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CBOR and COSE working groups,

It's with enormous sadness that I have to report the death, a few days
ago, of our dear friend and colleague Jim Schaad.  Jim was a much
loved and highly respected IETF participant for many years, and I feel
a huge personal and professional loss, as, I'm sure, will all of us.

We can use this message thread to post memoriams for Jim, if people
have things you would like to say.

Barry
ART AD


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The paragraph "The CBOR working group will update RFC 7049 ..." feels like it
might now be out of date given that RFC 7049-bis is already in the RFC editor
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> The paragraph "The CBOR working group will update RFC 7049 ..." feels like it
> might now be out of date given that RFC 7049-bis is already in the RFC editor
> queue.

Doh!  That's what happens when one tries to make surgical updates, but
one hasn't been to medical school.

Version -02-01 should have that fixed.

Barry


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The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) WG
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additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chair.

Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor)
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Current status: Active WG

Chairs:
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Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, RFC 7049) extends the
JavaScript Object Notation (JSON, RFC 8259) data interchange format to
include binary data and an extensibility model, using a binary
representation format that is easy to parse correctly. It has been
picked up by a number of IETF efforts (e.g., CORE, ANIMA GRASP) as a
message format.

The CBOR working group has updated RFC 7049 to deal with existing
errata, and the new version, draft-ietf-cbor-7049bis, is in the RFC
Editor queue to become an Internet Standard.

Similar to the way ABNF (RFC 5234/7405) can be used to describe the set
of valid messages in a text representation, it is useful for protocol
specifications to use a description format for the data in CBOR-encoded
messages. The Concise Data Definition Language (CDDL) is such a
description technique that has already been used in CORE, ANIMA, CDNI,
and efforts outside the IETF.

CDDL has been published as RFC 8610. While this specification has been
completed, several new features were raised during the update process
that were not included, in order not to delay publication, and to allow
publication in the Standards Track. One example of such a feature is the
ability to combine multiple CDDL files together using a mechanism other
than manually concatenating them together for processing. The working
group will collect these features as well as other features that are
raised by users of CDDL, evaluate their utility and, where warranted,
progress them either in a standalone document or as part of a new
edition of the specification.

The working group will define the approach to further evolving CDDL as a
sequence of editions, which might also add further extension points,
probably as part of the introduction of the next edition of the CDDL
base specification. The body of existing specifications that make use of
CDDL is considered precious, and the WG will set out not to damage their
value.

The working group will evaluate the necessity of providing advice and
guidance for developers using CBOR and CDDL. It is currently expected
that this would be done using a Wiki of some type. This work would not
be expected to be published by the IETF as an RFC.

There are a number of additional CBOR tagged types and CBOR related
media type specifications that are currently adopted by the working
group, are work items in other working groups, or exist as individual
submissions. Additionally, there are expected to be other such documents
that will come to the attention of the working group. In some cases, the
working group expects to adopt and publish these proposals, and for
those the working group will evaluate them individually and decide about
adoption and milestones. Proposals that are deemed to be out of scope
for the working group, for example because they are too narrow in
purpose, may still be published as individual submissions or in another
groups if there is a specific need. The CBOR group will review these
proposals on request.





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Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the DRAFT AGENDA
for IETF109.  Remember that there is still quite some potential for
changes.

The conflicts that meet the eye this time seem to impact generalists =
only.
Great scheduling job!

All times *on my agenda* are in UTC (the default page is UTC+0700).
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc might be handy.
Note that both EU and US are on winter time (standard time) then.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

MONDAY, November 9, 2020

0500-0700  Hackathon Kickoff
Rm 1    	GEN	hackathon	Hackathon

FRIDAY, November 13, 2020

0500-0700  Hackathon Closing
Rm 1    	GEN	hackathon	Hackathon

MONDAY, November 16, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 1    	ART	dispatch	Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA
Rm 3    	IRTF	qirg	Quantum Internet Research Group
Rm 5    	RTG	raw	Reliable and Available Wireless WG
Rm 6    	SEC ***	lake	Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange =
WG

