Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50877F55C for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD4114225D for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22633-08 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mdlink.net (medusa.mdlink.de [213.211.192.34]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4174F14225C for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mdlink.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F19320439 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:49:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.233] (port-ip-213-211-241-152.reverse.mdcc-fun.de [213.211.241.152]) by mail.mdlink.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26885320437 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:49:28 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42ECE0FB.1090902@rpi.edu> References: <42ECE0FB.1090902@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Helge Hess Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] free-busy query Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:52:03 +0200 To: CalDAV DevList X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:52:06 -0000 On 31. Jul 2005, at 16:32 Uhr, Mike Douglass wrote: > Following the example shown: > > REPORT /home/bernard/calendar/ HTTP/1.1 ... > If that's me (mdouglass) trying to get Bernards free time I need > his password (or possibly an already running authenticated session) Why would you need his password? Just access the resource with your credentials. The server will allow the operations you have access to (as defined in the ACL, eg just freebusy REPORTs). > - on the other hand something like: > REPORT /home/mdouglass/calendar/ HTTP/1.1 ... > xmlns:C="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:caldav"> > http://cal.example.com/home/bernard/calendar/ > end="20040902T170000Z"/> > I imagine you are mixing up resource location with authentication. The REPORT you are running has nothing to do with the object located at "/home/mdouglass/calendar/", its run on "/home/bernard/calendar/". Your proposal changes nothing wrt permissions. You would still need to have (and check) freebusy access to /home/bernard/calendar/ with your login/credentials. Greets, Helge -- http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/helge/ OpenGroupware.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE857F568 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6469814225D for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23912-03 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A89D14225C for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] (vpn-805.nss.rpi.edu [128.113.211.55]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6VEWWFR009426 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:32:32 -0400 Message-ID: <42ECE0FB.1090902@rpi.edu> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:32:27 -0400 From: Mike Douglass User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, SUB_FREE_OFFER X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] free-busy query X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:32:34 -0000 Wouldn't it work better to have an href element as part of the query? Following the example shown: REPORT /home/bernard/calendar/ HTTP/1.1 Host: cal.example.com Depth: 1 Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" Content-Length: xxxx If that's me (mdouglass) trying to get Bernards free time I need his password (or possibly an already running authenticated session) - on the other hand something like: REPORT /home/mdouglass/calendar/ HTTP/1.1 Host: cal.example.com Depth: 1 Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8" Content-Length: xxxx http://cal.example.com/home/bernard/calendar/ only requires I have access to his free-busy -- Mike Douglass douglm@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer Communication & Collaboration Technologies 518 276 6780(voice) 2809 (fax) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D227F53F for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A576142271 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05068-08 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rockpub4.rockliffe.com (rockpub4.rockliffe.com [147.208.128.11]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7048314226F for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:00:15 -0700 Sender: martin.chapman@rockliffe.com From: martin.chapman@rockliffe.com To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="plain" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, INVALID_MSGID, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] Autoreply: Ietf-caldav Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:00:21 -0000 I will be out of the office until 1st August. I will read your mail on my return. Regards, Martin. Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CAD7F538 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A1D14227E for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31768-08 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rockpub4.rockliffe.com (rockpub4.rockliffe.com [147.208.128.11]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F62142277 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:00:07 -0700 Sender: martin.chapman@rockliffe.com From: martin.chapman@rockliffe.com To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="plain" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, INVALID_MSGID, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] Autoreply: Ietf-caldav Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:00:10 -0000 I will be out of the office until 1st August. I will read your mail on my return. Regards, Martin. Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD567F532 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB419142277 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30731-06 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout7.cac.washington.edu (mxout7.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719A414226F for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mead12.u.washington.edu (mead12.