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[Cbor] Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) WG Virtual Meeting: 2018-12-19 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:26:34 -0000 The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2018-12-19 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC. The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague). Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT Agenda: (No agenda submitted) Information about remote participation: We will use the working group WebEx for the calls. The IETF WebEx account does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), but you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser supports it. WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each call (the details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will serve as reminders). From nobody Mon Dec 3 09:27:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E773130F91; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:27:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: cbor@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154385805016.18300.11622373287376623160@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 09:27:30 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-01-02 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:27:37 -0000 The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2019-01-02 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC. The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague). Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT Agenda: (No agenda submitted) Information about remote participation: We will use the working group WebEx for the calls. The IETF WebEx account does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), but you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser supports it. WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each call (the details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will serve as reminders). From nobody Mon Dec 3 09:28:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39284130F8B; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:27:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: cbor@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154385807220.18320.2570341078052777346@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 09:27:52 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-01-16 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:27:59 -0000 The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2019-01-16 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC. The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague). Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT Agenda: (No agenda submitted) Information about remote participation: We will use the working group WebEx for the calls. The IETF WebEx account does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), but you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser supports it. WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each call (the details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will serve as reminders). From nobody Mon Dec 3 09:28:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956C3130FA0; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:28:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: cbor@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154385808955.18287.6665520449412254199@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 09:28:09 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-01-30 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:28:16 -0000 The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2019-01-30 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC. The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague). Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT Agenda: (No agenda submitted) Information about remote participation: We will use the working group WebEx for the calls. The IETF WebEx account does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), but you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser supports it. WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each call (the details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will serve as reminders). From nobody Mon Dec 3 09:28:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AD5130FCE; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:28:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: cbor@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154385812311.18416.8742408590031738371@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 09:28:43 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-02-13 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:28:50 -0000 The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2019-02-13 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC. The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague). Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT Agenda: (No agenda submitted) Information about remote participation: We will use the working group WebEx for the calls. The IETF WebEx account does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), but you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser supports it. WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each call (the details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will serve as reminders). From nobody Mon Dec 3 09:29:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD65130FC8; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:29:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: cbor@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154385814168.18329.12014518676267478227@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 09:29:01 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-02-27 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:29:09 -0000 The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2019-02-27 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC. The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague). Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT Agenda: (No agenda submitted) Information about remote participation: We will use the working group WebEx for the calls. The IETF WebEx account does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), but you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser supports it. WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each call (the details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will serve as reminders). From nobody Mon Dec 3 09:29:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B580130FDE; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:29:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: cbor@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154385815747.18358.6487807369192782797@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 09:29:17 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-03-13 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 17:29:25 -0000 The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2019-03-13 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC. The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague). Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT Agenda: (No agenda submitted) Information about remote participation: We will use the working group WebEx for the calls. The IETF WebEx account does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), but you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser supports it. WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each call (the details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will serve as reminders). From nobody Tue Dec 18 10:14:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D83A1311DF for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:14:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pCu_U1KjMhZG for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-it1-f173.google.com (mail-it1-f173.google.com [209.85.166.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56C76131193 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-it1-f173.google.com with SMTP id b5so5573964iti.2 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:14:27 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ps6a0xxeP8C9ZQn7lebiqcGgKJtLBEq/sGT+APN4rFA=; b=Vz4s84T+KA86tX0M1f0DjufCZSjtusyrz7WaPXQ8MynIOHqnMFex9TvWT7NRnj7rIe 3J6F7EcBTAsO7eaYQmvcfkjGa1L1pRHgxj4MAJTSsi/m0mbaGCTkDT5nvgdkGsY5bUF7 OwUFQWK+0InCQGPQoftpSyZx1A9bRDOt0Tzmtsxh2XLYlAKzJx0D9b7Wb2hpZ1Czv/oF IDDdvlRJvPfthsjGaQkcxpjQHXI+6fRt0gz3tSH/ohwcdOdBaRWeKFpLLISP8GGff3F4 ij1H2RVhpto2QyopNp9ef5F7mbSYe24wpeMYTMwz7e+YAsZVrL33lfLX5k3giIeQ+1nG neCw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWa1uhWYPY7QVQvs4Sx1g2Qd44ksiKIJCmfhnM/BAnSy2JiReHa+ V67ucFSUFGLW0Tzz2NCJQIw1P7OO3QTi8S5XGI3znwPB X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VJW3dWIrMTWgHwaK9CCcwdzpT+7O9o0injmOpjbBXpYKpCiOJdleIpB5fRoL+sLrmu9IOQVOvkQ37vCFmPBYA= X-Received: by 2002:a02:c81a:: with SMTP id p26mr5518110jao.59.1545156866127; Tue, 18 Dec 2018 10:14:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <345131554.13590.1545156490934.JavaMail.nobody@jva2tc211.webex.com> In-Reply-To: <345131554.13590.1545156490934.JavaMail.nobody@jva2tc211.webex.com> From: Barry Leiba Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: To: cbor@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="00000000000020e266057d4fdea0" Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Webex meeting invitation: CBOR working group conference call for 2018-12-19 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:14:37 -0000 --00000000000020e266057d4fdea0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000020e264057d4fde9e" --00000000000020e264057d4fde9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" A reminder that we have the next CBOR working group teleconference tomorrow, 19 Dec, at 18:00 UTC. The WebEx information is below, and the same information will apply to all meetings. We'll be using these meetings to review working group document status and to make progress on the documents by working on open issues. Future teleconferences are at the same time every second Wednesday until IETF 104: 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 Mar. A reminder or cancellation notice will be posted to the CBOR mailing list before each meeting. Barry, CBOR WG chair ---------- Forwarded message --------- *CBOR working group conference call* Every 2 weeks on Wednesday, from Wednesday, December 19, 2018, to Wednesday, March 13, 2019 6:00 pm | GMT Time (London, GMT) | 1 hr Meeting number (access code): 648 142 591 Meeting password: constrained Add to Calendar When it's time, join the meeting . *Join by phone* *1-650-479-3208 <%2B1-650-479-3208,,*01*648142591%23%23*01*>* Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Can't join the meeting? IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this Webex service allows audio and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not join the session. --00000000000020e264057d4fde9e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A reminder that= we have the next CBOR working group teleconference tomorrow, 19 Dec, at 18= :00 UTC.=C2=A0 The WebEx information is below, and the same information wil= l apply to all meetings.