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 3    	INT	add	Adaptive DNS Discovery WG
Rm 4    	IRTF	maprg	Measurement and Analysis for Protocols
Rm 7    	SEC ***	cose	CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG

0900-1100  Session III
Rm 1    	ART	jsonpath	JSON Path WG
Rm 6    	SEC	secdispatch	Security Dispatch WG
Rm 7    	TSV	tsvwg	Transport Area Working Group WG

TUESDAY, November 17, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 1    	ART ***	core	Constrained RESTful Environments WG
Rm 2    	INT	6man	IPv6 Maintenance WG
Rm 7    	SEC	gnap	Grant Negotiation and Authorization =
Protocol WG

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 5    	RTG	babel	Babel routing protocol WG
Rm 6    	SEC	tls	Transport Layer Security WG

0900-1100  Session III
Rm 1    	ART ***	asdf	A Semantic Definition Format for Data =
and Interactions of Things WG
Rm 2    	IRTF	irtfopen	IRTF Open Meeting
Rm 4    	RTG	apn	Application-aware Networking BOF
Rm 7    	SEC ***	rats	Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG

WEDNESDAY, November 18, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 3    	INT	madinas	MAC Address Device Identification for =
Network and Application Services BOF
Rm 5    	RTG	bier	Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG
Rm 7    	SEC ***	ace	Authentication and Authorization for =
Constrained Environments WG
Rm 8    	TSV	quic	QUIC WG

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 3    	INT ***	6lo	IPv6 over Networks of =
Resource-constrained Nodes WG
Rm 4    	INT ***	drip	Drone Remote ID Protocol WG
Rm 7    	SEC ***	teep	Trusted Execution Environment =
Provisioning WG
Rm 8    	TSV	tsvwg	Transport Area Working Group WG

THURSDAY, November 19, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 3    	IRTF	coinrg	Computing in the Network Research Group
Rm 7    	SEC	saag	Security Area Open Meeting

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 1    	ART ***	cbor	Concise Binary Object Representation =
Maintenance and Extensions WG
Rm 2    	INT	intarea	Internet Area Working Group WG
Rm 3    	RTG	detnet	Deterministic Networking WG
Rm 5    	SEC	acme	Automated Certificate Management =
Environment WG

0900-1100  Session III
Rm 4    	OPS	v6ops	IPv6 Operations WG
Rm 6    	RTG ***	roll	Routing Over Low power and Lossy =
networks WG
Rm 7    	SEC	mls	Messaging Layer Security WG
Rm 8    	SEC ***	rats	Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG

FRIDAY, November 20, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 2    	INT	add	Adaptive DNS Discovery WG
Rm 6    	RTG	rift	Routing In Fat Trees WG
Rm 7    	SEC	emu	EAP Method Update WG

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 1    	ART	httpapi	Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG
Rm 2    	INT ***	lwig	Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG
Rm 3    	OPS	anima	Autonomic Networking Integrated Model =
and Approach WG
Rm 6    	SEC ***	suit	Software Updates for Internet of Things =
WG
Rm 7    	TSV	tsvarea	Transport Area Open Meeting

0900-1100  Session III
Rm 1    	ART ***	core	Constrained RESTful Environments WG
Rm 2    	INT	6man	IPv6 Maintenance WG
Rm 4    	IRTF	cfrg	Crypto Forum
Rm 7    	TSV	masque	Multiplexed Application Substrate over =
QUIC Encryption WG



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Dear Francesca Palombini,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request. 


    cbor Session 1 (1:00 requested)
    Thursday, 19 November 2020, Session II 1430-1530
    Room Name: Room 1 size: 501
    ---------------------------------------------


iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/cbor.ics

Request Information:


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Working Group Name: Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions
Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area
Session Requester: Francesca Palombini


Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  1 Hour
Number of Attendees: 50
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 Chair Conflict: saag ace core lamps cose lake gendispatch secdispatch
 Technology Overlap: rats suit teep lwig 6tisch 6lo anima t2trg lpwan asdf
 Key Participant Conflict: cfrg emu tls oauth artarea roll sacm dots dnsop wpack jsonpath





People who must be present:
  Carsten Bormann
  Barry Leiba
  Jim Schaad
  Francesca Palombini

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Special Requests:
  Please avoid collision with any Sec and IoT-related BoFs.
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Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the "FINAL" AGENDA
for IETF109.  Remember that further agenda changes can still happen.