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.176]) by mxout7.cac.washington.edu (8.13.4+UW05.04/8.13.4+UW05.05) with ESMTP id j6SHoM1I011677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:50:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (gsbarnes@localhost) by mead12.u.washington.edu (8.13.4+UW05.03/8.13.4+UW05.07) with ESMTP id j6SHoMoU2469956 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:50:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:50:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "G. Barnes" To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Some issues with caldav - subscriptions In-Reply-To: <42E8D81B.2020901@rpi.edu> Message-ID: References: <42E78602.6040805@rpi.edu> <42E8D81B.2020901@rpi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:50:24 -0000 On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Mike Douglass wrote: > I don't think that works too well for something like free-busy. What if our > user subscribes to our public "movies" calendar say and wants all of them to > count as busy time? (I guess there might be a better example.) A better example would be a 'Holidays' calendar. I want every Holiday to be unschedulable busy time. Or if I'm a member of the English Department, maybe I don't want any meetings scheduled that overlap a lecture in the English Department's Distinguished Lecturer series. Greg Barnes Computing and Communications, University of Washington gsbarnes@washington.edu (206) 685-3295 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Also, if we use multiple clients the user has to configure all clients the > same way to see the same results. I believe calendar aggregation is a > sufficiently useful feature that servers should (also) be doing it and I > believe it's also the only way to get a correct free-busy result. > > I understand that clients CAN do this and how. I just believe that we should > allow servers to do it and make the appropriate accomodation in the protocol. > > Cyrus Daboo wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> --On July 27, 2005 9:02:58 AM -0400 Mike Douglass wrote: >> >>> The result is that those events appear within their view of events, >>> almost as if they were actually part of the calendar. >> >> >> I believe that providing a single view of multiple calendars is a >> client-side feature (preference) that is easily implemented with CalDAV by >> running reports on each calendar and aggregating the results into one view. >> >>> There's another feature which is that of 'adding' single events from >>> other calendars into their own calendar. This is actually implemented as >>> a sort of reference to the real event. >> >> >> A CalDAV server could choose to support the proposed WebDAV BIND method as >> discussed in >> to >> support 'adding' single events to other calendars. I don't think we should >> require support of that for CalDAV - it ought to be an option that each >> implementation can support if it desires. >> > > -- > > Mike Douglass douglm@rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer > Communication & Collaboration Technologies 518 276 6780(voice) 2809 > (fax) > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-caldav mailing list -- Ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org > See http://ietf.webdav.org/caldav/ for more CalDAV resources > http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-caldav > Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E057F52F for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4C2142281 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27988-10 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A63F14226B for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.113.124.95] (decapod-10.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.124.95]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6SD5V30015898; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: <42E8D81B.2020901@rpi.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:05:31 -0400 From: Mike Douglass User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cyrus Daboo Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Some issues with caldav - subscriptions References: <42E78602.6040805@rpi.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Cc: CalDAV DevList X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:08:45 -0000 I don't think that works too well for something like free-busy. What if our user subscribes to our public "movies" calendar say and wants all of them to count as busy time? (I guess there might be a better example.) Also, if we use multiple clients the user has to configure all clients the same way to see the same results. I believe calendar aggregation is a sufficiently useful feature that servers should (also) be doing it and I believe it's also the only way to get a correct free-busy result. I understand that clients CAN do this and how. I just believe that we should allow servers to do it and make the appropriate accomodation in the protocol. Cyrus Daboo wrote: > Hi Mike, > > --On July 27, 2005 9:02:58 AM -0400 Mike Douglass wrote: > >> The result is that those events appear within their view of events, >> almost as if they were actually part of the calendar. > > > I believe that providing a single view of multiple calendars is a > client-side feature (preference) that is easily implemented with > CalDAV by running reports on each calendar and aggregating the results > into one view. > >> There's another feature which is that of 'adding' single events from >> other calendars into their own calendar. This is actually implemented as >> a sort of reference to the real event. > > > A CalDAV server could choose to support the proposed WebDAV BIND > method as discussed in > to > support 'adding' single events to other calendars. I don't think we > should require support of that for CalDAV - it ought to be an option > that each implementation can support if it desires. > -- Mike Douglass douglm@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer Communication & Collaboration Technologies 518 276 6780(voice) 2809 (fax) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E8D7F509 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F26142281 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19716-04 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darius.cyrusoft.com (darius.cyrusoft.com [63.163.82.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26235142271 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ninevah.cyrusoft.com (pool-151-201-54-15.pitt.east.verizon.net [151.201.54.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by darius.cyrusoft.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j6S2iMuG014479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:44:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:18:17 -0400 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Mike Douglass , CalDAV DevList Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Some issues with caldav - subscriptions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42E78602.6040805@rpi.edu> References: <42E78602.6040805@rpi.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.1.1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:18:25 -0000 Hi Mike, --On July 27, 2005 9:02:58 AM -0400 Mike Douglass wrote: > The result is that those events appear within their view of events, > almost as if they were actually part of the calendar. I believe that providing a single view of multiple calendars is a client-side feature (preference) that is easily implemented with CalDAV by running reports on each calendar and aggregating the results into one view. > There's another feature which is that of 'adding' single events from > other calendars into their own calendar. This is actually implemented as > a sort of reference to the real event. A CalDAV server could choose to support the proposed WebDAV BIND method as discussed in to support 'adding' single events to other calendars. I don't think we should require support of that for CalDAV - it ought to be an option that each implementation can support if it desires. -- Cyrus Daboo Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43C37F518 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC1E142271 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18603-04 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sift.mirapoint.com (sift.mirapoint.com [63.107.133.