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If the restarted control plane = becomes operational quickly relative to the hello interval, the upstream node = may not detect the restarting of downstream node and therefore, may send a PATH = message without recovery label causing errors and unwanted connection deletion. To resolve the aforementioned problem, the following procedures are = proposed=20 and are meant to work together with the recovery procedures documented = in [RFC3473]. Here, it is assumed that the restarting node and the = neighboring=20 node(s) support Hello extension as documented in [RFC3209] and recovery=20 procedures documented in [RFC3473]. After a node restarts its control plane, it should ignore and silently = drop=20 all RSVP-TE messages, except hello messages, it receives from any = neighbor to which, no Hello session has been established. The restarting node should follow [RFC3209] to establish Hello sessions = with=20 its neighbors, after its control plane becomes operational.=20 The restarting node resumes processing of RSVP-TE messages sent from = each neighbor to which the Hello session has been established. +---------------------------+ Could you please incorporate this into the GR description ID. Regarding the second issue, I think the real problem starts when after = the communication failure all nodes C, D and E restart. A---B-x...x-C---D---E-x...x-F---G In the example, above nodes C and E are isolated from the neighboring = nodes B and F. In this=20 scenario the LSPs may get deleted from D after the recovery timer = expires. The reason for this is since both nodes C and E restarted there is no RSVP-TE state in either = nodes to recover the state in node D. Thanks, Snigdho -----Original Message----- From: Dan Li [mailto:danli@huawei.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:14 AM To: Adrian Farrel; Bardalai, Snigdho; Ccamp (E-mail) Subject: Re: Questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new Extensions Hi, Please see my comments below. Regards, Dan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Bardalai, Snigdho" ; "Ccamp = (E-mail)" Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new = Extensions > Hi Snigdho, >=20 > Always good to have reports of use of the more advanced functions. >=20 > Some thoughts... >=20 > We can do some work to fix up the SRefresh behavior, but I don't think = it=20 > actually helps, because if Summary Refresh is not being used, exactly = the=20 > same scenario can arise with a Path Refresh. In other words, fixing = the=20 > SRefresh would not fix the problem. [dan] Agree. Changing the behavior of SRefresh message would not help. >=20 > In some circumstances, the window in the scenario you have drawn is = very=20 > small.. The SRefresh *and* the Path Refresh must be sent by N1 between = N2=20 > completing restart and N2's first Hello arriving at N1. One could say = that=20 > N2 should ignore all received messages until it has Hellos up and = running.=20 > That would guarantee that N1 knew about the restart. [dan] The time window size depends on how quickly the restarted node = sends=20 out the Hello message after the communication comes back. I would like = to see=20 N2 ignore all received messages until it receives the ACK of the Hello = message=20 from N1. =20 >=20 > That simply requires that when startup completes N2 must: > - either > - immediately send a new Hello to each neighbor > or > - respond to any first received message from a > neighbor with which it does not have an active > Hello exchange by sending a Hello > - ignore all subsequent RSVP messages except Hellos > from neighbors with which it does not have an active > Hello exchange > [dan] Agree with Adrian. =20 > We should understand why N2 sends PathErr. "Resources in use" could = either=20 > mean that *all* resources are already in use, or the limit resources=20 > required on the Path message (i.e. Upstream Label or Label Set) are = already=20 > in use. >=20 > In all cases, the error code should indicate that the requested new = resource=20 > allocation cannot be satisfied (N2 thinks this is a new LSP). >=20 > In the case of no resource being available, the PathErr MUST [3473] = contain=20 > "Routing problem/MPLS label allocation failure". > In the case of failure because the Label Set cannot be satisfied, the=20 > PathErr MUST [3473] carry "Routing problem/Label Set". In the case of=20 > failure because of Upstream Label N2 MUST [3473] send a PathErr with=20 > "Routing problem/Unacceptable label value" and MAY include an = Acceptable=20 > Label Set object. >=20 > So, I would suggest that N1 may be over-reacting to the PathErr from = N2.=20 > Presumably N1 expects that the LSP is up and running - ii already has = Resv=20 > state and data is probably flowing. So any of these three error codes = (all=20 > of which represent LSP setup errors) should cause N1 to suspect = something=20 > slightly strange is happening. Before getting too agitated and taking = the=20 > dramatic step of tearing the LSP, it should just check that everything = else=20 > is functioning correctly, and part of that process would be to send a = Hello=20 > if one has not been sent/received for a considerable period of time. >=20 > In fact, your situation arises either because the Hello period is set = far to=20 > large (i.e. larger than the neighbor's whole restart cycle) or because = N1 is=20 > not considering any difference between normal and hello-degraded = states. The=20 > former is a configuration error. The latter should allow the PathErr = to be=20 > treated with more care than a simple PathTear. [dan] Usually the traffic carried by the data plane is required not be = touched when the control plane fails. So N1 should be very careful to take any = actions to tear down the LSP. >=20 > With regard to your second question. Yes, we believe that all cases of = > multiple failures are handled by the restart procedures without = refresh=20 > failure causing state to be deleted. However, the text for this was = removed=20 > from the graceful restart draft before publication (actually, long = ago) as=20 > second order failures really clogged up the draft. Instead, we have=20 > draft-ietf-ccamp-gr-description-00.txt. >=20 > I suggest: >=20 > 1. The situation you describe in your first scenario (with and without = > SRefresh) should be included in the GR-Description I-D. >=20 > 2. You should check the GR-Description I-D to see whether it answers = your=20 > questions about multiple failures. >=20 > In both cases, I am sure the authors would welcome suggested text and=20 > pointer to what they could change. [dan] Yes, you're welcome to send us the proposed text for = GR-Description ID. >=20 > Cheers, > Adrian > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Bardalai, Snigdho" > To: "Ccamp (E-mail)" > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 5:18 PM > Subject: Questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new Extensions >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have a couple of questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new=20 > extensions being propose in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-restart-ext-09. >=20 > Did anybody come across any issues when the hello interval duration = times=20 > the failure multiple (typically 3) is too large compared to the = neighboring=20 > node restart duration? For example, if the RSVP-TE interval is 10 = seconds,=20 > the multiple is 3 and the neighboring node restarts within 10 seconds = then=20 > it is possible that the RSVP-TE hello will never detect a hello = failure. >=20 > RFC3473 does describe detection of a node restart in this case based = on a=20 > new source instance in the hello message, but we have come across an = issue=20 > with NACKs being generated for an Srefresh message in this scenario. >=20 > Please look-at the sequence diagram below: >=20 > N1 N2 > | | > | X (Restart start) > | HELLO | > |-------------------------------->| > | | > | SRefresh | > |-------------------------------->| > | | > | HELLO | > |-------------------------------->| > | | > | X (Restart complete) > | SRefresh | > |-------------------------------->| > | NACK | > |<--------------------------------| > | Path (without recovery label) | > |-------------------------------->| > | X (resoure allocation failed = because the=20 > resouces are in use) > | PathErr | > |<--------------------------------| > | PathTear | > |-------------------------------->| > X (CON deletion) X (XCON deletion) > | | >=20 > The issue is because N1 did not detect a hello failure it continues = sending=20 > SRefreshes which may get NACKed by N2 once restart completes because = there=20 > is no Path state corresponding to the SRefresh message. This NACK = causes a=20 > Path refresh message to be generated but there is no RECOVERY_LABEL = because=20 > N1 did not yet detect that N2 has restarted because hello exchanges = have not=20 > yet started. PLEASE NOTE: This is based on an actual implementation = and a=20 > real test. >=20 > What is the solution to this issue because I don't see either N1 or N2 = doing=20 > anything that is not compliant as per the current RFCs? Or is there=20 > something I have missed? >=20 > The other issue I wanted to understand is with respect to the graceful = > restart extension. Will the RecoveryPath message handle issues when=20 > communication fails and a node restarts? There may be issues when = somes=20 > nodes in the LSP path gets isolated from both upstream and downstream = ends. >=20 > Example, >=20 > A---B-x...x-C---D---E-x...x-F---G >=20 > Nodes C, D and E are isolated. If this condition persists and node's = C,D and=20 > E restarts. Will the LSP get deleted after the recovery timer expires = in=20 > node D? 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Dear CCAMPers,

We have published an individual draft - Evaluation of Possible Interior Gateway Protocol Extensions for Wavelength Switching Optical Networks.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-draf/draft-li-ccamp-wson-igp-eval-00.txt

[WSON-FRAME] (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wavelength-switched-02.txt) provides control plane models for key wavelength switched optical network subsystems and processes. Section 5.2 of [WSON-FRAME] describes the subsystem properties which may be conveyed via an Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP).

This document discusses the set of Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) requirements that would enable distributed light path computation in Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSON). An IGP impact analysis is also provided. According to the analysis, there is no significant impact on the IGP performance.

Please be noted, not all the detailed wavelength information needs to be carried by IGP, in most cases, only the changes of the wavelength resource are advertised in the WSON.
We appreciate your comments and suggestions!
 
Regards,


Dan Li
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Commercial flights to the French capital were sold out, while thousands of England supporters have booked to travel on the Eurostar rail service from London to Paris.


About 80,000 rugby fans are expected to attend Saturday's World Cup final between England and South Africa.


Before visiting Iran, Putin held extensive talks on Iran's nuclear activities with some Western leaders including French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.


High demand has pushed upward the price of a pair of tickets for the final to as much as $3,000 in eBay auctions.


A police officer and the woman's lawyer also were injured, but not seriously, police said.


Eurostar has advised its customers to avoid all travel on Thursday and it has cancelled some of its trains on Thursday and Friday.



"He was shooting like crazy at everybody," officer Antonio Turi said.


TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin made an unspecified proposal about Iran's nuclear program at a private meeting with the country's supreme leader during a brief trip to Tehran, Iran's state news agency said Wednesday.


Khamenei told Putin that Iran is serious about continuing uranium enrichment in turn but wants to avoid adventurism and cooperate with the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the news agency said.


The man and his wife were attending a court hearing in Reggio Emilia as part of separation proceedings when he pulled out a gun and pointed it at his wife and her brother, then started shooting randomly, police said.


Officials close to hard-liners within Iran's ruling Islamic establishment said they believed the proposal by Putin was a type of "time out" on U.N. sanctions against Iran, if Tehran suspends uranium enrichment. The two officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the issue.


"The main reason for Putin's visit to Iran was to convey this message personally to the ultimate power inIran," one official said.


The five permanent U.N. Security Council members, plus Germany, have been working together to try to find a way to get Iran to abandon its uranium enrichment program. The U.S. and some allies allege that the program is cover for a weapons program. Iran says it is intended purely for peaceful energy production.


Vladimir Putin's visit was the first by a Kremlin leader to Iran since 1943.


ROME, Italy (AP) -- A man opened fire in a courtroom in northern Italy on Wednesday, seriously wounding his estranged wife and killing her brother before being shot to death by police, officials said.


With Paris hotels booked full many fans are staying 30 kilometers (20 miles) outside the city in hotels around Disneyland's Paris resort.


