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  Cc: dromasca@avaya.com ; 'Yong Zhang' ; capwap@frascone.com=20
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  Hi, All:

  The new versions of drafts were posted.=20
  Please check them.

  http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-07.txt

  Bert: SMICng clean syntax. So I am happy with that.
  Forgot to tell you that the writable " xxxNotifyEnable" objects should =
have text
  in the description clause to state if they are persistent over reboot =
or not.
  I guess I had assume you would know that since it is properly done
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  http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-capwap-802dot11-mib-06.txt


  Bert: for this one I get:
  W: f(capwap-dot11.mi2), (247,13) Row "capwapDot11WlanBindEntry" does =
not have a consistent indexing s
  cheme - cannot specify an index item from additional "base row" =
ifEntry, since can have only one "bas
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  I guess that is intended and OK.

  Bert

  Happy New Year.

  Regards
  Richard





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versions,=20
  thanks</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Hi, All:<BR><BR>The new versions of drafts were posted. =
<BR>Please check=20
  them.<BR></DIV>
  <DIV><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-07.txt">http://=
www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-07.txt</A></DIV><FONT=20
  size=3D2></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#00ff00 size=3D2>Bert: SMICng clean syntax. So I am =
happy with=20
  that.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#00ff00 size=3D2>Forgot to tell you that the =
writable "=20
  xxxNotifyEnable" objects should have text</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#00ff00 size=3D2>in the description clause to state =
if they are=20
  persistent over reboot or not.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#00ff00 size=3D2>I guess I had assume you would =
know that since=20
  it is properly done</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#00ff00 size=3D2>in the other writable=20
  objects.</FONT></DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>
  <DIV><BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-capwap-802dot11-mib-06.txt">htt=
p://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-capwap-802dot11-mib-06.txt</A><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#00ff00 size=3D2>Bert: for this one I =
get:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#00ff00 size=3D2>W: f(capwap-dot11.mi2), (247,13) =
Row=20
  "capwapDot11WlanBindEntry" does not have a consistent indexing =
s<BR>cheme -=20
  cannot specify an index item from additional "base row" ifEntry, since =
can=20
  have only one "bas<BR>e row" which is =
capwapDot11WlanEntry<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#00ff00 size=3D2>I guess that is intended and =
OK.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#00ff00 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#00ff00>Bert</FONT></DIV></FONT><FONT=20
  size=3D2></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR>Happy New=20
  Year.<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Richard<BR><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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  <P></P><BR>Geen virus gevonden in het =
binnenkomende-bericht.<BR>Gecontroleerd=20
  door AVG - <A href=3D"http://www.avg.com">www.avg.com</A> <BR>Versie: =
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  Virusdatabase: 270.14.125/2600 - datum van uitgifte: 01/04/10=20
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The Base MIB contains all the changes that we agreed on.  The issue
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	Title           : CAPWAP Protocol Base MIB
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Editors and Chairs,


While preparing the MIB documents for the IESG telechat next week and
when runing idnits I get the following warning for both documents.

== The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but was
     first submitted before 10 November 2008.  Should you add the
disclaimer?
     (See the Legal Provisions document at
     http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.). 

     trust-12-sep-2009 Section 6.c.iii text:
     "This document may contain material from IETF Documents or IETF
      Contributions published or made publicly available before November
      10, 2008.  The person(s) controlling the copyright in some of this
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Is the tool correct and disclaimers need to be added to both documents?

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Hey, why do not you write? You forgot about me?<br> "I am very unhappy without you, remember me?" It's me, Olga from Russia, Moscow, remember?<br> I'm waiting for you on his page on the Internet, and miss you terribly!<br><br>
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Hello dear, do you remember how we communicated with you?<br> Long ago you could not see, I am Marina - with Russia, do you remember me?<br> "Come to my page - let's talk, I'm waiting!<br><br>
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Hi, I am sad and dreary one - there - In Moscow,<br> I live alone now hooked up the internet, that's looking for someone to talk to,<br> I have a web camera as well as personal page on the internet, come on,<br> help me to remove my sadness.<br><br>
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Please address the issue raised by Alexey.

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Subject: COMMENT: draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib 

Comment:
capwapBaseNtfStationIdList OBJECT-TYPE
    SYNTAX      LongUtf8String (SIZE (6..1024))
    MAX-ACCESS  accessible-for-notify
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "Represents a list of station identifiers separated by
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        "Section 4.6.17. of CAPWAP Protocol Specification, RFC 5415."

Is the section reference correct?
RFC 5415, Section 4.6.17 has title "Decryption Error Report".

    ::= { capwapBaseNotifyVarObjects 6 }

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I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) =

reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see =

http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). =


Please wait for direction from your document shepherd =

or AD before posting a new version of the draft. =


Document: draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08
Reviewer: David L. Black
Review Date: January 17, 2010
IESG Telechat date: January 21, 2010

Summary:
This draft is on the right track, but has open issues, described
in the review.

Comments:
This draft defines a MIB for the CAPWAP protocol.  It also extends
that protocol in support of the MIB, which is an unusual thing to
do in a MIB document.

The authors have resolved all of the other comments from the original
Gen-ART review, but have left this open issue for potential IESG
consideration.  The original Gen-ART review asked:

	Why is Section 9 (CAPWAP Message Element Extension) in a
	MIB draft?  MIB drafts generally do not make changes to the
	protocol that they provide management for.

That is still an open issue.  I suggest that IESG discussion of this
is appropriate - as is the case with IESG Discuss comments, this
suggestion should not be mis-read as an inflexible demand for a change.

idnits 2.11.17 ran clean aside from asking whether a disclaimer for
pre-RFC5378 work is required - such a disclaimer does not appear to
be required.

