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AcXq22FJyGkrNcksR1mAlHGMxSJIqAAAqntgAQdNNpABitK4oAAEolpwAIaFR4A= From: "Mani, Mahalingam (Mahalingam)" To: "Susan Hares" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Susan, Zipped pdf's do appear to work well. Thanks, -mani =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Original Message----- From: Susan Hares [mailto:skh@nexthop.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:05 PM To: capwap@frascone.com; Mani, Mahalingam (Mahalingam) Subject: FW: [Capwap] CAPWAP and DTLS Mani: 2nd attempt. Zip file only contains the pdf for the power point.=20 Hope this clears up any confusion. sue -----Original Message----- From:=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:58 PM To: 'Mani, Mahalingam (Mahalingam)'; capwap@frascone.com Cc: dorothy.gellert@nokia.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP and DTLS Mani: I forwarded this power point as additional information provided from CAPWAP discussion at IETF 64.=20 1st - let me ask if zip files work. =20 I'm resending this one as ppt and pdf.=20 2nd - Textual figures are usually used in the documents for IETF. I believe you will find that the original portion of the=20 Presentation was in text based on the LWAPP State Machine. 3rd - State machines usually require detail. =20 Good state machine detail usually aids in inter-operability detail. I've attached both the power point and PDF. Post what you will where you will (your choice as chair.) 4th - the Author responded on list and will produce another document. Any questions?=20 Sue=20 =09 -----Original Message----- From: Mani, Mahalingam (Mahalingam) [mailto:mmani@avaya.com]=20 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:01 PM To: Susan Hares; capwap@frascone.com Cc: dorothy.gellert@nokia.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP and DTLS Susan, Firstly - I am surprised your email made it to the list - considering = your attachment exceeds the maximum size limit (I think it is ~40k). The attachment you have twice posted to the list contain confidentiality = clause in the legend. Should you wish to post material to this WG list do so without any such clauses (refer section 10.2 of RFC2026 at the = minimum). The WG members may very well choose not to view/respond to these two for = this reason. As is the norm in IETF - let's to work with textual figures as much as = possible in this discussion list. In case you feel the required level of detail is compelling enough to = resort to graphic recourse such as this - to expedite discussions in = this instance - I would be glad to to post a PDF / HTML version of this in = the CAPWAP website for WG reference to - if you can come up with a document (without the aforesaid clause). regards, -mani =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________________ From: Susan Hares [mailto:skh@nexthop.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:49 AM To: Inderpreet Singh; capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP and DTLS Here's a power point presentation that gives my suggestion "connection" = state changes that DTLS draft should Suggest if it is going to be used by the LWAPP. If the key exchange is going to be run over DTLS, more changes need to = be added. I promised to send this short info here. Sue ________________________________________ From: capwap-admin@lists.frascone.com = [mailto:capwap-admin@lists.frascone.com] On Behalf Of Inderpreet Singh Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:27 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP and DTLS Hi all,=20 I recall at the meeting there was discussion that we would continue a = more thorough analysis of the issues with utilizing DTLS for securing = the LWAPP control channel (if any) on the email list.=A0 Any update or = timeframe on that? In addition, we need to close on the choice between=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1) separate UDP ports for the control and data = path=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 2) protocol mux in the headers=20 Much appreciated, thanks=20 ---=20 Inderpreet Singh=20 Chief Architect=20 Chantry Networks Inc., A Siemens Company=20 inderpreet.singh@siemens.com=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From d9yfa@ameritrade.com Sat Dec 03 03:19:04 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EiSbo-0001AV-5j; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:19:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04905; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 03:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EiSwP-0008VL-Ds; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:40:37 -0500 Received: from 219-105-87-204.adachi.ne.jp ([219.105.87.204]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EiSbL-0005Ht-9P; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 03:18:39 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.9] ([219.105.87.204]) by hotmail.com (Sendmail 8.7.2) with ESMTP (SSL) id IYT07388 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 02:17:54 -0600 Message-ID: <136b345r.5048122@hotmail.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=arsenal; d=hotmail.com; b=hNsMaFX6QidTihXhNIHwy2abkDywu8nkuXoOwKp4oNzSuSDXCahP0DkNcNfSVGyairfCIL2RDeNTbmIP; X-Display: Full X-List: formic.usenet Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 02:17:54 -0600 From: "Jaime Lawson" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdhcwg@ietf.org Subject: Re-finance at the lowestt ratess Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_37771813==.OLA" X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: ee80a2074afbfe28d15369f4e74e579d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_37771813==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Full X-List: quake.usenet Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:17:23 -0600 From: "Rosemarie Campbell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bridge-mib@ietf.org, bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org, business@ietf.org, calsch@ietf.org, cancer@ietf.org, capwap-archive@ietf.org, ccips@ietf.org, cclark@ietf.org, cdi-archive@ietf.org, cdir-admin@ietf.org Subject: Low mortagge ratee approvall Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_49866389==.OLA" X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Scan-Signature: ee80a2074afbfe28d15369f4e74e579d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_49866389==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:08:01 -0700 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: CAPWAP Candidate Protocol Evaluation: WG Consensus Thread-Index: AcX8diLIX/dTiRxiRX6V+4dGwVeVYA== X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high From: "Mani, Mahalingam (Mahalingam)" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.093 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP Candidate Protocol Evaluation: WG Consensus X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for responding to the poll for (better) measuring WG opinion on the evaluation draft's baseline recommendation. The intent was to get a better feel for sensing the pulse than at times the discussions may allow for. The poll indicates 49 in favor of the evaluation team's recommendation of baseline protocol and 19 against. Taken together with discussions in the WG mailing list and in WG sessions; the working group chairs recognize that this consensus is very rough. However, the WG chairs judge that we would not be able to reach a more universal consensus *and* be able to complete our work within a reasonable amount of time. While we would have liked to see a clearer consensus; in the interests of moving work forward, the chairs believe the best available option is to 1. use evaluation-team recommendation of LWAPP as the baseline CAPWAP protocol and 2. work to (a) resolve issues/features discussed in the list (b) other recommendations proposed in the evaluation to be further considered / discarded for adoption/change in the resulting CAPWAP=20 protocol work. (c) other WG items in the charter. =20 Regards, -Mani & Dorothy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From grilla@fmsd.k12.pa.us Fri Dec 09 09:34:44 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EkjKe-0007pQ-GV for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:34:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA11935 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [220.174.82.9] (helo=fmsd.k12.pa.us) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkjKd-0005iN-Tx for capwap-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c5fccd$a17aec10$fbdfa8c0@Boxing> Reply-To: "Herve Grill" From: "Herve Grill" To: "Kaarina Dedrick" Subject: Re: inconstancy examinational Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:34:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5FCA3.B8A4E410" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C5FCA3.B8A4E410 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C5FCA3.B8A4E410" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C5FCA3.B8A4E410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 http://www.wiremebe.com =20 Theyre both, I told you that. 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But the hatred that obsesses Carlos grows like a cancer in his = aging brain. One man drew him out; one man tricked him, usurped his kills, taking credit for the Jackals work, kill after kill, driving Carlos mad when he was trying to correct the record, trying to maintain his supremacy as the ultimate assassin. That same man was responsible for the death of his lover-but one far more than a lover, the woman who was his keel, his beloved since childhood in Venezuela, his colleague in all things. That single man, one of hundreds, perhaps thousands sent out by governments everywhere, was the only one who ever saw his face-as the Jackal. The man who did all this was a product of American intelligence, a strange man who lived a deadly lie every day of his life for three years. And Carlos will not rest until that man is punished ... and killed. The man is Jason Bourne.
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I have a number of comments on the draft that are below. Most a minor editorial things but some are areas I do not understand a) Use of "integer" is not consistent in the document --- most of the time it means unsigned, sometimes signed (but marked as signed), but sometimes the phrase "unsigned integer" is used and this then makes me wonder if the fields marked integer are signed or not. b) page 32 -- section 5.1 "Discovery requests MUST be sent by an ... AND when no echo responses are received and the WTP" I think it should say that "Discovery requests MUST be sent by a WTP when the WTP returns to the idle state. This can occur for example when no echo responses are received for NeibhborDeadInteval. " c) Page 35 -- Radio Type -- no 802.11b (only) -- no 802.11n -- no superG -- no superA d) Page 37 -- Section 5.2.4 WTP manager control IPV4 address -- do not understand the text -- is there only one ip address ? if so -- then the ip address is used to return the interface of the AC. If only one address -- how is load balancing done ? e) Page 41 -- Section 6.1 Join Request -- 3rd paragraph -- Why the 1596 MTU limit -- how was this number chosen ? == (RIF routes if vlan ?) if I use 802.3 then I have seen h/w do 1522 (4 byte vlan tag) -- some number a little bigger than 1522 and h/w do 16K bytes -- (intel ixp 4xx series) --- The 16K number is bigger than the 4k SDU for wireless medium... Would it be better to base the discovery on the MTU of the wireless media and work down ? f) Page 52 -- Section 6.5 and Section 6.6 -- Change item that says see Figure 2 -- to read see section 2.2 g) Page 60 -- REboot Statistics == this requires the WTP maintain state to know if the last Failure Type was LWAPP initiated. Same comment for Crash count. No value defined for state not maintained by WTP. Add cross reference to section where AC tells WTP to reboot. h) Page 65 -- Blacklist Entry's -- This whole area is not good from my point of view. When I configure a firewall I say what is allowed (explicitly) and forbid everything else -- there is no way I can give a list of trusted stations and forbid everything else. This makes live very difficult. There is room for a blacklist -- but an allowed list is also needed. i) Page 70 -- Image Data -- do not understand how this can work -- only 2 fragments allowed -- no count of what is being sent etc -- no way to detect packet loss --- why not use data xfer mechanism of tftp ? -- the blocks are numbered == etc BUT define a md5 hash of the whole image and give its length in the initial request. j) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.1 Decryption Error Report == add note about only useful if split mac. k) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.2 Duplicate IP address == what is a host ? Is this a mobile station ? What about the case of a mobile station having the SAME mac address as a already connected mobile station to the WTP. == only useful if NOT split mac l) General comment -- there is no command to synchronize time (set the clocks) in the WTP to a common time base j) General comment -- why not use the text in the 802.11 MIB definitions and the name of the MIB entry where these are used to configure the WTP k) Page 94 -- Section 11.3.1 -- WLAN's field -- just do NOT understand how setting a bit relates to the WLAN ID's used later in the document -- can you give an example or two ? Only 16 WLAN ID's allowed ??/ l) Page 97 -- WLAN ID -- field is 8 bits -- other places in document 16 bits m) Page 102 -- IEEE 802.11 stats -- Why not pad out Radio ID with 3 bytes of "reserved field" so all other fields are 32 bit aligned or move it to the end of definition (after decryption errors). n) Page 105 -- WLAN ID -- picture is 8 bits -- text is 16 bits o) Page 109 WLAN Capability -- can you rename this and ALL other fields to use the same terms as the 802.11 base standard or the MIB (very confusing) -- or cross reference p) Page 113 -- Country Code -- reference 802.11d since this is the definition q) Page 113 -- Rate Set -- is length wrong ? should be >= 2 otherwise what is definition for rates NOT used r) Page 115 -- RTS Threshold etc -- use wording from the MIB definitions for all of these entries and reference mib object s) Page 119 -- IEEE Antenna length -- length sound be >= 5 t) Page 120 -- Supported rates -- length >= 2 and <= 9 u) Page 122 - WTP Qos -- length is 2 if untagged or 802.1p -- if dscp it is 2 + (10)*dscp entries v) Security -- any reason ssl could not be used even for level 2 encryption? since the link is PT to PT -- the ip address/header is not need -- then almost same code as layer 3 -- and the package is public domain so easy to hack regards, Philip Philip Rakity prakity@u4eatech.com _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Dec 12 17:09:38 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ElvrW-0005LK-Hy for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:09:38 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04865 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A994300E7 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA54430067 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA11980C1CD for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout1.bayarea.net (smtpout1.bayarea.net [209.128.95.10]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C38C80C1B4 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell4.bayarea.net (shell4.bayarea.net [209.128.82.1]) by smtpout1.bayarea.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBCM9HcU032137; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:09:17 -0800 Received: from shell4.bayarea.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shell4.bayarea.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jBCM98qB011861; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:09:08 -0800 Received: from localhost (dperkins@localhost) by shell4.bayarea.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id jBCM97dw011852; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:09:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: shell4.bayarea.net: dperkins owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:09:06 -0800 (PST) From: "David T. Perkins" X-Sender: dperkins@shell4.bayarea.net To: Philip Rakity Subject: Re: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP(MIB comment clarification) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: capwap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com HI, You have a long list of items. I would like to get some clarification on only a single point. Others may want to comment on other points On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Philip Rakity wrote: > j) General comment -- why not use the text in the 802.11 MIB > definitions and the name of the MIB entry where these are used to > configure the WTP > > Philip Rakity > prakity@u4eatech.com > Would you provide a short example. Thanks, /david t. perkins _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Dec 12 17:54:01 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ElwYT-00070q-Fk for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:54:01 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09730 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888A74300EF for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192DC430067 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0228480C1A1 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com (blackhole.u4eatech.com [195.188.241.2]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E784A80C0FA for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CBD360585; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:49:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: FROM mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) BY localhost WITH ESMTP ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:49:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF25936030E; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:49:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.u4eatech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17550-05; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:48:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [172.16.1.15] (unknown [172.16.1.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56303601D9; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:48:58 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A320748-C34E-4F2C-9E03-1AD33D9DF718@u4eatech.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Philip Rakity Subject: Re: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP(MIB comment clarification) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:55:47 -0800 To: "David T. Perkins" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at u4eatech.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: capwap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, When I wrote that note last night, I looked up rts threshold in bob o'hara book "802..11 handbook - 2nd edition" page 246 as I did not have the MIB by the sofa. The wording in Bob's book is not the same as the MIB. I think a reference to the mib variable would be useful. regards, Philip > HI, > > You have a long list of items. I would like to get some > clarification on only a single point. 