.GA2319@iu-bremen.de> Resent-To: Bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Original-To: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de Received: from localhost (demetrius.iu-bremen.de [212.201.44.32]) by merkur.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5E989606 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:48:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from merkur.iu-bremen.de ([212.201.44.27]) by localhost (demetrius [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17432-02 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:48:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from james.eecs.iu-bremen.de (G48c7.g.pppool.de [80.185.72.199]) by merkur.iu-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FA28960B for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:48:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by james.eecs.iu-bremen.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8083E8687; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:48:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:48:32 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Harrington, David" Cc: Bridge-mib@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] Future directions Message-ID: <20040331214832.GA1310@iu-bremen.de> Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de References: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA017E1113@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA017E1113@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new 20030616p5 at demetrius.iu-bremen.de Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:53:38 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:20:46PM -0500, Harrington, David wrote: > 4) Should they also be published as RFCs? It is important for me that the specifications and the MIB modules are easily accessible. RFCs have proven to be really great in this aspect. So from my view, it really boils down to the question whether IEEE is able to provide simple open and stable acess to the MIBs they produce. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 02:46:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA23970 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wtn-0001m2-7M for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:46:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i317k3l4006809 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:46:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wtl-0001lS-HW; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wt9-0001jd-3A for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:45:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA23913 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8wt5-0004YN-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:45:19 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8ws5-0004Rv-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:44:17 -0500 Received: from web13125.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.143]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8wrV-0004LW-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: <20040401074342.51062.qmail@web13125.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.90.136.135] by web13125.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:43:42 EST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:43:42 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Elisabeth=20Gloria?= Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] Future directions To: "Harrington, David" , Bridge-mib@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA017E1113@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit David, I my opinion (while I am not a member of WG): > 1) Do you agree with having the IEEE write > their own mibs? Yes, I do. > 2) Will you participate in the IEEE 802.1 > process for developing the mib modules? Yes, I will as far as I can. > 3) Do you agree the bridgemib WG should be > closed down, since it will > have completed its charter? No, I wouldn't like, see next item. > 4) Should they also be published as RFCs? Yes, they should. > 5) Synchronization between IEEE/IETF > review/publishing cycles has proven > difficult, so we are considering publishing > Informational RFCs with only > a pointer to the IEEE standard. Would that > suffice? Yes, it would. > For existing 802.1-related MIBs (1493, 1525, 2674, > et al): > 6) Should these be moved to the IEEE? Not, it is not necessarily. > 7) If not, why not? How should the IETF mib modules > be maintained as the > IEEE 802.1 technologies change? These MIBs should be made obsolete by new ones. Regards, Beth Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 03:04:48 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA20941 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wPn-0003Ev-Fq for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:15:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i317F37P012428 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:15:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wPl-0003Dr-Tn; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:15:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8KfD-00025A-9I for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:56:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22583 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8KfB-0006Bo-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:56:25 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8Kee-00063j-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:55:53 -0500 Received: from apollo.nbase.co.il ([194.90.137.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8Kdo-0005oB-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:55:00 -0500 Received: from Alexr ([194.90.136.135]) by apollo.nbase.co.il (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-44418U200L2S100) with SMTP id AAA2728; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:59:28 +0200 Reply-To: From: "Alex Rozin" To: "'Harrington, David'" , "'Ali Chanaui'" , , , Subject: RE: [802.1] Re: [Bridge-mib] MSTP (IEEE 802.1s) MIB (or draft) ? Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:59:45 +0200 Message-ID: <003d01c41667$a44f27b0$87885ac2@Alexr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA017E1007@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am ready to participate in this activity as a volunteer. It seems that my edition of the draft is circulating. Any feedbacks or/and proposition are encouraged to come forward. Regards, Alex Dbh> Hi, Dbh> Dbh> There has been inconsistency about whether the mib modules Dbh> for new 802.1 Dbh> functionality would be developed by 802.1 or by IETF's Dbh> Bridgemib WG. We Dbh> are working to improve the consistency of that decision. Dbh> Dbh> The IETF Bridgemib WG has some existing work near to Dbh> completion, so they Dbh> will complete it, and then the WG will probably close. All new mib Dbh> editing work for 802.1 functionality will be done in IEEE Dbh> 802.1. Some of Dbh> the IETF MIB Doctors are providing review services, at least Dbh> during the transition. Dbh> Dbh> A number of companies have written 802.1s mib modules, and once 802.1 Dbh> has an editor to do the legwork, and the work is approved Dbh> within a PAR, Dbh> that mib module work can be brought into an 802.1 effort. The 802.1 WG Dbh> needs to assess what is still missing that should be addressed. Dbh> Dbh> Volunteers to edit are encouraged to come forward. Dbh> Dbh> Dbh Dbh> David Harrington Dbh> Acting co-chair, Bridgemib WG Dbh> Acting MIB Doctor, IEEE 802.1 > Ali> Why does .1x (and .1aa) have MIB and .1w & .1s > Ali> don't? It seems, that a MIB > Ali> is not less important here. > Ali> > Ali> Is WG going to insert a MIB into new .1D? > Ali> > Ali> Regards, Ali _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 06:46:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA07251 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B90e2-0002Sp-Gd for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:46:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i31Bk2nv009462 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:46:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B90e1-0002SI-Lq; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B90dC-0002RB-ER for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:45:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA07231 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B90d8-0007d8-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:45:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B90cE-0007Xf-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:44:10 -0500 Received: from web13126.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.163]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B90bX-0007Sw-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:43:27 -0500 Message-ID: <20040401114327.87529.qmail@web13126.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.90.136.135] by web13126.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:43:27 EST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:43:27 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Elisabeth=20Gloria?= Subject: Re: [802.1] Re: [Bridge-mib] MSTP (IEEE 802.1s) MIB (or draft) ? To: Bridge-mib@ietf.org Cc: stds-802-1@ieee.org In-Reply-To: <20040315155257.87513.qmail@web12907.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alex, You wrote: > I may [send the MIB], but I am not sure, that > [...] stds-802-1@ieee.org & Bridge-mib@ietf.org > will not consider it as a spam. > I will send it you directly. I must differ with your opinion on the matter: IMO this is a most relevant place to public this document. Apropos, may I ask you regarding your MIB? I see here (I mean an edition, that Thom sent me), that there are a few objects, that are absent in .1s, for example, port roles (dot1sXstPortRole) and ports STP traffic counters (like dot1sPortTxMstBpduCounter). Why do you want to have these objects in the MIB? Regards, Beth Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 15:31:26 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA00139 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B98pu-00058L-S3 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:30:52 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i31KUoca019720 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:30:50 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B98pu-000575-Cs; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:30:50 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B92Mk-00009N-2f for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:36:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12220 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B92MX-0003Eb-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:36:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B92LY-00035R-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:35:05 -0500 Received: from gtfw2.enterasys.com ([12.25.1.128] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B92Ke-0002xL-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:34:08 -0500 Received: from NHROCAVG2.ets.enterasys.com (nhrocavg2.enterasys.com [134.141.79.124]) by gtfw2.enterasys.com (0.25.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i31DY6iR026662 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from psmtp.com ([134.141.79.124]) by 134.141.79.124 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:34:03 -0500 Received: from source ([134.141.77.90]) by host ([134.141.79.124]) with SMTP; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:33:52 -0500 Received: from nhrocmbx1 ([134.141.79.104]) by NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:33:57 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] Future directions X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:33:54 -0500 Message-ID: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA017E114E@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Thread-Topic: [Bridge-mib] Future directions Thread-Index: AcQXuRkhj4KKUQrSTl+kHEtSKNwLOQAL134A From: "Harrington, David" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2004 13:33:57.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBD0CE30:01C417ED] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.5 X-pstn-levels: (C:67.1514 M:99.8514 P:95.9108 R:95.9108 S:99.9000 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.7500) p:13 m:13 C:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juergen, Open availability is a concern. IEEE 802.1 has agreed that the mib modules should be published as text that is freely available. The details aren't completely worked out yet (i.e. I haven't seen it actually put into play yet). I believe the plan is to publish the mib portion in ascii text and make it readily available. The standard of which it is part would still be a PDF that, under the existing "Get IEEE802" program, would be freely available six months after standardization/publication. See http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/ for more information. The plan is pretty consistent with the existing environment, where the IEEE creates and publishes a standard under IEEE publishing/availability rules, and then the IETF Bridgemib WG writes and publishes a MIB module to manage that technology, following IETF publishing/availability rules. The one major difference is that IEEE 802.1 will not make the specifications of the technology or mibs openly available for **public** review during development, which is the IEEE way; the mib documents would typically not be freely and publicly available until six months after they were approved by the IEEE. However, 802.1 is willing to allow IETF WGs controlled access (via WG chairs and MIB Doctors) to the mibs and the technology specification during development for purpose of review. To be clear, I believe the agreement is that an approved person, such as a WG chair, will be given password access to the IEEE document and can post it to an IETF WG public mailing list for review, but cannot divulge the password; this is consistent with the way the bridgemib and hubmib WGs have been working with IEEE. There are obviously some gaping holes in the approach, but we're trying to allow two very different publication/availability systems to work together. So I believe the IEEE will "provide simple open and stable access to the MIBs they produce." It may be desirable to keep the bridgemib WG alive, but dormant, to allow a forum for IETF review of 802.1 mib modules. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:49 PM > To: Harrington, David > Cc: Bridge-mib@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] Future directions >=20 > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:20:46PM -0500, Harrington, David wrote: > =20 > > 4) Should they also be published as RFCs?=20 >=20 > It is important for me that the specifications and the MIB=20 > modules are=20 > easily accessible. RFCs have proven to be really great in this aspect. > So from my view, it really boils down to the question whether IEEE is > able to provide simple open and stable acess to the MIBs they produce. >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen > P.O. Box 750 561,=20 > 28725 Bremen, Germany >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bridge-mib mailing list > Bridge-mib@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 21:11:18 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23401 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9BnP-0000Na-NT for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:40:28 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i31NeQID001435 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:40:26 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B99YL-000873-Gv; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:16:45 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B94Ze-0007Ae-CK for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:57:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA17385 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B94Z5-0000lv-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:57:12 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B94YB-0000hc-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:56:15 -0500 Received: from gtfw2.enterasys.com ([12.25.1.128] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B94XY-0000bQ-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:55:36 -0500 Received: from NHROCAVG2.ets.enterasys.com (nhrocavg2.enterasys.com [134.141.79.124]) by gtfw2.enterasys.com (0.25.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i31FtZiR014823 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com ([134.141.79.124]) by 134.141.79.124 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:55:36 -0500 Received: from source ([134.141.77.90]) by host ([134.141.79.124]) with SMTP; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:55:36 -0500 Received: from nhrocmbx1 ([134.141.79.104]) by NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:55:35 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA017E1190@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Thread-Topic: Access to IEEE mibs Thread-Index: AcQYAcTJ4t+6ufWDRU6fhw0qXDkCEg== From: "Harrington, David" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2004 15:55:36.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5796E00:01C41801] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.5 X-pstn-levels: (C:78.1961 M:99.4056 P:95.9108 R:95.9108 S: 0.2344 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.7500) p:13 m:13 C:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bridge-mib] Access to IEEE mibs Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI. IEEE 802.1 mibs are being made accessible at=20 http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/MIBs/ David Harrington =20 dbh@enterasys.com Director, Network Management Architecture Office of the CTO, Enterasys Networks _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 06:48:04 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA04648 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9JyA-00027Y-9X for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 03:24:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i328O60U008153 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:24:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9ECB-0008LO-6J; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:14:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9CX2-0000Om-Uz for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:27:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA13714 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9CX1-0001n0-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:27:35 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9CW7-0001hB-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:26:40 -0500 Received: from shell4.bayarea.net ([209.128.82.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9CVl-0001b2-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:26:17 -0500 Received: from NB5.dsperkins.com (shell4.bayarea.net [209.128.82.1]) by shell4.bayarea.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i320Q7120403; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:26:07 -0800 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040401160931.023555c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dperkins@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:25:47 -0800 To: Elisabeth Gloria , "Harrington, David" , Bridge-mib@ietf.org From: "David T. Perkins" Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] Future directions In-Reply-To: <20040401074342.51062.qmail@web13125.mail.yahoo.com> References: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA017E1113@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , HI, DBH - In general, the IETF and the IEEE 802.1 have different approaches in what is included in technical specifications for management and the process for standardizing a technical specification. Thus, I would guess that the results from the two different groups would be quite different for the same problem. Thus, I'm not convinced that hands off by the IETF is the approach to take. EG - it concerns me when seeing the statement "These MIBs should be made obsolete by new ones." I'm not sure what you meant. If you meant to "start over", then this is a non-starter. That is, any new technical specification must include unmodified the existing definitions (where they are not technically incorrect), and add new definitions and augmentations of existing definitions. The resulting technical specification containing one of more MIB modules defining object and notification types must allow interoperation between old managers and new agents, and new managers and old agents. What did you mean? At 05:43 PM 4/1/2004 +1000, Elisabeth Gloria wrote: >David, > >I my opinion (while I am not a member of WG): > >> 1) Do you agree with having the IEEE write >> their own mibs? >Yes, I do. > >> 2) Will you participate in the IEEE 802.1 >> process for developing the mib modules? >Yes, I will as far as I can. > >> 3) Do you agree the bridgemib WG should be >> closed down, since it will >> have completed its charter? >No, I wouldn't like, see next item. > >> 4) Should they also be published as RFCs? >Yes, they should. > >> 5) Synchronization between IEEE/IETF >> review/publishing cycles has proven >> difficult, so we are considering publishing >> Informational RFCs with only >> a pointer to the IEEE standard. Would that >> suffice? >Yes, it would. > >> For existing 802.1-related MIBs (1493, 1525, 2674, >> et al): >> 6) Should these be moved to the IEEE? >Not, it is not necessarily. > >> 7) If not, why not? How should the IETF mib modules >> be maintained as the >> IEEE 802.1 technologies change? >These MIBs should be made obsolete by new ones. > >Regards, Beth Regards, /david t. perkins _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 10:06:46 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11794 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9N4z-00027p-K0 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 06:43:22 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i32BhLuT008165 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:43:21 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9IsL-0004AZ-4R; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 02:14:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8wSc-00042W-UO for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:17:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA21796 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8wSZ-0001xY-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:17:55 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B8wRh-0001ty-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:17:01 -0500 Received: from apollo.nbase.co.il ([194.90.137.