From ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Tue Jun 8 14:21:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3AB3A67CC for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:21:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zDyNhNOavrzX for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leka.osafoundation.org (leka.osafoundation.org [149.20.54.96]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8173A67C0 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5FE77D719; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:21:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from leka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (leka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s5LgFiA0WYns; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leka.osafoundation.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB3A77D715; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:21:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD07A77D704 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:21:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from leka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (leka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zvqCZCYRNH8L for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vizzini.inverse.ca (inverse.ca [67.205.85.245]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6647077D719 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vizzini.inverse.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77B56301C5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:20:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at inverse.ca Received: from vizzini.inverse.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vizzini.inverse.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ajp04pBi1qO5 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.128] (unknown [68.67.40.82]) by vizzini.inverse.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 807AD6301A9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 17:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4C0EB425.6030904@inverse.ca> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:20:37 -0400 From: Wolfgang Sourdeau User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070105070409030007060208" Subject: [ietf-calsify] a few comments about draft-daboo-et-al-icalendar-in-xml X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "RFC2445, 2446 and 2447 Discusions" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Errors-To: ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070105070409030007060208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I would like to submit a few comments about the "draft-daboo-et-al-icalendar-in-xml" draft. What I like about this draft is the parallelism with the versit tree and keywords. I believe it's a good thing considering that one could want to use the same base classes for exporting a versit version and an xCal version of the same iCalendar object. With that in mind, I have a few critics: 1) about value typing: I think this feature should be dropped altogether. The reasons being: - it's useless considering the fact that properly written parsers *must* validate the data that's fed to them anyways, therefore requiring from them the prior "knowledge" of the underlying value types - it's inconsistent within the spec. - example 1: "version" has a type of "text" while it really should be "float" - example 2: the property attributes are not typed, while they should as consistency would require - example 3: the same applies to multi-value properties such as "rrule", where each subvalue keyword is a type in itself - it bloats the output (minor reason) 2) there is a small but bothering inconsistency between the iCalendar "RRULE" and the xCal "rrule". With iCalendar, one can specify the "BYDAY" value with the week and day next to one another. In xCal, those are actually sub-subvalues with different keywords ("ordwk" and "weekday"). By looking at it, I suspect that this would be meant to fix some inconsistency in the iCalendar format itself where "BYDAY" may or may not have a week number, depending on the specified frequency. Nonetheless, fixing this in this spec causes more trouble than it solves since, code-wise, it must be represented differently in memory depending on the output format, where the iCalendar repr. would make use of a simple monolithic "subvalue" where the xcal repr. would make use of two "sub-subvalues". Therefore, by example, instead of this: YEARLY 3 2 SU ... it would be better to have this, in my opinion: YEARLY 3 2SU I hope you fill find these comments useful and I wish you a good day! -- Wolfgang Sourdeau :: +1 (514) 447-4918 ext. 125 :: wsourdeau@inverse.ca Inverse inc. 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This draft is a work item of the Calendaring and Scheduling Standards Simplification Working Group of the IETF. Title : iCalendar Message-Based Interoperability Protocol (iMIP) Author(s) : A. Melnikov Filename : draft-ietf-calsify-rfc2447bis-09.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2010-6-21 This document, iCalendar Message-Based Interoperability Protocol (iMIP), specifies a binding from the iCalendar Transport-independent Interoperability Protocol (iTIP) to Internet email-based transports. Calendaring entries defined by the iCalendar Object Model (iCalendar) are wrapped using constructs from RFC 5322, RFC 2045, RFC 2046, RFC 2047 and RFC 2049, and then transported over SMTP. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-calsify-rfc2447bis-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-calsify-rfc2447bis-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-6-21110130.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ietf-calsify mailing list ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify --NextPart-- From ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Tue Jun 22 01:55:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9613D3A6981 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:55:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.414, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KwyPhevxKqtx for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leka.osafoundation.org (leka.osafoundation.org [149.20.54.96]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE663A691B for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9556794018; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:55:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from leka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (leka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YHsbFhbk3lP5; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leka.osafoundation.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F50279401A; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37597794018 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:45:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from leka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (leka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WYaex2veiGa8 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B84F79401A for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 01:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.2.159] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:45:25 +0100 Message-ID: <4C207817.3050309@isode.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:45:11 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org References: <20100621181503.3487D3A6A8D@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20100621181503.3487D3A6A8D@core3.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [ietf-calsify] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-calsify-rfc2447bis-09.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "RFC2445, 2446 and 2447 Discusions" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Errors-To: ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. >This draft is a work item of the Calendaring and Scheduling Standards Simplification Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : iCalendar Message-Based Interoperability Protocol (iMIP) > Author(s) : A. Melnikov > Filename : draft-ietf-calsify-rfc2447bis-09.txt > Pages : 22 > Date : 2010-6-21 > >This document, iCalendar Message-Based Interoperability Protocol > (iMIP), specifies a binding from the iCalendar Transport-independent > Interoperability Protocol (iTIP) to Internet email-based transports. > Calendaring entries defined by the iCalendar Object Model (iCalendar) > are wrapped using constructs from RFC 5322, RFC 2045, RFC 2046, RFC > 2047 and RFC 2049, and then transported over SMTP. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-calsify-rfc2447bis-09.txt > > This version addresses most of the Peter's reviews comments. It also has no editorial issues left, so I think this version is ready for IETF LC. Regards, Alexey P.S. Due to shortage of free time I didn't check that remaining comments from other earlier reviews were checked. Can I ask people who submitted reviews to double check if their issues were addressed (or no longer relevant). _______________________________________________ ietf-calsify mailing list ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify