From nobody Tue Oct 1 07:01:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC1612011F; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:01:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags@ietf.org, Francesca Palombini , cbor-chairs@ietf.org, francesca.palombini@ericsson.com, cbor@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.103.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <156993848956.23703.4221075124549745771.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 07:01:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 14:01:37 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 1.1. Per “this document uses the notation familiar from the programming language C” and subsequent reference in Section 3.1, please provide a reference to the relevant C standard. Section 3.2. Please provide a reference for a version of C++. Section 8.2. Per [TypedArray], please provide a URL or more complete citation From nobody Tue Oct 1 07:46:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4764412082C; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:46:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U94qbjT-l8cR; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E22CF120815; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.159.97.60] (ewa_guest_internet_sthlm_nat2.ericsson.net [192.176.1.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46jMY36W62z17RS; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 16:46:47 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <156993848956.23703.4221075124549745771.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 16:46:47 +0200 Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags@ietf.org, Francesca Palombini , cbor-chairs@ietf.org, cbor@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 591634005.49386-79de58881556285d5384f18fe4309e57 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <156993848956.23703.4221075124549745771.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Roman Danyliw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 14:46:52 -0000 Hi Roman, > On Oct 1, 2019, at 16:01, Roman Danyliw via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Section 1.1. Per =E2=80=9Cthis document uses the notation familiar = from the > programming language C=E2=80=9D and subsequent reference in Section = 3.1, please provide > a reference to the relevant C standard. >=20 > Section 3.2. Please provide a reference for a version of C++. Good points. Now in = https://github.com/cbor-wg/array-tags/commit/ee36dae682028e19abd162a81b0ad= b768d703140 >=20 > Section 8.2. Per [TypedArray], please provide a URL or more complete = citation This is a historical reference which unfortunately no longer resolves. It is too bad that historical references cannot be qualified as such in = the RFC format. I wouldn=E2=80=99t mind to erase this part of history from the draft if = historical references of this kind are not acceptable. (Another example of this reference is at = https://www.khronos.org/registry/webgl/specs/1.0.2/#refsTYPEDARRAYS .) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Oct 1 07:53:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58F1120860; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cFLhjURPZ6-C; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A817D1208B5; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.159.97.60] (ewa_guest_internet_sthlm_nat2.ericsson.net [192.176.1.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46jMhq6qxkzytB; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 16:53:31 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 16:53:31 +0200 Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags@ietf.org, Francesca Palombini , cbor-chairs@ietf.org, cbor@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 591634408.71386-ccf49de27f731c21989cdbaae2538cd7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <921C0C9E-CDFC-481F-BCC5-9AB7DBD36425@tzi.org> References: <156993848956.23703.4221075124549745771.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Roman Danyliw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 14:53:36 -0000 On Oct 1, 2019, at 16:46, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > This is a historical reference which unfortunately no longer resolves. With archive.org, it does: = https://web.archive.org/web/20110207024413/http://www.khronos.org/registry= /typedarray/specs/latest/ Should we go for that? 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Tue, 1 Oct 2019 23:51:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Adam Roach via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags@ietf.org, Francesca Palombini , cbor-chairs@ietf.org, francesca.palombini@ericsson.com, cbor@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.104.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Adam Roach Message-ID: <156999906684.8941.8777149592272277658.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 23:51:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Adam Roach's Yes on draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 06:51:07 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- §2.1: > | s | 0 for unsigned integer or float, 1 for signed integer | This is a very minor comment, since it is clear from the remainder of the document, but this would be a bit easier to read as "0 for float or unsigned integer, 1 for signed integer" (thereby making it clear that "unsigned" is not intended to apply to "float"). From nobody Wed Oct 2 01:09:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDED120826; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 01:09:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JkKpCudQ7LuR; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 01:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2B3F12082C; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 01:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.159.97.60] (ewa_guest_internet_sthlm_nat2.ericsson.net [192.176.1.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46jphF01NTz10fT; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:09:32 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <156999906684.8941.8777149592272277658.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:09:32 +0200 Cc: The IESG , cbor@ietf.org, draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags@ietf.org, cbor-chairs@ietf.org, francesca.palombini@ericsson.com X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 591696570.341424-7fa198e5bb487c4088f9b65caa9a644f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <433C32F9-9351-4628-8EF9-4E193FA5394A@tzi.org> References: <156999906684.8941.8777149592272277658.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Adam Roach X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] Adam Roach's Yes on draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 08:09:38 -0000 Hi Adam, > On Oct 2, 2019, at 08:51, Adam Roach via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: Yes >=20 > [=E2=80=A6] >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > =C2=A72.1: >=20 >> | s | 0 for unsigned integer or float, 1 for signed integer | >=20 > This is a very minor comment, since it is clear from the remainder of = the > document, but this would be a bit easier to read as "0 for float or = unsigned > integer, 1 for signed integer" (thereby making it clear that = "unsigned" is not > intended to apply to =E2=80=9Cfloat"). Thank you! This is now = https://github.com/cbor-wg/array-tags/commit/b244169ec6f922d8cdb2ef829b633= 4f930abbad7 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Oct 2 01:12:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E8712085F; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 01:12:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JUNZCVNAGRwO; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 01:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AB4E120857; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 01:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.159.97.60] (ewa_guest_internet_sthlm_nat2.ericsson.net [192.176.1.