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B8wQr-0001k9-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 02:16:09 -0500 Received: from Alexr ([194.90.136.135]) by apollo.nbase.co.il (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-44418U200L2S100) with SMTP id AAA2857; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:20:32 +0200 Reply-To: From: "Alex Rozin" To: "'Thomas Jeffry'" , , Subject: RE: [802.1] Re: [Bridge-mib] MSTP (IEEE 802.1s) MIB (or draft) ? Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:20:50 +0200 Message-ID: <006a01c417b9$dcdf3220$87885ac2@Alexr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20040401065208.66411.qmail@web12905.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thom, On Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:52 AM you wrote: > Hi Alex, > I am glad to see you again inside the business :) Thanks. > Do you remember, we discussed MSTP traps in > the MIB? Did you define them? > Could you send your last modification of the draft > to stds-802-1@ieee.org, Bridge-mib@ietf.org or > rstplib-users@lists.sourceforge.net? I may, but I am not sure, that rstplib-users@lists.sourceforge.net is a good place for it, and stds-802-1@ieee.org & Bridge-mib@ietf.org will not consider it as a spam. I will send it you directly. Regards, Alex _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 10:07:53 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11907 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9N65-00029j-QY for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 06:44:29 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i32BiTAJ008285 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:44:29 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9IsL-0004Ai-Ok; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 02:14:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B91Ft-000783-1b for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:25:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08628 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B91Fs-0003N0-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:25:08 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B91Eu-0003IP-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:24:11 -0500 Received: from apollo.nbase.co.il ([194.90.137.2]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B91Dt-0003AM-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:23:05 -0500 Received: from Alexr ([194.90.136.135]) by apollo.nbase.co.il (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-44418U200L2S100) with SMTP id AAA2862; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:28:30 +0200 Reply-To: From: "Alex Rozin" To: "'Elisabeth Gloria'" , Cc: Subject: RE: [802.1] Re: [Bridge-mib] MSTP (IEEE 802.1s) MIB (or draft) ? Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:27:47 +0200 Message-ID: <006b01c417e4$be7e5830$87885ac2@Alexr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C417F5.82072830" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20040401114327.87529.qmail@web13126.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C417F5.82072830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beth, On Thursday, April 01 you wrote: > IMO this [the MSTP MIB draft] is a most relevant place > to public this document. OK, I make you responsible for this :) I attached here a last edition of the draft and a result of its compilation with snmptranslate. > Apropos, may I ask you regarding your MIB? > I see here (I mean an edition, that Thom sent me), > that there are a few objects, that are absent > in .1s, for example, port roles (dot1sXstPortRole) > and ports STP traffic counters > (like dot1sPortTxMstBpduCounter). Why do you want > to have these objects in the MIB? Yes, the bitter experience of management large or/and complicated networks shows, that managers would like to know the reasons of established port states. It constrains to insert the object dot1sXstPortRole. Counters like dot1sPortTxMstBpduCounter carries out a similar function, but more for a debugging. With respect, Alex ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C417F5.82072830 Content-Type: text/plain; name="mstp.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mstp.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MSTP-MIB DEFINITIONS ::=3D BEGIN=0A= -- draft !=0A= =0A= IMPORTS=0A= MODULE-IDENTITY, OBJECT-TYPE, Counter32, TimeTicks=0A= FROM SNMPv2-SMI=0A= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION, DisplayString, TruthValue=0A= FROM SNMPv2-TC=0A= mib-2=0A= FROM RFC1213-MIB=0A= Timeout, BridgeId=0A= FROM BRIDGE-MIB=0A= enterprises=0A= FROM RFC1155-SMI;=0A= =0A= dot1s MODULE-IDENTITY=0A= LAST-UPDATED "200107130000Z"=0A= ORGANIZATION "MRV Communications, Inc."=0A= CONTACT-INFO=0A= "Alex Rozin=0A= MRV Communication, Inc=0A= http://www.mrv.com=0A= Email: ARozin@mrv.com"=0A= =0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "The MIB module for managing Multiple & Rapid = Spanning Treescw=0A= Protocol and algorith. It is dedicated to reflect = IEEE 802.1s."=0A= ::=3D { dot1dBridge XX }=0A= =0A= --=0A= -- Textual Conventions=0A= --=0A= =0A= PortIndex ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION=0A= DISPLAY-HINT "d"=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "A unique value, greater than zero, for each Port=0A= in the managed Bridge.=0A= The value for each PortIndex remain=0A= constant at least from one re-initialization of the entity's=0A= network management system to the next re-initialization."=0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (1..2147483647)=0A= =0A= PortIndexOrZero ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION=0A= DISPLAY-HINT "d"=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "This textual convention is an extension of the=0A= PortIndex convention. The latter defines a greater=0A= than zero value used to identify a Port=0A= in the managed Bridge. This extension permits the=0A= additional value of zero. the value zero is object-specific=0A= and must therefore be defined as part of the description of=0A= any object which uses this syntax. Examples of the usage of=0A= zero might include situations where Port was unknown,=0A= or when none or all Ports need to be referenced."=0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (0..2147483647)=0A= =0A= MstiInstanceIndex ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION=0A= DISPLAY-HINT "d"=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "A unique value, greater than zero, for each Multiple = Spanning=0A= Tree Instance (MSTI) in the managed Bridge.=0A= The value for each MstiInstanceIndex remains=0A= constant for the instance,"=0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (1..64)=0A= =0A= MstiOrCistInstanceIndex ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION=0A= DISPLAY-HINT "d"=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "This textual convention is an extension of the=0A= MstiInstanceIndex convention. This extension permits the=0A= additional value of zero, which means Common and Internal=0A= Spanning Tree (CIST)."=0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (0..64)=0A= =0A= PortId ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION=0A= DISPLAY-HINT "d"=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "The Port Identifier of the Port, see IEEE 802.1s clause = 12.8.2.1.3.c)."=0A= SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE (2))=0A= =0A= dot1sGen OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { dot1s 10 }=0A= -- dot1sGen group reflects configurations/statuses=0A= -- the Bridge as a unit=0A= =0A= dot1sGenBridgeMaxAge OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Timeout (600..4000)=0A= ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "12.8.1.3.a)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 2 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenBridgeHelloTime OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Timeout (100..1000)=0A= ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "12.8.1.3.b)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 3 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenBridgeForwardDelay OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Timeout (400..3000)=0A= ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "12.8.1.3.c)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 4 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenMaxAge OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Timeout (600..4000)=0A= ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "12.8.1.3.a)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 8 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenHelloTime OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Timeout (100..1000)=0A= ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "12.8.1.3.b)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 9 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenForwardDelay OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Timeout (400..3000)=0A= ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "12.8.1.3.c)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 10 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenMaxHops OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (4..30)=0A= ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "13.22.f)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 14 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenHoldTime OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Timeout (100..1000)=0A= ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 15 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenMigrateTime OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Timeout (100..1000)=0A= ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "13.22.d)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 16 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenPathCostDefault OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX INTEGER {=0A= pathCostDefault8021d1998(1),=0A= pathCostDefault8021t2001(2)=0A= }=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "(Copied from = draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-02.txt).=0A= The version of the Spanning Tree default Path = Costs that=0A= are to be used by this Bridge. A value of = pathCostDefault8021d1998(1)=0A= uses the 16-bit default Path Costs from IEEE = Std. 802.1D-1998.=0A= A value of pathCostDefault8021t2001(2) uses = the 32-bit default Path=0A= Costs from IEEE Std. 802.1t."=0A= REFERENCE=0A= "IEEE 802.1D & 802.1t Table 8-5"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 18 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenCapable OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX INTEGER {=0A= nonStp(0),=0A= dot1d1998(1),=0A= dot1w(2),=0A= dot1d2004(3),=0A= dot1s(4),=0A= unknown(5)=0A= }=0A= ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "An indication of wheter the Bridge supports=0A= 'maximum' level Spanning Tree Protocol.=0A= The value nonStp(0) indicates, the Bridge doesn't=0A= support any Spanning Tree Protocol.=0A= The value 'dot1d1998(1)' indicates the Spanning Tree = Protocol=0A= specified in EEE 802.1D-1998, 'dot1w(2)' indicates = the Rapid=0A= Spanning Tree Protocol specified in IEEE 802.1w,=0A= 'dot1d2004' indicates IEEE 802.1D-2004 and=0A= 'dot1s(3)means MSTP IEEE 802.1s."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 19 }=0A= =0A= =0A= dot1sGenForceVersion OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX INTEGER {=0A= forceNonStp(0),=0A= forceLegacyDot1d(1),=0A= forceDot1w(2),=0A= autoDot1s(3),=0A= unknown(4)=0A= }=0A= ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "The value forceNonStp(0) indicates, the Spanning Tree = Protocol=0A= is disabled on the Bridge (or the Spanning Tree = Protocol=0A= Emulation operates). Other possible values are = described=0A= in IEEE 802.1s clause 12.8.1.3.e)"=0A= DEFVAL { autoDot1s }=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 20 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenCfgName OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX DisplayString (SIZE (32))=0A= ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "12.12.3.4.2.b)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 21 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenRevLevel OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Integer32=0A= ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "12.12.3.4.2.c)"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 22 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenBridgeId OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX BridgeId=0A= ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 25 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenReginalRoot OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX BridgeId=0A= ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 26 }=0A= =0A= dot1sGenExternalRootCost OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Integer32=0A= ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sGen 27 }=0A= =0A= =0A= dot1sPortTable OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX SEQUENCE OF Dot1sPortEntry=0A= ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "A table that contains generic information about=0A= every port that is associated with this bridge.=0A= Transparent, source-route, and srt ports are=0A= included."=0A= ::=3D { dot1s 11 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortEntry OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Dot1sPortEntry=0A= ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "A list of information for each port of the=0A= bridge."=0A= INDEX { dot1sPortIndex }=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortTable 1 }=0A= =0A= Dot1sPortEntry ::=3D SEQUENCE {=0A= dot1sPortIndex PortIndex,=0A= dot1sPortAdminMACEnable TruthValue,=0A= dot1sPortOperMACEnable TruthValue,=0A= dot1sPortUpTime TimeTicks,=0A= dot1sPortAdminExternalPathCost Integer32,=0A= dot1sPortOperExternalPathCost Integer32,=0A= dot1sPortAdminEdge TruthValue,=0A= dot1sPortOperEdge TruthValue,=0A= dot1sPortAutoEdge TruthValue,=0A= dot1sPortAdminPointToPoint INTEGER,=0A= dot1sPortOperPointToPoint TruthValue,=0A= dot1sPortHelloTime Timeout,=0A= dot1sPortAdminNonStp TruthValue,=0A= dot1sPortProtocolMigration TruthValue,=0A= dot1sPortRxTcnBpduCounter Counter32,=0A= dot1sPortRxCfgBpduCounter Counter32,=0A= dot1sPortRxRstBpduCounter Counter32,=0A= dot1sPortTxMstBpduCounter Counter32,=0A= dot1sPortTxTcnBpduCounter Counter32,=0A= dot1sPortTxCfgBpduCounter Counter32,=0A= dot1sPortTxRstBpduCounter Counter32,=0A= dot1sPortTxMstBpduCounter Counter32=0A= }=0A= =0A= =0A= dot1sPortIndex OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX PortIndex=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "A unique value, greater than zero, for = each Port.=0A= The value for each interface sub-layer=0A= must remain constant at least from one = re-initialization=0A= of the entity's network management = system to the next re-=0A= initialization."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 1 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortAdminMACEnable OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX TruthValue=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause = 12.8.2.5.2"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 2 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortOperMACEnable OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX TruthValue=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause = 12.8.2.5.2"=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 3 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortUpTime OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX TimeTicks=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "The value of sysUpTime at the time = when the Port=0A= has been enabled by = dot1sPortAdminMACEnable or linked=0A= last time."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 4 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortAdminExternalPathCost OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (0..200000000)=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "The administrative value of the = External Port Cost parameter.=0A= The value 0 means, that Port Cost will = be selected=0A= automatically in correspondence with = the speed of=0A= the attached LAN."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 5 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortOperExternalPathCost OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Integer32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 6 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortAdminEdge OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX TruthValue=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 7 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortOperEdge OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX TruthValue=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 8 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortAutoEdge OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX TruthValue=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 9 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortAdminPointToPoint OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX INTEGER {=0A= forceTrue(0),=0A= forceFalse(1),=0A= auto(2)=0A= }=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 10 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortOperPointToPoint OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX TruthValue=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 11 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortHelloTime OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Timeout (100..1000)=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 12 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortAdminNonStp OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX TruthValue=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 13 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortProtocolMigration OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX TruthValue=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 14 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortRxTcnBpduCounter OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Counter32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 15 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortRxCfgBpduCounter OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Counter32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 16 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortRxRstBpduCounter OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Counter32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 17 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortTxMstBpduCounter OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Counter32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 18 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortTxTcnBpduCounter OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Counter32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 19 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortTxCfgBpduCounter OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Counter32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 20 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortTxRstBpduCounter OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Counter32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 21 }=0A= =0A= dot1sPortTxMstBpduCounter OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Counter32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1s Clause "=0A= ::=3D { dot1sPortEntry 22 }=0A= =0A= =0A= dot1sMapTable OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX SEQUENCE OF Dot1sMapEntry=0A= MAX-ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "MST Configuration table (VID=3D>MSTID translation): = allocates=0A= each and every possible VLAN to CST or a specific MSTI."=0A= ::=3D { dot1s 12 }=0A= =0A= dot1sMapEntry OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Dot1sMapEntry=0A= MAX-ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "MST Configuration table (VID=3D>MSTID translation): = allocates=0A= each and every possible VLAN to CST or a specific MSTI."=0A= INDEX { dot1sMapMSTiID, dot1sMapVlanId }=0A= ::=3D { dot1sMapTable 1 }=0A= =0A= Dot1sMapEntry ::=3D SEQUENCE {=0A= dot1sMapMSTiID MstiInstanceIndex,=0A= dot1sMapVlanId Integer32,=0A= dot1sMapRowStatus INTEGER=0A= }=0A= =0A= dot1sMapMSTiID OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX MstiInstanceIndex=0A= MAX-ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "GETNEXT opration shows only entries, which have = non-zero=0A= dot1sMapVlanId."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sMapEntry 1 }=0A= =0A= dot1sMapVlanId OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (0..4095)=0A= MAX-ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sMapEntry 2 }=0A= =0A= dot1sMapRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX INTEGER {=0A= create(1),=0A= delete(2),=0A= exists(3),=0A= isAbsent(4)=0A= }=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sMapEntry 3 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstTable OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX SEQUENCE OF Dot1sXstEntry=0A= MAX-ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1s 13 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstEntry OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Dot1sXstEntry=0A= MAX-ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= INDEX { dot1sXstId }=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstTable 1 }=0A= =0A= Dot1sXstEntry ::=3D SEQUENCE {=0A= dot1sXstId MstiOrCistInstanceIndex,=0A= dot1sXstBridgePriority Integer32,=0A= dot1sXstBridgeId BridgeId,=0A= dot1sXstDesignatedRoot BridgeId,=0A= dot1sXstDesignatedBridge BridgeId,=0A= dot1sXstInternalRootCost Integer32,=0A= dot1sXstRootPort dot1sXstRootPort,=0A= dot1sXstTimeSinceTopologyChange TimeTicks,=0A= dot1sXstTopologyChangesCount Counter32,=0A= dot1sXstTopologyChangeFlag TruthValue=0A= }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstId OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX MstiOrCistInstanceIndex=0A= MAX-ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "0 means CIST."