From yabin.ye@huawei.com Tue Aug 3 09:12:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408003A6974 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:12:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.736 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.736 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HcQimzsQuLb0 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrga04-in.huawei.com (lhrga04-in.huawei.com [195.33.106.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9B83A6961 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lhrga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L6L00G4M3PTJI@lhrga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:13:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from YabinYe ([10.200.70.97]) by lhrga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L6L00IM43P65P@lhrga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:13:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:12:40 +0200 From: Yabin Ye In-reply-to: To: 'Acee Lindem' Message-id: <004701cb3326$bfe79470$6146c80a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1FHdQ5rOa7hhGvMVVYe/fg)" Thread-index: Acstl8GaLIvBJxMRSTGQqhgjZ3vB9QFjNvKQ Cc: =?gb2312?B?J01pY2ioqGxlIFdpbG1ldCc=?= , ccamp@ietf.org, itom@ait.edu.gr, 'Siamak Azodolmolky' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Ask for comments X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:12:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_1FHdQ5rOa7hhGvMVVYe/fg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Acee, =20 Thanks for your comments and sorry for my late reply due to some urgent issues. =20 Please see my reply inline. =20 Thanks, =20 Yabin =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee.lindem@ericsson.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:27 PM To: Yabin Ye Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Siamak Azodolmolky; itom@ait.edu.gr; Mich=A8=A8le = Wilmet Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Ask for comments =20 Hi Yabin, =20 I have a couple comments: =20 - First, this document extends OSPF TE rather than the OSPF = protocol itself. . >>>>>Yes, you are right. This document is for OSPF-TE extensions. =20 - Second, the document refers to PLI TE LSAs as if they were = separate LSAs. However, I believe these are just additional TE LSAs as described = in RFC 3630. >>>>>> The motivation for a new LSA is that type 10 LSA has an area flooding scope. However, not all the PLI information has the same = flooding scope, for example, the PMD is not suitable for relatively small area network, i.e. metro network, it only makes sense in regional or long = haul network. From the networking point of view, taking the flooding scope = into account when distributing PLI information will reduce the generated = traffic. >From the network resource provider point of view, it gives the = flexibility and capability to the choice of flooding scope, in order to apply local policy. From the software implementation point of view, it reduces the = need of big memory to buffer more PLI information. Therefore hierarchical PLI = is proposed. =20 =20 - Similarly, the document refers to the top-level Link and Node = TLVs as if they are new PLI TLVs. However, these are referenced with the same code points as the existing Link and Node TLVs. They will need new types = if you want to redefine them with different semantics. - Same for the Remote Interface IP Address Sub-TLV and Local Interface IP Address Sub-TLV. These are not new Sub-TLVs and probably = don't need to be even if new top-level PLI TLVs are required. >>>>>>---Yes, I agree. We could use the existing code points defined in [RFC3630] and [draft-ietf-ospf-te-node-addr] for top-level link TLV and = Node TLV. However other sub-TLVs related to impairment information are new = and the main focus of this draft. =20 >From a high-level, it seems the only new TLVs required are the ones for = PLI and this information can be just advertised with the existing TE information. However, due to the volume and frequency of change, you may want separate LSAs. =20 Thanks, Acee =20 On Jul 26, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Yabin Ye wrote: =20 Dear All, =20 We have submitted a draft entitled =A1=B0OSPF Extensions in Support of Impairment Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment in Wavelength = Switched Optical Networks (WSONs)=A1=B1. =20 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-agraz-ccamp-wson-impairment-ospf-00 =20 This document suggests to extend the OSPF-TE protocols by including the physical impairments in order to support Generalized Multi-Protocol = Label Switching (GMPLS) and Path Computation Element (PCE) control of Impairment Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment in Wavelength = Switched Optical Networks (WSONs). =20 Due to urgent issues, we are not able to attend the meeting. Attached = please find the presentation, and kindly let us know if you have any comments. =20 Background: This draft is the output of EU FP7 funded DICONET project. = More details of this project can be found at = http://www.diconet.eu/homepage.asp =20 Thanks and regards, =20 Yabin Ye =20 =20 ********************************************************* Yabin Ye =D2=B6=D1=C7=B1=F3 European Research Center Huawei Technologies Riesstr. 25 80992 Munich Germany Tel: +49 89 158 834 4078 Cell: +49 162 2047570 Fax: +49 89 158 834 4447 E-mail: yabin.ye@huawei.com www.huawei.com ********************************************************* =20 =20 --Boundary_(ID_1FHdQ5rOa7hhGvMVVYe/fg) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Acee,

 

Thanks for your comments and sorry for my late reply due to some urgent = issues.

 

Please see my reply inline.

 

Thanks,

 

Yabin

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee.lindem@ericsson.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:27 PM
To: Yabin Ye
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Siamak Azodolmolky; itom@ait.edu.gr; Mich=A8=A8le Wilmet
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Ask for comments

 

Hi Yabin,

 

I have a couple comments:

 

       - First, this document extends OSPF TE rather than the OSPF protocol = itself.

.

>>>>>Yes, you are = right. This document is for OSPF-TE extensions.

 

       - Second, the document refers to PLI TE LSAs as if they were separate = LSAs. However, I believe these are just additional TE LSAs as described in RFC = 3630.

>>>>>>  The = motivation for a new LSA is that type 10 LSA has an area flooding scope. However, = not all the PLI information has the same flooding scope, for example, the PMD is = not suitable for relatively small area network, i.e. metro network, it only = makes sense in regional or long haul network. From the networking point of = view, taking the flooding scope into account when distributing PLI information will = reduce the generated traffic. From the network resource provider point of view, = it gives the flexibility and capability to the choice of flooding scope, in = order to apply local policy. From the software implementation point of view, = it reduces the need of big memory to buffer more PLI information. Therefore = hierarchical PLI is proposed.

 

=

 

       - Similarly, the document refers to the top-level Link and Node TLVs as = if they are new PLI TLVs. However, these are referenced with the same code = points as the existing Link and Node TLVs. They will need new types if you want to redefine them with different semantics.

       - Same for the Remote Interface IP Address Sub-TLV and Local Interface = IP Address Sub-TLV. These are not new Sub-TLVs and probably don't need to = be even if new top-level PLI TLVs are required.

>>>>>>---Yes, I = agree. We could use the existing code points defined in [RFC3630] and = [draft-ietf-ospf-te-node-addr] for top-level link TLV and Node TLV. However other sub-TLVs related to impairment information are new and the main focus of this = draft.

 

=

From a high-level, it seems the only new TLVs required are the ones for PLI = and this information can be just advertised with the existing TE information. = However, due to the volume and frequency of change, you may want separate = LSAs.

 

Thanks,

Acee

 

On Jul 26, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Yabin Ye wrote:

 

Dear All,

 

We have submitted a draft entitled =A1=B0OSPF Extensions in Support of = Impairment Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment in Wavelength Switched Optical = Networks (WSONs)=A1=B1.

 

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-agraz-ccamp-w= son-impairment-ospf-00

 

This document suggests to extend the OSPF-TE protocols by including the = physical impairments in order to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label = Switching (GMPLS) and Path Computation Element (PCE)    control of = Impairment Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment in Wavelength Switched Optical = Networks (WSONs).