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639E814226D for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpo.mirapoint.com (alpo.mirapoint.com [63.107.133.20]) by sift.mirapoint.com (MOS 3.5.9-GR) with ESMTP id CNX01310; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from alpo.mirapoint.com [192.168.1.186]) by alpo.mirapoint.com (MOS 3.6.5.22) with HTTP/1.1 id EHE01212 (AUTH sm); Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Manthorpe Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Some issues with caldav - subscriptions To: Mike Douglass , CalDAV DevList X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.6.5.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050727183643.EHE01212@alpo.mirapoint.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=sift.mirapoint.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:36:45 -0000 ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:02:58 -0400 >From: Mike Douglass >Subject: [Ietf-caldav] Some issues with caldav - subscriptions >To: CalDAV DevList > >Thought I'd raise this: > >Our calendar allows a user to subscribe to some other calendar >(currently only a public calendar). > >The result is that those events appear within their view of events, >almost as if they were actually part of the calendar. > >There's another feature which is that of 'adding' single events from >other calendars into their own calendar. This is actually implemented as >a sort of reference to the real event. > >There are at least two issues raised by this - one of which probably >isn't for this group. > >Firstly - is this kind of function available in other calendar systems >and if so should it be part of the protocol, The Mirapoint calendar supports subscribed calendars, both natively using a prioprietary protocol and publicly using iCal over HTTP a-la Apple. Doesn't the CALDAV:calendar-query REPORT satisfy the requirements for achieving calendar subscription using CalDav? Regards, -- Sam ------------------------ Sam Manthorpe, Mirapoint Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113DA7F518 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB42142271 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17851-04 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7FE14226D for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thare.comcast.net (pcp03614075pcs.micske01.fl.comcast.net[68.84.31.33]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050728011517013006pkvme>; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:15:17 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050727210605.01d883a8@mail.comcast.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:15:15 -0400 To: Mike Douglass , CalDAV DevList From: Tim Hare Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Some issues with caldav - subscriptions In-Reply-To: <42E78602.6040805@rpi.edu> References: <42E78602.6040805@rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:15:19 -0000 There's no reason that an implementation couldn't store iCalendar objects with other properties attached, such as "owner"; the format for iCalendar is intended primarily for exchange of objects but nothing says an individual implementation can't use X- properties of its own, just that you shouldn't count on a different implementation understanding your X- properties. At 09:02 AM 7/27/2005, Mike Douglass wrote: >Thought I'd raise this: > >Our calendar allows a user to subscribe to some other calendar (currently >only a public calendar). > >The result is that those events appear within their view of events, almost >as if they were actually part of the calendar. > >There's another feature which is that of 'adding' single events from other >calendars into their own calendar. This is actually implemented as a sort >of reference to the real event. > >There are at least two issues raised by this - one of which probably isn't >for this group. > >Firstly - is this kind of function available in other calendar systems and >if so should it be part of the protocol, > >e.g. subscribe to calendar and display the results within [new] >calendar collection > >Secondly I believe I discovered that icalendar, lacking an owner, makes it >difficult to distinguish events owned by the current user and those >appearing as a result of subscriptions etc. > >-- > >Mike Douglass douglm@rpi.edu >Senior Systems Programmer >Communication & Collaboration Technologies 518 276 6780(voice) 2809 >(fax) >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 > >_______________________________________________ >Ietf-caldav mailing list -- Ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org >See http://ietf.webdav.org/caldav/ for more CalDAV resources >http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-caldav Tim Hare Interested Bystander, Non-Inc. Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4867F52D for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE65142270 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11161-10 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rockpub4.rockliffe.com (rockpub4.rockliffe.com [147.208.128.11]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC5A14226E for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:00:15 -0700 Sender: martin.chapman@rockliffe.com From: martin.chapman@rockliffe.com To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="plain" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, INVALID_MSGID, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] Autoreply: Ietf-caldav Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:00:20 -0000 I will be out of the office until 1st August. I will read your mail on my return. Regards, Martin. Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB707F526 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95E6142270 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07827-10 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48ACD142264 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.113.124.135] (crustacean-07.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.124.135]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6RD2wnw028438 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: <42E78602.6040805@rpi.