From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Tue Mar 1 02:27:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3C33A6767 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 02:27:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y2jKSNfw3Ffm for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 02:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (mailgw9.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633DF3A6359 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 02:27:39 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb39-b7c6dae0000023f2-4d-4d6cca59f5df Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 1A.75.09202.95ACC6D4; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:28:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSCMS0360.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.137]) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se ([10.2.3.125]) with mapi; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:28:40 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI)" , CCAMP Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:28:39 +0100 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] WG document poll fordraft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext Thread-Index: AcvSanRdLVLsNf+cTiKbp4ylHy6R9QFkOfOw Message-ID: References: <003e01cbd26a$6851d1b0$9fec6a9c@hp3d061f9287af> In-Reply-To: <003e01cbd26a$6851d1b0$9fec6a9c@hp3d061f9287af> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG document poll fordraft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 10:27:42 -0000 Yes/Support BR Daniele ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI)" To: "CCAMP" Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:09 AM Subject: [CCAMP] WG document poll fordraft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-= ospf-ext > This begins a 2-week poll on adopting this draft as a WG document. > Please indicate your support/non-support for this document. >=20 > Thanks, > Deborah and Lou >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From isacco.fontana@trentinonetwork.it Tue Mar 1 02:45:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D653A6452 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 02:45:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nPuZJ5ygbR0J for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 02:45:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from croce.trentinonetwork.it (croce.trentinonetwork.it [77.72.192.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ECD3A6359 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 02:45:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from croce.trentinonetwork.it (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by croce.trentinonetwork.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693D68EDB66; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:49:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.25.18.76] (unknown [172.25.18.76]) by croce.trentinonetwork.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655AA8EDB62; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:49:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D6CCE57.9020403@trentinonetwork.it> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:45:43 +0100 From: Isacco Fontana User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI)" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG document poll for draft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 10:45:30 -0000 support. Isacco BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI) ha scritto: > This begins a 2-week poll on adopting this draft as a WG document. > Please indicate your support/non-support for this document. > > Thanks, > Deborah and Lou > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ogondio@tid.es Tue Mar 1 02:49:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0B63A67A3 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 02:49:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.176 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.176 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.264, BAYES_20=-0.74, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BmI77WJB+m6Y for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 02:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from correo-bck.tid.es (correo-bck.tid.es [195.235.93.200]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9EC3A679F for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 02:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Sbrightmailg02.hi.inet [10.95.78.105]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LHD007DQKSF0E@tid.hi.inet> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:50:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from vanvan (vanvan.hi.inet [10.95.78.49]) by sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with SMTP id 42.34.15910.18FCC6D4; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:50:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from correo.tid.es (mailhost.hi.inet [10.95.64.100]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0LHD007DMKSF0E@tid.hi.inet> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:50:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from EXCLU2K7.hi.inet ([10.95.67.65]) by htcasmad2.hi.inet ([192.168.0.2]) with mapi; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:50:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:50:38 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Oscar_Gonz=E1lez_de_Dios?= In-reply-to: To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI)" , CCAMP Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: es-ES Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Thread-topic: WG document poll for draft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext Thread-index: AcvR6ilTO2ov9I4DSeaN00ape4ukPAFfGxfg acceptlanguage: es-ES, en-US X-AuditID: 0a5f4e69-b7c5bae000003e26-10-4d6ccf81913f X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAReBNLE= References: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG document poll for draft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 10:49:41 -0000 Support, Best Regards, =D3scar >-----Mensaje original----- >De: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de >BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI) >Enviado el: lunes, 21 de febrero de 2011 18:10 >Para: CCAMP >Asunto: [CCAMP] WG document poll for draft-zhang-ccamp-general- >constraints-ospf-ext > >This begins a 2-week poll on adopting this draft as a WG document. >Please indicate your support/non-support for this document. > >Thanks, >Deborah and Lou > >_______________________________________________ >CCAMP mailing list >CCAMP@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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We only send and re= ceive email on the basis of the terms set out at. http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Tue Mar 1 09:15:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58E43A6A01; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KXc1S7UK4aqo; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FFE3A69F8; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:15:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110301171502.11935.21190.idtracker@localhost> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 09:15:02 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-08.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:15:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Encoding for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : G. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-08.