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2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IRF00EIPF8KJR@szxml02-in.huawei.com>; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:53:09 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:12:46 +0530 From: sujay Subject: RE: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP In-reply-to: To: "'Philip Rakity'" , capwap@frascone.com Message-id: <000001c5ffb8$cfc69310$3904120a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT A few comments see inline Suj> -----Original Message----- From: Philip Rakity [mailto:philip.rakity@u4eatech.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:05 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP I am a newbie to the group and this the first time that I have read the internet draft. I have a number of comments on the draft that are below. Most a minor editorial things but some are areas I do not understand a) Use of "integer" is not consistent in the document --- most of the time it means unsigned, sometimes signed (but marked as signed), but sometimes the phrase "unsigned integer" is used and this then makes me wonder if the fields marked integer are signed or not. b) page 32 -- section 5.1 "Discovery requests MUST be sent by an ... AND when no echo responses are received and the WTP" I think it should say that "Discovery requests MUST be sent by a WTP when the WTP returns to the idle state. This can occur for example when no echo responses are received for NeibhborDeadInteval. " Suj> IMHO in the Idle State No Discovery requests are sent, once entering the Idle state, the SM moves to Discovery state before sending Disc Req messages. The section talks about when as you rightly pointed out no echo responses are Received for NeighborDeadInterval. c) Page 35 -- Radio Type -- no 802.11b (only) -- no 802.11n -- no superG -- no superA d) Page 37 -- Section 5.2.4 WTP manager control IPV4 address -- do not understand the text -- is there only one ip address ? if so -- then the ip address is used to return the interface of the AC. If only one address -- how is load balancing done ? Suj> If the AC has more than one Interfaces open for the WTP to join, it specifies each of these ip address's with Individual TLV's, - right, for single ip interface load balancing cannot be done ,(given only one AC) the AC should return its own interface Ip address. e) Page 41 -- Section 6.1 Join Request -- 3rd paragraph -- Why the 1596 MTU limit -- how was this number chosen ? == (RIF routes if vlan ?) if I use 802.3 then I have seen h/w do 1522 (4 byte vlan tag) -- some number a little bigger than 1522 and h/w do 16K bytes -- (intel ixp 4xx series) --- The 16K number is bigger than the 4k SDU for wireless medium... Would it be better to base the discovery on the MTU of the wireless media and work down ? f) Page 52 -- Section 6.5 and Section 6.6 -- Change item that says see Figure 2 -- to read see section 2.2 g) Page 60 -- REboot Statistics == this requires the WTP maintain state to know if the last Failure Type was LWAPP initiated. Same comment for Crash count. No value defined for state not maintained by WTP. Add cross reference to section where AC tells WTP to reboot. h) Page 65 -- Blacklist Entry's -- This whole area is not good from my point of view. When I configure a firewall I say what is allowed (explicitly) and forbid everything else -- there is no way I can give a list of trusted stations and forbid everything else. This makes live very difficult. There is room for a blacklist -- but an allowed list is also needed. Suj> In my opinion blacklisting is to prevent any .11 mgt frames from passing upto the AC for the current WTP-AC session. - to blacklist one MAC address and allow others is more exact and specific rather than knowing ALL those which are Allowed, either way the one which is allowed will is kept the Radius, you could put your 'allowed' list there ! i) Page 70 -- Image Data -- do not understand how this can work -- only 2 fragments allowed -- no count of what is being sent etc -- no way to detect packet loss --- why not use data xfer mechanism of tftp ? -- the blocks are numbered == etc BUT define a md5 hash of the whole image and give its length in the initial request. Suj> LWAPP has the in-band Image transfer mechanism, some protocols use what you have specified. j) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.1 Decryption Error Report == add note about only useful if split mac. Suj> For both local and split Encrytpion / Decryption is done at the WTP , so we need to send Error reports for both cases. k) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.2 Duplicate IP address == what is a host ? Is this a mobile station ? What about the case of a mobile station having the SAME mac address as a already connected mobile station to the WTP. == only useful if NOT split mac Suj> host here is the WTP itself, MAC address are unique so there should not be a case of a mobile station having the same MAC address as another one. l) General comment -- there is no command to synchronize time (set the clocks) in the WTP to a common time base j) General comment -- why not use the text in the 802.11 MIB definitions and the name of the MIB entry where these are used to configure the WTP k) Page 94 -- Section 11.3.1 -- WLAN's field -- just do NOT understand how setting a bit relates to the WLAN ID's used later in the document -- can you give an example or two ? Only 16 WLAN ID's allowed ??/ l) Page 97 -- WLAN ID -- field is 8 bits -- other places in document 16 bits Suj>It is to be used a 8 bit field only , the 16 bit( status/wlan field in header)is just a place holder For the 8 bit WLAN ID as well as the 16bit Status combination, subject to usage. m) Page 102 -- IEEE 802.11 stats -- Why not pad out Radio ID with 3 bytes of "reserved field" so all other fields are 32 bit aligned or move it to the end of definition (after decryption errors). n) Page 105 -- WLAN ID -- picture is 8 bits -- text is 16 bits Suj> See above Hope it helps, Thanks, Sujay o) Page 109 WLAN Capability -- can you rename this and ALL other fields to use the same terms as the 802.11 base standard or the MIB (very confusing) -- or cross reference p) Page 113 -- Country Code -- reference 802.11d since this is the definition q) Page 113 -- Rate Set -- is length wrong ? should be >= 2 otherwise what is definition for rates NOT used r) Page 115 -- RTS Threshold etc -- use wording from the MIB definitions for all of these entries and reference mib object s) Page 119 -- IEEE Antenna length -- length sound be >= 5 t) Page 120 -- Supported rates -- length >= 2 and <= 9 u) Page 122 - WTP Qos -- length is 2 if untagged or 802.1p -- if dscp it is 2 + (10)*dscp entries v) Security -- any reason ssl could not be used even for level 2 encryption? since the link is PT to PT -- the ip address/header is not need -- then almost same code as layer 3 -- and the package is public domain so easy to hack regards, Philip Philip Rakity prakity@u4eatech.com _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 12:27:48 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmDwJ-0000P1-Sm for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:27:48 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA24828 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B4E4300E4 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E479430064 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CFC80C178 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A9680C176 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.33]) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EmDdb-0003Vv-00 for capwap@frascone.com; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:08:27 -0500 Message-ID: <272759.1134493679894.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:07:59 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: "Scott G. 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------=_NextPart_000_0000_KWUZVICH.UXJVGPBP-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 13 19:33:01 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmKZp-000572-0g for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:33:01 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA25438 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA344300E0 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3021430048 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0A580C193 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com (blackhole.u4eatech.com [195.188.241.2]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A098380C12A for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF0C360662; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:27:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: FROM mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) BY localhost WITH ESMTP ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:27:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1301E360585; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:27:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.u4eatech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25009-12; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:27:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [172.16.1.15] (unknown [172.16.1.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D303A36030E; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:27:27 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <000001c5ffb8$cfc69310$3904120a@china.huawei.com> References: <000001c5ffb8$cfc69310$3904120a@china.huawei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B117D2E-AAF3-4DDA-BDA8-391227FDE98C@u4eatech.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Philip Rakity Subject: Re: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:34:31 -0800 To: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at u4eatech.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 12, 2005, at 11:42 PM, sujay wrote: > b) page 32 -- section 5.1 "Discovery requests MUST be sent by an ... > AND when no echo responses are received and the WTP" I think it > should say that "Discovery requests MUST be sent by a WTP when the > WTP returns to the idle state. This can occur for example when no > echo responses are received for NeibhborDeadInteval. " > > Suj> IMHO in the Idle State No Discovery requests are sent, once > entering > the Idle state, the SM moves to Discovery state before sending Disc > Req > messages. > > The section talks about when as you rightly pointed out no echo > responses are > Received for NeighborDeadInterval. > Thanks -- So does idle state wait the random time interval and then move to discovery or is done in the discovery phase ? If the initial delay is done in the idle phase then the requirement is after no echo packets -- transition to idle phase. > d) Page 37 -- Section 5.2.4 WTP manager control IPV4 address -- do > not > understand the text -- is there only one ip address ? if so -- then > the ip address is used to return the interface of the AC. If only one > address -- how is load balancing done ? > > Suj> If the AC has more than one Interfaces open for the WTP to > join, it > specifies each of these ip address's with > Individual TLV's, > - right, for single ip interface load balancing cannot be done ,(given > only one AC) the AC should return its own interface > Ip address. So the problem is the ip address CAN repeat but this is not reflected in the definition of the length? > > > h) Page 65 -- Blacklist Entry's -- This whole area is not good > from my > point of view. When I configure a firewall I say what is allowed > (explicitly) and forbid everything else -- there is no way I can > give a > list of trusted stations and forbid everything else. This makes live > very difficult. There is room for a blacklist -- but an allowed > list is > also needed. > > > Suj> In my opinion blacklisting is to prevent any .11 mgt frames from > passing upto the AC for the current WTP-AC session. > - to blacklist one MAC address and allow others is more exact and > specific rather than knowing ALL those which are > Allowed, either way the one which is allowed will is kept the Radius, > you could put your 'allowed' list there ! I think there is a use for BOTH cases. in a secure environment I do not want control frames from rogue AP's. > > > i) Page 70 -- Image Data -- do not understand how this can work -- > only > 2 fragments allowed -- no count of what is being sent etc -- no way to > detect packet loss --- why not use data xfer mechanism of tftp ? -- > the blocks are numbered == etc BUT define a md5 hash of the whole > image > and give its length in the initial request. > > Suj> LWAPP has the in-band Image transfer mechanism, some protocols > use > what you have specified. > I do not understand how this can work as defined in the text. I understand I could overlay it but it needs a definition. > > j) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.1 Decryption Error Report == add note > about only useful if split mac. > > Suj> For both local and split Encrytpion / Decryption is done at > the WTP > , so we need to send Error reports > for both cases. agree -- if WTP doing encryption/decryption > > k) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.2 Duplicate IP address == what is a > host ? Is this a mobile station ? What about the case of a mobile > station having the SAME mac address as a already connected mobile > station to the WTP. == only useful if NOT split mac > > Suj> host here is the WTP itself, MAC address are unique so there > should > not be a case of a mobile station having > the same MAC address as another one. > Can we change text to say WTP -- thanks Just like there should not be a duplicate IP address in the network there should not be a duplicate MAC address, but MAC addresses are also soft the linux command ifconfig hwether allows one to change the mac address > l) Page 97 -- WLAN ID -- field is 8 bits -- other places in > document 16 > bits > > Suj>It is to be used a 8 bit field only , the 16 bit( status/wlan > field > in header)is just a place holder > For the 8 bit WLAN ID as well as the 16bit Status combination, subject > to usage. > thanks -- will wait for new document to comment or if you would like to send draft before publication I would be willing to have a read. regards, Philip _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Dec 14 00:57:29 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmPdp-0003k7-5Y for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:57:29 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA00261 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3384300DF for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8AD430048 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9607F80C14F for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in.huawei.com [61.144.161.53]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B6980C185 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRH003J24PKL4@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for capwap@frascone.com; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:00:56 +0800 (CST) Received: from szxml01-in ([172.24.1.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRH00EZ94PJDP@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for capwap@frascone.com; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:00:56 +0800 (CST) Received: from dell60 ([10.18.4.57]) by szxml01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IRH007S44YB4F@szxml01-in.huawei.com>; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:06:13 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:22:20 +0530 From: sujay Subject: RE: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP In-reply-to: <8B117D2E-AAF3-4DDA-BDA8-391227FDE98C@u4eatech.com> To: "'Philip Rakity'" , capwap@frascone.com Message-id: <000301c60072$8d352560$3904120a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Philip, Guess we could wait for the new draft, and thereon work on this thread. Regds, Sujay -----Original Message----- From: Philip Rakity [mailto:philip.rakity@u4eatech.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:05 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: sujay Subject: Re: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP On Dec 12, 2005, at 11:42 PM, sujay wrote: > b) page 32 -- section 5.1 "Discovery requests MUST be sent by an ... > AND when no echo responses are received and the WTP" I think it > should say that "Discovery requests MUST be sent by a WTP when the > WTP returns to the idle state. This can occur for example when no > echo responses are received for NeibhborDeadInteval. " > > Suj> IMHO in the Idle State No Discovery requests are sent, once > entering > the Idle state, the SM moves to Discovery state before sending Disc > Req > messages. > > The section talks about when as you rightly pointed out no echo > responses are Received for NeighborDeadInterval. > Thanks -- So does idle state wait the random time interval and then move to discovery or is done in the discovery phase ? If the initial delay is done in the idle phase then the requirement is after no echo packets -- transition to idle phase. > d) Page 37 -- Section 5.2.4 WTP manager control IPV4 address -- do > not > understand the text -- is there only one ip address ? if so -- then > the ip address is used to return the interface of the AC. If only one > address -- how is load balancing done ? > > Suj> If the AC has more than one Interfaces open for the WTP to > join, it > specifies each of these ip address's with > Individual TLV's, > - right, for single ip interface load balancing cannot be done ,(given > only one AC) the AC should return its own interface Ip address. So the problem is the ip address CAN repeat but this is not reflected in the definition of the length? > > > h) Page 65 -- Blacklist Entry's -- This whole area is not good > from my > point of view. When I configure a firewall I say what is allowed > (explicitly) and forbid everything else -- there is no way I can > give a > list of trusted stations and forbid everything else. This makes live > very difficult. There is room for a blacklist -- but an allowed > list is > also needed. > > > Suj> In my opinion blacklisting is to prevent any .11 mgt frames from > passing upto the AC for the current WTP-AC session. > - to blacklist one MAC address and allow others is more exact and > specific rather than knowing ALL those which are > Allowed, either way the one which is allowed will is kept the Radius, > you could put your 'allowed' list there ! I think there is a use for BOTH cases. in a secure environment I do not want control frames from rogue AP's. > > > i) Page 70 -- Image Data -- do not understand how this can work -- > only > 2 fragments allowed -- no count of what is being sent etc -- no way to > detect packet loss --- why not use data xfer mechanism of tftp ? -- > the blocks are numbered == etc BUT define a md5 hash of the whole > image > and give its length in the initial request. > > Suj> LWAPP has the in-band Image transfer mechanism, some protocols > use > what you have specified. > I do not understand how this can work as defined in the text. I understand I could overlay it but it needs a definition. > > j) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.1 Decryption Error Report == add note > about only useful if split mac. > > Suj> For both local and split Encrytpion / Decryption is done at > the WTP > , so we need to send Error reports > for both cases. agree -- if WTP doing encryption/decryption > > k) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.2 Duplicate IP address == what is a > host ? Is this a mobile station ? What about the case of a mobile > station having the SAME mac address as a already connected mobile > station to the WTP. == only useful if NOT split mac > > Suj> host here is the WTP itself, MAC address are unique so there > should > not be a case of a mobile station having > the same MAC address as another one. > Can we change text to say WTP -- thanks Just like there should not be a duplicate IP address in the network there should not be a duplicate MAC address, but MAC addresses are also soft the linux command ifconfig hwether allows one to change the mac address > l) Page 97 -- WLAN ID -- field is 8 bits -- other places in > document 16 > bits > > Suj>It is to be used a 8 bit field only , the 16 bit( status/wlan > field > in header)is just a place holder > For the 8 bit WLAN ID as well as the 16bit Status combination, subject > to usage. > thanks -- will wait for new document to comment or if you would like to send draft before publication I would be willing to have a read. regards, Philip _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From baldwin@impathnetworks.com Wed Dec 14 03:01:58 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmRaI-0005B0-70; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:01:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15002; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 201008013149.user.veloxzone.com.br ([201.8.13.