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dan - 

ok - do we have a sense of the probability of multiple independent nodes 
failures - is that a common failure scenario operators are facing (and not 
a marginal case) ?

or are we addressing common bugs affecting common equipment - in this case 
this topics is outside scope of CCAMP ?

pls read between the lines i start to be seriously concerned by GMPLS 
protocol over-engineering - if the set currently available technique is 
still not enough for base deployment then it means the issue(s) is/are 
sitting somewhere else -

thanks,
- d.




Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
30/09/2006 07:42
 
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        cc:     ccamp <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, Olufemi Komolafe 
<femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>, gjhhit@huawei.com, owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
        Subject:        Re: Comments on 
draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,


Hi Dimitri,

There is nothing wrong with the GR draft, the mechanism described in that 
draft doesn't need any remedial patch, and it is applied to this draft. 
The reason we started working on this draft is try to clarify the control 
plane procedures for a GMPLS network when there are multiple node 
failures, and describes how full control plane state can be recovered 
depending on the order in which the nodes restart.

Thanks,

Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be>
To: "Dan Li" <danli@huawei.com>
Cc: "ccamp" <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>; "Olufemi Komolafe" <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>; 
<gjhhit@huawei.com>; <owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,


> hi dan 
> 
> yes i have a very practical issue - the document would then deal with 
> remedial to remedial - ... but do we have any feedback on initial 
> remedials ?
> 
> thanks,
> - d. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
> Sent by: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> 25/09/2006 09:27
> 
>         To:     Olufemi Komolafe <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>, gjhhit@huawei.com
>         cc:     ccamp <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
>         Subject:        Re: Comments on 
> draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
> 
> 
> Hi Femi,
> 
> Thanks for your valuable suggestion! 
> 
> The intention for this draft is clarify the procedures for multi-nodes 
> restart, so five typical scenarios have been listed in the draft, I 
think 
> most of the failed cases are covered by these five scenarios. As you 
have 
> pointed out, these scenarios may be raised due to multiple nodes fail, 
or 
> a subsequent control channel failure. Yes, you're right! It may be more 
> generic to classify these scenarios, such as: "What should happen if a 
> restarting node fails to get a RecoveryPath/Path message from its 
> downstream/upstream neighbor?", but I think it may be more clear to 
> address the specific cases in the draft at least during the initial 
stage.
> 
> Any comments are very welcome!
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Olufemi Komolafe 
> To: danli@huawei.com ; gjhhit@huawei.com 
> Cc: ccamp 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> While reading this draft it occurred to me that perhaps it might be more 

> useful to approach this topic from the perspective of "What can go wrong 

> during graceful restart, what are the consequences and how can it be 
> fixed?" rather than focusing on the narrower topic of multiple 
> simultaneous nodal faults.
> 
> For example, Scenario 1 in the draft may be interpreted as "What should 
> happen if a (non-ingress) restarting node fails to get a RecoveryPath 
> message from its downstream neighbour?", Scenario 2 is "What should 
happen 
> if a (non-ingress) restarting node fails to get a Path message from its 
> upstream neighbour?" and so on.  Whether each of these scenarios arises 
> due to multiple simultaneous nodal faults (as in the draft) or any other 

> reason (e.g. a subsequent control channel failure, restarting node being 

> inundated with messages etc.) is, in my opinion, secondary.  I think the 

> key thing is to identify the potential problems and suggest appropriate 
> remedial actions, where the authors think existing documentation is 
> insufficient, rather than focusing on 5 different permutations of 
multiple 
> node graceful restart. 
> 
> Regards,
> Femi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On 
Behalf 
> Of Zafar Ali (zali)
> Sent: 10 July 2006 04:04
> To: danli@huawei.com; gjhhit@huawei.com
> Cc: ccamp
> Subject: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt, 
> 
> Dear Authors, 
> 
> This is Deja-vu to me.... 
> 
> Draft draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-restart-ext-05.txt actually had a section on 

> multiple node restart case and was rejected by the WG as addressing 
> multiple node restart case is NOT a goal (suffers from the law of 
> diminishing return). In other words the following statement in the ID- 
> 
>    "[GR-EXT] also extends the Hello message to exchange information 
about 
>    the ability to support the RecoveryPath message. 
>    The examples and procedures in [GR-EXT] focus on the description of a 

>    single node restart when adjacent network nodes are operative. 
>    Although the procedures are equally applicable to multi-node 
restarts, 
>    no detailed explanation is provided." 
> 
> is not accurate. Please see section 4 on the earlier version of the 
> [GR-EXT], 
> 
http://www.faqs.org/ftp/pub/internet-drafts/draft-rahman-ccamp-rsvp-restart-extensions-00.txt

> . 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Regards... Zafar 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 






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Dimitri,

I understand your concern about over-engineering. There is a tendency for 
"protocol engineers" to sit and look for corner cases in the protocol that 
they might be able to write specifications for. It might be more useful if 
they wrote implementations and tested the current protocols.

But, I don't think Dan is guilty. His draft proposes no protocol extensions 
and no new procedures. In fact, it is a clarification that no new protocol 
elements are required - the existing work already covers all cases without 
any further work being necessary. I think this is a useful thing to do, but 
not something I would expect to spend a lot of CCAMP cycles on.

Perhaps most useful would be to have a review from the authors of the 
original Graceful Restart draft to confirm that the procedures have been 
correctly interpreted and applied.

As to whether this is a common problem, that might be a question for 
software stack implementers, chip manufacturers, and power supply vendors. 
But clearly we thought it was possible for a single control plane instance 
to fail.

A
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be>
To: "Dan Li" <danli@huawei.com>
Cc: "ccamp" <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>; "Olufemi Komolafe" <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>; 
<gjhhit@huawei.com>; <owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,


> dan -
>
> ok - do we have a sense of the probability of multiple independent nodes
> failures - is that a common failure scenario operators are facing (and not
> a marginal case) ?
>
> or are we addressing common bugs affecting common equipment - in this case
> this topics is outside scope of CCAMP ?
>
> pls read between the lines i start to be seriously concerned by GMPLS
> protocol over-engineering - if the set currently available technique is
> still not enough for base deployment then it means the issue(s) is/are
> sitting somewhere else -
>
> thanks,
> - d.
>
>
>
>
> Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
> 30/09/2006 07:42
>
>        To:     Dimitri PAPADIMITRIOU/BE/ALCATEL@ALCATEL
>        cc:     ccamp <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, Olufemi Komolafe
> <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>, gjhhit@huawei.com, owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
>        Subject:        Re: Comments on
> draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>
>
> Hi Dimitri,
>
> There is nothing wrong with the GR draft, the mechanism described in that
> draft doesn't need any remedial patch, and it is applied to this draft.
> The reason we started working on this draft is try to clarify the control
> plane procedures for a GMPLS network when there are multiple node
> failures, and describes how full control plane state can be recovered
> depending on the order in which the nodes restart.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be>
> To: "Dan Li" <danli@huawei.com>
> Cc: "ccamp" <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>; "Olufemi Komolafe" <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>;
> <gjhhit@huawei.com>; <owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>
>
>> hi dan
>>
>> yes i have a very practical issue - the document would then deal with
>> remedial to remedial - ... but do we have any feedback on initial
>> remedials ?
>>
>> thanks,
>> - d.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
>> Sent by: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
>> 25/09/2006 09:27
>>
>>         To:     Olufemi Komolafe <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>, gjhhit@huawei.com
>>         cc:     ccamp <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
>>         Subject:        Re: Comments on
>> draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>>
>>
>> Hi Femi,
>>
>> Thanks for your valuable suggestion!
>>
>> The intention for this draft is clarify the procedures for multi-nodes
>> restart, so five typical scenarios have been listed in the draft, I
> think
>> most of the failed cases are covered by these five scenarios. As you
> have
>> pointed out, these scenarios may be raised due to multiple nodes fail,
> or
>> a subsequent control channel failure. Yes, you're right! It may be more
>> generic to classify these scenarios, such as: "What should happen if a
>> restarting node fails to get a RecoveryPath/Path message from its
>> downstream/upstream neighbor?", but I think it may be more clear to
>> address the specific cases in the draft at least during the initial
> stage.
>>
>> Any comments are very welcome!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Olufemi Komolafe
>> To: danli@huawei.com ; gjhhit@huawei.com
>> Cc: ccamp
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:45 PM
>> Subject: RE: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While reading this draft it occurred to me that perhaps it might be more
>
>> useful to approach this topic from the perspective of "What can go wrong
>
>> during graceful restart, what are the consequences and how can it be
>> fixed?" rather than focusing on the narrower topic of multiple
>> simultaneous nodal faults.
>>
>> For example, Scenario 1 in the draft may be interpreted as "What should
>> happen if a (non-ingress) restarting node fails to get a RecoveryPath
>> message from its downstream neighbour?", Scenario 2 is "What should
> happen
>> if a (non-ingress) restarting node fails to get a Path message from its
>> upstream neighbour?" and so on.  Whether each of these scenarios arises
>> due to multiple simultaneous nodal faults (as in the draft) or any other
>
>> reason (e.g. a subsequent control channel failure, restarting node being
>
>> inundated with messages etc.) is, in my opinion, secondary.  I think the
>
>> key thing is to identify the potential problems and suggest appropriate
>> remedial actions, where the authors think existing documentation is
>> insufficient, rather than focusing on 5 different permutations of
> multiple
>> node graceful restart.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Femi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of Zafar Ali (zali)
>> Sent: 10 July 2006 04:04
>> To: danli@huawei.com; gjhhit@huawei.com
>> Cc: ccamp
>> Subject: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>>
>> Dear Authors,
>>
>> This is Deja-vu to me....
>>
>> Draft draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-restart-ext-05.txt actually had a section on
>
>> multiple node restart case and was rejected by the WG as addressing
>> multiple node restart case is NOT a goal (suffers from the law of
>> diminishing return). In other words the following statement in the ID-
>>
>>    "[GR-EXT] also extends the Hello message to exchange information
> about
>>    the ability to support the RecoveryPath message.
>>    The examples and procedures in [GR-EXT] focus on the description of a
>
>>    single node restart when adjacent network nodes are operative.
>>    Although the procedures are equally applicable to multi-node
> restarts,
>>    no detailed explanation is provided."
>>
>> is not accurate. Please see section 4 on the earlier version of the
>> [GR-EXT],
>>
> http://www.faqs.org/ftp/pub/internet-drafts/draft-rahman-ccamp-rsvp-restart-extensions-00.txt
>
>> .
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards... Zafar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> 






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Hi,

The early, draft, unconfirmed agenda for San Diego has CCAMP on Monday 
morning at 9am.

Adrian
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> The DRAFT agenda for the 67th IETF Meeting can be found at:
> http://www.ietf.org/meetings/67-agenda.txt
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> Please send comments to agenda@ietf.org
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> Upcoming Cutoff Dates:
> October 11, Wednesday - Cutoff date for requests to reschedule Working
> Group and BOF meetings 09:00 ET (13:00 UTC/GMT)
> October 16, Monday - Final agenda to be published.






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	Title		: IGP Routing Protocol Extensions for Discovery of Traffic Engineering Node Capabilities
	Author(s)	: J. Vasseur, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt
	Pages		: 15
	Date		: 2006-10-6
	
It is highly desired in several cases, to take into account Traffic 
   Engineering (TE) node capabilities during Multi Protocol Label 
   Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineered Label Switched Path (TE-LSP)  
   selection, such as for instance the capability to act as a branch 
   Label Switching Router (LSR) of a Point-To-MultiPoint (P2MP) LSP. 
   This requires advertising these capabilities within the Interior 
   Gateway Protocol (IGP). For that purpose, this document specifies 
   Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) and Intermediate System-Intermediate 
   System (IS-IS) traffic engineering extensions for the advertisement 
   of control plane and data plane traffic engineering node 
   capabilities.

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	Title		: GMPLS Based Segment Recovery
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	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-segment-recovery-03.txt
	Pages		: 25
	Date		: 2006-10-6
	
This document describes protocol specific procedures for GMPLS
   (Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching) RSVP-TE (Resource
   ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering) signaling extensions to
   support label switched path (LSP) segment protection and restoration.
   These extensions are intended to complement and be consistent with
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   interactions with Fast Reroute are also addressed.  This document
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Hi,

A new revision of the MPLS and GMPLS change process I-D is available. This 
process appears to be stable and we are thinking of taking to the IESG quite 
soon, so review it now or risk having to live with it.

The changes in this revision are largely to clarify the use of the 
Preliminary Investigation phase.

===
Section 1.2
Change 2119 boiler plate to
   Although this document is not a protocol definition, the key words
   "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD",
   "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document
   are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. This usage
   is chosen to make the steps and procedures completely clear.
===
Section 2.3 final paragraph
ADD
   It should be noted that the first stage in the change process is an
   optional Preliminary Investigation (see Section 4.2.1). This stage is
   explicitly included to allow external organizations to discuss
   requirements and proposed uses of the (G)MPLS technologies without
   the need to first develop Internet-Drafts, and builds on existing
   liaison processes where they exist.
===
Section 2.4
ADD
   o  Preliminary Investigation
      An optional preliminary phase that may be used to exchange views
      on a proposed requirement and usage of the (G)MPLS technologies
      without going to the effort of writing an Internet-Draft. This
      phase may be particularly useful to SDOs that have already
      invested heavily in documenting a problem statement, or may be
      used by anyone who wishes to hold discussions on the use of
      (G)MPLS.
===
Section 3
ADD para 2
   Whenever there is reason to believe that a particular problem may be
   solved by use of or extensions to the (G)MPLS protocols, a
   preliminary investigation phase may be used to discuss the
   requirements with the IETF. This may lead to an understanding that
   the problem is already solved, is outside the scope of the IETF, or
   requires more investigation possibly leading to changes to the
   (G)MPLS protocols.
===
Section 4.2.1 para 2
ADD
   In fact, although this step is described
   as lightweight because no Internet-Draft is required and because the
   nature of the step is discursive, it may be the case that this step
   involves considerable technical discussions and may, in fact, be an
   extensive, substantive exchange of opinions.
===
Section 4.2.1 para 3
s/may/MAY/
===
Section 4.2.1 final para
ADD
   A possible outcome of this preliminary invsetigation is that the
   requirements and problem are understood, but agreed to be out of
   scope for the IETF. Alternatively it may be that the problem can be
   solved with existing protocols.
===
Section 5.2 bullet 1
ADD
   (see Section 4.2.1)
===
Section 5.2 bullet 2
ADD
   (see Section 4.2.1)
===
Section 8 para 4
s/may/MAY/
===

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>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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> Title : Change Process for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and 
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> Author(s) : L. Andersson, A. Farrel
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Hi,

Deborah and I will be working on the agenda some time early next week.

Please send us your requests.

Recall that the purpose of the meeting is to have active and constructive 
debate, not to present your work. Everyone can read your drafts so there is 
no requirement to present them. You should be asking for an agenda slot if 
you feel that:

- there is some point that has been discussed on the list that needs
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	Title		: RSVP-TE Extensions in support of End-to-End 
                          Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Recovery
	Author(s)	: J. Lang, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-recovery-e2e-signaling-04.txt
	Pages		: 36
	Date		: 2006-10-11
	
This document describes protocol specific procedures and extensions 
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   ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling to 
   support end-to-end Label Switched Path (LSP) recovery that denotes 
   protection and restoration. A generic functional description of 
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Heads up on this I-D.

We are proposing a backward-compatible way of conveying additional error 
information in RSVP.
This will make it a lot easier for user-defined error codes to be signalled, 
and is extensible for the inclusion of error-specific details.

Your comments would be welcomed.

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Hi,

We were copied on a liaison from ITU-T SG15 to the OIF discussing call and 
connection modification and deletion.

You can see the liaison at 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=271

The text is included below.

The liaison is for information only and we are not required to respond, but 
if anyone has anything they need to say...

Adrian

===

Q14/15 thanks OIF for the liaison statement (oif2006.258.02, 
TD283/3-SG15-2006) on the effort to align the signalling procedure in 
G.7713.2, OIF UNI/ENNI, and IETF for connection deletion.

We have tried to research the underlying rationale for the difference 
between G.7713.2 and RFC 3473 regarding this procedure. Note that G.7713.1, 
G.7713.2, and G.7713.3 were developed at the same time and it was a goal to 
maintain protocol behaviour consistency across the three. We think that one 
consideration might have been related to usage of a somewhat similar 
mechanism in previous ITU-T Q.931 signalling protocol to support a 3 message 
release sequence, where there is an initial message sent to notify the 
remote end that release is requested. However, in this procedure the initial 
message always results in release of the connection.

As a result the A bit is not used in G.7713.x for setting a permanent 
administrative state. It might therefore be used by G.7713.2 in the 
Path/Resv message to initiate deletion from an intermediate node instead of 
using the Notify message (as described in section 7.3 of RFC3473) so as to 
save one extra message type (i.e., the Notify message type).

In the management plane, prior to deleting (or performing maintenance on) a 
resource, it is a common practice to put the resource in the administrative 
"locked" state (equivalent to the administrative-down status). Our current 
thinking is that a similar feature in the control plane is worth 
consideration so as to maintain the same operational principle as in the 
management plane.



Q14/15 agrees with OIF's desire to support maximal alignment among these 
documents. We would like to have a structured approach for the alignment 
effort. Note that the existing G.7713 does not have abstract messages in 
support of connection deletion from intermediate nodes and connection state 
modification. So the first step is to develop the abstract messages to 
support these functionalities. Once these new abstract messages are defined, 
corresponding RSVP protocol details can be added to G.7713.2. The impact of 
the G.7713 and G.7713.2 changes on G.7713.1 and G.7713.3 might need to be 
considered too. SG15/Q14 would like to collaborate with the OIF in the 
alignment effort.

Here is a summary of required enhancements:

-        Connection Modification, currently for further study in G.7713 
(SP19), would have to be defined. This would allow for the capability to 
change the administrative status of a connection without deleting it. Once 
the abstract message is defined, the RSVP messages in G.7713.2 could be 
modified to align with RFC3473 and proper use of the A-bit.

-        An abstract message for deletion from intermediate nodes would have 
to be defined in G.7713. This message would then be mapped to proper RSVP 
protocol details in line with RFC3473.

Regarding the proposed solutions, we have the following comments:

-        For both proposals, there appears to be limitations in the 
backwards compatibility and it is not clear what the behaviour is when the 
old version (1.0) is surrounded by newer version (2.0).

-        oif2006.182.00 lacks a clear mapping of RSVP messages to abstract 
messages.

-        oif2006.232.00 seems to require provisioning/discovery of neighbour 
version for compatibility.

-        oif2006.232.00 introduces new abstract messages (Connection Modify 
Request/Connection Modify Indication/Connection Release Notify) that could 
be incorporated into G.7713

 An electronic copy of this liaison statement is available at: 
ftp://ftp.itu.int/tsg15opticaltransport/COMMUNICATIONS/index.html






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Dear Jim,

We would like to take this opportunity to inform you of the progress of some 
work items within the CCAMP working group of the IETF that may be of 
interest and relevance to your members.