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 1 }=0A= =0A= =0A= dot1sXstBridgePriority OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (0..61440)=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "Bridge priority, in steps of 4096."=0A= DEFVAL { 32768 }=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 2 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstBridgeId OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX BridgeId=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 3 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstDesignatedRoot OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX BridgeId=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 4 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstDesignatedBridge OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX BridgeId=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 5 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstInternalRootCost OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Integer32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 6 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstRootPort OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX PortIndexOrZero=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 7 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstTimeSinceTopologyChange OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX TimeTicks=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 11 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstTopologyChangesCount OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Counter32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 12 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstTopologyChangeFlag OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX TruthValue=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstEntry 13 }=0A= =0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortTable OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX SEQUENCE OF Dot1sXstPortEntry=0A= ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1s 14 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortEntry OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Dot1sXstPortEntry=0A= ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= REFERENCE=0A= "."=0A= INDEX { dot1sXstPortXstId, dot1sXstPortIndex }=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortTable 1 }=0A= =0A= =0A= Dot1sXstPortEntry ::=3D=0A= SEQUENCE {=0A= dot1sXstPortXstId = MstiOrCistInstanceIndex,=0A= dot1sXstPortIndex PortIndex,=0A= dot1sXstPortState INTEGER, =0A= dot1sXstPortRole INTEGER, =0A= dot1sXstPortDesignatedRoot BridgeId,=0A= dot1sXstPortExternalRootCost Integer32,=0A= dot1sXstPortRegionalBridge BridgeId,=0A= dot1sXstPortInternalRootCost Integer32,=0A= dot1sXstPortDesignatedBridge BridgeId,=0A= dot1sXstPortDesignatedPort PortId,=0A= dot1sXstPortPriority Integer32,=0A= dot1sXstPortAdminInternalPathCost Integer32,=0A= dot1sXstPortOperInternalPathCost Integer32=0A= }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortXstId OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX MstiOrCistInstanceIndex=0A= MAX-ACCESS not-accessible=0A= STATUS mandatory=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "0 means CIST."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 1 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortIndex OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX PortIndex=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "The value of dot1sPortIndex of the = Port=0A= in dot1sPortTable."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 2 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortState OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX INTEGER {=0A= disabled(1),=0A= discarding(1),=0A= learning(2),=0A= forwarding(3),=0A= unknown(4)=0A= }=0A= =0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 3 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortRole OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX INTEGER {=0A= disabled(1),=0A= alternate(2),=0A= backup(3), =0A= root(4),=0A= designated(5),=0A= master(6),=0A= nonStp(7),=0A= unknown(8)=0A= }=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 4 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortDesignatedRoot OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX BridgeId=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 6 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortExternalRootCost OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX Integer32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 7 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortRegionalBridge OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX BridgeId=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 8 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortInternalRootCost OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX Integer32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 9 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortDesignatedBridge OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX BridgeId=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 10 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortDesignatedPort OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX PortId=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 14 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortPriority OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (0..255)=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "Port priority, in steps of 16."=0A= DEFVAL { 128 }=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 15 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortAdminInternalPathCost OBJECT-TYPE =0A= SYNTAX Integer32 (0..200000000)=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-write=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "The value 0 means, that the cost = will be selected=0A= automatically."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 16 }=0A= =0A= dot1sXstPortOperInternalPathCost OBJECT-TYPE=0A= SYNTAX Integer32=0A= MAX-ACCESS read-only=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sXstPortEntry 17 }=0A= =0A= -- Traps=0A= =0A= dot1sTraps OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { dot1s 0 }=0A= =0A= dos1sNewRootBridge NOTIFICATION-TYPE=0A= OBJECTS { dot1sXstId }=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "The dos1sNewRootBridge trap indicates that the=0A= sending agent has become the new root of the=0A= Spanning Tree in the CIST or in any MSTI; the=0A= trap is sent by a bridge soon after its election=0A= as the new root, e.g., upon expiration of the=0A= Topology Change Timer immediately subsequent to=0A= its election. Implementation of this trap is=0A= optional."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sTraps 1 }=0A= =0A= dos1sNewRootPort NOTIFICATION-TYPE=0A= OBJECTS { dot1sXstId, dot1sXstPortIndex }=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "The dos1sNewRootPort trap indicates that the=0A= sending agent has changed the root Port of the=0A= Spanning Tree in the CIST or in any MSTI. If the = instance=0A= has become a root one, the sending value of the=0A= parameter dot1sXstPortIndex is equal to zero. The=0A= trap is sent by a bridge soon after its election=0A= as the new root Port, e.g., upon expiration of the=0A= Topology Change Timer immediately subsequent to=0A= its election. Implementation of this trap is=0A= optional."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sTraps 2 }=0A= =0A= dos1sTopologyChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE=0A= OBJECTS { dot1sXstId, dot1sXstPortIndex, dot1sXstPortState }=0A= STATUS current=0A= DESCRIPTION=0A= "A dos1sTopologyChange trap is sent by a bridge = when=0A= any of its configured ports n any instance (CIST = or MSTI)=0A= transitions from the=0A= Learning state to the Forwarding state, or from=0A= the Forwarding state to the Blocking state. The=0A= trap is not sent if a dos1sNewRootBridge trap is = sent for the=0A= same transition. Implementation of this trap is=0A= optional."=0A= ::=3D { dot1sTraps 3 }=0A= =0A= END=0A= =0A= =0A= ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C417F5.82072830 Content-Type: text/plain; name="mstp_mib.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mstp_mib.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +--dot1s(XX)=0A= |=0A= +--dot1sTraps(0)=0A= | |=0A= | +--dos1sNewRootBridge(1) | | | | | +- OBJECTS { dot1sXstId }=0A= | |=0A= | +--dos1sNewRootPort(2)=0A= | | | | | +- OBJECTS { dot1sXstId, dot1sXstPortIndex }=0A= | |=0A= | +--dos1sTopologyChange(3)=0A= | | | +- OBJECTS { dot1sXstId, dot1sXstPortIndex, dot1sXstPortState }=0A= |=0A= +--dot1sGen(10)=0A= | |=0A= | +-- -RW- INTEGER dot1sGenBridgeMaxAge(2)=0A= | | Textual Convention: Timeout=0A= | | Range: 600..4000=0A= | +-- -RW- INTEGER dot1sGenBridgeHelloTime(3)=0A= | | Textual Convention: Timeout=0A= | | Range: 100..1000=0A= | +-- -RW- INTEGER dot1sGenBridgeForwardDelay(4)=0A= | | Textual Convention: Timeout=0A= | | Range: 400..3000=0A= | +-- -R-- INTEGER dot1sGenMaxAge(8)=0A= | | Textual Convention: Timeout=0A= | | Range: 600..4000=0A= | +-- -R-- INTEGER dot1sGenHelloTime(9)=0A= | | Textual Convention: Timeout=0A= | | Range: 100..1000=0A= | +-- -R-- INTEGER dot1sGenForwardDelay(10)=0A= | | Textual Convention: Timeout=0A= | | Range: 400..3000=0A= | +-- -RW- Integer32 dot1sGenMaxHops(14)=0A= | | Range: 4..30=0A= | +-- -RW- INTEGER dot1sGenHoldTime(15)=0A= | | Textual Convention: Timeout=0A= | | Range: 100..1000=0A= | +-- -RW- INTEGER dot1sGenMigrateTime(16)=0A= | | Textual Convention: Timeout=0A= | | Range: 100..1000=0A= | +-- -RW- EnumVal dot1sGenPathCostDefault(18)=0A= | | Values: pathCostDefault8021d1998(1), = pathCostDefault8021t2001(2)=0A= | +-- -R-- EnumVal dot1sGenCapable(19)=0A= | | Values: nonStp(0), dot1d1998(1), dot1w(2), dot1d2004(3), = dot1s(4), unknown(5)=0A= | +-- -RW- EnumVal dot1sGenForceVersion(20)=0A= | | Values: forceNonStp(0), forceLegacyDot1d(1), = forceDot1w(2), autoDot1s(3), unknown(4)=0A= | +-- -RW- String dot1sGenCfgName(21)=0A= | | Textual Convention: DisplayString=0A= | | Size: 32=0A= | +-- -RW- Integer32 dot1sGenRevLevel(22)=0A= | +-- -R-- String dot1sGenBridgeId(25)=0A= | | Textual Convention: BridgeId=0A= | | Size: 8=0A= | +-- -R-- String dot1sGenReginalRoot(26)=0A= | | Textual Convention: BridgeId=0A= | | Size: 8=0A= | +-- -R-- Integer32 dot1sGenExternalRootCost(27)=0A= |=0A= +--dot1sPortTable(11)=0A= | |=0A= | +--dot1sPortEntry(1)=0A= | | Index: dot1sPortIndex=0A= | |=0A= | +-- -R-- Integer32 dot1sPortIndex(1)=0A= | | Textual Convention: PortIndex=0A= | | Range: 1..2147483647=0A= | +-- -RW- EnumVal dot1sPortAdminMACEnable(2)=0A= | | Textual Convention: TruthValue=0A= | | Values: true(1), false(2)=0A= | +-- -R-- EnumVal dot1sPortOperMACEnable(3)=0A= | | Textual Convention: TruthValue=0A= | | Values: true(1), false(2)=0A= | +-- -R-- TimeTicks dot1sPortUpTime(4)=0A= | +-- -RW- Integer32 dot1sPortAdminExternalPathCost(5)=0A= | | Range: 0..200000000=0A= | +-- -R-- Integer32 dot1sPortOperExternalPathCost(6)=0A= | +-- -RW- EnumVal dot1sPortAdminEdge(7)=0A= | | Textual Convention: TruthValue=0A= | | Values: true(1), false(2)=0A= | +-- -R-- EnumVal dot1sPortOperEdge(8)=0A= | | Textual Convention: TruthValue=0A= | | Values: true(1), false(2)=0A= | +-- -RW- EnumVal dot1sPortAutoEdge(9)=0A= | | Textual Convention: TruthValue=0A= | | Values: true(1), false(2)=0A= | +-- -RW- EnumVal dot1sPortAdminPointToPoint(10)=0A= | | Values: forceTrue(0), forceFalse(1), auto(2)=0A= | +-- -R-- EnumVal dot1sPortOperPointToPoint(11)=0A= | | Textual Convention: TruthValue=0A= | | Values: true(1), false(2)=0A= | +-- -RW- INTEGER dot1sPortHelloTime(12)=0A= | | Textual Convention: Timeout=0A= | | Range: 100..1000=0A= | +-- -RW- EnumVal dot1sPortAdminNonStp(13)=0A= | | Textual Convention: TruthValue=0A= | | Values: true(1), false(2)=0A= | +-- -RW- EnumVal dot1sPortProtocolMigration(14)=0A= | | Textual Convention: TruthValue=0A= | | Values: true(1), false(2)=0A= | +-- -R-- Counter dot1sPortRxTcnBpduCounter(15)=0A= | +-- -R-- Counter dot1sPortRxCfgBpduCounter(16)=0A= | +-- -R-- Counter dot1sPortRxRstBpduCounter(17)=0A= | +-- -R-- Counter dot1sPortTxMstBpduCounter(18)=0A= | +-- -R-- Counter dot1sPortTxTcnBpduCounter(19)=0A= | +-- -R-- Counter dot1sPortTxCfgBpduCounter(20)=0A= | +-- -R-- Counter dot1sPortTxRstBpduCounter(21)=0A= | +-- -R-- Counter dot1sPortTxMstBpduCounter(22)=0A= |=0A= +--dot1sMapTable(12)=0A= | |=0A= | +--dot1sMapEntry(1)=0A= | | Index: dot1sMapMSTiID, dot1sMapVlanId=0A= | |=0A= | +-- ---- Integer32 dot1sMapMSTiID(1)=0A= | | Textual Convention: MstiInstanceIndex=0A= | | Range: 1..64=0A= | +-- ---- Integer32 dot1sMapVlanId(2)=0A= | | Range: 0..4095=0A= | +-- -RW- EnumVal dot1sMapRowStatus(3)=0A= | Values: create(1), delete(2), exists(3), isAbsent(4)=0A= |=0A= +--dot1sXstTable(13)=0A= | |=0A= | +--dot1sXstEntry(1)=0A= | | Index: dot1sXstId=0A= | |=0A= | +-- ---- Integer32 dot1sXstId(1)=0A= | | Textual Convention: MstiOrCistInstanceIndex=0A= | | Range: 0..64=0A= | +-- -RW- Integer32 dot1sXstBridgePriority(2)=0A= | | Range: 0..61440=0A= | +-- -R-- String dot1sXstBridgeId(3)=0A= | | Textual Convention: BridgeId=0A= | | Size: 8=0A= | +-- -R-- String dot1sXstDesignatedRoot(4)=0A= | | Textual Convention: BridgeId=0A= | | Size: 8=0A= | +-- -R-- String dot1sXstDesignatedBridge(5)=0A= | | Textual Convention: BridgeId=0A= | | Size: 8=0A= | +-- -R-- Integer32 dot1sXstInternalRootCost(6)=0A= | +-- -R-- Integer32 dot1sXstRootPort(7)=0A= | | Textual Convention: PortIndexOrZero=0A= | | Range: 0..2147483647=0A= | +-- -R-- TimeTicks dot1sXstTimeSinceTopologyChange(11)=0A= | +-- -R-- Counter dot1sXstTopologyChangesCount(12)=0A= | +-- -R-- EnumVal dot1sXstTopologyChangeFlag(13)=0A= | Textual Convention: TruthValue=0A= | Values: true(1), false(2)=0A= |=0A= +--dot1sXstPortTable(14)=0A= |=0A= +--dot1sXstPortEntry(1)=0A= | Index: dot1sXstPortXstId, dot1sXstPortIndex=0A= |=0A= +-- ---- Integer32 dot1sXstPortXstId(1)=0A= | Textual Convention: MstiOrCistInstanceIndex=0A= | Range: 0..64=0A= +-- -R-- Integer32 dot1sXstPortIndex(2)=0A= | Textual Convention: PortIndex=0A= | Range: 1..2147483647=0A= +-- -R-- EnumVal dot1sXstPortState(3)=0A= | Values: disabled(1), discarding(1), learning(2), = forwarding(3), unknown(4)=0A= +-- -R-- EnumVal dot1sXstPortRole(4)=0A= | Values: disabled(1), alternate(2), backup(3), root(4), = designated(5), master(6), nonStp(7), unknown(8)=0A= +-- -R-- String dot1sXstPortDesignatedRoot(6)=0A= | Textual Convention: BridgeId=0A= | Size: 8=0A= +-- -R-- Integer32 dot1sXstPortExternalRootCost(7)=0A= +-- -R-- String dot1sXstPortRegionalBridge(8)=0A= | Textual Convention: BridgeId=0A= | Size: 8=0A= +-- -R-- Integer32 dot1sXstPortInternalRootCost(9)=0A= +-- -R-- String dot1sXstPortDesignatedBridge(10)=0A= | Textual Convention: BridgeId=0A= | Size: 8=0A= +-- -R-- String dot1sXstPortDesignatedPort(14)=0A= | Textual Convention: PortId=0A= | Size: 2=0A= +-- -RW- Integer32 dot1sXstPortPriority(15)=0A= | Range: 0..255=0A= +-- -RW- Integer32 dot1sXstPortAdminInternalPathCost(16)=0A= | Range: 0..200000000=0A= +-- -R-- Integer32 dot1sXstPortOperInternalPathCost(17)=0A= ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C417F5.82072830-- _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 16:37:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02148 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9WLc-0005mu-Rb for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:37:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i32Lb839022248 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:37:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org 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Perkins" Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] Future directions In-Reply-To: <005401c418c5$156ff820$0301a8c0@tom3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , HI, See inline comment.... At 04:12 PM 4/2/2004 +0100, Tom Petch wrote: >I see no problem in the IEEE producing their own MIB modules; many >organisations do it already, in fact, follow the path >iso(1).member-body(2).us(840).ieee802dot11(10036) and you will find the MIB >module for IEEE 802.11 entities. > >I think that the MIB module should only appear in an RFC if the IEEE want >it rooted in .1.3.6.1.2.1 otherwise they can do as many other organisations >do and produce their own. > >Since IEEE are the recognised experts in this technology, of bridges and >such-like, then I think it makes a lot of sense for them to control the MIB >module. Management is different. It is not until you deploy and use a technology do you really gain the insight to be able to effectively manage it. I believe that IEEE's technical specification development and standardization process (unless it has changed since I last participated) is not balanced to create "high quality" MIB specifications. But maybe it's changed or is being guided by participants that understand the issues with developing specifications for management. >It is then harder, more expensive, for the likes of me to be >involved but that is the nature of the IEEE. > >Of course the MIB module will be different, increasingly so over the years >eg in using character sets we do not, in its treatment of IPR, in setting >aside our conventions as laid out in draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines >and whatever else is produced by the IETF. But that is the nature of >development and progress. We should only oppose this if we, as the >originators of the 'MIB module' technology, have a strong reason for doing >so and I have not heard one yet. > >Tom Petch > >ps is this worth cross posting to the mibs list? Regards, /david t. perkins _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 16:49:12 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03908 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9VVD-0006lH-7E for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:42:59 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i32Kgxaa025992 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:42:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9SIt-0007cE-8M; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:18:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9QQg-0003bI-Ly for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:17:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA13111 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9QQe-0005YC-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:17:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9QPn-0005RQ-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:17:04 -0500 Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.160.9]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9QOy-0005CA-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:16:12 -0500 Received: from tom3 (1Cust153.tnt1.lnd4.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.130.153]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E6F511C000DE; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:15:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <005401c418c5$156ff820$0301a8c0@tom3> Reply-To: "Tom Petch" From: "Tom Petch" To: , "David T. Perkins" Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] Future directions Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:12:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see no problem in the IEEE producing their own MIB modules; many organisations do it already, in fact, follow the path iso(1).member-body(2).us(840).ieee802dot11(10036) and you will find the MIB module for IEEE 802.11 entities. I think that the MIB module should only appear in an RFC if the IEEE want it rooted in .1.3.6.1.2.1 otherwise they can do as many other organisations do and produce their own. Since IEEE are the recognised experts in this technology, of bridges and such-like, then I think it makes a lot of sense for them to control the MIB module. It is then harder, more expensive, for the likes of me to be involved but that is the nature of the IEEE. Of course the MIB module will be different, increasingly so over the years eg in using character sets we do not, in its treatment of IPR, in setting aside our conventions as laid out in draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines and whatever else is produced by the IETF. But that is the nature of development and progress. We should only oppose this if we, as the originators of the 'MIB module' technology, have a strong reason for doing so and I have not heard one yet. Tom Petch ps is this worth cross posting to the mibs list? -----Original Message----- From: David T. Perkins To: Elisabeth Gloria ; Harrington, David ; Bridge-mib@ietf.org Date: 02 April 2004 09:23 Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] Future directions >HI, > >DBH - In general, the IETF and the IEEE 802.1 have different approaches >in what is included in technical specifications for management and the >process for standardizing a technical specification. Thus, I would >guess that the results from the two different groups would be quite >different for the same problem. Thus, I'm not convinced that hands >off by the IETF is the approach to take. > >EG - it concerns me when seeing the statement "These MIBs should be >made obsolete by new ones." I'm not sure what you meant. If you meant >to "start over", then this is a non-starter. That is, any new technical >specification must include unmodified the existing definitions >(where they are not technically incorrect), and add new definitions >and augmentations of existing definitions. The resulting technical >specification containing one of more MIB modules defining object >and notification types must allow interoperation between old managers >and new agents, and new managers and old agents. >What did you mean? > >At 05:43 PM 4/1/2004 +1000, Elisabeth Gloria wrote: >>David, >> >>I my opinion (while I am not a member of WG): >> >>> 1) Do you agree with having the IEEE write >>> their own mibs? >>Yes, I do. >> >>> 2) Will you participate in the IEEE 802.1 >>> process for developing the mib modules? >>Yes, I will as far as I can. >> >>> 3) Do you agree the bridgemib WG should be >>> closed down, since it will >>> have completed its charter? >>No, I wouldn't like, see next item. >> >>> 4) Should they also be published as RFCs? >>Yes, they should. >> >>> 5) Synchronization between IEEE/IETF >>> review/publishing cycles has proven >>> difficult, so we are considering publishing >>> Informational RFCs with only >>> a pointer to the IEEE standard. Would that >>> suffice? >>Yes, it would. >> >>> For existing 802.1-related MIBs (1493, 1525, 2674, >>> et al): >>> 6) Should these be moved to the IEEE? >>Not, it is not necessarily. >> >>> 7) If not, why not? How should the IETF mib modules >>> be maintained as the >>> IEEE 802.1 technologies change? >>These MIBs should be made obsolete by new ones. >> >>Regards, Beth >Regards, >/david t. perkins > >_______________________________________________ >Bridge-mib mailing list >Bridge-mib@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 2 17:10:15 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA06882 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9W3F-00067E-Ns for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:18:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i32LI9Ku023509 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:18:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9SYQ-00018Z-GD; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:34:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9Qza-0007lo-Bj for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:54:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15054 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9QzX-0002d2-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:53:59 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9QyY-0002TX-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:52:59 -0500 Received: from tierw.