We'll be using these= meetings to review working group document status and to make progress on t= he documents by working on open issues.=C2=A0 Future teleconferences are at= the same time every second Wednesday until IETF 104: 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27= Feb; 13 Mar.=C2=A0 A reminder or cancellation notice will be posted to the= CBOR mailing list before each meeting.

Barry, CBO= R WG chair

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CBOR working group conference call
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-------------------------------------------------------- CBOR teleconference 19 Dec 2018 Present: Barry Leiba Carsten Bormann Jeffrey Yasskin Paul Hoffman Sebastian Hans Regrets: Francesca Palombini Laurence Lundblade CDDL - Edit has addressed all IESG COMMENTS in his version - One DISCUSS from Eric still outstanding - Paraphrase PEG so no normative reference is needed - Need to confirm that this solves everything CBORbis - About 10 issues and 3 pull requests - Thanks for Jeffrey for his reviews and doing the pull requests - Need to talk about well-formed and valid - Current text explains the difference between the two - Text is changing for rules on validity of tags - New Req=E2=80=99ts proposed: 1. An encoder MUST produce only valid items. 2. A decoder MUST stop and return an error with no data when it encounters an ill-formed item. - Req=E2=80=99t 2 is straightforward, but req=E2=80=99t 1 is problematic =E2=80=A6discussion=E2=80=A6 - Jeffrey to rephrase req=E2=80=99t 1 to make it less problematic - Editorial: do we need =E2=80=9Cill-formed=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cinvalid= =E2=80=9D as formal terms for completeness? - Consensus is no, use =E2=80=9Cnot valid=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cnot well-fo= rmed=E2=80=9D - Editorial: we have to be more specific about what we call components, and avoid terms such as =E2=80=9Cparser=E2=80=9D except in only= the general sense - A number of other editorial improvements=E2=80=A6 - Technical: base64 padding issue; boundaries between basic and extended ty= pes - Outside the draft, need to work on test vectors, especially on failing test vectors - Should we include some of those in the draft as well? - Put technical issues into individual threads on the mailing list - Test vectors may be good fodder for hackathon, with preparation on the list now =E2=80=A6discussion of how to get people involved with this=E2=80=A6 - Carsten will use datatracker to check references to CBOR to get a start on whom to contact - Jeffrey brings up the issue os =E2=80=9Cill-formed=E2=80=9D vs =E2=80=9Cf= atally ill-formed=E2=80=9D (pr #41) - Duplicate map keys, for example=E2=80=A6 discussion of that. Maybe call that =E2=80=9Cnot valid=E2=80=9D, rather than =E2=80=9Cnot well-formed=E2= =80=9D? - Jeffery will start a thread on the mailing list 2 Jan teleconference: cancel because little will happen over the holiday we= eks. -------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Dec 19 10:48:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBBC130F01 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:48:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gZzmpx2-cWcv for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-f49.google.com (mail-ed1-f49.google.com [209.85.208.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 148AC130EEE for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-f49.google.com with SMTP id b14so17838246edt.6 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:48:16 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a3xsTDiPu5OubGGKvgNjOyvhlwO1QRbS4LqFj2GdLPY=; b=UJXTkUQCMa93Au3GM/ulacev9AEMszaxr4MB9n6qrd/BvzW5Kia2FHdKshYISO8YDy gswGV+Z27Ar3bNm4RMGmT9n0GRw0J3nkbYEniWV1DNl0GLiLzXvfpAO2QLekI26Qxt6P UIJwAMR0brj31ML92si5fmix2c78OA6b0ae7qpVDrxoFmZ7xGegrPGVdObVIs/G3HYNu mfyqEpcYAFqiyVCmObW55AMpd8c7wUukzxRJPmNaeEnhTQYGINfq+r1Y8KN+oavWzQmY 3mxiNSORGyCEcYMEcTHvcnv7yrTr4ZnYCG921FMz+ABwVUcUBYsdNzKxo81KurH8PBpJ RejA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWZidFRCXfKvSXVuYrZVdriEXUJPq69X/94pzw846bm8Pmv098Ke F/7TtbNwj0OvTf+zhDYQixKjk8+kKkqbeCjg05joZw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/XhMMbCI7f+9L/HAQ9sTS0EqfkKQPrw/rkPm5KaBqKA6hrOOvFJKeKJgKTzCgZg6BsHDG9A8ymAMlTwec9j0K8= X-Received: by 2002:a50:951a:: with SMTP id u26mr20990695eda.4.1545245295083; Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:48:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <154385805016.18300.11622373287376623160@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <154385805016.18300.11622373287376623160@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Barry Leiba Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:48:03 -0500 Message-ID: To: cbor@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] CBOR WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-01-02 -- CANCELLED X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 18:48:31 -0000 On the teleconference on 19 Dec we decided to cancel the 2 Jan teleconference because nothing substantive is likely to happen during the last two weeks of the year. The next teleconference will be on 16 January, 2019. --=20 Barry On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:28 PM IESG Secretary wr= ote: > > The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor= ) Working Group will hold > a virtual interim meeting on 2019-01-02 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC. > > The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks= through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague). > Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December > Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March > Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT > > Agenda: > (No agenda submitted) > > Information about remote participation: > We will use the working group WebEx for the calls. The IETF WebEx accoun= t does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), bu= t you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also = the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser support= s it. WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each call (the= details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will serve as rem= inders). > > _______________________________________________ > CBOR mailing list > CBOR@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cbor From nobody Fri Dec 21 01:45:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E54612D84D for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 01:45:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4roRzLySl4r for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 01:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D660D1292F1 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 01:45:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost2.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.200.7]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id wBL9jCck029531; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 10:45:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.114] (p54A6C3F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.195.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43LkJ84jttz1Br7; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 10:45:12 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <53088626-564a-f2e6-3c31-62734ae776c8@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 10:45:11 +0100 Cc: cbor@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 567078310.477244-3b5379c5c938aba183b276d3f4273aa4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <57DD9CB1-41A8-4047-88EB-3FB8E6164E6D@tzi.org> References: <804c86fe-ba53-b5f2-16fe-0b655c0b07d8@gmail.com> <464D2525-CD7E-46F7-878C-ACE82C025072@employees.org> <53088626-564a-f2e6-3c31-62734ae776c8@gmail.com> To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] Universal RA option draft - ASN1 and not JSON in specification X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:45:22 -0000 On Dec 18, 2018, at 20:41, Brian E Carpenter = wrote: >=20 > In fact, if your goal is to encode the contents of the kitchen sink, I = can't think of a better solution than CBOR. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Under the heading of "Specific Data Models" in the current draft, the spec = says: * Specific data models can also specify what values (including values o= f different types) are equivalent for the purposes of map keys and encoder = freedom. For example, in the generic data model, a valid map MAY have both = 0 and 0.0 as keys, and an encoder MUST NOT encode 0.0 as an integer (major = type 0, {{majortypes}}). However, if a specific data model declares that f= loating point and integer representations of integral values are equivalent= , using both map keys 0 and 0.0 in a single map would be considered duplica= tes and so invalid, and an encoder could encode integral-valued floats as i= ntegers or vice versa, perhaps to save encoded bytes. I'm concerned this goes too far by contradicting the JSON/JavaScript data m= odel. There simply is no way for an encoder written in JavaScript to d= istinguish between 0.0 and 0. At a higher level, the idea of developing a CBOR specific data model still = strikes me as introducing technical risk. I think I understand the (and a= ppreciate) intent, but if it's going to take a "special data model" for the= most broadly implemented language on earth perhaps we should consider the = wisdom of basing CBOR bis on still uncertain data model. Well tested lan= guage-independent data models exist already, e.g. IDL. Have you considere= d adopting one of them? --_000_MWHPR22MB03363D31F63380861D526ADB92B50MWHPR22MB0336namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Under the heading of “Specific Data ModelsR= 21; in the current draft, the spec says:

 

  • Specific data models can also specif= y what values (including values of different types) are equivalent for the purposes of map keys and encoder freedom. For examp= le, in the generic data model, a valid map MAY have both 0 and 0.0 as keys, and an enc= oder MUST NOT encode 0.0 as an integer (majo= r type 0, {{majortypes}}).  However, if a specific data model declares that floating point and integer representations of int= egral values are equivalent, using both map keys 0 and 0.0 in a single map wou= ld be considered duplicates and so invalid, and an encoder could encode integral-valued floats as integers or vice versa, = perhaps to save encoded bytes.

 

I’m concerned this goes too far by contradicti= ng the JSON/JavaScript data model.      There simp= ly is no way for an encoder written in JavaScript to distinguish between 0.= 0 and 0.  

 

At a higher level, the idea of developing a CBOR spe= cific data model still strikes me as introducing technical risk.  = ; I think I understand the (and appreciate) intent, but if it’s going= to take a “special data model” for the most broadly implemented language on earth perhaps we should consider the wisdom of bas= ing CBOR bis on still uncertain data model.    Well tested l= anguage-independent data models exist already, e.g. IDL.   Have y= ou considered adopting one of them?

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