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Reminder: The next CBOR teleconference is tomorrow, Wednesday, 16 January;
see below.

Webex:
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mfd177b4dfbc5df57d1d3729ec2628e84

Barry

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:29 PM IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
wrote:

> The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor)
> Working Group will hold
> a virtual interim meeting on 2019-01-16 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC.
>
> The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks
> through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague).
> Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December
> Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March
> Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT
>
> Agenda:
> (No agenda submitted)
>
> Information about remote participation:
> We will use the working group WebEx for the calls.  The IETF WebEx account
> does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), but
> you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also
> the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser
> supports it.  WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each
> call (the details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will
> serve as reminders).
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<div><div><div dir=3D"auto">Reminder: The next CBOR teleconference is tomor=
row, Wednesday, 16 January; see below.</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Webex:=C2=A0<div><a href=3D"https://ietf.webex.com/iet=
f/j.php?MTID=3Dmfd177b4dfbc5df57d1d3729ec2628e84">https://ietf.webex.com/ie=
tf/j.php?MTID=3Dmfd177b4dfbc5df57d1d3729ec2628e84</a></div></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Barry</div><div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:29 PM IESG Secretary &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">iesg-secret=
ary@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The Con=
cise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) Working=
 Group will hold<br>
a virtual interim meeting on 2019-01-16 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC.<br>
<br>
The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two weeks t=
hrough the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague).=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December <br>
Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March <br>
Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT<br>
<br>
Agenda:<br>
(No agenda submitted)<br>
<br>
Information about remote participation:<br>
We will use the working group WebEx for the calls.=C2=A0 The IETF WebEx acc=
ount does not allow International dialing nor US toll free (&quot;800&quot;=
 numbers), but you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and =
there&#39;s also the option of connection directly from your browser if you=
r browser supports it.=C2=A0 WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list=
 before each call (the details will be the same for all calls, but the mess=
ages will serve as reminders).<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
CBOR mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:CBOR@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">CBOR@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cbor" rel=3D"noreferrer" t=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)
        Authors         : Carsten Bormann
                          Paul Hoffman
	Filename        : draft-ietf-cbor-7049bis-05.txt
	Pages           : 62
	Date            : 2019-01-15

Abstract:
   The Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) is a data format
   whose design goals include the possibility of extremely small code
   size, fairly small message size, and extensibility without the need
   for version negotiation.  These design goals make it different from
   earlier binary serializations such as ASN.1 and MessagePack.


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A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-cbor-7049bis-05


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Greetings again. The updates in this draft encompass many of the pull 
requests on the WG's GitHub repo at:
    https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis
We don't think any of the diffs will be too controversial, but we are 
certainly open to suggested changes. The biggest changes are in the 
indefinite-length objects and bignums; there are smaller cleanups in 
many other places as well.

There are too looming changes that Jeffrey has submitted as pull 
requests: being clearer about what is ill-formed, and what is valid. 
We'll deal with those (and other newly-opened issues) well before the 
Prague meeting.

--Paul Hoffman


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A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Francesca Palombini, a Chair of the cbor working group.


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Working Group Name: Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions
Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area
Session Requester: Francesca Palombini

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 50
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: artarea dispatch secdispatch saag extra jmap uta dmarc iasa2 core ace t2trg cose
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People who must be present:
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  Francesca Palombini

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Special Requests:
  Please avoid conflict with ART and IoT-related BoFs

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Sorry; I sent an old WebEx link.  I've corrected it below, and here:

