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yes to all

Kireeti Kompella wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
>
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>     draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>     draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>     draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>
> Kireeti.
> -------
>
>




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> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>                draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt

yes

> b) "hierarchy bis"
>                draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt

abstain

> c) Call Support
>                draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt

yes

> d) Ethernet TSpec
>                draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt

yes

> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>                draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt

yes

> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.




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Hi,

Having spoken to the ADs, we are agreed that this draft is Standards
Track.

We will move forward on that basis.

Thanks.

Adrian





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Yes to all

Tomonori

At 10:12 06/03/31 -0800, Kireeti Kompella wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds to go 
>to WG docs:
>
>a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>         draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
>b) "hierarchy bis"
>         draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
>c) Call Support
>         draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
>d) Ethernet TSpec
>         draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
>e) OSPF-TE MIB
>         draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>
>Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
>My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
>migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>
>Kireeti.
>-------





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Yes to all

Kohei

Kireeti Kompella wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds to 
> go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>     draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>     draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>     draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------
> 
> 
> 






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Yes to all.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:13 PM
> To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: Progressing docs
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------
> 
> 







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Yes to all.

Igor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:12 PM
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> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>   draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>   draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>   draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------
> 




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Hi,

Yes to all.

Ichiro

At 23:15 06/04/03, Igor Bryskin wrote:
 >Yes to all.
 >
 >Igor
 >
 >----- Original Message -----
 >From: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>
 >To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
 >Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:12 PM
 >Subject: Progressing docs
 >
 >
 >> Hi All,
 >>
 >> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds
 >> to go to WG docs:
 >>
 >> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
 >>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
 >> b) "hierarchy bis"
 >>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
 >> c) Call Support
 >>   draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
 >> d) Ethernet TSpec
 >>   draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
 >> e) OSPF-TE MIB
 >>   draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
 >>
 >> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
 >>
 >> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the
 >> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
 >>
 >> Kireeti.
 >> -------
 >>






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Hi,
Yes to all.

Tina
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi,
> 
> Yes to all.
> 
> Ichiro
> 
> At 23:15 06/04/03, Igor Bryskin wrote:
> >Yes to all.
> >
> >Igor
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>
> >To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
> >Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:12 PM
> >Subject: Progressing docs
> >
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds
> >> to go to WG docs:
> >>
> >> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
> >>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> >> b) "hierarchy bis"
> >>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> >> c) Call Support
> >>   draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> >> d) Ethernet TSpec
> >>   draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> >> e) OSPF-TE MIB
> >>   draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> >>
> >> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> >>
> >> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the
> >> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> >>
> >> Kireeti.
> >> -------
> >>
> 
> 
>




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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kireeti Kompella
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:13 PM
> To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: Progressing docs
>=20
> Hi All,
>=20
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the=20
> following I-Ds to go to WG docs:
>=20
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt

Yes, but I have some comments about the ID merger, that I am discussing
w/ Authors off-line.=20

> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt

Yes,=20

> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt

Yes,=20

> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt

Yes,=20

> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>=20

Yes,=20

> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>=20
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was=20
> for the migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check=20
> all these docs.
>=20
> Kireeti.
> -------
>=20




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Hi,

Yes to all.

Eiji

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:12:31 -0800 (PST)
Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------





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Hi Kireeti

Yes to all,

Don=20

> -----Original Message-----
> Hi All,
>=20
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds=20
> to go to WG docs:
>=20
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>=20
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>=20
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the=20
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>=20
> Kireeti.
> -------
>=20
>=20
>=20




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> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
> 	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
----> yes.

> b) "hierarchy bis"
> 	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
----> yes.

> c) Call Support
> 	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
----> yes.

> d) Ethernet TSpec
> 	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
---> yes.

> e) OSPF-TE MIB
> 	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
-----> yes.


thanks,
-arthi

> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the migration 
> doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>
> Kireeti.
> -------
>




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Yes to all.
 
-hidet

________________________________

From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org 代理 Kireeti Kompella
Sent: 2006/04/01 (土) 3:12
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Hi All,

This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds
to go to WG docs:

a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
        draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
b) "hierarchy bis"
        draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
c) Call Support
        draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
d) Ethernet TSpec
        draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
e) OSPF-TE MIB
        draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt

Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.

My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the
migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.

Kireeti.
-------





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From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" <jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com>
To: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>,
	<ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
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Hi Kireeti,

I support these 5 Ids as WG docs.

Regards,

JL=20

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] De la part de Kireeti Kompella
> Envoy=E9 : vendredi 31 mars 2006 20:13
> =C0 : ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Objet : Progressing docs
>=20
> Hi All,
>=20
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the=20
> following I-Ds to go to WG docs:
>=20
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>=20
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>=20
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was=20
> for the migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check=20
> all these docs.
>=20
> Kireeti.
> -------
>=20
>=20




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In the spirit of continued communication with Study Group 15 of the ITU-T
we need to send information about our recently published RFCs. The
following is a draft liaison that I would like to send in time for their
interim meeting in Kobe, Japan later this month.

Comments please.

Thanks,
Adrian

=====
To: ITU-T Study Group 15
From: IETF CCAMP working group
Cc: IETF Routing Area Directors
For: Information

Subject: Recently published IETF RFCs relevant to GMPLS, Optical Transport
Networks, and Packet Transport Networks

The IETF's CCAMP working group is pleased to inform Study Group 15 of the
ITU-T of the publication of several new RFCs that are relevant to the work
that you are doing with optical and packet transport networks. Several of
these RFCs received useful review and input from Study Group 15
participants for which CCAMP would like to express its thanks.


RFC 4257
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4257.txt
Title
   Framework for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based Control of Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy/Synchronous Optical Networking (SDH/SONET) Networks
Abstract
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) is a suite of
   protocol extensions to MPLS to make it generally applicable, to
   include, for example, control of non packet-based switching, and
   particularly, optical switching.  One consideration is to use GMPLS
   protocols to upgrade the control plane of optical transport networks.
   This document illustrates this process by describing those extensions
   to GMPLS protocols that are aimed at controlling Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) or Synchronous Optical Networking (SONET) networks.
   SDH/SONET networks make good examples of this process for a variety
   of reasons.  This document highlights extensions to GMPLS-related
   routing protocols to disseminate information needed in transport path
   computation and network operations, together with (G)MPLS protocol
   extensions required for the provisioning of transport circuits.  New
   capabilities that an GMPLS control plane would bring to SDH/SONET
   networks, such as new restoration methods and multi-layer circuit
   establishment, are also discussed.

RFC 4258
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt
Title
   Requirements for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Routing for the Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
Abstract
   The Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) suite of
   protocols has been defined to control different switching
   technologies as well as different applications.  These include
   support for requesting Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) connections
   including Synchronous Optical Network (SONET)/Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs).

   This document concentrates on the routing requirements placed on the
   GMPLS suite of protocols in order to support the capabilities and
   functionalities of an Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
   as defined by the ITU-T.

RFC 4327
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4327.txt
Title
   Link Management Protocol (LMP) Management Information Base (MIB)
Abstract
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects for modeling the Link
   Management Protocol (LMP).

RFC 4328
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4328.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Signaling Extensions for G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control
Abstract
   This document is a companion to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS) signaling documents.  It describes the technology-
   specific information needed to extend GMPLS signaling to control
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN); it also includes the so-called
   pre-OTN developments.

RFC 4394
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4394.txt
Title
   A Transport Network View of the Link Management Protocol (LMP)
Abstract
   The Link Management Protocol (LMP) has been developed as part of the
   Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) protocol suite to manage Traffic Engineering
   (TE) resources and links.  The GMPLS control plane (routing and
   signaling) uses TE links for establishing Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs).  This memo describes the relationship of the LMP procedures
   to 'discovery' as defined in the International Telecommunication
   Union (ITU-T), and ongoing ITU-T work.  This document provides an
   overview of LMP in the context of the ITU-T Automatically Switched
   Optical Networks (ASON) and transport network terminology and relates
   it to the ITU-T discovery work to promote a common understanding for
   progressing the work of IETF and ITU-T.

RFC 4397
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4397.txt
Title
   A Lexicography for the Interpretation of Generalized Multiprotocol
   Label Switching (GMPLS) Terminology within the Context of the
   ITU-T's Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) Architecture
Abstract
   Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) has been developed
   by the IETF to facilitate the establishment of Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs) in a variety of data plane technologies and across several
   architectural models.  The ITU-T has specified an architecture for
   the control of Automatically Switched Optical Networks (ASON).

   This document provides a lexicography for the interpretation of GMPLS
   terminology within the context of the ASON architecture.

   It is important to note that GMPLS is applicable in a wider set of
   contexts than just ASON.  The definitions presented in this document
   do not provide exclusive or complete interpretations of GMPLS
   concepts.  This document simply allows the GMPLS terms to be applied
   within the ASON context.

RFC 4426
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4426.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Recovery Functional Specification
Abstract
   This document presents a functional description of the protocol
   extensions needed to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery (i.e., protection and restoration).
   Protocol specific formats and mechanisms will be described in
   companion documents.

RFC 4427
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4427.txt
Title
   Recovery (Protection and Restoration) Terminology
   for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
Abstract
   This document defines a common terminology for Generalized Multi-
   Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery mechanisms (i.e.,
   protection and restoration).  The terminology is independent of the
   underlying transport technologies covered by GMPLS.

RFC 4428
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4428.txt
Title
   Analysis of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based
   Recovery Mechanisms (including Protection and Restoration)
Abstract
   This document provides an analysis grid to evaluate, compare, and
   contrast the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   protocol suite capabilities with the recovery mechanisms currently
   proposed at the IETF CCAMP Working Group.  A detailed analysis of
   each of the recovery phases is provided using the terminology defined
   in RFC 4427.  This document focuses on transport plane survivability
   and recovery issues and not on control plane resilience and related
   aspects.


All IETF RFCs can be downloaded for free from http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html

The current work plan and progress status of the CCAMP working group can
be viewed at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html

The CCAMP working group welcomes questions and discussion about all of its
work from individuals or organisations. The CCAMP mailing list is open to
anyone. Details of subscription can be found on the CCAMP charter page.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Kireeti Kompella
CCAMP working group chairs






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From: Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: Progressing docs
To: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org
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See below. - Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:12 AM
Subject: Progressing docs


> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
Yes

> b) "hierarchy bis"
>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
Yes

> c) Call Support
>   draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
Yes

> d) Ethernet TSpec
>   draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
Yes

> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>   draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
Yes

> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------
> 




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I like your subtle (hint, hint) approach.

Jerry=20

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On
Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:11 AM
To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Cc: 'Kireeti Kompella'; Bill Fenner; Ross Callon; Scott Bradner
Subject: Proposed liaison to ITU-T on new RFCs

In the spirit of continued communication with Study Group 15 of the
ITU-T
we need to send information about our recently published RFCs. The
following is a draft liaison that I would like to send in time for their
interim meeting in Kobe, Japan later this month.

Comments please.

Thanks,
Adrian

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
To: ITU-T Study Group 15
From: IETF CCAMP working group
Cc: IETF Routing Area Directors
For: Information

Subject: Recently published IETF RFCs relevant to GMPLS, Optical
Transport
Networks, and Packet Transport Networks

The IETF's CCAMP working group is pleased to inform Study Group 15 of
the
ITU-T of the publication of several new RFCs that are relevant to the
work
that you are doing with optical and packet transport networks. Several
of
these RFCs received useful review and input from Study Group 15
participants for which CCAMP would like to express its thanks.

RFC 4257
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4257.txt
Title
   Framework for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based Control of Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy/Synchronous Optical Networking (SDH/SONET) Networks
Abstract
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) is a suite of
   protocol extensions to MPLS to make it generally applicable, to
   include, for example, control of non packet-based switching, and
   particularly, optical switching.  One consideration is to use GMPLS
   protocols to upgrade the control plane of optical transport networks.
   This document illustrates this process by describing those extensions
   to GMPLS protocols that are aimed at controlling Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) or Synchronous Optical Networking (SONET) networks.
   SDH/SONET networks make good examples of this process for a variety
   of reasons.  This document highlights extensions to GMPLS-related
   routing protocols to disseminate information needed in transport path
   computation and network operations, together with (G)MPLS protocol
   extensions required for the provisioning of transport circuits.  New
   capabilities that an GMPLS control plane would bring to SDH/SONET
   networks, such as new restoration methods and multi-layer circuit
   establishment, are also discussed.

RFC 4258
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt
Title
   Requirements for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Routing for the Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
Abstract
   The Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) suite of
   protocols has been defined to control different switching
   technologies as well as different applications.  These include
   support for requesting Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) connections
   including Synchronous Optical Network (SONET)/Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs).

   This document concentrates on the routing requirements placed on the
   GMPLS suite of protocols in order to support the capabilities and
   functionalities of an Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
   as defined by the ITU-T.

RFC 4327
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4327.txt
Title
   Link Management Protocol (LMP) Management Information Base (MIB)
Abstract
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects for modeling the Link
   Management Protocol (LMP).

RFC 4328
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4328.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Signaling Extensions for G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control
Abstract
   This document is a companion to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS) signaling documents.  It describes the technology-
   specific information needed to extend GMPLS signaling to control
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN); it also includes the so-called
   pre-OTN developments.

RFC 4394
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4394.txt
Title
   A Transport Network View of the Link Management Protocol (LMP)
Abstract
   The Link Management Protocol (LMP) has been developed as part of the
   Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) protocol suite to manage Traffic Engineering
   (TE) resources and links.  The GMPLS control plane (routing and
   signaling) uses TE links for establishing Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs).  This memo describes the relationship of the LMP procedures
   to 'discovery' as defined in the International Telecommunication
   Union (ITU-T), and ongoing ITU-T work.  This document provides an
   overview of LMP in the context of the ITU-T Automatically Switched
   Optical Networks (ASON) and transport network terminology and relates
   it to the ITU-T discovery work to promote a common understanding for
   progressing the work of IETF and ITU-T.

RFC 4397
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4397.txt
Title
   A Lexicography for the Interpretation of Generalized Multiprotocol
   Label Switching (GMPLS) Terminology within the Context of the
   ITU-T's Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) Architecture
Abstract
   Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) has been developed
   by the IETF to facilitate the establishment of Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs) in a variety of data plane technologies and across several
   architectural models.  The ITU-T has specified an architecture for
   the control of Automatically Switched Optical Networks (ASON).

   This document provides a lexicography for the interpretation of GMPLS
   terminology within the context of the ASON architecture.

   It is important to note that GMPLS is applicable in a wider set of
   contexts than just ASON.  The definitions presented in this document
   do not provide exclusive or complete interpretations of GMPLS
   concepts.  This document simply allows the GMPLS terms to be applied
   within the ASON context.

RFC 4426
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4426.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Recovery Functional Specification
Abstract
   This document presents a functional description of the protocol
   extensions needed to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery (i.e., protection and restoration).
   Protocol specific formats and mechanisms will be described in
   companion documents.

RFC 4427
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4427.txt
Title
   Recovery (Protection and Restoration) Terminology
   for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
Abstract
   This document defines a common terminology for Generalized Multi-
   Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery mechanisms (i.e.,
   protection and restoration).  The terminology is independent of the
   underlying transport technologies covered by GMPLS.

RFC 4428
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4428.txt
Title
   Analysis of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based
   Recovery Mechanisms (including Protection and Restoration)
Abstract
   This document provides an analysis grid to evaluate, compare, and
   contrast the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   protocol suite capabilities with the recovery mechanisms currently
   proposed at the IETF CCAMP Working Group.  A detailed analysis of
   each of the recovery phases is provided using the terminology defined
   in RFC 4427.  This document focuses on transport plane survivability
   and recovery issues and not on control plane resilience and related
   aspects.


All IETF RFCs can be downloaded for free from
http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html

The current work plan and progress status of the CCAMP working group can
be viewed at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html

The CCAMP working group welcomes questions and discussion about all of
its
work from individuals or organisations. The CCAMP mailing list is open
to
anyone. Details of subscription can be found on the CCAMP charter page.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Kireeti Kompella
CCAMP working group chairs







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The crankback draft
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-crankback-05.txt
has been in AD review (publication requested) for more than 10 months.
Can we have a status?

6 other drafts are in the CCAMP AD-review queue also, but not as long:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=3Dsearch_list&=
s
earch_job_owner=3D0&search_group_acronym=3Dccamp&search_status_id=3D&sear=
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cronym=3D&search_button=3DSEARCH.

Thanks,
Jerry

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
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Subject: draft-ietf-ccamp-crankback-05.txt ready for AD review

Hi Alex,=20

draft-ietf-ccamp-crankback-05.txt is ready for AD review and progression

through the process.=20

It is targeted at Standards Track.=20

The I-D has been through WG last call and has been liaised to ITU-T
SG15.=20

Updates have been made in response to comments made in both forums.=20

I am happy with these updates, but note that I am also the editor of
this=20
document.=20

Cheers,=20

Adrian




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Hi, Kiretti and Adrian

  Yes to all

Wataru

>Hi All,
>
>This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds to go 
>to WG docs:
>
>a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>         draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
>b) "hierarchy bis"
>         draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
>c) Call Support
>         draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
>d) Ethernet TSpec
>         draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
>e) OSPF-TE MIB
>         draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>
>Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
>My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
>migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>
>Kireeti.
>-------
>

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Subject: Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the CPS ID.
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Hi,

Thanks for the summary Rich.

PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
	(1) You think that there is a need for such solution,
	(2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)
	(3) You think that there is a need for both

Thanks.

JP.

On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As suggested in Dallas, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs =20
> between the two solutions described in draft-rbradfor-ccamp-=20
> confidential-segment-00.txt.
>
> -- Rich
>
>
>
> The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different =20
> but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution =20
> and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines =20
> a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.
>
>
>
> In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS =20
> by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. =20
> During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the =20
> PCE for an expansion.
>
> The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting =20
> it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the =20
> LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =20=

> obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).
>
>
>
> The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =20=

> control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, =20
> (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =20
> applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =20=

> size of objects added to existing messages.
>
>
>
> (1) Additional Control Message Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =20
> receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =20
> the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR =20
> must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =20
> message exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption =20
> solution does not require this extra exchange between the PCE and =20
> the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to =20=

> be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional =20
> delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional =20=

> delay for the PRS solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> (2) PCE and LSR Performance:
>
> The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys =20
> adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the =20
> encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =20
> LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =20
> requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on =20
> the PCE response time.
>
>
>
> (3) Addition of State in the PCE:
>
> The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =20
> maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =20
> additional state.
>
>
>
>
>
> (4) Solution Scope:
>
> The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE =20
> to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct =20
> solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working =20
> in the case where A's network straddles B's network and where A =20
> wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =20=

> network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be =20
> used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned =20
> RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be =20
> adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =20
> PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure location confidential from =20
> LSRs without a decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is =20
> maintained by returning the address of border nodes, which can be =20
> very misleading.
>
>
>
> (5) Message Object Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =20=

> path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be =20
> returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =20
> message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as =20
> large as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be =20
> significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of hops =20
> within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The =20
> result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS =20
> solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =20=

> Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =20
> implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could =20
> choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =20
> shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =20
> eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =20
> exchange could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need =20
> for a separate key exchange. These examples of extensions are =20
> beyond the scope of the ID, but might be useful when weighing the =20
> pros and cons of the two solutions.
>
>
>
>
>
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members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:</DIV><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</SPAN>(1) You =
think that there is a need for such solution,</DIV><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</SPAN>(2) You =
would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)</DIV><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</SPAN>(3) You =
think that there is a need for both</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>JP.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV>On Apr 5, 2006, =
at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"City">=
 <O:SMARTTAGTYPE =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" =
name=3D"place"> <DIV class=3D"Section1"><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">Hi,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">As =
suggested in <ST1:CITY w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE =
w:st=3D"on">Dallas</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, I=92ve described some of the =
tradeoffs between the two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>=
</P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">-- =
Rich<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very =
different but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) =
solution and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note =
examines a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution. =
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">In =
short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by saving =
it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP =
setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by =
encrypting it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During =
the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =
obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration). =
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) =
additional control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those =
objects, (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope =
(i.e. applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) =
the size of objects added to existing =
messages.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(1) Additional Control Message =
Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key =
upon receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =
the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must =
request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional message =
exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does =
not require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS solution but no additional delay for the PRS =
solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(2) PCE and LSR Performance:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) =
database of keys adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires =
the encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =
LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =
requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on the =
PCE response time.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">(3) Addition of State in the =
PCE:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS =
solution requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of =
a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional =
state.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3"=
 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(4) Solution Scope:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in =
conjunction with a PCE to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS =
provides no direct solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS =
solution for working in the case where A's network straddles B's network =
and where A wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the =
intervening network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS =
could be used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the =
returned RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could =
be adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, =
while keeping the failure location confidential from LSRs without a =
decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is maintained by =
returning the address of border nodes, which can be very =
misleading.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(5) Message Object Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS solution provides a very compact key =
or token to identify a path segment, which generally allows for smaller =
EROs to be returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =
message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as large =
as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger =
if it is desirable to hide the number of hops within the network from =
external view by padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH =
(and PCEP) messages for the PRS solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">Please note that the tradeoffs listed here =
are for the current I-D. Some of the shortcomings of each approach could =
be mitigated by implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a =
PCE could choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =
shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =
eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange =
could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate =
key exchange. These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the =
ID, but might be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two =
solutions.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">=A0<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> =
</O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"mailto:Pce@lists.ietf.org">Pce@lists.ietf.org</A></DIV><DIV =
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Hi,

Yes to all to facilitate further discussion of each draft. 

Thanks,
Yuichi

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:12:31 -0800 (PST)
"Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
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Hi,

I have had some responses to this request.

In case the information so far is unrepresentative, I'd really appreciate
it if you could take 5 minutes to send me a private response.

Thanks.

Adrian
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Subject: ERO implementation survey


> In Dallas, during discussion of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-addressing-03, we
> determined that implementations must support any form of ERO that is
> legitimately sent by any other implementation. At the same time there is
a
> desire to reduce the number of options if this is possible. Lastly,
there
> was some confusion about what the RFCs actually allow you to do, and
> rather than debate this as though we were lawyers, it may be more
> profitable to look at what current implementations do.
>
> Obviously we can do further work on this if/when RFCs 3209, 3471 and
3473
> go to Draft Standard.
>
> To move things forward, I would like to do an informal and
*confidential*
> survey of current implementations.
>
> Please respond to each question below with, Yes / No / NA
> NA would largely apply where the implementation is found on a NE where
the
> technology makes the ERO option inappropriate.
>
> Send your responses to me and not to the mailing lists (unless you fancy
> the publicity).
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
>
> 1. EROs built for use on Path messages
> For each hop in the path, which of the following options does your
> implementation utilise?
> This question applies to EROs that your implementations construct, NOT
to
> EROs that you forward.
>
> a. IP Address with non-full prefix length specifying a group of nodes
>
> b. AS number
>
> c. TE Router ID
>
> d. Incoming TE link ID
>
> e. Outgoing TE link ID
>
> f. Outgoing TE link ID followed by one or two Label subobjects
>
> g. Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component Interface ID subobject
>
> h. Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component Interface ID subobject
>    and one or two Label subobjects
>
> i. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> j. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID  followed by one or two
>    Label subobjects
>
> k. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject
>
> l. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject and one or two Label subobjects
>
> m. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> n. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID  followed by one or two
>    Label subobjects
>
> o. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject
>
> p. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject and one or two Label subobjects
>
> q. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> r. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID  followed
>    by one or two Label subobjects
>
> s. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID followed
>    by Component Interface ID subobject
>
> t. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID followed
>    by Component Interface ID subobject and one or two Label subobjects
>
> 2. EROs received from the previous hop on Path messages
> Which *top* subobjects in the ERO does your implementation support
> receiving?
> This question applies to ERO subobjects that your implementations must
> handle, NOT to ERO subobjects that you forward.
>
> a. IP Address with non-full prefix length specifying a group of nodes
>
> b. AS number
>
> c. TE Router ID
>
> d. Incoming TE link ID
>
> e. Outgoing TE link ID
>
> f. Outgoing TE link ID followed by one or two Label subobjects
>
> g. Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component Interface ID subobject
>
> h. Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component Interface ID subobject
>    and one or two Label subobjects
>
> i. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> j. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID  followed by one or two
>    Label subobjects
>
> k. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject
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> l. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
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Business project/ Representative

Qin Wang
Lloyds TSB Pacific Limited
Hong Kong Branch
Two Exchange Square
Central, Hong Kong
Tel/Fax: +852-301-57932
http://www.lloydstsb.com.hk

Thank you for giving me your time, it is of great importance for you to
take care and understand every word which I have written down below;
please be patient and read my email.

I am a staff of Lloyds TSB Group Plc here in Hong Kong attached in Private
Banking Services. I am contacting you concerning a customer and an
investment placed under our banks management; as a matter of fact it was 3
years ago. I would respectfully request that you keep the contents of this
mail private and also to kindly respect the integrity of the information
you come by as a result of this email.

I contacted you independently of our investigation and no one is informed
of this communication; I would like to intimate you with certain facts
that I believe would be of interest to you.In 2000, the subject matter;
Ref: FI/TSB/957/048/0532 came to our bank to engage in business
discussions with our Private Banking Services Department. He informed us
that he had a financial portfolio of 11.37 million United States Dollars,
which he wished to have us turn over (invest) on his behalf. I was the
officer assigned to his case; I made numerous suggestions in line with my
duties as the de-facto chief operations officer of the Private Banking
Services Department, especially given the volume of funds he wished to put
into our bank. We met on numerous occasions prior to any investments being
placed, and however I encouraged him to consider various growth funds with
prime ratings. The favored route in my advice to customers is to start by
assessing data on 600 traditional stocks and bond managers and 200
managers of alternative investments. Based on my advice, we spun the money
around various opportunities and made attractive margins for our first
months of operation, the accrued profit with interest included, stood at
this point at over 13.2 million United States Dollars, this margin was not
the full potential of the fund but he desired low risk guaranteed returns
on investments. In mid 2001, he asked that the money be liquidated because
he needed to make an urgent investment requiring cash payments in Europe.
He directed that I liquidate the funds and had it deposited with a firm in
Europe.

I informed him that our bank would have to make special arrangements to
have this done and in order not to circumvent due process, the bank would
have to make a 9.5 % deduction from the funds to cater for banking and
statutory charges. He complained about the charges but later came around
when I explained to him the complexities of the task he was asking of us.
Cash movement across borders has become especially strict since the
incidents of 9/11. I contacted my affiliate in Europe and had the funds
available in mainland Europe, I undertook all the processes and made sure
I followed his precise instructions to the letter and had the funds
deposited in a security consultancy firm, the firm is a specialist private
firm that accepts deposits from high net worth individuals and blue chip
corporations that handle valuable products or undertake transactions that
need immediate access to cash. This small and highly private organization
is familiar especially to the highly placed and well-connected
organizations. In line with instructions, the money was deposited; he told
me he wanted the money there in anticipation of his arrival from Norway
later that week. This was the last communication we had, this transpired
around February 25th 2002. In June last year, we got a call from the
security firm informing us of the inactivity of that particular portfolio.
This was an astounding position as far as I was concerned, given the fact
that I managed the private banking sector I was the only one who knew
about the deposit, and I could not understand why he had not come forward
to claim his deposit.I made futile efforts to locate him I immediately
passed the task of locating him to the internal investigations department
of our bank. Four days later, information started to trickle in, that he
was apparently dead, a person who suited his description was declared dead
of a heart attack in Cannes, South of France; we were soon enough able to
gather more information and the cause of death was confirmed. The bank
immediately launched an investigation into possible surviving next of kin
to alert about the situation and also to come forward to claim his estate.
If you are familiar with private banking affairs, those who patronize our
services usually prefer anonymity, but also some levels of detachment from
conventional processes. In his bio-data form, he listed no next of kin. In
the field of private banking, opening an account with us means no one will
know of its existence, accounts are rarely held under a name; depositors
use numbers and codes to make the accounts anonymous. This bank also gives
the choice to depositors of having their mail sent to them or held at the
bank itself, ensuring that there are no traces of the account and as I
said, rarely do they nominate next of kin. Private banking clients apart
from not nominating next of kin also usually in most cases leave wills in
our care, in this case; he died in testate.

In line with our internal processes for account holders who have passed
away, we instituted our own investigations in good faith to determine who
should have right to claim the estate, this investigation for several
months were futile. We have scanned every continent and used our private
investigation affiliate companies to get to the root of the problem. It is
this investigation that resulted in my decision to obtain your contact
details and contact you, being as a foreigner or rather non-Asian, as a
potential benefactor of the estate even if you are in no way affiliated
with this individual (the deceased).My official capacity dictates that I
am the only party to supervise the investigation and the only party to
receive the results of the investigation. What this means, with you being
a foreigner, I have considered the fact that our dear late fellow died
with no known or identifiable family member.

This leaves me as the only person with the full picture of what the
prevailing situation is in relation to the deposit and the late
beneficiary of the deposit. According to practice, the firm will by the
end of this financial year broadcast a request for statements of claim to
our bank, failing to receive viable claims they will most probably revert
the deposit back to our bank. This will result in the money entering our
bank's accounting system and the portfolio will be out of my hands and out
of the Private Banking Services Department. This will not happen if I have
my way.What I wish to relate to you might be a smack of unethical practice
but I want you to understand something; it is only an outsider to the
banking world who finds the internal politics of the banking world
aberrational. The world of private banking especially is fraught with huge
rewards for those who occupy certain offices and oversee certain
portfolios; you should have begun by now to put together the general
direction of what I propose. There is USD$ 11,991,674 deposited, I alone
have the deposit details and they will release the deposit to no one
unless I instruct them to do so.I alone know of the existence of this
deposit for as far as the finance firm is concerned, the transaction with
our deceased customer concluded when I sent the funds to the firm, all
outstanding interactions in relation to the file are just customer
services and due process. The finance firm has no single idea of what's
the history or nature of the deposit, they are simply awaiting
instructions to release the deposit to any party that comes forward, and
this is the situation.

This bank has spent great amounts of money trying to track the family of
the deceased; they have investigated for months and have found no family
but however the investigation has come to an end. My proposal; I am
prepared to place you in a position to instruct the finance firm to
release the deposit to you as the closest surviving relation. Upon receipt
of the deposit, I am prepared to share the money with you in half and no
more; that is: I will simply nominate you as the next of kin and have them
release the deposit to you; afterwards we share the proceeds 50/50.I would
have gone ahead to ask the funds be released to me, but that would have
drawn a straight line to me and my involvement in claiming the deposit,
but on the other hand, you as a indifferent foreigner would easily pass as
the beneficiary with the rights to claim, I assure you that I could have
the deposit released to you in a few days. I will simply inform our bank
of the final closing of the file relating to the customer, I will then
officially communicate with the finance company and instruct them to
release the deposit to you; with these two things: all is done. The
alternative would be for us to have the firm direct the funds to another
bank with you as account holder, this way there will be no need for you to
think of receiving the money from the firm.

We can fine-tune this based on our interactions, I am aware of the
consequences of this proposal and I ask that if you find no interest in
this project that you should discard this mail. I ask also, that you do
not be vindictive or destructive, if my offer is of no appeal to you,
delete this message and forget I ever contacted you; please not destroy my
career because you do not approve of my proposal. You may not know this
but people like me who have made tidy sums out of comparable situations
run the whole private banking sector, I am not a criminal and what I do, I
do not find against good conscience, this may be hard for you to
understand, but the dynamics of my industry dictates that I make this
move. Such opportunities only come ones' way once in a lifetime. I cannot
let this chance pass me by and I hope you understand, because for once I
found myself in total control and face to face with my destiny.

These chances won't pass me by, I ask that you do not destroy my chance,
if you will not work with me please let me know, and hence move on with my
life, but do not destroy me; I am a family man and this is an occasion to
provide them with new opportunities. There is a reward for this project
and it is a task well worth undertaking, I have evaluated the risks and
the only risk I have here is from you refusing to work with me and
alerting my bank; I am the only one who knows of this situation, good
fortune will bless you and plant you into the center of relevance in my
life, let�s share the blessing.

If you find yourself interested to work with me, please contact me
specifically, through this email account (qinwanginfo@emanssv.com), if you
give me positive signals, I will initiate this process towards a
conclusion. It is necessary to inform you that under no condition should
you contact me via official channels; I will simply deny knowing you and
about this project. I repeat, I do not want you contacting me through our
official lines neither do I want you contacting me through my official
email account. Contact me only through this email address above; I do not
want any direct link between you and me. My official lines are not secure
lines as they are periodically monitored to assess our level of customer
care in line with our Total Quality Management policy, please observe this
instruction religiously.

Please, again, note I am a family man; I happily married with two kids, I
send you this mail not without a measure of fear as to what the
consequences might be, but I know within me that nothing ventured is
nothing gained and that success and riches never come easy or on a platter
of gold, this is the one truth I have learned from my private banking
clients; do not betray my confidence. If we can be of one accord, I shall
have the pleasure of meeting you after this task has been completed plan a
meeting, soon.

I await your response.

Yours Sincerely,

Qin.



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Hi all,

I'm a PhD student on optical network and I'm following the development of
the GMPLS work.

I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical transport
network who where telling me their concern about creating dynamical path
over trails including optical amplifiers.

They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.

 

I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is there some
working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this problem.

 

Thank you for your attention

 

Best Regards,

Marco Ruffini.

 

CTVR, 

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Hello Marco,

You wrote:

> I�m a PhD student on optical network and I�m following the
> development of the GMPLS work.
> 
> I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical
> transport network who where telling me their concern about creating
> dynamical path over trails including optical amplifiers.
> 
> They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the 
> capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.

Cross-talk and gain are physical properties and not related
to bandwidth management like GMPLS.

IMO the concern is unjustified.

> I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is there
> some working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this
> problem.

IMO for the physical properties you should turn to the ITU-T.

Cheers, Huub.

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Hi Marco,

I think that Huub may over-simplify the question with his response.

The issues of cross-talk, amplification, etc. do impact on the selection
of lambdas to carry services of different lengths through the network, and
can become extremely important where transparent optical devices (for
example, PXCs) are used.

Suitable planning tools are available to make such decisions in real time,
but provisioning may be slower than "instant" because of the need to tune
power levels etc.

We should note that in lambda networks we are probably talking about
building transport connections. In general, such connections do not need
to be provisioned instantly and have relatively high latency. So a lot
depends on what you mean by "fast allocating."

With respect to what the IETF would or would not work on, we should
observe the following:

- The IETF does not generally do algorithms
   So the mechanism of computing suitable paths and choosing
   lambdas is out of scope. You would need to contact a specialist
   computation / NMS company for this sort of thing.
- There is (as far as I can see) no immediate impact on signaling.
   Once a path and a lambda have been selected, we already
   have the tools to establish the connections.
- There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
   stated.
- There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
- As Huub says, the IETF does not work on defining
   physical properties of optical links, nor on specifying
   the interactions between such properties.

Regards,
Adrian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Huub van Helvoort" <hhelvoort@chello.nl>
To: "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers


> Hello Marco,
>
> You wrote:
>
> > I�m a PhD student on optical network and I�m following the
> > development of the GMPLS work.
> >
> > I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical
> > transport network who where telling me their concern about creating
> > dynamical path over trails including optical amplifiers.
> >
> > They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
> > capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.
>
> Cross-talk and gain are physical properties and not related
> to bandwidth management like GMPLS.
>
> IMO the concern is unjustified.
>
> > I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is there
> > some working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this
> > problem.
>
> IMO for the physical properties you should turn to the ITU-T.
>
> Cheers, Huub.
>
> -- 
> ================================================================
>               http://members.chello.nl/hhelvoort/
> ================================================================
> Always remember that you are unique...just like everyone else...
>
>
>





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Furthermore RFC 4054 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4054.txt deals with some
of these issues.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:08 AM
To: Huub van Helvoort; Marco Ruffini
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Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers

Hi Marco,

I think that Huub may over-simplify the question with his response.

The issues of cross-talk, amplification, etc. do impact on the selection
of lambdas to carry services of different lengths through the network,
and
can become extremely important where transparent optical devices (for
example, PXCs) are used.

Suitable planning tools are available to make such decisions in real
time,
but provisioning may be slower than "instant" because of the need to
tune
power levels etc.

We should note that in lambda networks we are probably talking about
building transport connections. In general, such connections do not need
to be provisioned instantly and have relatively high latency. So a lot
depends on what you mean by "fast allocating."

With respect to what the IETF would or would not work on, we should
observe the following:

- The IETF does not generally do algorithms
   So the mechanism of computing suitable paths and choosing
   lambdas is out of scope. You would need to contact a specialist
   computation / NMS company for this sort of thing.
- There is (as far as I can see) no immediate impact on signaling.
   Once a path and a lambda have been selected, we already
   have the tools to establish the connections.
- There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
   stated.
- There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
- As Huub says, the IETF does not work on defining
   physical properties of optical links, nor on specifying
   the interactions between such properties.

