From bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch Mon Mar 7 10:33:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073403A67FF; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:33:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.289 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.289 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.310, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DJTU8QwNf9e7; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from softronics.hoeneisen.ch (softronics.hoeneisen.ch [62.2.86.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87E13A680C; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by softronics.hoeneisen.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PwfFw-0005fB-Lc; Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:34:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:34:08 +0100 (CET) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@softronics.hoeneisen.ch To: IETF CALDAV list Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on softronics.hoeneisen.ch); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: IETF ENUM list Subject: [caldav] I-D Action:draft-hoeneisen-rfc5333bis-00.txt (fwd) X-BeenThere: caldav@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:33:01 -0000 FYI: Yesterday I have submitted an I-D for a revision of RFC 5333 to include the Calendaring Enumservices related to draft-desruisseaux-caldav-sched. Those had to be stripped from RFC 5333 at a very late stage, to get rid of the dependency on draft-desruisseaux-caldav-sched, which was not ready for publication back then. Looking forward to your feedback, in particular whether there is a need for an Enumservice "ical-sched:http" (besides "ical-sched:https"). cheers, Bernie -- http://ucom.ch/ Tech Consulting for Internet Standardization ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:45:01 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-hoeneisen-rfc5333bis-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : IANA Registration of Enumservices for Internet Calendaring Author(s) : B. Hoeneisen Filename : draft-hoeneisen-rfc5333bis-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2011-03-06 This document registers and updates Enumservices for Internet calendaring. Specifically, this document focuses on Enumservices for scheduling with iMIP (iCalendar Message-Based Interoperability Protocol) and for accessing Internet calendaring information with CalDAV (Calendaring Extensions to WebDAV). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoeneisen-rfc5333bis-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From mir@datanom.net Tue Mar 8 18:17:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692323A6808 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:17:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4eohkDXrF5H2 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.datanom.net (unknown [90.184.69.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222FD3A6800 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:15:20 -0800 (PST) to: caldav@ietf.org Message-Id: <20110309021549.222FD3A6800@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:15:20 -0800 (PST) From: mir@datanom.net Subject: [caldav] Testing PTR since list is configured pedantic X-BeenThere: caldav@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 02:17:30 -0000 This mail is to confirm that my mail will not be rejected. From mir@datanom.net Tue Mar 8 18:20:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3E63A6808 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:20:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yWEKqnZH-8Mm for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.datanom.net (unknown [90.184.69.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC1A3A6800 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sleipner.datanom.net (sleipner.datanom.net [192.168.2.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mir@datanom.net) by mail.datanom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47D505826DEF for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:21:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:21:45 +0100 From: Michael Rasmussen To: Message-ID: <20110309032145.0988bf9a@sleipner.datanom.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs57 (GTK+ 2.20.1; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Face: +UpSPFkh3^t&rI|{Ou$3/l]vjTk; D5c0k; *3p?O2c+:bV#y*0q4EWQ[Kdd2=; PR}nK Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/F0libmNe=mc5GyZUrp8N8az"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: [caldav] All Day Events X-BeenThere: caldav@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 02:20:32 -0000 --Sig_/F0libmNe=mc5GyZUrp8N8az Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi list, Is there any normative way of handling all-day events on its way into the specification? The current situation seems to be split between two idioms. An all-day event of 2011-03-03 is expressed in either of these two ways: 1) DTSTART;VALUE=3DDATE:20110303 DTEND;VALUE=3DDATE:20110303=20 2) DTSTART;VALUE=3DDATE:20110303 DTEND;VALUE=3DDATE:20110304=20 Personally I tend to vote for option 1) since option 2) clashes with the possibility of specifying a two day event. --=20 Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- Write clearly - don't be too clever. - The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher) --Sig_/F0libmNe=mc5GyZUrp8N8az Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk125DkACgkQQQOPluUB9Rx6XQCdGaq+DITKBnAuMLa8kqmJufia 8n0AnjQ9Y+q+q2t/K4lkzNl+LdbzGh/v =kmYr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/F0libmNe=mc5GyZUrp8N8az-- From helge.hess@opengroupware.org Tue Mar 8 18:28:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065D03A6807 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:28:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gsQFUjUB4Eis for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub.opengroupware.org (mailhub.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.144]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223003A6802 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mailhub.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.144]) by mailhub.opengroupware.org (OPENGROUPWARE.ORG MAILHUB) with ESMTP id 43ABA2282F5; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:30:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at opengroupware.org Received: from mailhub.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.144]) by localhost (mailhub.opengroupware.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BhNktaf94xv3; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:30:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.99] (c-98-248-46-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.248.46.133]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhub.opengroupware.org (OPENGROUPWARE.ORG MAILHUB) with ESMTPSA id 78FB42282F4; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:30:03 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Helge Hess In-Reply-To: <20110309032145.0988bf9a@sleipner.datanom.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:29:58 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9FDD07CD-0343-4ABA-BA29-E0D55079CE95@opengroupware.org> References: <20110309032145.0988bf9a@sleipner.datanom.net> To: Michael Rasmussen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: caldav@ietf.org Subject: Re: [caldav] All Day Events X-BeenThere: caldav@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 02:28:54 -0000 On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > 1) > DTSTART;VALUE=3DDATE:20110303 > DTEND;VALUE=3DDATE:20110303=20 Not sure what you are talking about but the above is invalid iCalendar: http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2445.html#sec-4.8.2.2 "Within the "VEVENT" calendar component, this property defines the date and time by which the event ends. The value MUST be later in time than the value of the "DTSTART" property." DTEND is exclusive, not inclusive. Your option two is right for a one = day event. Another option is using duration, eg: DTSTART;VALUE=3DDATE:20110303 DURATION:P1D hh From cyrus@daboo.name Tue Mar 8 18:30:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: caldav@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A70D3A6816 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:30:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.263 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.263 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.336, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AAfFlHw3nSin for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from daboo.name (daboo.name [151.201.22.177]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8823A6813 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14C11C094176; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:31:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daboo.name Received: from daboo.name ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chewy.mulberrymail.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gpixEU5oiprL; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.7] (unknown [151.201.22.177]) by daboo.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AD7E1C09416B; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:31:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:31:34 -0500 From: Cyrus Daboo To: Michael Rasmussen , caldav@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20110309032145.0988bf9a@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20110309032145.0988bf9a@sleipner.datanom.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; size=1070 Subject: Re: [caldav] All Day Events X-BeenThere: caldav@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 02:30:17 -0000 Hi Michael, --On March 9, 2011 3:21:45 AM +0100 Michael Rasmussen wrote: > The current situation seems to be split between two idioms. An all-day > event of 2011-03-03 is expressed in either of these two ways: > 1) > DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20110303 > DTEND;VALUE=DATE:20110303 > 2) > DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20110303 > DTEND;VALUE=DATE:20110304 > > Personally I tend to vote for option 1) since option 2) clashes with > the possibility of specifying a two day event. The behavior specified by iCalendar is that the DTSTART is "inclusive" and the DTEND is "exclusive". What that means is an event ends at the very instant before the DTEND value. So strictly speaking your #1 example is wrong as it specifies an event of zero duration (it ends at the very instant that it starts). #2 is valid. There is a third option which is to just specify the DTSTART value as iCalendar states that the default duration in that case is one day. The fourth option is to use DTSTART and DURATION which is arguably the least confusing representation. -- Cyrus Daboo