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmRbL-0002O5-Eo; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:03:09 -0500 Received: (from tomcat@localhost) by 201.8.13.149 (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j3CHmn7V774776 for capwap-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:01:27 -0600 Message-ID: <975n088c.7290920@132.151.6.1> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:01:27 -0600 From: "Shane Davis" X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.414 (Entity 5.575) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: capwap-archive@ietf.org Cc: ccips@ietf.org, cclark@ietf.org, cdi-archive@ietf.org, cdir-admin@ietf.org, cfrg@ietf.org, cfrg-admin@ietf.org, cfrg-archive@ietf.org, cfrg-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: (-2.326) BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 201.8.13.149 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 3.248886, File::Scan 0.10, Archive::Zip 1.78 X-Recipient: Subject: Re-finance before rates skyrocket Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_98519343==.OLA" X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 7da5a831c477fb6ef97f379a05fb683c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_98519343==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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------=_NextPart_000_0000_EQOALJDT.ITPRUJHN-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Dec 14 18:40:53 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmgEl-0007MZ-Ph for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:40:53 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA13780 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5FA4300E6 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:40:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF007430077 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CCE80C1CB for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com (blackhole.u4eatech.com [195.188.241.2]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8678780C1B1 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA5336030E for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:34:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: FROM mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) BY localhost WITH ESMTP ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:34:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE63E360585 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:34:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.u4eatech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21495-16 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:34:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackhole.u4eatech.com (phact.u4eatech.com [172.30.40.160]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B56736030E for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:34:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 71.139.193.81 (SquirrelMail authenticated user philipr) by www.u4eatech.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:39:45 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <51349.71.139.193.81.1134603585.squirrel@www.u4eatech.com> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:39:45 -0000 (GMT) From: Philip.Rakity@u4eatech.com To: capwap@frascone.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at u4eatech.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.178 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=NO_REAL_NAME Subject: [Capwap] Additional Comments on LWAPP X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit General Comment: Radio ID's are limited to be between 0 and 7 inclusive. The definition of Radio ID in the fields should show this limited range -- one byte allocated but only 8 values allowed. Page 35 -- 5.2.1 AC address I do not understand this. It is not useful with a layer 3 transport. If using a layer 2 transport then I would assume the broadcast or multicast from the Discovery Message would have been heard by any other AC's -- so rather than respond -- would it not be best to stay silent? General Comment: Is there a case where one has a simple discovery agent running in dumb hardware -- its only purpose is to redirect the WTP to the real AC? There seems to be hints of this possibility but it is not spelled out. Philip _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Dec 15 02:09:22 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EmnEo-0006Qq-RE for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:09:22 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA24561 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 02:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8644300E8 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043E9430076 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21AA80C422 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.mei.co.jp (smtp.mei.co.jp [133.183.129.25]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA6780C212 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (dodgers.mei.co.jp [157.8.1.150]) by smtp1.mei.co.jp (8.12.10/3.7W/bulls) with ESMTP id jBF78ZuQ006363; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:08:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/somlx3) with ESMTP id jBF78YA11935; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:08:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from pslexc01.psl.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/bluejays) with ESMTP id jBF78XP07934; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:08:33 +0900 (JST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: RE: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:08:23 +0800 Message-ID: <5F09D220B62F79418461A978CA0921BD903AC4@pslexc01.psl.local> Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP Thread-Index: AcX/Y7B3bgU7IpOSRvCH5LO06L+vKAB4j+Kw From: "Saravanan Govindan" To: "Philip Rakity" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.424 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Philip, You have clearly reviewed the draft in detail! I think the points you raise are very important for the protocol.=20 Perhaps some recommendations can be made based on the points raised. I think it would be helpful for the WG to see how the recommendations can fit in to the current LWAPP specifications.=20 On a related note, I think the first WG version of the protocol can also include those issues which were discussed during the last meeting. There seemed to be some agreement in the issues such as information elements field size, firmware operations and local-MAC mode operations.=20 Cheers, Saravanan -----Original Message----- From: Philip Rakity [mailto:philip.rakity@u4eatech.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:35 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP I am a newbie to the group and this the first time that I have read the internet draft. I have a number of comments on the draft that are below. Most a minor editorial things but some are areas I do not understand a) Use of "integer" is not consistent in the document --- most of the time it means unsigned, sometimes signed (but marked as signed), but sometimes the phrase "unsigned integer" is used and this then makes me wonder if the fields marked integer are signed or not. b) page 32 -- section 5.1 "Discovery requests MUST be sent by an ... AND when no echo responses are received and the WTP" I think it should say that "Discovery requests MUST be sent by a WTP when the WTP returns to the idle state. This can occur for example when no echo responses are received for NeibhborDeadInteval. " c) Page 35 -- Radio Type -- no 802.11b (only) -- no 802.11n -- no superG -- no superA d) Page 37 -- Section 5.2.4 WTP manager control IPV4 address -- do not understand the text -- is there only one ip address ? if so -- then the ip address is used to return the interface of the AC. If only one address -- how is load balancing done ? e) Page 41 -- Section 6.1 Join Request -- 3rd paragraph -- Why the 1596 MTU limit -- how was this number chosen ? =3D=3D (RIF routes if vlan ?) if I use 802.3 then I have seen h/w do 1522 (4 byte vlan tag) -- some number a little bigger than 1522 and h/w do 16K bytes -- (intel ixp 4xx series) --- The 16K number is bigger than the 4k SDU for wireless medium... Would it be better to base the discovery on the MTU of the wireless media and work down ? f) Page 52 -- Section 6.5 and Section 6.6 -- Change item that says see Figure 2 -- to read see section 2.2 g) Page 60 -- REboot Statistics =3D=3D this requires the WTP maintain state to know if the last Failure Type was LWAPP initiated. Same comment for Crash count. No value defined for state not maintained by WTP. Add cross reference to section where AC tells WTP to reboot. h) Page 65 -- Blacklist Entry's -- This whole area is not good from my point of view. When I configure a firewall I say what is allowed (explicitly) and forbid everything else -- there is no way I can give a list of trusted stations and forbid everything else. This makes live very difficult. There is room for a blacklist -- but an allowed list is also needed. i) Page 70 -- Image Data -- do not understand how this can work -- only 2 fragments allowed -- no count of what is being sent etc -- no way to detect packet loss --- why not use data xfer mechanism of tftp ? -- the blocks are numbered =3D=3D etc BUT define a md5 hash of the whole image and give its length in the initial request. j) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.1 Decryption Error Report =3D=3D add note about only useful if split mac. k) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.2 Duplicate IP address =3D=3D what is a host ? Is this a mobile station ? What about the case of a mobile station having the SAME mac address as a already connected mobile station to the WTP. =3D=3D only useful if NOT split mac l) General comment -- there is no command to synchronize time (set the clocks) in the WTP to a common time base j) General comment -- why not use the text in the 802.11 MIB definitions and the name of the MIB entry where these are used to configure the WTP k) Page 94 -- Section 11.3.1 -- WLAN's field -- just do NOT understand how setting a bit relates to the WLAN ID's used later in the document -- can you give an example or two ? Only 16 WLAN ID's allowed ??/ l) Page 97 -- WLAN ID -- field is 8 bits -- other places in document 16 bits m) Page 102 -- IEEE 802.11 stats -- Why not pad out Radio ID with 3 bytes of "reserved field" so all other fields are 32 bit aligned or move it to the end of definition (after decryption errors). n) Page 105 -- WLAN ID -- picture is 8 bits -- text is 16 bits o) Page 109 WLAN Capability -- can you rename this and ALL other fields to use the same terms as the 802.11 base standard or the MIB (very confusing) -- or cross reference p) Page 113 -- Country Code -- reference 802.11d since this is the definition q) Page 113 -- Rate Set -- is length wrong ? should be >=3D 2 otherwise what is definition for rates NOT used r) Page 115 -- RTS Threshold etc -- use wording from the MIB definitions for all of these entries and reference mib object s) Page 119 -- IEEE Antenna length -- length sound be >=3D 5 t) Page 120 -- Supported rates -- length >=3D 2 and <=3D 9 u) Page 122 - WTP Qos -- length is 2 if untagged or 802.1p -- if dscp it is 2 + (10)*dscp entries v) Security -- any reason ssl could not be used even for level 2 encryption? since the link is PT to PT -- the ip address/header is not need -- then almost same code as layer 3 -- and the package is public domain so easy to hack regards, Philip Philip Rakity prakity@u4eatech.com _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From jherson@advantagebank.com Thu Dec 15 12:40:22 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Emx5W-0008HX-1C; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:40:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA08815; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Emx6k-0002jq-AM; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:41:35 -0500 Received: from 85-64-173-197.barak-online.net ([85.64.173.197]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Emx4u-0002pz-DF; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:39:41 -0500 Received: (from tomcat@localhost) by 85.64.173.197 (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0CHmn4V066547 for bdhcwg@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:38:46 -0600 Message-ID: <314b210l.6531210@65.246.255.50> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:38:46 -0600 From: "Ulysses Harper" X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.426 (Entity 5.918) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bdhcwg@ietf.org Cc: beauty.and.fit@ietf.org, beerlover@ietf.org, bgmp@ietf.org, bmegaco@ietf.org, bmmusic@ietf.org, bmwg@ietf.org, bmwg-admin@ietf.org, bmwg-archive@ietf.org, bofchairs@ietf.org, bounces-ietf@ietf.org, bpana@ietf.org, brenton.daniels@ietf.org, bridge-mib@ietf.org, bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org, business@ietf.org, calsch@ietf.org, cancer@ietf.org, capwap-archive@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: (-2.670) BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 85.64.173.197 X-Scanned-By: SpamAssassin 3.042907, File::Scan 0.55, Archive::Zip 1.17 X-Recipient: Subject: Re-finance at the lowestt ratess Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------AttPart_39064195==.OLA" X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7da5a831c477fb6ef97f379a05fb683c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AttPart_39064195==.OLA Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C60532.D1F42560-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 20 11:11:59 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eok5l-0006gP-Q2 for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:11:59 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18120 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A2743011A for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8318A4300A9 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775F880C103 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD5E80C1A1 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2005 08:10:27 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,274,1131350400"; d="scan'208"; a="686583884:sNHT36450176" Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBKGAE78002437 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:10:03 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:10:02 -0800 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20121BA4C@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: Recap of eval recommendations Thread-Index: AcYFf9WQL7A/8xLyRh+7DY630RCWoQ== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2005 16:10:03.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[D61C9260:01C6057F] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE Subject: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, As I'm preparing for the next version of the lwapp specification, I'd like to get some closure on the evaluation team's recommendations. Here is a recap from previous e-mail threads. Section 9.1.1 Summary: Change message element's type field from an 8 bit to 16 bit field WG Update: no opposition to the change Pat's Recommendation: Make the change =20 Section 9.1.2 Summary: Change LWAPP control security to DTLS WG Update: much debate on this topic, but Scott Kelly and Eric Escorla are working on a draft Pat's Recommendation: WG debates the contents of the draft and then makes a decision Section 9.1.3.1: Summary: Introduce tunneling in Local MAC mode, meaning the following modes would exist in LWAPP: 1. Split-MAC: Tunnel native MAC frames in UDP (e.g., 802.11) 2. Local-MAC w/ Local Bridge: Do not tunnel 802.3 frames 3. Local-MAC w/ Tunnel: Tunnel 802.3 frames in UDP WG Update: Rough consensus on adding this mode of operation Pat's Recommendation: I'm still not crazy on this change as I see this as adding complexity to the protocol because we are simply adding yet another mode of tunneling, where split MAC already handles data tunneling. However, in the spirit of compromise, I will add text to support this mode of operation as it does appear to reflect rough consensus. Section 9.1.3.2: Summary: Pick one mode of operation and make it the default value WG Update: Little discussion on this topic so far, but some agreement on mode 2 (above) Pat's Recommendation: Postpone this change until after the publication of the first draft. Section 9.2.1:=20 Summary: Move Add Mobile outside of 802.11 binding section WG Update: No discussion Pat's Recommendation: This is a reasonable request since the Delete Mobile is outside of the binding section. I think we should accept this request and would propose having this in the first draft. Section 9.2.2: Summary: Remove layer 2 mode WG Update: Limited discussion (2 people so far) Pat's Recommendation: Push this change until after the publication of the first draft. If there is rough consensus, either remove it entirely, or create a separate document that only=20 defines the layer two encapsulation mode (my preference) Section 9.2.3:=20 Summary: Either use L2TP or GRE for encapsulation WG Update: Although I raised the issue, no discussion on this topic on the list Pat's Recommendation: While I understand the overall recommendation, I believe that there are=20 misunderstandings of what this really means (see=20 =20 http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg01864.html). My recommendation is=20 that do not implement this change. Pat Calhoun CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit Cisco Systems _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 20 11:14:37 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eok8L-0007Iz-Ks for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:14:37 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18408 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F50A4300F0 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495E44300AC for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:14:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD7680C1B3 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:14:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC5B80C1B1 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2005 08:13:06 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBKGCf7M003647 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:12:34 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:12:34 -0800 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20121BA4F@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: Request to the chairs Thread-Index: AcYFgC/C2dr/082kQEmTP6fxpFX5fA== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2005 16:12:34.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FFDE900:01C60580] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE Subject: [Capwap] Request to the chairs X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0888716053==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0888716053== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C60580.2FE8961C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C60580.2FE8961C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dorothy & Mani, =20 I wonder whether you would be willing to setup a change request tracking system such as the one Bernard Aboba has setup for Diameter and EAP? I think it would help the WG in understanding what changes have been requested, help us identify change requests, and understand current progress. =20 Pat Calhoun CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit Cisco Systems =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C60580.2FE8961C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I = wonder whether you=20 would be willing to setup a change request tracking system such as the = one=20 Bernard Aboba has setup for Diameter and EAP? I think it would help the = WG in=20 understanding what changes have been requested, help us identify change=20 requests, and understand current progress.
