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HI,

The following I-Ds were recently posted....

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yangshi-capwap-base-mib-00.txt

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yangshi-capwap-802dot11-mib-00.txt


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At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting=20
issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6.  Specifically, the=20
issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls=20
need some serious consideration.
=20
The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite.
=20
This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for
IPv6.  We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation
gateways and firewalls present.
=20
Thoughts/comments ?
=20
Abhijit=20
=20
p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below.
Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in the
document.
=20
=20
----------------------  PROPOSED TEXT ----------------------------------
3.  CAPWAP Transport
=20
   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP as
the
   transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6.  This section describes
how=20
   the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols.
=20
3.1.  UDP Transport
=20
   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be=20
   set to zero.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP
   control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].  The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port
   selected by the WTP.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP data port
   at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  The
   CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP.

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice=20
of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance=20
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class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion=20
and encapsulation in hardware, and in our =
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2>the=20
consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>would=20
be expensive. However,&nbsp;it seems </FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>that the =
CAPWAP=20
protocol </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2>has=20
serious issues related to traversal of </FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT><SPAN=20
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firewalls=20
</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2>when=20
using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>support=20
UDP-Lite.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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size=3D2>This=20
means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport=20
for</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>IPv6.&nbsp; We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are=20
translation</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>gateways and=20
firewalls present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>Thoughts/comments =
?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>Abhijit<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>p.s.=20
Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided=20
below.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>Other=20
minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>document.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>----------------------&nbsp; PROPOSED TEXT=20
----------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.&nbsp; CAPWAP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
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UDP client/server model.&nbsp; The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP =
as&nbsp;<SPAN=20
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face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;transport =
protocol<SPAN=20
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protocols.</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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behind=20
a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) =
device.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the=20
well-<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP =
is a=20
logical<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; choice.&nbsp;&nbsp;<SPAN =
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IPv4, t</SPAN>he UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be =
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class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>set to<SPAN=20
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CAPWAP<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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IANA<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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Should have read=20
"We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are no translation=20
gateways and firewalls present."
=20
=20
Thanks,
Abhijit
=20
=20
=20

________________________________

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting=20
issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6.  Specifically, the=20
issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls=20
need some serious consideration.
=20
The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite.
=20
This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for
IPv6.  We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation
gateways and firewalls present.
=20
Thoughts/comments ?
=20
Abhijit=20
=20
p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below.
Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in the
document.
=20
=20
----------------------  PROPOSED TEXT ----------------------------------
3.  CAPWAP Transport
=20
   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP as
the
   transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6.  This section describes
how=20
   the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols.
=20
3.1.  UDP Transport
=20
   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be=20
   set to zero.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP
   control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].  The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port
   selected by the WTP.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP data port
   at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  The
   CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP.

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D885440321-07082007><FONT =
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size=3D2>Should have read </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D885440321-07082007><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000>"We could still allow for UDP-Lite =
when there=20
are no translation</FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000>gateways=20
and firewalls present.</FONT><SPAN=20
class=3D885440321-07082007>"</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D885440321-07082007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D885440321-07082007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D885440321-07082007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></SPAN=
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Abhijit</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for=20
IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>At the last=20
IETF, the transport A-Ds raised </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>some =
interesting=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>issues=20
related to the use </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>of UDP-Lite for IPv6.&nbsp; Specifically, =
the=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>issues=20
related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>need some=20
serious consideration.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice=20
of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance=20
reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion=20
and encapsulation in hardware, and in our =
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>would be expensive. However,&nbsp;it seems =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>that the=20
CAPWAP protocol </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>NATs and=20
firewalls </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically=20
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>support =
UDP-Lite.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport=20
for</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>IPv6.&nbsp; We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are=20
translation</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>gateways and=20
firewalls present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>Thoughts/comments =
?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>Abhijit<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>p.s.=20
Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided=20
below.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>Other=20
minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>document.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>----------------------&nbsp; PROPOSED TEXT=20
----------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.&nbsp; CAPWAP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Communication=20
between a WTP and an AC is established according to the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
standard=20
UDP client/server model.&nbsp; The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP =
as&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;transport =
protocol<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> for both&nbsp;I</SPAN>Pv4&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>and </SPAN>IPv6.&nbsp; This section describes =
how=20
</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>the CAPWAP protocol is carried over<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;</SPAN>IP and UDP=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Abhijit,

 

I always wanted UDPLite to be an optional protocol in CAPWAP.

 

We also had some discussion back march on this topic. 

 

-Suds

 

 

  _____  

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6

 

At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting 

issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6.  Specifically, the 

issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls 

need some serious consideration.

 

The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on 

performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11

conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions

the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware

would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol 

has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls 

when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite.

 

This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for

IPv6.  We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation

gateways and firewalls present.

 

Thoughts/comments ?

 

Abhijit 

 

p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below.

Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in the

document.

 

 

----------------------  PROPOSED TEXT ----------------------------------

3.  CAPWAP Transport

 

   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP as the

   transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6.  This section describes how 

   the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols.

 

3.1.  UDP Transport

 

   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be 

   set to zero.

 

   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP
   control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].  The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port
   selected by the WTP.

 

   CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP data port
   at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  The
   CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I always wanted UDPLite to be an =
optional
protocol in CAPWAP.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
Abhijit
Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 07, =
2007
1:59 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> capwap<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Capwap] CAPWAP =
transport
for IPv6</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised =
some
interesting </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for
IPv6.&nbsp; Specifically, the </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 =
gateways,
and firewalls </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>need some serious =
consideration.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for =
IPv6 was
based on </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>performance reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do =
the
802.3-to-802.11</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and =
in our
discussions</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>the consensus was that requiring checksum
computation in hardware</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>would be expensive. However,&nbsp;it seems =
that the
CAPWAP protocol </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>has serious issues related to traversal of =
NATs and
firewalls </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't =
typically
support UDP-Lite.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>This means that we should make UDP the =
mandatory
transport for</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>IPv6.&nbsp; We could still allow for UDP-Lite =
when
there are translation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>gateways and firewalls =
present.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Thoughts/comments =
?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Abhijit </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is
provided below.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>Other minor changes will be needed to remove =
mention
of UDP-Lite in the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>document.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>----------------------&nbsp; PROPOSED TEXT
----------------------------------</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>3.&nbsp; CAPWAP =
Transport</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Communication between a WTP and =
an AC
is established according to the<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; standard UDP client/server model.&nbsp; The CAPWAP protocol =
uses
UDP as&nbsp;the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;transport protocol for
both&nbsp;IPv4&nbsp;and IPv6.&nbsp; This section describes how =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; the CAPWAP protocol is carried
over&nbsp;IP and UDP protocols.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>3.1.&nbsp; UDP =
Transport</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One of the CAPWAP protocol
requirements is to allow a WTP to reside<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) =
device.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to =
the
well-<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a =
logical<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; choice.&nbsp;&nbsp;For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in =
CAPWAP
packets MUST be </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;set =
to&nbsp;zero.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP protocol control packets =
sent
from the WTP to the AC use the<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; =
The
CAPWAP<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be =
IANA<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; assigned].&nbsp; The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be =
any
port<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; selected by the WTP.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP protocol data packets =
sent from
the WTP to the AC use the<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The =
CAPWAP
data port<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA =
assigned].&nbsp;
The<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the =
WTP.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'>&lt;DELETE Section =
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Another issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that=20
congestion control needs to be considered for CAPWAP.
The concern was that in case of congestion in the network,
packets could get discarded and the sources may not be=20
notified or may not realize it. This could lead to=20
congestion collapse and fairness issues.
=20
In reality, almost all data traffic being tunneled over
CAPWAP is IP.  Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is=20
between the WTP and AC only. TCP already has its own congestion
control mechanism between the source and the sink, and=20
I'd argue that creating another congestion control loop=20
in the path would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop
and lead to undesirable effects. =20
=20
I'd suggest we add a Transport Considerations section
to the CAPWAP spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be
sent over the Internet when using CAPWPAP.
Some proposed text is provided below.
=20
Thoughts/comments ?
=20
Thanks,
Abhijit=20
=20
-------------PROPOSED TEXT ---------------
=20
Transport Considerations
=20
The CAPWAP protocol does not provide a congestion control mechanism.
The underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is=20
IP. Since it is essentially a tunneling protocol between two
intermediate
points in the path between the wireless client and the end host, it=20
was felt that having a separate congestion control for CAPWAP would=20
actually interfere with the congestion control mechanisms already
in place.
=20
In order to prevent congestion collapse and fairness issues from
happening in the Internet, it is recommended that non-IP traffic
not be tunneled over CAPWAP.

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>Another=20
issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>congestion=20
control needs to be considered for CAPWAP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>The concern=20
was that in case of congestion in the network,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
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could get discarded and the sources may not be </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>notified or=20
may not realize it. This could lead to </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>congestion=20
collapse and fairness issues.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>In reality,=20
almost all data traffic being tunneled over</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>CAPWAP is=20
IP.&nbsp; Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>between the=20
WTP and AC only. TCP already has its own congestion</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>control=20
mechanism between the source and the sink, and </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>I'd argue=20
that creating another </FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>congestion control loop =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>in the path=20
would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>and&nbsp;lead to undesirable </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>effects.&nbsp;=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>I'd suggest=20
we add a Transport Considerations section</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>to the=20
CAPWAP spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>sent over=20
the&nbsp;Internet when using CAPWPAP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Some=20
proposed text is provided below.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Thoughts/comments ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>Abhijit<SPAN =

class=3D322093519-07082007> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D322093519-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D322093519-07082007>-------------PROPOSED TEXT=20
---------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>Transport=20
Considerations</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D322093519-07082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>The CAPWAP=20
protocol does not provide a congestion control =
mechanism.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>The=20
underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>IP.=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D322093519-07082007>Since it is essentially a tunneling protocol =
between=20
two intermediate</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>points in=20
the path between the wireless client and the end host, it =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>was felt=20
that having a separate congestion control for CAPWAP would =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>actually=20
interfere with the congestion control mechanisms =
already</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>in=20
place.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
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The definition for ChangeStatePendingTimer is as given below:
=20
  The maximum time, in seconds, the AC will wait for the Change State
   Event Request from the WTP after having transmitted a successful
   Configuration Status Response message.  The default value is 25
   seconds
=20
So - according to this ChangeStatePendingTimer is started after sending
configuration status response.
=20
Transition from Join to Configure:
=20
  AC:  This state transition occurs immediately after the AC
         transmits the Join Response message to the WTP.  If the AC
         receives the Configuration Status message from the WTP, the AC
         MUST transmit a Configuration Status Response message (see
         Section 8.3) to the WTP, and MAY include specific message
         elements to override the WTP's configuration.  The WTP also
         starts the ChangeStatePendingTimer timer (see Section 4.7).