Regards,
Adrian

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Huub van Helvoort" <hhelvoort@chello.nl>
To: "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers


> Hello Marco,
>
> You wrote:
>
> > I'm a PhD student on optical network and I'm following the
> > development of the GMPLS work.
> >
> > I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical
> > transport network who where telling me their concern about creating
> > dynamical path over trails including optical amplifiers.
> >
> > They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
> > capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.
>
> Cross-talk and gain are physical properties and not related
> to bandwidth management like GMPLS.
>
> IMO the concern is unjustified.
>
> > I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is
there
> > some working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this
> > problem.
>
> IMO for the physical properties you should turn to the ITU-T.
>
> Cheers, Huub.
>
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Hi all,

IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network elements such 
as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical transport networks.
However, the current GMPLS does not provide any functionality to keep track 
of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh networks must be 
statically designed, during the network planning, to guarantee that even the 
most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is acceptable. Otherwise, 
because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can successfully be set up 
even if they do not comply with physical parameters constraints.
However, the worst case design approach heavily limits the size of the 
transparent networks.

  Filippo


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrian Farrel"
>  [..]
> - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
>   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
>   stated.
> - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
>   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
>   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
>   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
>   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.





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Hi all

About a year ago we started to collect requirements for towards this
area in a draft. Our current thinking is that the optical/photonic
networks will have fairly proprietary ways of dealing with the
non-linear properties but that the interface to GMPLS can be summarized
as a fairly generic network interface with a simple metric and a
blocking capability. We only got as far a the requirements.  The draft
is in in need of a refresh I will try to do that shortly.  I have to
contact some other people who were interested in the area.=20

If you cannot find a copy of the draft I will send it to you.=20

draft-ashwood-ccamp-gmpls-constraint-reqts-00

Regards,
Don=20

  =20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Filippo Cugini
>=20
>=20
> Hi all,
>=20
> IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network=20
> elements such=20
> as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical=20
> transport networks. However, the current GMPLS does not=20
> provide any functionality to keep track=20
> of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh=20
> networks must be=20
> statically designed, during the network planning, to=20
> guarantee that even the=20
> most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is=20
> acceptable. Otherwise,=20
> because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can=20
> successfully be set up=20
> even if they do not comply with physical parameters=20
> constraints. However, the worst case design approach heavily=20
> limits the size of the=20
> transparent networks.
>=20
>   Filippo
>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Adrian Farrel"
> >  [..]
> > - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
> >   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
> >   stated.
> > - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
> >   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
> >   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
> >   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
> >   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Kireeti Kompella wrote:

> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds to go to 
> WG docs:
>
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
> 	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
> 	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
> 	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
> 	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
> 	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.

Thanks, all, for your responses.  All of the above have support.

Authors/editors, please resubmit your docs as WG docs:

 	draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-00.txt
  	draft-ietf-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-00.txt
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  	draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-00.txt

Please make sure that the formating complies and that there are no 
non-ascii characters in your doc.

Hierarchy-bis: please change the title as agreed.

Thanks again,
Kireeti.
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Hi Marco,

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Marco Ruffini wrote:

> I'm a PhD student on optical network and I'm following the development of
> the GMPLS work.
>
> I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical transport
> network who where telling me their concern about creating dynamical path
> over trails including optical amplifiers.
>
> They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
> capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.

We've talked on and off about these in CCAMP, and there have been 
drafts to describe some of the various optical impairments to consider.

In the GMPLS structure defined so far, there are link attributes (such 
as metrics and bandwidth), and typically, these can be combined simply 
to get a functioning path.  Thus, for metrics, the combining function 
is summation, and for bandwidth, the function is "min".

To accommodate attributes that are not carried as TE extensions today, 
we may have to add node attributes (say for dB loss across a mirror 
complex).  We may also have to linearize impairments, or define how 
they are composed across links and nodes; this is not always easy to do.

You say "fast allocating new wavelengths".  I would have thought that 
the issue is not how fast the allocation is, but whether the 
allocation and ultimately, the optical LSP setup, is successful taking 
into account optics and physics.

Kireeti.
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From: "Richard Rabbat" <richard@us.fujitsu.com>
To: "'Don Fedyk'" <dwfedyk@nortel.com>,
        "'Filippo Cugini'" <filippo.cugini@cnit.it>,
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Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:55:00 -0700
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Hi,
There are pros and cons to advertising optical information including =
lambda
availability and optical impairements.  GMPLS is not supposed to replace
advanced path computation tools. Actually, an entity such as the PCE =
would
be a perfect piece in the architecture of a lambda network as it is =
expected
to provide advanced computation capabilities beyond CSPF.
<begin shameless plug from my draft>
Actually, we've been looking at some interop scenarii where we are =
clearly
in need for standardization and mentioned one such scenario in=20
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-shiba-ccamp-gmpls-lambda-labels=
-01
.txt
<end>
I think it's time to do a proper analysis of what support already =
exists,
what is still needed and work on extensions (if needed) to support the =
new
generation of ROADM and PXC devices where interop is required.
A few vendors who build ROADMs and PXCs, as well as SPs deploying them =
have
expressed interest in this topic when we discussed the 1st version at =
CCAMP.
I think it's time to sit down and take a stab at it so we have an
interesting draft to discuss in Montreal.
Send me email if you have some cycles to spare on this topic.
Richard.
=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Don Fedyk
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:05 AM
> To: Filippo Cugini; Adrian Farrel; Marco Ruffini
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
>=20
>=20
> Hi all
>=20
> About a year ago we started to collect requirements for towards this
> area in a draft. Our current thinking is that the optical/photonic
> networks will have fairly proprietary ways of dealing with the
> non-linear properties but that the interface to GMPLS can be=20
> summarized
> as a fairly generic network interface with a simple metric and a
> blocking capability. We only got as far a the requirements.  The draft
> is in in need of a refresh I will try to do that shortly.  I have to
> contact some other people who were interested in the area.=20
>=20
> If you cannot find a copy of the draft I will send it to you.=20
>=20
> draft-ashwood-ccamp-gmpls-constraint-reqts-00
>=20
> Regards,
> Don=20
>=20
>   =20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Filippo Cugini
> >=20
> >=20
> > Hi all,
> >=20
> > IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network=20
> > elements such=20
> > as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical=20
> > transport networks. However, the current GMPLS does not=20
> > provide any functionality to keep track=20
> > of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh=20
> > networks must be=20
> > statically designed, during the network planning, to=20
> > guarantee that even the=20
> > most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is=20
> > acceptable. Otherwise,=20
> > because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can=20
> > successfully be set up=20
> > even if they do not comply with physical parameters=20
> > constraints. However, the worst case design approach heavily=20
> > limits the size of the=20
> > transparent networks.
> >=20
> >   Filippo
> >=20
> >=20
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: "Adrian Farrel"
> > >  [..]
> > > - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
> > >   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
> > >   stated.
> > > - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
> > >   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
> > >   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
> > >   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
> > >   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
>=20





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Huub,

It is true that GMPLS addresses bandwidth management as one of the primary  
concerns but GMPLS as such thus include information that is aimed at  
enabling end notes to establish and end-to-end light path. This being the  
case, the constraints regarding the quality of that path from physical  
properties perspective is crucial to be taken in consideration. Otherwise  
we might need to maintain a secondary system just to deal with these  
effects. So it is justified to start this discussion to see if GMPLS could  
be extended to also carry that information.

rgds, americo./


On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:07:46 +0200, Huub van Helvoort  
<hhelvoort@chello.nl> wrote:

> Hello Marco,
>
> You wrote:
>
>> I���m a PhD student on optical network and I���m following the
>> development of the GMPLS work.
>>  I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical
>> transport network who where telling me their concern about creating
>> dynamical path over trails including optical amplifiers.
>>  They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the  
>> capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.
>
> Cross-talk and gain are physical properties and not related
> to bandwidth management like GMPLS.
>
> IMO the concern is unjustified.
>
>> I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is there
>> some working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this
>> problem.
>
> IMO for the physical properties you should turn to the ITU-T.
>
> Cheers, Huub.
>



-- 
Americo F. Muchanga
Telecommunications Systems Lab (TSLAB/KTH)
School of Information and Communication Technology
The Royal Institute of Technology KTH
Stockholm, Sweden




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Hi,
My understanding is that supposing that the optical path can be =
physically
allocated (e.g. none of the optical trails included in the path get =
blocked
for physical constraint reasons), there must be an adaptation in the
operative parameters of the optical amplifiers to avoid that the setup =
of a
new wavelength could disturb the signals brought by the other =
wavelengths in
the same fiber.


So on one hand GMPLS should consider if there is any blocking physical
constraint that may impair the allocating of a new wavelength on a =
specified
path.
On the other hand it should be considered how long it would take to the
transport layer to adapt all the physical parameter in the path to =
include a
new wavelength on the fiber without disturbing the existing signals (I
imagine this could be quite a lengthy process if more amplifiers are
cascaded, like in a long haul system for example). This issue I think =
would
put a lower limit to the reconfiguration-time of new optical paths. =20

Marco

-----Original Message-----
From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]=20
Sent: 10 April 2006 16:31
To: Marco Ruffini
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers=20

Hi Marco,

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Marco Ruffini wrote:

> I'm a PhD student on optical network and I'm following the development =
of
> the GMPLS work.
>
> I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical transport
> network who where telling me their concern about creating dynamical =
path
> over trails including optical amplifiers.
>
> They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
> capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.

We've talked on and off about these in CCAMP, and there have been=20
drafts to describe some of the various optical impairments to consider.

In the GMPLS structure defined so far, there are link attributes (such=20
as metrics and bandwidth), and typically, these can be combined simply=20
to get a functioning path.  Thus, for metrics, the combining function=20
is summation, and for bandwidth, the function is "min".

To accommodate attributes that are not carried as TE extensions today,=20
we may have to add node attributes (say for dB loss across a mirror=20
complex).  We may also have to linearize impairments, or define how=20
they are composed across links and nodes; this is not always easy to do.

You say "fast allocating new wavelengths".  I would have thought that=20
the issue is not how fast the allocation is, but whether the=20
allocation and ultimately, the optical LSP setup, is successful taking=20
into account optics and physics.

Kireeti.
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Hi,

It's been pointed out to me that some folk in CCAMP might not be following
the MPLS mailing list too closely.

The MPLS working group has received the liaison below from the ITU-T with
respect to three Recommendations that have been produced on "Transport
MPLS" known as T-MPLS.

T-MPLS appears to be the use of some of the facilities of an MPLS data
plane in order to construct a packet-based transport network. Although no
work on the control plane has been started, we may see this a prime
candidate for GMPLS since the GMPLS protocol family is tuned for transport
networks and supports MPLS packet data planes.

Your review input on these documents is welcomed and should, in the first
instance, be sent to the MPLS working group who are putting together a
coordinated response.

Cheers,
Adrian

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To: "George Swallow" <swallow@cisco.com>; "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.se>
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>
> Title: T-MPLS Consented Recommendations
> Submission Date: 2006-04-02
> URL of the IETF Web page:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=207
> Please reply by 2006-04-17
>
> From: Greg Jones(ITU-T SG 15) <tsbsg15@itu.int>
> To: IETF MPLS WG, CC: MFA Forum(George Swallow <swallow@cisco.com>, Loa
Andersson <loa@pi.se>)
> Cc: info@mfaforum.org
> maeda@ansl.ntt.co.jp
> sjtrowbridge@lucent.com
> rcallon@juniper.net
> fenner@research.att.com
> sob@harvard.edu
> sbrim@cisco.com
> mpls@lists.ietf.org
> Reponse Contact: tsbsg15@itu.int
> Technical Contact: Ghani.Abbas@marconi.com
> mark.jones@sprint.com
> betts01@nortel.com
> Purpose: For action
> Body: We apologize for not having sent a liaison regarding three
consented Recommendations related to
> T-MPLS. The intent of these Recommendations is not to change MPLS but
rather to identify a
> subset of existing MPLS necessary and sufficient to provide
connection-oriented packet transport.
> The approach to the work was to make a profile of the MPLS data plane
functionalities defined in
> IETF RFCs using the description of MPLS provided in G.8110 (which was
approved last year).
> The intended application of this profile is to provide a
connection-oriented packet transport
> network.
> The focus of the three new recommendations is on the data plane aspects
of T-MPLS. Control plane
> aspects are currently for further study and the work on this subject is
starting.
> According to our work methodology the T-MPLS definitions are split into
the three main
> Recommendations that have been consented in February 2006:
> * G.8110.1 dealing with the T-MPLS Architecture
> * G.8112 dealing with T-MPLS interface specification
> * G.8121 dealing with T-MPLS equipment functional specification
> A brief high-level introduction of the essential features and selected
options for Transport MPLS
> can be found in section 6/G.8110.1.
> The objective of the work done by ITU-T SG15 was to define a way to use
MPLS as a connection-
> oriented packet-based transport solution for packet aware transport
networks that can support both
> packet and circuit (e.g. SDH, OTH or WDM) switching technologies under a
common operation,
> control and management paradigm. For this purpose T-MPLS deploys the
MPLS frame format,
> Client to MPLS mapping and MPLS to MPLS multiplexing and complements
this with transport
> network OAM (Y.1711), nested connection monitoring requiring the labels
to be present up to the
> final node in the network, protection switching (Y.1720/G.8131),
transport network based control
> and management planes, maintaining frame ordering and a restricted
number of classes of
> service/queues.
> * MPLS has many applications and it is desirable to identify a subset of
MPLS technology that
> provides the necessary and sufficient functionality for transport
applications.
> We have indicated below some of the options we have selected :-
> * In IETF RFCs the usage of PHP is optional. We decided not to use it in
order to simplify OAM
> procedures
> * In IETF RFCs the usage of merging is optional. We decided not to use
it in order to simplify
> OAM procedures and also because the relative lower number of LSPs to be
supported is not
> considered a major scaling issue
> * The usage of ECMP is optional. We decided not to use it in order to
simplify OAM procedures
> * Leaving labels 16-31 for further study was seen as a no change because
the label allocation on a
> link is defined in IETF RFCs as a local matter for any MPLS device.
> We are not expecting that the current version of the specification is
going to create any
> interoperability issue. We envisage two possible cases of
interoperability:
> 1. Interoperability between a T-MPLS box and an existing full-featured
and fully configurable
> MPLS box can be solved by configuring the MPLS box to use the same
options selected by T-
> MPLS (T-MPLS being a profile of MPLS this should be possible). In this
case the link between
> the two boxes is a T-MPLS link and in the scope of our Recommendations.
> 2. Interoperability between a transport platform supporting T-MPLS and
an existing MPLS box
> that uses a different option selection than T-MPLS, should be solved by
the transport platform.
> In this case the link between the transport platform and the MPLS box is
not a T-MPLS link and
> therefore it is outside the scope of T-MPLS recommendations. We are
looking for cooperation
> with IETF to develop the detailed specification of this case.
> Please find attached the text of the consented Recommendations.  Please
note that some minor
> modifications may be made to these draft Recommendations as a result of
comments made during
> the approval process
> We will appreciate your comments and suggestions in relation to the
initial scope of T-MPLS as a
> packet transport network technology.
> We are planning to review your comments during the next meeting that is
planned in Kobe (Japan)
> on 22-27 April 2006. Results of the comments will be included into our
future work (e.g. corrigenda
> or amendments) on T-MPLS Recommendations. Amendments of T-MPLS
Recommendations are
> already in our plan for the next SG15 plenary meeting in November
2006.We are looking forward
> for future cooperation with you in T-MPLS data plane and control plane
evolution.
>
> Attachments: Consented Text of G.8110.1, G.8112, G.8121
> Attachment(s):
>      Consented Text of G.8110.1
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file288.zip)
>      Consented Text of G.8112
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file289.zip)
>      Consented Text of G.8121
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file290.zip)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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	Title		: Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switching Router (LSR) Management Information Base
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Title: Recently published IETF RFCs relevant to GMPLS, Optical Transport Networks, and Packet Transport Networks
Submission Date: 2006-04-12
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=213 

From: Adrian Farrel(IETF CCAMP WG) <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: ITU-T SG15(Greg Jones <greg.jones@itu.int>)
Cc: Kam Lam <hklam@lucent.com>
Malcolm Betts <betts01@nortel.com>
Stephen Trowbridge <sjtrowbridge@lucent.com>
Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>
Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>
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Purpose: For information 
Body: Recently published IETF RFCs relevant to GMPLS, Optical Transport Networks, and Packet Transport Networks

The IETF's CCAMP working group is pleased to inform Study Group 15 of the ITU-T of the publication of several new RFCs that are relevant to the work that you are doing with optical and packet transport networks. Several of these RFCs received useful review and input from Study Group 15 participants for which CCAMP would like to express its thanks.


RFC 4257
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4257.txt
Title
   Framework for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label 
   Switching (GMPLS)-based Control of Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy/Synchronous Optical Networking (SDH/SONET) Networks
Abstract
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) is a suite of
   protocol extensions to MPLS to make it generally applicable, to
   include, for example, control of non packet-based switching, and
   particularly, optical switching.  One consideration is to use GMPLS
   protocols to upgrade the control plane of optical transport networks.
   This document illustrates this process by describing those extensions
   to GMPLS protocols that are aimed at controlling Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) or Synchronous Optical Networking (SONET) networks.
   SDH/SONET networks make good examples of this process for a variety
   of reasons.  This document highlights extensions to GMPLS-related
   routing protocols to disseminate information needed in transport path
   computation and network operations, together with (G)MPLS protocol
   extensions required for the provisioning of transport circuits.  New
   capabilities that an GMPLS control plane would bring to SDH/SONET
   networks, such as new restoration methods and multi-layer circuit
   establishment, are also discussed.

RFC 4258
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt
Title
   Requirements for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Routing for the Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
Abstract
   The Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) suite of
   protocols has been defined to control different switching
   technologies as well as different applications.  These include
   support for requesting Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) connections
   including Synchronous Optical Network (SONET)/Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs).

   This document concentrates on the routing requirements placed on the
   GMPLS suite of protocols in order to support the capabilities and
   functionalities of an Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
   as defined by the ITU-T.

RFC 4327
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4327.txt
Title
   Link Management Protocol (LMP) Management Information Base (MIB)
Abstract
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects for modeling the Link
   Management Protocol (LMP).

RFC 4328
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4328.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Signaling Extensions for G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control
Abstract
   This document is a companion to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS) signaling documents.  It describes the technology-
   specific information needed to extend GMPLS signaling to control
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN); it also includes the so-called
   pre-OTN developments.

RFC 4394
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4394.txt
Title
   A Transport Network View of the Link Management Protocol (LMP)
Abstract
   The Link Management Protocol (LMP) has been developed as part of the
   Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) protocol suite to manage Traffic Engineering
   (TE) resources and links.  The GMPLS control plane (routing and
   signaling) uses TE links for establishing Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs).  This memo describes the relationship of the LMP procedures
   to 'discovery' as defined in the International Telecommunication
   Union (ITU-T), and ongoing ITU-T work.  This document provides an
   overview of LMP in the context of the ITU-T Automatically Switched
   Optical Networks (ASON) and transport network terminology and relates
   it to the ITU-T discovery work to promote a common understanding for
   progressing the work of IETF and ITU-T.

RFC 4397
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4397.txt
Title
   A Lexicography for the Interpretation of Generalized Multiprotocol
   Label Switching (GMPLS) Terminology within the Context of the
   ITU-T's Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) Architecture
Abstract
   Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) has been developed
   by the IETF to facilitate the establishment of Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs) in a variety of data plane technologies and across several
   architectural models.  The ITU-T has specified an architecture for
   the control of Automatically Switched Optical Networks (ASON).

   This document provides a lexicography for the interpretation of GMPLS
   terminology within the context of the ASON architecture.

   It is important to note that GMPLS is applicable in a wider set of
   contexts than just ASON.  The definitions presented in this document
   do not provide exclusive or complete interpretations of GMPLS
   concepts.  This document simply allows the GMPLS terms to be applied
   within the ASON context.

RFC 4426
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4426.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Recovery Functional Specification
Abstract
   This document presents a functional description of the protocol
   extensions needed to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery (i.e., protection and restoration).
   Protocol specific formats and mechanisms will be described in
   companion documents.

RFC 4427
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4427.txt
Title
   Recovery (Protection and Restoration) Terminology
   for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
Abstract
   This document defines a common terminology for Generalized Multi-
   Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery mechanisms (i.e.,
   protection and restoration).  The terminology is independent of the
   underlying transport technologies covered by GMPLS.

RFC 4428
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4428.txt
Title
   Analysis of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based
   Recovery Mechanisms (including Protection and Restoration)
Abstract
   This document provides an analysis grid to evaluate, compare, and
   contrast the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   protocol suite capabilities with the recovery mechanisms currently
   proposed at the IETF CCAMP Working Group.  A detailed analysis of
   each of the recovery phases is provided using the terminology defined
   in RFC 4427.  This document focuses on transport plane survivability
   and recovery issues and not on control plane resilience and related
   aspects.


All IETF RFCs can be downloaded for free from http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html

The current work plan and progress status of the CCAMP working group can
be viewed at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html

The CCAMP working group welcomes questions and discussion about all of its
work from individuals or organisations. The CCAMP mailing list is open to
anyone. Details of subscription can be found on the CCAMP charter page.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Kireeti Kompella
CCAMP working group chairs
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A couple of quick comment to the T-MPLS specs.

G.8110.1

"Bidirectional LSPs are supported by associating two unidirectional LSPs in
the data plane"

[dc] This sentence seems to exclude the possibility to have a simmetric
bi-directional LSP.  If GMPLS is used as a control plane for T-MPLS should
be good to include the possibility to have simmetric bidirectional LSPs
given that GMPLS support the set-up of that kind of circuits.  Moreover
having a single 5-tuple identifiyng a bidirectional LSP simplify the
maintenence of bi-dicectional circuits.



"Both global and per interface label space are supported"

[dc] RFC 3031 defines the two kind of label scope as:

1      per-interface label space

2      per-platform label space.

I think that the definition of 3031 should be also used in G.8110.1, given
that the term global is misleading.



Regards


Diego






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To: ITU-T Study Group 15
       Greg Jones greg.jones@itu.int

Cc: IETF statements@ietf.org
       Stephen Trowbridge sjtrowbridge@lucent.com
       Ghani Abbas Ghani.Abbas@marconi.com
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       CCAMP mailing list ccamp@ops.ietf.org

From: IETF MPLS Working Group

Response contact: Loa Andersson loa@pi.se

Technical contact: Loa Andersson loa@pi.se

Purpose: Response

Subject: Response to your liaison on T-MPLS Consented Recommendations

Thank you for liaising G.8110.1, G.8112 and G.8121 on April 2, and
requesting a response by April 17.

It will not be possible for the MPLS Working Group to do a comprehensive
review in this short time. Our mode of operation normally gives a two week
period to review (working group last call) for well-known and
well-discussed documents. Since this topic is mostly new to the working
group, it is our estimate that we will need a four week period.

We, therefore, intend to send our comments to SG15 by May 17.

  We sincerely hope that it will be possible for you to accommodate this
late response, and take our comments into your process.

Loa Andersson and George Swallow
IETF MPLS Working Group Co-Chairs

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Hi,

Minutes from Dallas are at
http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06mar/minutes/ccamp.html

Please review and comment.

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Hi,

The three recent updates posted by Tom complete (we believe) the revisions
from MIB Doctor review. the changes were many, but completely editorial.

You may want to have a skim to see what you think, but we do not see the
need for a further WG last call.

Thanks,
Adrian





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Hi,

As originators of the GMPLS extensions for OSPF (RFC4203) the CCAMP
working group has a responsibility to develop a MIB module for the
management and modelling of these extensions. At the same time, we
observed that there is currently no MIB module for the TE extensions
described in RFC3630.

We have started a work item in draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-00.txt to
provide this support and we would welcome ongoing review and input from
the OSPF working group. Comments on the CCAMP mailing list or direct to
the authors or chairs.

If there is a strong feeling that the work should be in the OSPF working
group we are open to negotiation. In particular, I notice that
draft-ietf-ospf-mib-update-10.txt is still in progress,

Thanks,
Adrian





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	Title		: Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) RSVP-TE Signaling Extensions in support of Calls
	Author(s)	: D. Papadimitriou, A. Farrel
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In certain networking topologies it may be advantageous to maintain
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A Call does not provide the actual connectivity for transmitting user
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Working Group(s),

(after agreement with the ccamp co-chairs this is sent to the
ccamp list also)

after discussion with representatives for SG15 and Q12/15 we've
some tentative procedure to get our comments on Transport-MPLS
into the ITU process.

EoB today (Tuesday April 18th) we will give them a list of areas
where we have concerns (copy to the mpls mailing list).
"End of Business day" will be understood as 11.59PM here
in Stockholm (corresponds to approx. 6PM in Boston).

We will abstract the list from comments sent to the mpls mailling
list.

On Friday (April 21st) we will send them a more consolidated list,
they have a meeting in Kobe the following week.

However, the formal working group comments will be sent to them
May 17th.

Please send (furthher) comments on

G.8110.1 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file288.zip)
G.8112 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file289.zip)
G.8121 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file290.zip)

to the mpls working group mailing list.

/Loa and George
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Hi,

Good advice from the IESG on how to classify your references in I-Ds.

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Tom and Adrian,

Thanks for the great update.  A few minor comments.

Thanks, 
  Joan


*Compiles cleanly with smicngPRO and smilint.


1)  The expiration Date which appears as a page
header is incorrect:

Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 2]


2) gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps OBJECT-TYPE

     REFERENCE
       "1. Generalized MPLS Signaling - CR-LDP Extensions, RFC 3472.
        2. Generalized MPLS Signaling - RSVP-TE Extensions, RFC 3473."
     DEFVAL { { rsvpGmpls } }

The above references have updates (e.g. see ccamp Charter page)
and so think these updating RFCs should also be included
here and in the Normative Reference section:

RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420

Please be sure to update these RFCs in other REFERENCE
clauses also.


3) The DESCRIPTION clause of gmplsInterfaceEntry
says"...A conceptual row in this table may also be created via SNMP
        SET commands or automatically by the LSR to supplement a
        conceptual row in the mplsInterfaceTable where the interface
        is not capable of GMPLS but where the other objects carried
        in this row provide useful additional information for an
        MPLS interface."

As I mentioned previously, I think you need to call out
these MPLS objects (i.e. the objects which do not require
GMPLS but are in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB module)
in a separate conformance group, but as I look at this
MIB, it appears that all the objects seem to apply to 
MPLS, if this is accurate, then please update the
DESCRIPTION clauses of the ALL conformance groups to
indicate that these objects also apply to MPLS.

As an example:

   gmplsInterfaceGroup OBJECT-GROUP
     OBJECTS {
       gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps,
       gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod
     }
     STATUS  current
     DESCRIPTION
       "Collection of objects needed for GMPLS interface configuration
        and performance information."
   ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 1 }

Should be changed to:

"Collection of objects which provide additional information for
an MPLS interface and are needed for GMPLS interface configuration
and performance information."


4) Typo:

   gmplsLsrModuleReadOnlyCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE
     STATUS current
     DESCRIPTION
       "Compliance requirement for implementations that only provide
        read-only support for GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB. Such devices can then
        be monitored but cannot be configured using this MIB modules."

Last part of the last sentence:

"...configured using this MIB module."


5) GMPLS-LABEL-STD-MIB

DESCRIPTION:
       "...
        This MIB module contains managed object definitions for labels
        within GMPLS systems as defined in:
        Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling
        Functional Description, Berger, L. (Editor), RFC 3471,
        January 2003."


RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328

Please add these other RFCs and be sure to add them
to the Normative Reference Section. 


6) Typo:

gmplsLabelTable
DESCRIPTION:

"... Labels in the tables in other MIB modules may be referred
     to using row pointer into this table."

Should be "using a row pointer"

7) Typo:

gmplsLabelTable
DESCRIPTION:


  "...a set of resources in the data plane. Practial examples are"

s/Practial/Practical


8) ReadOnly Compliance:

     OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
     SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1) }
     MIN-ACCESS   read-only
     DESCRIPTION
       "Support for notInService, createAndWait and notReady is not
        required."


Would change the DESCRIPTION to:
       "Write access is not required, and active is the only status that
       needs to be supported."


9) Full Compliance:

     OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
     SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
     WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
                              createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
     DESCRIPTION
       "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."


Would remove this.  Based on the 
gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
believe you should allow createAndWait and also
Agent could/should be able to report notReady.


10) NIT: 

Would remove the (for example, wavelength labels) because
I was expecting to see the example carried though and list
the groups for wavelength labels.


Also, need to add gmplsLabelWavebandGroup to the
list of groups.

Updates appear below:

     DESCRIPTION
       "Necessary, but not sufficient, set of objects to implement label
        table support. In addition, depending on the type of labels
        supported, the following other
        groups defined below are mandatory:
          gmplsLabelPacketGroup and/or
          gmplsLabelPortWavelengthGroup and/or
          gmplsLabelFreeformGroup and/or
          gmplsLabelSonetSdhGroup and/or
          gmplsLabelWavebandGroup."



11) Just a reminder to update Normative References
as discussed above:
RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420

end.




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- 'Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Extensions for 
   Synchronous Optical Network (SONET) and Synchronous Digital Hierarchy (SDH) 
   Control '
   <draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc3946bis-01.txt> as a Proposed Standard

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	Thanks again. Really just 2 quick questions below
for clarification and we can ship this one.

	--Tom

>
> Tom and Adrian,
>
> Thanks for the great update.  A few minor comments.
>
> Thanks,
>   Joan
>
>
> *Compiles cleanly with smicngPRO and smilint.

	Yes!

> 1)  The expiration Date which appears as a page
> header is incorrect:
>
> Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 2]

	Fixed.

> 2) gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps OBJECT-TYPE
>
>      REFERENCE
>        "1. Generalized MPLS Signaling - CR-LDP Extensions, RFC 3472.
>         2. Generalized MPLS Signaling - RSVP-TE Extensions, RFC 3473."
>      DEFVAL { { rsvpGmpls } }
>
> The above references have updates (e.g. see ccamp Charter page)
> and so think these updating RFCs should also be included
> here and in the Normative Reference section:
>
> RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
> RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420
>
> Please be sure to update these RFCs in other REFERENCE
> clauses also.

	Fixed remainder in this module and in the gmpls-te mib
too.  There were no references in the tc mib.

> 3) The DESCRIPTION clause of gmplsInterfaceEntry
> says"...A conceptual row in this table may also be created via SNMP
>         SET commands or automatically by the LSR to supplement a
>         conceptual row in the mplsInterfaceTable where the interface
>         is not capable of GMPLS but where the other objects carried
>         in this row provide useful additional information for an
>         MPLS interface."
>
> As I mentioned previously, I think you need to call out
> these MPLS objects (i.e. the objects which do not require
> GMPLS but are in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB module)
> in a separate conformance group, but as I look at this
> MIB, it appears that all the objects seem to apply to
> MPLS, if this is accurate, then please update the
> DESCRIPTION clauses of the ALL conformance groups to
> indicate that these objects also apply to MPLS.
>
> As an example:
>
>    gmplsInterfaceGroup OBJECT-GROUP
>      OBJECTS {
>        gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps,
>        gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod
>      }
>      STATUS  current
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Collection of objects needed for GMPLS interface configuration
>         and performance information."
>    ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 1 }
>
> Should be changed to:
>
> "Collection of objects which provide additional information for
> an MPLS interface and are needed for GMPLS interface configuration
> and performance information."

	Yes, they are all required. So do you think this statement
that calls out all objects is sufficient?  A similar change then
can be made for the in/out-segment tables:

    gmplsInSegmentGroup  OBJECT-GROUP
      OBJECTS {
        gmplsInSegmentDirection,
        gmplsInSegmentExtraParamsPtr
      }
      STATUS  current
      DESCRIPTION
        "Collection of objects which provide additional
         information for an MPLS in-segment and are needed
         for GMPLS in-segment configuration and performance
         information."
    ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 2 }

    gmplsOutSegmentGroup  OBJECT-GROUP
      OBJECTS {
        gmplsOutSegmentDirection,
        gmplsOutSegmentTTLDecrement,
        gmplsOutSegmentExtraParamsPtr
      }
      STATUS  current
      DESCRIPTION
        "Collection of objects which provide additional
         information for an MPLS out-segment and are needed
         for GMPLS out-segment configuration and performance
         information."
    ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 3 }


> 4) Typo:
>
>    gmplsLsrModuleReadOnlyCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE
>      STATUS current
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Compliance requirement for implementations that only provide
>         read-only support for GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB. Such devices can then
>         be monitored but cannot be configured using this MIB modules."
>
> Last part of the last sentence:
>
> "...configured using this MIB module."

	Got it.

> 5) GMPLS-LABEL-STD-MIB
>
> DESCRIPTION:
>        "...
>         This MIB module contains managed object definitions for labels
>         within GMPLS systems as defined in:
>         Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling
>         Functional Description, Berger, L. (Editor), RFC 3471,
>         January 2003."
>
>
> RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
>
> Please add these other RFCs and be sure to add them
> to the Normative Reference Section.

	Done.

> 6) Typo:
>
> gmplsLabelTable
> DESCRIPTION:
>
> "... Labels in the tables in other MIB modules may be referred
>      to using row pointer into this table."
>
> Should be "using a row pointer"
>
> 7) Typo:
>
> gmplsLabelTable
> DESCRIPTION:
>
>
>   "...a set of resources in the data plane. Practial examples are"
>
> s/Practial/Practical


	Done.

> 8) ReadOnly Compliance:
>
>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1) }
>      MIN-ACCESS   read-only
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Support for notInService, createAndWait and notReady is not
>         required."
>
>
> Would change the DESCRIPTION to:
>        "Write access is not required, and active is the only status  
> that
>        needs to be supported."

	One minor change:

        "Write access is not required, and active(1) is
         the only status that needs to be supported."

> 9) Full Compliance:
>
>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."
>
>
> Would remove this.

	The description or the entire object?

> Based on the
> gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
> believe you should allow createAndWait and also
> Agent could/should be able to report notReady.
>
>
> 10) NIT:
>
> Would remove the (for example, wavelength labels) because
> I was expecting to see the example carried though and list
> the groups for wavelength labels.
>
>
> Also, need to add gmplsLabelWavebandGroup to the
> list of groups.
>
> Updates appear below:
>
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Necessary, but not sufficient, set of objects to implement  
> label
>         table support. In addition, depending on the type of labels
>         supported, the following other
>         groups defined below are mandatory:
>           gmplsLabelPacketGroup and/or
>           gmplsLabelPortWavelengthGroup and/or
>           gmplsLabelFreeformGroup and/or
>           gmplsLabelSonetSdhGroup and/or
>           gmplsLabelWavebandGroup."
>

	OK.

> 11) Just a reminder to update Normative References
> as discussed above:
> RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
> RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
> RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420
>
> end.

	Done.

	--Tom




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----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas D. Nadeau <tnadeau@cisco.com>
To: Cucchiara Joan <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>
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>
> Thanks again. Really just 2 quick questions below
> for clarification and we can ship this one.
>
> --Tom
>
> >
> > Tom and Adrian,
> >
> > Thanks for the great update.  A few minor comments.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >   Joan
> >
> >
> > *Compiles cleanly with smicngPRO and smilint.
>
> Yes!
>
> > 1)  The expiration Date which appears as a page
> > header is incorrect:
> >
> > Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 2]
>
> Fixed.
>
> > 2) gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps OBJECT-TYPE
> >
> >      REFERENCE
> >        "1. Generalized MPLS Signaling - CR-LDP Extensions, RFC 3472.
> >         2. Generalized MPLS Signaling - RSVP-TE Extensions, RFC 3473."
> >      DEFVAL { { rsvpGmpls } }
> >
> > The above references have updates (e.g. see ccamp Charter page)
> > and so think these updating RFCs should also be included
> > here and in the Normative Reference section:
> >
> > RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
> > RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420
> >
> > Please be sure to update these RFCs in other REFERENCE
> > clauses also.
>
> Fixed remainder in this module and in the gmpls-te mib
> too.  There were no references in the tc mib.
>
> > 3) The DESCRIPTION clause of gmplsInterfaceEntry
> > says"...A conceptual row in this table may also be created via SNMP
> >         SET commands or automatically by the LSR to supplement a
> >         conceptual row in the mplsInterfaceTable where the interface
> >         is not capable of GMPLS but where the other objects carried
> >         in this row provide useful additional information for an
> >         MPLS interface."
> >
> > As I mentioned previously, I think you need to call out
> > these MPLS objects (i.e. the objects which do not require
> > GMPLS but are in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB module)
> > in a separate conformance group, but as I look at this
> > MIB, it appears that all the objects seem to apply to
> > MPLS, if this is accurate, then please update the
> > DESCRIPTION clauses of the ALL conformance groups to
> > indicate that these objects also apply to MPLS.
> >
> > As an example:
> >
> >    gmplsInterfaceGroup OBJECT-GROUP
> >      OBJECTS {
> >        gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps,
> >        gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod
> >      }
> >      STATUS  current
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Collection of objects needed for GMPLS interface configuration
> >         and performance information."
> >    ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 1 }
> >
> > Should be changed to:
> >
> > "Collection of objects which provide additional information for
> > an MPLS interface and are needed for GMPLS interface configuration
> > and performance information."
>
> Yes, they are all required. So do you think this statement
> that calls out all objects is sufficient?  A similar change then
> can be made for the in/out-segment tables:
>

Yes,  adding these statements is sufficient, because it now
clarifies that all these objects apply to MPLS.