 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C60580.2FE8961C-- --===============0888716053== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============0888716053==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 20 13:47:22 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EomWA-0002oT-Hn for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:47:22 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA17891 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FA943010D for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823BC4300A9 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B79180C16E for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-ext01.nokia.com (mgw-ext01.nokia.com [131.228.20.93]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9FD80C179 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:46:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext01.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jBKIkhmv018725; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:46:45 +0200 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:46:43 +0200 Received: from mvebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.19.64.23]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:46:41 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7233.31 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:46:40 -0800 Message-ID: <893AE265F4ADF94AB7FB26D31A788E410162478B@mvebe101.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20121BA4C@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations Thread-Index: AcYFf9WQL7A/8xLyRh+7DY630RCWoQAFcC1g From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2005 18:46:41.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7910B80:01C60595] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.178 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=NO_REAL_NAME X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pat- Don't forget that according to the recoommdations and WG agreement the new Working group draft based on LWAPP will be named CAPWAP.=20 Thanks, Dorothy -----Original Message----- From: ext Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:10 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations All, As I'm preparing for the next version of the lwapp specification, I'd like to get some closure on the evaluation team's recommendations. Here is a recap from previous e-mail threads. Section 9.1.1 Summary: Change message element's type field from an 8 bit to 16 bit field WG Update: no opposition to the change Pat's Recommendation: Make the change =20 Section 9.1.2 Summary: Change LWAPP control security to DTLS WG Update: much debate on this topic, but Scott Kelly and Eric Escorla are working on a draft Pat's Recommendation: WG debates the contents of the draft and then makes a decision Section 9.1.3.1: Summary: Introduce tunneling in Local MAC mode, meaning the following modes would exist in LWAPP: 1. Split-MAC: Tunnel native MAC frames in UDP (e.g., 802.11) 2. Local-MAC w/ Local Bridge: Do not tunnel 802.3 frames 3. Local-MAC w/ Tunnel: Tunnel 802.3 frames in UDP WG Update: Rough consensus on adding this mode of operation Pat's Recommendation: I'm still not crazy on this change as I see this as adding complexity to the protocol because we are simply adding yet another mode of tunneling, where split MAC already handles data tunneling. However, in the spirit of compromise, I will add text to support this mode of operation as it does appear to reflect rough consensus. Section 9.1.3.2: Summary: Pick one mode of operation and make it the default value WG Update: Little discussion on this topic so far, but some agreement on mode 2 (above) Pat's Recommendation: Postpone this change until after the publication of the first draft. Section 9.2.1:=20 Summary: Move Add Mobile outside of 802.11 binding section WG Update: No discussion Pat's Recommendation: This is a reasonable request since the Delete Mobile is outside of the binding section. I think we should accept this request and would propose having this in the first draft. Section 9.2.2: Summary: Remove layer 2 mode WG Update: Limited discussion (2 people so far) Pat's Recommendation: Push this change until after the publication of the first draft. If there is rough consensus, either remove it entirely, or create a separate document that only=20 defines the layer two encapsulation mode (my preference) Section 9.2.3:=20 Summary: Either use L2TP or GRE for encapsulation WG Update: Although I raised the issue, no discussion on this topic on the list Pat's Recommendation: While I understand the overall recommendation, I believe that there are=20 misunderstandings of what this really means (see=20 =20 http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg01864.html). My recommendation is=20 that do not implement this change. Pat Calhoun CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit Cisco Systems _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 20 16:24:22 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eooy6-00017O-3g for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:24:22 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA19323 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2671B4300C6 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655E44300AC for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B5080C18B for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D06380C165 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:23:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2005 13:23:44 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBKLNaQO001367; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:23:38 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:23:36 -0800 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20121BC35@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP Thread-Index: AcX/uQMjeW5FK+wFS5G6psa/DQOTtQFxvneg From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Philip Rakity" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2005 21:23:38.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[A471DD70:01C605AB] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > a) Use of "integer" is not consistent in the document --- most of the > time it means unsigned, sometimes signed (but marked as signed), but > sometimes the phrase "unsigned integer" is used and this then makes me > wonder if the fields marked integer are signed or not. Unless anyone objects, I will go ahead and make the changes to ensure we have consistency. >=20 > b) page 32 -- section 5.1 "Discovery requests MUST be sent by an ... > AND when no echo responses are received and the WTP" I think it > should say that "Discovery requests MUST be sent by a WTP when the > WTP returns to the idle state. This can occur for example when no > echo responses are received for NeibhborDeadInteval. " >=20 > Suj> IMHO in the Idle State No Discovery requests are sent, once > entering > the Idle state, the SM moves to Discovery state before=20 > sending Disc Req > messages. >=20 > The section talks about when as you rightly pointed out no echo > responses are > Received for NeighborDeadInterval. Sujay is correct. The text is correct, except that I notice the use of "an WTP", which really should be "a WTP". I will make the gramatical changes to the document. >=20 >=20 > c) Page 35 -- Radio Type -- no 802.11b (only) -- no 802.11n -- no > superG -- no superA I will add 802.11n, because it is a valid IEEE MAC. However, SuperA/SuperG are proprietary mechanisms, and given that each MAC vendor had a separate way of supporting "turbo modes". I would recommend that we not include these modes of operation. I would also like to remove UWB and 802.16 until such time that we actually define a CAPWAP extension for these radios. Further, I believe that 8 bits is too small, so I would propose that this field be changed to 16 bits. >=20 > d) Page 37 -- Section 5.2.4 WTP manager control IPV4 address=20 > -- do not > understand the text -- is there only one ip address ? if so -- then > the ip address is used to return the interface of the AC. If only one > address -- how is load balancing done ? >=20 > Suj> If the AC has more than one Interfaces open for the WTP=20 > to join, it > specifies each of these ip address's with=20 > Individual TLV's,=20 > - right, for single ip interface load balancing cannot be done ,(given > only one AC) the AC should return its own interface > Ip address. Sujay is correct - load balancing can only happen if there are multiple addresses on which load can be balanced. A single IP address does not provide this - only one is possible. That said, I've changed the sentence to be more specific: "In the event that multiple such message elements are returned, the WTP is expected to perform load balancing across the multiple interfaces." >=20 >=20 > e) Page 41 -- Section 6.1 Join Request -- 3rd paragraph -- Why the > 1596 MTU limit -- how was this number chosen ? =3D=3D (RIF routes=20 > if vlan ?) > if I use 802.3 then I have seen h/w do 1522 (4 byte vlan > tag) -- some number a little bigger than 1522 and h/w do 16K bytes -- > (intel ixp 4xx series) --- The 16K number is bigger than the=20 > 4k SDU for > wireless medium... Would it be better to base the discovery=20 > on the MTU > of the wireless media and work down ? Basically took Ethernet MTU, and then added the LWAPP, UDP, IP and Ethernet headers. While we could look at wireless media MTUs, such as 802.11 which is 2K+, but the reality is that stations never transmit greater than Ethernet MTU. That said, if you have a recommendation, I'm all ears ;-) >=20 > f) Page 52 -- Section 6.5 and Section 6.6 -- Change item that says see > Figure 2 -- to read see section 2.2 Done. >=20 > g) Page 60 -- REboot Statistics =3D=3D this requires the WTP maintain > state to know if the last Failure Type was LWAPP initiated. Same > comment for Crash count. No value defined for state not maintained by > WTP. Add cross reference to section where AC tells WTP to reboot. I've added the cross reference, but I don't quite understand your comment about maintaining state, other perhaps you wanted me to specifically state that the WTP needs to maintain this information. Not sure what you mean about state not maintained by WTP either. >=20 > h) Page 65 -- Blacklist Entry's -- This whole area is not=20 > good from my > point of view. When I configure a firewall I say what is allowed > (explicitly) and forbid everything else -- there is no way I=20 > can give a > list of trusted stations and forbid everything else. This makes live > very difficult. There is room for a blacklist -- but an=20 > allowed list is > also needed. >=20 >=20 > Suj> In my opinion blacklisting is to prevent any .11 mgt frames from > passing upto the AC for the current WTP-AC session. > - to blacklist one MAC address and allow others is more exact and > specific rather than knowing ALL those which are > Allowed, either way the one which is allowed will is kept the Radius, > you could put your 'allowed' list there ! Sujay is once more correct. An AC may interface with some backend database, such as RADIUS, to detect whether a MAC address is allowed on the network. However, when a device is considered to malicious (or for some other reason we want to stop it from trying to associate), the blacklist is used. >=20 >=20 > i) Page 70 -- Image Data -- do not understand how this can=20 > work -- only > 2 fragments allowed -- no count of what is being sent etc -- no way to > detect packet loss --- why not use data xfer mechanism of tftp ? -- > the blocks are numbered =3D=3D etc BUT define a md5 hash of the=20 > whole image > and give its length in the initial request. >=20 > Suj> LWAPP has the in-band Image transfer mechanism, some=20 > protocols use > what you have specified. Right. Packet loss is detected via the reliable LWAPP transport. We could use tftp, but then we would have to define how to bootstrap the security, and figure out how to integrate the state machines. This is a fairly simplistic transfering approach. >=20 >=20 > j) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.1 Decryption Error Report =3D=3D add note > about only useful if split mac. >=20 > Suj> For both local and split Encrytpion / Decryption is done=20 > at the WTP > , so we need to send Error reports > for both cases. I have added the following text: "Note that this error reporting mechanism is not=20 used if encryption and decryption services are provided via the AC." >=20 > k) Page 72 -- Section 8.5.2 Duplicate IP address =3D=3D what is a > host ? Is this a mobile station ? What about the case of a mobile > station having the SAME mac address as a already connected mobile > station to the WTP. =3D=3D only useful if NOT split mac >=20 > Suj> host here is the WTP itself, MAC address are unique so=20 > there should > not be a case of a mobile station having=20 > the same MAC address as another one. The case being raised is not the same as a duplicate IP address, and in this case host is any device that is using the same IP address as the WTP - I can't be specific, because I have no idea what it could be. That said, a DUP MAC Address is hard to determine on a wireless network and could be provided via the AC. >=20 >=20 > l) General comment -- there is no command to synchronize =20 > time (set the > clocks) in the WTP to a common time base Good catch - this is missing. >=20 >=20 > j) General comment -- why not use the text in the 802.11 MIB=20 > definitions > and the name of the MIB entry where these are used to=20 > configure the WTP See r) below. >=20 > k) Page 94 -- Section 11.3.1 -- WLAN's field -- just do NOT understand > how setting a bit relates to the WLAN ID's used later in the=20 > document -- > can you give an example or two ? Only 16 WLAN ID's allowed ??/ Well the text specifically states that if the AC wants to send a broadcast or multicast packet, it sets the BSSIDs that it wishes to transmit the packets on. This eliminates the need for the AC to have to replicate the packet n times. In terms of the number of WLAN IDs allowed, 16 is actually a large number because each BSSID has to transmit beacons every beacon interval period (typically 100ms), so that's 16 packets per 100ms of pure overhead. >=20 > l) Page 97 -- WLAN ID -- field is 8 bits -- other places in=20 > document 16 > bits >=20 > Suj>It is to be used a 8 bit field only , the 16 bit(=20 > status/wlan field > in header)is just a place holder > For the 8 bit WLAN ID as well as the 16bit Status combination, subject > to usage. This is not a bitfield, whereas the previous comment had to be a bitfield in order to allow for multiple BSSIDs to be specified. >=20 >=20 > m) Page 102 -- IEEE 802.11 stats -- Why not pad out Radio ID with 3 > bytes of "reserved field" so all other fields are 32 bit=20 > aligned or move > it to the end of definition (after decryption errors). I'm ok with this recommendation and will make the necessary change. >=20 > n) Page 105 -- WLAN ID -- picture is 8 bits -- text is 16 bits >=20 > Suj> See above Actually, this was a bug and I have corrected the text. > o) Page 109 WLAN Capability -- can you rename this and ALL=20 > other fields > to use the same terms as the 802.11 base standard or the MIB (very > confusing) -- or cross reference Please see r) below. >=20 > p) Page 113 -- Country Code -- reference 802.11d since this is the > definition If you insist, but 802.11d will point you to this exact reference and we would therefore end up creating a double reference just for fun :(=20 My personal preference is to keep this. >=20 > q) Page 113 -- Rate Set -- is length wrong ? should be >=3D 2 = otherwise > what is definition for rates NOT used Done >=20 > r) Page 115 -- RTS Threshold etc -- use wording from the MIB=20 > definitions > for all of these entries and reference mib object Well.... I've opened up 8802-11-1999.pdf, and I see that the text for RTS Threshold is nearly a replica of the MIB text, as I recall doing in the first version of this document, except I see that the word Shall is not present. Is this the main concern? (btw, I recall removing Shall because it is not IETF language). I've also looked at the next field, which is Short Retry, and once more it is the same. As far as using the MIB variable names, it would seem odd to me to have dot11RTSThreshold, but if the group wants to have its message elements named after MIB objects, then I'm ok with it.