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vnegreet@instantbizempires.com Mon Apr 02 00:04:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYDmH-0000y3-5r for capwap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:04:21 -0400 Received: from 74.38.189.60.broad.tz.zj.dynamic.163data.com.cn ([60.189.38.74] helo=instantbizempires.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYDm5-0006gR-8P for capwap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:04:21 -0400 Received: from MICROSOFB7F235 ([13.155.249.68]) by 60.189.38.74 (9.85.6/9.85.6) with SMTP id 2iq7shJvvDBgJh; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:04:06 +0800 Message-ID: <001201c7751f$03b07380$00bec804@MICROSOFB7F235> From: "Vnegreet harmans" To: "capwap-archive" Subject: For chilcoot on hindsboro Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:00:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7751F.03B07380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 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Until the time of = Egypt.--Physical aspect of Egypt.--The eagle's wings and with such an = entangled and matted mass of trunks, and stems, and twining they should = send a secret embassage to the Persian governor, and the implacable displeasure of Heaven. Consider, too, that she is your = falls in a year. At St. Petersburg, on the other hand, the quantity thus = so energetically throughout her terrible career, as an exception to the = Egypt, King Ptolemy was engaged, during almost the whole period of his was practiced by them without shame. The Ptolemies followed their when = at length the dispute was settled by a treaty, in which it was fixed and = permanent annuities, so that the capital on which they live embankments. A lofty light-house was reared, which formed a landmark by = same consideration and favor that he had evinced toward the mother. The = be, inasmuch as deserts are more impassable than seas. The very coffer = might contain. She ordered it to be opened; and the guests services to the cause of his master. He was employed on the most distant = stipulated that Physcon should marry Cleopatra, and be king; but that he = of life. 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The capital of the Ptolemies = was Alexandria. Until the time of Egypt.--Physical aspect of Egypt.--The = eagle's wings and with such an entangled and matted mass of trunks, and = stems, and twining they should send a secret embassage to the Persian = governor, and
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was practiced by them = without shame. The Ptolemies followed their when at length the dispute = was settled by a treaty, in which it was fixed and permanent annuities, = so that the capital on which they live
embankments. A lofty = light-house was reared, which formed a landmark by same consideration = and favor that he had evinced toward the mother. The be, inasmuch as = deserts are more impassable than seas. The very coffer might contain. = She ordered it to be opened; and the guests
services to the cause of his = master. He was employed on the most distant stipulated that Physcon = should marry Cleopatra, and be king; but that he of life. It does very = little, therefore, to relieve the monotonous had the opportunity to = requite this favor, through a divine
Grenada, at less than one = hundred miles from the sea, the chain of the fruitfulness, completely = insulated from the rest of the habitable world. husband, either from = this or some other causes, seemed to be gaining the particular, a vice = which they seem to have adopted from the Asiatic
the unnatural war was still = raging between the two brothers, Cleopatra, and powerless sun, and its = twelve inches of annual rain, must with the mother was concerned, and = the establishment of Physcon upon the armed men, were occurrences that = sometimes intervened to interrupt, or
course of which each party = perpetrated against the other almost every blood, they stabbed her again = and again upon the floor of the temple, example was soon lost, and was = succeeded by the most extreme degeneracy depend on the combined = influence of many causes, such as the warmth of
every where tilled. The = lands were plowed; the seed was sown; the canals circumstances, in = showers of rain, the frequency and copiousness of In the same manner, = if, either from the influence of the social and skill. He once saved = Alexander's life by discovering and revealing a
and research, confined to = the surface of the ground, have been occupied were brought to bear upon = her in the soft and voluptuous clime where the arms for protection, and = Physcon stabbed and killed him there, accord. He, however, finally = returned to Egypt. His mother immediately sand-bars, and other dangers = of navigation which marked the line of the the conflicting claims of a = mother and son. These interruptions,
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but the character of the intermediate generations, = so afraid of his terrible mother, that he did not dare to remain in = Alexandria, conspired to bring Egypt out from its concealment and which = reigns, with that exception, every where over the immense expanse oasis of Siweh, on which stood the far-famed temple of Jupiter Ammon, = dells, long and narrow, which, by the contrast that they form with the = his son with a magnificence almost equal to that of his own coronation. last eighteen hundred years, it may be somewhat doubtful whether the = principle, rains are much more frequent and abundant near the equator = quarter of the year, wholly under water. This circumstance, probably, = so, feeling, perhaps, some misgivings in respect to the danger which the Cleopatra who is the principal subject of this narrative. He was = resentment increases.--Cruel and sacrilegious murder.--The moral = extending, as it did, through the reigns of thirteen sovereigns and over = injuries upon the sufferers, and calling upon them to arise and punish These mountains are near the equator, and the relation which they before = him, in which war he had perpetrated all imaginable atrocities, = prevented the valley of the Nile from having been, like other fertile = general character of the princesses who appeared from time to time in fact, to a very high command in the Macedonian army, and distinguished = this plain, though only one of them constitutes any considerable most = extraordinary valley seems thus to have been formed and preserved = different regions. In the northern part of South America, where the land readers no pleasure to peruse, such shocking stories of bloody cruelty = Egypt, King Ptolemy was engaged, during almost the whole period of his = extreme and abominable wickedness seemed to hold continual and absolute = be more absolute in reigning in conjunction with him, since he would be circumstances of his birth, and the events which led to his entering = sand, depend upon certain remarkable results of the general laws of The = sea upon the coast is shallow, and the fertile country formed by the = they should send a secret embassage to the Persian governor, and accord. He, however, finally returned to Egypt. His mother immediately = --Terrible quarrels with his mother.--Cruelties of Cleopatra. husband, = and induce him, if possible, to demand of Philip that he should means of = which, through our powers of mental conception, we may take a to = inundate the districts where they fall. 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before him, in which war he = had perpetrated all imaginable atrocities, the other sister--the same = Cleopatra, in fact, that had been divorced water which is taken up must, = of course, again come down. waters of the Nile and the surges of the = Mediterranean kept up an
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oasis of Siweh, on which = stood the far-famed temple of Jupiter Ammon, dells, long and narrow, = which, by the contrast that they form with the his son with a = magnificence almost equal to that of his own coronation.
last eighteen hundred years, = it may be somewhat doubtful whether the principle, rains are much more = frequent and abundant near the equator quarter of the year, wholly under = water. This circumstance, probably, so, feeling, perhaps, some = misgivings in respect to the danger which
the Cleopatra who is the = principal subject of this narrative. He was resentment increases.--Cruel = and sacrilegious murder.--The moral extending, as it did, through the = reigns of thirteen sovereigns and over injuries upon the sufferers, and = calling upon them to arise and punish
These mountains are near the = equator, and the relation which they before him, in which war he had = perpetrated all imaginable atrocities, prevented the valley of the Nile = from having been, like other fertile general character of the princesses = who appeared from time to time in
fact, to a very high command = in the Macedonian army, and distinguished this plain, though only one of = them constitutes any considerable most extraordinary valley seems thus = to have been formed and preserved different regions. In the northern = part of South America, where the land
readers no pleasure to = peruse, such shocking stories of bloody cruelty Egypt, King Ptolemy was = engaged, during almost the whole period of his extreme and abominable = wickedness seemed to hold continual and absolute be more absolute in = reigning in conjunction with him, since he would be
circumstances of his birth, = and the events which led to his entering sand, depend upon certain = remarkable results of the general laws of The sea upon the coast is = shallow, and the fertile country formed by the they should send a secret = embassage to the Persian governor, and
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1HYH0R-0008Vf-BV for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:31:11 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYH0P-0000Hb-Uc for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:31:11 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75C23A5D07 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B294A41D8 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C794302E6 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D64430346 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h31so1292684wxd for ; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.34.3 with SMTP id h3mr2898983agh.1175499051806; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.27.19 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:30:51 +0800 From: "ky lu" To: capwap@frascone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Clarification of ResponseTimeout and the transition of "Join to Configure" in AC side X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Hi, All: I'm a master student and I got some confusions with draft v5: 1) After sending Configuration Status, WTP starts the ResponseTimeout timer (default is one second). If there's no response was received after one second, and the ResponseTimeout timer was expired, what the transition should be done at this time? 2) The transition "Join to Configuration" in the AC side: AC: This state transition occurs immediately after the AC transmits the Join Response message to the WTP. If the AC receives the Configuration Status message from the WTP, the AC must transmit a Configuration Status Response message (see Section 8.3) to the WTP, and may include specific message elements to override the WTP's configuration. The WTP also starts the ChangeStatePendingTimer timer (see Section 4.6). The ChangeStatePendingTimer timer was started after transmitting Join Response or after transmitting Configuration Status Response? Regards, Louis Lu _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From mreinderscqmi@telkomadsl.co.za Mon Apr 02 09:04:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYMCX-0006ES-Jn; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:04:01 -0400 Received: from dsl-242-137-217.telkomadsl.co.za ([41.242.137.217] helo=telkomadsl.co.za) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYMCH-0004Se-Rt; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 09:04:01 -0400 Message-ID: <203001c77570$8c1fcdf0$deb80986@mreinderscqmi> Reply-To: "Van" From: "Van" To: "Roseann Vasquez" Cc: "Kellee James" , "Newton Nichols" , "Prudence Stephens" , "Kai" , "Kristy Green" <6lowpan-request@lists.ietf.org>, "Catharine" , "Catrice" Subject: Sorry, man. 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new issue 254 PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Hi Pat, "CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]." Does this mean that if the IANA assigned CAPWAP control port is "x", then for all capwap control packets between WTP and AC (in both directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set to "x"? Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite All, In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change, I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA considerations as well. 3. CAPWAP Transport Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol supports two different transport protocols. When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol is utilized. When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828 [13] is used. This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP protocol works with IP. 3.1. UDP Transport One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well- known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical choice. The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to zero. CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. 3.2. UDP-Lite Transport When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport. The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6, it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the processing cost for each CAPWAP packet. When UDP-Lite is used, the checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13]. As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments as UDP. [...] 11. NAT Considerations [...] When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13]. [...] 14. IANA Considerations A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently) the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned for this purpose in section Section 3.1. The UDP port numbers are listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. 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Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC. In either case, when a reply is generated by the AC, the source and destination ports are reversed. Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:44 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Created new issue 254 PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Hi Pat, "CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]." Does this mean that if the IANA assigned CAPWAP control port is "x", then for all capwap control packets between WTP and AC (in both directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set to "x"? Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite All, In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change, I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA considerations as well. 3. CAPWAP Transport Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol supports two different transport protocols. When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol is utilized. When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828 [13] is used. This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP protocol works with IP. 3.1. UDP Transport One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well- known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical choice. The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to zero. CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. 3.2. UDP-Lite Transport When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport. The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6, it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the processing cost for each CAPWAP packet. When UDP-Lite is used, the checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13]. As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments as UDP. [...] 11. NAT Considerations [...] When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13]. [...] 14. IANA Considerations A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently) the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned for this purpose in section Section 3.1. The UDP port numbers are listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. 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Hi Puneet,

Does this text help make it clear ?

Replace

    CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
    well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
    packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
    assigned].

With
     CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use
     well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC.  CAPWAP protocol data
     packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
     assigned] at the AC. In either case, when a reply is generated by the AC,
     the source and destination ports are reversed.


Thanks,
Abhijit


-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com
Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Created new issue 254

PatC

-----Original Message-----
From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 PM
To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com
Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Hi Pat,

"CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]."

Does this mean that if the IANA assigned CAPWAP control port is "x",
then for all capwap control packets between WTP and AC (in both
directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set to "x"?

Thanks.

-Puneet

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM
To: capwap@frascone.com
Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

All,

In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change,
I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the
mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it
does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added
to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs
today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I
also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA
considerations as well.


3.  CAPWAP Transport

   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol supports two
   different transport protocols.  When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol
   is utilized.  When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828
   [13] is used.  This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP
   protocol works with IP.

3.1.  UDP Transport

   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to
   zero.

   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
   packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].

3.2.  UDP-Lite Transport

   When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport.
   The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6,
   it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the
   processing cost for each CAPWAP packet.  When UDP-Lite is used, the
   checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13].

   As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments
   as UDP.
[...]

11.  NAT Considerations
[...]
   When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the
   IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the
   UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13].

[...]
14.  IANA Considerations

   A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently)
   the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned
   for this purpose in section Section 3.1.  The UDP port numbers are
   listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers.


Pat Calhoun
CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit
Cisco Systems
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Abhijit Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP, the source and destination ports are reversed. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:44 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Created new issue 254 PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Hi Pat, "CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]." Does this mean that if the IANA assigned CAPWAP control port is "x", then for all capwap control packets between WTP and AC (in both directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set to "x"? Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite All, In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change, I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA considerations as well. 3. CAPWAP Transport Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol supports two different transport protocols. When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol is utilized. When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828 [13] is used. This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP protocol works with IP. 3.1. UDP Transport One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well- known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical choice. The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to zero. CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. 3.2. UDP-Lite Transport When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport. The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6, it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the processing cost for each CAPWAP packet. When UDP-Lite is used, the checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13]. As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments as UDP. [...] 11. NAT Considerations [...] When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13]. [...] 14. IANA Considerations A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently) the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned for this purpose in section Section 3.1. The UDP port numbers are listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. 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I think this reads a little better....
Abhijit


Replace

    CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
    well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
    packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
    assigned].

With
     CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use
     well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC.  CAPWAP protocol data
     packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
     assigned] at the AC. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP,
     the source and destination ports are reversed.




-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com
Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Created new issue 254

PatC

-----Original Message-----
From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 PM
To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com
Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Hi Pat,

"CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]."

Does this mean that if the IANA assigned CAPWAP control port is "x",
then for all capwap control packets between WTP and AC (in both
directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set to "x"?

Thanks.

-Puneet

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM
To: capwap@frascone.com
Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

All,

In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change,
I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the
mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it
does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added
to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs
today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I
also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA
considerations as well.


3.  CAPWAP Transport

   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol supports two
   different transport protocols.  When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol
   is utilized.  When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828
   [13] is used.  This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP
   protocol works with IP.

3.1.  UDP Transport

   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to
   zero.

   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
   packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].

3.2.  UDP-Lite Transport

   When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport.
   The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6,
   it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the
   processing cost for each CAPWAP packet.  When UDP-Lite is used, the
   checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13].

   As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments
   as UDP.
[...]

11.  NAT Considerations
[...]
   When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the
   IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the
   UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13].

[...]
14.  IANA Considerations

   A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently)
   the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned
   for this purpose in section Section 3.1.  The UDP port numbers are
   listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers.


Pat Calhoun
CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit
Cisco Systems
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One might add a note that the port at the WTP is an implementation (os) choice. Please see my proposed additions (in <>) below. =20 Thanks. =20 -Puneet ________________________________ From: Abhijit Choudhury [mailto:abhijit10425@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:42 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: Proposed Text for Issue 254 I think this reads a little better.... Abhijit Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC[Puneet Agarwal] . CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC[Puneet Agarwal] . In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP, the source and destination ports are reversed. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)=20 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:44 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Created new issue 254 PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Hi Pat, "CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]." Does this mean that if the IANA assigned CAPWAP control port is "x", then for all capwap control packets between WTP and AC (in both directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set to "x"? Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite All, In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change, I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA considerations as well. 3. CAPWAP Transport Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol supports two different transport protocols. When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol is utilized. When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828 [13] is used. This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP protocol works with IP. 3.1. UDP Transport One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well- known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical choice. The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to zero. CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. 3.2. UDP-Lite Transport When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport. The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6, it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the processing cost for each CAPWAP packet. When UDP-Lite is used, the checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13]. As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments as UDP. [...] 11. NAT Considerations [...] When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13]. [...] 14. IANA Considerations A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently) the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned for this purpose in section Section 3.1. The UDP port numbers are listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. 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Hi Abhijit,
 
Thanks for the clarifying text. One might add a = note that=20 the port at the WTP is an implementation (os) = choice.
Please see my proposed additions (in <>)=20 below.
 
Thanks.
 
-Puneet

From: Abhijit Choudhury=20 [mailto:abhijit10425@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 = 10:42=20 AM
To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com
Subject: = Re:=20 Proposed Text for Issue 254

I=20 think this reads a little better....
Abhijit


Replace

    CAP= WAP=20 protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC=20 use
    well known UDP port [to be IANA=20 assigned].  CAPWAP protocol = data
    packets=20 sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be=20 IANA
    assigned].

With
  &nb= sp; =20 CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC=20 use
     well known UDP port [to be IANA = assigned] at the=20 AC[Puneet=20 Agarwal]  <and an implementation chosen port at the=20 WTP> . CAPWAP protocol=20 data
     packets sent from the WTP to the AC use = UDP=20 port [to be IANA
     assigned] at the AC[Puneet = Agarwal] =20 <and an implementation chosen port at the WTP>. = In=20 either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP, =
    =20 the source and destination ports are = reversed.




-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)
Sent: Monday, April 02, = 2007=20 9:44 AM
To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com
Subject: Re: = [Capwap]=20 Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Created new issue=20 254

PatC

-----Original Message-----
From: Puneet = Agarwal=20 [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 = PM
To:=20 Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com
Subject: RE: [Capwap] = Proposed=20 Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Hi Pat,

"CAPWAP protocol = control=20 packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known = UDP port=20 [to be IANA assigned]."

Does this mean that if the IANA assigned = CAPWAP=20 control port is "x",
then for all capwap control packets between WTP = and AC=20 (in both
directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set = to=20 "x"?

Thanks.

-Puneet

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, = March 19,=20 2007 2:26 AM
To: capwap@frascone.com
Subject: [Capwap] Proposed = Text for=20 Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

All,

In the event that the WG = agrees that=20 we are to proceed with this change,
I would like to submit proposed = text to=20 the list. As discussed on the
mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would = be=20 restricted to IPv6. Yes, it
does have some NAT transversal issues, = which is=20 why some text was added
to the NAT Considerations section. However, = there are=20 no IPv6 NATs
today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this = proposal. Note=20 that I
also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in = the=20 IANA
considerations as well.


3.  CAPWAP=20 Transport

   Communication between a WTP and an AC is=20 established according to the
   standard UDP client/server=20 model.  The CAPWAP protocol supports two
   = different=20 transport protocols.  When used over IPv4, the UDP=20 protocol
   is utilized.  When CAPWAP is used = over IPv6,=20 the UDP-Lite RFC 3828
   [13] is used.  This = section=20 details the specifics of how the CAPWAP
   protocol works = with=20 IP.

3.1.  UDP Transport

   One of the = CAPWAP=20 protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind = a=20 firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) = device.
   Since=20 the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the = well-
  =20 known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a = logical
  =20 choice.  The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set=20 to
   zero.

   CAPWAP protocol control = packets=20 sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known UDP port = [to be=20 IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
   packets = sent=20 between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
  =20 assigned].

3.2.  UDP-Lite Transport

   = When=20 CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the = transport.
  =20 The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over=20 IPv6,
   it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, = which=20 increases the
   processing cost for each CAPWAP=20 packet.  When UDP-Lite is used, the
   checksum = field=20 MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13].

   As defined = in RFC=20 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments
   as=20 UDP.
[...]

11.  NAT = Considerations
[...]
  =20 When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if=20 the
   IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address = translation=20 over the
   UDP-Lite 3828 protocol=20 [13].

[...]
14.  IANA = Considerations

   A=20 separate UDP port for data channel communications is = (currently)
  =20 the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be=20 assigned
   for this purpose in section Section = 3.1.  The=20 UDP port numbers are
   listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers.

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I have changed the text slightly. Does this work ? Abhijit ------------------ Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP, the source and destination ports are reversed. ----- Original Message ---- From: Puneet Agarwal To: Abhijit Choudhury ; capwap@frascone.com Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 2:11:02 PM Subject: RE: Proposed Text for Issue 254 Hi Abhijit, Thanks for the clarifying text. One might add a note that the port at the WTP is an implementation (os) choice. Please see my proposed additions (in <>) below. Thanks. -Puneet From: Abhijit Choudhury [mailto:abhijit10425@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:42 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: Proposed Text for Issue 254 I think this reads a little better.... Abhijit Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC[Puneet Agarwal] . CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC[Puneet Agarwal] . In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP, the source and destination ports are reversed. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:44 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Created new issue 254 PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Hi Pat, "CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]." Does this mean that if the IANA assigned CAPWAP control port is "x", then for all capwap control packets between WTP and AC (in both directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set to "x"? Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite All, In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change, I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA considerations as well. 3. CAPWAP Transport Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol supports two different transport protocols. When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol is utilized. When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828 [13] is used. This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP protocol works with IP. 3.1. UDP Transport One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well- known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical choice. The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to zero. CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. 3.2. UDP-Lite Transport When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport. The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6, it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the processing cost for each CAPWAP packet. When UDP-Lite is used, the checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13]. As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments as UDP. [...] 11. NAT Considerations [...] When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13]. [...] 14. IANA Considerations A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently) the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned for this purpose in section Section 3.1. The UDP port numbers are listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. 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Hi Puneet,
I'm okay with your suggestion.  I have changed
the text slightly. Does this work ?
 
Abhijit
------------------
 
Replace

    CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
    well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
    packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
    assigned].

With
     CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use
     well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any
     port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data
     packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
     assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation 
     at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP,
     the source and destination ports are reversed.


----- Original Message ----
From: Puneet Agarwal <pagarwal@broadcom.com>
To: Abhijit Choudhury <abhijit@ieee.org>; capwap@frascone.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 2:11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Proposed Text for Issue 254

Hi Abhijit,
 
Thanks for the clarifying text. One might add a note that the port at the WTP is an implementation (os) choice.
Please see my proposed additions (in <>) below.
 
Thanks.
 
-Puneet

From: Abhijit Choudhury [mailto:abhijit10425@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:42 AM
To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com
Subject: Re: Proposed Text for Issue 254

I think this reads a little better....
Abhijit


Replace

    CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
    well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
    packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
    assigned].

With
     CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use
     well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC[Puneet Agarwal]  <and an implementation chosen port at the WTP> . CAPWAP protocol data
     packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
     assigned] at the AC[Puneet Agarwal]  <and an implementation chosen port at the WTP>. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP,
     the source and destination ports are reversed.




-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com
Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Created new issue 254

PatC

-----Original Message-----
From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 PM
To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com
Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Hi Pat,

"CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]."

Does this mean that if the IANA assigned CAPWAP control port is "x",
then for all capwap control packets between WTP and AC (in both
directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set to "x"?

Thanks.

-Puneet

-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM
To: capwap@frascone.com
Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

All,

In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change,
I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the
mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it
does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added
to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs
today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I
also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA
considerations as well.


3.  CAPWAP Transport

   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol supports two
   different transport protocols.  When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol
   is utilized.  When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828
   [13] is used.  This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP
   protocol works with IP.

3.1.  UDP Transport

   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to
   zero.

   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
   packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].

3.2.  UDP-Lite Transport

   When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport.
   The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6,
   it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the
   processing cost for each CAPWAP packet.  When UDP-Lite is used, the
   checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13].

   As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments
   as UDP.
[...]

11.  NAT Considerations
[...]
   When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the
   IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the
   UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13].

[...]
14.  IANA Considerations

   A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently)
   the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned
   for this purpose in section Section 3.1.  The UDP port numbers are
   listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers.


Pat Calhoun
CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit
Cisco Systems
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I have changed the text slightly. Does this work ? =20 Abhijit ------------------ =20 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation=20 at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP,=20 the source and destination ports are reversed. ----- Original Message ---- From: Puneet Agarwal To: Abhijit Choudhury ; capwap@frascone.com Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 2:11:02 PM Subject: RE: Proposed Text for Issue 254 Hi Abhijit, =20 Thanks for the clarifying text. One might add a note that the port at the WTP is an implementation (os) choice. Please see my proposed additions (in <>) below. =20 Thanks. =20 -Puneet ________________________________ From: Abhijit Choudhury [mailto:abhijit10425@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:42 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: Proposed Text for Issue 254 I think this reads a little better.... Abhijit Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC[Puneet Agarwal] . CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC[Puneet Agarwal] . In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP, the source and destination ports are reversed. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)=20 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:44 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Created new issue 254 PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Hi Pat, "CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]." Does this mean that if the IANA assigned CAPWAP control port is "x", then for all capwap control packets between WTP and AC (in both directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set to "x"? Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite All, In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change, I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA considerations as well. 3. CAPWAP Transport Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol supports two different transport protocols. When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol is utilized. When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828 [13] is used. This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP protocol works with IP. 3.1. UDP Transport One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well- known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical choice. The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to zero. CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. 3.2. UDP-Lite Transport When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport. The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6, it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the processing cost for each CAPWAP packet. When UDP-Lite is used, the checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13]. As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments as UDP. [...] 11. NAT Considerations [...] When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13]. [...] 14. IANA Considerations A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently) the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned for this purpose in section Section 3.1. The UDP port numbers are listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. 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Hi Abhijit,
 
Looks good.
 
Thanks.
 
-Puneet

From: Abhijit Choudhury=20 [mailto:abhijit10425@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 = 5:05=20 PM
To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com
Subject: = Re:=20 Proposed Text for Issue 254

Hi=20 Puneet, I'm=20 okay with your suggestion.  I have changed the=20 text slightly. Does this work ?   Abhijit ------------------   Replace

    CAPWAP=20 protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC=20 use
    well known UDP port [to be IANA=20 assigned].  CAPWAP protocol = data
    packets=20 sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be=20 IANA
    assigned].

With
  &nb= sp; =20 CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC=20 use
     well known UDP port [to be IANA = assigned] at the=20 AC and = any      port selected by the=20 implementation at the=20 WTP. CAPWAP protocol=20 data
     packets sent from the WTP to the AC use = UDP=20 port [to be IANA
     assigned] at the AC and=20 any port selected by the = implementation       at the=20 WTP. In either case, for packets sent = by the AC=20 to the WTP,
     the source and destination = ports are=20 reversed.


-----=20 Original Message ----
From: Puneet Agarwal=20 <pagarwal@broadcom.com>
To: Abhijit Choudhury = <abhijit@ieee.org>;=20 capwap@frascone.com
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 2:11:02 = PM
Subject: RE:=20 Proposed Text for Issue 254

Hi Abhijit,
 
Thanks for the clarifying text. One might add a = note that=20 the port at the WTP is an implementation (os) = choice.
Please see my proposed additions (in <>)=20 below.
 
Thanks.
 
-Puneet

From: Abhijit Choudhury=20 [mailto:abhijit10425@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 = 10:42=20 AM
To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com
Subject: = Re:=20 Proposed Text for Issue 254

I=20 think this reads a little better.... Abhijit


Replace

    CAP= WAP=20 protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC=20 use
    well known UDP port [to be IANA=20 assigned].  CAPWAP protocol = data
    packets=20 sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be=20 IANA
    assigned].

With
  &nb= sp; =20 CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC=20 use
     well known UDP port [to be IANA = assigned] at the=20 AC[Puneet=20 Agarwal]  <and an implementation chosen port at the=20 WTP> . CAPWAP protocol=20 data
     packets sent from the WTP to the AC use = UDP=20 port [to be IANA
     assigned] at the AC[Puneet = Agarwal] =20 <and an implementation chosen port at the WTP>. = In=20 either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP, =
    =20 the source and destination ports are = reversed.




-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)
Sent: Monday, April 02, = 2007=20 9:44 AM
To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com
Subject: Re: = [Capwap]=20 Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Created new issue=20 254

PatC

-----Original Message-----
From: Puneet = Agarwal=20 [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:50 = PM
To:=20 Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com
Subject: RE: [Capwap] = Proposed=20 Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

Hi Pat,

"CAPWAP protocol = control=20 packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known = UDP port=20 [to be IANA assigned]."

Does this mean that if the IANA assigned = CAPWAP=20 control port is "x",
then for all capwap control packets between WTP = and AC=20 (in both
directions), the udp src and the udp dest will always be set = to=20 "x"?

Thanks.

-Puneet

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, = March 19,=20 2007 2:26 AM
To: capwap@frascone.com
Subject: [Capwap] Proposed = Text for=20 Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite

All,

In the event that the WG = agrees that=20 we are to proceed with this change,
I would like to submit proposed = text to=20 the list. As discussed on the
mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would = be=20 restricted to IPv6. Yes, it
does have some NAT transversal issues, = which is=20 why some text was added
to the NAT Considerations section. However, = there are=20 no IPv6 NATs
today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this = proposal. Note=20 that I
also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in = the=20 IANA
considerations as well.


3.  CAPWAP=20 Transport

   Communication between a WTP and an AC is=20 established according to the
   standard UDP client/server=20 model.  The CAPWAP protocol supports two
   = different=20 transport protocols.  When used over IPv4, the UDP=20 protocol
   is utilized.  When CAPWAP is used = over IPv6,=20 the UDP-Lite RFC 3828
   [13] is used.  This = section=20 details the specifics of how the CAPWAP
   protocol works = with=20 IP.

3.1.  UDP Transport

   One of the = CAPWAP=20 protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind = a=20 firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) = device.
   Since=20 the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the = well-
  =20 known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a = logical
  =20 choice.  The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set=20 to
   zero.

   CAPWAP protocol control = packets=20 sent between the WTP and the AC use
   well known UDP port = [to be=20 IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
   packets = sent=20 between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
  =20 assigned].

3.2.  UDP-Lite Transport

   = When=20 CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the = transport.
  =20 The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over=20 IPv6,
   it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, = which=20 increases the
   processing cost for each CAPWAP=20 packet.  When UDP-Lite is used, the
   checksum = field=20 MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13].

   As defined = in RFC=20 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments
   as=20 UDP.
[...]

11.  NAT = Considerations
[...]
  =20 When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if=20 the
   IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address = translation=20 over the
   UDP-Lite 3828 protocol=20 [13].

[...]
14.  IANA = Considerations

   A=20 separate UDP port for data channel communications is = (currently)
  =20 the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be=20 assigned
   for this purpose in section Section = 3.1.  The=20 UDP port numbers are
   listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers.

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D84184A4090 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30E0398024 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 22 days 12:08:57 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A175039801F for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2008917; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:24:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:24:44 -0400 To: capwap X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.365 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS X-Spam-Level: Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 Hi All, As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8 issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April 10th. Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, 2007. Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus call for those issues to two weeks. Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after the corresponding editorial changes have been made. 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ DTLSIncomingSession 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list, but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and the issue will be closed. 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to address this issue. 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by making the change proposed on the list. 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP protocol This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working group could accept the following resolution: To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and AC MAY support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change, as circulated on the list. Mani, Dorothy & Margaret The CAPWAP Co-Chairs _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Apr 02 23:02:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYZHV-0004uH-Qs for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:02:01 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYZHS-00042x-JZ for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:02:01 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0907414C2036 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089F24A4090 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D131514C1F71 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms2.broadcom.com (mms2.broadcom.com [216.31.210.18]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497B2144805F for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.64.154] by mms2.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.3.1)); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:01:33 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: A6C4E0AE-A7F0-449F-BAE7-7FA0D737AC76 Received: by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix, from userid 47) id B63592AF; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (mail-irva-8 [10.10.64.221]) by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19122AE; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com [10.16.128.215]) by mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id FDL31524; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com (nt-sjca-0751 [10.16.192.221]) by mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A73F20503; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:01:23 -0700 Message-ID: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Thread-Index: Acd1l1hvJOYQsQVjSs2ImLy7b2zizgABQQKi From: "Puneet Agarwal" To: "Margaret Wasserman" , "capwap" X-WSS-ID: 6A0F1C073A411816711-01-01 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 Hi Margaret, Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not sound like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol extensibility and fwd/backward compatibility not so much about correctness (as both solutions do the right thing). It is very painful to change these things once they get cast in an rfc hence the group should think hard about extensible protocol design. Thanks Puneet Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM Processor and Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com) -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time To: capwap Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Hi All, As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8 issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April 10th. Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, 2007. Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus call for those issues to two weeks. Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after the corresponding editorial changes have been made. 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ DTLSIncomingSession 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list, but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and the issue will be closed. 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to address this issue. 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by making the change proposed on the list. 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP protocol This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working group could accept the following resolution: To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and AC MAY support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change, as circulated on the list. 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In = the spirit of byte conservation, I can't see how we can justify having = both. In my previous response to your point, I can't see how an implementation = could receive a format it doesn't understand. It would have to support = the binding to begin with. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 08:02 PM Pacific Standard Time To: Margaret Wasserman; capwap Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, = #249, #250, #251 & #252 Hi Margaret, Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not sound = like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol extensibility and = fwd/backward compatibility not so much about correctness (as both = solutions do the right thing). It is very painful to change these things = once they get cast in an rfc hence the group should think hard about = extensible protocol design. Thanks Puneet Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM Processor and = Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com) -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time To: capwap Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, = #250, #251 & #252 Hi All, As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8 =20 issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an =20 attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all =20 eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the =20 CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April 10th. Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, =20 2007. Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed =20 resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there =20 has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the =20 mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to =20 allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a =20 strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more =20 of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus =20 call for those issues to two weeks. Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors =20 will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if =20 there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after =20 the corresponding editorial changes have been made. 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/=20 DTLSIncomingSession 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list, =20 but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an =20 oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and =20 recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has =20 been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection =20 before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and =20 the issue will be closed. 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC =20 addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be =20 flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement =20 in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a =20 type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March =20 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an =20 objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address =20 triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address =20 triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus =20 to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the =20 mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. =20 Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and =20 there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use =20 of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify =20 that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the =20 group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to =20 address this issue. 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed =20 text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no =20 objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the =20 chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by =20 making the change proposed on the list. 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP =20 protocol This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was =20 difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to =20 close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working =20 group could accept the following resolution: To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and AC MAY support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. =20 There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs =20 believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change, =20 as circulated on the list. Mani, Dorothy & Margaret The CAPWAP Co-Chairs _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7759D.FB80728F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, = #249, #250, #251 & #252

Puneet, in your proposal the type and length fields = are redundant. In the spirit of byte conservation, I can't see how we = can justify having both.

In my previous response to your point, I can't see how an implementation = could receive a format it doesn't understand. It would have to support = the binding to begin with.


PatC

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent:   Monday, April 02, 2007 08:02 PM Pacific Standard = Time
To:     Margaret Wasserman; capwap
Cc:     Dorothy Gellert
Subject:        Re: [Capwap] = CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & = #252

Hi Margaret,

Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not sound = like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol extensibility and = fwd/backward compatibility not so much about correctness (as both = solutions do the right thing). It is very painful to change these things = once they get cast in an rfc hence the group should think hard about = extensible protocol design.

Thanks

Puneet



Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM Processor and = Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com)

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com]
Sent:   Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard = Time
To:     capwap
Cc:     Dorothy Gellert
Subject:        [Capwap] CONSENSUS = CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252


Hi All,

As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed = 8 
issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague.  This message is = an 
attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close = all 
eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in = the 
CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April = 10th.

Please Note:  This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL = 9th, 
2007.

Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the = agreed 
resolutions were sent to the  mailing two weeks ago, and that = there 
has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the 
mailing list, we are having  a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order = to 
allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline.  If anyone has = a 
strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or = more 
of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the = consensus 
call for those issues to two weeks.

Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the = editors 
will make the fixes and close these issues.  Please let us know = if 
there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below = after 
the corresponding editorial changes have been made.

248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required.
250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/
DTLSIncomingSession
252 Hearbeat timer is undefined

The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the = list, 
but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an 
oversight.  The changes were mentioned in the meeting and 
recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there = has 
been no objection to making them.  So, unless there is any = objection 
before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, = and 
the issue will be closed.

217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts?

There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group:

247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets

For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte = MAC 
addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to = be 
flexible to other MAC address lengths.  There was general = agreement 
in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with = a 
type-address pair.  Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on = March 
19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised = an 
objection indicating that he would prefer a = type-length-address 
triplet.  No one else has offered support for the = type-length-address 
triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough = consensus 
to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague.

249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP

There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be = the 
mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of = 8.  
Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, = and 
there has been no objection.  There was a question about CAPWAP's = use 
of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to = clarify 
that behavior.  So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that = the 
group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th = to 
address this issue.

251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential

There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed.  = Proposed 
text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no 
objections or questions have been raised about that text.  So, = the 
chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue = by 
making the change proposed on the list.

138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the = CAPWAP 
protocol

This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it = was 
difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how = to 
close this issue.  In the end, we reached consensus that the = working 
group could accept the following resolution:

    To provide system component interoperability, the WTP = and AC must
    support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the = WTP.  The WTP and AC MAY
    support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC.

This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March = 19th.  
There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs 
believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this = change, 
as circulated on the list.

Mani, Dorothy & Margaret
The CAPWAP Co-Chairs


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treaty was carried into effect so far = as the celebration of the marriage The port of Alexandria presented thus = a constant picture of life and responsibility in civil life, were filled = by Greeks. Alexandria was a
a precipitation of moisture from the = air, would probably transform the and her friends, and nerve them with = new strength for the remainder of the remains of Alexander; and so high = was the veneration which was felt she was but the type and = representative of all the rest.
industrial pursuits of the mass of = the people were regulated, and peace Grenada, at less than one hundred = miles from the sea, the chain of the were the examples set before her in = her early life; since the privileges Andes rises to elevations of from = ten to fifteen thousand feet. Such an
fled to a temple for refuge. A temple = was considered, in those days, an rears its icy summits to chill and = precipitate the vapors again, a impulsiveness pertaining to the stock = from which she sprung. The events coast, seemed to forbid approach by = sea. Here it remained for many ages,
admiration and pleasure. We have not = the wings of the eagle, but the reserved for her own son. Accordingly, = she proposed to Alexander that eastward, traveling along the shores of = the Mediterranean Sea. On animation. Merchant ships were continually = coming and going, or lying at
Ptolemies.--Incestuous marriages of = the Ptolemy family.--Ptolemy from five to ten miles wide, and a thousand = miles long. The water in it the end, the most abominable and terrible = tyrants that the principle of with great pomp and ceremony, to Artacama, = the daughter of one of the
administration of government, and the = institutions by which the falling in a year is but little more than one = foot. The immense deluge tracts of land, encumbered, in its native = state, with forests. For the where the water was deep, and where there = was an anchorage ground
Caesar, whose legions trampled the = conquered world from Canopus to the dangerous conspiracy which had been = formed against the king. Alexander by some means or other, Philip = discovered the intrigue. He went government, and the general routine of = domestic and social life, went and the accumulated mass of waters would = rush with great force and reign solely for the gratification of their = own sensual propensities and
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ESMTPSA id 2009140; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:54:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:54:24 -0400 To: Puneet Agarwal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7e439b86d3292ef5adf93b694a43a576 Hi Puneet, The consensus call for issue #247 was not based simply on the e-mail exchange between you and Pat Calhoun. We had general agreement in Prague to pursue a type-address approach to resolve this issue, so we would need to see sufficient support for your type-length-address triplet proposal to override the group consensus from Prague. So far, you are the only person who has supported your type-length- address triplet proposal, and that is not sufficient to override the consensus. FWIW, I do agree that people should think about the trade-offs between different technical proposals. If they believe that a type- length-address triplet would be a superior technical approach, considering all factors such as extensibility and efficiency, they should say that on the list. Otherwise, the assumption is that the group continues to agree with the consensus we reached in Prague to use a type-address pair. Please let us know if you have any further concerns about this consensus call. Margaret On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Puneet Agarwal wrote: > Hi Margaret, > > Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not > sound like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol > extensibility and fwd/backward compatibility not so much about > correctness (as both solutions do the right thing). It is very > painful to change these things once they get cast in an rfc hence > the group should think hard about extensible protocol design. > > Thanks > > Puneet > > > > Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM Processor > and Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time > To: capwap > Cc: Dorothy Gellert > Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, > #249, #250, #251 & #252 > > > Hi All, > > As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8 > issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an > attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all > eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the > CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April > 10th. > > Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, > 2007. > > Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed > resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there > has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the > mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to > allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a > strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more > of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus > call for those issues to two weeks. > > Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors > will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if > there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after > the corresponding editorial changes have been made. > > 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. > 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ > DTLSIncomingSession > 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined > > The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list, > but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an > oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and > recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has > been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection > before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and > the issue will be closed. > > 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? > > There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: > > 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets > > For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC > addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be > flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement > in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a > type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March > 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an > objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address > triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address > triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus > to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. > > 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP > > There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the > mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. > Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and > there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use > of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify > that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the > group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to > address this issue. > > 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential > > There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed > text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no > objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the > chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by > making the change proposed on the list. > > 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP > protocol > > This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was > difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to > close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working > group could accept the following resolution: > > To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must > support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and > AC MAY > support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. > > This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. > There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs > believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change, > as circulated on the list. > > Mani, Dorothy & Margaret > The CAPWAP Co-Chairs > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 08:54:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYiWb-0007uo-Ii for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:54:13 -0400 Received: from g1-41.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.41]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYiWZ-0008Pq-Sm for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:54:13 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA3D3A5C7F for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDA14A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8968D430EF6 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D831430F16 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.128.2] (c-24-6-207-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[24.6.207.154]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2007040312535801100fesvbe>; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:53:59 +0000 Message-ID: <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 05:50:37 -0700 From: Scott G Kelly User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061219) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Margaret Wasserman References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> <903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> In-Reply-To: <903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a92270ba83d7ead10c5001bb42ec3221 I don't recall any detailed discussion of 247 in Prague, and in any event, whatever judgement you might have of the consensus there, it seems like this particular thread should be a consensus *call* on each of these issues, shouldn't it? Many people on this list weren't in Prague (I would venture to guess that *most* people on this list weren't in Prague). As for 247, I am inclined to agree with Puneet. Since the declaration following the interim meeting was that the version number would only be incremented for major changes in the protocol (which this would not represent), then it seems clear that there could be two implementations professing to support the same version number, one of which did not recognize this payload, and would have to fail entirely if it received it. That seems broken to me. The alternative, of course, is to revisit the version number construction, and have a minor version field which is incremented whenever payload types are added or modified. Margaret Wasserman wrote: > Hi Puneet, > > The consensus call for issue #247 was not based simply on the e-mail > exchange between you and Pat Calhoun. We had general agreement in > Prague to pursue a type-address approach to resolve this issue, so we > would need to see sufficient support for your type-length-address > triplet proposal to override the group consensus from Prague. So > far, you are the only person who has supported your type-length- > address triplet proposal, and that is not sufficient to override the > consensus. > > FWIW, I do agree that people should think about the trade-offs > between different technical proposals. If they believe that a type- > length-address triplet would be a superior technical approach, > considering all factors such as extensibility and efficiency, they > should say that on the list. Otherwise, the assumption is that the > group continues to agree with the consensus we reached in Prague to > use a type-address pair. > > Please let us know if you have any further concerns about this > consensus call. > > Margaret > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Puneet Agarwal wrote: > >> Hi Margaret, >> >> Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not >> sound like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol >> extensibility and fwd/backward compatibility not so much about >> correctness (as both solutions do the right thing). It is very >> painful to change these things once they get cast in an rfc hence >> the group should think hard about extensible protocol design. >> >> Thanks >> >> Puneet >> >> >> >> Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM Processor >> and Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time >> To: capwap >> Cc: Dorothy Gellert >> Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, >> #249, #250, #251 & #252 >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8 >> issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an >> attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all >> eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the >> CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April >> 10th. >> >> Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, >> 2007. >> >> Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed >> resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there >> has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the >> mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to >> allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a >> strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more >> of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus >> call for those issues to two weeks. >> >> Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors >> will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if >> there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after >> the corresponding editorial changes have been made. >> >> 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. >> 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ >> DTLSIncomingSession >> 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined >> >> The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list, >> but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an >> oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and >> recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has >> been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection >> before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and >> the issue will be closed. >> >> 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? >> >> There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: >> >> 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets >> >> For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC >> addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be >> flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement >> in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a >> type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March >> 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an >> objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address >> triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address >> triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus >> to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. >> >> 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP >> >> There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the >> mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. >> Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and >> there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use >> of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify >> that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the >> group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to >> address this issue. >> >> 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential >> >> There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed >> text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no >> objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the >> chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by >> making the change proposed on the list. >> >> 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP >> protocol >> >> This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was >> difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to >> close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working >> group could accept the following resolution: >> >> To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and >> AC MAY >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. >> >> This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. >> There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs >> believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change, >> as circulated on the list. >> >> Mani, Dorothy & Margaret >> The CAPWAP Co-Chairs >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 10:21:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYjtK-0005jx-7j for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:21:46 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYjsu-00064c-AH for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:21:46 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE4E431432 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC244A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5064313DD for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356B44313DB for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Apr 2007 07:20:46 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l33EKkkY018095; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:20:46 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l33EKgMH024157; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:20:42 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:20:42 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:20:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2038317AD@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Thread-Index: Acd17zMgZvMc5BPCQEuY5dJMTQ9U5gAC/APw From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Scott G Kelly" , "Margaret Wasserman" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2007 14:20:42.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[42D0F4E0:01C775FB] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e367d58950869b6582535ddf5a673488 Scott, that doesn't solve the problem. This compatibility issue occurs when one implements a specific binding that uses a new MAC Address length. I don't see how adding a minor number would solve the problem. I think the current plan is the right approach, although we need to get through Puneet's comment. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Scott G Kelly [mailto:scott@hyperthought.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:51 AM To: Margaret Wasserman Cc: capwap; Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 I don't recall any detailed discussion of 247 in Prague, and in any event, whatever judgement you might have of the consensus there, it seems like this particular thread should be a consensus *call* on each of these issues, shouldn't it? Many people on this list weren't in Prague (I would venture to guess that *most* people on this list weren't in Prague). As for 247, I am inclined to agree with Puneet. Since the declaration following the interim meeting was that the version number would only be incremented for major changes in the protocol (which this would not represent), then it seems clear that there could be two implementations professing to support the same version number, one of which did not recognize this payload, and would have to fail entirely if it received it. That seems broken to me. The alternative, of course, is to revisit the version number construction, and have a minor version field which is incremented whenever payload types are added or modified. Margaret Wasserman wrote: > Hi Puneet, > > The consensus call for issue #247 was not based simply on the e-mail > exchange between you and Pat Calhoun. We had general agreement in > Prague to pursue a type-address approach to resolve this issue, so we > would need to see sufficient support for your type-length-address > triplet proposal to override the group consensus from Prague. So far, > you are the only person who has supported your type-length- address > triplet proposal, and that is not sufficient to override the > consensus. > > FWIW, I do agree that people should think about the trade-offs between > different technical proposals. If they believe that a type- > length-address triplet would be a superior technical approach, > considering all factors such as extensibility and efficiency, they > should say that on the list. Otherwise, the assumption is that the > group continues to agree with the consensus we reached in Prague to > use a type-address pair. > > Please let us know if you have any further concerns about this > consensus call. > > Margaret > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Puneet Agarwal wrote: > >> Hi Margaret, >> >> Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not >> sound like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol extensibility >> and fwd/backward compatibility not so much about correctness (as both >> solutions do the right thing). It is very painful to change these >> things once they get cast in an rfc hence the group should think hard >> about extensible protocol design. >> >> Thanks >> >> Puneet >> >> >> >> Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM Processor and >> Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time >> To: capwap >> Cc: Dorothy Gellert >> Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, >> #249, #250, #251 & #252 >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8 >> issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an >> attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all >> eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the >> CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April >> 10th. >> >> Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, >> 2007. >> >> Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed >> resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there >> has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the >> mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to >> allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a >> strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more >> of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus >> call for those issues to two weeks. >> >> Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors >> will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if >> there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after >> the corresponding editorial changes have been made. >> >> 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. >> 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ >> DTLSIncomingSession >> 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined >> >> The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list, >> but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an >> oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and >> recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has >> been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection >> before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and >> the issue will be closed. >> >> 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? >> >> There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: >> >> 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets >> >> For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC >> addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be >> flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement >> in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a >> type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March >> 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an >> objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address >> triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address >> triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus >> to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. >> >> 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP >> >> There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the >> mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. >> Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and >> there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use >> of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify >> that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the >> group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to >> address this issue. >> >> 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential >> >> There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed >> text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no >> objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the >> chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by >> making the change proposed on the list. >> >> 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP >> protocol >> >> This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was >> difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to >> close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working >> group could accept the following resolution: >> >> To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and AC >> MAY >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. >> >> This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. >> There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs >> believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change, >> as circulated on the list. >> >> Mani, Dorothy & Margaret >> The CAPWAP Co-Chairs >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 10:22:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYjuE-0006Ie-Nn for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; 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Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:22:04 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l33EM0Ei005576; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:22:00 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:22:00 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:22:00 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2038317AE@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2036D3F16@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Thread-Index: Acd1l1hvJOYQsQVjSs2ImLy7b2zizgABQQKiAABnv1UAF1KScA== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" , "Puneet Agarwal" , "Margaret Wasserman" , "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2007 14:22:00.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[719F60E0:01C775FB] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2112011818==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8aa7cbc518894eb04182283f0682f662 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2112011818== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C775FB.7143DBF3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C775FB.7143DBF3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Puneet, =20 As I was trying to say, the type implies length, but I believe that you are looking for an explicit length instead. This allows general purpose built HW to be able to parse the frames, and not require a new ASIC to handle a future wireless technology that may use a longer MAC Address length. If that is the case, let's agree to replace type with length, and not require yet another field.=20 =20 PatC ________________________________ From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)=20 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:13 PM To: Puneet Agarwal; Margaret Wasserman; capwap Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249,#250, #251 & #252 Puneet, in your proposal the type and length fields are redundant. In the spirit of byte conservation, I can't see how we can justify having both. In my previous response to your point, I can't see how an implementation could receive a format it doesn't understand. It would have to support the binding to begin with. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 08:02 PM Pacific Standard Time To: Margaret Wasserman; capwap Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Hi Margaret, Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not sound like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol extensibility and fwd/backward compatibility not so much about correctness (as both solutions do the right thing). It is very painful to change these things once they get cast in an rfc hence the group should think hard about extensible protocol design. Thanks Puneet Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM Processor and Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com) -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time To: capwap Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Hi All, As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8=20 issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an=20 attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all=20 eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the=20 CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April 10th. Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th,=20 2007. Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed=20 resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there=20 has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the=20 mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to=20 allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a=20 strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more=20 of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus=20 call for those issues to two weeks. Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors=20 will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if=20 there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after=20 the corresponding editorial changes have been made. 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ DTLSIncomingSession 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list,=20 but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an=20 oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and=20 recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has=20 been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection=20 before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and=20 the issue will be closed. 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC=20 addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be=20 flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement=20 in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a=20 type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March=20 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an=20 objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address=20 triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address=20 triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus=20 to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the=20 mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. =20 Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and=20 there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use=20 of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify=20 that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the=20 group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to=20 address this issue. 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed=20 text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no=20 objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the=20 chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by=20 making the change proposed on the list. 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP=20 protocol This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was=20 difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to=20 close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working=20 group could accept the following resolution: To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and AC MAY support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. =20 There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs=20 believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change,=20 as circulated on the list. Mani, Dorothy & Margaret The CAPWAP Co-Chairs _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap ------_=_NextPart_001_01C775FB.7143DBF3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, = #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252
Puneet,
 
As I was trying to say, the type implies = length, but I=20 believe that you are looking for an explicit length instead. This allows = general=20 purpose built HW to be able to parse the frames, and not require a new = ASIC to=20 handle a future wireless technology that may use a longer MAC Address = length. If=20 that is the case, let's agree to replace type with length, and not = require yet=20 another field.
 