Very little has changed with respect to the draft agenda.  WEBTRANS
does meet, and CFRG and IRTFOPEN have been moved around (CFRG now on
top of CORE, unfortunately).

All times *on my agenda* are in UTC (the default page is UTC+0700).
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc might be handy.
Note that both EU and US are on winter time (standard time) then.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


MONDAY, November 9, 2020

0500-0700  Hackathon Kickoff
Rm 1 	GEN	hackathon	Hackathon

FRIDAY, November 13, 2020

0500-0700  Hackathon Closing
Rm 1 	GEN	hackathon	Hackathon

MONDAY, November 16, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 1 	ART	dispatch	Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA
Rm 3 	IRTF	qirg	Quantum Internet Research Group
Rm 5 	RTG	raw	Reliable and Available Wireless WG
Rm 6 	SEC ***	lake	Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange WG

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 2 	INT	add	Adaptive DNS Discovery WG
Rm 3 	IRTF	maprg	Measurement and Analysis for Protocols
Rm 6 	SEC ***	cose	CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG

0900-1100  Session III
Rm 1 	ART	jsonpath	JSON Path WG
Rm 2 	ART	webtrans	WebTransport WG
Rm 7 	SEC	secdispatch	Security Dispatch WG
Rm 8 	TSV	tsvwg	Transport Area Working Group WG

TUESDAY, November 17, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 1 	ART ***	core	Constrained RESTful Environments WG
Rm 2 	INT	6man	IPv6 Maintenance WG
Rm 3 	IRTF	cfrg	Crypto Forum
Rm 7 	SEC	gnap	Grant Negotiation and Authorization Protocol WG

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 5 	RTG	babel	Babel routing protocol WG
Rm 6 	SEC	tls	Transport Layer Security WG

0900-1100  Session III
Rm 1 	ART ***	asdf	A Semantic Definition Format for Data and =
Interactions of Things WG
Rm 5 	RTG	apn	Application-aware Networking BOF
Rm 8 	SEC ***	rats	Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG

WEDNESDAY, November 18, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 3 	INT	madinas	MAC Address Device Identification for Network =
and Application Services BOF
Rm 5 	RTG	bier	Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG
Rm 7 	SEC ***	ace	Authentication and Authorization for Constrained =
Environments WG
Rm 8 	TSV	quic	QUIC WG

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 3 	INT ***	6lo	IPv6 over Networks of Resource-constrained Nodes =
WG
Rm 4 	INT ***	drip	Drone Remote ID Protocol WG
Rm 7 	SEC ***	teep	Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG
Rm 8 	TSV	tsvwg	Transport Area Working Group WG

THURSDAY, November 19, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 3 	IRTF	coinrg	Computing in the Network Research Group
Rm 7 	SEC	saag	Security Area Open Meeting

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 1 	ART ***	cbor	Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance =
and Extensions WG
Rm 2 	INT	intarea	Internet Area Working Group WG
Rm 3 	RTG	detnet	Deterministic Networking WG
Rm 5 	SEC	acme	Automated Certificate Management Environment WG

0900-1100  Session III
Rm 4 	OPS	v6ops	IPv6 Operations WG
Rm 6 	RTG ***	roll	Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG
Rm 7 	SEC	mls	Messaging Layer Security WG
Rm 8 	SEC ***	rats	Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG

FRIDAY, November 20, 2020

0500-0700  Session I
Rm 2 	INT	add	Adaptive DNS Discovery WG
Rm 6 	RTG	rift	Routing In Fat Trees WG
Rm 7 	SEC	emu	EAP Method Update WG