Thanks,
--David
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Please address the IANA comments.

No new version, please - just a proposal how to address the problem or
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IESG:

IANA NOT OK.  Comments in tracker
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We still need names/descriptors (e.g., "capwapDot11MIB") for the new
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Richard,

Please address the issues raised by Pasi in his DISCUSS.

Thanks and Regards,

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Discuss:
I have reviewed draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08, and have couple of small
questions that I'd like to discuss before recommending approval of the
document:

- The MIB provides a writable object for switching between X.509 certs
and PSK authentication for DTLS.  Since the MIB can't actually configure
the PSK (or X.509 certificate and corresponding private key, for that
matter), is this object actually useful?

- It seems capwapBaseWtpState indicates the AC's CAPWAP FSM state for
each WTP, not the WTP's FSM? (which, at any single point of time, be
slighly different)

- Section 9.1/9.2: it looks like these should be new CAPWAP Message
Element Types, not Vendor Specific Payloads? (and the current text
doesn't say what vendor ID would be used)

- Why is "dns" allowed as capwapBaseWtpStateWtpIpAddressType?  (the AC
obviously sees the IP address the WTP's connection comes from, but not
the DNS name?)

- capwapBaseWtpStateWtpIpAddressType: is this the IP address of the WTP
as seen by the AC, or as sent in the "CAPWAP Local IPv4/6 Address"
message element?

- A question: Did the WG consider including NAT-related information
CapwapBaseWtpStateEntry? For example, whether NAT was detected, and what
the other address (depending on the question above) was?

- capwapBaseMacAclId: this seems to limit the number of ACL entries to
255 -- why? (although RFC 5415 doesn't support sending more than 255 ACL
entries in a single "Add MAC ACL Entry" message element, the AC could
send more than one of those)

- capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpStaticIpType: How would the "ipv4z" type be
used by the CAPWAP protocol? (it doesn't seem to use the zone index in
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The IESG discussed the CAPWAP base MIB in the IESG call today. Adrian
and Russ cleared their DISCUSSes and we are left with the DISCUSS from
Pasi which yet need to be addressed by the editors. The document is in
'revised ID needed' phase. 

I suggest the following course of actions: 

- Editors answer to Pasi's issues, clarify questions and propose edits
- when all edits are agreed with Pasi a revised ID is issued
- Pasi clears and the document is approved. 

There is also a COMMENT from Alexey that requires edits, please address
this as well. 

The dot11mib I son the agenda of the next telechat in two weeks.

Thanks to editors and the whole WG for your efforts until now. 

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young@h3c.com wrote:

>> - The MIB provides a writable object for switching between X.509 certs
>> and PSK authentication for DTLS.  Since the MIB can't actually
>> configure the PSK (or X.509 certificate and corresponding private key,
>> for that matter), is this object actually useful?

> [Richard] I think the configurations such as X.509 certificate
> belong to the configuration of DTLS protocol parameters, DTLS
> protocol should have (I don't know) a MIB corresponding to such
> function, I think such function is out of the scope of CAPWAP base
> MIB.  When operators do such function, he should operate DTLS' MIB.
> For this reason, Base MIB does not offer such interface.  The
> writable object in the Base MIB is only to let operator choose the
> DTLS Authentication policy from CAPWAP tunnel security
> perspective. This operation is from CAWPAP perspective, although
> this MIB object felt lonely in the Base MIB.

I'm still not sure the MIB object is useful. First of all, such DTLS
configuration MIB does not currently exist (and is not even
planned). Second, it hard-codes an assumption that all WTPs connected
to an AC use same type of authentication. The CAPWAP protocol itself
would allow some WTPs so use X.509 and others PSK, so if your AC
implementation supports this, it can't implement this MIB object.

BTW, the same limitation seems to apply to
e.g. capwapBaseDataChannelDTLSPolicyConfig, too -- if your AC supports
configuring DTLS for only some WTPs (perhaps those located in
physically less secure environments), it cannot implement this MIB
object. 

If the WG feels this MIB object is anyway useful, at the very least it
should point out that many ACs may not be able to implement it.

>> - It seems capwapBaseWtpState indicates the AC's CAPWAP FSM state
>> for each WTP, not the WTP's FSM? (which, at any single point of
>> time, be slighly different)
>
> [Richard]
> Yes, capwapBaseWtpState indicates the AC's CAPWAP FSM state for
> each WTP, not the WTP's FSM.  The capwapBaseWtpState is a MIB object
> on the AC.

OK; please clarify the description accordingly.

> >- Section 9.1/9.2: it looks like these should be new CAPWAP Message
> >Element Types, not Vendor Specific Payloads? (and the current text
> >doesn't say what vendor ID would be used)
>
> [Richard] The Section 9.1/9.2 to let those CAPWAP variables
> manageable.  The messages are important.  Yes, the current text
> doesn't say what vendor ID would be used.  Could I put my company's
> ID (now it is H3C which belongs to 3com, would be HP soon since HP
> acquire 3com)? I don't know whether it is a acceptable way.  The
> vendor use their private ID could work, but not a good way.

This is not compatible with the way Vendor Specific Payloads are
defined in RFC 5415: unless the AC is from the same vendor (or
explicitly supports the other vendor's extensions), it cannot
know what Element ID value "1" means (or what the contents are).

Since these payloads are supposed to be work even when the AC and WTP
are from different vendors, they need to be normal message elements.