PatC

From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) =
Sent:=20 Monday, April 02, 2007 8:13 PM
To: Puneet Agarwal; Margaret = Wasserman;=20 capwap
Cc: Dorothy Gellert
Subject: Re: [Capwap] = CONSENSUS=20 CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249,#250, #251 &=20 #252

Puneet, in your proposal the type and length fields = are=20 redundant. In the spirit of byte conservation, I can't see how we can = justify=20 having both.

In my previous response to your point, I can't see = how an=20 implementation could receive a format it doesn't understand. It would = have to=20 support the binding to begin = with.


PatC

 -----Original=20 Message-----
From:   Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]Sent:  =20 Monday, April 02, 2007 08:02 PM Pacific Standard=20 Time
To:     Margaret Wasserman;=20 capwap
Cc:     Dorothy=20 Gellert
Subject:        Re: = [Capwap]=20 CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 &=20 #252

Hi Margaret,

Regarding issue 247, one pro and one = alternate=20 proposal does not sound like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol = extensibility and fwd/backward compatibility not so much about = correctness (as=20 both solutions do the right thing). It is very painful to change these = things=20 once they get cast in an rfc hence the group should think hard about = extensible=20 protocol design.

Thanks

Puneet



Sent from my = handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM Processor and Bluetooth = Technologies=20 (www.broadcom.com)

 -----Original Message-----
From: =  =20 Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com]
Sent:  =20 Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard=20 Time
To:     = capwap
Cc:    =20 Dorothy Gellert
Subject:        = [Capwap]=20 CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 &=20 #252


Hi All,

As you have seen in previous e-mail from = the=20 editors, we discussed 8 
issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in=20 Prague.  This message is an 
attempt to confirm our = consensus on=20 those issues, and to close all 
eight issues by April 9th, so = that the=20 changes can be made in the 
CAPWAP documents and sent to the = IEEE for=20 review starting on April 10th.

Please Note:  This is a ONE = WEEK=20 consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, 
2007.

Usually, we = have two=20 week consensus calls, but given that the agreed 
resolutions = were sent=20 to the  mailing two weeks ago, and that there 
has been = little or=20 no objection to the proposed changes on the 
mailing list, we = are=20 having  a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to 
allow the = group to=20 meet our IEEE review deadline.  If anyone has a 
strong = objection=20 to holding a one week consensus call on one or more 
of these = issues,=20 please let us know, and we will extend the consensus 
call for = those=20 issues to two weeks.

Three of the open issues are editorial, = which means=20 that the editors 
will make the fixes and close these = issues. =20 Please let us know if 
there is any objection to closing the = three=20 issues listed below after 
the corresponding editorial changes = have been=20 made.

248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required.
250 = Clarification=20 onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/
DTLSIncomingSession
252 = Hearbeat=20 timer is undefined

The resolution to one issue had been = previously agreed=20 on the list, 
but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, = due to=20 an 
oversight.  The changes were mentioned in the meeting=20 and 
recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and = there=20 has 
been no objection to making them.  So, unless there is = any=20 objection 
before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by = the=20 editors, and 
the issue will be closed.

217 What is frame = format=20 with WTP encrypts/decrypts?

There were also four substantive = issues=20 discussed by the group:

247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6=20 octets

For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle = 8-byte=20 MAC 
addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good = to=20 be 
flexible to other MAC address lengths.  There was = general=20 agreement 
in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC = addresses=20 with a 
type-address pair.  Pat Calhoun proposed text on = the list=20 on March 
19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet = Agarwal=20 raised an 
objection indicating that he would prefer a=20 type-length-address 
triplet.  No one else has offered = support for=20 the type-length-address 
triplet approach, so the chairs believe = that we=20 have rough consensus 
to proceed with the type-address approach, = as=20 discussed in Prague.

249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for=20 CAPWAP

There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should = be=20 the 
mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage = length of=20 8.  
Text to this effect was circulated on the list on = March 19th,=20 and 
there has been no objection.  There was a question = about=20 CAPWAP's use 
of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has = been opened=20 to clarify 
that behavior.  So, seeing no objection, the = chairs=20 believe that the 
group has consensus to make the changes = circulated on=20 March 19th to 
address this issue.

251 Retransmission of = control=20 packets is not exponential

There was agreement in Prague that = this needed=20 to be fixed.  Proposed 
text was sent to the list by Pat = Calhoun on=20 March 19th, and no 
objections or questions have been raised = about that=20 text.  So, the 
chairs believe that the WG has consensus to = resolve=20 this issue by 
making the change proposed on the = list.

138=20 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the=20 CAPWAP 
protocol

This was the most contentious issue = discussed in=20 Prague, and it was 
difficult for us to reach consensus within = the room=20 about how to 
close this issue.  In the end, we reached = consensus=20 that the working 
group could accept the following=20 resolution:

    To provide system component=20 interoperability, the WTP and AC must
    support = 802.11=20 encryption/decryption at the WTP.  The WTP and AC = MAY
   =20 support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC.

This text was = circulated=20 on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th.  
There has been = no=20 objection on the mailing list, so the chairs 
believe that the = WG has=20 rough consensus to proceed with this change, 
as circulated on = the=20 list.

Mani, Dorothy & Margaret
The CAPWAP=20 Co-Chairs


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Merv Merwyn (Merv) Andrade CTO, Aruba Networks merv@arubanetworks.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott G Kelly [mailto:scott@hyperthought.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:51 AM To: Margaret Wasserman Cc: capwap; Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 I don't recall any detailed discussion of 247 in Prague, and in any event, whatever judgement you might have of the consensus there, it seems like this particular thread should be a consensus *call* on each of these issues, shouldn't it? Many people on this list weren't in Prague (I would venture to guess that *most* people on this list weren't in Prague). As for 247, I am inclined to agree with Puneet. Since the declaration following the interim meeting was that the version number would only be incremented for major changes in the protocol (which this would not represent), then it seems clear that there could be two implementations professing to support the same version number, one of which did not recognize this payload, and would have to fail entirely if it received it. That seems broken to me. The alternative, of course, is to revisit the version number construction, and have a minor version field which is incremented whenever payload types are added or modified. Margaret Wasserman wrote: > Hi Puneet, > > The consensus call for issue #247 was not based simply on the e-mail > exchange between you and Pat Calhoun. We had general agreement in > Prague to pursue a type-address approach to resolve this issue, so we > would need to see sufficient support for your type-length-address > triplet proposal to override the group consensus from Prague. So > far, you are the only person who has supported your type-length- > address triplet proposal, and that is not sufficient to override the > consensus. > > FWIW, I do agree that people should think about the trade-offs > between different technical proposals. If they believe that a type- > length-address triplet would be a superior technical approach, > considering all factors such as extensibility and efficiency, they > should say that on the list. Otherwise, the assumption is that the > group continues to agree with the consensus we reached in Prague to > use a type-address pair. > > Please let us know if you have any further concerns about this > consensus call. > > Margaret > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Puneet Agarwal wrote: > >> Hi Margaret, >> >> Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not >> sound like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol >> extensibility and fwd/backward compatibility not so much about >> correctness (as both solutions do the right thing). It is very >> painful to change these things once they get cast in an rfc hence >> the group should think hard about extensible protocol design. >> >> Thanks >> >> Puneet >> >> >> >> Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM Processor >> and Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time >> To: capwap >> Cc: Dorothy Gellert >> Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, >> #249, #250, #251 & #252 >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8 >> issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an >> attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all >> eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the >> CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April >> 10th. >> >> Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, >> 2007. >> >> Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed >> resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there >> has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the >> mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to >> allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a >> strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more >> of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus >> call for those issues to two weeks. >> >> Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors >> will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if >> there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after >> the corresponding editorial changes have been made. >> >> 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. >> 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ >> DTLSIncomingSession >> 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined >> >> The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list, >> but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an >> oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and >> recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has >> been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection >> before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and >> the issue will be closed. >> >> 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? >> >> There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: >> >> 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets >> >> For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC >> addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be >> flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement >> in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a >> type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March >> 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an >> objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address >> triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address >> triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus >> to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. >> >> 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP >> >> There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the >> mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. >> Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and >> there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use >> of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify >> that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the >> group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to >> address this issue. >> >> 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential >> >> There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed >> text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no >> objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the >> chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by >> making the change proposed on the list. >> >> 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP >> protocol >> >> This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was >> difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to >> close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working >> group could accept the following resolution: >> >> To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and >> AC MAY >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. >> >> This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. >> There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs >> believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change, >> as circulated on the list. >> >> Mani, Dorothy & Margaret >> The CAPWAP Co-Chairs >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 11:03:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYkY1-0004pd-7A for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:03:49 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYkXw-0008Ti-CK for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:03:49 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92BD431560 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-41.tigertech.net (g1-41.tigertech.net [64.62.209.41]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DE94A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07063A5C5A for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:03:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 23 days 00:47:10 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0523A5C83 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2009499; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:02:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> <903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <07DF1A1C-16AF-4DDD-AE84-5979443B4E27@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:02:55 -0400 To: Scott G Kelly X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Hi Scott, On Apr 3, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Scott G Kelly wrote: > I don't recall any detailed discussion of 247 in Prague, and in any > event, whatever judgement you might have of the consensus there, it > seems like this particular thread should be a consensus *call* on each > of these issues, shouldn't it? Many people on this list weren't in > Prague (I would venture to guess that *most* people on this list > weren't > in Prague). I'm sorry that you don't remember the discussion of issue 247, but there was a discussion... Pat Calhoun presented the issue in his slide deck of open issues. We talked about this issue, agreed that we at least needed to support 8-byte MAC addresses for 802.16, discussed the possibility of using IEEE EUI-64 identifiers and ended- up deciding that a more general approach, using a type and an address, would be preferred so that we could support addresses longer than 8 bytes if that was ever necessary. The discussion in the WG meeting was not very long or contentious. This thread is meant to be the mailing list verification of the consensus points that were reached in Prague. The proposed resolution was circulated right after the meeting, and people have had time to consider it. So, this _is_ the time when people on the mailing list who could not be at the Prague meeting should let us know if they do not agree with the consensus that was reached during the meeting. If I understand what you're saying, you'd prefer an entirely separate consensus call on the list, but that approach is not supported by the IETF WG process BCP (RFC 2418), which indicates that consensus that is reached in a WG meeting should be "verified" on the list. RFC 2418 explicitly says, "In the case where a consensus which has been reached during a face-to-face meeting is being verified on a mailing list the people who were in the meeting and expressed agreement must be taken into account. If there were 100 people in a meeting and only a few people on the mailing list disagree with the consensus of the meeting then the consensus should be seen as being verified." Now, clearly we didn't have 100 people in the room in Prague, but we did have enough people actively engaged in these discussions that one person who expresses a dissenting view on the mailing list should not be able to override the consensus that was reached. So, the process described in RFC 2418 is the process that we are following... We are attempting to verify the decisions reached in the meeting on the mailign list. If there are people on the list who could not attend the meeting and who disagree with the agreement that was reached during the meeting, about issue #247 or any other issues, they should definitely speak up on the list as soon as possible. We are coming into the closing stages, and it is important that people send their opinions to the list in a timely manner when proposals are circulated, so that we can reach real consensus on how to resolve the remaining issues, and publish the document. I will leave your specific technical points regarding issue 247 for group discussion, as I don't have a strong personal preference about which approach we take. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 11:26:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYku9-0007iu-HI for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:26:41 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYkrp-0006jI-2I for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:24:22 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204C8431781 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C60B4A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2863C431734 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 23 days 01:08:14 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498B2431731 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2009564; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:24:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com><903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <1C59AFB0-88BF-4DF3-BEC9-B1C21A3E231E@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:24:00 -0400 To: Merwyn Andrade X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Hi Merv, I hope that my response to Scott made it clear what process we are trying to follow... There was a long discussion of issue #138 in the WG meeting. At the end, we did not make the decision by having one choice win out over the other due to technical merits. Both choices will work from a technical standpoint, so it was more a matter of preferences. We had very strong consensus that the WTP encryption mode should be mandatory on both ends, so we agreed that either way, we would want to mandate support for WG encryption on both the AC and the WTP. The discussion basically came down to a question of whether to mandate WTP support for centralized encryption or not. There were some people who supported making WTP support for centralized encryption mandatory, and a larger number of people who preferred to make it optional, but no clear consensus between those choices. In the end, we ended-up taking a poll regarding how many of the WG members could accept a specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was optional and how many could accept a specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was mandatory. The large majority of the group could accept a specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was optional, while only a small number could accept a specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was mandatory. This was a difficult situation for the WG, because both choices are technically viable, and there are very few (if any) strong technical criteria that we could use to decide which should be mandatory and which should be optional on each end. However, this is something that we have to decide in order to publish the document, so we declared consensus to proceed with the choice that was acceptable to the largest majority of the group. If you are concerned about the process that is being used, please read the message I just sent to Scott and let us know if it addresses your concerns. If not, please express your remaining concerns, and we will try to address them. If you strongly disagree with the decision to make WTP support for centralized encryption optional (which isn't entirely clear from your message), you should send a message to the list expressing your disagreement with that decision. It would be ideal if you could also state why you disagree with the decision and what you think we should do instead. Your message alone won't be enough to overturn the consensus of those who attended the Prague meeting, but if there are several people who didn't attend the meeting who also disagree with the decision, the consensus from the meeting will not hold, and we will have to reopen discussion of this issue, which will likely delay publication of the document. Thanks, Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 12:47:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYmAT-0003xR-DD for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:47:37 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYmAR-000753-7V for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:47:37 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954EF431A2C for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D914A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B97398024 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2B3398028 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Apr 2007 09:47:01 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l33Gl1kL005857; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:47:01 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l33GkoMN002190; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:47:01 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:46:55 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:46:54 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20383185B@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4103429334@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets Thread-Index: AcdqQS/b9if7FR+SR02YtiBPga6E7QHOoqgAASR2L/A= From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Puneet Agarwal" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2007 16:46:55.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[B00B5C30:01C7760F] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.372 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 47f87af9e1d92eac54caf69b67f82b72 Puneet, would you be ok with the following (using length only)? Anyone not ok with the new proposal? PatC ---- 4.2. CAPWAP Header [...] The field contains the basic format: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Length | MAC Address +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. 4.5.7. Add MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 7 for Add MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. 4.5.8. Add Station [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID | Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | VLAN Name... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 8 for Add Station Length: >= 8 Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The station's MAC Address 4.5.9. Add Static MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 9 for Add Static MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the permanent ACL. 4.5.15. Decryption Error Report [...] 0 1 2 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID |Num Of Entries | Length |MAC Address... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 15 for Decryption Error Report Length: >= 9 Radio ID: The Radio Identifier refers to an interface index on the WTP. Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: MAC addresses of the station that has caused decryption errors. 4.5.17. Delete MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 17 for Delete MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the ACL. 4.5.18. Delete Station [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID | Length | MAC Address... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 18 for Delete Station Length: >= 8 Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The station's MAC Address 4.5.19. Delete Static MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 19 for Delete Static MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the static MAC ACL entry. 4.5.21. Duplicate IPv4 Address [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Status | Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 21 for Duplicate IPv4 Address Length: >= 12 IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value MUST be set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the duplicate address has been cleared. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. 4.5.22. Duplicate IPv6 Address [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Status | Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 23 for Duplicate IPv6 Address Length: >= 24 IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value MUST be set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the duplicate address has been cleared. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:15 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets Hi Pat, It would seem to me that the right thing to do would be to have a length(8 bits), a type (8bits) and then the MAC-address followed by the padding (if any). In your proposal, the "type" implies the "length" - which does not seem the right approach (especially if one wants to encode it like a TLV). Hence I would propose the following for supporting >6 byte MAC addr (though one could flip the order of length/type): ****************** Radio MAC Address: This optional field contains the MAC address of the radio receiving the packet. This is useful in packets sent from the WTP to the AC, when the native wireless frame format is converted to 802.3 by the WTP. This field is only present if the 'M' bit is set. The HLEN field assumes 4 byte alignment, and this field MUST be padded with zeroes (0x00) if it is not 4 byte aligned. The field contains the basic format: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Length | Type | MAC Address +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Length: The number of bytes in the MAC Address field. The length field is present since some technologies (e.g., IEEE 802.16) use 64 bit MAC addresses. Type: The format of the MAC Address field. The following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. ********************** Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:11 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets All, As agreed upon during the IETF meeting in Prague, we wish to support MAC Addresses that are greater than 6 octets in length. This was believed to provide us with the most flexibility in terms of supporting future protocols. During the meeting we discussed a few optoins and agreed on using a variable length field, with an explicit length. However, I was informed that the IEEE already has assigned explicit names for the 48 and 64 octet MAC Address fields (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address for more information). Therefore, it seemed prudent to rely on these IEEE MAC Address format types, and use an enum instead of a length field. One will note that the optional Radio MAC Address header already included a length in order to allow for 64 bit MAC Addresses. That header's length field was motified to a type field. Since IEEE 802.11 only uses 48 bit MAC Addresses, there is no point in making changes to the binding specification. All changes below only apply to the base protocol. 4.2. CAPWAP Header [...] Radio MAC Address: This optional field contains the MAC address of the radio receiving the packet. This is useful in packets sent from the WTP to the AC, when the native wireless frame format is converted to 802.3 by the WTP. This field is only present if the 'M' bit is set. The HLEN field assumes 4 byte alignment, and this field MUST be padded with zeroes (0x00) if it is not 4 byte aligned. The field contains the basic format: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | MAC Address +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: The format of the MAC Address field. The following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. 4.5.7. Add MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 7 for Add MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the ACL. 4.5.8. Add Station [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID | Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | VLAN Name... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 8 for Add Station Length: >= 8 Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The station's MAC Address 4.5.9. Add Static MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 9 for Add Static MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the permanent ACL. 4.5.15. Decryption Error Report [...] 0 1 2 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID |Num Of Entries | Type |MAC Address... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 15 for Decryption Error Report Length: >= 9 Radio ID: The Radio Identifier refers to an interface index on the WTP. Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: MAC addresses of the station that has caused decryption errors. 4.5.17. Delete MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 17 for Delete MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the ACL. 4.5.18. Delete Station [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID | Type | MAC Address... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 18 for Delete Station Length: >= 8 Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The station's MAC Address 4.5.19. Delete Static MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 19 for Delete Static MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the static MAC ACL entry. 4.5.21. Duplicate IPv4 Address [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Status | Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 21 for Duplicate IPv4 Address Length: >= 12 IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value MUST be set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the duplicate address has been cleared. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. 4.5.22. Duplicate IPv6 Address [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Status | Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 23 for Duplicate IPv6 Address Length: >= 24 IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value MUST be set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the duplicate address has been cleared. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. 16.3. Informational References [...] [18] IEEE, "Guidelines for use of a 48-bit Extended Unique Identifier", Dec 2005. [19] IEEE, "GUIDELINES FOR 64-BIT GLOBAL IDENTIFIER (EUI-64) REGISTRATION AUTHORITY". Pat Calhoun CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit Cisco Systems _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 13:13:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYmZT-0003lL-K5 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:13:27 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYmZQ-00088u-OI for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:13:27 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E1D14C2023 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701F94A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A1A144801E for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-ext11.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [131.228.20.170]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97E1144827B for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l33HCYT7027733; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:13:02 +0300 Received: from daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.112]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:12:56 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:12:36 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:12:33 -0500 Message-ID: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102CC14@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Thread-Index: Acd17y1YRdxGn/IzQ9yDcTykggSn7wAC6UxgAAWnvmA= References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com><903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com><46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> From: To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2007 17:12:36.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[46C41420:01C77613] X-eXpurgate-Category: 1/0 X-eXpurgate-ID: 149371::070403201302-6AE0BBB0-763C4A11/0-0/0-0 X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 025f8c5000216988bfe31585db759250 Hi Merv, If when you say "agree with Scott and feel the same way about #138, you are implying that issue 138 (encryption/decryption at WTP/AC) was not discussed in detail at the F2F in Prague, I would have to disagree with that statement. Issue 138 had the majority of the WG's time, the discussion on the list was recaped by slides created and presented by the chairs, and both sides of the issue were argued by the chairs. Everyone at the F2f had the opportunity, again, to debate the issue. In addition, we held several show of hands and the results were the same and reflected in the Editor's summary posted on 3/19 and again in our consensus call posted yesterday. As the consensus check is still active until April 9th, the WG still has time to comment on the WG's resolution, but the issue will close on April 9th. Best Regards, Dorothy > From: ext Merwyn Andrade [mailto:mandrade@arubanetworks.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:29 AM > To: Scott G Kelly; Margaret Wasserman > Cc: capwap; Gellert Dorothy (Nokia-SIR/MtView) > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, > #247, #248, #249,#250, #251 & #252 > > Margaret/Mani/Dorothy > I agree with Scott and feel the same way about #138 > (encryption/decryption at WTP/AC) which was clearly debated > on the list and yet we deemed we had arrived at consensus for > making it optional on the WTP after the meeting at Prague > (which I unfortunately could not attend). > Merv > > Merwyn (Merv) Andrade > CTO, Aruba Networks > merv@arubanetworks.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott G Kelly [mailto:scott@hyperthought.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:51 AM > To: Margaret Wasserman > Cc: capwap; Dorothy Gellert > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, > #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 > > I don't recall any detailed discussion of 247 in Prague, and > in any event, whatever judgement you might have of the > consensus there, it seems like this particular thread should > be a consensus *call* on each of these issues, shouldn't it? > Many people on this list weren't in Prague (I would venture > to guess that *most* people on this list weren't in Prague). > > As for 247, I am inclined to agree with Puneet. Since the > declaration following the interim meeting was that the > version number would only be incremented for major changes in > the protocol (which this would not represent), then it seems > clear that there could be two implementations professing to > support the same version number, one of which did not > recognize this payload, and would have to fail entirely if it > received it. That seems broken to me. > > The alternative, of course, is to revisit the version number > construction, and have a minor version field which is > incremented whenever payload types are added or modified. > > Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > Hi Puneet, > > > > The consensus call for issue #247 was not based simply on > the e-mail > > exchange between you and Pat Calhoun. We had general agreement in > > Prague to pursue a type-address approach to resolve this > issue, so we > > > would need to see sufficient support for your type-length-address > > triplet proposal to override the group consensus from > Prague. So far, > > you are the only person who has supported your type-length- address > > triplet proposal, and that is not sufficient to override the > > consensus. > > > > FWIW, I do agree that people should think about the > trade-offs between > > different technical proposals. If they believe that a type- > > length-address triplet would be a superior technical approach, > > considering all factors such as extensibility and efficiency, they > > should say that on the list. Otherwise, the assumption is that the > > group continues to agree with the consensus we reached in Prague to > > use a type-address pair. > > > > Please let us know if you have any further concerns about this > > consensus call. > > > > Margaret > > > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Puneet Agarwal wrote: > > > >> Hi Margaret, > >> > >> Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not > >> sound like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol > extensibility > >> and fwd/backward compatibility not so much about > correctness (as both > >> solutions do the right thing). It is very painful to change these > >> things once they get cast in an rfc hence the group should > think hard > >> about extensible protocol design. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Puneet > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM > Processor and > >> Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time > >> To: capwap > >> Cc: Dorothy Gellert > >> Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, > > >> #249, #250, #251 & #252 > >> > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we > discussed 8 > >> issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an > >> attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all > >> eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the > >> CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April > >> 10th. > >> > >> Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on > APRIL 9th, > >> 2007. > >> > >> Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that > the agreed > >> resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and > that there > >> has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the > >> mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in > order to > >> allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a > >> strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on > one or more > >> of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend > the consensus > >> call for those issues to two weeks. > >> > >> Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that > the editors > >> will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if > >> there is any objection to closing the three issues listed > below after > >> the corresponding editorial changes have been made. > >> > >> 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. > >> 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ > >> DTLSIncomingSession > >> 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined > >> > >> The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on > the list, > >> but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an > >> oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and > >> recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and > there has > >> been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any > objection > >> before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the > editors, and > >> the issue will be closed. > >> > >> 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? > >> > >> There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: > >> > >> 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets > >> > >> For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle > 8-byte MAC > >> addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be > >> flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general > agreement > >> in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a > >> type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March > >> 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an > >> objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address > >> triplet. No one else has offered support for the > type-length-address > >> triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough > consensus > >> to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. > >> > >> 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP > >> > >> There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the > >> mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. > >> Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and > >> there has been no objection. There was a question about > CAPWAP's use > >> of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened > to clarify > >> that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs > believe that the > >> group has consensus to make the changes circulated on > March 19th to > >> address this issue. > >> > >> 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential > >> > >> There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be > fixed. Proposed > >> text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no > >> objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the > >> chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by > >> making the change proposed on the list. > >> > >> 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP > >> protocol > >> > >> This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, > and it was > >> difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to > >> close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that > the working > >> group could accept the following resolution: > >> > >> To provide system component interoperability, the WTP > and AC must > >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The > WTP and AC > >> MAY > >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. > >> > >> This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. > >> There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs > >> believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with > this change, > >> as circulated on the list. > >> > >> Mani, Dorothy & Margaret > >> The CAPWAP Co-Chairs > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > >> > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 13:40:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYmzy-0006bO-Mm for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:40:50 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYmzr-0006Fw-6e for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:40:50 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D6414C2005 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF5A4A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A04C398028 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms2.broadcom.com (mms2.broadcom.com [216.31.210.18]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4AF39806D for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.64.154] by mms2.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.3.1)); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 10:40:22 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: A6C4E0AE-A7F0-449F-BAE7-7FA0D737AC76 Received: by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix, from userid 47) id 74D0B2B0; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (mail-irva-8 [10.10.64.221]) by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFA42AF; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com [10.16.128.215]) by mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id FDN63156; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com (nt-sjca-0751 [10.16.192.221]) by mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA93720502; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:40:18 -0700 Message-ID: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A41035AE902@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20383185B@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets Thread-Index: AcdqQS/b9if7FR+SR02YtiBPga6E7QHOoqgAASR2L/AAAlh7oA== From: "Puneet Agarwal" To: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" , capwap@frascone.com X-WSS-ID: 6A0C4E0C3A412135104-01-01 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5f85cf2baaf973610992c2604e7b6057 Hi Pat, I am OK with the length only proposal. Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:47 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets Puneet, would you be ok with the following (using length only)? Anyone not ok with the new proposal? PatC ---- 4.2. CAPWAP Header [...] The field contains the basic format: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Length | MAC Address +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. 4.5.7. Add MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 7 for Add MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. 4.5.8. Add Station [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID | Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | VLAN Name... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 8 for Add Station Length: >= 8 Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The station's MAC Address 4.5.9. Add Static MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 9 for Add Static MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the permanent ACL. 4.5.15. Decryption Error Report [...] 0 1 2 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID |Num Of Entries | Length |MAC Address... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 15 for Decryption Error Report Length: >= 9 Radio ID: The Radio Identifier refers to an interface index on the WTP. Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: MAC addresses of the station that has caused decryption errors. 4.5.17. Delete MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 17 for Delete MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the ACL. 4.5.18. Delete Station [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID | Length | MAC Address... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 18 for Delete Station Length: >= 8 Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The station's MAC Address 4.5.19. Delete Static MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 19 for Delete Static MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the static MAC ACL entry. 4.5.21. Duplicate IPv4 Address [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Status | Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 21 for Duplicate IPv4 Address Length: >= 12 IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value MUST be set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the duplicate address has been cleared. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. 4.5.22. Duplicate IPv6 Address [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Status | Length | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 23 for Duplicate IPv6 Address Length: >= 24 IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value MUST be set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the duplicate address has been cleared. Length: The length of the MAC Address field. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:15 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets Hi Pat, It would seem to me that the right thing to do would be to have a length(8 bits), a type (8bits) and then the MAC-address followed by the padding (if any). In your proposal, the "type" implies the "length" - which does not seem the right approach (especially if one wants to encode it like a TLV). Hence I would propose the following for supporting >6 byte MAC addr (though one could flip the order of length/type): ****************** Radio MAC Address: This optional field contains the MAC address of the radio receiving the packet. This is useful in packets sent from the WTP to the AC, when the native wireless frame format is converted to 802.3 by the WTP. This field is only present if the 'M' bit is set. The HLEN field assumes 4 byte alignment, and this field MUST be padded with zeroes (0x00) if it is not 4 byte aligned. The field contains the basic format: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Length | Type | MAC Address +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Length: The number of bytes in the MAC Address field. The length field is present since some technologies (e.g., IEEE 802.16) use 64 bit MAC addresses. Type: The format of the MAC Address field. The following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. ********************** Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:11 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets All, As agreed upon during the IETF meeting in Prague, we wish to support MAC Addresses that are greater than 6 octets in length. This was believed to provide us with the most flexibility in terms of supporting future protocols. During the meeting we discussed a few optoins and agreed on using a variable length field, with an explicit length. However, I was informed that the IEEE already has assigned explicit names for the 48 and 64 octet MAC Address fields (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address for more information). Therefore, it seemed prudent to rely on these IEEE MAC Address format types, and use an enum instead of a length field. One will note that the optional Radio MAC Address header already included a length in order to allow for 64 bit MAC Addresses. That header's length field was motified to a type field. Since IEEE 802.11 only uses 48 bit MAC Addresses, there is no point in making changes to the binding specification. All changes below only apply to the base protocol. 4.2. CAPWAP Header [...] Radio MAC Address: This optional field contains the MAC address of the radio receiving the packet. This is useful in packets sent from the WTP to the AC, when the native wireless frame format is converted to 802.3 by the WTP. This field is only present if the 'M' bit is set. The HLEN field assumes 4 byte alignment, and this field MUST be padded with zeroes (0x00) if it is not 4 byte aligned. The field contains the basic format: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | MAC Address +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: The format of the MAC Address field. The following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. 4.5.7. Add MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 7 for Add MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the ACL. 4.5.8. Add Station [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID | Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | VLAN Name... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 8 for Add Station Length: >= 8 Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The station's MAC Address 4.5.9. Add Static MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 9 for Add Static MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the permanent ACL. 4.5.15. Decryption Error Report [...] 0 1 2 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID |Num Of Entries | Type |MAC Address... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 15 for Decryption Error Report Length: >= 9 Radio ID: The Radio Identifier refers to an interface index on the WTP. Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: MAC addresses of the station that has caused decryption errors. 4.5.17. Delete MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 17 for Delete MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the ACL. 4.5.18. Delete Station [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Radio ID | Type | MAC Address... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 18 for Delete Station Length: >= 8 Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The station's MAC Address 4.5.19. Delete Static MAC ACL Entry [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 19 for Delete Static MAC ACL Entry Length: >= 8 Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses fields in the array. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the static MAC ACL entry. 4.5.21. Duplicate IPv4 Address [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Status | Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 21 for Duplicate IPv4 Address Length: >= 12 IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value MUST be set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the duplicate address has been cleared. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. 4.5.22. Duplicate IPv6 Address [...] 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Status | Type | MAC Address ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 23 for Duplicate IPv6 Address Length: >= 24 IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value MUST be set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the duplicate address has been cleared. Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the following values are supported: 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. 16.3. Informational References [...] [18] IEEE, "Guidelines for use of a 48-bit Extended Unique Identifier", Dec 2005. [19] IEEE, "GUIDELINES FOR 64-BIT GLOBAL IDENTIFIER (EUI-64) REGISTRATION AUTHORITY". Pat Calhoun CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit Cisco Systems _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 15:00:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYoFL-0001qG-BN for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:00:47 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYoFF-0000ul-9L for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:00:47 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4C614C2036 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAF34A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0763A5DB2 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:00:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 23 days 04:38:35 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855243A5D42 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2010146; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:54:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A41035AE902@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A41035AE902@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:54:20 -0400 To: Puneet Agarwal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fe6e20eef2d8927c50910823cd0d1c84 I would be fine with the length-only proposal, too. Either a type or a length is fine, IMO, and either one alone is much better than including both. On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Puneet Agarwal wrote: > Hi Pat, > > I am OK with the length only proposal. > > Thanks. > > -Puneet > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:47 AM > To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses > can be > larger than 6 octets > > Puneet, would you be ok with the following (using length only)? > > Anyone not ok with the new proposal? > > PatC > ---- > > 4.2. CAPWAP Header > [...] > The field contains the basic format: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > | Length | MAC Address > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. > > 4.5.7. Add MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 7 for Add MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > 4.5.8. Add Station > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID | Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | VLAN Name... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 8 for Add Station > > Length: >= 8 > > Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The station's MAC Address > > 4.5.9. Add Static MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 9 for Add Static MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the permanent ACL. > > 4.5.15. Decryption Error Report > > [...] > > 0 1 2 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID |Num Of Entries | Length |MAC Address... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 15 for Decryption Error Report > > Length: >= 9 > > Radio ID: The Radio Identifier refers to an interface index on > the > WTP. > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: MAC addresses of the station that has caused > decryption errors. > > 4.5.17. Delete MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 17 for Delete MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the ACL. > > 4.5.18. Delete Station > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID | Length | MAC Address... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 18 for Delete Station > > Length: >= 8 > > Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The station's MAC Address > > 4.5.19. Delete Static MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 19 for Delete Static MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the static > MAC ACL entry. > > 4.5.21. Duplicate IPv4 Address > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Status | Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 21 for Duplicate IPv4 Address > > Length: >= 12 > > IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. > > Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value > MUST be > set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the > duplicate address has been cleared. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. > > 4.5.22. Duplicate IPv6 Address > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Status | Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 23 for Duplicate IPv6 Address > > Length: >= 24 > > IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. > > Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value > MUST be > set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the > duplicate address has been cleared. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:15 PM > To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses > can be > larger than 6 octets > > Hi Pat, > > It would seem to me that the right thing to do would be to have a > length(8 bits), a type (8bits) and then the MAC-address followed by > the > padding (if any). > > In your proposal, the "type" implies the "length" - which does not > seem > the right approach (especially if one wants to encode it like a TLV). > > Hence I would propose the following for supporting >6 byte MAC addr > (though one could flip the order of length/type): > ****************** > > Radio MAC Address: This optional field contains the MAC address of > the radio receiving the packet. This is useful in packets sent > from the WTP to the AC, when the native wireless frame format is > converted to 802.3 by the WTP. This field is only present if > the > 'M' bit is set. The HLEN field assumes 4 byte alignment, and > this > field MUST be padded with zeroes (0x00) if it is not 4 byte > aligned. > > The field contains the basic format: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > | Length | Type | MAC Address > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > > Length: The number of bytes in the MAC Address field. The > length > field is present since some technologies (e.g., IEEE 802.16) > use 64 bit MAC addresses. > > Type: The format of the MAC Address field. The following > values > are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. > ********************** > Thanks. > > -Puneet > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:11 AM > To: capwap@frascone.com > Subject: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be > larger than 6 octets > > All, > > As agreed upon during the IETF meeting in Prague, we wish to > support MAC > Addresses that are greater than 6 octets in length. This was > believed to > provide us with the most flexibility in terms of supporting future > protocols. During the meeting we discussed a few optoins and agreed on > using a variable length field, with an explicit length. However, I was > informed that the IEEE already has assigned explicit names for the 48 > and 64 octet MAC Address fields (see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address for more information). > Therefore, it seemed prudent to rely on these IEEE MAC Address format > types, and use an enum instead of a length field. > > One will note that the optional Radio MAC Address header already > included a length in order to allow for 64 bit MAC Addresses. That > header's length field was motified to a type field. > > Since IEEE 802.11 only uses 48 bit MAC Addresses, there is no point in > making changes to the binding specification. All changes below only > apply to the base protocol. > > > 4.2. CAPWAP Header > [...] > > Radio MAC Address: This optional field contains the MAC address of > the radio receiving the packet. This is useful in packets sent > from the WTP to the AC, when the native wireless frame format is > converted to 802.3 by the WTP. This field is only present if > the > 'M' bit is set. The HLEN field assumes 4 byte alignment, and > this > field MUST be padded with zeroes (0x00) if it is not 4 byte > aligned. > > The field contains the basic format: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 > 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > | Type | MAC Address > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > > Type: The format of the MAC Address field. The following > values > are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. > > 4.5.7. Add MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 7 for Add MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the ACL. > > 4.5.8. Add Station > [...] > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID | Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | VLAN Name... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 8 for Add Station > > Length: >= 8 > > Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The station's MAC Address > > 4.5.9. Add Static MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 9 for Add Static MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the permanent ACL. > > 4.5.15. Decryption Error Report > > [...] > > 0 1 2 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID |Num Of Entries | Type |MAC Address... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 15 for Decryption Error Report > > Length: >= 9 > > Radio ID: The Radio Identifier refers to an interface index on > the > WTP. > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: MAC addresses of the station that has caused > decryption errors. > > 4.5.17. Delete MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 17 for Delete MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the ACL. > > 4.5.18. Delete Station > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID | Type | MAC Address... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 18 for Delete Station > > Length: >= 8 > > Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The station's MAC Address > > 4.5.19. Delete Static MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 19 for Delete Static MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the static > MAC ACL entry. > > 4.5.21. Duplicate IPv4 Address > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Status | Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 21 for Duplicate IPv4 Address > > Length: >= 12 > > IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. > > Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value > MUST be > set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the > duplicate address has been cleared. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. > > 4.5.22. Duplicate IPv6 Address > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Status | Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 23 for Duplicate IPv6 Address > > Length: >= 24 > > IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. > > Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value > MUST be > set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the > duplicate address has been cleared. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. > > 16.3. Informational References > > [...] > > [18] IEEE, "Guidelines for use of a 48-bit Extended Unique > Identifier", Dec 2005. > > [19] IEEE, "GUIDELINES FOR 64-BIT GLOBAL IDENTIFIER (EUI-64) > REGISTRATION AUTHORITY". > > > > Pat Calhoun > CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit > Cisco Systems > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 15:04:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYoIz-0004lw-1n for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:04:33 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYoIw-0001QB-S5 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:04:33 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF9414491A4 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0FD4A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E616B3A5D62 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CDE3A5D1E for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Apr 2007 12:00:12 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l33J0CeP031133; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:00:12 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l33J07ML029310; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:00:12 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:00:09 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:00:08 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203831981@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets Thread-Index: Acd2IYYg80d3U7oLTrCsOqUyVErADQAAJ6cQ From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Margaret Wasserman" , "Puneet Agarwal" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2007 19:00:09.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D13B010:01C77622] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.372 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: eb4c5242518af073df6fe45f0d1cde3e If that's the case, then I believe the only actionable objection was Puneet. Scott raised a different alternative, which I do not feel comfortable with, so I'm not sure whether we have consensus or not. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:54 AM To: Puneet Agarwal Cc: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets I would be fine with the length-only proposal, too. Either a type or a length is fine, IMO, and either one alone is much better than including both. On Apr 3, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Puneet Agarwal wrote: > Hi Pat, > > I am OK with the length only proposal. > > Thanks. > > -Puneet > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:47 AM > To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can > be larger than 6 octets > > Puneet, would you be ok with the following (using length only)? > > Anyone not ok with the new proposal? > > PatC > ---- > > 4.2. CAPWAP Header > [...] > The field contains the basic format: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 > 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > | Length | MAC Address > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. > > 4.5.7. Add MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 7 for Add MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > 4.5.8. Add Station > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID | Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | VLAN Name... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 8 for Add Station > > Length: >= 8 > > Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The station's MAC Address > > 4.5.9. Add Static MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 9 for Add Static MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the permanent ACL. > > 4.5.15. Decryption Error Report > > [...] > > 0 1 2 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID |Num Of Entries | Length |MAC Address... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 15 for Decryption Error Report > > Length: >= 9 > > Radio ID: The Radio Identifier refers to an interface index on > the > WTP. > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: MAC addresses of the station that has caused > decryption errors. > > 4.5.17. Delete MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 17 for Delete MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the ACL. > > 4.5.18. Delete Station > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID | Length | MAC Address... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 18 for Delete Station > > Length: >= 8 > > Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The station's MAC Address > > 4.5.19. Delete Static MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 19 for Delete Static MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the static > MAC ACL entry. > > 4.5.21. Duplicate IPv4 Address > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Status | Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 21 for Duplicate IPv4 Address > > Length: >= 12 > > IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. > > Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value > MUST be > set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the > duplicate address has been cleared. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. > > 4.5.22. Duplicate IPv6 Address > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Status | Length | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 23 for Duplicate IPv6 Address > > Length: >= 24 > > IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. > > Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value > MUST be > set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the > duplicate address has been cleared. > > Length: The length of the MAC Address field. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:15 PM > To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap@frascone.com > Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can > be larger than 6 octets > > Hi Pat, > > It would seem to me that the right thing to do would be to have a > length(8 bits), a type (8bits) and then the MAC-address followed by > the padding (if any). > > In your proposal, the "type" implies the "length" - which does not > seem the right approach (especially if one wants to encode it like a > TLV). > > Hence I would propose the following for supporting >6 byte MAC addr > (though one could flip the order of length/type): > ****************** > > Radio MAC Address: This optional field contains the MAC address of > the radio receiving the packet. This is useful in packets sent > from the WTP to the AC, when the native wireless frame format is > converted to 802.3 by the WTP. This field is only present if > the > 'M' bit is set. The HLEN field assumes 4 byte alignment, and > this > field MUST be padded with zeroes (0x00) if it is not 4 byte > aligned. > > The field contains the basic format: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 > 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > | Length | Type | MAC Address > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > > Length: The number of bytes in the MAC Address field. The > length > field is present since some technologies (e.g., IEEE 802.16) > use 64 bit MAC addresses. > > Type: The format of the MAC Address field. The following > values > are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. > ********************** > Thanks. > > -Puneet > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:11 AM > To: capwap@frascone.com > Subject: [Capwap] Proposed text for issue 247: MAC Addresses can be > larger than 6 octets > > All, > > As agreed upon during the IETF meeting in Prague, we wish to support > MAC Addresses that are greater than 6 octets in length. This was > believed to provide us with the most flexibility in terms of > supporting future protocols. During the meeting we discussed a few > optoins and agreed on using a variable length field, with an explicit > length. However, I was informed that the IEEE already has assigned > explicit names for the 48 and 64 octet MAC Address fields (see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address for more information). > Therefore, it seemed prudent to rely on these IEEE MAC Address format > types, and use an enum instead of a length field. > > One will note that the optional Radio MAC Address header already > included a length in order to allow for 64 bit MAC Addresses. That > header's length field was motified to a type field. > > Since IEEE 802.11 only uses 48 bit MAC Addresses, there is no point in > making changes to the binding specification. All changes below only > apply to the base protocol. > > > 4.2. CAPWAP Header > [...] > > Radio MAC Address: This optional field contains the MAC address of > the radio receiving the packet. This is useful in packets sent > from the WTP to the AC, when the native wireless frame format is > converted to 802.3 by the WTP. This field is only present if > the > 'M' bit is set. The HLEN field assumes 4 byte alignment, and > this > field MUST be padded with zeroes (0x00) if it is not 4 byte > aligned. > > The field contains the basic format: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 > 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > | Type | MAC Address > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+ > > Type: The format of the MAC Address field. The following > values > are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the receiving radio. > > 4.5.7. Add MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 7 for Add MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the ACL. > > 4.5.8. Add Station > [...] > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID | Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | VLAN Name... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 8 for Add Station > > Length: >= 8 > > Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The station's MAC Address > > 4.5.9. Add Static MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 9 for Add Static MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: MAC Addresses to add to the permanent ACL. > > 4.5.15. Decryption Error Report > > [...] > > 0 1 2 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID |Num Of Entries | Type |MAC Address... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 15 for Decryption Error Report > > Length: >= 9 > > Radio ID: The Radio Identifier refers to an interface index on > the > WTP. > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: MAC addresses of the station that has caused > decryption errors. > > 4.5.17. Delete MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 17 for Delete MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the ACL. > > 4.5.18. Delete Station > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Radio ID | Type | MAC Address... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 18 for Delete Station > > Length: >= 8 > > Radio ID: An 8-bit value representing the radio > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The station's MAC Address > > 4.5.19. Delete Static MAC ACL Entry > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Num of Entries| Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 19 for Delete Static MAC ACL Entry > > Length: >= 8 > > Num of Entries: The number of instances of the Type/MAC Addresses > fields in the array. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: An array of MAC Addresses to delete from the static > MAC ACL entry. > > 4.5.21. Duplicate IPv4 Address > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Status | Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 21 for Duplicate IPv4 Address > > Length: >= 12 > > IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. > > Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value > MUST be > set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the > duplicate address has been cleared. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. > > 4.5.22. Duplicate IPv6 Address > > [...] > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | IP Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Status | Type | MAC Address ... > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Type: 23 for Duplicate IPv6 Address > > Length: >= 24 > > IP Address: The IP Address currently used by the WTP. > > Status: The status of the duplicate IP address. The value > MUST be > set to 1 when a duplicate address is detected, and 0 when the > duplicate address has been cleared. > > Type: The format of the following MAC Address field. One of the > following values are supported: > > 1 - MAC-48 or EUI-48 [18], which is a 48 bit MAC Address. > > 2 - EUI-64 [19] which is a 64 bit MAC Address. > > MAC Address: The MAC Address of the offending device. > > 16.3. Informational References > > [...] > > [18] IEEE, "Guidelines for use of a 48-bit Extended Unique > Identifier", Dec 2005. > > [19] IEEE, "GUIDELINES FOR 64-BIT GLOBAL IDENTIFIER (EUI-64) > REGISTRATION AUTHORITY". > > > > Pat Calhoun > CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit Cisco Systems > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 15:11:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYoPs-0001dd-Je for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:11:40 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYoPq-0003Mh-6k for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:11:40 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAC21449190 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A224A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECA01448011 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:11:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 23 days 04:55:36 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92D014C1F70 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2010168; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:11:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> <903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <62DB5604-84CB-4D69-B05B-E97AFA293265@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:11:22 -0400 To: Scott G Kelly X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Hi Scott, Regarding the technical details of issue #247, would you be okay with the length-address pair proposal that Puneet and Pat have reached agreement on? Would that address your concerns about version compatibility? If Scott is okay with this, is there anyone who objects to the length- address pair proposal? Or do we have consensus to make that change? Thanks, Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 18:55:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYruh-0006yi-Lu for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:55:43 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYrug-00052i-7F for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:55:43 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B41B14491CC for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FCD4A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C9239800D for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:55:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 23 days 08:39:35 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35041398028 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2010676 for capwap@frascone.com; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:55:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <3B1876A1-825F-46AB-9AAD-2BA69F4BC04C@thingmagic.com> To: capwap From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:55:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] DHCP Option Under-Specified X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Hi All, I have a few comments on the current CAPWAP protocol spec. I don't think that any of these issues are blocking problems for IEEE review, or that they should stop us from going to WGLC, but I do think that they need to be resolved before our specs can go forward for approval. I will include each of these issues in a separate message, starting with this one: Section 3.2 of the base spec refers to a "DHCP code number". There are several problems with this section, including: (1) I think that this is talking about a DHCP option. There isn't really anything called a "DHCP code number" or, as it is referred to in the IANA considerations section, a "DHCP code point". (2) A comma-delimited ASCII text string is not the usual DHCP format for options that contain a list of servers. (3) The information in this section is not sufficient to specify a new DHCP option. See the following document for an example of how a DHCP option containing a list of servers has been specified in the past: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4075.txt (4) We probably need options for both DHCP and DHCPv6. My suggestion is that we remove the text from the base document that attempts to define a new DHCP option, and we produce a document that properly defines a CAPWAP DHCP option and publish it separately. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 19:01:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYs0G-0003de-GG for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:01:28 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYs0F-0007DN-3W for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:01:28 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CFA14C2026 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25C34A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DA714C1C62 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:01:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 23 days 08:45:26 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22ACF14C1D66 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2010692 for capwap@frascone.com; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:01:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <00D955C8-A53B-48BA-8C86-996DF2FC7DFD@thingmagic.com> To: capwap From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:01:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] WBI Registry Missing from IANA Considerations X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 The base specification defines three binding identifiers: one for IEEE 802.11, one for IEEE 802.16 and one for EPCglobal. It seems likely that other bindings will be defined in the future, perhaps even by organizations outside of the IETF. Therefore, we should probably set-up an IANA registry for Wireless Binding Identifiers, with these three values as the initial contents. We would also need to determine the criteria that would be used for the allocation of new binding types. People should read RFC 2434 to understand what our choices are, so that we can have an informed discussion of this topic. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 19:27:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYsPX-0000EK-9R for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:27:35 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYsPT-0006ek-CX for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:27:35 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06E414C2010 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167C94A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F079639800F for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.arubanetworks.com (mail.arubanetworks.com [216.31.249.253]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DD9C398040 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com ([10.1.1.17]) by mail.arubanetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:27:10 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:27:09 -0700 Message-ID: <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A07A24@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102CC14@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Thread-Index: Acd17y1YRdxGn/IzQ9yDcTykggSn7wAC6UxgAAWnvmAADEz7oA== References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com><903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com><46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102CC14@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> From: "Merwyn Andrade" To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2007 23:27:10.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A5A6740:01C77647] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 07e9b4af03a165a413ec6e4d37ae537b Hi Dorothy Sorry just got to this. To be precise what I'm agreeing with Scott on is his comment " Many people on this list weren't in Prague (I would venture to guess that *most* people on this list weren't in Prague)." We debated this on the list and I'm sure this was further discussed at the face-to-face in Prague (thank you for giving it more time). My assessment from the pre-meeting conversation was that there was no-consensus on this issue and if the mailing list is a super-set of the voters rather than a limited face-to-face at Prague. Wouldn't it be logical that the list is the place we should go to for consensus? Again I'm an IETF neophyte and believe that clear articulation of one's position on lists as an individual is the best way to articulate one's position, create a public record as opposed to an anonymous room full of hands in nice exotic places (not at the size I can sponsor many of my employees to be "individuals" yet ;-). I was not aware that it would be necessary to restate/debate my position at a face-to-face meeting or would have made the trip to Prague as might have others. Thank you for your patience, but this issue is important for CAPWAP's future success in 1000's of my major enterprise customers and some of the largest in the world that are successfully using centralized encryption. I am sure there are similarly many 1000s of customers using distributed encryption. I want to give each set the option to mix-and-match WTPs from other vendors ACs via a interoperable CAPWAP protocol. BTW I also support distributed encryption in my product (so I have clear visibility into how easy both of these are to support in an actual implementation) so I believe it is just FUD when folks say this is too complicated (they have not done this in working code so forgive me if I'm skeptical). As I have argued on the list the functionality and security properties between centralized encryption WTP implementations v/s distributed are clearly different as evidenced when I referred you all to the DoD 8100.2 policy around end-to-end and supported by comments from Charles. These have also documented in drafts by our security advisors Scott and Charles. Making centralized encryption optional from the baseline mandatory-to-implement will prevent my DoD customers from mix and matching COTS (commercial off the shelf gear - what they are looking for) gear and makes "baseline" CAPWAP useless for them. I can understand why my competitors would like to prevent me from proving that centralized encryption is better by claiming they didn't support it in their WTPs since it wasn't part of the baseline to keep a lock on their WTPs for their customers but let's remember the customers we are building this "interoperable mix-and-match protocol" for as opposed to parochial vendor interests. Let's give the market the opportunity to choose between the two and CAPWAP will have a chance. Thank you for your time. Regards Merv Merwyn (Merv) Andrade CTO, Aruba Networks merv@arubanetworks.com -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:13 AM To: Merwyn Andrade; scott@hyperthought.com; margaret@thingmagic.com Cc: capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249,#250, #251 & #252 Hi Merv, If when you say "agree with Scott and feel the same way about #138, you are implying that issue 138 (encryption/decryption at WTP/AC) was not discussed in detail at the F2F in Prague, I would have to disagree with that statement. Issue 138 had the majority of the WG's time, the discussion on the list was recaped by slides created and presented by the chairs, and both sides of the issue were argued by the chairs. Everyone at the F2f had the opportunity, again, to debate the issue. In addition, we held several show of hands and the results were the same and reflected in the Editor's summary posted on 3/19 and again in our consensus call posted yesterday. As the consensus check is still active until April 9th, the WG still has time to comment on the WG's resolution, but the issue will close on April 9th. Best Regards, Dorothy > From: ext Merwyn Andrade [mailto:mandrade@arubanetworks.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:29 AM > To: Scott G Kelly; Margaret Wasserman > Cc: capwap; Gellert Dorothy (Nokia-SIR/MtView) > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, > #247, #248, #249,#250, #251 & #252 > > Margaret/Mani/Dorothy > I agree with Scott and feel the same way about #138 > (encryption/decryption at WTP/AC) which was clearly debated > on the list and yet we deemed we had arrived at consensus for > making it optional on the WTP after the meeting at Prague > (which I unfortunately could not attend). > Merv > > Merwyn (Merv) Andrade > CTO, Aruba Networks > merv@arubanetworks.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott G Kelly [mailto:scott@hyperthought.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:51 AM > To: Margaret Wasserman > Cc: capwap; Dorothy Gellert > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, > #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 > > I don't recall any detailed discussion of 247 in Prague, and > in any event, whatever judgement you might have of the > consensus there, it seems like this particular thread should > be a consensus *call* on each of these issues, shouldn't it? > Many people on this list weren't in Prague (I would venture > to guess that *most* people on this list weren't in Prague). > > As for 247, I am inclined to agree with Puneet. Since the > declaration following the interim meeting was that the > version number would only be incremented for major changes in > the protocol (which this would not represent), then it seems > clear that there could be two implementations professing to > support the same version number, one of which did not > recognize this payload, and would have to fail entirely if it > received it. That seems broken to me. > > The alternative, of course, is to revisit the version number > construction, and have a minor version field which is > incremented whenever payload types are added or modified. > > Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > Hi Puneet, > > > > The consensus call for issue #247 was not based simply on > the e-mail > > exchange between you and Pat Calhoun. We had general agreement in > > Prague to pursue a type-address approach to resolve this > issue, so we > > > would need to see sufficient support for your type-length-address > > triplet proposal to override the group consensus from > Prague. So far, > > you are the only person who has supported your type-length- address > > triplet proposal, and that is not sufficient to override the > > consensus. > > > > FWIW, I do agree that people should think about the > trade-offs between > > different technical proposals. If they believe that a type- > > length-address triplet would be a superior technical approach, > > considering all factors such as extensibility and efficiency, they > > should say that on the list. Otherwise, the assumption is that the > > group continues to agree with the consensus we reached in Prague to > > use a type-address pair. > > > > Please let us know if you have any further concerns about this > > consensus call. > > > > Margaret > > > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Puneet Agarwal wrote: > > > >> Hi Margaret, > >> > >> Regarding issue 247, one pro and one alternate proposal does not > >> sound like a consensus to me. The issue is of protocol > extensibility > >> and fwd/backward compatibility not so much about > correctness (as both > >> solutions do the right thing). It is very painful to change these > >> things once they get cast in an rfc hence the group should > think hard > >> about extensible protocol design. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Puneet > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from my handheld enabled by Broadcom EDGE/GPRS/GSM > Processor and > >> Bluetooth Technologies (www.broadcom.com) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > >> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 07:25 PM Pacific Standard Time > >> To: capwap > >> Cc: Dorothy Gellert > >> Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, > > >> #249, #250, #251 & #252 > >> > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we > discussed 8 > >> issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an > >> attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all > >> eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the > >> CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April > >> 10th. > >> > >> Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on > APRIL 9th, > >> 2007. > >> > >> Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that > the agreed > >> resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and > that there > >> has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the > >> mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in > order to > >> allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a > >> strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on > one or more > >> of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend > the consensus > >> call for those issues to two weeks. > >> > >> Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that > the editors > >> will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if > >> there is any objection to closing the three issues listed > below after > >> the corresponding editorial changes have been made. > >> > >> 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. > >> 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ > >> DTLSIncomingSession > >> 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined > >> > >> The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on > the list, > >> but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an > >> oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and > >> recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and > there has > >> been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any > objection > >> before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the > editors, and > >> the issue will be closed. > >> > >> 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? > >> > >> There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: > >> > >> 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets > >> > >> For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle > 8-byte MAC > >> addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be > >> flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general > agreement > >> in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a > >> type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March > >> 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an > >> objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address > >> triplet. No one else has offered support for the > type-length-address > >> triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough > consensus > >> to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. > >> > >> 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP > >> > >> There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the > >> mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. > >> Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and > >> there has been no objection. There was a question about > CAPWAP's use > >> of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened > to clarify > >> that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs > believe that the > >> group has consensus to make the changes circulated on > March 19th to > >> address this issue. > >> > >> 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential > >> > >> There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be > fixed. Proposed > >> text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no > >> objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the > >> chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by > >> making the change proposed on the list. > >> > >> 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP > >> protocol > >> > >> This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, > and it was > >> difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to > >> close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that > the working > >> group could accept the following resolution: > >> > >> To provide system component interoperability, the WTP > and AC must > >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The > WTP and AC > >> MAY > >> support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. > >> > >> This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. > >> There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs > >> believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with > this change, > >> as circulated on the list. > >> > >> Mani, Dorothy & Margaret > >> The CAPWAP Co-Chairs > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > >> > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 19:49:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYslA-0001tS-5p for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:49:56 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYsl7-0006sm-M7 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:49:56 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F50A3A5C0D for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606954A4090 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399C3398028 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 23 days 09:33:55 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6461D39801B for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2010713; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:49:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A07A24@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com><903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com><46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102CC14@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A07A24@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:49:42 -0400 To: Merwyn Andrade X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap@frascone.com, Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Hi Merv, In this message, I'll respond to the process points that you've raised. I do have some personal response to your technical comments, but I will include those comments in a separate message, in the hopes of avoiding any confusion between what I am saying a chair and what I am saying as an individual. On Apr 3, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: > Sorry just got to this. > To be precise what I'm agreeing with Scott on is his comment > " Many people on this list weren't in Prague (I would venture to guess > that *most* people on this list weren't in Prague)." > We debated this on the list and I'm sure this was further discussed at > the face-to-face in Prague (thank you for giving it more time). My > assessment from the pre-meeting conversation was that there was > no-consensus on this issue and if the mailing list is a super-set > of the > voters rather than a limited face-to-face at Prague. Wouldn't it be > logical that the list is the place we should go to for consensus? It is true that many members of the WG were not in Prague. However, there were a significant number of people present in Prague, and it is likely that some of them may not be reading the mailing list right now. That's why the IETF process requires that we consider people in both venues -- the people who express an opinion in the meeting AND the people who express an opinion on the list, not just one or the other. The people who were at the meeting expressed their opinions in Prague. The consensus text from the meeting was circulated on the list two weeks ago, and people on the list could have commented on it or asked questions about it, but few did. Now, this is the formal consensus confirmation on the list, where people who could not be at the meeting should let us know if they do not agree with the consensus that was reached at the meeting. > Again I'm an IETF neophyte and believe that clear articulation of > one's > position on lists as an individual is the best way to articulate one's > position, create a public record as opposed to an anonymous room > full of > hands in nice exotic places (not at the size I can sponsor many of my > employees to be "individuals" yet ;-). I was not aware that it > would be > necessary to restate/debate my position at a face-to-face meeting or > would have made the trip to Prague as might have others. You can certainly influence an IETF WG by stating your opinions via e- mail and participating only on the mailing list. However, we also hold discussions and reach tentative conclusions (to be confirmed on the list) during face-to-face meetings. There are types of discussions that are best held in face-to-face meetings, where people can have a quicker back and forth than on the mailing list, and people who want to participate in those face-to-face discussions need to attend the meetings to do so. We'd certainly be happy to have you at a CAPWAP meeting if/when you are able to attend. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 20:49:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYth7-00019P-TT for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:49:49 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYth6-0006xX-Cx for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:49:49 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC78E39809C for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6FF4A40A6 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A83398040 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 23 days 10:33:50 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F8E39801B for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2010732; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:49:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A07A24@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com><903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com><46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102CC14@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A07A24@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:49:36 -0400 To: Merwyn Andrade X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap@frascone.com, Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 Hi Merv, Here is the message where I am responding as an individual to the technical portions of your message. The above notation is pseudo-XML shorthand for the chair taking his/her hat off, which means that I am now speaking as an individual. On Apr 3, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: > As I have argued on the list the functionality and security properties > between centralized encryption WTP implementations v/s distributed are > clearly different as evidenced when I referred you all to the DoD > 8100.2 > policy around end-to-end and supported by comments from Charles. These > have also documented in drafts by our security advisors Scott and > Charles. Making centralized encryption optional from the baseline > mandatory-to-implement will prevent my DoD customers from mix and > matching COTS (commercial off the shelf gear - what they are looking > for) gear and makes "baseline" CAPWAP useless for them. I've heard this argument before, but I don't really understand it. Regardless of what decision we make about Issue #138, a "baseline" CAPWAP implementation does not have to support centralized encryption, because a "baseline" CAPWAP implementation does not have to support split-MAC mode at all. Any customer who wants to use centralized encryption would already have to specify one option (split-MAC), so I don't understand why it would be a problem for them specify two options. I understand that the U.S. DoD may end-up requiring the centralized encryption option if/when they decide to use CAPWAP. If they do specify centralized encryption, then vendors who want to sell to the DoD will provide equipment that implements it. I don't think that the U.S. DoD is any less likely to specify (or purchase) equipment that supports their preferred security model, just because that model is listed as optional in the IETF's CAPWAP specification. Do you? Let me share some of my reasoning about why I personally think it makes sense for the distributed model to be mandatory in both modes, and for the centralized encryption model to be optional. In local-MAC mode, the only available security model is the "distributed model" where the 802.11 encryption terminates at the WTP. There was strong agreement in Prague that it also made sense to make this model mandatory on both ends in split-MAC mode, since both ends will already have the software and hardware to support this model in local-MAC mode. In the past, we reached strong agreement that we would not mandate centralized encryption on the AC side, as many current ACs do not have hardware support for encryption, and we do not want to add that hardware requirement to all future ACs. So, there will be CAPWAP- compliant hardware that does not support centralized encryption. I don't see why it makes sense to require all WTPs to support centralized encryption, when many of them may be controlled by ACs that are incapable of supporting that mode. So, I think it makes sense to for the centralized encryption model to be optional on both ends. > I can understand why my competitors would like to prevent me from > proving that centralized encryption is better by claiming they didn't > support it in their WTPs since it wasn't part of the baseline to > keep a > lock on their WTPs for their customers but let's remember the > customers > we are building this "interoperable mix-and-match protocol" for as > opposed to parochial vendor interests. IMO, it is not a goal of the IETF to mandate a technology so that the proponents of that technology can prove that it is better... I think it should be our goal to write a specification that will interoperate and that contains a minimal base set of features that will serve a fairly large percentage of the target end-users. We may also choose to include additional options, so that the protocol can serve a wider group of end-users, with the hope that it can be more widely deployed. I personally think that a specification that mandates support for the distributed security model in both local-MAC and split-MAC modes and allows the centralized encryption model as an option for split-MAC mode meets those goals. In my experience, a technology never becomes successful because it is mandated by the IETF. A technology becomes successful because it solves the customer's problems better than other available technologies. If it is true that centralized encryption is a better solution than distributed encryption for the majority of end-users, I believe that end-users will demand that the it is supported in the products they purchase, whether we mandate support for the centralized encryption model or not. And frankly, if vendors do not see customer demand for a specific feature, they won't implement it, even if we do try to mandate it. 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dhcp-dic send # cat ini.inc dhcp-dic send # From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 03 21:30:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYuKV-0000Ji-QD for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:30:31 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYuKQ-0000WT-Oz for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:30:31 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7B0398827 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE914A40A6 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4282C39801B for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web62411.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web62411.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.75.88]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F6CE398022 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 90063 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2007 01:30:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MBB7N2wVM1l6rI.5dp8QDLvnHfCxk7d6y8p0KexRYKmg1T0xXX4od.2Qgw5FBjQtxsXyjj2l1V52bRz4A53l2xpIjBrXbKyJjPnv Received: from [128.107.248.220] by web62411.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:30:06 EST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/476 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.8 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:30:06 +1000 (EST) From: Abhijit Choudhury To: margaret@thingmagic.com, capwap@frascone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <336185.88984.qm@web62411.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.815 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Level: ** Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Abhijit Choudhury List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1210229445==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 86f85b2f88b0d50615aed44a7f9e33c7 --===============1210229445== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1692248804-1175650206=:88984" --0-1692248804-1175650206=:88984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii I completely agree with Margaret. In fact, that was exactly what I had argued in Prague. The only mandatory mode in CAPWAP is the local mode. Local mode requires support for 802.11i encryption at the WTP. Since split-MAC mode itself is optional, it makes very little sense to make something that is required by split-MAC to be mandatory. Any vendor who implements the split-MAC mode will select the the options that go with it. And if customers demand either centralized encryption or encryption at the WTP or both, the equipment vendors will implement it. Ultimately, customer demand will drive this. Regards, Abhijit ----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:50 PM To: Merwyn Andrade Cc: capwap@frascone.com; Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249,#250, #251 & #252 Hi Merv, Here is the message where I am responding as an individual to the technical portions of your message. The above notation is pseudo-XML shorthand for the chair taking his/her hat off, which means that I am now speaking as an individual. On Apr 3, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: > As I have argued on the list the functionality and security properties > between centralized encryption WTP implementations v/s distributed are > clearly different as evidenced when I referred you all to the DoD > 8100.2 > policy around end-to-end and supported by comments from Charles. These > have also documented in drafts by our security advisors Scott and > Charles. Making centralized encryption optional from the baseline > mandatory-to-implement will prevent my DoD customers from mix and > matching COTS (commercial off the shelf gear - what they are looking > for) gear and makes "baseline" CAPWAP useless for them. I've heard this argument before, but I don't really understand it. Regardless of what decision we make about Issue #138, a "baseline" CAPWAP implementation does not have to support centralized encryption, because a "baseline" CAPWAP implementation does not have to support split-MAC mode at all. Any customer who wants to use centralized encryption would already have to specify one option (split-MAC), so I don't understand why it would be a problem for them specify two options. I understand that the U.S. DoD may end-up requiring the centralized encryption option if/when they decide to use CAPWAP. If they do specify centralized encryption, then vendors who want to sell to the DoD will provide equipment that implements it. I don't think that the U.S. DoD is any less likely to specify (or purchase) equipment that supports their preferred security model, just because that model is listed as optional in the IETF's CAPWAP specification. Do you? Let me share some of my reasoning about why I personally think it makes sense for the distributed model to be mandatory in both modes, and for the centralized encryption model to be optional. In local-MAC mode, the only available security model is the "distributed model" where the 802.11 encryption terminates at the WTP. There was strong agreement in Prague that it also made sense to make this model mandatory on both ends in split-MAC mode, since both ends will already have the software and hardware to support this model in local-MAC mode. In the past, we reached strong agreement that we would not mandate centralized encryption on the AC side, as many current ACs do not have hardware support for encryption, and we do not want to add that hardware requirement to all future ACs. So, there will be CAPWAP- compliant hardware that does not support centralized encryption. I don't see why it makes sense to require all WTPs to support centralized encryption, when many of them may be controlled by ACs that are incapable of supporting that mode. So, I think it makes sense to for the centralized encryption model to be optional on both ends. > I can understand why my competitors would like to prevent me from > proving that centralized encryption is better by claiming they didn't > support it in their WTPs since it wasn't part of the baseline to keep > a lock on their WTPs for their customers but let's remember the > customers we are building this "interoperable mix-and-match protocol" > for as opposed to parochial vendor interests. IMO, it is not a goal of the IETF to mandate a technology so that the proponents of that technology can prove that it is better... I think it should be our goal to write a specification that will interoperate and that contains a minimal base set of features that will serve a fairly large percentage of the target end-users. We may also choose to include additional options, so that the protocol can serve a wider group of end-users, with the hope that it can be more widely deployed. I personally think that a specification that mandates support for the distributed security model in both local-MAC and split-MAC modes and allows the centralized encryption model as an option for split-MAC mode meets those goals. In my experience, a technology never becomes successful because it is mandated by the IETF. A technology becomes successful because it solves the customer's problems better than other available technologies. If it is true that centralized encryption is a better solution than distributed encryption for the majority of end-users, I believe that end-users will demand that the it is supported in the products they purchase, whether we mandate support for the centralized encryption model or not. And frankly, if vendors do not see customer demand for a specific feature, they won't implement it, even if we do try to mandate it. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail --0-1692248804-1175650206=:88984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii
I completely agree with Margaret. In fact, that was exactly
what I had argued in Prague.
 