 

Due to urgent issues, we are not able to attend the meeting. Attached please = find the presentation, and kindly let us know if you have any = comments.

 

Background: This draft is the output of EU FP7 funded DICONET project. More details = of this project can be found at = http://www.diconet.eu/homepage.asp

 

Thanks and regards,

 

Yabin Ye

 

 

**********************************************= ***********

Yabin Ye =D2=B6=D1=C7=B1=F3<= /o:p>

European Research Center

Huawei Technologies

Riesstr. 25

80992 Munich

Germany

Tel: +49 89 158 834 4078

Cell: +49 162 2047570

Fax: +49 89 158 834 4447

E-mail: yabin.ye@huawei.com<mailto:yabin.ye@huawei.com>

www.huawei.com<http://www.huawei.com/>

**********************************************= ***********

 

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ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id AA7CA3A6A0A; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:47:21 -0700 (PDT) To: danli@huawei.com, gjhhit@huawei.com, snigdho.bardalai@us.fujitsu.com, asatyana@cisco.com From: IETF Secretariat Message-Id: <20100806164721.AA7CA3A6A0A@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com, adrian.farrel@huawei.com, dbrungard@att.com, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] IPR Disclosure: Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to RFC 5495 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:47:22 -0000 Dear Dan Li, Jianhua Gao, Snigdho Bardalai, Arun Satyanarayana: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled "Description of the Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic-Engineered (RSVP-TE) Graceful Restart Procedures" (RFC5495) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2010-08-05 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1370/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to RFC 5495." The IETF Secretariat From loa@pi.nu Mon Aug 9 06:52:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A212D3A695A; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.125 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.125 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.366, BAYES_05=-1.11, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vTYtlZkEwedk; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pi.nu (mail.pi.nu [194.71.127.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BD73A68ED; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.154.12.226] (unknown [192.165.126.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by mail.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A6ECD404F; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C600881.6070602@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:54:09 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100713 Thunderbird/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls-tp@ietf.org" , mpls@ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org, MPLS-TP ad hoc team , CCAMP WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:52:22 -0000 All, the authors of the http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt has requested that the document is accepted as a working group document. This is a document that resolves comments that were brought in very late (after the IESG approval) in the publication process for RFC5291. This mail starts a 2 week poll that ends August 24. Please send your comments to mpls-tp@ietf.org mailing list. Since we want the polled document and RFC5921 to be possible to jointly reference we also propose that now is the right time for an early review of the document. Loa and George mpls wg co-chairs -- Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 +46 767 72 92 13 From eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com Mon Aug 9 09:50:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFD73A6836; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:50:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vb3+qcSEo+y4; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [135.245.0.35]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9A33A6B0C; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.12]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id o79Gp6ki010904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:51:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from USNAVSXCHHUB02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsxchhub02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.111]) by usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id o79Gp6kX006742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:51:06 -0500 Received: from USNAVSXCHMBSA3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.125]) by USNAVSXCHHUB02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.111]) with mapi; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:51:06 -0500 From: "Varma, Eve L (Eve)" To: Loa Andersson , "mpls-tp@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "pwe3@ietf.org" , MPLS-TP ad hoc team , CCAMP WG Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:51:04 -0500 Thread-Topic: [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document Thread-Index: Acs3yi5FEF9PzgB0Sa+gEd8+9DMt+gAGNuCA Message-ID: <84208699E388BB4B83AD8BEA84A04AC724FB38EEBA@USNAVSXCHMBSA3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4C600881.6070602@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <4C600881.6070602@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.35 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.12 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:50:34 -0000 Support. Best regards, Eve -----Original Message----- From: mpls-tp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-tp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Loa Andersson Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:54 AM To: mpls-tp@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org; MPLS-TP ad hoc team; CC= AMP WG Subject: [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls = working group document All, the authors of the http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt has requested that the document is accepted as a working group document. This is a document that resolves comments that were brought in very late (after the IESG approval) in the publication process for RFC5291. This mail starts a 2 week poll that ends August 24. Please send your comments to mpls-tp@ietf.org mailing list. Since we want the polled document and RFC5921 to be possible to jointly reference we also propose that now is the right time for an early review of the document. Loa and George mpls wg co-chairs --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 +46 767 72 92 13 _______________________________________________ mpls-tp mailing list mpls-tp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-tp From mach@huawei.com Mon Aug 9 19:04:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030E83A69F8; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:04:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.732 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.732 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.237, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0S4eMeY07SZe; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBDF3A69F1; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L6W009Y1Z41WO@szxga04-in.huawei.com>; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:04:49 +0800 (CST) Received: from m55527c ([10.110.98.66]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L6W0028RZ402X@szxga04-in.huawei.com>; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:04:49 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:04:47 +0800 From: Mach Chen In-reply-to: <4C600881.6070602@pi.nu> To: Loa Andersson , mpls-tp@ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org, MPLS-TP ad hoc team , CCAMP WG Message-id: <252DB39BE0424868BA880354C6948949@m55527c> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <4C600881.6070602@pi.nu> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:04:29 -0000 Yes/Support. Best regards, Mach -------------------------------------------------- From: "Loa Andersson" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:54 PM To: ; ; ; "MPLS-TP ad hoc team" ; "CCAMP WG" Subject: [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document > All, > > the authors of the > > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt > has requested that the document is accepted as a > working group document. > > This is a document that resolves comments that were brought in > very late (after the IESG approval) in the publication > process for RFC5291. > > This mail starts a 2 week poll that ends August 24. > > Please send your comments to mpls-tp@ietf.org mailing list. > > Since we want the polled document and RFC5921 to be possible > to jointly reference we also propose that now is the right > time for an early review of the document. > > Loa and George > > mpls wg co-chairs > > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com > Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu > Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 > +46 767 72 92 13 > _______________________________________________ > mpls-tp mailing list > mpls-tp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-tp From kam.lam@alcatel-lucent.com Mon Aug 9 19:41:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB683A6814; 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Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:42:04 -0500 Received: from USNAVSXCHMBSA2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.124]) by USNAVSXCHHUB02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.111]) with mapi; Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:42:04 -0500 From: "Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam)" To: Loa Andersson , "mpls-tp@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "pwe3@ietf.org" , MPLS-TP ad hoc team , CCAMP WG Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:42:02 -0500 Thread-Topic: [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document Thread-Index: Acs3yi5DdhDAriKrSuqN2iHew85vYgAaz0Pg Message-ID: <7F76AEFB05C38145BABA0D545E3CFFD547EDD97B@USNAVSXCHMBSA2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4C600881.6070602@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <4C600881.6070602@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.39 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.11 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:41:33 -0000 Yes/Support=20 =20 --Kam =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: mpls-tp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-tp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f > Of Loa Andersson > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:54 AM > To: mpls-tp@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org; MPLS-TP ad hoc team; > CCAMP WG > Subject: [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpl= s > working group document >=20 > All, >=20 > the authors of the >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt > has requested that the document is accepted as a > working group document. >=20 > This is a document that resolves comments that were brought in > very late (after the IESG approval) in the publication > process for RFC5291. >=20 > This mail starts a 2 week poll that ends August 24. >=20 > Please send your comments to mpls-tp@ietf.org mailing list. >=20 > Since we want the polled document and RFC5921 to be possible > to jointly reference we also propose that now is the right > time for an early review of the document. >=20 > Loa and George >=20 > mpls wg co-chairs >=20 > -- >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com > Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu > Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 > +46 767 72 92 13 > _______________________________________________ > mpls-tp mailing list > mpls-tp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-tp From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Mon Aug 9 23:07:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87653A6A35; 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boundary="=_alternative 00567A598525777B_=" X-MAIL: mse2.zte.com.cn o7AFj619053866 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, CCAMP WG , MPLS-TP ad hoc team , pwe3@ietf.org, "mpls-tp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] [AHMPLS-TP] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:44:22 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00567A598525777B_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yes/support Malcolm Loa Andersson 09/08/2010 09:54 AM To "mpls-tp@ietf.org" , mpls@ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org, MPLS-TP ad hoc team , CCAMP WG cc Subject [AHMPLS-TP] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document All, the authors of the http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt has requested that the document is accepted as a working group document. This is a document that resolves comments that were brought in very late (after the IESG approval) in the publication process for RFC5291. This mail starts a 2 week poll that ends August 24. Please send your comments to mpls-tp@ietf.org mailing list. Since we want the polled document and RFC5921 to be possible to jointly reference we also propose that now is the right time for an early review of the document. Loa and George mpls wg co-chairs -- Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 +46 767 72 92 13 --=_alternative 00567A598525777B_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Yes/support