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Best regards, Attila From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 07 09:02:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IplUC-0000jC-0J for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:02:28 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IplUB-0000d6-Hx for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:02:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IplG9-0000Ma-U6 for ccamp-data@psg.com; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:47:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [212.23.3.140] (helo=pythagoras.zen.co.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IplFy-0000LB-FC for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:47:51 +0000 Received: from [88.96.235.142] (helo=aria-networks.com) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IplFk-0000MO-S9; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:47:33 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([81.140.15.32]) by aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:47:32 +0000 Message-ID: <0e0f01c82144$bc3fa700$5aa92f40@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: , , , , , , , References: Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:47:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 13:47:32.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEDA2800:01C82144] X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [88.96.235.142] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Hi, Hoorah for Microsoft Word! The version of the I-D submitted after WG last call had some formatting problems. This revision is ready to go to the ADs, but we will wait for the update to the Evaluation I-D first. Cheers, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "IETF I-D Submission Tool" To: Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07 > > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07.txt has been > successfuly submitted by Adrian Farrel and posted to the IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs > Revision: 07 > Title: Requirements for GMPLS-Based Multi-Region and Multi-Layer Networks > (MRN/MLN) > Creation_date: 2007-11-07 > WG ID: ccamp > Number_of_pages: 24 > > Abstract: > Most of the initial efforts to utilize Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) > have been related to environments hosting devices with a single > switching capability. The complexity raised by the control of such > data planes is similar to that seen in classical IP/MPLS networks. > By extending MPLS to support multiple switching technologies, GMPLS > provides a comprehensive framework for the control of a multi- > layered network of either a single switching technology or multiple > switching technologies. > > In GMPLS, a switching technology domain defines a region, and a > network of multiple switching types is referred to in this document > as a Multi-Region Network (MRN). 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for GMPLS-Based Multi-Region and Multi-Layer Networks (MRN/MLN) Author(s) : K. Shiomoto, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2007-11-07 Most of the initial efforts to utilize Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) have been related to environments hosting devices with a single switching capability. The complexity raised by the control of such data planes is similar to that seen in classical IP/MPLS networks. By extending MPLS to support multiple switching technologies, GMPLS provides a comprehensive framework for the control of a multi- layered network of either a single switching technology or multiple switching technologies. In GMPLS, a switching technology domain defines a region, and a network of multiple switching types is referred to in this document as a Multi-Region Network (MRN). 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Could you conceive of using your I-D to meet the > >>>>>>>>>>> requirements > >>>>>>>>>>> of the Vasseur I-D? > >>>>>>>>>> In order for me to answer this question I'd like to get a > >>>>>>>>>> clear > >>>>>>>>>> description of the requirements of the Vasseur I-D. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to fight JP's battles for him. > >>>>>>>>> Just trying to find out whether we have two problem spaces or > >>>>>>>>> one. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I think the abstract of his I-D is relatively clear: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> This document proposes MP-BGP protocol extension so as to > >>>>>>>>> convey > >>>>>>>>> Traffic Engineering Link characterictics of PE (Provider > >>>>>>>>> Edge) - CE > >>>>>>>>> (Customer Edge) links in order to extend the visibility > >>>>>>>>> of the > >>>>>>>>> Traffic Engineering Database to those links. This can then > >>>>>>>>> be used > >>>>>>>>> to more efficiently compute CE-to-CE Traffic Engineering > >>>>>>>>> Label > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yakov, let me know if you need further clarification on the > >>>>>>>> application ... sounds > >>>>>>>> pretty obvious, extend the TED to some PE-CE links where a CE > >>>>>>>> to CE > >>>>>>>> TE LSP > >>>>>>>> is needed. The path computation piece is then very much > >>>>>>>> similar to > >>>>>>>> inter-domain TE (per domain, PCE, ...). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Given the above I could conceive of using the BGP TE > >>>>>>> attribute, as > >>>>>>> defined in draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, to meet the > >>>>>>> requirements > >>>>>>> of your I-D. I hope that answers Adrian's question. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Well for the CE to CE application, we need all TE link attribute > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> the PE-CE links, thus our proposal to reuse the TE link > >>>>>> attributes > >>>>>> already defined for the IGPs ? > >>>>> > >>>>> If there is a CCAMP WG consensus to add additional information to > >>>>> what is currently specified in the BGP TE attribute the authors of > >>>>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute have no problems with adding this > >>>>> info > >>>>> to what is presently specified in draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> On the first question, I do not think that there is yet a CCAMP > >>>> consensus > >>>> (on both drafts by the way). Furthermore, if we can agree to > >>>> simply reuse > >>>> the IGP-TE TLVs to be carried in BGP for the "PE-CE" links we are > >>>> effectively merging the two IDs, which I had proposed to do since > >>>> a single draft would then serve both applications and may be future > >>>> ones. Makes sense ? > >>> > >>> No, it does *not* make sense, and here is why. There should be a > >>> separate draft that just defines the BGP TE attribute. Then there > >>> may be one or more other drafts that describe applications that > >>> *use* the BGP TE attribute. Such drafts would just point to the > >>> first draft. > >> > >> Unfortunately, as defined, it is not generic enough to support other > >> applications. > > > > As I said before (in my e-mail on Oct 10): > > > > If there is a CCAMP WG consensus to add additional information to > > what is currently specified in the BGP TE attribute the authors of > > draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute have no problems with adding this info > > to what is presently specified in draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute. > > Sure my concern is basically to see an ID redefining all TE related > attributes rather than carrying in a new BGP attributes all TLVs > that have been defined already for IGPs ? > > > > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute is the former - it just defines the > >>> BGP TE attribute. draft-vasseur-ccamp-ce-ce-te-02 is the latter - > >>> it defines an application that uses the BGP TE attribute. > >> > >> With the major difference being that we proposed to reuse the IGP TE > >> TLVs. > >> > >> We do agree on using BGP to carry TE related data such such > >> "external" > >> links but why not reusing the IGP TE TLVs instead of defining a > >> new BGP > >> attribute > > > > In BGP all the information is carried as BGP *attributes* - one can > > not take IGP TE TLVs and stuff then "as is" into a BGP Update > > message. Which means that carrying any new information in BGP > > *requires* to define a new BGP attribute (that is precisely why we > > defined a new BGP TE attribute). > > > > Hopefully that answer your question of "why not reusing the IGP TE > > TLVs instead of defining a new BGP attribute". > > > >> that will not have the ability to support other > >> applications. > >> In particular, for the CE to CE case, we'll need all the TE link > >> characteristics, as defined in IGP TE. > > > > See my first comment above. > > > >> The approach of having a generic ID defining the protocol details and > >> other applicability statement is fine but I'd rather have a different > >> approach for that generic draft. > > > > So, you withdraw the suggestion you made in your e-mail on Oct 11 > > to merge draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute and your draft. > > No no ... I'm proposing to define a BGP attribute carrying the IGP TE > TLV. So, you do not want to withdraw your proposal to merge draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute and your draft. Correct ? If yes, then what your proposal to define a BGP attribute carrying the IGP TE has to do with your proposal to merge these two drafts ? > >>> That is precisely why it does not make any sense to merge the two > >>> IDs. > >>> > >>> Yet another reason why merging the two IDs does not make sense is > >>> that the BGP TE attribute, as specified in draft-fedyk-bgp-te- > >>> attribute, > >>> carries the *GMPLS* TE information, while in your draft you propose > >>> to carry just *MPLS* TE, but *not* GMPLS TE information. Quoting > >>> from your draft: > >>> > >>> This document also defines a new attribute called the > >>> TE attribute which carries the set of sub-TLVs defined in > >>> [RFC3784]. > >>> The format of the BGP TE attribute will be defined in a further > >>> revision of this document. > >>> > >>> Note that rfc3784 is about *MPLS* TE extensions. GMPLS TE extensions > >>> are defined in rfc4203. > >> > >> Of course, the same approach can be taken for GMPLS. > >> > >>> Wrt reusing the IGP-TE TLVs, if you look at what is carried in the > >>> BGP TE attribute, as specified in draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, you > >>> should be able to notice that is has precisely the same encoding > >>> as the Interface Switching Capability Descriptor sub-TLV (as defined > >>> in rfc4203). > >> > >> Absolutely, but it does not have the appropriate MPLS TE attributes, > >> (TE metrics, colors, but also other TLVs defined in other RFCs) > >> hence my proposal to reuse the MPLS and GMPLS TE extensions > >> specified for IGP TE. > > > > See my comments above. > > > > With all this in mind let me suggest that if you think BGP needs > > to carry more information than what is currently defined in > > draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, then after CCAMP WG accepts > > draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute as a CCAMP WG document you get consensus > > of the CCAMP WG that this information is indeed has to be added, > > and then we'll add it to the document. > > Well this is the approach of (potentially) redefining everything as > opposed to carrying the IGP TE TLV in that new BGP attribute ? Here is the list of IGP(OSPF) TE TLVs, as defines in rfc3630: 1 - Link type 2 - Link ID 3 - Local interface IP address 4 - Remote interface IP address 5 - Traffic engineering metric 6 - Maximum bandwidth 7 - Maximum reservable bandwidth 8 - Unreserved bandwidth 9 - Administrative group rfc4203 adds the following TE TLVs to the above list: 11 - Link Local/Remote Identifiers 14 - Link Protection Type 15 - Interface Switching Capability Descriptor 16 - Shared Risk Link Group Do you propose to carry all of the above TLVs in a single BGP attribute ? If yes, do you propose to carry just what is listed above, or do you propose to carry some other TLVs, in addition to what is listed above ? If you propose to carry only some (but not all) of the above TLVs, then which of the above TLVs do you propose to carry ? Yakov. From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 07 11:32:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpnpM-0004AZ-7j for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:32:28 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpnpL-0006QF-Km for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:32:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IpncV-000Bn4-Dr for ccamp-data@psg.com; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:19:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [66.226.64.2] (helo=pro.abac.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ipnbv-000Bk4-Q4 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:18:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.131] (c-71-202-41-42.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.41.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by pro.abac.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7GIV7c012021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:18:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gregb@grotto-networking.com) Message-ID: <4731E557.3090701@grotto-networking.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:18:31 -0800 From: Greg Bernstein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-extensions-00.txt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Hi folks, the previous questions I had about inter-layer adaptation within a region was not resolved, i.e., I'd like to use the cited mechanism to advertise VCAT/LCAS capability (which is inter-layer, but would be considered intra-region). On reviewing the latest MLN/MRN requirements draft I only found one mention of "adaptation". Don't these documents need to be brought into alignment? Regards Greg B. Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > > Title : Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Protocol Extensions for Multi-Layer and Multi-Region Networks (MLN/MRN) > Author(s) : D. Papadimitriou, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-extensions-00.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2007-11-04 > > There are requirements for the support of networks ccomprising LSRs > with different data plane switching layers controlled by a single > Generalized Multi Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control plane > instance, referred to as GMPLS Multi-Layer Networks/Multi-Region > Networks (MLN/MRN). 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------=_NextPart_000_673B_01C82187.1FFB65D0-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 07 17:05:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipt1q-0001JG-On for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:05:42 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipt1p-0004AJ-Sj for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:05:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ipsm1-0000xn-Mi for ccamp-data@psg.com; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:49:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [216.82.245.131] (helo=mail146.messagelabs.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IpslR-0000tk-V8 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:49:05 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: dbrungard@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-146.messagelabs.com!1194472121!8603760!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.54] Received: (qmail 27709 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 21:48:41 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.54) by server-10.tower-146.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 21:48:41 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA7LmfeN006951 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:48:41 -0500 Received: from OCCLUST04EVS1.ugd.att.com (ocst08.ugd.att.com [135.38.164.13]) by mlpi135.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id lA7LmYNT006902 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:48:35 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C82187.F1B401C3" Subject: Draft Liaison - ASON Routing Loop Prevention Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:48:33 -0600 Message-ID: <449B2580D802A443A923DABF3EAB82AF0F77F3A9@OCCLUST04EVS1.ugd.att.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Draft Liaison - ASON Routing Loop Prevention Thread-Index: Acghh/FBXBsJKFeRRo+7FOurA1VN4g== From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" To: Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ee80a2074afbfe28d15369f4e74e579d This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82187.F1B401C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi CCAMP, =20 We need to respond on ITU-T Q14/15's recent Liaison: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/370/ =20 Here's a proposed response, appreciate any comments by Nov. 13. =20 Thanks, Deborah =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 To: ITU-T Q14/15 From: IETF CCAMP Working Group Cc: Stephen Trowbridge, Kam Lam, Scott Bradner, Dave Ward, Ross Callon, CCAMP Working Group Subject: ASON Routing Loop Prevention For Action The IETF's CCAMP Working Group thanks you for your liaison entitled "Liaison Statement to CCAMP on ASON Routing Loop Prevention" issued from your Stuttgart interim meeting in September 2007. Your understanding is correct, the Associated Area ID reflects the area from which the routing information is received. For your example, it would reflect C, not D. As the description in Section 6.3.1 of our draft was misunderstood, we will add clarifications. Thank you for flagging your concerns about reconfiguration scenarios. As you say in your liaison, the frequency of reconfigurations that require the change of Area ID is unlikely to be high, but we recognize the importance of making sure such procedures can be followed without unduly opening up scope for operator error and without causing excessive configuration activity. In this respect, we have been guided by the reorganization requirements set out in RFC 4258 and the evaluation scenarios described in RFC 4652. As described in 6.3 of the draft, the use of the Associated Area ID is only required in scenarios when more than one RC is bound to an adjacent level of the hierarchy and both are configured to redistribute routing information. As the operational aspects remain a concern to you, we will add text to the draft to further clarify aspects of OSPF operations for reorganization scenarios. Please let us know of any remaining operational concerns. Best regards, Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82187.F1B401C3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 CCAMP,
 
We = need to respond=20 on ITU-T Q14/15's recent Liaison:
https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/liaison/370/
 
Here's = a proposed=20 response, appreciate any comments by Nov. 13.
 
Thanks,
Deborah
 
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To: ITU-T Q14/15

From: IETF CCAMP Working Group

Cc: Stephen Trowbridge, Kam Lam, Scott = Bradner, Dave=20 Ward, Ross Callon, CCAMP Working = Group

Subject: ASON Routing Loop = Prevention

For Action

The IETF's CCAMP Working Group thanks you = for your=20 liaison entitled "Liaison Statement to CCAMP on ASON Routing Loop Prevention" issued from your = Stuttgart interim=20 meeting in September 2007.

Your understanding is correct, the = Associated Area ID=20 reflects the area from which the routing information is received. For = your example, it would reflect C, not D. = As the=20 description in Section 6.3.1 of = our draft=20 was misunderstood, we will add=20 clarifications.

Thank you for=20 flagging your concerns about reconfiguration scenarios. As you say in = your=20 liaison, the frequency of reconfigurations that require the change of = Area ID is=20 unlikely to be high, but we recognize the importance of making sure such = procedures can be followed without unduly opening up scope for operator = error=20 and without causing excessive configuration activity. In this respect, = we have=20 been guided by the reorganization requirements set out in RFC 4258 and = the=20 evaluation scenarios described in RFC 4652. As described in = 6.3 of the draft, the use of the = Associated Area ID=20 is only required in scenarios when more than one RC is bound to an adjacent level of the = hierarchy and=20 both are configured to redistribute routing information. As the = operational aspects remain a concern to you, = we will add text to the draft to further clarify = aspects of OSPF=20 operations for reorganization=20 scenarios.

Please let us know of any remaining = operational=20 concerns.

Best regards,

Adrian Farrel and Deborah = Brungard

IETF CCAMP Working Group = Co-Chairs

 