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46jpl065R9z10fT; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:11:56 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 10:11:56 +0200 Cc: "cbor@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags@ietf.org" , The IESG , Francesca Palombini , "cbor-chairs@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 591696714.738698-85e3ad84ac9595a0b1719a7bfe349962 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <921C0C9E-CDFC-481F-BCC5-9AB7DBD36425@tzi.org> To: Roman Danyliw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 08:12:11 -0000 On Oct 2, 2019, at 01:20, Roman Danyliw wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> = https://web.archive.org/web/20110207024413/http://www.khronos.org/registry= /typedarray/specs/latest/ >>=20 >> Should we go for that? >=20 > That would work for me. It=E2=80=99s an informative reference so I = don=E2=80=99t see an issue. Now = https://github.com/cbor-wg/array-tags/commit/3e85dd9a4fcf5b54923506a802502= cc289ff7314 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Oct 2 01:21:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00D8120025; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 01:21:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: cbor@ietf.org, cbor-chairs@ietf.org, francesca.palombini@ericsson.com, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.104.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157000448777.8860.5048494150368778611.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 01:21:27 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] cbor - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 106 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 08:21:28 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Francesca Palombini, a Chair of the cbor working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Francesca Palombini Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: saag ace core lamps cose lake Technology Overlap: rats suit teep lwig 6tisch 6lo anima t2trg lpwan Key Participant Conflict: cfrg emu tls secdispatch oauth artarea loops roll sacm dots dnsop People who must be present: Carsten Bormann Alexey Melnikov Jim Schaad Francesca Palombini Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please avoid collision with any Sec and IoT-related BoFs. 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Wed, 2 Oct 2019 11:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <156986975771.502.11307283771427797323.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 11:20:16 +0200 Cc: The IESG , cbor@ietf.org, draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags@ietf.org, cbor-chairs@ietf.org, francesca.palombini@ericsson.com X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 591700814.247027-75873898cd41bc3f0a840f7240a854ec Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <156986975771.502.11307283771427797323.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Benjamin Kaduk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 09:20:21 -0000 On Sep 30, 2019, at 20:55, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: No Objection > [=E2=80=A6] >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Section 3.1.2 >=20 > I don't think we can get away with defining column-major order > implicitly by example and comparison to row-major order. This is > particularly poingiant given that we do not limit ourselves to > two-dimensional arrays. The text does say: Data Item: : as with tag 40, except that the data in the second array consists of consecutive values where the first dimension is considered contiguous (column-major order). Should we also say that the intermediate dimensions are handled in the = same order? =20 We don=E2=80=99t say that for row-major, but we could add it there, too, = e.g. by providing a multi-dimensional example. We could also reference = (a specific version of) the Wikipedia article = (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row-_and_column-major_order)=E2=80=A6 > Section 7 >=20 > I'm not sure that I understand the scenariao described by "an attacker > might substitute a Uint8ClampedArray" and how an application would get > unexpected processing semantics, but the general sentiment it = indicates of > "applications need to verify any expectations they have" seems = important > to cover. The observation is that if the attacker gets to choose aspects of a data = structure that is then ingested into and used within the soft belly of = the application, this can give the attacker some leverage to influence = the processing in an unintended way. This is already true when the = attacker can substitute an array for a hash (dictionary, map, object), = but this is reasonably well known. Uint8ClampedArray is the same in = principle, but might be surprising as it is more likely to be unfamiliar = to people just expecting (and validating) the presence of an array. > Section 8.2 >=20 > I couldn't find a document to go with [TypedArray]; the one > promising-looking search result ended up just redirecting me to > [TypedArrayES6]. Right. 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Carsten, thanks for addressing Elwyn=E2=80=99= s comments. I entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Sep 25, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > Hi Elwyn, >=20 > thank you for these comments. > These are now addressed in the editor=E2=80=99s copy on github, = specifically in > = https://github.com/cbor-wg/array-tags/commit/f63c0301c481ab773c16b96a9b0eb= 63456554049 = > Details below. >=20 >> On Sep 6, 2019, at 21:33, Elwyn Davies via Datatracker = wrote: >>=20 >> Reviewer: Elwyn Davies >> Review result: Ready with Nits >>=20 >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed >> by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just >> like any other last call comments. >>=20 >> For more information, please see the FAQ at >>=20 >> . >>=20 >> Document: draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07 >> Reviewer: Elwyn Davies >> Review Date: 2019-09-06 >> IETF LC End Date: 2019-09-05 >> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >>=20 >> Summary: >> Ready with a couple of nits. Apologies for slightly late delivery. >>=20 >> Major issues: >> None >>=20 >> Minor issues: >> None >>=20 >> Nits/editorial comments: >> s1, para 2: s/have received/has received/ >>=20 >> s1, para 3: s/This also can/This can also/ >>=20 >> s1.1, last para: s/whether that/as to whether that/ >=20 > I put these in (oops, missed one, now in = https://github.com/cbor-wg/array-tags/commit/4490e8b6f9f157779783f645c2c4e= e6f9e749f74 = ). >=20 >>=20 >> s2.1, 2nd para after Table 2 (top of page 5): >> OLD: >> It can be computed >> inversely to the previous formula from the length of the byte = string >> in bytes: "bytelength >> (f + ll)". >> NEW: >> It can be computed from the length of the byte string comprising = the >> representation of the array by inverting the previous formula: = "bytelength >>>> (f + ll)". >> ENDS >=20 > This misses the =E2=80=9Cin bytes=E2=80=9D, which may be obvious to = many, but should be said. > Now: >=20 > It can be > computed from the length, in bytes, of the byte string comprising the > representation of the array by inverting the previous formula: > `bytelength >> (f + ll)`. >=20 >> s2.1: The terms endianness, big endian and litle endian are jargon, = if pretty >> well known jargon, but I don't know if they are considered to be = adequately >> well understood to avoid the need for a reference or an explanation = of what is >> meant. >=20 > Very good point; we sometimes get too mired in our jargon. >=20 > Now at the end of the terminology section: >=20 > The terms "big endian" and "little endian" are used to indicate a most > significant byte first (MSB first) representation of integers, and a > least significant byte first (LSB first) representation, respectively. >=20 > I think we can tolerate the one occurrence of =E2=80=9Cendianness=E2=80=9D= before that, as that is just in a list of examples. >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art = --Apple-Mail=_AF1D0EC6-7846-4ECA-9416-978C27FF5D81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Elwyn, thanks for your review. Carsten, thanks for addressing = Elwyn=E2=80=99s comments. I entered a No Objection ballot.