> > - Why is "dns" allowed as capwapBaseWtpStateWtpIpAddressType?  (the AC
> > obviously sees the IP address the WTP's connection comes from, but not
> > the DNS name?)
>
> [Richard]
> You are correct. "dns"?should be removed.

OK.

>> - capwapBaseWtpStateWtpIpAddressType: is this the IP address of the
>> WTP as seen by the AC, or as sent in the "CAPWAP Local IPv4/6
>> Address" message element?
>
> [Richard]
> In case that a MIB object of InetAddress type is defined,
> one more MIB object of InetAddressType type is required.
> For this reason, the capwapBaseWtpStateWtpIpAddressType is defined.

This does not answer my question: is this the address as seen by the
AC, or the address sent in the message element? (which will be
different if the WTP is behind a NAT)

>> - A question: Did the WG consider including NAT-related information
>> CapwapBaseWtpStateEntry? For example, whether NAT was detected, and
>> what the other address (depending on the question above) was?
>> [Richard]
>
> Yes, CAPWAP has NAT Considerations. But other tunnel protocol
> (suppose GRE or any other example) may also have such function.  I
> think there should have a generic MIB interface (no matter it exists
> or not) Which would offer NAT-related information, while such
> function is not A part of CAPWAP MIB (or other similar tunnel
> protocol).

I disagree. The NAT traversal functionality here is a functionality of
the CAPWAP protocol, and probably cannot be managed by any generic
MIB. 

However, the question I asked was whether this was discussed 
in the WG. Chairs, you do recall?

> >- capwapBaseMacAclId: this seems to limit the number of ACL entries to
> >255 -- why? (although RFC 5415 doesn't support sending more than 255
> >ACL entries in a single "Add MAC ACL Entry" message element, the AC
> >could send more than one of those)
>
> [Richard] You are correct, it is not required to give a scope limit
> to the capwapBaseMacAclId. The editors misunderstood the value 255
> mentioned in the RFC5415.

OK.

>> - capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpStaticIpType: How would the "ipv4z" type
>> be used by the CAPWAP protocol? (it doesn't seem to use the zone
>> index in any way)
>
> [Richard] In fact, I am not sure. Dan, Could you confirm whether
> CAPWAP support it?

OK; looking forward to hearing the answer...

Best regards,
Pasi 

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Subject: FYI: About IANA assignment
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Dear Dan:

Last week, Amanda asked me to give 
ifType labels without hyphens.
I gave reply as followed (under ////)
soon and CC to capwap@frascone, now it is seemed
the msg has not been received by the mailing list.

Wish Amanda already got it.

Regards
Richard


//////////////////////////


Hi, Amanda:

Thanks for your reminder.
The ifType labels without hyphens would be:
1) "name" field for "WLAN BSS Interface" is:
capwapDot11Bss
2) "name" field for " WLAN Profile Interface" is:
capwapDot11Profile
3) "name" field for " WTP Virtual Radio Interface" is:capwapWtpVirtualRadio

Regards
Richard

----- Ô­ÓÊ¼þ -----
´Ó: Amanda Baber <amanda.baber@icann.org>
ÈÕÆÚ: ÐÇÆÚÁù, Ò»ÔÂ 23ÈÕ, 2010 ÉÏÎç4:05
Ö÷Ìâ: Re: About IANA assignment

> Hi,
>
> Can you give us ifType labels without hyphens? Section 7.1.1 of
> RFC 2578 has
> the relevant guidelines:
>
> "A label for a named-number enumeration must consist of one
> or more letters or digits, up to a maximum of 64 characters, and the
> initial character must be a lower-case letter.  (However, labels
> longer than 32 characters are not recommended.)  Note that hyphens
> are not allowed by this specification (except for use by information
> modules converted from SMIv1 which did allow hyphens)."
>
> Thanks,
>
> Amanda Baber
> IANA




´Ó: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>
ÈÕÆÚ: ÐÇÆÚÒ», Ò»ÔÂ 25ÈÕ, 2010 ÏÂÎç8:41
Ö÷Ìâ: RE: [Capwap] About IANA assignment

