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	Title		: iCalendar Message-Based Interoperability Protocol (iMIP)
	Author(s)	: A. Melnikov
	Filename	: draft-ietf-calsify-rfc2447bis-08.txt
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> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5545,
> "Internet Calendaring and Scheduling Core Object Specification (iCalendar)".
>
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5545&eid=2039
>
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Arnout Engelen <arnouten@bzzt.net>
>
> Section: 4
>
> Original Text
> -------------
>        BEGIN:VALARM
>        ACTION:AUDIO
>        TRIGGER:19980403T120000Z
>        ATTACH;FMTTYPE=audio/basic:http://example.com/pub/audio-
>         files/ssbanner.aud
>        REPEAT:4
>        DURATION:PT1H
>        END:VALARM
>
>
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>        BEGIN:VALARM
>        ACTION:AUDIO
>        TRIGGER;VALUE=DATE-TIME:19980403T120000Z
>        ATTACH;FMTTYPE=audio/basic:http://example.com/pub/audio-
>         files/ssbanner.aud
>        REPEAT:4
>        DURATION:PT1H
>        END:VALARM
>
>
> Notes
> -----
> The trigger is presented as a DATE-TIME, but the default type of this field is DURATION (3.8.6.3). Either the type must be specified (as per my corrected text), or specified in DURATION format.
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> Publication Date    : September 2009
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RFC Errata System wrote:
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> "Internet Calendaring and Scheduling Core Object Specification (iCalendar)".
>
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5545&eid=2038
>
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Editorial
> Reported by: Arnout Engelen <arnouten@bzzt.net>
>
> Section: Appendix A
>
> Original Text
> -------------
>    5.  The "DURATION" property can no longer appear in "VFREEBUSY"
>        components.
>
> A.2. Restrictions Removed
>
>
>
> Corrected Text
> --------------
>    5.  The "DURATION" property can no longer appear in "VFREEBUSY"
>        components.
>
>    6.  Use of the "charset" Content-Type parameter in MIME transports 
>        is now mandatory.
>
> A.2. Restrictions Removed
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Hi,

I'm starting to see ICAL appearing in the wild from a well known mobile 
phone provider's devices with VEVENT dates referencing a VTIMEZONE 
component whose rules' onset times are in the future of the actual 
appointment.  Any views on how these should be treated?  The libical 
library we use assumes (not unreasonably IMHO) that such times are UTC - 
which is clearly at odds with the actual intent.

For example, the following contains a VTIMEZONE with only 2 rules that 
first apply from 14th March (DST) or 17th Nov (Standard) this year, but 
the appointment is on 17th February this year...

...
BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
TZID:US/Central
BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
DTSTART:20100314T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=2SU;BYMONTH=3
TZNAME:CDT
TZOFFSETFROM:-0600
TZOFFSETTO:-0500
END:DAYLIGHT
BEGIN:STANDARD
DTSTART:20101107T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=11
TZNAME:CST
TZOFFSETFROM:-0500
TZOFFSETTO:-0600
END:STANDARD
END:VTIMEZONE
BEGIN:VEVENT
...
DTSTART;TZID=US/Central:20100217T170000
DTEND;TZID=US/Central:20100217T180000
...


Regards,
Gren.

-- 
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Senior Software Engineer
*Scalix*
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Hi,<br>
<br>
I'm starting to see ICAL appearing in the wild from a well known mobile
phone provider's devices with VEVENT dates referencing a VTIMEZONE
component whose rules' onset times are in the future of the actual
appointment.&nbsp; Any views on how these should be treated?&nbsp; The libical
library we use assumes (not unreasonably IMHO) that such times are UTC
- which is clearly at odds with the actual intent.<br>
<br>
For example, the following contains a VTIMEZONE with only 2 rules that
first apply from 14th March (DST) or 17th Nov (Standard) this year, but
the appointment is on 17th February this year...<br>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
<pre class="bz_comment_text" id="comment_text_0">...
BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
TZID:US/Central
BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
DTSTART:20100314T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=2SU;BYMONTH=3
TZNAME:CDT
TZOFFSETFROM:-0600
TZOFFSETTO:-0500
END:DAYLIGHT
BEGIN:STANDARD
DTSTART:20101107T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=11
TZNAME:CST
TZOFFSETFROM:-0500
TZOFFSETTO:-0600
END:STANDARD
END:VTIMEZONE
BEGIN:VEVENT
...
DTSTART;TZID=US/Central:20100217T170000
DTEND;TZID=US/Central:20100217T180000
...