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9QxZ-0002KQ-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:51:57 -0500 Received: from tierw.net.avaya.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tierw.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i32FlQE0023941 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by tierw.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i32FlOE0023895 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:47:25 -0500 (EST) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] Future directions Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:51:54 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Future directions Thread-Index: AcQXXaZ1rb6wTKpMS2C783lQS3CDmwA2Hnow From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Harrington, David" , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 2 agorot (~ 0.8 cents) in-text. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Harrington, David > Sent: 31 March, 2004 10:21 PM > To: Bridge-mib@ietf.org > Subject: [Bridge-mib] Future directions >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > The bridgemib work has stalled, and we're working to un-stall it. >=20 > We have been in discussions with IEEE 802.1, and they are willing to > write their own mibs because this will help them produce mibs > contemporaneously with the managed functionality. I will be providing > MIB Doctor reviews for them during the transition, and possibly after > the transition. IEEE 802.1 plans to publish mibs as part of their > standard in their normal PDF format, and also make the mibs=20 > available in > text format for import into mib compilers and applications. >=20 > I have been working with Bert, and our current expectation is that the > Bridgemib WG will finalize the existing bridgemib WG=20 > documents, and then > presumably close down. I am working to get the four remaining=20 > documents > finalized and into WG last call. >=20 > Bert raised a good point; we should ask what the implementers and > deployers of the mibs would like as a future direction. So let me > stimulate some discussion, so the powers-that-be in IETF and IEEE have > some guidance: >=20 > 1) Do you agree with having the IEEE write their own mibs? yes > 2) Will you participate in the IEEE 802.1 process for=20 > developing the mib > modules? yes > 3) Do you agree the bridgemib WG should be closed down, since it will > have completed its charter? >=20 yes > For future mibs produced by IEEE: > 4) Should they also be published as RFCs?=20 > If they are published as RFCs, this would probably be as Informational > only. The IEEE standard would be the official version, and to=20 > the degree > we could achieve it, the IETF might publish a mirror copy.=20 yes, if the IEEE 802.1 WG wishes it so. > 5) Synchronization between IEEE/IETF review/publishing cycles=20 > has proven > difficult, so we are considering publishing Informational=20 > RFCs with only > a pointer to the IEEE standard. Would that suffice? >=20 yes. If this was a problem for a large base of customers or users of = these MIBs, we would have seen a more consistent participation in the = Bridge MIB WG. > For existing 802.1-related MIBs (1493, 1525, 2674, et al): > 6) Should these be moved to the IEEE? yes, if the IEEE 802.1 WG wishes so. > 7) If not, why not? How should the IETF mib modules be=20 > maintained as the > IEEE 802.1 technologies change? No, because this becomes an IEEE problem. The last years experience = shows that there is no longer enough interest in the IETF to sustain = IEEE 802.1 MIBs development and maintenance. > 8) If yes, what should we do with the existing standards? Would making > them Historic and replacing them with Informational RFCs that point to > the IEEE standards documents suffice? One Informational RFC defining this process, and pointing to the IEEE = standards documents would be welcome. >=20 > David Harrington =20 > dbh@enterasys.com > Director, Network Management Architecture > Office of the CTO, Enterasys Networks >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bridge-mib mailing list > Bridge-mib@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib >=20 _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Apr 3 08:56:29 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21261 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9lcu-0003PA-PE for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:56:01 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i33Du0Dh013083 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:56:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9lcu-0003On-7Z; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:56:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9lcC-00035b-77 for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:55:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21217 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9lcA-0000qf-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:55:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9lal-0000fO-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:53:48 -0500 Received: from gtfw2.enterasys.com ([12.25.1.128] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9laQ-0000ZJ-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:53:26 -0500 Received: from NHROCAVG2.ets.enterasys.com (nhrocavg2.enterasys.com [134.141.79.124]) by gtfw2.enterasys.com (0.25.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i33DrPiR001868 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com ([134.141.79.124]) by 134.141.79.124 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:53:24 -0500 Received: from source ([134.141.77.90]) by host ([134.141.79.124]) with SMTP; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:53:24 -0500 Received: from nhrocmbx1 ([134.141.79.104]) by NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:53:24 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:53:22 -0500 Message-ID: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA017E12D0@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Thread-Topic: 802.1s mib Thread-Index: AcQZOffLwznYTNQ0SrSqZvwcTWI8qgAR7W6w From: "Harrington, David" To: "Tony Jeffree" , "Congdon, Paul T \(ProCurve\)" Cc: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2004 13:53:24.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[0835A4C0:01C41983] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.5 X-pstn-levels: (C:79.5348 M:98.0742 P:95.9108 R:95.9108 S:17.9688 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.7500) p:13 m:13 C:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bridge-mib] 802.1s mib Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > >On a related note, shouldn't the .1s MIB be part of an=20 > updated Q-BRIDGE > >MIB instead of a separate MIB? >=20 > Absolutely. S is now part of Q anyway. >=20 Will all implementors of Q also implement S, or is it an optional part of Q? If it is an optional part of Q, then it would probably be best to write a separate mib that supplements the Q mib. This approach is generally easier for implementors and users. Note that you can have multiple mib modules defined in the same document. Updating mibs: SNMP has some strict rules about versioning of mibs, detailed in the SMIv2 documents (RFCs 2578, 79, and 80). It is important to follow these rules to ensure interoperability between agent implementations and manager implementations, which are often implemented by different vendors.=20 A technology standard such as Q might be able to be modified, and a device either supports the old way or the new way, but with SNMP it is almost always a requirement that multi-vendor applications support both ways, so the two ways cannot be in conflict (with very few clearly-identified exceptions) or it can cause real interoperability problems.=20 Having a separate mib for optional functionality helps to ensure that mibs like the Q mib don't change, so people can count on it for interoperability. dbh _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Apr 3 12:45:28 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28064 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9pCX-0007HQ-Kl for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:45:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i33Hj17O027985 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:45:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9pCX-0007HF-0B; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:45:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9pCU-0007Ei-EF for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:44:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28013 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9pCS-0004lv-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:44:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9pBe-0004eR-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:44:08 -0500 Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.160.9]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9pA0-0004Oh-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:42:24 -0500 Received: from tom3 (1Cust85.tnt2.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.13.85]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3ABD61C000CF for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:41:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000a01c419a2$abc49500$0301a8c0@tom3> Reply-To: "Tom Petch" From: "Tom Petch" To: Subject: Re [Bridge-mib] Future directions Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:38:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see no problem in the IEEE producing their own MIB modules; many organisations do it already, in fact, follow the path iso(1).member-body(2).us(840).ieee802dot11(10036) and you will find the MIB module for IEEE 802.11 entities. I think that the MIB module should only appear in an RFC if the IEEE want it rooted in .1.3.6.1.2.1 otherwise they can do as many other organisations do and produce their own. Since IEEE are the recognised experts in this technology, of bridges and such-like, then I think it makes a lot of sense for them to control the MIB module. It is then harder, more expensive, for the likes of me to be involved but that is the nature of the IEEE. Of course the MIB module will be different, increasingly so over the years eg in using character sets we do not, in its treatment of IPR, in setting aside our conventions as laid out in draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines and whatever else is produced by the IETF. But that is the nature of development and progress. We should only oppose this if we, as the originators of the 'MIB module' technology, have a strong reason for doing so and I have not heard one yet. Tom Petch ps is this worth cross posting to the mibs list? >-----Original Message----- >From: David T. Perkins >To: Elisabeth Gloria ; Harrington, David >; Bridge-mib@ietf.org >Date: 02 April 2004 09:23 >Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] Future directions > > >>HI, >> >>DBH - In general, the IETF and the IEEE 802.1 have different approaches >>in what is included in technical specifications for management and the >>process for standardizing a technical specification. Thus, I would >>guess that the results from the two different groups would be quite >>different for the same problem. Thus, I'm not convinced that hands >>off by the IETF is the approach to take. >> >>EG - it concerns me when seeing the statement "These MIBs should be >>made obsolete by new ones." I'm not sure what you meant. If you meant >>to "start over", then this is a non-starter. That is, any new technical >>specification must include unmodified the existing definitions >>(where they are not technically incorrect), and add new definitions >>and augmentations of existing definitions. The resulting technical >>specification containing one of more MIB modules defining object >>and notification types must allow interoperation between old managers >>and new agents, and new managers and old agents. >>What did you mean? >> >>At 05:43 PM 4/1/2004 +1000, Elisabeth Gloria wrote: >>>David, >>> >>>I my opinion (while I am not a member of WG): >>> >>>> 1) Do you agree with having the IEEE write >>>> their own mibs? >>>Yes, I do. >>> >>>> 2) Will you participate in the IEEE 802.1 >>>> process for developing the mib modules? >>>Yes, I will as far as I can. >>> >>>> 3) Do you agree the bridgemib WG should be >>>> closed down, since it will >>>> have completed its charter? >>>No, I wouldn't like, see next item. >>> >>>> 4) Should they also be published as RFCs? >>>Yes, they should. >>> >>>> 5) Synchronization between IEEE/IETF >>>> review/publishing cycles has proven >>>> difficult, so we are considering publishing >>>> Informational RFCs with only >>>> a pointer to the IEEE standard. Would that >>>> suffice? >>>Yes, it would. >>> >>>> For existing 802.1-related MIBs (1493, 1525, 2674, >>>> et al): >>>> 6) Should these be moved to the IEEE? >>>Not, it is not necessarily. >>> >>>> 7) If not, why not? How should the IETF mib modules >>>> be maintained as the >>>> IEEE 802.1 technologies change? >>>These MIBs should be made obsolete by new ones. >>> >>>Regards, Beth >>Regards, >>/david t. perkins >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Bridge-mib mailing list >>Bridge-mib@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib > _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Apr 3 13:18:31 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28865 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9piU-0006lz-CB for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:18:02 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i33II2Q7026036 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:18:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9piT-0006li-RJ; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:18:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B9piQ-0006ku-1P for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:17:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA28859 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9piO-0000h8-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:17:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1B9phX-0000bX-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:17:03 -0500 Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.160.73]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9pgf-0000NV-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:16:09 -0500 Received: from tom3 (1Cust208.tnt4.lnd1.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.17.208]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CBBCC1C00061; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:15:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <011901c419a7$63263e20$0301a8c0@tom3> Reply-To: "Tom Petch" From: "Tom Petch" To: "Harrington, David" Cc: Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] 802.1s mib Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:12:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to be clear on the basics (which I think I am), I think you need to mind your p's and q's or in this case s's and Q's. IEEE Std 802.1Q tm, 2003 Edition incorporates IEEE Std 802.1s tm, -2002 so .1s is history. This is not to say it won't appear in many product websites for years to come, even in places yet more inaccurately as .1S; but strictly, it has gone. And of course this is a difference between IETF, where RFC1157 refers to the same string of ASCII in perpetuity and 802.1Q does not; the latter needs a qualifying date. So any .1Q MIB module needs a qualifier after it. And while these IEEE publications do contain PICS proforma, they do not - for me - contain much by way of conformance, certainly not the macro-specified conformance that is now part of any IETF MIB module. So while the IEEE may have a good data model ready to be turned into a MIB module, I think there is much work to be done in producing meaningful subsets for remote management and IMO the actual IEEE document structure is not a good place to start, ie MIB modules should cut across document boundaries. It then becomes unrealistic to talk of a .1s or .1Q MIB module. Tom Petch -----Original Message----- From: Harrington, David To: Tony Jeffree ; Congdon, Paul T (ProCurve) Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) ; Bridge-mib@ietf.org Date: 03 April 2004 14:56 Subject: [Bridge-mib] 802.1s mib > > >On a related note, shouldn't the .1s MIB be part of an > updated Q-BRIDGE > >MIB instead of a separate MIB? > > Absolutely. S is now part of Q anyway. > Will all implementors of Q also implement S, or is it an optional part of Q? If it is an optional part of Q, then it would probably be best to write a separate mib that supplements the Q mib. This approach is generally easier for implementors and users. Note that you can have multiple mib modules defined in the same document. Updating mibs: SNMP has some strict rules about versioning of mibs, detailed in the SMIv2 documents (RFCs 2578, 79, and 80). It is important to follow these rules to ensure interoperability between agent implementations and manager implementations, which are often implemented by different vendors. A technology standard such as Q might be able to be modified, and a device either supports the old way or the new way, but with SNMP it is almost always a requirement that multi-vendor applications support both ways, so the two ways cannot be in conflict (with very few clearly-identified exceptions) or it can cause real interoperability problems. Having a separate mib for optional functionality helps to ensure that mibs like the Q mib don't change, so people can count on it for interoperability. dbh _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 12 12:35:29 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28036 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD4Ok-0008Kw-2k for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:35:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3CGZ2nm032038 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:35:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD4Oj-0008KX-K4; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:35:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD4OE-0008Jc-0t for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:34:33 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA27997 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD4OB-0007jI-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:34:27 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD4Mt-0007UN-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:33:08 -0400 Received: from gtfw2.enterasys.com ([12.25.1.128] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD4LR-0007H1-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:31:37 -0400 Received: from NHROCAVG2.ets.enterasys.com (nhrocavg2.enterasys.com [134.141.79.124]) by gtfw2.enterasys.com (0.25.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i3CGVPTD029799 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com ([134.141.79.124]) by 134.141.79.124 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:31:26 -0400 Received: from source ([134.141.77.90]) by host ([134.141.79.124]) with SMTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:31:26 -0400 Received: from nhrocmbx1 ([134.141.79.104]) by NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:31:26 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA01976AB5@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Thread-Topic: Pre-last-call review Thread-Index: AcQgq5DX673qatjDT2a5j+gxxmNMAw== From: "Harrington, David" To: Cc: "Les Bell" , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2004 16:31:26.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[99ADFEF0:01C420AB] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.5 X-pstn-levels: (C:84.0661 M:99.4056 P:95.9108 R:95.9108 S: 9.9288 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.7500) p:13 m:13 C:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bridge-mib] Pre-last-call review Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We need reviews of the documents approaching last call. I am seeking volunteers to commit to providing specific types of reviews for each document over the next two weeks. We need for each document: 1) a spelling and grammar check 2) an ID NITs check 3) a boilerplate check (as called for in draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02) 4) a libsmi and/or smicng compiler check (as in draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02) 5) a mib review guidelines check (thorough draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02) 6) an IEEE/IETF sync review - have the IEEE designs changed such that these mibs are no longer appropriate? 