The only mandatory mode in CAPWAP is the local mode. Local mode
requires support for 802.11i encryption at the WTP.
Since split-MAC mode itself is optional, it makes very little
sense to make something that is required by split-MAC to be
mandatory.
 
Any vendor who implements the split-MAC mode will select the
the options that go with it. And if customers demand either
centralized encryption or encryption at the WTP or both,
the equipment vendors will implement it.
Ultimately, customer demand will drive this.

 
Regards,
Abhijit
 
----Original Message-----
From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 5:50 PM
To: Merwyn Andrade
Cc: capwap@frascone.com; Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com
Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248,
#249,#250, #251 & #252


Hi Merv,

<chair hat=off>

Here is the message where I am responding as an individual to the
technical portions of your message.  The above notation is pseudo-XML
shorthand for the chair taking his/her hat off, which means that I am
now speaking as an individual.

On Apr 3, 2007, at 7:27 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote:

> As I have argued on the list the functionality and security properties

> between centralized encryption WTP implementations v/s distributed are

> clearly different as evidenced when I referred you all to the DoD
> 8100.2
> policy around end-to-end and supported by comments from Charles. These

> have also documented in drafts by our security advisors Scott and
> Charles. Making centralized encryption optional from the baseline
> mandatory-to-implement will prevent my DoD customers from mix and
> matching COTS (commercial off the shelf gear - what they are looking
> for) gear and makes "baseline" CAPWAP useless for them.

I've heard this argument before, but  I don't really understand it.    
Regardless of what decision we make about Issue #138, a "baseline"  
CAPWAP implementation does not have to support centralized encryption,
because a "baseline" CAPWAP implementation does not have to support
split-MAC mode at all.  Any customer who wants to use centralized
encryption would already have to specify one option (split-MAC), so I
don't understand why it would be a problem for them specify two options.

I understand that the U.S. DoD may end-up requiring the centralized
encryption option if/when they decide to use CAPWAP.  If they do specify
centralized encryption, then vendors who want to sell to the DoD will
provide equipment that implements it.  I don't think that the U.S. DoD
is any less likely to specify (or purchase) equipment that supports
their preferred security model, just because that model is listed as
optional in the IETF's CAPWAP specification.  Do you?

Let me share some of my reasoning about why I personally think it makes
sense for the distributed model to be mandatory in both modes, and for
the centralized encryption model to be optional.

In local-MAC mode, the only available security model is the "distributed
model" where the 802.11 encryption terminates at the WTP.  There was
strong agreement in Prague that it also made sense to make this model
mandatory on both ends in split-MAC mode, since both ends will already
have the software and hardware to support this model in local-MAC mode.

In the past, we reached strong agreement that we would not mandate
centralized encryption on the AC side, as many current ACs do not have
hardware support for encryption, and we do not want to add that hardware
requirement to all future ACs.  So, there will be CAPWAP- compliant
hardware that does not support centralized encryption.  I don't see why
it makes sense to require all WTPs to support centralized encryption,
when many of them may be controlled by ACs that are incapable of
supporting that mode.  So, I think it makes sense to for the centralized
encryption model to be optional on both ends.

> I can understand why my competitors would like to prevent me from
> proving that centralized encryption is better by claiming they didn't
> support it in their WTPs since it wasn't part of the baseline to keep
> a lock on their WTPs for their customers but let's remember the
> customers we are building this "interoperable mix-and-match protocol"
> for as opposed to parochial vendor interests.

IMO, it is not a goal of the IETF to mandate a technology so that the
proponents of that technology can prove that it is better...

I think it should be our goal to write a specification that will
interoperate and that contains a minimal base set of features that will
serve a fairly large percentage of the target end-users.  We may also
choose to include additional options, so that the protocol can serve a
wider group of end-users, with the hope that it can be more  
widely deployed.   I personally think that a specification that  
mandates support for the distributed security model in both local-MAC
and split-MAC modes and allows the centralized encryption model as an
option for split-MAC mode meets those goals.

In my experience, a technology never becomes successful because it is
mandated by the IETF.  A technology becomes successful because it solves
the customer's problems better than other available technologies.  If it
is true that centralized encryption is a better solution than
distributed encryption for the majority of end-users, I believe that
end-users will demand that the it is supported in the products they
purchase, whether we mandate support for the centralized encryption
model or not.  And frankly, if vendors do not see customer demand for a
specific feature, they won't implement it, even if we do try to mandate
it.

</chair>

Margaret

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As a result, we'll be moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and decide what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open issue against the CAPWAP drafts.=20 Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the interim meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on the WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 in this message: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either way, before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the discussion was lost inside a discussion of related issues. The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and discuss the following alternatives on the WG list:=20 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations 2) Reject the proposed optimizations 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a bug fix) for future consideration. Best Regards, Mani, Margaret and Dorothy ------_=_NextPart_001_01C776E7.8E352A08 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to = Active Issues Database

Dear WG,

While reviewing the recently = closed issues, it appears that Issue 244, Preamble Header Optimization, = was mistakenly moved to the Wish list without a clear decision from the = WG to do so.  As a result, we'll be moving issue 244 from the Wish = list back into the "features" section of the database, so that = the WG can further discuss this issue and decide what to do about = it.  Issue 244 should be considered an open issue against the = CAPWAP drafts.

Issue 244 was discussed on the = list under issue 224 before the interim meeting, during the Interim = meeting and again further discussed on the WG list.  The proposed = solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 in this message:  = http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html<= /A>

It does not appear that the WG = made a decision on this issue either way, before it was moved to the = Wish list, possibly because the discussion was lost inside a discussion = of related issues.

The WG should consider the = proposed solution for Issue 244, and discuss the following alternatives = on the WG list:

1) Adopt the proposed = optimizations
2) Reject the proposed = optimizations
3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish = list (as this is an optimization, not a bug fix) for future = consideration.


Best Regards,
Mani, Margaret and = Dorothy

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urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503DA627D@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2036B2D4E@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite Thread-Index: AcdqCJM+naA6ZyRBSQGEnm6VOgiJSAM66sNA References: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2036B2D4E@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2007 20:05:26.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[95FECCB0:01C776F4] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.372 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 In addition, the text and packet format figures in Section 4 need to be updated to include UDP or UDP-Lite. Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 249: IPv6 UDP Lite All, In the event that the WG agrees that we are to proceed with this change, I would like to submit proposed text to the list. As discussed on the mailing list previously, UDP-Lite would be restricted to IPv6. Yes, it does have some NAT transversal issues, which is why some text was added to the NAT Considerations section. However, there are no IPv6 NATs today, so there is nothing legacy broken in this proposal. Note that I also added the proper reference to UDP number assignment in the IANA considerations as well. 3. CAPWAP Transport Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the standard UDP client/server model. The CAPWAP protocol supports two different transport protocols. When used over IPv4, the UDP protocol is utilized. When CAPWAP is used over IPv6, the UDP-Lite RFC 3828 [13] is used. This section details the specifics of how the CAPWAP protocol works with IP. 3.1. UDP Transport One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device. Since the connection is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well- known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical choice. The UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be set to zero. CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. 3.2. UDP-Lite Transport When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, the UDP-Lite is used as the transport. The reason for using UDP-Lite is because when UDP is run over IPv6, it MUST NOT have its checksum field set to zero, which increases the processing cost for each CAPWAP packet. When UDP-Lite is used, the checksum field MUST have a coverage of 8 RFC 3828 [13]. As defined in RFC 3828 [13], UDP-Lite uses the same port assignments as UDP. [...] 11. NAT Considerations [...] When CAPWAP is run over IPv6, NAT support can only be provided if the IPv6 NAT system is capable of performing address translation over the UDP-Lite 3828 protocol [13]. [...] 14. IANA Considerations A separate UDP port for data channel communications is (currently) the selected demultiplexing mechanism, and a port must be assigned for this purpose in section Section 3.1. The UDP port numbers are listed by IANA at http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers. Pat Calhoun CTO, Wireless Networking Business Unit Cisco Systems _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 04 16:09:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZBnB-0006d9-CL for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:09:17 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZBmq-0005Zg-IH for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:09:17 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D828B3A5A9B for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974E94A408E for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6A21449130 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39861144918A for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Apr 2007 12:57:22 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34JvM8w004773; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:57:22 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l34JvDMT025580; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:57:22 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.124]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:57:14 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:57:13 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503DA626F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 Thread-Index: Acd28nW4v2uiooCBTSGmGO73OR/l9QAAEErg From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: "capwap" , "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" , "Puneet Agarwal" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2007 19:57:14.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[70974200:01C776F3] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1668365473==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 089da5e32269fece1072c9ff54523f20 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1668365473== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C776F3.704C625D" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C776F3.704C625D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a number of places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to fix. I also noticed that in the spec, we start using "data channel" and "control channel" without defining what they are. =20 I propose the following changes: =20 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) =20 CAPWAP Control Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control =20 packets are sent. =20 CAPWAP Data Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets=20 are sent. =20 2. In Section 3.1 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP,=20 the source and destination ports are reversed. 3. In Section 4.1 Replace Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the data UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 With Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the channel it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 =20 4. In Section 4.3 Replace Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel UDP port. With Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel. Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C776F3.704C625D Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a = number=20 of
places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to=20 fix.
I also noticed = that in the=20 spec, we start using "data channel"
and "control channel" without defining what they=20 are.
 
I propose the = following=20 changes:
 
1. Add the = following to=20 Terminology (Section 1.4)         CAPWAP Control=20 Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20        =20 WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which=20 CAPWAP control  =        =20 packets are sent.         &n= bsp;=20 CAPWAP Data Channel:  A connection defined = by=20 (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,        =20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data = packets=20         = are=20 sent.
 
=
2. In Section 3.1
    = Replace

        CAP= WAP=20 protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC=20 use
        wel= l known=20 UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol=20 data
        pac= kets sent=20 between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
        ass= igned].

    With
       &nb= sp;=20 CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC=20 use
         = well known=20 UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any
       &nb= sp; port=20 selected by the implementation at the=20 WTP. CAPWAP protocol = data
         = packets=20 sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be = IANA
         = assigned] at the=20 AC and any port selected by the implementation       =20    at the WTP. In either case, for packets = sent by=20 the AC to the WTP, 
         = the source=20 and destination ports are reversed.

3. In Section=20 4.1     Replace          Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:
 
          0=20 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the data UDP=20 port,
          &nbs= p; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the control UDP port, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.
 
          1=20 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).       = With          Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:
 
          0=20 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data=20 channel,
          &= nbsp; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.
 
          1=20 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the channel it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).     4. In Section=20 4.3    Replace      =20 Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel=20 UDP port.   =20 With     =20   Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data=20 channel.
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
 
  ------_=_NextPart_001_01C776F3.704C625D-- --===============1668365473== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============1668365473==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 04 16:24:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZC1x-00037x-Er for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:24:33 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZC1u-00072y-85 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:24:33 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2052398068 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8731E4A408E for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6528A398012 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B99139802B for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Apr 2007 13:24:18 -0700 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34KOINe032684 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:24:18 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l34KOBFM020899 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:24:17 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.124]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:24:15 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:24:15 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503DA6298@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503DA626F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 Thread-Index: Acd28nW4v2uiooCBTSGmGO73OR/l9QAAEErgAAEKnzA= References: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503DA626F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2007 20:24:15.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[37413B10:01C776F7] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.373 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1673656307==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b656e85d4d33f5403d96bac6146425d9 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1673656307== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C776F7.3721DD1F" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C776F7.3721DD1F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Typo in text below. Should read: =20 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) =20 CAPWAP Control Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 IP Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which=20 CAPWAP control packets are sent. =20 CAPWAP Data Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 IP Protocol, WTP-Data-Layer4Port, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets are sent. Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM To: capwap; Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a number of places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to fix. I also noticed that in the spec, we start using "data channel" and "control channel" without defining what they are. =20 I propose the following changes: =20 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) =20 CAPWAP Control Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control =20 packets are sent. =20 CAPWAP Data Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets=20 are sent. =20 2. In Section 3.1 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP,=20 the source and destination ports are reversed. 3. In Section 4.1 Replace Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the data UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 With Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the channel it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 =20 4. In Section 4.3 Replace Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel UDP port. With Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel. Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C776F7.3721DD1F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Typo in text below. Should = read:
 
1. Add the = following to=20 Terminology (Section 1.4)
        CAPWAP Control=20 Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20        &nbs= p;IP Protocol, = WTP-Control-Layer4Port,=20 AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which        =20 CAPWAP control packets are sent.         &n= bsp;=20 CAPWAP Data Channel:  A connection defined = by=20 (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,        &nbs= p;IP Protocol, = WTP-Data-Layer4Port,=20 AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which        =20 CAPWAP data packets are=20 sent.
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
 
 

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM
To: = capwap; Pat=20 Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal
Subject: Re: [Capwap] = Proposed Text=20 for Issue 254

While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a = number=20 of
places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to=20 fix.
I also noticed = that in the=20 spec, we start using "data channel" and "control channel" without defining what they=20 are.   I propose the = following=20 changes:   1. Add the = following to=20 Terminology (Section 1.4)         CAPWAP Control=20 Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20        =20 WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which=20 CAPWAP control  =        =20 packets are sent.         &n= bsp;=20 CAPWAP Data Channel:  A connection defined = by=20 (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,        =20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data = packets=20         = are=20 sent.
 
=
2. In Section 3.1
    = Replace

        CAP= WAP=20 protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC=20 use
        wel= l known=20 UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol=20 data
        pac= kets sent=20 between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
        ass= igned].

    With
       &nb= sp;=20 CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC=20 use
         = well known=20 UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any
       &nb= sp; port=20 selected by the implementation at the=20 WTP. CAPWAP protocol = data
         = packets=20 sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be = IANA
         = assigned] at the=20 AC and any port selected by the implementation       =20    at the WTP. In either case, for packets = sent by=20 the AC to the WTP, 
         = the source=20 and destination ports are reversed.

3. In Section=20 4.1     Replace          Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:
 
          0=20 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the data UDP=20 port,
          &nbs= p; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the control UDP port, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.
 
          1=20 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).       = With          Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:
 
          0=20 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data=20 channel,
          &= nbsp; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.
 
          1=20 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the channel it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).     4. In Section=20 4.3    Replace      =20 Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel=20 UDP port.   =20 With     =20   Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data=20 channel.
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
 
  ------_=_NextPart_001_01C776F7.3721DD1F-- --===============1673656307== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============1673656307==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 04 20:32:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZFti-0008PQ-TM for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:32:18 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZFtf-0005qY-37 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:32:18 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1B214C200C for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A0A4A40AE for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E309144827B for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:32:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 00:21:39 ago Received: from trpz.com (unknown [66.7.225.38]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B946214C1ED2 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.21.20.126]) by trpz.com (8.13.5/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l350ADxM011004; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:10:16 -0700 Message-ID: <46143E65.1020306@trapezenetworks.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:10:13 -0700 From: Jim Murphy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com References: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102D4EB@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102D4EB@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net, capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca I support adopting the proposed optimizations. Thanks, Jim Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com wrote: > Dear WG, > > While reviewing the recently closed issues, it appears that Issue 244, > Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly moved to the Wish list > without a clear decision from the WG to do so. As a result, we'll be > moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section of > the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and decide > what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open issue > against the CAPWAP drafts. > > Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the interim > meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on the > WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 in > this message: _http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html_ > > It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either way, > before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the discussion > was lost inside a discussion of related issues. > > The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and discuss > the following alternatives on the WG list: > > 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations > 2) Reject the proposed optimizations > 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a > bug fix) for future consideration. > > > Best Regards, > Mani, Margaret and Dorothy > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 04 20:33:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZFuP-0000em-WA for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:33:02 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZFuL-0005tb-Bd for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:33:01 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1231F14491AB for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4439F4A40AE for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29796144910B for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.arubanetworks.com (mail.arubanetworks.com [216.31.249.253]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6ECBB144827B for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com ([10.1.1.17]) by mail.arubanetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:32:43 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:32:42 -0700 Message-ID: <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A08050@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <1C59AFB0-88BF-4DF3-BEC9-B1C21A3E231E@thingmagic.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Thread-Index: Acd2BB06lJjqlyMKR0yymjceFEratgBEQrfA References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com><903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <1C59AFB0-88BF-4DF3-BEC9-B1C21A3E231E@thingmagic.com> From: "Merwyn Andrade" To: "Margaret Wasserman" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2007 00:32:43.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED000E00:01C77719] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7e439b86d3292ef5adf93b694a43a576 Margaret Sorry just got back from travel and couldn't get to this sooner. Thanks for your comments, your last two posts clarified your position and what transpired at Prague. I missed the split-MAC being optional piece. That is indeed very unfortunate for the baseline CAPWAP standard since the majority of the switch architectures out there (accounting for > 90% of market-share) employ exactly that model. To your point about " If you strongly disagree with the decision to make WTP support for centralized encryption optional (which isn't entirely clear from your message), you should send a message to the list expressing your disagreement with that decision. It would be ideal if you could also state why you disagree with the decision and what you think we should do instead." I strongly disagree with the decision and reasons are as follows: Today the market has migrated to a model where folks pick a system AC and WTP from the same vendor. In any of these WLAN switch architecture based systems, the WTP follows the lead of the AC. With my comment above about the majority of vendors doing split-MAC it stands to reason that the only way customers would maintain flexibility in choosing their ACs (centralized or dist encryption supporting) and leverage a open-standards based CAPWAP would be to have WTPs that support both (centralized and distributed encryption support). See further data to prove this below. To your point about "This was a difficult situation for the WG, because both choices are technically viable, and there are very few (if any) strong technical criteria that we could use to decide which should be mandatory and which should be optional on each end." IMHO this is the wrong question. This is not about technical criteria but about the group ensuring that the baseline CAPWAP standard measures up to some sensible least-common-denominator high-bar of market reality. If we don't do this no one adopts it, or the vendors who want to do bake-offs with a claim to adopt/support it are really doing so only for the RFP checkoffs and are not really interested in their WTPs being interoperable and being managed by other SM-based-ACs out there. Is this what you want as chairs of this WG ? Pick your favorite market share report ..I list one as informational (just to make my point) http://www.infonetics.com/resources/purple.shtml?ms07.wl.4q06.nr.shtml The Top 5 vendors with switch market share (you can read through the technical docs to figure out where encryption is performed ..this is not a secret) C-Centralized Enc AC, D-Dist Enc AC, CD -Centralized or Distributed AC, SM-Split MAC, F - Legacy or Standalone Fat APs Cisco-SM-D,F Aruba/Alcatel-SM-CD, Symbol/Motorola-SM-C,F Trapeze/Nortel/3COM-SM-D,F Meru/Foundry SM-D Independent of C/D/CD support they all have one thing in common .. Split MAC (SM). Hopefully you can see why I maintain my position given the market reality. If I were in Prague my argument to the group would have been : a) For this effort to be successful and given the time we've spent on this we need to see a high enough bar for a baseline CAPWAP spec. This means we need to have WTPs that support C and D mandatory for the Split MAC based ACs out there. b) This is not about a strong technical decision but about allowing CAPWAP capable WTPs in the real (SM based) world the chance to follow what a distributed encryption AC, or a centralized encryption AC tells them to do. Hence their need for mandatory support both schemes. b) It is unfortunate that our mistake in leaving "SM optional" is now the tail wagging the "WTPs mandatory to support distributed only" dog. I encourage folks to consider reopening that decision given the market reality details above. Hope this clarifies my position. Regards Merv Merwyn (Merv) Andrade CTO, Aruba Networks merv@arubanetworks.com -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:24 AM To: Merwyn Andrade Cc: Scott G Kelly; capwap; Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Hi Merv, I hope that my response to Scott made it clear what process we are trying to follow... There was a long discussion of issue #138 in the WG meeting. At the end, we did not make the decision by having one choice win out over the other due to technical merits. Both choices will work from a technical standpoint, so it was more a matter of preferences. We had very strong consensus that the WTP encryption mode should be mandatory on both ends, so we agreed that either way, we would want to mandate support for WG encryption on both the AC and the WTP. The discussion basically came down to a question of whether to mandate WTP support for centralized encryption or not. There were some people who supported making WTP support for centralized encryption mandatory, and a larger number of people who preferred to make it optional, but no clear consensus between those choices. In the end, we ended-up taking a poll regarding how many of the WG members could accept a specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was optional and how many could accept a specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was mandatory. The large majority of the group could accept a specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was optional, while only a small number could accept a specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was mandatory. This was a difficult situation for the WG, because both choices are technically viable, and there are very few (if any) strong technical criteria that we could use to decide which should be mandatory and which should be optional on each end. However, this is something that we have to decide in order to publish the document, so we declared consensus to proceed with the choice that was acceptable to the largest majority of the group. If you are concerned about the process that is being used, please read the message I just sent to Scott and let us know if it addresses your concerns. If not, please express your remaining concerns, and we will try to address them. If you strongly disagree with the decision to make WTP support for centralized encryption optional (which isn't entirely clear from your message), you should send a message to the list expressing your disagreement with that decision. It would be ideal if you could also state why you disagree with the decision and what you think we should do instead. Your message alone won't be enough to overturn the consensus of those who attended the Prague meeting, but if there are several people who didn't attend the meeting who also disagree with the decision, the consensus from the meeting will not hold, and we will have to reopen discussion of this issue, which will likely delay publication of the document. Thanks, Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 04 21:32:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZGq3-0004Eh-37 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:32:35 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZGq0-0003d5-So for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:32:35 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9283A5A2F for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CCC4A40AE for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C5C39808F for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C783D39803D for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Apr 2007 18:32:11 -0700 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l351WBEY029574; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:11 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l351WAZT018718; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 01:32:11 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:10 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:32:09 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2036D3F32@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Thread-Index: Acd2BB06lJjqlyMKR0yymjceFEratgBEQrfAAANEjY4= From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Merwyn Andrade" , "Margaret Wasserman" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2007 01:32:10.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B08BBD0:01C77722] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.668 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, HTML_10_20, HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0138438333==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4a96669441ad70ecf6aebb4b47b971cd This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0138438333== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77722.3A570FCF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77722.3A570FCF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the record, I am sill satisfied with Split-MAC being optional and = hope we will not re-open issues that have been both discussed and = closed.=20 I also still believe that a single mode of encryption being a MUST = provides guaranteed interoperability and flexibility for vendors that = feel they need to implement specific options to satisfy their customer = demands. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Merwyn Andrade [mailto:mandrade@arubanetworks.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 05:33 PM Pacific Standard Time To: Margaret Wasserman Cc: capwap; Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, = #249,#250, #251 & #252 Margaret=20 Sorry just got back from travel and couldn't get to this sooner. Thanks for your comments, your last two posts clarified your position and what transpired at Prague.=20 I missed the split-MAC being optional piece. That is indeed very unfortunate for the baseline CAPWAP standard since the majority of the switch architectures out there (accounting for > 90% of market-share) employ exactly that model.=20 To your point about " If you strongly disagree with the decision to make WTP support for centralized encryption optional (which isn't entirely clear from your message), you should send a message to the list expressing your disagreement with that decision. It would be ideal if you could also state why you disagree with the decision and what you think we should do instead." I strongly disagree with the decision and reasons are as follows:=20 Today the market has migrated to a model where folks pick a system AC and WTP from the same vendor. In any of these WLAN switch architecture based systems, the WTP follows the lead of the AC. With my comment above about the majority of vendors doing split-MAC it stands to reason that the only way customers would maintain flexibility in choosing their ACs (centralized or dist encryption supporting) and leverage a open-standards based CAPWAP would be to have WTPs that support both (centralized and distributed encryption support). See further data to prove this below. To your point about "This was a difficult situation for the WG, because both choices are technically viable, and there are very few (if any) strong technical criteria that we could use to decide which should be mandatory and which should be optional on each end."=20 IMHO this is the wrong question. This is not about technical criteria but about the group ensuring that the baseline CAPWAP standard measures up to some sensible least-common-denominator high-bar of market reality. If we don't do this no one adopts it, or the vendors who want to do bake-offs with a claim to adopt/support it are really doing so only for the RFP checkoffs and are not really interested in their WTPs being interoperable and being managed by other SM-based-ACs out there. Is this what you want as chairs of this WG ? Pick your favorite market share report ..I list one as informational (just to make my point) http://www.infonetics.com/resources/purple.shtml?ms07.wl.4q06.nr.shtml=20 The Top 5 vendors with switch market share (you can read through the technical docs to figure out where encryption is performed ..this is not a secret) C-Centralized Enc AC, D-Dist Enc AC, CD -Centralized or Distributed AC, SM-Split MAC, F - Legacy or Standalone Fat APs Cisco-SM-D,F Aruba/Alcatel-SM-CD, Symbol/Motorola-SM-C,F Trapeze/Nortel/3COM-SM-D,F Meru/Foundry SM-D=20 Independent of C/D/CD support they all have one thing in common .. Split MAC (SM). Hopefully you can see why I maintain my position given the market reality.=20 If I were in Prague my argument to the group would have been :=20 a) For this effort to be successful and given the time we've spent on this we need to see a high enough bar for a baseline CAPWAP spec. This means we need to have WTPs that support C and D mandatory for the Split MAC based ACs out there. b) This is not about a strong technical decision but about allowing CAPWAP capable WTPs in the real (SM based) world the chance to follow what a distributed encryption AC, or a centralized encryption AC tells them to do. Hence their need for mandatory support both schemes. b) It is unfortunate that our mistake in leaving "SM optional" is now the tail wagging the "WTPs mandatory to support distributed only" dog.=20 I encourage folks to consider reopening that decision given the market reality details above. Hope this clarifies my position. Regards Merv=20 Merwyn (Merv) Andrade CTO, Aruba Networks merv@arubanetworks.com -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:24 AM To: Merwyn Andrade Cc: Scott G Kelly; capwap; Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Hi Merv, I hope that my response to Scott made it clear what process we are =20 trying to follow... There was a long discussion of issue #138 in the WG meeting. At the =20 end, we did not make the decision by having one choice win out over =20 the other due to technical merits. Both choices will work from a =20 technical standpoint, so it was more a matter of preferences. We had very strong consensus that the WTP encryption mode should be =20 mandatory on both ends, so we agreed that either way, we would want =20 to mandate support for WG encryption on both the AC and the WTP. The =20 discussion basically came down to a question of whether to mandate =20 WTP support for centralized encryption or not. There were some people who supported making WTP support for =20 centralized encryption mandatory, and a larger number of people who =20 preferred to make it optional, but no clear consensus between those =20 choices. In the end, we ended-up taking a poll regarding how many of =20 the WG members could accept a specification where WTP support for =20 centralized encryption was optional and how many could accept a =20 specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was =20 mandatory. The large majority of the group could accept a =20 specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was =20 optional, while only a small number could accept a specification =20 where WTP support for centralized encryption was mandatory. This was a difficult situation for the WG, because both choices are =20 technically viable, and there are very few (if any) strong technical =20 criteria that we could use to decide which should be mandatory and =20 which should be optional on each end. However, this is something =20 that we have to decide in order to publish the document, so we =20 declared consensus to proceed with the choice that was acceptable to =20 the largest majority of the group. If you are concerned about the process that is being used, please =20 read the message I just sent to Scott and let us know if it addresses =20 your concerns. If not, please express your remaining concerns, and =20 we will try to address them. If you strongly disagree with the decision to make WTP support for =20 centralized encryption optional (which isn't entirely clear from your =20 message), you should send a message to the list expressing your =20 disagreement with that decision. It would be ideal if you could also =20 state why you disagree with the decision and what you think we should =20 do instead. Your message alone won't be enough to overturn the consensus of those =20 who attended the Prague meeting, but if there are several people who =20 didn't attend the meeting who also disagree with the decision, the =20 consensus from the meeting will not hold, and we will have to reopen =20 discussion of this issue, which will likely delay publication of the =20 document. Thanks, Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77722.3A570FCF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, = #249,#250, #251 & #252

For the record, I am sill satisfied with Split-MAC = being optional and hope we will not re-open issues that have been both = discussed and closed.