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> Webex:
> https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmf31b8e63cfd354ca8461b998aa30c4b=
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> Barry
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> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 12:29 PM IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> =
wrote:
>>
>> The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbo=
r) Working Group will hold
>> a virtual interim meeting on 2019-01-16 from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC.
>>
>> The CBOR working group will have conference calls running every two week=
s through the end of March (until IETF 104 in Prague).
>> Day: every other Wednesday beginning on 19 December
>> Dates: 19 Dec; 2, 16, 30 Jan; 13, 27 Feb; 13 March
>> Time: 18:00 to 19:00 UT
>>
>> Agenda:
>> (No agenda submitted)
>>
>> Information about remote participation:
>> We will use the working group WebEx for the calls.  The IETF WebEx accou=
nt does not allow International dialing nor US toll free ("800" numbers), b=
ut you can use the WebEx app to connect your device audio, and there's also=
 the option of connection directly from your browser if your browser suppor=
ts it.  WebEx details will be sent to the mailing list before each call (th=
e details will be the same for all calls, but the messages will serve as re=
minders).
>>
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These two issues are based on reading the area around the diffs and not on a
full reading of the document.  I plan to do that some time in the next 3
weeks.

1.  Having pulled the fact that a start for indefinite encoding is no longer
before the definition of "break", I kept finding this a pain as I wanted to
know how to start at the same time that finish is being documented.  I do
realize that this is in both of the following sections but still found it
jarring.

2.  I found the entire paragraph on how ending of False, etc. very
confusing.  I especially did not know what the rule was going to be for
dealing with simple values from 32 and up as these are two-byte sequences.
I think the entire paragraph could be more simply specified as saying that
all simple values must be encoded in the minimal number of bytes and say
that a decode MUST treat encodings which are not of minimal length as being
errors.  I think do not have the problem of how to encode simple value 32 as
0xf820 is well understood as being the one and only encoding.

3.  I am not sure how to react to the following potentially contradictory
statements:
    * The data model says that bignum and integer encodings are distinct for
the generic data model.  (para #1 section 3.4.3)
   * The preferred encoding for small bignum values is as integers and not
as bignum values.  (para #2)
   This means that if for some reason I want to use bignums as the keys then
I need to violate one of those two suggestions.  I don't think that this
would be a good idea but is may want to be clarified.

4.  The re-write of the last paragraph in section 3.4.6.2 had me looking for
the sentence that dealt with the third tag for padding purposes.  This was
not really discordant in the old text because only one item was dealt with,
but for the new text two out of three items are dealt with and thus it
appears that one of them is missing.

Jim



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J=C3=B6rg Richter has suggested defining a CBOR Tag for error =
indications, beyond what the =E2=80=9Cundefined=E2=80=9D simple value =
can already do.
I have helped a bit in writing this up.
Maybe we can have a quick sanity check before we ask IANA to register =
this Tag.
(The suggested value will be 101, ASCII =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 for error, =
exception.)

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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varying<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;levels of detail.<br class=3D""><br =
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I like it.  One thing I would suggest is if a map is used, that a couple =
of keys are suggested, but not required:

{
  name: "maybe-a-uri-or-classname",
  code: 404, // HTTP-style error code
  message: "human-readable description",
  fileName: "file where error occurred"
  lineNumber: 12, // line in file where error occurred
  columnNumber: 6 // column in file where error occurred
}

This should get a bunch of error patterns to interoperate quickly, =
including most things derived from JavaScript's Error class.

> On Jan 29, 2019, at 3:27 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>=20
> J=C3=B6rg Richter has suggested defining a CBOR Tag for error =
indications, beyond what the =E2=80=9Cundefined=E2=80=9D simple value =
can already do.
> I have helped a bit in writing this up.
> Maybe we can have a quick sanity check before we ask IANA to register =
this Tag.
> (The suggested value will be 101, ASCII =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 for error, =
exception.)
>=20
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>=20
>=20
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>=20
>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
>> Subject: I-D Action: draft-richter-cbor-error-tag-00.txt
>> Date: January 29, 2019 at 11:22:56 GMT+1
>> To: <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
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>>=20
>>=20
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
>>=20
>>=20
>>        Title           : Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) =
Tag for Error Indications
>>        Authors         : Joerg Richter
>>                          Carsten Bormann
>> 	Filename        : draft-richter-cbor-error-tag-00.txt
>> 	Pages           : 4
>> 	Date            : 2019-01-29
>>=20
>> Abstract:
>>   The Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, RFC 7049) is a data
>>   format whose design goals include the possibility of extremely =
small
>>   code size, fairly small message size, and extensibility without the
>>   need for version negotiation.
>>=20
>>   In CBOR, one point of extensibility is the definition of CBOR tags.
>>   While CBOR defines representations for null values and for an
>>   undefined value, there is no convention for expressing errors or
>>   exceptions in data structures, where the actual value desired could
>>   not be calculated due to an error.  The present specification =
defines
>>   a tag for such error indications, enabling the addition of varying
>>   levels of detail.
>>=20
>>=20
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richter-cbor-error-tag/
>>=20
>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-richter-cbor-error-tag-00
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-richter-cbor-error-tag-00
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On Jan 30, 2019, at 10:00, Richter, J=C3=B6rg <Joerg.Richter@pdv-FS.de> =
wrote:
>=20
> =46rom reading the archives I get the impression that simple values < =
32=20
> should always use the short encoding.