This does not clarify when ChangeStatePendingTimer is started and also
no timer is started after sending a Join Response message to the WTP. If
the WTP never sends a Configuration Status message, AC will hold the
DTLS session. So, I think we should start the neighbor dead interval
timer after sending join response. That will solve the issue.
=20
Thanks
Smitha

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The =
definition for=20
ChangeStatePendingTimer is as given below:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><U>&nbsp; The=20
maximum time, in seconds, the AC will wait for the Change =
State<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Event Request from the WTP after having transmitted a =
successful<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Configuration Status Response message.&nbsp; The default value is=20
25<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; seconds</U></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So - =
according to=20
this ChangeStatePendingTimer is started after sending configuration =
status=20
response.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Transition from Join=20
to Configure:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><U>&nbsp; AC:&nbsp;=20
This state transition occurs immediately after the=20
AC<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; transmits the =
Join=20
Response message to the WTP.&nbsp; If the=20
AC<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; receives the=20
Configuration Status message from the WTP, the=20
AC<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; MUST transmit a=20
Configuration Status Response message=20
(see<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Section 8.3) to =
the=20
WTP, and MAY include specific=20
message<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; elements to =
override=20
the WTP's configuration.&nbsp; The WTP=20
also<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; starts the=20
ChangeStatePendingTimer timer (see Section =
4.7).<BR></U></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This =
does not=20
clarify when ChangeStatePendingTimer is started and also no timer is =
started=20
after sending a Join Response message to the WTP. If the WTP never sends =
a=20
Configuration Status message, AC will hold the DTLS session. So, I think =
we=20
should start the neighbor dead interval timer after sending join =
response. That=20
will solve the issue.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D045373502-14082007><FONT face=3DArial=20
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Ìû èä¸ì â ïåðâûõ ðÿäàõ ïðîòèâ îáìàí÷èâûõ ïðèíöèïîâ ëîæíîé äåìîêðàòèè íàâÿçàííîé àìåðèêîé,êîòîðàÿ ñòðåìèòüñà çàñóíóòü ñâîþ ðóêó â äåëà êàæäîé ñòðàíû, ñîëäàòû êîòîðîé âåäóò çàõâàòíè÷åñêèå âîéíû, ïî âñåìó ìèðó, è âîþþò îíè íå çà äåìîêðàòèþ êàê îá ýòîì òðåçâîíÿò àìåðèêàíñêàÿ ïðîïàãàíäèñòêàÿ ìàøèíà, à çà âûãîäû ñîâåðøåííî ìàòåðèàëüíûå. Ýòà äâîéíàÿ ìîðàëè àìåðèêàíöåâ ïîêàçûâàåò èñòèííîå ëèöî àìåðèêè,êîòîðàÿ îäíó ðóêó òÿíåò äëÿ ðóêîïîæàòèå, à äðóãîé îòðóáàåò òâîþ ðóêó, êîòîðóþ òû ïðîòÿíóë.

Ìíîãèå çäåñü çàñëóæèëè íàãðàäû è îðäåíà,íî íàì îíè íå íóæíû, íàì ãîðàçäî ïðèÿòíèå ñîçíîâàòü ÷òî ìû ñêëàäûâàåì êèðïè÷èêè â çäàíèå ñêëåïà â êîòîðîì áóäåò ïîêîèòüñà àìåðèêà. 

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ñåãîäíÿ 9ìàÿ,áîëåå ïîëóâåêà íàçàä íàøè äåäû îòäàëè ñâîþ êðîâü çà ïîáåäó íàä ôàøèñòàìè,

òàê ïîìÿí¸ì èõ ñ ÷åñòüþ,ïîêàæåì ìåñòî çàðâàâøåéñÿ ýñòîíèè,âñ¸ ïðàâèòåëüñòâî íàäî ñæå÷ü êàê ñæèãàëè åâðååâ ýññåñîâöû,ääîñ àòàêà è äåôåéñ ìíîãèõ ýñòîíñêèõ ñàéòîâ îðãàíèçîâûâàåò Cyber Antiesstonian Community,ìû òå êòî óïðàâëÿåò ñåòüþ,ìû êîðîëè ñåòè..ìû íèãäå è âåçäå,ìû íå òå áîòàíû î÷êàðèêè,ñêîðåå òå îòìûâàåò áóðæóñêîå áàáëî è åçäèò íà áåõàõ 7 ñåðèè%))

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Ìû èä¸ì â ïåðâûõ ðÿäàõ ïðîòèâ îáìàí÷èâûõ ïðèíöèïîâ ëîæíîé äåìîêðàòèè íàâÿçàííîé àìåðèêîé,êîòîðàÿ ñòðåìèòüñà çàñóíóòü ñâîþ ðóêó â äåëà êàæäîé ñòðàíû, ñîëäàòû êîòîðîé âåäóò çàõâàòíè÷åñêèå âîéíû, ïî âñåìó ìèðó, è âîþþò îíè íå çà äåìîêðàòèþ êàê îá ýòîì òðåçâîíÿò àìåðèêàíñêàÿ ïðîïàãàíäèñòêàÿ ìàøèíà, à çà âûãîäû ñîâåðøåííî ìàòåðèàëüíûå. Ýòà äâîéíàÿ ìîðàëè àìåðèêàíöåâ ïîêàçûâàåò èñòèííîå ëèöî àìåðèêè,êîòîðàÿ îäíó ðóêó òÿíåò äëÿ ðóêîïîæàòèå, à äðóãîé îòðóáàåò òâîþ ðóêó, êîòîðóþ òû ïðîòÿíóë.

Ìíîãèå çäåñü çàñëóæèëè íàãðàäû è îðäåíà,íî íàì îíè íå íóæíû, íàì ãîðàçäî ïðèÿòíèå ñîçíîâàòü ÷òî ìû ñêëàäûâàåì êèðïè÷èêè â çäàíèå ñêëåïà â êîòîðîì áóäåò ïîêîèòüñà àìåðèêà. 

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ñåãîäíÿ 9ìàÿ,áîëåå ïîëóâåêà íàçàä íàøè äåäû îòäàëè ñâîþ êðîâü çà ïîáåäó íàä ôàøèñòàìè,

òàê ïîìÿí¸ì èõ ñ ÷åñòüþ,ïîêàæåì ìåñòî çàðâàâøåéñÿ ýñòîíèè,âñ¸ ïðàâèòåëüñòâî íàäî ñæå÷ü êàê ñæèãàëè åâðååâ ýññåñîâöû,ääîñ àòàêà è äåôåéñ ìíîãèõ ýñòîíñêèõ ñàéòîâ îðãàíèçîâûâàåò Cyber Antiesstonian Community,ìû òå êòî óïðàâëÿåò ñåòüþ,ìû êîðîëè ñåòè..ìû íèãäå è âåçäå,ìû íå òå áîòàíû î÷êàðèêè,ñêîðåå òå îòìûâàåò áóðæóñêîå áàáëî è åçäèò íà áåõàõ 7 ñåðèè%))

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Ìû èä¸ì â ïåðâûõ ðÿäàõ ïðîòèâ îáìàí÷èâûõ ïðèíöèïîâ ëîæíîé äåìîêðàòèè íàâÿçàííîé àìåðèêîé,êîòîðàÿ ñòðåìèòüñà çàñóíóòü ñâîþ ðóêó â äåëà êàæäîé ñòðàíû, ñîëäàòû êîòîðîé âåäóò çàõâàòíè÷åñêèå âîéíû, ïî âñåìó ìèðó, è âîþþò îíè íå çà äåìîêðàòèþ êàê îá ýòîì òðåçâîíÿò àìåðèêàíñêàÿ ïðîïàãàíäèñòêàÿ ìàøèíà, à çà âûãîäû ñîâåðøåííî ìàòåðèàëüíûå. Ýòà äâîéíàÿ ìîðàëè àìåðèêàíöåâ ïîêàçûâàåò èñòèííîå ëèöî àìåðèêè,êîòîðàÿ îäíó ðóêó òÿíåò äëÿ ðóêîïîæàòèå, à äðóãîé îòðóáàåò òâîþ ðóêó, êîòîðóþ òû ïðîòÿíóë.

Ìíîãèå çäåñü çàñëóæèëè íàãðàäû è îðäåíà,íî íàì îíè íå íóæíû, íàì ãîðàçäî ïðèÿòíèå ñîçíîâàòü ÷òî ìû ñêëàäûâàåì êèðïè÷èêè â çäàíèå ñêëåïà â êîòîðîì áóäåò ïîêîèòüñà àìåðèêà. 

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ñåãîäíÿ 9ìàÿ,áîëåå ïîëóâåêà íàçàä íàøè äåäû îòäàëè ñâîþ êðîâü çà ïîáåäó íàä ôàøèñòàìè,

òàê ïîìÿí¸ì èõ ñ ÷åñòüþ,ïîêàæåì ìåñòî çàðâàâøåéñÿ ýñòîíèè,âñ¸ ïðàâèòåëüñòâî íàäî ñæå÷ü êàê ñæèãàëè åâðååâ ýññåñîâöû,ääîñ àòàêà è äåôåéñ ìíîãèõ ýñòîíñêèõ ñàéòîâ îðãàíèçîâûâàåò Cyber Antiesstonian Community,ìû òå êòî óïðàâëÿåò ñåòüþ,ìû êîðîëè ñåòè..ìû íèãäå è âåçäå,ìû íå òå áîòàíû î÷êàðèêè,ñêîðåå òå îòìûâàåò áóðæóñêîå áàáëî è åçäèò íà áåõàõ 7 ñåðèè%))

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Ìû èä¸ì â ïåðâûõ ðÿäàõ ïðîòèâ îáìàí÷èâûõ ïðèíöèïîâ ëîæíîé äåìîêðàòèè íàâÿçàííîé àìåðèêîé,êîòîðàÿ ñòðåìèòüñà çàñóíóòü ñâîþ ðóêó â äåëà êàæäîé ñòðàíû, ñîëäàòû êîòîðîé âåäóò çàõâàòíè÷åñêèå âîéíû, ïî âñåìó ìèðó, è âîþþò îíè íå çà äåìîêðàòèþ êàê îá ýòîì òðåçâîíÿò àìåðèêàíñêàÿ ïðîïàãàíäèñòêàÿ ìàøèíà, à çà âûãîäû ñîâåðøåííî ìàòåðèàëüíûå. Ýòà äâîéíàÿ ìîðàëè àìåðèêàíöåâ ïîêàçûâàåò èñòèííîå ëèöî àìåðèêè,êîòîðàÿ îäíó ðóêó òÿíåò äëÿ ðóêîïîæàòèå, à äðóãîé îòðóáàåò òâîþ ðóêó, êîòîðóþ òû ïðîòÿíóë.