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------=_NextPart_000_2961_01C822CF.E4FCB340-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 09 10:07:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqVSJ-0005jp-H9 for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:07:35 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqVSF-0000XI-AB for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:07:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IqV36-0003In-Oh for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:41:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [64.102.122.148] (helo=rtp-iport-1.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IqV2b-0003Bm-Mh for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:41:17 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,395,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="75586418" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2007 09:12:30 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA9ECTAj001143; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:12:29 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lA9ECHe2009153; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:12:21 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:12:10 -0500 Received: from 10.86.104.180 ([10.86.104.180]) by xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:12:10 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:12:08 -0500 Subject: Re: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document From: JP Vasseur To: Yakov Rekhter CC: Adrian Farrel , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document Thread-Index: Acgi2oM7wbv0lI7NEdyHogANk8WjQA== In-Reply-To: <200711071543.lA7FhLn24158@magenta.juniper.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2007 14:12:10.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[84A4D8F0:01C822DA] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-8.0.0.1181-5.000.1023-15534.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--10.532600-8.000000-31 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2358; t=1194617549; x=1195481549; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20accepting=20draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt=20as= 20a=20CCAMP=20WG=0A=20document=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20Yakov=20Rekhter=20; bh=37ErTM86kN2MjRA+HZLOGRwZILdt2n/TR54vFNZOYRg=; b=h+pFM4O89gkjMqtp4OFYsdzva+cUaMPbQfGp2YUgES+qx1Lg+Sb5p+4C/EG36bsf/hEX+mHB Vrg5+RItwq4Dfqjyi7DTcx8G2JXrHI6LwGhMDUnbNsx4xV4B6cxRXaQb; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Hi Yakov, [snip] >>> >>> With all this in mind let me suggest that if you think BGP needs >>> to carry more information than what is currently defined in >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, then after CCAMP WG accepts >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute as a CCAMP WG document you get consensus >>> of the CCAMP WG that this information is indeed has to be added, >>> and then we'll add it to the document. >> >> Well this is the approach of (potentially) redefining everything as >> opposed to carrying the IGP TE TLV in that new BGP attribute ? > > Here is the list of IGP(OSPF) TE TLVs, as defines in rfc3630: > > 1 - Link type > 2 - Link ID > 3 - Local interface IP address > 4 - Remote interface IP address > 5 - Traffic engineering metric > 6 - Maximum bandwidth > 7 - Maximum reservable bandwidth > 8 - Unreserved bandwidth > 9 - Administrative group > > rfc4203 adds the following TE TLVs to the above list: > > 11 - Link Local/Remote Identifiers > 14 - Link Protection Type > 15 - Interface Switching Capability Descriptor > 16 - Shared Risk Link Group > > Do you propose to carry all of the above TLVs in a single BGP > attribute ? > > If yes, do you propose to carry just what is listed above, or do > you propose to carry some other TLVs, in addition to what is listed > above ? > > If you propose to carry only some (but not all) of the above TLVs, > then which of the above TLVs do you propose to carry ? I think that we first need to agree on the approach ... You define a new BGP attribute to carry some Link attributes whereas we propose to define a generic BGP attribute used to carry TE Link attributes that have already been defined for IGPs. If, as I think, your intention is to carry in that BGP attributes physical link attributes (as opposed to any form of aggregated TE information), then why not reusing existing TE TLVs that have already been defined for IGPs ? If we agree to adopt this approach, my proposal was to (1) define a generic BGP attribute with (2) application use cases companion documentS. (1) Could be yours if you agree with the changes. (2) draft-vasseur-ccamp-ce-ce-te could point to (1) and document the CE to CE use case. Thoughts ? Thanks. JP. > > Yakov. 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------=_NextPart_000_345A1_01C82643.19DC4730-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 13 17:20:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Is47Q-0000hd-At for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:20:28 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Is47M-0005tP-PR for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:20:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Is3s0-0002i0-Ar for ccamp-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:04:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [144.254.224.140] (helo=ams-iport-1.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Is3rR-0002fP-02 for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:04:14 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,412,1188770400"; d="scan'208";a="157625502" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2007 23:03:56 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lADM3tNc014490; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:03:55 +0100 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lADM3t6l007494; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:03:55 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-332.cisco.com ([144.254.231.73]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:03:55 +0100 Received: from [10.61.64.77] ([10.61.64.77]) by xfe-ams-332.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:03:54 +0100 Message-ID: <473A1FCE.4020202@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:06:06 +0100 From: Giovanni Martinelli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Bernstein CC: ccamp Subject: Re: New draft on optical impairments signaling References: <1F2FBF50FB955441A11316BAE835CED404646B7C@xmb-ams-338.emea.cisco.com> <4734BA0D.9010309@grotto-networking.com> In-Reply-To: <4734BA0D.9010309@grotto-networking.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2007 22:03:54.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[150BBE40:01C82641] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-8.0.0.1181-5.000.1023-15542.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--17.497400-8.000000-31 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2439; t=1194991435; x=1195855435; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; z=From:=20Giovanni=20Martinelli=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20New=20draft=20on=20optical=20impairments=20signaling |Sender:=20; bh=bki8wqbMfyk+NxzL0LMaybp4r74JvWDpu7cjz5rv8/k=; b=RmCvJQWiCwGR33Gd7b2uq09rWuQdFsay/GJNIStJISwvHzCoKglFvYyGZTssF7YaFoZdZgAI +H26gI5JaqsmxOlZiSEUSDBUj0pSP0G/9sfSCh0TzzMDTnWUe3m/0sq1; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=giomarti@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Hi Greg, thanks for your comments, please see inline some initial considerations... 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Per-domain path computation method for establishing Inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2007-11-16 This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of network elements within a common sphere of address management or path computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous Systems. Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. 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Changes are editorial, there was only one very minor normative change: Section 4 OLD: If the next-hop is reachable, then it SHOULD find a domain boundary LSR (domain boundary point) to get to the next-hop. NEW: If the available routing information indicates that next-hop is reachable, the selected route will be expected to pass through a domain boundary via a domain boundary LSR. Thanks. JP. ------ Forwarded Message > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:50:02 -0500 > To: > Cc: > Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working > Group of the IETF. > > > Title : A Per-domain path computation method for establishing > Inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) > Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2007-11-16 > > This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for > establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol > Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched > Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of > network elements within a common sphere of address management or path > computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous > Systems. > > Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain > TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE > LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. This is most > likely to arise owing to TE visibility limitations. The signaling > message indicates the destination and nodes up to the next domain > boundary. It may also indicate further domain boundaries or domain > identifiers. The path through each domain, possibly including the > choice of exit point from the domain, must be determined within the > domain. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp > -06.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-ID: <2007-11-16154725.I-D\@ietf.org> > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce ------ End of Forwarded Message From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 16 17:03:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It9I0-0004XF-EV for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:03:52 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It9Hw-0003o9-Ih for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:03:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1It93Z-000HjF-71 for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:48:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, STOX_REPLY_TYPE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [62.128.201.248] (helo=asmtp1.iomartmail.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1It92z-000Hfa-Au for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:48:41 +0000 Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lAGLmB1c021390; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:48:11 GMT Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAGLm9uH021367; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:48:10 GMT Message-ID: <033301c8289a$5dd03560$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "JP Vasseur" , Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" References: Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:47:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: f49c97ce49302a02285a2d36a99eef8c Thanks JP. I don't think this is a normative change. It is editorial because a previous incorrect use of RFC 2119 language in text that did not describe processing rules has been fixed. Changing SHOULD to should would also have fixed the issue. Cheers, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "JP Vasseur" To: Cc: "Adrian Farrel" ; "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: FW: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt > Hi, > > A new revision of has been posted that takes into account a set of good > comments that we received during Gen-Art review that are addressed in this > new revision. > > Changes are editorial, there was only one very minor normative change: > > Section 4 > > OLD: > > If the next-hop is reachable, then it SHOULD > find a domain boundary LSR (domain boundary point) to get to the > next-hop. > > NEW: > > If the available routing information indicates > that next-hop is reachable, the selected route will be expected to > pass through a domain boundary via a domain boundary LSR. > > Thanks. > > JP. > > > ------ Forwarded Message >> From: >> Reply-To: >> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:50:02 -0500 >> To: >> Cc: >> Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane >> Working >> Group of the IETF. >> >> >> Title : A Per-domain path computation method for establishing >> Inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) >> Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. >> Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt >> Pages : 23 >> Date : 2007-11-16 >> >> This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for >> establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol >> Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched >> Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of >> network elements within a common sphere of address management or path >> computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous >> Systems. >> >> Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain >> TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE >> LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. This is most >> likely to arise owing to TE visibility limitations. The signaling >> message indicates the destination and nodes up to the next domain >> boundary. It may also indicate further domain boundaries or domain >> identifiers. The path through each domain, possibly including the >> choice of exit point from the domain, must be determined within the >> domain. >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp >> -06.txt >> >> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of >> the message. >> You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >> to change your subscription settings. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >> username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After >> logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then >> "get draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt". >> >> A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> >> Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. >> >> Send a message to: >> mailserv@ietf.org. >> In the body type: >> "FILE >> /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt". >> >> NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in >> MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this >> feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" >> command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or >> a MIME-compliant mail reader. 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It is editorial because a previous > incorrect use of RFC 2119 language in text that did not describe processing > rules has been fixed. Changing SHOULD to should would also have fixed the > issue. Right, thanks. Cheers. JP. > > Cheers, > Adrian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JP Vasseur" > To: > Cc: "Adrian Farrel" ; "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:00 PM > Subject: FW: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt > > >> Hi, >> >> A new revision of has been posted that takes into account a set of good >> comments that we received during Gen-Art review that are addressed in this >> new revision. >> >> Changes are editorial, there was only one very minor normative change: >> >> Section 4 >> >> OLD: >> >> If the next-hop is reachable, then it SHOULD >> find a domain boundary LSR (domain boundary point) to get to the >> next-hop. >> >> NEW: >> >> If the available routing information indicates >> that next-hop is reachable, the selected route will be expected to >> pass through a domain boundary via a domain boundary LSR. >> >> Thanks. >> >> JP. >> >> >> ------ Forwarded Message >>> From: >>> Reply-To: >>> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:50:02 -0500 >>> To: >>> Cc: >>> Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>> directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane >>> Working >>> Group of the IETF. >>> >>> >>> Title : A Per-domain path computation method for establishing >>> Inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) >>> Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. >>> Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt >>> Pages : 23 >>> Date : 2007-11-16 >>> >>> This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for >>> establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol >>> Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched >>> Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of >>> network elements within a common sphere of address management or path >>> computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous >>> Systems. >>> >>> Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain >>> TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE >>> LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. This is most >>> likely to arise owing to TE visibility limitations. The signaling >>> message indicates the destination and nodes up to the next domain >>> boundary. It may also indicate further domain boundaries or domain >>> identifiers. The path through each domain, possibly including the >>> choice of exit point from the domain, must be determined within the >>> domain. >>> >>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-co >>> mp >>> -06.txt >>> >>> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >>> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of >>> the message. >>> You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >>> to change your subscription settings. >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >>> username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After >>> logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then >>> "get draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt". >>> >>> A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >>> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >>> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >>> >>> Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. >>> >>> Send a message to: >>> mailserv@ietf.org. >>> In the body type: >>> "FILE >>> /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt". >>> >>> NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in >>> MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this >>> feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" >>> command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or >>> a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers >>> exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with >>> "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split >>> up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on >>> how to manipulate these messages. >>> >>> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >>> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >>> Internet-Draft. >>> Content-Type: text/plain >>> Content-ID: <2007-11-16154725.I-D\@ietf.org> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> I-D-Announce mailing list >>> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message >> From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 16 17:27:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It9fA-0004py-Qt for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:27:48 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It9f8-0004sH-CR for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:27:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1It9Nf-000JPh-Or for ccamp-data@psg.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:09:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [156.154.24.138] (helo=ns3.neustar.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1It9Mz-000JLy-4R for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:09:27 +0000 Received: from ietf.org (stiedprweb1.va.neustar.com [10.91.34.42]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FBA175E4; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:08:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirror by ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1It9Mx-0004YT-Bn; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:08:59 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Jones Cc: Stephen Trowbridge , Kam Lam , Scott Bradner , Dave Ward , Ross Callon , CCAMP Working Group , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard From: Adrian Farrel (IETF CCAMP WG) Subject: New Liaison Statement, "ASON Routing Loop Prevention" Reply-To: Adrian Farrel Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:08:59 -0500 Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Title: ASON Routing Loop Prevention Submission Date: 2007-11-16 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=383 From: Adrian Farrel(IETF CCAMP WG) To: ITU-T Q14/15(Greg Jones ) Cc: Stephen Trowbridge Kam Lam Scott Bradner Dave Ward Ross Callon CCAMP Working Group Reponse Contact: Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Technical Contact: Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Purpose: In response Body: The IETF's CCAMP Working Group thanks you for your liaison entitled "Liaison Statement to CCAMP on ASON Routing Loop Prevention" issued from your Stuttgart interim meeting in September 2007. Your understanding is correct, the Associated Area ID reflects the area from which the routing information is received. For your example, it would indicate area C, not area D. As the description in Section 6.3.1 of our draft was misunderstood, we will add clarifications. Thank you for flagging your concerns about reconfiguration scenarios. As you say in your liaison, the frequency of such reconfigurations that include a change to the Area ID is unlikely to be high, but we recognize the importance of making sure such procedures can be followed without unduly opening up scope for operator error, and without causing excessive configuration activity. In this respect, we have been guided by the reorganization requirements set out in RFC 4258 and the evaluation scenarios described in RFC 4652. 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C82A3E.B5C69B10-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 18 21:17:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItwCb-0005vY-Ie for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:17:33 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItwCY-0000lM-1w for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:17:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Itvv9-000MgR-By for ccamp-data@psg.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:59:31 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [61.144.161.53] (helo=szxga01-in.huawei.