As we discussed early in the review process, believe that
email needs to be sent to the MPLS working group to
notify them of these objects since they apply to MPLS also.
I realize email was sent to MPLS wg on earlier versions but
would be good notify the MPLS wg again so they can see
the final version of these MIB docs.


>     gmplsInSegmentGroup  OBJECT-GROUP
>       OBJECTS {
>         gmplsInSegmentDirection,
>         gmplsInSegmentExtraParamsPtr
>       }
>       STATUS  current
>       DESCRIPTION
>         "Collection of objects which provide additional
>          information for an MPLS in-segment and are needed
>          for GMPLS in-segment configuration and performance
>          information."
>     ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 2 }
>
>     gmplsOutSegmentGroup  OBJECT-GROUP
>       OBJECTS {
>         gmplsOutSegmentDirection,
>         gmplsOutSegmentTTLDecrement,
>         gmplsOutSegmentExtraParamsPtr
>       }
>       STATUS  current
>       DESCRIPTION
>         "Collection of objects which provide additional
>          information for an MPLS out-segment and are needed
>          for GMPLS out-segment configuration and performance
>          information."
>     ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 3 }
>
>
> > 4) Typo:
> >
> >    gmplsLsrModuleReadOnlyCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE
> >      STATUS current
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Compliance requirement for implementations that only provide
> >         read-only support for GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB. Such devices can then
> >         be monitored but cannot be configured using this MIB modules."
> >
> > Last part of the last sentence:
> >
> > "...configured using this MIB module."
>
> Got it.
>
> > 5) GMPLS-LABEL-STD-MIB
> >
> > DESCRIPTION:
> >        "...
> >         This MIB module contains managed object definitions for labels
> >         within GMPLS systems as defined in:
> >         Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling
> >         Functional Description, Berger, L. (Editor), RFC 3471,
> >         January 2003."
> >
> >
> > RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
> >
> > Please add these other RFCs and be sure to add them
> > to the Normative Reference Section.
>
> Done.
>
> > 6) Typo:
> >
> > gmplsLabelTable
> > DESCRIPTION:
> >
> > "... Labels in the tables in other MIB modules may be referred
> >      to using row pointer into this table."
> >
> > Should be "using a row pointer"
> >
> > 7) Typo:
> >
> > gmplsLabelTable
> > DESCRIPTION:
> >
> >
> >   "...a set of resources in the data plane. Practial examples are"
> >
> > s/Practial/Practical
>
>
> Done.
>
> > 8) ReadOnly Compliance:
> >
> >      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
> >      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1) }
> >      MIN-ACCESS   read-only
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Support for notInService, createAndWait and notReady is not
> >         required."
> >
> >
> > Would change the DESCRIPTION to:
> >        "Write access is not required, and active is the only status
> > that
> >        needs to be supported."
>
> One minor change:
>
>         "Write access is not required, and active(1) is
>          the only status that needs to be supported."
>
> > 9) Full Compliance:
> >
> >      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
> >      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
> >      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
> >                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."
> >
> >
> > Would remove this.
>
> The description or the entire object?

The entire object.  If you allow createAndWait and notReady
then there is no need to special case this object in the conformance
statements.

Thanks,
  -Joan


>
> > Based on the
> > gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
> > believe you should allow createAndWait and also
> > Agent could/should be able to report notReady.
> >
> >
> > 10) NIT:
> >
> > Would remove the (for example, wavelength labels) because
> > I was expecting to see the example carried though and list
> > the groups for wavelength labels.
> >
> >
> > Also, need to add gmplsLabelWavebandGroup to the
> > list of groups.
> >
> > Updates appear below:
> >
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Necessary, but not sufficient, set of objects to implement
> > label
> >         table support. In addition, depending on the type of labels
> >         supported, the following other
> >         groups defined below are mandatory:
> >           gmplsLabelPacketGroup and/or
> >           gmplsLabelPortWavelengthGroup and/or
> >           gmplsLabelFreeformGroup and/or
> >           gmplsLabelSonetSdhGroup and/or
> >           gmplsLabelWavebandGroup."
> >
>
> OK.
>
> > 11) Just a reminder to update Normative References
> > as discussed above:
> > RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
> > RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
> > RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420
> >
> > end.
>
> Done.
>
> --Tom
>





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Hello Tom and Adrian,

Here are a few comments on
draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib-14.txt.
Thank you for the great updates.

Thanks,
-Joan


Compiles with both smicngPRO and smilint.

1) There is a disconnect in the numbers under the
under gmplsTeGroup, was this intentional, if so,
please explain, otherwise, please correct it.

1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1  gmplsTeGroups  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
oid-value-assignment
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.1  gmplsTunnelGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
object-group
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.2  gmplsTunnelSignaledGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
object-group
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.3  gmplsTunnelScalarGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
object-group
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.6  gmplsTunnelOptionalGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
object-group
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.7  gmplsTeNotificationGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
notification-group


2) Expiration date in the page header is incorrect
Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 1]


3) 1.1. Migration Strategy
   "The gmplsTunnelLSPEncoding may be set to tunnelLspNotGmpls to allow an
   MPLS-TE LSP tunnel to benefit from the additional objects and tables
   of GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB without supporting the GMPLS protocols.

Think you mean, GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB in the latter part of the above sentence.


4) 1.1. Migration Strategy
   "Textual conventions are defined in [RFC3811] and [GMPLSTCMIB]."

There aren't any TCs from GMPLSTCMIB, but there are
from the IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB, so perhaps adding IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB to this
statement would be appropriate.


5) (NIT) 2. Terminology

   "These segment and cross-connect objects are defined in the MPLS Label
   Switch Router MIB (MPLS-LSR-STD-MIB) [RFC3813], but see also the
   GMPLS Label Switch Router MIB (GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB) [GMPLSLSRMIB] for..."

Please be sure to use "Label Switching Router" (and not Label Switch
Router).


6) Typos:
       gmplsTunnelLinkProtection

          This glag is set to indicate that the LSP should not use any
          link layer protection.

s/glag/flag

        shared
          This flage is set to indicate that a shared link layer

s/flage/flag



7)    gmplsTunnelErrorEntry OBJECT-TYPE


The use of the term "discontinuity" implies that the counters
suffered a discontinuity,but the situation you are describing is
that another error occurred.  Please rephrase this to something
like:

"Note that systems which read the objects in this table one at
a time should read gmplsTunnelErrorLastTime prior to the first
object and after reading the last object of this table to
ensure that no additional errors occurred."



8) gmplsTunnelUnnumIf does not appear in the
ReadOnly Conformance.

9) I am still unclear about what objects can be supported within
MPLS only.  Was expecting to see this clarified in the conformance
statements.  There does seem to be more of a division here than
in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB.

Could some clarification be made to this point?

10)  IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB

Would remove parts of the DESCRIPTION clauses which
refer to the GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB module.  The reason is
that these TCs may eventually be used in other MIB modules
and since this particular module will be controlled by
IANA, these sort of statements don't appear in IANA
MIB Modules as far as I know.

            "This data type is used as the syntax of the
             gmplsTunnelLSPEncoding object in the definition of
             GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."

            "This data type is used as the syntax of the
             gmplsTunnelSwitchingType object in the definition of
             GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."

            "This data type is used as the syntax of the
             gmplsTunnelGPid object in the definition of
             GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."

            "This data type is used as the syntax of the
             gmplsTunnelAdminStatusFlags object in the definition of
             GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."


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Tom and Adrian,

One minor comments, which is the
expiration date in the header needs
updating.  Otherwise, this document 
looks good.

-Joan




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	Cool. I have updated this based on your review of
the GMPLS LSR MIB yesterday.

	--Tom

> Tom and Adrian,
>
> One minor comments, which is the
> expiration date in the header needs
> updating.  Otherwise, this document
> looks good.
>
> -Joan




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Hi JP, Richard
=20
Please see inline,


________________________________

	De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]=20
	Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
	=C0 : Rich Bradford
	Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
	Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.
=09
=09
	Hi,=20

	Thanks for the summary Rich.

	PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
	(1) You think that there is a need for such solution,=20
	=20
	Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an =
inter-provider context.
	=20
	(2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)=20
	=20
	(3) You think that there is a need for both=20
	=20
	Answer to (2) and (3):
	It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as to =
ease interworking.
=09
	IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will be =
loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.=20
	If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, particularly =
for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a =
large number of hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really =
vulnerable to DoS attacks.
	Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =
suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to the =
LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, sounds =
relevant and should be further investigated.
	=20
	Best Regards,
	=20
	JL
	=20
	=20
	=20
=09
=09
	Thanks.

	JP.

	On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:


		Hi,

		As suggested in Dallas, I've described some of the tradeoffs between =
the two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.

		-- Rich

	=09

		The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.=20

	=09

		In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by =
saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During =
the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.

		The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, =
which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).=20

	=09

		The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =
control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) =
the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =
applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size =
of objects added to existing messages.

	=09

		(1) Additional Control Message Overhead:

		The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =
receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the =
Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must =
request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional message =
exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does =
not require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS solution but no additional delay for the PRS solution.

	=09

	=09

		(2) PCE and LSR Performance:

		The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding =
overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS =
in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU =
intensive. Note that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large =
number of CPS may have an impact on the PCE response time.

	=09

		(3) Addition of State in the PCE:

		The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =
maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =
additional state.

	=09

	=09

		(4) Solution Scope:

		The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to =
encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution =
without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case =
where A's network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO =
for a segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.

	=09

		(5) Message Object Overhead:

		The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =
path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by =
the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.

	=09

	=09

		Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =
Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =
implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could choose =
to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, shifting the =
burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the =
performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be performed =
for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might =
be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two solutions.

	=09

	=09

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi JP, Richard</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Please see inline,</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>De&nbsp;:</B> JP Vasseur=20
  [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com] <BR><B>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</B> jeudi 6 avril =
2006=20
  14:52<BR><B>=C0&nbsp;:</B> Rich Bradford<BR><B>Cc&nbsp;:</B> =
ccamp@ops.ietf.org;=20
  pce@ietf.org<BR><B>Objet&nbsp;:</B> Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption =
vs.=20
  Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Hi,
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks for the summary Rich.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: =
pre"></SPAN>(1) You think=20
  that there is a need for such solution,<SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Yes=20
  definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider =

  context.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: =
pre"></SPAN>(2) You would=20
  prefer one solution (which one and why ?)<SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: =
pre"></SPAN>(3) You think=20
  that there is a need for both<SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Answer to (2) and=20
  (3):</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN=20
  class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>It seems to me=20
  that we should end-up with a single solution so as to&nbsp;ease=20
  interworking.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>IMO&nbsp;in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the =
paths=20
  will be loose anyway,&nbsp;so there&nbsp;will not be&nbsp;any =
confidentiality=20
  issue. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006></SPAN><SPAN=20
  class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>If have some=20
  concerns&nbsp;regarding the cost of encryption, particularly for large =
paths=20
  (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a large number =
of=20
  hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really vulnerable to =
DoS=20
  attacks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Hence I&nbsp;would strongly favor the PKS solution. The =
optimization=20
  suggested,&nbsp;which consists of sending the computed path segment to =
the LSR=20
  in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation,&nbsp;sounds =
relevant and=20
  should be further investigated.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Best=20
  Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>JL</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT><BR=20
  class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>JP.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) =
wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT=
></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-- Rich<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID =
provides two=20
    very different but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject =
(PKS)=20
    solution and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note =
examines=20
    a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.=20
    <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to =
hide the=20
    CPS for an AS by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key =
in the=20
    ERO. During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query =
the PCE=20
    for an expansion.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to =
be hidden=20
    by encrypting it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. =
During=20
    the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key =
to=20
    obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or =
configuration).=20
    <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The major differences between the =
mechanisms involve=20
    (1) additional control messages, (2) performance issues expanding =
those=20
    objects, (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution =
scope (i.e.=20
    applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =
size of=20
    objects added to existing messages.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(1) Additional Control Message=20
    Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution requires a mechanism to =
expand the=20
    Path Key upon receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which=20
    calculated the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, =
the LSR=20
    must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =
message=20
    exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution =
does not=20
    require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every=20
    LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is=20
    changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS=20
    solution but no additional delay for the PRS=20
    solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(2) PCE and LSR=20
    Performance:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution must maintain a =
(temporary)=20
    database of keys adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution =
requires the=20
    encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =
LSR, which=20
    could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of requests, =
encryption=20
    of large number of CPS may have an impact on the PCE response=20
    time.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(3) Addition of State in the=20
    PCE:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution requires the addition of=20
    path-specific state and maintenance of a database in the PCE. The =
PRS=20
    solution requires no additional state.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(4) Solution =
Scope:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS and PRS solutions both work well =
in=20
    conjunction with a PCE to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS =

    provides no direct solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS =
solution=20
    for working in the case where A's network straddles B's network and =
where A=20
    wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =
network,=20
    e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to =
record a=20
    CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses =
multiple=20
    boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return =
actual=20
    failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the =
failure=20
    location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy=20
    of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which=20
    can be very misleading.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(5) Message Object=20
    Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution provides a very compact =
key or=20
    token to identify a path segment, which generally allows for smaller =
EROs to=20
    be returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =
message. A=20
    PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the=20
    unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if =
it is=20
    desirable to hide the number of hops within the network from =
external view=20
    by padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =

    messages for the PRS solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Please note that the tradeoffs listed here =
are for=20
    the current I-D. Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be=20
    mitigated by implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a =
PCE could=20
    choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =
shifting the=20
    burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the=20
    performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be =
performed for=20
    the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These=20
    examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might be =
useful=20
    when weighing the pros and cons of the two=20
    solutions.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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From: "Fahad Dogar" <fahad.dogar@gmail.com>
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Subject: GMPLS support for Ethernet switching
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Hi all,

I have few questions related to the draft on GMPLS support for
Ethernet switching by D.Papadimitriou et al.:

i) The draft discusses that connection oriented ethernet is suitable
for metro and core networks where ethernet is used for transport. I am
not too clear on the architecture in which ethernet LSPs would be
used. Are we considering point to point type ethernet connections
between switches/routers  i.e. where the bandwidth is not shared.
Example: Two peer routers connected through an ethernet interface, so
effectively complete bandwidth is available.

Or are we talking about multiple switches in a GMPLS enabled cloud
that are part of the SAME LAN and  bandwidth  is shared. I am not sure
how  bandwidth reservations would be done in this sceneario.


ii) Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems that the traffic
engineering benefits of GMPLS support for Ethernet are also available
in Ethernet over MPLS. (I am considering that connection oriented
Ethernet is used in metro/core networks only). However, by providing
GMPLS support for Ethernet we are able to do away with IP/MPLS layer
and thus we can have an all Ethernet network (with only ethernet
switches). Is this the primary reason for using GMPLS support for
Ethernet rather than Ethernet over MPLS? Can someone comment on this?

iii) The draft discusses various options for ethernet label, all of
which seem to require modification in the forwarding plane of
Ethernet? Is this something that can implemented easily i.e. change in
forwarding plane? Why can't we consider MAC address or VLAN tag as the
label?

Thanks in advance,
Fahad




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Hi,

Thanks for raising these questions, and I hope Dimitri et al. will respond.

However, the discussion should take place on the GELS mailing list.

Thanks,
Adrian
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Subject: GMPLS support for Ethernet switching


Hi all,

I have few questions related to the draft on GMPLS support for
Ethernet switching by D.Papadimitriou et al.:

i) The draft discusses that connection oriented ethernet is suitable
for metro and core networks where ethernet is used for transport. I am
not too clear on the architecture in which ethernet LSPs would be
used. Are we considering point to point type ethernet connections
between switches/routers  i.e. where the bandwidth is not shared.
Example: Two peer routers connected through an ethernet interface, so
effectively complete bandwidth is available.

Or are we talking about multiple switches in a GMPLS enabled cloud
that are part of the SAME LAN and  bandwidth  is shared. I am not sure
how  bandwidth reservations would be done in this sceneario.


ii) Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems that the traffic
engineering benefits of GMPLS support for Ethernet are also available
in Ethernet over MPLS. (I am considering that connection oriented
Ethernet is used in metro/core networks only). However, by providing
GMPLS support for Ethernet we are able to do away with IP/MPLS layer
and thus we can have an all Ethernet network (with only ethernet
switches). Is this the primary reason for using GMPLS support for
Ethernet rather than Ethernet over MPLS? Can someone comment on this?

iii) The draft discusses various options for ethernet label, all of
which seem to require modification in the forwarding plane of
Ethernet? Is this something that can implemented easily i.e. change in
forwarding plane? Why can't we consider MAC address or VLAN tag as the
label?

Thanks in advance,
Fahad









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hi - see in-line (i put gels mailing list in cc.)




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        Subject:        GMPLS support for Ethernet switching


Hi all,

I have few questions related to the draft on GMPLS support for
Ethernet switching by D.Papadimitriou et al.:

i) The draft discusses that connection oriented ethernet is suitable
for metro and core networks where ethernet is used for transport. I am
not too clear on the architecture in which ethernet LSPs would be
used. Are we considering point to point type ethernet connections
between switches/routers  i.e. where the bandwidth is not shared.
Example: Two peer routers connected through an ethernet interface, so
effectively complete bandwidth is available.

[dp] this would be either a port based ethernet LSP, supported today
in RFC 3473/3471 no specific issue or a frame based ethernet LSP
this is where different labeling techniques have been proposed; 

Or are we talking about multiple switches in a GMPLS enabled cloud
that are part of the SAME LAN and  bandwidth  is shared. I am not sure
how  bandwidth reservations would be done in this sceneario.

[dp] we are not talking about LAN environments 

ii) Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems that the traffic
engineering benefits of GMPLS support for Ethernet are also available
in Ethernet over MPLS. (I am considering that connection oriented
Ethernet is used in metro/core networks only). However, by providing
GMPLS support for Ethernet we are able to do away with IP/MPLS layer
and thus we can have an all Ethernet network (with only ethernet
switches). Is this the primary reason for using GMPLS support for
Ethernet rather than Ethernet over MPLS? Can someone comment on this?

[dp] this approach intends to deliver source routed TE label switched
path establishment (through control plane upgrade) for metro/aggregation
and core Ethernet networks 

iii) The draft discusses various options for ethernet label, all of
which seem to require modification in the forwarding plane of
Ethernet? Is this something that can implemented easily i.e. change in
forwarding plane? Why can't we consider MAC address or VLAN tag as the
label?

[dp] this question has been lengthily debated on the GELS mailing list,
(i refer you there as well as to last meeting discussion material)

[dp] in brief, and as of today, SVID labels (using SVID translation) and 
MAC+SVID label (using SVL switches) are two feasible techniques for the 
.1ad environments

Thanks in advance,
Fahad







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        "Don Fedyk" <dwfedyk@nortel.com>,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Richard Rabbat
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:55 AM
> To: 'Don Fedyk'; 'Filippo Cugini'; 'Adrian Farrel'; 'Marco Ruffini'
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
>=20
> Hi,
> There are pros and cons to advertising optical information=20
> including lambda availability and optical impairements. =20
> GMPLS is not supposed to replace advanced path computation=20
> tools. Actually, an entity such as the PCE would be a perfect=20
> piece in the architecture of a lambda network as it is=20
> expected to provide advanced computation capabilities beyond CSPF.

Richard,=20

From flooding view point, PCE is just like another node in the network
receiving flooding from peering nodes. So in any case extension to the
IGP protocol will be needed if we want to convey more optical
information (e.g., optical impairements).=20

Nonetheless, I am for exploring more in this area.=20

Thanks

Regards... Zafar=20

> <begin shameless plug from my draft>
> Actually, we've been looking at some interop scenarii where=20
> we are clearly in need for standardization and mentioned one=20
> such scenario in
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-shiba-ccamp-gmpls-la
mbda-labels-01
> .txt
> <end>
> I think it's time to do a proper analysis of what support=20
> already exists, what is still needed and work on extensions=20
> (if needed) to support the new generation of ROADM and PXC=20
> devices where interop is required.
> A few vendors who build ROADMs and PXCs, as well as SPs=20
> deploying them have expressed interest in this topic when we=20
> discussed the 1st version at CCAMP.
> I think it's time to sit down and take a stab at it so we=20
> have an interesting draft to discuss in Montreal.
> Send me email if you have some cycles to spare on this topic.
> Richard.
> =20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Don Fedyk
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:05 AM
> > To: Filippo Cugini; Adrian Farrel; Marco Ruffini
> > Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
> >=20
> >=20
> > Hi all
> >=20
> > About a year ago we started to collect requirements for towards this
> > area in a draft. Our current thinking is that the optical/photonic
> > networks will have fairly proprietary ways of dealing with the
> > non-linear properties but that the interface to GMPLS can be=20
> > summarized
> > as a fairly generic network interface with a simple metric and a
> > blocking capability. We only got as far a the requirements.=20
>  The draft
> > is in in need of a refresh I will try to do that shortly.  I have to
> > contact some other people who were interested in the area.=20
> >=20
> > If you cannot find a copy of the draft I will send it to you.=20
> >=20
> > draft-ashwood-ccamp-gmpls-constraint-reqts-00
> >=20
> > Regards,
> > Don=20
> >=20
> >   =20
> >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Filippo Cugini
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Hi all,
> > >=20
> > > IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network=20
> > > elements such=20
> > > as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical=20
> > > transport networks. However, the current GMPLS does not=20
> > > provide any functionality to keep track=20
> > > of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh=20
> > > networks must be=20
> > > statically designed, during the network planning, to=20
> > > guarantee that even the=20
> > > most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is=20
> > > acceptable. Otherwise,=20
> > > because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can=20
> > > successfully be set up=20
> > > even if they do not comply with physical parameters=20
> > > constraints. However, the worst case design approach heavily=20
> > > limits the size of the=20
> > > transparent networks.
> > >=20
> > >   Filippo
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > From: "Adrian Farrel"
> > > >  [..]
> > > > - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
> > > >   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
> > > >   stated.
> > > > - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
> > > >   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
> > > >   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
> > > >   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
> > > >   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20




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Hi Zafar,

While I agree with you as a likely deployment scenario, I must point out 
that PCE is architecturally not just like any other node in the network 
receiving flooding from peering nodes.

The PCE architecture very clearly (and deliberately) states that the 
information on which the PCE operates may be limited to the IGP flooding 
information, may be enhanced from other sources (which could include 
configuration, inventory discovery, alarm management, network monitoring, 
etc.), or might be restricted to other sources (i.e. without listening to 
flooding).

This is to say that the need to factor this information into the 
computations performed by PCE neither forces nor precludes the addition of 
the information to the flooding protocol.

Cheers,
Adrian

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To: "Richard Rabbat" <richard@us.fujitsu.com>; "Don Fedyk" 
<dwfedyk@nortel.com>; "Filippo Cugini" <filippo.cugini@cnit.it>; "Adrian 
Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
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Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Richard Rabbat
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:55 AM
> To: 'Don Fedyk'; 'Filippo Cugini'; 'Adrian Farrel'; 'Marco Ruffini'
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
>
> Hi,
> There are pros and cons to advertising optical information
> including lambda availability and optical impairements.
> GMPLS is not supposed to replace advanced path computation
> tools. Actually, an entity such as the PCE would be a perfect
> piece in the architecture of a lambda network as it is
> expected to provide advanced computation capabilities beyond CSPF.

Richard,

From flooding view point, PCE is just like another node in the network
receiving flooding from peering nodes. So in any case extension to the
IGP protocol will be needed if we want to convey more optical
information (e.g., optical impairements).

Nonetheless, I am for exploring more in this area.

Thanks

Regards... Zafar

> <begin shameless plug from my draft>
> Actually, we've been looking at some interop scenarii where
> we are clearly in need for standardization and mentioned one
> such scenario in
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-shiba-ccamp-gmpls-la
mbda-labels-01
> .txt
> <end>
> I think it's time to do a proper analysis of what support
> already exists, what is still needed and work on extensions
> (if needed) to support the new generation of ROADM and PXC
> devices where interop is required.
> A few vendors who build ROADMs and PXCs, as well as SPs
> deploying them have expressed interest in this topic when we
> discussed the 1st version at CCAMP.
> I think it's time to sit down and take a stab at it so we
> have an interesting draft to discuss in Montreal.
> Send me email if you have some cycles to spare on this topic.
> Richard.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Don Fedyk
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:05 AM
> > To: Filippo Cugini; Adrian Farrel; Marco Ruffini
> > Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > About a year ago we started to collect requirements for towards this
> > area in a draft. Our current thinking is that the optical/photonic
> > networks will have fairly proprietary ways of dealing with the
> > non-linear properties but that the interface to GMPLS can be
> > summarized
> > as a fairly generic network interface with a simple metric and a
> > blocking capability. We only got as far a the requirements.
>  The draft
> > is in in need of a refresh I will try to do that shortly.  I have to
> > contact some other people who were interested in the area.
> >
> > If you cannot find a copy of the draft I will send it to you.
> >
> > draft-ashwood-ccamp-gmpls-constraint-reqts-00
> >
> > Regards,
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Filippo Cugini
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network
> > > elements such
> > > as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical
> > > transport networks. However, the current GMPLS does not
> > > provide any functionality to keep track
> > > of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh
> > > networks must be
> > > statically designed, during the network planning, to
> > > guarantee that even the
> > > most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is
> > > acceptable. Otherwise,
> > > because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can
> > > successfully be set up
> > > even if they do not comply with physical parameters
> > > constraints. However, the worst case design approach heavily
> > > limits the size of the
> > > transparent networks.
> > >
> > >   Filippo
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Adrian Farrel"
> > > >  [..]
> > > > - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
> > > >   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
> > > >   stated.
> > > > - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
> > > >   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
> > > >   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
> > > >   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
> > > >   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>








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EURO MILLIONS INTERNATIONAL
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Hi,

Thanks for your feed-back, suggesting to go ahead with one solution, =20
the PKS. Indeed, the proposed optimization could be specified in a =20
further revision (being optional).

Others, any opinion ?

Thanks.

JP.

On Apr 24, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:

> JL,
>
> Thanks for the reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between =20
> multiple solutions when there are so many tradeoffs between the =20
> solutions.
>
>
>
> Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the =20
> unsolicited computed path segment.  It was a difficult choice =20
> whether or not to include a description of this in the original =20
> draft, since it is more complex. Which aspect of the optimization =20
> seemed most important? Was it that it=92s more efficient during LSP =20=

> setup or because it could be used to shift the burden of =20
> maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?
>
> Thanks once again for your opinion.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>   Rich
>
>
>
> From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN =20
> [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM
> To: Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
>
>
> Hi JP, Richard
>
>
>
> Please see inline,
>
>
>
> De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]
> Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
> =C0 : Rich Bradford
> Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the summary Rich.
>
>
>
> PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
>
> (1) You think that there is a need for such solution,
>
>
>
> Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-=20
> provider context.
>
>
>
> (2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)
>
>
>
> (3) You think that there is a need for both
>
>
>
> Answer to (2) and (3):
>
> It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as =20
> to ease interworking.
>
> IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will =20=

> be loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.
>
> If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, =20
> particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =20
> applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, =20
> encryption approaches are really vulnerable to DoS attacks.
>
> Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =20
> suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to =20
> the LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, =20
> sounds relevant and should be further investigated.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> JP.
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As suggested in Dallas, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs =20
> between the two solutions described in draft-rbradfor-ccamp-=20
> confidential-segment-00.txt.
>
> -- Rich
>
> The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different =20
> but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution =20
> and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines =20
> a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.
>
> In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS =20
> by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. =20
> During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the =20
> PCE for an expansion.
>
> The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting =20
> it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the =20
> LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =20=

> obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).
>
> The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =20=

> control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, =20
> (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =20
> applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =20=

> size of objects added to existing messages.
>
> (1) Additional Control Message Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =20
> receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =20
> the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR =20
> must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =20
> message exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption =20
> solution does not require this extra exchange between the PCE and =20
> the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to =20=

> be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional =20
> delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional =20=

> delay for the PRS solution.
>
> (2) PCE and LSR Performance:
>
> The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys =20
> adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the =20
> encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =20
> LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =20
> requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on =20
> the PCE response time.
>
> (3) Addition of State in the PCE:
>
> The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =20
> maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =20
> additional state.
>
> (4) Solution Scope:
>
> The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE =20
> to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct =20
> solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working =20
> in the case where A's network straddles B's network and where A =20
> wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =20=

> network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be =20
> used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned =20
> RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be =20
> adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =20
> PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure location confidential from =20
> LSRs without a decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is =20
> maintained by returning the address of border nodes, which can be =20
> very misleading.
>
> (5) Message Object Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =20=

> path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be =20
> returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =20
> message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as =20
> large as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be =20
> significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of hops =20
> within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The =20
> result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS =20
> solution.
>
> Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =20=

> Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =20
> implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could =20
> choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =20
> shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =20
> eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =20
> exchange could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need =20
> for a separate key exchange. These examples of extensions are =20
> beyond the scope of the ID, but might be useful when weighing the =20
> pros and cons of the two solutions.
>
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font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; ">JL,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-indent:6.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Thanks for the reply. It=92s =
always difficult to choose between multiple solutions when there are so =
many tradeoffs between the solutions.=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-indent:6.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-indent:6.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Regarding the optimization =
where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited computed path segment. =A0It =
was a difficult choice whether or not to include a description of this =
in the original draft, since it is more complex. Which aspect of the =
optimization seemed most important? Was it that it=92s more efficient =
during LSP setup or because it could be used to shift the burden of =
maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-indent:6.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Thanks once again for your =
opinion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:6.0pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Best Regards,</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-indent:6.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0 Rich</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt"><DIV><DIV class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" =
style=3D"text-align:center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-align: center; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: =
center; "></SPAN><HR size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" =
tabindex=3D"-1"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><B =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-weight: =
bold; "><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; =
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">From:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><ST1:STREET w:st=3D"on"><ST1:ADDRESS =
w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">LE ROUX Jean-Louis =
RD</SPAN></ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">-CORE-LAN [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com">mailto:jeanlouis.leroux=
@francetelecom.com</A>] </SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; =
font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Jean Philippe =
Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> RE: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3"=
 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hi JP, =
Richard</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Please see =
inline,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><BLOCKQUOTE =
style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt; =
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">=
<P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "></SPAN><HR size=3D"2" =
width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" tabindex=3D"-1"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt; font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; "><FONT size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">De=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN =
lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> JP Vasseur [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com">mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com</A>] =
</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Envoy=E9=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> jeudi 6 avril =
2006 14:52</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">=C0=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Rich =
Bradford</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Objet=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3D"FR"><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks for the summary Rich.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">PCE WG members: thanks to provide your =
feedback on whether:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) You think that there is a need for such =
solution,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =
color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Yes definitely, =
confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider =
context.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) You would prefer one solution (which one =
and why ?)</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =
color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
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font-size: 16px; ">(3) You think that there is a need for =
both</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =
color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
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13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Answer to (2) and =
(3):</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">It seems to me that we =
should end-up with a single solution so as to=A0ease =
interworking.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">IMO=A0in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the =
paths will be loose anyway,=A0so there=A0will not be=A0any =
confidentiality issue.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">If have some concerns=A0regarding the cost of encryption, =
particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =
applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, encryption =
approaches are really vulnerable to DoS =
attacks.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hence I=A0would =
strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization suggested,=A0which =
consists of sending the computed path segment to the LSR in an =
unsolicited manner, just after the computation,=A0sounds relevant and =
should be further investigated.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Best =
Regards,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">JL</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
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Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
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16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">JP.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford =
((rbradfor)) wrote:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><BR style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><BR style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name=3D"City" =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYP=
E name=3D"place" =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">As suggested =
in </SPAN><ST1:CITY u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:CITY =
w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">Dallas</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs between the =
two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">-- =
Rich</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The =
Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">In short: The =
PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by saving it in a =
database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PRS =
solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, which may =
be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, the =
ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The major =
differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional control =
messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) the =
addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. applicability =
to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size of objects =
added to existing messages.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) Additional =
Control Message Overhead:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon receipt of the =
LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the Path Key might not =
reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must request the expansion =
from the PCE, requiring an additional message exchange before LSP setup =
can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does not require this extra =
exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the =
decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it is changed. The result =
is additional delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no =
additional delay for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) PCE and =
LSR Performance:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding overhead to =
the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS in the PCE =
and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note =
that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large number of CPS =
may have an impact on the PCE response time.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(3) Addition =
of State in the PCE:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of =
a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional =
state.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS and =
PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to encode and =
decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution without a =
PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case where A's =
network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO for a =
segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
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PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
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> Hello Tom and Adrian,
>
> Here are a few comments on
> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib-14.txt.
> Thank you for the great updates.
>
> Thanks,
> -Joan

	First, removed references to 4201, 4003
and 4420 that were added as per last email from
Joan. Things are back to the original state
WRT these.

> Compiles with both smicngPRO and smilint.
>
> 1) There is a disconnect in the numbers under the
> under gmplsTeGroup, was this intentional, if so,
> please explain, otherwise, please correct it.
>
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1  gmplsTeGroups  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
> oid-value-assignment
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.1  gmplsTunnelGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
> object-group
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.2  gmplsTunnelSignaledGroup  [GMPLS-TE- 
> STD-MIB]:
> object-group
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.3  gmplsTunnelScalarGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD- 
> MIB]:
> object-group
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.6  gmplsTunnelOptionalGroup  [GMPLS-TE- 
> STD-MIB]:
> object-group
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.7  gmplsTeNotificationGroup  [GMPLS-TE- 
> STD-MIB]:
> notification-group
>
>
> 2) Expiration date in the page header is incorrect
> Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 1]
>
>
> 3) 1.1. Migration Strategy
>    "The gmplsTunnelLSPEncoding may be set to tunnelLspNotGmpls to  
> allow an
>    MPLS-TE LSP tunnel to benefit from the additional objects and  
> tables
>    of GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB without supporting the GMPLS protocols.
>
> Think you mean, GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB in the latter part of the above  
> sentence.
>
>
> 4) 1.1. Migration Strategy
>    "Textual conventions are defined in [RFC3811] and [GMPLSTCMIB]."
>
> There aren't any TCs from GMPLSTCMIB, but there are
> from the IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB, so perhaps adding IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB to  
> this
> statement would be appropriate.
>
>
> 5) (NIT) 2. Terminology
>
>    "These segment and cross-connect objects are defined in the MPLS  
> Label
>    Switch Router MIB (MPLS-LSR-STD-MIB) [RFC3813], but see also the
>    GMPLS Label Switch Router MIB (GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB) [GMPLSLSRMIB]  
> for..."
>
> Please be sure to use "Label Switching Router" (and not Label Switch
> Router).
>
>
> 6) Typos:
>        gmplsTunnelLinkProtection
>
>           This glag is set to indicate that the LSP should not use any
>           link layer protection.
>
> s/glag/flag
>
>         shared
>           This flage is set to indicate that a shared link layer
>
> s/flage/flag
>
>
>
> 7)    gmplsTunnelErrorEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>
>
> The use of the term "discontinuity" implies that the counters
> suffered a discontinuity,but the situation you are describing is
> that another error occurred.  Please rephrase this to something
> like:
>
> "Note that systems which read the objects in this table one at
> a time should read gmplsTunnelErrorLastTime prior to the first
> object and after reading the last object of this table to
> ensure that no additional errors occurred."
>
>
>
> 8) gmplsTunnelUnnumIf does not appear in the
> ReadOnly Conformance.

	Fixed all of above.
>
> 9) I am still unclear about what objects can be supported within
> MPLS only.  Was expecting to see this clarified in the conformance
> statements.  There does seem to be more of a division here than
> in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB.
>
> Could some clarification be made to this point?

	I guess I am confused. I am not sure why we have
to explain the reverse relationship. All of the objects herein
are for GMPLS only; none apply to MPLS-only TE entries.
So the objects that are supported by
MPLS-only TE entries should have no corresponding
objects in this MIB module.  Tabular entries in this
MIB represent GMPLS entries only, and they also have
corresponding objects in say RFC3812. We also covered this
reciprocal relationship in the conformance statement before
as part of your previous comments RE: "should we
explain each object or explain that they ALL apply."