Malcolm



Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>

09/08/2010 09:54 AM

To
"mpls-tp@ietf.org" <mpls-tp@ietf.org>, mpls@ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org, MPLS-TP ad hoc team <ahmpls-tp@lists.itu.int>, CCAMP WG <ccamp@ietf.org>
cc
Subject
[AHMPLS-TP] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document





All,

the authors of the

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt
has requested that the document is accepted as a
working group document.

This is a document that resolves comments that were brought in
very late (after the IESG approval) in the publication
process for RFC5291.

This mail starts a 2 week poll that ends August 24.

Please send your comments to mpls-tp@ietf.org mailing list.

Since we want the polled document and RFC5921 to be possible
to jointly reference we also propose that now is the right
time for an early review of the document.

Loa and George

mpls wg co-chairs

--


Loa Andersson                         email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com
Sr Strategy and Standards Manager            loa@pi.nu
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Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:28:23 +0100 From: "Daniel King" To: References: <015f01ca106a$329035d0$14168182@zhang> <3F44186D7141E247972EAC6655B0A29101FA7A56@FRVELSMBS21.ad2.ad.alcatel.com> <003501ca16b4$958cd6c0$c0a68440$@co.uk> In-Reply-To: <003501ca16b4$958cd6c0$c0a68440$@co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:28:23 -0700 Message-ID: <007401cb39df$2f4df700$8de9e500$@co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoQaj8gWxIxSHM9QgaQCD2mljYSnwAia/AgAW/aczBIypPpUA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [CCAMP] IETF 78 Draft CCAMP Minutes X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:27:50 -0000 Hello CCAMP'rs, The draft minutes for our IETF 78 meeting have been uploaded to: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/minutes/ccamp.htm Please suggest any corrections by August 20, 2010. 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From diego.caviglia@ericsson.com Fri Aug 13 04:23:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714603A67CC for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 04:23:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.211, BAYES_50=0.001, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8EeXyv0Aw5Tn for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 04:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE573A67BD for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 04:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7b90ae00000278d-c6-4c652b347d77 Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id D1.CF.10125.43B256C4; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw110.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.78]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:23:32 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB3AD9.F5EC93DC"; type="multipart/alternative" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:23:30 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Notify message clarification Thread-Index: Acs62fU0eNg6Z2F9RUCIsjl/nwbPbQ== From: "Diego Caviglia" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2010 11:23:32.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[F612E9E0:01CB3AD9] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [CCAMP] Notify message clarification X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:23:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB3AD9.F5EC93DC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CB3AD9.F5EC93DC" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CB3AD9.F5EC93DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, In RFC 3473 section 4.3 is stated =20 "Notify messages are normally generated only after a Notify Request object has been received" =20 What means normally in this context? Can I send a Notify message to a node that has not requested, via NOTIFY_REQUEST obj, it?=20 =20 Thanks =20 Ciao D =20 =20 =20 DIEGO CAVIGLIA=20 Strategic Product Manager=20 Ericsson Italy Product Line PAIB Via A. Negrone 1/A Genoa, Italy Phone +390106003736 Mobile +393357181762 diego.caviglia@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com=20 =20 This Communication is Confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the term set out at www.ericsson.com/email_disclaimer=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_002_01CB3AD9.F5EC93DC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

        In RFC = 3473 section 4.3 is stated

 

“Notify messages are normally generated = only after a Notify Request object has been = received”

 

What means normally in this context?  Can I send = a Notify message to a node that has not requested, via NOTIFY_REQUEST obj, it? =

 

Thanks

 

Ciao


D

 

 

3Dline

DIEGO CAVIGLIA
Strategic Product Manager


Ericsson Italy
Product Line PAIB
Via A. Negrone 1/A
Genoa, = Italy
Phone +390106003736
Mobile +393357181762
diego.caviglia@ericsson.com
www.ericsson.com