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ItvuZ-000Md8-Hs for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:59:15 +0000 Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JRQ00KXLDHX71@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:58:45 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JRQ00DIIDHW3W@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:58:45 +0800 (CST) Received: from l37133 ([10.70.77.75]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JRQ0075KDHWK8@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:58:44 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:58:44 +0800 From: Dan Li Subject: Re: Vancouver agenda To: Greg Bernstein , Adrian Farrel Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org, "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Message-id: <013c01c82a4f$b72494b0$4b4d460a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <011a01c81b0f$4dad1fb0$5aa92f40@your029b8cecfe> <4727B1DB.30805@grotto-networking.com> Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Hi Adrian, Deborah and Greg, We would like to ask for a small slot in WSON session to present our draft: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/draft-li-ccamp-wson-igp-eval-00.txt Thanks, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Bernstein" To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: ; "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Vancouver agenda > Hi Adrian, there seems to be some interest in the wavelength switched > optical stuff. There should be: > (a) framework discussion/draft (we've updated and would like this to be > a working group draft) > (b) label format (I was hoping Otani et. al. would be updating their draft) > (c) signaling discussions (I've just submitted a draft and last time > Xu/King had a draft) > (d) information for RWA (I'll be submitting this shortly, its > independent of how we distribute it, e.g., an IGP or some other method) > > Hence this would make a moderately "chunky" session or sub-session. > > Regards > > Greg B. > > Adrian Farrel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We have again requested two meetings for Vancouver (although the > > Secretariat appears to have allocated three!). > > > > So we need to start building our agenda. > > > > We want to have some chunky sessions to discuss > > - The progress with GELS > > - Issues and developments for distribution of TE information > > from outside ASes > > See > > - Mach's I-Ds for inter-AS TE links > > - Yakov/Don's I-D for BGP-TE > > - JP's (expired?) proposal for CE-PE TE link advertisement > > in BGP > > > > What else would you like to see on the agenda? > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian (per pro Deborah) > > > > > > > > -- > =================================================== > Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 > > > From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 18 21:30:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItwPF-0003Jd-Mg for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:30:37 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItwPC-0001BI-TZ for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:30:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Itw87-000NgX-AD for ccamp-data@psg.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:12:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [61.144.161.55] (helo=szxga03-in.huawei.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Itw7Z-000Ney-GS for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:12:35 +0000 Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JRQ00AC6E4KVS@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:20 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JRQ007OEE4JLL@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:20 +0800 (CST) Received: from l37133 ([10.70.77.75]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JRQ00FSGE4JCY@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:19 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:19 +0800 From: Dan Li Subject: New version of draft-ietf-ccamp-gr-description-01.txt To: ccamp Cc: "Deborah A. 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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C82AF2.54B10A40-- From owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 19 16:08:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuDrD-0002rt-4c for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:08:39 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuDrC-0002yE-Li for ccamp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:08:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IuDbu-0009aR-ON for ccamp-data@psg.com; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:52:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 Received: from [64.18.2.155] (helo=exprod7og101.obsmtp.com) by psg.com with smtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IuDbj-0009Xw-Vg for ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:52:45 +0000 Received: from source ([66.129.224.36]) by exprod7ob101.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:52:13 PST Received: from magenta.juniper.net ([172.17.27.123]) by emailsmtp56.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:51:57 -0800 Received: from juniper.net (sapphire.juniper.net [172.17.28.108]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id lAJKptn88694; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:51:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yakov@juniper.net) Message-Id: <200711192051.lAJKptn88694@magenta.juniper.net> To: JP Vasseur cc: Yakov Rekhter , Adrian Farrel , ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:12:08 EST." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <88531.1195505515.1@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:51:55 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2007 20:51:57.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[0659F180:01C82AEE] Sender: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a JP, > >>> With all this in mind let me suggest that if you think BGP needs > >>> to carry more information than what is currently defined in > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, then after CCAMP WG accepts > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute as a CCAMP WG document you get consensus > >>> of the CCAMP WG that this information is indeed has to be added, > >>> and then we'll add it to the document. > >> > >> Well this is the approach of (potentially) redefining everything as > >> opposed to carrying the IGP TE TLV in that new BGP attribute ? > > > > Here is the list of IGP(OSPF) TE TLVs, as defines in rfc3630: > > > > 1 - Link type > > 2 - Link ID > > 3 - Local interface IP address > > 4 - Remote interface IP address > > 5 - Traffic engineering metric > > 6 - Maximum bandwidth > > 7 - Maximum reservable bandwidth > > 8 - Unreserved bandwidth > > 9 - Administrative group > > > > rfc4203 adds the following TE TLVs to the above list: > > > > 11 - Link Local/Remote Identifiers > > 14 - Link Protection Type > > 15 - Interface Switching Capability Descriptor > > 16 - Shared Risk Link Group > > > > Do you propose to carry all of the above TLVs in a single BGP > > attribute ? > > > > If yes, do you propose to carry just what is listed above, or do > > you propose to carry some other TLVs, in addition to what is listed > > above ? > > > > If you propose to carry only some (but not all) of the above TLVs, > > then which of the above TLVs do you propose to carry ? > > I think that we first need to agree on the approach ... You define a new BGP > attribute to carry some Link attributes whereas we propose to define a > generic BGP attribute used to carry TE Link attributes that have already > been defined for IGPs. If, as I think, your intention is to carry in that > BGP attributes physical link attributes (as opposed to any form of > aggregated TE information), then why not reusing existing TE TLVs that have > already been defined for IGPs ? > > If we agree to adopt this approach, my proposal was to (1) define a generic > BGP attribute with (2) application use cases companion documentS. Before we start to discuss how to encode information in BGP, we first need to settle on what information to encode. With this in mind I am still waiting for you to answer my question above. Namely, out of all the TLVs I listed above do you propose to carry all of them in BGP ? If not then which one ? Yakov. 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Can you also clarify what NLRI/NLRIs this new attribute will be "attached" to ? In IGPs we do flood links and nodes ... in BGP we distribute reachability to particular prefixes. Also could you clarify how based on such NLRI it will be inserted into TE database in the peering AS ? Thx, R. > Hi Yakov, > > [snip] > > >>> > >>> With all this in mind let me suggest that if you think BGP needs > >>> to carry more information than what is currently defined in > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, then after CCAMP WG accepts > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute as a CCAMP WG document you get consensus > >>> of the CCAMP WG that this information is indeed has to be added, > >>> and then we'll add it to the document. > >> > >> Well this is the approach of (potentially) redefining everything as > >> opposed to carrying the IGP TE TLV in that new BGP attribute ? > > > > Here is the list of IGP(OSPF) TE TLVs, as defines in rfc3630: > > > > 1 - Link type > > 2 - Link ID > > 3 - Local interface IP address > > 4 - Remote interface IP address > > 5 - Traffic engineering metric > > 6 - Maximum bandwidth > > 7 - Maximum reservable bandwidth > > 8 - Unreserved bandwidth > > 9 - Administrative group > > > > rfc4203 adds the following TE TLVs to the above list: > > > > 11 - Link Local/Remote Identifiers > > 14 - Link Protection Type > > 15 - Interface Switching Capability Descriptor > > 16 - Shared Risk Link Group > > > > Do you propose to carry all of the above TLVs in a single BGP > > attribute ? > > > > If yes, do you propose to carry just what is listed above, or do > > you propose to carry some other TLVs, in addition to what is listed > > above ? > > > > If you propose to carry only some (but not all) of the above TLVs, > > then which of the above TLVs do you propose to carry ? > > I think that we first need to agree on the approach ... 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As far as the CE to CE application is concerned (our ID) we basically need all the attributes specified in RFC3630/3784. By the way, just a quick note to mention that the aim of our ID is to optimize the path computation of a CE to CE LSPs thus avoiding a single PCE (PE the head-end CE is attached to) when computing the shortest constrained CE to CE path as opposed to two PCEs using the BRPC procedure for a TE LSP traversing 3 domains. Cheers. JP. > > Yakov. 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Papadimitriou Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2007-11-20 This document described the Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) - specific Ethernet Traffic Parameters as described in MEF10.1 when using Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-20164919.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-20164919.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce --NextPart-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:58:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:55:14 -0500 Subject: Re: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document From: JP Vasseur To: Yakov Rekhter CC: Adrian Farrel , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document Thread-Index: AcgskZO00n6WOJiEEdy88gANk8WjQA== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3401; t=1195685723; x=1196549723; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20accepting=20draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt=20as= 20a=20CCAMP=20WG=0A=20document=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20Yakov=20Rekhter=20; bh=wluF5162Ge0dN/jVqIN9Ioyxijfxzl+hOyyU/q9Cp+Q=; b=LIyhMUR+hZZDL4fXw8W+fqVlc1ND7g9YGSZzRFVtUCE1YL5qVuSo5P44HPiW4nC0yVQ3j0bq tvyN+McdabmAZGAxC/qA9+5H67G70tXq2XaRHe14YOaZIplNM6xiIHcZ; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Hi Yakov, > From: Yakov Rekhter > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:51:55 -0800 > To: JP Vasseur > Cc: Yakov Rekhter , Adrian Farrel , > > Subject: Re: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG > document > > JP, > >>>>> With all this in mind let me suggest that if you think BGP needs >>>>> to carry more information than what is currently defined in >>>>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, then after CCAMP WG accepts >>>>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute as a CCAMP WG document you get consensus >>>>> of the CCAMP WG that this information is indeed has to be added, >>>>> and then we'll add it to the document. >>>> >>>> Well this is the approach of (potentially) redefining everything as >>>> opposed to carrying the IGP TE TLV in that new BGP attribute ? >>> >>> Here is the list of IGP(OSPF) TE TLVs, as defines in rfc3630: >>> >>> 1 - Link type >>> 2 - Link ID >>> 3 - Local interface IP address >>> 4 - Remote interface IP address >>> 5 - Traffic engineering metric >>> 6 - Maximum bandwidth >>> 7 - Maximum reservable bandwidth >>> 8 - Unreserved bandwidth >>> 9 - Administrative group >>> >>> rfc4203 adds the following TE TLVs to the above list: >>> >>> 11 - Link Local/Remote Identifiers >>> 14 - Link Protection Type >>> 15 - Interface Switching Capability Descriptor >>> 16 - Shared Risk Link Group >>> >>> Do you propose to carry all of the above TLVs in a single BGP >>> attribute ? >>> >>> If yes, do you propose to carry just what is listed above, or do >>> you propose to carry some other TLVs, in addition to what is listed >>> above ? >>> >>> If you propose to carry only some (but not all) of the above TLVs, >>> then which of the above TLVs do you propose to carry ? >> >> I think that we first need to agree on the approach ... You define a new BGP >> attribute to carry some Link attributes whereas we propose to define a >> generic BGP attribute used to carry TE Link attributes that have already >> been defined for IGPs. If, as I think, your intention is to carry in that >> BGP attributes physical link attributes (as opposed to any form of >> aggregated TE information), then why not reusing existing TE TLVs that have >> already been defined for IGPs ? >> >> If we agree to adopt this approach, my proposal was to (1) define a generic >> BGP attribute with (2) application use cases companion documentS. > > Before we start to discuss how to encode information in BGP, we > first need to settle on what information to encode. > > With this in mind I am still waiting for you to answer my question > above. Namely, out of all the TLVs I listed above do you propose > to carry all of them in BGP ? If not then which one ? As far as the CE to CE application is concerned (our ID) we basically need all the attributes specified in RFC3630/3784. By the way, just a quick note to mention that the aim of our ID is to optimize the path computation of a CE to CE LSPs thus avoiding a single PCE (PE the head-end CE is attached to) when computing the shortest constrained CE to CE path as opposed to two PCEs using the BRPC procedure for a TE LSP traversing 3 domains. Cheers. JP. > > Yakov. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:40:05 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c82c43$856af770$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Draft agenda uploaded Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:36:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, You can see the draft agenda at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/agenda/ccamp.htm Please have a look and comment. Thanks, Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:16:56 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:15:02 -0500 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Ethernet Traffic Parameters Author(s) : D. Papadimitriou Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2007-11-20 This document described the Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) - specific Ethernet Traffic Parameters as described in MEF10.1 when using Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ethernet-traffic-parameters-03.txt". 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The IESG contact persons are Ross Callon and David Ward. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt Technical Summary This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of network elements within a common sphere of address management or path computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous Systems. Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. This is most likely to arise owing to TE visibility limitations. The signaling message indicates the destination and nodes up to the next domain boundary. It may also indicate further domain boundaries or domain identifiers. The path through each domain, possibly including the choice of exit point from the domain, must be determined within the domain. Working Group Summary no dissent reported. There are other possible choices for inter-AS or inter-domain path computation (such as PCE). This document describes one choice. Protocol Quality Ross Callon reviewed the spec for the IESG. Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard (WG co-chairs) have also both reviewed the spec. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:26:58 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:50:02 -0500 Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Per-domain path computation method for establishing Inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2007-11-16 This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of network elements within a common sphere of address management or path computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous Systems. Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. This is most likely to arise owing to TE visibility limitations. The signaling message indicates the destination and nodes up to the next domain boundary. It may also indicate further domain boundaries or domain identifiers. The path through each domain, possibly including the choice of exit point from the domain, must be determined within the domain. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-16154725.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-16154725.I-D\@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce --NextPart-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:12:48 +0000 Message-ID: <4741FBC3.20909@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:10:27 -0800 From: Robert Raszuk Reply-To: raszuk@juniper.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JP Vasseur CC: Yakov Rekhter , Adrian Farrel , ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi JP, > You define a new BGP > attribute to carry some Link attributes whereas we propose to define a > generic BGP attribute used to carry TE Link attributes that have already > been defined for IGPs. Can you also clarify what NLRI/NLRIs this new attribute will be "attached" to ? In IGPs we do flood links and nodes ... in BGP we distribute reachability to particular prefixes. Also could you clarify how based on such NLRI it will be inserted into TE database in the peering AS ? Thx, R. > Hi Yakov, > > [snip] > > >>> > >>> With all this in mind let me suggest that if you think BGP needs > >>> to carry more information than what is currently defined in > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, then after CCAMP WG accepts > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute as a CCAMP WG document you get consensus > >>> of the CCAMP WG that this information is indeed has to be added, > >>> and then we'll add it to the document. > >> > >> Well this is the approach of (potentially) redefining everything as > >> opposed to carrying the IGP TE TLV in that new BGP attribute ? > > > > Here is the list of IGP(OSPF) TE TLVs, as defines in rfc3630: > > > > 1 - Link type > > 2 - Link ID > > 3 - Local interface IP address > > 4 - Remote interface IP address > > 5 - Traffic engineering metric > > 6 - Maximum bandwidth > > 7 - Maximum reservable bandwidth > > 8 - Unreserved bandwidth > > 9 - Administrative group > > > > rfc4203 adds the following TE TLVs to the above list: > > > > 11 - Link Local/Remote Identifiers > > 14 - Link Protection Type > > 15 - Interface Switching Capability Descriptor > > 16 - Shared Risk Link Group > > > > Do you propose to carry all of the above TLVs in a single BGP > > attribute ? > > > > If yes, do you propose to carry just what is listed above, or do > > you propose to carry some other TLVs, in addition to what is listed > > above ? > > > > If you propose to carry only some (but not all) of the above TLVs, > > then which of the above TLVs do you propose to carry ? > > I think that we first need to agree on the approach ... You define a new BGP > attribute to carry some Link attributes whereas we propose to define a > generic BGP attribute used to carry TE Link attributes that have already > been defined for IGPs. If, as I think, your intention is to carry in that > BGP attributes physical link attributes (as opposed to any form of > aggregated TE information), then why not reusing existing TE TLVs that have > already been defined for IGPs ? > > If we agree to adopt this approach, my proposal was to (1) define a generic > BGP attribute with (2) application use cases companion documentS. > > (1) Could be yours if you agree with the changes. > (2) draft-vasseur-ccamp-ce-ce-te could point to (1) and document the CE to > CE use case. > > Thoughts ? > > Thanks. > > JP. > > > > > Yakov. > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:54:14 +0000 Message-Id: <200711192051.lAJKptn88694@magenta.juniper.net> To: JP Vasseur cc: Yakov Rekhter , Adrian Farrel , ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <88531.1195505515.1@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:51:55 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter JP, > >>> With all this in mind let me suggest that if you think BGP needs > >>> to carry more information than what is currently defined in > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, then after CCAMP WG accepts > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute as a CCAMP WG document you get consensus > >>> of the CCAMP WG that this information is indeed has to be added, > >>> and then we'll add it to the document. > >> > >> Well this is the approach of (potentially) redefining everything as > >> opposed to carrying the IGP TE TLV in that new BGP attribute ? > > > > Here is the list of IGP(OSPF) TE TLVs, as defines in rfc3630: > > > > 1 - Link type > > 2 - Link ID > > 3 - Local interface IP address > > 4 - Remote interface IP address > > 5 - Traffic engineering metric > > 6 - Maximum bandwidth > > 7 - Maximum reservable bandwidth > > 8 - Unreserved bandwidth > > 9 - Administrative group > > > > rfc4203 adds the following TE TLVs to the above list: > > > > 11 - Link Local/Remote Identifiers > > 14 - Link Protection Type > > 15 - Interface Switching Capability Descriptor > > 16 - Shared Risk Link Group > > > > Do you propose to carry all of the above TLVs in a single BGP > > attribute ? > > > > If yes, do you propose to carry just what is listed above, or do > > you propose to carry some other TLVs, in addition to what is listed > > above ? > > > > If you propose to carry only some (but not all) of the above TLVs, > > then which of the above TLVs do you propose to carry ? > > I think that we first need to agree on the approach ... You define a new BGP > attribute to carry some Link attributes whereas we propose to define a > generic BGP attribute used to carry TE Link attributes that have already > been defined for IGPs. If, as I think, your intention is to carry in that > BGP attributes physical link attributes (as opposed to any form of > aggregated TE information), then why not reusing existing TE TLVs that have > already been defined for IGPs ? > > If we agree to adopt this approach, my proposal was to (1) define a generic > BGP attribute with (2) application use cases companion documentS. Before we start to discuss how to encode information in BGP, we first need to settle on what information to encode. With this in mind I am still waiting for you to answer my question above. Namely, out of all the TLVs I listed above do you propose to carry all of them in BGP ? If not then which one ? Yakov. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:17:31 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-04.txt Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:15:01 -0500 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Evaluation of existing GMPLS Protocols against Multi Layer and Multi Region Networks (MLN/MRN) Author(s) : D. Papadimitriou, J. Le Roux Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2007-11-19 This document provides an evaluation of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) protocols and mechanisms against the requirements for Multi-Layer Networks (MLN) and Multi-Region Networks (MRN). In addition, this document identifies areas where additional protocol extensions or procedures are needed to satisfy these requirements, and provides guidelines for potential extensions. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-04.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-04.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-04.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-19134530.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-04.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-eval-04.