=20 I can add references to the 802.11 document for each such field, if the group feels this is justified. >=20 > s) Page 119 -- IEEE Antenna length -- length sound be >=3D 5 You are correct >=20 > t) Page 120 -- Supported rates -- length >=3D 2 and <=3D 9 Done >=20 > u) Page 122 - WTP Qos -- length is 2 if untagged or 802.1p -- if dscp > it is 2 + (10)*dscp entries >=20 > v) Security -- any reason ssl could not be used even for level 2 > encryption? since the link is PT to PT -- the ip=20 > address/header is not > need -- then almost same code as layer 3 -- and the package is public > domain so easy to hack This is being discussed separately. Pat Calhoun CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit Cisco Systems _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 20 16:31:56 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eop5Q-00060O-J7 for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:31:56 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA22995 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FBD430103 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69AD4300AD for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA15880C104 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD9E80C105 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2005 13:31:20 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id jBKLVHR8023507; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:31:17 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:31:16 -0800 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20121BC43@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations Thread-Index: AcYFf9WQL7A/8xLyRh+7DY630RCWoQAFcC1gAAWlhIA= From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2005 21:31:17.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5EA1AD0:01C605AC] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dorothy, In re-reading the evaluation recommendations document, I see the reference to "a CAPWAP protocol", but nowhere do I see an explicit request (or recommendation) to rename LWAPP to CAPWAP. I view the use of "a CAPWAP protocol" as really no different from the AAA WG refering to "an AAA protocol", while the name of the actual protocol is Diameter. In my time at the IETF, I have found that the WG name and a protocol name, are not necessarily one and the same. The old RADIUS WG is a different beast because the WG was created to document an existing protocol. Further, while I could be wrong, I don't recall having such a discussion within this mailing list. Pat Calhoun CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit Cisco Systems =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:47 AM > To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations >=20 > Pat- >=20 > Don't forget that according to the recoommdations and WG=20 > agreement the new Working group draft based on LWAPP will be=20 > named CAPWAP.=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Dorothy >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:10 AM > To: capwap@frascone.com > Subject: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations >=20 > All, >=20 > As I'm preparing for the next version of the lwapp=20 > specification, I'd like to get some closure on the evaluation=20 > team's recommendations. Here is a recap from previous e-mail threads. >=20 > Section 9.1.1 > Summary: Change message element's type field from an 8 bit=20 > to 16 bit field > WG Update: no opposition to the change > Pat's Recommendation: Make the change > =20 > Section 9.1.2 > Summary: Change LWAPP control security to DTLS > WG Update: much debate on this topic, but Scott Kelly and=20 > Eric Escorla are working on a draft > Pat's Recommendation: WG debates the contents of the draft=20 > and then makes a decision >=20 > Section 9.1.3.1: > Summary: Introduce tunneling in Local MAC mode, meaning=20 > the following modes would exist in LWAPP: > 1. Split-MAC: Tunnel native MAC frames in UDP=20 > (e.g., 802.11) > 2. Local-MAC w/ Local Bridge: Do not tunnel 802.3 frames > 3. Local-MAC w/ Tunnel: Tunnel 802.3 frames in UDP > WG Update: Rough consensus on adding this mode of operation > Pat's Recommendation: I'm still not crazy on this change=20 > as I see this as adding complexity to the > protocol because we are simply=20 > adding yet another mode of tunneling, where split > MAC already handles data tunneling.=20 > However, in the spirit of compromise, I will > add text to support this mode of=20 > operation as it does appear to reflect rough > consensus. > Section 9.1.3.2: > Summary: Pick one mode of operation and make it the default value > WG Update: Little discussion on this topic so far, but=20 > some agreement on mode 2 (above) > Pat's Recommendation: Postpone this change until after the=20 > publication of the first draft. >=20 > Section 9.2.1:=20 > Summary: Move Add Mobile outside of 802.11 binding section > WG Update: No discussion > Pat's Recommendation: This is a reasonable request since=20 > the Delete Mobile is outside of the binding > section. I think we should accept=20 > this request and would propose having this in > the first draft. >=20 > Section 9.2.2: > Summary: Remove layer 2 mode > WG Update: Limited discussion (2 people so far) > Pat's Recommendation: Push this change until after the=20 > publication of the first draft. If there is rough > consensus, either remove it=20 > entirely, or create a separate document that only=20 > defines the layer two encapsulation mode (my > preference) >=20 > Section 9.2.3:=20 > Summary: Either use L2TP or GRE for encapsulation > WG Update: Although I raised the issue, no discussion on=20 > this topic on the list > Pat's Recommendation: While I understand the overall=20 > recommendation, I believe that there are=20 > misunderstandings of what this=20 > really means (see=20 > =20 > http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg01864.html). My=20 > recommendation is=20 > that do not implement this change. >=20 >=20 > Pat Calhoun > CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit > Cisco Systems > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >=20 > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >=20 > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap >=20 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Dec 20 18:27:28 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EoqtE-0001SK-45 for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:27:28 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15795 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7922430119 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.tigertech.net (hermes.tigertech.net [64.71.157.146]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7AB4300A9 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A880980C168 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com (blackhole.u4eatech.com [195.188.241.2]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928C780C188 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6B9360585; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: FROM mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) BY localhost WITH ESMTP ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:20:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F8036067E; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.u4eatech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15721-01; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:20:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [172.16.1.15] (unknown [172.16.1.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE10360585; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:20:32 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20121BC35@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> References: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20121BC35@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2DBC5380-05A4-4B13-A9B5-2C8D23E3AF68@u4eatech.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Philip Rakity Subject: Re: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:26:48 -0800 To: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at u4eatech.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= Cc: capwap@frascone.com X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Pat, Thank you very much. Some additional comments are below. regards, Philip >> >> >> e) Page 41 -- Section 6.1 Join Request -- 3rd paragraph -- Why the >> 1596 MTU limit -- how was this number chosen ? == (RIF routes >> if vlan ?) >> if I use 802.3 then I have seen h/w do 1522 (4 byte vlan >> tag) -- some number a little bigger than 1522 and h/w do 16K bytes -- >> (intel ixp 4xx series) --- The 16K number is bigger than the >> 4k SDU for >> wireless medium... Would it be better to base the discovery >> on the MTU >> of the wireless media and work down ? > > Basically took Ethernet MTU, and then added the LWAPP, UDP, IP and > Ethernet headers. While we could look at wireless media MTUs, such as > 802.11 which is 2K+, but the reality is that stations never transmit > greater than Ethernet MTU. That said, if you have a recommendation, > I'm > all ears ;-) Could you add a note on how the MTU was chosen. I think this will help. Does the MTU include room for a vlan header at level 2 ? > >> >> g) Page 60 -- REboot Statistics == this requires the WTP maintain >> state to know if the last Failure Type was LWAPP initiated. Same >> comment for Crash count. No value defined for state not >> maintained by >> WTP. Add cross reference to section where AC tells WTP to reboot. > > I've added the cross reference, but I don't quite understand your > comment about maintaining state, other perhaps you wanted me to > specifically state that the WTP needs to maintain this information. > Not > sure what you mean about state not maintained by WTP either. > If I have a system that does not count reboots etc then what value is used to indicate it does not keep the statistics ? zero is a bad number -- since maybe the event did not happen. Can we define all 1's to indicate no statistics kept ? >> >> h) Page 65 -- Blacklist Entry's -- This whole area is not >> good from my >> point of view. When I configure a firewall I say what is allowed >> (explicitly) and forbid everything else -- there is no way I >> can give a >> list of trusted stations and forbid everything else. This makes live >> very difficult. There is room for a blacklist -- but an >> allowed list is >> also needed. >> >> >> Suj> In my opinion blacklisting is to prevent any .11 mgt frames from >> passing upto the AC for the current WTP-AC session. >> - to blacklist one MAC address and allow others is more exact and >> specific rather than knowing ALL those which are >> Allowed, either way the one which is allowed will is kept the Radius, >> you could put your 'allowed' list there ! > > Sujay is once more correct. An AC may interface with some backend > database, such as RADIUS, to detect whether a MAC address is > allowed on > the network. However, when a device is considered to malicious (or for > some other reason we want to stop it from trying to associate), the > blacklist is used. > He is correct that this is how I could stop rogue's but suppose I do not WANT to have this problem of rogue detection. If I can define what is allowed then there are NO rouges and nothing to manage. It is another way to solve the problem. I am in FAVOR of the blacklist -- just want something for more secure enviroments. >> >> >> i) Page 70 -- Image Data -- do not understand how this can >> work -- only >> 2 fragments allowed -- no count of what is being sent etc -- no >> way to >> detect packet loss --- why not use data xfer mechanism of tftp ? -- >> the blocks are numbered == etc BUT define a md5 hash of the >> whole image >> and give its length in the initial request. >> >> Suj> LWAPP has the in-band Image transfer mechanism, some >> protocols use >> what you have specified. > > Right. Packet loss is detected via the reliable LWAPP transport. We > could use tftp, but then we would have to define how to bootstrap the > security, and figure out how to integrate the state machines. This > is a > fairly simplistic transfering approach. What mechanism is used to load image data ? I do not understand how the API is used to load an image of a few megs ? > >> >> k) Page 94 -- Section 11.3.1 -- WLAN's field -- just do NOT >> understand >> how setting a bit relates to the WLAN ID's used later in the >> document -- >> can you give an example or two ? Only 16 WLAN ID's allowed ??/ > > Well the text specifically states that if the AC wants to send a > broadcast or multicast packet, it sets the BSSIDs that it wishes to > transmit the packets on. This eliminates the need for the AC to > have to > replicate the packet n times. In terms of the number of WLAN IDs > allowed, 16 is actually a large number because each BSSID has to > transmit beacons every beacon interval period (typically 100ms), so > that's 16 packets per 100ms of pure overhead. > Can you give an example showing how this is used for say 3 different WLAN ID's. I am confused. Can we put the example as an appendix ? > >> >> p) Page 113 -- Country Code -- reference 802.11d since this is the >> definition > > If you insist, but 802.11d will point you to this exact reference > and we > would therefore end up creating a double reference just for fun :( > > My personal preference is to keep this. The words are fine --- just wanted a note adding "802.11d" so I knew where this defintion came from. > > Done > >> >> r) Page 115 -- RTS Threshold etc -- use wording from the MIB >> definitions >> for all of these entries and reference mib object > > Well.... I've opened up 8802-11-1999.pdf, and I see that the text for > RTS Threshold is nearly a replica of the MIB text, as I recall > doing in > the first version of this document, except I see that the word > Shall is > not present. Is this the main concern? (btw, I recall removing Shall > because it is not IETF language). I've also looked at the next field, > which is Short Retry, and once more it is the same. > > As far as using the MIB variable names, it would seem odd to me to > have > dot11RTSThreshold, but if the group wants to have its message elements > named after MIB objects, then I'm ok with it. > > I can add references to the 802.11 document for each such field, if > the > group feels this is justified. My rationale is that having 1st read the spec I did not understand that the items defined were already defined in a MIB. I thought they were defined in a different manner than the 802.11 spec. BUT I had to go searching to see that this was not true. So, what is being set and returned are the MIB objects and a note saying that would make life easier for the next person. 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boundary="===============0920926923==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com --===============0920926923== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4081_3658069.1135175739368" ------=_Part_4081_3658069.1135175739368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pat, all, I support Dorothy G's request, to re-name the protocol from LWAPP to CAPWAP (or another name) as the first draft of the protocol produced by the CAPWAP Working Group. The name "LWAPP" is also associated with specific product(s) and vendor(s).The protocol developed by the CAPWAP WG will be distinct from the "traditional" usage of "LWAPP". For clarity, the protocol developed by the CAPWAP WG should have a distinc= t name. Actually, the name need not be "CAPWAP", it could be "CAPP" - Control of APs Protocol= , or another distinct name that the group decides on. Dorothy Stanley On 12/20/05, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > > Dorothy, > > In re-reading the evaluation recommendations document, I see the > reference to "a CAPWAP protocol", but nowhere do I see an explicit > request (or recommendation) to rename LWAPP to CAPWAP. I view the use of > "a CAPWAP protocol" as really no different from the AAA WG refering to > "an AAA protocol", while the name of the actual protocol is Diameter. > > In my time at the IETF, I have found that the WG name and a protocol > name, are not necessarily one and the same. The old RADIUS WG is a > different beast because the WG was created to document an existing > protocol. > > Further, while I could be wrong, I don't recall having such a discussion > within this mailing list. > > Pat Calhoun > CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit > Cisco Systems > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:47 AM > > To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com > > Subject: RE: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations > > > > Pat- > > > > Don't forget that according to the recoommdations and WG > > agreement the new Working group draft based on LWAPP will be > > named CAPWAP. > > > > Thanks, > > Dorothy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ext Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:10 AM > > To: capwap@frascone.com > > Subject: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations > > > > All, > > > > As I'm preparing for the next version of the lwapp > > specification, I'd like to get some closure on the evaluation > > team's recommendations. Here is a recap from previous e-mail threads. > > > > Section 9.1.1 > > Summary: Change message element's type field from an 8 bit > > to 16 bit field > > WG Update: no opposition to the change > > Pat's Recommendation: Make the change > > > > Section 9.1.2 > > Summary: Change LWAPP control security to DTLS > > WG Update: much debate on this topic, but Scott Kelly and > > Eric Escorla are working on a draft > > Pat's Recommendation: WG debates the contents of the draft > > and then makes a decision > > > > Section 9.1.3.1: > > Summary: Introduce tunneling in Local MAC mode, meaning > > the following modes would exist in LWAPP: > > 1. Split-MAC: Tunnel native MAC frames in UDP > > (e.g., 802.11) > > 2. Local-MAC w/ Local Bridge: Do not tunnel 802.3 frames > > 3. Local-MAC w/ Tunnel: Tunnel 802.3 frames in UDP > > WG Update: Rough consensus on adding this mode of operation > > Pat's Recommendation: I'm still not crazy on this change > > as I see this as adding complexity to the > > protocol because we are simply > > adding yet another mode of tunneling, where split > > MAC already handles data tunneling. > > However, in the spirit of compromise, I will > > add text to support this mode of > > operation as it does appear to reflect rough > > consensus. > > Section 9.1.3.2: > > Summary: Pick one mode of operation and make it the default value > > WG Update: Little discussion on this topic so far, but > > some agreement on mode 2 (above) > > Pat's Recommendation: Postpone this change until after the > > publication of the first draft. > > > > Section 9.2.1: > > Summary: Move Add Mobile outside of 802.11 binding section > > WG Update: No discussion > > Pat's Recommendation: This is a reasonable request since > > the Delete Mobile is outside of the binding > > section. I think we should accept > > this request and would propose having this in > > the first draft. > > > > Section 9.2.2: > > Summary: Remove layer 2 mode > > WG Update: Limited discussion (2 people so far) > > Pat's Recommendation: Push this change until after the > > publication of the first draft. If there is rough > > consensus, either remove it > > entirely, or create a separate document that only > > defines the layer two encapsulation mode (my > > preference) > > > > Section 9.2.3: > > Summary: Either use L2TP or GRE for encapsulation > > WG Update: Although I raised the issue, no discussion on > > this topic on the list > > Pat's Recommendation: While I understand the overall > > recommendation, I believe that there are > > misunderstandings of what this > > really means (see > > > > http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg01864.html). My > > recommendation is > > that do not implement this change. > > > > > > Pat Calhoun > > CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit > > Cisco Systems > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > ------=_Part_4081_3658069.1135175739368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pat, all,