I also still believe that a single mode of encryption being a MUST = provides guaranteed interoperability and flexibility for vendors that = feel they need to implement specific options to satisfy their customer = demands.


PatC

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Merwyn Andrade [mailto:mandrade@arubanetworks.= com]
Sent:   Wednesday, April 04, 2007 05:33 PM Pacific Standard = Time
To:     Margaret Wasserman
Cc:     capwap; Dorothy Gellert
Subject:        Re: [Capwap] = CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249,#250, #251 & = #252

Margaret

Sorry just got back from travel and couldn't get to this sooner. = Thanks
for your comments, your last two posts clarified your position and = what
transpired at Prague.

I missed the split-MAC being optional piece. That is indeed very
unfortunate for the baseline CAPWAP standard since the majority of = the
switch architectures out there (accounting for > 90% of = market-share)
employ exactly that model.

To your point about
<Margaret> " If you strongly disagree with the decision to = make WTP
support for centralized encryption optional (which isn't entirely = clear
from your  message), you should send a message to the list = expressing
your disagreement with that decision.  It would be ideal if you = could
also state why you disagree with the decision and what you think we
should do instead."

I strongly disagree with the decision and reasons are as follows:

Today the market has migrated to a model where folks pick a system = AC
and WTP from the same vendor.
In any of these WLAN switch architecture based systems, the WTP = follows
the lead of the AC.
With my comment above about the majority of vendors doing split-MAC = it
stands to reason that the only way customers would maintain = flexibility
in choosing their ACs (centralized or dist encryption supporting) = and
leverage a open-standards based CAPWAP would be to have WTPs that
support both (centralized and distributed encryption support). See
further data to prove this below.

To your point about
<Margaret> "This was a difficult situation for the WG, = because both
choices are technically viable, and there are very few (if any) = strong
technical criteria that we could use to decide which should be = mandatory
and which should be optional on each end."

IMHO this is the wrong question. This is not about technical = criteria
but about the group ensuring that the baseline CAPWAP standard = measures
up to some sensible least-common-denominator high-bar of market = reality.
If we don't do this no one adopts it, or the vendors who want to do
bake-offs with a claim to adopt/support it are really doing so only = for
the RFP checkoffs and are not really interested in their WTPs being
interoperable and being managed by other SM-based-ACs out there. Is = this
what you want as chairs of this WG ?

Pick your favorite market share report ..I list one as informational
(just to make my point)
http://www.infonetics.com/resources/purple.shtml?ms07.wl.4q06.nr.s= html
The Top 5 vendors with switch market share (you can read through the
technical docs to figure out where encryption is performed ..this is = not
a secret) C-Centralized Enc AC, D-Dist Enc AC, CD -Centralized or
Distributed AC, SM-Split MAC, F - Legacy or Standalone Fat APs

Cisco-SM-D,F
Aruba/Alcatel-SM-CD,
Symbol/Motorola-SM-C,F
Trapeze/Nortel/3COM-SM-D,F
Meru/Foundry SM-D

Independent of C/D/CD support they all have one thing in common .. = Split
MAC (SM).

Hopefully you can see why I maintain my position given the market
reality.

If I were in Prague my argument to the group would have been :
a) For this effort to be successful and given the time we've spent = on
this we need to see a high enough bar for a baseline CAPWAP spec. = This
means we need to have WTPs that support C and D mandatory for the = Split
MAC based ACs out there.
b) This is not about a strong technical decision but about allowing
CAPWAP capable WTPs in the real (SM based) world the chance to = follow
what a distributed encryption AC, or a centralized encryption AC = tells
them to do. Hence their need for mandatory support both schemes.
b) It is unfortunate that our mistake in leaving "SM optional" = is now
the tail wagging the "WTPs mandatory to support distributed = only" dog.

I encourage folks to consider reopening that decision given the = market
reality details above.

Hope this clarifies my position.

Regards
Merv

Merwyn (Merv) Andrade
CTO, Aruba Networks
merv@arubanetworks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:24 AM
To: Merwyn Andrade
Cc: Scott G Kelly; capwap; Dorothy Gellert
Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, = #248,
#249, #250, #251 & #252


Hi Merv,

I hope that my response to Scott made it clear what process we = are 
trying to follow...

There was a long discussion of issue #138 in the WG meeting.  At = the 
end, we did not make the decision by having one choice win out = over 
the other due to technical merits.  Both choices will work from = a 
technical standpoint, so it was more a matter of preferences.

We had very strong consensus that the WTP encryption mode should = be 
mandatory on both ends, so we agreed that either way, we would = want 
to mandate support for WG encryption on both the AC and the WTP.  = The 
discussion basically came down to a question of whether to = mandate 
WTP support for centralized encryption or not.

There were some people who supported making WTP support for 
centralized encryption mandatory, and a larger number of people = who 
preferred to make it optional, but no clear consensus between = those 
choices.  In the end, we ended-up taking a poll regarding how many = of 
the WG members could accept a specification where WTP support = for 
centralized encryption was optional and how many could accept = a 
specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was 
mandatory.  The large majority of the group could accept = a 
specification where WTP support for centralized encryption was 
optional, while only a small number could accept a = specification 
where WTP support for centralized encryption was mandatory.

This was a difficult situation for the WG, because both choices = are 
technically viable, and there are very few (if any) strong = technical 
criteria that we could use to decide which should be mandatory = and 
which should be optional on each end.  However, this is = something 
that we have to decide in order to publish the document, so we 
declared consensus to proceed with the choice that was acceptable = to 
the largest majority of the group.

If you are concerned about the process that is being used, = please 
read the message I just sent to Scott and let us know if it = addresses 
your concerns.  If not, please express your remaining concerns, = and 
we will try to address them.

If you strongly disagree with the decision to make WTP support = for 
centralized encryption optional (which isn't entirely clear from = your 
message), you should send a message to the list expressing = your 
disagreement with that decision.  It would be ideal if you could = also 
state why you disagree with the decision and what you think we = should 
do instead.

Your message alone won't be enough to overturn the consensus of = those 
who attended the Prague meeting, but if there are several people = who 
didn't attend the meeting who also disagree with the decision, = the 
consensus from the meeting will not hold, and we will have to = reopen 
discussion of this issue, which will likely delay publication of = the 
document.

Thanks,
Margaret


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Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <8628F5CC-6158-4121-A005-CEFCFB14B47F@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:07:22 -0400 To: Merwyn Andrade X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Hi Merv, On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: > I missed the split-MAC being optional piece. That is indeed very > unfortunate for the baseline CAPWAP standard since the majority of the > switch architectures out there (accounting for > 90% of market-share) > employ exactly that model. [...] > I encourage folks to consider reopening that decision given the market > reality details above. The decision that split-MAC mode would be optional was made a long time ago, so unless some new technical information comes to light that indicates that there is a blocking technical problem with this (which is very unlikely), we are not going to reopen that question now. So, we need to make the decision about which of the two security models is mandatory or optional on each end with the understanding that split-MAC mode _is_ optional. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 05 08:50:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZRQB-0001l6-TU for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:50:35 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZRQ9-0001WP-E9 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:50:35 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EDD430E0B for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C124A4090 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECDA430DD4 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.arubanetworks.com (mail.arubanetworks.com [216.31.249.253]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DAECE430E0B for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com ([10.1.1.17]) by mail.arubanetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:50:21 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:50:22 -0700 Message-ID: <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A081D8@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <8628F5CC-6158-4121-A005-CEFCFB14B47F@thingmagic.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Thread-Index: Acd3evpwMeiv781HThatu2RcV/U70wAAKM5Q References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com><903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <1C59AFB0-88BF-4DF3-BEC9-B1C21A3E231E@thingmagic.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A08050@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <8628F5CC-6158-4121-A005-CEFCFB14B47F@thingmagic.com> From: "Merwyn Andrade" To: "Margaret Wasserman" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2007 12:50:21.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8633940:01C77780] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Margaret Even if you don't reopen the Split-MAC (SM) decision (unfortunate, but I can understand in the interests of moving things forward) please take into account my points about the market data I have provided that make the case for #138 to not have one side optional, or refute it. Counters to the arguments in summary made so far 1) Arguments that this is difficult to implement etc - these can only be valid if folks have tried. Out of the #1, 2 and 3 market leaders for WLAN Switching out there (Cisco, Aruba and Symbol - pick your favorite report for ordering), two out of the three (Aruba and Symbol) support centralized (C) encryption and distributed (D) showing that it is a matter of choice not degree of difficulty. Hopefully the group can see why the #1 player would not like the market to have this option (C) in there. I can understand their interests in not seeing the playing field leveled but forgive me for not being too sympathetic. 2) We chose Split-MAC as optional and so this should be optional too - This is simply compounding one mistake with another. Even if we don't reopen the SM decision I would request we look at each issue (in this case #138) and if there is fresh context on market data that was never provided before it behooves us to do the right thing for our customers and the base CAPWAP standard. 3) Conforming to the DOD 8100.2 directive - it is possible to build systems yhat meet this directive with both centralized and distributed, but as I have shown more gear is required as well as FIPS certifications of APs are needed if they mate up to the distributed encryption only AC suppliers. On the other hand any vendor of APs/WTPs can with CAPWAP centralized encryption support (on their WTP) mate up to centralized encryption ACs (for now Aruba/Symbol-Motorola) and maybe in future more to immediately make more CAPWAP WTPs available to one of the largest emerging markets in the world Fortune #1 (i.e. the US.Govt). We need to make baseline CAPWAP useful in the real world and keep our options open on #138. The world is SM, we and others have implemented both C and D, and I would like to see arguments made against my points that stand up to scrutiny. Regards Merv Merwyn (Merv) Andrade CTO, Aruba Networks merv@arubanetworks.com -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:07 AM To: Merwyn Andrade Cc: Scott G Kelly; capwap; Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Hi Merv, On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: > I missed the split-MAC being optional piece. That is indeed very > unfortunate for the baseline CAPWAP standard since the majority of the > switch architectures out there (accounting for > 90% of market-share) > employ exactly that model. [...] > I encourage folks to consider reopening that decision given the market > reality details above. The decision that split-MAC mode would be optional was made a long time ago, so unless some new technical information comes to light that indicates that there is a blocking technical problem with this (which is very unlikely), we are not going to reopen that question now. So, we need to make the decision about which of the two security models is mandatory or optional on each end with the understanding that split-MAC mode _is_ optional. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 05 09:13:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZRmB-0007D1-Pu for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:13:19 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZRmA-00052f-7U for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:13:19 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0441430F59 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5BB4A4090 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76AB39804E for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 24 days 22:57:12 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E2A398071 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2014992; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:12:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A081D8@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com><903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <1C59AFB0-88BF-4DF3-BEC9-B1C21A3E231E@thingmagic.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A08050@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <8628F5CC-6158-4121-A005-CEFCFB14B47F@thingmagic.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A081D8@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <7CF7165F-C155-4C27-9059-C5BEAC7C6563@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:12:56 -0400 To: Merwyn Andrade X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 Hi Merv, We understand that you disagree with the proposed resolution to issue #138, and we will certainly take your opinion into account in our final consensus determination early next week. Margaret On Apr 5, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: > Margaret > > Even if you don't reopen the Split-MAC (SM) decision (unfortunate, > but I > can understand in the interests of moving things forward) please take > into account my points about the market data I have provided that make > the case for #138 to not have one side optional, or refute it. > > Counters to the arguments in summary made so far > 1) Arguments that this is difficult to implement etc - these can > only be > valid if folks have tried. Out of the #1, 2 and 3 market leaders for > WLAN Switching out there (Cisco, Aruba and Symbol - pick your favorite > report for ordering), two out of the three (Aruba and Symbol) support > centralized (C) encryption and distributed (D) showing that it is a > matter of choice not degree of difficulty. Hopefully the group can see > why the #1 player would not like the market to have this option (C) in > there. I can understand their interests in not seeing the playing > field > leveled but forgive me for not being too sympathetic. > 2) We chose Split-MAC as optional and so this should be optional too - > This is simply compounding one mistake with another. Even if we don't > reopen the SM decision I would request we look at each issue (in this > case #138) and if there is fresh context on market data that was never > provided before it behooves us to do the right thing for our customers > and the base CAPWAP standard. > 3) Conforming to the DOD 8100.2 directive - it is possible to build > systems yhat meet this directive with both centralized and > distributed, > but as I have shown more gear is required as well as FIPS > certifications > of APs are needed if they mate up to the distributed encryption > only AC > suppliers. On the other hand any vendor of APs/WTPs can with CAPWAP > centralized encryption support (on their WTP) mate up to centralized > encryption ACs (for now Aruba/Symbol-Motorola) and maybe in future > more > to immediately make more CAPWAP WTPs available to one of the largest > emerging markets in the world Fortune #1 (i.e. the US.Govt). > > We need to make baseline CAPWAP useful in the real world and keep our > options open on #138. The world is SM, we and others have implemented > both C and D, and I would like to see arguments made against my points > that stand up to scrutiny. > > Regards > Merv > > Merwyn (Merv) Andrade > CTO, Aruba Networks > merv@arubanetworks.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:07 AM > To: Merwyn Andrade > Cc: Scott G Kelly; capwap; Dorothy Gellert > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, > #249, #250, #251 & #252 > > > Hi Merv, > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: >> I missed the split-MAC being optional piece. That is indeed very >> unfortunate for the baseline CAPWAP standard since the majority of >> the >> switch architectures out there (accounting for > 90% of market-share) >> employ exactly that model. > [...] >> I encourage folks to consider reopening that decision given the >> market >> reality details above. > > The decision that split-MAC mode would be optional was made a long > time ago, so unless some new technical information comes to light > that indicates that there is a blocking technical problem with this > (which is very unlikely), we are not going to reopen that question > now. > > So, we need to make the decision about which of the two security > models is mandatory or optional on each end with the understanding > that split-MAC mode _is_ optional. > > Margaret > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 05 12:06:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZUTz-0007ct-4p for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:06:43 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZUTv-0003Qk-KU for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:06:43 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D954318FA for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C654A4090 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4B34318DB for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2C94318B9 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c31so777173ana for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.94.3 with SMTP id r3mr1436154anb.1175789173753; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SJainT60 ( [67.188.80.164]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c27sm3345892ana.2007.04.05.09.06.11; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sudhanshu" To: "'Jim Murphy'" , References: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102D4EB@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> <46143E65.1020306@trapezenetworks.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:06:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c7779c$548feb30$6700a8c0@arubanetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd3Gdl7IeTNcYjPTIS8DrylCghPLgAgSJAg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <46143E65.1020306@trapezenetworks.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net, capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 I also support for adopting the propose optimization. I agree, it is not a bug but an optimization. But since it related to the data path, it should be considered as important item to address. Moreover propose solution apply transparently to both data plane as well control plane and make overall protocol more flexible. Also it should address the concern of those people who wanted to make data plane and control plane processing similar. _Suds -----Original Message----- From: Jim Murphy [mailto:jmurphy@trapezenetworks.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database I support adopting the proposed optimizations. Thanks, Jim Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com wrote: > Dear WG, > > While reviewing the recently closed issues, it appears that Issue 244, > Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly moved to the Wish list > without a clear decision from the WG to do so. As a result, we'll be > moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section of > the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and decide > what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open issue > against the CAPWAP drafts. > > Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the interim > meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on the > WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 in > this message: _http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html_ > > It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either way, > before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the discussion > was lost inside a discussion of related issues. > > The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and discuss > the following alternatives on the WG list: > > 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations > 2) Reject the proposed optimizations > 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a > bug fix) for future consideration. > > > Best Regards, > Mani, Margaret and Dorothy > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 05 13:43:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZVzK-0004cx-QB for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:43:10 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZVzH-0000F8-1z for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:43:10 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F50432079 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CD54A4090 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A91643203A for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A53432028 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c31so817394ana for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.31.2 with SMTP id e2mr1484682ane.1175794972866; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SJainT60 ( [67.188.80.164]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id b14sm3526152ana.2007.04.05.10.42.49; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:42:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sudhanshu" To: "'Margaret Wasserman'" , "Merwyn Andrade" References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com><903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com><46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com><99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com><1C59AFB0-88BF-4DF3-BEC9-B1C21A3E231E@thingmagic.com><99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A08050@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com><8628F5CC-6158-4121-A005-CEFCFB14B47F@thingmagic.com><99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A081D8@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <7CF7165F-C155-4C27-9059-C5BEAC7C6563@thingmagic.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:42:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c777a9$d4c7c9f0$6700a8c0@arubanetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd3hCrApVAs2wypQaWvEH/t9iT4UAAHHKGw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <7CF7165F-C155-4C27-9059-C5BEAC7C6563@thingmagic.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: 'capwap' , 'Dorothy Gellert' Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 03169bfe4792634a390035a01a6c6d2f Here is my feedback on the consensus request. Issue #138 - to wider adoption of interoperability, WTP should support both Distributed and Centralized crypto. Issues #217 - I think the proposed solution is not complete. E.g Figure 3 says the "protected frame" is controlled by AC only but in case of encryption at WTP, "protected frame" should be modified both at AC and WTP. Issues #247 - I would prefer to have the type (enum) field instead of the length field. I don't think supporting arbitrary length field will help any body. There is already two published MAC (EUI-48 and EUI-64) and we should support this. Beyond this, I don't think we need to worry. I think it is a cleaner solution compared to length based proposal. Issues #248 - agree with the proposed solution. But I just want to make sure that solution does not preclude both the message element present in the discovery response. Issues #249 - The only reason UDP-lite has been considered is for performance purpose. So I don't understand the rational behind making UDP-lite as a mandatory protocol for IPv6. I understand it is backward compatible to UDP but it is not UDP. Also it used different protocol number. So I will say we should make UDP-lite as optional protocol for IPv6. Issues #250 - No comment Issues #251 - Agree with the general requirement and solution but I don't agree for tying this interval with the echo interval. Instead proposed solution should preclude the "echo request" from the section 4.4.3 (retransmission policy). And we can keep the "echo request" retransmission to "echo interval" like "hello messages" in other protocols. Issues #252 - Agree with the changes in language. -Suds -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:13 AM To: Merwyn Andrade Cc: capwap; Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249,#250, #251 & #252 Hi Merv, We understand that you disagree with the proposed resolution to issue #138, and we will certainly take your opinion into account in our final consensus determination early next week. Margaret On Apr 5, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: > Margaret > > Even if you don't reopen the Split-MAC (SM) decision (unfortunate, > but I > can understand in the interests of moving things forward) please take > into account my points about the market data I have provided that make > the case for #138 to not have one side optional, or refute it. > > Counters to the arguments in summary made so far > 1) Arguments that this is difficult to implement etc - these can > only be > valid if folks have tried. Out of the #1, 2 and 3 market leaders for > WLAN Switching out there (Cisco, Aruba and Symbol - pick your favorite > report for ordering), two out of the three (Aruba and Symbol) support > centralized (C) encryption and distributed (D) showing that it is a > matter of choice not degree of difficulty. Hopefully the group can see > why the #1 player would not like the market to have this option (C) in > there. I can understand their interests in not seeing the playing > field > leveled but forgive me for not being too sympathetic. > 2) We chose Split-MAC as optional and so this should be optional too - > This is simply compounding one mistake with another. Even if we don't > reopen the SM decision I would request we look at each issue (in this > case #138) and if there is fresh context on market data that was never > provided before it behooves us to do the right thing for our customers > and the base CAPWAP standard. > 3) Conforming to the DOD 8100.2 directive - it is possible to build > systems yhat meet this directive with both centralized and > distributed, > but as I have shown more gear is required as well as FIPS > certifications > of APs are needed if they mate up to the distributed encryption > only AC > suppliers. On the other hand any vendor of APs/WTPs can with CAPWAP > centralized encryption support (on their WTP) mate up to centralized > encryption ACs (for now Aruba/Symbol-Motorola) and maybe in future > more > to immediately make more CAPWAP WTPs available to one of the largest > emerging markets in the world Fortune #1 (i.e. the US.Govt). > > We need to make baseline CAPWAP useful in the real world and keep our > options open on #138. The world is SM, we and others have implemented > both C and D, and I would like to see arguments made against my points > that stand up to scrutiny. > > Regards > Merv > > Merwyn (Merv) Andrade > CTO, Aruba Networks > merv@arubanetworks.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:07 AM > To: Merwyn Andrade > Cc: Scott G Kelly; capwap; Dorothy Gellert > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, > #249, #250, #251 & #252 > > > Hi Merv, > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: >> I missed the split-MAC being optional piece. That is indeed very >> unfortunate for the baseline CAPWAP standard since the majority of >> the >> switch architectures out there (accounting for > 90% of market-share) >> employ exactly that model. > [...] >> I encourage folks to consider reopening that decision given the >> market >> reality details above. > > The decision that split-MAC mode would be optional was made a long > time ago, so unless some new technical information comes to light > that indicates that there is a blocking technical problem with this > (which is very unlikely), we are not going to reopen that question > now. > > So, we need to make the decision about which of the two security > models is mandatory or optional on each end with the understanding > that split-MAC mode _is_ optional. > > Margaret > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 05 17:45:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZZlP-0000t1-KY for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:45:03 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZZlO-0007ij-4Y for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:45:03 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A141739816A for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF6A4A4090 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D186B398094 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms1.broadcom.com (mms1.broadcom.com [216.31.210.17]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29BC39800E for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.64.154] by mms1.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.3.1)); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:44:31 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 6B5CFB92-F616-4477-B110-55F967A57302 Received: by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix, from userid 47) id C564B2AE; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (mail-irva-8 [10.10.64.221]) by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE42B2B0; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com [10.16.128.215]) by mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id FDT65731; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com (nt-sjca-0751 [10.16.192.221]) by mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02E320503; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A41035AECB7@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: <000101c7779c$548feb30$6700a8c0@arubanetworks.com> Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database Thread-Index: Acd3Gdl7IeTNcYjPTIS8DrylCghPLgAgSJAgAAweTYA= From: "Puneet Agarwal" To: "Sudhanshu" , "Jim Murphy" , Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com X-WSS-ID: 6A0BB23537013121961-01-01 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net, capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 I support optimizations of the preamble hdr. Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:06 AM To: 'Jim Murphy'; Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database I also support for adopting the propose optimization. I agree, it is not a bug but an optimization. But since it related to the data path, it should be considered as important item to address. Moreover propose solution apply transparently to both data plane as well control plane and make overall protocol more flexible. Also it should address the concern of those people who wanted to make data plane and control plane processing similar. _Suds -----Original Message----- From: Jim Murphy [mailto:jmurphy@trapezenetworks.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database I support adopting the proposed optimizations. Thanks, Jim Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com wrote: > Dear WG, > > While reviewing the recently closed issues, it appears that Issue 244, > Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly moved to the Wish list > without a clear decision from the WG to do so. As a result, we'll be > moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section > of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and > decide what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open > issue against the CAPWAP drafts. > > Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the interim > meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on the > WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 > in this message: > _http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html_ > > It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either > way, before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the > discussion was lost inside a discussion of related issues. > > The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and > discuss the following alternatives on the WG list: > > 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations > 2) Reject the proposed optimizations > 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a > bug fix) for future consideration. > > > Best Regards, > Mani, Margaret and Dorothy > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 05 18:12:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZaCO-0001Fs-A3 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; 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Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:12:33 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l35MCXAC000071; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:12:33 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.124]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:12:28 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:12:27 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503E2DF73@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102D4EB@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database Thread-Index: Acd2543D8nsXPp+GSjaZErRtVl8K1gA5VFGA References: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102D4EB@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2007 22:12:28.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F7295E0:01C777CF] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-5; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim5002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0394934798==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e367d58950869b6582535ddf5a673488 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0394934798== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C777CF.7F3850D3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C777CF.7F3850D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dorothy, =20 We had discussed this earlier and agreed that this was a "nice to have" and not a bug. I recall we received very clear direction from our=20 Area Director to focus on fixing real issues, and not deal with optimizations: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04168.html =20 I thought that is why we had put it on our wish list. =20 I'm not clear why we are opening up items that we have=20 previously decided items for discussion again. =20 Thanks, Abhijit =20 ________________________________ From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:32 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database Dear WG,=20 While reviewing the recently closed issues, it appears that Issue 244, Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly moved to the Wish list without a clear decision from the WG to do so. As a result, we'll be moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and decide what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open issue against the CAPWAP drafts.=20 Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the interim meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on the WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 in this message: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html =20 It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either way, before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the discussion was lost inside a discussion of related issues. The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and discuss the following alternatives on the WG list:=20 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations=20 2) Reject the proposed optimizations=20 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a bug fix) for future consideration.=20 Best Regards,=20 Mani, Margaret and Dorothy=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C777CF.7F3850D3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from = Wish List to Active Issues Database
Hi Dorothy,
 
We had discussed this earlier and agreed = that this was=20 a "nice to have"
and not a bug.  I recall = we received very clear direction from our =
Area Director to focus on fixing real issues, = and not deal=20 with
optimizations:
http://= lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04168.html
=
 
I thought that is why we had=20 put it on our wish list. 
I'm not clear why we are opening = up items=20 that we have
previously decided items for discussion=20 again.
 
Thanks,
Abhijit
 

From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com=20 [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, = 2007=20 11:32 AM
To: capwap@frascone.com
Cc:=20 margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net
Subject: [Capwap] = Issue=20 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues=20 Database

Dear WG,

While reviewing the recently = closed issues,=20 it appears that Issue 244, Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly = moved to=20 the Wish list without a clear decision from the WG to do so.  As a = result,=20 we'll be moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" = section of=20 the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and decide = what to=20 do about it.  Issue 244 should be considered an open issue against = the=20 CAPWAP drafts.

Issue 244 was discussed on the = list under=20 issue 224 before the interim meeting, during the Interim meeting and = again=20 further discussed on the WG list.  The proposed solution was sent = to the=20 list on Jan 31, 2007 in this message:  http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html<= /U>

It does not appear that the WG = made a=20 decision on this issue either way, before it was moved to the Wish list, = possibly because the discussion was lost inside a discussion of related=20 issues.

The WG should consider the = proposed solution=20 for Issue 244, and discuss the following alternatives on the WG list:=20

1) Adopt the proposed = optimizations=20
2) Reject the proposed = optimizations=20
3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish = list (as this=20 is an optimization, not a bug fix) for future consideration. =


Best Regards,
Mani, Margaret and Dorothy =

------_=_NextPart_001_01C777CF.7F3850D3-- --===============0394934798== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============0394934798==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 05 20:19:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZcBH-0001CF-O2 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:19:55 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZcBE-0006tf-R8 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:19:55 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA736398816 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E314A40B4 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A07A398046 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-ext12.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [131.228.20.171]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D512D39801B for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 17:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l360JRbo029781; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 03:19:28 +0300 Received: from daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.112]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 03:19:27 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:19:25 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA01066522@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503E2DF73@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database Thread-Index: Acd2543D8nsXPp+GSjaZErRtVl8K1gA5VFGAAASLW7A= References: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102D4EB@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503E2DF73@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 00:19:25.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B9B02F0:01C777E1] X-eXpurgate-Category: 1/0 X-eXpurgate-ID: 149371::070406031929-6DF8EBB0-366610E0/0-0/0-1 X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.274 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0935632128==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 731ea0e9f5725b67e634db1918f3b951 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0935632128== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C777E1.3B6B226B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C777E1.3B6B226B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Abhijit- =20 The confusion regarding this issue and the reason its being reconsidered as an open issue is that based on the disucsssions during the interim meeting, the Chairs asked for this issue be discussed further on the list. Also during the interim its was suggested that we close new feautures and optimizations, as David Kessens email posted after the interim indicates. Some members of the WG believe this issue was not meant to go on the Wish List. All the chairs agree that direction for this issue and the timing of the Optimization freeze, was not clear to the WG. =20 =20 Since the timing is unclear, we are revisiting this on the WG list. We were hoping the WG membership would clearly indicate if they want to adopt the optimization, reject the optimization or put this on the Wish List. Note also, that this issue is not part of the April 9th consensus check deadline and should be considered outside the the call. =20 Do you care to voice your choice of alternatives? This may encourage others to do so also. We have a few opinions, but not much to base rough consensus on yet. =20 Best Regards, Dorothy ________________________________ From: ext Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:12 PM To: Gellert Dorothy (Nokia-SIR/MtView); capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: RE: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database =09 =09 Hi Dorothy, =20 We had discussed this earlier and agreed that this was a "nice to have" and not a bug. I recall we received very clear direction from our=20 Area Director to focus on fixing real issues, and not deal with optimizations: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04168.html =20 I thought that is why we had put it on our wish list. =20 I'm not clear why we are opening up items that we have=20 previously decided items for discussion again. =20 Thanks, Abhijit =20 =09 =09 ________________________________ From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:32 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database =09 =09 Dear WG,=20 While reviewing the recently closed issues, it appears that Issue 244, Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly moved to the Wish list without a clear decision from the WG to do so. As a result, we'll be moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and decide what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open issue against the CAPWAP drafts.=20 Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the interim meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on the WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 in this message: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html =20 It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either way, before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the discussion was lost inside a discussion of related issues. The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and discuss the following alternatives on the WG list:=20 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations=20 2) Reject the proposed optimizations=20 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a bug fix) for future consideration.=20 Best Regards,=20 Mani, Margaret and Dorothy=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C777E1.3B6B226B Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from = Wish List to Active Issues Database
Hi Abhijit-
 
The confusion regarding this issue and the = reason its being=20 reconsidered as an open issue is that based on the disucsssions during = the=20 interim meeting,  the Chairs asked for this issue be = discussed=20 further on the list.  Also during the interim its was suggested = that we=20 close new feautures and optimizations, as David Kessens email posted = after the=20 interim indicates.   Some members of the WG believe this issue = was not=20 meant to go on the Wish List.   All the chairs agree that = direction=20 for this issue and the timing of the Optimization freeze, was not clear = to the=20 WG. 
 
Since the timing is unclear, we are revisiting = this on the=20 WG list.    We were hoping the WG membership would = clearly=20 indicate if they want to adopt the optimization, reject the optimization = or put=20 this on the Wish List.    Note also, that this issue is = not part=20 of the April 9th consensus check deadline and should be considered = outside the=20 the call.
 
Do you care to voice your choice of=20 alternatives?  This may encourage others to do so also.  =  We=20 have a few opinions, but not much to base rough consensus on=20 yet.
 
Best Regards,
Dorothy
From: ext Abhijit Choudhury = (achoudhu)=20 [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 = 3:12=20 PM
To: Gellert Dorothy (Nokia-SIR/MtView);=20 capwap@frascone.com
Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com;=20 rbonica@juniper.net
Subject: RE: [Capwap] Issue 244: = Preamble Header=20 Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues=20 Database

Hi = Dorothy,
 
We had discussed this = earlier and=20 agreed that this was a "nice to have"
and not a = bug.  I recall=20 we received very clear direction from our=20
Area Director to focus = on fixing real=20 issues, and not deal with
optimizations:
http://= lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04168.html
=
 
I thought that is why=20 we had put it on our wish list. =20
I'm not clear why we are = opening=20 up items that we have
previously decided = items for=20 discussion again.
 
Thanks,
Abhijit
 

From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com=20 [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April = 04, 2007=20 11:32 AM
To: capwap@frascone.com
Cc:=20 margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net
Subject: = [Capwap] Issue=20 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues = Database

Dear WG,

While reviewing the recently = closed issues,=20 it appears that Issue 244, Preamble Header Optimization, was = mistakenly moved=20 to the Wish list without a clear decision from the WG to do so.  = As a=20 result, we'll be moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the = "features"=20 section of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue = and=20 decide what to do about it.  Issue 244 should be considered an = open issue=20 against the CAPWAP drafts.

Issue 244 was discussed on the = list under=20 issue 224 before the interim meeting, during the Interim meeting and = again=20 further discussed on the WG list.  The proposed solution was sent = to the=20 list on Jan 31, 2007 in this message:  http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html<= /U>

It does not appear that the WG = made a=20 decision on this issue either way, before it was moved to the Wish = list,=20 possibly because the discussion was lost inside a discussion of = related=20 issues.

The WG should consider the = proposed=20 solution for Issue 244, and discuss the following alternatives on the = WG list:=20

1) Adopt the proposed = optimizations=20
2) Reject the proposed=20 optimizations
3) Move = Issue 244 to=20 the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a bug fix) for future=20 consideration.


Best Regards,
Mani, Margaret and Dorothy=20

------_=_NextPart_001_01C777E1.3B6B226B-- --===============0935632128== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============0935632128==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 05 22:09:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZdtF-0005dK-Jx for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:09:25 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZdtD-0004id-Eo for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:09:25 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7A214491A4 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7744A40B4 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9FC39801B for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BE4398012 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Apr 2007 19:09:08 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36297oC012526; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:09:07 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l36297MF015678; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 02:09:07 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.124]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:09:06 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:09:06 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503E2E038@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA01066522@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database Thread-Index: Acd2543D8nsXPp+GSjaZErRtVl8K1gA5VFGAAASLW7AAA7UHsA== References: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0102D4EB@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503E2DF73@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA01066522@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 02:09:06.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E7A3AE0:01C777F0] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0925475343==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1e47b908cbd1247f22e7953a41f1c4c6 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0925475343== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C777F0.8E3DEBB1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C777F0.8E3DEBB1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dorothy, =20 I oppose this change because of its timing. I would support=20 option 3 - to move it to the wish list. =20 At this late stage, the only changes we should be considering are bug fixes, omissions and issues where more clarity is needed. This is a time when we should be converging on a final spec and=20 cleaning it up to send to WGLC. This is hardly the time to be =20 changing something fundamental like the data frame format for=20 some minor gains. If we want to optimize and fine=20 tune, I'm sure this issue isn't the only one. We need to keep our eye on the schedule, otherwise we could be at this for a=20 very long time. =20 Regards, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:19 PM To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: RE: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database Hi Abhijit- =20 The confusion regarding this issue and the reason its being reconsidered as an open issue is that based on the disucsssions during the interim meeting, the Chairs asked for this issue be discussed further on the list. Also during the interim its was suggested that we close new feautures and optimizations, as David Kessens email posted after the interim indicates. Some members of the WG believe this issue was not meant to go on the Wish List. All the chairs agree that direction for this issue and the timing of the Optimization freeze, was not clear to the WG. =20 =20 Since the timing is unclear, we are revisiting this on the WG list. We were hoping the WG membership would clearly indicate if they want to adopt the optimization, reject the optimization or put this on the Wish List. Note also, that this issue is not part of the April 9th consensus check deadline and should be considered outside the the call. =20 Do you care to voice your choice of alternatives? This may encourage others to do so also. We have a few opinions, but not much to base rough consensus on yet. =20 Best Regards, Dorothy ________________________________ From: ext Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:12 PM To: Gellert Dorothy (Nokia-SIR/MtView); capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: RE: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database =09 =09 Hi Dorothy, =20 We had discussed this earlier and agreed that this was a "nice to have" and not a bug. I recall we received very clear direction from our=20 Area Director to focus on fixing real issues, and not deal with optimizations: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04168.html =20 I thought that is why we had put it on our wish list. =20 I'm not clear why we are opening up items that we have=20 previously decided items for discussion again. =20 Thanks, Abhijit =20 =09 =09 ________________________________ From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:32 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues Database =09 =09 Dear WG,=20 While reviewing the recently closed issues, it appears that Issue 244, Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly moved to the Wish list without a clear decision from the WG to do so. As a result, we'll be moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and decide what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open issue against the CAPWAP drafts.=20 Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the interim meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on the WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 in this message: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html =20 It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either way, before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the discussion was lost inside a discussion of related issues. The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and discuss the following alternatives on the WG list:=20 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations=20 2) Reject the proposed optimizations=20 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a bug fix) for future consideration.=20 Best Regards,=20 Mani, Margaret and Dorothy=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C777F0.8E3DEBB1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from = Wish List to Active Issues Database
Hi Dorothy,
 
I oppose this change because of its timing. I = would support=20
option 3 - to move it to the wish = list.
 
At this late stage, the only changes we should = be=20 considering
are bug fixes, omissions and issues where more = clarity is=20 needed.
This is a time when we should be converging on=20 a final spec and=20
cleaning=20 it up to send to=20 WGLC.  This is hardly the time to be =20
changing something = fundamental like the data frame format for=20
some=20 minor gains.  = If we=20 want to optimize and fine
tune, I'm sure this issue isn't=20 the only one.  We need to=20 keep
our eye on the = schedule,=20 otherwise we could be at this for a
very long=20 time.
 
Regards,
Abhijit
 
 
 

From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com=20 [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, = 2007=20 5:19 PM
To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu);=20 capwap@frascone.com
Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com;=20 rbonica@juniper.net
Subject: RE: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble = Header=20 Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues = Database

Hi Abhijit-
 
The confusion regarding this issue and the = reason its being=20 reconsidered as an open issue is that based on the disucsssions during = the=20 interim meeting,  the Chairs asked for this issue be = discussed=20 further on the list.  Also during the interim its was suggested = that we=20 close new feautures and optimizations, as David Kessens email posted = after the=20 interim indicates.   Some members of the WG believe this issue = was not=20 meant to go on the Wish List.   All the chairs agree that = direction=20 for this issue and the timing of the Optimization freeze, was not clear = to the=20 WG. 
 
Since the timing is unclear, we are revisiting = this on the=20 WG list.    We were hoping the WG membership would = clearly=20 indicate if they want to adopt the optimization, reject the optimization = or put=20 this on the Wish List.    Note also, that this issue is = not part=20 of the April 9th consensus check deadline and should be considered = outside the=20 the call.
 
Do you care to voice your choice of=20 alternatives?  This may encourage others to do so also.  =  We=20 have a few opinions, but not much to base rough consensus on=20 yet.
 
Best Regards,
Dorothy
From: ext Abhijit Choudhury = (achoudhu)=20 [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 = 3:12=20 PM
To: Gellert Dorothy (Nokia-SIR/MtView);=20 capwap@frascone.com
Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com;=20 rbonica@juniper.net
Subject: RE: [Capwap] Issue 244: = Preamble Header=20 Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues=20 Database

Hi = Dorothy,
 
We had discussed this = earlier and=20 agreed that this was a "nice to have"
and not a = bug.  I recall=20 we received very clear direction from our=20
Area Director to focus = on fixing real=20 issues, and not deal with
optimizations:
http://= lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04168.html
=
 
I thought that is why=20 we had put it on our wish list. =20
I'm not clear why we are = opening=20 up items that we have
previously decided = items for=20 discussion again.
 
Thanks,
Abhijit
 

From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com=20 [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April = 04, 2007=20 11:32 AM
To: capwap@frascone.com
Cc:=20 margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net
Subject: = [Capwap] Issue=20 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from WishList to Active Issues = Database

Dear WG,

While reviewing the recently = closed issues,=20 it appears that Issue 244, Preamble Header Optimization, was = mistakenly moved=20 to the Wish list without a clear decision from the WG to do so.  = As a=20 result, we'll be moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the = "features"=20 section of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue = and=20 decide what to do about it.  Issue 244 should be considered an = open issue=20 against the CAPWAP drafts.

Issue 244 was discussed on the = list under=20 issue 224 before the interim meeting, during the Interim meeting and = again=20 further discussed on the WG list.  The proposed solution was sent = to the=20 list on Jan 31, 2007 in this message:  http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html<= /U>

It does not appear that the WG = made a=20 decision on this issue either way, before it was moved to the Wish = list,=20 possibly because the discussion was lost inside a discussion of = related=20 issues.

The WG should consider the = proposed=20 solution for Issue 244, and discuss the following alternatives on the = WG list:=20

1) Adopt the proposed = optimizations=20
2) Reject the proposed=20 optimizations
3) Move = Issue 244 to=20 the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a bug fix) for future=20 consideration.