> Richard's proposals seem fine to me.  If agreed by the WG I 
> suggest that you forward the responses to IANA. 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: young [young@h3c.com] 
> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:58 AM
> > To: capwap@frascone.com
> > Cc: 'Yong Zhang'; iesg@ietf.org
> > Subject: [Capwap] About IANA assignment
> > 
> > Hi, All:
> > 
> > According the IANA opinions:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-ietf-capwap-802do
> > t11-mib/commen
> > t/105019/
> > 
> > The editors give the following comments:
> > For [RFC-capwap-802dot11-mib]
> > 1) "WLAN BSS Interface" needs assignment instead of "WTP 
> > Virtual Radio Interface"
> > 2) Suggest "name" field for "WLAN BSS Interface" is: capwap-dot11Bss
> > 3) Suggest "name" field for " WLAN Profile Interface" is:
> > capwap-dot11Profile
> > 
> > For [RFC- draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08]
> > 1) It needs ifType assignment for the WTP Virtual Radio Interface.
> > 2) Suggest "name" field for " WTP Virtual Radio Interface" is:
> > capwap-virtualRadio. If IANA think the "name" is a bit long, 
> > suggest to use: capwap-vRadio.
> > 
> > 
> > Action #2:
> > Upon approval of this document, IANA will assign the following
> > mib-2 numbers at
> > http://www.iana.org/assignments/smi-numbers
> > 
> > Decimal Name Description Reference
> > ------- | ------------ | ------------------------------- | ------
> ---
> > TDB3 | capwapDot11MIB | Control And Provisioning of Wireless 
> > Access Points |
> > [RFC-capwap-802dot11-mib-05]
> > [Richard} I am ok but not very sure. Dan please check it too, 
> thanks.> 
> > For RFC- draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08, it also needs mib-2 number
> > assignment.
> > 
> > TO WG, we suggest:
> > Suppose in future, CAPWAP WG has more wireless binding MIBs, 
> > it would follow
> > similar Rules like Dot11 binding. 
> > Suppose we have 802.16 binding MIB which needs ifType 
> > assignment, it could
> > use "name" like capwap-dot16xxx.
> > Any way, the interface name should indicate the capwap and a 
> specific> wireless binding.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Richard
> > 
> > -----ÓÊ¼þÔ­¼þ-----
> > ·¢¼þÈË: capwap-request@frascone.com [capwap-request@frascone.com] 
> > ·¢ËÍÊ±¼ä: 2010Äê1ÔÂ21ÈÕ 19:18
> > ÊÕ¼þÈË: capwap@frascone.com
> > Ö÷Ìâ: Capwap Digest, Vol 50, Issue 10
> > 
> > Send Capwap mailing list submissions to
> > 	capwap@frascone.com
> > 
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> > 
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> > 	capwap-owner@frascone.com
> > 
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Capwap digest..."
> > 
> > 
> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. FW: [IANA #293014] Evaluation:
> >       draft-ietf-capwap-802dot11-mib-06.txt toInformational RFC
> >       (Romascanu, Dan (Dan))
> >    2. FW: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib (Romascanu, Dan (Dan))
> > 
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:12:39 +0100
> > From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>
> > Subject: [Capwap] FW: [IANA #293014] Evaluation:
> > 	draft-ietf-capwap-802dot11-mib-06.txt toInformational RFC
> > To: <capwap@frascone.com>
> > Message-ID:
> > 	
> > <EDC652A26FB23C4EB6384A4584434A0401E0B6B6@307622ANEX5.global.a
> > vaya.com>
> > 	
> > Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> > 
> >  Editors,
> > 
> > Please address the IANA comments.
> > 
> > No new version, please - just a proposal how to address the 
> problem or
> > explanation why this is not a problem. 
> > 
> > Thanks and Regards,
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On 
> > Behalf Of
> > Amanda Baber via RT
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:09 PM
> > Cc: iesg@ietf.org
> > Subject: [IANA #293014] Evaluation:
> > draft-ietf-capwap-802dot11-mib-06.txt toInformational RFC 
> > 
> > IESG:
> > 
> > IANA NOT OK.  Comments in tracker
> > IANA Actions - YES
> > 
> > We still need names/descriptors (e.g., "capwapDot11MIB") for the new
> > ifType assignments.
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> > Amanda Baber
> > (On behalf of IANA)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:10:38 +0100
> > From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>
> > Subject: [Capwap] FW: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib
> > To: "young" <young@h3c.com>
> > Cc: capwap@frascone.com, Yong Zhang <yozhang@gmail.com>
> > Message-ID:
> > 	
> > <EDC652A26FB23C4EB6384A4584434A0401E94EF6@307622ANEX5.global.a
> > vaya.com>
> > 	
> > Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> > 
> > Richard,
> > 
> > Please address the issues raised by Pasi in his DISCUSS.
> > 
> > Thanks and Regards,
> > 
> > Dan
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On 
> > Behalf Of
> > Pasi Eronen
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:07 PM
> > To: iesg@ietf.org
> > Cc: capwap-chairs@tools.ietf.org;
> > draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib@tools.ietf.org
> > Subject: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib 
> > 
> > Discuss:
> > I have reviewed draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08, and have 
> > couple of small
> > questions that I'd like to discuss before recommending approval 
> of the
> > document:
> > 
> > - The MIB provides a writable object for switching between X.509 
> certs> and PSK authentication for DTLS.  Since the MIB can't 
> > actually configure
> > the PSK (or X.509 certificate and corresponding private key, for 
> that> matter), is this object actually useful?
> > 
> > - It seems capwapBaseWtpState indicates the AC's CAPWAP FSM 
> state for
> > each WTP, not the WTP's FSM? (which, at any single point of 
> time, be
> > slighly different)
> > 
> > - Section 9.1/9.2: it looks like these should be new CAPWAP Message
> > Element Types, not Vendor Specific Payloads? (and the current text
> > doesn't say what vendor ID would be used)
> > 
> > - Why is "dns" allowed as capwapBaseWtpStateWtpIpAddressType?  
> (the AC
> > obviously sees the IP address the WTP's connection comes from, 
> but not
> > the DNS name?)
> > 
> > - capwapBaseWtpStateWtpIpAddressType: is this the IP address 
> > of the WTP
> > as seen by the AC, or as sent in the "CAPWAP Local IPv4/6 Address"
> > message element?
> > 
> > - A question: Did the WG consider including NAT-related information
> > CapwapBaseWtpStateEntry? For example, whether NAT was 
> > detected, and what
> > the other address (depending on the question above) was?
> > 
> > - capwapBaseMacAclId: this seems to limit the number of ACL 
> entries to
> > 255 -- why? (although RFC 5415 doesn't support sending more 
> > than 255 ACL
> > entries in a single "Add MAC ACL Entry" message element, the AC 
> could> send more than one of those)
> > 
> > - capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpStaticIpType: How would the "ipv4z" 
> type be
> > used by the CAPWAP protocol? (it doesn't seem to use the zone 
> index in
> > any way)
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Comments on two of the points. 