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2011-03-01 A wavelength switched optical network (WSON) requires that certain key information elements are made available to facilitate path computation and the establishment of label switching paths (LSPs). The information model described in "Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks" shows what information is required at specific points in the WSON. Part of the WSON information model contains aspects that may be of general applicability to other technologies, while other parts are fairly specific to WSONs. This document provides efficient, protocol-agnostic encodings for the WSON specific information elements. It is intended that protocol- specific documents will reference this memo to describe how information is carried for specific uses. Such encodings can be used to extend GMPLS signaling and routing protocols. In addition these encodings could be used by other mechanisms to convey this same information to a path computation element (PCE). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-01090939.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From gregb@grotto-networking.com Tue Mar 1 09:34:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4013A6A36 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:34:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w43TP1xhI9gz for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail16c40.carrierzone.com (mail16c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.156]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799523A687C for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authenticated-User: gregb.grotto-networking.com Received: from [192.168.0.125] (c-71-202-41-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.41.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail16c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p21HZ6ON032169 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:35:08 GMT Message-ID: <4D6D2E47.2060906@grotto-networking.com> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 09:35:03 -0800 From: Greg Bernstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=VQ7YUjtfGgr3GAr4wX7pPypQ/B91NkanIee6Jm9vkWs= c=1 sm=1 a=cE5JefgrxtYA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=OkPnmgdRXU7//wtL+yd+jg==:17 a=t11yMxaKomG8Tq9vdqgA:9 a=pFPTfg1rHDYDd1771YkA:7 a=6crEkfowPFqaoAWxt70dRHGrsWIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EgY3od2ZU2QA:10 a=h-I_03WOSDMA:10 a=OkPnmgdRXU7//wtL+yd+jg==:117 Subject: [CCAMP] Updates of WG documents: RWA Info and RWA WSON Encode X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:34:06 -0000 Hello CCAMPers and particularly those interested in WSON. Based on comments we have received off the list we have updated these two documents in preparation for last call: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-10: clarified the way that the resource pool is modeled from blocks of identical resources. draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-08: Enhanced text to clarify relationship between pools, blocks and resources. Deleted reference to previously removed RBNF element. Note that these changes are strictly editorial in nature. With the resolution of a high level TLV strategy for OSPF extensions we feel that these documents are ready for last call. If you feel that you have a mainstream WSON system that cannot be modeled by these documents please send an example to this list for all to study. Best Regards Greg & Young -- =================================================== Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 From giomarti@cisco.com Wed Mar 2 04:40:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBFA3A6C43 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 04:40:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1gBS3JkAbPdP for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 04:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862843A67D1 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 04:40:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; l=597; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1299069668; x=1300279268; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oZW8UD0QUQfKx2zGVK6+Cm2SdDDVw/rqjO+mY4C0w3U=; b=SH3CVTXJndHWcJIk8k+nZpJM8fTUEKAarqwPld5oxK780JLGCBl79WcP G69lHwK/4laksbrSS/jOdTzim6Vm45yRcTe3wtI3gfX+oAKCwY8JPW1OJ ohcjH5stux1JUjrPqn1kf17GC4rR4e1Q9/Se2ejpc5Z6HvV2HzGx5D9AN M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak0GAG/JbU2Q/khMgWdsb2JhbACYQI4XFQEBFiIloS2bb4VhBIwm X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,253,1297036800"; d="scan'208";a="20492051" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Mar 2011 12:41:07 +0000 Received: from mnza1-dhcp-vl250-144-254-172-156.cisco.com (mnza1-dhcp-vl250-144-254-172-156.cisco.com [144.254.172.156]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p22Cf7dN006783 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:41:07 GMT Message-ID: <4D6E3AE8.6060604@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 13:41:12 +0100 From: Giovanni Martinelli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110221 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG document poll for draft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 12:40:05 -0000 yes/support Just one comment: although the ID refer to somewhat "generic" constrain encoding I would like to make sure the content [may|may not] evolve according to ongoing discussion on wson-ospf extension. Cheers G On 2/21/11 6:09 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI) wrote: > This begins a 2-week poll on adopting this draft as a WG document. > Please indicate your support/non-support for this document. > > Thanks, > Deborah and Lou > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From ke-oogaki@kddi.com Tue Mar 1 00:54:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505933A69FA for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:54:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YJM1ttqjCVvx for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729903A6A91 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9425617481D4 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:55:04 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fPUjSWdycDta for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:55:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp (platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:1300:172:19:83:254]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C18C1748185 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:55:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from dhcp249.east-2f.cn.kddilabs.jp (platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp [172.19.83.254]) by platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1164578063 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:55:00 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4D6CB467.9000309@kddi.com> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:55:03 +0900 From: "Ogaki, Kenichi" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; ja-JP-mac; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP References: , <201102282031379069496@gmail.com> <201103011238121569392@mail.ritt.com.cn> In-Reply-To: <201103011238121569392@mail.ritt.com.cn> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050900080101090607030902" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 05:51:37 -0800 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG document pollfordraft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 08:57:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050900080101090607030902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit support Kenichi > [CCAMP] WG document poll > fordraft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext > This begins a 2-week poll on adopting this draft as a WG document. > Please indicate your support/non-support for this document. > Thanks, > Deborah and Lou > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --------------050900080101090607030902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit support

Kenichi
[CCAMP] WG document poll fordraft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext
This begins a 2-week poll on adopting this draft as a WG document.