</pre>
Regards,<br>
Gren.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
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Senior Software Engineer
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gren.elliot@scalix.com">gren.elliot@scalix.com</a>
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Hi,

I'm starting to see ICAL appearing in the wild from a well known mobile 
phone provider's devices with VEVENT dates referencing a VTIMEZONE 
component whose rules' onset times are in the future of the actual 
appointment.  Any views on how these should be treated?  The libical 
library we use assumes (not unreasonably IMHO) that such times are UTC - 
which is clearly at odds with the actual intent.

For example, the following contains a VTIMEZONE with only 2 rules that 
first apply from 14th March (DST) or 17th Nov (Standard) this year, but 
the appointment is on 17th February this year...

...
BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
TZID:US/Central
BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
DTSTART:20100314T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=2SU;BYMONTH=3
TZNAME:CDT
TZOFFSETFROM:-0600
TZOFFSETTO:-0500
END:DAYLIGHT
BEGIN:STANDARD
DTSTART:20101107T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=11
TZNAME:CST
TZOFFSETFROM:-0500
TZOFFSETTO:-0600
END:STANDARD
END:VTIMEZONE
BEGIN:VEVENT
...
DTSTART;TZID=US/Central:20100217T170000
DTEND;TZID=US/Central:20100217T180000
...


Regards,
Gren.

-- 
Gren Elliot
Senior Software Engineer
*Scalix*
gren.elliot@scalix.com
Tel: +44 1344 381812
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Hi,<br>
<br>
I'm starting to see ICAL appearing in the wild from a well known mobile
phone provider's devices with VEVENT dates referencing a VTIMEZONE
component whose rules' onset times are in the future of the actual
appointment.&nbsp; Any views on how these should be treated?&nbsp; The libical
library we use assumes (not unreasonably IMHO) that such times are UTC
- which is clearly at odds with the actual intent.<br>
<br>
For example, the following contains a VTIMEZONE with only 2 rules that
first apply from 14th March (DST) or 17th Nov (Standard) this year, but
the appointment is on 17th February this year...<br>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
<pre class="bz_comment_text" id="comment_text_0">...
BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
TZID:US/Central
BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
DTSTART:20100314T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=2SU;BYMONTH=3
TZNAME:CDT
TZOFFSETFROM:-0600
TZOFFSETTO:-0500
END:DAYLIGHT
BEGIN:STANDARD
DTSTART:20101107T020000
RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=11
TZNAME:CST
TZOFFSETFROM:-0500
TZOFFSETTO:-0600
END:STANDARD
END:VTIMEZONE
BEGIN:VEVENT
...
DTSTART;TZID=US/Central:20100217T170000
DTEND;TZID=US/Central:20100217T180000
...

</pre>
Regards,<br>
Gren.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gren.elliot@scalix.com">gren.elliot@scalix.com</a>
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Hi Gren,

--On February 26, 2010 2:06:33 PM +0000 Gren Elliot 
<gren.elliot@scalix.com> wrote:

> I'm starting to see ICAL appearing in the wild from a well known mobile
> phone provider's devices with VEVENT dates referencing a VTIMEZONE
> component whose rules' onset times are in the future of the actual
> appointment.  Any views on how these should be treated?  The libical
> library we use assumes (not unreasonably IMHO) that such times are UTC -
> which is clearly at odds with the actual intent.
>
> For example, the following contains a VTIMEZONE with only 2 rules that
> first apply from 14th March (DST) or 17th Nov (Standard) this year, but
> the appointment is on 17th February this year...

If the timezone id is "well known" you could simply map the client's 
timezone to one your server has stashed (and which is complete) and just 
substitute that. Our server does that - we use the Olson db and parse that 
on startup to cache timezone ids. Then whenever a new id is seen the 
calendar library loads the timezone definition from our cache rather than 
use the one in the data provided. Of course this is risky in that it 
assumes the same timezone id is really being used the same way by both 
client and server - but at this point I think we have to reasonably make 
that assumption.