I support Dorothy G's request, to re-name the protocol from LWAPP to CAPWAP= (or another name) as
the first draft of the protocol produced by the CAPWAP Working Group.

The name "LWAPP" is also associated with specific product(s) and = vendor(s).The
protocol developed by the CAPWAP WG will be distinct from the "traditi= onal" usage of "LWAPP".

For clarity, the protocol developed by the CAPWAP  WG should have a di= stinct name. Actually,
the name need not be "CAPWAP", it could be "CAPP" - Con= trol of APs Protocol, or another distinct
name that the group decides on.

Dorothy Stanley

On 12/20/05, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) <p= calhoun@cisco.com> wrote:
Dorothy,

In re-reading the evaluation recommendations document, I se= e the
reference to "a CAPWAP protocol", but nowhere do I see a= n explicit
request (or recommendation) to rename LWAPP to CAPWAP. I view= the use of
"a CAPWAP protocol" as really no different from the AAA WG re= fering to
"an AAA protocol", while the name of the actual prot= ocol is Diameter.

In my time at the IETF, I have found that the WG n= ame and a protocol
name, are not necessarily one and the same. The old RADIUS WG is a
d= ifferent beast because the WG was created to document an existing
protoc= ol.

Further, while I could be wrong, I don't recall having such a di= scussion
within this mailing list.