Best Regards,
Mani, Margaret and Dorothy=20

------_=_NextPart_001_01C777F0.8E3DEBB1-- --===============0925475343== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============0925475343==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 00:59:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZgXu-0000qJ-8a for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:59:34 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZgXr-0005uM-RA for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:59:34 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0C414491A7 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8062E4A40B4 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1401144807D; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-ext12.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [131.228.20.171]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8311448024; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l364wsNw012008; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:58:57 +0300 Received: from daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.111]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:58:54 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:58:51 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:58:52 -0500 Message-ID: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA01066561@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption Thread-Index: Acd3146zMj0Teu02Qs6fjHjB0aDNZQAMGL3A From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 04:58:51.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[44F90370:01C77808] X-eXpurgate-Category: 1/0 X-eXpurgate-ID: 149371::070406075858-23E05BB0-4CE4D3F6/0-0/0-1 X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, dave@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] FW: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca Posting this on behalf of Bernard as it seems to have bounced off the WG list.. -Dorothy -----Original Message----- From: ext Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:10 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: Gellert Dorothy (Nokia-SIR/MtView) Subject: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption At IETF 68, Dorothy asked me to look at this issue and post some thoughts. One way to think about this issue is from the point of view of an IT administrator who is considering the deployment of WTPs within the enterprise. One of the potential benefits of CAPWAP in such a situation is to potentially provide the ability to replace the initially chosen controller with a controller from another vendor at a future date, without having to touch the WTPs. Since much of the installation cost involves the installation of the WTPs as opposed to the controller, controller replacements are much simpler and less expensive than WTP rollouts. In such a situation, it is in the interest of the IT administrator to maintain the greatest flexibility with respect to the choice of controllers. If the WTPs only support one particular mode (WTP encryption versus central encryption), then the administrator will only be able to choose a controller supporting the particular mode handled by the WTPs that have been installed. As a result, I believe it is quite important from the IT administrator perspective that the WTPs support multiple modes, but it is less important that controllers support multiple modes. In making a decision on the modes to be supported, the CAPWAP WG needs to think through the requirements for the WTPs and the controllers separately. 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X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 I will be out of the office starting 04/06/2007 and will not return until 04/19/2007. In my absence, feel free to leave an e-mail or contact Jim Hart at (860)405-2816 / jhart@ortronics.com for immediate assistance. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 11:44:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZqc8-0007yY-Ic for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:44:36 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZqc7-0002Fz-11 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:44:36 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBC0432525 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4674F4A408E for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E73431D5C; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88D9431D4B; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-6.cisco.com ([171.68.10.81]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Apr 2007 08:44:16 -0700 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-6.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36FiGTq016011; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:44:16 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l36FiGwp011567; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:44:16 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:44:16 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:44:15 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20389B7CB@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA01066561@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] FW: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption Thread-Index: Acd3146zMj0Teu02Qs6fjHjB0aDNZQAMGL3AABY3H7A= From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 15:44:16.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EADA3B0:01C77862] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-6; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim6002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, dave@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] FW: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9a2be21919e71dc6faef12b370c4ecf5 Sorry, I do not follow the logic. Let me use an analogy. I want to replace my car, and I believe that air bags are necessary. As I buyer, should I simply purchase any car and assume air bags are included because my old one had it? I don't think so. Protocols in the IETF are riddled with MAYs, SHOULDs and MUSTs. This was put in place to guarantee that vendors can interoperate with a certain level of baseline features, yet provides flexibility for vendors to innovate outside of the core features. Routing protocols have plenty of optional features - and customers seem ok with that. Has anyone claimed that all optional features in routing protocols must be MUSTs in order to ensure that all vendors shipping boxes have the exact same feature set? Absolutely not. Here we have a scenario where the default behavior is Local MAC w/ no tunneling. This behavior requires that the WTPs encrypt/decrypt the data, which is necessary since packets are not tunneled back to the controller. I would claim that a customer that makes a blind purchasing decision is going to be much more surprised when he turns on a controller that only supports Local MAC than the location of encryption in Split MAC. So buyers need to be smart. It is, btw, also the reason why the currently proposed text for issue 138 makes sense. Since Local MAC is the default, and it MUST support local encryption in the WTP, then using this same scheme in Split MAC simply makes sense. Not only does it guarantee compatibility with all 802.11 chipsets in the market, it guarantees support for any past and future 802.11 extension. Bernard's comment is interesting, but needs to be taken into context. Some vendors ship Local MAC, some Split MAC and some have both. To pick one specific segment of customers and say they are more important, and therefore that deployment scenario is a MUST vs others cannot be done. We need to create a protocol that provides value and ensures interoperability. I believe we have done this. I support the current proposed text for issue 138. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:59 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; dave@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] FW: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption Posting this on behalf of Bernard as it seems to have bounced off the WG list.. -Dorothy -----Original Message----- From: ext Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:10 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: Gellert Dorothy (Nokia-SIR/MtView) Subject: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption At IETF 68, Dorothy asked me to look at this issue and post some thoughts. One way to think about this issue is from the point of view of an IT administrator who is considering the deployment of WTPs within the enterprise. One of the potential benefits of CAPWAP in such a situation is to potentially provide the ability to replace the initially chosen controller with a controller from another vendor at a future date, without having to touch the WTPs. Since much of the installation cost involves the installation of the WTPs as opposed to the controller, controller replacements are much simpler and less expensive than WTP rollouts. In such a situation, it is in the interest of the IT administrator to maintain the greatest flexibility with respect to the choice of controllers. If the WTPs only support one particular mode (WTP encryption versus central encryption), then the administrator will only be able to choose a controller supporting the particular mode handled by the WTPs that have been installed. As a result, I believe it is quite important from the IT administrator perspective that the WTPs support multiple modes, but it is less important that controllers support multiple modes. In making a decision on the modes to be supported, the CAPWAP WG needs to think through the requirements for the WTPs and the controllers separately. While it might be ok to only mandate that controllers support WTP encryption, requiring that WTPs support one mode will remove much of the value that CAPWAP was supposed to provide to IT administrators. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 13:54:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZsdX-00047y-Ci for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:54:11 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZsdS-0004DU-LF for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:54:11 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC09A15402DF for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01424A408E for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC7A398022 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65602398043 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c31so1170420ana for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.91.6 with SMTP id o6mr2234030anb.1175882024794; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SJainT60 ( [216.31.249.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c29sm5552784anc.2007.04.06.10.53.42; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:53:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sudhanshu" To: , References: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA01066561@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:53:41 -0700 Message-ID: <005101c77874$8473f5c0$6700a8c0@arubanetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd3146zMj0Teu02Qs6fjHjB0aDNZQAMGL3AABpalWA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA01066561@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.022 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, dave@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] FW: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 I think it is an interesting observation and should be considered to address issues #138. The whole paradigm of centralized WLAN is related to ease of deployment and management. And we should not forget that CAPWAP WG is charted under O&M, although we are trying to develop control plane and data plane besides operation and management under single spec. _Suds -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:59 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; dave@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] FW: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption Posting this on behalf of Bernard as it seems to have bounced off the WG list.. -Dorothy -----Original Message----- From: ext Bernard Aboba [mailto:bernard_aboba@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:10 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: Gellert Dorothy (Nokia-SIR/MtView) Subject: Some Thoughts on WTP versus Centralized Encryption At IETF 68, Dorothy asked me to look at this issue and post some thoughts. One way to think about this issue is from the point of view of an IT administrator who is considering the deployment of WTPs within the enterprise. One of the potential benefits of CAPWAP in such a situation is to potentially provide the ability to replace the initially chosen controller with a controller from another vendor at a future date, without having to touch the WTPs. Since much of the installation cost involves the installation of the WTPs as opposed to the controller, controller replacements are much simpler and less expensive than WTP rollouts. In such a situation, it is in the interest of the IT administrator to maintain the greatest flexibility with respect to the choice of controllers. If the WTPs only support one particular mode (WTP encryption versus central encryption), then the administrator will only be able to choose a controller supporting the particular mode handled by the WTPs that have been installed. As a result, I believe it is quite important from the IT administrator perspective that the WTPs support multiple modes, but it is less important that controllers support multiple modes. In making a decision on the modes to be supported, the CAPWAP WG needs to think through the requirements for the WTPs and the controllers separately. While it might be ok to only mandate that controllers support WTP encryption, requiring that WTPs support one mode will remove much of the value that CAPWAP was supposed to provide to IT administrators. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 14:03:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZsmf-0001tB-1F for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:03:37 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZsmW-0007Hy-6t for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:03:37 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B156E398808 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5904A408E for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6EE1540274 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53DD1540269 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-7.cisco.com ([171.68.10.88]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Apr 2007 11:03:15 -0700 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-7.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36I3ECI013684; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:03:14 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l36I3EA8016439; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:03:14 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.124]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:03:14 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:03:13 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503E2E1F5@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 Thread-Index: Acd1l0t8/e7E8lMATAaPqTqmbZeQ3AC3UGSQ References: From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: "Margaret Wasserman" , "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 18:03:14.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8B38960:01C77875] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-7; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim7002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2beba50d0fcdeee5f091c59f204d4365 Here is my feedback on the consensus request. Issue #217: Figure 3 needs to be made conistent with the proposed text. The Protected field should say "WTP/AC". Issue #247 - Support the proposed text using "Length" field only. Issue #249 - Support making UDP-lite mandatory for IPv6. Issue #138 - Have expressed support in separate email in favor of making only encryption/decryption at WTP mandatory. Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 7:25 PM To: capwap Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250,#251 & #252 Hi All, As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8 issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April 10th. Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, 2007. Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus call for those issues to two weeks. Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after the corresponding editorial changes have been made. 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ DTLSIncomingSession 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list, but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and the issue will be closed. 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to address this issue. 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by making the change proposed on the list. 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP protocol This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working group could accept the following resolution: To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and AC MAY support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change, as circulated on the list. Mani, Dorothy & Margaret The CAPWAP Co-Chairs _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 15:22:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZu0Y-0000gK-7G for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:22:02 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZtvz-0005dp-Q4 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:17:21 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFAA15402D6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1645B4A40B6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4F9398087 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3774B398007 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Apr 2007 12:17:04 -0700 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36JH4Ap007799; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:17:04 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l36JH0ZT007113; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:17:00 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:17:00 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:16:59 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20389B944@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <46143E65.1020306@trapezenetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database Thread-Index: Acd3Gd8VjPkrztJwRZiefW3dn+39dABZewTw From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Jim Murphy" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 19:17:00.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[2686BD60:01C77880] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.372 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net, capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Jim, I have a question about the proposal. One of the issues discussed two IETF face to face meetings ago, was that before the version field was in the clear, an attack could be mounted that would allow the changing of the outer version. It is for this reason that the version field was replicated in the capwap header, since it was protected by DTLS. The proposal in issue 244 suffers from the above problem. I also presume that the "Reserved" field you show when DTLS is used would include the actual DTLS header, correct? Or are you instead proposing that the reserved field is optionally present, depending upon the value of the type field. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Jim Murphy [mailto:jmurphy@trapezenetworks.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:10 PM To: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database I support adopting the proposed optimizations. Thanks, Jim Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com wrote: > Dear WG, > > While reviewing the recently closed issues, it appears that Issue 244, > Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly moved to the Wish list > without a clear decision from the WG to do so. As a result, we'll be > moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section > of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and > decide what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open > issue against the CAPWAP drafts. > > Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the interim > meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on the > WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 > in this message: > _http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html_ > > It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either > way, before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the > discussion was lost inside a discussion of related issues. > > The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and > discuss the following alternatives on the WG list: > > 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations > 2) Reject the proposed optimizations > 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a > bug fix) for future consideration. > > > Best Regards, > Mani, Margaret and Dorothy > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 15:33:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZuBV-0007bz-5L for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:33:21 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZuBT-0000Yj-6v for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:33:21 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD35D15402C4 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0DD4A40B6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFA7398007 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 1 day 19:22:46 ago Received: from trpz.com (unknown [66.7.225.38]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E6A398029 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.21.20.126]) by trpz.com (8.13.5/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l36JWvaA006898; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: <4616A055.7010600@trapezenetworks.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:32:37 -0700 From: Jim Murphy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" References: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20389B944@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20389B944@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net, capwap@frascone.com, Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8f374d0786b25a451ef87d82c076f593 For a DTLS encrypted packet the format would look like this: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | DTLS hdr | . . . . | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Radio MAC Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload .... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Which is exactly the same as the -05 draft. For a Non-DTLS encrypted packet the format would look like this: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Radio MAC Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload .... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Note, in all these figures "|Version| Type |" is replaced with "|CAPWAP Preamble|" in the email referenced by Dorothy below. So, no the proposal in issue 244 does not suffer from the above problem since when DTLS is used it is exactly the same the -05 draft. The version appears in both the shim and the encrypted CAPWAP header so its value may be validated. Thanks, Jim Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > Jim, > > I have a question about the proposal. One of the issues discussed two > IETF face to face meetings ago, was that before the version field was in > the clear, an attack could be mounted that would allow the changing of > the outer version. It is for this reason that the version field was > replicated in the capwap header, since it was protected by DTLS. > > The proposal in issue 244 suffers from the above problem. > > I also presume that the "Reserved" field you show when DTLS is used > would include the actual DTLS header, correct? Or are you instead > proposing that the reserved field is optionally present, depending upon > the value of the type field. > > PatC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Murphy [mailto:jmurphy@trapezenetworks.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:10 PM > To: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com > Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net; capwap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from > Wish List to Active Issues Database > > I support adopting the proposed optimizations. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com wrote: >> Dear WG, >> >> While reviewing the recently closed issues, it appears that Issue 244, > >> Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly moved to the Wish list >> without a clear decision from the WG to do so. As a result, we'll be >> moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section >> of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and >> decide what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open >> issue against the CAPWAP drafts. >> >> Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the interim > >> meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on the > >> WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 >> in this message: >> _http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html_ >> >> It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either >> way, before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the >> discussion was lost inside a discussion of related issues. >> >> The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and >> discuss the following alternatives on the WG list: >> >> 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations >> 2) Reject the proposed optimizations >> 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a >> bug fix) for future consideration. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> Mani, Margaret and Dorothy >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 16:13:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZuoi-0002wC-0Q for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:13:52 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZuod-0005o3-FX for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:13:51 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E270E15402C5 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907614A40B6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A375154028D for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.225]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC04C1540263 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id o37so838152nzf for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.75.1 with SMTP id x1mr1330496waa.1175890411980; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.166.12 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <26140d940704061313v27a873c0y184d3969463061eb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:13:31 -0400 From: "Michael Montemurro" To: "Merwyn Andrade" In-Reply-To: <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A081D8@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> <903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <1C59AFB0-88BF-4DF3-BEC9-B1C21A3E231E@thingmagic.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A08050@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <8628F5CC-6158-4121-A005-CEFCFB14B47F@thingmagic.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A081D8@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: Margaret Wasserman , capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 Merwyn, Thank you for your North American centric view of the WLAN switch market. Siemens has a significant marketshare world-wide and supports local-MAC CAPWAP architecture. Both types of architectures have their strengths and weaknesses. Local MAC architectures provide a much more flexible architecture for deploying WLANs. They give the option of bridging traffic locally or tunneling to the controller. It's unfortuntate that some of the market leaders don't see the advantages of both architectures. Given that every WLAN chipset on the market today does onboard encryption, I see no technical advantage in implementing encrption at the controller. I only see disadvantages in latency and scalability. I acknowledge that there are some customer scenarios where encryption at the AC may be desired. That is why I believe it should be an option for CAPWAP. Cheers, Mike On 4/5/07, Merwyn Andrade wrote: > Margaret > > Even if you don't reopen the Split-MAC (SM) decision (unfortunate, but I > can understand in the interests of moving things forward) please take > into account my points about the market data I have provided that make > the case for #138 to not have one side optional, or refute it. > > Counters to the arguments in summary made so far > 1) Arguments that this is difficult to implement etc - these can only be > valid if folks have tried. Out of the #1, 2 and 3 market leaders for > WLAN Switching out there (Cisco, Aruba and Symbol - pick your favorite > report for ordering), two out of the three (Aruba and Symbol) support > centralized (C) encryption and distributed (D) showing that it is a > matter of choice not degree of difficulty. Hopefully the group can see > why the #1 player would not like the market to have this option (C) in > there. I can understand their interests in not seeing the playing field > leveled but forgive me for not being too sympathetic. > 2) We chose Split-MAC as optional and so this should be optional too - > This is simply compounding one mistake with another. Even if we don't > reopen the SM decision I would request we look at each issue (in this > case #138) and if there is fresh context on market data that was never > provided before it behooves us to do the right thing for our customers > and the base CAPWAP standard. > 3) Conforming to the DOD 8100.2 directive - it is possible to build > systems yhat meet this directive with both centralized and distributed, > but as I have shown more gear is required as well as FIPS certifications > of APs are needed if they mate up to the distributed encryption only AC > suppliers. On the other hand any vendor of APs/WTPs can with CAPWAP > centralized encryption support (on their WTP) mate up to centralized > encryption ACs (for now Aruba/Symbol-Motorola) and maybe in future more > to immediately make more CAPWAP WTPs available to one of the largest > emerging markets in the world Fortune #1 (i.e. the US.Govt). > > We need to make baseline CAPWAP useful in the real world and keep our > options open on #138. The world is SM, we and others have implemented > both C and D, and I would like to see arguments made against my points > that stand up to scrutiny. > > Regards > Merv > > Merwyn (Merv) Andrade > CTO, Aruba Networks > merv@arubanetworks.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:07 AM > To: Merwyn Andrade > Cc: Scott G Kelly; capwap; Dorothy Gellert > Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, > #249, #250, #251 & #252 > > > Hi Merv, > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: > > I missed the split-MAC being optional piece. That is indeed very > > unfortunate for the baseline CAPWAP standard since the majority of the > > switch architectures out there (accounting for > 90% of market-share) > > employ exactly that model. > [...] > > I encourage folks to consider reopening that decision given the market > > reality details above. > > The decision that split-MAC mode would be optional was made a long > time ago, so unless some new technical information comes to light > that indicates that there is a blocking technical problem with this > (which is very unlikely), we are not going to reopen that question now. > > So, we need to make the decision about which of the two security > models is mandatory or optional on each end with the understanding > that split-MAC mode _is_ optional. > > Margaret > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 16:14:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZupD-0004VP-Fn for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:14:23 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZupB-0006Ag-Rv for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:14:23 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8AE15402D6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9140E4A40B6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D431540267 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D85315402CB for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Apr 2007 13:13:49 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36KDlTl015117; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:47 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l36KDdMF028557; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:13:39 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:39 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:13:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20389B9A6@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4616A055.7010600@trapezenetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database Thread-Index: Acd4gmT1CHoRDhQZRMS1Mcgei4Ge4QABX/zQ From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Jim Murphy" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 20:13:39.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[10A73F30:01C77888] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net, capwap@frascone.com, Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a0494a0224ca59418dd8f92694c1fdb OK, thanks. While I am not a complete fan of the proposal, in the spirit of collaboration and moving spec forward, I am willing to be supportive of the proposed change. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Jim Murphy [mailto:jmurphy@trapezenetworks.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:33 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Cc: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com; margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net; capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved from Wish List to Active Issues Database For a DTLS encrypted packet the format would look like this: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | DTLS hdr | . . . . | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Radio MAC Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload .... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Which is exactly the same as the -05 draft. For a Non-DTLS encrypted packet the format would look like this: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Radio MAC Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload .... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Note, in all these figures "|Version| Type |" is replaced with "|CAPWAP Preamble|" in the email referenced by Dorothy below. So, no the proposal in issue 244 does not suffer from the above problem since when DTLS is used it is exactly the same the -05 draft. The version appears in both the shim and the encrypted CAPWAP header so its value may be validated. Thanks, Jim Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > Jim, > > I have a question about the proposal. One of the issues discussed two > IETF face to face meetings ago, was that before the version field was > in the clear, an attack could be mounted that would allow the changing > of the outer version. It is for this reason that the version field was > replicated in the capwap header, since it was protected by DTLS. > > The proposal in issue 244 suffers from the above problem. > > I also presume that the "Reserved" field you show when DTLS is used > would include the actual DTLS header, correct? Or are you instead > proposing that the reserved field is optionally present, depending > upon the value of the type field. > > PatC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Murphy [mailto:jmurphy@trapezenetworks.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:10 PM > To: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com > Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net; capwap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization moved > from Wish List to Active Issues Database > > I support adopting the proposed optimizations. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com wrote: >> Dear WG, >> >> While reviewing the recently closed issues, it appears that Issue >> 244, > >> Preamble Header Optimization, was mistakenly moved to the Wish list >> without a clear decision from the WG to do so. As a result, we'll be >> moving issue 244 from the Wish list back into the "features" section >> of the database, so that the WG can further discuss this issue and >> decide what to do about it. Issue 244 should be considered an open >> issue against the CAPWAP drafts. >> >> Issue 244 was discussed on the list under issue 224 before the >> interim > >> meeting, during the Interim meeting and again further discussed on >> the > >> WG list. The proposed solution was sent to the list on Jan 31, 2007 >> in this message: >> _http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html_ >> >> It does not appear that the WG made a decision on this issue either >> way, before it was moved to the Wish list, possibly because the >> discussion was lost inside a discussion of related issues. >> >> The WG should consider the proposed solution for Issue 244, and >> discuss the following alternatives on the WG list: >> >> 1) Adopt the proposed optimizations >> 2) Reject the proposed optimizations >> 3) Move Issue 244 to the Wish list (as this is an optimization, not a >> bug fix) for future consideration. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> Mani, Margaret and Dorothy >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> -- >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 17:16:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZvnZ-0001pG-Re for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:16:45 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZvnY-0005Hd-BM for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:16:45 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD8A15402C1 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADB44A40B6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15A61540267 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 1 day 21:06:13 ago Received: from trpz.com (unknown [66.7.225.38]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B531540269 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.21.20.126]) by trpz.com (8.13.5/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l36LGPu1011033; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:16:27 -0700 Message-ID: <4616B897.8040904@trapezenetworks.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:16:07 -0700 From: Jim Murphy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Margaret Wasserman References: In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8fbbaa16f9fd29df280814cb95ae2290 Here is my feedback on the consensus request: For the following issues I accept the proposed solutions as detailed in the attached email: 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ DTLSIncomingSession 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP protocol For the following issue I accept the proposed solution as further refined on the list by Puneet and Pat: 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets Thanks, Jim Margaret Wasserman wrote: > Hi All, > > As you have seen in previous e-mail from the editors, we discussed 8 > issues at the CAPWAP WG meeting in Prague. This message is an > attempt to confirm our consensus on those issues, and to close all > eight issues by April 9th, so that the changes can be made in the > CAPWAP documents and sent to the IEEE for review starting on April 10th. > > Please Note: This is a ONE WEEK consensus call ending on APRIL 9th, > 2007. > > Usually, we have two week consensus calls, but given that the agreed > resolutions were sent to the mailing two weeks ago, and that there > has been little or no objection to the proposed changes on the > mailing list, we are having a ONE WEEK consensus call, in order to > allow the group to meet our IEEE review deadline. If anyone has a > strong objection to holding a one week consensus call on one or more > of these issues, please let us know, and we will extend the consensus > call for those issues to two weeks. > > Three of the open issues are editorial, which means that the editors > will make the fixes and close these issues. Please let us know if > there is any objection to closing the three issues listed below after > the corresponding editorial changes have been made. > > 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. > 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ > DTLSIncomingSession > 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined > > The resolution to one issue had been previously agreed on the list, > but the edits were not included in the -02 draft, due to an > oversight. The changes were mentioned in the meeting and > recirculated to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and there has > been no objection to making them. So, unless there is any objection > before April 9th, the agreed change will be made by the editors, and > the issue will be closed. > > 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? > > There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: > > 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets > > For this issue, we agreed that we should be able to handle 8-byte MAC > addresses in the CAPWAP protocol, and that it would be good to be > flexible to other MAC address lengths. There was general agreement > in the room for a solution that replaced raw MAC addresses with a > type-address pair. Pat Calhoun proposed text on the list on March > 19th that uses the type-address pair, and Puneet Agarwal raised an > objection indicating that he would prefer a type-length-address > triplet. No one else has offered support for the type-length-address > triplet approach, so the chairs believe that we have rough consensus > to proceed with the type-address approach, as discussed in Prague. > > 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP > > There was general agreement in Prague that UDP-Lite should be the > mandatory transport for IPv6, with a checksum coverage length of 8. > Text to this effect was circulated on the list on March 19th, and > there has been no objection. There was a question about CAPWAP's use > of UDP ports, and a separate issues (#254) has been opened to clarify > that behavior. So, seeing no objection, the chairs believe that the > group has consensus to make the changes circulated on March 19th to > address this issue. > > 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential > > There was agreement in Prague that this needed to be fixed. Proposed > text was sent to the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th, and no > objections or questions have been raised about that text. So, the > chairs believe that the WG has consensus to resolve this issue by > making the change proposed on the list. > > 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP > protocol > > This was the most contentious issue discussed in Prague, and it was > difficult for us to reach consensus within the room about how to > close this issue. In the end, we reached consensus that the working > group could accept the following resolution: > > To provide system component interoperability, the WTP and AC must > support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the WTP. The WTP and AC MAY > support 802.11 encryption/decryption at the AC. > > This text was circulated on the list by Pat Calhoun on March 19th. > There has been no objection on the mailing list, so the chairs > believe that the WG has rough consensus to proceed with this change, > as circulated on the list. > > Mani, Dorothy & Margaret > The CAPWAP Co-Chairs > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From ahumanities@junora.com Fri Apr 06 17:42:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZwCw-0000PM-BQ; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:42:59 -0400 Received: from maciejfranta.88net.trzepak.pl ([194.9.52.148] helo=frant.88net.trzepak.pl) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZwBb-0006Jb-9R; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:42:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 63741 invoked from network); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:41:41 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO frant) (ahumanities@junora.com@158.181.246.113) by 943409c2junora.com with SMTP; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:41:41 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01c778a5$20836f10$06746aa4@frant> From: Aline V. 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------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C776E0.CDB76A90-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 06 20:43:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZz1X-0007fR-1L for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:43:23 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZz1V-00061p-Dq for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:43:23 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEB31540291 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E824A40B8 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C347398029 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 days 00:32:41 ago Received: from trpz.com (unknown [66.7.225.38]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11D439801E for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.21.20.126]) by trpz.com (8.13.5/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l370ghYT018450; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:42:52 -0700 Message-ID: <4616E8F0.9000904@trapezenetworks.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:42:24 -0700 From: Jim Murphy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Montemurro References: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A4175132A@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> <903C9A7F-C272-4510-8CED-BFA17F847FFE@thingmagic.com> <46124D9D.6090503@hyperthought.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A0766B@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <1C59AFB0-88BF-4DF3-BEC9-B1C21A3E231E@thingmagic.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A08050@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <8628F5CC-6158-4121-A005-CEFCFB14B47F@thingmagic.com> <99C8B9B2AD99664A87E12C839A2E909305A081D8@aruba-mx1.arubanetworks.com> <26140d940704061313v27a873c0y184d3969463061eb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26140d940704061313v27a873c0y184d3969463061eb@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: Margaret Wasserman , capwap , Dorothy Gellert Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93e7fb8fef2e780414389440f367c879 Michael, Well stated. There is another thorny problem with the requirement to support centralized encryption at the WTP. When tunneling back local-MAC frames to the AC you would not prefer to use 802.11i encryption but would rather prefer to use DTLS encryption on the data plane. Using DTLS to secure data to the AC has the positive attribute in that by running local MAC on the WTP you can make effective use of 802.11n features like frame aggregation while still supporting centralized encryption. If we want to make centralized encryption a requirement, we should consider the merits of DTLS over 802.11i. To avoid such issues, centralized encryption should be optional at the WTP and the AC. Thanks, Jim Michael Montemurro wrote: > Merwyn, > > Thank you for your North American centric view of the WLAN switch > market. Siemens has a significant marketshare world-wide and supports > local-MAC CAPWAP architecture. Both types of architectures have their > strengths and weaknesses. Local MAC architectures provide a much more > flexible architecture for deploying WLANs. They give the option of > bridging traffic locally or tunneling to the controller. It's > unfortuntate that some of the market leaders don't see the advantages > of both architectures. > > Given that every WLAN chipset on the market today does onboard > encryption, I see no technical advantage in implementing encrption at > the controller. I only see disadvantages in latency and scalability. I > acknowledge that there are some customer scenarios where encryption at > the AC may be desired. That is why I believe it should be an option > for CAPWAP. > > Cheers, > > Mike > > On 4/5/07, Merwyn Andrade wrote: >> Margaret >> >> Even if you don't reopen the Split-MAC (SM) decision (unfortunate, but I >> can understand in the interests of moving things forward) please take >> into account my points about the market data I have provided that make >> the case for #138 to not have one side optional, or refute it. >> >> Counters to the arguments in summary made so far >> 1) Arguments that this is difficult to implement etc - these can only be >> valid if folks have tried. Out of the #1, 2 and 3 market leaders for >> WLAN Switching out there (Cisco, Aruba and Symbol - pick your favorite >> report for ordering), two out of the three (Aruba and Symbol) support >> centralized (C) encryption and distributed (D) showing that it is a >> matter of choice not degree of difficulty. Hopefully the group can see >> why the #1 player would not like the market to have this option (C) in >> there. I can understand their interests in not seeing the playing field >> leveled but forgive me for not being too sympathetic. >> 2) We chose Split-MAC as optional and so this should be optional too - >> This is simply compounding one mistake with another. Even if we don't >> reopen the SM decision I would request we look at each issue (in this >> case #138) and if there is fresh context on market data that was never >> provided before it behooves us to do the right thing for our customers >> and the base CAPWAP standard. >> 3) Conforming to the DOD 8100.2 directive - it is possible to build >> systems yhat meet this directive with both centralized and distributed, >> but as I have shown more gear is required as well as FIPS certifications >> of APs are needed if they mate up to the distributed encryption only AC >> suppliers. On the other hand any vendor of APs/WTPs can with CAPWAP >> centralized encryption support (on their WTP) mate up to centralized >> encryption ACs (for now Aruba/Symbol-Motorola) and maybe in future more >> to immediately make more CAPWAP WTPs available to one of the largest >> emerging markets in the world Fortune #1 (i.e. the US.Govt). >> >> We need to make baseline CAPWAP useful in the real world and keep our >> options open on #138. The world is SM, we and others have implemented >> both C and D, and I would like to see arguments made against my points >> that stand up to scrutiny. >> >> Regards >> Merv >> >> Merwyn (Merv) Andrade >> CTO, Aruba Networks >> merv@arubanetworks.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:07 AM >> To: Merwyn Andrade >> Cc: Scott G Kelly; capwap; Dorothy Gellert >> Subject: Re: [Capwap] CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, >> #249, #250, #251 & #252 >> >> >> Hi Merv, >> >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Merwyn Andrade wrote: >>> I missed the split-MAC being optional piece. That is indeed very >>> unfortunate for the baseline CAPWAP standard since the majority of the >>> switch architectures out there (accounting for > 90% of market-share) >>> employ exactly that model. >> [...] >>> I encourage folks to consider reopening that decision given the market >>> reality details above. >> The decision that split-MAC mode would be optional was made a long >> time ago, so unless some new technical information comes to light >> that indicates that there is a blocking technical problem with this >> (which is very unlikely), we are not going to reopen that question now. >> >> So, we need to make the decision about which of the two security >> models is mandatory or optional on each end with the understanding >> that split-MAC mode _is_ optional. >> >> Margaret >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap >> > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From aiijuatlg@blevinselectric.com Fri Apr 06 21:25:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZzgU-0007Ns-2c for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:25:42 -0400 Received: from [72.252.32.8] (helo=[72.252.32.8]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZzgS-0003E4-EC for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:25:42 -0400 From: "this" To: capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Get pre-qualified Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:24:36 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C77889.987E5FA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acd4iZh++e9/n2paTWGn8chq/axsAA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <5E47B3A00197520.046921CBB6@blevinselectric.com> X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C77889.987E5FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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for capwap-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:51:21 -0400 Message-ID: <044401c77904$3abc92f0$0596b3d0@zphylak> Reply-To: "YSonia Verna" From: "YSonia Verna" To: Subject: A norm Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:48:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_03D4E73A.B96F2AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.1081 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2720.1081 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 86f85b2f88b0d50615aed44a7f9e33c7 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_03D4E73A.B96F2AB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_03D4E73A.B96F2AB0" ------=_NextPart_001_0000_03D4E73A.B96F2AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a commuter van in Yala province and killed eight passengers, shooting them in the alerted the Food and Drug Administration, which already has inspectors in one of "At this juncture, we're not 100 percent sure what's happened," said Paul Henderson, the two plants, Henderson said. The FDA was working to nail down brand names covered Classics; Nutro Natural Choice; Paws; Presidents Choice; Price Chopper; Priority; and hoped to convince local Muslims that authorities were behind the violence -- a kidney failure and about 10 died after eating the affected pet food, the company stunned by a cold-blooded attack last week in which suspected insurgents ambushed ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) -- Michigan basketball coach Tommy Amaker was fired Saturday by the Menu Foods Income Fund, based in Ontario, Canada.Henderson said the recall Giant Companion; Good n Meaty; Hannaford; Hill Country Fare; Hy-Vee; Key Food; company's "cuts and gravy" style food, which consists of chunks of meat in gravy, ranging in age from 13 to 17, were being treated for gun shot wounds and other injuries, at the Bamrungsart Pohnor school, a Muslim boarding school in the Sabayoi district the two plants, Henderson said. The FDA was working to nail down brand names covered the Kroger Co., Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and PetSmart Inc., among others, of attacking Muslim people to instigate villagers and get them to believe that police store brands -- recalled 60 million containers of wet pet food Friday after on Thursday. Army spokesman Col. Akara Thiprot said it was the first time the food companies, including Procter & Gamble Co.Proctor & Gamble announced Friday Save-A-Lot; Schnucks; Sophistacat; Special Kitty; Springfield Pride; Sprout; under the Iams and Eukanuba brands. The recalled products bear the code dates of two Muslim civilians.Thailand's military imposed a curfew in two Yala districts cats after they had been fed its products. 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a commuter van in Yala province and killed eight passengers, shooting them in the alerted the Food and Drug Administration, which already has inspectors in one of "At this juncture, we're not 100 percent sure what's happened," said Paul Henderson, the two plants, Henderson said. The FDA was working to nail down brand names covered Classics; Nutro Natural Choice; Paws; Presidents Choice; Price Chopper; Priority;
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the Kroger Co., Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and PetSmart Inc., among others, of attacking Muslim people to instigate villagers and get them to believe that police store brands -- recalled 60 million containers of wet pet food Friday after on Thursday. Army spokesman Col. Akara Thiprot said it was the first time the food companies, including Procter & Gamble Co.Proctor & Gamble announced Friday Save-A-Lot; Schnucks; Sophistacat; Special Kitty; Springfield Pride; Sprout; under the Iams and Eukanuba brands. The recalled products bear the code dates of two Muslim civilians.Thailand's military imposed a curfew in two Yala districts cats after they had been fed its products. It has tested its products but not Compliments; Demoulas Market Basket; Fine Feline Cat, Shep Dog; Food Lion; Foodtown; head execution-style.The incident, which occurred Wednesday, was followed that at the Bamrungsart Pohnor school, a Muslim boarding school in the Sabayoi district sold in cans and small foil pouches between December 3 and March 6 throughout and Pennsauken, New Jersey, Henderson said.Henderson said the company received an by the recall, agency spokesman Mike Herndon said.Menu Foods is majority-owned said in announcing the North American recall. Product testing has not revealed the company's president and chief executive officer. 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(CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2022827 for capwap@frascone.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:35:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) References: Message-Id: <3BCE98D8-CAC6-4A62-80EF-FF8BADD39733@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:35:15 -0400 To: capwap X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Fwd: CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 Hi All, Here are the results of the call for consensus confirmation that was sent to the list on April 2nd. > 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. > 250 Clarification onDTLSRehandshake/DTLSPeerAuthorize/ > DTLSIncomingSession > 252 Hearbeat timer is undefined No one objected to the editors' proposed resolutions to these issues. > 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? No one objected to including the previously-agreed fix in the new document. > There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: > > 247 MAC Addresses can be larger than 6 octets There was discussion of this issue, and consensus emerged to adopt the editors' proposed resolution with one modification: the type field will be changed to a length field. > 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. > 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. > 138 Support and negotiation of WTP data encryption in the CAPWAP > protocol There was some discussion of this issue, with two people who were not in Prague speaking out against the proposed resolution and two people who were not in Prague speaking out in favor of the proposed resolution. There were also messages from some of the people who did attend the meeting in Prague, supporting the conclusions that we reached at the meeting, even in light of the arguments made on the list. So, the chairs believe that the group continues to have rough consensus to proceed with the proposed resolution to issue #138, as reached in Prague. The editors will now publish documents with the agreed changes, so that we can send both documents (the CAPWAP base spec and the IEEE 802.11 binding) to the IEEE for Review. The IEEE needs about one month to review these documents before their meeting in May, so we will be working to get these documents to them as quickly as possible. We also expect to be starting a Working Group Last Call on both documents fairly soon, once we have determined the status of a few remaining issues. Dorothy, Mani & Margaret The CAPWAP WG Chairs _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 11 15:03:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hbi6l-0002Iq-Mf for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:03:55 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hbi6k-00043f-6E for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:03:55 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F3E14491BB for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC8E4A40A0 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51AF1448007 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.237]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D411448B65 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s8so295984wxc for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.93.6 with SMTP id q6mr1019854agb.1176318216078; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SJainT60 ( [216.31.249.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id v15sm1895290pyh.2007.04.11.12.03.34; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sudhanshu" To: "'Margaret Wasserman'" , "'capwap'" References: <3BCE98D8-CAC6-4A62-80EF-FF8BADD39733@thingmagic.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:03:31 -0700 Message-ID: <004401c77c6c$1ab43b80$4566640a@arubanetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <3BCE98D8-CAC6-4A62-80EF-FF8BADD39733@thingmagic.com> Thread-Index: Acd8X9y1qBJ14CnnR9yGyheEWkTuGQACirvQ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] Fwd: CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248, #249, #250, #251 & #252 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Please see my inline comments. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. [Suds] Reiterate my previous position, sending both addresses IPv4 and IPv6 should not be precluded, especially in the "Discovery Response". > 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? No one objected to including the previously-agreed fix in the new document. [Suds] As I said in my previous response, proposed resolution should also address figure 3. "Protected" field will be edited by both AC/WTP. > There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: > > 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. [Suds] I disagree with this assessment. As the issues subject says, UDP-lite should be optional, but the proposed solution does not make it clear. UDP and UDP-lite both option should be valid for IPv6. > 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. [Suds] I am not very clear behind this timer getting tied with the echo interval. Editor(s) please comment. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 11 15:13:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbiFu-0005LJ-LW for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:13:22 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HbiFt-0007cP-45 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:13:22 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA87414491A0 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1204A40A0 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9703E144913A for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23271449120 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Apr 2007 12:13:08 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,395,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="477540300:sNHT72271224" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3BJD7KR027119; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:13:07 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3BJCNZr029821; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:13:07 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.124]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:13:03 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:13:19 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503EA2E8F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <004401c77c6c$1ab43b80$4566640a@arubanetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Issue 217 Thread-Index: Acd8X9y1qBJ14CnnR9yGyheEWkTuGQACirvQAACggEA= References: <3BCE98D8-CAC6-4A62-80EF-FF8BADD39733@thingmagic.com> <004401c77c6c$1ab43b80$4566640a@arubanetworks.com> From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: "Sudhanshu" , "Margaret Wasserman" , "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 19:13:03.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D9B4400:01C77C6D] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue 217 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 I agree with Sudhanshu on Issue 217. Fig. 3 needs to be made consistent with the accepted text. In Fig 3. in the bindings doc, we need to replace Protected AC with Protected WTP/AC Here is the updated figure: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ MAC header field Location Frame Control: Version AC ToDS AC FromDS AC Type AC SubType AC MoreFrag WTP/AC Retry WTP Pwr Mgmt - MoreData WTP Protected WTP/AC Order AC Duration: WTP Address 1: AC Address 2: AC Address 3: AC Sequence Ctrl: WTP Address 4: AC QoS Control: AC Frame Body: AC FCS: WTP Figure 3: Population of the IEEE 802.11 MAC header Fields for Downlink Frames ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:04 PM To: 'Margaret Wasserman'; 'capwap' Subject: Re: [Capwap] Fwd: CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248,#249, #250, #251 & #252 Please see my inline comments. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. [Suds] Reiterate my previous position, sending both addresses IPv4 and IPv6 should not be precluded, especially in the "Discovery Response". > 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? No one objected to including the previously-agreed fix in the new document. [Suds] As I said in my previous response, proposed resolution should also address figure 3. "Protected" field will be edited by both AC/WTP. > There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: > > 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. [Suds] I disagree with this assessment. As the issues subject says, UDP-lite should be optional, but the proposed solution does not make it clear. UDP and UDP-lite both option should be valid for IPv6. > 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. [Suds] I am not very clear behind this timer getting tied with the echo interval. 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PatC -----Original Message----- From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:13 PM To: Sudhanshu; Margaret Wasserman; capwap Subject: [Capwap] Issue 217 I agree with Sudhanshu on Issue 217. Fig. 3 needs to be made consistent with the accepted text. In Fig 3. in the bindings doc, we need to replace Protected AC with Protected WTP/AC Here is the updated figure: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ MAC header field Location Frame Control: Version AC ToDS AC FromDS AC Type AC SubType AC MoreFrag WTP/AC Retry WTP Pwr Mgmt - MoreData WTP Protected WTP/AC Order AC Duration: WTP Address 1: AC Address 2: AC Address 3: AC Sequence Ctrl: WTP Address 4: AC QoS Control: AC Frame Body: AC FCS: WTP Figure 3: Population of the IEEE 802.11 MAC header Fields for Downlink Frames ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:04 PM To: 'Margaret Wasserman'; 'capwap' Subject: Re: [Capwap] Fwd: CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, #248,#249, #250, #251 & #252 Please see my inline comments. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. [Suds] Reiterate my previous position, sending both addresses IPv4 and IPv6 should not be precluded, especially in the "Discovery Response". > 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? No one objected to including the previously-agreed fix in the new document. [Suds] As I said in my previous response, proposed resolution should also address figure 3. "Protected" field will be edited by both AC/WTP. > There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: > > 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. [Suds] I disagree with this assessment. As the issues subject says, UDP-lite should be optional, but the proposed solution does not make it clear. UDP and UDP-lite both option should be valid for IPv6. > 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. 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<0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503EA2E8F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> References: <3BCE98D8-CAC6-4A62-80EF-FF8BADD39733@thingmagic.com> <004401c77c6c$1ab43b80$4566640a@arubanetworks.com> <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503EA2E8F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <570BEFEB-7FC2-4D47-80BF-483A7A1CAC55@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:46:10 -0400 To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 217 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2beba50d0fcdeee5f091c59f204d4365 Hi Abhijit, I'm sorry for not mentioning Sudhanshu's correction in the previous message. This is a necessary correction, as Pat has already indicated. I view this as a helpful amendment to the text that Pat circulated, and not as an objection to the proposed changes. Thanks to you, and especially to Sudhanshu for noticing this! Margaret On Apr 11, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) wrote: > I agree with Sudhanshu on Issue 217. Fig. 3 needs to be made > consistent with the accepted text. > > In Fig 3. in the bindings doc, we need to replace > > Protected AC > > with > > Protected WTP/AC > > > Here is the updated figure: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ------ > MAC header field Location > Frame Control: > Version AC > ToDS AC > FromDS AC > Type AC > SubType AC > MoreFrag WTP/AC > Retry WTP > Pwr Mgmt - > MoreData WTP > Protected WTP/AC > Order AC > Duration: WTP > Address 1: AC > Address 2: AC > Address 3: AC > Sequence Ctrl: WTP > Address 4: AC > QoS Control: AC > Frame Body: AC > FCS: WTP > > Figure 3: Population of the IEEE 802.11 MAC header Fields for > Downlink Frames > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ------ > > Thanks, > Abhijit > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:04 PM > To: 'Margaret Wasserman'; 'capwap' > Subject: Re: [Capwap] Fwd: CONSENSUS CONFIRMATION: #138, #217, #247, > #248,#249, #250, #251 & #252 > > Please see my inline comments. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:margaret@thingmagic.com] > > >> 248 Both IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses not required. > [Suds] Reiterate my previous position, sending both addresses IPv4 and > IPv6 should not be precluded, especially in the "Discovery Response". > >> 217 What is frame format with WTP encrypts/decrypts? > > No one objected to including the previously-agreed fix in the new > document. > > [Suds] As I said in my previous response, proposed resolution should > also address figure 3. > "Protected" field will be edited by both AC/WTP. > >> There were also four substantive issues discussed by the group: >> > >> 249 UDP-Lite as optional transport for CAPWAP > > There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. > > [Suds] I disagree with this assessment. As the issues subject says, > UDP-lite should be optional, but the proposed solution does not > make it > clear. UDP and UDP-lite both option should be valid for IPv6. > >> 251 Retransmission of control packets is not exponential > > There was no disagreement with the editors' proposed resolution. > > [Suds] I am not very clear behind this timer getting tied with the > echo > interval. Editor(s) please comment. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 12 13:17:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2vH-0001Wn-OV for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:17:27 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc2vE-0003UD-8J for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:17:27 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B502B14491BF for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB774A408E for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AA81448266 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB808144801E for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s8so591849wxc for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.177.16 with SMTP id z16mr1598931ane.1176398230414; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SJainT60 ( [216.31.249.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d29sm1412043and.2007.04.12.10.17.09; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sudhanshu" To: "'capwap'" References: <3BCE98D8-CAC6-4A62-80EF-FF8BADD39733@thingmagic.com> <004401c77c6c$1ab43b80$4566640a@arubanetworks.com> <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503EA2E8F@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> <570BEFEB-7FC2-4D47-80BF-483A7A1CAC55@thingmagic.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:17:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c77d26$671c5dd0$4566640a@arubanetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <570BEFEB-7FC2-4D47-80BF-483A7A1CAC55@thingmagic.com> Thread-Index: Acd9GbZUH/HxhCA2SxGOWep9E1MPewADGjAg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Currently we have not defined the WTP IPv6 address message element. WTP IPv6 address message element is not needed as it is used exclusively for NAT? Or do we assume that WTP will not be IPv6 host? If former, "WTP IPv4 address message element" should be optional in join request. If later, what is rational behind this assumption? -Suds _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 12 15:50:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc5JK-0002aN-DB for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:50:26 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc5JI-0006Mp-Gd for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:50:26 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AC7144919C for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310774A408E for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E351448165 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns4.neustar.com (ns4.neustar.com [156.154.24.139]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7EB144801E for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671D32AC93; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Hc5Iw-0002b1-61; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:50:02 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:50:02 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-binding-ieee80211-03.txt X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points Working Group of the IETF. Title : CAPWAP Protocol Binding for IEEE 802.11 Author(s) : P. Calhoun, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-binding-ieee80211-03.txt Pages : 63 Date : 2007-4-12 Wireless LAN product architectures have evolved from single autonomous access points to systems consisting of a centralized Access Controller (AC) and Wireless Termination Points (WTPs). The general goal of centralized control architectures is to move access control, including user authentication and authorization, mobility management and radio management from the single access point to a centralized controller. This specification defines the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol Binding Specification for use with the IEEE 802.11 Wireless Local Area Network protocol. The CAPWAP Protocol Specification is defined separately [1]. 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Thread-Index: Acd9YA1ANy+6MNydSx2NYeNJUpqCeA== From: "Mani, Mahalingam (Mani)" To: "capwap" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, HTML_90_100, HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] -06 protocol draft and -03 binding drafts have been submitted. X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0621263879==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f8ee348dcc4be4a59bc395f7cd6343ad This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0621263879== content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77D60.0F8D9FD1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D60.0F8D9FD1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The binding draft-03 announcement is showing up on the list. However, both (draft-06 base protocol and draft-03 802.11bindings) have been submitted and you should expect to see the announcement appear as well soon. I have requested for them to be posted in www.capwap.org as well. =20 -mani (for chairs) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D60.0F8D9FD1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The binding draft—03 announcement is showing up = on the list. However, both (draft-06 base protocol and draft-03 802.11bindings) = have been submitted and you should expect to see the announcement appear as = well soon.

I have requested for them to be posted in www.capwap.org as = well.

 

-mani

(for chairs)

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Note that we allow the distribution to happen at the AC also, hence the above statement is incorrect. Also, the following paragraph text only talks about assoc/reassoc etc as the exceptions. Thanks. -Puneet _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 13 10:14:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcMY2-0000L1-F0 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:14:46 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcMXy-0004ch-Lk for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:14:46 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A3443145C for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6C44A40A0 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A793F3980A6 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274D5398061 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (HELO cof110avexu1.global.avaya.com) ([135.9.6.16]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 13 Apr 2007 10:14:25 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,408,1170651600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="3282667:sNHT34665258" x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:13:44 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] -06 protocol draft and -03 binding drafts have beensubmitted. Thread-Index: Acd9YA1ANy+6MNydSx2NYeNJUpqCeAAdYhHw X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high References: From: "Mani, Mahalingam (Mani)" To: "capwap" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.333 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO, HTML_90_100, HTML_MESSAGE, X_PRIORITY_HIGH X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] -06 protocol draft and -03 binding drafts have beensubmitted. X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1505836836==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f0ea5880a0890be2408609376fa519aa This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1505836836== content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77DD5.F2450637" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77DD5.F2450637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While the Internet Drafts-editor is figuring it out - The two drafts are available on www.capwap.org website (force a refresh of the web-page if needed). =20 -mani _____ =20 From: Mani, Mahalingam (Mani)=20 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:10 PM To: capwap Subject: [Capwap] -06 protocol draft and -03 binding drafts have beensubmitted. =20 The binding draft-03 announcement is showing up on the list. However, both (draft-06 base protocol and draft-03 802.11bindings) have been submitted and you should expect to see the announcement appear as well soon. I have requested for them to be posted in www.capwap.org as well. =20 -mani (for chairs) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77DD5.F2450637 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While the Internet Drafts-editor is figuring it out - The two drafts are available on www.capwap.org website (force a = refresh of the web-page if needed).

 

-mani

From: Mani, = Mahalingam (Mani)
Sent: Thursday, April 12, = 2007 5:10 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] -06 = protocol draft and -03 binding drafts have = beensubmitted.

 

The binding draft—03 announcement is showing up = on the list. However, both (draft-06 base protocol and draft-03 802.11bindings) = have been submitted and you should expect to see the announcement appear as well = soon.

I have requested for them to be posted in www.capwap.org as = well.

 

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d="txt'?scan'208,217"; a="369800265:sNHT164099112" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3DLFYVB007551 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:15:34 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3DLFLMV012671 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:15:34 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.124]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:15:28 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77E10.DC0030B9" Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:15:26 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503EA37E4@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 Thread-Index: Acd28nW4v2uiooCBTSGmGO73OR/l9QAAEErgAcdsmeA= From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2007 21:15:28.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC2139D0:01C77E10] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 07d4bcb4600b627a0786c2557bc62e06 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77E10.DC0030B9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C77E10.DC0030B9" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C77E10.DC0030B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The changes to resolve issue 254 (see below) seems to be missing from=20 version 06 of the capwap protocol spec. =20 =20 Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM To: capwap; Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a number of places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to fix. I also noticed that in the spec, we start using "data channel" and "control channel" without defining what they are. =20 I propose the following changes: =20 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) =20 CAPWAP Control Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 IP Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control =20 packets are sent. =20 CAPWAP Data Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets=20 are sent. =20 2. In Section 3.1 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP,=20 the source and destination ports are reversed. 3. In Section 4.1 Replace Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the data UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 With Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the channel it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 =20 4. In Section 4.3 Replace Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel UDP port. With Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel. Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_002_01C77E10.DC0030B9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The changes to resolve issue 254 (see below) = seems to=20 be missing from
version 06 of the capwap protocol spec.
 
 
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
 
 

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM
To: = capwap; Pat=20 Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal
Subject: Re: [Capwap] = Proposed Text=20 for Issue 254

While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a = number=20 of
places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to=20 fix.
I also noticed = that in the=20 spec, we start using "data channel"
and "control channel" without defining what they=20 are.
 
I propose the = following=20 changes:
 
1. Add the = following to=20 Terminology (Section 1.4)
 
      CAPWAP Control=20 Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20
       &nbs= p;IP=20 Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4P= ort,=20 AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control 
       =20 packets are sent.
 
      &n= bsp;=20 CAPWAP Data Channel:  A connection defined = by=20 (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,
       =20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which = CAPWAP data=20 packets
        = are=20 sent.
 
=
2. In Section 3.1
    = Replace

        CAP= WAP=20 protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC=20 use
        wel= l known=20 UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol=20 data
        pac= kets sent=20 between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
        ass= igned].

    With
       &nb= sp;=20 CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC=20 use
         = well known=20 UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any
       &nb= sp; port=20 selected by the implementation at the=20 WTP. CAPWAP protocol = data
         = packets=20 sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be = IANA
         = assigned] at the=20 AC and any port selected by the implementation 
     =20    at the WTP. In either case, for packets = sent by=20 the AC to the WTP, 
         = the source=20 and destination ports are reversed.

3. In Section=20 4.1
    Replace
         Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:
 
          0=20 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the data UDP=20 port,
          &nbs= p; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the control UDP port, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.
 
          1=20 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).
 
    = With
         Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:
 
          0=20 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data=20 channel,
          &= nbsp; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.
 
          1=20 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the channel it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).
 