Dan
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com [mailto:Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com] 

> >> - A question: Did the WG consider including NAT-related 
> information 
> >> CapwapBaseWtpStateEntry? For example, whether NAT was 
> detected, and 
> >> what the other address (depending on the question above) was?
> >> [Richard]
> >
> > Yes, CAPWAP has NAT Considerations. But other tunnel 
> protocol (suppose 
> > GRE or any other example) may also have such function.  I 
> think there 
> > should have a generic MIB interface (no matter it exists or 
> not) Which 
> > would offer NAT-related information, while such function is 
> not A part 
> > of CAPWAP MIB (or other similar tunnel protocol).
> 
> I disagree. The NAT traversal functionality here is a 
> functionality of the CAPWAP protocol, and probably cannot be 
> managed by any generic MIB. 
> 
> However, the question I asked was whether this was discussed 
> in the WG. Chairs, you do recall?

I do not remember this having been discussed. 

As now written the CapwapBaseWtpStateEntry presents the WTP information
whatever the topology is NAT-ed or not. This seems to me OK as a
starting point. What Pasi asks if I read correctly is to add columnar
object that describes whether the connection is NAT-ed and what is the
IP address visible from the AC. 

> 
> > >- capwapBaseMacAclId: this seems to limit the number of 
> ACL entries 
> > >to
> > >255 -- why? (although RFC 5415 doesn't support sending 
> more than 255 
> > >ACL entries in a single "Add MAC ACL Entry" message 
> element, the AC 
> > >could send more than one of those)
> >
> > [Richard] You are correct, it is not required to give a 
> scope limit to 
> > the capwapBaseMacAclId. The editors misunderstood the value 255 
> > mentioned in the RFC5415.
> 
> OK.
> 
> >> - capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpStaticIpType: How would the 
> "ipv4z" type be 
> >> used by the CAPWAP protocol? (it doesn't seem to use the 
> zone index 
> >> in any way)
> >
> > [Richard] In fact, I am not sure. Dan, Could you confirm whether 
> > CAPWAP support it?
> 
> OK; looking forward to hearing the answer...

I do not think it's supported, but I would suggest that the protocol
experts confirm this. 


> 
> Best regards,
> Pasi 
> 
> 
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Hi, all:

Kindly do some favour and confirm whether CAPWAP protocol (RFC5415)
Supports IPv4z and IPv6z?

I give some info here from the perspective of MIB related RFCs.
When a MIB defines an Address type object (for example, WTP's address),
it requires to point out its address type (v4, v6 and so on)
RFC4001 already defined TC (InetAddressType) for IP address type, also give
the value list:
    SYNTAX       INTEGER {
                     unknown(0),
                     ipv4(1),
                     ipv6(2),
                     ipv4z(3),
                     ipv6z(4),
                     dns(16)
                 }
When a MIB object is defined with TC InetAddressType, it should specify
Which IP address type (ipv4, or so on) it exactly support.

MY question is: Whether CAPWAP supports the ipv4z and ipv6z?
Please also refer to Pasi's comments to the MIB draft:
////////////
capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpStaticIpType: How would the "ipv4z" type be used by
the CAPWAP protocol? (it doesn't seem to use the zone index in any way)

Could you give some guidance? I appreciate your help.

Regards
Richard

The related content in the RFC4001:
InetAddressType ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
    STATUS      current
    DESCRIPTION
        "A value that represents a type of Internet address.

         unknown(0)  An unknown address type.  This value MUST
                     be used if the value of the corresponding
                     InetAddress object is a zero-length string.
                     It may also be used to indicate an IP address
                     that is not in one of the formats defined
                     below.

         ipv4(1)     An IPv4 address as defined by the
                     InetAddressIPv4 textual convention.

         ipv6(2)     An IPv6 address as defined by the
                     InetAddressIPv6 textual convention.

         ipv4z(3)    A non-global IPv4 address including a zone
                     index as defined by the InetAddressIPv4z
                     textual convention.

         ipv6z(4)    A non-global IPv6 address including a zone
                     index as defined by the InetAddressIPv6z
                     textual convention.

         dns(16)     A DNS domain name as defined by the
                     InetAddressDNS textual convention.

         Each definition of a concrete InetAddressType value must be
         accompanied by a definition of a textual convention for use
         with that InetAddressType.

         To support future extensions, the InetAddressType textual
         convention SHOULD NOT be sub-typed in object type definitions.
         It MAY be sub-typed in compliance statements in order to
         require only a subset of these address types for a compliant
         implementation.

         Implementations must ensure that InetAddressType objects
         and any dependent objects (e.g., InetAddress objects) are
         consistent.  An inconsistentValue error must be generated
         if an attempt to change an InetAddressType object would,
         for example, lead to an undefined InetAddress value.  In



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RFC 4001          Internet Network Address Conventions     February 2005


         particular, InetAddressType/InetAddress pairs must be
         changed together if the address type changes (e.g., from
         ipv6(2) to ipv4(1))."
    SYNTAX       INTEGER {
                     unknown(0),
                     ipv4(1),
                     ipv6(2),
                     ipv4z(3),
                     ipv6z(4),
                     dns(16)
                 }



InetAddressIPv4z ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
    DISPLAY-HINT "1d.1d.1d.1d%4d"
    STATUS       current
    DESCRIPTION
        "Represents a non-global IPv4 network address, together
         with its zone index:

           Octets   Contents         Encoding
            1-4     IPv4 address     network-byte order
            5-8     zone index       network-byte order

         The corresponding InetAddressType value is ipv4z(3).

