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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [btns] FW: request for help in developing a tool that may be helpful to WG chairs X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:20:32 -0000 RllJIC0NCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IHdnY2hhaXJzLWJvdW5j ZXNAaWV0Zi5vcmcgW21haWx0bzp3Z2NoYWlycy1ib3VuY2VzQGlldGYub3JnXSBPbiBCZWhhbGYg T2YgU2NvdHQgTy4gQnJhZG5lcg0KU2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBNYXJjaCAwMywgMjAxMCA3OjM2 IEFNDQpUbzogd2djaGFpcnNAaWV0Zi5vcmcNClN1YmplY3Q6IHJlcXVlc3QgZm9yIGhlbHAgaW4g ZGV2ZWxvcGluZyBhIHRvb2wgdGhhdCBtYXkgYmUgaGVscGZ1bCB0byBXRyBjaGFpcnMNCg0KSUVU RiB3b3JraW5nIGdyb3VwIGNoYWlyczsNCg0KV2UgYXJlIGRldmVsb3BpbmcgYW4gb3Blbi1zb3Vy Y2UgdG9vbCBmb3IgbW9uaXRvcmluZyB0aGUgc3RhdHVzIGFuZA0KcHJvZ3Jlc3Mgb2YgY29uZmxp Y3RzIGluIG9uLWxpbmUgd29ya2luZyBncm91cHMgKFdHKS4gIFRoZSB0b29sIHdvcmtzIGJ5DQph bmFseXppbmcgdGhlIFdHIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdC4gIFdoZW4gZGV2ZWxvcGVkLCB0aGlzIHRvb2wg c2hvdWxkIGJlDQpoZWxwZnVsIHRvIFdHIGNoYWlycyB0cnlpbmcgdG8gdW5kZXJzdGFuZCB0aGUg c3RhdHVzIG9mIFdHIGRpc2N1c3Npb25zDQooaG93IGNsb3NlIHRvIGNvbnNlbnN1cyBpcyB0aGUg V0csIHdoYXQgaXMgdGhlIGRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbiBvZg0KcGFydGljaXBhdGlvbiwgZXRjKS4NCg0K QXMgcGFydCBvZiB0aGUgZGV2ZWxvcG1lbnQgcHJvY2VzcyB3ZSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gdXNpbmcgYSBw cm90b3R5cGUgdG9vbA0KdG8gYW5hbHl6ZSBJRVRGIFdHIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdCBhcmNoaXZlcyB0 byBkZXRlcm1pbmUgdGhlIGFtb3VudCBvZg0KY29uZmxpY3QgYW5kIGhvdyBlZmZlY3RpdmUgdGhp cyBjb25mbGljdCBpcyBiZWluZyAoaGFzIGJlZW4pIHJlc29sdmVkLg0KQXMgdGhlIGZpcnN0IHN0 ZXAsIHdlIG5lZWQgdG8gdW5kZXJzdGFuZCB0aGUgcmVsYXRpb25zaGlwIGJldHdlZW4gdGhlDQpj b25mbGljdHMgaW4gYSB3b3JraW5nIGdyb3VwIGFuZCB0aGUgc3RydWN0dXJlIG9mIHRoZSBjb21t dW5pY2F0aW9uDQpuZXR3b3JrIGluIHRoYXQgZ3JvdXAuIFdoaWxlIGhhdmluZyBjb25mbGljdHMg aXMgbm90IG5lY2Vzc2FyaWx5IGEgYmFkDQp0aGluZyBmb3IgYSB3b3JraW5nIGdyb3VwIGVmZm9y dCwgc29tZSBjb25mbGljdHMgY2FuIGVzY2FsYXRlIGludG8NCmRpc2FzdGVycy4gV2UgYXJlIGlu dGVyZXN0ZWQgaW4gZmluZGluZyB0aGUgY29tbXVuaWNhdGlvbiBwYXR0ZXJucw0KcmVsYXRlZCB0 byB0aGUgZXZvbHV0aW9uIG9mIGdyb3VwIGNvbmZsaWN0cy4gUmVzdWx0cyBmcm9tIHRoaXMgc3R1 ZHkNCndpbGwgcHJvdmlkZSB0aGUgYmFzZSBmb3IgdGhlIGRldmVsb3BtZW50IG9mIHRoZSB0b29s IHRoYXQgaGVscHMgd29ya2luZw0KZ3JvdXAgY2hhaXJzIHRvIGRlY2lkZSB3aGVuIHRvIGludGVy dmVuZSB3aXRoIGFuIGludGVybmFsIGNvbmZsaWN0DQpiZWZvcmUgaXQgYmVjb21lcyBpcnJldmVy c2libHkgbmVnYXRpdmUgYXMgd2VsbCBhcyBiZWluZyBhIHRvb2wgdGhhdCBtYXkNCmhlbHAgZGV0 ZXJtaW5lIHdoZXJlIHRoZXJlIGlzIGNvbnNlbnN1cyBvbiBhIHBhcnRpY3VsYXIgdG9waWMuDQoN CldlIHdvdWxkIGxpa2UgeW91ciBoZWxwIGluIHVuZGVyc3RhbmRpbmcgdGhlIGxldmVsIG9mIGNv bmZsaWN0cyB3aXRoaW4NCnlvdXIgd29ya2luZyBncm91cHMgYW5kIGhvdyB0aGUgY29uZmxpY3Rz IGFmZmVjdCBwcm9kdWN0aXZpdHkgYW5kIGdyb3VwDQptZW1iZXJzw6LigqzihKIgcGVyY2VwdGlv biBvbiB0aGUgd29ya2luZyBncm91cC4gSXQgd2lsbCBiZSBncmVhdGx5IGFwcHJlY2lhdGVkDQpp ZiB5b3UgY291bGQgYXNrIHlvdXIgV0cgbWVtYmVycyB0byBhbm9ueW1vdXNseSBmaWxsIGEgc2hv cnQgc3VydmV5IGF0IA0KDQpodHRwczovL3NwcmVhZHNoZWV0cy5nb29nbGUuY29tL3ZpZXdmb3Jt P2hsPWVuJmZvcm1rZXk9ZEV4VGJFVTVRbVJuY25oRmJqaFFVVlI0YnpCR01FRTZNQQ0KDQpUaGFu ayB5b3UhDQoNCkJlc3QgUmVnYXJkcywgDQoNCkJpbiBaaHUsIE1hcmsgR2F5bm9yLCBTY290dCBC cmFkbmVyLCBhbmQgSmlhbHVuIFFpbg0KDQo= From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Tue Mar 16 11:39:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns@ietf.org Delivered-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id BB1893A69F0; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:39:18 -0700 (PDT) From: IESG Secretary To: IETF Announcement list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100316183918.BB1893A69F0@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Cc: btns@ietf.org, lha@stacken.kth.se Subject: [btns] WG Action: Conclusion of Better-Than-Nothing Security (btns) X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:39:19 -0000 The Better-Than-Nothing Security (btns) in the Security Area has concluded. The IESG contact person is Tim Polk. The mailing list will remain active. This working group is closed after successfully completing the most important items from the charter. The mailing list will be kept open for possible questions and discussions around BTNS. In particular, this mailing list is the preferred venue for discussion of any BTNS API documents. If drafted, the BTNS API documents will be submitted using the individual submission process. The ADs would like to thank everyone who has been involved in the BTNS specification work, the chairs, Sam Hartman who was the responsible AD when the BTNS working group was formed, and various reviewers who helped greatly improve the BTNS specifications. From Nicolas.Williams@sun.com Tue Mar 16 11:48:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1413A6A9D; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:48:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.141 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.141 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.458, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qn9cyWG9Birz; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com (acsinet11.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91413A6AA0; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o2GIlmhq028635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:47:49 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o2GHpTt9022327; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:47:47 GMT Received: from abhmt015.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 85527691268765019; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:43:39 -0700 Received: from Sun.COM (/129.153.128.104) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:43:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:43:34 -0500 From: Nicolas Williams To: IESG Secretary Message-ID: <20100316184333.GO14993@Sun.COM> References: <20100316183918.BB1893A69F0@core3.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100316183918.BB1893A69F0@core3.amsl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2010-03-02) X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4B9FD254.00B5,ss=1,fgs=0 Cc: btns@ietf.org, IETF Announcement list , lha@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: [btns] WG Action: Conclusion of Better-Than-Nothing Security (btns) X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:48:12 -0000 On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:39:18AM -0700, IESG Secretary wrote: > The ADs would like to thank everyone who has been involved in the BTNS > specification work, the chairs, Sam Hartman who was the responsible AD > when the BTNS working group was formed, and various reviewers who > helped greatly improve the BTNS specifications. I second this, and also thank the current security ADs. Nico -- From julienl@qualcomm.com Tue Mar 16 13:02:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: btns@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2D73A69D0 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:02:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b2G5egHMQGch for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCAA3A699F for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:02:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=julienl@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1268769783; x=1300305783; h=from:to:cc:date:subject:thread-topic:thread-index: message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language: content-language:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator: acceptlanguage:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; z=From:=20"Laganier,=20Julien"=20 |To:=20"btns@ietf.org"=20|CC:=20Nicolas=20 Williams=20,=20"lha@stacken.kth .se"=0D=0A=09,=20"Polk,=20William=20T ."