Actually, < 24, because there is no way to use a single-byte encoding =
otherwise.
=20
> But Appendix A has an example for =E2=80=9C0xf818=E2=80=9D which =
decodes to simple(24).
> I think this should be removed in this case.

Actually, it probably should be simple(32) or 0xf820:
Table 2 says:

                       | 24..31  | (Reserved)      |

because the text in front of it says about the two-byte encoding:
   [=E2=80=A6]  (To minimize confusion, only the values 32 to 255 are
   used.)  [=E2=80=A6]

This is clearly in invalid example, thank you for noting this.
Now issue #53:

https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/issues/53
=20
> BTW: Is there a collection of =E2=80=9Ccorrupt=E2=80=9D CBOR messages =
that must produce
> a decode error?

We have talked about this:

https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/issues/16

But so far nobody has started collecting instances.
Do you have some we could start with?
I was planning to scan some of the open source CBOR packages for tests =
of failing decoding.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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On Jan 29, 2019, at 17:52, Joe Hildebrand <jhildebrand@mozilla.com> =
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> a couple of keys are suggested

The -01 I just submitted has those.
Please have a look at the slightly shortened keys and in particular at =
the discussion of the =E2=80=9CfileName=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6

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On Jan 30, 2019, at 13:54, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:
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Right.  It seems that the plan was to discuss CDDL today (there was =
little progress on CBORbis), but the last week of the term got me.

So the only proposal I have for an agenda point for today is to quickly =
check up on the error tag =E2=80=94 we are not chartered to do this, but =
it would be nice to get this right quickly.

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+1.  Great addition.  I don't mind "source" over "file".  That makes it =
clear enough that you could put a (potentially relative) URI there if =
desired.

I also really like the security considerations.

typo of "reallu" in section 2.


> On Jan 30, 2019, at 8:51 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
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> On Jan 29, 2019, at 17:52, Joe Hildebrand <jhildebrand@mozilla.com> =
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>> a couple of keys are suggested
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https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-richter-cbor-error-tag-01.txt
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Fantastic.  I already see a couple of places I need to check from this.  =
PR to the test-vectors project here:

https://github.com/cbor/test-vectors/pull/5

That's just a quick JSONification of your list.


> On Jan 30, 2019, at 5:55 AM, Richter, J=C3=B6rg =
<Joerg.Richter@pdv-FS.de> wrote:
>=20
>>> BTW: Is there a collection of =E2=80=9Ccorrupt=E2=80=9D CBOR =
messages that must produce
>>> a decode error?
>>=20
>> We have talked about this:
>>=20
>> https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/issues/16
>>=20
>> But so far nobody has started collecting instances.
>> Do you have some we could start with?
>> I was planning to scan some of the open source CBOR packages for =
tests of
>> failing decoding.
>=20
> Okay. I've been thinking about it for a while.
>=20
> One set of test cases can be easily constructed from valid test cases.=20=

> Just decode a prefix of a valid test case and the decoder should fail =
with=20
> an "end of message" error.  Just generate them during normal testing.
>=20
> I think a second set of failing test cases can be constructed by just=20=