Alissa


On Sep 25, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Carsten Bormann = <cabo@tzi.org> = wrote:

Hi Elwyn,

thank you for these = comments.
These are now = addressed in the editor=E2=80=99s copy on github, specifically = in
https://github.com/cbor-wg/array-tags/commit/f63c0301c481ab773c= 16b96a9b0eb63456554049
Details below.

On Sep 6, 2019, at 21:33, Elwyn = Davies via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:

Reviewer: Elwyn Davies
Review result: Ready = with Nits

I am the assigned Gen-ART = reviewer for this draft. The General Area
Review Team = (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed
by = the IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please treat these comments just
like any other last call comments.

For more information, please see the FAQ at

<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/gen/wiki/GenArtfaq>.

Document: draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07
Reviewer: Elwyn Davies
Review Date: = 2019-09-06
IETF LC End Date: 2019-09-05
IESG = Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat

Summary:
Ready with a couple of nits. =  Apologies for slightly late delivery.

Major issues:
None

Minor issues:
None

Nits/editorial comments:
s1, para 2: s/have = received/has received/

s1, para 3: s/This = also can/This can also/

s1.1, last para: = s/whether that/as to whether that/

I put these in (oops, missed = one, now in https://github.com/cbor-wg/array-tags/commit/4490e8b6f9f1577797= 83f645c2c4ee6f9e749f74 ).

s2.1, 2nd para after Table 2 (top of page 5):
OLD:
    It can be = computed
    inversely to the previous = formula from the length of the byte string
    in bytes: "bytelength >> (f + = ll)".
NEW:
    It can be = computed from the length of the byte string comprising the
    representation of the array by = inverting the previous formula: "bytelength
(f + = ll)".
ENDS

This misses the =E2=80=9Cin bytes=E2=80=9D, which may be = obvious to many, but should be said.
Now:

It can be
computed from the length, in bytes, of the byte string = comprising the
representation of the array by inverting the previous = formula:
`bytelength = >> (f + ll)`.

s2.1: The terms endianness, big = endian and litle endian are jargon, if pretty
well known = jargon, but I don't know if they are considered to be adequately
well understood to avoid the need for a reference or  an = explanation of what is
meant.
Very good point; we sometimes = get too mired in our jargon.

Now at the end of the terminology section:

The terms "big endian" and = "little endian" are used to indicate a most
significant byte first (MSB = first) representation of integers, and a
least significant byte first (LSB first) representation, = respectively.