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X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A20E3A6ACD; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:05:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MwzOT2HQ59rZ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pi.nu (mail.pi.nu [194.71.127.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699623A69E9; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [94.191.150.12] (94.191.150.12.bredband.tre.se [94.191.150.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by mail.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 230BFD404F; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C6AB34B.5040307@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:05:31 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls-tp@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , MPLS-TP ad hoc team , CCAMP , pwe3@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-boutros-mpls-tp-li-lb an mpls wg draft X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:05:09 -0000 Working Group, this email is to start a poll to adopt draft-boutros-mpls-tp-li-lb-01.txt as an MPLS working group draft. After recent experience, the chairs would like to remind you all what it means to conduct a poll to adopt a draft as a working group draft. - Please recall that the IETF does not "vote." Polls of a working group are to gather information to help the chairs make their decisions. Voting is not part of the normal working methods of an IETF working group. - The "rough consensus" process used in the working group assumes that people expressing opinions are also participating in the development of standards documents. - Subscription to the list specifically to express an opinion is noticed by the chairs who has access to information on the new list members. Such behavior is not part of the normal working methods. - The purpose of a poll for adoption is to help the chairs understand the level of support for a document (i.e. who has read it, who believes it is a good starting point for working group work, who will contribute to the work) and whether there are any significant technical issues. Statements of objection must be backed up by proper technical reasons. So please respond to this poll indicating whether you support the adoption of this draft or stating your technical issues. This poll ends eob August 29. Loa and George mpls wg co-chairs -- Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 +46 767 72 92 13 From adrian@olddog.co.uk Tue Aug 17 12:05:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74533A67EB for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:05:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.116, BAYES_40=-0.185, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fiTHSYUlS5zA for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273C63A67AC for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7HJ6JaV024398; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:06:19 +0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7HJ6FC6024393; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:06:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Diego Caviglia" , References: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:57:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Notify message clarification X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:05:47 -0000 Diego, Consider two cases... 1. The Notify Request object does not identify the sender of the message containing the object. In fact, the Notify Request is sued to indicate a request to receive a Notify and the destination of such a Notify. It is not used to curtail the use of a Notify in any way. 2. Notify is used for Call signaling per RFC 4974. In this case, the Notify is sent between Call Controllers without any previous exchange of Notify Request objects. However, while a spontaneously generated and directed Notify message might not be ruled illegal by any specification, I think we might hope to see the use case you have in mind specifically documented. Cheers, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Caviglia" To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:23 PM Subject: [CCAMP] Notify message clarification Hi all, In RFC 3473 section 4.3 is stated "Notify messages are normally generated only after a Notify Request object has been received" What means normally in this context? Can I send a Notify message to a node that has not requested, via NOTIFY_REQUEST obj, it? Thanks Ciao D DIEGO CAVIGLIA Strategic Product Manager Ericsson Italy Product Line PAIB Via A. Negrone 1/A Genoa, Italy Phone +390106003736 Mobile +393357181762 diego.caviglia@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com This Communication is Confidential. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Notify message clarification X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:46:35 -0000 Hi Adrian, Thanks for your clarifications; I'll provide more information abo= ut the use case in next weeks. Ciao e grazie (cheers and thanks) Diego line DIEGO CAVIGLIA=20 Strategic Product Manager=20 Ericsson Italy Product Line PAIB Via A. Negrone 1/A Genoa, Italy Phone +390106003736 Mobile +393357181762 diego.caviglia@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com=20 Ericsson This Communication is Confidential. We only send and receive email on the b= asis of the term set out at www.ericsson.com/email_disclaimer=20 -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20 Sent: marted=EC 17 agosto 2010 20.57 To: Diego Caviglia; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Notify message clarification Diego, Consider two cases... 1. The Notify Request object does not identify the sender of the message containing the object. In fact, the Notify Request is sued to indicate a request to receive a Notify and the destination of such a Notify. It is not used to curtail the use of a Notify in any way. 2. Notify is used for Call signaling per RFC 4974. In this case, the Notify is sent between Call Controllers without any previous exchange of Notify Request objects. However, while a spontaneously generated and directed Notify message might= =20 not be ruled illegal by any specification, I think we might hope to see the= =20 use case you have in mind specifically documented. Cheers, Adrian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Diego Caviglia" To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:23 PM Subject: [CCAMP] Notify message clarification Hi all, In RFC 3473 section 4.3 is stated "Notify messages are normally generated only after a Notify Request object has been received" What means normally in this context? Can I send a Notify message to a node that has not requested, via NOTIFY_REQUEST obj, it? Thanks Ciao D DIEGO CAVIGLIA Strategic Product Manager Ericsson Italy Product Line PAIB Via A. Negrone 1/A Genoa, Italy Phone +390106003736 Mobile +393357181762 diego.caviglia@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com This Communication is Confidential. We only send and receive email on the basis of the term set out at www.ericsson.com/email_disclaimer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >=20 From root@core3.amsl.com Wed Aug 18 14:45:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 7D9B33A6A40; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100818214510.7D9B33A6A40@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ethernet-pbb-te-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:45:19 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ethernet-pbb-te/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ethernet-pbb-te/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: /ipr/1174/ /ipr/1195/ From Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com Thu Aug 19 05:43:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ABC3A693F for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:43:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.372 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.372 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ftZkr0BqK6lD for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com (usaga01-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF783A68E7 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L7E0023SGPTLM@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L7E001VDGPQ0V@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:44:06 +0100 From: Adrian Farrel To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-id: <5E75B1F6E65E4F4EB79B90DC05A58186@your029b8cecfe> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [CCAMP] Resolution of Erratum on RFC 4873 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:43:43 -0000 Hi, Could the chairs give me a resolution for the Erratum at http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=1797 There is an indication that this has been discussed by the WG, and we should try to close it down. Thanks, Adrian From Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com Thu Aug 19 06:00:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD3E3A690C for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:00:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.377 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.377 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.221, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id URuzt0F0CCBU for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga01-in.huawei.com (usaga01-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30553A68D7 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga01-in [172.18.4.6]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L7E0021THH4LM@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) by usaga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L7E00427HH2IZ@usaga01-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:00:14 +0100 From: Adrian Farrel To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-id: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:00:06 -0000 Hi, http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=1883 points out a discrepancy between RFC 4803 (GMPLS LSR MIB) and RFC 3209. In discussing the Hello timer, RFC 3209 says: This value MAY be configured on a per neighbor basis. The default value is 5 ms. However, RFC 4803 defines gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod in ms, and says: DEFVAL { 3000 } Clearly, 3000 != 5. My view is that the operational default for the Hello period in a GMPLS system is much more likely to be 30 seconds than 5 ms. (But I was the principal author of RFC 4803, so I would say this!) On the other hand, from a process point of view, RFC 3209 should not have talked about a "default" value. It should have described a "recommended" value, since there is no concept of a default value in the protocol. Anyway... How to resolve this? I am inclined to reject the Erratum saying that the documented DEFVAL is what was intended by the working group. Comments please. Thanks, Adrian From Jonathan.Sadler@tellabs.com Thu Aug 19 08:50:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F5F3A6966 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.336 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.336 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.263, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9FfFZMcCLAP for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.tellabs.com (mx4.tellabs.com [204.154.129.