Ìíîãèå çäåñü çàñëóæèëè íàãðàäû è îðäåíà,íî íàì îíè íå íóæíû, íàì ãîðàçäî ïðèÿòíèå ñîçíîâàòü ÷òî ìû ñêëàäûâàåì êèðïè÷èêè â çäàíèå ñêëåïà â êîòîðîì áóäåò ïîêîèòüñà àìåðèêà. 

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H,E*R'E WE GO AGAIN.! 

T*H-E B*I*G O-N*E BE.FORE T-H-E SEPTEM-B,ER.RALLY! 

T'H E MARKE T IS ABO*UT TO P O+P*, A,N+D SO IS E*X,M-T+! 

F.irm: EXCHA *NGE MO BILE T E L.E (.Other O,T C+: EXM+T.PK) 

T,ick: E.X M,T 

A*s*k+: 0..,0 8 

5-d+ay potent,*ial: 0-.,4+0 


T h-i+s a grea.t opportuni-t'y to at le_ast doubl'e up!

N*o+t o-n.l,y d.o'e*s t'h_i+s f*i*r_m h_a*v-e g.reat fu.nd,amentals, b-u =
t ge*tting t,h_i+s opport 'unity at t,h.e rig-ht ti-me, ri-ght befo*re =
t.h'e rall_y is w'h'a+t ma*kes t h_i+s d.e+a l so swee-t! 


Watc,h it s-o+a.r*! 





H+i+s c-h.ildhood years,, h*owev.er, w+e'r*e sp,ent on t h_e Vo_lga a+n =
d h.i-s scho-ol yea+rs in Tashkent-_p+laces w.i*t+h w*hich I am n+o+t =
v+e r*y fami'l,iar. 
If y'o*u a.r.e usi,ng Ant._iviral Toolki_t P*r o 3.

T,h-e fir_st t*r*u_e auto.rout_er f-o*r b-o't'h multi-lay*er P C,B s =
a-n+d a'dvan,ced p*acka.ges, B l,azeRouter u's e,s na_tive an y-,angle =
a,n+d diagona+l-ro.uting algori+thms_, driv.en by Intel ,li-Route =
Co_ntro'ls, to accur.*ately a+n,d effici-entl'y pr'oduce hig_h-_density =
c.irc uitry. 

K-a-n*t (Komputa,ti,onal Al gebra.ic N-umber T_heory) is a subr-out_ine =
packa'ge f,o_r alg,orit.hms f.r o_m t'h+e geom,etr-y of n_umbers a n-d =
algeb_rai.c numb*er t-heory, w'hich w+i*l_l be inc,lu_ded in Magma.. 

A,n*d don',t s.a'y I didn''t w a*r'n y,o_u,. 


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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>H,E*R'E WE GO AGAIN.! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T*H-E B*I*G O-N*E BE.FORE T-H-E =
SEPTEM-B,ER.RALLY! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T'H E MARKE T IS ABO*UT TO P O+P*, A,N+D SO IS =
E*X,M-T+! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>F.irm: EXCHA *NGE MO BILE T E L.E (.Other O,T =
C+:=20
EXM+T.PK) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T,ick: E.X M,T </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>A*s*k+: 0..,0 8 </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>5-d+ay potent,*ial: 0-.,4+0 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T h-i+s a grea.t opportuni-t'y to at le_ast =
doubl'e up!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>N*o+t o-n.l,y d.o'e*s t'h_i+s f*i*r_m h_a*v-e =
g.reat=20
fu.nd,amentals, b-u t ge*tting t,h_i+s opport 'unity at t,h.e rig-ht =
ti-me,=20
ri-ght befo*re t.h'e rall_y is w'h'a+t ma*kes t h_i+s d.e+a l so swee-t! =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>Watc,h it s-o+a.r*! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>H+i+s c-h.ildhood years,, h*owev.er, w+e'r*e =
sp,ent on t=20
h_e Vo_lga a+n d h.i-s scho-ol yea+rs in Tashkent-_p+laces w.i*t+h =
w*hich I am=20
n+o+t v+e r*y fami'l,iar. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>If y'o*u a.r.e usi,ng Ant._iviral Toolki_t P*r =
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T,h-e fir_st t*r*u_e auto.rout_er f-o*r =
b-o't'h=20
multi-lay*er P C,B s a-n+d a'dvan,ced p*acka.ges, B l,azeRouter u's e,s =
na_tive=20
an y-,angle a,n+d diagona+l-ro.uting algori+thms_, driv.en by Intel =
,li-Route=20
Co_ntro'ls, to accur.*ately a+n,d effici-entl'y pr'oduce hig_h-_density =
c.irc=20
uitry. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
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a subr-out_ine packa'ge f,o_r alg,orit.hms f.r o_m t'h+e geom,etr-y of =
n_umbers=20
a n-d algeb_rai.c numb*er t-heory, w'hich w+i*l_l be inc,lu_ded in =
Magma.. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>A,n*d don',t s.a'y I didn''t w a*r'n y,o_u,. =
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H*E,R*E WE GO AGAI,N! 

T-H+E B'I G O.N+E BEFOR_E T,H.E SEPTEMBER..RA*LLY! 
T'H+E MARKE+T IS ABOU_T TO P.O P , A+N'D SO IS E.X*M*T,! 


Firm,: EXCH 'ANGE M'OBILE T.E L.E (Ot'her O_T,C : EXMT.+PK) 

Ti*ck: E X M*T 

A,s,k+: 0 ..0 8 

5-+day potenti,a+l: 0-._4'0 




T,h+i-s a gre,at op+po-rtunity to at l-east doubl'e up!

N-o t o'n+l y d'o e s t,h-i.s f,i.r_m h.a'v e grea+t fundamen tal+s, =
b.u_t ge+tting t'h i's oppor+tu.nity at t_h,e ri.ght tim+e, rig,ht =
bef*ore t h.e r*ally is w h.a_t ma.kes t,h,i s d_e_a_l so swee,t! 


Watc'h it s o'a-r,! 




It is be-dded d e+e-p_. 

S_h-e w i.l+l h,a.v-e h+i_m if I d-i,e., a+n*d n*o-t befo-re. 

As t.h+e_y go throu+g.h, it tak'es a l o.n*g t.i+m-e a*n_d t,here's no =
w+a*y to m'a-k'e it go aroun*d fast,er. 
If runni_ng as a ser,vi-ce, a se_rvice notif*icat.ion mes sage b*o*x (al =
ways sh+own on c+urrent vi-sible d esk+top) is u*s'e+d-. 

S-a'n Sanytc,h wa'nts y_o_u to s*t_a y at t h'e HQ d*uring t'h+e =
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T-H+E B'I G O.N+E BEFOR_E T,H.E =
SEPTEMBER..RA*LLY! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T'H+E MARKE+T IS ABOU_T TO P.O P , A+N'D SO IS =
E.X*M*T,! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>Firm,: EXCH 'ANGE M'OBILE T.E L.E (Ot'her =
O_T,C :=20
EXMT.+PK) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>Ti*ck: E X M*T </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>A,s,k+: 0 ..0 8 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>5-+day potenti,a+l: 0-._4'0 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T,h+i-s a gre,at op+po-rtunity to at l-east =
doubl'e up!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>N-o t o'n+l y d'o e s t,h-i.s f,i.r_m h.a'v e =
grea+t=20
fundamen tal+s, b.u_t ge+tting t'h i's oppor+tu.nity at t_h,e ri.ght =
tim+e,=20
rig,ht bef*ore t h.e r*ally is w h.a_t ma.kes t,h,i s d_e_a_l so swee,t! =
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>Watc'h it s o'a-r,! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>It is be-dded d e+e-p_. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>S_h-e w i.l+l h,a.v-e h+i_m if I d-i,e., a+n*d =
n*o-t=20
befo-re. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>As t.h+e_y go throu+g.h, it tak'es a l o.n*g =
t.i+m-e=20
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u*s'e+d-. </FONT></DIV>
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H-E R+E WE GO AGAI'N! 

T+H-E B'I-G O*N+E BEFOR'E T,H-E SEP,TEMBER. RALLY! 

T'H E MA-RKET IS ABOU T TO P+O.P_, A+N.D SO IS E*X'M+T*! 


Fir+m: EXCHAN_G-E MOBI_LE T'E*L-E (O+ther O.T C : EX*MT.PK) 
Ti+ck: E X,M_T 

A's,k+: 0_.'0*8 

5-da*y potential,.: 0..-4 0 



T-h_i+s a grea.t op_p,ortunity to at l+east dou ble up!
N'o't o n_l'y d-o,e*s t'h'i+s f,i.r_m h,a'v*e gre_at fund'amenta ls, =
b,u-t gettin-g t-h i+s opp_ortuni'ty at t+h+e ri'ght t.ime, righ't =
b'efore t-h_e rall+y is w'h_a't mak.es t-h*i s d.e_a'l so sweet'! 




Watc h it s_o+a'r,! 



My c-o_a-t rip-ped apa+rt a n'd turn_ed wrong si'de o_u t o.v,e+r my =
h+e'a'd a*n_d I grab,bed a ti.ght h_o,l,d aro+und Papa+'s f*o'rehead. 
I pee'ked o'u t c_arefu,lly a n+d s.a,w h*i.m pl,ace t h+e bul'lhor n =
o'n+t_o h'i's h_andcar-, stre+tch h i,s a_r-m's to t+h-e si*des a n+d =
t,rudge in a s-l_o.w g+a+i.t be+tween t_h_e rai*ls towa.rds t h'e =
lunok'hod . 
He droppe-d it i,n_t_o t.h_e p-ocket of h i+s see.rsu'cker blous,e. 
You'l+l be g l+a_d y_o+u d.i+d.. 

I+P v.6 S'tate'less A_ddress Autoconfigurat*.ion. 

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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>Fir+m: EXCHAN_G-E MOBI_LE T'E*L-E (O+ther O.T =
C :=20
EX*MT.PK) </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>A's,k+: 0_.'0*8 </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T-h_i+s a grea.t op_p,ortunity to at l+east =
dou ble up!</FONT></DIV>
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gre_at=20
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>My c-o_a-t rip-ped apa+rt a n'd turn_ed wrong =
si'de o_u=20
t o.v,e+r my h+e'a'd a*n_d I grab,bed a ti.ght h_o,l,d aro+und Papa+'s=20
f*o'rehead. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>I pee'ked o'u t c_arefu,lly a n+d s.a,w h*i.m =
pl,ace t=20
h+e bul'lhor n o'n+t_o h'i's h_andcar-, stre+tch h i,s a_r-m's to t+h-e =
si*des a=20
n+d t,rudge in a s-l_o.w g+a+i.t be+tween t_h_e rai*ls towa.rds t h'e =
lunok'hod=20
 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>He droppe-d it i,n_t_o t.h_e p-ocket of h i+s=20
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H+E.R+E WE GO AGAIN+! 
T+H.E B-I'G O N*E BEF_ORE T-H-E SEPT,EMBER.RA-LLY! 
T.H'E MAR_KET IS ABOU T TO P'O P-, A*N-D SO IS E'X*M.T+! 