I think we = can tolerate the one occurrence of =E2=80=9Cendianness=E2=80=9D before = that, as that is just in a list of examples.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, = Carsten


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Thu, 3 Oct 2019 16:06:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 13:06:47 -0700 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Carsten Bormann Cc: The IESG , cbor@ietf.org, draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags@ietf.org, cbor-chairs@ietf.org, francesca.palombini@ericsson.com Message-ID: <20191003200647.GZ6424@kduck.mit.edu> References: <156986975771.502.11307283771427797323.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 20:06:59 -0000 On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 11:20:16AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Sep 30, 2019, at 20:55, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker wrote: > > > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-07: No Objection > > […] > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Section 3.1.2 > > > > I don't think we can get away with defining column-major order > > implicitly by example and comparison to row-major order. This is > > particularly poingiant given that we do not limit ourselves to > > two-dimensional arrays. > > The text does say: > > Data Item: > : as with tag 40, except that the data in the second array consists of > consecutive values where the first dimension is considered contiguous > (column-major order). Huh, I seem to have not read that part the first time around. > Should we also say that the intermediate dimensions are handled in the same order? > We don’t say that for row-major, but we could add it there, too, e.g. by providing a multi-dimensional example. We could also reference (a specific version of) the Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row-_and_column-major_order)… We probably should say how the intermediate dimensions are handled, for both cases, yes. Or just a reference would probably be enough, too. > > Section 7 > > > > I'm not sure that I understand the scenariao described by "an attacker > > might substitute a Uint8ClampedArray" and how an application would get > > unexpected processing semantics, but the general sentiment it indicates of > > "applications need to verify any expectations they have" seems important > > to cover. > > The observation is that if the attacker gets to choose aspects of a data structure that is then ingested into and used within the soft belly of the application, this can give the attacker some leverage to influence the processing in an unintended way. This is already true when the attacker can substitute an array for a hash (dictionary, map, object), but this is reasonably well known. Uint8ClampedArray is the same in principle, but might be surprising as it is more likely to be unfamiliar to people just expecting (and validating) the presence of an array. That's basically what I already had in mind (that still felt vague), but I don't think there's a need to go into further discussion on it. > > Section 8.2 > > > > I couldn't find a document to go with [TypedArray]; the one > > promising-looking search result ended up just redirecting me to > > [TypedArrayES6]. > > Right. Roman's and your comment made me search a bit more thoroughly, and we now have an archive.org link; please see https://github.com/cbor-wg/array-tags/commit/3e85dd9a4fcf5b54923506a802502cc289ff7314 Thanks! -Ben > From nobody Tue Oct 8 06:18:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB77120814 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 06:18:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com Received: from 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Tue, 8 Oct 2019 07:14:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: cbor@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.104.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cbor@ietf.org Message-ID: <157054409491.17172.10900649300775727843@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 07:14:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-08.txt X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 14:14:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions WG of the IETF. Title : Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) Tags for Typed Arrays Author : Carsten Bormann Filename : draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-08.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2019-10-08 Abstract: The Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, RFC 7049) is a data format whose design goals include the possibility of extremely small code size, fairly small message size, and extensibility without the need for version negotiation. The present document makes use of this extensibility to define a number of CBOR tags for typed arrays of numeric data, as well as two additional tags for multi-dimensional and homogeneous arrays. It is intended as the reference document for the IANA registration of the CBOR tags defined. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Oct 8 07:17:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65BF12011B; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 07:17:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.104.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , cbor@ietf.org, ietf@augustcellars.com, Jim Schaad , draft-ietf-cbor-sequence@ietf.org, alexey.melnikov@isode.com, cbor-chairs@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <157054424773.17164.14698597753476799718.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 07:17:27 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Protocol Action: 'Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) Sequences' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-cbor-sequence-02.txt) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 14:17:28 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) Sequences' (draft-ietf-cbor-sequence-02.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adam Roach, Alexey Melnikov and Barry Leiba. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-sequence/ Technical Summary This document describes how a sequence of CBOR objects can be transmitted in an environment that uses media types. A CBOR sequence is not a legal CBOR object. The document also defines a structured syntax for allowing generic parsing of CBOR sequences using "+cbor-seq". Working Group Summary There was some discussion about the need to define this data structure as it can be done by the use of an indefinite array. The consensus of the working group was that this would be a useful item to have. Document Quality The document is simple and understandable. I have seen code for one implementation of CBOR Sequences and it appeared to match the document from a brief reading of the code. All of the registrations have been sent to the appropriate review mailing list and there has been no returned comments. Personnel The Document Shepherd is Jim Schaad. The Responsible Area Director is Alexey Melnikov. From nobody Wed Oct 9 04:31:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A37E1200C3 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 04:31:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cd2yjxZjJyYI for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 04:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BDB41200B8 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 04:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DCE50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.206.