=20|Date:=20Tue,=2016=20Mar=2020 10=2013:02:19=20-0700|Subject:=20RE:=20[btns]=20WG=20Acti on:=20Conclusion=20of=20Better-Than-Nothing=20Security=0D =0A=20(btns)|Thread-Topic:=20[btns]=20WG=20Action:=20Conc lusion=20of=20Better-Than-Nothing=20Security=0D=0A=20(btn s)|Thread-Index:=20AcrFOTPzarpigjGYTTyOglsz1XlPtgACD2Kg |Message-ID:=20|References:=20<20100316183 918.BB1893A69F0@core3.amsl.com>=0D=0A=20<20100316184333.G O14993@Sun.COM>|In-Reply-To:=20<20100316184333.GO14993@Su n.COM>|Accept-Language:=20en-US|Content-Language:=20en-US |X-MS-Has-Attach:|X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:|acceptlanguage: =20en-US|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3D"us-as cii"|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-printable |MIME-Version:=201.0; bh=+yeHeZ++efDcqTZ33m9DYNx91EMSBPoI5xExZ/8YCq4=; b=aS9XtYj9bdQPzn/E/iwSZBOO3Rdb3mSNh/cVo247XiA58HNJ2JnlySzG fZV7DwWT8qpIbYQCp0oRYX662tPitAkBIwtwW/7BEFHp2quL6/C5/OlaH +Ki6My3CbBjQJo7mRCW1zfBpi6L7JmbJzrfTLrzd05n2Ogt5O/dehhsIz 4=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,5922"; a="36521646" Received: from ironstorm.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.153]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 16 Mar 2010 13:03:02 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,650,1262592000"; d="scan'208";a="53702204" Received: from unknown (HELO nasanexhub05.na.qualcomm.com) ([129.46.134.219]) by ironstorm.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 16 Mar 2010 13:03:02 -0700 Received: from nalasexhub02.na.qualcomm.com (10.47.130.89) by nasanexhub05.na.qualcomm.com (129.46.134.219) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.234.1; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:02:23 -0700 Received: from NALASEXMB04.na.qualcomm.com ([10.47.7.114]) by nalasexhub02.na.qualcomm.com ([10.47.130.89]) with mapi; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:02:23 -0700 From: "Laganier, Julien" To: "btns@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:02:19 -0700 Thread-Topic: [btns] WG Action: Conclusion of Better-Than-Nothing Security (btns) Thread-Index: AcrFOTPzarpigjGYTTyOglsz1XlPtgACD2Kg Message-ID: References: <20100316183918.BB1893A69F0@core3.amsl.com> <20100316184333.GO14993@Sun.COM> In-Reply-To: <20100316184333.GO14993@Sun.COM> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Polk, William T." , Nicolas Williams , "lha@stacken.kth.se" Subject: Re: [btns] WG Action: Conclusion of Better-Than-Nothing Security (btns) X-BeenThere: btns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Better-Than-Nothing-Security Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:02:55 -0000 Nicolas Williams wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:39:18AM -0700, IESG Secretary wrote: > > The ADs would like to thank everyone who has been involved in the > > BTNS specification work, the chairs, Sam Hartman who was the responsibl= e > > AD when the BTNS working group was formed, and various reviewers who > > helped greatly improve the BTNS specifications. >=20 > I second this, and also thank the current security ADs. +1 And let me add that while I am bit disappointed that we couldn't conclude t= he API documents, I think it is fair to say that the most important deliver= ables are there: the unauthenticated IPsec mode (RFC 5386), and the IPsec c= onnection latching (RFC 5660.) Hopefully these two useful pieces of work get implemented and leveraged on = by applications in a near future. When that happens, the chances to documen= t a proven API will IMHO greatly increase. In my experience it has never be= en easy to work on APIs within the IETF, especially in cases such as this w= here there isn't a lot of hands-on experience with interfacing applications= to the network mechanism. Thanks again to everybody that got involved in this. --julien