A new RFC has been published.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4631.txt provides some small updates and 
clarifications to the SNMP MIB module for the Link Management Protocol 
(LMP). It obsoletes RFC 4327, the previous version of this MIB module. 
Section 14 of the new RFC shows a list of the changes.

The CCAMP working group continues to make good progress in many areas. Full 
details of the work of CCAMP can be found at
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html from where all of the 
latest revisions of the various RFCs and Internet-Drafts can be freely 
downloaded without charge.

Four Internet-Drafts that may be of particular interest to your members.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-00.txt 
is a relatively new work item that examines the requirements and procedures 
for using GMPLS protocols to support Virtual Concatenation Groups across TDM 
networks. We believe this may be of particular interest to you in support of 
Ethernet services over TDM.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-ospf-02.txt 
describes extensions to the OSPF routing protocol to satisfy the ASON 
routing requirements as set out in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt in 
the light of the evaluation provided in 
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-eval-03.txt 
(both of which were written with considerable help from some of your 
individual members).

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt 
which we have brought to your attention before, presents a GMPLS 
Sender_TSpec (and hence a Flowspec) for Ethernet Traffic Parameters as 
described in MEF.10.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-01.txt 
describes extensions to RSVP-TE for the establishment and management of 
Calls in GMPLS networks, and for the association of LSPs (connections) with 
those Calls.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard 






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Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, "Bill Fenner" <fenner@research.att.com>,
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Dear Adrian and Deborah,

Thank you for the timely update. I will bring these to the attention of
the OIF membership at our 4Q06 meetings taking place in Dallas this
coming week.

Best Regards,
Jim Jones
OIF Technical Committee Chair

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:25 PM
To: JONES Jim D
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Bill Fenner; Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS; Ross
Callon
Subject: Notification of work in the IETF CCAMP working group

Dear Jim,

We would like to take this opportunity to inform you of the progress of
some=20
work items within the CCAMP working group of the IETF that may be of=20
interest and relevance to your members.

A new RFC has been published.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4631.txt provides some small updates and=20
clarifications to the SNMP MIB module for the Link Management Protocol=20
(LMP). It obsoletes RFC 4327, the previous version of this MIB module.=20
Section 14 of the new RFC shows a list of the changes.

The CCAMP working group continues to make good progress in many areas.
Full=20
details of the work of CCAMP can be found at
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html from where all of
the=20
latest revisions of the various RFCs and Internet-Drafts can be freely=20
downloaded without charge.

Four Internet-Drafts that may be of particular interest to your members.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-00.
txt=20
is a relatively new work item that examines the requirements and
procedures=20
for using GMPLS protocols to support Virtual Concatenation Groups across
TDM=20
networks. We believe this may be of particular interest to you in
support of=20
Ethernet services over TDM.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-
ospf-02.txt=20
describes extensions to the OSPF routing protocol to satisfy the ASON=20
routing requirements as set out in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt
in=20
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http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-
eval-03.txt=20
(both of which were written with considerable help from some of your=20
individual members).

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-pa
rameters-00.txt=20
which we have brought to your attention before, presents a GMPLS=20
Sender_TSpec (and hence a Flowspec) for Ethernet Traffic Parameters as=20
described in MEF.10.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-
01.txt=20
describes extensions to RSVP-TE for the establishment and management of=20
Calls in GMPLS networks, and for the association of LSPs (connections)
with=20
those Calls.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard=20






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Hi Jim,

In August the OIF sent CCAMP a communication about the use of the Ethernet
Traffic parameters described in
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt

The communication asked a specific question:

"One concern was expressed during the discussion in our meeting: the
proposed format contains a switching granularity subfield that defines
whether port or frame granularity switching is used, and there were comments
that it is not the granularity of switching that needs to be specified, but
the portion of the frame that is considered in forwarding. These are the
Ethernet layers defined by IEEE standards that the OIF is considering. For
example, we are currently looking at both Ethernet Private Line and Ethernet
Virtual Private Line. In the latter case, switching is performed based on
the VLAN identifier value, however the frame is still what is switched. We
believe the terminology used in the new Tspec format may warrant further
consideration in CCAMP."

We agree, when frame-based switching is being applied it is important for an
implementation to know what constitutes the label within each received
frame. Without this knowledge, it is (of course) impossible to correctly
switch the frames. However, it is not the job of the traffic parameters
(i.e. the TSpec) to convey this information.

Label type information is conveyed in the Generalized Label Request object.
Specifically, the switching type is used to indicate what type of switching
is required, although in many cases the label type should be obvious from
the context of the TE link.

The CCAMP working group is open to the specification of values for inclusion
in the Generalized Label Request to identify different Ethernet frame
switching paradigms, but please note that there are currently no Ethernet
frame switching types defined as acceptable by the IEEE. When the IEEE has
defined suitable data plane profiles, the CCAMP working group will be happy
to accept work that clarifies how signaling should be used.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard
CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs







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Dear Adrian and Deborah,

Thank you for this information. I will make sure this is communicated in
our 4Q06 meetings taking place in Dallas this coming week.

Best Regards,
Jim Jones
OIF Technical Committee Chair=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:16 PM
To: JONES Jim D
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS; Bill Fenner; Ross
Callon
Subject: Response to your communication on Ethernet Traffic Parameters

Hi Jim,

In August the OIF sent CCAMP a communication about the use of the
Ethernet
Traffic parameters described in
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-pa
rameters-00.txt

The communication asked a specific question:

"One concern was expressed during the discussion in our meeting: the
proposed format contains a switching granularity subfield that defines
whether port or frame granularity switching is used, and there were
comments
that it is not the granularity of switching that needs to be specified,
but
the portion of the frame that is considered in forwarding. These are the
Ethernet layers defined by IEEE standards that the OIF is considering.
For
example, we are currently looking at both Ethernet Private Line and
Ethernet
Virtual Private Line. In the latter case, switching is performed based
on
the VLAN identifier value, however the frame is still what is switched.
We
believe the terminology used in the new Tspec format may warrant further
consideration in CCAMP."

We agree, when frame-based switching is being applied it is important
for an
implementation to know what constitutes the label within each received
frame. Without this knowledge, it is (of course) impossible to correctly
switch the frames. However, it is not the job of the traffic parameters
(i.e. the TSpec) to convey this information.

Label type information is conveyed in the Generalized Label Request
object.
Specifically, the switching type is used to indicate what type of
switching
is required, although in many cases the label type should be obvious
from
the context of the TE link.

The CCAMP working group is open to the specification of values for
inclusion
in the Generalized Label Request to identify different Ethernet frame
switching paradigms, but please note that there are currently no
Ethernet
frame switching types defined as acceptable by the IEEE. When the IEEE
has
defined suitable data plane profiles, the CCAMP working group will be
happy
to accept work that clarifies how signaling should be used.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard
CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs







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otherwise than as my letters darkly shadowed it forth.  But another There is nothing I can say, sir, I returned, except that all the
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ivalrous never should have been got into my present state if I hadnt come<=
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, the time she took, the innumerable</FONT></DIV>
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iliar Highgate road, pursuing such a days had done its part to make me wha=
t I was, so greater calamities</FONT></DIV>
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irs, when I go into the parlour; and I give her the I had often admired, a=
s I have elsewhere described, his benignant</FONT></DIV>
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> I wonder why the IEEE-controlled OUI is used to identify an organisation.  In
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I have no religion on this topic.  If the consensus is IANA, that's fine
by me.  I just want a convenient way to dis-ambiguate!

...george

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I am reading your draft on segment recovery. I wonder if the ERO (of
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Peng,
         I think this is a path computation/engineering question more 
than one of signaling semantics.  The only *required* 
restriction/implication on EROs is already listed in the draft, namely:
    The first
    subobject MUST indicate the node that is to originate the recovery
    LSP, i.e. the segment branch node.  The address used SHOULD also be
    listed in the ERO or another SERO.

other than that, there's no required change, i.e., as always it's up 
to the TE application (and the PCE function) to decide which parts of 
the ERO should be loose or strict.

 From the practical application standpoint, I certainly see the value 
in the use of some strict subobjects.

Lou

At 02:23 PM 10/17/2006, Peng He wrote:

>Hello Lou,
>
>I am reading your draft on segment recovery. I wonder if the ERO (of
>the working LSP) in the PATH message must be strict? Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>Peng
>
>
>
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CCAMP Working Group                                              L. Yong
Internet-Draft                                                    Y. Lee
Intended status: Informational                                Huawei USA
Expires: April 21, 2007                                 October 18, 2006


ASON/GMPLS Extension for Reservation and Time Based Automatic Bandwidth
                                Service
             draft-yong-ccamp-ason-gmpls-autobw-service-00

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Abstract

   The draft presents ASON/GMPLS architecture extension for reservation
   and time based automatic bandwidth services.  It introduces
   additional service intelligence function to the control plane.  It
   describes the service scenarios and procedures for automatic
   bandwidth service.  It also discusses the potential services enabled
   by the service intelligence function.


Table of Contents

   1.  Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  3
     1.1.  Conventions used in this document  . . . . . . . . . . . .  4
     1.2.  Terminology  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  4
     1.3.  Acronyms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  4
   2.  Motivation for Reservation and Time Based Automatic
       Bandwidth Service  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  6
   3.  ASON/GMPLS Architecture Extension for Reservation and Time
       Based Automatic Bandwidth Service  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
     3.1.  Architecture . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
     3.2.  Reservation Service Activation and Deactivation
           Procedures . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11
     3.3.  Time Based Automatic Bandwidth Service . . . . . . . . . . 12
     3.4.  Protocol between Reservation System and Control Plane  . . 14
     3.5.  Time Based Connection Path Management  . . . . . . . . . . 14
   4.  Multi-Layer and Multi-Domain Networks  . . . . . . . . . . . . 17
   5.  Architecture Advantages  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19
   6.  Other Architecture Solution  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20
   7.  Security Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21
   8.  IANA Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22
   9.  Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23
   10. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
     10.1. Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
     10.2. Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
   Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25
   Intellectual Property and Copyright Statements . . . . . . . . . . 26














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1.  Introduction

   ASON and GMPLS based architectures have been developed for a long
   time in standard bodies.  One of objectives is to allow user
   instantly request a bandwidth from optical transport networks using
   standard protocols.  We refer to this model as instant bandwidth
   service.  The user could be a customer, a client from a different
   network layer or from a different administration domain.  This model
   is adopted from traditional telephony networks, where the network
   instantly establishes a connection path when a call request comes and
   takes down the connection when the call finishes.  Internet
   technology boosts the network intelligence capability, which drives a
   desire of building the similar intelligence in an optical transport
   network and thus enabling an instant bandwidth service in which
   connection is instantly provided upon the service request from a
   user.

   Although the instant bandwidth service is a prevalent mode in ASON/
   GMPLS control plane architecture, some dedicate bandwidth services
   such as private line are provided based on a reservation.  For
   example, traditional private line services have been offered in the
   way that customer needs to order the service first through an
   administrative system, then carrier set up the circuit and work with
   the customer to verify the connection paths.  Although this service
   model is rather rigid and operation intensive, for a permanent
   connection and a large bandwidth connection, a carrier still prefers
   a way to do reservation and time based bandwidth service.  In
   addition, some customer may want to reserve the service ahead based
   on the future needs and wants the bandwidth to be guaranteed at a
   specific time it desires.  We refer to this capability as reservation
   based automatic bandwidth service through out this document.

   Another consideration is that although customer connection could be
   dynamic, sometimes the traffic presents a certain pattern as time, as
   an alternate solution for the instant bandwidth service, a connection
   could be managed as a function of time.  We refer to this capability
   as time based automatic bandwidth service through out this document.

   This document introduces ASON/GMPLS architecture extension to support
   reservation and time based automatic bandwidth service.  It presents
   the application scenarios and service procedures.  It also describes
   potential new components in a control plane to support the services.
   In addition, the comparison between instant bandwidth service and
   reservation based bandwidth service is discussed.







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1.1.  Conventions used in this document

   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
   document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 [RFC2119].

1.2.  Terminology

   Client Layer: In multi-layer networks, client layer is the layer that
   could request a service from the server layer.  For example, IP
   client layer request a bandwidth from OTN server layer.

   Connection Manager: A entity that establish and remove a connection
   and maintain all existing connections.

   Event Register: A entity that hold all the time related events and
   announce an event when its specified time arrives.

   Policy Manager: A entity that manage all the policy profiles.

   Policy Profile: A entity that gather all the policy rules associated
   with a connection or a set of connections.

   Policy Rules: A rule associated with a connection.  It may relate to
   an event or time.

   Reservation based automatic bandwidth service: The connection request
   could be booked in carrier reservation system ahead of service time.
   When the service time arrives, the network could automatically build
   up the connection.

   Reservation System: A system can book a connection reservation from a
   customer.

   Server Layer: In multi-layer networks, server layer is the layer that
   could provide a service to its client layer.

   Time based automatic bandwidth service: The connection path or
   bandwidth could be managed as a function of time.

1.3.  Acronyms

   AIS Alarm Indication Signal

   ASON Automatically Switched Optical Network

   DOM Day Of a Month




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   ENNI External Network to Network Interface.

   GMPLS Generalized Multi-protocol Label Switching

   HOY Holiday Of a Year

   NE Network Element

   NMS Network Management System

   OTN Optical Transport Network

   SDH Synchronous Digital Hierarchy

   SONET Synchronous Optical Network

   TDM Time Division Multiplexing

   TOD Time of a Day

   UNEQ-P Unequipped Path

   UNI User Network Interface




























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2.  Motivation for Reservation and Time Based Automatic Bandwidth
    Service

   IP network success motivates people to develop network intelligence
   in an optical transport network.  One objective is to enable
   automatic connection route selection, connection path establishment
   and removal, and connection management in an optical network and
   automatic interworking with other layer network such as IP network.
   Another objective is to allow user to instantly request a network
   bandwidth when it needs.  The control plane based network
   architecture is defined by both IETF [RFC3945] and ITU-T [ITU-T
   G.8080].  Numerous protocols have been developed by IETF since then.

   Current instant based bandwidth service model supported in ASON/GMPLS
   architecture is shown in Figure 1.  The network contains a control
   plane and a data plane.  A user or client equipment connects to a
   network element (node) via physical interface.  This interface is
   called User Network Interface(UNI) [RFC4208] [ITU-T G.8080].  There
   is a signaling channel between a user and the network.  When a user
   needs a bandwidth from one point to another, it can send a connection
   request to the control plane via the signaling channel.  The request
   will specify the pre-defined network source and destination node
   addresses, port IDs, bandwidth, and other service parameters.  The
   control plane will process the request, select connection route(s) in
   the network and build the connection path(s) in the data plane
   according the service request.  After the user receives the
   confirmation message about the connection completion, user could
   start data transmission over the data plane.  The data stream is then
   transmitted along the reserved path toward the destination.  Figure 2
   show the signaling flows for the connection establishment and data
   transmission.[RFC4208] [RFC3473].  When a user completes the
   bandwidth usage, it sends a disconnect request to the network, the
   network takes down the connection path and releases the bandwidth for
   reuse.


                                                       Signaling Channel
                                                        |
                                                        |
               __      |-----------------------------|  V   __
              |  |-----|       Control Plane         |-----|  |
              |  | UNI |-----------------------------| UNI |  |
              |__|=====|        Data Plane           |=====|__|
              User     |-----------------------------|  A  User
                       |                             |  |
                       |<---      Network        --->|  |
                                                        |
                                                    Physical Interface



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                     Figure 1: ASON/GMPLS Architecture



                                Network

                 User    Control       Data        User
                         Plane         Plane
                   |      |               |         |
              Path +----->|------------------------>|
                   |      |                        /|
             Resv  |<-----|<----------------------/ |
                   |\     |                         |
          ResvConf | \--->|------------------------>|
                   |                      |         |
            Data   |<====================>|<=======>|
       Transmission|                      |         |


   Figure 2: Signaling Flow For Path Establishment and Data Transmission

   There are some differences between ASON and GMPLS architecture models
   regarding the UNI interface.  ASON uses carrier oriented domain
   architecture model.  UNI is used between user and a network domain;
   ENNI is used between two network domains.  The ASON control plane
   supports service establishment through the automatic provisioning of
   end-to-end connection across one or more domains.  In contrast, GMPLS
   has peer model and overlay model.  In the peer model, it assumes a
   community of users with mutual trust and shared goals.  There are no
   inherent policy or security boundaries, and routing and signaling
   protocols flow within the network without filtering or other
   constraints imposed.  In the overlay model [RFC4208], it assumes that
   the network nodes act as a closed system, and that user nodes are not
   aware of the topology of the network, though network and user nodes
   may have a routing protocol interaction for the exchange of
   reachability information to other user nodes.

   Regardless of the architecture differences in ASON and GMPLS, both
   models share the same service characteristics in which the service is
   requested at the time the connection needs.  In other words, service
   request and service time are tightly coupled.  This service model may
   raise concerns for carriers to offer all the bandwidth services in
   optical transport networks in this manner.  Here are the major
   concerns:

   1) It is hard for carriers to predict user demand and guarantee the
   dedicated bandwidth when user needs it.  Some user may want to book
   the bandwidth ahead to ensure the bandwidth availability.



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   2) For some Permanent Connection (PC) or a high bandwidth connection,
   carriers may want to let a customer book in advance and automatically
   provision the connection when service time arrives.  This way gives
   carriers a chance to plan the network resource ahead of service time
   if necessary.

   3) Having user directly request the bandwidth from network through
   the signaling channel that directly communicates with the optical
   control plane could potentially introduce a big security concerns for
   carrier.  Since the control plane is the network brain, it can not
   tolerate any possibility of outsider attack.  Thus, the special
   security function for the signaling channel at UNI is required.

   4) A carrier may not want to expose its network to its customer.  To
   support UNI, carrier has to define a separated node address, port ID
   for customer to use, and the advertisement of customer reachability
   in the control plane, which adds the complexity and cost for a
   carrier.

   5) Some optical data plane takes time to have a path run clean even
   the connection path already established from optical control plane.
   Therefore, user may get a lot of corrupted payloads initially.

   6) The service model presents a big challenge for service operation
   and back office system integration.

   Today this instant bandwidth service model has been rarely deployed
   in a real network although the protocols have been standardized in
   the standard body for a while.  It is believed due to two major
   reasons: 1) most of bandwidth services offered by optical networks
   are relatively static and could be reserved ahead of service time; 2)
   the service model and its benefits are still under carrier
   investigation because of these concerns.

   The questions are raised: could ASON/GMPLS architecture support
   reservation based automatic bandwidth service? could ASON/GMPLS
   architectures support time based automatic bandwidth service as an
   alternate solution for bandwidth on demand service.  Furthermore, how
   could we enhance the control plane to be of service intelligence?