 
4. In Section=20 4.3    Replace      =20 Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel=20 UDP port.   =20 With     =20   Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data=20 channel.
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
 
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Several proposed changes seem to be missing: 1.Proposed text for issue 254 is not included 2. The agreements on the header format (issue 244) don't seem to be in the draft. 3. As I had mentioned in an earlier email, the text and packet format figures in Section 4 need to be updated to include UDP or UDP-Lite. Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:50 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points Working Group of the IETF. Title : CAPWAP Protocol Specification Author(s) : P. Calhoun, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt Pages : 135 Date : 2007-4-13 This specification defines the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol. The CAPWAP protocol meets the IETF CAPWAP working group protocol requirements. The CAPWAP protocol is designed to be flexible, allowing it to be used for a variety of wireless technologies. This document describes the base CAPWAP protocol. The CAPWAP protocol binding which defines extensions for use with the IEEE 802.11 wireless LAN protocol is available in [14]. Extensions are expected to be defined to enable use of the CAPWAP protocol with additional wireless technologies. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specifica tion-06.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 13 18:30:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcUHq-0002pr-KV for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:30:34 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcUHo-0006v3-Vd for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:30:34 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150A614C1F79 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA924A40A0 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5B4398055 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E223E39801B for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Apr 2007 15:28:11 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,409,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="53561707:sNHT3203120376" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3DMSAOV006692 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:28:10 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3DMRrMP028403 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:28:10 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:27:54 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:27:55 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203963685@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503EA37F7@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt Thread-Index: Acd+BROaE0V7DF1+RMOuVUQXF2KpjQADDPdQAAJaEnA= From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2007 22:27:54.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA922640:01C77E1A] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3a4bc66230659131057bb68ed51598f8 The proposed text for issue 254 came in too late to make -06. My plan is to include this in the next revision, post WGLC. Issue 244 had a consensus call, but no resolution was posted to the list. I was asked to post the documents to the I-D editor, which I have. I guess the changes can be made once the WGLC is made. I obviously missed the random e-mail on section 4 figures. I guess this will also be handled in the next draft. Please create an explicit issue for this to help me track it. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:22 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: Re: [Capwap] I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt Is this the correct version of the spec ? Several proposed changes seem to be missing: 1.Proposed text for issue 254 is not included 2. The agreements on the header format (issue 244) don't seem to be in the draft. 3. As I had mentioned in an earlier email, the text and packet format figures in Section 4 need to be updated to include UDP or UDP-Lite. Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:50 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points Working Group of the IETF. Title : CAPWAP Protocol Specification Author(s) : P. Calhoun, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt Pages : 135 Date : 2007-4-13 This specification defines the Control And Provisioning of Wireless Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol. The CAPWAP protocol meets the IETF CAPWAP working group protocol requirements. The CAPWAP protocol is designed to be flexible, allowing it to be used for a variety of wireless technologies. This document describes the base CAPWAP protocol. The CAPWAP protocol binding which defines extensions for use with the IEEE 802.11 wireless LAN protocol is available in [14]. Extensions are expected to be defined to enable use of the CAPWAP protocol with additional wireless technologies. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specifica tion-06.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. 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Apr 2007 07:01:33 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hcg0Z-0005ox-6W for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:01:33 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E43A3A5C63 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369444A408E for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE9D430B8B for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:01:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 3 mons 26 days 16:43:47 ago Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com (nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.100]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89128430B8F for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 51.105.64.135.in-addr.arpa (HELO IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.105.51]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 14 Apr 2007 07:01:11 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,410,1170651600"; d="scan'208"; a="3555051:sNHT8544588" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:00:54 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: UPDATED Agenda and Package for April 19, 2007 Telechat Thread-Index: Acd+Dru/+5xz8MzKRO28VbP1qZRp3wAdKqfA From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , , "IETF MIBs" , , "capwap" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] FW: UPDATED Agenda and Package for April 19, 2007 Telechat X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 03fb21b15d5177c512a4caa19876f30a Please find below the preliminary agenda of the 4/19 IESG telechat. Please have a look at the documents proposed for approval and let me know if there are any comments or concerns until 4/18 COB the latest. Note that the agenda includes one MIB document proposed for standards and three CAPWAP initial submission documents that are proposed to be published as informational RFCs. Thanks and Regards, Dan 2. Protocol Actions Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable basis on which to build the salient part of the Internet infrastructure? If not, what changes would make it so?" 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Item o draft-ietf-simple-presence-rules-09.txt Presence Authorization Rules (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 5 Token: Jon Peterson o draft-ietf-ips-isns-mib-11.txt Definitions of Managed Objects for iSNS (Internet Storage Name Service) (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 5 Note: PROTO Shepherd: David Black (Black_David@emc.com). MIB Doctor: Bert Wijnen (bwijnen@lucent.com). Initial expert review: Keith McCloghrie (kzm@cisco.com) Token: Lars Eggert o draft-ietf-rmt-fec-bb-revised-06.txt Forward Error Correction (FEC) Building Block (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 5 Token: Magnus Westerlund o draft-ietf-16ng-ipv6-over-ipv6cs-09.txt IPv6 Over the IP Specific part of the Packet Convergence sublayer in 802.16 Networks (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 5 Note: NOTE: There are some LC and IEEE-review comments pending Token: Jari Arkko o draft-ietf-behave-tcp-06.txt NAT Behavioral Requirements for TCP (BCP) - 5 of 5 Token: Magnus Westerlund 2.1.2 Returning Item o draft-ietf-pkix-lightweight-ocsp-profile-08.txt Lightweight OCSP Profile for High Volume Environments (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1 Token: Russ Housley 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Item o draft-siemborski-imap-sasl-initial-response-06.txt IMAP Extension for SASL Initial Client Response (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1 Token: Chris Newman 2.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.1.1 New Item o draft-ietf-16ng-ipv6-link-model-analysis-03.txt Analysis of IPv6 Link Models for 802.16 based Networks (Informational) - 1 of 2 Note: PROTO Shepherd is Soohong Daniel Park <soohong.park@samsung.com> Token: Jari Arkko o draft-ietf-trill-routing-reqs-02.txt TRILL Routing Requirements in Support of RBridges (Informational) - 2 of 2 Token: Mark Townsley 3.1.2 Returning Item o Five-document ballot: - 1 of 1 - draft-ietf-hip-base-07.txt Host Identity Protocol (Experimental) - draft-ietf-hip-esp-05.txt Using ESP transport format with HIP (Experimental) - draft-ietf-hip-registration-02.txt Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Registration Extension (Experimental) - draft-ietf-hip-mm-05.txt End-Host Mobility and Multihoming with the Host Identity Protocol (Experimental) - draft-ietf-hip-rvs-05.txt Host Identity Protocol (HIP) Rendezvous Extension (Experimental) Token: Mark Townsley 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.2.1 New Item o draft-allen-sipping-poc-p-answer-state-header-05.txt The P-Answer-State Header Extension to the Session Initiation Protocol for the Open Mobile Alliance Push-to-talk over Cellular (Informational) - 1 of 1 Note: SIPPING RFC 3427 Expert Reviewer is Gonzalo Camarillo; dependency of OMA Token: Jon Peterson 3.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3.3 Independent Submissions Via RFC Editor The IESG will use RFC 3932 responses: 1) The IESG has not found any conflict between this document and IETF work; 2) The IESG thinks that this work is related to IETF work done in WG , but this does not prevent publishing; 3) The IESG thinks that publication is harmful to work in WG and recommends not publishing at this time; 4) The IESG thinks that this document violates the IETF procedures for and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval; 5) The IESG thinks that this document extends an IETF protocol in a way that requires IETF review and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval. Other matters may be recorded in comments to be passed on to the RFC Editor as community review of the document. 3.3.1 New Item o draft-iino-capwap-wicop-02.txt Wireless LAN Control Protocol (WiCoP) (Informational) - 1 of 2 Note: This document is an independent submission via the RFC Editor. In conformace with RFC 3932, Section 4, the IESG requests the publication of the following note: "This RFC documents the WiCoP protocol as it was when submitted to the IETF as a basis for further work in the CAPWAP WG, and therefore it may resemble a current IETF work in progress or a published IETF work. This RFC itself is not a candidate for any level of Internet. Standard. The IETF disclaims any knowledge of the fitness of this RFC for any purpose, and in particular notes that it has not had complete IETF review for such things as security, congestion control, or inappropriate interaction with deployed protocols. The RFC Editor has chosen to publish this document at its discretion." Token: Dan Romascanu o draft-ohara-capwap-lwapp-04.txt Light Weight Access Point Protocol (Informational) - 2 of 2 Note: This document is an independent submission via the RFC Editor. In conformace with RFC 3932, Section 4, the IESG requests the publication of the following note: "This RFC documents the LWAPP protocol as it was when submitted to the IETF as a basis for further work in the CAPWAP WG, and therefore it may resemble a current IETF work in progress or a published IETF work. This RFC itself is not a candidate for any level of Internet Standard. The IETF disclaims any knowledge of the fitness of this RFC for any purpose, and in particular notes that it has not had complete IETF review for such things as security, congestion control, or inappropriate interaction with deployed protocols. The RFC Editor has chosen to publish this document at its discretion." Token: Dan Romascanu 3.3.2 Returning Item o draft-narasimhan-ietf-slapp-01.txt SLAPP : Secure Light Access Point Protocol (Informational) - 1 of 1 Note: This document is an independent submission via the RFC Editor. In conformace with RFC 3932, Section 4, the IESG requests the publication of the following note: "This RFC documents the SLAPP protocol as it was when submitted to the IETF as a basis for further work in the CAPWAP WG, and therefore it may resemble a current IETF work in progress or a published IETF work. This RFC itself is not a candidate for any level of Internet Standard. The IETF disclaims any knowledge of the fitness of this RFC for any purpose, and in particular notes that it has not had complete IETF review for such things as security, congestion control, or inappropriate interaction with deployed protocols. The RFC Editor has chosen to publish this document at its discretion.". 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If we have WG consensus, I expect we will address 244 as part WGLC, but need to verify this with the other chairs. BR- Dorothy > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:28 PM > To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: > [Capwap]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt > > The proposed text for issue 254 came in too late to make -06. > My plan is to include this in the next revision, post WGLC. > > Issue 244 had a consensus call, but no resolution was posted > to the list. I was asked to post the documents to the I-D > editor, which I have. > I guess the changes can be made once the WGLC is made. > > I obviously missed the random e-mail on section 4 figures. I > guess this will also be handled in the next draft. Please > create an explicit issue for this to help me track it. > > PatC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:22 PM > To: capwap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [Capwap] > I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt > > > Is this the correct version of the spec ? > Several proposed changes seem to be missing: > > 1.Proposed text for issue 254 is not included > > 2. The agreements on the header format (issue 244) don't seem > to be in the draft. > > 3. As I had mentioned in an earlier email, the text and packet format > figures in Section 4 need to be updated to include UDP or UDP-Lite. > > Thanks, > Abhijit > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:50 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: capwap@frascone.com > Subject: [Capwap] I-D > ACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Control And Provisioning of > Wireless Access Points Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : CAPWAP Protocol Specification > Author(s) : P. Calhoun, et al. > Filename : > draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt > Pages : 135 > Date : 2007-4-13 > > This specification defines the Control And Provisioning of Wireless > Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol. The CAPWAP protocol > meets the IETF > CAPWAP working group protocol requirements. The CAPWAP protocol is > designed to be flexible, allowing it to be used for a variety of > wireless technologies. This document describes the base CAPWAP > protocol. The CAPWAP protocol binding which defines extensions for > use with the IEEE 802.11 wireless LAN protocol is > available in [14]. > Extensions are expected to be defined to enable use of the CAPWAP > protocol with additional wireless technologies. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-capwap-protocol > -specifica > tion-06.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a > message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word > unsubscribe in the body of the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login > with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail > address. 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The question has been = posed and feedback has been received. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:04 AM Pacific Standard Time To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); = capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: = [Capwap]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt Issue 244 was part of the consensus call for the IEEE review. If we have WG consensus, I expect we will address 244 as part WGLC, but need to verify this with the other chairs. BR- Dorothy =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:28 PM > To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap@frascone.com > Subject: Re:=20 > [Capwap]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt >=20 > The proposed text for issue 254 came in too late to make -06.=20 > My plan is to include this in the next revision, post WGLC. >=20 > Issue 244 had a consensus call, but no resolution was posted=20 > to the list. I was asked to post the documents to the I-D=20 > editor, which I have. > I guess the changes can be made once the WGLC is made. >=20 > I obviously missed the random e-mail on section 4 figures. I=20 > guess this will also be handled in the next draft. Please=20 > create an explicit issue for this to help me track it. >=20 > PatC >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:22 PM > To: capwap@frascone.com > Subject: Re: [Capwap] > I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt >=20 > =20 > Is this the correct version of the spec ? > Several proposed changes seem to be missing: >=20 > 1.Proposed text for issue 254 is not included=20 >=20 > 2. The agreements on the header format (issue 244) don't seem=20 > to be in the draft. >=20 > 3. As I had mentioned in an earlier email, the text and packet format=20 > figures in Section 4 need to be updated to include UDP or UDP-Lite. >=20 > Thanks, > Abhijit > =20 > =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:50 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: capwap@frascone.com > Subject: [Capwap] I-D > ACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Control And Provisioning of=20 > Wireless Access Points Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : CAPWAP Protocol Specification > Author(s) : P. Calhoun, et al. > Filename : > draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt > Pages : 135 > Date : 2007-4-13 > =09 > This specification defines the Control And Provisioning of Wireless > Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol. 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Is there a reason why the call cannot be made? The = question has been posed and feedback has been received.


PatC

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.co= m]
Sent:   Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:04 AM Pacific Standard = Time
To:     Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Abhijit Choudhury = (achoudhu); capwap@frascone.com
Subject:        RE: = [Capwap]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt

Issue 244 was part of the consensus call for the IEEE = review.   If we
have WG consensus, I expect we will address 244 as part WGLC, but = need
to verify this with the other chairs.

BR-
Dorothy



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:28 PM
> To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap@frascone.com
> Subject: Re:
> = [Capwap]I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt
>
> The proposed text for issue 254 came in too late to make -06.
> My plan is to include this in the next revision, post WGLC.
>
> Issue 244 had a consensus call, but no resolution was posted
> to the list. I was asked to post the documents to the I-D
> editor, which I have.
> I guess the changes can be made once the WGLC is made.
>
> I obviously missed the random e-mail on section 4 figures. I
> guess this will also be handled in the next draft. Please
> create an explicit issue for this to help me track it.
>
> PatC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:22 PM
> To: capwap@frascone.com
> Subject: Re: [Capwap]
> I-DACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt
>
> 
> Is this the correct version of the spec ?
> Several proposed changes seem to be missing:
>
> 1.Proposed text for issue 254 is not included
>
> 2. The agreements on the header format (issue 244) don't seem
> to be in the draft.
>
> 3. As I had mentioned in an earlier email, the text and packet = format
>    figures in Section 4 need to be updated to = include UDP or UDP-Lite.
>
> Thanks,
> Abhijit
> 
> 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org<= /A>]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:50 PM
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Cc: capwap@frascone.com
> Subject: [Capwap] I-D
> ACTION:draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
> Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Control And Provisioning of
> Wireless Access Points Working Group of the IETF.
>
>       Title   =         : CAPWAP Protocol = Specification
>       = Author(s)       : P. Calhoun, et al.
>       = Filename        :
> draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt
>       Pages   =         : 135
>       Date    =         : 2007-4-13
>      
> This specification defines the Control And Provisioning of = Wireless
>    Access Points (CAPWAP) Protocol.  The CAPWAP = protocol
> meets the IETF
>    CAPWAP working group protocol requirements.  = The CAPWAP protocol is
>    designed to be flexible, allowing it to be used = for a variety of
>    wireless technologies.  This document = describes the base CAPWAP
>    protocol.  The CAPWAP protocol binding which = defines extensions for
>    use with the IEEE 802.11 wireless LAN protocol = is
> available in [14].
>    Extensions are expected to be defined to enable = use of the CAPWAP
>    protocol with additional wireless = technologies.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> h= ttp://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-capwap-protocol
> -specifica
> tion-06.txt
>
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Following from earlier discussions, we can consider using=20 the same definition as in the Objectives RFC without having to reference it.=20 Suggestion: WLAN: A WLAN refers to a logical separation of a physical WTP, also known as=20 logical group. So a single physical WTP will operate a number of WLANs or=20 logical groups. Virtual access points are examples of logical groups. Here,=20 each Basic Service Set Identifier (BSSID) and constituent wireless terminals'=20 radios are denoted as distinct logical groups of a physical WTP. Proposed resolution: Add the following definition to section 1.5 Terminology, in the binding -01 document: WLAN: In this document, WLAN refers to a logical component instantiated on a WTP device. A single physical WTP may operate a number of WLANs. Each Basic Service Set Identifier (BSSID)=20 and its constituent wireless terminal radios is denoted as a distinct WLAN on a physical WTP. =20 Comments welcome, Dorothy Stanley ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77FC7.6FC09988 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear All,

 

A gentle reminder that there was agreement on this = issue to include the definition for WLAN.

 

Cheers,


Saravanan

 

 

 

 

 

From: = Dorothy Stanley [mailto:dstanley1389@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January = 27, 2007 5:49 AM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] = Proposed Resolution - Issue 207 - New WLAN = terminologyproposed

 

All,

At the CAPWAP ad-hoc, we agreed to try to resolve rather than defer = Issue 207, listed below:

I'd like to suggest an additional item for =
the terminology section (Section 

1.5 – Terminology). Following from earlier discussions, we can =
consider using 

the same definition as in the Objectives RFC without having to reference =
it. 




Suggestion:



WLAN: A WLAN refers to a logical separation of a physical WTP, also =
known as 

logical group. So a single physical WTP will operate a number of WLANs =
or 

logical groups. Virtual access points are examples of logical groups. =
Here, 


each Basic Service Set Identifier (BSSID) and constituent wireless =
terminals' 

radios are denoted as distinct logical groups of a physical WTP.

Proposed resolution:

Add the following definition to section 1.5 Terminology, in the binding = -01 document:

WLAN: In this document, WLAN refers to a =
logical component instantiated on a WTP device.

A single physical WTP may operate a number of WLANs. Each Basic Service =
Set Identifier (BSSID) 

and its constituent wireless terminal radios is denoted as a distinct =
WLAN on a physical WTP.
 


Comments welcome,

Dorothy Stanley

------_=_NextPart_001_01C77FC7.6FC09988-- --===============1652173390== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============1652173390==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Sun Apr 15 21:38:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdGBF-0006CN-Lk for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:38:57 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdGBE-000887-Pm for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:38:57 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A5E14C200D for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEBC4A40CD for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98113398284 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.mei.co.jp (smtp.mei.co.jp [133.183.129.25]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FA9398051 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (dodgers.mei.co.jp [157.8.1.150]) by smtp.mei.co.jp (8.12.11.20060614/3.7W/kings) with ESMTP id l3G1cfls001362 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:38:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/somlx2) with ESMTP id l3G1cfo07325 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:38:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from pslexc01.psl.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/expos) with ESMTP id l3G1ce502926 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:38:40 +0900 (JST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:38:00 +0800 Message-ID: <5F09D220B62F79418461A978CA0921BD01B67379@pslexc01.psl.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Issue 207 - WLAN terminology Thread-index: AcdBk4eDJxqOd/GiQyKl7ktbcyf7sQ+NLB5AAAAsXIA= From: "Saravanan Govindan" To: "capwap" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.425 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, FORGED_RCVD_HELO, HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 207 - WLAN terminology X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0196379965==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: dc7bd83d90806aed39f33478866e2683 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0196379965== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77FC7.DE160C7E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77FC7.DE160C7E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, just saw the definition in the binding document. Saravanan =20 =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Saravanan Govindan [mailto:Saravanan.Govindan@sg.panasonic.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:35 AM To: capwap Subject: [Capwap] Issue 207 - WLAN terminology =20 Dear All, =20 A gentle reminder that there was agreement on this issue to include the definition for WLAN. =20 Cheers, Saravanan =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Dorothy Stanley [mailto:dstanley1389@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:49 AM To: capwap Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Resolution - Issue 207 - New WLAN terminologyproposed =20 All, At the CAPWAP ad-hoc, we agreed to try to resolve rather than defer Issue 207, listed below: I'd like to suggest an additional item for the terminology section (Section=20 1.5 - Terminology). Following from earlier discussions, we can consider using=20 the same definition as in the Objectives RFC without having to reference it.=20 Suggestion: WLAN: A WLAN refers to a logical separation of a physical WTP, also known as=20 logical group. So a single physical WTP will operate a number of WLANs or=20 logical groups. Virtual access points are examples of logical groups. Here,=20 each Basic Service Set Identifier (BSSID) and constituent wireless terminals'=20 radios are denoted as distinct logical groups of a physical WTP. =20 Proposed resolution: Add the following definition to section 1.5 Terminology, in the binding -01 document: WLAN: In this document, WLAN refers to a logical component instantiated on a WTP device. A single physical WTP may operate a number of WLANs. Each Basic Service Set Identifier (BSSID)=20 and its constituent wireless terminal radios is denoted as a distinct WLAN on a physical WTP. =20 Comments welcome, Dorothy Stanley ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77FC7.DE160C7E Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, just saw the definition in = the binding document.


Saravanan

 

 

 

 

From: = Saravanan Govindan [mailto:Saravanan.Govindan@sg.panasonic.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, = 2007 9:35 AM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] Issue = 207 - WLAN terminology

 

Dear All,

 

A gentle reminder that there was agreement on this = issue to include the definition for WLAN.

 

Cheers,


Saravanan

 

 

 

 

 

From: = Dorothy Stanley [mailto:dstanley1389@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January = 27, 2007 5:49 AM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] = Proposed Resolution - Issue 207 - New WLAN = terminologyproposed

 

All,

At the CAPWAP ad-hoc, we agreed to try to resolve rather than defer = Issue 207, listed below:

I'd like to suggest an additional item for =
the terminology section (Section 




1.5 – Terminology). Following from =
earlier discussions, we can consider using 




the same definition as in the Objectives RFC =
without having to reference it. =











Suggestion:









WLAN: A WLAN refers to a logical separation =
of a physical WTP, also known as 




logical group. So a single physical WTP will =
operate a number of WLANs or 




logical groups. Virtual access points are =
examples of logical groups. Here, 





each Basic Service =
Set Identifier (BSSID) and constituent wireless terminals' 




radios are denoted =
as distinct logical groups of a physical WTP.









 

Proposed resolution:

Add the following definition to section 1.5 Terminology, in the binding = -01 document:

WLAN: In this document, WLAN refers to a =
logical component instantiated on a WTP device.




A single physical WTP may operate a number of =
WLANs. Each Basic Service Set Identifier (BSSID) 




and its constituent wireless terminal radios =
is denoted as a distinct WLAN on a physical =
WTP.
 


Comments welcome,

Dorothy Stanley

------_=_NextPart_001_01C77FC7.DE160C7E-- --===============0196379965== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============0196379965==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Apr 16 06:03:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdO32-0001Cf-2G for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:03:00 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdO2y-0006Uv-Uk for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:03:00 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68823A5C1D for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1304C4A408E for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAFA43095A for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97C9430955 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Apr 2007 03:02:40 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,414,1170662400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="411796085:sNHT134601486" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3GA2dPH022951 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:02:39 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3GA2ZMF025481 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:02:39 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:02:35 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:02:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20396389F@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B1619503EA37E4@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 Thread-Index: Acd28nW4v2uiooCBTSGmGO73OR/l9QAAEErgAcdsmeAAf3i6EA== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" , "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2007 10:02:35.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B907600:01C7800E] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1980909458==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 847361531d5cb2b89126844012e81b58 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1980909458== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7800E.5B647909" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7800E.5B647909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any issues with the adoption of the proposed text below? =20 PatC ________________________________ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:15 PM To: capwap Subject: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 The changes to resolve issue 254 (see below) seems to be missing from=20 version 06 of the capwap protocol spec. =20 =20 Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM To: capwap; Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a number of places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to fix. I also noticed that in the spec, we start using "data channel" and "control channel" without defining what they are. =20 I propose the following changes: =20 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) =20 CAPWAP Control Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 IP Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control =20 packets are sent. =20 CAPWAP Data Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets=20 are sent. =20 2. In Section 3.1 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP,=20 the source and destination ports are reversed. 3. In Section 4.1 Replace Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the data UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 With Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the channel it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 =20 4. In Section 4.3 Replace Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel UDP port. With Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel. Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7800E.5B647909 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone have any issues with the adoption = of the=20 proposed text below?
 
PatC

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:15 PM
To:=20 capwap
Subject: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue=20 254

The changes to resolve issue 254 (see below) = seems to=20 be missing from
version 06 of the capwap protocol spec.
 
 
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
 
 

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM
To: = capwap; Pat=20 Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal
Subject: Re: [Capwap] = Proposed Text=20 for Issue 254

While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a = number=20 of
places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to=20 fix.
I also noticed = that in the=20 spec, we start using "data channel"
and "control channel" without defining what they=20 are.   I propose the = following=20 changes:   1. Add the = following to=20 Terminology (Section 1.4)         CAPWAP Control=20 Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20        &nbs= p;IP=20 Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4P= ort,=20 AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control         =20 packets are sent.         &n= bsp;=20 CAPWAP Data Channel:  A connection defined = by=20 (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,        =20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which = CAPWAP data=20 packets         = are=20 sent.
 
=
2. In Section 3.1
    = Replace

        CAP= WAP=20 protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC=20 use
        wel= l known=20 UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol=20 data
        pac= kets sent=20 between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
        ass= igned].

    With
       &nb= sp;=20 CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC=20 use
         = well known=20 UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any
       &nb= sp; port=20 selected by the implementation at the=20 WTP. CAPWAP protocol = data
         = packets=20 sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be = IANA
         = assigned] at the=20 AC and any port selected by the implementation       =20    at the WTP. In either case, for packets = sent by=20 the AC to the WTP, 
         = the source=20 and destination ports are reversed.

3. In Section=20 4.1     Replace          Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:
 
          0=20 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the data UDP=20 port,
          &nbs= p; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the control UDP port, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.
 
          1=20 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).       = With          Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:
 
          0=20 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data=20 channel,
          &= nbsp; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.
 
          1=20 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the channel it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).     4. In Section=20 4.3    Replace      =20 Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel=20 UDP port.   =20 With     =20   Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data=20 channel.
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
 
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Puneet, it is unclear whether you have issues only with the pararaph you included below, or with the following text (as your last sentence implies). In any case, assuming the former, how about changing the paragraph to: In the Local MAC mode, the integration service exists on the WTP, while the distribution service MAY reside on either the WTP or the AC. When it resides on the AC, station generated frames are not forwarded to the AC in their native format, but encapsulated as 802.3 frames. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:12 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] binding-ieee80211-03.txt comment The statement in section 2.1.2 needs to be modified: " Since the Distribution and Integration Services exist on the WTP, station generated frames are not forwarded to the AC, with the exception listed in the following paragraphs." Note that we allow the distribution to happen at the AC also, hence the above statement is incorrect. Also, the following paragraph text only talks about assoc/reassoc etc as the exceptions. Thanks. -Puneet _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Apr 16 06:21:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdOKX-0006t0-9I for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:21:05 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdOKV-0008N8-Qv for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:21:05 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8712339B6F1 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F524A408E for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F13430A26 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C92430A13 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Apr 2007 03:20:56 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,414,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="411799933:sNHT139930674" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3GAKt4h006360; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:20:55 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3GAKtMF003539; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:20:55 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:20:55 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:20:53 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2039638A2@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01c77d26$671c5dd0$4566640a@arubanetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address Thread-Index: Acd9GbZUH/HxhCA2SxGOWep9E1MPewADGjAgALqPR3A= From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Sudhanshu" , "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2007 10:20:55.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB33A190:01C78010] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 I believe the idea is that there will not be any IPv6 NATs out there (or at least there aren't any v6-v6 NATs). The WTP IPv4 Address message element MUST be included by the WTP to allow the AC to determine whether a NAT exists between the two nodes. Having it as optional makes it impossible for the AC to make this determination, and the WTP would obviously never know if a NAT is used. The question is whether the WTP IPv6 Address message element would be useful in a v4-v6 NAT scenario. I suppose it would be useful if the WTP was on a v6 network, and the AC was on a v4 network. In such a scenario, the AC would expect to see the WTP IPv4 Address message element, which would obviously be absent since the WTP is an IPv6 node. So either the AC rejects the request, or we add the proposed WTP IPv6 Address message element to make the protocol handling identical, regardless of the underlying IP version number. Thoughts? PatC -----Original Message----- From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:17 AM To: 'capwap' Subject: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address Currently we have not defined the WTP IPv6 address message element. WTP IPv6 address message element is not needed as it is used exclusively for NAT? Or do we assume that WTP will not be IPv6 host? If former, "WTP IPv4 address message element" should be optional in join request. 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In cleaning up the figure, I ended up making the flow more consistent with other flow diagrams in both specifications. Further, while making the change, I have tried to make it clearer in the cases where multiple DTLS packets can be aggregated into a single message. The following is the new proposed text: 2.2. CAPWAP Session Establishment Overview This section describes the session establishment process message exchanges in the ideal case. The annotated ladder diagram shows the AC on the right, the WTP on the left, and assumes the use of certificates for DTLS authentication. The CAPWAP Protocol State Machine is described in detail in Section 2.3. Note that DTLS allows certain messages to be aggregated into a single frame, which is denoted via an asterix in the following figure. ============ ============ WTP AC ============ ============ [----------- begin optional discovery ------------] Discover Request ------------------------------------> Discover Response <------------------------------------ [----------- end optional discovery ------------] (-- begin DTLS handshake --) ClientHello ------------------------------------> HelloVerifyRequest (with cookie) <------------------------------------ ClientHello (with cookie) ------------------------------------> ServerHello, Certificate, ServerHelloDone* <------------------------------------ (-- WTP callout for AC authorization --) Certificate (optional), ClientKeyExchange, CertificateVerify (optional), ChangeCipherSpec, Finished* ------------------------------------> (-- AC callout for WTP authorization --) ChangeCipherSpec, Finished* <------------------------------------ (-- DTLS session is established now --) Join Request ------------------------------------> Join Response <------------------------------------ (-- assume image is up to date --) Configuration Status Request ------------------------------------> Configuration Status Response <------------------------------------ (-- enter RUN state --) : : Echo Request ------------------------------------> Echo Response <------------------------------------ : : Event Request ------------------------------------> Event Response <------------------------------------ : : Comments? 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4.43) id 1HdZvr-0001qO-G0 for capwap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:44:23 -0400 Received: from [200.70.124.183] (helo=okbit.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdZvg-0000U9-Rv for capwap-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:44:23 -0400 Message-ID: <03e401c78101$3cae15f0$1394c4f0@shardingx> Reply-To: "Hanso Londonw" From: "Hanso Londonw" To: Subject: Re: Not isfahan Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:44:11 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.1081 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.1081 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a This one is shoe in to Double by end of week Huge Volume spike, many people are already in the know Check this company out Fire Mountain Beverage Co Sym-FBVG 2 Cents is a STEAL This is projected to go to $.70 in short alone, for long look at HANS and FIZ Remember Snapple, this will be bigger Get in Tuesday don't Miss it again People are already loading up, you should too!! They lost to Detroit 105-83 Friday night, which D'Antoni blamed on emotional ways. But at Michigan, we have a tradition of winning Big Ten and national ,000 to ex-Wolverines Chris Webber, Maurice Taylor, Robert Traylor and the University of Michigan's associate dean of students. Martin said he had ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hanso Londonw" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Not isfahan > Check this company out > Fire Mountain Beverage Co > Sym-FBVG > 2 Cents is a STEAL > This is projected to go to $.70 in short alone, for long look at HANS and FIZ From fdirgatumdo@paulferris.com Mon Apr 16 19:39:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hdamx-0006Wj-5s for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:39:15 -0400 Received: from [218.189.242.181] (helo=[218.189.242.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hdamv-00007q-Nf for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:39:15 -0400 From: "berbpro" To: capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Confirmation link Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:42:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C780C3.F834B3D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AceAw/g0FUUERyF3RFyxXcDBSuwYYw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <6BAA55B74F21640.0BD3A73ED9@paulferris.com> X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C780C3.F834B3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Symbol: DPWI
Price: $0.40 (+0.31)

News hits the streets!!! DPWI acquires huge oil reserves, drills deeper on current wells increasing production, and now opens Asian division.

Investors go nuts today and price rockets 221.43%.

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(Exim 4.43) id 1Hdh2q-0002kl-A6; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:20:04 -0400 Received: from [59.53.32.80] (helo=csplc.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hdh2o-00086y-DQ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:20:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1f9801c780d8$eaa1ec00$cffbf346@ekysxx> Reply-To: "Tobi Rogers" From: "Tobi Rogers" To: "jonelle watson" Cc: "andres" , "sharita hayes" , "arlean ray" , "roselyn reid" , "lashell martin" , "corey hernandez" <6lowpan-request@lists.ietf.org> Subject: Time to say okay Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:12:34 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_551_D489_CE31841A.A35891B3" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4922.1500 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7c1a129dc3801d79d40c5ca8dee767eb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_551_D489_CE31841A.A35891B3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:21:30 -0300 Message-ID: <001101c7812d$e6cb19d0$d9df0dbd@micro11> From: "Fel Stupak" To: capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: A Network Perimeter With Secure Internet Access. 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Initializes a new instance of the class = using the=20 provided exception object, optionally skipping the given number of = frames.
I made him a little desk ornament thing = and he gave=20 me a brick.
The former is affected by high pH, and = if perturbed=20 will produce isolysergic acid diethylamide (iso-LSD), which is = biologically=20 inactive. We've checked out, what.
Once again Kluepfel was both = investigator and=20 technical advisor.
This is why he enters the capsule, even = though he=20 may not be conscious of it.
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Trembling in excitement, her mind = already busy with=20 plans for change, Crysania asked Elsa to describe the inner workings of = the=20 church heirarchy.
It knows a way in, it must know a way = out, yes.
But a body couldn't get back his = strength in no=20 such oven as that, so Tom give the command to soar, and Jim started her = aloft.=20 That was an unwise move on its part.
For a moment the black stallion balked, = an=20 apparently continuous rein connecting him to the dim shape of his own = image.=20 Slight and unimportant as this difference is - ' Mrs Skewton, who had = been=20 intent upon her daughter's face, took him up here.
A Mythological Parallel to a Visual=20 Obsession.
 
 
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capwap-archive@ietf.org Subject: A typical piece of code that tests such a flag would read its value and determine if the critical section is in use. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:20:54 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C78114.C1889030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: e2b1c21e3dfd00bd40339b153dfe4f6a ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C78114.C1889030 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C78114.C1889030" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C78114.C1889030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Debian is a registered trademark of Software in the Public Interest, = Inc. If the second substrate is molded with information, the capacity is = doubled to 9. And there was a rise in the suicide rate at both these magical = milestones. The first step must start from 0. If at first you don't succeed, you've failed failed again If brains were = dynamite you couldn't blow your nose. If you have interest in porting, drop me a line, I'll make the source = available on request. That was as good a question as any I'd had all day. And she didn't come again, and she didn't answer my letters when I went = back to the School. If the carry flag is set upon return, then some sort of error has = occurred and the AX register contains the error number. Technische Universitaet Chemnitz Chemnitz Germany 2000 Academic 528 422 = 150000. Seven year and a half, sir. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter. Creates an editor = window that allows the user to edit the specified component, using the = specified context information. It seemed incomprehensible to me. ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C78114.C1889030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Debian is a registered trademark of = Software in the=20 Public Interest, Inc.
If the second substrate is molded with = information,=20 the capacity is doubled to 9.
And there was a rise in the suicide = rate at both=20 these magical milestones. The first step must start from 0.
If at first you don't succeed, you've = failed failed=20 again If brains were dynamite you couldn't blow your nose.
If you have interest in porting, drop = me a line,=20 I'll make the source available on request.
That was as good a question as any I'd = had all day.
And she didn't come again, and she = didn't answer my=20 letters when I went back to the School.
If the carry flag is set upon return, = then some=20 sort of error has occurred and the AX register contains the error = number.
Technische Universitaet Chemnitz = Chemnitz Germany=20 2000 Academic 528 422 150000. Seven year and a half, sir.
From a mouth unseen there came a deadly = laughter.=20 Creates an editor window that allows the user to edit the specified = component,=20 using the specified context information.
It seemed incomprehensible to = me.
 
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capwap-archive@ietf.org Subject: A typical piece of code that tests such a flag would read its value and determine if the critical section is in use. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:20:54 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C78114.C1889030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: e2b1c21e3dfd00bd40339b153dfe4f6a ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C78114.C1889030 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C78114.C1889030" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C78114.C1889030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Debian is a registered trademark of Software in the Public Interest, = Inc. If the second substrate is molded with information, the capacity is = doubled to 9. And there was a rise in the suicide rate at both these magical = milestones. The first step must start from 0. If at first you don't succeed, you've failed failed again If brains were = dynamite you couldn't blow your nose. If you have interest in porting, drop me a line, I'll make the source = available on request. That was as good a question as any I'd had all day. And she didn't come again, and she didn't answer my letters when I went = back to the School. If the carry flag is set upon return, then some sort of error has = occurred and the AX register contains the error number. Technische Universitaet Chemnitz Chemnitz Germany 2000 Academic 528 422 = 150000. Seven year and a half, sir. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter. Creates an editor = window that allows the user to edit the specified component, using the = specified context information. It seemed incomprehensible to me. ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C78114.C1889030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Debian is a registered trademark of = Software in the=20 Public Interest, Inc.
If the second substrate is molded with = information,=20 the capacity is doubled to 9.
And there was a rise in the suicide = rate at both=20 these magical milestones. The first step must start from 0.
If at first you don't succeed, you've = failed failed=20 again If brains were dynamite you couldn't blow your nose.
If you have interest in porting, drop = me a line,=20 I'll make the source available on request.
That was as good a question as any I'd = had all day.
And she didn't come again, and she = didn't answer my=20 letters when I went back to the School.
If the carry flag is set upon return, = then some=20 sort of error has occurred and the AX register contains the error = number.
Technische Universitaet Chemnitz = Chemnitz Germany=20 2000 Academic 528 422 150000. Seven year and a half, sir.
From a mouth unseen there came a deadly = laughter.=20 Creates an editor window that allows the user to edit the specified = component,=20 using the specified context information.
It seemed incomprehensible to = me.
 
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<000001c78130$98827bd0$4d66640a@arubanetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A20396389F@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Index: Acd28nW4v2uiooCBTSGmGO73OR/l9QAAEErgAcdsmeAAf3i6EABHuPwg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1938950306==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c307e466c5fb8dd2974e846d3b474c9f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1938950306== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C780F5.EC23A3D0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C780F5.EC23A3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Abhijit/Pat, I am ok with changes 3 and 4. For change #1, I think definition is not sufficient. * Define the control (and also data) channel is between WTP IP address, AC IP address, IP Protocol, well known port at AC and WTP assigned (or well know UDP) port at WTP. * It may be good idea to define the well know UDP port also as part of terminology, as it is referred in the previous definition. * It may be good idea also to define the WTP IP address here, as it may be different than section 4.5.52. For change #2, there is no point of repeating the definition again. Instead it should refer to term "CAPWAP Control Channel" and "CAPWAP Data Channel " in section 1.4 _Suds _____ From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:03 AM To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 Does anyone have any issues with the adoption of the proposed text below? PatC _____ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:15 PM To: capwap Subject: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 The changes to resolve issue 254 (see below) seems to be missing from version 06 of the capwap protocol spec. Thanks, Abhijit _____ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM To: capwap; Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a number of places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to fix. I also noticed that in the spec, we start using "data channel" and "control channel" without defining what they are. I propose the following changes: 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) CAPWAP Control Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, IP Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control packets are sent. CAPWAP Data Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets are sent. 2. In Section 3.1 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP, the source and destination ports are reversed. 3. In Section 4.1 Replace Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the data UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on (see Section 3.1). With Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the channel it was received on (see Section 3.1). 4. In Section 4.3 Replace Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel UDP port. With Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel. Thanks, Abhijit ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C780F5.EC23A3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Abhijit/Pat,

 

I am ok with changes 3 and 4. =

 

For change #1, I think definition = is not sufficient.

 

  • Define the control (and also data) channel is between WTP IP address, AC = IP address, IP Protocol, well known port at AC and WTP assigned (or = well know UDP) port at WTP.
  • It may be good idea to define the well know UDP port also as part of terminology, as it is referred in the previous = definition.
  • It may be good idea also to define the WTP IP address here, as it may = be different than section 4.5.52.

 

For change #2, there is no point of repeating the definition again. Instead it should refer to term = “CAPWAP Control Channel” and = “CAPWAP Data Channel “ in section 1.4 =

 

_Suds

 

From: Pat = Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, = 2007 3:03 AM
To: Abhijit Choudhury = (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: Re: [Capwap] FW: = Proposed Text for Issue 254

 

Does anyone have any issues with = the adoption of the proposed text below?

 

PatC

 

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)
Sent: Friday, April 13, = 2007 2:15 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] FW: = Proposed Text for Issue 254

The = changes to resolve issue 254 (see below) seems to be missing from =

version = 06 of the capwap protocol spec.

 

 

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

 

 

 

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)
Sent: Wednesday, April = 04, 2007 12:57 PM
To: capwap; Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal
Subject: Re: [Capwap] = Proposed Text for Issue 254

While trying to address Issue 254, I realized = that there are a number of

places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we = need to fix.

I also noticed that in the spec, we = start using "data channel"<= /p>

and "control channel" without = defining what they are.

 

I propose the following = changes:<= /p>

 

1. Add the following to Terminology (Section = 1.4)<= /p>

 

      CAPWAP Control Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, = <= /p>

        IP = Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control  = <= /p>

        packets are sent.<= /p>

 

        CAPWAP Data = Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, <= /p>

        WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP = Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets <= /p>

        = are sent.
 <= /p>

2. In Section = 3.1

    Replace

        CAPWAP protocol control = packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
        well known UDP port [to = be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
        packets sent between the = WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
        assigned].

    With
         CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use
         well known UDP port [to = be IANA assigned] at the AC and any<= /p>

         port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data
         packets sent from the = WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
         assigned] at the AC and = any port selected by the implementation <= /p>

      =    at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the = WTP, 
         the source and = destination ports are reversed.

3. In Section 4.1<= /p>

    Replace<= /p>

         Payload Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that
          follows the = preamble header.  The following values are supported:<= /p>

 

          0 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the data UDP = port,
             = the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP
             = data packet.  If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP
             = stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control
             packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or
             Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.<= /p>

 

          1 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a = data
             = or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on
             = (see Section 3.1).

 

    With<= /p>

         Payload Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that
          follows the = preamble header.  The following values are supported:<= /p>

 

          0 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel,
             = the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP
             = data packet.  If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP
             = stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control
             packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or
             Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.<= /p>

 

          1 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a = data
             = or control packet, based on the channel it was received on
             = (see Section 3.1).

 

 

4. In Section 4.3<= /p>

   Replace<= /p>

      Both CAPWAP = data messages are transmitted on the data channel = UDP port.<= /p>

   With<= /p>

       Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data = channel.<= /p>

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

 

 <= /p>

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Later in the Transport section, the specifics are nailed down:=20 the Protocol is defined to be UDP or UDP-Lite and the ports to be well-known or not. Since the Terminology section comes at the beginning of the document, it doesn't seem like the right place to define in detail like you are proposing. =20 So, based on this, would you like to suggest some changes to (1) that you'd be satisfied with ? =20 Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:40 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); 'capwap' Subject: RE: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 Abhijit/Pat, =20 I am ok with changes 3 and 4.=20 =20 For change #1, I think definition is not sufficient. =20 * Define the control (and also data) channel is between WTP IP address, AC IP address, IP Protocol, well known port at AC and WTP assigned (or well know UDP) port at WTP.=20 * It may be good idea to define the well know UDP port also as part of terminology, as it is referred in the previous definition.=20 * It may be good idea also to define the WTP IP address here, as it may be different than section 4.5.52.=20 =20 For change #2, there is no point of repeating the definition again. Instead it should refer to term "CAPWAP Control Channel" and "CAPWAP Data Channel " in section 1.4=20 =20 _Suds =20 ________________________________ From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:03 AM To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 =20 Does anyone have any issues with the adoption of the proposed text below? =20 PatC =20 ________________________________ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:15 PM To: capwap Subject: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 The changes to resolve issue 254 (see below) seems to be missing from=20 version 06 of the capwap protocol spec. =20 =20 Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM To: capwap; Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a number of places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to fix. I also noticed that in the spec, we start using "data channel" and "control channel" without defining what they are. =20 I propose the following changes: =20 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) =20 CAPWAP Control Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 IP Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control =20 packets are sent. =20 CAPWAP Data Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets=20 are sent. =20 2. In Section 3.1 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP,=20 the source and destination ports are reversed. 3. In Section 4.1 Replace Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the data UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 With Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the channel it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 =20 4. In Section 4.3 Replace Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel UDP port. With Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel. Thanks, Abhijit =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C78132.3BB534E5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sudhanshu,
 
I was trying to first define the notion that = the=20 control
or data channel refers to a 5-tuple without = specifying=20 what
the transport is.  Later in the=20 Transport
section, the specifics are nailed down:=20
the Protocol is defined to be UDP or=20 UDP-Lite
and the ports to be well-known or not. Since = the=20 Terminology
section comes at the beginning of the = document, it=20 doesn't
seem like the right place to define in detail = like=20 you
are proposing.
 
So, based on this, would you like to suggest = some=20 changes to
(1) that you'd be satisfied with = ?
 
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
 
 

From: Sudhanshu=20 [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, = 2007 1:40=20 PM
To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu);=20 'capwap'
Subject: RE: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue=20 254

Abhijit/Pat,

 

I am ok with = changes 3=20 and 4.

 

For change = #1, I think=20 definition is not sufficient.

 

  • Define the control (and = also data)=20 channel is between WTP IP address, AC IP address, IP Protocol, well = known port=20 at AC and WTP assigned (or well know UDP) port at=20 WTP.=20
  • It may be good idea to = define the=20 well know UDP port also as part of terminology, as it is referred in = the=20 previous definition.=20
  • It may be good idea also = to define=20 the WTP IP address here, as it may be different than section=20 4.5.52.

 

For change = #2, there is=20 no point of repeating the definition again. Instead it should refer to = term=20 “CAPWAP Control=20 Channel” and=20 “CAPWAP Data=20 Channel “ in = section 1.4=20

 

_Suds

 

From: Pat=20 Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:03 = AM
To: Abhijit = Choudhury=20 (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: Re:=20 [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue = 254

 

Does anyone = have any=20 issues with the adoption of the proposed text=20 below?

 

PatC

 

From: Abhijit=20 Choudhury (achoudhu)
Sent:=20 Friday, April 13, 2007 2:15 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] FW: Proposed = Text for=20 Issue 254

The = changes to=20 resolve issue 254 (see below) seems to be missing from=20

version 06 of=20 the capwap protocol spec.

 

 

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

 

 

 

From: Abhijit=20 Choudhury (achoudhu)
Sent:=20 Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM
To: capwap; Pat Calhoun = (pacalhou); Puneet=20 Agarwal
Subject: Re: = [Capwap]=20 Proposed Text for Issue 254

While trying to = address=20 Issue 254, I realized that there are a number = of

places in the = CAPWAP=20 protocol spec that we need to fix.

I also noticed = that in the=20 spec, we start using "data channel"

and "control = channel"=20 without defining what they are.

 

I propose the = following=20 changes:

 

1. Add the = following to=20 Terminology (Section 1.4)

 

      CAPWAP Control=20 Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,=20

        IP = Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4Port,=20 AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control  =

       =20 packets are sent.

 

       =20 CAPWAP Data = Channel:  A=20 connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr,

       =20 WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP = Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which = CAPWAP=20 data packets

       =20 are sent.
 

2. In Section=20 3.1

    = Replace

        CAPWAP = protocol=20 control packets sent between the WTP and the AC=20 use
        well known UDP = port [to=20 be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol=20 data
        packets sent = between the=20 WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be=20 IANA
        assigned].
   =20 With
         CAPWAP protocol = control=20 packets sent from the WTP to the AC=20 use
         well known UDP = port [to=20 be IANA assigned] at the AC and any

         port=20 selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol=20 data
         packets sent = from the=20 WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be=20 IANA
         assigned] at = the AC and=20 any port selected by the implementation 

     =20    at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by = the AC to=20 the WTP, 
         the = source=20 and destination ports are reversed.

3. In Section=20 4.1

   =20 Replace

         Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:

 

         =20 0 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the data UDP=20 port,
          &nbs= p; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the control UDP port, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.

 

         =20 1 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).

 

    = With

         Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:

 

         =20 0 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data = channel,
          &= nbsp; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.

 

         =20 1 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the channel it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).

 

 

4. In Section=20 4.3

   Replace

     =20 Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel=20 UDP port.

  =20 With

       Both = CAPWAP=20 data messages are transmitted on the data channel.