> 10)  IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB
>
> Would remove parts of the DESCRIPTION clauses which
> refer to the GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB module.  The reason is
> that these TCs may eventually be used in other MIB modules
> and since this particular module will be controlled by
> IANA, these sort of statements don't appear in IANA
> MIB Modules as far as I know.
>
>             "This data type is used as the syntax of the
>              gmplsTunnelLSPEncoding object in the definition of
>              GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."
>
>             "This data type is used as the syntax of the
>              gmplsTunnelSwitchingType object in the definition of
>              GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."
>
>             "This data type is used as the syntax of the
>              gmplsTunnelGPid object in the definition of
>              GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."
>
>             "This data type is used as the syntax of the
>              gmplsTunnelAdminStatusFlags object in the definition of
>              GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."
>
>
> -- the end --

	Done.

	I will re-compile/re-format the modules and post them
to the ID repository now.

	Thanks Joan!

	--Tom






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----- Original Message -----
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> > 9) I am still unclear about what objects can be supported within
> > MPLS only.  Was expecting to see this clarified in the conformance
> > statements.  There does seem to be more of a division here than
> > in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB.
> >
> > Could some clarification be made to this point?
>
> I guess I am confused. I am not sure why we have
> to explain the reverse relationship. All of the objects herein
> are for GMPLS only; none apply to MPLS-only TE entries.
> So the objects that are supported by
> MPLS-only TE entries should have no corresponding
> objects in this MIB module.  Tabular entries in this
> MIB represent GMPLS entries only, and they also have
> corresponding objects in say RFC3812. We also covered this
> reciprocal relationship in the conformance statement before
> as part of your previous comments RE: "should we
> explain each object or explain that they ALL apply."
>

I was also confused.  If there are no MPLS objects then
the MIB is fine as is.

Thanks,
  Joan







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Hi Tom,

draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-tc-mib-10.txt 
same comment as before wrt the expiration date
(this is the same draft that was there prior, so
if you submit a new one, please bump the 
draft number -- if you prefer to leave the fix
to the RFC editor that is fine also).

Thanks, 
 -Joan




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Look great!  

Thanks,
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Hello Tom and Adrian,


All MIBs compile with smilint and smicngPRO.

Here are my few comments:

draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt

(#1 should be taken care of the others are NITs and
could probably be fixed by RFC Editor if you so choose.)

1)  Think this was probably a place holder...but
please just remove this:

     OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
     SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
     WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
                              createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
     DESCRIPTION
       "TDN QUestion"

2) NIT

         January 2003;
        "

Please change this to:


            January 2003."
                        

3) Informative References

NIT:

Change the order so references are in
ascending order:

Current order is:

   [RFC3472]  


   [RFC3468] 

change to:

   [RFC3468] 

   [RFC3472]  


NIT:
Fix reference:

Current:
   [RFC3468]    Andersson, L., Swallow, G., "The Multiprotocol Label 
                Switching (MPLS) Working Group decision on MPLS 
                signaling protocols", RFC 3468, February 2003.

Should be:

   [RFC3468]    Andersson, L. and G. Swallow, "The Multiprotocol Label 


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Hi Richard,
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Please see inline,


________________________________

	De : Rich Bradford (rbradfor) [mailto:rbradfor@cisco.com]=20
	Envoy=E9 : lundi 24 avril 2006 20:06
	=C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur)
	Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
	Objet : RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.
=09
=09

	JL,

	Thanks for the reply. It's always difficult to choose between multiple =
solutions when there are so many tradeoffs between the solutions. =20

	=20

	Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited =
computed path segment.  It was a difficult choice whether or not to =
include a description of this in the original draft, since it is more =
complex. Which aspect of the optimization seemed most important? Was it =
that it's more efficient during LSP setup or because it could be used to =
shift the burden of maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?=20

	=20

	IMO the most important optimization is the gain in LSP setup time, =
which may be significant, and this is of particular =20

	importance during end-to-end LSP restoration upon failure.

	Let's assume an inter-AS path computation with an AS-path length =3D N:

	-Without this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig + N* LSR-PCE exchanges.

	-With this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig

	Hence the gain in signaling time is N*LSR-PCE exchanges.

	And the good thing is that the path computation time would not be =
impacted at all by this procedure as the PCE-LSR unsolicited =
notification is done in // with the BRPC procedure.

	=20

	There may be one minor con: During the BRPC you don't know a priori =
which path segment will finally be selected, hence you need to send the =
path segment to all ASBR LSRs connected to the upstream AS...but this is =
a minor issue, because there are not so many ASBRs connected to the =
upstream AS (two or three). You will have to remove the information on =
the ASBR if no Path message is received after the expiration of a =
timer...

	=20

	Regards,

	=20

	JL

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	Thanks once again for your opinion.=20

	Best Regards,

	  Rich

	=20

=09
________________________________


	From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN =
[mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com]=20
	Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM
	To: Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)
	Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.

	=20

	Hi JP, Richard

	=20

	Please see inline,

		=20

	=09
________________________________


		De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]=20
		Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
		=C0 : Rich Bradford
		Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
		Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.

		Hi,=20

		=20

		Thanks for the summary Rich.

		=20

		PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:

		(1) You think that there is a need for such solution,=20

		=20

		Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an =
inter-provider context.

		=20

		(2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)=20

		=20

		(3) You think that there is a need for both=20

		=20

		Answer to (2) and (3):

		It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as to =
ease interworking.

		IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will be =
loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.=20

		If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, particularly =
for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a =
large number of hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really =
vulnerable to DoS attacks.

		Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =
suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to the =
LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, sounds =
relevant and should be further investigated.

		=20

		Best Regards,

		=20

		JL

		=20

		=20

		=20

		=20

		Thanks.

		=20

		JP.

		=20

		On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:

	=09
	=09
	=09

		Hi,

		As suggested in Dallas, I've described some of the tradeoffs between =
the two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.

		-- Rich

		The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.=20

		In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by =
saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During =
the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.

		The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, =
which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).=20

		The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =
control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) =
the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =
applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size =
of objects added to existing messages.

		(1) Additional Control Message Overhead:

		The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =
receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the =
Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must =
request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional message =
exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does =
not require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS solution but no additional delay for the PRS solution.

		(2) PCE and LSR Performance:

		The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding =
overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS =
in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU =
intensive. Note that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large =
number of CPS may have an impact on the PCE response time.

		(3) Addition of State in the PCE:

		The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =
maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =
additional state.

		(4) Solution Scope:

		The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to =
encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution =
without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case =
where A's network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO =
for a segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.

		(5) Message Object Overhead:

		The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =
path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by =
the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.

		Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =
Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =
implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could choose =
to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, shifting the =
burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the =
performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be performed =
for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might =
be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two solutions.

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Hi Richard,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Please see inline,</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Dfr dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>De&nbsp;:</B> Rich Bradford (rbradfor) =

  [mailto:rbradfor@cisco.com] <BR><B>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</B> lundi 24 avril =
2006=20
  20:06<BR><B>=C0&nbsp;:</B> LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Jean =
Philippe Vasseur=20
  (jvasseur)<BR><B>Cc&nbsp;:</B> ccamp@ops.ietf.org;=20
  pce@ietf.org<BR><B>Objet&nbsp;:</B> RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption =
vs.=20
  Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">JL,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks=20
  for the reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between multiple =
solutions when=20
  there are so many tradeoffs between the solutions.&nbsp;=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regarding =
the=20
  optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited computed path =

  segment. &nbsp;It was a difficult choice whether or not to include a=20
  description of this in the original draft, since it is more complex. =
Which=20
  aspect of the optimization seemed most important? Was it that it=92s =
more=20
  efficient during LSP setup or because it could be used to shift the =
burden of=20
  maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?<FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>IMO&nbsp;the most important =
optimization=20
  is the gain in LSP setup time, which&nbsp;may be&nbsp;significant, and =
this is=20
  of particular&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>importance during end-to-end =
LSP=20
  restoration upon failure.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>Let's assume an inter-AS =
path=20
  computation with an AS-path length =3D =
N:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>-Without this optimization =
the LSP=20
  signaling time would be N* Intra-AS-RSVP-sig + N* LSR-PCE=20
  exchanges.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>-With this optimization the =
LSP=20
  signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>Hence the gain in signaling =
time is=20
  N*LSR-PCE exchanges.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>And&nbsp;the good thing =
is&nbsp;that the=20
  path computation time&nbsp;would not be impacted at all by this =
procedure as=20
  the PCE-LSR unsolicited notification is done in // with the BRPC=20
  procedure.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000><FONT=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><FONT=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><FONT=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>There may be one minor con:=20
  </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>During the BRPC you don't =
know a priori=20
  which path segment will finally be selected, hence you need to send =
the path=20
  segment&nbsp;to all ASBR LSRs&nbsp;connected to the upstream AS...but =
this is=20
  a minor issue, because there are not so many ASBRs connected to the =
upstream=20
  AS (two or three).&nbsp;You will have to&nbsp;remove the information =
on the=20
  ASBR&nbsp;if no Path message is received after the expiration of a=20
  timer...</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006>JL</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
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class=3D837181812-27042006>&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks=20
  once again for your opinion. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
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  Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;=20
  Rich<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
  <st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">LE ROUX Jean-Louis=20
  RD</st1:address></st1:Street>-CORE-LAN=20
  [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, April 21, 2006 =
12:51=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Jean =
Philippe Vasseur=20
  (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> ccamp@ops.ietf.org;=20
  pce@ietf.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:=20
  [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the=20
  CPSID.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi JP,=20
  Richard</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Please see=20
  inline,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DFR =
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DFR=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">De&nbsp;:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
    face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DFR=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> JP Vasseur=20
    [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</SPAN></B> jeudi 6 avril =
2006=20
    14:52<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">=C0&nbsp;:</SPAN></B> =
Rich=20
    Bradford<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Cc&nbsp;:</SPAN></B>=20
    ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org<BR><B><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Objet&nbsp;:</SPAN></B> Re: [Pce] =
Comparison of=20
    Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
    lang=3DFR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks for the summary=20
    Rich.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">PCE WG members: thanks to provide your =
feedback on=20
    whether:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(1) You think that there is a need for =
such=20
    solution,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes =
definitely,=20
    confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider=20
    context.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(2) You would prefer one solution (which =
one and why=20
    ?)</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(3) You think that there is a need for=20
    both</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Answer to =
(2) and=20
    (3):</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It seems =
to me that=20
    we should end-up with a single solution so as to&nbsp;ease=20
    interworking.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">IMO&nbsp;in an=20
    inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will be loose=20
    anyway,&nbsp;so there&nbsp;will not be&nbsp;any confidentiality =
issue.=20
    </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If have =
some=20
    concerns&nbsp;regarding the cost of encryption, particularly for =
large paths=20
    (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a large number =
of=20
    hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really vulnerable to =
DoS=20
    attacks.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hence =
I&nbsp;would=20
    strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =
suggested,&nbsp;which=20
    consists of sending the computed path segment to the LSR in an =
unsolicited=20
    manner, just after the computation,&nbsp;sounds relevant and should =
be=20
    further investigated.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Best=20
    Regards,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">JL</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">JP.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford=20
    ((rbradfor)) wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE=20
    name=3D"City"=20
    =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTY=
PE=20
    name=3D"place"=20
    =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags">Hi,<O:P></O:P=
><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As =
suggested in=20
    <ST1:CITY u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st=3D"on"><st1:City =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20
    w:st=3D"on">Dallas</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, =
I=92ve=20
    described some of the tradeoffs between the two solutions described =
in=20
    =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-- =

    Rich<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>The=20
    Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally=20
    valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route=20
    Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of the =
advantages and=20
    disadvantages of each solution. =
<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>In=20
    short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by =
saving it=20
    in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP =
setup,=20
    the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an=20
    expansion.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PRS solution=20
    allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, which may be =
done by a=20
    PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR =
for that=20
    AS must use a decryption key to obtain the expansion (implying an =
earlier=20
    exchange or configuration). <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>The=20
    major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =
control=20
    messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) the =
addition=20
    of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. applicability to =
various=20
    topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size of objects added to =
existing=20
    messages.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>(1)=20
    Additional Control Message =
Overhead:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon receipt of the LSP =
setup=20
    request. Since the PCE which calculated the Path Key might not =
reside in the=20
    entry boundary LSR, the LSR must request the expansion from the PCE, =

    requiring an additional message exchange before LSP setup can =
proceed. The=20
    Path Encryption solution does not require this extra exchange =
between the=20
    PCE and the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key =
needs to=20
    be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional delay =
during=20
    every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional delay for the =
PRS=20
    solution.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>(2) PCE and LSR=20
    Performance:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding overhead to the =
PCE. The=20
    PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS in the PCE and =
decryption of=20
    the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case =
of a=20
    burst of requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an =
impact on=20
    the PCE response time.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>(3)=20
    Addition of State in the =
PCE:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of a =
database=20
    in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional=20
    state.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>(4) Solution=20
    Scope:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS and PRS=20
    solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to encode and =
decode the=20
    CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution without a PCE. This =

    prevents the PKS solution for working in the case where A's network=20
    straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO for a segment =
of the=20
    LSP across the intervening network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In =
addition,=20
    the PRS could be used to record a CPS even if the path (and =
therefore the=20
    returned RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution =
could be=20
    adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =
PATHTEARs, while=20
    keeping the failure location confidential from LSRs without a =
decryption=20
    key. Currently privacy of this source is maintained by returning the =
address=20
    of border nodes, which can be very=20
    misleading.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>(5)=20
    Message Object Overhead:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    provides a very compact key or token to identify a path segment, =
which=20
    generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by the PCE and to =
be=20
    requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which contains a CPS =
must=20
    generally be at least as large as the unencrypted PATH through the =
AS and=20
    may be significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of =
hops=20
    within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The result =
is=20
    potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS=20
    solution.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
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tradeoffs=20
    listed here are for the current I-D. Some of the shortcomings of =
each=20
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optimizations. For=20
    example, a PCE could choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry =

    boundary LSR, shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to =
the LSR=20
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exchange=20
    could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a =
separate key=20
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ID, but=20
    might be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two=20
    solutions.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Hi Jean-Louis,

On Apr 27, 2006, at 9:21 AM, LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Please see inline,
>
> De : Rich Bradford (rbradfor) [mailto:rbradfor@cisco.com]
> Envoy=E9 : lundi 24 avril 2006 20:06
> =C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur)
> Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Objet : RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
> JL,
>
> Thanks for the reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between =20
> multiple solutions when there are so many tradeoffs between the =20
> solutions.
>
>
>
> Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the =20
> unsolicited computed path segment.  It was a difficult choice =20
> whether or not to include a description of this in the original =20
> draft, since it is more complex. Which aspect of the optimization =20
> seemed most important? Was it that it=92s more efficient during LSP =20=

> setup or because it could be used to shift the burden of =20
> maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?
>
>
> IMO the most important optimization is the gain in LSP setup time, =20
> which may be significant, and this is of particular
>
> importance during end-to-end LSP restoration upon failure.
>
> Let's assume an inter-AS path computation with an AS-path length =3D =
N:
>
> -Without this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* Intra-=20=

> AS-RSVP-sig + N* LSR-PCE exchanges.
>
> -With this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* Intra-AS-=20=

> RSVP-sig
>
> Hence the gain in signaling time is N*LSR-PCE exchanges.
>
> And the good thing is that the path computation time would not be =20
> impacted at all by this procedure as the PCE-LSR unsolicited =20
> notification is done in // with the BRPC procedure.
>
>
> There may be one minor con: During the BRPC you don't know a priori =20=

> which path segment will finally be selected, hence you need to send =20=

> the path segment to all ASBR LSRs connected to the upstream =20
> AS...but this is a minor issue, because there are not so many ASBRs =20=

> connected to the upstream AS (two or three). You will have to =20
> remove the information on the ASBR if no Path message is received =20
> after the expiration of a timer...
Agree, this is a temporary state ... that would have been maintained =20
by the PCE anyway.

Cheers.

JP.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks once again for your opinion.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>   Rich
>
>
>
> From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN =20
> [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM
> To: Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
>
>
> Hi JP, Richard
>
>
>
> Please see inline,
>
>
>
> De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]
> Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
> =C0 : Rich Bradford
> Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the summary Rich.
>
>
>
> PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
>
> (1) You think that there is a need for such solution,
>
>
>
> Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-=20
> provider context.
>
>
>
> (2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)
>
>
>
> (3) You think that there is a need for both
>
>
>
> Answer to (2) and (3):
>
> It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as =20
> to ease interworking.
>
> IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will =20=

> be loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.
>
> If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, =20
> particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =20
> applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, =20
> encryption approaches are really vulnerable to DoS attacks.
>
> Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =20
> suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to =20
> the LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, =20
> sounds relevant and should be further investigated.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> JP.
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As suggested in Dallas, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs =20
> between the two solutions described in draft-rbradfor-ccamp-=20
> confidential-segment-00.txt.
>
> -- Rich
>
> The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different =20
> but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution =20
> and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines =20
> a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.
>
> In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS =20
> by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. =20
> During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the =20
> PCE for an expansion.
>
> The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting =20
> it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the =20
> LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =20=

> obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).
>
> The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =20=

> control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, =20
> (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =20
> applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =20=

> size of objects added to existing messages.
>
> (1) Additional Control Message Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =20
> receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =20
> the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR =20
> must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =20
> message exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption =20
> solution does not require this extra exchange between the PCE and =20
> the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to =20=

> be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional =20
> delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional =20=

> delay for the PRS solution.
>
> (2) PCE and LSR Performance:
>
> The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys =20
> adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the =20
> encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =20
> LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =20
> requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on =20
> the PCE response time.
>
> (3) Addition of State in the PCE:
>
> The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =20
> maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =20
> additional state.
>
> (4) Solution Scope:
>
> The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE =20
> to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct =20
> solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working =20
> in the case where A's network straddles B's network and where A =20
> wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =20=

> network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be =20
> used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned =20
> RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be =20
> adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =20
> PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure location confidential from =20
> LSRs without a decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is =20
> maintained by returning the address of border nodes, which can be =20
> very misleading.
>
> (5) Message Object Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =20=

> path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be =20
> returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =20
> message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as =20
> large as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be =20
> significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of hops =20
> within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The =20
> result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS =20
> solution.
>
> Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =20=

> Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =20
> implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could =20
> choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =20
> shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =20
> eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =20
> exchange could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need =20
> for a separate key exchange. These examples of extensions are =20
> beyond the scope of the ID, but might be useful when weighing the =20
> pros and cons of the two solutions.
>
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">Envoy=E9=A0:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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-khtml-left; "> lundi 24 avril 2006 20:06</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 16.02px; text-align: -khtml-left; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16.02px; font-weight: bold; =
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text-align: -khtml-left; ">=C0=A0:</SPAN></B><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
16.02px; text-align: -khtml-left; "> LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; =
Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur)</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 16.02px; text-align: -khtml-left; "><B style=3D"font-family: =
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"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
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">Cc=A0:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 16.02px; text-align: -khtml-left; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16.02px; text-align: =
-khtml-left; "><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16.02px; =
font-weight: bold; text-align: -khtml-left; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
16.02px; font-weight: bold; text-align: -khtml-left; =
">Objet=A0:</SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 16.02px; text-align: =
-khtml-left; "> RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key =
Solutions for the CPSID.</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 16.02px; text-align: -khtml-left; "></FONT><BR =
style=3D"text-align: -khtml-left; "></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV =
class=3D"Section1"><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; ">JL,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Thanks for the =
reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between multiple solutions when =
there are so many tradeoffs between the solutions.=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color:=
 rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
">Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited =
computed path segment. =A0It was a difficult choice whether or not to =
include a description of this in the original draft, since it is more =
complex. Which aspect of the optimization seemed most important? Was it =
that it=92s more efficient during LSP setup or because it could be used =
to shift the burden of maintaining state from the PCE to the =
LSR?</SPAN><FONT size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; =
">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT =
size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">IMO=A0the most important optimization is the gain in =
LSP setup time, which=A0may be=A0significant, and this is of =
particular=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">importance during end-to-end LSP restoration upon =
failure.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">Let's assume an inter-AS path computation with an =
AS-path length =3D N:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">-Without this =
optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* Intra-AS-RSVP-sig + N* =
LSR-PCE exchanges.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">-With this optimization =
the LSP signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">Hence the gain in =
signaling time is N*LSR-PCE =
exchanges.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">And=A0the good thing is=A0that the path computation =
time=A0would not be impacted at all by this procedure as the PCE-LSR =
unsolicited notification is done in // with the BRPC =
procedure.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000"><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT =
size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">There may be one minor con: =
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">During the BRPC you don't =
know a priori which path segment will finally be selected, hence you =
need to send the path segment=A0to all ASBR LSRs=A0connected to the =
upstream AS...but this is a minor issue, because there are not so many =
ASBRs connected to the upstream AS (two or three).=A0You will have =
to=A0remove the information on the ASBR=A0if no Path message is received =
after the expiration of a =
timer...</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN><=
/BLOCKQUOTE>Agree, this is a temporary state ... that would have been =
maintained by the PCE anyway.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cheers.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>JP.<BR><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><BLOCKQUOTE =
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#0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><DIV class=3D"Section1"><DIV =
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8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
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8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
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style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
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class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">Regards,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
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8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
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class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">JL</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
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size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Thanks once again for your =
opinion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Best =
Regards,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0 =
Rich</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium =
none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><DIV><DIV class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; " align=3D"center"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
text-align: center; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: =
center; "></SPAN><HR tabindex=3D"-1" align=3D"center" width=3D"100%" =
size=3D"2"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><B =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-weight: =
bold; "><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">From:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><ST1:STREET w:st=3D"on"><ST1:ADDRESS =
w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">LE ROUX Jean-Louis =
RD</SPAN></ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">-CORE-LAN [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com">mailto:jeanlouis.leroux=
@francetelecom.com</A>] </SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; =
font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Jean Philippe =
Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> RE: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">Hi JP, Richard</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family:=
 Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">Please see inline,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; =
PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt =
solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; " align=3D"center"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "></SPAN><HR tabindex=3D"-1" =
align=3D"center" width=3D"100%" size=3D"2"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; "><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">De=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT =
face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> JP Vasseur [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com">mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com</A>] =
</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Envoy=E9=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> jeudi 6 avril =
2006 14:52</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">=C0=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Rich =
Bradford</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Objet=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3D"FR"><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks for the summary Rich.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">PCE WG members: thanks to provide your =
feedback on whether:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) You think that there is a need for such =
solution,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Yes definitely, =
confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider =
context.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) You would prefer one solution (which one =
and why ?)</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">(3) You think that there is a need for =
both</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Answer to (2) and =
(3):</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">It seems to me that we =
should end-up with a single solution so as to=A0ease =
interworking.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">IMO=A0in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the =
paths will be loose anyway,=A0so there=A0will not be=A0any =
confidentiality issue.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">If have some concerns=A0regarding the cost of encryption, =
particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =
applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, encryption =
approaches are really vulnerable to DoS =
attacks.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hence I=A0would =
strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization suggested,=A0which =
consists of sending the computed path segment to the LSR in an =
unsolicited manner, just after the computation,=A0sounds relevant and =
should be further investigated.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Best =
Regards,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
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font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">JL</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV></DIV><DIV><P =
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"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
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"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
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font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">JP.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford =
((rbradfor)) wrote:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><BR style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name=3D"City" =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYP=
E name=3D"place" =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; =
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">As suggested in </SPAN><ST1:CITY =
u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:CITY w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE =
w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">Dallas</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs between the =
two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">-- =
Rich</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The =
Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">In short: The =
PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by saving it in a =
database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PRS =
solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, which may =
be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, the =
ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The major =
differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional control =
messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) the =
addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. applicability =
to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size of objects =
added to existing messages.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) Additional =
Control Message Overhead:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon receipt of the =
LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the Path Key might not =
reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must request the expansion =
from the PCE, requiring an additional message exchange before LSP setup =
can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does not require this extra =
exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the =
decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it is changed. The result =
is additional delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no =
additional delay for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; =
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) PCE and LSR Performance:</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding overhead to =
the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS in the PCE =
and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note =
that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large number of CPS =
may have an impact on the PCE response time.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(3) Addition =
of State in the PCE:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of =
a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional =
state.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(4) Solution =
Scope:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS and =
PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to encode and =
decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution without a =
PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case where A's =
network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO for a =
segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; =
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(5) Message Object Overhead:</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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Subject: Re: MIB Dr. Review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-tc-mib-10.txt
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	If its okay, I will leave this. It is
likely that I will have to spin another revision
based on IESG revision(s), so I will fix this then.
If there are none, I will keep a note to make sure
this is fixed when the RFC editor reviews.

	--Tom


> Hi Tom,
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-tc-mib-10.txt
> same comment as before wrt the expiration date
> (this is the same draft that was there prior, so
> if you submit a new one, please bump the
> draft number -- if you prefer to leave the fix
> to the RFC editor that is fine also).
>
> Thanks,
>  -Joan




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Subject: Re: MIB Dr. review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt
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	One question below.

> Hello Tom and Adrian,
>
>
> All MIBs compile with smilint and smicngPRO.
>
> Here are my few comments:
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt
>
> (#1 should be taken care of the others are NITs and
> could probably be fixed by RFC Editor if you so choose.)
>
> 1)  Think this was probably a place holder...but
> please just remove this:
>
>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "TDN QUestion"

	Thanks for catching this. I remember why I left this.
I was confused by your comments on this, which were:
>>>> 9) Full Compliance:
>>>>
>>>>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>>>>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>>>>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>>>>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>>>>      DESCRIPTION
>>>>        "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would remove this.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The description or the entire object?
>>>
>>
>> Presumably the Description limitation based on the text below.
>>
>>
>>>> Based on the
>>>> gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
>>>> believe you should allow createAndWait and also
>>>> Agent could/should be able to report notReady.

	Based on what is listed in RFC3813, for example,
we have the following:

    OBJECT       mplsInSegmentRowStatus
    SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
    WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
                             createAndGo(4), destroy(6)
                           }
    DESCRIPTION "Support for createAndWait and notReady is
                 not required."

	I guess I am looking for some explicit instruction on
what you would like to see in the DESCRIPTION for the
gmplsLabelRowStatus in the FullCompliance statement.

> 2) NIT
>
>          January 2003;
>         "
>
> Please change this to:
>
>
>             January 2003."
>
>
> 3) Informative References
>
> NIT:
>
> Change the order so references are in
> ascending order:
>
> Current order is:
>
>    [RFC3472]
>
>
>    [RFC3468]
>
> change to:
>
>    [RFC3468]
>
>    [RFC3472]
>
>
> NIT:
> Fix reference:
>
> Current:
>    [RFC3468]    Andersson, L., Swallow, G., "The Multiprotocol Label
>                 Switching (MPLS) Working Group decision on MPLS
>                 signaling protocols", RFC 3468, February 2003.
>
> Should be:
>
>    [RFC3468]    Andersson, L. and G. Swallow, "The Multiprotocol Label
>
>
> -- end --

	OK, fixed the above nits.

	--Tom





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Subject: Re: MIB Dr. Review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib-14.txt
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On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:44 PM, <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>  
<jcucchiara@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Tom,
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas D. Nadeau <tnadeau@cisco.com>
> To: <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>
> Cc: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>;
> <bwijnen@lucent.com>; <dromasca@avaya.com>; <kireeti@juniper.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: MIB Dr. Review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib-14.txt
>
> <snip>
>
>
>>> 9) I am still unclear about what objects can be supported within
>>> MPLS only.  Was expecting to see this clarified in the conformance
>>> statements.  There does seem to be more of a division here than
>>> in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB.
>>>
>>> Could some clarification be made to this point?
>>
>> I guess I am confused. I am not sure why we have
>> to explain the reverse relationship. All of the objects herein
>> are for GMPLS only; none apply to MPLS-only TE entries.
>> So the objects that are supported by
>> MPLS-only TE entries should have no corresponding
>> objects in this MIB module.  Tabular entries in this
>> MIB represent GMPLS entries only, and they also have
>> corresponding objects in say RFC3812. We also covered this
>> reciprocal relationship in the conformance statement before
>> as part of your previous comments RE: "should we
>> explain each object or explain that they ALL apply."
>>
>
> I was also confused.  If there are no MPLS objects then
> the MIB is fine as is.

	Cool. Left as-is.

	--Tom




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Hi Adrian, Dimitri,

In your slides regarding ASON, you mentioned in slide 7
http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06mar/slides/ccamp-4/sld7.htm
that the current proposal is to match the session object but that an 
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>Sent: Apr 27, 2006 10:50 AM
>To: "<jcucchiara@mindspring.com>" <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>
>Cc: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org, bwijnen@lucent.com, dromasca@avaya.com, kireeti@juniper.net
>Subject: Re: MIB Dr. review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt
>
>
>	One question below.
>
>> Hello Tom and Adrian,
>>
>>
>> All MIBs compile with smilint and smicngPRO.
>>
>> Here are my few comments:
>>
>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt
>>
>> (#1 should be taken care of the others are NITs and
>> could probably be fixed by RFC Editor if you so choose.)
>>
>> 1)  Think this was probably a place holder...but
>> please just remove this:
>>
>>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>>      DESCRIPTION
>>        "TDN QUestion"
>
>	Thanks for catching this. I remember why I left this.
>I was confused by your comments on this, which were:
>>>>> 9) Full Compliance:
>>>>>
>>>>>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>>>>>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>>>>>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>>>>>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>>>>>      DESCRIPTION
>>>>>        "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would remove this.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The description or the entire object?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Presumably the Description limitation based on the text below.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Based on the
>>>>> gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
>>>>> believe you should allow createAndWait and also
>>>>> Agent could/should be able to report notReady.
>
>	Based on what is listed in RFC3813, for example,
>we have the following:
>
>    OBJECT       mplsInSegmentRowStatus
>    SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>    WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>                             createAndGo(4), destroy(6)
>                           }
>    DESCRIPTION "Support for createAndWait and notReady is
>                 not required."
>
>	I guess I am looking for some explicit instruction on
>what you would like to see in the DESCRIPTION for the
>gmplsLabelRowStatus in the FullCompliance statement.


Hi Tom,

The above DESCRIPTION is okay.  Or (my preference) would be to
remove the entire object because think that you need CreateAndWait
based on how the object is used.  

-Joan


>
>> 2) NIT
>>
>>          January 2003;
>>         "
>>
>> Please change this to:
>>
>>
>>             January 2003."
>>
>>
>> 3) Informative References
>>
>> NIT:
>>
>> Change the order so references are in
>> ascending order:
>>
>> Current order is:
>>
>>    [RFC3472]
>>
>>
>>    [RFC3468]
>>
>> change to:
>>
>>    [RFC3468]
>>
>>    [RFC3472]
>>
>>
>> NIT:
>> Fix reference:
>>
>> Current:
>>    [RFC3468]    Andersson, L., Swallow, G., "The Multiprotocol Label
>>                 Switching (MPLS) Working Group decision on MPLS
>>                 signaling protocols", RFC 3468, February 2003.
>>
>> Should be:
>>
>>    [RFC3468]    Andersson, L. and G. Swallow, "The Multiprotocol Label
>>
>>
>> -- end --
>
>	OK, fixed the above nits.
>
>	--Tom
>
>







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-----Original Message-----
>From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" <tnadeau@cisco.com>
>Sent: Apr 27, 2006 10:50 AM
>To: "<jcucchiara@mindspring.com>" <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>
>Cc: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org, bwijnen@lucent.com, dromasca@avaya.com, kireeti@juniper.net
>Subject: Re: MIB Dr. review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt
>
>
>	One question below.
>
>> Hello Tom and Adrian,
>>
>>
>> All MIBs compile with smilint and smicngPRO.
>>
>> Here are my few comments:
>>
>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt
>>
>> (#1 should be taken care of the others are NITs and
>> could probably be fixed by RFC Editor if you so choose.)
>>
>> 1)  Think this was probably a place holder...but
>> please just remove this:
>>
>>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>>      DESCRIPTION
>>        "TDN QUestion"
>
>	Thanks for catching this. I remember why I left this.
>I was confused by your comments on this, which were:
>>>>> 9) Full Compliance:
>>>>>
>>>>>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>>>>>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>>>>>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>>>>>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>>>>>      DESCRIPTION
>>>>>        "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would remove this.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The description or the entire object?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Presumably the Description limitation based on the text below.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Based on the
>>>>> gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
>>>>> believe you should allow createAndWait and also
>>>>> Agent could/should be able to report notReady.
>
>	Based on what is listed in RFC3813, for example,
>we have the following:
>
>    OBJECT       mplsInSegmentRowStatus
>    SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>    WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>                             createAndGo(4), destroy(6)
>                           }
>    DESCRIPTION "Support for createAndWait and notReady is
>                 not required."
>
>	I guess I am looking for some explicit instruction on
>what you would like to see in the DESCRIPTION for the
>gmplsLabelRowStatus in the FullCompliance statement.


Hi Tom,

The above DESCRIPTION is okay.  Or (my preference) would be to
remove the entire object because think that you need CreateAndWait
based on how the object is used.  

-Joan


>
>> 2) NIT
>>
>>          January 2003;
>>         "
>>
>> Please change this to:
>>
>>
>>             January 2003."
>>
>>
>> 3) Informative References
>>
>> NIT:
>>
>> Change the order so references are in
>> ascending order:
>>
>> Current order is:
>>
>>    [RFC3472]
>>
>>
>>    [RFC3468]
>>
>> change to:
>>
>>    [RFC3468]
>>
>>    [RFC3472]
>>
>>
>> NIT:
>> Fix reference:
>>
>> Current:
>>    [RFC3468]    Andersson, L., Swallow, G., "The Multiprotocol Label
>>                 Switching (MPLS) Working Group decision on MPLS
>>                 signaling protocols", RFC 3468, February 2003.
>>
>> Should be:
>>
>>    [RFC3468]    Andersson, L. and G. Swallow, "The Multiprotocol Label
>>
>>
>> -- end --
>
>	OK, fixed the above nits.
>
>	--Tom
>
>






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Hi Adrian, Dimitri,

In your slides regarding ASON, you mentioned in slide 7
http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06mar/slides/ccamp-4/sld7.htm
that the current proposal is to match the session object but that an 
alternative may be using the association object.
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From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" <tnadeau@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: MIB Dr. Review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib-14.txt
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:53:16 -0400
To: "<jcucchiara@mindspring.com>" <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>

On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:44 PM, <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>  
<jcucchiara@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Tom,
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thomas D. Nadeau <tnadeau@cisco.com>
> To: <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>
> Cc: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>;
> <bwijnen@lucent.com>; <dromasca@avaya.com>; <kireeti@juniper.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: MIB Dr. Review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib-14.txt
>
> <snip>
>
>
>>> 9) I am still unclear about what objects can be supported within
>>> MPLS only.  Was expecting to see this clarified in the conformance
>>> statements.  There does seem to be more of a division here than
>>> in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB.
>>>
>>> Could some clarification be made to this point?
>>
>> I guess I am confused. I am not sure why we have
>> to explain the reverse relationship. All of the objects herein
>> are for GMPLS only; none apply to MPLS-only TE entries.
>> So the objects that are supported by
>> MPLS-only TE entries should have no corresponding
>> objects in this MIB module.  Tabular entries in this
>> MIB represent GMPLS entries only, and they also have
>> corresponding objects in say RFC3812. We also covered this
>> reciprocal relationship in the conformance statement before
>> as part of your previous comments RE: "should we
>> explain each object or explain that they ALL apply."
>>
>
> I was also confused.  If there are no MPLS objects then
> the MIB is fine as is.

	Cool. Left as-is.

	--Tom



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From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" <tnadeau@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: MIB Dr. Review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-tc-mib-10.txt
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:52:55 -0400
To: "<jcucchiara@mindspring.com>" <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>

	If its okay, I will leave this. It is
likely that I will have to spin another revision
based on IESG revision(s), so I will fix this then.
If there are none, I will keep a note to make sure
this is fixed when the RFC editor reviews.

	--Tom


> Hi Tom,
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-tc-mib-10.txt
> same comment as before wrt the expiration date
> (this is the same draft that was there prior, so
> if you submit a new one, please bump the
> draft number -- if you prefer to leave the fix
> to the RFC editor that is fine also).
>
> Thanks,
>  -Joan



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From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" <tnadeau@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: MIB Dr. review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:50:19 -0400
To: "<jcucchiara@mindspring.com>" <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>

	One question below.

> Hello Tom and Adrian,
>
>
> All MIBs compile with smilint and smicngPRO.
>
> Here are my few comments:
>
> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt
>
> (#1 should be taken care of the others are NITs and
> could probably be fixed by RFC Editor if you so choose.)
>
> 1)  Think this was probably a place holder...but
> please just remove this:
>
>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "TDN QUestion"

	Thanks for catching this. I remember why I left this.
I was confused by your comments on this, which were:
>>>> 9) Full Compliance:
>>>>
>>>>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>>>>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>>>>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>>>>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>>>>      DESCRIPTION
>>>>        "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would remove this.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The description or the entire object?
>>>
>>
>> Presumably the Description limitation based on the text below.
>>
>>
>>>> Based on the
>>>> gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
>>>> believe you should allow createAndWait and also
>>>> Agent could/should be able to report notReady.