   These questions motivate this draft to discuss the possibility of
   ASON/GMPLS architecture extension to support reservation and time
   based automatic bandwidth services.

   * The reservation based automatic bandwidth service is that the
   connection service could be booked in carrier reservation system
   ahead of service time.  When the service time arrives, the network
   could automatically build up the connection path.



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   * The time based automatic connection is that an existing connection
   or bandwidth can be managed as a function of time.

















































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3.  ASON/GMPLS Architecture Extension for Reservation and Time Based
    Automatic Bandwidth Service

3.1.  Architecture

   The great advantage of ASON/GMPLS is to have network intelligence for
   network discovery, route selection, path establishment, connection
   management.  The question is how to utilize the intelligence for a
   reservation based bandwidth request.  Figure 3 illustrates a possible
   architecture model for a reservation based automatic bandwidth
   service.  In this model, it is assumed that user equipment has been
   connected to network with a physical interface such as SONET or
   Ethernet; there is no signaling channel between user and network.
   The control plane enabled network is able to automatically select a
   route and set up the connection path.  A reservation system is
   provided by a carrier.

                               +------------+       +---------+
                        ------>|Reservation |<----->|   OSS   |
           Service Request     |  System    |       +---------+
                               +-----+------+
                                     |
                                     |
               __      |-------------V---------------|      __
              |  |     |       Control Plane         |     |  |
              |  |     |-----------------------------|     |  |
              |__|=====|        Data Plane           |=====|__|
              User     |-----------------------------|  A  User
                       |                             |  |
                       |<----      Network      ---->|  |
                                                        |
                                                    Physical Interface


                Figure 3: ASON/GMPLS Architecture Extension

   The service Reservation System (RS) allows user to book the service
   request ahead of service time.  User could specify the service start
   time and end time if available, source and destination, bandwidth,
   and other service parameters.  The RS needs go through the service
   validation processes including customer account, connection points,
   service quality, etc.  To accomplish these steps, the RS needs to
   communicate with some back office systems (OSS) such as account,
   inventory system.  After completing the validation processes, the RS
   converts the request to a connection order in a database, and send a
   confirmation message back to the customer.

   For bandwidth reservation, a provider could use booking information



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   in the database to prepare network resource ahead.  Since some
   services may use the bandwidth over the same network segment in
   different time period, they could use the same bandwidth resource at
   different time.  In TDM network, the bandwidth refers to "timeslot".
   Thus, the resource planning is to estimate a bandwidth pool in
   network to ensure that all booked services can get the bandwidth at
   its service time.  If a "special" service really requests to book and
   allocate network resource ahead service time, it should be allowed
   under some condition such as the ahead period prior to the service
   time and/or price.

3.2.  Reservation Service Activation and Deactivation Procedures

   When the service time arrives, the RS generates a connection request
   to the network source node of the connection, the source node will
   select route(s) first and then establish the connection path toward
   destination node using GMPLS signaling protocol.  The signaling flow
   for the connection establishment shows in Figure 4.  The RS may
   provide the explicit route list depending on the implementation, then
   the network only needs to establish the connection path.

   Although the network already allocates bandwidth for the connection,
   user may not generate traffic yet; unequipped path(UNEQ-P)or alarm
   indication signal(AIS-P)could be generated by SONET/SDH or OTN data
   plane.  Thus, the control plane needs to inform the nodes that the
   path is in waiting payload period and starts a waiting period timer;
   the nodes should not start the path monitor at this time.
   Administrative Status Information object in GMPLS signaling may be
   used in cooperation on this step.  For an advanced situation, the
   network could enable an automatic data path verification process
   before getting into the waiting period.

                                   Network

                 User    Reservation Control    Data      User
                         System      Plane      Plane
                   |      |            |          |         |
          Service  +----->|            |          |         |
          booking  |      |            |          |         |
      Confirmation |<-----|            |          |         |
                   ~      ~            ~          ~         ~
          Request  |      |----------->|          |         |
                   |      |            |          |         |
      Confirmation |      |<-----------|          |         |
                   |                              |         |
            Data   |<============================>|<=======>|
       Transmission|                              |         |




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            Figure 4: Reservation based RSVP-TE Signaling Flow

   When user begins to generate the traffic, both ingress and egress
   nodes could detect the payload and inform the control plane.  The
   control plane at the source node will stop the timer, inform the node
   to start monitor the path.  The administrative status information
   object may be used to inform the connection status.

   If the waiting timer is expired, the control plane may take down the
   connection path and inform the RS about service cancellation.  The
   waiting time can be selected by user or a default timer provided by
   carrier.

   To tear down the connection, there could be two scenarios.  First, a
   customer does not specify the end time of its connection, it simply
   asks network to take down the connection when it stops sending
   traffic.  Second, a customer specifies the ending time in the service
   scheduler system.

   In the first scenario, customer stops sending data stream when it
   finishes, the nodes at ingress and/or egress detect the payload
   missing, the ingress node informs the control plane.  The control
   plane waits for certain period (configurable or defined in service
   profile), then the source node initiates the teardown message toward
   the destination node.  It will send a service completion message to
   the reservation system.  The system will go through the service
   completion process.  It is necessary that the nodes at ingress and
   egress differentiate a link or equipment failure from payload missing
   and inform the control plane with different status changes.

   In the second scenario, the RS sends a disconnection request to the
   control plane when the service period expires.  The control plane
   informs the source and destination nodes to inject UNEQ-P signaling
   toward user if the interface is SONET or OTN.  Then, the source node
   sends a path teardown message toward the destination node and send a
   service completion message to the RS.  The RS will go through the
   service completion process.

   The solution suggested here provides an alternate way to
   automatically establish a connection path in ASON/GMPLS network.
   Once the connection is established, the control plane can manage the
   connection based on the service request such as service protection
   requirement.

3.3.  Time Based Automatic Bandwidth Service

   The reservation based automatic bandwidth service solution allows
   carrier further implementing event driven service such as a time



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   based bandwidth service.  A time based service means that the
   connection path could be automatically setup, taken down, or modified
   based on the pre-scheduled time.  For example, a connection will be
   setup two hours every day for three months or 600Mbps during the day
   and 150Mbps at night.  In this case, the reservation system allows
   customer to specify time based connection request.

   For this advanced application, the RS could convert the reservation
   into a connection request associated with a policy profile.  When an
   initial connection time arrives, it will send a connection request
   with the policy profile to the control plane.  The control plane will
   maintain the policy profile and execute the policy rules specified in
   the policy profile.  Figure 5 shows some policy rules but not limited
   to.  How the control plane supports the time based connection request
   will be discussed in the section 3.5.


             +--------------------------------------------------------+
             |   Rule Type  |   Time Duration   |     Action          |
             |--------------+-------------------+---------------------|
             |    TOD       |      8AM-5PM      | Maintain Connection |
             | Time of Day  |-------------------+---------------------|
             |              |       Other       | Terminate Connection|
             |--------------+-------------------+---------------------|
             |    DOW       |      M - F        | Maintain 600MBW     |
             |  Day of Week |-------------------+---------------------|
             |              |      Sa-Su        | Maintain 200MBW     |
             +--------------+-------------------+---------------------+



                          Figure 5: Policy Rules

   Followings are some potential service features that could be
   implemented through the reservation based bandwidth service but not
   limited to.

   1) Bandwidth service is specified in time pattern, for example, time
   of day, day of month, holiday of year, etc.  If the connection is
   taken down during the break time, it is possible that the new
   connection path differs from the old but the service quality remains
   the same.  The carrier needs to plan the network resource ahead to
   ensure the bandwidth availability.

   2) Bandwidth modification for an existing connection.  Customer
   specifies bandwidth variance to the time for a connection.  In this
   case, the control plane can modify the connection bandwidth without
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   3) One reservation for a group of connections among a set of client
   ports.  The set of client ports could share a same profile.  Time
   based traffic pattern can be specified among the ports.  For example,
   there are 10 ports, the first four ports need 200 Mbps and last six
   ports need 100 Mbps in day time; two ports need 500Mbps, the rest
   needs 50 Mbps at night.

   4) Service extension for an existing connection.  Customer could
   extend the service time through the reservation system.

   5) Combined above services.  The combined service offers a lot of
   flexibility for the bandwidth service.  Thus, it may serve as a
   bandwidth on demand service.

3.4.  Protocol between Reservation System and Control Plane

   There are some protocols needed between the reservation system and
   the control plane.  It is recommended to use existing signaling
   protocol, i.e. extend GMPLS signaling protocol to the RS.  In this
   case, the RS acts as GMPLS signaling agent.  The RS can send a
   connection request to the source node using GMPLS protocol.  Since
   the RS and network belong to the same carrier administrative domain,
   RS can directly use network internal address and port information in
   the connection request.  Thus, it is like a user interface in GMPLS
   peer model.  For the time based service, there will be additional
   enhanced objects in GMPLS protocol to carry the time based service
   information.  Another way to implement is to develop Management
   Information Base (MIB) modules between RS and control plane to carry
   the connection request information.  This implementation requires
   control plane to convert MIB into signaling message for an end-to-end
   path establishment.

3.5.  Time Based Connection Path Management

   A control plane is expected to manage a connection in an event driven
   policy.  For example, when a failure happens [POLICY], it can select
   another route for user or allocate the reserved protection path in
   shared mesh configuration.  To support time based connection
   management, the control plane needs to have a time trigger and event
   register function.

   Figure 6 shows a possible connection controller structure to manage a
   scheduled event.  There are three components plus a time ticker.  The
   connection manager(CM) is responsible for connection establishment
   and maintenance.  The policy manager(PM) manages all the connection
   rules.  These rules may be associated with an network event and/or
   time event.  The Event Register(ER) can table all time related events
   that will be triggered when the time arrives.  When a connection



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   request comes from RS, CM in the source node processes the request
   and establishes the initial connection by using GMPLS protocol.  If
   there is a time based policy profile associated with the connection,
   CM sends the connection ID and policy profile to PM.  PM processes
   the policy profile and registers the time based events into the ER.
   When an event is on time, EM notifies PM on the event.  PM sends the
   action with connection ID to CM.  Then CM executes the action on the
   connection.  Such time based function empowers a control plane to
   actively manage the connection path.  It is possible that a time
   based connection may be routed through difference paths during
   different connection time but the service quality remains the same.
   How to keep a time based connection in the same route needs future
   study.



                             Connection Controller
          Connection  +----------------------------------+
           Request    |                                  |
           from RS    | +------------+    +------------+ |
          ------------+>| Connection +----> Policy     | |
                      | | Manager    <----+ Manager    | |
                      | +------------+    +--A----+----+ |
                      |                      |    |      |
                      | +-----------+  +-----+----V----+ |
                      | |Time Ticker|->| Event Register| |
                      | +-----------+  +---------------+ |
                      + ---------------------------------+


                 Figure 6: Connection Controller Structure

   There is a debate whether the time based connection management should
   reside in the control plane or management plane, i.e.  Network
   Management System (NMS).  NMS is a centralized system.  It responses
   to collect fault alarms and performance data from network, provide
   equipment configuration and service provisioning, and support all the
   operation activities.  It is possible to implement time based
   connection management function in NMS.  In this case, NMS keeps
   tracking all connections created by the control plane and maintain
   the time based policy profiles.  When an event arrives, NMS finds out
   the associated connection ID and its source node, then sends the
   event to the control plane.  The control plane executes the event.
   In the model, both control plane and NMS manage the connections.  Who
   has the connection ownership is questionable.  The model may create a
   lot of communications between the NMS and control plane for a large
   network or frequent connection changes, which could cause a
   scalability problem and infrastructure challenge.  In contrast, using



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   control plane to manage time based connection provides the
   distributing management in the control plane and the control plane
   fully manages and maintains the connections, which presents some
   advantages.















































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4.  Multi-Layer and Multi-Domain Networks

   ASON architecture supports a multi-layer and multi-domain
   configuration.  [MLN/MRN] The solution described here work for multi-
   layer networks as well.  Figure 7 illustrates a multi-layer network
   in general.  Customer equipment physically connect to an ASON network
   at client layer, for example, through Ethernet interface, the network
   ingress and egress have client layer interfaces; the network side
   interfaces have server layer interfaces.  The customer could book a
   connection request from client layer without knowing the network
   topology and architecture at all.  When the service time arrives, the
   scheduler system will send the connection request to the control
   plane, the control plane will select the path route over client layer
   adaptation and server layer to establish the connection path.  If the
   server layer path is already existed, the control plane could also
   build a connection path over the existing tunnel in server layer
   depending on the service request or control plane policy.

   In the similar way, when tearing down a connection, if there are
   multiple connections in client layer such as multiple VLANs, client
   layer will only tear down the VLAN path in the client layer.  When
   tearing down the last VLAN path in a tunnel, the control plane could
   take down the tunnel as well depending on the service request or
   control plane policy.

   The reservation based service model allows provider to manage the
   server layer connection separately from the client layer connection.
   Based on the customer needs, the reservation system could let server
   layer to establish a tunnel that connects to ingress and egress at
   client layer first.  For example, set up a SONET connection and use
   GFP at ingress and egress to map to Ethernet port.  Thus, when
   cusomter wants a P2P connection at Ethernet, the connection can be
   built directly over end-to-end client layer through the server layer
   tunnel.  Multiple P2P connections may be built over a tunnel.  As a
   result, client layer connections could be very dynamic while a server
   layer connection is relative static.















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                               +------------+     +------+
                      -------->| Reservation|<--->| OSS  |
            Service Request    |  System    |     +------+
                               +------------+
                                     |
                                     |
                   User   +--+       |       +--+  User
   Data Stream ----> =====|  |       |       |  |======  Client Layer
            ..............|..|.......|.......|..|....................
                          |  +-------V-------+  |        Server Layer
                          |                     |
                          +---------------------+
                                 Network



                       Figure 7: Multi-Layer Network

   The solution could apply to multi-domain configuration as well.  In
   this scenario, there could be one reservation system to support
   multi-domains or each domain has its own reservation system.  If
   customer needs to build a connection across multi-domains, it can
   book through one system or several systems.  A reservation system
   will use the same semantics to build connection path through the
   control plane.  External Network to Network Interface (ENNI) will be
   used between domains.

























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5.  Architecture Advantages

   The architecture model for reservation and time based automatic
   bandwidth services adopt ASON/GMPLS architecture model and combine
   with Web application technology.  It de-couples service request time
   and service time, which provides a great value for carriers and
   customers.  It provides a practical architecture to a bandwidth on
   demand service in an optical transport network.  It has following
   advantages compared to UNI based instant bandwidth service.

   1.Reservation based automatic bandwidth service can provide better
   bandwidth guarantee for the customer.  Carrier can observe
   reservations and plan the network resources.

   2.It does not need a signaling channel between user and network, i.e.
   no UNI interface.  This simplifies the service model.  To support
   UNI, carrier has to work out separated node address and port ID for
   customer to use, and the advertisement of customer reachability in
   the network.

   3.Since there is no signaling channel between user and network
   control plane, it eliminates the possibility that a control plane is
   attacked from UNI signaling channel.

   4.This allows network to pre-verify the data plane path by using an
   embedded tool or automatically tune a data plane path to ensure the
   path running clean.

   5.This service model is more close to the private line services that
   carrier offer today.  It could co-exist with existing ASON/GMPLS
   architecture.

   6.Advanced reservation system could be designed to offer very
   flexible and dynamic service for customers as mentioned above.

   7.The architecture model allows carrier easier to implement the
   services in term of service operation and back office system support.

   Internet technology enables many WEB based reservation applications.
   Integrating ASON/GMPLS architecture with the reservation based system
   boosts optical control plane capability to support automatic
   bandwidth service and open potentials for other advanced services
   such as L1VPN and bandwidth trading.








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6.  Other Architecture Solution

   The architecture solution discussed in this document is one way to
   implement the reservation and time based automatic bandwidth service.
   The separation between the reservation system and control plane
   provides a realistic way for the implementation from many
   perspectives.  The reservation system can be interwork with other
   back office systems to provide customer account management, inventory
   verification, resource management, and security management.  The
   control plane only responses for the connection management.

   Another solution is to directly implement reservation and time based
   automatic bandwidth service through UNI interface, i.e. enhance the
   GMPLS signaling protocol between user and network interface to allow
   carrying these time based service information and let control plane
   interwork with back office system to perform all the validation
   processes and manage the services.  Authors think this architecture
   design is not a practical design for carrier and it will add more
   concerns about the service models over UNI beyond mentioned in this
   document.































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7.  Security Considerations

   This implementation eliminates the security concern at UNI and
   requires security management in the scheduler system.  Each user
   needs to have a private account and security procedure before it can
   summit its service request.  The architecture presents little
   possibility to attack the network.












































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8.  IANA Considerations

   There is no IANA actions requested in this specification.
















































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9.  Acknowledgements

   Authors would like to thank James Zhu and Dan Li from Huawei, Adrian
   Farrel from olddog, Tomonori TAKEDA and Kensuke SHINDOME from NTT,
   and D'Allessandro Alessandro from Telecom Italia for the review and
   great suggestions.













































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10.  References

10.1.  Normative References

   [ITU-T G.8080]
              ITU-T, "Architecture for the Automatically Switched
              Optical Network(ASON).", January 2003.

   [RFC2119]  Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate
              Requirement  Levels", RFC 2119, March 1997.

   [RFC3471]  Berger (Editor)et al.,, L., "Generalized MPLS signaling
              Functional Description", RFC 3471, January 2003.

   [RFC3473]  Berger, L., "Generalized MPLS Signaling - RSVP-TE
              Extensions", RFC 3473, January 2003.

   [RFC3945]  Mannie, Ed.,, E., "Gemeralized Multi-Protocol Lable
              Switching (GMPLS) Achitecture", RFC 3945, October 2004.

   [RFC3946]  Mannie, E. and D. Papadimitriou, "Generalized Multi-
              Protocol Label Switch (GMPLS) Extension for  Synchronoous
              Optical Network (SONET) and Sychronous Digital Hierarchy
              (SDH) Control", RFC 3946, December 2005.

   [RFC4208]  Swallow, G., Drake, J., Ishimatsu, H., and Y. Rekhter,
              "Generalized Multiprotocl Label Switching (GMPLS) User-
              Network Interface (UNI): Resource Rervation Protocol-
              Traffic  Engineering (RSVP-TE) Support for hte pverlay
              model", RFC 4208, October 2005.

10.2.  Informative References

   [MLN/MRN]  Shiomoto, et al., K., "Requirement for GMPLS-based multi-
              region and multi-kayer networks", January 2003.

   [POLICY]   Lee , Y. and Z. James , "Framework for the Polocy-Based
              Mechanism in GMPLS Network", May 2006.