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46pBrC13FNzywJ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 13:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 13:31:38 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 592313496.666607-72518831503098bff92573dd79d2ca03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <56A67D4F-7C91-4409-9C54-71D3B7594037@tzi.org> References: To: "cbor@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] CBOR Interim: 2019-10-09 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 11:31:43 -0000 On Oct 8, 2019, at 15:18, Francesca Palombini = wrote: >=20 > Agenda: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cbor-17/materials/agenda= -interim-2019-cbor-17-sessa Uh oh. Instead of doing what I was supposed to do, I added a pull = request for an alternative take at wellformedness errors, including = Laurence=E2=80=99s examples but sorting them into slightly different = classes (and adding a few). Maybe we can discuss this later today. For some reason the CI fails (with an error that I have seen before but = never could locate), so it=E2=80=99s best to look at the actual source = of the new appendix: https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/114/files (We can reorder appendixes later, if we really want to do this, so I = added at the end.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Oct 9 05:24:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87071200D7 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 05:24:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RjGB-M8wtxIz for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 05:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23E611200B7 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 05:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DCE50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.206.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46pD1b5mnHz10sf; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 14:24:51 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <56A67D4F-7C91-4409-9C54-71D3B7594037@tzi.org> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 14:24:51 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 592316685.548656-41d234e0960447ad948cf733ac9791cf Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <56A67D4F-7C91-4409-9C54-71D3B7594037@tzi.org> To: "cbor@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] CBOR Interim: 2019-10-09 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 12:24:55 -0000 On Oct 9, 2019, at 13:31, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > including Laurence=E2=80=99s examples but sorting them into slightly = different classes (and adding a few) Below is the result of applying puts DATA.read.scan(/^\* .*(?:\n .*)+/).map { |x| x.sub(/.*:/m, "").gsub(/[\s\n]+/m, " ").split(",").map(&:strip) }.flatten to this section (in case you wonder how to extract the data). Use = =E2=80=9Cp=E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9Cputs=E2=80=9D above to get the = same in a JSON array. (Throwing the examples against a couple of my = CBOR implementations exposes that in both cases I missed checking that = the strings enclosed inside indefinite length strings are definite = length. Thanks, Laurence.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten 18 19 1a 1b 19 01 1a 01 02 1b 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 38 58 78 98 9a 01 ff 00 b8 d8 f8 f9 00 fa 00 00 fb 00 00 00 41 61 5a ff ff ff ff 00 5b ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 01 02 03 7a ff ff ff ff 00 7b 7f ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 01 02 03 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 82 00 a1 a2 01 02 a1 00 a2 00 00 00 9f 9f 01 02 bf bf 01 02 01 02 81 9f 9f 80 00 9f 9f 9f 9f 9f ff ff ff ff 9f 81 9f 81 9f 9f ff ff ff 1c 1d 1e 3c 3d 3e 5c 5d 5e 7c 7d 7e 9c 9d 9e bc bd be dc dd de fc fd fe 5f 00 ff 5f 21 ff 5f 61 00 ff 5f 80 ff 5f a0 ff 5f c0 00 ff 5f e0 ff 7f 41 00 ff 5f 5f 41 00 ff ff 7f 7f 61 00 ff ff 81 ff 82 00 ff a1 ff a1 ff 00 a1 00 ff a2 00 00 ff 9f 81 ff 9f 82 9f 81 9f 9f ff ff ff ff bf 00 ff bf 00 00 00 ff From nobody Wed Oct 9 06:50:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804DA12016E for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 06:50:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28MEUAVHv-6W for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 06:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54A1712011F for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 06:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DCE50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.206.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46pFwS4Lbxz10hp; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 15:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <56A67D4F-7C91-4409-9C54-71D3B7594037@tzi.org> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 15:50:32 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 592321830.335585-3a124ec3f958088979e761e2a302404c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <56A67D4F-7C91-4409-9C54-71D3B7594037@tzi.org> To: "cbor@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] CBOR Interim: 2019-10-09 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:50:38 -0000 On Oct 9, 2019, at 13:31, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > Instead of doing what I was supposed to do, I added a pull request Two more: * Remove the idea of strict mode. Discuss validity checking instead = (#116) * Explain how deterministic encoding is building on preferred = serialization (#115) https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pulls (CI still doesn=E2=80=99t work. Hmm.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Oct 9 09:06:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8E9120145 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 09:06:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HS-IZ6LbwW9p for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 09:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E4F41200FD for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 09:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DCE50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.206.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46pJxG5xl2zyxm; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 18:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 18:06:26 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 592329984.275328-3f66755a3c383c4dc0bdf100cb56043c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <56A67D4F-7C91-4409-9C54-71D3B7594037@tzi.org> To: "cbor@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] CBOR Interim: 2019-10-09 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 16:06:32 -0000 On Oct 9, 2019, at 15:50, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > (CI still doesn=E2=80=99t work. Hmm.) The branch gh-pages was gone from github (but still present on my = working copy, so I just had to push it). How did that happen=E2=80=A6 = But at least I now know what to do. Redoing all the CI builds for the pull requests now. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Sun Oct 20 02:45:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB041200B9; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:45:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bRT3i_dpv6Pq; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A52251200A4; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pptp-218-1.informatik.uni-bremen.de (pptp-218-1.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.218.