         The zone index (bytes 5-8) is used to disambiguate identical
         address values on nodes that have interfaces attached to
         different zones of the same scope.  The zone index may contain
         the special value 0, which refers to the default zone for each
         scope.

         This textual convention SHOULD NOT be used directly in object



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RFC 4001          Internet Network Address Conventions     February 2005


         definitions, as it restricts addresses to a specific format.
         However, if it is used, it MAY be used either on its own or in
         conjunction with InetAddressType, as a pair."
    SYNTAX       OCTET STRING (SIZE (8))

InetAddressIPv6z ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION
    DISPLAY-HINT "2x:2x:2x:2x:2x:2x:2x:2x%4d"
    STATUS       current
    DESCRIPTION
        "Represents a non-global IPv6 network address, together
         with its zone index:

           Octets   Contents         Encoding
            1-16    IPv6 address     network-byte order
           17-20    zone index       network-byte order

         The corresponding InetAddressType value is ipv6z(4).

         The zone index (bytes 17-20) is used to disambiguate
         identical address values on nodes that have interfaces
         attached to different zones of the same scope.  The zone index
         may contain the special value 0, which refers to the default
         zone for each scope.

         This textual convention SHOULD NOT be used directly in object
         definitions, as it restricts addresses to a specific format.
         However, if it is used, it MAY be used either on its own or in
         conjunction with InetAddressType, as a pair."
    SYNTAX       OCTET STRING (SIZE (20))


Regards
Richard


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shiyang 00338 wrote:

>> I'm still not sure the MIB object is useful. First of all, such
>> DTLS configuration MIB does not currently exist (and is not even
>> planned). Second, it hard-codes an assumption that all WTPs
>> connected to an AC use same type of authentication. The CAPWAP
>> protocol itself would allow some WTPs so use X.509 and others PSK,
>> so if your AC implementation supports this, it can't implement this
>> MIB object.
>> 
>> BTW, the same limitation seems to apply to
>> e.g. capwapBaseDataChannelDTLSPolicyConfig, too -- if your AC
>> supports configuring DTLS for only some WTPs (perhaps those located
>> in physically less secure environments), it cannot implement this
>> MIB object.
>> 
>> If the WG feels this MIB object is anyway useful, at the very least it
>> should point out that many ACs may not be able to implement it.

> ////////////////////
> [Richard]
> Any way, the configuration of such authentication parameter should
> not be in the scope of CAPWAP MIB (I explained it in the last
> email).  As per Pasi's comments, I agree to remove both
> capwapBaseControlChannelAuthenConfig and
> capwapBaseDataChannelDTLSPolicyConfig.

OK.

>>> [Richard]
>>> Yes, capwapBaseWtpState indicates the AC's CAPWAP FSM state for
>>> each WTP, not the WTP's FSM.  The capwapBaseWtpState is a MIB object
>>> on the AC.
> 
>> OK; please clarify the description accordingly.
>
> //////////
> [Richard]
> The description would be modified:
> capwapBaseWtpStateTable OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX      SEQUENCE OF CapwapBaseWtpStateEntry
>     MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
>     STATUS      current
>     DESCRIPTION
>         "A table of objects that indicate the AC's CAPWAP FSM state
>          for each WTP, and helps the operator to query the WTPs'
>          current
>          configuration."
>     ::= { capwapBaseWtps 2 }
> 
> capwapBaseWtpStateEntry  OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX      CapwapBaseWtpStateEntry
>     MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
>     STATUS      current
>     DESCRIPTION
>         "A set of objects that display the AC's CAPWAP FSM state
>          for each WTP.
>          Also, the operator could query the current configuration
>          of a WTP by using the identifier of the corresponding
>          WTP profile."
>     INDEX { capwapBaseWtpStateWtpId }
>     ::= { capwapBaseWtpStateTable 1 }
> 
> capwapBaseWtpStateEntry  OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX      CapwapBaseWtpStateEntry
>     MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
>     STATUS      current
>     DESCRIPTION
>         "A set of objects that display the AC's CAPWAP FSM state
>          for each WTP.
>          Also, the operator could query the current configuration
>          of a WTP by using the identifier of the corresponding
>          WTP profile."
>     INDEX { capwapBaseWtpStateWtpId }
>     ::= { capwapBaseWtpStateTable 1 }
> 
>     capwapBaseWtpState  OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX      INTEGER {
>                   dtls(1),
>                   join(2),
>                   image(3),
>                   configure(4),
>                   dataCheck(5),
>                   run(6),
>                   reset(7),
>                   dtlsTeardown(8),
>                   unknown(9)
>                 }
>     MAX-ACCESS  read-only
>     STATUS      current
>     DESCRIPTION
>         "Represents the various possible the AC's CAPWAP FSM state
>          for each WTP.
>          The following enumerated values are supported:
>            dtls(1)         - DTLS negotiation states, which include
>                              DTLS setup, authorize, DTLS connect
>            join(2)         - The WTP is joining with the AC
>            image(3)        - The WTP is downloading software
>            configure(4)    - The WTP is getting configuration from
>                              the AC
>            dataCheck(5)    - The AC is waiting for the Data Channel
>                              Keep Alive Packet
>            run(6)          - The WTP enters the running state
>            reset(7)        - The AC transmits a reset request message
>                              to the WTP
>            dtlsTeardown(8) - DTLS session is tear down
>            unknown(9)      - Operator already prepared configuration
>                              for the WTP, while the WTP has not contact
>                              with the AC till now"
>     REFERENCE
>         "Section 2.3.1. of CAPWAP Protocol Specification, RFC 5415."
>     ::= { capwapBaseWtpStateEntry 5 }
> 
> The section 6 also needs change:
>    4) capwapBaseWtpStateTable
>    The WTPs status table is used to indicate the AC's CAPWAP FSM state
>    for each WTP, and helps operator to query WTPs' current
> configuration.