Please indicate your support/non-support for this document.
Thanks,
Deborah and Lou
_______________________________________________
CCAMP mailing list

--------------050900080101090607030902-- From lberger@labn.net Wed Mar 2 10:40:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5313A6835 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:40:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.656 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.656 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.610, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_24_48=1.219, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JMiSNYqxWZRv for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0615B3A6800 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32602 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2011 18:41:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2011 18:41:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=labn.net; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=pDEaL4xxm/Mstwx1+T+GKZXUr0Y3i6L/MzytOFCzh0zpKX40vYwI/d478BlxneFS+BVvPEBqKCiZxUaCa6lh6NNgvUUAN6C5bZhynaG4B1GqxteVyOSjYpBJm2AgBleV; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Puqzi-00066T-V7; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 11:41:55 -0700 Message-ID: <4D6D1F6E.5080003@labn.net> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:31:42 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Masanori Miyazawa References: <00ce01cbb34d$e6aa1130$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <012b01cbd75c$b36d5100$1a47f300$@jp> In-Reply-To: <012b01cbd75c$b36d5100$1a47f300$@jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: 'Tomohiro Otani' , "'MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)'" , ccamp@ietf.org, "'Dan Romascanu \(E-mail\)'" , ke-kumaki@kddilabs.jp Subject: Re: [CCAMP] MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:40:50 -0000 Masanori, What about representing the other states defined for interface status in the Interface MIB (RFC2863)? Lou On 2/28/2011 10:32 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: > Please discuss. > > "Thank you for your comment. We think the definition of tedInfosStatus in > previous version was wrong, as you indeicated . It took into account only a > state/status of this MIB itself, not link information. In order to take into > account the operational status of TE link, we think it is necessary to > create new object such as, for example, "tedLinkState" in tedTable as shown > below. If you have comments, please let us know. " > > tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX INTEGER { > up(1), > down(2) > } > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " " > ::={ tedEntry X } > From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Wed Mar 2 20:52:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2263A695E; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:52:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.976, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0.76, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r2IjLMVM+lnI; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx6.zte.com.cn [63.218.89.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564243A6961; 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Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:53:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3X92dZqF+Wss; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D252D3A67F1; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B24E1748152; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:54:28 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x5YV1TWIAUCC; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:54:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp (platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:1300:172:19:83:254]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37901748105; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:54:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from miyazawaPC (ebisu.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:11::214]) by platinum.inc.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C8C578063; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:54:24 +0900 (JST) From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: "'Lou Berger'" References: <00ce01cbb34d$e6aa1130$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <012b01cbd75c$b36d5100$1a47f300$@jp> <4D6D1F6E.5080003@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4D6D1F6E.5080003@labn.net> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:54:28 +0900 Message-ID: <004501cbd9b2$e5a3e280$b0eba780$@jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcvZCYIMh73xBu5iRuOm1QvA4zoOGAAoQp5w Content-Language: ja Cc: 'Tomohiro Otani' , "'MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)'" , ccamp@ietf.org, "'Dan Romascanu \(E-mail\)'" , ke-kumaki@kddilabs.jp Subject: Re: [CCAMP] MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 14:53:29 -0000 Lou, Thank you for your comment. You mean that, for example, the state information defined in ifOperStatus should be added in the state of tedLinkSate as below. tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX INTEGER { up(1), down(2), testing(3), $B!!!!(B unknown(4), dormant(5), notPresent(6) } MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION " " ::={ tedEntry X } Regards, Masanori > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 1:32 AM > To: Masanori Miyazawa > Cc: 'Joan Cucchiara'; ccamp@ietf.org; 'MIB Doctors (E-mail)'; 'Tomohiro > Otani'; ke-kumaki@kddilabs.jp; 'Thomas D. Nadeau'; 'Dan Romascanu > (E-mail)' > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 > > > Masanori, > What about representing the other states defined for interface > status > in the Interface MIB (RFC2863)? > > Lou > > On 2/28/2011 10:32 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: > > Please discuss. > > > > "Thank you for your comment. We think the definition of tedInfosStatus > in > > previous version was wrong, as you indeicated . It took into account only > a > > state/status of this MIB itself, not link information. In order to take > into > > account the operational status of TE link, we think it is necessary to > > create new object such as, for example, "tedLinkState" in tedTable as > shown > > below. If you have comments, please let us know. " > > > > tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE > > SYNTAX INTEGER { > > up(1), > > down(2) > > } > > MAX-ACCESS read-only > > STATUS current > > DESCRIPTION > > " " > > ::={ tedEntry X } > > From bao.yuanlin@zte.com.cn Thu Mar 3 07:17:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777553A69F8 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.415 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.415 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.423, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0.76, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VK8WKps4DKCA for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx6.zte.com.cn [63.218.89.