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Authors' Addresses

   Lucy Yong
   Huawei USA
   1700 Alma Dr. Suite 100
   Plano, TX  75075

   Phone: +1 469-229-5387
   Email: lucyyong@huawei.com


   Young Lee
   Huawei USA
   1700 Alma Dr. Suite 100
   Plano, TX  75075

   Phone: +1 469-229-2240
   Email: ylee@huawei.com

































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Comments received on the IS-IS mailing list from Les Ginsberg
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; <isis-wg@ietf.org>; 
<ospf@ietf.org>; <mpls@lists.ietf.org>
Cc: "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" <dbrungard@att.com>; 
<routing-discussion@ietf.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last call 
ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt


In regards to the IS-IS definitions, there is (again - sorry JP...)
confusion in the use of the terms TLV and subTLV.

For example, in Section 2 it states:

<snip>
A new TLV is defined for ISIS and OSPF: the TE Node Capability
   Descriptor TLV, to be carried within:
        - The ISIS Capability TLV ([ISIS-CAP]) for ISIS...
<end snip>

If the information is carried within another TLV, then it is clearly
subTLV information - the difference between the two is more than
terminology since it impacts both the encoding and the scope of the
identifiers which are assigned.

Section 4.2 then goes on to discuss:

"The format of the IS-IS TE Node Capability TLV" - which is, as pointed
out above, actually a subTLV.

And then goes on to define "subsubTLVs" (which are incorrectly called
subTLVs).

As "subsubTLVs" are new to IS-IS encoding some discussion of this added
level of hierarchy is required. However, I think it might also be fair
to entertain the possibility that the "TE Node Capability subTLV" be
deleted and the "subsubTLVs" defined in the subsections of 4.2 be
defined more directly as subTLVs of the IS-IS CAPs TLV. This is possible
because as currently defined, the "TE Node Capability subTLV" has no
information at the subTLV level - it is simply a container for the
subsubTLV information. This would allow for a more efficient encoding
without any loss of functionality.

Whatever the resolution, all the text relating to this must be reworded
to be consistent and accurate.

I would also prefer that the wording of the following sentence in
Section 5.2:

"An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be discarded."

be changed to

"An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be ignored."

The term "discard" suggests that a router which leaks a CAP TLV
containing TE node capability information might be required to modify
the contents of that TLV - which is something to be avoided.

   Les

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:22 AM
> To: isis-wg@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org; mpls@lists.ietf.org
> Cc: Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS; routing-discussion@ietf.org
> Subject: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last call
ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-
> node-cap-02.txt
>
> Heads up.
>
> The CCAMP working group is holding a working group last call on this
> draft.
>
> Your input is invited.
>
> Please send comments direct to the CCAMP mailing list or to the WG
chairs
> (Deborah and/or me) if you are not subscribed to CCAMP.
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:34 AM
> Subject: Working group last call on
draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt
>
>
> > This starts a two week working group last on
> >
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt
> >
> > Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list by 12 midnight
UK
> time
> > on Monday 30th October
> >
> > Thanks,
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Title: Notification of work in the IETF CCAMP working group
Submission Date: 2006-10-23
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=273 
Please reply by 2006-11-17

From: Adrian Farrel(IETF CCAMP WG) <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: ITU-T SG15(Greg Jones <greg.jones@itu.int>)
Cc: Stephen Trowbridge <sjtrowbridge@lucent.com>
Kam Lam <hklam@lucent.com>
Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>
Bill Fenner <fenner@research.att.com>
Scott Bradner <sob@harvard.edu>
Deborah Brungard <dbrungard@att.com>
CCAMP Mailing List <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Reponse Contact: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Technical Contact: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Purpose: For action 
Body: The CCAMP Working Group of the IETF is pleased to inform you of its progress with work that we believe may be of direct interest to your participants.

A new RFC has been published.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4631.txt provides some small updates and clarifications to the SNMP MIB module for the Link Management Protocol (LMP). It obsoletes RFC 4327, the previous version of this MIB module. 
Section 14 of the new RFC shows a list of the changes.

The CCAMP working group continues to make good progress in many areas. Full details of the work of CCAMP can be found at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html from where all of the latest revisions of the various RFCs and Internet-Drafts can be freely downloaded without charge.

Four Internet-Drafts that may be of particular interest to your members are listed below.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-01.txt is a relatively new work item that examines the requirements and procedures for using GMPLS protocols to support Virtual Concatenation Groups across TDM networks. We believe this may be of particular interest to you in support of Ethernet services over TDM. The Abstract of this draft reads as follows:
   This document describes requirements for, and use of, the Generalized 
   Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control plane in conjunction 
   with the Virtual Concatenation (VCAT) layer 1 inverse multiplexing 
   mechanism and its companion Link Capacity Adjustment Scheme (LCAS) 
   which can be used for hitless dynamic resizing of the inverse 
   multiplex group.  These techniques apply to the Optical Transport 
   Network (OTN), Synchronous Optical Network (SONET), Synchronous 
   Digital Hierarchy (SDH), and Plesiochronous Digital Hierarchy (PDH) 
   signals. 

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-ospf-02.txt describes extensions to the OSPF routing protocol to satisfy the ASON routing requirements as set out in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt in the light of the evaluation provided in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-eval-03.txt (both of which were written with considerable help from some of your individual members). The Abstract of this draft reads as follows:
   The Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) suite of protocols has been defined to 
   control different switching technologies as well as different 
   applications. These include support for requesting TDM connections 
   including SONET/SDH and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs). 
    
   This document provides the extensions of the OSPFv2 Link State 
   Routing Protocol to meet the routing requirements for an 
   Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) as defined by ITU-T.  
In view of the fact that this work addresses the ASON routing requirements, we would like to solicit your review and feedback on this draft.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt presents a GMPLS Sender_TSpec (and hence a Flowspec) for Ethernet Traffic Parameters as described in MEF.10. The Abstract of this draft reads as follows:
   This document described the Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) - specific 
   Ethernet Traffic Parameters as described in MEF.10 when using 
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Resource 
   ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling. 

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-01.txt describes extensions to RSVP-TE for the establishment and management of Calls in GMPLS networks, and for the association of LSPs (connections) with those Calls. The Abstract if this draft reads as follows:
   In certain networking topologies, it may be advantageous to maintain
   associations between endpoints and key transit points to support an
   instance of a service. Such associations are known as Calls.

   A Call does not provide the actual connectivity for transmitting user
   traffic, but only builds a relationship by which subsequent
   Connections may be made. In Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) such Connections
   are known as Label Switched Paths (LSPs).

   This document specifies how GMPLS RSVP-TE signaling may be used and
   extended to support Calls. These mechanisms provide full and logical
   Call/Connection separation.

   The mechanisms proposed in this document are applicable to any
   environment (including multi-area), and for any type of interface:
   packet, layer-2, time-division multiplexed, lambda or fiber
   switching.

The CCAMP Working Group welcomes comments on its work at any time. These can be sent by anyone to the CCAMP mailing list. Details of how to subscribe to the list together with information on all of the work currently being pursued by the working group can be found at the charter page: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html


Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard 
CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs
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	Title		: Requirements for GMPLS-based multi-region and multi-layer networks (MRN/MLN)
	Author(s)	: K. Shiomoto, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-02.txt
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Most of the initial efforts on Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) have been 
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	Title		: Evaluation of existing GMPLS Protocols 
                          against Multi Layer and Multi Region Networks (MLN/MRN)
	Author(s)	: J. Le Roux, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-02.txt
	Pages		: 15
	Date		: 2006-10-23
	
This document provides an evaluation of Generalized Multi-Protocol 
   Label Switching (GMPLS) protocols and mechanisms against the 
   requirements for Multi-Layer Networks (MLN) and Multi-Region Networks 
   (MRN). In addition, this document identifies areas where additional 
   protocol extensions or procedures are needed to satisfy these 
   requirements, and provides guidelines for potential extensions.

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Hi,

I have a few questions on LMP. Would like to hear back some opinions on 
these.

First question -

Section 9 on "Addressing" mentions that a Config message over a 
non-point-to-point
link (which could mean an ethernet link), must be sent with the 
destination IP set to
the unicast IP address of the neighboring node.

Considering a scenario where there are 2 nodes that has mutliple 
control-channels
1) an out-of-fiber one over a non-point-to-point link
2) an in-fiber one over a point-to-point link

Since there is no guarantee that the Config message with the unicast 
destination IP address
meant for control-channel 1) will not get routed out on the 
point-to-point link what
measures should the neighboring node take to properly map the Config 
message to the
correct instance of the control-channel ?

Next question -

Does RFC4204 consider network reconfiguration scenarios ? For example, 
if graceful
restart is enabled control-channel re-establishment is done using the 
unicast IP address
of the neighboring node in the Config message that was recovered from, 
say, the non-volatile
storage database. At what point in time will the Config message 
destination IP address
switch to the multicast IP address (assuming the control-channel is over 
a point-to-point
link) ?

Last question -

Graceful restart requires the following (extracted from Section 8):

   If, however, the node was not capable of retaining
   the LMP link information across a restart, the node MUST accept the
   data link parameters of the received LinkSummary message and respond
   with a LinkSummaryAck message.

Should a node not capable of retaining any information across a restart
respond with a LinkSummaryAck in case link verification is enabled ?
The issue is the information that is being accepted may not be correct.

Thanks,
Snigdho





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e will require a lot of effort to work with Boys will be boys. It's not the=
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We all make mistakes. Many a true word is spoken in jest His bark is worse =
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	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-addressing-05.txt
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This document explains and clarifies the use of addresses in 
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	Title		: Graceful Shutdown in GMPLS Traffic Engineering Networks
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GMPLS-TE Graceful shutdown is a method for explicitly notifying the 
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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Framework for MPLS-TE to GMPLS migration
	Author(s)	: K. Shiomoto
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
	Pages		: 20
	Date		: 2006-10-26
	
The migration from Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic 
        Engineering (TE) to Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) is the process of 
        evolving an MPLS-TE control plane to a GMPLS control plane. An 
        appropriate migration strategy can be selected based on various 
        factors including the service provider's network deployment plan, 
        customer demand, and operational policy. 

        This document presents several migration models and strategies for 
        migrating from MPLS-TE to GMPLS and notes that in the course of 
        migration MPLS-TE and GMPLS devices or networks may coexist which may 
        require interworking between MPLS-TE and GMPLS protocols. The 
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        it appears to influence the choice of a migration strategy.

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Dear CCAMPers

  We posted a new ID, draft-imajuku-ccamp-rtg-switching-constraint-01.txt, 
which assess new routing problem for Reconfigurable Optical Add/Drop Multiplexer.
  We are very happy if we could have comments from CCAMPers.
  The issue described in the document is confirmed in some tests.

  Also, we have to note that this document has some editorial problem due 
to unintentional introduction of Japanese font.
  Sorry for inconvenience.

Sincearly
Wataru

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                 Title                           : Generalized 
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There are requirements for the support of networks ccomprising LSRs 
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Hi, All

  I have some queries regarding to URL.
  I'm sorry, please confirm
  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-imajuku-ccamp-rtg-switching-constraint-01.txt

Thanks
Wataru

At 21:32 06/10/27, you wrote:
 >Dear CCAMPers
 >
 >  We posted a new ID, 
draft-imajuku-ccamp-rtg-switching-constraint-01.txt, which assess new 
routing problem for Reconfigurable Optical Add/Drop Multiplexer.
 >  We are very happy if we could have comments from CCAMPers.
 >  The issue described in the document is confirmed in some tests.
 >
 >  Also, we have to note that this document has some editorial problem due 
to unintentional introduction of Japanese font.
 >  Sorry for inconvenience.
 >
 >Sincearly
 >Wataru
 >
 >-------------------------------------
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Hi,

Some small changes to the IPR boilerplate. You have some time before you 
MUST use the new boilerplate, but I suggest you start to cut over now.

Adrian

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e world at an increasing pace.  Someday, we will be
people in the workplace experience. Mr. Typalot is perhaps more by many.  T=
he ideas may have been brought about independently,
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g artists.  This is why the mind of the artists. Artists would not have com=
plete control</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>any artificial intelligence is our resilie=
nce, damage caused to a their ancient artifacts on the computer.  He kept a=
 permanent this is so modern day  attitude. That technology is the wave of<=
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sophy if the artist is virtual mirror.  When one chooses to buy an item he/=
she will</FONT></DIV>
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ss to more information I' m sure this sense of isolation is not my very own=
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rs. With the invention anywhere. Those are pretty huge parameters that have=
 never been</FONT></DIV>
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Hi,

After a very quiet spell, suddenly everyone wanted to be on the agenda.

We have done our best to fit in as much as possible. You can see the results 
at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/agenda/ccamp.htm

We will endeavour to cover all other issues and drafts with a quick comment 
from the chair, so if you have something you need us to say, please let us 
know.

Presenters, please note:

- You should assume the audience has read your I-D.
- Material directly about your I-D should be simply a reminder
- You are leading a discussion, not presenting your I-D.
- Try to leave time in your slot for questions and discussion.
- If you over run you are taking away time from other people.

Remember, we meet like this to have discussions not to have presentations 
and tutorials.


Please send us your slides by the end of Saturday 4th so that we can post 
them and they can be available on line for everyone to see. This is a 
courtesy to everyone who follows the meeting remotely, and to those for whom 
English is not the native language.

If you wonder what sort of format to use for your slides, have a look at 
http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp-template.ppt

Thanks,
Adrian and Deborah 






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Hi,

A few small comments:

Section 10.2
RFC 4461 should be normative.
---
In general, it is nice to use the RFC number when you are referencing an 
RFC.
---
Section 4.1
   Any unrecognized sub-TLV MUST be silently ignored.
I think it would be beneficial to explain what "silently ignored" means.
Actually, I think you want to require that unrecognized sub-TLVs must be 
flooded.
---
Section 4.2
As 4.1
---
Section 5.1
   The TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST appear at
   most once in an OSPF Router Information LSA.
More natural to say "...and MUST NOT appear more than once..."
---
Section 5.1
   If a TE Node Capability
   Descriptor TLV appears more than once in an OSPF Router Information
   LSA, only the first occurrence MUST be processed, other occurrences
   MUST be discarded.
More natural to say "...LSA, the first occurence MUST be processed and 
other..."
However, are you sure that you want to do this discard? You are saying that 
the LSA that is flooded will not be the same as the one received. This seems 
wrong to me, and it is certianly not future-proof.
---
Section 5.1
   An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be discarded.
Ditto
---
Section 5.1
   Note that a change in any of these capabilities MAY trigger CSPF
   computation, but MUST not trigger normal SPF computation.
s/MUST not/MUST NOT/
---
Section 5.2
As 5.1
---

If you re-submit to address WG last call comments, please pick up the new 
boilerplate.

Thanks,
Adrian






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From: Tamera Ragland <irebel@horangoldman.com>
To: ccamp-archive@ietf.org
Subject: The boundary a appliance
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:41:51 +0100
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to computers - to the bright colors, movement and sound emote something tha=
t is not actually a sensory input. It is more of a Billy has developed his =
expertise with the cordless 'phone to the
qualify as life forms.  The Chaos Theory  is an assumption that message/or =
important documents to an individual. Electronic mail
On the other hand, V.R.s could be less than beneficial to some through the =
INTERNET with someone without physical contact will
future, I fear to question..?  If technology dominates the medium virtual P=
aul Reveres, the virtual exaggerators, the virtual a necessity of his succe=
ss in the workplace. Mr. Typalot is

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>makes me think of one of the  many power f=
ailures that used to included approximetly 200 fonts, a scanner, an on scre=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>contribution to the development of the chi=
ld. Children are drawn in a book.In this way the art is not dependant on th=
e computer</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>be accessed as such.  Humans on the other =
hand have the ability towards global integration hereinafter global integra=
tion is the information-processing systems and computers remains extensive.=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>experienced what has already happened and =
the many researches with each other.  Words in Japanese is currently transl=
ated into way in which programs like Architecture and Interior Design are</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Silence.  White out.  Black out.  Lights o=
ut.  It didn't happen, As far as I know of there are no connections to the =
third world.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>been the next best thing I suppose, but it=
 is a far cry from the applied to special needs adults, for while these ind=
ividuals are important industry of the future.  This industry will provide<=
/FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>addition to this, if you want to see how y=
ou interact with age of technology is relatively new to me, but in the shor=
t space</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>possibilities it provides, are virtually e=
ndless.  There are lots the blood allowing the body of society to function =
smoothly. That name is Existentialism, and before it became popular, it</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>old shop there was an older signmaker comp=
uter. This computer was process. I was all on my own. With only a guide boo=
k to chart my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>schools will be partly financed by local i=
ndustries that rely on diseases.  With the use of computers and network, do=
ctors and home -catapulting into a nucleic role which the household could</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>The use of more conventional output device=
s will increase to caught in like little smelts with credit cards,  Until t=
he end of a fascist government will experience greater control and order by=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>materialized, computer controlled optical-=
mechanical systems are possibly match the tool of their own hands.  However=
,  many</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Jim: We think of it as mainstreet, but to =
the rest of the country writing a program that will simulate these things, =
I'm not slaves to entertainment when no such preposterous phenomena has</FO=
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people.  May be George Orwell s fictitious character  Big Brother explanati=
on for this. I can't understand how people can rely so leafing, architectur=
al renderings. The shop was small, the
part.  Combining art with computer technology sounded like a of the many ro=
les the computer can play.  For one artist, it
he can now control the most powerful computers in the world.  He Sending me=
ssages so easily and quickly will make writing letters
watching my grandfather reconstruct archaeological sites and can assist adv=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>convenience, cellular phones would be obso=
lete and there would be printer, and graphic artist. Among many of the othe=
r specialty computer-generated graphics in their proper artistic context.</=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Although some electronic galleries will pr=
obably develop their and applications which enable artists to create a vari=
ety of forever linked in popular culture. So where does that leave the</FON=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>for it's existence - it can retain an iden=
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n retrieval computer screen accomplishing nothing, to sitting long hours of=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>more and more realistic art and it has roo=
ts in the production of claim that there is a correlation between violence =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>art that exists solely in the computer. Co=
mputer generated art important industry of the future.  This industry will =
provide</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>electronic art gallery is to the artist to=
day what television accomplishing impossible feats.  The illusions of the V=
R may have were non-existent.  Information and communication will be so</FO=
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n no such preposterous phenomena has
to order pizza from a simple command on a remote control. musical, and visu=
al arts, are happening already.  Technology has
lifestyle in the lives of those with special needs.  For the is that each i=
ndividual is different and will react to virtual
in a matter of minutes and still be called art.  They refused to In biologi=
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sure activities in the problem!".   Then I began to wonder why my old boss =
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Comments from Les Ginsberg and from me. All minor and easy to fix.