> considering which CBOR prefixes are invalid. This test cases should of =
course=20
> fail with a different error than "end of message".
>=20
> I wrote and attached a simple Lua script to generate all invalid 1 and =
2 byte=20
> prefixes.
>=20
> This script outputs 578 test cases.  Also attached.
>=20
> Another set of test cases can be constructed when using tags.  But I =
think
> this is more involved and not clearly defined.  But I might be wrong.
> Consider for example a bigfloat. Is it allowed that the array elements =
themselves
> are using a tag? =20
>=20
> Or what if a tag is followed by an element that is not allowed for =
this tag. =20
> Like following a tag for a set (tag=3D258) with a string instead of an =
array?  Should this=20
> cause a decode error?
>=20
> Or is it allowed that Tag 55799 (0xd9d9f7) is the only content of a =
CBOR file?
>=20
> - J=C3=B6rg
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- The Indefinite-Length encoding is used for major type 0, 1, 6, or 7.

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https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/17 deletes that (non-normative)
section entirely in favor of saying it at the top of section 3 (
https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/17/files#diff-1db0e3aacf579921911de=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/17">htt=
ps://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/17</a>=C2=A0deletes that (non-normativ=
e) section entirely in favor of saying it at the top of section 3 (<a href=
=3D"https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/17/files#diff-1db0e3aacf5799219=
11ded2cd0e6e4f5R433">https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/17/files#diff-=
1db0e3aacf579921911ded2cd0e6e4f5R433</a>).<br><div><br></div><div>Jeffrey</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Hildebrand &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:j=
hildebrand@mozilla.com">jhildebrand@mozilla.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">J=C3=B6rg&#39;s test cases p=
ointed out a bullet point that we might want to add to section 4.3.2.<br>
<br>
- The Indefinite-Length encoding is used for major type 0, 1, 6, or 7.<br>
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Sorry, just 0, 1, or 6.  MT 7 with Indefinite Encoding is FF or "Break".

> On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Joe Hildebrand <jhildebrand@mozilla.com> =
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> J=C3=B6rg's test cases pointed out a bullet point that we might want =
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> - The Indefinite-Length encoding is used for major type 0, 1, 6, or 7.
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You mean the opposite? It is used for 2,3,4 and 5.

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Sorry, just 0, 1, or 6.  MT 7 with Indefinite Encoding is FF or "Break".

> On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Joe Hildebrand <jhildebrand@mozilla.com> wro=
te:
>
> J=F6rg's test cases pointed out a bullet point that we might want to add =
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> - The Indefinite-Length encoding is used for major type 0, 1, 6, or 7.
>
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Yes.  I meant it is *invalid* for 0, 1, or 6.

> On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:46 PM, Richter, J=C3=B6rg =
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> You mean the opposite? It is used for 2,3,4 and 5.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:55 AM Richter, J=C3=B6rg <Joerg.Richter@pdv-fs.de=
>
wrote:

> Another set of test cases can be constructed when using tags.  But I thin=
k
> this is more involved and not clearly defined.  But I might be wrong.
> Consider for example a bigfloat. Is it allowed that the array elements
> themselves
> are using a tag?
>
> Or what if a tag is followed by an element that is not allowed for this
> tag.
> Like following a tag for a set (tag=3D258) with a string instead of an
> array?  Should this
> cause a decode error?
>

<https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/18>
https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/18 tries to specify which contents
for tags are valid, and https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/17 says
that generic decoders don't necessarily reject invalid-but-well-formed data=
.

Or is it allowed that Tag 55799 (0xd9d9f7) is the only content of a CBOR
> file?
>

No, because any well-formed tag contains another CBOR item.