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-19134530.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:24:20 +0000 Message-ID: <013601c82ab7$92cc6670$9601010a@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" , "Loa Andersson" Subject: Half a re-charter Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:22:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We have had our re-charter accepted to include the GELS work. The text parts of the charter page have been updated. The milestones have not. The former means that GELS mailing list can now be closed and all work moved back on to CCAMP. Loa, can you send out a final email on the GELS list as you close it? The latter is really beyond my understanding. Hopefully the Secretariat will make the updates in dues course. Failing that, I will put the milestones on the alternative CCAMP pages. Thanks, Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:13:08 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-02.txt Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:10:01 -0500 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF Extensions in Support of Inter-AS Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering Author(s) : M. Chen, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-02.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2007-11-19 This document describes extensions to the OSPF version 2 and 3 protocols to support Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering(TE) for multiple Autonomous Systems (ASes). OSPF-TE v2 and v3 extensions are defined for the flooding of TE information about inter-AS links which can be used to perform inter-AS TE path computation. No support for flooding TE information from other outside the AS is proposed or defined in this document. Conventions used in this document The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC-2119 [RFC2119]. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-19040550.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-02.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-interas-te-extension-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-19040550.I-D\@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:13:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:19 +0800 From: Dan Li Subject: New version of draft-ietf-ccamp-gr-description-01.txt To: ccamp Cc: "Deborah A. Brungard" , "Bardalai, Snigdho" , Arun Satyanarayana , "Farrel, Adrian" , "Gao, Jianhua" Message-id: <015901c82a51$9cf468c0$4b4d460a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear CCAMPers, A new version of draft-ietf-ccamp-gr-description-01.txt has been published: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gr-description-01 Section 6 (Clarification of Restarting Node Procedure) in this updated draft is added to clarify how to handle the particular case of the node restart: "If the restarted control plane becomes operational quickly, the upstream node may not detect the restarting of downstream node.", in this case, the upstream node may send a PATH message without recovery label causing errors and unwanted connection deletion. Any comments are very welcome! Best regards, Dan Li Advanced Technology Department Wireline Networking Business Unit Huawei Technologies Co., LTD. 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If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! *************************************************************************************** Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:02:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:58:44 +0800 From: Dan Li Subject: Re: Vancouver agenda To: Greg Bernstein , Adrian Farrel Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org, "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Message-id: <013c01c82a4f$b72494b0$4b4d460a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Adrian, Deborah and Greg, We would like to ask for a small slot in WSON session to present our draft: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/draft-li-ccamp-wson-igp-eval-00.txt Thanks, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Bernstein" To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: ; "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Vancouver agenda > Hi Adrian, there seems to be some interest in the wavelength switched > optical stuff. There should be: > (a) framework discussion/draft (we've updated and would like this to be > a working group draft) > (b) label format (I was hoping Otani et. al. would be updating their draft) > (c) signaling discussions (I've just submitted a draft and last time > Xu/King had a draft) > (d) information for RWA (I'll be submitting this shortly, its > independent of how we distribute it, e.g., an IGP or some other method) > > Hence this would make a moderately "chunky" session or sub-session. > > Regards > > Greg B. > > Adrian Farrel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We have again requested two meetings for Vancouver (although the > > Secretariat appears to have allocated three!). > > > > So we need to start building our agenda. > > > > We want to have some chunky sessions to discuss > > - The progress with GELS > > - Issues and developments for distribution of TE information > > from outside ASes > > See > > - Mach's I-Ds for inter-AS TE links > > - Yakov/Don's I-D for BGP-TE > > - JP's (expired?) proposal for CE-PE TE link advertisement > > in BGP > > > > What else would you like to see on the agenda? > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian (per pro Deborah) > > > > > > > > -- > =================================================== > Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:10:37 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Jones Cc: Stephen Trowbridge , Kam Lam , Scott Bradner , Dave Ward , Ross Callon , CCAMP Working Group , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard , Adrian Farrel , Deborah Brungard From: Adrian Farrel (IETF CCAMP WG) Subject: New Liaison Statement, "ASON Routing Loop Prevention" Reply-To: Adrian Farrel Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:08:59 -0500 Title: ASON Routing Loop Prevention Submission Date: 2007-11-16 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=383 From: Adrian Farrel(IETF CCAMP WG) To: ITU-T Q14/15(Greg Jones ) Cc: Stephen Trowbridge Kam Lam Scott Bradner Dave Ward Ross Callon CCAMP Working Group Reponse Contact: Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Technical Contact: Adrian Farrel Deborah Brungard Purpose: In response Body: The IETF's CCAMP Working Group thanks you for your liaison entitled "Liaison Statement to CCAMP on ASON Routing Loop Prevention" issued from your Stuttgart interim meeting in September 2007. Your understanding is correct, the Associated Area ID reflects the area from which the routing information is received. For your example, it would indicate area C, not area D. As the description in Section 6.3.1 of our draft was misunderstood, we will add clarifications. Thank you for flagging your concerns about reconfiguration scenarios. As you say in your liaison, the frequency of such reconfigurations that include a change to the Area ID is unlikely to be high, but we recognize the importance of making sure such procedures can be followed without unduly opening up scope for operator error, and without causing excessive configuration activity. In this respect, we have been guided by the reorganization requirements set out in RFC 4258 and the evaluation scenarios described in RFC 4652. As described in 6.3 of the draft, the use of the Associated Area ID is only required in scenarios when more than one RC is bound to an adjacent level of the hierarchy and both are configured to redistribute routing information. As the operational aspects remain a concern to you, we will add text to the draft to further clarify aspects of OSPF operations for reorganization scenarios. Please let us know of any remaining operational concerns. Best regards, Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs Attachment(s): No document has been attached Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:00:27 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:58:38 -0500 Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt From: JP Vasseur To: Adrian Farrel , CC: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt Thread-Index: Acgom9d2FktyrJSPEdyN6QANk8WjQA== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=5725; t=1195250321; x=1196114321; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20I-D=20Action=3Adraft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path- comp-06.txt=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20Adrian=20Farrel=20,=20; bh=QzGK4xvKobJibgKoXX0il8fcdWglU5Jv7TQtT6OM1YA=; b=jia8wEo5bhU0fY6yP2ugXiFrucKYDYZ5HPeYxPWuKXHDEqKiop2BvXW0J65TYgemdn7ZT3S3 6rJpL/zqEAdivGiVy0pf3OJUV6nEc+LoN1MooXrl1LxOljFgpxmXJYtJ; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Hi Adrian, > From: Adrian Farrel > Reply-To: Adrian Farrel > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:47:58 -0000 > To: JP Vasseur , > Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" > Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt > > Thanks JP. > > I don't think this is a normative change. It is editorial because a previous > incorrect use of RFC 2119 language in text that did not describe processing > rules has been fixed. Changing SHOULD to should would also have fixed the > issue. Right, thanks. Cheers. JP. > > Cheers, > Adrian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JP Vasseur" > To: > Cc: "Adrian Farrel" ; "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:00 PM > Subject: FW: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt > > >> Hi, >> >> A new revision of has been posted that takes into account a set of good >> comments that we received during Gen-Art review that are addressed in this >> new revision. >> >> Changes are editorial, there was only one very minor normative change: >> >> Section 4 >> >> OLD: >> >> If the next-hop is reachable, then it SHOULD >> find a domain boundary LSR (domain boundary point) to get to the >> next-hop. >> >> NEW: >> >> If the available routing information indicates >> that next-hop is reachable, the selected route will be expected to >> pass through a domain boundary via a domain boundary LSR. >> >> Thanks. >> >> JP. >> >> >> ------ Forwarded Message >>> From: >>> Reply-To: >>> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:50:02 -0500 >>> To: >>> Cc: >>> Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>> directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane >>> Working >>> Group of the IETF. >>> >>> >>> Title : A Per-domain path computation method for establishing >>> Inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) >>> Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. >>> Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt >>> Pages : 23 >>> Date : 2007-11-16 >>> >>> This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for >>> establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol >>> Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched >>> Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of >>> network elements within a common sphere of address management or path >>> computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous >>> Systems. >>> >>> Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain >>> TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE >>> LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. This is most >>> likely to arise owing to TE visibility limitations. The signaling >>> message indicates the destination and nodes up to the next domain >>> boundary. It may also indicate further domain boundaries or domain >>> identifiers. The path through each domain, possibly including the >>> choice of exit point from the domain, must be determined within the >>> domain. >>> >>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-co >>> mp >>> -06.txt >>> >>> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >>> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of >>> the message. >>> You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >>> to change your subscription settings. >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >>> username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After >>> logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then >>> "get draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt". >>> >>> A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >>> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >>> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >>> >>> Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. >>> >>> Send a message to: >>> mailserv@ietf.org. >>> In the body type: >>> "FILE >>> /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt". >>> >>> NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in >>> MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this >>> feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" >>> command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or >>> a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers >>> exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with >>> "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split >>> up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on >>> how to manipulate these messages. >>> >>> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >>> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >>> Internet-Draft. >>> Content-Type: text/plain >>> Content-ID: <2007-11-16154725.I-D\@ietf.org> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> I-D-Announce mailing list >>> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >> >> ------ End of Forwarded Message >> Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:49:54 +0000 Message-ID: <033301c8289a$5dd03560$0200a8c0@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "JP Vasseur" , Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:47:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks JP. I don't think this is a normative change. It is editorial because a previous incorrect use of RFC 2119 language in text that did not describe processing rules has been fixed. Changing SHOULD to should would also have fixed the issue. Cheers, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "JP Vasseur" To: Cc: "Adrian Farrel" ; "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: FW: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt > Hi, > > A new revision of has been posted that takes into account a set of good > comments that we received during Gen-Art review that are addressed in this > new revision. > > Changes are editorial, there was only one very minor normative change: > > Section 4 > > OLD: > > If the next-hop is reachable, then it SHOULD > find a domain boundary LSR (domain boundary point) to get to the > next-hop. > > NEW: > > If the available routing information indicates > that next-hop is reachable, the selected route will be expected to > pass through a domain boundary via a domain boundary LSR. > > Thanks. > > JP. > > > ------ Forwarded Message >> From: >> Reply-To: >> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:50:02 -0500 >> To: >> Cc: >> Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane >> Working >> Group of the IETF. >> >> >> Title : A Per-domain path computation method for establishing >> Inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) >> Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. >> Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt >> Pages : 23 >> Date : 2007-11-16 >> >> This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for >> establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol >> Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched >> Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of >> network elements within a common sphere of address management or path >> computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous >> Systems. >> >> Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain >> TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE >> LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. This is most >> likely to arise owing to TE visibility limitations. The signaling >> message indicates the destination and nodes up to the next domain >> boundary. It may also indicate further domain boundaries or domain >> identifiers. The path through each domain, possibly including the >> choice of exit point from the domain, must be determined within the >> domain. >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp >> -06.txt >> >> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of >> the message. >> You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >> to change your subscription settings. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >> username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After >> logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then >> "get draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt". >> >> A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> >> Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. >> >> Send a message to: >> mailserv@ietf.org. >> In the body type: >> "FILE >> /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt". >> >> NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in >> MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this >> feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" >> command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or >> a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers >> exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with >> "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split >> up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on >> how to manipulate these messages. >> >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >> Internet-Draft. >> Content-Type: text/plain >> Content-ID: <2007-11-16154725.I-D\@ietf.org> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I-D-Announce mailing list >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:01:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:00:01 -0500 Subject: FW: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt From: JP Vasseur To: CC: Adrian Farrel , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt Thread-Index: Acgok6cr5drvEpSGEdyN6QANk8WjQA== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4435; t=1195246813; x=1196110813; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20FW=3A=20I-D=20Action=3Adraft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path- comp-06.txt=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20; bh=LfyxUu6Q20U9vEN39oQq1m3CPDf8T9Tao/i04pH3NYQ=; b=FHtDP27p9USRC3zwVC6YpCCb8XkIIyY0FT8VF8bPGKoldEpcielvE7QzH4gAbcQ/B5HqOFu2 adhWt8T42ZkFiVNH+6LnF+krQLWBC24AkZGvITX9DOC9FbQzuLvITnSQ; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Hi, A new revision of has been posted that takes into account a set of good comments that we received during Gen-Art review that are addressed in this new revision. Changes are editorial, there was only one very minor normative change: Section 4 OLD: If the next-hop is reachable, then it SHOULD find a domain boundary LSR (domain boundary point) to get to the next-hop. NEW: If the available routing information indicates that next-hop is reachable, the selected route will be expected to pass through a domain boundary via a domain boundary LSR. Thanks. JP. ------ Forwarded Message > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:50:02 -0500 > To: > Cc: > Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working > Group of the IETF. > > > Title : A Per-domain path computation method for establishing > Inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) > Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2007-11-16 > > This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for > establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol > Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched > Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of > network elements within a common sphere of address management or path > computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous > Systems. > > Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain > TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE > LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. This is most > likely to arise owing to TE visibility limitations. The signaling > message indicates the destination and nodes up to the next domain > boundary. It may also indicate further domain boundaries or domain > identifiers. 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Per-domain path computation method for establishing Inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Label Switched Paths (LSPs) Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-inter-domain-pd-path-comp-06.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2007-11-16 This document specifies a per-domain path computation technique for establishing inter-domain Traffic Engineering (TE) Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). In this document a domain refers to a collection of network elements within a common sphere of address management or path computational responsibility such as IGP areas and Autonomous Systems. Per-domain computation applies where the full path of an inter-domain TE LSP cannot be or is not determined at the ingress node of the TE LSP, and is not signaled across domain boundaries. 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Description of the RSVP-TE Graceful Restart Procedures Author(s) : D. Li, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gr-description-01.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2007-11-16 The Hello message for the Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP) has been defined to establish and maintain basic signaling node adjacencies for Label Switching Routers (LSRs) participating in a Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) traffic engineered (TE) network. The Hello message has been extended for use in Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) network for state recovery of control channel or nodal faults. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gr-description-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Just wonder if you have considered such a scenario, say, suppose GMPLS-controlled PBT Ethernet networks are widely deployed (just an assumption), and the backbone is still MPLS networks, then we will have such a reference model: GMPLS-MPLS-GMPLS. And in this model, MPLS networks become the 'islands' (server) and GMPLS networks are the sea (client). Regards, Peng On Nov 8, 2007 5:15 PM, wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Interworking Requirements to Support operation > of MPLS-TE over GMPLS Networks > Author(s) : K. Kumaki, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-03.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2007-11-8 > > Operation of a Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) traffic > engineering (TE) network as a client network to a Generalized MPLS > (GMPLS) network has enhanced operational capabilities compared to > those provided by a co-existent protocol model (i.e., operation of > MPLS-TE over an independently managed transport layer). > > The GMPLS network may be a packet or a non-packet network, and may > itself be a multi-layer network supporting both packet and non-packet > technologies. A MPLS-TE Label Switched Path (LSP) originates and > terminates on an MPLS Label Switching Router (LSR). The GMPLS network > provides transparent transport for the end-to-end MPLS-TE LSP. > > This document describes a framework and Service Provider requirements > for operating MPLS-TE networks over GMPLS networks. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-03.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-03.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-03.