Looks good!

<snip>
(I see there're separate emails about the NAT-related things,
so I'm omitting those from here.)

<snip>
>>> [Richard] You are correct, it is not required to give a scope limit
>>> to the capwapBaseMacAclId. The editors misunderstood the value 255
>>> mentioned in the RFC5415.
>> 
>> OK.
>
> ////////////////
> [Richard]
> the change would be:
> capwapBaseMacAclId OBJECT-TYPE
>     SYNTAX      Unsigned32
>     MAX-ACCESS  not-accessible
>     STATUS      current
>     DESCRIPTION
>         "Represents the unique identifier of an ACL."
>     ::= { capwapBaseMacAclEntry 1 }

Looks good!

Best regards,
Pasi

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Subject: [Capwap] draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08: How about the base MIB draft removes the section 9, and related MIB objects?
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Hi, All:

I have one question here. How about the base MIB draft
(draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08) removes the section 9, 
and related MIB objects?

Before I list the changes the editors intend to make,
I give some background info and reason here.

As you know, in order to make some CAPWAP (RFC5415) variable and 
timer such as DataChannelKeepAlive (MIB draft, section 9)
viewable by SNMP, the base MIB defines some MIB objects to model them.
Although RFC5415 already defines lots of CAPWAP message elements for 
protocol variable and timer, some variables such as DataChannelKeepAlive 
are not there.
To make such variables (like DataChannelKeepAlive) manageable,
the base MIB has to define some messages in the draft section 9 based on 
the Vendor Specific Payload defined in the RFC5415. 
During the IESG review, Pasi raised a question: Which vendor ID would 
be used here? Yes, it is a problem.

But it also gives editors a chance to re-think.
I think the first version (RFC) of this MIB draft should be tight,
and should try to reuse existing MIB modules.
I think the section 9 are important from CAPWAP protocol perspective, 
but from operators perspective, they may not need observe so many 
details of a protocol by MIB module.
Any way, the other more important (key) info such as WTP, station
are already fully defined. The core part of MIB is ready.

This MIB draft is informational and not a standard track.
It has chance to "grow up" when there are more vendors support and more 
feedback from operators. Later, when and if the protocol is revised, some 
new message elements would become part of a revision of RFC5415.
If such message offer such variable and timer, also such info require
MIB support, then we would like add them in future.

It should be clarified:
1) All the MIB objects (corresponding to Section 9)
 to be removed are optional objects in the current MIB draft.
2) Even above MIB objects are removed, the MIB draft still offer lots
of info of CAPWAP variable and timer. See: CAPWAP Base Parameters Group.
It has the capwapBaseAcDataCheckTimer which models the element in the
Section 4.7.4,RFC 5415.

current post:
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08.txt

If WG agree to it, editors suggest the following changes would be made.
1) Remove the section 9 CAPWAP Message Element Extension. BTW, the section
is very independent.
2) Remove the related MIB objects corresponding to the Message elements
in the section 9.
a) In the CapwapBaseWtpTable, it would remove the objects:
capwapBaseWtpMaxDiscoveries, capwapBaseWtpMaxFailedDTLSSessionRetry,
capwapBaseWtpMaxRetransmit, capwapBaseWtpDataChannelKeepAliveTimer,
capwapBaseWtpDataChannelDeadInterval, capwapBaseWtpDiscoveryInterval,
capwapBaseWtpDTLSSessionDeleteTimer, capwapBaseWtpImageDataStartTimer,
capwapBaseWtpRetransmitInterval
b)In the CapwapBaseWtpProfileTable,  it would remove the objects:
capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpSilentInterval, capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpWaitDTLSTimer
3)Since section 8 has a example of above tables, the related text
need to be updated.

Kindly give your comments, thanks a lot.

Regards
Richard


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Dear WG members,

Richard et al are on the threshold of IESG approval of (informational
track) MIB drafts: pending a valid issue raised by IESG (Pasi) to be
cleared up. Below is one of them. Please provide your recommendations or
positions on this query below on the authors' proposal.

You have till Feb 2, 2010 to mail to the list on this matter before we
conclude if the proposal is the one to go with.

Do comment at your earliest convenience without waiting till Feb 2.

Regards,
-mani
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Subject: [Capwap] draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08: How about the base MIB
draft removes the section 9, and related MIB objects?

Hi, All:

I have one question here. How about the base MIB draft
(draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08) removes the section 9, 
and related MIB objects?

Before I list the changes the editors intend to make,
I give some background info and reason here.

As you know, in order to make some CAPWAP (RFC5415) variable and 
timer such as DataChannelKeepAlive (MIB draft, section 9)
viewable by SNMP, the base MIB defines some MIB objects to model them.
Although RFC5415 already defines lots of CAPWAP message elements for 
protocol variable and timer, some variables such as DataChannelKeepAlive

are not there.
To make such variables (like DataChannelKeepAlive) manageable,
the base MIB has to define some messages in the draft section 9 based on

the Vendor Specific Payload defined in the RFC5415. 
During the IESG review, Pasi raised a question: Which vendor ID would 
be used here? Yes, it is a problem.