7) a design review - do the tables/indexing make sense? Part of the goal here is to determine that there is wide support for these documents to move forward, so I'm looking for a number of reviewers from different companies. =20 Once this has been done, we'll change and republish the documents if necessary. Then we'll do a WG last call. The documents are: draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-06=20 draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04 draft-ietf-bridge-ext-v2-02 draft-ietf-bridge-8021x-03 The documents are available at http://www.rfc-editor.org/cgi-bin/idsearch.pl Thanks, Dbh David Harrington =20 dbh@enterasys.com co-chair, IETF SNMPv3 WG, concluded Acting co-chair, IETF Bridge WG _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 12 14:38:29 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03724 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD6Jl-0004b3-UC for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:38:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3CIc1hJ017660 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:38:01 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD6Jl-0004aW-2y; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:38:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BD6JE-0004P2-QS for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:37:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03609 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD6JB-0000pC-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:37:25 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BD6Fy-0000Re-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:34:07 -0400 Received: from gtfw2.enterasys.com ([12.25.1.128] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BD6DG-00003G-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:31:18 -0400 Received: from NHROCAVG2.ets.enterasys.com (nhrocavg2.enterasys.com [134.141.79.124]) by gtfw2.enterasys.com (0.25.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i3CIVBTD009109 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psmtp.com ([134.141.79.124]) by 134.141.79.124 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:31:13 -0400 Received: from source ([134.141.77.90]) by host ([134.141.79.124]) with SMTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:31:12 -0400 Received: from nhrocmbx1 ([134.141.79.104]) by NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:31:12 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:30:57 -0400 Message-ID: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA01976ADE@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Thread-Topic: Editor candidates Thread-Index: AcQgvEw5EYlMGWcUTse0H4UM55vQUg== From: "Harrington, David" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2004 18:31:12.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[54EEC090:01C420BC] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.5 X-pstn-levels: (C:78.1961 M:98.9607 P:95.9108 R:95.9108 S: 0.7066 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.7500) p:13 m:13 C:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bridge-mib] Editor candidates Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Anybody choosing to edit mibs for IEEE 802.1 needs to be(come) an IEEE member. You should start the process by joining at www.ieee.org.=20 You should then tell Tony Jaffree mailto:tony@jeffree.co.uk that you wish to be considered for an 802.1 editor position. dbh David Harrington =20 dbh@enterasys.com Director, Network Management Architecture Office of the CTO, Enterasys Networks _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 13 12:52:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21649 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDR6P-000363-Jm for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:49:38 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3DGnbUx011903 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:49:37 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDQwn-0000ue-Pd; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:39:41 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDQqR-0006oc-1I for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:33:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20382 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDQqM-0000Rd-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:33:02 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDQl2-0007iU-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:27:33 -0400 Received: from shell4.bayarea.net ([209.128.82.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDQfr-00074B-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:22:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (heard@localhost) by shell4.bayarea.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i3DGLni15810; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:21:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: shell4.bayarea.net: heard owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:21:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "C. M. Heard" X-Sender: heard@shell4.bayarea.net To: "Harrington, David" cc: Bridge-mib@ietf.org, Les Bell , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] Pre-last-call review In-Reply-To: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA01976AB5@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Harrington, David wrote: > We need reviews of the documents approaching last call. I am > seeking volunteers to commit to providing specific types of > reviews for each document over the next two weeks. One of the documents in your list was draft-ietf-bridge-8021x-03.txt I've posted quite a few comments on this document to this list in the past and have done much of what you request. There are a few as-yet unresolved comments from myself and Bert Wijnen; please see http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/working-groups/bridge/current/msg00275.html and the references/followups. Let me now check off what I did/did not do: > We need for each document: > 1) a spelling and grammar check I did not do this. > 2) an ID NITs check I think I did this, but another pair of eyes would help. > 3) a boilerplate check (as called for in > draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02) See comments referenced above ... Bert and I have asked that the boilerplate be updated. > 4) a libsmi and/or smicng compiler check (as in > draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02) Done. > 5) a mib review guidelines check (thorough > draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-02) Done to the extent that it is applicable. Note that this document is a republication of a MIB module from an existing IEEE standard, and so there are some points in the MIB review guidelines that do not apply. In particular, the standard copyright notices do not apply (we had a LONG discussion about that, it would be a shame to go through it again because people forgot about it, or some reviewer was not aware of it). Also, we are not in a position to fix design problems, since we are just republishing an existing module. Indeed, The only changes that were made were some things of a technical nature that were needed to get the module to compile. > 6) an IEEE/IETF sync review - have the IEEE > designs changed such that these mibs are no > longer appropriate? I have verified that the module matches the one on the IEEE web site, modulo the changes put in that were needed to make it compile. However, the IEEE was working on an update while this was going on. I don't know the status of tat effort, but if the IEEE has finished that work, then we should probably republishe the new version, not this one. > 7) a design review - do the tables/indexing make sense? I don't think that's applicable in the case of a republication of an existing IEEE module. In any case I have not done that. Mike Heard _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 13 14:47:07 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26991 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDSqF-00022a-DA for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:41:03 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3DIf3Dj007835 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:41:03 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDShX-0000e0-Fs; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:32:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDScW-0008SJ-NP for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:26:54 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26147 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDScT-0002sm-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:26:49 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDSbL-0002lT-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:25:40 -0400 Received: from tiere.net.avaya.com ([198.152.12.100]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDSa2-0002fL-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:24:18 -0400 Received: from tiere.net.avaya.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiere.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3DIN3gL014551 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by tiere.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3DIN1gL014513 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:23:02 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] Pre-last-call review X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:24:07 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Bridge-mib] Pre-last-call review Thread-Index: AcQhc33EyPuY9nEGRdekefrMquK2CAAEIf4w From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "C. M. Heard" , "Harrington, David" Cc: , "Les Bell" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > 6) an IEEE/IETF sync review - have the IEEE > > designs changed such that these mibs are no > > longer appropriate? >=20 > I have verified that the module matches the one > on the IEEE web site, modulo the changes put in > that were needed to make it compile. However, > the IEEE was working on an update while this > was going on. I don't know the status of tat > effort, but if the IEEE has finished that > work, then we should probably republishe the > new version, not this one. >=20 Mike is raising a good issue. What is the point of issuing a MIB = document aligned with the older version of IEEE 802.1X? The revision = (D9) was in Sponsor Ballot last February, so it should not be far from = approval. Regards, Dan _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 13 17:43:59 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11451 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDVUY-0003SZ-GA for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:30:50 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3DLUoKb013286 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:30:50 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDVIf-0006wK-4B; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:18:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDUbE-0003Yo-HX for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:33:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA05763 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDUbC-00077z-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:33:38 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDUV6-0006NX-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:27:21 -0400 Received: from gtfw2.enterasys.com ([12.25.1.128] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDUPv-0005lP-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:21:59 -0400 Received: from NHROCAVG2.ets.enterasys.com (nhrocavg2.enterasys.com [134.141.79.124]) by gtfw2.enterasys.com (0.25.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i3DKLmTD008614 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com ([134.141.79.124]) by 134.141.79.124 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:21:49 -0400 Received: from source ([134.141.77.90]) by host ([134.141.79.124]) with SMTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:21:49 -0400 Received: from nhrocmbx1 ([134.141.79.104]) by NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:21:49 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FW: [Bridge-mib] Pre-last-call review Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:21:30 -0400 Message-ID: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA01976BC1@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Thread-Topic: [Bridge-mib] Pre-last-call review Thread-Index: AcQhc33EyPuY9nEGRdekefrMquK2CAAEIf4wAAF9iyAAAre58A== From: "Harrington, David" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2004 20:21:49.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[F32151A0:01C42194] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.5 X-pstn-levels: (C:82.4442 M:97.3254 P:95.9108 R:95.9108 S:99.9000 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.7500) p:13 m:13 C:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan, I asked the question deliberately because I thought they might be out of sync already.=20 I tend to favor the idea of putting out an Informational RFC with a pointer to the IEEE 802.1X mib, or an Informational RFC with a pointer to the website for IEEE 802.1 mibs. I think we will never keep them in sync, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to publish an IETF version of the mib. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:24 PM > To: C. M. Heard; Harrington, David > Cc: Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Les Bell > Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] Pre-last-call review >=20 > > > 6) an IEEE/IETF sync review - have the IEEE > > > designs changed such that these mibs are no > > > longer appropriate? > >=20 > > I have verified that the module matches the one > > on the IEEE web site, modulo the changes put in > > that were needed to make it compile. However, > > the IEEE was working on an update while this > > was going on. I don't know the status of tat > > effort, but if the IEEE has finished that > > work, then we should probably republishe the > > new version, not this one. > >=20 >=20 > Mike is raising a good issue. What is the point of issuing a=20 > MIB document aligned with the older version of IEEE 802.1X?=20 > The revision (D9) was in Sponsor Ballot last February, so it=20 > should not be far from approval. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 14 13:10:35 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07178 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDnPk-00006D-M5 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:39:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3EGd446000381 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:39:04 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDnBe-00052c-8a; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:24:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BDmWv-0006WO-CY for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:42:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA02431 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDmWu-0002py-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:42:24 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BDmW1-0002jJ-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:41:30 -0400 Received: from auemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.223.161] helo=auemail1.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BDmUz-0002TY-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:40:26 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by auemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i3EFdOj02349 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:39:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1690KVW2>; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:39:22 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B155041241EB@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: "Harrington, David" , Bridge-mib@ietf.org Cc: "Mreview (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:39:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: [Bridge-mib] RE: LLDP MIBs Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I get these SMICng errors: C:\bwijnen\smicng\work>smicng lldp.inc E: f(lldp.mib), (493,15) Default value for "lldpPortConfigAdminStatus" must be a name and not a number E: f(lldp.mib), (506,15) Default value for "lldpPortConfigNotificationEnable" must be a name and not a number *** 2 errors and 0 warnings in parsing Have only done SMICng checking sofar Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com] > Sent: dinsdag 6 april 2004 17:52 > To: Bridge-mib@ietf.org > Cc: Mreview (E-mail) > Subject: FW: LLDP MIBs > > > Hi, > > FYI. > > These are the latest revisions of the mibs for the 802.1AB Link-Layer > discovery protocol. These are being developed in the IEEE. I > welcome any > review you can manage. Any comments must be filed with the IEEE by the > end of this week. > > dbh > > -----Original Message----- > From: CONGDON,PAUL (HP-Roseville,ex1) [mailto:paul.congdon@hp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:48 PM > To: McTague, Charles; Harrington, David; 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'; 'Les > Bell' > Subject: FW: LLDP MIBs > > > Here is the next set of pre-view stuff for D9. I will be > uploading this > to > the 802.1 web-site and announcing it to the group, but since you folks > are > likely the ones to perform any kind of real review I wanted > to get it to > you > sooner than later... > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cetin Ersoy [mailto:cetin@mtghouse.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:39 AM > To: Congdon, Paul > Subject: LLDP MIBs > > > Paul, > Attached please find the updated LLDP base and extension MIB > modules. In > order to make the review process easier, I also attached the diffs (as > pdf > documents.) These diffs show the differences between the preview MIBs > and > MIBs with the recent updates. Above is the list of what have > changed in > this > version. I tried to map some items to proposed comments > where comments > are > applicable. LLDP base MIB: > -------------- > o Updated MODULE-IDENTITY Clauses. (Comment 77) > o Fixed typo in lldpExtensions. (Comment 82) > o Added references to external MIB objects that are used in TCs. > (Comment 78) > o Added 'ifName' enumeration to LldpChassisIdType and > LldpPortIdType > TCs. > (Comment 79) > o Added 'agentCircuitId' enumeration to LldpPortIdType TC. > (Comment 83) > o Added reference to the Std. in LldpManAddrIfSubtype description. > o Improved LldpManAddress description. > o Added 'other' enumeration to LldpSystemCapabilitiesMap. > (Comment 80) > o Extended the LldpPortNumber range to have max 4096 ports and > changed > the LldpPortList syntax accordingly. > (Comment 84) > o Removed compliance statements from configuration objects > regarding > non-volatile storage. I used more generic term 'non-volatile > storage' instead of 'non-volatile RAM'. Please correct > me if that > is not the right word. > o Updated the description of lldpPortConfigAdminStatus object. > (Comment 78) > o Updated the lldpNotificationInterval object and moved the ability > to turn on/off notifications to a per-port basis object called: > lldpPortConfigNotificationEnable. Changed the default > value to 5. > o Changed the default value of lldpPortConfigTLVsTxEnable to be an > empty set. > o Removed 'num' from statistical counters. > (Comment 78) > o Updated descriptions that uses sysUpTime to include references to > that object. > o Improved description of lldpStatsPortCounterDisconTime. > o Updated descriptions of lldpLocSysName, lldpLocSysDesc, > lldpLocPortDesc to include references to external objects. > o Removed the ambiguous paragraph from lldpRemIndex description. > o Updated the description of lldpRemUnknownTLVTable. > o Fixed lldpLocManAddrLen objects 'access' type to be 'read-only' > from > 'not-accessible' > LLDP 802.1 extension MIB: > ------------------------- > o Removed Editor comments. > o Updated lldpXdot1LocPortVlanId, lldpXdot1LocProtoVlanId, > lldpXdot1RemPortVlanId, lldpXdot1RemProtoVlanId types to include > '0' values. (Comment 85) > o Updated lldpXdot1LocVlanNameTable descriptions. > (Comment 86) > o Changed lldpXdot1LocVlanId type to VlanId (imported from > q-bridge.mib.) > (Comment 87) > o Updated lldpXdot1LocProtocolTable descriptions. > (Comment 88) > LLDP 802.3 extension MIB: > ------------------------- > o Changed the default value of > lldpXdot3PortConfigTLVsTxEnable to be > an empty set. > o Changed lldpXdot3[Loc|Rem]PortPMDCapability, > lldpXdot3[Loc|Rem]PortFaultIndication, > lldpXdot3[Loc|Rem]PowerPairs, > lldpXdot3[Loc|Rem]PowerClass objects' types. Note that > lldpXdot3[Loc|Rem]PortPMDDefaultConfig is really AutonomousType. > o Renamed lldpXdot3[Loc|Rem]PowerPair objects to > lldpXdot3[Loc|Rem]PowerPairs. > o Updated lldpXdot3LocLinkAggPortId and lldpXdot3RemLinkAggPortId > types to include '0' values. > Please let me know if you have any questions. > Regards, > Cetin > > > _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 16 17:33:25 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA11438 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEasW-0006wy-9c for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:28:04 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3GLS4dr026710 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:28:04 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEagr-0003r4-IU; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:16:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BEadN-0002Xu-FJ for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:12:25 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10574 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BEadK-0002Pp-Vw for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BEacO-0002N1-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:11:26 -0400 Received: from gtfw2.enterasys.com ([12.25.1.128] ident=firewall-user) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEabY-0002LJ-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:10:32 -0400 Received: from NHROCAVG2.ets.enterasys.com (nhrocavg2.enterasys.com [134.141.79.124]) by gtfw2.enterasys.com (0.25.1/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i3GLASTm015333 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com ([134.141.79.124]) by 134.141.79.124 with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:10:17 -0400 Received: from source ([134.141.77.90]) by host ([134.141.79.124]) with SMTP; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:10:17 -0400 Received: from nhrocmbx1 ([134.141.79.104]) by NHROCCNC1.ets.enterasys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:10:17 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C423F7.37EAC55F" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA01976F78@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: Bridge wg charter Thread-Index: AcQjN7soAeMSaZI/Q8eWxnzgqhcJmQAfcTjQABBCikA= From: "Harrington, David" To: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" , Cc: "Bernard Aboba" , "Les Bell" , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2004 21:10:17.