	Based on what is listed in RFC3813, for example,
we have the following:

    OBJECT       mplsInSegmentRowStatus
    SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
    WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
                             createAndGo(4), destroy(6)
                           }
    DESCRIPTION "Support for createAndWait and notReady is
                 not required."

	I guess I am looking for some explicit instruction on
what you would like to see in the DESCRIPTION for the
gmplsLabelRowStatus in the FullCompliance statement.

> 2) NIT
>
>          January 2003;
>         "
>
> Please change this to:
>
>
>             January 2003."
>
>
> 3) Informative References
>
> NIT:
>
> Change the order so references are in
> ascending order:
>
> Current order is:
>
>    [RFC3472]
>
>
>    [RFC3468]
>
> change to:
>
>    [RFC3468]
>
>    [RFC3472]
>
>
> NIT:
> Fix reference:
>
> Current:
>    [RFC3468]    Andersson, L., Swallow, G., "The Multiprotocol Label
>                 Switching (MPLS) Working Group decision on MPLS
>                 signaling protocols", RFC 3468, February 2003.
>
> Should be:
>
>    [RFC3468]    Andersson, L. and G. Swallow, "The Multiprotocol Label
>
>
> -- end --

	OK, fixed the above nits.

	--Tom




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From: JP Vasseur <jvasseur@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:25:58 -0400
To: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" <jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com>

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Hi Jean-Louis,

On Apr 27, 2006, at 9:21 AM, LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Please see inline,
>
> De : Rich Bradford (rbradfor) [mailto:rbradfor@cisco.com]
> Envoy=E9 : lundi 24 avril 2006 20:06
> =C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur)
> Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Objet : RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
> JL,
>
> Thanks for the reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between =20
> multiple solutions when there are so many tradeoffs between the =20
> solutions.
>
>
>
> Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the =20
> unsolicited computed path segment.  It was a difficult choice =20
> whether or not to include a description of this in the original =20
> draft, since it is more complex. Which aspect of the optimization =20
> seemed most important? Was it that it=92s more efficient during LSP =20=

> setup or because it could be used to shift the burden of =20
> maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?
>
>
> IMO the most important optimization is the gain in LSP setup time, =20
> which may be significant, and this is of particular
>
> importance during end-to-end LSP restoration upon failure.
>
> Let's assume an inter-AS path computation with an AS-path length =3D =
N:
>
> -Without this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* Intra-=20=

> AS-RSVP-sig + N* LSR-PCE exchanges.
>
> -With this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* Intra-AS-=20=

> RSVP-sig
>
> Hence the gain in signaling time is N*LSR-PCE exchanges.
>
> And the good thing is that the path computation time would not be =20
> impacted at all by this procedure as the PCE-LSR unsolicited =20
> notification is done in // with the BRPC procedure.
>
>
> There may be one minor con: During the BRPC you don't know a priori =20=

> which path segment will finally be selected, hence you need to send =20=

> the path segment to all ASBR LSRs connected to the upstream =20
> AS...but this is a minor issue, because there are not so many ASBRs =20=

> connected to the upstream AS (two or three). You will have to =20
> remove the information on the ASBR if no Path message is received =20
> after the expiration of a timer...
Agree, this is a temporary state ... that would have been maintained =20
by the PCE anyway.

Cheers.

JP.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks once again for your opinion.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>   Rich
>
>
>
> From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN =20
> [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM
> To: Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
>
>
> Hi JP, Richard
>
>
>
> Please see inline,
>
>
>
> De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]
> Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
> =C0 : Rich Bradford
> Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the summary Rich.
>
>
>
> PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
>
> (1) You think that there is a need for such solution,
>
>
>
> Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-=20
> provider context.
>
>
>
> (2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)
>
>
>
> (3) You think that there is a need for both
>
>
>
> Answer to (2) and (3):
>
> It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as =20
> to ease interworking.
>
> IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will =20=

> be loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.
>
> If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, =20
> particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =20
> applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, =20
> encryption approaches are really vulnerable to DoS attacks.
>
> Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =20
> suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to =20
> the LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, =20
> sounds relevant and should be further investigated.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> JP.
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As suggested in Dallas, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs =20
> between the two solutions described in draft-rbradfor-ccamp-=20
> confidential-segment-00.txt.
>
> -- Rich
>
> The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different =20
> but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution =20
> and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines =20
> a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.
>
> In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS =20
> by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. =20
> During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the =20
> PCE for an expansion.
>
> The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting =20
> it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the =20
> LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =20=

> obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).
>
> The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =20=

> control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, =20
> (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =20
> applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =20=

> size of objects added to existing messages.
>
> (1) Additional Control Message Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =20
> receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =20
> the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR =20
> must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =20
> message exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption =20
> solution does not require this extra exchange between the PCE and =20
> the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to =20=

> be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional =20
> delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional =20=

> delay for the PRS solution.
>
> (2) PCE and LSR Performance:
>
> The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys =20
> adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the =20
> encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =20
> LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =20
> requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on =20
> the PCE response time.
>
> (3) Addition of State in the PCE:
>
> The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =20
> maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =20
> additional state.
>
> (4) Solution Scope:
>
> The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE =20
> to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct =20
> solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working =20
> in the case where A's network straddles B's network and where A =20
> wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =20=

> network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be =20
> used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned =20
> RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be =20
> adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =20
> PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure location confidential from =20
> LSRs without a decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is =20
> maintained by returning the address of border nodes, which can be =20
> very misleading.
>
> (5) Message Object Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =20=

> path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be =20
> returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =20
> message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as =20
> large as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be =20
> significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of hops =20
> within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The =20
> result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS =20
> solution.
>
> Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =20=

> Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =20
> implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could =20
> choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =20
> shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =20
> eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =20
> exchange could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need =20
> for a separate key exchange. These examples of extensions are =20
> beyond the scope of the ID, but might be useful when weighing the =20
> pros and cons of the two solutions.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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>
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FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; ">JL,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" =
color=3D"blue" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Thanks for the =
reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between multiple solutions when =
there are so many tradeoffs between the solutions.=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color:=
 rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
">Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited =
computed path segment. =A0It was a difficult choice whether or not to =
include a description of this in the original draft, since it is more =
complex. Which aspect of the optimization seemed most important? Was it =
that it=92s more efficient during LSP setup or because it could be used =
to shift the burden of maintaining state from the PCE to the =
LSR?</SPAN><FONT size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; =
">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT =
size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">IMO=A0the most important optimization is the gain in =
LSP setup time, which=A0may be=A0significant, and this is of =
particular=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">importance during end-to-end LSP restoration upon =
failure.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">Let's assume an inter-AS path computation with an =
AS-path length =3D N:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">-Without this =
optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* Intra-AS-RSVP-sig + N* =
LSR-PCE exchanges.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">-With this optimization =
the LSP signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">Hence the gain in =
signaling time is N*LSR-PCE =
exchanges.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">And=A0the good thing is=A0that the path computation =
time=A0would not be impacted at all by this procedure as the PCE-LSR =
unsolicited notification is done in // with the BRPC =
procedure.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000"><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT =
size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">There may be one minor con: =
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; ">During the BRPC you don't =
know a priori which path segment will finally be selected, hence you =
need to send the path segment=A0to all ASBR LSRs=A0connected to the =
upstream AS...but this is a minor issue, because there are not so many =
ASBRs connected to the upstream AS (two or three).=A0You will have =
to=A0remove the information on the ASBR=A0if no Path message is received =
after the expiration of a =
timer...</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN><=
/BLOCKQUOTE>Agree, this is a temporary state ... that would have been =
maintained by the PCE anyway.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cheers.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>JP.<BR><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
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#0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><DIV class=3D"Section1"><DIV =
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8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: =
8px; "><FONT color=3D"#ff0000" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
class=3D"837181812-27042006"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">Regards,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
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8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
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class=3D"837181812-27042006"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; =
text-indent: 8px; ">JL</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
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8px; "><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; =
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255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16.02px; text-indent: 8px; =
"></O:P></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Thanks once again for your =
opinion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
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8px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); =
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Best =
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font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
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Rich</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
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16px; " align=3D"center"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
text-align: center; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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center; "></SPAN><HR tabindex=3D"-1" align=3D"center" width=3D"100%" =
size=3D"2"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><B =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-weight: =
bold; "><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">From:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><ST1:STREET w:st=3D"on"><ST1:ADDRESS =
w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">LE ROUX Jean-Louis =
RD</SPAN></ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">-CORE-LAN [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com">mailto:jeanlouis.leroux=
@francetelecom.com</A>] </SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; =
font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Jean Philippe =
Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> RE: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">Hi JP, Richard</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family:=
 Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">Please see inline,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
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PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: blue 1.5pt =
solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; " align=3D"center"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "></SPAN><HR tabindex=3D"-1" =
align=3D"center" width=3D"100%" size=3D"2"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; "><FONT face=3D"Tahoma" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">De=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT =
face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> JP Vasseur [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com">mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com</A>] =
</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Envoy=E9=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> jeudi 6 avril =
2006 14:52</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">=C0=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Rich =
Bradford</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Objet=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3D"FR"><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks for the summary Rich.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">PCE WG members: thanks to provide your =
feedback on whether:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) You think that there is a need for such =
solution,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Yes definitely, =
confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider =
context.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) You would prefer one solution (which one =
and why ?)</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">(3) You think that there is a need for =
both</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" =
size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Answer to (2) and =
(3):</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">It seems to me that we =
should end-up with a single solution so as to=A0ease =
interworking.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">IMO=A0in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the =
paths will be loose anyway,=A0so there=A0will not be=A0any =
confidentiality issue.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">If have some concerns=A0regarding the cost of encryption, =
particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =
applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, encryption =
approaches are really vulnerable to DoS =
attacks.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hence I=A0would =
strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization suggested,=A0which =
consists of sending the computed path segment to the LSR in an =
unsolicited manner, just after the computation,=A0sounds relevant and =
should be further investigated.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
face=3D"Arial" color=3D"blue" size=3D"2"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Best =
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Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
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Roman; font-size: 16px; ">JP.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
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"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford =
((rbradfor)) wrote:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><P =
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"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name=3D"City" =
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namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><SPAN =
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font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
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16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">As suggested in </SPAN><ST1:CITY =
u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:CITY w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE =
w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">Dallas</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs between the =
two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">-- =
Rich</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The =
Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">In short: The =
PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by saving it in a =
database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PRS =
solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, which may =
be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, the =
ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The major =
differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional control =
messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) the =
addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. applicability =
to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size of objects =
added to existing messages.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) Additional =
Control Message Overhead:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon receipt of the =
LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the Path Key might not =
reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must request the expansion =
from the PCE, requiring an additional message exchange before LSP setup =
can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does not require this extra =
exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the =
decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it is changed. The result =
is additional delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no =
additional delay for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; =
mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) PCE and LSR Performance:</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding overhead to =
the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS in the PCE =
and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note =
that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large number of CPS =
may have an impact on the PCE response time.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(3) Addition =
of State in the PCE:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of =
a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional =
state.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
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style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(4) Solution =
Scope:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS and =
PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to encode and =
decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution without a =
PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case where A's =
network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO for a =
segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
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16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(5) Message Object Overhead:</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a path =
segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by the =
PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
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font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D"3"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Please note =
that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. Some of the =
shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =
implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could choose =
to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, shifting the =
burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the =
performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be performed =
for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might =
be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two =
solutions.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
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Hi Richard,
=20
Please see inline,


________________________________

	De : Rich Bradford (rbradfor) [mailto:rbradfor@cisco.com]=20
	Envoy=E9 : lundi 24 avril 2006 20:06
	=C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur)
	Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
	Objet : RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.
=09
=09

	JL,

	Thanks for the reply. It's always difficult to choose between multiple =
solutions when there are so many tradeoffs between the solutions. =20

	=20

	Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited =
computed path segment.  It was a difficult choice whether or not to =
include a description of this in the original draft, since it is more =
complex. Which aspect of the optimization seemed most important? Was it =
that it's more efficient during LSP setup or because it could be used to =
shift the burden of maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?=20

	=20

	IMO the most important optimization is the gain in LSP setup time, =
which may be significant, and this is of particular =20

	importance during end-to-end LSP restoration upon failure.

	Let's assume an inter-AS path computation with an AS-path length =3D N:

	-Without this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig + N* LSR-PCE exchanges.

	-With this optimization the LSP signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig

	Hence the gain in signaling time is N*LSR-PCE exchanges.

	And the good thing is that the path computation time would not be =
impacted at all by this procedure as the PCE-LSR unsolicited =
notification is done in // with the BRPC procedure.

	=20

	There may be one minor con: During the BRPC you don't know a priori =
which path segment will finally be selected, hence you need to send the =
path segment to all ASBR LSRs connected to the upstream AS...but this is =
a minor issue, because there are not so many ASBRs connected to the =
upstream AS (two or three). You will have to remove the information on =
the ASBR if no Path message is received after the expiration of a =
timer...

	=20

	Regards,

	=20

	JL

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	=20

	Thanks once again for your opinion.=20

	Best Regards,

	  Rich

	=20

=09
________________________________


	From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN =
[mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com]=20
	Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM
	To: Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)
	Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
	Subject: RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.

	=20

	Hi JP, Richard

	=20

	Please see inline,

		=20

	=09
________________________________


		De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]=20
		Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
		=C0 : Rich Bradford
		Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
		Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.

		Hi,=20

		=20

		Thanks for the summary Rich.

		=20

		PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:

		(1) You think that there is a need for such solution,=20

		=20

		Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an =
inter-provider context.

		=20

		(2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)=20

		=20

		(3) You think that there is a need for both=20

		=20

		Answer to (2) and (3):

		It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as to =
ease interworking.

		IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will be =
loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.=20

		If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, particularly =
for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a =
large number of hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really =
vulnerable to DoS attacks.

		Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =
suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to the =
LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, sounds =
relevant and should be further investigated.

		=20

		Best Regards,

		=20

		JL

		=20

		=20

		=20

		=20

		Thanks.

		=20

		JP.

		=20

		On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:

	=09
	=09
	=09

		Hi,

		As suggested in Dallas, I've described some of the tradeoffs between =
the two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.

		-- Rich

		The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.=20

		In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by =
saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During =
the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.

		The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, =
which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).=20

		The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =
control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) =
the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =
applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size =
of objects added to existing messages.

		(1) Additional Control Message Overhead:

		The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =
receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the =
Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must =
request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional message =
exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does =
not require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS solution but no additional delay for the PRS solution.

		(2) PCE and LSR Performance:

		The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding =
overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS =
in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU =
intensive. Note that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large =
number of CPS may have an impact on the PCE response time.

		(3) Addition of State in the PCE:

		The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =
maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =
additional state.

		(4) Solution Scope:

		The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to =
encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution =
without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case =
where A's network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO =
for a segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.

		(5) Message Object Overhead:

		The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =
path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by =
the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.

		Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =
Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =
implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could choose =
to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, shifting the =
burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the =
performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be performed =
for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might =
be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two solutions.

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		Pce@lists.ietf.org

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006><FONT =
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color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Please see inline,</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
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  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>De&nbsp;:</B> Rich Bradford (rbradfor) =

  [mailto:rbradfor@cisco.com] <BR><B>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</B> lundi 24 avril =
2006=20
  20:06<BR><B>=C0&nbsp;:</B> LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Jean =
Philippe Vasseur=20
  (jvasseur)<BR><B>Cc&nbsp;:</B> ccamp@ops.ietf.org;=20
  pce@ietf.org<BR><B>Objet&nbsp;:</B> RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption =
vs.=20
  Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">JL,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks=20
  for the reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between multiple =
solutions when=20
  there are so many tradeoffs between the solutions.&nbsp;=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regarding =
the=20
  optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited computed path =

  segment. &nbsp;It was a difficult choice whether or not to include a=20
  description of this in the original draft, since it is more complex. =
Which=20
  aspect of the optimization seemed most important? Was it that it=92s =
more=20
  efficient during LSP setup or because it could be used to shift the =
burden of=20
  maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?<FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>IMO&nbsp;the most important =
optimization=20
  is the gain in LSP setup time, which&nbsp;may be&nbsp;significant, and =
this is=20
  of particular&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>importance during end-to-end =
LSP=20
  restoration upon failure.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>Let's assume an inter-AS =
path=20
  computation with an AS-path length =3D =
N:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>-Without this optimization =
the LSP=20
  signaling time would be N* Intra-AS-RSVP-sig + N* LSR-PCE=20
  exchanges.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>-With this optimization the =
LSP=20
  signaling time would be N* =
Intra-AS-RSVP-sig</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>Hence the gain in signaling =
time is=20
  N*LSR-PCE exchanges.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>And&nbsp;the good thing =
is&nbsp;that the=20
  path computation time&nbsp;would not be impacted at all by this =
procedure as=20
  the PCE-LSR unsolicited notification is done in // with the BRPC=20
  procedure.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000><FONT=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><FONT=20
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class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><FONT=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>There may be one minor con:=20
  </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D837181812-27042006>During the BRPC you don't =
know a priori=20
  which path segment will finally be selected, hence you need to send =
the path=20
  segment&nbsp;to all ASBR LSRs&nbsp;connected to the upstream AS...but =
this is=20
  a minor issue, because there are not so many ASBRs connected to the =
upstream=20
  AS (two or three).&nbsp;You will have to&nbsp;remove the information =
on the=20
  ASBR&nbsp;if no Path message is received after the expiration of a=20
  timer...</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006>JL</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
color=3D#ff0000=20
  size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D837181812-27042006></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  =
class=3D837181812-27042006>&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks=20
  once again for your opinion. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Best=20
  Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 6pt"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;=20
  Rich<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
  <st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">LE ROUX Jean-Louis=20
  RD</st1:address></st1:Street>-CORE-LAN=20
  [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, April 21, 2006 =
12:51=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Jean =
Philippe Vasseur=20
  (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> ccamp@ops.ietf.org;=20
  pce@ietf.org<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:=20
  [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the=20
  CPSID.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi JP,=20
  Richard</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Please see=20
  inline,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN lang=3DFR =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
    <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
    </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DFR=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">De&nbsp;:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
    face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DFR=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> JP Vasseur=20
    [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</SPAN></B> jeudi 6 avril =
2006=20
    14:52<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">=C0&nbsp;:</SPAN></B> =
Rich=20
    Bradford<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Cc&nbsp;:</SPAN></B>=20
    ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org<BR><B><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Objet&nbsp;:</SPAN></B> Re: [Pce] =
Comparison of=20
    Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
    lang=3DFR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks for the summary=20
    Rich.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">PCE WG members: thanks to provide your =
feedback on=20
    whether:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(1) You think that there is a need for =
such=20
    solution,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes =
definitely,=20
    confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider=20
    context.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(2) You would prefer one solution (which =
one and why=20
    ?)</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(3) You think that there is a need for=20
    both</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Answer to =
(2) and=20
    (3):</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It seems =
to me that=20
    we should end-up with a single solution so as to&nbsp;ease=20
    interworking.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">IMO&nbsp;in an=20
    inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will be loose=20
    anyway,&nbsp;so there&nbsp;will not be&nbsp;any confidentiality =
issue.=20
    </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If have =
some=20
    concerns&nbsp;regarding the cost of encryption, particularly for =
large paths=20
    (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a large number =
of=20
    hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really vulnerable to =
DoS=20
    attacks.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hence =
I&nbsp;would=20
    strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =
suggested,&nbsp;which=20
    consists of sending the computed path segment to the LSR in an =
unsolicited=20
    manner, just after the computation,&nbsp;sounds relevant and should =
be=20
    further investigated.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Best=20
    Regards,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">JL</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">JP.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford=20
    ((rbradfor)) wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE=20
    name=3D"City"=20
    =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTY=
PE=20
    name=3D"place"=20
    =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags">Hi,<O:P></O:P=
><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As =
suggested in=20
    <ST1:CITY u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st=3D"on"><st1:City =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20
    w:st=3D"on">Dallas</st1:place></st1:City></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, =
I=92ve=20
    described some of the tradeoffs between the two solutions described =
in=20
    =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-- =

    Rich<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>The=20
    Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally=20
    valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route=20
    Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of the =
advantages and=20
    disadvantages of each solution. =
<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>In=20
    short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by =
saving it=20
    in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP =
setup,=20
    the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an=20
    expansion.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PRS solution=20
    allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, which may be =
done by a=20
    PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR =
for that=20
    AS must use a decryption key to obtain the expansion (implying an =
earlier=20
    exchange or configuration). <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>The=20
    major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =
control=20
    messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) the =
addition=20
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various=20
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existing=20
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
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Overhead:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
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12pt">The PKS solution=20
    requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon receipt of the LSP =
setup=20
    request. Since the PCE which calculated the Path Key might not =
reside in the=20
    entry boundary LSR, the LSR must request the expansion from the PCE, =

    requiring an additional message exchange before LSP setup can =
proceed. The=20
    Path Encryption solution does not require this extra exchange =
between the=20
    PCE and the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key =
needs to=20
    be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional delay =
during=20
    every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional delay for the =
PRS=20
    solution.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>(2) PCE and LSR=20
    Performance:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding overhead to the =
PCE. The=20
    PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS in the PCE and =
decryption of=20
    the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case =
of a=20
    burst of requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an =
impact on=20
    the PCE response time.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>(3)=20
    Addition of State in the =
PCE:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS solution=20
    requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of a =
database=20
    in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional=20
    state.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>(4) Solution=20
    Scope:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The PKS and PRS=20
    solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to encode and =
decode the=20
    CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution without a PCE. This =

    prevents the PKS solution for working in the case where A's network=20
    straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO for a segment =
of the=20
    LSP across the intervening network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In =
addition,=20
    the PRS could be used to record a CPS even if the path (and =
therefore the=20
    returned RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution =
could be=20
    adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =
PATHTEARs, while=20
    keeping the failure location confidential from LSRs without a =
decryption=20
    key. Currently privacy of this source is maintained by returning the =
address=20
    of border nodes, which can be very=20
    misleading.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><O:P></O:P>(5)=20
    Message Object Overhead:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
    style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: =
auto"><FONT=20
    face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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which=20
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be=20
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must=20
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AS and=20
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hops=20
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is=20
    potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS=20
    solution.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
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auto"><FONT=20
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tradeoffs=20
    listed here are for the current I-D. Some of the shortcomings of =
each=20
    approach could be mitigated by implementation-specific =
optimizations. For=20
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    boundary LSR, shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to =
the LSR=20
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exchange=20
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separate key=20
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ID, but=20
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    solutions.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Hi Tom,

draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-tc-mib-10.txt 
same comment as before wrt the expiration date
(this is the same draft that was there prior, so
if you submit a new one, please bump the 
draft number -- if you prefer to leave the fix
to the RFC editor that is fine also).

Thanks, 
 -Joan



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Look great!  

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Hello Tom and Adrian,


All MIBs compile with smilint and smicngPRO.

Here are my few comments:

draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-13.txt

(#1 should be taken care of the others are NITs and
could probably be fixed by RFC Editor if you so choose.)

1)  Think this was probably a place holder...but
please just remove this:

     OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
     SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
     WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
                              createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
     DESCRIPTION
       "TDN QUestion"

2) NIT

         January 2003;
        "

Please change this to:


            January 2003."
                        

3) Informative References

NIT:

Change the order so references are in
ascending order:

Current order is:

   [RFC3472]  


   [RFC3468] 

change to:

   [RFC3468] 

   [RFC3472]  


NIT:
Fix reference:

Current:
   [RFC3468]    Andersson, L., Swallow, G., "The Multiprotocol Label 
                Switching (MPLS) Working Group decision on MPLS 
                signaling protocols", RFC 3468, February 2003.

Should be:

   [RFC3468]    Andersson, L. and G. Swallow, "The Multiprotocol Label 


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Hi Tom,



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<snip>


> > 9) I am still unclear about what objects can be supported within
> > MPLS only.  Was expecting to see this clarified in the conformance
> > statements.  There does seem to be more of a division here than
> > in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB.
> >
> > Could some clarification be made to this point?
>
> I guess I am confused. I am not sure why we have
> to explain the reverse relationship. All of the objects herein
> are for GMPLS only; none apply to MPLS-only TE entries.
> So the objects that are supported by
> MPLS-only TE entries should have no corresponding
> objects in this MIB module.  Tabular entries in this
> MIB represent GMPLS entries only, and they also have
> corresponding objects in say RFC3812. We also covered this
> reciprocal relationship in the conformance statement before
> as part of your previous comments RE: "should we
> explain each object or explain that they ALL apply."
>

I was also confused.  If there are no MPLS objects then
the MIB is fine as is.

Thanks,
  Joan






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	Title		: Definitions of Textual Conventions for Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Management
	Author(s)	: T. Nadeau, A. Farrel
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-tc-mib-10.txt
	Pages		: 9
	Date		: 2006-4-11
	
This document defines a Management Information Base (MIB) module
   which contains Textual Conventions to represent commonly used
   Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) management
   information. The intent is that these TEXTUAL CONVENTIONS (TCs) will
   be imported and used in GMPLS related MIB modules that would
   otherwise define their own representations.

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Subject: Last Call: 'Link Management Protocol (LMP) Management Information Base  (MIB)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc4327bis) 
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The IESG has received a request from the Common Control and Measurement Plane 
WG to consider the following document:

- 'Link Management Protocol (LMP) Management Information Base (MIB) '
   <draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc4327bis-01.txt> as a Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action.  Please send any comments to the
iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2006-05-09.

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From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" <tnadeau@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: MIB Dr. Review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib-14.txt
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:40:23 -0400
To: "<jcucchiara@mindspring.com>" <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>

> Hello Tom and Adrian,
>
> Here are a few comments on
> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib-14.txt.
> Thank you for the great updates.
>
> Thanks,
> -Joan

	First, removed references to 4201, 4003
and 4420 that were added as per last email from
Joan. Things are back to the original state
WRT these.

> Compiles with both smicngPRO and smilint.
>
> 1) There is a disconnect in the numbers under the
> under gmplsTeGroup, was this intentional, if so,
> please explain, otherwise, please correct it.
>
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1  gmplsTeGroups  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
> oid-value-assignment
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.1  gmplsTunnelGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
> object-group
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.2  gmplsTunnelSignaledGroup  [GMPLS-TE- 
> STD-MIB]:
> object-group
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.3  gmplsTunnelScalarGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD- 
> MIB]:
> object-group
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.6  gmplsTunnelOptionalGroup  [GMPLS-TE- 
> STD-MIB]:
> object-group
> 1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.7  gmplsTeNotificationGroup  [GMPLS-TE- 
> STD-MIB]:
> notification-group
>
>
> 2) Expiration date in the page header is incorrect
> Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 1]
>
>
> 3) 1.1. Migration Strategy
>    "The gmplsTunnelLSPEncoding may be set to tunnelLspNotGmpls to  
> allow an
>    MPLS-TE LSP tunnel to benefit from the additional objects and  
> tables
>    of GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB without supporting the GMPLS protocols.
>
> Think you mean, GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB in the latter part of the above  
> sentence.
>
>
> 4) 1.1. Migration Strategy
>    "Textual conventions are defined in [RFC3811] and [GMPLSTCMIB]."
>
> There aren't any TCs from GMPLSTCMIB, but there are
> from the IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB, so perhaps adding IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB to  
> this
> statement would be appropriate.
>
>
> 5) (NIT) 2. Terminology
>
>    "These segment and cross-connect objects are defined in the MPLS  
> Label
>    Switch Router MIB (MPLS-LSR-STD-MIB) [RFC3813], but see also the
>    GMPLS Label Switch Router MIB (GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB) [GMPLSLSRMIB]  
> for..."
>
> Please be sure to use "Label Switching Router" (and not Label Switch
> Router).
>
>
> 6) Typos:
>        gmplsTunnelLinkProtection
>
>           This glag is set to indicate that the LSP should not use any
>           link layer protection.
>
> s/glag/flag
>
>         shared
>           This flage is set to indicate that a shared link layer
>
> s/flage/flag
>
>
>
> 7)    gmplsTunnelErrorEntry OBJECT-TYPE
>
>
> The use of the term "discontinuity" implies that the counters
> suffered a discontinuity,but the situation you are describing is
> that another error occurred.  Please rephrase this to something
> like:
>
> "Note that systems which read the objects in this table one at
> a time should read gmplsTunnelErrorLastTime prior to the first
> object and after reading the last object of this table to
> ensure that no additional errors occurred."
>
>
>
> 8) gmplsTunnelUnnumIf does not appear in the
> ReadOnly Conformance.

	Fixed all of above.
>
> 9) I am still unclear about what objects can be supported within
> MPLS only.  Was expecting to see this clarified in the conformance
> statements.  There does seem to be more of a division here than
> in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB.
>
> Could some clarification be made to this point?

	I guess I am confused. I am not sure why we have
to explain the reverse relationship. All of the objects herein
are for GMPLS only; none apply to MPLS-only TE entries.
So the objects that are supported by
MPLS-only TE entries should have no corresponding
objects in this MIB module.  Tabular entries in this
MIB represent GMPLS entries only, and they also have
corresponding objects in say RFC3812. We also covered this
reciprocal relationship in the conformance statement before
as part of your previous comments RE: "should we
explain each object or explain that they ALL apply."

> 10)  IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB
>
> Would remove parts of the DESCRIPTION clauses which
> refer to the GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB module.  The reason is
> that these TCs may eventually be used in other MIB modules
> and since this particular module will be controlled by
> IANA, these sort of statements don't appear in IANA
> MIB Modules as far as I know.
>
>             "This data type is used as the syntax of the
>              gmplsTunnelLSPEncoding object in the definition of
>              GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."
>
>             "This data type is used as the syntax of the
>              gmplsTunnelSwitchingType object in the definition of
>              GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."
>
>             "This data type is used as the syntax of the
>              gmplsTunnelGPid object in the definition of
>              GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."
>
>             "This data type is used as the syntax of the
>              gmplsTunnelAdminStatusFlags object in the definition of
>              GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."
>
>
> -- the end --

	Done.

	I will re-compile/re-format the modules and post them
to the ID repository now.

	Thanks Joan!

	--Tom





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From: JP Vasseur <jvasseur@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:59:23 -0400
To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN <jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com>, pce@ietf.org

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Hi,

Thanks for your feed-back, suggesting to go ahead with one solution, =20
the PKS. Indeed, the proposed optimization could be specified in a =20
further revision (being optional).

Others, any opinion ?

Thanks.

JP.

On Apr 24, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:

> JL,
>
> Thanks for the reply. It=92s always difficult to choose between =20
> multiple solutions when there are so many tradeoffs between the =20
> solutions.
>
>
>
> Regarding the optimization where the PCE sends the LSR the =20
> unsolicited computed path segment.  It was a difficult choice =20
> whether or not to include a description of this in the original =20
> draft, since it is more complex. Which aspect of the optimization =20
> seemed most important? Was it that it=92s more efficient during LSP =20=

> setup or because it could be used to shift the burden of =20
> maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?
>
> Thanks once again for your opinion.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>   Rich
>
>
>
> From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN =20
> [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM
> To: Jean Philippe Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
>
>
> Hi JP, Richard
>
>
>
> Please see inline,
>
>
>
> De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]
> Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
> =C0 : Rich Bradford
> Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions =20
> for the CPSID.
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the summary Rich.
>
>
>
> PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
>
> (1) You think that there is a need for such solution,
>
>
>
> Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-=20
> provider context.
>
>
>
> (2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)
>
>
>
> (3) You think that there is a need for both
>
>
>
> Answer to (2) and (3):
>
> It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as =20
> to ease interworking.
>
> IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will =20=

> be loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.
>
> If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, =20
> particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =20
> applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, =20
> encryption approaches are really vulnerable to DoS attacks.
>
> Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =20
> suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to =20
> the LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, =20
> sounds relevant and should be further investigated.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> JL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> JP.
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As suggested in Dallas, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs =20
> between the two solutions described in draft-rbradfor-ccamp-=20
> confidential-segment-00.txt.
>
> -- Rich
>
> The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different =20
> but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution =20
> and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines =20
> a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.
>
> In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS =20
> by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. =20
> During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the =20
> PCE for an expansion.
>
> The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting =20
> it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the =20
> LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =20=

> obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).
>
> The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =20=

> control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, =20
> (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =20
> applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =20=

> size of objects added to existing messages.
>
> (1) Additional Control Message Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =20
> receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =20
> the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR =20
> must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =20
> message exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption =20
> solution does not require this extra exchange between the PCE and =20
> the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to =20=

> be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional =20
> delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional =20=

> delay for the PRS solution.
>
> (2) PCE and LSR Performance:
>
> The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys =20
> adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the =20
> encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =20
> LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =20
> requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on =20
> the PCE response time.
>
> (3) Addition of State in the PCE:
>
> The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =20
> maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =20
> additional state.
>
> (4) Solution Scope:
>
> The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE =20
> to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct =20
> solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working =20
> in the case where A's network straddles B's network and where A =20
> wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =20=

> network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be =20
> used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned =20
> RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be =20
> adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =20
> PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure location confidential from =20
> LSRs without a decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is =20
> maintained by returning the address of border nodes, which can be =20
> very misleading.
>
> (5) Message Object Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =20=

> path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be =20
> returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =20
> message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as =20
> large as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be =20
> significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of hops =20
> within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The =20
> result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS =20
> solution.
>
> Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =20=

> Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =20
> implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could =20
> choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =20
> shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =20
> eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =20
> exchange could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need =20
> for a separate key exchange. These examples of extensions are =20
> beyond the scope of the ID, but might be useful when weighing the =20
> pros and cons of the two solutions.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Pce mailing list
>
> Pce@lists.ietf.org
>
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>
>
>
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Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Regarding the optimization =
where the PCE sends the LSR the unsolicited computed path segment. =A0It =
was a difficult choice whether or not to include a description of this =
in the original draft, since it is more complex. Which aspect of the =
optimization seemed most important? Was it that it=92s more efficient =
during LSP setup or because it could be used to shift the burden of =
maintaining state from the PCE to the LSR?</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-indent:6.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Thanks once again for your =
opinion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:6.0pt; font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">Best Regards,</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-indent:6.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-indent: 8px; "><FONT size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 16px; text-indent: 8px; ">=A0 Rich</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
text-indent: 8px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; =
font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: =
rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt"><DIV><DIV class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" =
style=3D"text-align:center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; text-align: center; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: =
center; "></SPAN><HR size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" =
tabindex=3D"-1"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><B =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; font-weight: =
bold; "><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; =
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">From:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "> </SPAN><ST1:STREET w:st=3D"on"><ST1:ADDRESS =
w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">LE ROUX Jean-Louis =
RD</SPAN></ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">-CORE-LAN [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com">mailto:jeanlouis.leroux=
@francetelecom.com</A>] </SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; =
font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "> Friday, April 21, 2006 12:51 PM</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Jean Philippe =
Vasseur (jvasseur); Rich Bradford (rbradfor)</SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> RE: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3"=
 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hi JP, =
Richard</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Please see =
inline,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P><BLOCKQUOTE =
style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt; =
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">=
<P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV =
class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; text-align: center; "></SPAN><HR size=3D"2" =
width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" tabindex=3D"-1"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt; font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><B style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; "><FONT size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold; =
font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">De=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN =
lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> JP Vasseur [<A =
href=3D"mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com">mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com</A>] =
</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Envoy=E9=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> jeudi 6 avril =
2006 14:52</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">=C0=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Rich =
Bradford</SPAN><BR style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; =
"><B style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: =
bold; "><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Cc=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ops.ietf.org">ccamp@ops.ietf.org</A>; <A =
href=3D"mailto:pce@ietf.org">pce@ietf.org</A></SPAN><BR =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
"><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; =
">Objet=A0:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Re: [Pce] =
Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the =
CPSID.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3D"FR"><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks for the summary Rich.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">PCE WG members: thanks to provide your =
feedback on whether:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) You think that there is a need for such =
solution,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =
color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Yes definitely, =
confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider =
context.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) You would prefer one solution (which one =
and why ?)</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =
color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">(3) You think that there is a need for =
both</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =
color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: =
Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">=A0</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Answer to (2) and =
(3):</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">It seems to me that we =
should end-up with a single solution so as to=A0ease =
interworking.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">IMO=A0in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the =
paths will be loose anyway,=A0so there=A0will not be=A0any =
confidentiality issue.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">If have some concerns=A0regarding the cost of encryption, =
particularly for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP =
applications with a large number of hops...). By the way, encryption =
approaches are really vulnerable to DoS =
attacks.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Hence I=A0would =
strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization suggested,=A0which =
consists of sending the computed path segment to the LSR in an =
unsolicited manner, just after the computation,=A0sounds relevant and =
should be further investigated.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-size: =
13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, =
255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Best =
Regards,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue; color: rgb(0, =
0, 255); font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: =
13.3333px; ">JL</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></P></DIV></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">Thanks.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times =
New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">JP.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">=A0</SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; ">On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford =
((rbradfor)) wrote:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "><BR style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"><BR style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name=3D"City" =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><O:SMARTTAGTYP=
E name=3D"place" =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">Hi,</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></O:SMARTTAGTYPE></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">As suggested =
in </SPAN><ST1:CITY u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE u1:st=3D"on"><ST1:CITY =
w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE w:st=3D"on"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
">Dallas</SPAN></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; ">, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs between the =
two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">-- =
Rich</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The =
Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">In short: The =
PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by saving it in a =
database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PRS =
solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, which may =
be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, the =
ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The major =
differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional control =
messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) the =
addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. applicability =
to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size of objects =
added to existing messages.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(1) Additional =
Control Message Overhead:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon receipt of the =
LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the Path Key might not =
reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must request the expansion =
from the PCE, requiring an additional message exchange before LSP setup =
can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does not require this extra =
exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the =
decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it is changed. The result =
is additional delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no =
additional delay for the PRS solution.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(2) PCE and =
LSR Performance:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding overhead to =
the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS in the PCE =
and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note =
that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large number of CPS =
may have an impact on the PCE response time.</SPAN><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; =
"></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(3) Addition =
of State in the PCE:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; =
font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS =
solution requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of =
a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional =
state.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">(4) Solution =
Scope:</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: =
16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; ">The PKS and =
PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to encode and =
decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution without a =
PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case where A's =
network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO for a =
segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.</SPAN><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><O:P style=3D"font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =
font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; font-family: =
Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><O:P style=3D"font-family: Times New =
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PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
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PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
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From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" <zali@cisco.com>, "Richard Rabbat" <richard@us.fujitsu.com>, "Don Fedyk" <dwfedyk@nortel.com>, "Filippo Cugini" <filippo.cugini@cnit.it>, "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
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Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
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Hi Zafar,

While I agree with you as a likely deployment scenario, I must point out 
that PCE is architecturally not just like any other node in the network 
receiving flooding from peering nodes.