Fi,rm: E-XCHA*NGE MOB.ILE T,E.L_E (Ot+her O-T'C.: EXMT.,PK) 
Ti_ck: E'X-M*T 
A's.k': 0,..1*0 (+2.5.00%') (-U,P TO 2+5-% in 1 d,a y ) 
5--day poten.ti'al: 0*.*4 0 



T-h+i_s a gre*at opportu n'ity to at l+east d,ouble up!

N,o.t o-n+l_y d-o_e*s t'h-i.s f,i,r'm h'a v-e gr-eat fundamental_s*, b+u =
t g.etting t_h i's opp+*ortunity at t-h'e r,ight tim'e, r+ight befor.e =
t_h'e ra lly is w_h a-t mak'es t*h*i_s d'e.a,l so swe'et! 



Wat*ch it s o-a'r+! 

As f o'r me - at t-h-e e+n+d of t'h-e mournin''g perio'd f'o-r my unc_le =
H.anif, I en'tered my sec+ond exile . 
Firs-t, it is n*o_t s-ufficien,t to simpl'y h_a v e o'n'e or m+o,r-e of =
th+ese u+til.ities. 
He beg'an by clos+ing a*l,l t h e f*+rontiers. 

We walke,d straig,,ht i-n+t.o t+o'w n wi'thout ma*king an er-ror. 
F*o r s-o'm-e t*i'm_e t-h'e*y wa'lked on in si-lence. 

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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>Fi,rm: E-XCHA*NGE MOB.ILE T,E.L_E (Ot+her =
O-T'C.:=20
EXMT.,PK) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>Ti_ck: E'X-M*T </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>A's.k': 0,..1*0 (+2.5.00%') (-U,P TO 2+5-% in =
1 d,a y ) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>5--day poten.ti'al: 0*.*4 0 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T-h+i_s a gre*at opportu n'ity to at l+east =
d,ouble up!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>N,o.t o-n+l_y d-o_e*s t'h-i.s f,i,r'm h'a v-e =
gr-eat=20
fundamental_s*, b+u t g.etting t_h i's opp+*ortunity at t-h'e r,ight =
tim'e,=20
r+ight befor.e t_h'e ra lly is w_h a-t mak'es t*h*i_s d'e.a,l so swe'et! =
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>Wat*ch it s o-a'r+! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>As f o'r me - at t-h-e e+n+d of t'h-e =
mournin''g perio'd=20
f'o-r my unc_le H.anif, I en'tered my sec+ond exile . </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>Firs-t, it is n*o_t s-ufficien,t to simpl'y =
h_a v e=20
o'n'e or m+o,r-e of th+ese u+til.ities. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>He beg'an by clos+ing a*l,l t h e f*+rontiers. =
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>We walke,d straig,,ht i-n+t.o t+o'w n wi'thout =
ma*king=20
an er-ror. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>F*o r s-o'm-e t*i'm_e t-h'e*y wa'lked on in =
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T,H E B.I_G O+N*E BEFO*RE T.H,E S'EPTEM BER.RALLY! 

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ex+posed to t.h_e c*o'l-d of sp+ace. 
I_n'n*o Se'tup Decompi._ler ( 1 2 ).
I k*n e'w m'o_s+t of the m, a+n-d bes ide*s, I h_a_d th eir nu_mber in =
my h-e_a d-. 
E*v,e,n Ely as hu rried eage.rly d_o'w-n t'h+e slop.e. 

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H+E'R_E WE GO AGAI+N! 

T'H,E M_ARKET IS ABO'UT TO P.O_P-, A N+D SO IS E*X,M.T+! 

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I remembe* r sit'ting w'i,t-h h.e+r in t_h.e coc_kpit of a par-ked s'ailplan e on a Janu.ary n-ight'-we h_a+d no ot,her pl+ace to go--and talkin,g abo_ut t+h*e fut_ure. 

We w i,l-l c*o_m*e w+i-t+h t'h_e-m-. 

T*h e cus.tom Talk.er cla*ss in t+h i_s sampl'e handle,s net_work,ing lo+gic a-n'd u.s e s a sec+ond th read f*o*r r*eading f_r+o_m t,h_e networ_k. 


Di.gital o-u,t a'n*d se,cu+rity l-evel do n,o_t p'l-a,y a p+a,r_t-. 

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H_E*R+E WE GO AGAIN ! 


T_H E B_I+G O N-E B,EFORE T*H-E SEPTEMBER.,.RALLY! 


T,H-E MARKE.T IS ABOU_T TO P-O P*, A+N,D SO IS E'X-M,T_! 


Tic-k: E*X'M+T 
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rig-ht befor_e t.h'e r+ally is w*h-a_t m.akes t*h i_s d e*a.l so s'weet! =


T h+i*s a gre-at opport*unit'y to at l east doub-le up!





T,h+e assemb,+ly f_iles objec't f+iles a.r_e al-ways p.u-t in t.h-e b-a =
s,e di,rec'tory in de*fault m_o.d.e or t+h e obj,ect di-rector_y if =
d.efined. 
W,h.a_t b-i'g r*ings t_here a+r.e On t-h,e fin gers l,ittle a+n'd d =
a.r+k.. 
B*u t w*h_a't to m*e*, my l,o+v'e+. 


Do r_i+n*g if y'o'u w,a-n+t to t_a+l+k a+bout it.

T.h*e g-o*a_l is to g'i-v+e y-o+u di*rect, loca*l, low-*cos-t ac+cess to =
a+l.l commun+ica.tion se_rv_ices, whe*nev'er y-o+u n'e'e_d them*, no =
matte+r w+here y+o'u a.r+e-, u*sing j u-s t o+n'e acco'unt. 


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H'E.R.E WE GO AGAI'N! 
T,H-E B,I-G O+N*E BEFOR-E T+H-E SEPTEMBER.R-AL LY! 
T.H+E MA'RKET IS A-BOUT TO P+O P', A'N_D SO IS E.X,M,T'! 


Ti ck: E-X*M+T 

5-+day potentia*l+: 0,. 4-0 

Fi*rm: EXCHAN.+GE M-OBILE T.E-L.E (Oth-er O'T*C_: E-XMT.PK) 
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N_o t o+n'l*y d_o-e+s t,h-i,s f+i+r'm h,a,v*e gr-eat funda,mentals+, 

b_u t g.etting t'h.i_s opportu,*nity at t,h'e righ*t t*i'm.e., 

rig'ht be,fore t*h'e ral-ly is w h_a t mak es t+h.i+s d e,a l so sw eet! 

T.h i's a gr+eat opp*ortunit.y to at leas_t dou*ble up!




I noti*ced h*e*r smoki_ng in t+h*e garden+. 


T-h*e val+ue to be c om-pared to t h'e pa rameter*. 

T_hese speci.al cha_racte rs m+u,s,t be in a qu_oted s+tring to be u's.e-d withi_n a p.a,rameter va_lue. 
Do t.h e*y h*a-v e a+nythi-ng to a-d-d give*n t*h'e mod'el h*e'r'e . 
D.o+c-h G_rund d_a'z-u h a,b*e i'c*h kein'.n. 





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H'E.R.E WE GO AGAI'N! 

T-H+E B'I.G O-N*E BE FORE T H,E SEPT+EMBER..RALLY! 

T.H*E MA_RKET IS AB'OUT TO P,O P , A'N+D SO IS E*X+M+T_! 


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N+o,t o,n_l*y d,o-e*s t'h.i.s f-i.r_m h'a.v-e g.reat fundame ntal s, 
b'u+t gettin*g t.h-i,s op'portun.ity at t+h-e ri+ght t_i,m_e,, 


ri ght befor.e t'h,e ra_lly is w*h,a,t make's t.h_i.s d+e_a.l so swee*t! =

T_h*i's a gre at opportuni+t'y to at l,east doubl+e up!




Inst ead of pagi ng t,h e desk'top as a whol'e, it c.a*n p'a g*e e+a-c h =
sc_reen i,ndepend.ently, or m+o-v-e pa.ges f'r*o'm scr+een to s-creen. 
He w'a's su*.rprised at Cry+sa*nia's reac.- t'i-o'n to meet-ing =
R,ai-stlin, howev-er. 
B-o*t,h w_e+r-e mem _ory-memory v_ector machine-_s. 

G.e*t s t.h,e conten+t,s of t_h_e ref,*erenced discover -y docum_en.t as =
a objec_t. 

He c-a n u+s.e h.i s illega. ls f_o,r t-h+e checkin _g of everyth_.ing =
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SEPT+EMBER..RALLY! </FONT></DIV>
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H_E-R'E WE GO AGA-IN! 
T H,E B_I,G O-N-E B'EFORE T H_E S.EPTEMBE,R.RALLY! 


T*H*E MARK,ET IS ABOU*T TO P_O'P_, A+N.D SO IS E+X-M'T,! 


Tic_k: E,X'M.T 

5-da y p*otentia.l: 0-.'4.0 

Fi,rm: EX-CHANG+E MOB+ILE T-E'L+E (Oth_er O_T'C*: EXM T.PK) 

A-s+k_: 0 .-1.0 (+25'.00 %) UP TO 2.5+% in 1 day


N*o't o-n-l,y d'o*e's t h'i+s f_i'r m h.a,v,e g'reat fun+damen tals, 
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rig-ht befo re t+h_e rall'y is w h a t m.akes t_h_i+s d-e-a l so s weet! =


T,h.i.s a gre-at opport.uni-ty to at le.ast do*uble up!






He s a'w t h e jerr'y c,a.n.s_. 
It w*ould n+o t req_uire a Sh'e rlock Ho'lmes to dedu,ce t*h*a't y,o+u =
h+a+v.e b'e,e-n cooki_ng o*v_e-r a camp-*fir e, to s'a-y nothi,ng of =
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re'sult is p_ositi*ve if b,o-t,h v*alues h-a v*e t.h'e s'a_m-e s.i-g,n =
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T H,E B_I,G O-N-E B'EFORE T H_E =
S.EPTEMBE,R.RALLY! </FONT></DIV>
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t_h_i+s=20
d-e-a l so s weet! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT Arial size=3D2>T,h.i.s a gre-at opport.uni-ty to at le.ast =
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Hi Abhijit,
=20
UDPLite for IPv6 is a fine compromise (especially when there are no
firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality without the checksum
computation expense.
Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 mandatory.
=20
Thanks.
=20
-Puneet

________________________________

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting=20
issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6.  Specifically, the=20
issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls=20
need some serious consideration.
=20
The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite.
=20
This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for
IPv6.  We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation
gateways and firewalls present.
=20
Thoughts/comments ?
=20
Abhijit=20
=20
p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below.
Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in the
document.
=20
=20
----------------------  PROPOSED TEXT ----------------------------------
3.  CAPWAP Transport
=20
   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP as
the
   transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6.  This section describes
how=20
   the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols.
=20
3.1.  UDP Transport
=20
   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be=20
   set to zero.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP
   control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].  The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port
   selected by the WTP.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP data port
   at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  The
   CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP.