But it also gives editors a chance to re-think.
I think the first version (RFC) of this MIB draft should be tight,
and should try to reuse existing MIB modules.
I think the section 9 are important from CAPWAP protocol perspective, 
but from operators perspective, they may not need observe so many 
details of a protocol by MIB module.
Any way, the other more important (key) info such as WTP, station
are already fully defined. The core part of MIB is ready.

This MIB draft is informational and not a standard track.
It has chance to "grow up" when there are more vendors support and more 
feedback from operators. Later, when and if the protocol is revised,
some 
new message elements would become part of a revision of RFC5415.
If such message offer such variable and timer, also such info require
MIB support, then we would like add them in future.

It should be clarified:
1) All the MIB objects (corresponding to Section 9)
 to be removed are optional objects in the current MIB draft.
2) Even above MIB objects are removed, the MIB draft still offer lots
of info of CAPWAP variable and timer. See: CAPWAP Base Parameters Group.
It has the capwapBaseAcDataCheckTimer which models the element in the
Section 4.7.4,RFC 5415.

current post:
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08.txt

If WG agree to it, editors suggest the following changes would be made.
1) Remove the section 9 CAPWAP Message Element Extension. BTW, the
section
is very independent.
2) Remove the related MIB objects corresponding to the Message elements
in the section 9.
a) In the CapwapBaseWtpTable, it would remove the objects:
capwapBaseWtpMaxDiscoveries, capwapBaseWtpMaxFailedDTLSSessionRetry,
capwapBaseWtpMaxRetransmit, capwapBaseWtpDataChannelKeepAliveTimer,
capwapBaseWtpDataChannelDeadInterval, capwapBaseWtpDiscoveryInterval,
capwapBaseWtpDTLSSessionDeleteTimer, capwapBaseWtpImageDataStartTimer,
capwapBaseWtpRetransmitInterval
b)In the CapwapBaseWtpProfileTable,  it would remove the objects:
capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpSilentInterval,
capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpWaitDTLSTimer
3)Since section 8 has a example of above tables, the related text
need to be updated.

Kindly give your comments, thanks a lot.

Regards
Richard


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<chair hat=off>

As a former CAPWAP implementor (although I no longer work for that  
company), I think it would be fine to remove section 9 from the MIB  
module.  The rest of the MIB would still be useful for managing a  
CAPWAP system.

</chair>

Margaret


On Jan 27, 2010, at 3:14 AM, young wrote:

> Hi, All:
>
> I have one question here. How about the base MIB draft
> (draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08) removes the section 9,
> and related MIB objects?
>
> Before I list the changes the editors intend to make,
> I give some background info and reason here.
>
> As you know, in order to make some CAPWAP (RFC5415) variable and
> timer such as DataChannelKeepAlive (MIB draft, section 9)
> viewable by SNMP, the base MIB defines some MIB objects to model them.
> Although RFC5415 already defines lots of CAPWAP message elements for
> protocol variable and timer, some variables such as  
> DataChannelKeepAlive
> are not there.
> To make such variables (like DataChannelKeepAlive) manageable,
> the base MIB has to define some messages in the draft section 9  
> based on
> the Vendor Specific Payload defined in the RFC5415.
> During the IESG review, Pasi raised a question: Which vendor ID would
> be used here? Yes, it is a problem.
>
> But it also gives editors a chance to re-think.
> I think the first version (RFC) of this MIB draft should be tight,
> and should try to reuse existing MIB modules.
> I think the section 9 are important from CAPWAP protocol perspective,
> but from operators perspective, they may not need observe so many
> details of a protocol by MIB module.
> Any way, the other more important (key) info such as WTP, station
> are already fully defined. The core part of MIB is ready.
>
> This MIB draft is informational and not a standard track.
> It has chance to "grow up" when there are more vendors support and  
> more
> feedback from operators. Later, when and if the protocol is revised,  
> some
> new message elements would become part of a revision of RFC5415.
> If such message offer such variable and timer, also such info require
> MIB support, then we would like add them in future.
>
> It should be clarified:
> 1) All the MIB objects (corresponding to Section 9)
> to be removed are optional objects in the current MIB draft.
> 2) Even above MIB objects are removed, the MIB draft still offer lots
> of info of CAPWAP variable and timer. See: CAPWAP Base Parameters  
> Group.
> It has the capwapBaseAcDataCheckTimer which models the element in the
> Section 4.7.4,RFC 5415.
>
> current post:
> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-capwap-base-mib-08.txt
>
> If WG agree to it, editors suggest the following changes would be  
> made.
> 1) Remove the section 9 CAPWAP Message Element Extension. BTW, the  
> section
> is very independent.
> 2) Remove the related MIB objects corresponding to the Message  
> elements
> in the section 9.
> a) In the CapwapBaseWtpTable, it would remove the objects:
> capwapBaseWtpMaxDiscoveries, capwapBaseWtpMaxFailedDTLSSessionRetry,
> capwapBaseWtpMaxRetransmit, capwapBaseWtpDataChannelKeepAliveTimer,
> capwapBaseWtpDataChannelDeadInterval, capwapBaseWtpDiscoveryInterval,
> capwapBaseWtpDTLSSessionDeleteTimer, capwapBaseWtpImageDataStartTimer,
> capwapBaseWtpRetransmitInterval
> b)In the CapwapBaseWtpProfileTable,  it would remove the objects:
> capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpSilentInterval,  
> capwapBaseWtpProfileWtpWaitDTLSTimer
> 3)Since section 8 has a example of above tables, the related text
> need to be updated.
>
> Kindly give your comments, thanks a lot.
>
> Regards
> Richard
>
>
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