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:02:58 -0400 From: Mike Douglass User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CalDAV DevList Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] Some issues with caldav - subscriptions X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:03:00 -0000 Thought I'd raise this: Our calendar allows a user to subscribe to some other calendar (currently only a public calendar). The result is that those events appear within their view of events, almost as if they were actually part of the calendar. There's another feature which is that of 'adding' single events from other calendars into their own calendar. This is actually implemented as a sort of reference to the real event. There are at least two issues raised by this - one of which probably isn't for this group. Firstly - is this kind of function available in other calendar systems and if so should it be part of the protocol, e.g. subscribe to calendar and display the results within [new] calendar collection Secondly I believe I discovered that icalendar, lacking an owner, makes it difficult to distinguish events owned by the current user and those appearing as a result of subscriptions etc. -- Mike Douglass douglm@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer Communication & Collaboration Technologies 518 276 6780(voice) 2809 (fax) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634177F518 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB08142271 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09587-01 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21E4142270 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.113.124.135] (crustacean-07.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.124.135]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6RCs5uN031578 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:54:05 -0400 Message-ID: <42E783ED.90801@rpi.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:54:05 -0400 From: Mike Douglass User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CalDAV DevList Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] Some issues with caldav - collections X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:54:07 -0000 I'm still concerned about the sentence: Calendar collections MUST NOT contain other calendar collections. and the reason for that. It seems an unnecessary restriction but you may have a different view. In practice it seems it would make life difficult for people wanting to rearrange their calendars. If they have a lot of events they want to split into two collections, with that restriction in palce they have to move all their events somewhere else, create the two calendars then move them back. This doesn't look like the behaviour people will assume they'll get. -- Mike Douglass douglm@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer Communication & Collaboration Technologies 518 276 6780(voice) 2809 (fax) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 _______________________________________________ Ietf-caldav mailing list -- Ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org See http://ietf.webdav.org/caldav/ for more CalDAV resources http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-caldav Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBAC7F555 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AACD1422C0 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32370-08 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 090F01422B3 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6799 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 21:12:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (dave.thewlis@sbcglobal.net@69.107.139.54 with plain) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 21:12:58 -0000 Message-ID: <42E00FCA.5020605@calconnect.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:12:42 -0700 From: Dave Thewlis Organization: The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-caldav list Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_ONLY X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] Results of the Calconnect Recurrence Questionnaire are available X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dave.Thewlis@calconnect.org List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:13:00 -0000 Calconnect, the Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium, is happy to announce the availability of the Results from the Recurrence Questionnaire which we conducted in April/May of this year.  The results may be found on the Consortium Website under "Work Products" or directly at http://www.calconnect.org/resultsfromrecurrencequestionnaire.pdf.

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Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28837F544 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973CE1422A8 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00951-01 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgminet03.oracle.com (rgminet03.oracle.com [148.87.122.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205701422A7 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.11]) by rgminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j6K0leSA012356 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:47:40 -0600 Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j6K0leu2002487; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:47:40 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp-amer-rmdc-csvpn-gw6-141-144-113-48.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.113.48]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j6K0lcrk002455; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:47:40 -0600 Message-ID: <42DD9F2A.4060403@oracle.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:47:38 -0400 From: Bernard Desruisseaux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr-ca MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CalDAV DevList Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050302040708030607070506" X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] [Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-dusseault-caldav-07.txt] X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:47:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050302040708030607070506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We submitted CalDAV draft -07 to the IETF last Sunday. It is now available at the following URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dusseault-caldav-07.txt B.1 Changes in -07 a. Various editorial changes. b. Added properties calendar-restrictions and calendar-component- restriction-set on calendar collections. c. Added properties calendar-home-URL and calendar-address-set on principal resources. d. Removed property calendar-URL on principal resources. e. Added pre- and postconditions to reports. f. Added new XML elements calendar-data-only and limit-recurrent- set. g. Modified calendar-data XML element to support the attributes content-type and version. h. Reorganised sections 3, 4, 5 & 6 into two sections and re-ordered sub-sections. i. Added comment about client not setting a duplicate displayname. j. Removed three CalDAV OPTIONS requests. k. Changed "authenticated user" to "user" in various places. l. Rewrote section on calendar object resource restrictions for better clarity. The draft for the Scheduling Extensions to CalDAV is still available at the following URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-desruisseaux-caldav-sched-00.txt Cheers, Bernard -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-dusseault-caldav-07.txt Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:50:03 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Calendaring Extensions to WebDAV (CalDAV) Author(s) : L. Dusseault, et al. Filename : draft-dusseault-caldav-07.txt Pages : 69 Date : 2005-7-19 This document specifies a set of methods, headers, message bodies, properties, and reports that define calendar access extensions to the WebDAV protocol. 