0730-0830  Session II
Rm 1 	ART	httpapi	Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG
Rm 2 	INT ***	lwig	Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG
Rm 3 	OPS	anima	Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and =
Approach WG
Rm 6 	SEC ***	suit	Software Updates for Internet of Things WG
Rm 7 	TSV	tsvarea	Transport Area Open Meeting

0900-1100  Session III
Rm 1 	ART ***	core	Constrained RESTful Environments WG
Rm 3 	INT	6man	IPv6 Maintenance WG
Rm 5 	IRTF	irtfopen	IRTF Open Meeting
Rm 8 	TSV	masque	Multiplexed Application Substrate over QUIC =
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MEETING DETAILS HAVE CHANGED.  SEE LATEST DETAILS BELOW.

The Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions (cbor) WG will hold
a virtual interim meeting on 2020-10-28 from 17:00 to 18:00 Europe/Paris (16:00 to 17:00 UTC).

Agenda:
CBOR WG Meeting - Interim 20-18
Wednesday, Oct 28, 2020, 17:00 - 18:00 CET
Chairs: Francesca Palombini

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Agenda:

* WG update

* WG documents status
    - OID tags
    - new proposal dictionaries

* AoB

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Jim Schaad was a major commenter on draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid, and we all =
went into shock when he passed.  So nothing has happened since the below =
update on 2020-09-30.

I believe that the draft is pretty much done, not the least due to =
Jim=E2=80=99s ever so helpful comments.

What is left to do is:

=E2=80=94 tick off and delete the yellow editors=E2=80=99 comment at the =
end of Section 5:
=
https://raw.githack.com/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/master/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid.h=
tml#name-tag-factoring-with-oid-arra =E2=80=94 i.e., agree that we now =
have reached the right level of complexity here.
=E2=80=94 discuss whether we need the detail in =
https://raw.githack.com/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/master/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid.h=
tml#section-9.1 =E2=80=94 conversion between BER and dotted decimal is =
not exactly the focus of this draft any longer, and the third paragraph =
of Section 9 =
(https://raw.githack.com/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/master/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid.=
html#section-9-3) already contains a good warning about this.

We could discuss this later today in the interim, generate a -02 with =
the above (and a few editorial) changes, and go for WGLC (which should =
get us any further reviews we need).

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


> On 2020-09-30, at 20:34, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>=20
>=20
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Concise Binary Object Representation =
Maintenance and Extensions WG of the IETF.
>=20
>        Title           : Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) =
Tags for Object Identifiers
>        Authors         : Carsten Bormann
>                          Sean Leonard
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid-01.txt
> 	Pages           : 14
> 	Date            : 2020-09-30
>=20
> Abstract:
>   The Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, draft-ietf-cbor-
>   7049bis) is a data format whose design goals include the possibility
>   of extremely small code size, fairly small message size, and
>   extensibility without the need for version negotiation.
>=20
>   The present document defines CBOR tags for object identifiers =
(OIDs).
>   It is intended as the reference document for the IANA registration =
of
>   the CBOR tags so defined.
>=20
>=20
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid/
>=20
> There is also a HTML versions available at:
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance and Extensions WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) Tags for Object Identifiers
        Authors         : Carsten Bormann
                          Sean Leonard
	Filename        : draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid-02.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2020-10-28

Abstract:
   The Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, draft-ietf-cbor-
   7049bis) is a data format whose design goals include the possibility
   of extremely small code size, fairly small message size, and
   extensibility without the need for version negotiation.

   The present document defines CBOR tags for object identifiers (OIDs).
   It is intended as the reference document for the IANA registration of
   the CBOR tags so defined.