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi Abhijit,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>UDPLite&nbsp;for IPv6 is&nbsp;a fine compromise =
(especially=20
when there are no firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality =
without the=20
checksum computation expense.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6=20
mandatory.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>-Puneet</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
[mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 =
1:59=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for =

IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>At the last=20
IETF, the transport A-Ds raised </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>some =
interesting=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>issues=20
related to the use </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>of UDP-Lite for IPv6.&nbsp; Specifically, =
the=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>issues=20
related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>need some=20
serious consideration.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice=20
of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance=20
reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion=20
and encapsulation in hardware, and in our =
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>would be expensive. However,&nbsp;it seems =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>that the=20
CAPWAP protocol </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>NATs and=20
firewalls </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically=20
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>support =
UDP-Lite.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport=20
for</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>IPv6.&nbsp; We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are=20
translation</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>gateways and=20
firewalls present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>Thoughts/comments =
?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>Abhijit<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>p.s.=20
Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided=20
below.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>Other=20
minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>document.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>----------------------&nbsp; PROPOSED TEXT=20
----------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.&nbsp; CAPWAP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Communication=20
between a WTP and an AC is established according to the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
standard=20
UDP client/server model.&nbsp; The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP =
as&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;transport =
protocol<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> for both&nbsp;I</SPAN>Pv4&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>and </SPAN>IPv6.&nbsp; This section describes =
how=20
</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>the CAPWAP protocol is carried over<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;</SPAN>IP and UDP=20
protocols.</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.1.&nbsp; UDP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One of the=20
CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
behind=20
a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) =
device.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the=20
well-<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP =
is a=20
logical<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; choice.&nbsp;&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>For=20
IPv4, t</SPAN>he UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>set to<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;</SPAN>zero.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP protocol=20
control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP=20
control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The =
CAPWAP<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be =
IANA<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
assigned].&nbsp; The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any=20
port<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; selected by the WTP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP protocol=20
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data=20
channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The CAPWAP data =
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at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].&nbsp;=20
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by the=20
WTP.<BR></FONT></DIV>
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I agree with Puneet. Abhijit correctly pointed out,
"The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive.However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs,V4-V6 gateways and
firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite"
=20
I think it does not make sense to sacrifice performance just to handle
the
scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways deployed in the future.
Instead, in such network configurations, we should allow the=20
protocol to negotiate the use of UDP  data transport in IPv6 networks.
The default should remain UDP-Lite as that will give most performance=20
for common network deployments.
=20
In order to have support for both UDP and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control=20
should always use UDP and for CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should be=20
negotiated. This negotiation can be easily completed as part of CAPWAP=20
config request/response.
=20
This solution ensures that performance is not compromised=20
for the majority of deployments where there is no need to=20
run CAPWAP over NAT, firewalls or V4-V6 gateways by running CAPWAP data=20
over UDP-Lite.  At the same time, it incorporates the flexibility
to negotiate UDP for the data path, if NATs, firewalls and V4-V6
translators
are present.
=20
Regards
Rohit

________________________________

From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]=20
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM
To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


Hi Abhijit,
=20
UDPLite for IPv6 is a fine compromise (especially when there are no
firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality without the checksum
computation expense.
Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 mandatory.
=20
Thanks.
=20
-Puneet

________________________________

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting=20
issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6.  Specifically, the=20
issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls=20
need some serious consideration.
=20
The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite.
=20
This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for
IPv6.  We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation
gateways and firewalls present.
=20
Thoughts/comments ?
=20
Abhijit=20
=20
p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below.
Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in the
document.
=20
=20
----------------------  PROPOSED TEXT ----------------------------------
3.  CAPWAP Transport
=20
   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP as
the
   transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6.  This section describes
how=20
   the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols.
=20
3.1.  UDP Transport
=20
   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be=20
   set to zero.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP
   control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].  The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port
   selected by the WTP.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP data port
   at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  The
   CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP.

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D970265100-21082007>I agree=20
with Puneet. </SPAN>A<SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007>bhijit correctly=20
pointed&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D970265100-21082007>out</SPAN>,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT =
color=3D#000000><FONT=20
size=3D2>"<FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice of=20
UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do =
the=20
802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and =
in our=20
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>would be expensive.However,&nbsp;it seems =
<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>that the CAPWAP protocol =
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>NATs<SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007>,V4-V6=20
gateways</SPAN> and firewalls </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't =
typically=20
</SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007>support UDP-Lite</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>"</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></SPAN></DIV></SPAN>=
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New">
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT =
face=3DArial>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>I think it =
does not make=20
sense to sacrifice performance&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>just=20
</SPAN>to handle&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><=
/DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways =
deployed in=20
the future.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>Instead, i</SPAN>n such network=20
configurations,&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>we should allow =
the=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007></SPAN><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>protocol to negotiate&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>the&nbsp;use of UDP=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New">data transport in IPv6 networks<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>The </SPAN>default </FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN =

class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>should remain UDP-Lite as =
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>that will give most performance=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007>for common=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007>network=20
deployments.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2>In order to have support =
for both UDP=20
and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control&nbsp;<BR><SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>should=20
always use</SPAN>&nbsp;UDP and for&nbsp;CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should =
be=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>negotiated. This&nbsp;negotiation can =
be&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>easily </SPAN>completed as part of CAPWAP=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>config request/response<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>This&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>solution&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>ensures that performance is not =
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>compromise<SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>d</SPAN>=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New"><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>for&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>the =

</SPAN>majority of&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>deployments =
</SPAN>where=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007>there is=20
no need </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007>to=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>run CAPWAP over&nbsp;NAT<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>, firewalls</SPAN>&nbsp;or V4-V6 =
gateways&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>by running </SPAN>CAPWAP data =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>over</SPAN>&nbsp;UDP-Lite.<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>&nbsp; At the same time, it incorporates the=20
flexibility</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>to negotiate UDP for the data =
path, if=20
NATs, firewalls&nbsp;and V4-V6 =
translators</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>are=20
present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SP=
AN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D970265100-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D970265100-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Rohit</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Puneet Agarwal=20
[mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2007 =
5:46=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
[Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi Abhijit,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>UDPLite&nbsp;for IPv6 is&nbsp;a fine compromise =
(especially=20
when there are no firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality =
without the=20
checksum computation expense.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6=20
mandatory.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>-Puneet</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
[mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 =
1:59=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for =

IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>At the last=20
IETF, the transport A-Ds raised </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>some =
interesting=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>issues=20
related to the use </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>of UDP-Lite for IPv6.&nbsp; Specifically, =
the=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>issues=20
related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>need some=20
serious consideration.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice=20
of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance=20
reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion=20
and encapsulation in hardware, and in our =
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>would be expensive. However,&nbsp;it seems =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>that the=20
CAPWAP protocol </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>NATs and=20
firewalls </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically=20
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>support =
UDP-Lite.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport=20
for</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>IPv6.&nbsp; We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are=20
translation</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>gateways and=20
firewalls present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>Thoughts/comments =
?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>Abhijit<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>p.s.=20
Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided=20
below.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>Other=20
minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>document.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>----------------------&nbsp; PROPOSED TEXT=20
----------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.&nbsp; CAPWAP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Communication=20
between a WTP and an AC is established according to the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
standard=20
UDP client/server model.&nbsp; The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP =
as&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;transport =
protocol<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> for both&nbsp;I</SPAN>Pv4&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>and </SPAN>IPv6.&nbsp; This section describes =
how=20
</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>the CAPWAP protocol is carried over<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;</SPAN>IP and UDP=20
protocols.</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.1.&nbsp; UDP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One of the=20
CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
behind=20
a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) =
device.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the=20
well-<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP =
is a=20
logical<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; choice.&nbsp;&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>For=20
IPv4, t</SPAN>he UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>set to<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;</SPAN>zero.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP protocol=20
control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP=20
control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The =
CAPWAP<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be =
IANA<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
assigned].&nbsp; The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any=20
port<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; selected by the WTP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP protocol=20
data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP =
data=20
channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The CAPWAP data =
port<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].&nbsp;=20
The<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected =
by the=20
WTP.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =

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I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.
These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security
area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat these
comments just like any other last call comments.
(Note that since I don't believe this document has gone to the IESG yet
I am sending my comments to the working group list instead of the IESG
list)


In general the document is well presented and does a good job of
presenting a threat analysis of CAPWAP.   I have a few comments:

Title: how specific is this document to 802.11?  It seems that most of
the detailed analysis applies to CAPWAP using any technology.  Should
the document be specific to 802.11?


The document needs a security considerations section and an IANA
consideration section as part of the ID-Checklist

Section 2=20

- I think this section could more clearly describe the complexity
involved.  Instead of saying "In the ideal case, the simple act of
splitting AP functions between the WTP and AC introduces no new security
considerations beyond those relating to the added complexity of the
split" which doesn't mean much to me,  It might be better to say
something like:

"CAPWAP splits the AP functions between the WTP and AC and therefore
introduces security considerations associated with these components and
the newly introduced management and control channel interfaces. In
actuality the considerations depend on the security properties of the L3
network between the AC and WTP."=20

- It is not clear to me from this section whether effects on AAA
security and over the air security are in scope or out of scope from
this section.  The document does point out some impact in both these
areas so I'm not sure they should be declared completely out of scope.
Suggestion is to better define what the goals of the document are with
respect to interactions with 802.11 and AAA. =20

Perhaps say something like "Over-the-are security and AAA security are
discussed in section 3, but threat analysis of the CAPWAP protocol
itself makes up the bulk of the rest of the document" =20

Section 3.2

It seems that most of the security considerations directly associated
with the 802.11 binding are in the 802.11 binding document.  Since there
are bound to be binding specific considerations with any binding perhaps
this document should recommend that a bindings document cover specific
threats associated with a particular binding in the specific binding
document.  This might be good topic for the security considerations of
this document.=20

Section 3.4

- I'm not sure channel bindings is the best term for this section.
There are multiple similar definitions for channel bindings and it gets
confusing.  Basically, channel bindings are a way to bind particular
parameters to a cryptographic channel,  since we are taking about
multiple channels I'm not sure this is the best term.  The section is
more about managing and verifying a series of trust relationships; it is
possible that channel bindings can be used as a technique in some of the
verification of trust. =20

It would probably be good to point out that the complexity of managing a
chain of trust relationships already exist in systems without CAPWAP
architecture.  Does the CAPWAP split introduce new problems in this area
that are beyond the scope of the current STA - AP - AAA architecture? =20

Section 4

I am wondering if the authors considered a slightly different structure
for the document:

- Deployment scenarios
- Adversary Goals
- Adversary capabilities
- vulnerabilities
- countermeasures

This moves the adversary goals section to earlier in the document.  This
seems to make more sense to me.