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFBF3A69EA for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.34.0.130] by mx5.zte.com.cn with surfront esmtp id 3510473195744; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:16:20 +0800 (CST) Received: from [10.30.3.21] by [192.168.168.15] with StormMail ESMTP id 84746.473195744; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:18:29 +0800 (CST) Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse02.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id p23FIPxR078187 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:18:25 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from Bao.Yuanlin@zte.com.cn) In-Reply-To: <4D6E3AE8.6060604@cisco.com> To: ccamp@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: EF99ECE1:1F59E3B1-48257848:0053FE72; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.6 March 06, 2007 Message-ID: From: Bao.Yuanlin@zte.com.cn Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:18:27 +0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.1FP4|July 25, 2010) at 2011-03-03 23:18:29, Serialize complete at 2011-03-03 23:18:29 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0054177748257848_=" X-MAIL: mse02.zte.com.cn p23FIPxR078187 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG document poll for draft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:17:29 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0054177748257848_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" yes/support Yuanlin On 2/21/11 6:09 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI) wrote: > This begins a 2-week poll on adopting this draft as a WG document. > Please indicate your support/non-support for this document. > > Thanks, > Deborah and Lou > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --=_alternative 0054177748257848_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
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--=_alternative 0054177748257848_=-- From pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Mar 3 09:09:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA0F3A6830 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:09:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UhbSiGtnI53o for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail6.alcatel.fr (smail6.alcatel.fr [62.23.212.42]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10F03A67F1 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p23HApj0030341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:10:52 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.35]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:10:32 +0100 From: "PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" To: Greg Bernstein , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:10:31 +0100 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Updates of WG documents: RWA Info and RWA WSON Encode Thread-Index: AcvYNxT+MHF8zPAZRn2/sPKGcDC22ABjRFPQ Message-ID: References: <4D6D2E47.2060906@grotto-networking.com> In-Reply-To: <4D6D2E47.2060906@grotto-networking.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 155.132.188.84 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Updates of WG documents: RWA Info and RWA WSON Encode X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:09:51 -0000 Hi Greg, I welcome the editorial clarifications you achieved in these documents. But I would like to be sure of understanding everything properly: In section 5 of draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-10, we can read: "For modeling purposes and encoding efficiency we group identical processing resources such as regenerators or wavelength converters with identical accessibility properties into "blocks". The resource pool model is composed of one or more resource blocks where the accessibility to and from any resource within a block is the same. " I was wondering whether the last appearance of "block" was not to be read "= pool" (4 words before the end of the quote). - p -----Message d'origine----- De : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de G= reg Bernstein Envoy=E9 : mardi 1 mars 2011 18:35 =C0 : ccamp@ietf.org Objet : [CCAMP] Updates of WG documents: RWA Info and RWA WSON Encode Hello CCAMPers and particularly those interested in WSON. Based on comment= s we have received off the list we have updated these two documents in prep= aration for last call: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-10: clarified the way that the resource pool is m= odeled from blocks of identical resources. draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-08: Enhanced text to clarify relationship= between pools, blocks and resources. Deleted reference to previously remov= ed RBNF element. Note that these changes are strictly editorial in nature. With the resoluti= on of a high level TLV strategy for OSPF extensions we feel that these docu= ments are ready for last call. If you feel that you have a mainstream WSON= system that cannot be modeled by these documents please send an example to= this list for all to study. Best Regards Greg & Young -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From gregb@grotto-networking.com Thu Mar 3 09:24:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EB93A6830 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6x2H-yYMm4h1 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail14c40.carrierzone.com (mail14c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.154]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08843A67F1 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:24:10 -0800 (PST) X-Authenticated-User: gregb.grotto-networking.com Received: from [192.168.0.125] (c-71-202-41-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [71.202.41.