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:46:29 +0000 Message-ID: <473A44D7.10504@kddilabs.jp> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 09:44:07 +0900 From: Tomohiro Otani User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Bernstein Cc: Adrian Farrel , ccamp@ops.ietf.org, "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Subject: Re: Vancouver agenda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adrian and Greg, Yes, I almost completed the update of the wavelength label draft accordin= g to Adrian's comments. Thank you for comments, Adrian. In this version, we focus on only signaling. We will share it with you shortly. Regards, Tomo Greg Bernstein =E3=81=95=E3=82=93=E3=81=AF=E6=9B=B8=E3=81=8D=E3=81=BE=E3=81= =97=E3=81=9F: > Hi Adrian, there seems to be some interest in the wavelength switched=20 > optical stuff. There should be: > (a) framework discussion/draft (we've updated and would like this to=20 > be a working group draft) > (b) label format (I was hoping Otani et. al. would be updating their=20 > draft) > (c) signaling discussions (I've just submitted a draft and last time=20 > Xu/King had a draft) > (d) information for RWA (I'll be submitting this shortly, its=20 > independent of how we distribute it, e.g., an IGP or some other method) > > Hence this would make a moderately "chunky" session or sub-session. > > Regards > > Greg B. > > Adrian Farrel wrote: >> Hi, >> >> We have again requested two meetings for Vancouver (although the=20 >> Secretariat appears to have allocated three!). >> >> So we need to start building our agenda. >> >> We want to have some chunky sessions to discuss >> - The progress with GELS >> - Issues and developments for distribution of TE information >> from outside ASes >> See >> - Mach's I-Ds for inter-AS TE links >> - Yakov/Don's I-D for BGP-TE >> - JP's (expired?) proposal for CE-PE TE link advertisement >> in BGP >> >> What else would you like to see on the agenda? >> >> Cheers, >> Adrian (per pro Deborah) >> >> >> > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:06:59 +0000 Message-ID: <473A1FCE.4020202@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:06:06 +0100 From: Giovanni Martinelli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Bernstein CC: ccamp Subject: Re: New draft on optical impairments signaling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2439; t=1194991435; x=1195855435; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; z=From:=20Giovanni=20Martinelli=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20New=20draft=20on=20optical=20impairments=20signaling |Sender:=20; bh=bki8wqbMfyk+NxzL0LMaybp4r74JvWDpu7cjz5rv8/k=; b=RmCvJQWiCwGR33Gd7b2uq09rWuQdFsay/GJNIStJISwvHzCoKglFvYyGZTssF7YaFoZdZgAI +H26gI5JaqsmxOlZiSEUSDBUj0pSP0G/9sfSCh0TzzMDTnWUe3m/0sq1; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=giomarti@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Hi Greg, thanks for your comments, please see inline some initial considerations... Greg Bernstein wrote: > Hi Giovanni, this looks very interesting. thx! > I noticed we both hit some similar issues ( see our draft > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wson-signaling-00.txt > ), i.e., we both think there is a need for modulation type and FEC > information. Since, in our draft we weren't looking at impairments we > were using these more for end system compatibility and > regenerator/wavelength converter compatibility. We looked at these > more as "optical traffic parameters" so placed them in a Tspec object > and used the attributes stuff for other information associated with > wavelength assignment. > Correct and the tspec was a solution we evaluate as well. In this case we preferred a newly defined (sub)TLV to have the possibility to signal more than one tuple (fec, modulation). > I noticed you expressed a concern on the amount of space used per > lambda. Isn't it true that for wavelengths close to each other that > the impairment (CD, PMD) parameters should be roughly the same so that > we could group these with a "wavelength set"? We looked at a bit map > encoding of a label set in both > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wson-signaling-00.txt > and > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wson-info-00.txt > such a mechanism could be helpful to reduce the space needed in the > messages. > The short answer is yes but probably not true in general. Using "wavelength set"(s) can leads to some approximation in evaluating your optical impairments while having parameters for each lambda is the general case. Another consideration, I'm wondering if even using "wavelength set" you might risk fragmentation in case your spectrum require too many sets. Regards, G > Regards > > Greg B. > > Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti) wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> we submitted a new draft proposing lightpath setup through signaling >> extensions that take into account optical impairments. This allow asses >> optical feasibility in the context of wavelength switched optical >> networks. >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-martinelli-ccamp-optical-imp-s >> ignaling-00.txt >> >> comments/suggestion are highly appreciated! >> >> >> Regards, >> Giovanni >> >> > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:47:29 +0000 Message-ID: <4738F3CA.9090003@nict.go.jp> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:46:02 +0900 From: Sugang XU User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Farrel , gregb@grotto-networking.com, "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" Cc: ccamp Subject: Re: Vancouver agenda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Adrian, We have updated our draft. If possible, I would also ask a small time slot to present the appended signaling issues in our I-D. Thank you very much, Sugang Greg Bernstein wrote: > Hi Adrian, there seems to be some interest in the wavelength switched > optical stuff. There should be: > (a) framework discussion/draft (we've updated and would like this to be > a working group draft) > (b) label format (I was hoping Otani et. al. would be updating their draft) > (c) signaling discussions (I've just submitted a draft and last time > Xu/King had a draft) > (d) information for RWA (I'll be submitting this shortly, its > independent of how we distribute it, e.g., an IGP or some other method) > > Hence this would make a moderately "chunky" session or sub-session. > > Regards > > Greg B. > > Adrian Farrel wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We have again requested two meetings for Vancouver (although the >> Secretariat appears to have allocated three!). >> >> So we need to start building our agenda. >> >> We want to have some chunky sessions to discuss >> - The progress with GELS >> - Issues and developments for distribution of TE information >> from outside ASes >> See >> - Mach's I-Ds for inter-AS TE links >> - Yakov/Don's I-D for BGP-TE >> - JP's (expired?) proposal for CE-PE TE link advertisement >> in BGP >> >> What else would you like to see on the agenda? >> >> Cheers, >> Adrian (per pro Deborah) >> >> >> > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:25:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4738EE48.8000008@nict.go.jp> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:22:32 +0900 From: Sugang XU User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp Subject: Extensions to GMPLS RSVP-TE for Bidirectional Lightpath with the Same Wavelength Draft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear CCAMPers, We have published an individual draft -Extensions to GMPLS RSVP-TE for Bidirectional Lightpath with the Same Wavelength http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-xu-rsvpte-bidir-wave-01.txt [WSON-FRAME] (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wavelength-switched-02.txt) provides control plane models for wavelength switched optical network. In section 4, routing and wavelength assignment issue, and in section 5.2.3, relationship to link bundling and layering have been described. In this draft, in addition to the description of a bidirectional lightpath provisioning mechanism, we would highlight some features on this signaling approach. 1. Simple extension It uses one bit in LSP_ATTRIBUTES obj [RFC4420] to identify the bidirectional provisioning and only issue a labels update process on both directions. 2. A unified and fast signaling solution This signaling approach can be used for both combined routing and wavelength assignment and separate routing and wavelength assignment approaches, with and without Path Computation Element (PCE) support. This signaling provides a unified and fast signaling solution for different scenarios. 3. Link bundling issue PCE path computation problems may occur when computing bidirectional lightpaths. In a GMPLS network where multiple component links are aggregated into a link bundle and advertised as a single bidirectional TE link, the Traffic Engineering Database (TED) may indicate the availability of a particular wavelength in both directions on the TE link. However, it may actually be the case that the wavelength is only available in one direction on one component link, and the other direction is only available on a different component link. In this scenario, creating an end-to-end path that uses the same wavelengths and the same component links in both directions presents a PCE path computation problem. This signaling can be used to verify the solution received from PCE. We appreciate your comments and suggestions! Best regards, Sugang Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:49:01 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Vancouver agenda Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:49:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1F2FBF50FB955441A11316BAE835CED404646F4C@xmb-ams-338.emea.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: Vancouver agenda Thread-Index: AcgbRY74yBwjhCT2Q+eiUH9/Jbt68QH1J5wQ From: "Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)" To: "Greg Bernstein" , "Adrian Farrel" Cc: , "Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS" DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1974; t=1194644822; x=1195508822; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Giovanni=20Martinelli=20(giomarti)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20Vancouver=20agenda |Sender:=20; bh=x7bpUVpm08Fp658xQoZJRj+zQdI19oyCPljO432pikY=; b=P+1bhqsL2GMwcEPpbvDuuyDXp59D3869W+wysj4kwiQL0ozeICt8EeSH+T5zpXSa8nndGaxj 4agosQbRlf4qetdLqGVoa+z3SyPhcEZ4j4exHPO5GaZ+CyDQFfS7xolm; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=giomarti@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Hi Adrian, on similar topic, I would also ask a small time slot to present = signaling extension as from ID we just submitted. Thanks in advance, Giovanni =20 |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org=20 |[mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Bernstein |Sent: marted=EC 30 ottobre 2007 23.36 |To: Adrian Farrel |Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS |Subject: Re: Vancouver agenda | |Hi Adrian, there seems to be some interest in the wavelength=20 |switched optical stuff. There should be: |(a) framework discussion/draft (we've updated and would like=20 |this to be a working group draft) |(b) label format (I was hoping Otani et. al. would be updating=20 |their draft) |(c) signaling discussions (I've just submitted a draft and=20 |last time Xu/King had a draft) |(d) information for RWA (I'll be submitting this shortly, its=20 |independent of how we distribute it, e.g., an IGP or some other method) | |Hence this would make a moderately "chunky" session or sub-session. | |Regards | |Greg B. | |Adrian Farrel wrote: |> Hi, |> |> We have again requested two meetings for Vancouver (although the=20 |> Secretariat appears to have allocated three!). |> |> So we need to start building our agenda. |> |> We want to have some chunky sessions to discuss |> - The progress with GELS |> - Issues and developments for distribution of TE information |> from outside ASes |> See |> - Mach's I-Ds for inter-AS TE links |> - Yakov/Don's I-D for BGP-TE |> - JP's (expired?) proposal for CE-PE TE link advertisement |> in BGP |> |> What else would you like to see on the agenda? |> |> Cheers, |> Adrian (per pro Deborah) |> |> |> | |-- |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D |Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 | | Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:53:26 +0000 Message-ID: <4734BA0D.9010309@grotto-networking.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:50:37 -0800 From: Greg Bernstein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)" CC: ccamp Subject: Re: New draft on optical impairments signaling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Giovanni, this looks very interesting. I noticed we both hit some similar issues ( see our draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wson-signaling-00.txt ), i.e., we both think there is a need for modulation type and FEC information. Since, in our draft we weren't looking at impairments we were using these more for end system compatibility and regenerator/wavelength converter compatibility. We looked at these more as "optical traffic parameters" so placed them in a Tspec object and used the attributes stuff for other information associated with wavelength assignment. I noticed you expressed a concern on the amount of space used per lambda. Isn't it true that for wavelengths close to each other that the impairment (CD, PMD) parameters should be roughly the same so that we could group these with a "wavelength set"? We looked at a bit map encoding of a label set in both http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wson-signaling-00.txt and http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wson-info-00.txt such a mechanism could be helpful to reduce the space needed in the messages. Regards Greg B. Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti) wrote: > Hi all, > > we submitted a new draft proposing lightpath setup through signaling > extensions that take into account optical impairments. This allow asses > optical feasibility in the context of wavelength switched optical > networks. > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-martinelli-ccamp-optical-imp-s > ignaling-00.txt > > comments/suggestion are highly appreciated! > > > Regards, > Giovanni > > > -- =================================================== Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:44:09 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:12:08 -0500 Subject: Re: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document From: JP Vasseur To: Yakov Rekhter CC: Adrian Farrel , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document Thread-Index: Acgi2oM7wbv0lI7NEdyHogANk8WjQA== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2358; t=1194617549; x=1195481549; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20accepting=20draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt=20as= 20a=20CCAMP=20WG=0A=20document=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20Yakov=20Rekhter=20; bh=37ErTM86kN2MjRA+HZLOGRwZILdt2n/TR54vFNZOYRg=; b=h+pFM4O89gkjMqtp4OFYsdzva+cUaMPbQfGp2YUgES+qx1Lg+Sb5p+4C/EG36bsf/hEX+mHB Vrg5+RItwq4Dfqjyi7DTcx8G2JXrHI6LwGhMDUnbNsx4xV4B6cxRXaQb; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Hi Yakov, [snip] >>> >>> With all this in mind let me suggest that if you think BGP needs >>> to carry more information than what is currently defined in >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, then after CCAMP WG accepts >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute as a CCAMP WG document you get consensus >>> of the CCAMP WG that this information is indeed has to be added, >>> and then we'll add it to the document. >> >> Well this is the approach of (potentially) redefining everything as >> opposed to carrying the IGP TE TLV in that new BGP attribute ? > > Here is the list of IGP(OSPF) TE TLVs, as defines in rfc3630: > > 1 - Link type > 2 - Link ID > 3 - Local interface IP address > 4 - Remote interface IP address > 5 - Traffic engineering metric > 6 - Maximum bandwidth > 7 - Maximum reservable bandwidth > 8 - Unreserved bandwidth > 9 - Administrative group > > rfc4203 adds the following TE TLVs to the above list: > > 11 - Link Local/Remote Identifiers > 14 - Link Protection Type > 15 - Interface Switching Capability Descriptor > 16 - Shared Risk Link Group > > Do you propose to carry all of the above TLVs in a single BGP > attribute ? > > If yes, do you propose to carry just what is listed above, or do > you propose to carry some other TLVs, in addition to what is listed > above ? > > If you propose to carry only some (but not all) of the above TLVs, > then which of the above TLVs do you propose to carry ? I think that we first need to agree on the approach ... You define a new BGP attribute to carry some Link attributes whereas we propose to define a generic BGP attribute used to carry TE Link attributes that have already been defined for IGPs. If, as I think, your intention is to carry in that BGP attributes physical link attributes (as opposed to any form of aggregated TE information), then why not reusing existing TE TLVs that have already been defined for IGPs ? If we agree to adopt this approach, my proposal was to (1) define a generic BGP attribute with (2) application use cases companion documentS. (1) Could be yours if you agree with the changes. (2) draft-vasseur-ccamp-ce-ce-te could point to (1) and document the CE to CE use case. Thoughts ? Thanks. JP. > > Yakov. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:10:47 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: New draft on optical impairments signaling Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:11:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1F2FBF50FB955441A11316BAE835CED404646B7C@xmb-ams-338.emea.cisco.com> Thread-Topic: New draft on optical impairments signaling Thread-Index: AcgisIv/Ru9Q5iNaSWybI8b/n2oU2A== From: "Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)" To: "ccamp" DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=399; t=1194599380; x=1195463380; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Giovanni=20Martinelli=20(giomarti)=22=20 |Subject:=20New=20draft=20on=20optical=20impairments=20signaling |Sender:=20; bh=LxJ5fDtrm5prnvohd8H0KJH/V5ovfFfZsdV42sLMQiU=; b=flNFDIEW11sX7APZUXoOurTyU1nuSg+1scmEJK2b/2zNEtug4/igauUvYykAv+GguMEjhyiA E37GW3tKCRHOos6kxy2Uw8lpFtzP8K4qno96McmmfhL13w1isQM51azR; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=giomarti@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Hi all, we submitted a new draft proposing lightpath setup through signaling extensions that take into account optical impairments. This allow asses optical feasibility in the context of wavelength switched optical networks. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-martinelli-ccamp-optical-imp-s ignaling-00.txt comments/suggestion are highly appreciated! Regards, Giovanni=20 Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:06:06 +0000 Message-ID: <47342221.4070201@pi.se> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:02:25 +0100 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Iesg (E-mail)" , mpls@ietf.org, pwe3 , ccamp CC: IAB , t-mpls-dt@testbed.se Subject: Re: The IETF t-mpls design team Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I made one mistake in listing the dt-members, - Mark Townsley is also on the team. Apologies for this. /Loa Loa Andersson wrote: > The IAB has decided to appoint the following design team: > > - Loa Andersson > - Matthew Bocci > - Deborah Brungard > - Stewart Bryant > - Ross Callon > - Dinesh Mohan > - Tom Nadeau > - Tom Walsh > > to address issues in preparation of the potential cooperation > between IETF and ITU-T on protocols for t-mpls. > > The design team will further discuss its charter and coordinate > it with IAB as necessary; a tentative design team is: > > o Identifying an action list for the IETF > o Identifying incompatibles and inconsistencies between IETF > and ITU-T documents > o IETF decisions to be revisited > o organization to take care of ITU-T mpls/pwe3 requirements > > > On behalf of the IAB > > /Loa > > -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:17:22 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-03.txt Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:15:01 -0500 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Interworking Requirements to Support operation of MPLS-TE over GMPLS Networks Author(s) : K. Kumaki, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-gmpls-interwork-reqts-03.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2007-11-8 Operation of a Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) traffic engineering (TE) network as a client network to a Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) network has enhanced operational capabilities compared to those provided by a co-existent protocol model (i.e., operation of MPLS-TE over an independently managed transport layer). The GMPLS network may be a packet or a non-packet network, and may itself be a multi-layer network supporting both packet and non-packet technologies. A MPLS-TE Label Switched Path (LSP) originates and terminates on an MPLS Label Switching Router (LSR). The GMPLS network provides transparent transport for the end-to-end MPLS-TE LSP. 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Filename: draft-dasgupta-ccamp-path-comp-analysis Revision: 01 Title: Performance Analysis of Inter-Domain Path Computation Methodologies Creation_date: 2007-11-07 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 13 Abstract: This document presents a performance comparison between the per- domain path computation method and the Path Computation Element (PCE) Architecture based Backward Recursive Path Computation (BRPC) procedure. Metrics to capture the significant performance aspects are identified and detailed simulations are carried out on realistic scenarios. A performance analysis for each of the path computation methods is then undertaken. The IETF Secretariat. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:51:57 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C82187.F1B401C3" Subject: Draft Liaison - ASON Routing Loop Prevention Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:48:33 -0600 Message-ID: <449B2580D802A443A923DABF3EAB82AF0F77F3A9@OCCLUST04EVS1.ugd.att.com> Thread-Topic: Draft Liaison - ASON Routing Loop Prevention Thread-Index: Acghh/FBXBsJKFeRRo+7FOurA1VN4g== From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82187.F1B401C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi CCAMP, =20 We need to respond on ITU-T Q14/15's recent Liaison: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/370/ =20 Here's a proposed response, appreciate any comments by Nov. 13. =20 Thanks, Deborah =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 To: ITU-T Q14/15 From: IETF CCAMP Working Group Cc: Stephen Trowbridge, Kam Lam, Scott Bradner, Dave Ward, Ross Callon, CCAMP Working Group Subject: ASON Routing Loop Prevention For Action The IETF's CCAMP Working Group thanks you for your liaison entitled "Liaison Statement to CCAMP on ASON Routing Loop Prevention" issued from your Stuttgart interim meeting in September 2007. Your understanding is correct, the Associated Area ID reflects the area from which the routing information is received. For your example, it would reflect C, not D. As the description in Section 6.3.1 of our draft was misunderstood, we will add clarifications. Thank you for flagging your concerns about reconfiguration scenarios. As you say in your liaison, the frequency of reconfigurations that require the change of Area ID is unlikely to be high, but we recognize the importance of making sure such procedures can be followed without unduly opening up scope for operator error and without causing excessive configuration activity. In this respect, we have been guided by the reorganization requirements set out in RFC 4258 and the evaluation scenarios described in RFC 4652. As described in 6.3 of the draft, the use of the Associated Area ID is only required in scenarios when more than one RC is bound to an adjacent level of the hierarchy and both are configured to redistribute routing information. As the operational aspects remain a concern to you, we will add text to the draft to further clarify aspects of OSPF operations for reorganization scenarios. Please let us know of any remaining operational concerns. Best regards, Adrian Farrel and Deborah Brungard IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82187.F1B401C3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 CCAMP,
 