Section 5

Do we really need to differentiate between 5.2.3.4 (telecommuter) and
5.2.3.5 (tactical)? These seem to be very similar, do they point out
differences in the rest of the threat analysis?=20

Section 6=20

Section 6.1

An adversary may also be able to delay the delivery of a packet, this
may not be significant in the environments you are targeting.=20

Section 7.1.1

Is there a resource consumption vulnerability (leading to DOS)
associated with the discovery phase?  For example does the discovery
phase require maintaining state?=20

Section 7.1.2=20

It seems that there could be an impersonation aspect to the misdirection
where an attacker could cause the WTP to associate with a different
(perhaps malicious) AC than it intended and vice versa?=20

Section 8.2=20

A goal of WTP impersonation could be to DoS the system (wired or
wireless).

Section 8.3

- with regard "to intercept user mobility context (possibly including
security-sensitive information such as cryptographic keys)" , where  is
the context communicated to and from?

- Is CAPWAP involved in inter AC trust?=20


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Hello this is Christine Vanhouser with P.P. Bancard Services and I wanted to speak with you this week. 

We are helping businesses save money on their V/MC Processing and also their ATM Processing with our Programs.

For V/MC Processing no matter if you are Retail or Internet our rates don't change and don't include any Monthly Statement Fees, Monthly Minimum Fees, or Contracts:
 
1.69% for all Visa and MasterCard Swiped
2.15% for all Visa and MasterCard if you Key Enter 
10 cents For All Transactions   
2.75% for all Rewards and Corporate Cards
$13 Chargeback Fee (Only if you get a Chargeback)
5 cents AVS
4 cents Batch
$1.00 Voice Authorization (Only if you use it)
No Monthly Statement Fees
No Monthly Minimum Fees

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I am okay with Rohit's suggestion of keeping UDP-Lite as=20
the mandatory transport over IPv6 for the data channel=20
and adding the ability to negotiate UDP for the datapath=20
in case middle-boxes are present.  For this to work, we
would need UDP to be mandatory for the control channel.
=20
=20
This seems like a fine compromise to me.  This retains the
performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most deployments, and=20
allows us to handle deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, and
V4-V6=20
translators.
=20
In summary, we will have UDP as mandatory for the control channel
for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP will be mandatory for the data channel
for IPv4, and for IPv6, UDP-Lite will be mandatory, and UDP optional.=20
=20
Thanks,
Abhijit
=20
=20
=20

________________________________

From: Rohit Suri (rsuri)=20
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM
To: Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


I agree with Puneet. Abhijit correctly pointed out,
"The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive.However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs,V4-V6 gateways and
firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite"
=20
I think it does not make sense to sacrifice performance just to handle
the
scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways deployed in the future.
Instead, in such network configurations, we should allow the=20
protocol to negotiate the use of UDP  data transport in IPv6 networks.
The default should remain UDP-Lite as that will give most performance=20
for common network deployments.
=20
In order to have support for both UDP and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control=20
should always use UDP and for CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should be=20
negotiated. This negotiation can be easily completed as part of CAPWAP=20
config request/response.
=20
This solution ensures that performance is not compromised=20
for the majority of deployments where there is no need to=20
run CAPWAP over NAT, firewalls or V4-V6 gateways by running CAPWAP data=20
over UDP-Lite.  At the same time, it incorporates the flexibility
to negotiate UDP for the data path, if NATs, firewalls and V4-V6
translators
are present.
=20
Regards
Rohit

________________________________

From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]=20
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM
To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


Hi Abhijit,
=20
UDPLite for IPv6 is a fine compromise (especially when there are no
firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality without the checksum
computation expense.
Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 mandatory.
=20
Thanks.
=20
-Puneet

________________________________

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting=20
issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6.  Specifically, the=20
issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls=20
need some serious consideration.
=20
The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite.
=20
This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for
IPv6.  We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation
gateways and firewalls present.
=20
Thoughts/comments ?
=20
Abhijit=20
=20
p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below.
Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in the
document.
=20
=20
----------------------  PROPOSED TEXT ----------------------------------
3.  CAPWAP Transport
=20
   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP as
the
   transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6.  This section describes
how=20
   the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols.
=20
3.1.  UDP Transport
=20
   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be=20
   set to zero.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP
   control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].  The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port
   selected by the WTP.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP data port
   at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  The
   CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP.

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class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
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UDP-Lite as </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007>the mandatory transport over =
IPv6<SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D090101202-21082007>for the=20
data channel </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>and adding the =
ability to=20
negotiate UDP for the<SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>datapath =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>in case =
middle-boxes are=20
present.<SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>&nbsp; For this to work,=20
we</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>would need UDP to be mandatory for the =
control=20
channel.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV=
>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>This seems =
like a fine=20
compromise to me.<SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>&nbsp; This retains=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most =
deployments,=20
and </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>allows us to handle=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, =
and V4-V6=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>translators.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN=
></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbs=
p;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>In summary, we will have UDP =
as mandatory=20
for the control channel</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP =
will be=20
mandatory for the data =
channel</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>for IPv4, and for IPv6, =
UDP-Lite will be=20
mandatory, and UDP optional. =
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV=
></DIV></FONT>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Abhijit</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
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<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Rohit Suri (rsuri) =
<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit =
Choudhury=20
(achoudhu); capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for=20
IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D970265100-21082007>I agree=20
with Puneet. </SPAN>A<SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007>bhijit correctly=20
pointed&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D970265100-21082007>out</SPAN>,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT =
color=3D#000000><FONT=20
size=3D2>"<FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice of=20
UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do =
the=20
802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and =
in our=20
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>would be expensive.However,&nbsp;it seems =
<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>that the CAPWAP protocol =
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>NATs<SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007>,V4-V6=20
gateways</SPAN> and firewalls </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't =
typically=20
</SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007>support UDP-Lite</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>"</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></SPAN></DIV></SPAN>=
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New">
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT =
face=3DArial>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>I think it =
does not make=20
sense to sacrifice performance&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>just=20
</SPAN>to handle&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><=
/DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways =
deployed in=20
the future.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>Instead, i</SPAN>n such network=20
configurations,&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>we should allow =
the=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007></SPAN><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>protocol to negotiate&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>the&nbsp;use of UDP=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New">data transport in IPv6 networks<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>The </SPAN>default </FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN =

class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>should remain UDP-Lite as =
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>that will give most performance=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007>for common=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007>network=20
deployments.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2>In order to have support =
for both UDP=20
and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control&nbsp;<BR><SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>should=20
always use</SPAN>&nbsp;UDP and for&nbsp;CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should =
be=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>negotiated. This&nbsp;negotiation can =
be&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>easily </SPAN>completed as part of CAPWAP=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>config request/response<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>This&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>solution&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>ensures that performance is not =
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>compromise<SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>d</SPAN>=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New"><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>for&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>the =

</SPAN>majority of&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>deployments =
</SPAN>where=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007>there is=20
no need </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007>to=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>run CAPWAP over&nbsp;NAT<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>, firewalls</SPAN>&nbsp;or V4-V6 =
gateways&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>by running </SPAN>CAPWAP data =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>over</SPAN>&nbsp;UDP-Lite.<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>&nbsp; At the same time, it incorporates the=20
flexibility</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>to negotiate UDP for the data =
path, if=20
NATs, firewalls&nbsp;and V4-V6 =
translators</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>are=20
present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SP=
AN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D970265100-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D970265100-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Rohit</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Puneet Agarwal=20
[mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2007 =
5:46=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
[Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi Abhijit,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>UDPLite&nbsp;for IPv6 is&nbsp;a fine compromise =
(especially=20
when there are no firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality =
without the=20
checksum computation expense.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6=20
mandatory.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>-Puneet</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
[mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 =
1:59=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for =

IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>At the last=20
IETF, the transport A-Ds raised </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>some =
interesting=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>issues=20
related to the use </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>of UDP-Lite for IPv6.&nbsp; Specifically, =
the=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>issues=20
related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>need some=20
serious consideration.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice=20
of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance=20
reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion=20
and encapsulation in hardware, and in our =
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>would be expensive. However,&nbsp;it seems =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>that the=20
CAPWAP protocol </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>NATs and=20
firewalls </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically=20
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>support =
UDP-Lite.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport=20
for</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>IPv6.&nbsp; We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are=20
translation</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>gateways and=20
firewalls present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>Thoughts/comments =
?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>Abhijit<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>p.s.=20
Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided=20
below.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>Other=20
minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>document.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>----------------------&nbsp; PROPOSED TEXT=20
----------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.&nbsp; CAPWAP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Communication=20
between a WTP and an AC is established according to the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
standard=20
UDP client/server model.&nbsp; The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP =
as&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;transport =
protocol<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> for both&nbsp;I</SPAN>Pv4&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>and </SPAN>IPv6.&nbsp; This section describes =
how=20
</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>the CAPWAP protocol is carried over<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;</SPAN>IP and UDP=20
protocols.</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.1.&nbsp; UDP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One of the=20
CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
behind=20
a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) =
device.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the=20
well-<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP =
is a=20
logical<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; choice.&nbsp;&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>For=20
IPv4, t</SPAN>he UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>set to<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;</SPAN>zero.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP protocol=20
control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP=20
control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The =
CAPWAP<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be =
IANA<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
assigned].&nbsp; The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any=20
port<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; selected by the WTP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP protocol=20
data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP =
data=20
channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The CAPWAP data =
port<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].&nbsp;=20
The<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected =
by the=20
WTP.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =

face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&lt;DELETE Section=20
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I agree with Abhijit's summary of Rohit's proposal.
=20
Thanks.
=20
-Puneet.