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Pierre" Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Truncation of large responses References: <42D6A763.20403@rpi.edu> <524caf03d90ac59b5a086a61c0088c79@opengroupware.org> <42D6C795.1020407@adevsoft.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:17:04 -0700 From: "Lisa Dusseault" Organization: OSAF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <42D6C795.1020407@adevsoft.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/8.01 (MacPPC, build 2092) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Cc: CalDAV DevList X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:17:10 -0000 Hi Kervin, I'm not sure the client can really page through calendar data unless full time ranges are received. Paging implies some kind of ordering, possibly by date as you suggested, and we're not sure how to order calendar events (including recurring events, all-day events). We might need to have some kind of canonical ordering and I'm not sure that would be so efficient for servers. We'd also need some way for the server to indicate whether or not it had hit the limit or had found precisely N items coincidental to the limit requested. Lisa On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:14:13 -0700, Kervin L. Pierre wrote: > > Hello, > > Lisa Dusseault wrote:> >> I don't think it's required for CalDAV, however, because we've got the >> date-limiting range requests in our reports. >> > > It would be nice, I think, to have a 'max count limit' > on the "time range report" requests. > > eg... > end="20041121T235959Z" limit="1000"/> > ...Or something like that. > > It would be up the client though to page through the > result. This would be simpler now since the client can > do a new time range report with the date of the last > result as the start date and keeping the end date the > same, also again with the max limit. > > This is not new functionality, but I think it would > make the time-range report/queries more convenient to > use. > > Regards, > Kervin -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB937F52D; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DAE142290; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26890-06; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svr59.edns1.com (svr59.edns1.com [67.15.20.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F4214228D; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wifi221-85.meruwifi.fit.edu ([163.118.221.85]:2744) by svr59.edns1.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.44) id 1DtA5F-0003FD-D5; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:13:25 -0700 Message-ID: <42D6C795.1020407@adevsoft.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:14:13 -0400 From: "Kervin L. Pierre" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.5 (Windows/20050711) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Truncation of large responses References: <42D6A763.20403@rpi.edu> <524caf03d90ac59b5a086a61c0088c79@opengroupware.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr59.edns1.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - osafoundation.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - adevsoft.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Cc: CalDAV DevList X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:13:31 -0000 Hello, Lisa Dusseault wrote:> > I don't think it's required for CalDAV, however, because we've got the > date-limiting range requests in our reports. > It would be nice, I think, to have a 'max count limit' on the "time range report" requests. eg... ...Or something like that. It would be up the client though to page through the result. This would be simpler now since the client can do a new time range report with the date of the last result as the start date and keeping the end date the same, also again with the max limit. This is not new functionality, but I think it would make the time-range report/queries more convenient to use. Regards, Kervin Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EF07F53F for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DBB142287 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24768-10; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lisa.local (w002.z065106067.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [65.106.67.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA71142271; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:34:49 -0700 (PDT) To: "Helge Hess" , "CalDAV DevList" Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Truncation of large responses References: <42D6A763.20403@rpi.edu> <524caf03d90ac59b5a086a61c0088c79@opengroupware.org> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:34:41 -0700 From: "Lisa Dusseault" Organization: OSAF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <524caf03d90ac59b5a086a61c0088c79@opengroupware.org> User-Agent: Opera M2/8.01 (MacPPC, build 2092) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:34:53 -0000 Actually I once worked on an extension, which worked fine, to request a "page" of results at a time. The server knew what was in the collection and had some idea of order so you could ask for results 1 to 40, then 41 to 80 in a separate request. There was no guarantee that a new item wouldn't slip between the cracks, but then this wasn't intended for synchronization -- it was intended for browsing. I don't think it's required for CalDAV, however, because we've got the date-limiting range requests in our reports. Lisa On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:03:00 -0700, Helge Hess wrote: > On Jul 14, 2005, at 19:56, Mike Douglass wrote: >> Should there be some other mechanism e.g. give me a 1000 events >> starting at the 3000th? > > Such an operation probably wouldn't make a lot of sense due to > concurrent access on the collection. > > What you can do as a client to reduce transfer sizes is to first query > minimal information of all records (eg just the etags) and then use > batches to retrieve the actual content in steps. > > This would probably be the thing being done by offline oriented clients > anyway. > > Greets, > Helge -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E83E7F547 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570C5142287 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25063-05 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mdlink.net (medusa.mdlink.de [213.211.192.34]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16DC142286 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mdlink.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AFC31DFBE for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:56:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.126] (gw.skyrix.com [213.211.192.97]) by mail.mdlink.