Pat Calhoun
CTO, Wireless Networkin= g Business Unit
Cisco Systems



> -----Original Message-= ----
> From: Dorothy.Gel= lert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@n= okia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:47 AM
> To:= Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@fras= cone.com
> Subject: RE: [Capwap] Recap of eval recommendations
>> Pat-
>
> Don't forget that according to the recoommdation= s and WG
> agreement the new Working group draft based on LWAPP will = be
> named CAPWAP.
>
> Thanks,
> Dorothy
>
&= gt;
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Pat Calhoun (pacal= hou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com ]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:10 AM
> To: capwap@frascone.com
> Subject: [Capwap= ] Recap of eval recommendations
>
> All,
>
> As I'm= preparing for the next version of the lwapp
> specification, I'd like to get some closure on the evaluation
&= gt; team's recommendations. Here is a recap from previous e-mail threads.>
> Section 9.1.1
>    Summary: Change= message element's type field from an 8 bit
> to 16 bit field
>    WG Update: no oppos= ition to the change
>    Pat's Recommendation: Ma= ke the change
>
> Section 9.1.2
>    = Summary: Change LWAPP control security to DTLS
>   &nb= sp;WG Update: much debate on this topic, but Scott Kelly and
> Eric Escorla are working on a draft
>    = ;Pat's Recommendation: WG debates the contents of the draft
> and the= n makes a decision
>
> Section 9.1.3= .1:
>    Summary: Introduce tunneling in Loca= l MAC mode, meaning
> the following modes would exist in LWAPP:
>   = ;          1. Split-MAC: Tunne= l native MAC frames in UDP
> (e.g., 802.11)
>   =           2. Local-MAC w/ Local Bridge: Do not tunnel 802.3 frames
>  = ;           3. Local-MAC = w/ Tunnel: Tunnel 802.3 frames in UDP
>    WG Upd= ate: Rough consensus on adding this mode of operation
>  &n= bsp; Pat's Recommendation: I'm still not crazy on this change
> as I see this as adding complexity to the
>   = ;            &n= bsp;          protocol because we are simply
> adding yet another mode of tunneling, where s= plit
>          &nb= sp;            =    MAC already handles data tunneling.
> However, in the spirit of compromis= e, I will
>         &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   add text to support this mode of
> operation as it does appear to reflect= rough
>          &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   consensus.
> Section 9= .1.3.2:
>    Summary: Pick one mode of operat= ion and make it the default value
>    WG Update: Little discussion on this topic = so far, but
> some agreement on mode 2 (above)
>  &nb= sp; Pat's Recommendation: Postpone this change until after the
>= publication of the first draft.
>
> Section 9.2.1:
>    Summary: Move Ad= d Mobile outside of 802.11 binding section
>    W= G Update: No discussion
>    Pat's Recommendation= : This is a reasonable request since
> the Delete Mobile is outside o= f the binding
>           &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  section. I think we should accept
> this request and would propose having this= in
>          &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;  the first draft.
>
> Section 9.2.2:
>    = Summary: Remove layer 2 mode
>    WG Update: Limi= ted discussion (2 people so far)
>    Pat's Recom= mendation: Push this change until after the
> publication of the firs= t draft. If there is rough
>           &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;  consensus, either remove it
> entirely, or create a separate document that only<= br>>           &n= bsp;            = ;  defines the layer two encapsulation mode (my
> preference)
>
> Se= ction 9.2.3:
>    Summary: Either use L2TP or GRE= for encapsulation
>    WG Update: Although I rai= sed the issue, no discussion on
> this topic on the list
>    Pat's Recommenda= tion: While I understand the overall
> recommendation, I believe that= there are
>         &nb= sp;            =     misunderstandings of what this
> really means (see
>
> http://lists.frascone.com= /pipermail/capwap/msg01864.html). My
> recommendation is
>&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;that do not implement this change.
>
>
> Pat Calhoun
> C= TO, Wireless Networking Business Unit
> Cisco Systems
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<snip>

On 12/20/05, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) <pcalhoun@cisco.com> wrote:
All,

Section 9.1.2
   Summary: Change LWAPP control sec= urity to DTLS
   WG Update: much debate on this topic, but Sco= tt Kelly and Eric
Escorla are working on a draft
   Pat's R= ecommendation: WG debates the contents of the draft and then
makes a decision

To date:
- The evaluation team recommended using DTLS, for valid, solid reasons
- Scott and Eric have produced a draft, see http:// capwap.org/DraftsForEvaluation/draft-kelly-capwap-lwapp-dtls-01.txt

I support the evaluation team's recommendation to change the control
security to DTLS, and would like to see this change made in the first draft= of the
protocol produced by the CAPWAP WG.

Thanks,

Dorothy Stanley
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This is probably a good idea, both to signify the shift of document change control to the WG, and to minimize potential confusion in the market between the "CAPWAP WG's protocol" and LWAPP as it exists today, and will be maintained for some time presumably, in fielded products. 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AcYHe2JXbjfQ/iSmSNGzkQlPLn0lqg== From: "Saravanan Govindan" To: , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.425 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, FORGED_RCVD_HELO, HTML_MESSAGE Subject: [Capwap] Local MAC Tunneling Mode X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1593382812==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1593382812== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6077B.5EC9EB87" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6077B.5EC9EB87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pat,=20 =20 Thank you for summarizing the major recommendations.=20 The following is some proposed additions relating to the local MAC tunneling mode recommendation. In essence, it adds identifiers for the WTP variations and their modes of operation. I look forward to the WG's review on this. =20 =20 Section: 5.1 Discover Request=20 Type of change: Additional text after 1st paragraph, ("The Discovery Request is used by the WTP...") Proposal:=20 "The Discovery Request provides ACs with primary functionalities of the WTP. A WTP must exchange this information to ensure subsequent exchanges with the ACs are consistent with the WTP's functional characteristics." ------------------ =20 Section: 5 LWAPP Discovery Operations=20 Type of change: Additional message elements Proposal-1: "5.1.3 WTP MAC-Type The WTP MAC-Type message element distinguishes between local-MAC and split-MAC WTPs. It is used by the AC to determine subsequent exchanges with the WTP. Type:=20 Length: 1 MAC-Type: An 8-bits value indicating the type of MAC used by the WTP.=20 =20 The following values are supported: 0 - Split-MAC 1 - Local-MAC" =20 Proposal-2: "5.1.4 WTP Frame Type The WTP Frame Type message element is used to determine the nature of frames to be exchanged between the AC and WTP. Type:=20 Length: 1 Frame Type: An 8-bits value indicating the type of frames to be exchanged between the AC and WTP.=20 =20 The following values are supported: 0 - Native frames=20 1 - Tunneled frames (IEEE 802.3) 2 - No frames (local bridge at WTP)" --------------------- =20 Section: 7.1 Configuration Consistency=20 Type of change: Addition of sub-section to Section 7.1=20 Proposal:=20 "7.1.1 Configuration Flexibility "The protocol also provides the flexibility to configure and manage WTPs of varying design and functional characteristics. When a WTP first discovers an AC, it provides primary functional information relating to its type of MAC and to the nature of frames to be exchanged. The AC configures the WTP appropriately. The AC also establishes corresponding internal operations to deal with the WTP according to its functionalities." ---------------------- =20 It may be useful to use a figure to show how the modes are selected and what happens afterwards. I can help prepare one if there is agreement to do so. Saravanan=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6077B.5EC9EB87 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Pat, =

 

Thank you for = summarizing the major recommendations.

The following is some proposed additions relating to the local MAC = tunneling mode recommendation. In essence, it adds identifiers for the WTP = variations and their modes of operation. I look forward to the WG’s review on = this.

 

 

Section: 5.1 =      Discover Request

Type of = change: Additional text after 1st paragraph, ("The Discovery Request is = used by the WTP...")

Proposal: =

       &nbs= p;            = ;    "The Discovery Request provides ACs with primary functionalities of the WTP. = A WTP must exchange this information to ensure subsequent exchanges with the = ACs are consistent with the WTP's functional = characteristics.”

       &nbs= p;    ------------------

 

       &nbs= p;    Section: 5         LWAPP Discovery Operations =

Type of = change: Additional message elements

Proposal-1:

       &nbs= p;    “5.1.3             &= nbsp; WTP MAC-Type

The WTP MAC-Type message element distinguishes between local-MAC and = split-MAC WTPs. It is used by the AC to determine subsequent exchanges with the = WTP.

Type:

Length: 1

MAC-Type: An 8-bits value indicating the type of MAC used by the WTP. =

 

The following values are supported:

0 – Split-MAC

1 – Local-MAC”

 

       &nbs= p;    Proposal-2:

       &nbs= p;            = ;    “5.1.4             &= nbsp; WTP Frame Type

The WTP Frame Type message element is used to determine the nature of frames = to be exchanged between the AC and WTP.

Type:

Length: 1

Frame Type: An 8-bits value indicating the type of frames to be exchanged = between the AC and WTP.

 

The following values are supported:

0 – Native frames

1 – Tunneled frames (IEEE 802.3)

2 – No frames (local bridge at = WTP)”

       &nbs= p;    ---------------------

 

       &nbs= p;    Section: 7.1 =             &= nbsp;    Configuration Consistency

Type of = change: Addition of sub-section to Section 7.1

Proposal: =

       &nbs= p;    “7.1.1             &= nbsp; Configuration Flexibility

"The = protocol also provides the flexibility to configure and manage WTPs of varying design and = functional characteristics. When a WTP first discovers an AC, it provides primary functional information relating to its type of MAC and to the nature of = frames to be exchanged. The AC configures the WTP appropriately. The AC also establishes corresponding internal operations to deal with the WTP = according to its functionalities."

       &nbs= p;    ----------------------

 

It may be = useful to use a figure to show how the modes are selected and what happens afterwards. I = can help prepare one if there is agreement to do = so.


Saravanan

 