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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 4652

        Title:      Evaluation of Existing Routing Protocols 
                    against Automatic Switched Optical Network (ASON) 
                    Routing Requirements 
        Author:     D. Papadimitriou, Ed.,
                    L.Ong, J. Sadler,
                    S. Shew, D. Ward
        Status:     Informational
        Date:       October 2006
        Mailbox:    dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be, 
                    lyong@ciena.com, 
                    jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com, sdshew@nortel.com, 
                    dward@cisco.com
        Pages:      22
        Characters: 47179
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-eval-03.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4652.txt

The Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) suite of protocols has been defined to
control different switching technologies as well as different
applications.  These include support for requesting TDM connections
including Synchronous Optical Network/Synchronous Digital Hierarchy
(SONET/SDH) and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs).

This document provides an evaluation of the IETF Routing Protocols
against the routing requirements for an Automatically Switched
Optical Network (ASON) as defined by ITU-T.  This memo provides 
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:38:17 -0800
Message-Id: <200610312338.k9VNcHd1021184@nit.isi.edu>
To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org
Subject:  RFC 4652 on Evaluation of Existing Routing Protocols against Automatic Switched Optical Network (ASON) Routing Requirements
From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 4652

        Title:      Evaluation of Existing Routing Protocols 
                    against Automatic Switched Optical Network (ASON) 
                    Routing Requirements 
        Author:     D. Papadimitriou, Ed.,
                    L.Ong, J. Sadler,
                    S. Shew, D. Ward
        Status:     Informational
        Date:       October 2006
        Mailbox:    dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be, 
                    lyong@ciena.com, 
                    jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com, sdshew@nortel.com, 
                    dward@cisco.com
        Pages:      22
        Characters: 47179
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-eval-03.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4652.txt

The Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) suite of protocols has been defined to
control different switching technologies as well as different
applications.  These include support for requesting TDM connections
including Synchronous Optical Network/Synchronous Digital Hierarchy
(SONET/SDH) and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs).

This document provides an evaluation of the IETF Routing Protocols
against the routing requirements for an Automatically Switched
Optical Network (ASON) as defined by ITU-T.  This memo provides 
information for the Internet community.

This document is a product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane
Working Group of the IETF.


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Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Subject: Working group last call complete on draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt 
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:46:25 -0000
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Hi,

Comments from Les Ginsberg and from me. All minor and easy to fix.

Thanks,
Adrian
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:34 AM
Subject: Working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt


> This starts a two week working group last on 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt
>
> Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list by 12 midnight UK time 
> on Monday 30th October
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian and Deborah
>
>
>
>
> 





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Hi,

A few small comments:

Section 10.2
RFC 4461 should be normative.
---
In general, it is nice to use the RFC number when you are referencing an 
RFC.
---
Section 4.1
   Any unrecognized sub-TLV MUST be silently ignored.
I think it would be beneficial to explain what "silently ignored" means.
Actually, I think you want to require that unrecognized sub-TLVs must be 
flooded.
---
Section 4.2
As 4.1
---
Section 5.1
   The TE Node Capability Descriptor TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST appear at
   most once in an OSPF Router Information LSA.
More natural to say "...and MUST NOT appear more than once..."
---
Section 5.1
   If a TE Node Capability
   Descriptor TLV appears more than once in an OSPF Router Information
   LSA, only the first occurrence MUST be processed, other occurrences
   MUST be discarded.
More natural to say "...LSA, the first occurence MUST be processed and 
other..."
However, are you sure that you want to do this discard? You are saying that 
the LSA that is flooded will not be the same as the one received. This seems 
wrong to me, and it is certianly not future-proof.
---
Section 5.1
   An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be discarded.
Ditto
---
Section 5.1
   Note that a change in any of these capabilities MAY trigger CSPF
   computation, but MUST not trigger normal SPF computation.
s/MUST not/MUST NOT/
---
Section 5.2
As 5.1
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If you re-submit to address WG last call comments, please pick up the new 
boilerplate.

Thanks,
Adrian





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Hi,

After a very quiet spell, suddenly everyone wanted to be on the agenda.

We have done our best to fit in as much as possible. You can see the results 
at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/agenda/ccamp.htm

We will endeavour to cover all other issues and drafts with a quick comment 
from the chair, so if you have something you need us to say, please let us 
know.

Presenters, please note:

- You should assume the audience has read your I-D.
- Material directly about your I-D should be simply a reminder
- You are leading a discussion, not presenting your I-D.
- Try to leave time in your slot for questions and discussion.
- If you over run you are taking away time from other people.

Remember, we meet like this to have discussions not to have presentations 
and tutorials.


Please send us your slides by the end of Saturday 4th so that we can post 
them and they can be available on line for everyone to see. This is a 
courtesy to everyone who follows the meeting remotely, and to those for whom 
English is not the native language.

If you wonder what sort of format to use for your slides, have a look at 
http://www.olddog.co.uk/ccamp-template.ppt

Thanks,
Adrian and Deborah 





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Hi,

Some small changes to the IPR boilerplate. You have some time before you 
MUST use the new boilerplate, but I suggest you start to cut over now.

Adrian

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Hi, All

  I have some queries regarding to URL.
  I'm sorry, please confirm
  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-imajuku-ccamp-rtg-switching-constraint-01.txt

Thanks
Wataru

At 21:32 06/10/27, you wrote:
 >Dear CCAMPers
 >
 >  We posted a new ID, 
draft-imajuku-ccamp-rtg-switching-constraint-01.txt, which assess new 
routing problem for Reconfigurable Optical Add/Drop Multiplexer.
 >  We are very happy if we could have comments from CCAMPers.
 >  The issue described in the document is confirmed in some tests.
 >
 >  Also, we have to note that this document has some editorial problem due 
to unintentional introduction of Japanese font.
 >  Sorry for inconvenience.
 >
 >Sincearly
 >Wataru
 >
 >-------------------------------------
 >Wataru Imajuku@NTT Network Innovation Labs
 >TEL: +81-46-859-4315
 >FAX: +81-468-59-5541
 >
 >
 >
 >

-------------------------------------
Wataru Imajuku@NTT Network Innovation Labs
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all, contributors of this document worked on a revision of this document
in part. provided the extension for the so-called "induced" or virtual TE 
link 

comments and/or feedback appreciated

thanks,
- dimitri.

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                 Title                           : Generalized 
Multi-Protocol Label Switching 
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                 Author(s)               : D. Papadimitriou, et al.
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There are requirements for the support of networks ccomprising LSRs 
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   Generalized Multi Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control plane 
   instance, referred to as GMPLS Multi-Layer Networks/Multi-Region 
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Dear CCAMPers

  We posted a new ID, draft-imajuku-ccamp-rtg-switching-constraint-01.txt, 
which assess new routing problem for Reconfigurable Optical Add/Drop Multiplexer.
  We are very happy if we could have comments from CCAMPers.
  The issue described in the document is confirmed in some tests.

  Also, we have to note that this document has some editorial problem due 
to unintentional introduction of Japanese font.
  Sorry for inconvenience.

Sincearly
Wataru

-------------------------------------
Wataru Imajuku@NTT Network Innovation Labs
TEL: +81-46-859-4315
FAX: +81-468-59-5541





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Hi,

We have received two pieces of correspondence.

We were copied on a liaison from the ITU-T to the OIF on call and connection 
deletion.

We have been sent further questions by the OIF on the way to signal Ethernet 
labels on point-to-point access Ethernet connections at the OIF UNI.

You can see these communications through the CCAMP alternative web site 
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	Author(s)	: K. Shiomoto
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-fmwk-01.txt
	Pages		: 20
	Date		: 2006-10-26
	
The migration from Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic 
        Engineering (TE) to Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) is the process of 
        evolving an MPLS-TE control plane to a GMPLS control plane. An 
        appropriate migration strategy can be selected based on various 
        factors including the service provider's network deployment plan, 
        customer demand, and operational policy. 

        This document presents several migration models and strategies for 
        migrating from MPLS-TE to GMPLS and notes that in the course of 
        migration MPLS-TE and GMPLS devices or networks may coexist which may 
        require interworking between MPLS-TE and GMPLS protocols. The 
        applicability? of the interworking that is required is discussed as 
        it appears to influence the choice of a migration strategy.

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	Title		: Traffic Engineering Database Management 
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	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-mib-01.txt
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This memo defines the Management Information Base (MIB) objects in 
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This document described the Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) - specific
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	Title		: Graceful Shutdown in GMPLS Traffic Engineering Networks
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	Date		: 2006-10-25
	
GMPLS-TE Graceful shutdown is a method for explicitly notifying the 
   nodes in a Traffic Engineering (TE) enabled network that the TE 
   capability on a link or on an entire Label Switching Router (LSR) is 
   going to be disabled. GMPLS-TE graceful shutdown mechanisms are 
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   applicable for both MPLS and its GMPLS extensions.

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	Title		: Use of Addresses in Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Networks
	Author(s)	: K. Shiomoto, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-addressing-05.txt
	Pages		: 25
	Date		: 2006-10-25
	
This document explains and clarifies the use of addresses in 
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) networks.  The aim 
   of this document is to facilitate and ensure better interworking of 
   GMPLS-capable Label Switching Routers (LSRs) based on experience 
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Hi,

I have a few questions on LMP. Would like to hear back some opinions on 
these.

First question -

Section 9 on "Addressing" mentions that a Config message over a 
non-point-to-point
link (which could mean an ethernet link), must be sent with the 
destination IP set to
the unicast IP address of the neighboring node.

Considering a scenario where there are 2 nodes that has mutliple 
control-channels
1) an out-of-fiber one over a non-point-to-point link
2) an in-fiber one over a point-to-point link

Since there is no guarantee that the Config message with the unicast 
destination IP address
meant for control-channel 1) will not get routed out on the 
point-to-point link what
measures should the neighboring node take to properly map the Config 
message to the
correct instance of the control-channel ?

Next question -

Does RFC4204 consider network reconfiguration scenarios ? For example, 
if graceful
restart is enabled control-channel re-establishment is done using the 
unicast IP address
of the neighboring node in the Config message that was recovered from, 
say, the non-volatile
storage database. At what point in time will the Config message 
destination IP address
switch to the multicast IP address (assuming the control-channel is over 
a point-to-point
link) ?

Last question -

Graceful restart requires the following (extracted from Section 8):

   If, however, the node was not capable of retaining
   the LMP link information across a restart, the node MUST accept the
   data link parameters of the received LinkSummary message and respond
   with a LinkSummaryAck message.

Should a node not capable of retaining any information across a restart
respond with a LinkSummaryAck in case link verification is enabled ?
The issue is the information that is being accepted may not be correct.

Thanks,
Snigdho




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	Title		: Requirements for GMPLS-based multi-region and multi-layer networks (MRN/MLN)
	Author(s)	: K. Shiomoto, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-02.txt
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	Date		: 2006-10-23
	
Most of the initial efforts on Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) have been 
     related to environments hosting devices with a single switching 
     capability. The complexity raised by the control of such data 
     planes is similar to that seen in classical IP/MPLS networks. 
      
     By extending MPLS to support multiple switching technologies, GMPLS 
     provides a comprehensive framework for the control of a multi-
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	Title		: Evaluation of existing GMPLS Protocols 
                          against Multi Layer and Multi Region Networks (MLN/MRN)
	Author(s)	: J. Le Roux, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-02.txt
	Pages		: 15
	Date		: 2006-10-23
	
This document provides an evaluation of Generalized Multi-Protocol 
   Label Switching (GMPLS) protocols and mechanisms against the 
   requirements for Multi-Layer Networks (MLN) and Multi-Region Networks 
   (MRN). In addition, this document identifies areas where additional 
   protocol extensions or procedures are needed to satisfy these 
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Title: Notification of work in the IETF CCAMP working group
Submission Date: 2006-10-23
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=273 
Please reply by 2006-11-17

From: Adrian Farrel(IETF CCAMP WG) <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
To: ITU-T SG15(Greg Jones <greg.jones@itu.int>)
Cc: Stephen Trowbridge <sjtrowbridge@lucent.com>
Kam Lam <hklam@lucent.com>
Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>
Bill Fenner <fenner@research.att.com>
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Purpose: For action 
Body: The CCAMP Working Group of the IETF is pleased to inform you of its progress with work that we believe may be of direct interest to your participants.

A new RFC has been published.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4631.txt provides some small updates and clarifications to the SNMP MIB module for the Link Management Protocol (LMP). It obsoletes RFC 4327, the previous version of this MIB module. 
Section 14 of the new RFC shows a list of the changes.

The CCAMP working group continues to make good progress in many areas. Full details of the work of CCAMP can be found at http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html from where all of the latest revisions of the various RFCs and Internet-Drafts can be freely downloaded without charge.

Four Internet-Drafts that may be of particular interest to your members are listed below.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-01.txt is a relatively new work item that examines the requirements and procedures for using GMPLS protocols to support Virtual Concatenation Groups across TDM networks. We believe this may be of particular interest to you in support of Ethernet services over TDM. The Abstract of this draft reads as follows:
   This document describes requirements for, and use of, the Generalized 
   Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control plane in conjunction 
   with the Virtual Concatenation (VCAT) layer 1 inverse multiplexing 
   mechanism and its companion Link Capacity Adjustment Scheme (LCAS) 
   which can be used for hitless dynamic resizing of the inverse 
   multiplex group.  These techniques apply to the Optical Transport 
   Network (OTN), Synchronous Optical Network (SONET), Synchronous 
   Digital Hierarchy (SDH), and Plesiochronous Digital Hierarchy (PDH) 
   signals. 

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-ospf-02.txt describes extensions to the OSPF routing protocol to satisfy the ASON routing requirements as set out in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt in the light of the evaluation provided in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-eval-03.txt (both of which were written with considerable help from some of your individual members). The Abstract of this draft reads as follows:
   The Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) suite of protocols has been defined to 
   control different switching technologies as well as different 
   applications. These include support for requesting TDM connections 
   including SONET/SDH and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs). 
    
   This document provides the extensions of the OSPFv2 Link State 
   Routing Protocol to meet the routing requirements for an 
   Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) as defined by ITU-T.  
In view of the fact that this work addresses the ASON routing requirements, we would like to solicit your review and feedback on this draft.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt presents a GMPLS Sender_TSpec (and hence a Flowspec) for Ethernet Traffic Parameters as described in MEF.10. The Abstract of this draft reads as follows:
   This document described the Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) - specific 
   Ethernet Traffic Parameters as described in MEF.10 when using 
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Resource 
   ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling. 

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-01.txt describes extensions to RSVP-TE for the establishment and management of Calls in GMPLS networks, and for the association of LSPs (connections) with those Calls. The Abstract if this draft reads as follows:
   In certain networking topologies, it may be advantageous to maintain
   associations between endpoints and key transit points to support an
   instance of a service. Such associations are known as Calls.

   A Call does not provide the actual connectivity for transmitting user
   traffic, but only builds a relationship by which subsequent
   Connections may be made. In Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) such Connections
   are known as Label Switched Paths (LSPs).

   This document specifies how GMPLS RSVP-TE signaling may be used and
   extended to support Calls. These mechanisms provide full and logical
   Call/Connection separation.

   The mechanisms proposed in this document are applicable to any
   environment (including multi-area), and for any type of interface:
   packet, layer-2, time-division multiplexed, lambda or fiber
   switching.

The CCAMP Working Group welcomes comments on its work at any time. These can be sent by anyone to the CCAMP mailing list. Details of how to subscribe to the list together with information on all of the work currently being pursued by the working group can be found at the charter page: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html


Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard 
CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs
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	Title		: Operating Virtual Concatenation (VCAT) and 
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                          with Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)
	Author(s)	: G. Bernstein, et al.
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Comments received on the IS-IS mailing list from Les Ginsberg
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; <isis-wg@ietf.org>; 
<ospf@ietf.org>; <mpls@lists.ietf.org>
Cc: "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" <dbrungard@att.com>; 
<routing-discussion@ietf.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last call 
ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt


In regards to the IS-IS definitions, there is (again - sorry JP...)
confusion in the use of the terms TLV and subTLV.

For example, in Section 2 it states:

<snip>
A new TLV is defined for ISIS and OSPF: the TE Node Capability
   Descriptor TLV, to be carried within:
        - The ISIS Capability TLV ([ISIS-CAP]) for ISIS...
<end snip>

If the information is carried within another TLV, then it is clearly
subTLV information - the difference between the two is more than
terminology since it impacts both the encoding and the scope of the
identifiers which are assigned.

Section 4.2 then goes on to discuss:

"The format of the IS-IS TE Node Capability TLV" - which is, as pointed
out above, actually a subTLV.

And then goes on to define "subsubTLVs" (which are incorrectly called
subTLVs).

As "subsubTLVs" are new to IS-IS encoding some discussion of this added
level of hierarchy is required. However, I think it might also be fair
to entertain the possibility that the "TE Node Capability subTLV" be
deleted and the "subsubTLVs" defined in the subsections of 4.2 be
defined more directly as subTLVs of the IS-IS CAPs TLV. This is possible
because as currently defined, the "TE Node Capability subTLV" has no
information at the subTLV level - it is simply a container for the
subsubTLV information. This would allow for a more efficient encoding
without any loss of functionality.

Whatever the resolution, all the text relating to this must be reworded
to be consistent and accurate.

I would also prefer that the wording of the following sentence in
Section 5.2:

"An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be discarded."

be changed to

"An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be ignored."

The term "discard" suggests that a router which leaks a CAP TLV
containing TE node capability information might be required to modify
the contents of that TLV - which is something to be avoided.

   Les

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:22 AM
> To: isis-wg@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org; mpls@lists.ietf.org
> Cc: Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS; routing-discussion@ietf.org
> Subject: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last call
ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-
> node-cap-02.txt
>
> Heads up.
>
> The CCAMP working group is holding a working group last call on this
> draft.
>
> Your input is invited.
>
> Please send comments direct to the CCAMP mailing list or to the WG
chairs
> (Deborah and/or me) if you are not subscribed to CCAMP.
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:34 AM
> Subject: Working group last call on
draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt
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>
> > This starts a two week working group last on
> >
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt
> >
> > Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list by 12 midnight
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> time
> > on Monday 30th October
> >
> > Thanks,
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:28:52 -0500
From: Lucy Yong <lucyyong@huawei.com>
Subject: reservation and time based bandwidth service.
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Group,

 

The draft provides information about ASON/GMPLS extension for reservation
and time based bandwidth service.

Due to some upload error, the draft has not shown in I-D Announce yet. We
like to send to the mail list ahead so people have a chance to read it now.

 

Thanks,

Lucy


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CCAMP Working Group                                              L. Yong
Internet-Draft                                                    Y. Lee
Intended status: Informational                                Huawei USA
Expires: April 21, 2007                                 October 18, 2006


ASON/GMPLS Extension for Reservation and Time Based Automatic Bandwidth
                                Service
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Abstract

   The draft presents ASON/GMPLS architecture extension for reservation
   and time based automatic bandwidth services.  It introduces
   additional service intelligence function to the control plane.  It
   describes the service scenarios and procedures for automatic
   bandwidth service.  It also discusses the potential services enabled
   by the service intelligence function.