One day we will have a standard timezone registry so there would be a 
guarantee that ids always represent the same set of timezone rules. This is 
a perfect example of why such a registry is needed!

-- 
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Hi Gren,

--On February 26, 2010 2:06:33 PM +0000 Gren Elliot 
<gren.elliot@scalix.com> wrote:

> I'm starting to see ICAL appearing in the wild from a well known mobile
> phone provider's devices with VEVENT dates referencing a VTIMEZONE
> component whose rules' onset times are in the future of the actual
> appointment.  Any views on how these should be treated?  The libical
> library we use assumes (not unreasonably IMHO) that such times are UTC -
> which is clearly at odds with the actual intent.
>
> For example, the following contains a VTIMEZONE with only 2 rules that
> first apply from 14th March (DST) or 17th Nov (Standard) this year, but
> the appointment is on 17th February this year...

If the timezone id is "well known" you could simply map the client's 
timezone to one your server has stashed (and which is complete) and just 
substitute that. Our server does that - we use the Olson db and parse that 
on startup to cache timezone ids. Then whenever a new id is seen the 
calendar library loads the timezone definition from our cache rather than 
use the one in the data provided. Of course this is risky in that it 
assumes the same timezone id is really being used the same way by both 
client and server - but at this point I think we have to reasonably make 
that assumption.

One day we will have a standard timezone registry so there would be a 
guarantee that ids always represent the same set of timezone rules. This is 
a perfect example of why such a registry is needed!

-- 
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On 26/02/2010 15:14, Rick DeNatale wrote:
> As I understand it, in the case of an event time prior to the event
> time with a timezone, you should use the UTC offset specified in the
> TZOFFSETFROM property of the earliest DAYLIGHT or STANDARD period of
> that time zone, which would be the DAYLIGHT period starting at
> 20100314T020000, so the offset would be -0600,
>
> Note that each DAYLIGHT/STANDARD period carries not only the offset to
> be applied during that period, but also the offset applied for the
> previous period.
>
> This allows for dealing with times before a given timezone existed, or
> more to the point before daylight savings time was introduced to a
> given timezone.
>    

Good point - I hadn't thought of that aspect.  In which case the problem 
isn't as bad as I had thought it was.
Cyrus's suggestion on using the system timezone definitions in 
preference also has a lot of merits.
I'll probably end up with fixes based on some mix of the 2 ideas (as not 
all TZIDs may be known on the system).

Thanks to you both,

Regards,
Gren.
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On 26/02/2010 15:14, Rick DeNatale wrote:
> As I understand it, in the case of an event time prior to the event
> time with a timezone, you should use the UTC offset specified in the
> TZOFFSETFROM property of the earliest DAYLIGHT or STANDARD period of
> that time zone, which would be the DAYLIGHT period starting at
> 20100314T020000, so the offset would be -0600,
>
> Note that each DAYLIGHT/STANDARD period carries not only the offset to
> be applied during that period, but also the offset applied for the
> previous period.
>
> This allows for dealing with times before a given timezone existed, or
> more to the point before daylight savings time was introduced to a
> given timezone.
>    

Good point - I hadn't thought of that aspect.  In which case the problem 
isn't as bad as I had thought it was.
Cyrus's suggestion on using the system timezone definitions in 
preference also has a lot of merits.
I'll probably end up with fixes based on some mix of the 2 ideas (as not 
all TZIDs may be known on the system).

Thanks to you both,

Regards,
Gren.

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Hi folks,
I have just uploaded a new draft that defines some new iCalendar properties 
(<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-icalendar-extensions>). Several of 
these are ones that have various X- variants floating around, so this draft 
is an attempt to standardise the name and usage as per our new IANA 
registry process.

Comments welcome.

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Hi folks,
I have just uploaded a new draft that defines some new iCalendar properties 
(<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-daboo-icalendar-extensions>). Several of 
these are ones that have various X- variants floating around, so this draft 
is an attempt to standardise the name and usage as per our new IANA 
registry process.

Comments welcome.

-- 
Cyrus Daboo

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