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[3817E1C0:01C423F7] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.5 X-pstn-levels: (C:93.2377 M:96.5825 P:95.9108 R:95.9108 S:99.9000 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.2500) p:13 m:13 c:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: [Bridge-mib] FW: Bridge wg charter Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C423F7.37EAC55F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I have revised the charter to focus on the four outstanding documents, and then to work out how the IETF Bridge WG will work with the IEEE 802.1 WG for future mib work. If the WG finds this rewrite acceptable, we can try to get it in the IESG docket next week. Comments, please. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:19 PM > To: Harrington, David; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Les Bell > Cc: David Kessens (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Bridge wg charter >=20 > Thanks for the initiative Dave. >=20 > So when you write a milestone like "Submit an ID...." > do you them mean "submit to IESG or AD" ?? > Or is that just posting it as an I-D in internet-drafts > repository. Pls make that clear.=20 > And most important, I need dates by when you think to=20 > "request publication" i.e. when you submit it to AD or IESG for > publication. >=20 > I am also confused by milestones: > Jun 04 Submit the SMIv2 version of RFC 1493=20 > (draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2) for publication > as a Proposed Standard.=20 > Jul 04 Evaluate status of RFC 1493 and get WG consensus if > advancement or other status change should be requested=20 >=20 > So does that mean that "evaluation starts after the SMIv2=20 > version of the=20 > ID has been "submitted" (whatever that means)? But even then,=20 > the ID is for > PS and this is to evaluate if 1493 needs to be advanced. >=20 > Maybe it is just me. >=20 > I also think we should write something about how we think we're going > to interact with and get involvement from IEEE 802.1, no? > (pls make sure we get proepr IEEE people involved in teh review) >=20 > But pls adapt that a bit to make it clearer, and then feel free to > discuss on WG mailing list. If we have a feel for how well it > is supported next week, then I can put it on IESG agenda. I then need > it by Wednesday at the latest. >=20 > Pls also keep Bernard up to date, he is now generic IETF=20 > liasion to IEEE > 802, so it is good if he stays informed. >=20 > Thanks, > Bert=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com] > > Sent: donderdag 15 april 2004 19:30 > > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Les Bell; bwijnen@lucent.com > > Subject: RE: Bridge wg charter > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi Bert, > >=20 > > Dan and Les have looked over this charter revision. They also=20 > > pushed for > > later dates on the milestones, so I pushed them out. Are you OK with > > this revision? > >=20 > > We are in agreement that it doesn't make sense to publish a mirror > > 802.1X, but a pointer document would probably be good. We=20 > > haven't run it > > by the WG yet. > >=20 > > dbh > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 > > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:05 PM > > > To: Harrington, David; Les Bell > > > Subject: RE: Bridge wg charter > > >=20 > > > David, > > >=20 > > > You did not send an updated charter, but if it is the old one=20 > > > with updated schedules I am fine.=20 > > >=20 > > > I am OK with an informational RFC. I would keep then separate=20 > > > at this stage. The reason is that the situation with 802.3=20 > > > MIBs for example is different - mainly because the IEEE 802.3=20 > > > WG took in the past a different approach than 802.1.=20 > > >=20 > > > yes, they are calling themselves Working Groups.=20 > > >=20 > > > Regards, > > >=20 > > > Dan > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com] > > > > Sent: 15 April, 2004 7:56 PM > > > > To: Les Bell; Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > > > Subject: RE: Bridge wg charter > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Hi, > > > >=20 > > > > I've updated the milestones with new dates. If you're=20 > > > > satisfied with it, > > > > and Bert is satisfied with it, we can send it to the WG for=20 > > > > discussion. > > > > While I have discussed finalizing the documents with the=20 > > editors, I > > > > would like to have the editors make a public commitment=20 > > to finalize > > > > within the milestone dates. > > > >=20 > > > > I agree that it doesn't make sense to publish 802.1X, but=20 > > I think we > > > > need to run this through the consensus process. Part of my=20 > > > > "survey", my > > > > proposed charter wording, and the request for a "sync" review=20 > > > > was meant > > > > to make this apparent. > > > >=20 > > > > Do you think we should have an informational rfc for 802.1=20 > > > > mibs, another > > > > 802.3, etc., or just one with pointers to IEEE mib pages=20 > > for various > > > > subgroups/areas (what DO they call these in IEEE)? If we=20 > > do this for > > > > IEEE, other SDOs may want similar treatment, so one rfc=20 > > might be the > > > > simplest approach. > > > >=20 > > > > It would be good if the RFC search engine could find keys=20 > > > > such as 802.1, > > > > 802.3, 802.11, 802 and IEEE to find the relevant rfc(s). > > > >=20 > > > > dbh > > > >=20 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Les Bell [mailto:Les_Bell@eur.3com.com]=20 > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:08 AM > > > > > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > > > > Cc: Harrington, David > > > > > Subject: RE: Bridge wg charter > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Thanks. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I agree with Dan that you should allow another month for each=20 > > > > > of the dates > > > > > listed, unless you believe that the drafts currently issued=20 > > > > > are ready for last > > > > > call now. If not you will need to persuade those on the=20 > > > > > mailing list to submit > > > > > comments, apply appropriate edits, and release a new draft=20 > > > > > before going to last > > > > > call. This could easily take more than the 6 weeks up to the=20 > > > > > end of May. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I think there is no longer any point in submitting the draft=20 > > > > > that duplicates the > > > > > original 802.1X MIB with corrections applied. This MIB is=20 > > > > > due to be superseded > > > > > with the revised publication of the 802.1X standard, which=20 > > > > > includes the > > > > > corrections made in the current internet-draft, plus a number=20 > > > > > of other changes > > > > > required by changes to the 802.1X standard itself. Perhaps=20 > > > > > you should poll the > > > > > mailing list for opinions on this. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I think it may be worthwhile generating an Informational RFC=20 > > > > > pointing to the > > > > > 802.1 web site for the 802.1 MIBs, the 802.3 web-site for the=20 > > > > > LACP MIB, and any > > > > > other MIBs that may be available. (I believe 802.11=20 > > > > > generated some MIBs, but I > > > > > do not know about their content or availability.) > > > > >=20 > > > > > Les... > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" on=20 > > 14/04/2004 09:52:26 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Sent by: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > To: Les Bell/GB/3Com, "Harrington, David"=20 > > > > > > cc: > > > > > Subject: RE: Bridge wg charter > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Regards, > > > > >=20 > > > > > Dan > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Les Bell [mailto:Les_Bell@eur.3com.com] > > > > > > Sent: 14 April, 2004 11:48 AM > > > > > > To: Harrington, David > > > > > > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > > > > > Subject: RE: Bridge wg charter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi David, > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not receive the updated charter mentioned in=20 > this email > > > > > > trail. Could you > > > > > > send it to me again please. > > > > > > > > > > > > Les... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Harrington, David" on=20 > 13/04/2004 22:48:59 > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent by: "Harrington, David" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Romascanu, Dan \, Les Bell/GB/3Com > > > > > > cc: > > > > > > Subject: RE: Bridge wg charter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course it's basically the same; I'm not trying to change=20 > > > > > what we're > > > > > > doing, just trying to clarify the goals and set some > > > > > > milestones to shoot > > > > > > for. I found the current documents and the milestones=20 > > > > > didn't match up > > > > > > well, and wanted to better reflect the current documents and > > > > > > what needs > > > > > > to be done. I can push up the dates if you think that's=20 > > > > > prudent, but I > > > > > > do want to see this work done asap; my initial pass=20 > had April > > > > > > 04 dates, > > > > > > and I changed them to May at Bert's request. > > > > > > > > > > > > We do have editors. The documents are close to complete. KC=20 > > > > > and Vivian > > > > > > will continue to finalize the documents, as they can. If the > > > > > > work drags > > > > > > on, they won't. Tom Petch has offered to help edit. David=20 > > > > > Levi offered > > > > > > to review the RSTP document. Mike already did some=20 > > review of the > > > > > > documents. I think we should have adequate personnel to=20 > > > > achieve our > > > > > > goals. > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked for the multiple types of reviews because I want to=20 > > > > > gauge the > > > > > > level of interest from the members of the WG in completing > > > > > > these tasks. > > > > > > If they have no interest in completing the work, we can=20 > > > > > check with the > > > > > > IEEE to see if they have enough interest to complete the=20 > > > > > documents. If > > > > > > not, then we can probably just throw the documents away.=20 > > > > I came into > > > > > > this role with the expectation that such might be=20 > the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is possible there will be little interest because some=20 > > > > > of the work > > > > > > that has been done is largely editorial, e.g. converting=20 > > > > rfc1493 to > > > > > > SMIv2 format, and much of the work to be done is related to > > > > > > publication > > > > > > standards not technology standards, e.g. meeting the=20 > > mib review > > > > > > guidelines CLRs, or is simply formalizing in a MIB what has > > > > > > already been > > > > > > defined clearly enough by the IEEE. The IETF really could=20 > > > > > use a "good > > > > > > enough" status for documents. There isn't much in these=20 > > > > > documents that > > > > > > stimulates me as an NMS vendor, even though the IEEE=20 > > technology > > > > > > interests me as a hardware vendor. We'll see whether the > > > > > > industry/mailinglist is really interested in these=20 > > mibs or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > dbh > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:28 PM > > > > > > > To: Harrington, David; Les Bell > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Bridge wg charter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically it's the same as the existing charter,=20 > isn't it? I > > > > > > > would write part of the text differently, but it's at > > > > > > > wordsmithing level and I am not sure it's worth=20 > the effort. > > > > > > > Maybe if we say - 'it's just the previous charter, we just > > > > > > > try to wrap-up and update schedules' we may be in=20 > > > better shape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking about schedules I do not think that they are > > > > > > > realistic. Did we identify editors and reviewers? Just > > > > > > > running the Charter through the IETF would push=20 > us in May. I > > > > > > > would suggest at least to push ahead each milestone by=20 > > > > one month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com] > > > > > > > > Sent: 13 April, 2004 11:14 PM > > > > > > > > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Les Bell > > > > > > > > Subject: Bridge wg charter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dan and Les, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to rewrite the charter to reflect only what is > > > > > > > still needed. > > > > > > > > Can you look at this proposed charter and see=20 > if you feel > > > > > > > it is a good > > > > > > > > approach, and covers everything that still needs=20 > > to be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, Les sent me a rundown of the previous=20 > > milestones; I'll > > > > > > > > forward that > > > > > > > > to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > 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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2004 19:21:30.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[84AD9810:01C42643] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.5 X-pstn-levels: (C:94.7416 P:95.5390 R:95.9108 S:99.9000 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.2500) p:13 m:13 c:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: [Bridge-mib] FW: LLDP MIBs (04/19/2004) Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42643.8415F2DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Can somebody double-check these with SMICng to see if the reported error has disappeared (and to verify other changes have added any errors)? Any other review is also welcome. Thanks, dbh -----Original Message----- From: Congdon, Paul T (ProCurve) [mailto:paul.congdon@hp.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:56 PM To: Harrington, David Subject: FW: LLDP MIBs (04/19/2004) Dave, Can you and your gang compile these with your tool to makes sure they have fixed the previous problems and no new ones have appeared? Thanks in advance, Paul -----Original Message----- From: Cetin Ersoy [mailto:cetin@mtghouse.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:02 PM To: Congdon, Paul T (ProCurve); Bill Lane Subject: LLDP MIBs (04/19/2004) Paul and Bill, Attached please find the updated versions of LLDP basic management and extensions MIB modules. Additionally, the following list itemizes changes from 04/14/04 preview MIBs to latest versions (attached.) LLDP-MIB: ------------------ o updated LAST-UPDATED and REVISION clauses. o Renamed LldpChassisType TC to LldpChassisIdSubtype. o Renamed LldpPortType TC to LldpPortIdSubtype. o Fixed TC descriptions accordingly and updated MIB objects to use the renamed TCs. o Updated references. o Changed default values of lldpPortConfigAdminStatus and lldpPortConfigNotificationEnable to use labels instead of enumerations. =20 o removed lldpStatsPortTLVsInErrors object. o added a reference to lldpStatsPortAgeouts object. o renamed: lldpRemRemoteChassisType -> lldpRemChassisIdSubtype lldpRemRemoteChassis -> lldpRemChassisId lldpRemRemotePortType -> lldpRemPortIdSubtype lldpRemRemotePort -> lldpRemPortId LLDP-EXT-DOT1-MIB: ------------------ o updated LAST-UPDATED and REVISION clauses. =20 o Updated references. o renamed lldpXdot1LocVlanId to lldpXdot1LocVlanNameId LLDP-EXT-DOT3-MIB: ------------------ o updated LAST-UPDATED and REVISION clauses. =20 o Updated references. 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The amount of useful work to be done in standards is huge, and we don't want to waste anybody's time, especially the IESG's and the RFC-editor's time.=20 If we don't get reviews, then obviously the WG consensus is that completion of these documents is not important to the industry. If it is not important, then we will not submit it to the IESG and we can throw the documents into the dustbin. 2) this is a volunteer organization.=20 We need volunteers. I broke up the reviewing tasks for each document to minimize the time any individual would need to commit to completing a review. Please contribute a little time - give us one of the reviews we need for one or more of the documents. A little bit of volunteer work from everybody will get this work done. 3) the economy sucks. The economy and the job crunch has directly impacted our editing team, making it much harder for them to take time from their day jobs to do this work. Please help to minimize the work load on our editors.=20 When you find something in a document that needs to be fixed, please take a few extra minutes to provide proposed text, so the editors can cut and paste your solution into place (after reviewing your proposals of course).=20 Thanks, dbh David Harrington =20 dbh@enterasys.com Director, Network Management Architecture Office of the CTO, Enterasys Networks _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 20 12:18:35 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA00853 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFxei-0007aP-E1 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:59:28 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3KFxSVY029155 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:59:28 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFwxg-0006s3-WA; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:15:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BFvEL-0007fP-MC for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:24:05 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16433 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BFvEJ-00066H-Qy for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:24:03 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BFvDP-0005qs-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:23:08 -0400 Received: from zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com ([47.103.122.112]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BFvCt-0005Zh-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:22:36 -0400 Received: from zsc3c028.us.nortel.com (zsc3c028.us.nortel.com [47.81.138.28]) by zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id i3KDLNH10548; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:21:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by zsc3c028.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:21:24 -0700 Message-ID: <0A11633F61BD9F40B43ABCC694004F93043BC74A@zsc3c026.us.nortel.com> From: "David Levi" To: "David Levi" , "'Harrington, David'" , "'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'" Cc: "'bridge-mib@ietf.org'" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:21:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C426DA.5FBEF976" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: [Bridge-mib] RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C426DA.5FBEF976 Content-Type: text/plain Hi David, Here are some comments on the draft. - The references to SNMPv3 RFCs throughout the document are all out-of-date, they need to be updated to 341*. - On page 6, right at the end of section 3.4.1.2, the text about dot1dStpPortPathCost needs to be changed, it should refer to the new object dot1dStpPortPathCost32, rather than describing a change to the older object. - On page 7, the stpCompatible(0) enumeration in dot1dStpVersion ought to be stpCompatible(1) (RFC 2578, section 7.1.1 recommends that integer enumerations start at 1). - On page 8, I'd like to see better working in the DESCRIPTION of dot1dStpPathCostDefault. Something like this: "The version of the Spanning Tree default Path Costs that are to be used by this Bridge. A value of 8021d1998(1) means the bridge is using the 16-bit default Path Costs from IEEE Std. 802.1D-1998. A value of stp8021t2001(2) means the bridge is using the 32-bit default Path Costs from IEEE Std. 802.1t." - On page 9, I think dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration should not be of type TruthValue, the semantics of the object do not match the semantics of TruthValue. A better choice would be to use a plain enumerated INTEGER type. Also, only one enumerated value is really required. - On page 9 and 10, I think there should be more text in the DESCRIPTIONs of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort and dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort to describe the behaviour of these objects, and their relationship. For example, what happens to the value of dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort when the value of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort is set to false(2)? The DESCRIPTIONs don't spell this out, and they should. - On page 11-12, the rstpDefaultPathCostGroup OBJECT-GROUP does not appear in the rstpCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement. While I don't think it is required to appear in a MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement, I wasn't sure where this was just an over-sight, or whether it was intentionally left out. That's it, hope this is helpful. -Dave ------_=_NextPart_001_01C426DA.5FBEF976 Content-Type: text/html RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