The PCE architecture very clearly (and deliberately) states that the 
information on which the PCE operates may be limited to the IGP flooding 
information, may be enhanced from other sources (which could include 
configuration, inventory discovery, alarm management, network monitoring, 
etc.), or might be restricted to other sources (i.e. without listening to 
flooding).

This is to say that the need to factor this information into the 
computations performed by PCE neither forces nor precludes the addition of 
the information to the flooding protocol.

Cheers,
Adrian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com>
To: "Richard Rabbat" <richard@us.fujitsu.com>; "Don Fedyk" 
<dwfedyk@nortel.com>; "Filippo Cugini" <filippo.cugini@cnit.it>; "Adrian 
Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:32 AM
Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Richard Rabbat
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:55 AM
> To: 'Don Fedyk'; 'Filippo Cugini'; 'Adrian Farrel'; 'Marco Ruffini'
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
>
> Hi,
> There are pros and cons to advertising optical information
> including lambda availability and optical impairements.
> GMPLS is not supposed to replace advanced path computation
> tools. Actually, an entity such as the PCE would be a perfect
> piece in the architecture of a lambda network as it is
> expected to provide advanced computation capabilities beyond CSPF.

Richard,

>From flooding view point, PCE is just like another node in the network
receiving flooding from peering nodes. So in any case extension to the
IGP protocol will be needed if we want to convey more optical
information (e.g., optical impairements).

Nonetheless, I am for exploring more in this area.

Thanks

Regards... Zafar

> <begin shameless plug from my draft>
> Actually, we've been looking at some interop scenarii where
> we are clearly in need for standardization and mentioned one
> such scenario in
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-shiba-ccamp-gmpls-la
mbda-labels-01
> .txt
> <end>
> I think it's time to do a proper analysis of what support
> already exists, what is still needed and work on extensions
> (if needed) to support the new generation of ROADM and PXC
> devices where interop is required.
> A few vendors who build ROADMs and PXCs, as well as SPs
> deploying them have expressed interest in this topic when we
> discussed the 1st version at CCAMP.
> I think it's time to sit down and take a stab at it so we
> have an interesting draft to discuss in Montreal.
> Send me email if you have some cycles to spare on this topic.
> Richard.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Don Fedyk
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:05 AM
> > To: Filippo Cugini; Adrian Farrel; Marco Ruffini
> > Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > About a year ago we started to collect requirements for towards this
> > area in a draft. Our current thinking is that the optical/photonic
> > networks will have fairly proprietary ways of dealing with the
> > non-linear properties but that the interface to GMPLS can be
> > summarized
> > as a fairly generic network interface with a simple metric and a
> > blocking capability. We only got as far a the requirements.
>  The draft
> > is in in need of a refresh I will try to do that shortly.  I have to
> > contact some other people who were interested in the area.
> >
> > If you cannot find a copy of the draft I will send it to you.
> >
> > draft-ashwood-ccamp-gmpls-constraint-reqts-00
> >
> > Regards,
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Filippo Cugini
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network
> > > elements such
> > > as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical
> > > transport networks. However, the current GMPLS does not
> > > provide any functionality to keep track
> > > of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh
> > > networks must be
> > > statically designed, during the network planning, to
> > > guarantee that even the
> > > most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is
> > > acceptable. Otherwise,
> > > because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can
> > > successfully be set up
> > > even if they do not comply with physical parameters
> > > constraints. However, the worst case design approach heavily
> > > limits the size of the
> > > transparent networks.
> > >
> > >   Filippo
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Adrian Farrel"
> > > >  [..]
> > > > - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
> > > >   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
> > > >   stated.
> > > > - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
> > > >   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
> > > >   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
> > > >   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
> > > >   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>







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From: "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" <zali@cisco.com>
To: "Richard Rabbat" <richard@us.fujitsu.com>, "Don Fedyk" <dwfedyk@nortel.com>, "Filippo Cugini" <filippo.cugini@cnit.it>, "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Richard Rabbat
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:55 AM
> To: 'Don Fedyk'; 'Filippo Cugini'; 'Adrian Farrel'; 'Marco Ruffini'
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
>=20
> Hi,
> There are pros and cons to advertising optical information=20
> including lambda availability and optical impairements. =20
> GMPLS is not supposed to replace advanced path computation=20
> tools. Actually, an entity such as the PCE would be a perfect=20
> piece in the architecture of a lambda network as it is=20
> expected to provide advanced computation capabilities beyond CSPF.

Richard,=20

>From flooding view point, PCE is just like another node in the network
receiving flooding from peering nodes. So in any case extension to the
IGP protocol will be needed if we want to convey more optical
information (e.g., optical impairements).=20

Nonetheless, I am for exploring more in this area.=20

Thanks

Regards... Zafar=20

> <begin shameless plug from my draft>
> Actually, we've been looking at some interop scenarii where=20
> we are clearly in need for standardization and mentioned one=20
> such scenario in
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-shiba-ccamp-gmpls-la
mbda-labels-01
> .txt
> <end>
> I think it's time to do a proper analysis of what support=20
> already exists, what is still needed and work on extensions=20
> (if needed) to support the new generation of ROADM and PXC=20
> devices where interop is required.
> A few vendors who build ROADMs and PXCs, as well as SPs=20
> deploying them have expressed interest in this topic when we=20
> discussed the 1st version at CCAMP.
> I think it's time to sit down and take a stab at it so we=20
> have an interesting draft to discuss in Montreal.
> Send me email if you have some cycles to spare on this topic.
> Richard.
> =20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Don Fedyk
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:05 AM
> > To: Filippo Cugini; Adrian Farrel; Marco Ruffini
> > Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
> >=20
> >=20
> > Hi all
> >=20
> > About a year ago we started to collect requirements for towards this
> > area in a draft. Our current thinking is that the optical/photonic
> > networks will have fairly proprietary ways of dealing with the
> > non-linear properties but that the interface to GMPLS can be=20
> > summarized
> > as a fairly generic network interface with a simple metric and a
> > blocking capability. We only got as far a the requirements.=20
>  The draft
> > is in in need of a refresh I will try to do that shortly.  I have to
> > contact some other people who were interested in the area.=20
> >=20
> > If you cannot find a copy of the draft I will send it to you.=20
> >=20
> > draft-ashwood-ccamp-gmpls-constraint-reqts-00
> >=20
> > Regards,
> > Don=20
> >=20
> >   =20
> >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> > > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Filippo Cugini
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > Hi all,
> > >=20
> > > IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network=20
> > > elements such=20
> > > as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical=20
> > > transport networks. However, the current GMPLS does not=20
> > > provide any functionality to keep track=20
> > > of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh=20
> > > networks must be=20
> > > statically designed, during the network planning, to=20
> > > guarantee that even the=20
> > > most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is=20
> > > acceptable. Otherwise,=20
> > > because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can=20
> > > successfully be set up=20
> > > even if they do not comply with physical parameters=20
> > > constraints. However, the worst case design approach heavily=20
> > > limits the size of the=20
> > > transparent networks.
> > >=20
> > >   Filippo
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > From: "Adrian Farrel"
> > > >  [..]
> > > > - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
> > > >   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
> > > >   stated.
> > > > - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
> > > >   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
> > > >   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
> > > >   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
> > > >   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20



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Delivery-date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:25:41 +0000
To: "Fahad Dogar" <fahad.dogar@gmail.com>
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org, gels@rtg.ietf.org
Subject: Re: GMPLS support for Ethernet switching
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:24:30 +0200
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hi - see in-line (i put gels mailing list in cc.)




"Fahad Dogar" <fahad.dogar@gmail.com>
Sent by: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
24/04/2006 16:36
 
        To:     ccamp@ops.ietf.org
        cc: 
        Subject:        GMPLS support for Ethernet switching


Hi all,

I have few questions related to the draft on GMPLS support for
Ethernet switching by D.Papadimitriou et al.:

i) The draft discusses that connection oriented ethernet is suitable
for metro and core networks where ethernet is used for transport. I am
not too clear on the architecture in which ethernet LSPs would be
used. Are we considering point to point type ethernet connections
between switches/routers  i.e. where the bandwidth is not shared.
Example: Two peer routers connected through an ethernet interface, so
effectively complete bandwidth is available.

[dp] this would be either a port based ethernet LSP, supported today
in RFC 3473/3471 no specific issue or a frame based ethernet LSP
this is where different labeling techniques have been proposed; 

Or are we talking about multiple switches in a GMPLS enabled cloud
that are part of the SAME LAN and  bandwidth  is shared. I am not sure
how  bandwidth reservations would be done in this sceneario.

[dp] we are not talking about LAN environments 

ii) Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems that the traffic
engineering benefits of GMPLS support for Ethernet are also available
in Ethernet over MPLS. (I am considering that connection oriented
Ethernet is used in metro/core networks only). However, by providing
GMPLS support for Ethernet we are able to do away with IP/MPLS layer
and thus we can have an all Ethernet network (with only ethernet
switches). Is this the primary reason for using GMPLS support for
Ethernet rather than Ethernet over MPLS? Can someone comment on this?

[dp] this approach intends to deliver source routed TE label switched
path establishment (through control plane upgrade) for metro/aggregation
and core Ethernet networks 

iii) The draft discusses various options for ethernet label, all of
which seem to require modification in the forwarding plane of
Ethernet? Is this something that can implemented easily i.e. change in
forwarding plane? Why can't we consider MAC address or VLAN tag as the
label?

[dp] this question has been lengthily debated on the GELS mailing list,
(i refer you there as well as to last meeting discussion material)

[dp] in brief, and as of today, SVID labels (using SVID translation) and 
MAC+SVID label (using SVL switches) are two feasible techniques for the 
.1ad environments

Thanks in advance,
Fahad






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Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: "Fahad Dogar" <fahad.dogar@gmail.com>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Subject: Re: GMPLS support for Ethernet switching
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:58:59 +0100
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Hi,

Thanks for raising these questions, and I hope Dimitri et al. will respond.

However, the discussion should take place on the GELS mailing list.

Thanks,
Adrian
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fahad Dogar" <fahad.dogar@gmail.com>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: GMPLS support for Ethernet switching


Hi all,

I have few questions related to the draft on GMPLS support for
Ethernet switching by D.Papadimitriou et al.:

i) The draft discusses that connection oriented ethernet is suitable
for metro and core networks where ethernet is used for transport. I am
not too clear on the architecture in which ethernet LSPs would be
used. Are we considering point to point type ethernet connections
between switches/routers  i.e. where the bandwidth is not shared.
Example: Two peer routers connected through an ethernet interface, so
effectively complete bandwidth is available.

Or are we talking about multiple switches in a GMPLS enabled cloud
that are part of the SAME LAN and  bandwidth  is shared. I am not sure
how  bandwidth reservations would be done in this sceneario.


ii) Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems that the traffic
engineering benefits of GMPLS support for Ethernet are also available
in Ethernet over MPLS. (I am considering that connection oriented
Ethernet is used in metro/core networks only). However, by providing
GMPLS support for Ethernet we are able to do away with IP/MPLS layer
and thus we can have an all Ethernet network (with only ethernet
switches). Is this the primary reason for using GMPLS support for
Ethernet rather than Ethernet over MPLS? Can someone comment on this?

iii) The draft discusses various options for ethernet label, all of
which seem to require modification in the forwarding plane of
Ethernet? Is this something that can implemented easily i.e. change in
forwarding plane? Why can't we consider MAC address or VLAN tag as the
label?

Thanks in advance,
Fahad








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Hi all,

I have few questions related to the draft on GMPLS support for
Ethernet switching by D.Papadimitriou et al.:

i) The draft discusses that connection oriented ethernet is suitable
for metro and core networks where ethernet is used for transport. I am
not too clear on the architecture in which ethernet LSPs would be
used. Are we considering point to point type ethernet connections
between switches/routers  i.e. where the bandwidth is not shared.
Example: Two peer routers connected through an ethernet interface, so
effectively complete bandwidth is available.

Or are we talking about multiple switches in a GMPLS enabled cloud
that are part of the SAME LAN and  bandwidth  is shared. I am not sure
how  bandwidth reservations would be done in this sceneario.


ii) Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems that the traffic
engineering benefits of GMPLS support for Ethernet are also available
in Ethernet over MPLS. (I am considering that connection oriented
Ethernet is used in metro/core networks only). However, by providing
GMPLS support for Ethernet we are able to do away with IP/MPLS layer
and thus we can have an all Ethernet network (with only ethernet
switches). Is this the primary reason for using GMPLS support for
Ethernet rather than Ethernet over MPLS? Can someone comment on this?

iii) The draft discusses various options for ethernet label, all of
which seem to require modification in the forwarding plane of
Ethernet? Is this something that can implemented easily i.e. change in
forwarding plane? Why can't we consider MAC address or VLAN tag as the
label?

Thanks in advance,
Fahad



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Hi JP, Richard
=20
Please see inline,


________________________________

	De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com]=20
	Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 avril 2006 14:52
	=C0 : Rich Bradford
	Cc : ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
	Objet : Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for =
the CPSID.
=09
=09
	Hi,=20

	Thanks for the summary Rich.

	PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
	(1) You think that there is a need for such solution,=20
	=20
	Yes definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an =
inter-provider context.
	=20
	(2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)=20
	=20
	(3) You think that there is a need for both=20
	=20
	Answer to (2) and (3):
	It seems to me that we should end-up with a single solution so as to =
ease interworking.
=09
	IMO in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the paths will be =
loose anyway, so there will not be any confidentiality issue.=20
	If have some concerns regarding the cost of encryption, particularly =
for large paths (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a =
large number of hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really =
vulnerable to DoS attacks.
	Hence I would strongly favor the PKS solution. The optimization =
suggested, which consists of sending the computed path segment to the =
LSR in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation, sounds =
relevant and should be further investigated.
	=20
	Best Regards,
	=20
	JL
	=20
	=20
	=20
=09
=09
	Thanks.

	JP.

	On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:


		Hi,

		As suggested in Dallas, I've described some of the tradeoffs between =
the two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.

		-- Rich

	=09

		The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different but =
equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution and the =
Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines a number of =
the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.=20

	=09

		In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by =
saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During =
the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.

		The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting it, =
which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the LSP setup, =
the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to obtain the =
expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).=20

	=09

		The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =
control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, (3) =
the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =
applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the size =
of objects added to existing messages.

	=09

		(1) Additional Control Message Overhead:

		The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =
receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated the =
Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must =
request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional message =
exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does =
not require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS solution but no additional delay for the PRS solution.

	=09

	=09

		(2) PCE and LSR Performance:

		The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys adding =
overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the encryption of the CPS =
in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the LSR, which could be CPU =
intensive. Note that in case of a burst of requests, encryption of large =
number of CPS may have an impact on the PCE response time.

	=09

		(3) Addition of State in the PCE:

		The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =
maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =
additional state.

	=09

	=09

		(4) Solution Scope:

		The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE to =
encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct solution =
without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working in the case =
where A's network straddles B's network and where A wants to use an ERO =
for a segment of the LSP across the intervening network, e.g. =
(netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to record a CPS =
even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses multiple =
boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return actual =
failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure =
location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which can be very misleading.

	=09

		(5) Message Object Overhead:

		The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =
path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be returned by =
the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH message. A PRS which =
contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the unencrypted =
PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if it is desirable =
to hide the number of hops within the network from external view by =
padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =
messages for the PRS solution.

	=09

	=09

		Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =
Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =
implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could choose =
to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, shifting the =
burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the =
performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be performed =
for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might =
be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two solutions.

	=09

	=09

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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
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  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>De&nbsp;:</B> JP Vasseur=20
  [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com] <BR><B>Envoy=E9&nbsp;:</B> jeudi 6 avril =
2006=20
  14:52<BR><B>=C0&nbsp;:</B> Rich Bradford<BR><B>Cc&nbsp;:</B> =
ccamp@ops.ietf.org;=20
  pce@ietf.org<BR><B>Objet&nbsp;:</B> Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption =
vs.=20
  Path Key Solutions for the CPSID.<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Hi,
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks for the summary Rich.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: =
pre"></SPAN>(1) You think=20
  that there is a need for such solution,<SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Yes=20
  definitely, confidentiality is a key requirements in an inter-provider =

  context.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: =
pre"></SPAN>(2) You would=20
  prefer one solution (which one and why ?)<SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-tab-span style=3D"WHITE-SPACE: =
pre"></SPAN>(3) You think=20
  that there is a need for both<SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT=20
  face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Answer to (2) and=20
  (3):</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN =
class=3D114480516-21042006><SPAN=20
  class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>It seems to me=20
  that we should end-up with a single solution so as to&nbsp;ease=20
  interworking.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>IMO&nbsp;in an inter-AS MPLS-TE environment without PCEs, the =
paths=20
  will be loose anyway,&nbsp;so there&nbsp;will not be&nbsp;any =
confidentiality=20
  issue. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006></SPAN><SPAN=20
  class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>If have some=20
  concerns&nbsp;regarding the cost of encryption, particularly for large =
paths=20
  (we need to think about future P2MP applications with a large number =
of=20
  hops...). By the way, encryption approaches are really vulnerable to =
DoS=20
  attacks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Hence I&nbsp;would strongly favor the PKS solution. The =
optimization=20
  suggested,&nbsp;which consists of sending the computed path segment to =
the LSR=20
  in an unsolicited manner, just after the computation,&nbsp;sounds =
relevant and=20
  should be further investigated.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Best=20
  Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>JL</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D114480516-21042006>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT><BR=20
  class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>JP.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) =
wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE name=3D"City"=20
    =
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    <DIV class=3DSection1>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hi,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As suggested in <ST1:CITY =
w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE=20
    w:st=3D"on">Dallas</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, I=92ve described some of =
the=20
    tradeoffs between the two solutions described in=20
    =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT=
></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-- Rich<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID =
provides two=20
    very different but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject =
(PKS)=20
    solution and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note =
examines=20
    a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.=20
    <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to =
hide the=20
    CPS for an AS by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key =
in the=20
    ERO. During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query =
the PCE=20
    for an expansion.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to =
be hidden=20
    by encrypting it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. =
During=20
    the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key =
to=20
    obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or =
configuration).=20
    <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The major differences between the =
mechanisms involve=20
    (1) additional control messages, (2) performance issues expanding =
those=20
    objects, (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution =
scope (i.e.=20
    applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =
size of=20
    objects added to existing messages.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(1) Additional Control Message=20
    Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution requires a mechanism to =
expand the=20
    Path Key upon receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which=20
    calculated the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, =
the LSR=20
    must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =
message=20
    exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution =
does not=20
    require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every=20
    LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is=20
    changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS=20
    solution but no additional delay for the PRS=20
    solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(2) PCE and LSR=20
    Performance:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution must maintain a =
(temporary)=20
    database of keys adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution =
requires the=20
    encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =
LSR, which=20
    could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of requests, =
encryption=20
    of large number of CPS may have an impact on the PCE response=20
    time.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(3) Addition of State in the=20
    PCE:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution requires the addition of=20
    path-specific state and maintenance of a database in the PCE. The =
PRS=20
    solution requires no additional state.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(4) Solution =
Scope:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS and PRS solutions both work well =
in=20
    conjunction with a PCE to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS =

    provides no direct solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS =
solution=20
    for working in the case where A's network straddles B's network and =
where A=20
    wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =
network,=20
    e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be used to =
record a=20
    CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned RRO) crosses =
multiple=20
    boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be adapted to return =
actual=20
    failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, while keeping the =
failure=20
    location confidential from LSRs without a decryption key. Currently =
privacy=20
    of this source is maintained by returning the address of border =
nodes, which=20
    can be very misleading.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(5) Message Object=20
    Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The PKS solution provides a very compact =
key or=20
    token to identify a path segment, which generally allows for smaller =
EROs to=20
    be returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =
message. A=20
    PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as large as the=20
    unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger if =
it is=20
    desirable to hide the number of hops within the network from =
external view=20
    by padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) =

    messages for the PRS solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Please note that the tradeoffs listed here =
are for=20
    the current I-D. Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be=20
    mitigated by implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a =
PCE could=20
    choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =
shifting the=20
    burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and eliminating the=20
    performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange could be =
performed for=20
    the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate key exchange. =
These=20
    examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the ID, but might be =
useful=20
    when weighing the pros and cons of the two=20
    solutions.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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	Cool. I have updated this based on your review of
the GMPLS LSR MIB yesterday.

	--Tom

> Tom and Adrian,
>
> One minor comments, which is the
> expiration date in the header needs
> updating.  Otherwise, this document
> looks good.
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> -Joan



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Subject: MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-tc-mib-10.txt
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Tom and Adrian,

One minor comments, which is the
expiration date in the header needs
updating.  Otherwise, this document 
looks good.

-Joan



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Hello Tom and Adrian,

Here are a few comments on
draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-te-mib-14.txt.
Thank you for the great updates.

Thanks,
-Joan


Compiles with both smicngPRO and smilint.

1) There is a disconnect in the numbers under the
under gmplsTeGroup, was this intentional, if so,
please explain, otherwise, please correct it.

1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1  gmplsTeGroups  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
oid-value-assignment
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.1  gmplsTunnelGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
object-group
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.2  gmplsTunnelSignaledGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
object-group
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.3  gmplsTunnelScalarGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
object-group
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.6  gmplsTunnelOptionalGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
object-group
1.3.6.1.2.1.10.166.555.3.1.7  gmplsTeNotificationGroup  [GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB]:
notification-group


2) Expiration date in the page header is incorrect
Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 1]


3) 1.1. Migration Strategy
   "The gmplsTunnelLSPEncoding may be set to tunnelLspNotGmpls to allow an
   MPLS-TE LSP tunnel to benefit from the additional objects and tables
   of GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB without supporting the GMPLS protocols.

Think you mean, GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB in the latter part of the above sentence.


4) 1.1. Migration Strategy
   "Textual conventions are defined in [RFC3811] and [GMPLSTCMIB]."

There aren't any TCs from GMPLSTCMIB, but there are
from the IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB, so perhaps adding IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB to this
statement would be appropriate.


5) (NIT) 2. Terminology

   "These segment and cross-connect objects are defined in the MPLS Label
   Switch Router MIB (MPLS-LSR-STD-MIB) [RFC3813], but see also the
   GMPLS Label Switch Router MIB (GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB) [GMPLSLSRMIB] for..."

Please be sure to use "Label Switching Router" (and not Label Switch
Router).


6) Typos:
       gmplsTunnelLinkProtection

          This glag is set to indicate that the LSP should not use any
          link layer protection.

s/glag/flag

        shared
          This flage is set to indicate that a shared link layer

s/flage/flag



7)    gmplsTunnelErrorEntry OBJECT-TYPE


The use of the term "discontinuity" implies that the counters
suffered a discontinuity,but the situation you are describing is
that another error occurred.  Please rephrase this to something
like:

"Note that systems which read the objects in this table one at
a time should read gmplsTunnelErrorLastTime prior to the first
object and after reading the last object of this table to
ensure that no additional errors occurred."



8) gmplsTunnelUnnumIf does not appear in the
ReadOnly Conformance.

9) I am still unclear about what objects can be supported within
MPLS only.  Was expecting to see this clarified in the conformance
statements.  There does seem to be more of a division here than
in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB.

Could some clarification be made to this point?

10)  IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB

Would remove parts of the DESCRIPTION clauses which
refer to the GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB module.  The reason is
that these TCs may eventually be used in other MIB modules
and since this particular module will be controlled by
IANA, these sort of statements don't appear in IANA
MIB Modules as far as I know.

            "This data type is used as the syntax of the
             gmplsTunnelLSPEncoding object in the definition of
             GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."

            "This data type is used as the syntax of the
             gmplsTunnelSwitchingType object in the definition of
             GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."

            "This data type is used as the syntax of the
             gmplsTunnelGPid object in the definition of
             GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."

            "This data type is used as the syntax of the
             gmplsTunnelAdminStatusFlags object in the definition of
             GMPLS-TE-STD-MIB's gmplsTunnelTable."


-- the end --





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Replies inline.

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas D. Nadeau <tnadeau@cisco.com>
To: Cucchiara Joan <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>
Cc: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>; Wijnen Bert
<bwijnen@lucent.com>; Dan Romascanu (E-mail) <dromasca@avaya.com>; Kireeti
Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net>
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Subject: Re: MIB Dr. Review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-12.txt


>
> Thanks again. Really just 2 quick questions below
> for clarification and we can ship this one.
>
> --Tom
>
> >
> > Tom and Adrian,
> >
> > Thanks for the great update.  A few minor comments.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >   Joan
> >
> >
> > *Compiles cleanly with smicngPRO and smilint.
>
> Yes!
>
> > 1)  The expiration Date which appears as a page
> > header is incorrect:
> >
> > Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 2]
>
> Fixed.
>
> > 2) gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps OBJECT-TYPE
> >
> >      REFERENCE
> >        "1. Generalized MPLS Signaling - CR-LDP Extensions, RFC 3472.
> >         2. Generalized MPLS Signaling - RSVP-TE Extensions, RFC 3473."
> >      DEFVAL { { rsvpGmpls } }
> >
> > The above references have updates (e.g. see ccamp Charter page)
> > and so think these updating RFCs should also be included
> > here and in the Normative Reference section:
> >
> > RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
> > RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420
> >
> > Please be sure to update these RFCs in other REFERENCE
> > clauses also.
>
> Fixed remainder in this module and in the gmpls-te mib
> too.  There were no references in the tc mib.
>
> > 3) The DESCRIPTION clause of gmplsInterfaceEntry
> > says"...A conceptual row in this table may also be created via SNMP
> >         SET commands or automatically by the LSR to supplement a
> >         conceptual row in the mplsInterfaceTable where the interface
> >         is not capable of GMPLS but where the other objects carried
> >         in this row provide useful additional information for an
> >         MPLS interface."
> >
> > As I mentioned previously, I think you need to call out
> > these MPLS objects (i.e. the objects which do not require
> > GMPLS but are in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB module)
> > in a separate conformance group, but as I look at this
> > MIB, it appears that all the objects seem to apply to
> > MPLS, if this is accurate, then please update the
> > DESCRIPTION clauses of the ALL conformance groups to
> > indicate that these objects also apply to MPLS.
> >
> > As an example:
> >
> >    gmplsInterfaceGroup OBJECT-GROUP
> >      OBJECTS {
> >        gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps,
> >        gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod
> >      }
> >      STATUS  current
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Collection of objects needed for GMPLS interface configuration
> >         and performance information."
> >    ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 1 }
> >
> > Should be changed to:
> >
> > "Collection of objects which provide additional information for
> > an MPLS interface and are needed for GMPLS interface configuration
> > and performance information."
>
> Yes, they are all required. So do you think this statement
> that calls out all objects is sufficient?  A similar change then
> can be made for the in/out-segment tables:
>

Yes,  adding these statements is sufficient, because it now
clarifies that all these objects apply to MPLS.

As we discussed early in the review process, believe that
email needs to be sent to the MPLS working group to
notify them of these objects since they apply to MPLS also.
I realize email was sent to MPLS wg on earlier versions but
would be good notify the MPLS wg again so they can see
the final version of these MIB docs.


>     gmplsInSegmentGroup  OBJECT-GROUP
>       OBJECTS {
>         gmplsInSegmentDirection,
>         gmplsInSegmentExtraParamsPtr
>       }
>       STATUS  current
>       DESCRIPTION
>         "Collection of objects which provide additional
>          information for an MPLS in-segment and are needed
>          for GMPLS in-segment configuration and performance
>          information."
>     ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 2 }
>
>     gmplsOutSegmentGroup  OBJECT-GROUP
>       OBJECTS {
>         gmplsOutSegmentDirection,
>         gmplsOutSegmentTTLDecrement,
>         gmplsOutSegmentExtraParamsPtr
>       }
>       STATUS  current
>       DESCRIPTION
>         "Collection of objects which provide additional
>          information for an MPLS out-segment and are needed
>          for GMPLS out-segment configuration and performance
>          information."
>     ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 3 }
>
>
> > 4) Typo:
> >
> >    gmplsLsrModuleReadOnlyCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE
> >      STATUS current
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Compliance requirement for implementations that only provide
> >         read-only support for GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB. Such devices can then
> >         be monitored but cannot be configured using this MIB modules."
> >
> > Last part of the last sentence:
> >
> > "...configured using this MIB module."
>
> Got it.
>
> > 5) GMPLS-LABEL-STD-MIB
> >
> > DESCRIPTION:
> >        "...
> >         This MIB module contains managed object definitions for labels
> >         within GMPLS systems as defined in:
> >         Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling
> >         Functional Description, Berger, L. (Editor), RFC 3471,
> >         January 2003."
> >
> >
> > RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
> >
> > Please add these other RFCs and be sure to add them
> > to the Normative Reference Section.
>
> Done.
>
> > 6) Typo:
> >
> > gmplsLabelTable
> > DESCRIPTION:
> >
> > "... Labels in the tables in other MIB modules may be referred
> >      to using row pointer into this table."
> >
> > Should be "using a row pointer"
> >
> > 7) Typo:
> >
> > gmplsLabelTable
> > DESCRIPTION:
> >
> >
> >   "...a set of resources in the data plane. Practial examples are"
> >
> > s/Practial/Practical
>
>
> Done.
>
> > 8) ReadOnly Compliance:
> >
> >      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
> >      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1) }
> >      MIN-ACCESS   read-only
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Support for notInService, createAndWait and notReady is not
> >         required."
> >
> >
> > Would change the DESCRIPTION to:
> >        "Write access is not required, and active is the only status
> > that
> >        needs to be supported."
>
> One minor change:
>
>         "Write access is not required, and active(1) is
>          the only status that needs to be supported."
>
> > 9) Full Compliance:
> >
> >      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
> >      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
> >      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
> >                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."
> >
> >
> > Would remove this.
>
> The description or the entire object?

The entire object.  If you allow createAndWait and notReady
then there is no need to special case this object in the conformance
statements.

Thanks,
  -Joan


>
> > Based on the
> > gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
> > believe you should allow createAndWait and also
> > Agent could/should be able to report notReady.
> >
> >
> > 10) NIT:
> >
> > Would remove the (for example, wavelength labels) because
> > I was expecting to see the example carried though and list
> > the groups for wavelength labels.
> >
> >
> > Also, need to add gmplsLabelWavebandGroup to the
> > list of groups.
> >
> > Updates appear below:
> >
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >        "Necessary, but not sufficient, set of objects to implement
> > label
> >         table support. In addition, depending on the type of labels
> >         supported, the following other
> >         groups defined below are mandatory:
> >           gmplsLabelPacketGroup and/or
> >           gmplsLabelPortWavelengthGroup and/or
> >           gmplsLabelFreeformGroup and/or
> >           gmplsLabelSonetSdhGroup and/or
> >           gmplsLabelWavebandGroup."
> >
>
> OK.
>
> > 11) Just a reminder to update Normative References
> > as discussed above:
> > RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
> > RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
> > RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420
> >
> > end.
>
> Done.
>
> --Tom
>




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Subject: Re: MIB Dr. Review for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-lsr-mib-12.txt
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To: Cucchiara Joan <jcucchiara@mindspring.com>

	Thanks again. Really just 2 quick questions below
for clarification and we can ship this one.

	--Tom

>
> Tom and Adrian,
>
> Thanks for the great update.  A few minor comments.
>
> Thanks,
>   Joan
>
>
> *Compiles cleanly with smicngPRO and smilint.

	Yes!

> 1)  The expiration Date which appears as a page
> header is incorrect:
>
> Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 2]

	Fixed.

> 2) gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps OBJECT-TYPE
>
>      REFERENCE
>        "1. Generalized MPLS Signaling - CR-LDP Extensions, RFC 3472.
>         2. Generalized MPLS Signaling - RSVP-TE Extensions, RFC 3473."
>      DEFVAL { { rsvpGmpls } }
>
> The above references have updates (e.g. see ccamp Charter page)
> and so think these updating RFCs should also be included
> here and in the Normative Reference section:
>
> RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
> RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420
>
> Please be sure to update these RFCs in other REFERENCE
> clauses also.

	Fixed remainder in this module and in the gmpls-te mib
too.  There were no references in the tc mib.

> 3) The DESCRIPTION clause of gmplsInterfaceEntry
> says"...A conceptual row in this table may also be created via SNMP
>         SET commands or automatically by the LSR to supplement a
>         conceptual row in the mplsInterfaceTable where the interface
>         is not capable of GMPLS but where the other objects carried
>         in this row provide useful additional information for an
>         MPLS interface."
>
> As I mentioned previously, I think you need to call out
> these MPLS objects (i.e. the objects which do not require
> GMPLS but are in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB module)
> in a separate conformance group, but as I look at this
> MIB, it appears that all the objects seem to apply to
> MPLS, if this is accurate, then please update the
> DESCRIPTION clauses of the ALL conformance groups to
> indicate that these objects also apply to MPLS.
>
> As an example:
>
>    gmplsInterfaceGroup OBJECT-GROUP
>      OBJECTS {
>        gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps,
>        gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod
>      }
>      STATUS  current
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Collection of objects needed for GMPLS interface configuration
>         and performance information."
>    ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 1 }
>
> Should be changed to:
>
> "Collection of objects which provide additional information for
> an MPLS interface and are needed for GMPLS interface configuration
> and performance information."

	Yes, they are all required. So do you think this statement
that calls out all objects is sufficient?  A similar change then
can be made for the in/out-segment tables:

    gmplsInSegmentGroup  OBJECT-GROUP
      OBJECTS {
        gmplsInSegmentDirection,
        gmplsInSegmentExtraParamsPtr
      }
      STATUS  current
      DESCRIPTION
        "Collection of objects which provide additional
         information for an MPLS in-segment and are needed
         for GMPLS in-segment configuration and performance
         information."
    ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 2 }

    gmplsOutSegmentGroup  OBJECT-GROUP
      OBJECTS {
        gmplsOutSegmentDirection,
        gmplsOutSegmentTTLDecrement,
        gmplsOutSegmentExtraParamsPtr
      }
      STATUS  current
      DESCRIPTION
        "Collection of objects which provide additional
         information for an MPLS out-segment and are needed
         for GMPLS out-segment configuration and performance
         information."
    ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 3 }


> 4) Typo:
>
>    gmplsLsrModuleReadOnlyCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE
>      STATUS current
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Compliance requirement for implementations that only provide
>         read-only support for GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB. Such devices can then
>         be monitored but cannot be configured using this MIB modules."
>
> Last part of the last sentence:
>
> "...configured using this MIB module."

	Got it.

> 5) GMPLS-LABEL-STD-MIB
>
> DESCRIPTION:
>        "...
>         This MIB module contains managed object definitions for labels
>         within GMPLS systems as defined in:
>         Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling
>         Functional Description, Berger, L. (Editor), RFC 3471,
>         January 2003."
>
>
> RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
>
> Please add these other RFCs and be sure to add them
> to the Normative Reference Section.