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A783A696D for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,233,1280707200"; d="scan'208";a="1328880061" Received: from usnvwwmspht01.hq.tellabs.com (HELO usnvwwmspht01.tellabs-west.tellabsinc.net) ([172.23.211.69]) by mx4-priv.tellabs.com with ESMTP; 19 Aug 2010 15:51:17 +0000 Received: from EX-NAP.tellabs-west.tellabsinc.net ([172.23.211.71]) by usnvwwmspht01.tellabs-west.tellabsinc.net ([172.23.211.69]) with mapi; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:51:18 -0500 From: "Sadler, Jonathan B." To: Adrian Farrel , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:51:17 -0500 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer Thread-Index: Acs/npWj0wIf4LJfQTiP+V9gZCPI7wAFzBBA Message-ID: <5292FFA96EC22A4386067E9DBCC0CD2BCF33E2D939@EX-NAP.tellabs-west.tellabsinc.net> References: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> In-Reply-To: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:50:51 -0000 Hi Adrian, I concur with your conclusion/suggested resolution. RFC3209 was written by the MPLS working group for the MPLS-TE environment w= here signaling was done in-band. The Hello timer is therefore useful to de= termine link alive-ness separate from port aliveness (e.g. if it is an Ethe= rnet going through multiple switches). In the GMPLS environment, adjacencies run out-of-band and link aliveness is= determined using dataplane OAM -- the two are now decoupled. As such, it'= s a different use case which makes a different period reasonable. Jonathan Sadler -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:00 AM To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer Hi, http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=3D1883 points out a= =20 discrepancy between RFC 4803 (GMPLS LSR MIB) and RFC 3209. In discussing the Hello timer, RFC 3209 says: This value MAY be configured on a per neighbor basis. The default value is 5 ms. However, RFC 4803 defines gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod in ms, and says: DEFVAL { 3000 } Clearly, 3000 !=3D 5. My view is that the operational default for the Hello period in a GMPLS=20 system is much more likely to be 30 seconds than 5 ms. (But I was the=20 principal author of RFC 4803, so I would say this!) On the other hand, from a process point of view, RFC 3209 should not have=20 talked about a "default" value. It should have described a "recommended"=20 value, since there is no concept of a default value in the protocol. Anyway... How to resolve this? I am inclined to reject the Erratum saying that the documented DEFVAL is=20 what was intended by the working group. Comments please. Thanks, Adrian _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Thu Aug 19 08:54:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 8961F3A6912; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) To: donald.fedyk@alcatel-lucent.com, attila.takacs@ericsson.com, balazs.gero@ericsson.com, lonho@huawei.com From: IETF Secretariat Message-Id: <20100819155416.8961F3A6912@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, adrian.farrel@huawei.com, dbrungard@att.com, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] IPR Disclosure: Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-03 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:54:16 -0000 Dear Don Fedyk, Attila Takacs, Balazs Gero, Hao Long: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "GMPLS RSVP-TE Extensions for Ethernet OAM Configuration" (draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2010-08-19 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1380/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-03." The IETF Secretariat From eric.gray@ericsson.com Thu Aug 19 09:20:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF633A69C5 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:20:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ksLetfXYZbrx for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99673A695B for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0712.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.181]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7JGKbtG016179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:20:39 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0701.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.39]) by eusaamw0712.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.181]) with mapi; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:20:37 -0400 From: Eric Gray To: Adrian Farrel , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:20:35 -0400 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer Thread-Index: Acs/nqOWzYaJkr6zQ2W4DgCQsfndxwAGWeew Message-ID: References: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> In-Reply-To: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:20:10 -0000 Adrian, I think most people will not be able to access the URL you include below. I got the following when I tried:=20 "Invalid Login: This page is for use by specified members of the=20 IAB, IESG, IRSG, RFC Editorial Board, and the RFC Editor.=20 Please contact rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org with questions." For those of us Peons that would like to look at this erratum, I believe the correct URL is: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3D1883 Without actually looking at the erratum, it was not possible to determine which RFC this inconsistency was reported against. As it turns out, it was reported against the MIB RFC (RFC 4803) -=20 as opposed to the protocol RFC 3209, hence I agree with your=20 proposed resolution. As a side note, 3000 ms is 3 seconds, not 30 seconds... -- Eric -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:00 AM To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer Hi, http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=3D1883 points out a= =20 discrepancy between RFC 4803 (GMPLS LSR MIB) and RFC 3209. In discussing the Hello timer, RFC 3209 says: This value MAY be configured on a per neighbor basis. The default value is 5 ms. However, RFC 4803 defines gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod in ms, and says: DEFVAL { 3000 } Clearly, 3000 !=3D 5. My view is that the operational default for the Hello period in a GMPLS=20 system is much more likely to be 30 seconds than 5 ms. (But I was the=20 principal author of RFC 4803, so I would say this!) On the other hand, from a process point of view, RFC 3209 should not have=20 talked about a "default" value. It should have described a "recommended"=20 value, since there is no concept of a default value in the protocol. Anyway... How to resolve this? I am inclined to reject the Erratum saying that the documented DEFVAL is=20 what was intended by the working group. Comments please. Thanks, Adrian _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Thu Aug 19 12:20:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D223A68AB for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.33 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.33 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y+ge48v2JAfP for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 822333A68B2 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28048 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2010 19:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2010 19:21:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=labn.net; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=HA7z+YVS2NDnbH5/xRMdcwwHNwWjYwV6SyfH5U8/P5eXhrT6Bf+FfeA/4VNr0l90qnloRWKFiKvFlk2TzGdjtaYrdcwF19u3uzDFDuu7zH9gFgjHg2tHpDTp6kXn7228; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OmAfk-0001FC-0j; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:21:08 -0600 Message-ID: <4C6D8427.8040109@labn.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:21:11 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Farrel References: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> In-Reply-To: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:20:34 -0000 I have no objection to this resolution. Perhaps an errata to 3209 removing the sentence on default value would be useful too? Lou PS The default value was added to address a comment raised in early 2000 by I forget who -- perhaps the IESG, George may remember... On 8/19/2010 9:00 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=1883 points out a > discrepancy between RFC 4803 (GMPLS LSR MIB) and RFC 3209. > > In discussing the Hello timer, RFC 3209 says: > > This value MAY be > configured on a per neighbor basis. The default value is 5 ms. > > However, RFC 4803 defines gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod in ms, and says: > > DEFVAL { 3000 } > > Clearly, 3000 != 5. > > My view is that the operational default for the Hello period in a GMPLS > system is much more likely to be 30 seconds than 5 ms. (But I was the > principal author of RFC 4803, so I would say this!) > > On the other hand, from a process point of view, RFC 3209 should not have > talked about a "default" value. It should have described a "recommended" > value, since there is no concept of a default value in the protocol. > > Anyway... > > How to resolve this? > I am inclined to reject the Erratum saying that the documented DEFVAL is > what was intended by the working group. > > Comments please. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > From tnadeau@lucidvision.com Thu Aug 19 13:15:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0023A6948 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:15:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.841 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.841 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.638, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uo35diEe4oj2 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9CE3A6976 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (unknown [72.71.250.36]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EFC63D566; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:14:26 -0400 (EDT) References: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> In-Reply-To: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A400) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1CF3D33B-C18B-47C3-8FFB-E53CB7B12218@lucidvision.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A400) From: Thomas Nadeau Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:13:41 -0400 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:15:38 -0000 I agree with you; the wg reviewed the document and agreed with it's contents= . It is hard to see this as a defect. Tom Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:= > Hi, >=20 > http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=3D1883 points out a= discrepancy between RFC 4803 (GMPLS LSR MIB) and RFC 3209. >=20 > In discussing the Hello timer, RFC 3209 says: >=20 > This value MAY be > configured on a per neighbor basis. The default value is 5 ms. >=20 > However, RFC 4803 defines gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod in ms, and says: >=20 > DEFVAL { 3000 } >=20 > Clearly, 3000 !