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46wvyz2chrz10Ct; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 11:45:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 593257539.733766-d395d753ad3a587fd75d4cba39dda151 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 11:45:42 +0200 Message-Id: To: Ace Wg , core , cose , cbor@ietf.org, t2trg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF106: DRAFT AGENDA X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 09:45:56 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the DRAFT AGENDA for IETF106. Remember that there is still quite some potential for changes. Conflicts that meet the eye: LAKE/SUIT (already noted by Russ), BOF on top (thing security): TMRID. ACE/RATS are also both security technologies that impact IoT. COSE is a technology that might be relevant for WPACK. All times are SGT (Singapore Time) =3D=3D UTC + 8 hours (=3D=3D China = time). Singapore doesn't obey the daylight savings myth. (Pure UTC times at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc are useful for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten FRIDAY, November 15, 2019 -- T2TRG/W3C WoT Workshop @ NUSS (https://is.gd/XWSfi8) SATURDAY, November 16, 2019 0830-2200 IETF Hackathon - Moor/Morrison SUNDAY, November 17, 2019 0830-1600 IETF Hackathon - Moor/Morrison 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - Fairmont Ballroom Foyer 1800-2000 Hot RFC Lightning Talks -- Padang MONDAY, November 18, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Collyer ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Sophia IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking VIP A SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I VIP A INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG - Joint with HOMENET VIP A INT homenet Home Networking WG - Joint with DNSSD Hullet INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Olivia IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Canning IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments = Research Group Padang SEC txauth Transactional Authorization and = Delegation BOF Sophia TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Collyer ART abcd Application Behavior Considering DNS BOF Padang IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Sophia OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Orchard RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Canning SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Canning INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Olivia TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG TUESDAY, November 19, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Hullet RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Olivia SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I VIP A INT tmrid Trustworthy Multipurpose Remote ID BOF Padang IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Canning SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange = WG Olivia SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Canning INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Olivia SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG VIP A SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Hullet TSV taps Transport Services WG 1710-1840 Afternoon Session III Hullet IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Proposed Research Group Sophia OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Orchard RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Padang SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG WEDNESDAY, November 20, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Collyer RTG raw Reliable and Available Wireless BOF Sophia SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Canning ART webtrans WebTransport BOF Sophia INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Collyer IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Olivia SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Orchard ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Hullet OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Collyer SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Sophia TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting THURSDAY, November 21, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Sophia IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing VIP A RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Padang SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Collyer TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Collyer ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Sophia INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Olivia RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Canning SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Padang ART wpack Web Packaging BOF Canning RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Sophia SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG Hullet SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III Olivia ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Sophia GEN git GitHub Integration and Tooling WG Padang INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Canning RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG FRIDAY, November 22, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Collyer ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Hullet INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Sophia IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Proposed = Research Group Olivia SEC mathmesh MatheMatical Mesh BOF 1220-1350 Morning Session II Hullet ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Sophia IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking RG Olivia SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG From nobody Mon Oct 21 10:31:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBC51200F7; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.106.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags@ietf.org, Francesca Palombini , cbor@ietf.org, alexey.melnikov@isode.com, cbor-chairs@ietf.org, francesca.palombini@ericsson.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <157167908936.31832.12151359090992444457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:31:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Protocol Action: 'Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) Tags for Typed Arrays' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-08.txt) X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:31:30 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) Tags for Typed Arrays' (draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags-08.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adam Roach, Alexey Melnikov and Barry Leiba. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-array-tags/ Technical Summary The Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, RFC 7049) is a data format whose design goals include the possibility of extremely small code size, fairly small message size, and extensibility without the need for version negotiation. The present document makes use of this extensibility to define a number of CBOR tags for typed arrays of numeric data, as well as two additional tags for multi-dimensional and homogeneous arrays. It is intended as the reference document for the IANA registration of the CBOR tags defined. Working Group Summary There were two point that could be considered as a controversy. The first if there should be a rule about using big endian or little endian in the case of deterministic encoding. The WG consensus result was no, but that may not reflect the view of all individuals in the working group. Secondly, regarding tag 68 (Uint8ClampedArray): on one side, it was noted that such a tag indicates a property of the processing more than just the item's encoding. On the other side, it was noted that that allows to identify more precisely what the data type is, which is a desirable feature of CBOR, and that this does not differ from other tags such as MIME. In general, this brings up the point of using CBOR tags to identify types of objects in protocols that exists elsewhere in an object oriented system, such as in other standards or other implementations (JavaScript/ES6 for “Uint8ClampedArray”) rather than in JSON. The WG consensus was towards this being a desirable feature, and the tag was kept in the document. Another more general note, there exist different perception of usefulness of some of the concepts in the document (such as homogenous arrays). Document Quality There is no existing implementations of the specifications, as far as I can tell. The document went through several thorough reviews during the time as working group document, including broader community reviews. No expert review was requested, although an expert review was done during early registration of IANA parameters defined in this document. Personnel Francesca Palombini is the Document Shepherd. Alexey Melnikov is the Responsible Area Director. 