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On 2020-10-28, at 13:34, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
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> What is left to do is:
>=20
> =E2=80=94 tick off and delete the yellow editors=E2=80=99 comment at =
the end of Section 5:
> =
https://raw.githack.com/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/master/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid.h=
tml#name-tag-factoring-with-oid-arra =E2=80=94 i.e., agree that we now =
have reached the right level of complexity here.
> =E2=80=94 discuss whether we need the detail in =
https://raw.githack.com/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/master/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid.h=
tml#section-9.1 =E2=80=94 conversion between BER and dotted decimal is =
not exactly the focus of this draft any longer, and the third paragraph =
of Section 9 =
(https://raw.githack.com/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/master/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid.=
html#section-9-3) already contains a good warning about this.
>=20
> We could discuss this later today in the interim, generate a -02 with =
the above (and a few editorial) changes, and go for WGLC (which should =
get us any further reviews we need).

We did this, and based on the discussion I have now submitted -02:

Name:		draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid
Revision:	02
Title:		Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) Tags for =
Object Identifiers
Document date:	2020-10-28
Group:		cbor
Pages:		14
URL:            =
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid-02.txt
Status:         =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid/
Html:           =
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid-02.html
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid-02
Diff:           =
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid-02

This should be ready for WGLC now, potentially discussion results of =
that at the IETF 109 meeting.

In the interim today, Ira mentioned that SACM and RATS might be good WGs =
to make aware of a WGLC, as a good collection of people who know about =
ASN.1 Object Identifiers is assembled there.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
    > What is left to do is:

    > =E2=80=94 tick off and delete the yellow editors=E2=80=99 comment at =
the end of Section 5:
    > https://raw.githack.com/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/master/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-=
oid.html#name-tag-factoring-with-oid-arra
    > =E2=80=94 i.e., agree that we now have reached the right level of com=
plexity
    > here.

    > =E2=80=94 discuss whether we need the detail in https://raw.githack.c=
om/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/master/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid.html#section-9.1 =E2=80=
=94 conversion between BER and dotted decimal is not exactly the focus of t=
his draft any longer, and the third paragraph of Section 9 (https://raw.git=
hack.com/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/master/draft-ietf-cbor-tags-oid.html#section-9-3)=
 already contains a good warning about this.

    > We could discuss this later today in the interim, generate a -02 with=
 the above (and a few editorial) changes, and go for WGLC (which should get=
 us any further reviews we need).

I think that your -02 update broke the link that included the "yellow
editors' comment" above.

Reading the diff, I think you acted on these already, and I'm good with tha=
t.

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I have some interest in PENs as an EAT claim to identify manufacturers. =
It has the advantage over the IEEE OUI/MAA-L/MAC registry in that it is =
free. I=E2=80=99d expect it to work like this:

- There would be a claim called =E2=80=9Coem_pen=E2=80=9D or such
- It would have a label/key to identify the claim in the claims map
- It would =E2=80=9Cborrow=E2=80=9D the content from tag 112 so the CBOR =
bytes representing #6.112 is unnecessary
- It would typically encode as 4 bytes for a typical PEN value like =
50,000, rather than 8 bytes for the full OID (content borrowed so no =
bytes for #6.112)

It is tempting to just define the oem_pen claim as a simple integer =
ignoring that it is defined as part of an OID, but this would disallow =
organizations from use the OID structure to identify sub organizations =
(that=E2=80=99s what you are referring to by X6.90 Clause 8.20, right?). =
It=E2=80=99s a little awkward that you have to apply OID encoding rules =
to the assigned integer, but that is OK.

So, this does seem useful to me.