=3D 5. >=20 > My view is that the operational default for the Hello period in a GMPLS sy= stem is much more likely to be 30 seconds than 5 ms. (But I was the principa= l author of RFC 4803, so I would say this!) >=20 > On the other hand, from a process point of view, RFC 3209 should not have t= alked about a "default" value. It should have described a "recommended" valu= e, since there is no concept of a default value in the protocol. >=20 > Anyway... >=20 > How to resolve this? > I am inclined to reject the Erratum saying that the documented DEFVAL is w= hat was intended by the working group. >=20 > Comments please. >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >=20 From vishwas.ietf@gmail.com Thu Aug 19 19:19:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6ED3A67E3 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:19:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uHgtLpa4HP+t for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3293A67E2 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so2638238qwc.31 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:19:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=meAdVhtL5hg9PYTJK+YM5U6Wh4s3V9vOLClqkfQcBmc=; b=SqhvvGSxnxrN28BYVXGKKtMZ8Enk7DsBap11CcF22RRDQVFEUI3djarI+ItCWqVFPp e3UGtfu2/vCC/HQ5AB7hRA58PfLJWl1mdiw0fcWtIE/jlULTdDJeu9pg1sKGdVobm22A QnehC5ZG+dAFiF0AmVPBPFdqprOUS6JDhusXk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Y+ukLvQ7XlKP0INV9yWw0sZqfo5XuZiZFY9HRFzmrguKarNCl5fNfSMUg0+/Nzsozk 3G24m91WmTpz2f6lf8OJTh2PcW2NeOUltgNVTStCkQu1wYSXISF/foEdR/uOIurxd6GO cgcFNdX0zMNO6K+5+B8iI6Yb+MIkteJ/4plXU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.45.69 with SMTP id d5mr451121qaf.379.1282270790044; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.109.207 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:19:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:19:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: Vishwas Manral To: Eric Gray Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , Adrian Farrel Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 02:19:17 -0000 Hi, I agree with Eric on this!!! BTW if you want 30 seconds you may need to change things in the MIB too. Thanks, Vishwas On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Eric Gray wrote: > Adrian, > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I think most people will not be able to access the URL you > include below. =A0I got the following when I tried: > > "Invalid Login: This page is for use by specified members of the > =A0IAB, IESG, IRSG, RFC Editorial Board, and the RFC Editor. > =A0Please contact rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org with questions." > > For those of us Peons that would like to look at this erratum, I > believe the correct URL is: > > =A0http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3D1883 > > Without actually looking at the erratum, it was not possible to > determine which RFC this inconsistency was reported against. =A0As > it turns out, it was reported against the MIB RFC (RFC 4803) - > as opposed to the protocol RFC 3209, hence I agree with your > proposed resolution. > > As a side note, 3000 ms is 3 seconds, not 30 seconds... > > -- > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Adrian Farrel > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:00 AM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer > > Hi, > > http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=3D1883 points out = a > discrepancy between RFC 4803 (GMPLS LSR MIB) and RFC 3209. > > In discussing the Hello timer, RFC 3209 says: > > =A0 This value MAY be > =A0 configured on a per neighbor basis. =A0The default value is 5 ms. > > However, RFC 4803 defines gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod in ms, and says: > > =A0DEFVAL { 3000 } > > Clearly, 3000 !=3D 5. > > My view is that the operational default for the Hello period in a GMPLS > system is much more likely to be 30 seconds than 5 ms. (But I was the > principal author of RFC 4803, so I would say this!) > > On the other hand, from a process point of view, RFC 3209 should not have > talked about a "default" value. It should have described a "recommended" > value, since there is no concept of a default value in the protocol. > > Anyway... > > How to resolve this? > I am inclined to reject the Erratum saying that the documented DEFVAL is > what was intended by the working group. > > Comments please. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > From lberger@labn.net Thu Aug 19 19:56:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F7B3A6781 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.325 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.325 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hACZ5t1h5ie0 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E346F3A635F for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6197 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 2010 02:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2010 02:57:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=labn.net; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=M/AWtBo8Sf5GcQfKuOZEkaiB3nNFqes4QI1vWoQYbK5ROyhYBzZTTYse34S6tXMUcxFAN+d9OYE7IIfto+Tig0m77wSzCZ7XNXHStyU7VmsUd1MWJbqoAMIIZ4vLExeg; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OmHn5-0005Se-U4; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:57:12 -0600 Message-ID: <4C6DEF0B.1070702@labn.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:57:15 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Farrel References: <5E75B1F6E65E4F4EB79B90DC05A58186@your029b8cecfe> In-Reply-To: <5E75B1F6E65E4F4EB79B90DC05A58186@your029b8cecfe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Resolution of Erratum on RFC 4873 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 02:56:39 -0000 Adrian, It looks like the resolution captured in the url list below never made it into the Errata system. Can you help correct this? See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg10360.html Much thanks & good catch. Lou On 8/19/2010 8:44 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > Could the chairs give me a resolution for the Erratum at > http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=1797 > > There is an indication that this has been discussed by the WG, and we should > try to close it down. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > From Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com Fri Aug 20 04:05:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD893A6A77 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:05:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.216, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g3r-zOwfW7iO for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga03-in.huawei.com (usaga03-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.220]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD6B3A6A79 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga03-in [172.18.4.17]) by usaga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L7G0033S6UHWQ@usaga03-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:06:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) by usaga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L7G00ABY6UGLH@usaga03-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:06:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:03:09 +0100 From: Adrian Farrel To: Lou Berger Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5E75B1F6E65E4F4EB79B90DC05A58186@your029b8cecfe> <4C6DEF0B.1070702@labn.net> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Resolution of Erratum on RFC 4873 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:05:48 -0000 Thanks! Done. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Berger" To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Resolution of Erratum on RFC 4873 > Adrian, > It looks like the resolution captured in the url list below never made it > into the Errata system. Can you help correct this? > > See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg10360.html > > Much thanks & good catch. > > Lou > > On 8/19/2010 8:44 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Could the chairs give me a resolution for the Erratum at >> http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=1797 >> >> There is an indication that this has been discussed by the WG, and we >> should >> try to close it down. >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> >> >> > From adrian@olddog.co.uk Fri Aug 20 04:08:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15E23A6A8E for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:08:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.105, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N2x1IA4YIMYk for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E334D3A690A for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7KB8SNC023306; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:08:28 +0100 Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7KB8RFq023294; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:08:28 +0100 Message-ID: <8A76A2DC326644A9BA84E9B2A0C26462@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Eric Gray" , References: <912E440B0C9340DAA5EC1ACA9971E21E@your029b8cecfe> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:08:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:08:34 -0000 Sorry, two errors in one email :-) 1. There is one interface to the Erratum system for ADs and one for mortals. You need to go to... http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=1883 2. ADs (not being mortal) cannot divide by 10. 3000ms is (of course) just 3 seconds. I believe that RFC 4803 intended to say 3000ms. Cheers, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Gray" To: "Adrian Farrel" ; Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer > Adrian, > > I think most people will not be able to access the URL you > include below. I got the following when I tried: > > "Invalid Login: This page is for use by specified members of the > IAB, IESG, IRSG, RFC Editorial Board, and the RFC Editor. > Please contact rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org with questions." > > For those of us Peons that would like to look at this erratum, I > believe the correct URL is: > > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=1883 > > Without actually looking at the erratum, it was not possible to > determine which RFC this inconsistency was reported against. As > it turns out, it was reported against the MIB RFC (RFC 4803) - > as opposed to the protocol RFC 3209, hence I agree with your > proposed resolution. > > As a side note, 3000 ms is 3 seconds, not 30 seconds... > > -- > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Adrian Farrel > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 9:00 AM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] Erratrum on RSVP-TE Hello Timer > > Hi, > > http://www.rfc-editor.org/verify_errata_select.php?eid=1883 points out a > discrepancy between RFC 4803 (GMPLS LSR MIB) and RFC 3209. > > In discussing the Hello timer, RFC 3209 says: > > This value MAY be > configured on a per neighbor basis. The default value is 5 ms. > > However, RFC 4803 defines gmplsInterfaceRsvpHelloPeriod in ms, and says: > > DEFVAL { 3000 } > > Clearly, 3000 != 5. > > My view is that the operational default for the Hello period in a GMPLS > system is much more likely to be 30 seconds than 5 ms. (But I was the > principal author of RFC 4803, so I would say this!) > > On the other hand, from a process point of view, RFC 3209 should not have > talked about a "default" value. It should have described a "recommended" > value, since there is no concept of a default value in the protocol. > > Anyway... > > How to resolve this? > I am inclined to reject the Erratum saying that the documented DEFVAL is > what was intended by the working group. > > Comments please. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > From Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com Thu Aug 26 10:15:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A843A6AA2; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.432 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.166, BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3pjhV2PSMS+L; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usaga03-in.huawei.com (usaga03-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.220]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DCA3A6A7A; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (usaga03-in [172.18.4.17]) by usaga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L7R00J42RY3TA@usaga03-in.huawei.com>; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from your029b8cecfe (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) by usaga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L7R009JRRXZYR@usaga03-in.huawei.com>; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:15:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:14:58 +0100 From: Adrian Farrel To: david.black@emc.com, gen-art@ietf.org, donald.fedyk@alcatel-lucent.com, hshah@force10networks.com, nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com, attila.takacs@ericsson.com Message-id: <56D5EB9293644090999B95C60F77A393@your029b8cecfe> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Cc: david.black@emc.com, dbrungard@att.com, ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ethernet-pbb-te-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:15:16 -0000 David, Thanks for this. Authors: please consider these comments as part of the IETF last call, and come to resolution (possibly needing RFC Editor comments or a new revision). Thanks, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; Cc: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:01 PM Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ethernet-pbb-te-05.txt I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq . Please resolve these comments along with any other comments you may receive. Summary: This draft is on the right track, but has open issues, described in the review. This draft describes the use of a GMPLS control plane to configure explicit forwarding in Ethernet bridges for PBB-TE (Provider Backbone Bridge Traffic Engineering). In general, the draft is in good shape; the two open issues are in Section 5.1.2 and are minor: - Is the "has to allocate a VID" statement in Section 5.1.2 correct when shared forwarding is in use as described in Section 3.1 ? - The error value: MPLS Label allocation failure (9) appears to be inconsistent with the second bullet in Section 7 that requests IANA to allocate a new error value: "PBB-TE Ethernet Label VID allocation failure" (suggested value: 35?) for this case. Nits: In Section 2, what are the I and B components of an IB-BEB? Interface and Bridge? In Figure 1, the VIP acronym is not in Section 2's list of acronyms. In Section 4.1, remove the note to IANA after 2) and instead insert this instruction into Section 7. In Figure 4, the type is TBA. Add an instruction to Section 7 for IANA to fill this in after it is allocated. In the fourth bullet in Section 7, please state that the registry is created by the MLN-EXT draft if that is the case. idnits 2.12.04 ran clean. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 david.black@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- From david.black@emc.com Thu Aug 26 10:01:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C003A6AEE; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:01:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.424 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.424 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.175, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TjSaK6dF+KTb; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (mexforward.lss.emc.com [128.222.32.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AB53A6AE4; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI01.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.54]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o7QH1NCP017983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:01:24 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhub.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.253]) by hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:01:19 -0400 Received: from corpussmtp4.corp.emc.com (corpussmtp4.corp.emc.com [10.254.169.197]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o7QH1I8T011709; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:01:18 -0400 Received: from CORPUSMX80B.corp.emc.com ([10.254.89.202]) by corpussmtp4.corp.emc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:01:17 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:01:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ethernet-pbb-te-05.txt Thread-Index: ActFQEwoDqeODIKORP6xaxUmwryiTg== From: To: , , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2010 17:01:17.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CC8E990:01CB4540] X-EMM-MHVC: 1 X-EMM-MFVC: 1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:02:26 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, adrian.farrel@huawei.com, david.black@emc.com, dbrungard@att.com Subject: [CCAMP] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ethernet-pbb-te-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:01:15 -0000 I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on = Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at = http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq .=20 Please resolve these comments along with any other comments you may = receive. Summary: This draft is on the right track, but has open issues, described in the = review. This draft describes the use of a GMPLS control plane to configure = explicit forwarding in Ethernet bridges for PBB-TE (Provider Backbone = Bridge Traffic Engineering). In general, the draft is in good shape; the two open issues are in = Section 5.1.2 and are minor: - Is the "has to allocate a VID" statement in Section 5.1.2 correct when = shared forwarding is in use as described in Section 3.1 ? - The error value: MPLS Label allocation failure (9) appears to be = inconsistent with the second bullet in Section 7 that requests IANA to allocate a new error = value: "PBB-TE Ethernet Label VID allocation failure" (suggested value: 35?) for this = case. Nits: In Section 2, what are the I and B components of an IB-BEB? Interface = and Bridge? In Figure 1, the VIP acronym is not in Section 2's list of acronyms. In Section 4.1, remove the note to IANA after 2) and instead insert this = instruction into Section 7. In Figure 4, the type is TBA. Add an instruction to Section 7 for IANA = to fill this in after it is allocated. In the fourth bullet in Section 7, please state that the registry is = created by the MLN-EXT draft if that is the case. idnits 2.12.04 ran clean. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA=A0 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 FAX: +1 (508) = 293-7786 david.black@emc.com=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Thu Aug 26 14:26:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 01B0A3A6B09; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:26:39 -0700 (PDT) To: danli@huawei.com, gjhhit@huawei.com, snigdho.bardalai@us.fujitsu.com, asatyana@cisco.com From: IETF Secretariat Message-Id: <20100826212640.01B0A3A6B09@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, adrian.farrel@huawei.com, dbrungard@att.com, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] IPR Disclosure: Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to RFC 5495 (2) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:26:40 -0000 Dear Dan Li, Jianhua Gao, Snigdho Bardalai, Arun Satyanarayana: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled "Description of the Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic-Engineered (RSVP-TE) Graceful Restart Procedures" (RFC5495) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2010-08-19 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1381/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to RFC 5495 (2)." 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Message-ID: From: Ron Cohen To: Loa Andersson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a63718e684048e9fd517 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:32:13 -0700 Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , CCAMP , MPLS-TP ad hoc team , pwe3@ietf.org, "mpls-tp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-boutros-mpls-tp-li-lb an mpls wg draft X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:16:43 -0000 --001636c5a63718e684048e9fd517 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes/Support. Best, Ron On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > this email is to start a poll to adopt > draft-boutros-mpls-tp-li-lb-01.txt > as an MPLS working group draft. > > After recent experience, the chairs would like to remind you all > what it means to conduct a poll to adopt a draft as a working group > draft. > > - Please recall that the IETF does not "vote." Polls of a working > group are to gather information to help the chairs make their > decisions. Voting is not part of the normal working methods of > an IETF working group. > > - The "rough consensus" process used in the working group assumes > that people expressing opinions are also participating in the > development of standards documents. > > - Subscription to the list specifically to express an opinion is > noticed by the chairs who has access to information on the new list > members. Such behavior is not part of the normal working methods. > > - The purpose of a poll for adoption is to help the chairs understand > the level of support for a document (i.e. who has read it, who > believes it is a good starting point for working group work, who > will contribute to the work) and whether there are any significant > technical issues. Statements of objection must be backed up by > proper technical reasons. > > So please respond to this poll indicating whether you support the > adoption of this draft or stating your technical issues. > > This poll ends eob August 29. > > > Loa and George > mpls wg co-chairs > > > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com > Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu > Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 > +46 767 72 92 13 > _______________________________________________ > mpls-tp mailing list > mpls-tp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls-tp > --001636c5a63718e684048e9fd517 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes/Support.