Jeffrey

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:55 AM Richter, =
J=C3=B6rg &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Joerg.Richter@pdv-fs.de">Joerg.Richter@pdv-=
fs.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Another set of test cases can be construct=
ed when using tags.=C2=A0 But I think<br>
this is more involved and not clearly defined.=C2=A0 But I might be wrong.<=
br>
Consider for example a bigfloat. Is it allowed that the array elements them=
selves<br>
are using a tag?=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
Or what if a tag is followed by an element that is not allowed for this tag=
.=C2=A0 <br>
Like following a tag for a set (tag=3D258) with a string instead of an arra=
y?=C2=A0 Should this <br>
cause a decode error?<br></blockquote><a href=3D"https://github.com/cbor-wg=
/CBORbis/pull/18"><br class=3D"gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"></a><div><a=
 href=3D"https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/18">https://github.com/cbo=
r-wg/CBORbis/pull/18</a>=C2=A0tries to specify which contents for tags=C2=
=A0are valid, and=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/1=
7">https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/17</a>=C2=A0says that generic de=
coders don&#39;t necessarily reject invalid-but-well-formed data.</div><div=
><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Or is it allowed that Tag 55799 (0xd9d9f7) is the only content of a CBOR fi=
le?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, because any well-formed tag con=
tains another CBOR item.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeffrey</div><div></div><=
/div></div>

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I had of course some mistakes in my script. Attached is the fixed=20
version with now only 568 test cases.
Every other single- and two-byte message should fail with=20
"end of message" or should succeed with decoding.

Note that it is important to differentiate the failures into=20
"end of message" and something else. The attached list=20
contains only the other failures.

I am fairly sure that most, if not all, possible decoder problems=20
for invalid CBOR should be found with this list. CBOR is so simple,=20
that all possible problems can be triggered with the first two=20
bytes of an element.=20
This does not apply to decoders that, for example, run through=20
different code paths for map elements than for the root element.=20
But a straight forward recursive decoder would use the same code path.

- J=F6rg

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Addional to the already proposed error-tag I need some more tags
to represent our data.
I am not sure if I am able to write new drafts like the error-draft myself=
=20
alone and doing all the necessary paperwork to submit it. Or whatever
is required.
Thanks again to Carsten who helped me kindly with the error-draft.

I think it would be wrong to expect so much help with the next tags.
Therefore I would be pleased about suggestions or how-to's to get=20
this tags standardized. But if someone wants to lend me a helping=20
hand, I am of course not against it either.

For now I see a need for this new tags:

* ISO8601-Date "YYYY-MM-DD" or days since 1970-01-01
* ISO8601-Time of day "hh:mm[:ss[.f*]]" or (fractional) seconds since 00:00
* IANA Time zone (https://www.iana.org/time-zones) represented as string
* Currency (ISO 4217) represented as string ("USD"/"EUR"/...) or number (84=
0/978/...)
* Money amount represented as 2-array of quantity + currency-string or curr=
ency-number
  - quantity should allow every possible number coding. Including decimal f=
ractions and rationals.

Or are there already some tags for this use-cases I may have overlooked?

- J=F6rg


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On Thursday, 31 January 2019 05:39:31 PST Richter, J=F6rg wrote:
> * ISO8601-Date "YYYY-MM-DD" or days since 1970-01-01
> * ISO8601-Time of day "hh:mm[:ss[.f*]]" or (fractional) seconds since 00:=
00
> * IANA Time zone (https://www.iana.org/time-zones) represented as string
> * Currency (ISO 4217) represented as string ("USD"/"EUR"/...) or number
> (840/978/...) * Money amount represented as 2-array of quantity +
> currency-string or currency-number - quantity should allow every possible
> number coding. Including decimal fractions and rationals.
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> Or are there already some tags for this use-cases I may have overlooked?

Date tags already exist. I suppose the one for ISO date/time could be exten=
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to allow just dates, unless you specifically need to differentiate dates fr=
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date/times. But since you appear to need times too separate from date/time,=
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for completeness it may be good to support dates separately too.

When writing your specification for money quantities, please write down whi=
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representations you expect implementations to support in all cases, leaving=
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the others as optionals. I expect you may need to name decimal fractions as=
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mandatory and implementations will need to know that.

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Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com
  Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center