________________________________

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:13 PM
To: Rohit Suri (rsuri); Puneet Agarwal; capwap
Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


I am okay with Rohit's suggestion of keeping UDP-Lite as=20
the mandatory transport over IPv6 for the data channel=20
and adding the ability to negotiate UDP for the datapath=20
in case middle-boxes are present.  For this to work, we
would need UDP to be mandatory for the control channel.
=20
=20
This seems like a fine compromise to me.  This retains the
performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most deployments, and=20
allows us to handle deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, and
V4-V6=20
translators.
=20
In summary, we will have UDP as mandatory for the control channel
for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP will be mandatory for the data channel
for IPv4, and for IPv6, UDP-Lite will be mandatory, and UDP optional.=20
=20
Thanks,
Abhijit
=20
=20
=20

________________________________

From: Rohit Suri (rsuri)=20
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM
To: Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


I agree with Puneet. Abhijit correctly pointed out,
"The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive.However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs,V4-V6 gateways and
firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite"
=20
I think it does not make sense to sacrifice performance just to handle
the
scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways deployed in the future.
Instead, in such network configurations, we should allow the=20
protocol to negotiate the use of UDP  data transport in IPv6 networks.
The default should remain UDP-Lite as that will give most performance=20
for common network deployments.
=20
In order to have support for both UDP and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control=20
should always use UDP and for CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should be=20
negotiated. This negotiation can be easily completed as part of CAPWAP=20
config request/response.
=20
This solution ensures that performance is not compromised=20
for the majority of deployments where there is no need to=20
run CAPWAP over NAT, firewalls or V4-V6 gateways by running CAPWAP data=20
over UDP-Lite.  At the same time, it incorporates the flexibility
to negotiate UDP for the data path, if NATs, firewalls and V4-V6
translators
are present.
=20
Regards
Rohit

________________________________

From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]=20
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM
To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


Hi Abhijit,
=20
UDPLite for IPv6 is a fine compromise (especially when there are no
firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality without the checksum
computation expense.
Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 mandatory.
=20
Thanks.
=20
-Puneet

________________________________

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting=20
issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6.  Specifically, the=20
issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls=20
need some serious consideration.
=20
The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite.
=20
This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for
IPv6.  We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation
gateways and firewalls present.
=20
Thoughts/comments ?
=20
Abhijit=20
=20
p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below.
Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in the
document.
=20
=20
----------------------  PROPOSED TEXT ----------------------------------
3.  CAPWAP Transport
=20
   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP as
the
   transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6.  This section describes
how=20
   the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols.
=20
3.1.  UDP Transport
=20
   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be=20
   set to zero.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP
   control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].  The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port
   selected by the WTP.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP data port
   at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  The
   CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP.

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D685352323-23082007><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I agree with Abhijit's summary of Rohit's=20
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D685352323-23082007><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D685352323-23082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D685352323-23082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>-Puneet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
[mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 21, 2007 =
10:13=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Rohit Suri (rsuri); Puneet Agarwal; =
capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>I am okay with</SPAN>&nbsp;Rohit's suggestion =
of<SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=
=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>keeping=20
UDP-Lite as </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007>the mandatory transport over =
IPv6<SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D090101202-21082007>for the=20
data channel </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>and adding the =
ability to=20
negotiate UDP for the<SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>datapath =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>in case =
middle-boxes are=20
present.<SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>&nbsp; For this to work,=20
we</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>would need UDP to be mandatory for the =
control=20
channel.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV=
>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV=
>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>This seems =
like a fine=20
compromise to me.<SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>&nbsp; This retains=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most =
deployments,=20
and </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>allows us to handle=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, =
and V4-V6=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>translators.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN=
></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbs=
p;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>In summary, we will have UDP =
as mandatory=20
for the control channel</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP =
will be=20
mandatory for the data =
channel</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>for IPv4, and for IPv6, =
UDP-Lite will be=20
mandatory, and UDP optional. =
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV=
></DIV></FONT>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Abhijit</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Rohit Suri (rsuri) =
<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit =
Choudhury=20
(achoudhu); capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for=20
IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D970265100-21082007>I agree=20
with Puneet. </SPAN>A<SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007>bhijit correctly=20
pointed&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D970265100-21082007>out</SPAN>,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT =
color=3D#000000><FONT=20
size=3D2>"<FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice of=20
UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do =
the=20
802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and =
in our=20
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>would be expensive.However,&nbsp;it seems =
<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>that the CAPWAP protocol =
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>NATs<SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007>,V4-V6=20
gateways</SPAN> and firewalls </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't =
typically=20
</SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007>support UDP-Lite</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>"</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></SPAN></DIV></SPAN>=
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New">
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT =
face=3DArial>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>I think it =
does not make=20
sense to sacrifice performance&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>just=20
</SPAN>to handle&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><=
/DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways =
deployed in=20
the future.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>Instead, i</SPAN>n such network=20
configurations,&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>we should allow =
the=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007></SPAN><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>protocol to negotiate&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>the&nbsp;use of UDP=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New">data transport in IPv6 networks<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>The </SPAN>default </FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN =

class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>should remain UDP-Lite as =
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>that will give most performance=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007>for common=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007>network=20
deployments.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2>In order to have support =
for both UDP=20
and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control&nbsp;<BR><SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>should=20
always use</SPAN>&nbsp;UDP and for&nbsp;CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should =
be=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>negotiated. This&nbsp;negotiation can =
be&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>easily </SPAN>completed as part of CAPWAP=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>config request/response<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>This&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>solution&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>ensures that performance is not =
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>compromise<SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>d</SPAN>=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New"><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>for&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>the =

</SPAN>majority of&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>deployments =
</SPAN>where=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007>there is=20
no need </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007>to=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>run CAPWAP over&nbsp;NAT<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>, firewalls</SPAN>&nbsp;or V4-V6 =
gateways&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>by running </SPAN>CAPWAP data =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>over</SPAN>&nbsp;UDP-Lite.<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>&nbsp; At the same time, it incorporates the=20
flexibility</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>to negotiate UDP for the data =
path, if=20
NATs, firewalls&nbsp;and V4-V6 =
translators</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>are=20
present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SP=
AN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D970265100-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D970265100-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Rohit</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Puneet Agarwal=20
[mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2007 =
5:46=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
[Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi Abhijit,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>UDPLite&nbsp;for IPv6 is&nbsp;a fine compromise =
(especially=20
when there are no firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality =
without the=20
checksum computation expense.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6=20
mandatory.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>-Puneet</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
[mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 =
1:59=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for =

IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>At the last=20
IETF, the transport A-Ds raised </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>some =
interesting=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>issues=20
related to the use </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>of UDP-Lite for IPv6.&nbsp; Specifically, =
the=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>issues=20
related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>need some=20
serious consideration.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice=20
of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance=20
reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion=20
and encapsulation in hardware, and in our =
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>would be expensive. However,&nbsp;it seems =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>that the=20
CAPWAP protocol </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>NATs and=20
firewalls </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically=20
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>support =
UDP-Lite.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport=20
for</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>IPv6.&nbsp; We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are=20
translation</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>gateways and=20
firewalls present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>Thoughts/comments =
?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>Abhijit<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>p.s.=20
Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided=20
below.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>Other=20
minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>document.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>----------------------&nbsp; PROPOSED TEXT=20
----------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.&nbsp; CAPWAP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Communication=20
between a WTP and an AC is established according to the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
standard=20
UDP client/server model.&nbsp; The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP =
as&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;transport =
protocol<SPAN=20
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size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One of the=20
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device.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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well-<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP =
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control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The =
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IANA<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
assigned].&nbsp; The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any=20
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by the=20
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Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to run
this by the transport ADs and advisors?
=20
PatC

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From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:25 PM
To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); Rohit Suri (rsuri); capwap
Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


I agree with Abhijit's summary of Rohit's proposal.
=20
Thanks.
=20
-Puneet.

________________________________

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:13 PM
To: Rohit Suri (rsuri); Puneet Agarwal; capwap
Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


I am okay with Rohit's suggestion of keeping UDP-Lite as=20
the mandatory transport over IPv6 for the data channel=20
and adding the ability to negotiate UDP for the datapath=20
in case middle-boxes are present.  For this to work, we
would need UDP to be mandatory for the control channel.
=20
=20
This seems like a fine compromise to me.  This retains the
performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most deployments, and=20
allows us to handle deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, and
V4-V6=20
translators.
=20
In summary, we will have UDP as mandatory for the control channel
for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP will be mandatory for the data channel
for IPv4, and for IPv6, UDP-Lite will be mandatory, and UDP optional.=20
=20
Thanks,
Abhijit
=20
=20
=20

________________________________

From: Rohit Suri (rsuri)=20
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM
To: Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


I agree with Puneet. Abhijit correctly pointed out,
"The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive.However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs,V4-V6 gateways and
firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite"
=20
I think it does not make sense to sacrifice performance just to handle
the
scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways deployed in the future.
Instead, in such network configurations, we should allow the=20
protocol to negotiate the use of UDP  data transport in IPv6 networks.
The default should remain UDP-Lite as that will give most performance=20
for common network deployments.
=20
In order to have support for both UDP and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control=20
should always use UDP and for CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should be=20
negotiated. This negotiation can be easily completed as part of CAPWAP=20
config request/response.
=20
This solution ensures that performance is not compromised=20
for the majority of deployments where there is no need to=20
run CAPWAP over NAT, firewalls or V4-V6 gateways by running CAPWAP data=20
over UDP-Lite.  At the same time, it incorporates the flexibility
to negotiate UDP for the data path, if NATs, firewalls and V4-V6
translators
are present.
=20
Regards
Rohit

________________________________

From: Puneet Agarwal [mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com]=20
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:46 PM
To: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap
Subject: Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


Hi Abhijit,
=20
UDPLite for IPv6 is a fine compromise (especially when there are no
firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality without the checksum
computation expense.
Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6 mandatory.
=20
Thanks.
=20
-Puneet

________________________________

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu) [mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:59 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6


At the last IETF, the transport A-Ds raised some interesting=20
issues related to the use of UDP-Lite for IPv6.  Specifically, the=20
issues related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls=20
need some serious consideration.
=20
The choice of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
performance reasons.  Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11
conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and in our discussions
the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in hardware
would be expensive. However, it seems that the CAPWAP protocol=20
has serious issues related to traversal of NATs and firewalls=20
when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically support UDP-Lite.
=20
This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport for
IPv6.  We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are translation
gateways and firewalls present.
=20
Thoughts/comments ?
=20
Abhijit=20
=20
p.s. Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided below.
Other minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in the
document.
=20
=20
----------------------  PROPOSED TEXT ----------------------------------
3.  CAPWAP Transport
=20
   Communication between a WTP and an AC is established according to the
   standard UDP client/server model.  The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP as
the
   transport protocol for both IPv4 and IPv6.  This section describes
how=20
   the CAPWAP protocol is carried over IP and UDP protocols.
=20
3.1.  UDP Transport
=20
   One of the CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside
   behind a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) device.
   Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the well-
   known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP is a logical
   choice.  For IPv4, the UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be=20
   set to zero.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP
   control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA
   assigned].  The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any port
   selected by the WTP.
=20
   CAPWAP protocol data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the
   CAPWAP data channel, as defined in Section 1.4.  The CAPWAP data port
   at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].  The
   CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected by the WTP.