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Subject: RE: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:41:29 -0800 Message-ID: <17B8C6DE4E228348B4939BDA6B05A9DCF5F665@xmb-sjc-237.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP Thread-Index: AcYFvOpcFRkrpJ6AQcanSctpIbd1NQDDInHw From: "Bob O'Hara (boohara)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2005 20:41:31.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C2D9360:01C608CA] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.374 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is not a good idea to include specific references to an amendment to 802.11, such as 802.11a/b/d/e/g/h/i/j. The designations are ephemeral and disappear when the base 802.11 standard is next "revised" by the IEEE. =20 IEEE procedure requires that when the number of amendments exceed a threshold that they be merged with the base standard. This is a "revision" in IEEE terminology. 802.11 is long overdue for such a merger. =20 Such a revision is in process right now. With high probability before the end of 2006, all current amendment designations will be obsolete and superseded by a new IEEE Standard 802.11-2006 that incorporates those amendments. We should determine some alternative wording, perhaps including reference to a specific clause in 802.11, to replace references to amendments. -Bob =20 -----Original Message----- From: Philip Rakity [mailto:philip.rakity@u4eatech.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:27 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Cc: capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP [much snipped] > >> >> p) Page 113 -- Country Code -- reference 802.11d since this is the >> definition > > If you insist, but 802.11d will point you to this exact reference =20 > and we > would therefore end up creating a double reference just for fun :( > > My personal preference is to keep this. The words are fine --- just wanted a note adding "802.11d" so I knew where this defintion =20 came from. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C60AB0.1AA7BC40-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Dec 28 06:25:03 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ErZQU-00034X-FS for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:25:03 -0500 Received: from leela.tigertech.net (leela.tigertech.net [64.71.157.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA25144 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E89F4300DC for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from zoidberg.tigertech.net (zoidberg.tigertech.net [64.71.157.135]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4178430048 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8A73980A3 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.it.teithe.gr (alpha.it.teithe.gr [195.251.240.232]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB4739809C for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.251.123.108] ([195.251.123.108]) by alpha.it.teithe.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBSBOOcf025327 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:24:26 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <43B27610.7030004@it.teithe.gr> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:25:04 +0200 From: Periklis Chatzimisios User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: capwap@frascone.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.505 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE Subject: [Capwap] CFP: Workshop on multiMedia Applications over Wireless Networks (MediaWiN 2006) X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1830649631==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1830649631== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070601010608010208070704" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070601010608010208070704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message) C A L L F O R P A P E R S ============================= 1st Workshop on multiMedia Applications over Wireless Networks (MediaWiN 2006) April 2, 2006 Athens, Greece In conjunction with 12th European Wireless Conference (EW 2006) (http://www.telecom.ece.ntua.gr/EW2006) Scope The purpose of the MediaWiN 2006 Workshop is to provide a forum for presenting and discussing recent advances in multimedia systems, services and applications over wireless networks. In particular, the Workshop will bring together leading researchers, industry professionals and academics from companies, governmental agencies, and universities around the world to exchange information and new findings as well as to study the special problems and challenges of the multimedia mobile and wireless environments. Topics of Interest The workshop will only accept for review original papers that have not been previously published and are not currently under review by another conference or journal. Topics of particular interest include, but are not limited to the following: Quality and Reliability of Wireless Multimedia * Providing QoS over wireless networks (Scheduling, Call admission Control and Rate control,packetization schemes, prioritization schemes) * Cross-Layer techniques for multimedia communications over wireless networks * Provisioning, monitoring, and management of IP services for WPANs/WLANs * Traffic charging and accounting of integrated systems and services * Multimedia support over multi-hop wireless networks (mesh, ad-hoc, sensor networks) Performance Modeling and Analysis of High-speed Wireless PANs and LANs * Performance evaluation of multimedia services via analysis, simulation and experiments (voice, video, interactive gaming) * Design, implementation and testbed/experimental results for wireless multimedia systems * Energy efficiency in wireless multimedia protocols Emerging Standards and Technologies for Wireless Multimedia Communications * Performance of VoIP, VoD services and related protocols (IPv4, IPv6, H.323, SIP,RTP,RTCP) * Standardization activities in emerging standards: IEEE 802.11, 802.15, 802.16 * New network architectures and management solutions for WLANs (IEEE 802.11v,CAPWAP) * Emerging and visionary multimedia applications for wireless mobile networks * Authentication and security issues in wireless multimedia systems Important dates Submission of research papers: February 5, 2006 Notification of paper acceptance: February 25, 2006 Submission of camera-ready papers: March 6, 2006 Workshop date: April 2, 2006 Submission Guidelines We encourage submission of high-quality technical papers reporting original work and previously unpublished research in the above theoretical and experimental research areas. Submitted papers must be submitted to any of the Chairs as a .PDF file and must not exceed 7 A4 pages, double columned, single-spaced format, using 12-point font size. All submissions must also contain full contact information of the authors along with an abstract no more than 150 words describing the presented research content. Organizing Committee Workshop Co-Chairs Periklis Chatzimisios, TEI of Thessaloniki, Greece Vasileios Vitsas, TEI of Thessaloniki, Greece Program Co-Chairs Ilenia Tinnirello, University of Palermo, Italy Andrea Zanella, University of Padova, Italy Technical Program Committee Dimitrios Amanatiadis (TEI of Thessaloniki, Greece) Leonardo Badia (University of Ferrara, Italy) Frank Ball (Bournemouth University, UK) Giuseppe Bianchi (University of Rome Tor Vergata, Italy) Anthony Boucouvalas (Bournemouth University, UK) David Everitt (University of Sydney, Australia) Fary Z. Ghassemlooy (Northumbria University, UK) Fabrizio Granelli (University of Trento, Italy) Ibrahim Habib (City University of New York, USA) Pi Huang (Bournemouth University, UK) Christos Ilioudis (TEI of Larissa, Greece) Alexandros Kaloxylos (University of Peloponnese, Greece) Michael Logothetis (University of Patras, Greece) Vasileios Lourdas (TEI of Thessaloniki, Greece) Stefan Mangold (Swisscom Innovations, Switzerland) Ioannis Mavridis (University of Macedonia, Greece) Georgios Papadimitriou (Aristotle University, Greece) Kostas Pentikousis (VTT Tech. Research Centre, Finland) Luca Scalia (University of Palermo, Italy) Antonio Servetti (Politecnico di Torino, Italy) Yang Xiao (University of Memphis, USA) Michele Zorzi (University of Padova, Italy) -- Dr. Periklis Chatzimisios Researcher in Wireless Communications & Multimedia Networks Department of Informatics, TEI of Thessaloniki, GR-574 00 Thessaloniki, Greece E-mail: pchatzimisios@ieee.org URL: http://decweb.bournemouth.ac.uk/staff/pchatzimisios Tel: +30 2310-791604 Fax: +30 2310-791290 --------------070601010608010208070704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id GAA25144
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Scope
The purpose of the MediaWiN 2006 Workshop is to provide a forum for presenting and
discussing recent advances in multimedia systems, services and applications over wireless
networks. In particular, the Workshop will bring together leading researchers, industry
professionals and academics from companies, governmental agencies, and universities
around the world to exchange information and new findings as well as to study the special
problems and challenges of the multimedia mobile and wireless environments.


Topics of Interest
The workshop will only accept for review original papers that have not been
previously published and are not currently under review by another conference or journal.
Topics of particular interest include, but are not limited to the following:

Quality and Reliability of Wireless Multimedia
  • Providing QoS over wireless networks (Scheduling, Call admission Control and Rate control,packetization schemes, prioritization schemes)
  • Cross-Layer techniques for multimedia communications over wireless networks
  • Provisioning, monitoring, and management of IP services for WPANs/WLANs
  • Traffic charging and accounting of integrated systems and services
  • Multimedia support over multi-hop wireless networks (mesh, ad-hoc, sensor networks)

Performance Modeling and Analysis of High-speed Wireless PANs and LANs
  • Performance evaluation of multimedia services via analysis, simulation and experiments (voice, video, interactive gaming)
  • Design, implementation and testbed/experimental results for wireless multimedia systems
  • Energy efficiency in wireless multimedia protocols

Emerging Standards and Technologies for Wireless Multimedia Communications
  • Performance of VoIP, VoD services and related protocols (IPv4, IPv6, H.323, SIP,RTP,RTCP)
  • Standardization activities in emerging standards: IEEE 802.11, 802.15, 802.16
  • New network architectures and management solutions for WLANs (IEEE 802.11v,CAPWAP)
  • Emerging and visionary multimedia applications for wireless mobile networks
  • Authentication and security issues in wireless multimedia systems


Important dates
Submission of research papers:=A0=A0=A0=A0 February 5, 2006
Notification of paper acceptance:=A0 February 25, 2006
Submission of camera-ready papers: March 6, 2006
Workshop date:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= April 2, 2006


Submission Guidelines
We encourage submission of high-quality technical papers reporting original work and
previously unpublished research in the above theoretical and experimental research areas.
Submitted papers must be submitted to any of the Chairs as a .PDF file and must not
exceed 7 A4 pages, double columned, single-spaced format, using 12-point font size. All
submissions must also contain full contact information of the authors along with an
abstract no more than 150 words describing the presented research content.



Organizing Committee

Workshop Co-Chairs

Periklis Chatzimisios, TEI of Thessaloniki, Greece
Vasileios Vitsas, TEI of Thessaloniki, Greece


Program Co-Chairs

Ilenia Tinnirello, University of Palermo, Italy
Andrea Zanella, University of Padova, Italy


Technical Program Committee

Dimitrios Amanatiadis (TEI of Thessaloniki, Greece)
Leonardo Badia (University of Ferrara, Italy)
Frank Ball (Bournemouth University, UK)
Giuseppe Bianchi (University of Rome Tor Vergata, Italy)
Anthony Boucouvalas (Bournemouth University, UK)
David Everitt (University of Sydney, Australia)
Fary Z. Ghassemlooy (Northumbria University, UK)
Fabrizio Granelli (University of Trento, Italy)
Ibrahim Habib (City University of New York, USA)
Pi Huang (Bournemouth University, UK)
Christos Ilioudis (TEI of Larissa, Greece)
Alexandros Kaloxylos (University of Peloponnese, Greece)
Michael Logothetis (University of Patras, Greece)
Vasileios Lourdas (TEI of Thessaloniki, Greece)
Stefan Mangold (Swisscom Innovations, Switzerland)
Ioannis Mavridis (University of Macedonia, Greece)
Georgios Papadimitriou (Aristotle University, Greece)
Kostas Pentikousis (VTT Tech. Research Centre, Finland)
Luca Scalia (University of Palermo, Italy)
Antonio Servetti (Politecnico di Torino, Italy)
Yang Xiao (University of Memphis, USA)
Michele Zorzi (University of Padova, Italy)



--
Dr. Periklis Chatzimisios
Researcher in Wireless Communications & Multimedia Networks
Department of Informatics,
TEI of Thessaloniki, GR-574 00
Thessaloniki, Greece

E-mail: pchatzimisios@ieee.org
URL: http://decw= eb.bournemouth.ac.uk/staff/pchatzimisios
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Message-ID: <175y353x.7279557@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:58:28 -0600 From: "Bettie Dillon" User-Agent: Omni Way Webmail X-Register: 135083 X-User: boyd MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bridge-mib@ietf.org Cc: bridge-mib-admin@ietf.org, business@ietf.org, calsch@ietf.org, cancer@ietf.org, capwap-archive@ietf.org, ccips@ietf.org, cclark@ietf.org, cdi-archive@ietf.org, cdir-admin@ietf.org, cfrg@ietf.org, cfrg-admin@ietf.org, cfrg-archive@ietf.org, cfrg-bounces@ietf.org, cfrg-web-archive@ietf.org, chair@ietf.org Subject: Last chance for lower rates Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------JavaMail.994221831255" X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 995b2e24d23b953c94bac5288c432399 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------JavaMail.994221831255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C60D48.F6CAA580-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sat Dec 31 00:04:06 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EsYuR-0001RF-2N for capwap-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:04:06 -0500 Received: from he83-x.tigertech.net (he83-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.83]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA29719 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from leela.tigertech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A584300E9 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from he84-x.tigertech.net (he84-x.tigertech.net [64.62.142.84]) by leela.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCEE430077 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA38680C169 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com (blackhole.u4eatech.com [195.188.241.2]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51CD80C148 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7546136067E for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:54:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: FROM mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) BY localhost WITH ESMTP ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:54:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A25360682 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:54:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.u4eatech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.u4eatech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22296-03 for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:54:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackhole.u4eatech.com (phact.u4eatech.com [172.30.40.160]) by mail.u4eatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDDD36067E for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 04:54:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 222.92.90.190 (SquirrelMail authenticated user philipr) by www.u4eatech.com with HTTP; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:03:26 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <45802.222.92.90.190.1136005406.squirrel@www.u4eatech.com> In-Reply-To: <17B8C6DE4E228348B4939BDA6B05A9DCF5F665@xmb-sjc-237.amer.cisco.com> References: <17B8C6DE4E228348B4939BDA6B05A9DCF5F665@xmb-sjc-237.amer.cisco.com> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:03:26 -0000 (GMT) From: Philip.Rakity@u4eatech.com To: capwap@frascone.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at u4eatech.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.178 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=NO_REAL_NAME Subject: [Capwap] Comments on Draft 3 -- LWAPP X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was re-reading the specification on the airplane and found the following items that may need addressing. I do not have access to my previous e-mail so I may have duplicate comments from before. regards, Philip Page 15 Join to Join Confirm WTP -- the Join Response must include a valid <== valid is mis-spelled Page 16: Image Data to Image Data WTP: Response that indicates that the AC has more data to send I did not see in the definition of the Image Data how the WTP knows there is more data to come from the AC. Page 18: 4th item -- This is the AC's normal state of operation, ... delete the phrasethat says [, and there are many events that cause this to occur.] Page 26 last paragraph In the event the WTP and AC are separated by a NAT, delete the remark in between the comma's with the WTP using private IP address space, It is always the responsibility of NAT to manage the connection Page 27: LWAPP Packet Definitions is the 802.11 FCS included in the LWAPP packets or not. If so, how does one know that this is occuring. Page 59: 7.2.6 WTP Static IP Address Information add note to say that IP Address/ Netmask/ Gateway are only valid if static is 1 == or rearrange structure so that static is first element and other elements follow if static is 1. Page 90: 2nd sentence should read: The probe request is then sent Page 95: WLAN ID bit mask -- define which bit maps to which BSSID in reading the ieee spec the bits start of the left but I think here bit 0 is on the right. Page 97: Supported Rates I think this IE is between 1 and 8 octets -- if the length of the IE is not passed than the VLAN Name's starting position cannot be known. Page 99: VLAN Name -- do not understand "with local MAC WTPs" Page 101: VLAN Identifier: PRC == What is a PRC ? 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