Table of Contents

   1.  Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  3
     1.1.  Conventions used in this document  . . . . . . . . . . . .  4
     1.2.  Terminology  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  4
     1.3.  Acronyms . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  4
   2.  Motivation for Reservation and Time Based Automatic
       Bandwidth Service  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  6
   3.  ASON/GMPLS Architecture Extension for Reservation and Time
       Based Automatic Bandwidth Service  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
     3.1.  Architecture . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
     3.2.  Reservation Service Activation and Deactivation
           Procedures . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11
     3.3.  Time Based Automatic Bandwidth Service . . . . . . . . . . 12
     3.4.  Protocol between Reservation System and Control Plane  . . 14
     3.5.  Time Based Connection Path Management  . . . . . . . . . . 14
   4.  Multi-Layer and Multi-Domain Networks  . . . . . . . . . . . . 17
   5.  Architecture Advantages  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19
   6.  Other Architecture Solution  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20
   7.  Security Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21
   8.  IANA Considerations  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22
   9.  Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23
   10. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
     10.1. Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
     10.2. Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24
   Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25
   Intellectual Property and Copyright Statements . . . . . . . . . . 26














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1.  Introduction

   ASON and GMPLS based architectures have been developed for a long
   time in standard bodies.  One of objectives is to allow user
   instantly request a bandwidth from optical transport networks using
   standard protocols.  We refer to this model as instant bandwidth
   service.  The user could be a customer, a client from a different
   network layer or from a different administration domain.  This model
   is adopted from traditional telephony networks, where the network
   instantly establishes a connection path when a call request comes and
   takes down the connection when the call finishes.  Internet
   technology boosts the network intelligence capability, which drives a
   desire of building the similar intelligence in an optical transport
   network and thus enabling an instant bandwidth service in which
   connection is instantly provided upon the service request from a
   user.

   Although the instant bandwidth service is a prevalent mode in ASON/
   GMPLS control plane architecture, some dedicate bandwidth services
   such as private line are provided based on a reservation.  For
   example, traditional private line services have been offered in the
   way that customer needs to order the service first through an
   administrative system, then carrier set up the circuit and work with
   the customer to verify the connection paths.  Although this service
   model is rather rigid and operation intensive, for a permanent
   connection and a large bandwidth connection, a carrier still prefers
   a way to do reservation and time based bandwidth service.  In
   addition, some customer may want to reserve the service ahead based
   on the future needs and wants the bandwidth to be guaranteed at a
   specific time it desires.  We refer to this capability as reservation
   based automatic bandwidth service through out this document.

   Another consideration is that although customer connection could be
   dynamic, sometimes the traffic presents a certain pattern as time, as
   an alternate solution for the instant bandwidth service, a connection
   could be managed as a function of time.  We refer to this capability
   as time based automatic bandwidth service through out this document.

   This document introduces ASON/GMPLS architecture extension to support
   reservation and time based automatic bandwidth service.  It presents
   the application scenarios and service procedures.  It also describes
   potential new components in a control plane to support the services.
   In addition, the comparison between instant bandwidth service and
   reservation based bandwidth service is discussed.







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1.1.  Conventions used in this document

   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
   document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 [RFC2119].

1.2.  Terminology

   Client Layer: In multi-layer networks, client layer is the layer that
   could request a service from the server layer.  For example, IP
   client layer request a bandwidth from OTN server layer.

   Connection Manager: A entity that establish and remove a connection
   and maintain all existing connections.

   Event Register: A entity that hold all the time related events and
   announce an event when its specified time arrives.

   Policy Manager: A entity that manage all the policy profiles.

   Policy Profile: A entity that gather all the policy rules associated
   with a connection or a set of connections.

   Policy Rules: A rule associated with a connection.  It may relate to
   an event or time.

   Reservation based automatic bandwidth service: The connection request
   could be booked in carrier reservation system ahead of service time.
   When the service time arrives, the network could automatically build
   up the connection.

   Reservation System: A system can book a connection reservation from a
   customer.

   Server Layer: In multi-layer networks, server layer is the layer that
   could provide a service to its client layer.

   Time based automatic bandwidth service: The connection path or
   bandwidth could be managed as a function of time.

1.3.  Acronyms

   AIS Alarm Indication Signal

   ASON Automatically Switched Optical Network

   DOM Day Of a Month




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   ENNI External Network to Network Interface.

   GMPLS Generalized Multi-protocol Label Switching

   HOY Holiday Of a Year

   NE Network Element

   NMS Network Management System

   OTN Optical Transport Network

   SDH Synchronous Digital Hierarchy

   SONET Synchronous Optical Network

   TDM Time Division Multiplexing

   TOD Time of a Day

   UNEQ-P Unequipped Path

   UNI User Network Interface




























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2.  Motivation for Reservation and Time Based Automatic Bandwidth
    Service

   IP network success motivates people to develop network intelligence
   in an optical transport network.  One objective is to enable
   automatic connection route selection, connection path establishment
   and removal, and connection management in an optical network and
   automatic interworking with other layer network such as IP network.
   Another objective is to allow user to instantly request a network
   bandwidth when it needs.  The control plane based network
   architecture is defined by both IETF [RFC3945] and ITU-T [ITU-T
   G.8080].  Numerous protocols have been developed by IETF since then.

   Current instant based bandwidth service model supported in ASON/GMPLS
   architecture is shown in Figure 1.  The network contains a control
   plane and a data plane.  A user or client equipment connects to a
   network element (node) via physical interface.  This interface is
   called User Network Interface(UNI) [RFC4208] [ITU-T G.8080].  There
   is a signaling channel between a user and the network.  When a user
   needs a bandwidth from one point to another, it can send a connection
   request to the control plane via the signaling channel.  The request
   will specify the pre-defined network source and destination node
   addresses, port IDs, bandwidth, and other service parameters.  The
   control plane will process the request, select connection route(s) in
   the network and build the connection path(s) in the data plane
   according the service request.  After the user receives the
   confirmation message about the connection completion, user could
   start data transmission over the data plane.  The data stream is then
   transmitted along the reserved path toward the destination.  Figure 2
   show the signaling flows for the connection establishment and data
   transmission.[RFC4208] [RFC3473].  When a user completes the
   bandwidth usage, it sends a disconnect request to the network, the
   network takes down the connection path and releases the bandwidth for
   reuse.


                                                       Signaling Channel
                                                        |
                                                        |
               __      |-----------------------------|  V   __
              |  |-----|       Control Plane         |-----|  |
              |  | UNI |-----------------------------| UNI |  |
              |__|=====|        Data Plane           |=====|__|
              User     |-----------------------------|  A  User
                       |                             |  |
                       |<---      Network        --->|  |
                                                        |
                                                    Physical Interface



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                     Figure 1: ASON/GMPLS Architecture



                                Network

                 User    Control       Data        User
                         Plane         Plane
                   |      |               |         |
              Path +----->|------------------------>|
                   |      |                        /|
             Resv  |<-----|<----------------------/ |
                   |\     |                         |
          ResvConf | \--->|------------------------>|
                   |                      |         |
            Data   |<====================>|<=======>|
       Transmission|                      |         |


   Figure 2: Signaling Flow For Path Establishment and Data Transmission

   There are some differences between ASON and GMPLS architecture models
   regarding the UNI interface.  ASON uses carrier oriented domain
   architecture model.  UNI is used between user and a network domain;
   ENNI is used between two network domains.  The ASON control plane
   supports service establishment through the automatic provisioning of
   end-to-end connection across one or more domains.  In contrast, GMPLS
   has peer model and overlay model.  In the peer model, it assumes a
   community of users with mutual trust and shared goals.  There are no
   inherent policy or security boundaries, and routing and signaling
   protocols flow within the network without filtering or other
   constraints imposed.  In the overlay model [RFC4208], it assumes that
   the network nodes act as a closed system, and that user nodes are not
   aware of the topology of the network, though network and user nodes
   may have a routing protocol interaction for the exchange of
   reachability information to other user nodes.

   Regardless of the architecture differences in ASON and GMPLS, both
   models share the same service characteristics in which the service is
   requested at the time the connection needs.  In other words, service
   request and service time are tightly coupled.  This service model may
   raise concerns for carriers to offer all the bandwidth services in
   optical transport networks in this manner.  Here are the major
   concerns:

   1) It is hard for carriers to predict user demand and guarantee the
   dedicated bandwidth when user needs it.  Some user may want to book
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   2) For some Permanent Connection (PC) or a high bandwidth connection,
   carriers may want to let a customer book in advance and automatically
   provision the connection when service time arrives.  This way gives
   carriers a chance to plan the network resource ahead of service time
   if necessary.

   3) Having user directly request the bandwidth from network through
   the signaling channel that directly communicates with the optical
   control plane could potentially introduce a big security concerns for
   carrier.  Since the control plane is the network brain, it can not
   tolerate any possibility of outsider attack.  Thus, the special
   security function for the signaling channel at UNI is required.

   4) A carrier may not want to expose its network to its customer.  To
   support UNI, carrier has to define a separated node address, port ID
   for customer to use, and the advertisement of customer reachability
   in the control plane, which adds the complexity and cost for a
   carrier.

   5) Some optical data plane takes time to have a path run clean even
   the connection path already established from optical control plane.
   Therefore, user may get a lot of corrupted payloads initially.

   6) The service model presents a big challenge for service operation
   and back office system integration.

   Today this instant bandwidth service model has been rarely deployed
   in a real network although the protocols have been standardized in
   the standard body for a while.  It is believed due to two major
   reasons: 1) most of bandwidth services offered by optical networks
   are relatively static and could be reserved ahead of service time; 2)
   the service model and its benefits are still under carrier
   investigation because of these concerns.

   The questions are raised: could ASON/GMPLS architecture support
   reservation based automatic bandwidth service? could ASON/GMPLS
   architectures support time based automatic bandwidth service as an
   alternate solution for bandwidth on demand service.  Furthermore, how
   could we enhance the control plane to be of service intelligence?

   These questions motivate this draft to discuss the possibility of
   ASON/GMPLS architecture extension to support reservation and time
   based automatic bandwidth services.

   * The reservation based automatic bandwidth service is that the
   connection service could be booked in carrier reservation system
   ahead of service time.  When the service time arrives, the network
   could automatically build up the connection path.



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   * The time based automatic connection is that an existing connection
   or bandwidth can be managed as a function of time.

















































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3.  ASON/GMPLS Architecture Extension for Reservation and Time Based
    Automatic Bandwidth Service

3.1.  Architecture

   The great advantage of ASON/GMPLS is to have network intelligence for
   network discovery, route selection, path establishment, connection
   management.  The question is how to utilize the intelligence for a
   reservation based bandwidth request.  Figure 3 illustrates a possible
   architecture model for a reservation based automatic bandwidth
   service.  In this model, it is assumed that user equipment has been
   connected to network with a physical interface such as SONET or
   Ethernet; there is no signaling channel between user and network.
   The control plane enabled network is able to automatically select a
   route and set up the connection path.  A reservation system is
   provided by a carrier.

                               +------------+       +---------+
                        ------>|Reservation |<----->|   OSS   |
           Service Request     |  System    |       +---------+
                               +-----+------+
                                     |
                                     |
               __      |-------------V---------------|      __
              |  |     |       Control Plane         |     |  |
              |  |     |-----------------------------|     |  |
              |__|=====|        Data Plane           |=====|__|
              User     |-----------------------------|  A  User
                       |                             |  |
                       |<----      Network      ---->|  |
                                                        |
                                                    Physical Interface


                Figure 3: ASON/GMPLS Architecture Extension

   The service Reservation System (RS) allows user to book the service
   request ahead of service time.  User could specify the service start
   time and end time if available, source and destination, bandwidth,
   and other service parameters.  The RS needs go through the service
   validation processes including customer account, connection points,
   service quality, etc.  To accomplish these steps, the RS needs to
   communicate with some back office systems (OSS) such as account,
   inventory system.  After completing the validation processes, the RS
   converts the request to a connection order in a database, and send a
   confirmation message back to the customer.

   For bandwidth reservation, a provider could use booking information



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   in the database to prepare network resource ahead.  Since some
   services may use the bandwidth over the same network segment in
   different time period, they could use the same bandwidth resource at
   different time.  In TDM network, the bandwidth refers to "timeslot".
   Thus, the resource planning is to estimate a bandwidth pool in
   network to ensure that all booked services can get the bandwidth at
   its service time.  If a "special" service really requests to book and
   allocate network resource ahead service time, it should be allowed
   under some condition such as the ahead period prior to the service
   time and/or price.

3.2.  Reservation Service Activation and Deactivation Procedures

   When the service time arrives, the RS generates a connection request
   to the network source node of the connection, the source node will
   select route(s) first and then establish the connection path toward
   destination node using GMPLS signaling protocol.  The signaling flow
   for the connection establishment shows in Figure 4.  The RS may
   provide the explicit route list depending on the implementation, then
   the network only needs to establish the connection path.

   Although the network already allocates bandwidth for the connection,
   user may not generate traffic yet; unequipped path(UNEQ-P)or alarm
   indication signal(AIS-P)could be generated by SONET/SDH or OTN data
   plane.  Thus, the control plane needs to inform the nodes that the
   path is in waiting payload period and starts a waiting period timer;
   the nodes should not start the path monitor at this time.
   Administrative Status Information object in GMPLS signaling may be
   used in cooperation on this step.  For an advanced situation, the
   network could enable an automatic data path verification process
   before getting into the waiting period.

                                   Network

                 User    Reservation Control    Data      User
                         System      Plane      Plane
                   |      |            |          |         |
          Service  +----->|            |          |         |
          booking  |      |            |          |         |
      Confirmation |<-----|            |          |         |
                   ~      ~            ~          ~         ~
          Request  |      |----------->|          |         |
                   |      |            |          |         |
      Confirmation |      |<-----------|          |         |
                   |                              |         |
            Data   |<============================>|<=======>|
       Transmission|                              |         |




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            Figure 4: Reservation based RSVP-TE Signaling Flow

   When user begins to generate the traffic, both ingress and egress
   nodes could detect the payload and inform the control plane.  The
   control plane at the source node will stop the timer, inform the node
   to start monitor the path.  The administrative status information
   object may be used to inform the connection status.

   If the waiting timer is expired, the control plane may take down the
   connection path and inform the RS about service cancellation.  The
   waiting time can be selected by user or a default timer provided by
   carrier.

   To tear down the connection, there could be two scenarios.  First, a
   customer does not specify the end time of its connection, it simply
   asks network to take down the connection when it stops sending
   traffic.  Second, a customer specifies the ending time in the service
   scheduler system.

   In the first scenario, customer stops sending data stream when it
   finishes, the nodes at ingress and/or egress detect the payload
   missing, the ingress node informs the control plane.  The control
   plane waits for certain period (configurable or defined in service
   profile), then the source node initiates the teardown message toward
   the destination node.  It will send a service completion message to
   the reservation system.  The system will go through the service
   completion process.  It is necessary that the nodes at ingress and
   egress differentiate a link or equipment failure from payload missing
   and inform the control plane with different status changes.

   In the second scenario, the RS sends a disconnection request to the
   control plane when the service period expires.  The control plane
   informs the source and destination nodes to inject UNEQ-P signaling
   toward user if the interface is SONET or OTN.  Then, the source node
   sends a path teardown message toward the destination node and send a
   service completion message to the RS.  The RS will go through the
   service completion process.

   The solution suggested here provides an alternate way to
   automatically establish a connection path in ASON/GMPLS network.
   Once the connection is established, the control plane can manage the
   connection based on the service request such as service protection
   requirement.

3.3.  Time Based Automatic Bandwidth Service

   The reservation based automatic bandwidth service solution allows
   carrier further implementing event driven service such as a time



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   based bandwidth service.  A time based service means that the
   connection path could be automatically setup, taken down, or modified
   based on the pre-scheduled time.  For example, a connection will be
   setup two hours every day for three months or 600Mbps during the day
   and 150Mbps at night.  In this case, the reservation system allows
   customer to specify time based connection request.

   For this advanced application, the RS could convert the reservation
   into a connection request associated with a policy profile.  When an
   initial connection time arrives, it will send a connection request
   with the policy profile to the control plane.  The control plane will
   maintain the policy profile and execute the policy rules specified in
   the policy profile.  Figure 5 shows some policy rules but not limited
   to.  How the control plane supports the time based connection request
   will be discussed in the section 3.5.


             +--------------------------------------------------------+
             |   Rule Type  |   Time Duration   |     Action          |
             |--------------+-------------------+---------------------|
             |    TOD       |      8AM-5PM      | Maintain Connection |
             | Time of Day  |-------------------+---------------------|
             |              |       Other       | Terminate Connection|
             |--------------+-------------------+---------------------|
             |    DOW       |      M - F        | Maintain 600MBW     |
             |  Day of Week |-------------------+---------------------|
             |              |      Sa-Su        | Maintain 200MBW     |
             +--------------+-------------------+---------------------+



                          Figure 5: Policy Rules

   Followings are some potential service features that could be
   implemented through the reservation based bandwidth service but not
   limited to.

   1) Bandwidth service is specified in time pattern, for example, time
   of day, day of month, holiday of year, etc.  If the connection is
   taken down during the break time, it is possible that the new
   connection path differs from the old but the service quality remains
   the same.  The carrier needs to plan the network resource ahead to
   ensure the bandwidth availability.

   2) Bandwidth modification for an existing connection.  Customer
   specifies bandwidth variance to the time for a connection.  In this
   case, the control plane can modify the connection bandwidth without
   service disruption.



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   3) One reservation for a group of connections among a set of client
   ports.  The set of client ports could share a same profile.  Time
   based traffic pattern can be specified among the ports.  For example,
   there are 10 ports, the first four ports need 200 Mbps and last six
   ports need 100 Mbps in day time; two ports need 500Mbps, the rest
   needs 50 Mbps at night.

   4) Service extension for an existing connection.  Customer could
   extend the service time through the reservation system.

   5) Combined above services.  The combined service offers a lot of
   flexibility for the bandwidth service.  Thus, it may serve as a
   bandwidth on demand service.

3.4.  Protocol between Reservation System and Control Plane

   There are some protocols needed between the reservation system and
   the control plane.  It is recommended to use existing signaling
   protocol, i.e. extend GMPLS signaling protocol to the RS.  In this
   case, the RS acts as GMPLS signaling agent.  The RS can send a
   connection request to the source node using GMPLS protocol.  Since
   the RS and network belong to the same carrier administrative domain,
   RS can directly use network internal address and port information in
   the connection request.  Thus, it is like a user interface in GMPLS
   peer model.  For the time based service, there will be additional
   enhanced objects in GMPLS protocol to carry the time based service
   information.  Another way to implement is to develop Management
   Information Base (MIB) modules between RS and control plane to carry
   the connection request information.  This implementation requires
   control plane to convert MIB into signaling message for an end-to-end
   path establishment.

3.5.  Time Based Connection Path Management

   A control plane is expected to manage a connection in an event driven
   policy.  For example, when a failure happens [POLICY], it can select
   another route for user or allocate the reserved protection path in
   shared mesh configuration.  To support time based connection
   management, the control plane needs to have a time trigger and event
   register function.

   Figure 6 shows a possible connection controller structure to manage a
   scheduled event.  There are three components plus a time ticker.  The
   connection manager(CM) is responsible for connection establishment
   and maintenance.  The policy manager(PM) manages all the connection
   rules.  These rules may be associated with an network event and/or
   time event.  The Event Register(ER) can table all time related events
   that will be triggered when the time arrives.  When a connection



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   request comes from RS, CM in the source node processes the request
   and establishes the initial connection by using GMPLS protocol.  If
   there is a time based policy profile associated with the connection,
   CM sends the connection ID and policy profile to PM.  PM processes
   the policy profile and registers the time based events into the ER.
   When an event is on time, EM notifies PM on the event.  PM sends the
   action with connection ID to CM.  Then CM executes the action on the
   connection.  Such time based function empowers a control plane to
   actively manage the connection path.  It is possible that a time
   based connection may be routed through difference paths during
   different connection time but the service quality remains the same.
   How to keep a time based connection in the same route needs future
   study.



                             Connection Controller
          Connection  +----------------------------------+
           Request    |                                  |
           from RS    | +------------+    +------------+ |
          ------------+>| Connection +----> Policy     | |
                      | | Manager    <----+ Manager    | |
                      | +------------+    +--A----+----+ |
                      |                      |    |      |
                      | +-----------+  +-----+----V----+ |
                      | |Time Ticker|->| Event Register| |
                      | +-----------+  +---------------+ |
                      + ---------------------------------+


                 Figure 6: Connection Controller Structure

   There is a debate whether the time based connection management should
   reside in the control plane or management plane, i.e.  Network
   Management System (NMS).  NMS is a centralized system.  It responses
   to collect fault alarms and performance data from network, provide
   equipment configuration and service provisioning, and support all the
   operation activities.  It is possible to implement time based
   connection management function in NMS.  In this case, NMS keeps
   tracking all connections created by the control plane and maintain
   the time based policy profiles.  When an event arrives, NMS finds out
   the associated connection ID and its source node, then sends the
   event to the control plane.  The control plane executes the event.
   In the model, both control plane and NMS manage the connections.  Who
   has the connection ownership is questionable.  The model may create a
   lot of communications between the NMS and control plane for a large
   network or frequent connection changes, which could cause a
   scalability problem and infrastructure challenge.  In contrast, using



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   control plane to manage time based connection provides the
   distributing management in the control plane and the control plane
   fully manages and maintains the connections, which presents some
   advantages.















































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4.  Multi-Layer and Multi-Domain Networks

   ASON architecture supports a multi-layer and multi-domain
   configuration.  [MLN/MRN] The solution described here work for multi-
   layer networks as well.  Figure 7 illustrates a multi-layer network
   in general.  Customer equipment physically connect to an ASON network
   at client layer, for example, through Ethernet interface, the network
   ingress and egress have client layer interfaces; the network side
   interfaces have server layer interfaces.  The customer could book a
   connection request from client layer without knowing the network
   topology and architecture at all.  When the service time arrives, the
   scheduler system will send the connection request to the control
   plane, the control plane will select the path route over client layer
   adaptation and server layer to establish the connection path.  If the
   server layer path is already existed, the control plane could also
   build a connection path over the existing tunnel in server layer
   depending on the service request or control plane policy.

   In the similar way, when tearing down a connection, if there are
   multiple connections in client layer such as multiple VLANs, client
   layer will only tear down the VLAN path in the client layer.  When
   tearing down the last VLAN path in a tunnel, the control plane could
   take down the tunnel as well depending on the service request or
   control plane policy.

   The reservation based service model allows provider to manage the
   server layer connection separately from the client layer connection.
   Based on the customer needs, the reservation system could let server
   layer to establish a tunnel that connects to ingress and egress at
   client layer first.  For example, set up a SONET connection and use
   GFP at ingress and egress to map to Ethernet port.  Thus, when
   cusomter wants a P2P connection at Ethernet, the connection can be
   built directly over end-to-end client layer through the server layer
   tunnel.  Multiple P2P connections may be built over a tunnel.  As a
   result, client layer connections could be very dynamic while a server
   layer connection is relative static.















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                               +------------+     +------+
                      -------->| Reservation|<--->| OSS  |
            Service Request    |  System    |     +------+
                               +------------+
                                     |
                                     |
                   User   +--+       |       +--+  User
   Data Stream ----> =====|  |       |       |  |======  Client Layer
            ..............|..|.......|.......|..|....................
                          |  +-------V-------+  |        Server Layer
                          |                     |
                          +---------------------+
                                 Network



                       Figure 7: Multi-Layer Network

   The solution could apply to multi-domain configuration as well.  In
   this scenario, there could be one reservation system to support
   multi-domains or each domain has its own reservation system.  If
   customer needs to build a connection across multi-domains, it can
   book through one system or several systems.  A reservation system
   will use the same semantics to build connection path through the
   control plane.  External Network to Network Interface (ENNI) will be
   used between domains.

























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5.  Architecture Advantages

   The architecture model for reservation and time based automatic
   bandwidth services adopt ASON/GMPLS architecture model and combine
   with Web application technology.  It de-couples service request time
   and service time, which provides a great value for carriers and
   customers.  It provides a practical architecture to a bandwidth on
   demand service in an optical transport network.  It has following
   advantages compared to UNI based instant bandwidth service.

   1.Reservation based automatic bandwidth service can provide better
   bandwidth guarantee for the customer.  Carrier can observe
   reservations and plan the network resources.

   2.It does not need a signaling channel between user and network, i.e.
   no UNI interface.  This simplifies the service model.  To support
   UNI, carrier has to work out separated node address and port ID for
   customer to use, and the advertisement of customer reachability in
   the network.

   3.Since there is no signaling channel between user and network
   control plane, it eliminates the possibility that a control plane is
   attacked from UNI signaling channel.

   4.This allows network to pre-verify the data plane path by using an
   embedded tool or automatically tune a data plane path to ensure the
   path running clean.

   5.This service model is more close to the private line services that
   carrier offer today.  It could co-exist with existing ASON/GMPLS
   architecture.

   6.Advanced reservation system could be designed to offer very
   flexible and dynamic service for customers as mentioned above.

   7.The architecture model allows carrier easier to implement the
   services in term of service operation and back office system support.

   Internet technology enables many WEB based reservation applications.
   Integrating ASON/GMPLS architecture with the reservation based system
   boosts optical control plane capability to support automatic
   bandwidth service and open potentials for other advanced services
   such as L1VPN and bandwidth trading.








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6.  Other Architecture Solution

   The architecture solution discussed in this document is one way to
   implement the reservation and time based automatic bandwidth service.
   The separation between the reservation system and control plane
   provides a realistic way for the implementation from many
   perspectives.  The reservation system can be interwork with other
   back office systems to provide customer account management, inventory
   verification, resource management, and security management.  The
   control plane only responses for the connection management.

   Another solution is to directly implement reservation and time based
   automatic bandwidth service through UNI interface, i.e. enhance the
   GMPLS signaling protocol between user and network interface to allow
   carrying these time based service information and let control plane
   interwork with back office system to perform all the validation
   processes and manage the services.  Authors think this architecture
   design is not a practical design for carrier and it will add more
   concerns about the service models over UNI beyond mentioned in this
   document.































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7.  Security Considerations

   This implementation eliminates the security concern at UNI and
   requires security management in the scheduler system.  Each user
   needs to have a private account and security procedure before it can
   summit its service request.  The architecture presents little
   possibility to attack the network.












































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8.  IANA Considerations

   There is no IANA actions requested in this specification.
















































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9.  Acknowledgements

   Authors would like to thank James Zhu and Dan Li from Huawei, Adrian
   Farrel from olddog, Tomonori TAKEDA and Kensuke SHINDOME from NTT,
   and D'Allessandro Alessandro from Telecom Italia for the review and
   great suggestions.













































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10.  References

10.1.  Normative References

   [ITU-T G.8080]
              ITU-T, "Architecture for the Automatically Switched
              Optical Network(ASON).", January 2003.

   [RFC2119]  Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate
              Requirement  Levels", RFC 2119, March 1997.

   [RFC3471]  Berger (Editor)et al.,, L., "Generalized MPLS signaling
              Functional Description", RFC 3471, January 2003.

   [RFC3473]  Berger, L., "Generalized MPLS Signaling - RSVP-TE
              Extensions", RFC 3473, January 2003.

   [RFC3945]  Mannie, Ed.,, E., "Gemeralized Multi-Protocol Lable
              Switching (GMPLS) Achitecture", RFC 3945, October 2004.

   [RFC3946]  Mannie, E. and D. Papadimitriou, "Generalized Multi-
              Protocol Label Switch (GMPLS) Extension for  Synchronoous
              Optical Network (SONET) and Sychronous Digital Hierarchy
              (SDH) Control", RFC 3946, December 2005.

   [RFC4208]  Swallow, G., Drake, J., Ishimatsu, H., and Y. Rekhter,
              "Generalized Multiprotocl Label Switching (GMPLS) User-
              Network Interface (UNI): Resource Rervation Protocol-
              Traffic  Engineering (RSVP-TE) Support for hte pverlay
              model", RFC 4208, October 2005.

10.2.  Informative References

   [MLN/MRN]  Shiomoto, et al., K., "Requirement for GMPLS-based multi-
              region and multi-kayer networks", January 2003.

   [POLICY]   Lee , Y. and Z. James , "Framework for the Polocy-Based
              Mechanism in GMPLS Network", May 2006.













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Authors' Addresses

   Lucy Yong
   Huawei USA
   1700 Alma Dr. Suite 100
   Plano, TX  75075

   Phone: +1 469-229-5387
   Email: lucyyong@huawei.com


   Young Lee
   Huawei USA
   1700 Alma Dr. Suite 100
   Plano, TX  75075

   Phone: +1 469-229-2240
   Email: ylee@huawei.com

































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To: "Peng He" <peng.he.2000@gmail.com>
From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
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Peng,
         I think this is a path computation/engineering question more 
than one of signaling semantics.  The only *required* 
restriction/implication on EROs is already listed in the draft, namely:
    The first
    subobject MUST indicate the node that is to originate the recovery
    LSP, i.e. the segment branch node.  The address used SHOULD also be
    listed in the ERO or another SERO.

other than that, there's no required change, i.e., as always it's up 
to the TE application (and the PCE function) to decide which parts of 
the ERO should be loose or strict.

 From the practical application standpoint, I certainly see the value 
in the use of some strict subobjects.

Lou

At 02:23 PM 10/17/2006, Peng He wrote:

>Hello Lou,
>
>I am reading your draft on segment recovery. I wonder if the ERO (of
>the working LSP) in the PATH message must be strict? Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>Peng
>
>
>
>




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Hello Lou,

I am reading your draft on segment recovery. I wonder if the ERO (of
the working LSP) in the PATH message must be strict? Thanks.

Regards,
Peng



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This starts a two week working group last on 
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt

Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list by 12 midnight UK time 
on Monday 30th October

Thanks,
Adrian and Deborah 





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Cc: swallow@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [mpls] Fw: I-D ACTION:draft-swallow-rsvp-user-error-spec-00.txt 
From: George Swallow <swallow@cisco.com>
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> I wonder why the IEEE-controlled OUI is used to identify an organisation.  In
> other WG, I see the IANA-controlled private.enterprises branch of the ISO naming
> tree used.  Either would do but I would like to see an explanation.

I have no religion on this topic.  If the consensus is IANA, that's fine
by me.  I just want a convenient way to dis-ambiguate!

...george

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Subject: RE: Response to your communication on Ethernet Traffic Parameters
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:19:01 -0500
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From: "JONES Jim D" <Jim.d.Jones@alcatel.com>
To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" <dbrungard@att.com>, "Bill Fenner" <fenner@research.att.com>, "Ross Callon" <rcallon@juniper.net>

Dear Adrian and Deborah,

Thank you for this information. I will make sure this is communicated in
our 4Q06 meetings taking place in Dallas this coming week.

Best Regards,
Jim Jones
OIF Technical Committee Chair=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:16 PM
To: JONES Jim D
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS; Bill Fenner; Ross
Callon
Subject: Response to your communication on Ethernet Traffic Parameters

Hi Jim,

In August the OIF sent CCAMP a communication about the use of the
Ethernet
Traffic parameters described in
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-pa
rameters-00.txt

The communication asked a specific question:

"One concern was expressed during the discussion in our meeting: the
proposed format contains a switching granularity subfield that defines
whether port or frame granularity switching is used, and there were
comments
that it is not the granularity of switching that needs to be specified,
but
the portion of the frame that is considered in forwarding. These are the
Ethernet layers defined by IEEE standards that the OIF is considering.
For
example, we are currently looking at both Ethernet Private Line and
Ethernet
Virtual Private Line. In the latter case, switching is performed based
on
the VLAN identifier value, however the frame is still what is switched.
We
believe the terminology used in the new Tspec format may warrant further
consideration in CCAMP."

We agree, when frame-based switching is being applied it is important
for an
implementation to know what constitutes the label within each received
frame. Without this knowledge, it is (of course) impossible to correctly
switch the frames. However, it is not the job of the traffic parameters
(i.e. the TSpec) to convey this information.

Label type information is conveyed in the Generalized Label Request
object.
Specifically, the switching type is used to indicate what type of
switching
is required, although in many cases the label type should be obvious
from
the context of the TE link.

The CCAMP working group is open to the specification of values for
inclusion
in the Generalized Label Request to identify different Ethernet frame
switching paradigms, but please note that there are currently no
Ethernet
frame switching types defined as acceptable by the IEEE. When the IEEE
has
defined suitable data plane profiles, the CCAMP working group will be
happy
to accept work that clarifies how signaling should be used.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard
CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs






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From: "JONES Jim D" <Jim.d.Jones@alcatel.com>
To: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Cc: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, "Bill Fenner" <fenner@research.att.com>, "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" <dbrungard@att.com>, "Ross Callon" <rcallon@juniper.net>

Dear Adrian and Deborah,

Thank you for the timely update. I will bring these to the attention of
the OIF membership at our 4Q06 meetings taking place in Dallas this
coming week.

Best Regards,
Jim Jones
OIF Technical Committee Chair

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:25 PM
To: JONES Jim D
Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Bill Fenner; Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS; Ross
Callon
Subject: Notification of work in the IETF CCAMP working group

Dear Jim,

We would like to take this opportunity to inform you of the progress of
some=20
work items within the CCAMP working group of the IETF that may be of=20
interest and relevance to your members.

A new RFC has been published.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4631.txt provides some small updates and=20
clarifications to the SNMP MIB module for the Link Management Protocol=20
(LMP). It obsoletes RFC 4327, the previous version of this MIB module.=20
Section 14 of the new RFC shows a list of the changes.

The CCAMP working group continues to make good progress in many areas.
Full=20
details of the work of CCAMP can be found at
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html from where all of
the=20
latest revisions of the various RFCs and Internet-Drafts can be freely=20
downloaded without charge.

Four Internet-Drafts that may be of particular interest to your members.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-00.
txt=20
is a relatively new work item that examines the requirements and
procedures=20
for using GMPLS protocols to support Virtual Concatenation Groups across
TDM=20
networks. We believe this may be of particular interest to you in
support of=20
Ethernet services over TDM.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-
ospf-02.txt=20
describes extensions to the OSPF routing protocol to satisfy the ASON=20
routing requirements as set out in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt
in=20
the light of the evaluation provided in=20
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-
eval-03.txt=20
(both of which were written with considerable help from some of your=20
individual members).

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-pa
rameters-00.txt=20
which we have brought to your attention before, presents a GMPLS=20
Sender_TSpec (and hence a Flowspec) for Ethernet Traffic Parameters as=20
described in MEF.10.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-
01.txt=20
describes extensions to RSVP-TE for the establishment and management of=20
Calls in GMPLS networks, and for the association of LSPs (connections)
with=20
those Calls.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard=20





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Hi Jim,

In August the OIF sent CCAMP a communication about the use of the Ethernet
Traffic parameters described in
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt

The communication asked a specific question:

"One concern was expressed during the discussion in our meeting: the
proposed format contains a switching granularity subfield that defines
whether port or frame granularity switching is used, and there were comments
that it is not the granularity of switching that needs to be specified, but
the portion of the frame that is considered in forwarding. These are the
Ethernet layers defined by IEEE standards that the OIF is considering. For
example, we are currently looking at both Ethernet Private Line and Ethernet
Virtual Private Line. In the latter case, switching is performed based on
the VLAN identifier value, however the frame is still what is switched. We
believe the terminology used in the new Tspec format may warrant further
consideration in CCAMP."

We agree, when frame-based switching is being applied it is important for an
implementation to know what constitutes the label within each received
frame. Without this knowledge, it is (of course) impossible to correctly
switch the frames. However, it is not the job of the traffic parameters
(i.e. the TSpec) to convey this information.

Label type information is conveyed in the Generalized Label Request object.
Specifically, the switching type is used to indicate what type of switching
is required, although in many cases the label type should be obvious from
the context of the TE link.

The CCAMP working group is open to the specification of values for inclusion
in the Generalized Label Request to identify different Ethernet frame
switching paradigms, but please note that there are currently no Ethernet
frame switching types defined as acceptable by the IEEE. When the IEEE has
defined suitable data plane profiles, the CCAMP working group will be happy
to accept work that clarifies how signaling should be used.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard
CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs






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Dear Jim,

We would like to take this opportunity to inform you of the progress of some 
work items within the CCAMP working group of the IETF that may be of 
interest and relevance to your members.

A new RFC has been published.
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4631.txt provides some small updates and 
clarifications to the SNMP MIB module for the Link Management Protocol 
(LMP). It obsoletes RFC 4327, the previous version of this MIB module. 
Section 14 of the new RFC shows a list of the changes.

The CCAMP working group continues to make good progress in many areas. Full 
details of the work of CCAMP can be found at
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ccamp-charter.html from where all of the 
latest revisions of the various RFCs and Internet-Drafts can be freely 
downloaded without charge.

Four Internet-Drafts that may be of particular interest to your members.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-00.txt 
is a relatively new work item that examines the requirements and procedures 
for using GMPLS protocols to support Virtual Concatenation Groups across TDM 
networks. We believe this may be of particular interest to you in support of 
Ethernet services over TDM.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-ospf-02.txt 
describes extensions to the OSPF routing protocol to satisfy the ASON 
routing requirements as set out in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4258.txt in 
the light of the evaluation provided in 
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-eval-03.txt 
(both of which were written with considerable help from some of your 
individual members).