	Done.

> 6) Typo:
>
> gmplsLabelTable
> DESCRIPTION:
>
> "... Labels in the tables in other MIB modules may be referred
>      to using row pointer into this table."
>
> Should be "using a row pointer"
>
> 7) Typo:
>
> gmplsLabelTable
> DESCRIPTION:
>
>
>   "...a set of resources in the data plane. Practial examples are"
>
> s/Practial/Practical


	Done.

> 8) ReadOnly Compliance:
>
>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1) }
>      MIN-ACCESS   read-only
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Support for notInService, createAndWait and notReady is not
>         required."
>
>
> Would change the DESCRIPTION to:
>        "Write access is not required, and active is the only status  
> that
>        needs to be supported."

	One minor change:

        "Write access is not required, and active(1) is
         the only status that needs to be supported."

> 9) Full Compliance:
>
>      OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
>      SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
>      WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
>                               createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."
>
>
> Would remove this.

	The description or the entire object?

> Based on the
> gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
> believe you should allow createAndWait and also
> Agent could/should be able to report notReady.
>
>
> 10) NIT:
>
> Would remove the (for example, wavelength labels) because
> I was expecting to see the example carried though and list
> the groups for wavelength labels.
>
>
> Also, need to add gmplsLabelWavebandGroup to the
> list of groups.
>
> Updates appear below:
>
>      DESCRIPTION
>        "Necessary, but not sufficient, set of objects to implement  
> label
>         table support. In addition, depending on the type of labels
>         supported, the following other
>         groups defined below are mandatory:
>           gmplsLabelPacketGroup and/or
>           gmplsLabelPortWavelengthGroup and/or
>           gmplsLabelFreeformGroup and/or
>           gmplsLabelSonetSdhGroup and/or
>           gmplsLabelWavebandGroup."
>

	OK.

> 11) Just a reminder to update Normative References
> as discussed above:
> RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
> RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
> RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420
>
> end.

	Done.

	--Tom



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Subject: Last Call: 'Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)  Extensions for Synchronous Optical Network (SONET) and Synchronous  Digital Hierarchy (SDH) Control' to Proposed Standard  (draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc3946bis) 
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The IESG has received a request from the Common Control and Measurement Plane 
WG to consider the following document:

- 'Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Extensions for 
   Synchronous Optical Network (SONET) and Synchronous Digital Hierarchy (SDH) 
   Control '
   <draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc3946bis-01.txt> as a Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action.  Please send any comments to the
iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2006-05-04.

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Tom and Adrian,

Thanks for the great update.  A few minor comments.

Thanks, 
  Joan


*Compiles cleanly with smicngPRO and smilint.


1)  The expiration Date which appears as a page
header is incorrect:

Nadeau and Farrel             Expires April 2006             [Page 2]


2) gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps OBJECT-TYPE

     REFERENCE
       "1. Generalized MPLS Signaling - CR-LDP Extensions, RFC 3472.
        2. Generalized MPLS Signaling - RSVP-TE Extensions, RFC 3473."
     DEFVAL { { rsvpGmpls } }

The above references have updates (e.g. see ccamp Charter page)
and so think these updating RFCs should also be included
here and in the Normative Reference section:

RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420

Please be sure to update these RFCs in other REFERENCE
clauses also.


3) The DESCRIPTION clause of gmplsInterfaceEntry
says"...A conceptual row in this table may also be created via SNMP
        SET commands or automatically by the LSR to supplement a
        conceptual row in the mplsInterfaceTable where the interface
        is not capable of GMPLS but where the other objects carried
        in this row provide useful additional information for an
        MPLS interface."

As I mentioned previously, I think you need to call out
these MPLS objects (i.e. the objects which do not require
GMPLS but are in the GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB module)
in a separate conformance group, but as I look at this
MIB, it appears that all the objects seem to apply to 
MPLS, if this is accurate, then please update the
DESCRIPTION clauses of the ALL conformance groups to
indicate that these objects also apply to MPLS.

As an example:

   gmplsInterfaceGroup OBJECT-GROUP
     OBJECTS {
       gmplsInterfaceSignalingCaps,
       gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod
     }
     STATUS  current
     DESCRIPTION
       "Collection of objects needed for GMPLS interface configuration
        and performance information."
   ::= { gmplsLsrGroups 1 }

Should be changed to:

"Collection of objects which provide additional information for
an MPLS interface and are needed for GMPLS interface configuration
and performance information."


4) Typo:

   gmplsLsrModuleReadOnlyCompliance MODULE-COMPLIANCE
     STATUS current
     DESCRIPTION
       "Compliance requirement for implementations that only provide
        read-only support for GMPLS-LSR-STD-MIB. Such devices can then
        be monitored but cannot be configured using this MIB modules."

Last part of the last sentence:

"...configured using this MIB module."


5) GMPLS-LABEL-STD-MIB

DESCRIPTION:
       "...
        This MIB module contains managed object definitions for labels
        within GMPLS systems as defined in:
        Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling
        Functional Description, Berger, L. (Editor), RFC 3471,
        January 2003."


RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328

Please add these other RFCs and be sure to add them
to the Normative Reference Section. 


6) Typo:

gmplsLabelTable
DESCRIPTION:

"... Labels in the tables in other MIB modules may be referred
     to using row pointer into this table."

Should be "using a row pointer"

7) Typo:

gmplsLabelTable
DESCRIPTION:


  "...a set of resources in the data plane. Practial examples are"

s/Practial/Practical


8) ReadOnly Compliance:

     OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
     SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1) }
     MIN-ACCESS   read-only
     DESCRIPTION
       "Support for notInService, createAndWait and notReady is not
        required."


Would change the DESCRIPTION to:
       "Write access is not required, and active is the only status that
       needs to be supported."


9) Full Compliance:

     OBJECT       gmplsLabelRowStatus
     SYNTAX       RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2) }
     WRITE-SYNTAX RowStatus { active(1), notInService(2),
                              createAndGo(4), destroy(6) }
     DESCRIPTION
       "Support for createAndWait and notReady is not required."


Would remove this.  Based on the 
gmplsLabelRowStatus object's DESCRIPTION
believe you should allow createAndWait and also
Agent could/should be able to report notReady.


10) NIT: 

Would remove the (for example, wavelength labels) because
I was expecting to see the example carried though and list
the groups for wavelength labels.


Also, need to add gmplsLabelWavebandGroup to the
list of groups.

Updates appear below:

     DESCRIPTION
       "Necessary, but not sufficient, set of objects to implement label
        table support. In addition, depending on the type of labels
        supported, the following other
        groups defined below are mandatory:
          gmplsLabelPacketGroup and/or
          gmplsLabelPortWavelengthGroup and/or
          gmplsLabelFreeformGroup and/or
          gmplsLabelSonetSdhGroup and/or
          gmplsLabelWavebandGroup."



11) Just a reminder to update Normative References
as discussed above:
RFC 3471 is updated by RFC 4201,RFC 4328
RFC 3472 is updated by RFC 4201
RFC 3473 is  updated by RFC 4003,RFC 4201, and RFC 4420

end.



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Hi,

Good advice from the IESG on how to classify your references in I-Ds.

Adrian
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Working Group(s),

(after agreement with the ccamp co-chairs this is sent to the
ccamp list also)

after discussion with representatives for SG15 and Q12/15 we've
some tentative procedure to get our comments on Transport-MPLS
into the ITU process.

EoB today (Tuesday April 18th) we will give them a list of areas
where we have concerns (copy to the mpls mailing list).
"End of Business day" will be understood as 11.59PM here
in Stockholm (corresponds to approx. 6PM in Boston).

We will abstract the list from comments sent to the mpls mailling
list.

On Friday (April 21st) we will send them a more consolidated list,
they have a meeting in Kobe the following week.

However, the formal working group comments will be sent to them
May 17th.

Please send (furthher) comments on

G.8110.1 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file288.zip)
G.8112 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file289.zip)
G.8121 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file290.zip)

to the mpls working group mailing list.

/Loa and George
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	Title		: Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) RSVP-TE Signaling Extensions in support of Calls
	Author(s)	: D. Papadimitriou, A. Farrel
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
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In certain networking topologies it may be advantageous to maintain
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Hi,

As originators of the GMPLS extensions for OSPF (RFC4203) the CCAMP
working group has a responsibility to develop a MIB module for the
management and modelling of these extensions. At the same time, we
observed that there is currently no MIB module for the TE extensions
described in RFC3630.

We have started a work item in draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-00.txt to
provide this support and we would welcome ongoing review and input from
the OSPF working group. Comments on the CCAMP mailing list or direct to
the authors or chairs.

If there is a strong feeling that the work should be in the OSPF working
group we are open to negotiation. In particular, I notice that
draft-ietf-ospf-mib-update-10.txt is still in progress,

Thanks,
Adrian




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Hi,

The three recent updates posted by Tom complete (we believe) the revisions
from MIB Doctor review. the changes were many, but completely editorial.

You may want to have a skim to see what you think, but we do not see the
need for a further WG last call.

Thanks,
Adrian




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	Title		: Extensions to the OSPF Management Information Base in support of GMPLS 
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Hi,

Minutes from Dallas are at
http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06mar/minutes/ccamp.html

Please review and comment.

Adrian




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To: ITU-T Study Group 15
       Greg Jones greg.jones@itu.int

Cc: IETF statements@ietf.org
       Stephen Trowbridge sjtrowbridge@lucent.com
       Ghani Abbas Ghani.Abbas@marconi.com
       Mark Jones mark.jones@sprint.com
       Malcolm Betts betts01@nortel.com
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       Bill Fenner fenner@research.att.com
       Scott Bradner sob@harvard.edu
       George Swallow swallow@cisco.com
       MPLS mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org
       CCAMP mailing list ccamp@ops.ietf.org

From: IETF MPLS Working Group

Response contact: Loa Andersson loa@pi.se

Technical contact: Loa Andersson loa@pi.se

Purpose: Response

Subject: Response to your liaison on T-MPLS Consented Recommendations

Thank you for liaising G.8110.1, G.8112 and G.8121 on April 2, and
requesting a response by April 17.

It will not be possible for the MPLS Working Group to do a comprehensive
review in this short time. Our mode of operation normally gives a two week
period to review (working group last call) for well-known and
well-discussed documents. Since this topic is mostly new to the working
group, it is our estimate that we will need a four week period.

We, therefore, intend to send our comments to SG15 by May 17.

  We sincerely hope that it will be possible for you to accommodate this
late response, and take our comments into your process.

Loa Andersson and George Swallow
IETF MPLS Working Group Co-Chairs

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A couple of quick comment to the T-MPLS specs.

G.8110.1

"Bidirectional LSPs are supported by associating two unidirectional LSPs in
the data plane"

[dc] This sentence seems to exclude the possibility to have a simmetric
bi-directional LSP.  If GMPLS is used as a control plane for T-MPLS should
be good to include the possibility to have simmetric bidirectional LSPs
given that GMPLS support the set-up of that kind of circuits.  Moreover
having a single 5-tuple identifiyng a bidirectional LSP simplify the
maintenence of bi-dicectional circuits.



"Both global and per interface label space are supported"

[dc] RFC 3031 defines the two kind of label scope as:

1      per-interface label space

2      per-platform label space.

I think that the definition of 3031 should be also used in G.8110.1, given
that the term global is misleading.



Regards


Diego





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From: Adrian Farrel(IETF CCAMP WG) <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Subject: New Liaison Statement, "Recently published IETF RFCs relevant to  GMPLS, Optical Transport Networks, and Packet Transport Networks" 
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:29:59 -0400

Title: Recently published IETF RFCs relevant to GMPLS, Optical Transport Networks, and Packet Transport Networks
Submission Date: 2006-04-12
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=213 

From: Adrian Farrel(IETF CCAMP WG) <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: ITU-T SG15(Greg Jones <greg.jones@itu.int>)
Cc: Kam Lam <hklam@lucent.com>
Malcolm Betts <betts01@nortel.com>
Stephen Trowbridge <sjtrowbridge@lucent.com>
Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>
Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>
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Reponse Contact: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Technical Contact: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Purpose: For information 
Body: Recently published IETF RFCs relevant to GMPLS, Optical Transport Networks, and Packet Transport Networks

The IETF's CCAMP working group is pleased to inform Study Group 15 of the ITU-T of the publication of several new RFCs that are relevant to the work that you are doing with optical and packet transport networks. Several of these RFCs received useful review and input from Study Group 15 participants for which CCAMP would like to express its thanks.


RFC 4257
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4257.txt
Title
   Framework for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label 
   Switching (GMPLS)-based Control of Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy/Synchronous Optical Networking (SDH/SONET) Networks
Abstract
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) is a suite of
   protocol extensions to MPLS to make it generally applicable, to
   include, for example, control of non packet-based switching, and
   particularly, optical switching.  One consideration is to use GMPLS
   protocols to upgrade the control plane of optical transport networks.
   This document illustrates this process by describing those extensions
   to GMPLS protocols that are aimed at controlling Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) or Synchronous Optical Networking (SONET) networks.
   SDH/SONET networks make good examples of this process for a variety
   of reasons.  This document highlights extensions to GMPLS-related
   routing protocols to disseminate information needed in transport path
   computation and network operations, together with (G)MPLS protocol
   extensions required for the provisioning of transport circuits.  New
   capabilities that an GMPLS control plane would bring to SDH/SONET
   networks, such as new restoration methods and multi-layer circuit
   establishment, are also discussed.

RFC 4258
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt
Title
   Requirements for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Routing for the Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
Abstract
   The Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) suite of
   protocols has been defined to control different switching
   technologies as well as different applications.  These include
   support for requesting Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) connections
   including Synchronous Optical Network (SONET)/Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs).

   This document concentrates on the routing requirements placed on the
   GMPLS suite of protocols in order to support the capabilities and
   functionalities of an Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
   as defined by the ITU-T.

RFC 4327
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4327.txt
Title
   Link Management Protocol (LMP) Management Information Base (MIB)
Abstract
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects for modeling the Link
   Management Protocol (LMP).

RFC 4328
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4328.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Signaling Extensions for G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control
Abstract
   This document is a companion to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS) signaling documents.  It describes the technology-
   specific information needed to extend GMPLS signaling to control
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN); it also includes the so-called
   pre-OTN developments.

RFC 4394
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4394.txt
Title
   A Transport Network View of the Link Management Protocol (LMP)
Abstract
   The Link Management Protocol (LMP) has been developed as part of the
   Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) protocol suite to manage Traffic Engineering
   (TE) resources and links.  The GMPLS control plane (routing and
   signaling) uses TE links for establishing Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs).  This memo describes the relationship of the LMP procedures
   to 'discovery' as defined in the International Telecommunication
   Union (ITU-T), and ongoing ITU-T work.  This document provides an
   overview of LMP in the context of the ITU-T Automatically Switched
   Optical Networks (ASON) and transport network terminology and relates
   it to the ITU-T discovery work to promote a common understanding for
   progressing the work of IETF and ITU-T.

RFC 4397
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4397.txt
Title
   A Lexicography for the Interpretation of Generalized Multiprotocol
   Label Switching (GMPLS) Terminology within the Context of the
   ITU-T's Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) Architecture
Abstract
   Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) has been developed
   by the IETF to facilitate the establishment of Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs) in a variety of data plane technologies and across several
   architectural models.  The ITU-T has specified an architecture for
   the control of Automatically Switched Optical Networks (ASON).

   This document provides a lexicography for the interpretation of GMPLS
   terminology within the context of the ASON architecture.

   It is important to note that GMPLS is applicable in a wider set of
   contexts than just ASON.  The definitions presented in this document
   do not provide exclusive or complete interpretations of GMPLS
   concepts.  This document simply allows the GMPLS terms to be applied
   within the ASON context.

RFC 4426
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4426.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Recovery Functional Specification
Abstract
   This document presents a functional description of the protocol
   extensions needed to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery (i.e., protection and restoration).
   Protocol specific formats and mechanisms will be described in
   companion documents.

RFC 4427
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4427.txt
Title
   Recovery (Protection and Restoration) Terminology
   for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
Abstract
   This document defines a common terminology for Generalized Multi-
   Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery mechanisms (i.e.,
   protection and restoration).  The terminology is independent of the
   underlying transport technologies covered by GMPLS.

RFC 4428
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4428.txt
Title
   Analysis of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based
   Recovery Mechanisms (including Protection and Restoration)
Abstract
   This document provides an analysis grid to evaluate, compare, and
   contrast the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   protocol suite capabilities with the recovery mechanisms currently
   proposed at the IETF CCAMP Working Group.  A detailed analysis of
   each of the recovery phases is provided using the terminology defined
   in RFC 4427.  This document focuses on transport plane survivability
   and recovery issues and not on control plane resilience and related
   aspects.


All IETF RFCs can be downloaded for free from http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html

The current work plan and progress status of the CCAMP working group can
be viewed at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html

The CCAMP working group welcomes questions and discussion about all of its
work from individuals or organisations. The CCAMP mailing list is open to
anyone. Details of subscription can be found on the CCAMP charter page.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Kireeti Kompella
CCAMP working group chairs
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Hi,

It's been pointed out to me that some folk in CCAMP might not be following
the MPLS mailing list too closely.

The MPLS working group has received the liaison below from the ITU-T with
respect to three Recommendations that have been produced on "Transport
MPLS" known as T-MPLS.

T-MPLS appears to be the use of some of the facilities of an MPLS data
plane in order to construct a packet-based transport network. Although no
work on the control plane has been started, we may see this a prime
candidate for GMPLS since the GMPLS protocol family is tuned for transport
networks and supports MPLS packet data planes.

Your review input on these documents is welcomed and should, in the first
instance, be sent to the MPLS working group who are putting together a
coordinated response.

Cheers,
Adrian

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>
> Title: T-MPLS Consented Recommendations
> Submission Date: 2006-04-02
> URL of the IETF Web page:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=207
> Please reply by 2006-04-17
>
> From: Greg Jones(ITU-T SG 15) <tsbsg15@itu.int>
> To: IETF MPLS WG, CC: MFA Forum(George Swallow <swallow@cisco.com>, Loa
Andersson <loa@pi.se>)
> Cc: info@mfaforum.org
> maeda@ansl.ntt.co.jp
> sjtrowbridge@lucent.com
> rcallon@juniper.net
> fenner@research.att.com
> sob@harvard.edu
> sbrim@cisco.com
> mpls@lists.ietf.org
> Reponse Contact: tsbsg15@itu.int
> Technical Contact: Ghani.Abbas@marconi.com
> mark.jones@sprint.com
> betts01@nortel.com
> Purpose: For action
> Body: We apologize for not having sent a liaison regarding three
consented Recommendations related to
> T-MPLS. The intent of these Recommendations is not to change MPLS but
rather to identify a
> subset of existing MPLS necessary and sufficient to provide
connection-oriented packet transport.
> The approach to the work was to make a profile of the MPLS data plane
functionalities defined in
> IETF RFCs using the description of MPLS provided in G.8110 (which was
approved last year).
> The intended application of this profile is to provide a
connection-oriented packet transport
> network.
> The focus of the three new recommendations is on the data plane aspects
of T-MPLS. Control plane
> aspects are currently for further study and the work on this subject is
starting.
> According to our work methodology the T-MPLS definitions are split into
the three main
> Recommendations that have been consented in February 2006:
> * G.8110.1 dealing with the T-MPLS Architecture
> * G.8112 dealing with T-MPLS interface specification
> * G.8121 dealing with T-MPLS equipment functional specification
> A brief high-level introduction of the essential features and selected
options for Transport MPLS
> can be found in section 6/G.8110.1.
> The objective of the work done by ITU-T SG15 was to define a way to use
MPLS as a connection-
> oriented packet-based transport solution for packet aware transport
networks that can support both
> packet and circuit (e.g. SDH, OTH or WDM) switching technologies under a
common operation,
> control and management paradigm. For this purpose T-MPLS deploys the
MPLS frame format,
> Client to MPLS mapping and MPLS to MPLS multiplexing and complements
this with transport
> network OAM (Y.1711), nested connection monitoring requiring the labels
to be present up to the
> final node in the network, protection switching (Y.1720/G.8131),
transport network based control
> and management planes, maintaining frame ordering and a restricted
number of classes of
> service/queues.
> * MPLS has many applications and it is desirable to identify a subset of
MPLS technology that
> provides the necessary and sufficient functionality for transport
applications.
> We have indicated below some of the options we have selected :-
> * In IETF RFCs the usage of PHP is optional. We decided not to use it in
order to simplify OAM
> procedures
> * In IETF RFCs the usage of merging is optional. We decided not to use
it in order to simplify
> OAM procedures and also because the relative lower number of LSPs to be
supported is not
> considered a major scaling issue
> * The usage of ECMP is optional. We decided not to use it in order to
simplify OAM procedures
> * Leaving labels 16-31 for further study was seen as a no change because
the label allocation on a
> link is defined in IETF RFCs as a local matter for any MPLS device.
> We are not expecting that the current version of the specification is
going to create any
> interoperability issue. We envisage two possible cases of
interoperability:
> 1. Interoperability between a T-MPLS box and an existing full-featured
and fully configurable
> MPLS box can be solved by configuring the MPLS box to use the same
options selected by T-
> MPLS (T-MPLS being a profile of MPLS this should be possible). In this
case the link between
> the two boxes is a T-MPLS link and in the scope of our Recommendations.
> 2. Interoperability between a transport platform supporting T-MPLS and
an existing MPLS box
> that uses a different option selection than T-MPLS, should be solved by
the transport platform.
> In this case the link between the transport platform and the MPLS box is
not a T-MPLS link and
> therefore it is outside the scope of T-MPLS recommendations. We are
looking for cooperation
> with IETF to develop the detailed specification of this case.
> Please find attached the text of the consented Recommendations.  Please
note that some minor
> modifications may be made to these draft Recommendations as a result of
comments made during
> the approval process
> We will appreciate your comments and suggestions in relation to the
initial scope of T-MPLS as a
> packet transport network technology.
> We are planning to review your comments during the next meeting that is
planned in Kobe (Japan)
> on 22-27 April 2006. Results of the comments will be included into our
future work (e.g. corrigenda
> or amendments) on T-MPLS Recommendations. Amendments of T-MPLS
Recommendations are
> already in our plan for the next SG15 plenary meeting in November
2006.We are looking forward
> for future cooperation with you in T-MPLS data plane and control plane
evolution.
>
> Attachments: Consented Text of G.8110.1, G.8112, G.8121
> Attachment(s):
>      Consented Text of G.8110.1
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file288.zip)
>      Consented Text of G.8112
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file289.zip)
>      Consented Text of G.8121
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file290.zip)
>
>
>
>
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From: "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
To: "'Kireeti Kompella'" <kireeti@juniper.net>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers 
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:12:20 +0100
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Hi,
My understanding is that supposing that the optical path can be =
physically
allocated (e.g. none of the optical trails included in the path get =
blocked
for physical constraint reasons), there must be an adaptation in the
operative parameters of the optical amplifiers to avoid that the setup =
of a
new wavelength could disturb the signals brought by the other =
wavelengths in
the same fiber.


So on one hand GMPLS should consider if there is any blocking physical
constraint that may impair the allocating of a new wavelength on a =
specified
path.
On the other hand it should be considered how long it would take to the
transport layer to adapt all the physical parameter in the path to =
include a
new wavelength on the fiber without disturbing the existing signals (I
imagine this could be quite a lengthy process if more amplifiers are
cascaded, like in a long haul system for example). This issue I think =
would
put a lower limit to the reconfiguration-time of new optical paths. =20

Marco

-----Original Message-----
From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]=20
Sent: 10 April 2006 16:31
To: Marco Ruffini
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers=20

Hi Marco,

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Marco Ruffini wrote:

> I'm a PhD student on optical network and I'm following the development =
of
> the GMPLS work.
>
> I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical transport
> network who where telling me their concern about creating dynamical =
path
> over trails including optical amplifiers.
>
> They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
> capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.

We've talked on and off about these in CCAMP, and there have been=20
drafts to describe some of the various optical impairments to consider.

In the GMPLS structure defined so far, there are link attributes (such=20
as metrics and bandwidth), and typically, these can be combined simply=20
to get a functioning path.  Thus, for metrics, the combining function=20
is summation, and for bandwidth, the function is "min".

To accommodate attributes that are not carried as TE extensions today,=20
we may have to add node attributes (say for dB loss across a mirror=20
complex).  We may also have to linearize impairments, or define how=20
they are composed across links and nodes; this is not always easy to do.

You say "fast allocating new wavelengths".  I would have thought that=20
the issue is not how fast the allocation is, but whether the=20
allocation and ultimately, the optical LSP setup, is successful taking=20
into account optics and physics.

Kireeti.
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From: "Richard Rabbat" <richard@us.fujitsu.com>
To: "'Don Fedyk'" <dwfedyk@nortel.com>, "'Filippo Cugini'" <filippo.cugini@cnit.it>, "'Adrian Farrel'" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "'Marco Ruffini'" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:55:00 -0700
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Hi,
There are pros and cons to advertising optical information including =
lambda
availability and optical impairements.  GMPLS is not supposed to replace
advanced path computation tools. Actually, an entity such as the PCE =
would
be a perfect piece in the architecture of a lambda network as it is =
expected
to provide advanced computation capabilities beyond CSPF.
<begin shameless plug from my draft>
Actually, we've been looking at some interop scenarii where we are =
clearly
in need for standardization and mentioned one such scenario in=20
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-shiba-ccamp-gmpls-lambda-labels=
-01
.txt
<end>
I think it's time to do a proper analysis of what support already =
exists,
what is still needed and work on extensions (if needed) to support the =
new
generation of ROADM and PXC devices where interop is required.
A few vendors who build ROADMs and PXCs, as well as SPs deploying them =
have
expressed interest in this topic when we discussed the 1st version at =
CCAMP.
I think it's time to sit down and take a stab at it so we have an
interesting draft to discuss in Montreal.
Send me email if you have some cycles to spare on this topic.
Richard.
=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Don Fedyk
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:05 AM
> To: Filippo Cugini; Adrian Farrel; Marco Ruffini
> Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
>=20
>=20
> Hi all
>=20
> About a year ago we started to collect requirements for towards this
> area in a draft. Our current thinking is that the optical/photonic
> networks will have fairly proprietary ways of dealing with the
> non-linear properties but that the interface to GMPLS can be=20
> summarized
> as a fairly generic network interface with a simple metric and a
> blocking capability. We only got as far a the requirements.  The draft
> is in in need of a refresh I will try to do that shortly.  I have to
> contact some other people who were interested in the area.=20
>=20
> If you cannot find a copy of the draft I will send it to you.=20
>=20
> draft-ashwood-ccamp-gmpls-constraint-reqts-00
>=20
> Regards,
> Don=20
>=20
>   =20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> > [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Filippo Cugini
> >=20
> >=20
> > Hi all,
> >=20
> > IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network=20
> > elements such=20
> > as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical=20
> > transport networks. However, the current GMPLS does not=20
> > provide any functionality to keep track=20
> > of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh=20
> > networks must be=20
> > statically designed, during the network planning, to=20
> > guarantee that even the=20
> > most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is=20
> > acceptable. Otherwise,=20
> > because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can=20
> > successfully be set up=20
> > even if they do not comply with physical parameters=20
> > constraints. However, the worst case design approach heavily=20
> > limits the size of the=20
> > transparent networks.
> >=20
> >   Filippo
> >=20
> >=20
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: "Adrian Farrel"
> > >  [..]
> > > - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
> > >   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
> > >   stated.
> > > - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
> > >   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
> > >   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
> > >   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
> > >   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
>=20




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Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
Message-ID: <op.s7suiztn6b8snm@vinni.wan.it.kth.seit.kth.se>
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:55:37 +0200
From: "Americo F. Muchanga" <americo@imit.kth.se>
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Huub,

It is true that GMPLS addresses bandwidth management as one of the primary  
concerns but GMPLS as such thus include information that is aimed at  
enabling end notes to establish and end-to-end light path. This being the  
case, the constraints regarding the quality of that path from physical  
properties perspective is crucial to be taken in consideration. Otherwise  
we might need to maintain a secondary system just to deal with these  
effects. So it is justified to start this discussion to see if GMPLS could  
be extended to also carry that information.

rgds, americo./


On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:07:46 +0200, Huub van Helvoort  
<hhelvoort@chello.nl> wrote:

> Hello Marco,
>
> You wrote:
>
>> I���m a PhD student on optical network and I���m following the
>> development of the GMPLS work.
>>  I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical
>> transport network who where telling me their concern about creating
>> dynamical path over trails including optical amplifiers.
>>  They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the  
>> capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.
>
> Cross-talk and gain are physical properties and not related
> to bandwidth management like GMPLS.
>
> IMO the concern is unjustified.
>
>> I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is there
>> some working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this
>> problem.
>
> IMO for the physical properties you should turn to the ITU-T.
>
> Cheers, Huub.
>



-- 
Americo F. Muchanga
Telecommunications Systems Lab (TSLAB/KTH)
School of Information and Communication Technology
The Royal Institute of Technology KTH
Stockholm, Sweden



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From: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net>
To: Marco Ruffini <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers 
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Hi Marco,

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Marco Ruffini wrote:

> I'm a PhD student on optical network and I'm following the development of
> the GMPLS work.
>
> I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical transport
> network who where telling me their concern about creating dynamical path
> over trails including optical amplifiers.
>
> They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
> capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.

We've talked on and off about these in CCAMP, and there have been 
drafts to describe some of the various optical impairments to consider.

In the GMPLS structure defined so far, there are link attributes (such 
as metrics and bandwidth), and typically, these can be combined simply 
to get a functioning path.  Thus, for metrics, the combining function 
is summation, and for bandwidth, the function is "min".

To accommodate attributes that are not carried as TE extensions today, 
we may have to add node attributes (say for dB loss across a mirror 
complex).  We may also have to linearize impairments, or define how 
they are composed across links and nodes; this is not always easy to do.

You say "fast allocating new wavelengths".  I would have thought that 
the issue is not how fast the allocation is, but whether the 
allocation and ultimately, the optical LSP setup, is successful taking 
into account optics and physics.

Kireeti.
-------



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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:15:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net>
To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: Progressing docs
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Kireeti Kompella wrote:

> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds to go to 
> WG docs:
>
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
> 	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
> 	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
> 	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
> 	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
> 	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.

Thanks, all, for your responses.  All of the above have support.

Authors/editors, please resubmit your docs as WG docs:

 	draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-00.txt
  	draft-ietf-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-00.txt
  	draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
  	draft-ietf-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
  	draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-00.txt

Please make sure that the formating complies and that there are no 
non-ascii characters in your doc.

Hierarchy-bis: please change the title as agreed.

Thanks again,
Kireeti.
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Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:05:17 -0400
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Thread-Topic: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
Thread-Index: AcZcrrWGBTlG3fKmS2qryqs/nS+5JQAABLvg
From: "Don Fedyk" <dwfedyk@nortel.com>
To: "Filippo Cugini" <filippo.cugini@cnit.it>, "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>

Hi all

About a year ago we started to collect requirements for towards this
area in a draft. Our current thinking is that the optical/photonic
networks will have fairly proprietary ways of dealing with the
non-linear properties but that the interface to GMPLS can be summarized
as a fairly generic network interface with a simple metric and a
blocking capability. We only got as far a the requirements.  The draft
is in in need of a refresh I will try to do that shortly.  I have to
contact some other people who were interested in the area.=20

If you cannot find a copy of the draft I will send it to you.=20

draft-ashwood-ccamp-gmpls-constraint-reqts-00

Regards,
Don=20

  =20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Filippo Cugini
>=20
>=20
> Hi all,
>=20
> IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network=20
> elements such=20
> as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical=20
> transport networks. However, the current GMPLS does not=20
> provide any functionality to keep track=20
> of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh=20
> networks must be=20
> statically designed, during the network planning, to=20
> guarantee that even the=20
> most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is=20
> acceptable. Otherwise,=20
> because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can=20
> successfully be set up=20
> even if they do not comply with physical parameters=20
> constraints. However, the worst case design approach heavily=20
> limits the size of the=20
> transparent networks.
>=20
>   Filippo
>=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Adrian Farrel"
> >  [..]
> > - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
> >   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
> >   stated.
> > - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
> >   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
> >   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
> >   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
> >   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
>=20
>=20
>=20



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To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
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Hi all,

IMO the issue will have to be faced soon. Transparent network elements such 
as ROADM and PXC are beginning to be deployed in optical transport networks.
However, the current GMPLS does not provide any functionality to keep track 
of the signal quality degradation. Thus, transparent mesh networks must be 
statically designed, during the network planning, to guarantee that even the 
most impaired connection  (e.g., the longest path) is acceptable. Otherwise, 
because of the current GMPLS limits, connections can successfully be set up 
even if they do not comply with physical parameters constraints.
However, the worst case design approach heavily limits the size of the 
transparent networks.

  Filippo


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrian Farrel"
>  [..]
> - There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
>   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
>   stated.
> - There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
>   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
>   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
>   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
>   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.




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Subject: RE: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:39 -0500
Message-ID: <9473683187ADC049A855ED2DA739ABCA0DDC7618@KCCLUST06EVS1.ugd.att.com>
Thread-Topic: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers
Thread-Index: AcZcqHp/UC+zxd5rSHG8jGIgWWRt0gAAFftQ
From: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" <gash@att.com>
To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "Huub van Helvoort" <hhelvoort@chello.nl>, "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" <gash@att.com>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>

Furthermore RFC 4054 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4054.txt deals with some
of these issues.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On
Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:08 AM
To: Huub van Helvoort; Marco Ruffini
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers

Hi Marco,

I think that Huub may over-simplify the question with his response.

The issues of cross-talk, amplification, etc. do impact on the selection
of lambdas to carry services of different lengths through the network,
and
can become extremely important where transparent optical devices (for
example, PXCs) are used.

Suitable planning tools are available to make such decisions in real
time,
but provisioning may be slower than "instant" because of the need to
tune
power levels etc.

We should note that in lambda networks we are probably talking about
building transport connections. In general, such connections do not need
to be provisioned instantly and have relatively high latency. So a lot
depends on what you mean by "fast allocating."

With respect to what the IETF would or would not work on, we should
observe the following:

- The IETF does not generally do algorithms
   So the mechanism of computing suitable paths and choosing
   lambdas is out of scope. You would need to contact a specialist
   computation / NMS company for this sort of thing.
- There is (as far as I can see) no immediate impact on signaling.
   Once a path and a lambda have been selected, we already
   have the tools to establish the connections.
- There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
   stated.
- There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
- As Huub says, the IETF does not work on defining
   physical properties of optical links, nor on specifying
   the interactions between such properties.

Regards,
Adrian

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Huub van Helvoort" <hhelvoort@chello.nl>
To: "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers


> Hello Marco,
>
> You wrote:
>
> > I'm a PhD student on optical network and I'm following the
> > development of the GMPLS work.
> >
> > I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical
> > transport network who where telling me their concern about creating
> > dynamical path over trails including optical amplifiers.
> >
> > They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
> > capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.
>
> Cross-talk and gain are physical properties and not related
> to bandwidth management like GMPLS.
>
> IMO the concern is unjustified.
>
> > I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is
there
> > some working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this
> > problem.
>
> IMO for the physical properties you should turn to the ITU-T.
>
> Cheers, Huub.
>
> --=20
> =
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From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: "Huub van Helvoort" <hhelvoort@chello.nl>, "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
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Hi Marco,

I think that Huub may over-simplify the question with his response.

The issues of cross-talk, amplification, etc. do impact on the selection
of lambdas to carry services of different lengths through the network, and
can become extremely important where transparent optical devices (for
example, PXCs) are used.

Suitable planning tools are available to make such decisions in real time,
but provisioning may be slower than "instant" because of the need to tune
power levels etc.

We should note that in lambda networks we are probably talking about
building transport connections. In general, such connections do not need
to be provisioned instantly and have relatively high latency. So a lot
depends on what you mean by "fast allocating."

With respect to what the IETF would or would not work on, we should
observe the following:

- The IETF does not generally do algorithms
   So the mechanism of computing suitable paths and choosing
   lambdas is out of scope. You would need to contact a specialist
   computation / NMS company for this sort of thing.
- There is (as far as I can see) no immediate impact on signaling.
   Once a path and a lambda have been selected, we already
   have the tools to establish the connections.
- There *might* be a future requirement to signal certain
   constraints, but we would need to see the requirements clearly
   stated.
- There is probably a need to enhance the advertisement of
   some key physical attributes of optical links and nodes in
   the IGPs. At the moment, however, this information
   appears to be gathered through inventory systems and
   there has been very little consideration of this requirement.
- As Huub says, the IETF does not work on defining
   physical properties of optical links, nor on specifying
   the interactions between such properties.