We = need to respond=20 on ITU-T Q14/15's recent Liaison:
https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/liaison/370/
 
Here's = a proposed=20 response, appreciate any comments by Nov. 13.
 
Thanks,
Deborah
 
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To: ITU-T Q14/15

From: IETF CCAMP Working Group

Cc: Stephen Trowbridge, Kam Lam, Scott = Bradner, Dave=20 Ward, Ross Callon, CCAMP Working = Group

Subject: ASON Routing Loop = Prevention

For Action

The IETF's CCAMP Working Group thanks you = for your=20 liaison entitled "Liaison Statement to CCAMP on ASON Routing Loop Prevention" issued from your = Stuttgart interim=20 meeting in September 2007.

Your understanding is correct, the = Associated Area ID=20 reflects the area from which the routing information is received. For = your example, it would reflect C, not D. = As the=20 description in Section 6.3.1 of = our draft=20 was misunderstood, we will add=20 clarifications.

Thank you for=20 flagging your concerns about reconfiguration scenarios. As you say in = your=20 liaison, the frequency of reconfigurations that require the change of = Area ID is=20 unlikely to be high, but we recognize the importance of making sure such = procedures can be followed without unduly opening up scope for operator = error=20 and without causing excessive configuration activity. In this respect, = we have=20 been guided by the reorganization requirements set out in RFC 4258 and = the=20 evaluation scenarios described in RFC 4652. As described in = 6.3 of the draft, the use of the = Associated Area ID=20 is only required in scenarios when more than one RC is bound to an adjacent level of the = hierarchy and=20 both are configured to redistribute routing information. As the = operational aspects remain a concern to you, = we will add text to the draft to further clarify = aspects of OSPF=20 operations for reorganization=20 scenarios.

Please let us know of any remaining = operational=20 concerns.

Best regards,

Adrian Farrel and Deborah = Brungard

IETF CCAMP Working Group = Co-Chairs

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C82187.F1B401C3-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:20:42 +0000 Message-ID: <4731E557.3090701@grotto-networking.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:18:31 -0800 From: Greg Bernstein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-extensions-00.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, the previous questions I had about inter-layer adaptation within a region was not resolved, i.e., I'd like to use the cited mechanism to advertise VCAT/LCAS capability (which is inter-layer, but would be considered intra-region). On reviewing the latest MLN/MRN requirements draft I only found one mention of "adaptation". Don't these documents need to be brought into alignment? Regards Greg B. Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > > Title : Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Protocol Extensions for Multi-Layer and Multi-Region Networks (MLN/MRN) > Author(s) : D. Papadimitriou, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-extensions-00.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2007-11-04 > > There are requirements for the support of networks ccomprising LSRs > with different data plane switching layers controlled by a single > Generalized Multi Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control plane > instance, referred to as GMPLS Multi-Layer Networks/Multi-Region > Networks (MLN/MRN). This document defines extensions to GMPLS routing > and signaling protocols so as to support the operation of GMPLS > Multi-Layer/Multi-Region Networks. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-extensions-00.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-extensions-00.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-extensions-00.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > -- =================================================== Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:55:40 +0000 Message-Id: <200711071543.lA7FhLn24158@magenta.juniper.net> To: JP Vasseur cc: Yakov Rekhter , Adrian Farrel , ccamp@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: accepting draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute-02.txt as a CCAMP WG document MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <25750.1194450201.1@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:43:21 -0800 From: Yakov Rekhter JP, > Hi Yakov, > > Sorry for the delay, I had missed that one - in line. no problems... response in-line... > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Could you conceive of using your I-D to meet the > >>>>>>>>>>> requirements > >>>>>>>>>>> of the Vasseur I-D? > >>>>>>>>>> In order for me to answer this question I'd like to get a > >>>>>>>>>> clear > >>>>>>>>>> description of the requirements of the Vasseur I-D. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to fight JP's battles for him. > >>>>>>>>> Just trying to find out whether we have two problem spaces or > >>>>>>>>> one. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I think the abstract of his I-D is relatively clear: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> This document proposes MP-BGP protocol extension so as to > >>>>>>>>> convey > >>>>>>>>> Traffic Engineering Link characterictics of PE (Provider > >>>>>>>>> Edge) - CE > >>>>>>>>> (Customer Edge) links in order to extend the visibility > >>>>>>>>> of the > >>>>>>>>> Traffic Engineering Database to those links. This can then > >>>>>>>>> be used > >>>>>>>>> to more efficiently compute CE-to-CE Traffic Engineering > >>>>>>>>> Label > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yakov, let me know if you need further clarification on the > >>>>>>>> application ... sounds > >>>>>>>> pretty obvious, extend the TED to some PE-CE links where a CE > >>>>>>>> to CE > >>>>>>>> TE LSP > >>>>>>>> is needed. The path computation piece is then very much > >>>>>>>> similar to > >>>>>>>> inter-domain TE (per domain, PCE, ...). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Given the above I could conceive of using the BGP TE > >>>>>>> attribute, as > >>>>>>> defined in draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, to meet the > >>>>>>> requirements > >>>>>>> of your I-D. I hope that answers Adrian's question. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Well for the CE to CE application, we need all TE link attribute > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> the PE-CE links, thus our proposal to reuse the TE link > >>>>>> attributes > >>>>>> already defined for the IGPs ? > >>>>> > >>>>> If there is a CCAMP WG consensus to add additional information to > >>>>> what is currently specified in the BGP TE attribute the authors of > >>>>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute have no problems with adding this > >>>>> info > >>>>> to what is presently specified in draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> On the first question, I do not think that there is yet a CCAMP > >>>> consensus > >>>> (on both drafts by the way). Furthermore, if we can agree to > >>>> simply reuse > >>>> the IGP-TE TLVs to be carried in BGP for the "PE-CE" links we are > >>>> effectively merging the two IDs, which I had proposed to do since > >>>> a single draft would then serve both applications and may be future > >>>> ones. Makes sense ? > >>> > >>> No, it does *not* make sense, and here is why. There should be a > >>> separate draft that just defines the BGP TE attribute. Then there > >>> may be one or more other drafts that describe applications that > >>> *use* the BGP TE attribute. Such drafts would just point to the > >>> first draft. > >> > >> Unfortunately, as defined, it is not generic enough to support other > >> applications. > > > > As I said before (in my e-mail on Oct 10): > > > > If there is a CCAMP WG consensus to add additional information to > > what is currently specified in the BGP TE attribute the authors of > > draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute have no problems with adding this info > > to what is presently specified in draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute. > > Sure my concern is basically to see an ID redefining all TE related > attributes rather than carrying in a new BGP attributes all TLVs > that have been defined already for IGPs ? > > > > >>> draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute is the former - it just defines the > >>> BGP TE attribute. draft-vasseur-ccamp-ce-ce-te-02 is the latter - > >>> it defines an application that uses the BGP TE attribute. > >> > >> With the major difference being that we proposed to reuse the IGP TE > >> TLVs. > >> > >> We do agree on using BGP to carry TE related data such such > >> "external" > >> links but why not reusing the IGP TE TLVs instead of defining a > >> new BGP > >> attribute > > > > In BGP all the information is carried as BGP *attributes* - one can > > not take IGP TE TLVs and stuff then "as is" into a BGP Update > > message. Which means that carrying any new information in BGP > > *requires* to define a new BGP attribute (that is precisely why we > > defined a new BGP TE attribute). > > > > Hopefully that answer your question of "why not reusing the IGP TE > > TLVs instead of defining a new BGP attribute". > > > >> that will not have the ability to support other > >> applications. > >> In particular, for the CE to CE case, we'll need all the TE link > >> characteristics, as defined in IGP TE. > > > > See my first comment above. > > > >> The approach of having a generic ID defining the protocol details and > >> other applicability statement is fine but I'd rather have a different > >> approach for that generic draft. > > > > So, you withdraw the suggestion you made in your e-mail on Oct 11 > > to merge draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute and your draft. > > No no ... I'm proposing to define a BGP attribute carrying the IGP TE > TLV. So, you do not want to withdraw your proposal to merge draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute and your draft. Correct ? If yes, then what your proposal to define a BGP attribute carrying the IGP TE has to do with your proposal to merge these two drafts ? > >>> That is precisely why it does not make any sense to merge the two > >>> IDs. > >>> > >>> Yet another reason why merging the two IDs does not make sense is > >>> that the BGP TE attribute, as specified in draft-fedyk-bgp-te- > >>> attribute, > >>> carries the *GMPLS* TE information, while in your draft you propose > >>> to carry just *MPLS* TE, but *not* GMPLS TE information. Quoting > >>> from your draft: > >>> > >>> This document also defines a new attribute called the > >>> TE attribute which carries the set of sub-TLVs defined in > >>> [RFC3784]. > >>> The format of the BGP TE attribute will be defined in a further > >>> revision of this document. > >>> > >>> Note that rfc3784 is about *MPLS* TE extensions. GMPLS TE extensions > >>> are defined in rfc4203. > >> > >> Of course, the same approach can be taken for GMPLS. > >> > >>> Wrt reusing the IGP-TE TLVs, if you look at what is carried in the > >>> BGP TE attribute, as specified in draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, you > >>> should be able to notice that is has precisely the same encoding > >>> as the Interface Switching Capability Descriptor sub-TLV (as defined > >>> in rfc4203). > >> > >> Absolutely, but it does not have the appropriate MPLS TE attributes, > >> (TE metrics, colors, but also other TLVs defined in other RFCs) > >> hence my proposal to reuse the MPLS and GMPLS TE extensions > >> specified for IGP TE. > > > > See my comments above. > > > > With all this in mind let me suggest that if you think BGP needs > > to carry more information than what is currently defined in > > draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute, then after CCAMP WG accepts > > draft-fedyk-bgp-te-attribute as a CCAMP WG document you get consensus > > of the CCAMP WG that this information is indeed has to be added, > > and then we'll add it to the document. > > Well this is the approach of (potentially) redefining everything as > opposed to carrying the IGP TE TLV in that new BGP attribute ? Here is the list of IGP(OSPF) TE TLVs, as defines in rfc3630: 1 - Link type 2 - Link ID 3 - Local interface IP address 4 - Remote interface IP address 5 - Traffic engineering metric 6 - Maximum bandwidth 7 - Maximum reservable bandwidth 8 - Unreserved bandwidth 9 - Administrative group rfc4203 adds the following TE TLVs to the above list: 11 - Link Local/Remote Identifiers 14 - Link Protection Type 15 - Interface Switching Capability Descriptor 16 - Shared Risk Link Group Do you propose to carry all of the above TLVs in a single BGP attribute ? If yes, do you propose to carry just what is listed above, or do you propose to carry some other TLVs, in addition to what is listed above ? If you propose to carry only some (but not all) of the above TLVs, then which of the above TLVs do you propose to carry ? Yakov. Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:51:04 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07.txt Message-Id: Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:50:01 -0500 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for GMPLS-Based Multi-Region and Multi-Layer Networks (MRN/MLN) Author(s) : K. Shiomoto, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2007-11-07 Most of the initial efforts to utilize Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) have been related to environments hosting devices with a single switching capability. The complexity raised by the control of such data planes is similar to that seen in classical IP/MPLS networks. By extending MPLS to support multiple switching technologies, GMPLS provides a comprehensive framework for the control of a multi- layered network of either a single switching technology or multiple switching technologies. In GMPLS, a switching technology domain defines a region, and a network of multiple switching types is referred to in this document as a Multi-Region Network (MRN). When referring in general to a layered network, which may consist of either a single or multiple regions, this document uses the term, Multi-Layer Network (MLN). Expires May 2008 [page 1] draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07.txt November 2007 This document defines a framework for GMPLS based multi-region/ multi-layer networks and lists a set of functional requirements. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-07084434.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-07084434.I-D\@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:48:37 +0000 Message-ID: <0e0f01c82144$bc3fa700$5aa92f40@your029b8cecfe> Reply-To: "Adrian Farrel" From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: , , , , , , , Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:47:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Hoorah for Microsoft Word! The version of the I-D submitted after WG last call had some formatting problems. This revision is ready to go to the ADs, but we will wait for the update to the Evaluation I-D first. Cheers, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "IETF I-D Submission Tool" To: Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07 > > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07.txt has been > successfuly submitted by Adrian Farrel and posted to the IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs > Revision: 07 > Title: Requirements for GMPLS-Based Multi-Region and Multi-Layer Networks > (MRN/MLN) > Creation_date: 2007-11-07 > WG ID: ccamp > Number_of_pages: 24 > > Abstract: > Most of the initial efforts to utilize Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) > have been related to environments hosting devices with a single > switching capability. The complexity raised by the control of such > data planes is similar to that seen in classical IP/MPLS networks. > By extending MPLS to support multiple switching technologies, GMPLS > provides a comprehensive framework for the control of a multi- > layered network of either a single switching technology or multiple > switching technologies. > > In GMPLS, a switching technology domain defines a region, and a > network of multiple switching types is referred to in this document > as a Multi-Region Network (MRN). When referring in general to a > layered network, which may consist of either a single or multiple > regions, this document uses the term, Multi-Layer Network (MLN). > > > > > > > > > Expires May 2008 > > > > > > > [page 1] > > > > > > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-reqs-07.txt > November 2007 > > This document defines a framework for GMPLS based multi-region/ > multi-layer networks and lists a set of functional requirements. > > > > The IETF Secretariat. > > > Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:23:42 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: New draft on: GMPLS RSVP-TE Ethernet OAM Extensions Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:20:37 +0100 Message-ID: <53CCFDD6E346CB43994852666C210E9102624584@esealmw116.eemea.ericsson.se> Thread-Topic: New draft on: GMPLS RSVP-TE Ethernet OAM Extensions Thread-Index: AcghQPwQ5GHInmdRR1CJMJWYwyySJw== From: "Attila Takacs" To: Hi all, We submitted a new draft discussing possible extensions for Ethernet OAM in the context of GELS: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-takacs-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-e xt-00.txt Your comments are appreciated! Best regards, Attila Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:55:15 +0000 Message-ID: <025901c81fa1$5cb01b20$0601a8c0@pc6> Reply-To: "tom.petch" From: "tom.petch" To: "Adrian Farrel" , Subject: planes Re: I-D Action:draft-nadeau-ccamp-gmpls-oam-requirements-02.txt Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:50:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that this has been accepted as a WG I-D, I want to return to the point about planes. This I-D is an extension to RFC4377, which does a good job of teasing out the extras needed for MPLS OAM - because a LSP is not quite like any other link or path - and it does it with scarce a mention of planes.. The distinguishing feature of GMPLS is the separation of control and data planes, different topology, technology etc so perforce, this I-D will make reference to the data and control planes. But I think it then goes wrong in two ways. One is the frequent reference to management plane, something which RFC4377 avoids entirely and I think that this I-D should do too. The other is that first sentence, which used to refer to data plane and now refers to control plane. I think that neither term is right, that what ought to be different about GMPLS is for the control plane and data plane to stay in synch so what ought to be different about GMPLS OAM is being able to compare the operational state of the two and determine whether or not that is the case ie the key feature is neither data plane nor control plane but the relationship between the two. You say that the data plane will already have its OAM - well, so can the control plane. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: Re: I-D Action:draft-nadeau-ccamp-gmpls-oam-requirements-02.txt > Hi Tom, > > > > Yes, I find this version clearer. > > Good. Thanks. > > > I was struck by two semantic changes, for which I am happy to leave any > > discussion to when it is a WG I-D. One is the change of the first > > sentence from > > 'This document describes requirements for data plane OAM for GMPLS' > > to > > 'This document describes requirements for control plane OAM for GMPLS' > > which sounds quite a change. In practice, this does not reflect a > > dramatic > > change of contents, but then again, I do not think either sentence gets it > > quite > > right. > > This tackled a comment from Don O'Connor. > > I think the essence of Don's point was that the techniques being described > were not data plane OAM. In fact, while we may leverage data plane OAM, for > most (all?) technologies with which we are dealing, the data plane OAM is > already defined (stroke being defined) by other bodies or other working > groups. > > We'd be happy to see another formulation of this text. > > > Second, I notice a much stronger emphasis on (SNMP) MIB modules; I presume > > it is > > too early to accommodate other forms, such as the nascent NETCONF. > > Ah. Hmm. > > As you say, NetConf is nascent. It would be a trifle premature to *require* > NetConf conformance. In fact, the requirements would perhaps be a little > more abstract (e.g., "standardised tools for operational management") if > there wasn't also the general IETF "SHOULD" applied to the development of > MIB modules for all protocols and protocol extensions. > > Cheers, > Adrian Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 06:35:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:32:00 +0800 From: Dan Li Subject: Evaluation of possible IGP extensions for WSON To: ccamp Message-id: <148301c81f75$921e67c0$4b4d460a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UiZULgJNpCAPU3eR9J+itw)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_UiZULgJNpCAPU3eR9J+itw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear CCAMPers, We have published an individual draft - Evaluation of Possible Interior Gateway Protocol Extensions for Wavelength Switching Optical Networks. http://www.ietf.org/internet-draf/draft-li-ccamp-wson-igp-eval-00.txt [WSON-FRAME] (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wavelength-switched-02.txt) provides control plane models for key wavelength switched optical network subsystems and processes. Section 5.2 of [WSON-FRAME] describes the subsystem properties which may be conveyed via an Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP). This document discusses the set of Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) requirements that would enable distributed light path computation in Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSON). An IGP impact analysis is also provided. According to the analysis, there is no significant impact on the IGP performance. Please be noted, not all the detailed wavelength information needs to be carried by IGP, in most cases, only the changes of the wavelength resource are advertised in the WSON. We appreciate your comments and suggestions! Regards, Dan Li --Boundary_(ID_UiZULgJNpCAPU3eR9J+itw) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Dear CCAMPers,