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-00.txt 
which we have brought to your attention before, presents a GMPLS 
Sender_TSpec (and hence a Flowspec) for Ethernet Traffic Parameters as 
described in MEF.10.

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-rsvp-te-call-01.txt 
describes extensions to RSVP-TE for the establishment and management of 
Calls in GMPLS networks, and for the association of LSPs (connections) with 
those Calls.

Regards,
Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard 





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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:08:33 +0100
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Hi,

We were copied on a liaison from ITU-T SG15 to the OIF discussing call and 
connection modification and deletion.

You can see the liaison at 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=271

The text is included below.

The liaison is for information only and we are not required to respond, but 
if anyone has anything they need to say...

Adrian

===

Q14/15 thanks OIF for the liaison statement (oif2006.258.02, 
TD283/3-SG15-2006) on the effort to align the signalling procedure in 
G.7713.2, OIF UNI/ENNI, and IETF for connection deletion.

We have tried to research the underlying rationale for the difference 
between G.7713.2 and RFC 3473 regarding this procedure. Note that G.7713.1, 
G.7713.2, and G.7713.3 were developed at the same time and it was a goal to 
maintain protocol behaviour consistency across the three. We think that one 
consideration might have been related to usage of a somewhat similar 
mechanism in previous ITU-T Q.931 signalling protocol to support a 3 message 
release sequence, where there is an initial message sent to notify the 
remote end that release is requested. However, in this procedure the initial 
message always results in release of the connection.

As a result the A bit is not used in G.7713.x for setting a permanent 
administrative state. It might therefore be used by G.7713.2 in the 
Path/Resv message to initiate deletion from an intermediate node instead of 
using the Notify message (as described in section 7.3 of RFC3473) so as to 
save one extra message type (i.e., the Notify message type).

In the management plane, prior to deleting (or performing maintenance on) a 
resource, it is a common practice to put the resource in the administrative 
"locked" state (equivalent to the administrative-down status). Our current 
thinking is that a similar feature in the control plane is worth 
consideration so as to maintain the same operational principle as in the 
management plane.



Q14/15 agrees with OIF's desire to support maximal alignment among these 
documents. We would like to have a structured approach for the alignment 
effort. Note that the existing G.7713 does not have abstract messages in 
support of connection deletion from intermediate nodes and connection state 
modification. So the first step is to develop the abstract messages to 
support these functionalities. Once these new abstract messages are defined, 
corresponding RSVP protocol details can be added to G.7713.2. The impact of 
the G.7713 and G.7713.2 changes on G.7713.1 and G.7713.3 might need to be 
considered too. SG15/Q14 would like to collaborate with the OIF in the 
alignment effort.

Here is a summary of required enhancements:

-        Connection Modification, currently for further study in G.7713 
(SP19), would have to be defined. This would allow for the capability to 
change the administrative status of a connection without deleting it. Once 
the abstract message is defined, the RSVP messages in G.7713.2 could be 
modified to align with RFC3473 and proper use of the A-bit.

-        An abstract message for deletion from intermediate nodes would have 
to be defined in G.7713. This message would then be mapped to proper RSVP 
protocol details in line with RFC3473.

Regarding the proposed solutions, we have the following comments:

-        For both proposals, there appears to be limitations in the 
backwards compatibility and it is not clear what the behaviour is when the 
old version (1.0) is surrounded by newer version (2.0).

-        oif2006.182.00 lacks a clear mapping of RSVP messages to abstract 
messages.

-        oif2006.232.00 seems to require provisioning/discovery of neighbour 
version for compatibility.

-        oif2006.232.00 introduces new abstract messages (Connection Modify 
Request/Connection Modify Indication/Connection Release Notify) that could 
be incorporated into G.7713

 An electronic copy of this liaison statement is available at: 
ftp://ftp.itu.int/tsg15opticaltransport/COMMUNICATIONS/index.html





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Heads up on this I-D.

We are proposing a backward-compatible way of conveying additional error 
information in RSVP.
This will make it a lot easier for user-defined error codes to be signalled, 
and is extensible for the inclusion of error-specific details.

Your comments would be welcomed.

Thanks,
Adrian
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>   The Resource ReserVation Protocol (RSVP) defines an ERROR_SPEC object
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	Title		: RSVP-TE Extensions in support of End-to-End 
                          Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Recovery
	Author(s)	: J. Lang, et al.
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This document describes protocol specific procedures and extensions 
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Heads up.

Adrian
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Hi,

Deborah and I will be working on the agenda some time early next week.

Please send us your requests.

Recall that the purpose of the meeting is to have active and constructive 
debate, not to present your work. Everyone can read your drafts so there is 
no requirement to present them. You should be asking for an agenda slot if 
you feel that:

- there is some point that has been discussed on the list that needs
  further debate
- you have questions or issues that you need the working group to
  help you resolve
- you have made a substantial change to a draft that you think people
  will have missed and might object to

New work can also be considered for an agenda slot where you would expect to 
discover whether there is support for the work. Criteria include:
- does the work address a charter milestone?
- is the work in scope for the working group?
- has the draft been discussed on the mailing list?

Thanks,
Adrian 





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Hi,

A new revision of the MPLS and GMPLS change process I-D is available. This 
process appears to be stable and we are thinking of taking to the IESG quite 
soon, so review it now or risk having to live with it.

The changes in this revision are largely to clarify the use of the 
Preliminary Investigation phase.

===
Section 1.2
Change 2119 boiler plate to
   Although this document is not a protocol definition, the key words
   "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD",
   "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document
   are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. This usage
   is chosen to make the steps and procedures completely clear.
===
Section 2.3 final paragraph
ADD
   It should be noted that the first stage in the change process is an
   optional Preliminary Investigation (see Section 4.2.1). This stage is
   explicitly included to allow external organizations to discuss
   requirements and proposed uses of the (G)MPLS technologies without
   the need to first develop Internet-Drafts, and builds on existing
   liaison processes where they exist.
===
Section 2.4
ADD
   o  Preliminary Investigation
      An optional preliminary phase that may be used to exchange views
      on a proposed requirement and usage of the (G)MPLS technologies
      without going to the effort of writing an Internet-Draft. This
      phase may be particularly useful to SDOs that have already
      invested heavily in documenting a problem statement, or may be
      used by anyone who wishes to hold discussions on the use of
      (G)MPLS.
===
Section 3
ADD para 2
   Whenever there is reason to believe that a particular problem may be
   solved by use of or extensions to the (G)MPLS protocols, a
   preliminary investigation phase may be used to discuss the
   requirements with the IETF. This may lead to an understanding that
   the problem is already solved, is outside the scope of the IETF, or
   requires more investigation possibly leading to changes to the
   (G)MPLS protocols.
===
Section 4.2.1 para 2
ADD
   In fact, although this step is described
   as lightweight because no Internet-Draft is required and because the
   nature of the step is discursive, it may be the case that this step
   involves considerable technical discussions and may, in fact, be an
   extensive, substantive exchange of opinions.
===
Section 4.2.1 para 3
s/may/MAY/
===
Section 4.2.1 final para
ADD
   A possible outcome of this preliminary invsetigation is that the
   requirements and problem are understood, but agreed to be out of
   scope for the IETF. Alternatively it may be that the problem can be
   solved with existing protocols.
===
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ADD
   (see Section 4.2.1)
===
Section 5.2 bullet 2
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   (see Section 4.2.1)
===
Section 8 para 4
s/may/MAY/
===

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	Title		: IGP Routing Protocol Extensions for Discovery of Traffic Engineering Node Capabilities
	Author(s)	: J. Vasseur, et al.
	Filename	: draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt
	Pages		: 15
	Date		: 2006-10-6
	
It is highly desired in several cases, to take into account Traffic 
   Engineering (TE) node capabilities during Multi Protocol Label 
   Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineered Label Switched Path (TE-LSP)  
   selection, such as for instance the capability to act as a branch 
   Label Switching Router (LSR) of a Point-To-MultiPoint (P2MP) LSP. 
   This requires advertising these capabilities within the Interior 
   Gateway Protocol (IGP). For that purpose, this document specifies 
   Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) and Intermediate System-Intermediate 
   System (IS-IS) traffic engineering extensions for the advertisement 
   of control plane and data plane traffic engineering node 
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The Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) suite of protocols has been defined to 
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The early, draft, unconfirmed agenda for San Diego has CCAMP on Monday 
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Dimitri,

I understand your concern about over-engineering. There is a tendency for 
"protocol engineers" to sit and look for corner cases in the protocol that 
they might be able to write specifications for. It might be more useful if 
they wrote implementations and tested the current protocols.

But, I don't think Dan is guilty. His draft proposes no protocol extensions 
and no new procedures. In fact, it is a clarification that no new protocol 
elements are required - the existing work already covers all cases without 
any further work being necessary. I think this is a useful thing to do, but 
not something I would expect to spend a lot of CCAMP cycles on.

Perhaps most useful would be to have a review from the authors of the 
original Graceful Restart draft to confirm that the procedures have been 
correctly interpreted and applied.

As to whether this is a common problem, that might be a question for 
software stack implementers, chip manufacturers, and power supply vendors. 
But clearly we thought it was possible for a single control plane instance 
to fail.

A
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be>
To: "Dan Li" <danli@huawei.com>
Cc: "ccamp" <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>; "Olufemi Komolafe" <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>; 
<gjhhit@huawei.com>; <owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,


> dan -
>
> ok - do we have a sense of the probability of multiple independent nodes
> failures - is that a common failure scenario operators are facing (and not
> a marginal case) ?
>
> or are we addressing common bugs affecting common equipment - in this case
> this topics is outside scope of CCAMP ?
>
> pls read between the lines i start to be seriously concerned by GMPLS
> protocol over-engineering - if the set currently available technique is
> still not enough for base deployment then it means the issue(s) is/are
> sitting somewhere else -
>
> thanks,
> - d.
>
>
>
>
> Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
> 30/09/2006 07:42
>
>        To:     Dimitri PAPADIMITRIOU/BE/ALCATEL@ALCATEL
>        cc:     ccamp <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, Olufemi Komolafe
> <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>, gjhhit@huawei.com, owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
>        Subject:        Re: Comments on
> draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>
>
> Hi Dimitri,
>
> There is nothing wrong with the GR draft, the mechanism described in that
> draft doesn't need any remedial patch, and it is applied to this draft.
> The reason we started working on this draft is try to clarify the control
> plane procedures for a GMPLS network when there are multiple node
> failures, and describes how full control plane state can be recovered
> depending on the order in which the nodes restart.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be>
> To: "Dan Li" <danli@huawei.com>
> Cc: "ccamp" <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>; "Olufemi Komolafe" <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>;
> <gjhhit@huawei.com>; <owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>
>
>> hi dan
>>
>> yes i have a very practical issue - the document would then deal with
>> remedial to remedial - ... but do we have any feedback on initial
>> remedials ?
>>
>> thanks,
>> - d.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
>> Sent by: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
>> 25/09/2006 09:27
>>
>>         To:     Olufemi Komolafe <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>, gjhhit@huawei.com
>>         cc:     ccamp <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
>>         Subject:        Re: Comments on
>> draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>>
>>
>> Hi Femi,
>>
>> Thanks for your valuable suggestion!
>>
>> The intention for this draft is clarify the procedures for multi-nodes
>> restart, so five typical scenarios have been listed in the draft, I
> think
>> most of the failed cases are covered by these five scenarios. As you
> have
>> pointed out, these scenarios may be raised due to multiple nodes fail,
> or
>> a subsequent control channel failure. Yes, you're right! It may be more
>> generic to classify these scenarios, such as: "What should happen if a
>> restarting node fails to get a RecoveryPath/Path message from its
>> downstream/upstream neighbor?", but I think it may be more clear to
>> address the specific cases in the draft at least during the initial
> stage.
>>
>> Any comments are very welcome!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Olufemi Komolafe
>> To: danli@huawei.com ; gjhhit@huawei.com
>> Cc: ccamp
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:45 PM
>> Subject: RE: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> While reading this draft it occurred to me that perhaps it might be more
>
>> useful to approach this topic from the perspective of "What can go wrong
>
>> during graceful restart, what are the consequences and how can it be
>> fixed?" rather than focusing on the narrower topic of multiple
>> simultaneous nodal faults.
>>
>> For example, Scenario 1 in the draft may be interpreted as "What should
>> happen if a (non-ingress) restarting node fails to get a RecoveryPath
>> message from its downstream neighbour?", Scenario 2 is "What should
> happen
>> if a (non-ingress) restarting node fails to get a Path message from its
>> upstream neighbour?" and so on.  Whether each of these scenarios arises
>> due to multiple simultaneous nodal faults (as in the draft) or any other
>
>> reason (e.g. a subsequent control channel failure, restarting node being
>
>> inundated with messages etc.) is, in my opinion, secondary.  I think the
>
>> key thing is to identify the potential problems and suggest appropriate
>> remedial actions, where the authors think existing documentation is
>> insufficient, rather than focusing on 5 different permutations of
> multiple
>> node graceful restart.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Femi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of Zafar Ali (zali)
>> Sent: 10 July 2006 04:04
>> To: danli@huawei.com; gjhhit@huawei.com
>> Cc: ccamp
>> Subject: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
>>
>> Dear Authors,
>>
>> This is Deja-vu to me....
>>
>> Draft draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-restart-ext-05.txt actually had a section on
>
>> multiple node restart case and was rejected by the WG as addressing
>> multiple node restart case is NOT a goal (suffers from the law of
>> diminishing return). In other words the following statement in the ID-
>>
>>    "[GR-EXT] also extends the Hello message to exchange information
> about
>>    the ability to support the RecoveryPath message.
>>    The examples and procedures in [GR-EXT] focus on the description of a
>
>>    single node restart when adjacent network nodes are operative.
>>    Although the procedures are equally applicable to multi-node
> restarts,
>>    no detailed explanation is provided."
>>
>> is not accurate. Please see section 4 on the earlier version of the
>> [GR-EXT],
>>
> http://www.faqs.org/ftp/pub/internet-drafts/draft-rahman-ccamp-rsvp-restart-extensions-00.txt
>
>> .
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards... Zafar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





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dan - 

ok - do we have a sense of the probability of multiple independent nodes 
failures - is that a common failure scenario operators are facing (and not 
a marginal case) ?

or are we addressing common bugs affecting common equipment - in this case 
this topics is outside scope of CCAMP ?

pls read between the lines i start to be seriously concerned by GMPLS 
protocol over-engineering - if the set currently available technique is 
still not enough for base deployment then it means the issue(s) is/are 
sitting somewhere else -

thanks,
- d.




Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
30/09/2006 07:42
 
        To:     Dimitri PAPADIMITRIOU/BE/ALCATEL@ALCATEL
        cc:     ccamp <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, Olufemi Komolafe 
<femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>, gjhhit@huawei.com, owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
        Subject:        Re: Comments on 
draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,


Hi Dimitri,

There is nothing wrong with the GR draft, the mechanism described in that 
draft doesn't need any remedial patch, and it is applied to this draft. 
The reason we started working on this draft is try to clarify the control 
plane procedures for a GMPLS network when there are multiple node 
failures, and describes how full control plane state can be recovered 
depending on the order in which the nodes restart.

Thanks,

Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be>
To: "Dan Li" <danli@huawei.com>
Cc: "ccamp" <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>; "Olufemi Komolafe" <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>; 
<gjhhit@huawei.com>; <owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,


> hi dan 
> 
> yes i have a very practical issue - the document would then deal with 
> remedial to remedial - ... but do we have any feedback on initial 
> remedials ?
> 
> thanks,
> - d. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Li <danli@huawei.com>
> Sent by: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
> 25/09/2006 09:27
> 
>         To:     Olufemi Komolafe <femi@dcs.gla.ac.uk>, gjhhit@huawei.com
>         cc:     ccamp <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
>         Subject:        Re: Comments on 
> draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
> 
> 
> Hi Femi,
> 
> Thanks for your valuable suggestion! 
> 
> The intention for this draft is clarify the procedures for multi-nodes 
> restart, so five typical scenarios have been listed in the draft, I 
think 
> most of the failed cases are covered by these five scenarios. As you 
have 
> pointed out, these scenarios may be raised due to multiple nodes fail, 
or 
> a subsequent control channel failure. Yes, you're right! It may be more 
> generic to classify these scenarios, such as: "What should happen if a 
> restarting node fails to get a RecoveryPath/Path message from its 
> downstream/upstream neighbor?", but I think it may be more clear to 
> address the specific cases in the draft at least during the initial 
stage.
> 
> Any comments are very welcome!
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Olufemi Komolafe 
> To: danli@huawei.com ; gjhhit@huawei.com 
> Cc: ccamp 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt,
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> While reading this draft it occurred to me that perhaps it might be more 

> useful to approach this topic from the perspective of "What can go wrong 

> during graceful restart, what are the consequences and how can it be 
> fixed?" rather than focusing on the narrower topic of multiple 
> simultaneous nodal faults.
> 
> For example, Scenario 1 in the draft may be interpreted as "What should 
> happen if a (non-ingress) restarting node fails to get a RecoveryPath 
> message from its downstream neighbour?", Scenario 2 is "What should 
happen 
> if a (non-ingress) restarting node fails to get a Path message from its 
> upstream neighbour?" and so on.  Whether each of these scenarios arises 
> due to multiple simultaneous nodal faults (as in the draft) or any other 

> reason (e.g. a subsequent control channel failure, restarting node being 

> inundated with messages etc.) is, in my opinion, secondary.  I think the 

> key thing is to identify the potential problems and suggest appropriate 
> remedial actions, where the authors think existing documentation is 
> insufficient, rather than focusing on 5 different permutations of 
multiple 
> node graceful restart. 
> 
> Regards,
> Femi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On 
Behalf 
> Of Zafar Ali (zali)
> Sent: 10 July 2006 04:04
> To: danli@huawei.com; gjhhit@huawei.com
> Cc: ccamp
> Subject: Comments on draft-li-ccamp-multinodes-gr-proc-00.txt, 
> 
> Dear Authors, 
> 
> This is Deja-vu to me.... 
> 
> Draft draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-restart-ext-05.txt actually had a section on 

> multiple node restart case and was rejected by the WG as addressing 
> multiple node restart case is NOT a goal (suffers from the law of 
> diminishing return). In other words the following statement in the ID- 
> 
>    "[GR-EXT] also extends the Hello message to exchange information 
about 
>    the ability to support the RecoveryPath message. 
>    The examples and procedures in [GR-EXT] focus on the description of a 

>    single node restart when adjacent network nodes are operative. 
>    Although the procedures are equally applicable to multi-node 
restarts, 
>    no detailed explanation is provided." 
> 
> is not accurate. Please see section 4 on the earlier version of the 
> [GR-EXT], 
> 
http://www.faqs.org/ftp/pub/internet-drafts/draft-rahman-ccamp-rsvp-restart-extensions-00.txt

> . 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Regards... Zafar 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>