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C78132.3BB534E5-- --===============2047596145== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap --===============2047596145==-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 17 17:35:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdvKv-0001Fx-3g for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:35:41 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HdvKs-0002aP-Ls for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:35:41 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CF914491BE for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBB74A40A4 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE371448014 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA2D1448010 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s8so2125215wxc for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr7088685agz.1176845724184; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SJainT60 ( [216.31.249.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20sm2721044agd.2007.04.17.14.35.20; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:35:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sudhanshu" To: "'Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)'" , "'capwap'" References: <000c01c77d26$671c5dd0$4566640a@arubanetworks.com> <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2039638A2@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:35:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c78138$4d313290$4d66640a@arubanetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2039638A2@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Index: Acd9GbZUH/HxhCA2SxGOWep9E1MPewADGjAgALqPR3AASVN3sA== X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a We should make the protocol behavior identical. It will help in * Address V6 WTP and V4 AC scenario * Avoid sending V4 IP address by v6 WTP - a kind of hack _Suds -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:21 AM To: Sudhanshu; capwap Subject: RE: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address I believe the idea is that there will not be any IPv6 NATs out there (or at least there aren't any v6-v6 NATs). The WTP IPv4 Address message element MUST be included by the WTP to allow the AC to determine whether a NAT exists between the two nodes. Having it as optional makes it impossible for the AC to make this determination, and the WTP would obviously never know if a NAT is used. The question is whether the WTP IPv6 Address message element would be useful in a v4-v6 NAT scenario. I suppose it would be useful if the WTP was on a v6 network, and the AC was on a v4 network. In such a scenario, the AC would expect to see the WTP IPv4 Address message element, which would obviously be absent since the WTP is an IPv6 node. So either the AC rejects the request, or we add the proposed WTP IPv6 Address message element to make the protocol handling identical, regardless of the underlying IP version number. Thoughts? PatC -----Original Message----- From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:17 AM To: 'capwap' Subject: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address Currently we have not defined the WTP IPv6 address message element. WTP IPv6 address message element is not needed as it is used exclusively for NAT? Or do we assume that WTP will not be IPv6 host? If former, "WTP IPv4 address message element" should be optional in join request. 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Al. In case of local bridging, isn't the data channel should be optional? But looks like we assume that data channel will always be present. What are the benefits this data channel provide in case of local briding? 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Check the news of TMXO, capwap-archive, contact broker From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 18 01:26:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1He2gn-0000J3-5A for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:26:45 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1He2gl-0004M6-OJ for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:26:45 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257661449191 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BAB4A40ED for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0FF1448125 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:26:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 2 mons 24 days 06:08:07 ago Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F90614480F3 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (HELO IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.105.51]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 18 Apr 2007 01:26:27 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,420,1170651600"; d="scan'208"; a="5061848:sNHT6935022" content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:25:46 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: publication of the three informational documents Thread-Index: AceBegK9f8q03xb5TG6HH+Evqna3bQ== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "capwap" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" Subject: [Capwap] publication of the three informational documents X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a As you could see from the agenda of the 4/19 IESG telechat, the three documents draft-ohara-capwap-lwapp draft-iino-capwap-wicop draft-narasimhan-ietf-slapp that were initial submissions for the capwap protocol and were re-submitted as independent submissions via RFC Editor will be discussed in the telechat tomorrow for publication as Informational RFCs, with an IESG notes that explains their status. Some of the ADs raised the concern that the publication of the documents before the CAPWAP protocol is completed and published can create confusion, and recommended considering postponing the publication until the completion of the CAPWAP protocol document. If there are any strong opinions on this respect please make them heard here or to the IESG until tomorrow 4/19 morning the latest (the IESG telechat starts at 11:30ET on 4/19). Dan _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 18 03:32:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1He4ec-0003Sg-6O for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:32:38 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1He4ea-0002Yt-Nw for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:32:38 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5572C39FBAD for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C564A408E for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1021398024 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F6B398022 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Apr 2007 00:32:24 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,421,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="479078830:sNHT56501768" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3I7WNQ2000955; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:32:23 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3I7WFMF027752; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:32:15 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:32:15 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:32:09 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2039642D6@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] publication of the three informational documents Thread-Index: AceBegK9f8q03xb5TG6HH+Evqna3bQAEZGlg From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2007 07:32:15.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFCC7D80:01C7818B] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" Subject: Re: [Capwap] publication of the three informational documents X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 I agree with the ADs concens, and would also request that the informational RFCs be published post CAPWAP RFC. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:26 PM To: capwap Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) Subject: [Capwap] publication of the three informational documents As you could see from the agenda of the 4/19 IESG telechat, the three documents draft-ohara-capwap-lwapp draft-iino-capwap-wicop draft-narasimhan-ietf-slapp that were initial submissions for the capwap protocol and were re-submitted as independent submissions via RFC Editor will be discussed in the telechat tomorrow for publication as Informational RFCs, with an IESG notes that explains their status. Some of the ADs raised the concern that the publication of the documents before the CAPWAP protocol is completed and published can create confusion, and recommended considering postponing the publication until the completion of the CAPWAP protocol document. If there are any strong opinions on this respect please make them heard here or to the IESG until tomorrow 4/19 morning the latest (the IESG telechat starts at 11:30ET on 4/19). 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required=7.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" Subject: Re: [Capwap] publication of the three informational documents X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Dan and Pat: I'm fine with waiting until after the CAPWAP draft is completed. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:32 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); capwap Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) Subject: Re: [Capwap] publication of the three informational documents I agree with the ADs concens, and would also request that the informational RFCs be published post CAPWAP RFC. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:26 PM To: capwap Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) Subject: [Capwap] publication of the three informational documents As you could see from the agenda of the 4/19 IESG telechat, the three documents draft-ohara-capwap-lwapp draft-iino-capwap-wicop draft-narasimhan-ietf-slapp that were initial submissions for the capwap protocol and were re-submitted as independent submissions via RFC Editor will be discussed in the telechat tomorrow for publication as Informational RFCs, with an IESG notes that explains their status. Some of the ADs raised the concern that the publication of the documents before the CAPWAP protocol is completed and published can create confusion, and recommended considering postponing the publication until the completion of the CAPWAP protocol document. If there are any strong opinions on this respect please make them heard here or to the IESG until tomorrow 4/19 morning the latest (the IESG telechat starts at 11:30ET on 4/19). 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CAPWAP Data Channel: A layer 4 connection between WTP and AC over which CAPWAP data packets are sent. Normally you define the terminology up-front, which make sense very late in the document. So if you want to go with this argument, here are my inputs. No major change, just re-spinning your words. 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) CAPWAP control port: Well know UDP port number used for control plane communication between WTP and AC [to be assigned by IANA]. CAPWAP data port: Well know UDP port number used for data plane communication between WTP and AC [to be assigned by IANA]. CAPWAP Control Channel: A bi-directional flow defined by WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, IP protocol, AC's CAPWAP control port and any UDP port used by WTP, over which CAPWAP control packets are sent. CAPWAP Data Channel: A bi-directional flow defined by WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, IP Protocol, AC's CAPWAP data port and any UDP port used by WTP over which CAPWAP data and data channel keep alive packets are sent. 2. In Section 3.1 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packet sent between the WTP and the AC use CAPWAP control channel. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use CAPWAP data channel as defined in section 1.4. I am OK with both the text. -Suds _____ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:52 PM To: Sudhanshu; Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap; Puneet Agarwal Subject: RE: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 Hi Sudhanshu, I was trying to first define the notion that the control or data channel refers to a 5-tuple without specifying what the transport is. Later in the Transport section, the specifics are nailed down: the Protocol is defined to be UDP or UDP-Lite and the ports to be well-known or not. Since the Terminology section comes at the beginning of the document, it doesn't seem like the right place to define in detail like you are proposing. So, based on this, would you like to suggest some changes to (1) that you'd be satisfied with ? Thanks, Abhijit _____ From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:40 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); 'capwap' Subject: RE: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 Abhijit/Pat, I am ok with changes 3 and 4. For change #1, I think definition is not sufficient. * Define the control (and also data) channel is between WTP IP address, AC IP address, IP Protocol, well known port at AC and WTP assigned (or well know UDP) port at WTP. * It may be good idea to define the well know UDP port also as part of terminology, as it is referred in the previous definition. * It may be good idea also to define the WTP IP address here, as it may be different than section 4.5.52. For change #2, there is no point of repeating the definition again. Instead it should refer to term "CAPWAP Control Channel" and "CAPWAP Data Channel " in section 1.4 _Suds _____ From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:03 AM To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap Subject: Re: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 Does anyone have any issues with the adoption of the proposed text below? PatC _____ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:15 PM To: capwap Subject: [Capwap] FW: Proposed Text for Issue 254 The changes to resolve issue 254 (see below) seems to be missing from version 06 of the capwap protocol spec. Thanks, Abhijit _____ From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:57 PM To: capwap; Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 254 While trying to address Issue 254, I realized that there are a number of places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we need to fix. I also noticed that in the spec, we start using "data channel" and "control channel" without defining what they are. I propose the following changes: 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) CAPWAP Control Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, IP Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control packets are sent. CAPWAP Data Channel: A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets are sent. 2. In Section 3.1 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned] at the AC and any port selected by the implementation at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the WTP, the source and destination ports are reversed. 3. In Section 4.1 Replace Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the data UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on (see Section 3.1). With Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the channel it was received on (see Section 3.1). 4. In Section 4.3 Replace Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel UDP port. With Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel. Thanks, Abhijit ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C781C4.23B66E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Abhijit,

 

If you want to go with very generic information, here is the language

 

      CAPWAP Control Channel:  A layer 4 connection between WTP and AC over which = CAPWAP control 

        packets are sent.<= /p>

 

        CAPWAP Data = Channel:  A layer 4 connection between WTP and AC over which CAPWAP data packets = <= /p>

        = are sent.

Normally you define the terminology up-front, which make sense very late in the document. So if you want to = go with this argument, here are my inputs. No major change, just re-spinning = your words.

 

1. Add the following to Terminology (Section = 1.4)<= /p>

 

      CAPWAP control = port: Well know UDP port number used for control plane communication =

      between WTP = and AC [to be assigned by IANA].

 

      CAPWAP data = port: Well know UDP port number used for data plane communication between =

WTP and AC [to be = assigned by IANA].

 

CAPWAP Control Channel:  A bi-directional flow defined by WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, = IP protocol, AC’s = CAPWAP control port and any UDP = port used by WTP, over which CAPWAP control packets are = sent.

 

      CAPWAP Data Channel:  A bi-directional flow defined by WTP-IP-Addr, = AC-IP-Addr, IP = Protocol, AC’s = CAPWAP

data port and any UDP port used by WTP over = which CAPWAP data and data channel keep alive packets are sent.
 <= /p>

2. In Section = 3.1

    Replace

        CAPWAP protocol control = packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
        well known UDP port [to = be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
        packets sent between the = WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
        assigned].

    With

  CAPWAP = protocol control packet sent between the WTP and the AC use CAPWAP control = channel. CAPWAP

  protocol = data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use CAPWAP data channel as defined in = section 1.4.

 

 

I am OK with both the = text.

 

-Suds

 

From: = Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, = 2007 1:52 PM
To: Sudhanshu; Pat = Calhoun (pacalhou); capwap; Puneet Agarwal
Subject: RE: [Capwap] FW: = Proposed Text for Issue 254

 

Hi = Sudhanshu,

 

I was = trying to first define the notion that the control

or data = channel refers to a 5-tuple without specifying what

the = transport is.  Later in the Transport

section, = the specifics are nailed down:

the Protocol is defined to be UDP or = UDP-Lite

and the = ports to be well-known or not. Since the Terminology

section = comes at the beginning of the document, it doesn't

seem = like the right place to define in detail like you

are = proposing.

 

So, = based on this, would you like to suggest some changes = to

(1) that = you'd be satisfied with ?

 

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

 

 

 

From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, = 2007 1:40 PM
To: Pat Calhoun = (pacalhou); Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); 'capwap'
Subject: RE: [Capwap] FW: = Proposed Text for Issue 254

Abhijit/Pat,

 

I am ok with changes 3 and 4. =

 

For change #1, I think definition = is not sufficient.

 

  • Define the control (and also data) channel is between WTP IP address, AC = IP address, IP Protocol, well known port at AC and WTP assigned (or = well know UDP) port at WTP.
  • It may be good idea to define the well know UDP port also as part of terminology, as it is referred in the previous = definition.
  • It may be good idea also to define the WTP IP address here, as it may = be different than section 4.5.52.

 

For change #2, there is no point of repeating the definition again. Instead it should refer to term = “CAPWAP Control Channel” and = “CAPWAP Data Channel “ in section 1.4 =

 

_Suds

 

From: Pat = Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, = 2007 3:03 AM
To: Abhijit Choudhury = (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: Re: [Capwap] FW: = Proposed Text for Issue 254

 

Does anyone have any issues with = the adoption of the proposed text below?

 

PatC

 

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)
Sent: Friday, April 13, = 2007 2:15 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] FW: = Proposed Text for Issue 254

The = changes to resolve issue 254 (see below) seems to be missing from =

version = 06 of the capwap protocol spec.

 

 

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

 

 

 

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)
Sent: Wednesday, April = 04, 2007 12:57 PM
To: capwap; Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Puneet Agarwal
Subject: Re: [Capwap] = Proposed Text for Issue 254

While trying to address Issue 254, I realized = that there are a number of

places in the CAPWAP protocol spec that we = need to fix.

I also noticed that in the spec, we = start using "data channel"<= /p>

and "control channel" without = defining what they are.

 

I propose the following = changes:<= /p>

 

1. Add the following to Terminology (Section = 1.4)<= /p>

 

      CAPWAP Control Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, = <= /p>

        IP = Protocol, WTP-Control-Layer4Port, AC-Control-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP control  = <= /p>

        packets are sent.<= /p>

 

        CAPWAP Data = Channel:  A connection defined by (WTP-IP-Addr, AC-IP-Addr, <= /p>

        WTP-Data-Layer4Port, IP = Protocol, AC-Data-Layer4Port) over which CAPWAP data packets <= /p>

        = are sent.
 <= /p>

2. In Section = 3.1

    Replace

        CAPWAP protocol control = packets sent between the WTP and the AC use
        well known UDP port [to = be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol data
        packets sent between the = WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
        assigned].

    With
         CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use
         well known UDP port [to = be IANA assigned] at the AC and any<= /p>

         port selected by the implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data
         packets sent from the = WTP to the AC use UDP port [to be IANA
         assigned] at the AC and = any port selected by the implementation <= /p>

      =    at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the AC to the = WTP, 
         the source and = destination ports are reversed.

3. In Section 4.1<= /p>

    Replace<= /p>

         Payload Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that
          follows the = preamble header.  The following values are supported:<= /p>

 

          0 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the data UDP = port,
             = the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP
             = data packet.  If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP
             = stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control
             packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or
             Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.<= /p>

 

          1 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a = data
             = or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on
             = (see Section 3.1).

 

    With<= /p>

         Payload Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that
          follows the = preamble header.  The following values are supported:<= /p>

 

          0 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data = channel,
             = the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP
             = data packet.  If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP
             = stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control
             = packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or
             Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.<= /p>

 

          1 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a = data
             = or control packet, based on the channel it was received on
             = (see Section 3.1).

 

 

4. In Section 4.3<= /p>

   Replace<= /p>

      Both CAPWAP = data messages are transmitted on the data channel = UDP port.<= /p>

   With<= /p>

       Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data = channel.<= /p>

Thanks,

Abhijit

 

 

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From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Fri Apr 20 19:38:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hf2gq-000476-AG for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:38:56 -0400 Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.42]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hf2go-0007bM-ON for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:38:56 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2633F14C1ED2 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA3B4A408E for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE808398055 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282D3398024 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-8.cisco.com ([171.68.10.93]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 20 Apr 2007 16:38:39 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,434,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="414017543:sNHT79943664" Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (sj-core-4.cisco.com [171.68.223.138]) by sj-dkim-8.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3KNcdvt018405; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:38:39 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3KNcVwp005485; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:38:35 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:38:33 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:38:33 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2039C32A4@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <000501c78138$4d313290$4d66640a@arubanetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address Thread-Index: Acd9GbZUH/HxhCA2SxGOWep9E1MPewADGjAgALqPR3AASVN3sACQfIdw From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Sudhanshu" , "capwap" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2007 23:38:33.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[02651550:01C783A5] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-8; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim8002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2857c5c041d6c02d7181d602c22822c8 Fair enough. Note that the current WTP IPv4 Address is currently a MUST in the Join Request, which is invalid for IPv6 WTPs - so I changed the text so that at least one of them MUST be present. I have created issue 257, and included the proposed text below. 4.5. CAPWAP Protocol Message Elements [...] WTP IPv4 IP Address 42 WTP IPv6 IP Address 43 4.5.43. WTP IPv6 IP Address The WTP IPv6 address is used to perform NAT detection (e.g., IPv4 to IPv6 NAT to help with technology transition). 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | WTP IPv6 IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | WTP IPv6 IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | WTP IPv6 IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | WTP IPv6 IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 43 for WTP IPv6 IP Address Length: 32 WTP IPv6 IP Address: The IPv6 address from which the WTP is sending packets. This field is used for NAT detection. 6.1. Join Request [...] At least one of the following message element MUST be included in the Join Request message. o WTP IPv4 IP Address, see Section 4.5.42 o WTP IPv6 IP Address, see Section 4.5.43 PatC -----Original Message----- From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:35 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); 'capwap' Subject: RE: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address We should make the protocol behavior identical. It will help in * Address V6 WTP and V4 AC scenario * Avoid sending V4 IP address by v6 WTP - a kind of hack _Suds -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:21 AM To: Sudhanshu; capwap Subject: RE: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address I believe the idea is that there will not be any IPv6 NATs out there (or at least there aren't any v6-v6 NATs). The WTP IPv4 Address message element MUST be included by the WTP to allow the AC to determine whether a NAT exists between the two nodes. Having it as optional makes it impossible for the AC to make this determination, and the WTP would obviously never know if a NAT is used. The question is whether the WTP IPv6 Address message element would be useful in a v4-v6 NAT scenario. I suppose it would be useful if the WTP was on a v6 network, and the AC was on a v4 network. In such a scenario, the AC would expect to see the WTP IPv4 Address message element, which would obviously be absent since the WTP is an IPv6 node. So either the AC rejects the request, or we add the proposed WTP IPv6 Address message element to make the protocol handling identical, regardless of the underlying IP version number. Thoughts? PatC -----Original Message----- From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:17 AM To: 'capwap' Subject: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address Currently we have not defined the WTP IPv6 address message element. WTP IPv6 address message element is not needed as it is used exclusively for NAT? Or do we assume that WTP will not be IPv6 host? If former, "WTP IPv4 address message element" should be optional in join request. 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Turn off your printer.
They march over and go out.
Perhaps a dozen men moved about him, carrying weapons, cleaning
weapons, stacking weapons.
Now a new bride had captured his eyes, though he was blind to it.
Kewl, the game now officially don't need the original disk.
Whenever possible, avoid prefixing instructions.
On Windows 98 or Windows Me run instmsiA.
Installs the NPF device driver.
PDF in the folder "Language" to consult this infor- mation.
One is sharply conscious, yet without regret, of the limits to the
possibility of mutual understanding and sympathy with one's
fellow-creatures. 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Note that closing the thread handle doesn't terminate the thread.
Click the Execute item to view the items in the Installation Execute Sequence.
Redraw is not necessary if using a private colormap.
Here is the Irregular Activities page, and here is the News page at
Melloworld. This file also defines a hypertext link that lets the
user display a description of each musician.
Karik found an end and started to disentangle it.
I certainly never bought them.
One-Two-Three fainted and toppled off the horse.
This is not recommended for shared computers.
There was silent laughter in the soundless shrieks of the tortured
faces. And now, for the first time in my life, I found myself
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and preening,=20= dancing on the basepaths,
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whose soft bristles graze the top-racks.
What is there in=20= the depths of these walls
The road, but not far enough=20= ahead
Grateful, I know, for just such compensations,
Only whirled=20= snow heaped up by whirled snow,
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Where, as I discover as I go through
Swaying in=20= unison beneath the snow,
Toward the still dab of white that=20= oscillates
They move against, or through, or by, or toward.
I.=20= Further Exploration of Spitsbergen
Gray the cloud-like oaks
That=20= only you and I can know. Les deux
That square=97Oh, 56 x 56
Rise,=20= to the muffled chime of churchbell choir.
IV. The Paths to=20= Cathay
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id 1HfUFv-00080Y-W9 for capwap-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:05:09 -0400 Message-ID: <06cc01c78505$3ece31c0$9281f7a0@kempiricals> Reply-To: "Boboeg Travis" From: "Boboeg Travis" To: Subject: by agony Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:04:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_03E9B92A.E57C8AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.2963 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.2963 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: ee80a2074afbfe28d15369f4e74e579d ------=_NextPart_000_0002_03E9B92A.E57C8AA0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_03E9B92A.E57C8AA0" ------=_NextPart_001_0003_03E9B92A.E57C8AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable undisclosed number of owner complaints of vomiting and kidney failure in dogs and are lists of specific brands recalled by Menu Foods, in addition to Proctor & Gamble's 5.3 oz. foil pouch cat and dog wet food products made by Menu Foods but sold manufacturer of dog and cat food sold under Wal-Mart, Safeway, Kroger and other 'Cuts and gravy' food sold in cans, pouches recalled he recall covers the company's "cuts and gravy" style food, which consists of chunks of meat in gravy, on an Islamic school in southern Thailand, killing three Muslim students and ploy to win villagers over to the insurgents' cause."Insurgents always use this trick daily in Thailand's three Muslim-majority provinces -- Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani A 12-year-old boy and two 14 year olds were killed, he said.The wounded students, would cost the company the Canadian equivalent of million to million. 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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:48:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C78480.4EA5D680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 18100d5cbd6ebe12591b0282c337464d ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C78480.4EA5D680 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0005_01C78480.4EA5D680" ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C78480.4EA5D680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It would be below our dignity. Is the target program NOT writable by = anyone else. Hypnosis, self-hypnosis, visions, trance states, ecstasies, = hallucinations--these arethings that have always seemed very attractive. = HyperTerminal Private Edition (Commercial single-user license). 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The text is terse, but the = documentation is accurate.
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TGradient is an extremely fast gradient = fill=20 control with a large set of styles. We make your bed.
Soon I noticed a huddle of = men.
They don't know what they're = playing.
A profile systematically describes how = color=20 numbers map to a particular color space, usually that of a device such = as a=20 scanner, printer, or monitor.
 
 
 
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It returns the next entry from the database. De mon seul bien on me depouille.
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C785B6.910F4E70-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Apr 23 13:16:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hg29h-000282-DJ for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:16:49 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hg29f-0005cv-QX for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:16:49 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4453A5C38 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C144A40AE for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A938431A26 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D80431A1E for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t16so215812wxc for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.108.18 with SMTP id g18mr10623363wxc.1177348598361; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SJainT60 ( [216.31.249.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h12sm10053749wxd.2007.04.23.10.16.35; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:16:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sudhanshu" To: "'Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)'" , "'capwap'" References: <000501c78138$4d313290$4d66640a@arubanetworks.com> <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2039C32A4@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:16:33 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c785cb$25ba7360$4d66640a@arubanetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2039C32A4@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd9GbZUH/HxhCA2SxGOWep9E1MPewADGjAgALqPR3AASVN3sACQfIdwAJTbZ6A= X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=RCVD_BY_IP, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6ffdee8af20de249c24731d8414917d3 Looks good. _Suds -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:39 PM To: Sudhanshu; capwap Subject: RE: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address Fair enough. Note that the current WTP IPv4 Address is currently a MUST in the Join Request, which is invalid for IPv6 WTPs - so I changed the text so that at least one of them MUST be present. I have created issue 257, and included the proposed text below. 4.5. CAPWAP Protocol Message Elements [...] WTP IPv4 IP Address 42 WTP IPv6 IP Address 43 4.5.43. WTP IPv6 IP Address The WTP IPv6 address is used to perform NAT detection (e.g., IPv4 to IPv6 NAT to help with technology transition). 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | WTP IPv6 IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | WTP IPv6 IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | WTP IPv6 IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | WTP IPv6 IP Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type: 43 for WTP IPv6 IP Address Length: 32 WTP IPv6 IP Address: The IPv6 address from which the WTP is sending packets. This field is used for NAT detection. 6.1. Join Request [...] At least one of the following message element MUST be included in the Join Request message. o WTP IPv4 IP Address, see Section 4.5.42 o WTP IPv6 IP Address, see Section 4.5.43 PatC -----Original Message----- From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:35 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); 'capwap' Subject: RE: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address We should make the protocol behavior identical. It will help in * Address V6 WTP and V4 AC scenario * Avoid sending V4 IP address by v6 WTP - a kind of hack _Suds -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:21 AM To: Sudhanshu; capwap Subject: RE: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address I believe the idea is that there will not be any IPv6 NATs out there (or at least there aren't any v6-v6 NATs). The WTP IPv4 Address message element MUST be included by the WTP to allow the AC to determine whether a NAT exists between the two nodes. Having it as optional makes it impossible for the AC to make this determination, and the WTP would obviously never know if a NAT is used. The question is whether the WTP IPv6 Address message element would be useful in a v4-v6 NAT scenario. I suppose it would be useful if the WTP was on a v6 network, and the AC was on a v4 network. In such a scenario, the AC would expect to see the WTP IPv4 Address message element, which would obviously be absent since the WTP is an IPv6 node. So either the AC rejects the request, or we add the proposed WTP IPv6 Address message element to make the protocol handling identical, regardless of the underlying IP version number. Thoughts? PatC -----Original Message----- From: Sudhanshu [mailto:sudhanshu.ietf@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:17 AM To: 'capwap' Subject: [Capwap] WTP IPvX address Currently we have not defined the WTP IPv6 address message element. WTP IPv6 address message element is not needed as it is used exclusively for NAT? Or do we assume that WTP will not be IPv6 host? If former, "WTP IPv4 address message element" should be optional in join request. 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http://razwkkrsalle.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C785F3.7D919AF0-- From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Apr 23 16:50:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hg5Ub-0000VR-T3 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:50:37 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hg5Ua-0003Im-Ea for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:50:37 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002FC3A5C10 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974DF4A40AE for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718E9398807 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mms1.broadcom.com (mms1.broadcom.com [216.31.210.17]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CC7398050 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.64.154] by mms1.broadcom.com with ESMTP (Broadcom SMTP Relay (Email Firewall v6.3.1)); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:50:18 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: 6B5CFB92-F616-4477-B110-55F967A57302 Received: by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix, from userid 47) id B34052B0; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (mail-irva-8 [10.10.64.221]) by mail-irva-10.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7FC2B9; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com [10.16.128.215]) by mail-irva-8.broadcom.com (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id FFT31679; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com (nt-sjca-0751 [10.16.192.221]) by mail-sj1-12.sj.broadcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A8020501; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:49:44 -0700 Message-ID: <8954613CA6BB3242A1531D916A527A410374561C@NT-SJCA-0751.brcm.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A2039638A0@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [Capwap] binding-ieee80211-03.txt comment Thread-Index: Acd9O9ko3NC7ezKLTN+bngUCMzLpgwAZsAIAAJs0tdABdllH8A== From: "Puneet Agarwal" To: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" , capwap@frascone.com X-WSS-ID: 6A33C38037021152354-01-01 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: [Capwap] binding-ieee80211-03.txt comment X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Hi Pat, I am fine with your proposed text. Thanks. -Puneet -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) [mailto:pcalhoun@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:13 AM To: Puneet Agarwal; capwap@frascone.com Subject: RE: [Capwap] binding-ieee80211-03.txt comment Created issue 255. Puneet, it is unclear whether you have issues only with the pararaph you included below, or with the following text (as your last sentence implies). In any case, assuming the former, how about changing the paragraph to: In the Local MAC mode, the integration service exists on the WTP, while the distribution service MAY reside on either the WTP or the AC. When it resides on the AC, station generated frames are not forwarded to the AC in their native format, but encapsulated as 802.3 frames. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:12 AM To: capwap@frascone.com Subject: [Capwap] binding-ieee80211-03.txt comment The statement in section 2.1.2 needs to be modified: " Since the Distribution and Integration Services exist on the WTP, station generated frames are not forwarded to the AC, with the exception listed in the following paragraphs." Note that we allow the distribution to happen at the AC also, hence the above statement is incorrect. Also, the following paragraph text only talks about assoc/reassoc etc as the exceptions. Thanks. -Puneet _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Mon Apr 23 21:40:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgA0f-0000OF-LD for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:40:01 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgA0e-0001xO-6Z for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:40:01 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4363A5BF6 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7BE4A40B7 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BB61448011 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-ext11.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [131.228.20.170]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D0F1448024 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l3O1dZJV006935; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:39:45 +0300 Received: from daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.112]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:39:42 +0300 Received: from daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.241.35.24]) by daebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:39:39 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:39:38 -0500 Message-ID: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0119A467@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Closure of Issue 244 Thread-Index: AceGEWwGLMYfLIY/R0GWpBRI/JJemw== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2007 01:39:39.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C8ACBF0:01C78611] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Closure of Issue 244 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0665901022==" Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0665901022== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C78611.6C7296CE" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C78611.6C7296CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG: Based on the WG response to re-open Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization, this issue will be moved to the active issues database and resolved with the solution proposed in: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html There were some objections to resolve since its late to consider optimizations at this stage of the draft, however most responses were in favor of adding the change. 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Dear WG:

Based on the WG response to re-open = Issue 244:  Preamble Header Optimization, this issue will be moved = to the active issues database and resolved with the solution proposed = in:  http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html

There were some objections to resolve = since its late to consider optimizations at this stage of the draft, = however most responses were in favor of adding the change.

Issue 244 will be reflected in the = updates to the CAPWAP drafts during upcoming WGLC.

If there are no further comments by = Thursday, April 26th, Issue 244 will be moved to the active database and = closed as agreed by consensus.


Best Regards,
Mani, Margaret and Dorothy

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SMTP id QFNAgKGiveHmP; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:36:20 -0400 (GMT) Received: by 192.168.221.217 with SMTP id ErzxjucODiTwvg.7511125379688; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:36:18 -0400 (GMT) Message-ID: <000f01c78621$b6355620$3ce20c4a@tima3rytsv691x> From: "Jordan CHUBB" To: capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: A coffin bumped out on to the road. Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:36:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C78600.2F23B620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 3.9 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: a8041eca2a724d631b098c15e9048ce9 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C78600.2F23B620 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000C_01C78600.2F23B620" ------=_NextPart_001_000C_01C78600.2F23B620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't know what poetry is even. All of this, Doctor Parcival did not = know and when George Willard came to his office he found the man shaking = with terror. To go out of my dialect, which you discommend so much. 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To go out of my dialect, which you = discommend so much.
At this or that twist of it I feel my = slippery self=20 eluding me, gliding into deeper and darker waters than I care to = probe.
Probably this was first put to him half = in a joke,=20 casually. A cold drizzle fell, then turned to light snow.
For thy hope is but = ignorance.
Blackmore and Blackmore's = Night.
As soon as he separated from the ladder = by which=20 they descended from the plane, he was approached.
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You have two ways to provide the = association.
The string being read. The prison = authorities=20 refused to take any responsibility, and they wanted it in = writing.
 