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Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] 7049bis: The concept of "optional tagging" is not really used in practice #126 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:38:16 -0000 Section 3.4 talks about "optional tagging" as a secondary purpose of = tags. But in today's CBOR protocols, tags are rarely "optional" in the = sense that they can simply be left out without a change in semantics, as = 3.4 para 3 implies. This concept comes up again in 4.2.2, where "optional tagging" is = outlawed in deterministic encoding (but then the text goes on to explain = that protocols might choose to retain tags, but doesn't say why). Proposal: Get rid of any discussion of =E2=80=9Coptional tagging".=20 (Of course, understanding/processing tags remains an optional feature of = a decoder.) https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/issues/126 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Oct 23 06:04:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830E41208CD for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 06:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id USDZEg5rTtVx for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 06:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78302120840 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 06:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p5089AE1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46yrDR5XlXz106S; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <92400DAA-A713-4905-A721-34B138E25192@tzi.org> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:04:07 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 593528645.094009-fe481352d864b05d38a9571a31a4682e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <92400DAA-A713-4905-A721-34B138E25192@tzi.org> To: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] 7049bis: The concept of "optional tagging" is not really used in practice #126 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:04:12 -0000 =E2=80=A6 and I dropped a PR addressing this and other remaining tag = issues (#107). https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/pull/127 I hope there is still some time for reading this before 1500Z=E2=80=A6 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On Oct 23, 2019, at 13:38, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > Section 3.4 talks about "optional tagging" as a secondary purpose of = tags. But in today's CBOR protocols, tags are rarely "optional" in the = sense that they can simply be left out without a change in semantics, as = 3.4 para 3 implies. >=20 > This concept comes up again in 4.2.2, where "optional tagging" is = outlawed in deterministic encoding (but then the text goes on to explain = that protocols might choose to retain tags, but doesn't say why). >=20 > Proposal: Get rid of any discussion of =E2=80=9Coptional tagging".=20 > (Of course, understanding/processing tags remains an optional feature = of a decoder.) >=20 > https://github.com/cbor-wg/CBORbis/issues/126 >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CBOR mailing list > CBOR@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cbor From nobody Thu Oct 24 01:51:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933101200B8 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 01:51:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <92400DAA-A713-4905-A721-34B138E25192@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cbor] 7049bis: The concept of "optional tagging" is not really used in practice #126 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:51:09 -0000 On 23/10/2019 13:38, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Section 3.4 talks about "optional tagging" as a secondary purpose of ta= gs. But in today's CBOR protocols, tags are rarely "optional" in the sens= e that they can simply be left out without a change in semantics, as 3.4 = para 3 implies. > > This concept comes up again in 4.2.2, where "optional tagging" is outla= wed in deterministic encoding (but then the text goes on to explain that = protocols might choose to retain tags, but doesn't say why). To be honest, I don't really understand how much optional are tags. A CDD rule with tags matchs cbor items with tags and reject cbor items without tags. Tags are not optional from the data-model point of view. Moreover, please consider this CDDL objective: (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7049#section-1.1) =C2=A0=C2=A0 3.=C2=A0 Data must be able to be decoded without a schema de= scription. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 *=C2=A0 Similar to JSON, encoded dat= a should be self-describing so =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 that a generic dec= oder can be written. Well, how to do this without putting tags everywhere for everything? (Or I need more explanation about what is "self-describing" and what is a "schema description") Let say I receive data. How may I know that this number is a temperature and not a distance, and that this byte-string is an uuid and not a small picture? The first way is to have a schema (written or not): That is to say a certain preliminary knowledge of expected data which tell me that this number at this place or associated to this map-key is a temperature. The second way is to decorate data with tags, all data. A third way is a compromise between the two first ones: I have a certain level of preliminary knoledge of what data are (a kind of schema description), with possibly some missing parts that are filled by tags. But the only way to decode data _without_ a schema description is to have tags everywhere for everything. Surprisingly, json has no tags and is claimed to be self-describing. Is it really? I'm lost. My feeling is that this objective CBOR should be not so demanding. Best regards, Christophe From nobody Fri Oct 25 14:13:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietf.org Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BF01209B7; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:12:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: cbor@ietf.org, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157203792561.2724.2420075468471226483.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:12:05 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] cbor - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 106 X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 21:12:10 -0000 Dear Francesca Palombini, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. cbor Session 1 (1:30 requested) Thursday, 21 November 2019, Afternoon Session III 1740-1840 Room Name: Hullet size: 100 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/sessions/cbor.