Regards,
Adrian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Huub van Helvoort" <hhelvoort@chello.nl>
To: "Marco Ruffini" <ruffinim@tcd.ie>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: GMPLS dynamics vs. issues with optical amplifiers


> Hello Marco,
>
> You wrote:
>
> > I�m a PhD student on optical network and I�m following the
> > development of the GMPLS work.
> >
> > I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical
> > transport network who where telling me their concern about creating
> > dynamical path over trails including optical amplifiers.
> >
> > They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
> > capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.
>
> Cross-talk and gain are physical properties and not related
> to bandwidth management like GMPLS.
>
> IMO the concern is unjustified.
>
> > I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is there
> > some working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this
> > problem.
>
> IMO for the physical properties you should turn to the ITU-T.
>
> Cheers, Huub.
>
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Hello Marco,

You wrote:

> I�m a PhD student on optical network and I�m following the
> development of the GMPLS work.
> 
> I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical
> transport network who where telling me their concern about creating
> dynamical path over trails including optical amplifiers.
> 
> They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the 
> capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.

Cross-talk and gain are physical properties and not related
to bandwidth management like GMPLS.

IMO the concern is unjustified.

> I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is there
> some working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this
> problem.

IMO for the physical properties you should turn to the ITU-T.

Cheers, Huub.

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To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:43:45 +0100
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Hi all,

I'm a PhD student on optical network and I'm following the development of
the GMPLS work.

I had a recent discussion with people working on the optical transport
network who where telling me their concern about creating dynamical path
over trails including optical amplifiers.

They say that cross-talk and gain fluctuation effects may limit the
capability of fast allocating new wavelengths over those trials.

 

I just wanted to know what is your opinion about this and if is there some
working group within the IETF already trying to challenge this problem.

 

Thank you for your attention

 

Best Regards,

Marco Ruffini.

 

CTVR, 

University of Dublin, Trinity College, 

Dublin 2,

Ireland.

Phone: +353-1-608 8441

 


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From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
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Hi,

I have had some responses to this request.

In case the information so far is unrepresentative, I'd really appreciate
it if you could take 5 minutes to send me a private response.

Thanks.

Adrian
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:12 PM
Subject: ERO implementation survey


> In Dallas, during discussion of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-addressing-03, we
> determined that implementations must support any form of ERO that is
> legitimately sent by any other implementation. At the same time there is
a
> desire to reduce the number of options if this is possible. Lastly,
there
> was some confusion about what the RFCs actually allow you to do, and
> rather than debate this as though we were lawyers, it may be more
> profitable to look at what current implementations do.
>
> Obviously we can do further work on this if/when RFCs 3209, 3471 and
3473
> go to Draft Standard.
>
> To move things forward, I would like to do an informal and
*confidential*
> survey of current implementations.
>
> Please respond to each question below with, Yes / No / NA
> NA would largely apply where the implementation is found on a NE where
the
> technology makes the ERO option inappropriate.
>
> Send your responses to me and not to the mailing lists (unless you fancy
> the publicity).
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
>
> 1. EROs built for use on Path messages
> For each hop in the path, which of the following options does your
> implementation utilise?
> This question applies to EROs that your implementations construct, NOT
to
> EROs that you forward.
>
> a. IP Address with non-full prefix length specifying a group of nodes
>
> b. AS number
>
> c. TE Router ID
>
> d. Incoming TE link ID
>
> e. Outgoing TE link ID
>
> f. Outgoing TE link ID followed by one or two Label subobjects
>
> g. Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component Interface ID subobject
>
> h. Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component Interface ID subobject
>    and one or two Label subobjects
>
> i. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> j. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID  followed by one or two
>    Label subobjects
>
> k. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject
>
> l. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject and one or two Label subobjects
>
> m. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> n. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID  followed by one or two
>    Label subobjects
>
> o. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject
>
> p. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject and one or two Label subobjects
>
> q. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> r. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID  followed
>    by one or two Label subobjects
>
> s. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID followed
>    by Component Interface ID subobject
>
> t. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID followed
>    by Component Interface ID subobject and one or two Label subobjects
>
> 2. EROs received from the previous hop on Path messages
> Which *top* subobjects in the ERO does your implementation support
> receiving?
> This question applies to ERO subobjects that your implementations must
> handle, NOT to ERO subobjects that you forward.
>
> a. IP Address with non-full prefix length specifying a group of nodes
>
> b. AS number
>
> c. TE Router ID
>
> d. Incoming TE link ID
>
> e. Outgoing TE link ID
>
> f. Outgoing TE link ID followed by one or two Label subobjects
>
> g. Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component Interface ID subobject
>
> h. Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component Interface ID subobject
>    and one or two Label subobjects
>
> i. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> j. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID  followed by one or two
>    Label subobjects
>
> k. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject
>
> l. TE Router ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject and one or two Label subobjects
>
> m. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> n. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID  followed by one or two
>    Label subobjects
>
> o. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject
>
> p. Incoming TE link ID and Outgoing TE link ID followed by Component
>    Interface ID subobject and one or two Label subobjects
>
> q. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID
>
> r. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID  followed
>    by one or two Label subobjects
>
> s. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID followed
>    by Component Interface ID subobject
>
> t. Incoming TE link ID, TE Router ID, and Outgoing TE link ID followed
>    by Component Interface ID subobject and one or two Label subobjects
>
>
>
>




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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:02:27 +0900
From: "Yuichi Ikejiri" <y.ikejiri@ntt.com>
Subject: Re: Progressing docs
To: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>
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Hi,

Yes to all to facilitate further discussion of each draft. 

Thanks,
Yuichi

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:12:31 -0800 (PST)
"Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------




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From: JP Vasseur <jvasseur@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Pce] Comparison of Encryption vs. Path Key Solutions for the CPS ID.
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Hi,

Thanks for the summary Rich.

PCE WG members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:
	(1) You think that there is a need for such solution,
	(2) You would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)
	(3) You think that there is a need for both

Thanks.

JP.

On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As suggested in Dallas, I=92ve described some of the tradeoffs =20
> between the two solutions described in draft-rbradfor-ccamp-=20
> confidential-segment-00.txt.
>
> -- Rich
>
>
>
> The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very different =20
> but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) solution =20
> and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note examines =20
> a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.
>
>
>
> In short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS =20
> by saving it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. =20
> During the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the =20
> PCE for an expansion.
>
> The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by encrypting =20
> it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During the =20
> LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =20=

> obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration).
>
>
>
> The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) additional =20=

> control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those objects, =20
> (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope (i.e. =20
> applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) the =20=

> size of objects added to existing messages.
>
>
>
> (1) Additional Control Message Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key upon =20
> receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =20
> the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR =20
> must request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional =20
> message exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption =20
> solution does not require this extra exchange between the PCE and =20
> the ingress node for every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to =20=

> be exchanged only when it is changed. The result is additional =20
> delay during every LSP setup for the PKS solution but no additional =20=

> delay for the PRS solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> (2) PCE and LSR Performance:
>
> The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) database of keys =20
> adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires the =20
> encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =20
> LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =20
> requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on =20
> the PCE response time.
>
>
>
> (3) Addition of State in the PCE:
>
> The PKS solution requires the addition of path-specific state and =20
> maintenance of a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no =20
> additional state.
>
>
>
>
>
> (4) Solution Scope:
>
> The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in conjunction with a PCE =20
> to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS provides no direct =20
> solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS solution for working =20
> in the case where A's network straddles B's network and where A =20
> wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the intervening =20=

> network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS could be =20
> used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the returned =20
> RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could be =20
> adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or =20
> PATHTEARs, while keeping the failure location confidential from =20
> LSRs without a decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is =20
> maintained by returning the address of border nodes, which can be =20
> very misleading.
>
>
>
> (5) Message Object Overhead:
>
> The PKS solution provides a very compact key or token to identify a =20=

> path segment, which generally allows for smaller EROs to be =20
> returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =20
> message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as =20
> large as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be =20
> significantly larger if it is desirable to hide the number of hops =20
> within the network from external view by padding the PRS. The =20
> result is potentially larger PATH (and PCEP) messages for the PRS =20
> solution.
>
>
>
>
>
> Please note that the tradeoffs listed here are for the current I-D. =20=

> Some of the shortcomings of each approach could be mitigated by =20
> implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a PCE could =20
> choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =20
> shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =20
> eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar =20
> exchange could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need =20
> for a separate key exchange. These examples of extensions are =20
> beyond the scope of the ID, but might be useful when weighing the =20
> pros and cons of the two solutions.
>
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<HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; =
-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi,<DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks for the summary =
Rich.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>PCE WG =
members: thanks to provide your feedback on whether:</DIV><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</SPAN>(1) You =
think that there is a need for such solution,</DIV><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</SPAN>(2) You =
would prefer one solution (which one and why ?)</DIV><DIV><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</SPAN>(3) You =
think that there is a need for both</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>JP.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV>On Apr 5, 2006, =
at 6:19 PM, Rich Bradford ((rbradfor)) wrote:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"City">=
 <O:SMARTTAGTYPE =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" =
name=3D"place"> <DIV class=3D"Section1"><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">Hi,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">As =
suggested in <ST1:CITY w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACE =
w:st=3D"on">Dallas</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>, I=92ve described some of the =
tradeoffs between the two solutions described in =
draft-rbradfor-ccamp-confidential-segment-00.txt.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>=
</P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">-- =
Rich<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The Confidential Path Segment (CPS) ID provides two very =
different but equally valid solutions, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) =
solution and the Private Route Subobject (PRS) solution. This note =
examines a number of the advantages and disadvantages of each solution. =
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">In =
short: The PKS solution allows a PCE to hide the CPS for an AS by saving =
it in a database and replacing it with a key in the ERO. During the LSP =
setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must query the PCE for an =
expansion.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The PRS solution allows a CPS for an AS to be hidden by =
encrypting it, which may be done by a PCE or by the Head-End LSR. During =
the LSP setup, the ingress LSR for that AS must use a decryption key to =
obtain the expansion (implying an earlier exchange or configuration). =
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The major differences between the mechanisms involve (1) =
additional control messages, (2) performance issues expanding those =
objects, (3) the addition of state to the PCE, (4) the solution scope =
(i.e. applicability to various topologies of each solution.), and (5) =
the size of objects added to existing =
messages.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(1) Additional Control Message =
Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">The PKS solution requires a mechanism to expand the Path Key =
upon receipt of the LSP setup request. Since the PCE which calculated =
the Path Key might not reside in the entry boundary LSR, the LSR must =
request the expansion from the PCE, requiring an additional message =
exchange before LSP setup can proceed. The Path Encryption solution does =
not require this extra exchange between the PCE and the ingress node for =
every LSP. Rather, the decryption key needs to be exchanged only when it =
is changed. The result is additional delay during every LSP setup for =
the PKS solution but no additional delay for the PRS =
solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(2) PCE and LSR Performance:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS solution must maintain a (temporary) =
database of keys adding overhead to the PCE. The PRS solution requires =
the encryption of the CPS in the PCE and decryption of the CPS in the =
LSR, which could be CPU intensive. Note that in case of a burst of =
requests, encryption of large number of CPS may have an impact on the =
PCE response time.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">(3) Addition of State in the =
PCE:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS =
solution requires the addition of path-specific state and maintenance of =
a database in the PCE. The PRS solution requires no additional =
state.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3"=
 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(4) Solution Scope:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS and PRS solutions both work well in =
conjunction with a PCE to encode and decode the CPS. However the PKS =
provides no direct solution without a PCE. This prevents the PKS =
solution for working in the case where A's network straddles B's network =
and where A wants to use an ERO for a segment of the LSP across the =
intervening network, e.g. (netA)-(netB)-(netA). In addition, the PRS =
could be used to record a CPS even if the path (and therefore the =
returned RRO) crosses multiple boundaries. Finally, a PRS solution could =
be adapted to return actual failure locations in PERRs and/or PATHTEARs, =
while keeping the failure location confidential from LSRs without a =
decryption key. Currently privacy of this source is maintained by =
returning the address of border nodes, which can be very =
misleading.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">(5) Message Object Overhead:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">The PKS solution provides a very compact key =
or token to identify a path segment, which generally allows for smaller =
EROs to be returned by the PCE and to be requested in the resulting PATH =
message. A PRS which contains a CPS must generally be at least as large =
as the unencrypted PATH through the AS and may be significantly larger =
if it is desirable to hide the number of hops within the network from =
external view by padding the PRS. The result is potentially larger PATH =
(and PCEP) messages for the PRS solution.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt">Please note that the tradeoffs listed here =
are for the current I-D. Some of the shortcomings of each approach could =
be mitigated by implementation-specific optimizations. For example, a =
PCE could choose to signal the CPS expansion to the entry boundary LSR, =
shifting the burden of maintaining the PKS state to the LSR and =
eliminating the performance hit during LSP setup. A similar exchange =
could be performed for the PRS case, eliminating the need for a separate =
key exchange. These examples of extensions are beyond the scope of the =
ID, but might be useful when weighing the pros and cons of the two =
solutions.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt">=A0<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal"><FONT =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV> =
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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:47:12 +0900
To: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org
From: Wataru Imajuku <imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Progressing docs
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Hi, Kiretti and Adrian

  Yes to all

Wataru

>Hi All,
>
>This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds to go 
>to WG docs:
>
>a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>         draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
>b) "hierarchy bis"
>         draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
>c) Call Support
>         draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
>d) Ethernet TSpec
>         draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
>e) OSPF-TE MIB
>         draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>
>Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
>My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
>migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>
>Kireeti.
>-------
>

---------------------------------
Wataru Imajuku
@NTT Network Innovation Labs.
TEL +81-46-859-4315
FAX +81-46-859-5541 




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Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ccamp-crankback-05.txt ready for AD review
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:41:11 -0500
Message-ID: <9473683187ADC049A855ED2DA739ABCA0DDC75FF@KCCLUST06EVS1.ugd.att.com>
Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-ccamp-crankback-05.txt ready for AD review
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From: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" <gash@att.com>
To: <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, <zinin@psg.com>
Cc: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" <gash@att.com>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, <fenner@research.att.com>

The crankback draft
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-crankback-05.txt
has been in AD review (publication requested) for more than 10 months.
Can we have a status?

6 other drafts are in the CCAMP AD-review queue also, but not as long:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=3Dsearch_list&=
s
earch_job_owner=3D0&search_group_acronym=3Dccamp&search_status_id=3D&sear=
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_area_a
cronym=3D&search_button=3DSEARCH.

Thanks,
Jerry

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On
Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:04 AM
To: zinin@psg.com
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; iesg-secretary@ietf.org;
fenner@research.att.com; adrian@olddog.co.uk
Subject: draft-ietf-ccamp-crankback-05.txt ready for AD review

Hi Alex,=20

draft-ietf-ccamp-crankback-05.txt is ready for AD review and progression

through the process.=20

It is targeted at Standards Track.=20

The I-D has been through WG last call and has been liaised to ITU-T
SG15.=20

Updates have been made in response to comments made in both forums.=20

I am happy with these updates, but note that I am also the editor of
this=20
document.=20

Cheers,=20

Adrian



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Subject: RE: Proposed liaison to ITU-T on new RFCs
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:33:09 -0500
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From: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" <gash@att.com>
To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Cc: "Ash, Gerald R \(Jerry\), ALABS" <gash@att.com>, "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>, "Bill Fenner" <fenner@research.att.com>, "Ross Callon" <rcallon@juniper.net>, "Scott Bradner" <sob@harvard.edu>

I like your subtle (hint, hint) approach.

Jerry=20

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On
Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:11 AM
To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Cc: 'Kireeti Kompella'; Bill Fenner; Ross Callon; Scott Bradner
Subject: Proposed liaison to ITU-T on new RFCs

In the spirit of continued communication with Study Group 15 of the
ITU-T
we need to send information about our recently published RFCs. The
following is a draft liaison that I would like to send in time for their
interim meeting in Kobe, Japan later this month.

Comments please.

Thanks,
Adrian

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
To: ITU-T Study Group 15
From: IETF CCAMP working group
Cc: IETF Routing Area Directors
For: Information

Subject: Recently published IETF RFCs relevant to GMPLS, Optical
Transport
Networks, and Packet Transport Networks

The IETF's CCAMP working group is pleased to inform Study Group 15 of
the
ITU-T of the publication of several new RFCs that are relevant to the
work
that you are doing with optical and packet transport networks. Several
of
these RFCs received useful review and input from Study Group 15
participants for which CCAMP would like to express its thanks.

RFC 4257
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4257.txt
Title
   Framework for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based Control of Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy/Synchronous Optical Networking (SDH/SONET) Networks
Abstract
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) is a suite of
   protocol extensions to MPLS to make it generally applicable, to
   include, for example, control of non packet-based switching, and
   particularly, optical switching.  One consideration is to use GMPLS
   protocols to upgrade the control plane of optical transport networks.
   This document illustrates this process by describing those extensions
   to GMPLS protocols that are aimed at controlling Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) or Synchronous Optical Networking (SONET) networks.
   SDH/SONET networks make good examples of this process for a variety
   of reasons.  This document highlights extensions to GMPLS-related
   routing protocols to disseminate information needed in transport path
   computation and network operations, together with (G)MPLS protocol
   extensions required for the provisioning of transport circuits.  New
   capabilities that an GMPLS control plane would bring to SDH/SONET
   networks, such as new restoration methods and multi-layer circuit
   establishment, are also discussed.

RFC 4258
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt
Title
   Requirements for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Routing for the Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
Abstract
   The Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) suite of
   protocols has been defined to control different switching
   technologies as well as different applications.  These include
   support for requesting Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) connections
   including Synchronous Optical Network (SONET)/Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs).

   This document concentrates on the routing requirements placed on the
   GMPLS suite of protocols in order to support the capabilities and
   functionalities of an Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
   as defined by the ITU-T.

RFC 4327
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4327.txt
Title
   Link Management Protocol (LMP) Management Information Base (MIB)
Abstract
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects for modeling the Link
   Management Protocol (LMP).

RFC 4328
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4328.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Signaling Extensions for G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control
Abstract
   This document is a companion to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS) signaling documents.  It describes the technology-
   specific information needed to extend GMPLS signaling to control
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN); it also includes the so-called
   pre-OTN developments.

RFC 4394
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4394.txt
Title
   A Transport Network View of the Link Management Protocol (LMP)
Abstract
   The Link Management Protocol (LMP) has been developed as part of the
   Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) protocol suite to manage Traffic Engineering
   (TE) resources and links.  The GMPLS control plane (routing and
   signaling) uses TE links for establishing Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs).  This memo describes the relationship of the LMP procedures
   to 'discovery' as defined in the International Telecommunication
   Union (ITU-T), and ongoing ITU-T work.  This document provides an
   overview of LMP in the context of the ITU-T Automatically Switched
   Optical Networks (ASON) and transport network terminology and relates
   it to the ITU-T discovery work to promote a common understanding for
   progressing the work of IETF and ITU-T.

RFC 4397
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4397.txt
Title
   A Lexicography for the Interpretation of Generalized Multiprotocol
   Label Switching (GMPLS) Terminology within the Context of the
   ITU-T's Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) Architecture
Abstract
   Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) has been developed
   by the IETF to facilitate the establishment of Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs) in a variety of data plane technologies and across several
   architectural models.  The ITU-T has specified an architecture for
   the control of Automatically Switched Optical Networks (ASON).

   This document provides a lexicography for the interpretation of GMPLS
   terminology within the context of the ASON architecture.

   It is important to note that GMPLS is applicable in a wider set of
   contexts than just ASON.  The definitions presented in this document
   do not provide exclusive or complete interpretations of GMPLS
   concepts.  This document simply allows the GMPLS terms to be applied
   within the ASON context.

RFC 4426
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4426.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Recovery Functional Specification
Abstract
   This document presents a functional description of the protocol
   extensions needed to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery (i.e., protection and restoration).
   Protocol specific formats and mechanisms will be described in
   companion documents.

RFC 4427
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4427.txt
Title
   Recovery (Protection and Restoration) Terminology
   for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
Abstract
   This document defines a common terminology for Generalized Multi-
   Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery mechanisms (i.e.,
   protection and restoration).  The terminology is independent of the
   underlying transport technologies covered by GMPLS.

RFC 4428
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4428.txt
Title
   Analysis of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based
   Recovery Mechanisms (including Protection and Restoration)
Abstract
   This document provides an analysis grid to evaluate, compare, and
   contrast the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   protocol suite capabilities with the recovery mechanisms currently
   proposed at the IETF CCAMP Working Group.  A detailed analysis of
   each of the recovery phases is provided using the terminology defined
   in RFC 4427.  This document focuses on transport plane survivability
   and recovery issues and not on control plane resilience and related
   aspects.


All IETF RFCs can be downloaded for free from
http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html

The current work plan and progress status of the CCAMP working group can
be viewed at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html

The CCAMP working group welcomes questions and discussion about all of
its
work from individuals or organisations. The CCAMP mailing list is open
to
anyone. Details of subscription can be found on the CCAMP charter page.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Kireeti Kompella
CCAMP working group chairs






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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:29:40 +0800
From: Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: Progressing docs
To: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org
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See below. - Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:12 AM
Subject: Progressing docs


> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
Yes

> b) "hierarchy bis"
>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
Yes

> c) Call Support
>   draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
Yes

> d) Ethernet TSpec
>   draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
Yes

> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>   draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
Yes

> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------
> 



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Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Cc: "'Kireeti Kompella'" <kireeti@juniper.net>, "Bill Fenner" <fenner@research.att.com>, "Ross Callon" <rcallon@juniper.net>, "Scott Bradner" <sob@harvard.edu>
Subject: Proposed liaison to ITU-T on new RFCs
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:10:31 +0100
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In the spirit of continued communication with Study Group 15 of the ITU-T
we need to send information about our recently published RFCs. The
following is a draft liaison that I would like to send in time for their
interim meeting in Kobe, Japan later this month.

Comments please.

Thanks,
Adrian

=====
To: ITU-T Study Group 15
From: IETF CCAMP working group
Cc: IETF Routing Area Directors
For: Information

Subject: Recently published IETF RFCs relevant to GMPLS, Optical Transport
Networks, and Packet Transport Networks

The IETF's CCAMP working group is pleased to inform Study Group 15 of the
ITU-T of the publication of several new RFCs that are relevant to the work
that you are doing with optical and packet transport networks. Several of
these RFCs received useful review and input from Study Group 15
participants for which CCAMP would like to express its thanks.


RFC 4257
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4257.txt
Title
   Framework for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based Control of Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy/Synchronous Optical Networking (SDH/SONET) Networks
Abstract
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) is a suite of
   protocol extensions to MPLS to make it generally applicable, to
   include, for example, control of non packet-based switching, and
   particularly, optical switching.  One consideration is to use GMPLS
   protocols to upgrade the control plane of optical transport networks.
   This document illustrates this process by describing those extensions
   to GMPLS protocols that are aimed at controlling Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) or Synchronous Optical Networking (SONET) networks.
   SDH/SONET networks make good examples of this process for a variety
   of reasons.  This document highlights extensions to GMPLS-related
   routing protocols to disseminate information needed in transport path
   computation and network operations, together with (G)MPLS protocol
   extensions required for the provisioning of transport circuits.  New
   capabilities that an GMPLS control plane would bring to SDH/SONET
   networks, such as new restoration methods and multi-layer circuit
   establishment, are also discussed.

RFC 4258
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt
Title
   Requirements for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Routing for the Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
Abstract
   The Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) suite of
   protocols has been defined to control different switching
   technologies as well as different applications.  These include
   support for requesting Time Division Multiplexing (TDM) connections
   including Synchronous Optical Network (SONET)/Synchronous Digital
   Hierarchy (SDH) and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs).

   This document concentrates on the routing requirements placed on the
   GMPLS suite of protocols in order to support the capabilities and
   functionalities of an Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)
   as defined by the ITU-T.

RFC 4327
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4327.txt
Title
   Link Management Protocol (LMP) Management Information Base (MIB)
Abstract
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects for modeling the Link
   Management Protocol (LMP).

RFC 4328
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4328.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Signaling Extensions for G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control
Abstract
   This document is a companion to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS) signaling documents.  It describes the technology-
   specific information needed to extend GMPLS signaling to control
   Optical Transport Networks (OTN); it also includes the so-called
   pre-OTN developments.

RFC 4394
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4394.txt
Title
   A Transport Network View of the Link Management Protocol (LMP)
Abstract
   The Link Management Protocol (LMP) has been developed as part of the
   Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) protocol suite to manage Traffic Engineering
   (TE) resources and links.  The GMPLS control plane (routing and
   signaling) uses TE links for establishing Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs).  This memo describes the relationship of the LMP procedures
   to 'discovery' as defined in the International Telecommunication
   Union (ITU-T), and ongoing ITU-T work.  This document provides an
   overview of LMP in the context of the ITU-T Automatically Switched
   Optical Networks (ASON) and transport network terminology and relates
   it to the ITU-T discovery work to promote a common understanding for
   progressing the work of IETF and ITU-T.

RFC 4397
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4397.txt
Title
   A Lexicography for the Interpretation of Generalized Multiprotocol
   Label Switching (GMPLS) Terminology within the Context of the
   ITU-T's Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) Architecture
Abstract
   Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) has been developed
   by the IETF to facilitate the establishment of Label Switched Paths
   (LSPs) in a variety of data plane technologies and across several
   architectural models.  The ITU-T has specified an architecture for
   the control of Automatically Switched Optical Networks (ASON).

   This document provides a lexicography for the interpretation of GMPLS
   terminology within the context of the ASON architecture.

   It is important to note that GMPLS is applicable in a wider set of
   contexts than just ASON.  The definitions presented in this document
   do not provide exclusive or complete interpretations of GMPLS
   concepts.  This document simply allows the GMPLS terms to be applied
   within the ASON context.

RFC 4426
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4426.txt
Title
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   Recovery Functional Specification
Abstract
   This document presents a functional description of the protocol
   extensions needed to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
   Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery (i.e., protection and restoration).
   Protocol specific formats and mechanisms will be described in
   companion documents.

RFC 4427
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4427.txt
Title
   Recovery (Protection and Restoration) Terminology
   for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
Abstract
   This document defines a common terminology for Generalized Multi-
   Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery mechanisms (i.e.,
   protection and restoration).  The terminology is independent of the
   underlying transport technologies covered by GMPLS.

RFC 4428
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4428.txt
Title
   Analysis of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based
   Recovery Mechanisms (including Protection and Restoration)
Abstract
   This document provides an analysis grid to evaluate, compare, and
   contrast the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
   protocol suite capabilities with the recovery mechanisms currently
   proposed at the IETF CCAMP Working Group.  A detailed analysis of
   each of the recovery phases is provided using the terminology defined
   in RFC 4427.  This document focuses on transport plane survivability
   and recovery issues and not on control plane resilience and related
   aspects.


All IETF RFCs can be downloaded for free from http://www.ietf.org/rfc.html

The current work plan and progress status of the CCAMP working group can
be viewed at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html

The CCAMP working group welcomes questions and discussion about all of its
work from individuals or organisations. The CCAMP mailing list is open to
anyone. Details of subscription can be found on the CCAMP charter page.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Kireeti Kompella
CCAMP working group chairs





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Subject: RE: Progressing docs
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:44:48 +0200
Message-ID: <D109C8C97C15294495117745780657AE04A02B67@ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr>
Thread-Topic: Progressing docs
Thread-Index: AcZU7zIwfdowxGaTSAOns2lu7cJQOQDrpqBw
From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" <jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com>
To: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>

Hi Kireeti,

I support these 5 Ids as WG docs.

Regards,

JL=20

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] De la part de Kireeti Kompella
> Envoy=E9 : vendredi 31 mars 2006 20:13
> =C0 : ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Objet : Progressing docs
>=20
> Hi All,
>=20
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the=20
> following I-Ds to go to WG docs:
>=20
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>=20
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>=20
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was=20
> for the migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check=20
> all these docs.
>=20
> Kireeti.
> -------
>=20
>=20



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Subject: RE: Progressing docs
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:10:34 +0800
Message-ID: <AC69DA36E7838140ADA1C2B9026F8DD60238C8@emailhk1.jnpr.net>
Thread-Topic: Progressing docs
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From: "Hidet Sugiyama" <hidet@juniper.net>
To: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>

Yes to all.
 
-hidet

________________________________

From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org 代理 Kireeti Kompella
Sent: 2006/04/01 (土) 3:12
To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Progressing docs



Hi All,

This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds
to go to WG docs:

a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
        draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
b) "hierarchy bis"
        draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
c) Call Support
        draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
d) Ethernet TSpec
        draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
e) OSPF-TE MIB
        draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt

Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.

My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the
migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.

Kireeti.
-------




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Delivery-date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:37:42 +0000
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:36:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arthi Ayyangar <arthi@juniper.net>
To: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net>
cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: Progressing docs
Message-ID: <20060404143421.M63242@zircon.juniper.net>
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> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
> 	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
----> yes.

> b) "hierarchy bis"
> 	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
----> yes.

> c) Call Support
> 	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
----> yes.

> d) Ethernet TSpec
> 	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
---> yes.

> e) OSPF-TE MIB
> 	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
-----> yes.


thanks,
-arthi

> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the migration 
> doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>
> Kireeti.
> -------
>



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Subject: RE: Progressing docs
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:35:43 -0400
Message-ID: <34B3EAA5B3066A42914D28C5ECF5FEA407A42F61@zrtphxm2>
Thread-Topic: Progressing docs
Thread-Index: AcZU75e7R3rhRC1UQqS2ltsAJSecCQC/PwIA
From: "Don Fedyk" <dwfedyk@nortel.com>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>

Hi Kireeti

Yes to all,

Don=20

> -----Original Message-----
> Hi All,
>=20
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds=20
> to go to WG docs:
>=20
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>=20
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>=20
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the=20
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>=20
> Kireeti.
> -------
>=20
>=20
>=20



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Delivery-date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:22:57 +0000
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:20:39 +0900
From: Eiji Oki <oki.eiji@lab.ntt.co.jp>
To: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net>
Subject: Re: Progressing docs
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Message-Id: <20060404222015.061E.OKI.EIJI@lab.ntt.co.jp>
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Hi,

Yes to all.

Eiji

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:12:31 -0800 (PST)
Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------




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Subject: RE: Progressing docs
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:15:25 -0400
Message-ID: <3C292CE901FC634693F24FB2DDC4D332014EEE6C@xmb-rtp-20d.amer.cisco.com>
Thread-Topic: Progressing docs
Thread-Index: AcZU7s+Ny4wVPvycRI+YwaQ5yqkm/gCfRsZQ
From: "Rich Bradford ¥(rbradfor¥)" <rbradfor@cisco.com>
To: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>

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From: "Zafar Ali ¥(zali¥)" <zali@cisco.com>
To: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20
> [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kireeti Kompella
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:13 PM
> To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: Progressing docs
>=20
> Hi All,
>=20
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the=20
> following I-Ds to go to WG docs:
>=20
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt

Yes, but I have some comments about the ID merger, that I am discussing
w/ Authors off-line.=20

> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt

Yes,=20

> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt

Yes,=20

> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt

Yes,=20

> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>=20

Yes,=20

> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>=20
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was=20
> for the migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check=20
> all these docs.
>=20
> Kireeti.
> -------
>=20



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From: Tina TSOU <tena@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: Progressing docs
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Hi,
Yes to all.

Tina
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <inoue.ichiro@lab.ntt.co.jp>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: Progressing docs


> Hi,
> 
> Yes to all.
> 
> Ichiro
> 
> At 23:15 06/04/03, Igor Bryskin wrote:
> >Yes to all.
> >
> >Igor
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>
> >To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
> >Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:12 PM
> >Subject: Progressing docs
> >
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds
> >> to go to WG docs:
> >>
> >> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
> >>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> >> b) "hierarchy bis"
> >>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> >> c) Call Support
> >>   draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> >> d) Ethernet TSpec
> >>   draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> >> e) OSPF-TE MIB
> >>   draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> >>
> >> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> >>
> >> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the
> >> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> >>
> >> Kireeti.
> >> -------
> >>
> 
> 
>



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Hi,

Yes to all.

Ichiro

At 23:15 06/04/03, Igor Bryskin wrote:
 >Yes to all.
 >
 >Igor
 >
 >----- Original Message -----
 >From: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>
 >To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
 >Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:12 PM
 >Subject: Progressing docs
 >
 >
 >> Hi All,
 >>
 >> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds
 >> to go to WG docs:
 >>
 >> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
 >>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
 >> b) "hierarchy bis"
 >>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
 >> c) Call Support
 >>   draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
 >> d) Ethernet TSpec
 >>   draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
 >> e) OSPF-TE MIB
 >>   draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
 >>
 >> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
 >>
 >> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the
 >> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
 >>
 >> Kireeti.
 >> -------
 >>





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From: "Igor Bryskin" <ibryskin@movaz.com>
To: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
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Yes to all.

Igor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: Progressing docs


> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>   draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>   draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>   draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>   draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------
> 



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To: "'Kireeti Kompella'" <kireeti@juniper.net>, <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
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Yes to all.
/R

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:13 PM
> To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> Subject: Progressing docs
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>  	draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>  	draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>  	draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>  	draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------
> 
> 






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Yes to all

Kohei

Kireeti Kompella wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds to 
> go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>     draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>     draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>     draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
> 
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
> 
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
> 
> Kireeti.
> -------
> 
> 
> 





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To: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org
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Yes to all

Tomonori

At 10:12 06/03/31 -0800, Kireeti Kompella wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds to go 
>to WG docs:
>
>a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>         draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
>b) "hierarchy bis"
>         draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
>c) Call Support
>         draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
>d) Ethernet TSpec
>         draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
>e) OSPF-TE MIB
>         draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>
>Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
>My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
>migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>
>Kireeti.
>-------




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From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
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Hi,

Having spoken to the ADs, we are agreed that this draft is Standards
Track.

We will move forward on that basis.

Thanks.

Adrian




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> Hi All,
> 
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
> 
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>                draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt

yes

> b) "hierarchy bis"
>                draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt

abstain

> c) Call Support
>                draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt

yes

> d) Ethernet TSpec
>                draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt

yes

> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>                draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt

yes

> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.



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yes to all

Kireeti Kompella wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
>
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>     draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>     draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>     draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>
> Kireeti.
> -------
>
>



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Kireeti, yes to all


Kireeti Kompella wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This is to double-check support *on the list* for the following I-Ds 
> to go to WG docs:
>
> a) MPLS-GMPLS interworking
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
> b) "hierarchy bis"
>     draft-shiomoto-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-01.txt
> c) Call Support
>     draft-papadimitriou-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-00.txt
> d) Ethernet TSpec
>     draft-dimitri-mef-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt
> e) OSPF-TE MIB
>     draft-otani-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-02.txt
>
> Please say for each if you think it should/should not become a WG doc.
>
> My previous email was in error: the "excellent" support was for the 
> migration doc.  Just to be clear, we'll double-check all these docs.
>
> Kireeti.
> -------
>

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Subject:  RFC 4427 on Recovery (Protection and Restoration) Terminology for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 4427

        Title:      Recovery (Protection and Restoration) Terminology 
                    for Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) 
        Author:     E. Mannie, Ed., 
                    D. Papadimitriou, Ed.
        Status:     Informational
        Date:       March 2006
        Mailbox:    eric.mannie@perceval.net, 
                    dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be
        Pages:      22
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        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-recovery-terminology-06.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4427.txt

This document defines a common terminology for Generalized
Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery mechanisms
(i.e., protection and restoration).  The terminology is independent of
the underlying transport technologies covered by GMPLS.  This memo provides information for the Internet community.

This document is a product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 4428

        Title:      Analysis of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label 
                    Switching (GMPLS)-based Recovery Mechanisms 
                    (including Protection and Restoration) 
        Author:     D. Papadimitriou, Ed., 
                    E. Mannie, Ed.
        Status:     Informational
        Date:       March 2006
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                    eric.mannie@perceval.net
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        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-recovery-analysis-05.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4428.txt

This document provides an analysis grid to evaluate, compare, and
contrast the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
protocol suite capabilities with the recovery mechanisms currently
proposed at the IETF CCAMP Working Group.  A detailed analysis of each
of the recovery phases is provided using the terminology defined in
RFC 4427.  This document focuses on transport plane survivability and
recovery issues and not on control plane resilience and related
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Subject:  RFC 4426 on Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Recovery Functional Specification
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 4426

        Title:      Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) 
                    Recovery Functional Specification 
        Author:     J. Lang, Ed., 
                    B. Rajagopalan, Ed., 
                    D. Papadimitriou, Ed.
        Status:     Standards Track
        Date:       March 2006
        Mailbox:    jplang@ieee.org, 
                    balar@microsoft.com, 
                    dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be
        Pages:      23
        Characters: 55820
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-recovery-functional-04.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4426.txt

This document presents a functional description of the protocol
extensions needed to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label
Switching (GMPLS)-based recovery (i.e., protection and restoration).
Protocol specific formats and mechanisms will be described in
companion documents.  [STANDARDS TRACK]

This document is a product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane
Working Group of the IETF

This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol.

STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet standards track
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suggestions for improvements.Please refer to the current edition of the
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