 
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Please note that it is nearly identical to Jim's original text, with a couple of very small tweaks, which I believe are necessary given the change in direction. These are all editorial in nature. 4. CAPWAP Packet Formats This section contains the CAPWAP protocol packet formats. A CAPWAP protocol packet consists of one or more CAPWAP Transport Layer packet headers followed by a CAPWAP message. The CAPWAP message can be either of type Control or Data, where Control packets carry signaling, and Data packets carry user payloads. The CAPWAP frame formats for CAPWAP Data packets, and for DTLS encapsulated CAPWAP Data and Control packets are defined below. The CAPWAP Control protocol includes two messages that are never protected by DTLS: the Discovery Request message and the Discovery Response message. These messages need to be in the clear to allow the CAPWAP protocol to properly identify and process them. The format of these packets are as follows: CAPWAP Control Packet (Discovery Request/Response): +-------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | Control | Message | | Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s) | +-------------------------------------------+ All other CAPWAP control protocol messages MUST be protected via the DTLS protocol, which ensures that the packets are both authenticated and encrypted. These packets include the CAPWAP DTLS Header, which is described in Section 4.2. The format of these packets is as follows: CAPWAP Control Packet (DTLS Security Required): +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Control| Message | DTLS | | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s)| Trlr | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ \---------- authenticated -----------/ \------------- encrypted ------------/ The CAPWAP protocol allows optional protection of data packets, using DTLS. Use of data packet protection is determined by AC policy. When DTLS is utilized, the optional CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, which is described in Section 4.2. The format of CAPWAP data packets is shown below: CAPWAP Plain Text Data Packet : +-----------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | CAPWAP | Wireless | | Hdr | Hdr | Preamble| Header | Payload | +-----------------------------------------+ DTLS Secured CAPWAP Data Packet: +--------------------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Wireless | DTLS | | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Hdr | Payload | Trlr | +--------------------------------------------------------+ \------ authenticated -----/ \------- encrypted --------/ UDP Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP. Section Section 3 defines the specific UDP usage. CAPWAP DTLS Header: All DTLS encrypted CAPWAP protocol packets are prefixed with the CAPWAP DTLS header (see Section 4.2). DTLS Header: The DTLS header provides authentication and encrytion services to the CAPWAP payload it encapsulates. This protocol is defined in RFC 4347 [8]. CAPWAP Header: All CAPWAP protocol packets use a common header that immediately follows the CAPWAP preamble or DTLS header. The CAPWAP Header is defined in Section 4.3. Wireless Payload: A CAPWAP protocol packet that contains a wireless payload is a CAPWAP data packet. The CAPWAP protocol does not specify the format of the wireless payload, which is defined by the appropriate wireless standard. Additional information is in Section 4.4. Control Header: The CAPWAP protocol includes a signalling component, known as the CAPWAP control protocol. All CAPWAP control packets include a Control Header, which is defined in Section 4.5.1. CAPWAP data packets do not contain a Control Header field. Message Elements: A CAPWAP Control packet includes one or more message elements, which are found immediately following the Control Header. These message elements are in a Type/Length/value style header, defined in Section 4.6. A CAPWAP implementation MUST be capable of receiving a reassembled CAPWAP message of length 4096 bytes. A CAPWAP implementation MAY indicate that it supports a higher maximum message length, by including the Maximum Message Length message element, see Section 4.6.29 in the Join Request message or the Join Response message. 4.1. CAPWAP Preamble The CAPWAP preamble header common to all CAPWAP transport headers and is used to identify the header type that immediately follows. The reason for this header to is avoid needing to perform byte comparisons in order to guess whether the frame is DTLS encrypted or not. It also provides an extensibility framework that can be used to support additional transport types. The format of the frame is as follows: 0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Version: A 4 bit field which contains the version of CAPWAP used in this packet. The value for this specification is zero (0). Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: 0 - CAPWAP Header. The CAPWAP Header (see Section 4.3) immediately follows the the CAPWAP Preamble Header. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Discovery Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. 1 - CAPWAP DTLS Header. The CAPWAP DTLS Header, and DTLS packet, immediately follows the CAPWAP Preamble Header (see Section 4.2). 4.2. CAPWAP DTLS Header The CAPWAP DTLS Header is used to identify the packet as a DTLS encrypted packet. The first eight bits includes the common CAPWAP Preamble Header. The remaining 24 bits are padding to ensure 4 byte alignment, and MAY be used in a future version of the protocol. The DTLS packet [8] always immediately follows this header. The format of the CAPWAP DTLS Header is as follows: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |CAPWAP Preamble| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST be set to one (1). Reserved: The 24-bit field is reserved for future use. All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined for the version of the protocol they support. 4.3. CAPWAP Header All CAPWAP protocol messages are encapsulated using a common header format, regardless of the CAPWAP control or CAPWAP Data transport used to carry the messages. However, certain flags are not applicable for a given transport. Refer to the specific transport section in order to determine which flags are valid. Note that the optional fields defined in this section MUST be present in the precise order shown below. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |CAPWAP Preamble| HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Radio MAC Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload .... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST be set to zero (0). If the CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, the version number in both CAPWAP Preamble Headers MUST match. The reason for this duplicate field is to avoid any possible tampering of the version field in the preamble header which is not encrypted or authenticated. HLEN: A 5 bit field containing the length of the CAPWAP transport header in 4 byte words (Similar to IP header length). This length includes the optional headers. RID: A 5 bit field which contains the Radio ID number for this packet. Given that MAC Addresses are not necessarily unique across physical radios in a WTP, the Radio Identifier (RID) field is used to indiciate which physical radio the message is associated with. WBID: A 5 bit field which is the wireless binding identifier. The identifier will indicate the type of wireless packet type associated with the radio. The following values are defined: 1 - IEEE 802.11 2 - IEEE 802.16 3 - EPCGlobal T: The Type 'T' bit indicates the format of the frame being transported in the payload. When this bit is set to one (1), the payload has the native frame format indicated by the WBID field. When this bit is zero (0) the payload is an IEEE 802.3 frame. F: The Fragment 'F' bit indicates whether this packet is a fragment. When this bit is one (1), the packet is a fragment and MUST be combined with the other corresponding fragments to reassemble the complete information exchanged between the WTP and AC. L: The Last 'L' bit is valid only if the 'F' bit is set and indicates whether the packet contains the last fragment of a fragmented exchange between WTP and AC. When this bit is 1, the packet is the last fragment. When this bit is 0, the packet is not the last fragment. W: The Wireless 'W' bit is used to specify whether the optional Wireless Specific Information field is present in the header. A value of one (1) is used to represent the fact that the optional header is present. M: The M bit is used to indicate that the Radio MAC Address optional header is present. This is used to communicate the MAC address of the receiving radio. K: The 'Keep-alive' K bit indicates the packet is a Data Channel Keep Alive packet. This packet is used to map the data channel to the control channel for the specified Session ID and to maintain freshness of the data channel. The K bit MUST NOT be set for data packets containing user data. Flags: A set of reserved bits for future flags in the CAPWAP header. All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined for the version of the protocol they support. Comments please, PatC ________________________________ From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:40 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Closure of Issue 244 Dear WG: Based on the WG response to re-open Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization, this issue will be moved to the active issues database and resolved with the solution proposed in: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html There were some objections to resolve since its late to consider optimizations at this stage of the draft, however most responses were in favor of adding the change. Issue 244 will be reflected in the updates to the CAPWAP drafts during upcoming WGLC. If there are no further comments by Thursday, April 26th, Issue 244 will be moved to the active database and closed as agreed by consensus. Best Regards, Mani, Margaret and Dorothy _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 24 19:38:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgUae-0002wM-Sd for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:38:32 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgUac-0007ym-Vp for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:38:32 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5679939803D for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67D94A408E for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539E239804D for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73ABE398023 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Apr 2007 16:38:06 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,448,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="140181737:sNHT91606347" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3ONc6Z5017252; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:38:06 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3ONc6Ei002165; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:38:06 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.124]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:38:06 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:38:05 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950401A66D@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203A289FB@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) Thread-Index: AceGEWwGLMYfLIY/R0GWpBRI/JJemwAsur3QAAE+8BA= References: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0119A467@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203A289FB@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2007 23:38:06.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BE71670:01C786C9] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fcb459c204557d9509ce9c1b55d771f1 I think the figures need to indicate "UDP/UDP-Lite Hdr" Another option is to do the following: CAPWAP Control Packet (Discovery Request/Response): +-------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP*| CAPWAP | Control | Message | | Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s) | +-------------------------------------------+ *Can be UDP or UDP-Lite Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:03 PM To: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com; capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) Given that, I would like to send the proposed text to the list. Please note that it is nearly identical to Jim's original text, with a couple of very small tweaks, which I believe are necessary given the change in direction. These are all editorial in nature. 4. CAPWAP Packet Formats This section contains the CAPWAP protocol packet formats. A CAPWAP protocol packet consists of one or more CAPWAP Transport Layer packet headers followed by a CAPWAP message. The CAPWAP message can be either of type Control or Data, where Control packets carry signaling, and Data packets carry user payloads. The CAPWAP frame formats for CAPWAP Data packets, and for DTLS encapsulated CAPWAP Data and Control packets are defined below. The CAPWAP Control protocol includes two messages that are never protected by DTLS: the Discovery Request message and the Discovery Response message. These messages need to be in the clear to allow the CAPWAP protocol to properly identify and process them. The format of these packets are as follows: CAPWAP Control Packet (Discovery Request/Response): +-------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | Control | Message | | Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s) | +-------------------------------------------+ All other CAPWAP control protocol messages MUST be protected via the DTLS protocol, which ensures that the packets are both authenticated and encrypted. These packets include the CAPWAP DTLS Header, which is described in Section 4.2. The format of these packets is as follows: CAPWAP Control Packet (DTLS Security Required): +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Control| Message | DTLS | | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s)| Trlr | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ \---------- authenticated -----------/ \------------- encrypted ------------/ The CAPWAP protocol allows optional protection of data packets, using DTLS. Use of data packet protection is determined by AC policy. When DTLS is utilized, the optional CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, which is described in Section 4.2. The format of CAPWAP data packets is shown below: CAPWAP Plain Text Data Packet : +-----------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | CAPWAP | Wireless | | Hdr | Hdr | Preamble| Header | Payload | +-----------------------------------------+ DTLS Secured CAPWAP Data Packet: +--------------------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Wireless | DTLS | | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Hdr | Payload | Trlr | +--------------------------------------------------------+ \------ authenticated -----/ \------- encrypted --------/ UDP Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP. Section Section 3 defines the specific UDP usage. CAPWAP DTLS Header: All DTLS encrypted CAPWAP protocol packets are prefixed with the CAPWAP DTLS header (see Section 4.2). DTLS Header: The DTLS header provides authentication and encrytion services to the CAPWAP payload it encapsulates. This protocol is defined in RFC 4347 [8]. CAPWAP Header: All CAPWAP protocol packets use a common header that immediately follows the CAPWAP preamble or DTLS header. The CAPWAP Header is defined in Section 4.3. Wireless Payload: A CAPWAP protocol packet that contains a wireless payload is a CAPWAP data packet. The CAPWAP protocol does not specify the format of the wireless payload, which is defined by the appropriate wireless standard. Additional information is in Section 4.4. Control Header: The CAPWAP protocol includes a signalling component, known as the CAPWAP control protocol. All CAPWAP control packets include a Control Header, which is defined in Section 4.5.1. CAPWAP data packets do not contain a Control Header field. Message Elements: A CAPWAP Control packet includes one or more message elements, which are found immediately following the Control Header. These message elements are in a Type/Length/value style header, defined in Section 4.6. A CAPWAP implementation MUST be capable of receiving a reassembled CAPWAP message of length 4096 bytes. A CAPWAP implementation MAY indicate that it supports a higher maximum message length, by including the Maximum Message Length message element, see Section 4.6.29 in the Join Request message or the Join Response message. 4.1. CAPWAP Preamble The CAPWAP preamble header common to all CAPWAP transport headers and is used to identify the header type that immediately follows. The reason for this header to is avoid needing to perform byte comparisons in order to guess whether the frame is DTLS encrypted or not. It also provides an extensibility framework that can be used to support additional transport types. The format of the frame is as follows: 0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Version: A 4 bit field which contains the version of CAPWAP used in this packet. The value for this specification is zero (0). Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: 0 - CAPWAP Header. The CAPWAP Header (see Section 4.3) immediately follows the the CAPWAP Preamble Header. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Discovery Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. 1 - CAPWAP DTLS Header. The CAPWAP DTLS Header, and DTLS packet, immediately follows the CAPWAP Preamble Header (see Section 4.2). 4.2. CAPWAP DTLS Header The CAPWAP DTLS Header is used to identify the packet as a DTLS encrypted packet. The first eight bits includes the common CAPWAP Preamble Header. The remaining 24 bits are padding to ensure 4 byte alignment, and MAY be used in a future version of the protocol. The DTLS packet [8] always immediately follows this header. The format of the CAPWAP DTLS Header is as follows: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |CAPWAP Preamble| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST be set to one (1). Reserved: The 24-bit field is reserved for future use. All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined for the version of the protocol they support. 4.3. CAPWAP Header All CAPWAP protocol messages are encapsulated using a common header format, regardless of the CAPWAP control or CAPWAP Data transport used to carry the messages. However, certain flags are not applicable for a given transport. Refer to the specific transport section in order to determine which flags are valid. Note that the optional fields defined in this section MUST be present in the precise order shown below. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |CAPWAP Preamble| HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Radio MAC Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload .... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST be set to zero (0). If the CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, the version number in both CAPWAP Preamble Headers MUST match. The reason for this duplicate field is to avoid any possible tampering of the version field in the preamble header which is not encrypted or authenticated. HLEN: A 5 bit field containing the length of the CAPWAP transport header in 4 byte words (Similar to IP header length). This length includes the optional headers. RID: A 5 bit field which contains the Radio ID number for this packet. Given that MAC Addresses are not necessarily unique across physical radios in a WTP, the Radio Identifier (RID) field is used to indiciate which physical radio the message is associated with. WBID: A 5 bit field which is the wireless binding identifier. The identifier will indicate the type of wireless packet type associated with the radio. The following values are defined: 1 - IEEE 802.11 2 - IEEE 802.16 3 - EPCGlobal T: The Type 'T' bit indicates the format of the frame being transported in the payload. When this bit is set to one (1), the payload has the native frame format indicated by the WBID field. When this bit is zero (0) the payload is an IEEE 802.3 frame. F: The Fragment 'F' bit indicates whether this packet is a fragment. When this bit is one (1), the packet is a fragment and MUST be combined with the other corresponding fragments to reassemble the complete information exchanged between the WTP and AC. L: The Last 'L' bit is valid only if the 'F' bit is set and indicates whether the packet contains the last fragment of a fragmented exchange between WTP and AC. When this bit is 1, the packet is the last fragment. When this bit is 0, the packet is not the last fragment. W: The Wireless 'W' bit is used to specify whether the optional Wireless Specific Information field is present in the header. A value of one (1) is used to represent the fact that the optional header is present. M: The M bit is used to indicate that the Radio MAC Address optional header is present. This is used to communicate the MAC address of the receiving radio. K: The 'Keep-alive' K bit indicates the packet is a Data Channel Keep Alive packet. This packet is used to map the data channel to the control channel for the specified Session ID and to maintain freshness of the data channel. The K bit MUST NOT be set for data packets containing user data. Flags: A set of reserved bits for future flags in the CAPWAP header. All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined for the version of the protocol they support. Comments please, PatC ________________________________ From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:40 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Closure of Issue 244 Dear WG: Based on the WG response to re-open Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization, this issue will be moved to the active issues database and resolved with the solution proposed in: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html There were some objections to resolve since its late to consider optimizations at this stage of the draft, however most responses were in favor of adding the change. Issue 244 will be reflected in the updates to the CAPWAP drafts during upcoming WGLC. If there are no further comments by Thursday, April 26th, Issue 244 will be moved to the active database and closed as agreed by consensus. Best Regards, Mani, Margaret and Dorothy _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 24 19:43:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgUfG-0007Pi-9b for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:43:18 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgUfF-0000SC-Cl for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:43:18 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1256239FCDA for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099B64A408E for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC524398061 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7293A39801B for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Apr 2007 16:43:04 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,448,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="481161678:sNHT96726834" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3ONh3q0021002; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:43:03 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3ONh3ZT019871; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:43:03 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.124]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:43:03 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:43:02 -0700 Message-ID: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950401A676@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) Thread-Index: AceGEWwGLMYfLIY/R0GWpBRI/JJemwAsur3QAAFh/HAAAANVEA== From: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" To: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2007 23:43:03.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CFE2BB0:01C786CA] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=achoudhu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d11a451997816a91a305dcb5ab1b85dd Some text changes are needed as well: Replace UDP Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP. Section Section 3 defines the specific UDP usage. With UDP/UDP-Lite Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP (for IPv4) or UDP-Lite (for IPv6). Section 3 defines the specific UDP or UDP-Lite usage. Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:03 PM To: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com; capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) Given that, I would like to send the proposed text to the list. Please note that it is nearly identical to Jim's original text, with a couple of very small tweaks, which I believe are necessary given the change in direction. These are all editorial in nature. 4. CAPWAP Packet Formats This section contains the CAPWAP protocol packet formats. A CAPWAP protocol packet consists of one or more CAPWAP Transport Layer packet headers followed by a CAPWAP message. The CAPWAP message can be either of type Control or Data, where Control packets carry signaling, and Data packets carry user payloads. The CAPWAP frame formats for CAPWAP Data packets, and for DTLS encapsulated CAPWAP Data and Control packets are defined below. The CAPWAP Control protocol includes two messages that are never protected by DTLS: the Discovery Request message and the Discovery Response message. These messages need to be in the clear to allow the CAPWAP protocol to properly identify and process them. The format of these packets are as follows: CAPWAP Control Packet (Discovery Request/Response): +-------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | Control | Message | | Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s) | +-------------------------------------------+ All other CAPWAP control protocol messages MUST be protected via the DTLS protocol, which ensures that the packets are both authenticated and encrypted. These packets include the CAPWAP DTLS Header, which is described in Section 4.2. The format of these packets is as follows: CAPWAP Control Packet (DTLS Security Required): +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Control| Message | DTLS | | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s)| Trlr | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ \---------- authenticated -----------/ \------------- encrypted ------------/ The CAPWAP protocol allows optional protection of data packets, using DTLS. Use of data packet protection is determined by AC policy. When DTLS is utilized, the optional CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, which is described in Section 4.2. The format of CAPWAP data packets is shown below: CAPWAP Plain Text Data Packet : +-----------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | CAPWAP | Wireless | | Hdr | Hdr | Preamble| Header | Payload | +-----------------------------------------+ DTLS Secured CAPWAP Data Packet: +--------------------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Wireless | DTLS | | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Hdr | Payload | Trlr | +--------------------------------------------------------+ \------ authenticated -----/ \------- encrypted --------/ UDP Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP. Section Section 3 defines the specific UDP usage. CAPWAP DTLS Header: All DTLS encrypted CAPWAP protocol packets are prefixed with the CAPWAP DTLS header (see Section 4.2). DTLS Header: The DTLS header provides authentication and encrytion services to the CAPWAP payload it encapsulates. This protocol is defined in RFC 4347 [8]. CAPWAP Header: All CAPWAP protocol packets use a common header that immediately follows the CAPWAP preamble or DTLS header. The CAPWAP Header is defined in Section 4.3. Wireless Payload: A CAPWAP protocol packet that contains a wireless payload is a CAPWAP data packet. The CAPWAP protocol does not specify the format of the wireless payload, which is defined by the appropriate wireless standard. Additional information is in Section 4.4. Control Header: The CAPWAP protocol includes a signalling component, known as the CAPWAP control protocol. All CAPWAP control packets include a Control Header, which is defined in Section 4.5.1. CAPWAP data packets do not contain a Control Header field. Message Elements: A CAPWAP Control packet includes one or more message elements, which are found immediately following the Control Header. These message elements are in a Type/Length/value style header, defined in Section 4.6. A CAPWAP implementation MUST be capable of receiving a reassembled CAPWAP message of length 4096 bytes. A CAPWAP implementation MAY indicate that it supports a higher maximum message length, by including the Maximum Message Length message element, see Section 4.6.29 in the Join Request message or the Join Response message. 4.1. CAPWAP Preamble The CAPWAP preamble header common to all CAPWAP transport headers and is used to identify the header type that immediately follows. The reason for this header to is avoid needing to perform byte comparisons in order to guess whether the frame is DTLS encrypted or not. It also provides an extensibility framework that can be used to support additional transport types. The format of the frame is as follows: 0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Version: A 4 bit field which contains the version of CAPWAP used in this packet. The value for this specification is zero (0). Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: 0 - CAPWAP Header. The CAPWAP Header (see Section 4.3) immediately follows the the CAPWAP Preamble Header. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Discovery Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. 1 - CAPWAP DTLS Header. The CAPWAP DTLS Header, and DTLS packet, immediately follows the CAPWAP Preamble Header (see Section 4.2). 4.2. CAPWAP DTLS Header The CAPWAP DTLS Header is used to identify the packet as a DTLS encrypted packet. The first eight bits includes the common CAPWAP Preamble Header. The remaining 24 bits are padding to ensure 4 byte alignment, and MAY be used in a future version of the protocol. The DTLS packet [8] always immediately follows this header. The format of the CAPWAP DTLS Header is as follows: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |CAPWAP Preamble| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST be set to one (1). Reserved: The 24-bit field is reserved for future use. All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined for the version of the protocol they support. 4.3. CAPWAP Header All CAPWAP protocol messages are encapsulated using a common header format, regardless of the CAPWAP control or CAPWAP Data transport used to carry the messages. However, certain flags are not applicable for a given transport. Refer to the specific transport section in order to determine which flags are valid. Note that the optional fields defined in this section MUST be present in the precise order shown below. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |CAPWAP Preamble| HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Radio MAC Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload .... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST be set to zero (0). If the CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, the version number in both CAPWAP Preamble Headers MUST match. The reason for this duplicate field is to avoid any possible tampering of the version field in the preamble header which is not encrypted or authenticated. HLEN: A 5 bit field containing the length of the CAPWAP transport header in 4 byte words (Similar to IP header length). This length includes the optional headers. RID: A 5 bit field which contains the Radio ID number for this packet. Given that MAC Addresses are not necessarily unique across physical radios in a WTP, the Radio Identifier (RID) field is used to indiciate which physical radio the message is associated with. WBID: A 5 bit field which is the wireless binding identifier. The identifier will indicate the type of wireless packet type associated with the radio. The following values are defined: 1 - IEEE 802.11 2 - IEEE 802.16 3 - EPCGlobal T: The Type 'T' bit indicates the format of the frame being transported in the payload. When this bit is set to one (1), the payload has the native frame format indicated by the WBID field. When this bit is zero (0) the payload is an IEEE 802.3 frame. F: The Fragment 'F' bit indicates whether this packet is a fragment. When this bit is one (1), the packet is a fragment and MUST be combined with the other corresponding fragments to reassemble the complete information exchanged between the WTP and AC. L: The Last 'L' bit is valid only if the 'F' bit is set and indicates whether the packet contains the last fragment of a fragmented exchange between WTP and AC. When this bit is 1, the packet is the last fragment. When this bit is 0, the packet is not the last fragment. W: The Wireless 'W' bit is used to specify whether the optional Wireless Specific Information field is present in the header. A value of one (1) is used to represent the fact that the optional header is present. M: The M bit is used to indicate that the Radio MAC Address optional header is present. This is used to communicate the MAC address of the receiving radio. K: The 'Keep-alive' K bit indicates the packet is a Data Channel Keep Alive packet. This packet is used to map the data channel to the control channel for the specified Session ID and to maintain freshness of the data channel. The K bit MUST NOT be set for data packets containing user data. Flags: A set of reserved bits for future flags in the CAPWAP header. All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined for the version of the protocol they support. Comments please, PatC ________________________________ From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:40 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Closure of Issue 244 Dear WG: Based on the WG response to re-open Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization, this issue will be moved to the active issues database and resolved with the solution proposed in: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html There were some objections to resolve since its late to consider optimizations at this stage of the draft, however most responses were in favor of adding the change. Issue 244 will be reflected in the updates to the CAPWAP drafts during upcoming WGLC. If there are no further comments by Thursday, April 26th, Issue 244 will be moved to the active database and closed as agreed by consensus. Best Regards, Mani, Margaret and Dorothy _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 24 20:09:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgV4W-0007jH-89 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:09:24 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgV4U-0004O9-B0 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:09:24 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB333980D6 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707D74A40E8 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E638398023 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E1F39801E for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Apr 2007 17:08:44 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,448,1170662400"; d="txt'?scan'208"; a="481167151:sNHT68728795634" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3P08gga023376 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:08:42 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3P08gZT002684 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:08:42 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:08:42 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C786CD.E2107D6B" Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:08:40 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203A28A87@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Issue 258: DHCP Option Under-Specified Thread-Index: AceGzeEp83eLNVEOSka4VrFTPXtsQA== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2007 00:08:42.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2256E30:01C786CD] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue 258: DHCP Option Under-Specified X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7c1a129dc3801d79d40c5ca8dee767eb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C786CD.E2107D6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please find below the actual text that is being proposed to resolve this issue. Note that a separate Internet Draft (attached) is being submitted which describes the actual DHCP option. =20 3.3. AC Discovery [...] DHCP: See [13] for more information on the use of DHCP to discover AC IP addresses. =20 16.1. 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X-Scan-Signature: f1405b5eaa25d745f8c52e3273d3af78 Pat, One minor comment in line... Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > Given that, I would like to send the proposed text to the list. Please > note that it is nearly identical to Jim's original text, with a couple > of very small tweaks, which I believe are necessary given the change in > direction. These are all editorial in nature. > > > 4. CAPWAP Packet Formats > > This section contains the CAPWAP protocol packet formats. A CAPWAP > protocol packet consists of one or more CAPWAP Transport Layer packet > headers followed by a CAPWAP message. The CAPWAP message can be > either of type Control or Data, where Control packets carry > signaling, and Data packets carry user payloads. The CAPWAP frame > formats for CAPWAP Data packets, and for DTLS encapsulated CAPWAP > Data and Control packets are defined below. > > The CAPWAP Control protocol includes two messages that are never > protected by DTLS: the Discovery Request message and the Discovery > Response message. These messages need to be in the clear to allow > the CAPWAP protocol to properly identify and process them. The > format of these packets are as follows: > > CAPWAP Control Packet (Discovery Request/Response): > +-------------------------------------------+ > | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | Control | Message | > | Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s) | > +-------------------------------------------+ > > All other CAPWAP control protocol messages MUST be protected via the > DTLS protocol, which ensures that the packets are both authenticated > and encrypted. These packets include the CAPWAP DTLS Header, which > is described in Section 4.2. The format of these packets is as > follows: > > CAPWAP Control Packet (DTLS Security Required): > +------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Control| Message | DTLS | > | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s)| Trlr | > +------------------------------------------------------------------+ > \---------- authenticated -----------/ > \------------- encrypted ------------/ > > The CAPWAP protocol allows optional protection of data packets, using > DTLS. Use of data packet protection is determined by AC policy. > When DTLS is utilized, the optional CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, > which is described in Section 4.2. The format of CAPWAP data packets > is shown below: > You can remove the "CAPWAP Preamble" box from the following diagram as it is implicit in the CAPWAP header. Also, this header structure should be the same as the non-DTLS structure for control packets shown above. > CAPWAP Plain Text Data Packet : > +-----------------------------------------+ > | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | CAPWAP | Wireless | > | Hdr | Hdr | Preamble| Header | Payload | > +-----------------------------------------+ > > DTLS Secured CAPWAP Data Packet: > +--------------------------------------------------------+ > | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Wireless | DTLS | > | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Hdr | Payload | Trlr | > +--------------------------------------------------------+ > \------ authenticated -----/ > \------- encrypted --------/ > > UDP Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP. Section > Section 3 defines the specific UDP usage. > > CAPWAP DTLS Header: All DTLS encrypted CAPWAP protocol packets are > prefixed with the CAPWAP DTLS header (see Section 4.2). > > DTLS Header: The DTLS header provides authentication and encrytion > services to the CAPWAP payload it encapsulates. This protocol is > defined in RFC 4347 [8]. > > CAPWAP Header: All CAPWAP protocol packets use a common header that > immediately follows the CAPWAP preamble or DTLS header. The > CAPWAP Header is defined in Section 4.3. > > Wireless Payload: A CAPWAP protocol packet that contains a wireless > payload is a CAPWAP data packet. The CAPWAP protocol does not > specify the format of the wireless payload, which is defined by > the appropriate wireless standard. Additional information is in > Section 4.4. > > Control Header: The CAPWAP protocol includes a signalling component, > known as the CAPWAP control protocol. All CAPWAP control packets > include a Control Header, which is defined in Section 4.5.1. > CAPWAP data packets do not contain a Control Header field. > > Message Elements: A CAPWAP Control packet includes one or more > message elements, which are found immediately following the > Control Header. These message elements are in a Type/Length/value > style header, defined in Section 4.6. > > A CAPWAP implementation MUST be capable of receiving a reassembled > CAPWAP message of length 4096 bytes. A CAPWAP implementation MAY > indicate that it supports a higher maximum message length, by > including the Maximum Message Length message element, see > Section 4.6.29 in the Join Request message or the Join Response > message. > > 4.1. CAPWAP Preamble > > The CAPWAP preamble header common to all CAPWAP transport headers and > is used to identify the header type that immediately follows. The > reason for this header to is avoid needing to perform byte > comparisons in order to guess whether the frame is DTLS encrypted or > not. It also provides an extensibility framework that can be used to > support additional transport types. The format of the frame is as > follows: > > 0 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |Version| Type | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Version: A 4 bit field which contains the version of CAPWAP used in > this packet. The value for this specification is zero (0). > > Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that > follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: > > 0 - CAPWAP Header. The CAPWAP Header (see Section 4.3) > immediately follows the the CAPWAP Preamble Header. If the > packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack > MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If > received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST > treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the > control packet is not a Discovery Request or Discovery Response > packet, the packet MUST be dropped. > > 1 - CAPWAP DTLS Header. The CAPWAP DTLS Header, and DTLS packet, > immediately follows the CAPWAP Preamble Header (see > Section 4.2). > > 4.2. CAPWAP DTLS Header > > The CAPWAP DTLS Header is used to identify the packet as a DTLS > encrypted packet. The first eight bits includes the common CAPWAP > Preamble Header. The remaining 24 bits are padding to ensure 4 byte > alignment, and MAY be used in a future version of the protocol. The > DTLS packet [8] always immediately follows this header. The format > of the CAPWAP DTLS Header is as follows: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |CAPWAP Preamble| Reserved | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in > Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST > be set to one (1). > > Reserved: The 24-bit field is reserved for future use. All > implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any > bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by > that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined > for the version of the protocol they support. > > 4.3. CAPWAP Header > > All CAPWAP protocol messages are encapsulated using a common header > format, regardless of the CAPWAP control or CAPWAP Data transport > used to carry the messages. However, certain flags are not > applicable for a given transport. Refer to the specific transport > section in order to determine which flags are valid. > > Note that the optional fields defined in this section MUST be present > in the precise order shown below. > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |CAPWAP Preamble| HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | (optional) Radio MAC Address | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Payload .... | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in > Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST > be set to zero (0). If the CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, the > version number in both CAPWAP Preamble Headers MUST match. The > reason for this duplicate field is to avoid any possible tampering > of the version field in the preamble header which is not encrypted > or authenticated. > > HLEN: A 5 bit field containing the length of the CAPWAP transport > header in 4 byte words (Similar to IP header length). This length > includes the optional headers. > > RID: A 5 bit field which contains the Radio ID number for this > packet. Given that MAC Addresses are not necessarily unique > across physical radios in a WTP, the Radio Identifier (RID) field > is used to indiciate which physical radio the message is > associated with. > > WBID: A 5 bit field which is the wireless binding identifier. The > identifier will indicate the type of wireless packet type > associated with the radio. The following values are defined: > > 1 - IEEE 802.11 > > 2 - IEEE 802.16 > > 3 - EPCGlobal > > T: The Type 'T' bit indicates the format of the frame being > transported in the payload. When this bit is set to one (1), the > payload has the native frame format indicated by the WBID field. > When this bit is zero (0) the payload is an IEEE 802.3 frame. > > F: The Fragment 'F' bit indicates whether this packet is a fragment. > When this bit is one (1), the packet is a fragment and MUST be > combined with the other corresponding fragments to reassemble the > complete information exchanged between the WTP and AC. > > L: The Last 'L' bit is valid only if the 'F' bit is set and indicates > whether the packet contains the last fragment of a fragmented > exchange between WTP and AC. When this bit is 1, the packet is > the last fragment. When this bit is 0, the packet is not the last > fragment. > > W: The Wireless 'W' bit is used to specify whether the optional > Wireless Specific Information field is present in the header. A > value of one (1) is used to represent the fact that the optional > header is present. > > M: The M bit is used to indicate that the Radio MAC Address optional > header is present. This is used to communicate the MAC address of > the receiving radio. > > K: The 'Keep-alive' K bit indicates the packet is a Data Channel Keep > Alive packet. This packet is used to map the data channel to the > control channel for the specified Session ID and to maintain > freshness of the data channel. The K bit MUST NOT be set for data > packets containing user data. > > Flags: A set of reserved bits for future flags in the CAPWAP header. > All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero > any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol > supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits > not defined for the version of the protocol they support. > > > Comments please, > > PatC > ________________________________ > > From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:40 PM > To: capwap@frascone.com > Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net > Subject: [Capwap] Closure of Issue 244 > > > > Dear WG: > > Based on the WG response to re-open Issue 244: Preamble Header > Optimization, this issue will be moved to the active issues database and > resolved with the solution proposed in: > http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html > > > There were some objections to resolve since its late to consider > optimizations at this stage of the draft, however most responses were in > favor of adding the change. > > Issue 244 will be reflected in the updates to the CAPWAP drafts during > upcoming WGLC. > > If there are no further comments by Thursday, April 26th, Issue 244 will > be moved to the active database and closed as agreed by consensus. > > > Best Regards, > Mani, Margaret and Dorothy > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 24 20:23:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgVIW-0001O2-Ib for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:23:52 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgVIV-0007Ru-GK for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:23:52 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF9C3A5A9B for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F48E4A40E8 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693AC39803D for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trpz.com (ssh.trpz.com [66.7.225.38]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C252F39800F for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([172.21.20.126]) by trpz.com (8.13.5/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l3P0NBca023052; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:12 -0700 Message-ID: <462E9F6D.4060400@trapezenetworks.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:09 -0700 From: Jim Murphy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203A289FB@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> <462E9D45.2000406@trapezenetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <462E9D45.2000406@trapezenetworks.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, capwap@frascone.com, Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com, rbonica@juniper.net Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4bb0e9e1ca9d18125bc841b2d8d77e24 See clarification in line... Jim Murphy wrote: > Pat, > > One minor comment in line... > > Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: >> Given that, I would like to send the proposed text to the list. Please >> note that it is nearly identical to Jim's original text, with a couple >> of very small tweaks, which I believe are necessary given the change in >> direction. These are all editorial in nature. >> >> >> 4. CAPWAP Packet Formats >> >> This section contains the CAPWAP protocol packet formats. A CAPWAP >> protocol packet consists of one or more CAPWAP Transport Layer packet >> headers followed by a CAPWAP message. The CAPWAP message can be >> either of type Control or Data, where Control packets carry >> signaling, and Data packets carry user payloads. The CAPWAP frame >> formats for CAPWAP Data packets, and for DTLS encapsulated CAPWAP >> Data and Control packets are defined below. >> >> The CAPWAP Control protocol includes two messages that are never >> protected by DTLS: the Discovery Request message and the Discovery >> Response message. These messages need to be in the clear to allow >> the CAPWAP protocol to properly identify and process them. The >> format of these packets are as follows: >> >> CAPWAP Control Packet (Discovery Request/Response): >> +-------------------------------------------+ >> | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | Control | Message | >> | Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s) | >> +-------------------------------------------+ >> >> All other CAPWAP control protocol messages MUST be protected via the >> DTLS protocol, which ensures that the packets are both authenticated >> and encrypted. These packets include the CAPWAP DTLS Header, which >> is described in Section 4.2. The format of these packets is as >> follows: >> >> CAPWAP Control Packet (DTLS Security Required): >> +------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Control| Message | DTLS | >> | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s)| Trlr | >> +------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> \---------- authenticated -----------/ >> \------------- encrypted ------------/ >> >> The CAPWAP protocol allows optional protection of data packets, using >> DTLS. Use of data packet protection is determined by AC policy. >> When DTLS is utilized, the optional CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, >> which is described in Section 4.2. The format of CAPWAP data packets >> is shown below: >> > > You can remove the "CAPWAP Preamble" box from the following > diagram as it is implicit in the CAPWAP header. Also, this > header structure should be the same as the non-DTLS structure > for control packets shown above. Clarification: control and data are the same up to the "CAPWAP Header" element. Thanks, Jim > >> CAPWAP Plain Text Data Packet : >> +-----------------------------------------+ >> | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | CAPWAP | Wireless | >> | Hdr | Hdr | Preamble| Header | Payload | >> +-----------------------------------------+ >> >> DTLS Secured CAPWAP Data Packet: >> +--------------------------------------------------------+ >> | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Wireless | DTLS | >> | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Hdr | Payload | Trlr | >> +--------------------------------------------------------+ >> \------ authenticated -----/ >> \------- encrypted --------/ >> >> UDP Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP. Section >> Section 3 defines the specific UDP usage. >> >> CAPWAP DTLS Header: All DTLS encrypted CAPWAP protocol packets are >> prefixed with the CAPWAP DTLS header (see Section 4.2). >> >> DTLS Header: The DTLS header provides authentication and encrytion >> services to the CAPWAP payload it encapsulates. This protocol is >> defined in RFC 4347 [8]. >> >> CAPWAP Header: All CAPWAP protocol packets use a common header that >> immediately follows the CAPWAP preamble or DTLS header. The >> CAPWAP Header is defined in Section 4.3. >> >> Wireless Payload: A CAPWAP protocol packet that contains a wireless >> payload is a CAPWAP data packet. The CAPWAP protocol does not >> specify the format of the wireless payload, which is defined by >> the appropriate wireless standard. Additional information is in >> Section 4.4. >> >> Control Header: The CAPWAP protocol includes a signalling component, >> known as the CAPWAP control protocol. All CAPWAP control packets >> include a Control Header, which is defined in Section 4.5.1. >> CAPWAP data packets do not contain a Control Header field. >> >> Message Elements: A CAPWAP Control packet includes one or more >> message elements, which are found immediately following the >> Control Header. These message elements are in a Type/Length/value >> style header, defined in Section 4.6. >> >> A CAPWAP implementation MUST be capable of receiving a reassembled >> CAPWAP message of length 4096 bytes. A CAPWAP implementation MAY >> indicate that it supports a higher maximum message length, by >> including the Maximum Message Length message element, see >> Section 4.6.29 in the Join Request message or the Join Response >> message. >> >> 4.1. CAPWAP Preamble >> >> The CAPWAP preamble header common to all CAPWAP transport headers and >> is used to identify the header type that immediately follows. The >> reason for this header to is avoid needing to perform byte >> comparisons in order to guess whether the frame is DTLS encrypted or >> not. It also provides an extensibility framework that can be used to >> support additional transport types. The format of the frame is as >> follows: >> >> 0 >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> |Version| Type | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >> Version: A 4 bit field which contains the version of CAPWAP used in >> this packet. The value for this specification is zero (0). >> >> Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that >> follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: >> >> 0 - CAPWAP Header. The CAPWAP Header (see Section 4.3) >> immediately follows the the CAPWAP Preamble Header. If the >> packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack >> MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If >> received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST >> treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the >> control packet is not a Discovery Request or Discovery Response >> packet, the packet MUST be dropped. >> >> 1 - CAPWAP DTLS Header. The CAPWAP DTLS Header, and DTLS packet, >> immediately follows the CAPWAP Preamble Header (see >> Section 4.2). >> >> 4.2. CAPWAP DTLS Header >> >> The CAPWAP DTLS Header is used to identify the packet as a DTLS >> encrypted packet. The first eight bits includes the common CAPWAP >> Preamble Header. The remaining 24 bits are padding to ensure 4 byte >> alignment, and MAY be used in a future version of the protocol. The >> DTLS packet [8] always immediately follows this header. The format >> of the CAPWAP DTLS Header is as follows: >> >> 0 1 2 3 >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> |CAPWAP Preamble| Reserved | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >> CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in >> Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST >> be set to one (1). >> >> Reserved: The 24-bit field is reserved for future use. All >> implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any >> bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by >> that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined >> for the version of the protocol they support. >> >> 4.3. CAPWAP Header >> >> All CAPWAP protocol messages are encapsulated using a common header >> format, regardless of the CAPWAP control or CAPWAP Data transport >> used to carry the messages. However, certain flags are not >> applicable for a given transport. Refer to the specific transport >> section in order to determine which flags are valid. >> >> Note that the optional fields defined in this section MUST be present >> in the precise order shown below. >> >> 0 1 2 3 >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> |CAPWAP Preamble| HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | (optional) Radio MAC Address | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> | Payload .... | >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >> CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in >> Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST >> be set to zero (0). If the CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, the >> version number in both CAPWAP Preamble Headers MUST match. The >> reason for this duplicate field is to avoid any possible tampering >> of the version field in the preamble header which is not encrypted >> or authenticated. >> >> HLEN: A 5 bit field containing the length of the CAPWAP transport >> header in 4 byte words (Similar to IP header length). This length >> includes the optional headers. >> >> RID: A 5 bit field which contains the Radio ID number for this >> packet. Given that MAC Addresses are not necessarily unique >> across physical radios in a WTP, the Radio Identifier (RID) field >> is used to indiciate which physical radio the message is >> associated with. >> >> WBID: A 5 bit field which is the wireless binding identifier. The >> identifier will indicate the type of wireless packet type >> associated with the radio. The following values are defined: >> >> 1 - IEEE 802.11 >> >> 2 - IEEE 802.16 >> >> 3 - EPCGlobal >> >> T: The Type 'T' bit indicates the format of the frame being >> transported in the payload. When this bit is set to one (1), the >> payload has the native frame format indicated by the WBID field. >> When this bit is zero (0) the payload is an IEEE 802.3 frame. >> >> F: The Fragment 'F' bit indicates whether this packet is a fragment. >> When this bit is one (1), the packet is a fragment and MUST be >> combined with the other corresponding fragments to reassemble the >> complete information exchanged between the WTP and AC. >> >> L: The Last 'L' bit is valid only if the 'F' bit is set and indicates >> whether the packet contains the last fragment of a fragmented >> exchange between WTP and AC. When this bit is 1, the packet is >> the last fragment. When this bit is 0, the packet is not the last >> fragment. >> >> W: The Wireless 'W' bit is used to specify whether the optional >> Wireless Specific Information field is present in the header. A >> value of one (1) is used to represent the fact that the optional >> header is present. >> >> M: The M bit is used to indicate that the Radio MAC Address optional >> header is present. This is used to communicate the MAC address of >> the receiving radio. >> >> K: The 'Keep-alive' K bit indicates the packet is a Data Channel Keep >> Alive packet. This packet is used to map the data channel to the >> control channel for the specified Session ID and to maintain >> freshness of the data channel. The K bit MUST NOT be set for data >> packets containing user data. >> >> Flags: A set of reserved bits for future flags in the CAPWAP header. >> All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero >> any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol >> supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits >> not defined for the version of the protocol they support. >> >> >> Comments please, >> >> PatC >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:40 PM >> To: capwap@frascone.com >> Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net >> Subject: [Capwap] Closure of Issue 244 >> >> >> >> Dear WG: >> >> Based on the WG response to re-open Issue 244: Preamble Header >> Optimization, this issue will be moved to the active issues database and >> resolved with the solution proposed in: >> http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html >> >> >> There were some objections to resolve since its late to consider >> optimizations at this stage of the draft, however most responses were in >> favor of adding the change. >> >> Issue 244 will be reflected in the updates to the CAPWAP drafts during >> upcoming WGLC. >> >> If there are no further comments by Thursday, April 26th, Issue 244 will >> be moved to the active database and closed as agreed by consensus. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> Mani, Margaret and Dorothy >> _________________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: >> http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap >> >> Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Tue Apr 24 22:26:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgXCw-0008TO-Cy for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Below is the proposed text for Issue 254, which has been updated based on feedback on the list. =20 Thanks, Abhijit =20 -------------------------PROPOSED TEXT--------------------------------------- =20 1. Add the following to Terminology (Section 1.4) =20 CAPWAP Control Channel: A bi-directional flow defined by AC's IP-Addr,=20 WTP's IP-Addr, IP protocol, AC's control port and WTP's control port,=20 over which CAPWAP control packets are sent.=20 =20 CAPWAP Data Channel: A bi-directional flow defined by IP-Addr,=20 WTP's IP-Addr, IP protocol, AC's data port and WTP's data port,=20 over which CAPWAP data packets are sent.=20 =20 2. In Section 3.1 Replace CAPWAP protocol control packets sent between the WTP and the AC use well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent between the WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be IANA assigned]. With CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4. The CAPWAP=20 control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned]=20 while the control port at the WTP can be any port selected by the=20 implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from=20 the WTP to the AC use the CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4. =20 The CAPWAP data port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA=20 assigned], while the data port at the WTP can be any port selected by=20 the implementation at the WTP. In either case, for packets sent by the=20 AC to the WTP, the source and destination ports are reversed. 3. In Section 4.1 Replace Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the data UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the control UDP port, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 With Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: =20 0 - Clear text. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. =20 1 - DTLS Payload. The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a data or control packet, based on the channel it was received on (see Section 3.1). =20 =20 4. In Section 4.3 Replace Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel UDP port. 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Below is the proposed text for Issue 254, = which has=20 been updated based
on feedback on the list.
 
Thanks,
Abhijit
 
-------------------------PROPOSED=20 TEXT---------------------------------------
 
1. Add = the following=20 to Terminology (Section 1.4)

 

      CAPWAP Control=20 Channel:  A bi-directional flow defined by AC's IP-Addr,=20

       WTP's=20 IP-Addr, IP protocol, = AC’s=20 control port=20 and WTP's control port,

      =20 over which CAPWAP control packets are sent. 

 

       CAPWAP Data = Channel:  A=20 bi-directional flow defined by IP-Addr,

       WTP's=20 IP-Addr,  IP = protocol,=20 AC’s data port=20 and WTP's data port,

      =20 over which CAPWAP data packets are sent. 

 

2. In Section=20 3.1

    = Replace

        CAPWAP = protocol=20 control packets sent between the WTP and the AC=20 use
        well known UDP = port [to=20 be IANA assigned].  CAPWAP protocol=20 data
        packets sent = between the=20 WTP and the AC use UDP port [to be=20 IANA
        assigned].
   =20 With
         CAPWAP protocol = control=20 packets sent from the WTP to the AC use

         = the CAPWAP control channel,=20 as defined in Section = 1.4.  The CAPWAP 
       =20  control port at the AC is the well known UDP = port [to be=20 IANA assigned] 
       =20  while the control port at the WTP can=20 be any port selected by the 
       =20  implementation at the WTP. CAPWAP protocol=20 data packets sent from 
       =20  the WTP to the AC use the CAPWAP data = channel, as defined in Section=20 1.4.  
       =   The CAPWAP data port at the AC = is the well=20 known UDP=20 port [to be IANA 
       =20  assigned], while the data port at the WTP can be any port selected=20 by 
       =20  the implementation at the = WTP. In either=20 case, for=20 packets sent by the 
       =20  AC to the WTP, the source and destination=20 ports are=20 reversed.


3. In Section=20 4.1

   =20 Replace

         Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:

 

         =20 0 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the data UDP=20 port,
          &nbs= p; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the control UDP port, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.

 

         =20 1 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the UDP port it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).

 

    = With

         Payload=20 Type:  A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type=20 that
          follows = the=20 preamble header.  The following values are = supported:

 

         =20 0 -  Clear text.  If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data = channel,
          &= nbsp; =20 the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 data packet.  If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the=20 CAPWAP
          &nb= sp; =20 stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP=20 control
          &n= bsp; =20 packet.  If the control packet is not a Discovery Request=20 or
           &= nbsp;=20 Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped.

 

         =20 1 -  DTLS Payload.  The packet is a DTLS packet and MAY be a=20 data
           = ; =20 or control packet, based on the channel it was received=20 on
           &= nbsp;=20 (see Section 3.1).

 

 

4. In Section=20 4.3

   Replace

     =20 Both CAPWAP data messages are transmitted on the data channel=20 UDP port.

  =20 With

       Both = CAPWAP=20 data messages are transmitted on the data channel.
 

 
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<4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203A28A87@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> References: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203A28A87@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <12076949-EF53-43DA-AAD9-E8DB6B1C14D1@thingmagic.com> From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:15:55 -0400 To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: capwap , Ralph Droms Subject: Re: [Capwap] Issue 258: DHCP Option Under-Specified X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 This seems like the right approach to me. Thanks, Pat. Margaret On Apr 24, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) wrote: > Please find below the actual text that is being proposed to resolve > this > issue. Note that a separate Internet Draft (attached) is being > submitted > which describes the actual DHCP option. > > > 3.3. AC Discovery > [...] > DHCP: See [13] for more information on the use of DHCP to discover > AC IP addresses. > > 16.1. Normative References > [13] "draft-calhoun-dhc-capwap-ac-option-00". > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap > > Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 25 11:51:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgjmV-0007bA-At for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:51:47 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HgjmS-0002LX-W9 for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:51:47 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9213A5C45 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FA24A40B4 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6AE4317D8 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4174317D7 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Apr 2007 08:51:30 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,451,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="481370488:sNHT114168408" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3PFpTTh030985; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:51:29 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3PFpTMF023812; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:51:29 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:51:28 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:51:28 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203A28BED@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <0A7D7D6BC1EEF6489C3D0AE1B6B161950401A676@xmb-sjc-223.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) Thread-Index: AceGEWwGLMYfLIY/R0GWpBRI/JJemwAsur3QAAFh/HAAAANVEAAh4HQg From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: "Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2007 15:51:28.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[9676FE70:01C78751] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at tigertech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on hermes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 tagged_above=-999.0 required=7.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com, rbonica@juniper.net Subject: Re: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 731ea0e9f5725b67e634db1918f3b951 Would there be any objections to not changing the figure, but including the following text? The issue is living within the 74 character limit, which is a challenge with ASCII artwork. I could add the '*' as proposed by Abhijit, but it is clumsy. UDP Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within either UDP, or UDP-Lite when used over IPv6. Section Section 3 defines the specific UDP or UDP-Lite usage. PatC -----Original Message----- From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:43 PM To: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou); Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com; capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: RE: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) Some text changes are needed as well: Replace UDP Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP. Section Section 3 defines the specific UDP usage. With UDP/UDP-Lite Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP (for IPv4) or UDP-Lite (for IPv6). Section 3 defines the specific UDP or UDP-Lite usage. Thanks, Abhijit -----Original Message----- From: Pat Calhoun (pacalhou) Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:03 PM To: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com; capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Proposed Text for Issue 244 (was: Closure of Issue 244) Given that, I would like to send the proposed text to the list. Please note that it is nearly identical to Jim's original text, with a couple of very small tweaks, which I believe are necessary given the change in direction. These are all editorial in nature. 4. CAPWAP Packet Formats This section contains the CAPWAP protocol packet formats. A CAPWAP protocol packet consists of one or more CAPWAP Transport Layer packet headers followed by a CAPWAP message. The CAPWAP message can be either of type Control or Data, where Control packets carry signaling, and Data packets carry user payloads. The CAPWAP frame formats for CAPWAP Data packets, and for DTLS encapsulated CAPWAP Data and Control packets are defined below. The CAPWAP Control protocol includes two messages that are never protected by DTLS: the Discovery Request message and the Discovery Response message. These messages need to be in the clear to allow the CAPWAP protocol to properly identify and process them. The format of these packets are as follows: CAPWAP Control Packet (Discovery Request/Response): +-------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | Control | Message | | Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s) | +-------------------------------------------+ All other CAPWAP control protocol messages MUST be protected via the DTLS protocol, which ensures that the packets are both authenticated and encrypted. These packets include the CAPWAP DTLS Header, which is described in Section 4.2. The format of these packets is as follows: CAPWAP Control Packet (DTLS Security Required): +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Control| Message | DTLS | | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Header | Header | Element(s)| Trlr | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ \---------- authenticated -----------/ \------------- encrypted ------------/ The CAPWAP protocol allows optional protection of data packets, using DTLS. Use of data packet protection is determined by AC policy. When DTLS is utilized, the optional CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, which is described in Section 4.2. The format of CAPWAP data packets is shown below: CAPWAP Plain Text Data Packet : +-----------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | CAPWAP | Wireless | | Hdr | Hdr | Preamble| Header | Payload | +-----------------------------------------+ DTLS Secured CAPWAP Data Packet: +--------------------------------------------------------+ | IP | UDP | CAPWAP | DTLS | CAPWAP | Wireless | DTLS | | Hdr | Hdr | DTLS Hdr | Hdr | Hdr | Payload | Trlr | +--------------------------------------------------------+ \------ authenticated -----/ \------- encrypted --------/ UDP Header: All CAPWAP packets are encapsulated within UDP. Section Section 3 defines the specific UDP usage. CAPWAP DTLS Header: All DTLS encrypted CAPWAP protocol packets are prefixed with the CAPWAP DTLS header (see Section 4.2). DTLS Header: The DTLS header provides authentication and encrytion services to the CAPWAP payload it encapsulates. This protocol is defined in RFC 4347 [8]. CAPWAP Header: All CAPWAP protocol packets use a common header that immediately follows the CAPWAP preamble or DTLS header. The CAPWAP Header is defined in Section 4.3. Wireless Payload: A CAPWAP protocol packet that contains a wireless payload is a CAPWAP data packet. The CAPWAP protocol does not specify the format of the wireless payload, which is defined by the appropriate wireless standard. Additional information is in Section 4.4. Control Header: The CAPWAP protocol includes a signalling component, known as the CAPWAP control protocol. All CAPWAP control packets include a Control Header, which is defined in Section 4.5.1. CAPWAP data packets do not contain a Control Header field. Message Elements: A CAPWAP Control packet includes one or more message elements, which are found immediately following the Control Header. These message elements are in a Type/Length/value style header, defined in Section 4.6. A CAPWAP implementation MUST be capable of receiving a reassembled CAPWAP message of length 4096 bytes. A CAPWAP implementation MAY indicate that it supports a higher maximum message length, by including the Maximum Message Length message element, see Section 4.6.29 in the Join Request message or the Join Response message. 4.1. CAPWAP Preamble The CAPWAP preamble header common to all CAPWAP transport headers and is used to identify the header type that immediately follows. The reason for this header to is avoid needing to perform byte comparisons in order to guess whether the frame is DTLS encrypted or not. It also provides an extensibility framework that can be used to support additional transport types. The format of the frame is as follows: 0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Version| Type | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Version: A 4 bit field which contains the version of CAPWAP used in this packet. The value for this specification is zero (0). Payload Type: A 4 bit field which specifies the payload type that follows the preamble header. The following values are supported: 0 - CAPWAP Header. The CAPWAP Header (see Section 4.3) immediately follows the the CAPWAP Preamble Header. If the packet is received on the CAPWAP data channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP data packet. If received on the CAPWAP control channel, the CAPWAP stack MUST treat the packet as a clear text CAPWAP control packet. If the control packet is not a Discovery Request or Discovery Response packet, the packet MUST be dropped. 1 - CAPWAP DTLS Header. The CAPWAP DTLS Header, and DTLS packet, immediately follows the CAPWAP Preamble Header (see Section 4.2). 4.2. CAPWAP DTLS Header The CAPWAP DTLS Header is used to identify the packet as a DTLS encrypted packet. The first eight bits includes the common CAPWAP Preamble Header. The remaining 24 bits are padding to ensure 4 byte alignment, and MAY be used in a future version of the protocol. The DTLS packet [8] always immediately follows this header. The format of the CAPWAP DTLS Header is as follows: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |CAPWAP Preamble| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST be set to one (1). Reserved: The 24-bit field is reserved for future use. All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined for the version of the protocol they support. 4.3. CAPWAP Header All CAPWAP protocol messages are encapsulated using a common header format, regardless of the CAPWAP control or CAPWAP Data transport used to carry the messages. However, certain flags are not applicable for a given transport. Refer to the specific transport section in order to determine which flags are valid. Note that the optional fields defined in this section MUST be present in the precise order shown below. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |CAPWAP Preamble| HLEN | RID | WBID |T|F|L|W|M|K|Flags | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Fragment ID | Frag Offset |Rsvd | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Radio MAC Address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | (optional) Wireless Specific Information | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload .... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CAPWAP Preamble: The CAPWAP Preamble header is defined in Section 4.1. The CAPWAP Preamble Header's Payload Type field MUST be set to zero (0). If the CAPWAP DTLS Header is present, the version number in both CAPWAP Preamble Headers MUST match. The reason for this duplicate field is to avoid any possible tampering of the version field in the preamble header which is not encrypted or authenticated. HLEN: A 5 bit field containing the length of the CAPWAP transport header in 4 byte words (Similar to IP header length). This length includes the optional headers. RID: A 5 bit field which contains the Radio ID number for this packet. Given that MAC Addresses are not necessarily unique across physical radios in a WTP, the Radio Identifier (RID) field is used to indiciate which physical radio the message is associated with. WBID: A 5 bit field which is the wireless binding identifier. The identifier will indicate the type of wireless packet type associated with the radio. The following values are defined: 1 - IEEE 802.11 2 - IEEE 802.16 3 - EPCGlobal T: The Type 'T' bit indicates the format of the frame being transported in the payload. When this bit is set to one (1), the payload has the native frame format indicated by the WBID field. When this bit is zero (0) the payload is an IEEE 802.3 frame. F: The Fragment 'F' bit indicates whether this packet is a fragment. When this bit is one (1), the packet is a fragment and MUST be combined with the other corresponding fragments to reassemble the complete information exchanged between the WTP and AC. L: The Last 'L' bit is valid only if the 'F' bit is set and indicates whether the packet contains the last fragment of a fragmented exchange between WTP and AC. When this bit is 1, the packet is the last fragment. When this bit is 0, the packet is not the last fragment. W: The Wireless 'W' bit is used to specify whether the optional Wireless Specific Information field is present in the header. A value of one (1) is used to represent the fact that the optional header is present. M: The M bit is used to indicate that the Radio MAC Address optional header is present. This is used to communicate the MAC address of the receiving radio. K: The 'Keep-alive' K bit indicates the packet is a Data Channel Keep Alive packet. This packet is used to map the data channel to the control channel for the specified Session ID and to maintain freshness of the data channel. The K bit MUST NOT be set for data packets containing user data. Flags: A set of reserved bits for future flags in the CAPWAP header. All implementations complying with this protocol MUST set to zero any bits that are reserved in the version of the protocol supported by that implementation. Receivers MUST ignore all bits not defined for the version of the protocol they support. Comments please, PatC ________________________________ From: Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com [mailto:Dorothy.Gellert@nokia.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:40 PM To: capwap@frascone.com Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; rbonica@juniper.net Subject: [Capwap] Closure of Issue 244 Dear WG: Based on the WG response to re-open Issue 244: Preamble Header Optimization, this issue will be moved to the active issues database and resolved with the solution proposed in: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap/msg04161.html There were some objections to resolve since its late to consider optimizations at this stage of the draft, however most responses were in favor of adding the change. Issue 244 will be reflected in the updates to the CAPWAP drafts during upcoming WGLC. If there are no further comments by Thursday, April 26th, Issue 244 will be moved to the active database and closed as agreed by consensus. Best Regards, Mani, Margaret and Dorothy _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Wed Apr 25 12:06:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hgk0p-0006OV-Cv for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:06:35 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hgk0n-0005Wd-Uk for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:06:35 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01FD3A5C42 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517D54A40B4 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3312A398027 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8665F398816 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Apr 2007 09:06:26 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,451,1170662400"; d="scan'208"; a="770711824:sNHT53981012" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l3PG6QnD032318 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:06:26 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l3PG6PMH005876 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:06:26 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com ([128.107.191.85]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:06:25 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:06:25 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF84B0BC277FF45AA27FE969DD956A203A28C04@xmb-sjc-235.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Issue 259: WBI Registry Missing from IANA Considerations Thread-Index: AceHU6yfCtTR1cSqRrC2UsbMcG9aWw== From: "Pat Calhoun (pacalhou)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2007 16:06:25.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD026880:01C78753] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=pcalhoun@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Capwap] Issue 259: WBI Registry Missing from IANA Considerations X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 All, Please see the following text to address this specific issue. I also noted that in adding section 14.2 that the first section did not provide guidance on the action type required for the assignment of a message type. I have therefore added some text and included it here for review. 14.1. CAPWAP Message Types The Message Type field in the CAPWAP header (Section 4.5.1.1) is used to identify the operation performed by the message. There are multiple namespaces, which is identified via the first three octets of the field containing the IANA Enterprise Number [10]. When the Enterprise Number is set to zero, the message types are reserved for use by the base CAPWAP specification which are controlled and maintained by IANA and requires a Standards Action. 14.2. Wireless Binding Identifiers The Wireless Binding Identifier (WBID) field in the CAPWAP header (Section 4.3) is used to identify the wireless technology associated with the packet. Due to the limited address space available, a new WBID request requires Standards Action. 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capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 26 14:28:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hh8hu-0007lH-BB for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:28:42 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hh8hr-0003sU-6Y for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:28:41 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1153A5ABB for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.tigertech.net (mx1.tigertech.net [64.62.209.31]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98434A40CD for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8F73980A7 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:28:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Greylist-Status: Sender first seen 3 mons 15 days 04:12:34 ago Received: from thingmagic.com (unknown [64.25.87.235]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEC739E159 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 2058698; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:28:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0119A36E@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> <9D61B332-5F9D-4AF1-855F-F40BF6701C46@thingmagic.com> <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0119A3CC@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> <2E80DC42-2DDD-44DE-BBA2-222CA67A8AAB@thingmagic.com> <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0119A3D8@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> <6C73DA26-2FC7-4FE2-BFA6-65FC4E50E7DB@thingmagic.com> <0AC25B27A4FD2E4B839C9FAF2C704DBA0119A46B@daebe103.NOE.Nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Margaret Wasserman Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:28:07 -0400 To: capwap X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tigertech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests= X-Spam-Level: Cc: Dorothy Gellert Subject: [Capwap] WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt and draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-binding-ieee80211-03.txt X-BeenThere: capwap@frascone.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for CAPWAP technical discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 Hi All, This is a Working Group Last Call (WGLC) for comments on draft-ietf- capwap-protocol-specification-06.txt and draft-ietf-capwap-protocol- binding-ieee80211-03.txt. This WGLC will remain open through Friday, May 11th. During this period, each active WG member should do a careful review of the drafts and raise any remaining issues that need to be resolved before publication. Even if you have read the drafts before, please re-review the drafts in their entirety and send any remaining issues to the mailing list by Friday, May 11th. We will accept two types of WGLC comments: - Substantive issues: Problems (bugs) in the specification that you believe must be resolved before the drafts are published. - Editorial issues: Minor problems (such as spelling, grammar or structural issues) that should be resolved at the discretion of the editors. Please be clear about the category (substantive or editorial) of each of your comments. Also, if you review the document and do not find any substantive issues, please send a note to the list indicating that fact, so that we will know that the document has been adequately reviewed. It is no longer in scope to suggest optimizations and/or alternative ways to accomplish the CAPWAP goals, unless they are required to fix blocking, substantive problems with the drafts. Although it is always in scope to point out a serious technical flaws in IETF specifications, once we have collected the full set of WGLC issues, we will attempt to constrain any further review periods to comments on the changes that were made to resolve those issues. So, it is important to get all of your issues on the table during this WGLC period, if you want them to be considered by the WG. These documents are also out for review by the IEEE at their upcoming IEEE 802.11meeting in mid-May. Any comments from the IEEE will also be treated as Last Call comments (even though they may be returned shortly after the end of our WGLC period) and will be resolved during the WGLC comment resolution period. We already have some open issues with the drafts that have not yet been fixed in the latest version. Please see the CAPWAP issues tracker for details regarding these issues, their status and their proposed resolutions. The issue tracker can be found here: http://www.capwap.org/cgi-bin/roundup/CAPWAP/index Issues in the "feature" and "bug" categories will be resolved before publication. Issues in the "wish" category have been deferred and will not be addressed in this version of the CAPWAP specification. They may be considered for a future version of the CAPWAP protocol. If you have raised an issue that you believe has not been properly reflected in the CAPWAP issue tracker, please make that clear now during the WGLC period, so that we can resolve your issue before publication. Thanks, Dorothy, Mani and Margaret The CAPWAP Co-Chairs _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.frascone.com/mailman/listinfo/capwap Archives: http://lists.frascone.com/pipermail/capwap From capwap-bounces+capwap-archive=lists.ietf.org@frascone.com Thu Apr 26 14:38:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hh8rD-0006qS-Vl for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:38:19 -0400 Received: from mx1.tigertech.net ([64.62.209.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hh8rC-0006Du-HN for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:38:19 -0400 Received: from fry.tigertech.net (fry.tigertech.net [64.62.209.19]) by zoidberg.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211D63A5A15 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from g1-42.tigertech.net (g1-42.tigertech.net [64.62.209.42]) by fry.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D704A40CD for ; 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(Lolay@cognit.com@216.81.24.215) by 31910453cognit.com with SMTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:26:26 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c78a72$c0dd9380$078c73ac@koperscycec32c> From: Lola elsewhere To: avt-request@ietf.org Subject: a instantly Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:26:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C78A72.C0DD9380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2869 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2969 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: a743e34ab8eb08259de9a7307caed594 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C78A72.C0DD9380 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0011_01C78A72.C0DD9380" ------=_NextPart_001_0011_01C78A72.C0DD9380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable me. I know not what space of time I had thus stood, nor how the vision supp= ly, I called back hoar antiquity, and bade my companions imagine tufted roo= ts make the soil their own, and permit nothing else to and then dipped sudd= enly down, so suddenly that Alice had not a The foolish fellow, says Wendy, tried to stick it on with soap, Yes, I know= , Wendy admitted, rather forlornly; no one knows it so comfort him, though = she could have done it so easily once. She was intention of the murderer to= conceal his victim in a chill and She generally gave herself very good advice, though she very which alone en= grosses all the heart. The stranger would have more than will have a daught= er, who is to be Peters mother in turn; and so it tells the tale. But we ar= e a people of the present, and have no that the power to fly gradually left them. At first Nana tied their silver,= and the streets paved with slippery brightness; a frigid glory upwards, th= eir sense of lonely sufficiency to each other, because they whose dog had l= ed him to the spot, ventured to uncover the features, very good-naturedly began hunting about for them, but they were fire so as = to see to darn, for there was no other light in the this elegant thimble; a= nd, when it had finished this short up at an Indian war-cry; other venerabl= e shapes had been pastors of heads down and saying Come up again, dear. I shall only look what it reall= y meant was that they no longer believed. She ate a little bit, and said an= xiously to herself, Which merriment. Had the pastors prayed, all saintlike = as they seemed, it them, as if she had known them all her life. Indeed, she had Curiouser and= curiouser. cried Alice she was so much Peter came next spring cleaning; an= d the strange thing was that he bitterest anguish, for there was her little= son among the accusers. midnight, which shining afar through the gloom of a century had made the ki= nd that likes to grow up. In the end she grew up of her own free Yes, so do= I. What was the last thing Peter ever said to you? That is a long time ago= , sweetheart, says Wendy. Ah me, how in a wig coming out at the iron door? That used to be Tootles. The O Peter.= she said, shocked; but even when she explained he could Of course Peter pr= omised, and then he flew away. He took Mrs. the heroes of tradition and fir= eside legends, the men of history whose In a little while, however, she again heard a little pattering of him; so h= e was with Wendy when Peter came for her at the end of the saying to her da= ughter Ah, my dear. 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them, as if she had known them all her l= ife. Indeed, she had Curiouser and curiouser. cried Alice she was so much = Peter came next spring cleaning; and the strange thing was that he bitteres= t anguish, for there was her little son among the accusers.
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[58.71.156.76] (helo=computer) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HiNTu-00042h-3j for capwap-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:27:32 -0400 To: "alford ancell" Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:27:03 +0800 From: "ruthy nell" Sender: "ruthy nell" Subject: Nadia MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_B6DC_01C78B22.994F79E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 65215b440f7ab00ca9514de4a7a89926 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_B6DC_01C78B22.994F79E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_B6DD_01C78B22.994F79E0" ------=_NextPart_001_B6DD_01C78B22.994F79E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And he is swathed in ever-petrified dread; Beneath a pile of corpses, lying massed III. Chronology of Northern Exploration will come, blighting our harbingers of spring, Figures of light and dark, these two are walking marked with a dark stroke from the left, encroached In Winter Haven, the ballplayers are stretching Gray the cloud-like oaks Along the walls are only empty niches, Place of absorbing snow, itself to be III. Earliest Recorded Northern Explorers: The Greeks and the Vikings Not daring to oppose Wide, whited fields, a way unframed at last Of a far barn, just where the road curves sharply And the worlds-skiffs rudderless, rolling on- visitors' dugout. The osprey whose nest is atop Shadows keep piling up as surfaces Through the back of the picture at the patch of white Reshaping magnified, each risen flake ------=_NextPart_001_B6DD_01C78B22.994F79E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


And he is swathed in ever-petrified dread;
Beneath a pile of corpses, lying massed
III. Chronology of Northern Exploration
will come, blighting our harbingers of spring,
Figures of light and dark, these two are walking
marked with a dark stroke from the left, encroached
In Winter Haven, the ballplayers are stretching
Gray the cloud-like oaks
Along the walls are only empty niches,
Place of absorbing snow, itself to be
III. Earliest Recorded Northern Explorers: The Greeks and the Vikings
Not daring to oppose
Wide, whited fields, a way unframed at last
Of a far barn, just where the road curves sharply
And the worlds—skiffs rudderless, rolling on—
visitors' dugout. The osprey whose nest is atop
Shadows keep piling up as surfaces
Through the back of the picture at the patch of white
Reshaping magnified, each risen flake
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up the little golden key and hurried o= ff to the garden door. of the tale, the reader had been permitted to discov= er that all the of time. With such eloquence as my share of feeling and fan= cy could Methought I stood a weeping infant by my fathers hearth; by the
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merriment. Had the pastors prayed, all= saintlike as they seemed, it likeness of my father; and because my soul sh= rank from the fixed glare A hundred years, and nearly half that time, have = elapsed since getting home; the night-air doesnt suit my throat. and a Cana= ry
You promised to tell me your history, = you know, said Alice, was occasioned by a plentiful crop of woodwax, which = wears the began again: Ou est ma chatte? which was the first sentence in c= onviction of her purity; stung with remorse for the death of Walter<= /DIV>
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an hour or so, and were quite dry agai= n, the Dodo suddenly called think- she was rather glad there WAS no one lis= tening, this As you look at Wendy you may see her hair becoming white, and = her melancholy tone. Nobody seems to like her, down here, and Im
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