Best,
Ron
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Loa Andersson = <loa@pi.nu>= wrote:
Working Group,

this email is to start a poll to adopt
draft-boutros-mpls-tp-li-lb-01.txt
as an MPLS working group draft.

After recent experience, the chairs would like to remind you all
what it means to conduct a poll to adopt a draft as a working group
draft.

- Please recall that the IETF does not "vote." Polls of a working=
=A0 group are to gather information to help the chairs make their
=A0 decisions. Voting is not part of the normal working methods of
=A0 an IETF working group.

- The "rough consensus" process used in the working group assumes=
=A0 that people expressing opinions are also participating in the
=A0 development of standards documents.

- Subscription to the list specifically to express an opinion is
=A0 noticed by the chairs who has access to information on the new list =A0 members. Such behavior is not part of the normal working methods.

- The purpose of a poll for adoption is to help the chairs understand
=A0 the level of support for a document (i.e. who has read it, who
=A0 believes it is a good starting point for working group work, who
=A0 will contribute to the work) and whether there are any significant
=A0 technical issues. Statements of objection must be backed up by
=A0 proper technical reasons.

So please respond to this poll indicating whether you support the
adoption of this draft or stating your technical issues.

This poll ends eob August 29.


Loa and George
mpls wg co-chairs


--


Loa Andersson =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 email: loa.andersson@eri= csson.com
Sr Strategy and Standards Manager =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0loa@pi.nu
Ericsson Inc =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0phone: +46 = 10 717 52 13
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X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0496E3A68AC; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.105 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.105 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.875, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2v0SH3uszFe6; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pi.nu (mail.pi.nu [194.71.127.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2523A6781; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.154.12.179] (unknown [192.165.126.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by mail.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1245DD404F; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:32:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C7B893E.8070805@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:34:38 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls-tp@ietf.org" , mpls@ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org, MPLS-TP ad hoc team , CCAMP WG References: <4C600881.6070602@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <4C600881.6070602@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [CCAMP] New wg draft Was: (Re: [mpls-tp] poll on making draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt an mpls working group document) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:32:23 -0000 Working Group, this draft has been accepted as an mpls working group draft. Could the authors please publish it with the new file name draft-ietf-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt Without any other changes to the draft than name and dates. /Loa On 2010-08-09 15:54, Loa Andersson wrote: > All, > > the authors of the > > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bfl-mpls-tp-uni-nni-00.txt > has requested that the document is accepted as a > working group document. > > This is a document that resolves comments that were brought in > very late (after the IESG approval) in the publication > process for RFC5291. > > This mail starts a 2 week poll that ends August 24. > > Please send your comments to mpls-tp@ietf.org mailing list. > > Since we want the polled document and RFC5921 to be possible > to jointly reference we also propose that now is the right > time for an early review of the document. > > Loa and George > > mpls wg co-chairs > -- Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 +46 767 72 92 13 From loa@pi.nu Mon Aug 30 05:02:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7293A69EF; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:02:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.239 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.239 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.741, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WWdciqmNvEIc; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pi.nu (mail.pi.nu [194.71.127.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B213A69B6; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.154.12.179] (unknown [192.165.126.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by mail.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 332E1D404F; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:01:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C7B9E20.6000402@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:03:44 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mpls-tp@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , MPLS-TP ad hoc team , CCAMP , pwe3@ietf.org References: <4C6AB34B.5040307@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <4C6AB34B.5040307@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [CCAMP] New working group draft Was:(Re: [mpls] poll on making draft-boutros-mpls-tp-li-lb an mpls wg draft) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:02:38 -0000 Working Group, We have a new working group draft. Could the authors of draft-boutros-mpls-tp-li-lb republish the draft as draft-ietf-mpls-tp-li-lb-00.txt with out any other changes than name and dates. /Loa On 2010-08-17 18:05, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > this email is to start a poll to adopt > draft-boutros-mpls-tp-li-lb-01.txt > as an MPLS working group draft. > > After recent experience, the chairs would like to remind you all > what it means to conduct a poll to adopt a draft as a working group > draft. > > - Please recall that the IETF does not "vote." Polls of a working > group are to gather information to help the chairs make their > decisions. Voting is not part of the normal working methods of > an IETF working group. > > - The "rough consensus" process used in the working group assumes > that people expressing opinions are also participating in the > development of standards documents. > > - Subscription to the list specifically to express an opinion is > noticed by the chairs who has access to information on the new list > members. Such behavior is not part of the normal working methods. > > - The purpose of a poll for adoption is to help the chairs understand > the level of support for a document (i.e. who has read it, who > believes it is a good starting point for working group work, who > will contribute to the work) and whether there are any significant > technical issues. Statements of objection must be backed up by > proper technical reasons. > > So please respond to this poll indicating whether you support the > adoption of this draft or stating your technical issues. > > This poll ends eob August 29. > > > Loa and George > mpls wg co-chairs > > -- Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 +46 767 72 92 13 From gregb@grotto-networking.com Mon Aug 30 07:34:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D3C3A69C1 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:34:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.370, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id auFCwnkC2+kC for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail16c40.carrierzone.com (mail16c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.156]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCB43A69B2 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:34:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: gregb.grotto-networking.com Received: from [192.168.0.124] (c-71-202-41-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.41.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail16c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o7UEZEuC003615 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4C7BC19C.4090309@grotto-networking.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:35:08 -0700 From: Greg Bernstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=8jDn9ck3xa6pAzKy2YELlNZHFltxGzIKDwLkGRyjWwg= c=1 sm=1 a=PUDP8v1NUdwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=OkPnmgdRXU7//wtL+yd+jg==:17 a=4gkJ2tJaxoPVaBSqGTQA:9 a=GMDg_f9J1ETNhD1ouq96Ggvw_wIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EgY3od2ZU2QA:10 a=h-I_03WOSDMA:10 a=OkPnmgdRXU7//wtL+yd+jg==:117 Subject: [CCAMP] WSON Info draft: Any additional comments? X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:34:48 -0000 Hi CCAMPers, at the Maastricht meeting we discussed taking the WSON RWA information model draft to last call. Are there any additional comments? Remember this is an informational overview document that sets the stage for the two standards track encoding documents. Cheers Greg B. -- =================================================== Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237