We have published an individual draft - Evaluation of Possible Interior Gateway Protocol Extensions for Wavelength Switching Optical Networks.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-draf/draft-li-ccamp-wson-igp-eval-00.txt

[WSON-FRAME] (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wavelength-switched-02.txt) provides control plane models for key wavelength switched optical network subsystems and processes. Section 5.2 of [WSON-FRAME] describes the subsystem properties which may be conveyed via an Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP).

This document discusses the set of Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) requirements that would enable distributed light path computation in Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSON). An IGP impact analysis is also provided. According to the analysis, there is no significant impact on the IGP performance.

Please be noted, not all the detailed wavelength information needs to be carried by IGP, in most cases, only the changes of the wavelength resource are advertised in the WSON.
We appreciate your comments and suggestions!
 
Regards,


Dan Li
--Boundary_(ID_UiZULgJNpCAPU3eR9J+itw)-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:11:14 +0000 Message-ID: <472E26BC.40207@pi.se> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:08:28 +0100 From: Loa Andersson Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Iesg (E-mail)" , mpls@ietf.org, pwe3 , ccamp CC: IAB , Loa Andersson , "Matthew Bocci (IETF)" , Deborah Brungard , Stewart Bryant , Ross Callon , Dinesh Mohan , "Thomas D. Nadeau" , Thomas Walsh Subject: The IETF t-mpls design team Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IAB has decided to appoint the following design team: - Loa Andersson - Matthew Bocci - Deborah Brungard - Stewart Bryant - Ross Callon - Dinesh Mohan - Tom Nadeau - Tom Walsh to address issues in preparation of the potential cooperation between IETF and ITU-T on protocols for t-mpls. The design team will further discuss its charter and coordinate it with IAB as necessary; a tentative design team is: o Identifying an action list for the IETF o Identifying incompatibles and inconsistencies between IETF and ITU-T documents o IETF decisions to be revisited o organization to take care of ITU-T mpls/pwe3 requirements On behalf of the IAB /Loa -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:03:52 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-extensions-00.txt Message-Id: Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:00:01 -0500 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Protocol Extensions for Multi-Layer and Multi-Region Networks (MLN/MRN) Author(s) : D. Papadimitriou, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-mln-extensions-00.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2007-11-04 There are requirements for the support of networks ccomprising LSRs with different data plane switching layers controlled by a single Generalized Multi Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control plane instance, referred to as GMPLS Multi-Layer Networks/Multi-Region Networks (MLN/MRN). This document defines extensions to GMPLS routing and signaling protocols so as to support the operation of GMPLS Multi-Layer/Multi-Region Networks. 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For example, if NVC is 4 then each SUBCHANNEL sub-object should contain = 4 label values for each data-plane member in the VCAT LSP and if the = number of SUBCHANNELs is 5 then there will be 5x4=3D20 labels encoded in = the LABEL_SET object. Now how does the receiver of the LABEL_SET object figure out what is the = size of the SUBCHANNEL? One obvious way is too use the NVC parameter, = but=20 I wanted to know if this is the expected solution. Another question is would the same apply if the MT parameter is greater = than 1. Would appreciate a response. Thanks, Snigdho ------_=_NextPart_001_01C81DAC.3519AB58 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question on LABEL_SET encoding for VCAT LSPs

Hi,

It is not clear in RFC3471/RFC4606 how = to determine the size of the SUBCHANNEL field in the LABEL_SET object = for VCAT LSPs (i.e. NVC is greater than "0").

For example, if NVC is 4 then each = SUBCHANNEL sub-object should contain 4 label values for each data-plane = member in the VCAT LSP and if the number of SUBCHANNELs is 5 then there = will be 5x4=3D20 labels encoded in the LABEL_SET object.

Now how does the receiver of the = LABEL_SET object figure out what is the size of the SUBCHANNEL? One = obvious way is too use the NVC parameter, but

I wanted to know if this is the = expected solution.

Another question is would the same = apply if the MT parameter is greater than 1.

Would appreciate a response.

Thanks,
Snigdho

------_=_NextPart_001_01C81DAC.3519AB58-- Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:00:53 +0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new Extensions Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:57:35 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new Extensions Thread-Index: AcgJcqxAjKiJ6VsgRlep9ow8mhkrpATkLjSA From: "Bardalai, Snigdho" To: "Dan Li" , "Adrian Farrel" , "Ccamp (E-mail)" Hi Dan, I have come up with the following text for the first problem: +--------------------------+ Additional Restarting Node procedures According to the current graceful restart procedure [RFC 3473], after a = node restarts its control plane, it needs its upstream node to send PATH = message with recovery=20 label to synchronize its RSVP state. If the restarted control plane = becomes operational quickly relative to the hello interval, the upstream node = may not detect the restarting of downstream node and therefore, may send a PATH = message without recovery label causing errors and unwanted connection deletion. To resolve the aforementioned problem, the following procedures are = proposed=20 and are meant to work together with the recovery procedures documented = in [RFC3473]. Here, it is assumed that the restarting node and the = neighboring=20 node(s) support Hello extension as documented in [RFC3209] and recovery=20 procedures documented in [RFC3473]. After a node restarts its control plane, it should ignore and silently = drop=20 all RSVP-TE messages, except hello messages, it receives from any = neighbor to which, no Hello session has been established. The restarting node should follow [RFC3209] to establish Hello sessions = with=20 its neighbors, after its control plane becomes operational.=20 The restarting node resumes processing of RSVP-TE messages sent from = each neighbor to which the Hello session has been established. +---------------------------+ Could you please incorporate this into the GR description ID. Regarding the second issue, I think the real problem starts when after = the communication failure all nodes C, D and E restart. A---B-x...x-C---D---E-x...x-F---G In the example, above nodes C and E are isolated from the neighboring = nodes B and F. In this=20 scenario the LSPs may get deleted from D after the recovery timer = expires. The reason for this is since both nodes C and E restarted there is no RSVP-TE state in either = nodes to recover the state in node D. Thanks, Snigdho -----Original Message----- From: Dan Li [mailto:danli@huawei.com] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:14 AM To: Adrian Farrel; Bardalai, Snigdho; Ccamp (E-mail) Subject: Re: Questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new Extensions Hi, Please see my comments below. Regards, Dan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Bardalai, Snigdho" ; "Ccamp = (E-mail)" Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new = Extensions > Hi Snigdho, >=20 > Always good to have reports of use of the more advanced functions. >=20 > Some thoughts... >=20 > We can do some work to fix up the SRefresh behavior, but I don't think = it=20 > actually helps, because if Summary Refresh is not being used, exactly = the=20 > same scenario can arise with a Path Refresh. In other words, fixing = the=20 > SRefresh would not fix the problem. [dan] Agree. Changing the behavior of SRefresh message would not help. >=20 > In some circumstances, the window in the scenario you have drawn is = very=20 > small.. The SRefresh *and* the Path Refresh must be sent by N1 between = N2=20 > completing restart and N2's first Hello arriving at N1. One could say = that=20 > N2 should ignore all received messages until it has Hellos up and = running.=20 > That would guarantee that N1 knew about the restart. [dan] The time window size depends on how quickly the restarted node = sends=20 out the Hello message after the communication comes back. I would like = to see=20 N2 ignore all received messages until it receives the ACK of the Hello = message=20 from N1. =20 >=20 > That simply requires that when startup completes N2 must: > - either > - immediately send a new Hello to each neighbor > or > - respond to any first received message from a > neighbor with which it does not have an active > Hello exchange by sending a Hello > - ignore all subsequent RSVP messages except Hellos > from neighbors with which it does not have an active > Hello exchange > [dan] Agree with Adrian. =20 > We should understand why N2 sends PathErr. "Resources in use" could = either=20 > mean that *all* resources are already in use, or the limit resources=20 > required on the Path message (i.e. Upstream Label or Label Set) are = already=20 > in use. >=20 > In all cases, the error code should indicate that the requested new = resource=20 > allocation cannot be satisfied (N2 thinks this is a new LSP). >=20 > In the case of no resource being available, the PathErr MUST [3473] = contain=20 > "Routing problem/MPLS label allocation failure". > In the case of failure because the Label Set cannot be satisfied, the=20 > PathErr MUST [3473] carry "Routing problem/Label Set". In the case of=20 > failure because of Upstream Label N2 MUST [3473] send a PathErr with=20 > "Routing problem/Unacceptable label value" and MAY include an = Acceptable=20 > Label Set object. >=20 > So, I would suggest that N1 may be over-reacting to the PathErr from = N2.=20 > Presumably N1 expects that the LSP is up and running - ii already has = Resv=20 > state and data is probably flowing. So any of these three error codes = (all=20 > of which represent LSP setup errors) should cause N1 to suspect = something=20 > slightly strange is happening. Before getting too agitated and taking = the=20 > dramatic step of tearing the LSP, it should just check that everything = else=20 > is functioning correctly, and part of that process would be to send a = Hello=20 > if one has not been sent/received for a considerable period of time. >=20 > In fact, your situation arises either because the Hello period is set = far to=20 > large (i.e. larger than the neighbor's whole restart cycle) or because = N1 is=20 > not considering any difference between normal and hello-degraded = states. The=20 > former is a configuration error. The latter should allow the PathErr = to be=20 > treated with more care than a simple PathTear. [dan] Usually the traffic carried by the data plane is required not be = touched when the control plane fails. So N1 should be very careful to take any = actions to tear down the LSP. >=20 > With regard to your second question. Yes, we believe that all cases of = > multiple failures are handled by the restart procedures without = refresh=20 > failure causing state to be deleted. However, the text for this was = removed=20 > from the graceful restart draft before publication (actually, long = ago) as=20 > second order failures really clogged up the draft. Instead, we have=20 > draft-ietf-ccamp-gr-description-00.txt. >=20 > I suggest: >=20 > 1. The situation you describe in your first scenario (with and without = > SRefresh) should be included in the GR-Description I-D. >=20 > 2. You should check the GR-Description I-D to see whether it answers = your=20 > questions about multiple failures. >=20 > In both cases, I am sure the authors would welcome suggested text and=20 > pointer to what they could change. [dan] Yes, you're welcome to send us the proposed text for = GR-Description ID. >=20 > Cheers, > Adrian > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Bardalai, Snigdho" > To: "Ccamp (E-mail)" > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 5:18 PM > Subject: Questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new Extensions >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have a couple of questions on RSVP-TE Graceful Restart and the new=20 > extensions being propose in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-restart-ext-09. >=20 > Did anybody come across any issues when the hello interval duration = times=20 > the failure multiple (typically 3) is too large compared to the = neighboring=20 > node restart duration? For example, if the RSVP-TE interval is 10 = seconds,=20 > the multiple is 3 and the neighboring node restarts within 10 seconds = then=20 > it is possible that the RSVP-TE hello will never detect a hello = failure. >=20 > RFC3473 does describe detection of a node restart in this case based = on a=20 > new source instance in the hello message, but we have come across an = issue=20 > with NACKs being generated for an Srefresh message in this scenario. >=20 > Please look-at the sequence diagram below: >=20 > N1 N2 > | | > | X (Restart start) > | HELLO | > |-------------------------------->| > | | > | SRefresh | > |-------------------------------->| > | | > | HELLO | > |-------------------------------->| > | | > | X (Restart complete) > | SRefresh | > |-------------------------------->| > | NACK | > |<--------------------------------| > | Path (without recovery label) | > |-------------------------------->| > | X (resoure allocation failed = because the=20 > resouces are in use) > | PathErr | > |<--------------------------------| > | PathTear | > |-------------------------------->| > X (CON deletion) X (XCON deletion) > | | >=20 > The issue is because N1 did not detect a hello failure it continues = sending=20 > SRefreshes which may get NACKed by N2 once restart completes because = there=20 > is no Path state corresponding to the SRefresh message. This NACK = causes a=20 > Path refresh message to be generated but there is no RECOVERY_LABEL = because=20 > N1 did not yet detect that N2 has restarted because hello exchanges = have not=20 > yet started. PLEASE NOTE: This is based on an actual implementation = and a=20 > real test. >=20 > What is the solution to this issue because I don't see either N1 or N2 = doing=20 > anything that is not compliant as per the current RFCs? Or is there=20 > something I have missed? >=20 > The other issue I wanted to understand is with respect to the graceful = > restart extension. Will the RecoveryPath message handle issues when=20 > communication fails and a node restarts? There may be issues when = somes=20 > nodes in the LSP path gets isolated from both upstream and downstream = ends. >=20 > Example, >=20 > A---B-x...x-C---D---E-x...x-F---G >=20 > Nodes C, D and E are isolated. If this condition persists and node's = C,D and=20 > E restarts. Will the LSP get deleted after the recovery timer expires = in=20 > node D? Can this be prevented ? >=20 > Would appreciate your response. >=20 > Regards, > Snigdho >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 Envelope-to: ccamp-data@psg.com Delivery-date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:26:04 +0000 Message-ID: <47291C51.7070604@grotto-networking.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:22:41 -0700 From: Greg Bernstein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp Subject: Wavelength Switched Optical Networking Drafts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi CCAMPers, a revised version of the wavelength switched optical networking draft is now available at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wavelength-switched-02.txt This incorporates most of the comments received from the CCAMP list and the authors propose that this become a working group draft in order to guide the optical efforts at CCAMP and PCE. This document would be informational and would contain problem descriptions and models highlightng differences encountered in the wavelength switched case relative to TDM or MPLS situations. In addition we have published two more WSON related drafts: (a) Information encoding for WSON: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wson-info-00.txt where we have specified some initial compact encodings of pertinent information used in the RWA process. (b) Signaling extensions for WSON: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bernstein-ccamp-wson-signaling-00.txt where we take a first general crack at defining traffic parameters for lightpaths and other useful info to assist in distributed wavelength assignment (the WA in RWA). Regards Greg B. -- =================================================== Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237