LL



> On Oct 29, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Brendan Moran <Brendan.Moran@arm.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> It seems to me that Private Enterprise Numbers (PENs) are a =
particularly unique use case. It seems reasonable to predict that users =
of PENs will want the ability to encode these in CBOR. Given that there =
is a large number of registrations under the PEN prefix, it seems to me =
that this is a reasonable case in which to allocate a tag.
>=20
> I propose that we add a new tag, 112, with the same semantics as 110 =
except that the OID is always relative to the IANA PEN OID (1.3.6.1.4.1)
>=20
> While it would be preferable to encode a simple number, IANA=E2=80=99s =
PEN registration page says:
>=20
>> If you are not sure whether your organization has registered a PEN, =
please check the registry =
<http://www.iana.org/assignments/enterprise-numbers>. If your =
organization does have a PEN, we recommend obtaining a sub-assignment =
from the contact listed in the registry.
>=20
> This means that we should probably maintain X.690 Clause 8.20 =
semantics in the body.
>=20
> If this proposal is adopted, I intend to write it into SUIT manifests. =
While it makes no size or semantic difference in SUIT=E2=80=94using tag =
110 is fine and unambiguous in this context=E2=80=94I think that a =
dedicated tag is a better option.
>=20
> Best Regards,
> Brendan
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
have some interest in PENs as an EAT claim to identify manufacturers. It =
has the advantage over the IEEE OUI/MAA-L/MAC registry in that it is =
free. I=E2=80=99d expect it to work like this:<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- There would be a claim called =
=E2=80=9Coem_pen=E2=80=9D or such</div><div class=3D"">- It would have a =
label/key to identify the claim in the claims map</div><div class=3D"">- =
It would =E2=80=9Cborrow=E2=80=9D the content from tag 112 so the CBOR =
bytes representing #6.112 is unnecessary</div><div class=3D"">- It would =
typically encode as 4 bytes for a typical PEN value like 50,000, rather =
than 8 bytes for the full OID (content borrowed so no bytes for =
#6.112)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It is =
tempting to just define the oem_pen claim as a simple integer ignoring =
that it is defined as part of an OID, but this would disallow =
organizations from use the OID structure to identify sub organizations =
(that=E2=80=99s what you are referring to by X6.90 Clause 8.20, right?). =
It=E2=80=99s a little awkward that you have to apply OID encoding rules =
to the assigned integer, but that is OK.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So, this does seem useful to =
me.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">LL</div><div=
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 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Oct 29, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Brendan Moran &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:Brendan.Moran@arm.com" =
class=3D"">Brendan.Moran@arm.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D"">

<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
It seems to me that Private Enterprise Numbers (PENs) are a particularly =
unique use case. It seems reasonable to predict that users of PENs will =
want the ability to encode these in CBOR. Given that there is a large =
number of registrations under the PEN prefix,
 it seems to me that this is a reasonable case in which to allocate a =
tag.
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">I propose that we add a new tag, 112, with the same =
semantics as 110 except that the OID is always relative to&nbsp;the IANA =
PEN OID (1.3.6.1.4.1)<br class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"">While it would be preferable to encode a simple number, =
IANA=E2=80=99s PEN registration page says:</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">If you are not sure whether your organization has =
registered a PEN, please check the&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.iana.org/assignments/enterprise-numbers" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">registry</a>. If your organization does =
have a PEN, we recommend obtaining
 a sub-assignment from the contact listed in the registry.</div>
</blockquote>
<br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">This means that we should probably maintain X.690 Clause =
8.20 semantics in the body.</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">If this proposal is adopted, I intend to write it into =
SUIT manifests. While it makes no size or semantic difference in =
SUIT=E2=80=94using tag 110 is fine and unambiguous in this context=E2=80=94=
I think that a dedicated tag is a better option.</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Best Regards,</div>
<div class=3D"">Brendan</div>
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Brendan Moran <Brendan.Moran@arm.com> wrote:
    > It seems to me that Private Enterprise Numbers (PENs) are a
    > particularly unique use case. It seems reasonable to predict that use=
rs
    > of PENs will want the ability to encode these in CBOR. Given that the=
re
    > is a large number of registrations under the PEN prefix, it seems to =
me
    > that this is a reasonable case in which to allocate a tag.

    > I propose that we add a new tag, 112, with the same semantics as 110
    > except that the OID is always relative to the IANA PEN OID
    > (1.3.6.1.4.1)

I agree.

    > If this proposal is adopted, I intend to write it into SUIT
    > manifests. While it makes no size or semantic difference in SUIT=E2=
=80=94using
    > tag 110 is fine and unambiguous in this context=E2=80=94I think that a
    > dedicated tag is a better option.

good.

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On 2020-10-29, at 23:34, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> =
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>=20
> I agree.

Now https://github.com/cbor-wg/cbor-oid/issues/7

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