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D78731DFAC for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:56:30 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <42D6A763.20403@rpi.edu> References: <42D6A763.20403@rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <524caf03d90ac59b5a086a61c0088c79@opengroupware.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Helge Hess Subject: Re: [Ietf-caldav] Truncation of large responses Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:03:00 +0200 To: CalDAV DevList X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:02:10 -0000 On Jul 14, 2005, at 19:56, Mike Douglass wrote: > Should there be some other mechanism e.g. give me a 1000 events > starting at the 3000th? Such an operation probably wouldn't make a lot of sense due to concurrent access on the collection. What you can do as a client to reduce transfer sizes is to first query minimal information of all records (eg just the etags) and then use batches to retrieve the actual content in steps. This would probably be the thing being done by offline oriented clients anyway. Greets, Helge -- http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/helge/ OpenGroupware.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634EC7F53F for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B51E142286 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25234-03 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC66142278 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.113.124.156] (crustacean-27.dynamic.rpi.edu [128.113.124.156]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j6EHupgA006236 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:56:51 -0400 Message-ID: <42D6A763.20403@rpi.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:56:51 -0400 From: Mike Douglass User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CalDAV DevList Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL, BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] Truncation of large responses X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:56:53 -0000 Having watched the server in action (usually a bad thing) it raised the issue of (very) large responses. Our anonymous caldav server gets a request to return all the events. Currently I don't limit that response even though there are a lot of events. In time there will be more and I will have to do so. I assume the only fallback a client might have at the moment is to request segments of data through the use of date ranges. Should there be some other mechanism e.g. give me a 1000 events starting at the 3000th? -- Mike Douglass douglm@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer Communication & Collaboration Technologies 518 276 6780(voice) 2809 (fax) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44807F57D for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C2C14229E for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26778-01 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D6614229D for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id j6CC1PxO014595 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pbhtablet (c-24-131-191-32.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.131.191.32]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as pbh@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.1/8.12.4) with ESMTP id j6CC1HhA023775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200507121201.j6CC1HhA023775@outgoing.mit.edu> From: "Paul B. Hill" To: "'CalDAV DevList'" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:00:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWG2KdujjHop7CAS/Gus0ACVnYjugAAJ2tA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] FW: [Sipping] New draft on SIP calendaring X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:01:28 -0000 FYI -----Original Message----- From: sipping-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sipping-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aki Niemi Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:53 AM To: sipping Subject: [Sipping] New draft on SIP calendaring Hi, I've submitted a first stab at defining event packages for SIP based calendaring and scheduling. The purpose is to be able to subscribe to remote calendars and schedule meetings with other SIP enabled nodes (i.e., define a SIP binding to iTIP). Comments are welcome. Until the draft appears in the I-D archives, you can get a copy at: http://people.nokia.net/~aki/drafts/draft-niemi-sipping-cal-events-00.txt Cheers, Aki _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E3C7F58F for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5C614227D for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11556-04 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2FF4142275 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 64839 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 17:10:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by leilani.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B097F56B for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 07:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DE214228A for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 07:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18140-03 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 07:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svr59.edns1.com (svr59.edns1.com [67.15.20.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C526142276 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 07:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 154.15.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com ([68.205.15.154]:3017 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by svr59.edns1.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.44) id 1Doj7p-0000ce-RL for ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 07:37:46 -0700 Message-ID: <42C6A6D7.6070002@adevsoft.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:38:15 -0400 From: "Kervin L. Pierre" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr59.edns1.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - osafoundation.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - adevsoft.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 tagged_above=-50.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Ietf-caldav] Recent Mozilla or other CalDAV client development builds? X-BeenThere: ietf-caldav@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Calendar Access protocol based on WebDAV List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:37:49 -0000 Hello, I am looking for a CalDAV client for tracing network activity so to make sure that mine is doing the right thing. Heard Mozilla has an advanced client, but does anyone have recent binaries of their that client ( is it Sunbird or Lightning ) with CalDAV support. If not, are there any other CalDAV implementations that I can download and use? It could be binary since I just need the network traffic. Thanks, Kervin