Hi David,

Here are some comments on the draft.

- The references to SNMPv3 RFCs throughout the document are all out-of-date,
  they need to be updated to 341*.

- On page 6, right at the end of section 3.4.1.2, the text about dot1dStpPortPathCost
  needs to be changed, it should refer to the new object dot1dStpPortPathCost32, rather
  than describing a change to the older object.

- On page 7, the stpCompatible(0) enumeration in dot1dStpVersion ought to be
  stpCompatible(1) (RFC 2578, section 7.1.1 recommends that integer enumerations
  start at 1).

- On page 8, I'd like to see better working in the DESCRIPTION of
  dot1dStpPathCostDefault.  Something like this:
        "The version of the Spanning Tree default Path Costs that
        are to be used by this Bridge.  A value of 8021d1998(1)
        means the bridge is using the 16-bit default Path Costs from
        IEEE Std. 802.1D-1998.  A value of stp8021t2001(2) means
        the bridge is using the 32-bit default Path Costs from IEEE
        Std. 802.1t."

- On page 9, I think dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration should not be of type TruthValue,
  the semantics of the object do not match the semantics of TruthValue.  A better
  choice would be to use a plain enumerated INTEGER type.  Also, only one enumerated
  value is really required.

- On page 9 and 10, I think there should be more text in the DESCRIPTIONs of
  dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort and dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort to describe the behaviour
  of these objects, and their relationship.  For example, what happens to the value
  of dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort when the value of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort is set
  to false(2)?  The DESCRIPTIONs don't spell this out, and they should.

- On page 11-12, the rstpDefaultPathCostGroup OBJECT-GROUP does not appear in the
  rstpCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement.  While I don't think it is required
  to appear in a MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement, I wasn't sure where this was just an
  over-sight, or whether it was intentionally left out.

That's it, hope this is helpful.

-Dave

------_=_NextPart_001_01C426DA.5FBEF976-- _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 20 19:55:09 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA08334 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BG514-0001jA-Dl for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:51:02 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3KNp2Cf006638 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:51:02 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BG4tI-000780-UK; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:43:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BG4cF-000709-DF for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; 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Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:22:56 -0400 Received: from source ([134.141.79.122]) by host ([134.141.79.124]) with SMTP; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:22:56 -0400 Received: from nhrocmbx1 ([134.141.79.104]) by NHROCCNC2.ets.enterasys.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:22:55 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:22:54 -0400 Message-ID: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA019770C4@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Thread-Topic: Review if draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-06 Thread-Index: AcQnLmhjoYcPDHDaQbmnH4+S9sYaOA== From: "Harrington, David" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2004 23:22:55.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[690E9A00:01C4272E] X-pstn-version: pmps:sps_win32_1_1_0c1 pase:2.5 X-pstn-levels: (C:78.1961 M:98.9607 P:95.9108 R:95.9108 S:20.7066 ) X-pstn-settings: 4 (0.2500:0.7500) p:13 m:13 C:14 r:13 X-pstn-addresses: from forward (org good) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Bridge-mib] Review if draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-06 Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comments on draft-ietf-bridge-bridgemib-smiv2-06: Spelling and mib review included Spelling: 497c497 < -- timers have values in units of hundreths of a second (i.e. --- > -- timers have values in units of hundredths of a second (i.e. 536c536 < quotient + 1 [if remainder is non-zero] --- > quotient + 1 [if remainder is nonzero] 562c562 < -- Groups defined in the Bridge Mib Extensions: --- > -- Groups defined in the Bridge MIB Extensions: 709c709 < multiple ports correspond one- to-one with multiple X.25 --- > multiple ports correspond one-to-one with multiple X.25 800c800 < timer for any port on this Bridge was non-zero." --- > timer for any port on this Bridge was nonzero." 1813c1813 < -- The Trap Notfication Group --- > -- The Trap Notification Group 2112c2112 < The following chnages have been made from --- > The following changes have been made from 2115c2115 < (1) Misc. description refernces to IEEE 802.1d documents --- > (1) Misc. description references to IEEE 802.1d documents 2126c2126 < The following chnages have been made from --- > The following changes have been made from 2130c2130 < draft-00 version that were read /read-write in rfc 1493 --- > draft-00 version that were read /read-write in RFC 1493 2134c2134 < The following chnages have been made from --- > The following changes have been made from 2140c2140 < The following chnages have been made from --- > The following changes have been made from 1) the following objects changed semantics of an existing object. Are the changes consistent with the rules for object changes per SMIv2? In some cases changes are conditional; how can an NMS determine which condition is true? Will all NMS apps have this capability? dot1dPortPriority dot1dStpTimeSinceTopologyChange dot1dStatisAllowedToGoTo Statements that this is a direct translation should be changed to reflect that some objects were modified slightly. 2) the MIB boilerplate needs to be updated 3) need an rfc-ed note to fill in rfc# for revision clause 4) the security considerations don't identify sensitive objects 5) SNMPv3 references are old dbh David Harrington =20 dbh@enterasys.com Director, Network Management Architecture Office of the CTO, Enterasys Networks _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 21 03:32:37 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00646 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGC9S-0001cX-29 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:28:10 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3L7SA3L006221 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:28:10 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGC1Z-0006hw-27; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:20:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BG3lD-0007dB-AB for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:30:35 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA03739 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BG3lA-0007lT-A7 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:30:32 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BG3k5-0007c3-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:29:26 -0400 Received: from [211.219.67.120] (helo=james.eecs.iu-bremen.de) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BG3jE-0007SX-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:28:32 -0400 Received: by james.eecs.iu-bremen.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C48288F1; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:27:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:27:58 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Harrington, David" Cc: Bridge-mib@ietf.org, paul.congdon@hp.com Subject: Re: [Bridge-mib] FW: LLDP MIBs (04/19/2004) Message-ID: <20040420222758.GA974@iu-bremen.de> Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de Mail-Followup-To: "Harrington, David" , Bridge-mib@ietf.org, paul.congdon@hp.com References: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA01977019@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6D745637A7E0F94DA070743C55CDA9BA01977019@NHROCMBX1.ets.enterasys.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 03:21:25PM -0400, Harrington, David wrote: > Can somebody double-check these with SMICng to see if the reported error > has disappeared (and to verify other changes have added any errors)? > > Any other review is also welcome. I suggest to prefix the module names with "IEEE-". /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 21 12:17:57 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA00078 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGK3w-0004L9-LI for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:55:01 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3LFt0Kq016674 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:55:00 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGJzF-0002yr-3W; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:50:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGIy9-0004gO-Ki for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:44:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA25486 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGIy7-0002lP-4q for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:44:55 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGIx9-0002ZH-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:43:55 -0400 Received: from auemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.223.163] helo=auemail2.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGIwB-0002GA-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:42:55 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by auemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i3LEgL126988 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:42:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:42:20 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550425D57D@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: "Harrington, David" , Bridge-mib@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] FW: LLDP MIBs (04/19/2004) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:42:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Compiles clean with SMICng Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com] > Sent: maandag 19 april 2004 21:21 > To: Bridge-mib@ietf.org > Subject: [Bridge-mib] FW: LLDP MIBs (04/19/2004) > > > Hi, > > Can somebody double-check these with SMICng to see if the > reported error > has disappeared (and to verify other changes have added any errors)? > > Any other review is also welcome. > > Thanks, > dbh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Congdon, Paul T (ProCurve) [mailto:paul.congdon@hp.com] > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:56 PM > To: Harrington, David > Subject: FW: LLDP MIBs (04/19/2004) > > > Dave, > > Can you and your gang compile these with your tool to makes sure they > have fixed the previous problems and no new ones have appeared? > > Thanks in advance, > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cetin Ersoy [mailto:cetin@mtghouse.com] > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:02 PM > To: Congdon, Paul T (ProCurve); Bill Lane > Subject: LLDP MIBs (04/19/2004) > > > Paul and Bill, > > Attached please find the updated versions of LLDP basic management and > extensions MIB modules. Additionally, the following list itemizes > changes from 04/14/04 preview MIBs to latest versions (attached.) > > LLDP-MIB: > ------------------ > o updated LAST-UPDATED and REVISION clauses. > > o Renamed LldpChassisType TC to LldpChassisIdSubtype. > > o Renamed LldpPortType TC to LldpPortIdSubtype. > > o Fixed TC descriptions accordingly and updated MIB objects > to use the > renamed TCs. > > o Updated references. > > o Changed default values of lldpPortConfigAdminStatus and > lldpPortConfigNotificationEnable to use labels instead of > enumerations. > > o removed lldpStatsPortTLVsInErrors object. > > o added a reference to lldpStatsPortAgeouts object. > > o renamed: > lldpRemRemoteChassisType -> lldpRemChassisIdSubtype > lldpRemRemoteChassis -> lldpRemChassisId > lldpRemRemotePortType -> lldpRemPortIdSubtype > lldpRemRemotePort -> lldpRemPortId > > > LLDP-EXT-DOT1-MIB: > ------------------ > o updated LAST-UPDATED and REVISION clauses. > > o Updated references. > > o renamed lldpXdot1LocVlanId to lldpXdot1LocVlanNameId > > > LLDP-EXT-DOT3-MIB: > ------------------ > o updated LAST-UPDATED and REVISION clauses. > > o Updated references. > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > Regards, > Cetin > > _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 22 13:16:33 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11302 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGhjt-00082H-48 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:11:53 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3MHBrNZ030889 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:11:53 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGhZO-0004UG-OE; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:01:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BGhQ6-0001Oj-Qk for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:51:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09911 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BGhQ1-0006Oc-Ta for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:51:22 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BGhPA-00067J-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:50:31 -0400 Received: from zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com ([47.103.122.112]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BGhOX-0005nu-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:49:49 -0400 Received: from zsc3c028.us.nortel.com (zsc3c028.us.nortel.com [47.81.138.28]) by zrc2s0jx.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id i3MGn2j16661; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:49:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: by zsc3c028.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:49:02 -0700 Message-ID: <0A11633F61BD9F40B43ABCC694004F93043BC78D@zsc3c026.us.nortel.com> From: "David Levi" To: "'Harrington, David'" , "'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'" Cc: "'Bridge-mib@ietf.org'" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:49:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C42889.B70BD2D4" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: [Bridge-mib] RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42889.B70BD2D4 Content-Type: text/plain Hi David, Here's the replacement text I promised. On page 6, change this: In a device supporting the 32-bit default Path Costs defined in IEEE 802.1t Table 8-5, the interpretation of objects in this group is unchanged except for the following: dot1dStpPortPathCost Definition remains unchanged, but the permissible values are extended to 1-200,000,000. to this: In a device supporting the 32-bit default Path Costs defined in IEEE 802.1t Table 8-5, the object dot1dStpPortPathCost32 [XXX] should be used rather than the older object dot1dStpPortPathCost. The newer object supports the expanded range of 1-200,000,000. Note that there would need to be a reference to the latest BRIDGE-MIB document (where I put [XXX]). But that document is not yet published as an RFC. I guess this change depends on advancement of that document. I had suggested changing the SYNTAX of dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration from TruthValue to just an enumerated INTEGER. I looked more closely at the 802.1w document, and this parameter is described there as a boolean value. The description there is kind of odd, as it basically says you can set the value to TRUE, but that when you do, it will be immediately set back to FALSE. Anyway, I guess this is why TruthValue was used in the MIB. I could go either way on this, but if other people think it makes sense to change the SYNTAX, here's what I'd suggest: dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX INTEGER { transmitRstpBpdus(1) } MAX-ACCESS read-write STATUS current DESCRIPTION "When operating in RSTP (version 2) mode, setting this object forces this port to transmit RSTP BPDUs. Any other operation on this object has no effect and it always returns transmitRstpBpdus(2) when read." REFERENCE "IEEE 802.1w clause 14.8.2.4, 17.18.10, 17.26" ::= { dot1dStpExtPortEntry 1 } For the DESCRIPTION of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort, I'd suggest: DESCRIPTION "The administrative value of the Edge Port parameter. A value of TRUE(1) indicates that this port should be assumed as an edge-port and a value of FALSE(2) indicates that this port should be assumed as a non-edge-port. Setting this object will also cause the corresponding instance of dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort to change to the same value. Note that even when this object's value is true, the value of the corresponding instance of dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort can be false if a BPDU has been received." and for dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort: DESCRIPTION "The operational value of the Edge Port parameter. The object is initialized to the value of the corresponding instance of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort. When the corresponding instance of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort is set, this object will be changed as well. This object will also be changed to FALSE on reception of a BPDU." -Dave -----Original Message----- From: Levi, David [SC100:323:EXCH] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:23 AM To: 'Harrington, David'; Wijnen, Bert (Bert) Cc: Dan Romascanu (E-mail); Les Bell Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt Hi David, I just forwarded my comments to the mailing list. I could do some editing if necessary (there are only minor edits required). I'll write up some replacement text to address my comments sometime today or tomorrow. -Dave -----Original Message----- From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:32 AM To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Levi, David [SC100:323:EXCH] Cc: Dan Romascanu (E-mail); Les Bell Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt Oooh. I didn't look at the addresses and assumed it had been posted. Yes, It should certainly be posted to the bridge mailing list to help stimulate discussion, and let the authors know what you've found. Dave, can you post it directly? Thanks much for doing the review. The editors of that document may not be able to make the changes; I'd rather keep you as a reviewer, but if it comes to it, could you help by editing the document? You could also make it much easier for the editors if you can propose the replacement/additional text to resolve your concerns. Thanks, dbh From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:51 AM To: David Levi; Harrington, David; Wijnen, Bert (Bert) Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt Would it not be good to post this to bridegmib wg mailing list? I think it would Thanks, Bert -----Original Message----- From: David Levi [mailto:dlevi@nortelnetworks.com] Sent: maandag 19 april 2004 18:42 To: 'Harrington, David'; Wijnen, Bert (Bert) Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt Hi David, Here are some comments on the draft. - The references to SNMPv3 RFCs throughout the document are all out-of-date, they need to be updated to 341*. - On page 6, right at the end of section 3.4.1.2, the text about dot1dStpPortPathCost needs to be changed, it should refer to the new object dot1dStpPortPathCost32, rather than describing a change to the older object. - On page 7, the stpCompatible(0) enumeration in dot1dStpVersion ought to be stpCompatible(1) (RFC 2578, section 7.1.1 recommends that integer enumerations start at 1). - On page 8, I'd like to see better working in the DESCRIPTION of dot1dStpPathCostDefault. Something like this: "The version of the Spanning Tree default Path Costs that are to be used by this Bridge. A value of 8021d1998(1) means the bridge is using the 16-bit default Path Costs from IEEE Std. 802.1D-1998. A value of stp8021t2001(2) means the bridge is using the 32-bit default Path Costs from IEEE Std. 802.1t." - On page 9, I think dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration should not be of type TruthValue, the semantics of the object do not match the semantics of TruthValue. A better choice would be to use a plain enumerated INTEGER type. Also, only one enumerated value is really required. - On page 9 and 10, I think there should be more text in the DESCRIPTIONs of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort and dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort to describe the behaviour of these objects, and their relationship. For example, what happens to the value of dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort when the value of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort is set to false(2)? The DESCRIPTIONs don't spell this out, and they should. - On page 11-12, the rstpDefaultPathCostGroup OBJECT-GROUP does not appear in the rstpCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement. While I don't think it is required to appear in a MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement, I wasn't sure where this was just an over-sight, or whether it was intentionally left out. That's it, hope this is helpful. -Dave -----Original Message----- From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:31 AM To: Levi, David [SC100:323:EXCH]; Wijnen, Bert (Bert) Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt I would appreciate the help. Thanks, dbh From: David Levi [mailto:dlevi@nortelnetworks.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:50 PM To: Harrington, David; Wijnen, Bert (Bert) Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt David, If it can wait until late next week, then yes. -Dave -----Original Message----- From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:16 PM To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Levi, David [SC100:323:EXCH] Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt Hi, We are about to go to last call with the rstp mib, IF my initial review shows it is ready for such. I could certainly use help since I have to review all the bridgemib documents before going to last call. Dave, are you interested in doing a MIB Doctor review or a lighterweight MIB Doctor review (Is that a MIB Nurse review) of the rstpmib for me? dbh From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:34 AM To: David Levi; 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)' Cc: Harrington, David Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt Dave, are you not getting it? I am trying to pull you into some active IETF work again ;-) It is fun man! Would a promise for a good beer convince you? Thanks, Bert -----Original Message----- From: David Levi [mailto:dlevi@nortelnetworks.com] Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 16:20 To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)' Cc: David Harrington (E-mail) Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt Bert, Actually, I think it is safe to claim that we are implementing the std track version, because the only real difference is that we have it rooted in our enterprise branch instead of under dot1dBridge. -Dave -----Original Message----- From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:41 AM To: Levi, David [SC100:323:EXCH] Cc: David Harrington (E-mail) Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt At the moment, we are implementing a clone of the RSTP-MIB under our enterprises branch, but we'd prefer to implement a standarized version. So PLEASE help Dave Harrington finalize, so you can implement an IETF stds track one!? Bert -Dave ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42889.B70BD2D4 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt

Hi David,

Here's the replacement text I promised.

On page 6, change this:

   In a device supporting the 32-bit = default Path Costs defined in IEEE
   802.1t Table 8-5, the interpretation of = objects in this group is
   unchanged except for the = following:

   dot1dStpPortPathCost
        = Definition remains unchanged, but the permissible values are
        extended = to 1-200,000,000.

to this:

   In a device supporting the 32-bit = default Path Costs defined in IEEE
   802.1t Table 8-5, the object = dot1dStpPortPathCost32 [XXX] should be used
   rather than the older object = dot1dStpPortPathCost.  The newer object
   supports the expanded range of = 1-200,000,000.

Note that there would need to be a reference to the = latest BRIDGE-MIB
document (where I put [XXX]).  But that = document is not yet published as
an RFC.  I guess this change depends on = advancement of that document.

I had suggested changing the SYNTAX of = dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration from
TruthValue to just an enumerated INTEGER.  I = looked more closely at the 802.1w
document, and this parameter is described there as a = boolean value.  The
description there is kind of odd, as it basically = says you can set the value
to TRUE, but that when you do, it will be = immediately set back to FALSE.
Anyway, I guess this is why TruthValue was used in = the MIB.  I could go either
way on this, but if other people think it makes = sense to change the SYNTAX,
here's what I'd suggest:

dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration OBJECT-TYPE
    = SYNTAX      INTEGER {
          &nb= sp;         = transmitRstpBpdus(1)
          &nb= sp;     }
    MAX-ACCESS  = read-write
    = STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        = "When operating in RSTP (version 2) mode, setting this
         = object forces this port to transmit RSTP BPDUs.  Any
         = other operation on this object has no effect and it
         = always returns transmitRstpBpdus(2) when read."
    REFERENCE
        = "IEEE 802.1w clause 14.8.2.4, 17.18.10, 17.26"
    ::=3D { dot1dStpExtPortEntry 1 = }

For the DESCRIPTION of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort, I'd = suggest:
    DESCRIPTION
        "The = administrative value of the Edge Port parameter.  A
         = value of TRUE(1) indicates that this port should be
         = assumed as an edge-port and a value of FALSE(2) indicates
         = that this port should be assumed as a non-edge-port.
         = Setting this object will also cause the corresponding
         = instance of dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort to change to the
         = same value.  Note that even when this object's value
         is = true, the value of the corresponding instance of
         = dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort can be false if a BPDU has
         = been received."
and for dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort:
    DESCRIPTION
        "The = operational value of the Edge Port parameter.  The
         = object is initialized to the value of the corresponding
         = instance of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort.  When the
         = corresponding instance of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort is
         = set, this object will be changed as well.  This object
         = will also be changed to FALSE on reception of a BPDU."

-Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Levi, David [SC100:323:EXCH]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:23 AM
To: 'Harrington, David'; Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Cc: Dan Romascanu (E-mail); Les Bell
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


Hi David,

I just forwarded my comments to the mailing = list.

I could do some editing if necessary (there are only = minor edits required).  I'll write up some replacement text
to address my comments sometime today or = tomorrow.

-Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:32 AM
To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Levi, David = [SC100:323:EXCH]
Cc: Dan Romascanu (E-mail); Les Bell
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


Oooh. I didn't look at the addresses and assumed it = had been posted.
Yes, It should certainly be posted to the bridge = mailing list to help stimulate discussion, and let the authors know = what you've found.

Dave, can you post it directly? Thanks much for doing = the review.

The editors of that document may not be able to make = the changes; I'd rather keep you as a reviewer, but if it comes to it, = could you help by editing the document? You could also make it much = easier for the editors if you can propose the replacement/additional = text to resolve your concerns.

Thanks,
dbh




From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:51 AM
To: David Levi; Harrington, David; Wijnen, Bert = (Bert)
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


Would it not be good to post this to bridegmib wg = mailing list?
I think it would

Thanks,
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: David Levi [mailto:dlevi@nortelnetworks.com= ]
Sent: maandag 19 april 2004 18:42
To: 'Harrington, David'; Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


Hi David,

Here are some comments on the draft.

- The references to SNMPv3 RFCs throughout the = document are all out-of-date, they need to be updated to 341*.

- On page 6, right at the end of section 3.4.1.2, the = text about dot1dStpPortPathCost needs to be changed, it
  should refer to the new object = dot1dStpPortPathCost32, rather than describing a change to the older = object. 

- On page 7, the stpCompatible(0) enumeration in = dot1dStpVersion ought to be stpCompatible(1) (RFC 2578,
  section 7.1.1 recommends that integer = enumerations start at 1).

- On page 8, I'd like to see better working in the = DESCRIPTION of dot1dStpPathCostDefault.  Something like = this:
        "The = version of the Spanning Tree default Path Costs that
        are to be = used by this Bridge.  A value of 8021d1998(1)
        means the = bridge is using the 16-bit default Path Costs from
        IEEE Std. = 802.1D-1998.  A value of stp8021t2001(2) means
        the = bridge is using the 32-bit default Path Costs from IEEE
        Std. = 802.1t."

- On page 9, I think dot1dStpPortProtocolMigration = should not be of type TruthValue, the semantics of the
  object do not match the semantics of = TruthValue.  A better choice would be to use a plain = enumerated
  INTEGER type.  Also, only one enumerated = value is really required.

- On page 9 and 10, I think there should be more text = in the DESCRIPTIONs of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort
  and dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort to describe the = behaviour of these objects, and their relationship.  For = example,
  what happens to the value of = dot1dStpPortOperEdgePort when the value of dot1dStpPortAdminEdgePort is = set
  to false(2)?  The DESCRIPTIONs don't = spell this out, and they should.

- On page 11-12, the rstpDefaultPathCostGroup = OBJECT-GROUP does not appear in the rstpCompliance
  MODULE-COMPLIANCE statement.  While I = don't think it is required to appear in a MODULE-COMPLIANCE
  statement, I wasn't sure where this was just = an over-sight, or whether it was intentionally left out.

That's it, hope this is helpful.

-Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com]
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:31 AM
To: Levi, David [SC100:323:EXCH]; Wijnen, Bert = (Bert)
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


I would appreciate the help.
Thanks,
dbh




From: David Levi [mailto:dlevi@nortelnetworks.com= ]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:50 PM
To: Harrington, David; Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


David,

If it can wait until late next week, then yes.

-Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:16 PM
To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Levi, David = [SC100:323:EXCH]
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


Hi,

We are about to go to last call with the rstp mib, IF = my initial review shows it is ready for such. I could certainly use = help since I have to review all the bridgemib documents before going to = last call.

Dave, are you interested in doing a MIB Doctor review = or a lighterweight MIB Doctor review (Is that a MIB Nurse review) of = the rstpmib for me?

dbh




From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] =
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:34 AM
To: David Levi; 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'
Cc: Harrington, David
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


Dave, are you not getting it?
I am trying to pull you into some active IETF work = again ;-)
It is fun man!
Would a promise for a good beer convince you?

Thanks,
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: David Levi [mailto:dlevi@nortelnetworks.com= ]
Sent: donderdag 8 april 2004 16:20
To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'
Cc: David Harrington (E-mail)
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt


Bert,

Actually, I think it is safe to claim that we are = implementing the std track version, because the only
real difference is that we have it rooted in our = enterprise branch instead of under dot1dBridge.

-Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] =
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:41 AM
To: Levi, David [SC100:323:EXCH]
Cc: David Harrington (E-mail)
Subject: RE: draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-04.txt



At the moment, we are implementing a clone of the = RSTP-MIB under our enterprises branch,
but we'd prefer to implement a standarized = version.

So PLEASE help Dave Harrington finalize, so you can = implement an IETF stds track one!?

Bert
-Dave

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Does anybody care? David Harrington =20 dbh@enterasys.com Director, Network Management Architecture Office of the CTO, Enterasys Networks _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 23 12:56:20 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA19611 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BH3w2-0001nj-Nf for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:53:55 -0400 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3NGrsou006918 for bridge-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:53:54 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BH3fg-0004s9-ME; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:37:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BH3bL-0003Ay-QA for bridge-mib@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:32:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA17823 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org ([132.151.6.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BH3bK-000090-8z for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:32:30 -0400 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1BH3aF-0007eY-00 for bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:31:24 -0400 Received: from [47.81.138.65] (helo=zsc3s004.nortelnetworks.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BH3ZU-0007BL-00 for Bridge-mib@ietf.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:30:36 -0400 Received: from zsc3c028.us.nortel.com (zsc3c028.us.nortel.com [47.81.138.28]) by zsc3s004.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id i3NGTtf09042; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by zsc3c028.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:29:56 -0700 Message-ID: <0A11633F61BD9F40B43ABCC694004F93043BC7A2@zsc3c026.us.nortel.com> From: "David Levi" To: "'Harrington, David'" , Bridge-mib@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Bridge-mib] charter Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:29:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C42950.3609F522" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: bridge-mib@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42950.3609F522 Content-Type: text/plain David, Assuming that work on a MIB for 802.1s is moving forward in the IEEE, then the new charter looks fine to me. I certainly want to see these MIBs move forwards on the standards track, as we want to use them in products. -Dave -----Original Message----- From: Harrington, David [mailto:dbh@enterasys.com] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:01 AM To: Bridge-mib@ietf.org Subject: [Bridge-mib] charter Hi, We have had almost no feedback on the proposed charter. Is anybody there? Does anybody care? David Harrington dbh@enterasys.com Director, Network Management Architecture Office of the CTO, Enterasys Networks _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42950.3609F522 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Bridge-mib] charter

David,

Assuming that work on a MIB for 802.1s is moving = forward in the IEEE, then the
new charter looks fine to me.  I certainly want = to see these MIBs move forwards
on the standards track, as we want to use them in = products.

-Dave

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Hi,

We have had almost no feedback on the proposed = charter.
Is anybody there? Does anybody care?

David = Harrington          &n= bsp;
dbh@enterasys.com
Director, Network Management Architecture
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Quiet. We've asked for comments on the charter and asked for document review prior to WG last call, and have gotten about three responses to each request. Since there appears to be a high degree of apathy in this group, and there is a real lack of editors available, I'd like to consider ways to reduce the workload yet to be accomplished. I suggest 1) eliminating the 802.1x mib from the charter. The IEEE has already published one, and ours is just a duplicate. I believe ours is now out of sync with the updated 802.1x work as well. 2) eliminating the SMIv2 update for RFC1493. A MIB document has three general use cases - implementation, application import, and documentation for human consumption. Most implementors have already implemented against RFC1493. Most applications can import the SMIv1 version without any significant problems. Humans can read the SMIv1 version as easily as they can read the SMIv2 version.=20 So we don't really need an SMIv2 version, unless we want to advance RFC1493 in the standards track, but I don't see the commercial benefit to doing this, and companies spoonsoring editors probably won't see a return for their sponsorship. There are a few updates done to the descriptions to match IEEE updates to their management. If the IEEE thinks the update is important, then they can take our document and finalize it. That would leave us with just two documents to complete instead of four. If we cannot get adequate reviews for these two documents, then I'll suggest discarding these documents as well, and closing the WG. Comments? David Harrington =20 dbh@enterasys.com Director, Network Management Architecture Office of the CTO, Enterasys Networks _______________________________________________ Bridge-mib mailing list Bridge-mib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge-mib