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D861375923-28082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Any objections before I go ahead and change the =
spec? Do we=20
want to run this by the transport ADs and advisors?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D861375923-28082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D861375923-28082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>PatC</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Puneet Agarwal=20
[mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 23, =
2007 4:25=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); Rohit Suri (rsuri);=20
capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for=20
IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D685352323-23082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I agree with Abhijit's summary of Rohit's=20
proposal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D685352323-23082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D685352323-23082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D685352323-23082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D685352323-23082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>-Puneet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
[mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 21, 2007 =
10:13=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Rohit Suri (rsuri); Puneet Agarwal; =
capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>I am okay with</SPAN>&nbsp;Rohit's suggestion =
of<SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=
=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>keeping=20
UDP-Lite as </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007>the mandatory transport over =
IPv6<SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D090101202-21082007>for the=20
data channel </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>and adding the =
ability to=20
negotiate UDP for the<SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>datapath =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>in case =
middle-boxes are=20
present.<SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>&nbsp; For this to work,=20
we</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>would need UDP to be mandatory for the =
control=20
channel.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV=
>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV=
>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2>This seems =
like a fine=20
compromise to me.<SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>&nbsp; This retains=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>performance benefits of UDP-Lite for most =
deployments,=20
and </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>allows us to handle=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>deployment scenarios where NATs, firewalls, =
and V4-V6=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007>translators.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN=
></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbs=
p;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>In summary, we will have UDP =
as mandatory=20
for the control channel</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>for both IPv4 and IPv6. UDP =
will be=20
mandatory for the data =
channel</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D684353404-22082007>for IPv4, and for IPv6, =
UDP-Lite will be=20
mandatory, and UDP optional. =
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D090101202-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D684353404-22082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV=
></DIV></FONT>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Abhijit</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Rohit Suri (rsuri) =
<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Monday, August 20, 2007 5:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Puneet Agarwal; Abhijit =
Choudhury=20
(achoudhu); capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for=20
IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D970265100-21082007>I agree=20
with Puneet. </SPAN>A<SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007>bhijit correctly=20
pointed&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D970265100-21082007>out</SPAN>,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT =
color=3D#000000><FONT=20
size=3D2>"<FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice of=20
UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do =
the=20
802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion and encapsulation in hardware, and =
in our=20
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>would be expensive.However,&nbsp;it seems =
<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>that the CAPWAP protocol =
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>NATs<SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007>,V4-V6=20
gateways</SPAN> and firewalls </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't =
typically=20
</SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007>support UDP-Lite</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>"</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></SPAN></DIV></SPAN>=
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New">
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT =
face=3DArial>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>I think it =
does not make=20
sense to sacrifice performance&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>just=20
</SPAN>to handle&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><=
/DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>scenario where there may be V4-V6 gateways =
deployed in=20
the future.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>Instead, i</SPAN>n such network=20
configurations,&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>we should allow =
the=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007></SPAN><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>protocol to negotiate&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>the&nbsp;use of UDP=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New">data transport in IPv6 networks<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>The </SPAN>default </FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN =

class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>should remain UDP-Lite as =
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN=20
class=3D508390217-15082007>that will give most performance=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007>for common=20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN class=3D508390217-15082007>network=20
deployments.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><SPAN =
class=3D508390217-15082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2>In order to have support =
for both UDP=20
and UDP-Lite, CAPWAP control&nbsp;<BR><SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>should=20
always use</SPAN>&nbsp;UDP and for&nbsp;CAPWAP data UDP/UDP-Lite should =
be=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>negotiated. This&nbsp;negotiation can =
be&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>easily </SPAN>completed as part of CAPWAP=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2>config request/response<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>This&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>solution&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>ensures that performance is not =
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>compromise<SPAN =
class=3D329452517-15082007>d</SPAN>=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Courier =
New"><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>for&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>the =

</SPAN>majority of&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>deployments =
</SPAN>where=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007>there is=20
no need </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
class=3D944435905-15082007>to=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D944435905-15082007>run CAPWAP over&nbsp;NAT<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>, firewalls</SPAN>&nbsp;or V4-V6 =
gateways&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>by running </SPAN>CAPWAP data =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>over</SPAN>&nbsp;UDP-Lite.<SPAN=20
class=3D329452517-15082007>&nbsp; At the same time, it incorporates the=20
flexibility</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>to negotiate UDP for the data =
path, if=20
NATs, firewalls&nbsp;and V4-V6 =
translators</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D944435905-15082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D329452517-15082007>are=20
present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SP=
AN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D970265100-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D970265100-21082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Rohit</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Puneet Agarwal=20
[mailto:pagarwal@broadcom.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2007 =
5:46=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu); capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
[Capwap] CAPWAP transport for IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi Abhijit,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>UDPLite&nbsp;for IPv6 is&nbsp;a fine compromise =
(especially=20
when there are no firewalls between WTP and AC) for functionality =
without the=20
checksum computation expense.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hence I am not OK with making UDP for IPv6=20
mandatory.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D138304100-21082007><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>-Puneet</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
[mailto:achoudhu@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 =
1:59=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Capwap] CAPWAP transport for =

IPv6<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>At the last=20
IETF, the transport A-Ds raised </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>some =
interesting=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>issues=20
related to the use </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>of UDP-Lite for IPv6.&nbsp; Specifically, =
the=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>issues=20
related to traversal of NAT, V4-V6 gateways, and firewalls =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>need some=20
serious consideration.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>The choice=20
of UDP-Lite as the transport for IPv6 was based on </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>performance=20
reasons.&nbsp; Most ACs today do the 802.3-to-802.11</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>conversion=20
and encapsulation in hardware, and in our =
discussions</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>the consensus was that requiring checksum computation in=20
hardware</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>would be expensive. However,&nbsp;it seems =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>that the=20
CAPWAP protocol </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>has serious issues related to traversal of =
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>NATs and=20
firewalls </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>when using IPv6 since such boxes don't typically=20
</FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>support =
UDP-Lite.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>This means that we should make UDP the mandatory transport=20
for</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>IPv6.&nbsp; We could still allow for UDP-Lite when there are=20
translation</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>gateways and=20
firewalls present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>Thoughts/comments =
?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>Abhijit<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>p.s.=20
Proposed text for updating Section 3 is provided=20
below.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>Other=20
minor changes will be needed to remove mention of UDP-Lite in=20
the</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>document.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>----------------------&nbsp; PROPOSED TEXT=20
----------------------------------</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.&nbsp; CAPWAP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Communication=20
between a WTP and an AC is established according to the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
standard=20
UDP client/server model.&nbsp; The CAPWAP protocol uses UDP =
as&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>&nbsp;transport =
protocol<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007> for both&nbsp;I</SPAN>Pv4&nbsp;<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>and </SPAN>IPv6.&nbsp; This section describes =
how=20
</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT size=3D+0><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>the CAPWAP protocol is carried over<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;</SPAN>IP and UDP=20
protocols.</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>3.1.&nbsp; UDP=20
Transport</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One of the=20
CAPWAP protocol requirements is to allow a WTP to reside<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
behind=20
a firewall and/or Network Address Translation (NAT) =
device.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Since a CAPWAP session is initiated by the WTP (client) to the=20
well-<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; known UDP port of the AC (server), the use of UDP =
is a=20
logical<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; choice.&nbsp;&nbsp;<SPAN =
class=3D166091419-07082007>For=20
IPv4, t</SPAN>he UDP checksum field in CAPWAP packets MUST be =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>set to<SPAN=20
class=3D166091419-07082007>&nbsp;</SPAN>zero.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP protocol=20
control packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP=20
control channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The =
CAPWAP<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
control port at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be =
IANA<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
assigned].&nbsp; The CAPWAP control port at the WTP can be any=20
port<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; selected by the WTP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
CAPWAP protocol=20
data packets sent from the WTP to the AC use the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP =
data=20
channel, as defined in Section 1.4.&nbsp; The CAPWAP data =
port<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
at the AC is the well known UDP port [to be IANA assigned].&nbsp;=20
The<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; CAPWAP data port at the WTP can be any port selected =
by the=20
WTP.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D+0><SPAN class=3D166091419-07082007><FONT =

face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>&lt;DELETE Section=20
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Any objections before I go ahead and change the spec? Do we want to run
this by the transport ADs and advisors?
=20
PatC

________________________________

From: Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:45 PM
To: capwap
Subject: [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion control


Another issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that=20
congestion control needs to be considered for CAPWAP.
The concern was that in case of congestion in the network,
packets could get discarded and the sources may not be=20
notified or may not realize it. This could lead to=20
congestion collapse and fairness issues.
=20
In reality, almost all data traffic being tunneled over
CAPWAP is IP.  Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is=20
between the WTP and AC only. TCP already has its own congestion
control mechanism between the source and the sink, and=20
I'd argue that creating another congestion control loop=20
in the path would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop
and lead to undesirable effects. =20
=20
I'd suggest we add a Transport Considerations section
to the CAPWAP spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be
sent over the Internet when using CAPWPAP.
Some proposed text is provided below.
=20
Thoughts/comments ?
=20
Thanks,
Abhijit=20
=20
-------------PROPOSED TEXT ---------------
=20
Transport Considerations
=20
The CAPWAP protocol does not provide a congestion control mechanism.
The underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is=20
IP. Since it is essentially a tunneling protocol between two
intermediate
points in the path between the wireless client and the end host, it=20
was felt that having a separate congestion control for CAPWAP would=20
actually interfere with the congestion control mechanisms already
in place.
=20
In order to prevent congestion collapse and fairness issues from
happening in the Internet, it is recommended that non-IP traffic
not be tunneled over CAPWAP.

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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Abhijit Choudhury (achoudhu)=20
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
capwap<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Capwap] CAPWAP and congestion=20
control<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>Another=20
issue that the transport A-Ds raised was that </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>congestion=20
control needs to be considered for CAPWAP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>The concern=20
was that in case of congestion in the network,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>packets=20
could get discarded and the sources may not be </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>notified or=20
may not realize it. This could lead to </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>congestion=20
collapse and fairness issues.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>In reality,=20
almost all data traffic being tunneled over</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>CAPWAP is=20
IP.&nbsp; Note that the CAPWAP tunnel is </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>between the=20
WTP and AC only. TCP already has its own congestion</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>control=20
mechanism between the source and the sink, and </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>I'd argue=20
that creating another </FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT=20
face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>congestion control loop =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>in the path=20
would interfere with TCP's congestion control loop</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>and&nbsp;lead to undesirable </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>effects.&nbsp;=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>I'd suggest=20
we add a Transport Considerations section</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>to the=20
CAPWAP spec recommending that non-IP traffic not be</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>sent over=20
the&nbsp;Internet when using CAPWPAP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
size=3D2>Some=20
proposed text is provided below.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322093519-07082007><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>Thoughts/comments ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New" =
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>Abhijit<SPAN =

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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D322093519-07082007></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Considerations</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D322093519-07082007>The CAPWAP=20
protocol does not provide a congestion control =
mechanism.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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underlying assumption is that data being tunneled by CAPWAP is=20
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class=3D322093519-07082007>Since it is essentially a tunneling protocol =
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two intermediate</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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the path between the wireless client and the end host, it =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
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</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN =
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the Internet, it is recommended that non-IP traffic</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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