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Francesca Palombini Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: saag ace core lamps cose lake Technology Overlap: rats suit teep lwig 6tisch 6lo anima t2trg lpwan Key Participant Conflict: cfrg emu tls secdispatch oauth artarea loops roll sacm dots dnsop People who must be present: Carsten Bormann Alexey Melnikov Jim Schaad Francesca Palombini Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please avoid collision with any Sec and IoT-related BoFs. Please avoid collision with lake and gendispatch (as chair conflict) and wpack (as key participant conflict) if they meet. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 25 14:39:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B2812008F; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:39:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rc5mlMtssYzY; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27CC912004A; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p5089AE1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 470HYc0qPczyY2; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:39:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 593732337.7825429-22303503c08916d892453144e1d146d6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:38:59 +0200 Message-Id: To: ace@ietf.org, core@ietf.org, cose@ietf.org, cbor@ietf.org, t2trg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Cbor] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF106: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: cbor@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Concise Binary Object Representation \(CBOR\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 21:39:05 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the FINAL AGENDA for IETF106. Remember that, occasionally, futher agenda changes do happen. Quite a bit has been moved around from the draft agenda. LAKE no longer conflicts with SUIT, TMRID is now on top of ROLL and TEEP which is maybe a bit less of a problem for most. ACE/RATS still conflict (and the other RATS meeting has moved from Monday to Friday on top of COINRG, but you can do this RATS thing without me, can you?). WPACK no longer conflicts with COSE (but now does with LAKE, which again probably just is a personal problem), LAKE/ANIMA is a technology and a potential user again. All times are SGT (Singapore Time) =3D=3D UTC + 8 hours (=3D=3D China = time). Singapore doesn't obey the daylight savings myth. (Pure UTC times at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc are useful for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten FRIDAY, November 15, 2019 -- T2TRG/W3C WoT Workshop @ NUSS (https://is.gd/XWSfi8) SATURDAY, November 16, 2019 0830-2200 IETF Hackathon - Moor/Morrison SUNDAY, November 17, 2019 0830-1600 IETF Hackathon - Moor/Morrison 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - Fairmont Ballroom Foyer 1800-2000 Hot RFC Lightning Talks -- Padang MONDAY, November 18, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Sophia ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Olivia IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Collyer SEC mathmesh MatheMatical Mesh BOF 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I VIP A INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG - Joint with HOMENET VIP A INT homenet Home Networking WG - Joint with DNSSD Olivia IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Canning IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments = Research Group Padang SEC txauth Transactional Authorization and = Delegation BOF Sophia TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Canning ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Padang IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Collyer OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Orchard RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Olivia INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Padang IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols TUESDAY, November 19, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I VIP A INT tmrid Trustworthy Multipurpose Remote ID BOF Olivia RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Sophia SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Padang ART abcd Application Behavior Considering DNS BOF VIP A RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Sophia SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG Hullet TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Sophia GEN git GitHub Integration and Tooling WG Collyer INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Olivia SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG VIP A SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Hullet TSV taps Transport Services WG 1710-1840 Afternoon Session III Hullet IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Proposed Research Group Sophia OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Padang SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG WEDNESDAY, November 20, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Sophia ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Canning RTG raw Reliable and Available Wireless BOF Olivia SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Collyer ART webtrans WebTransport BOF Sophia INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Canning IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Olivia SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Collyer ART wpack Web Packaging BOF Hullet OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Sophia SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange = WG 1710-1940 IETF Plenary - Canning/Padang THURSDAY, November 21, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Sophia IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Orchard RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Padang SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Canning TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Collyer ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Sophia INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Olivia RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Canning SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Padang INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Collyer RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Sophia SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG Hullet SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III Hullet ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Sophia INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Collyer RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Canning SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Padang TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting FRIDAY, November 22, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Hullet INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Sophia IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Proposed = Research Group Canning SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Orchard SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG 1220-1350 Morning Session II Hullet ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Sophia IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking RG Olivia SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG From nobody Mon Oct 28 02:26:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cbor@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9699B1200DF for ; 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