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail14c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p23HOa1Y020222; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:24:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4D6FCECF.3030007@grotto-networking.com> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 09:24:31 -0800 From: Greg Bernstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110221 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" References: <4D6D2E47.2060906@grotto-networking.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=hN5g4f4S693j4XktKQrFidYzVWCVWtq0QnS6qvrAthI= c=1 sm=1 a=rAjuMfewEwIA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=OkPnmgdRXU7//wtL+yd+jg==:17 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=F-6XnaoQDDO0LyjXReYA:9 a=vQxmM_q_43pv78IQUEcA:7 a=GXL-TtkMsDfzYle5Ba1m_GjYH3AA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EgY3od2ZU2QA:10 a=h-I_03WOSDMA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=OkPnmgdRXU7//wtL+yd+jg==:117 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Updates of WG documents: RWA Info and RWA WSON Encode X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:24:12 -0000 Hi Pierre, the last appearance of "block" in that sentence is meant to be "block". The containment hierarchy is: A Pool contains Blocks. Blocks contain individual resources (with identical properties). This model allows one to specify (a) resource property information for all resources within a block (since they are identical) and (b) the ingress/egress connectivity to/from a block (since we require all resources within the block to have the same connectivity to the outside world). Note that one can have a block with only one resource in it. Example A.1 in the appendix shows a case like this (only two resources in the pool and each with different accessibility so they cannot be combined into a single block). Cheers Greg On 3/3/2011 9:10 AM, PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE) wrote: > Hi Greg, > > I welcome the editorial clarifications you achieved in these documents. > But I would like to be sure of understanding everything properly: > > In section 5 of draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-10, we can read: > "For modeling purposes and encoding efficiency we group identical > processing resources such as regenerators or wavelength converters > with identical accessibility properties into "blocks". The resource > pool model is composed of one or more resource blocks where the > accessibility to and from any resource within a block is the same. " > > I was wondering whether the last appearance of "block" was not to be read "pool" (4 words before the end of the quote). > > - p > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Greg Bernstein > Envoyé : mardi 1 mars 2011 18:35 > À : ccamp@ietf.org > Objet : [CCAMP] Updates of WG documents: RWA Info and RWA WSON Encode > > Hello CCAMPers and particularly those interested in WSON. Based on comments we have received off the list we have updated these two documents in preparation for last call: > > draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-10: clarified the way that the resource pool is modeled from blocks of identical resources. > > draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-08: Enhanced text to clarify relationship between pools, blocks and resources. Deleted reference to previously removed RBNF element. > > Note that these changes are strictly editorial in nature. With the resolution of a high level TLV strategy for OSPF extensions we feel that these documents are ready for last call. If you feel that you have a mainstream WSON system that cannot be modeled by these documents please send an example to this list for all to study. > > Best Regards > > Greg& Young > > -- > =================================================== > Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > -- =================================================== Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 From lberger@labn.net Thu Mar 3 12:20:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721343A688F for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:20:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.004 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.004 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.261, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GtXDI4B2lREz for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E2B933A6843 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12383 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2011 20:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2011 20:22:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=labn.net; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=Jgpo+13K2DfYzrU1i1Ya6AFyridcaIsfHFk4MEiToiYvexETG8uqQFdfvsoYUKR9WtIaYBM0QzXyTyQVkvwwQWCm5PT98EERN32ZepoW3xniTozhwc7W/57DNhq90uTN; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PvF2B-0007wQ-Mu; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:22:03 -0700 Message-ID: <4D6FF86D.10500@labn.net> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:22:05 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Masanori Miyazawa References: <00ce01cbb34d$e6aa1130$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <012b01cbd75c$b36d5100$1a47f300$@jp> <4D6D1F6E.5080003@labn.net> <004501cbd9b2$e5a3e280$b0eba780$@jp> In-Reply-To: <004501cbd9b2$e5a3e280$b0eba780$@jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: 'Tomohiro Otani' , "'MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)'" , ccamp@ietf.org, "'Dan Romascanu \(E-mail\)'" , ke-kumaki@kddilabs.jp Subject: Re: [CCAMP] MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:20:57 -0000 I think this is reasonable. Although this does not address how OperStatus of the TE link is set. Lou On 3/3/2011 9:54 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: > Lou, > > Thank you for your comment. You mean that, for example, the state > information defined in ifOperStatus should be added in the state of > tedLinkSate as below. > > tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX INTEGER { > up(1), > down(2), > testing(3), > $B!!!!(B unknown(4), > dormant(5), > notPresent(6) > } > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " " > ::={ tedEntry X } > > Regards, > Masanori > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 1:32 AM >> To: Masanori Miyazawa >> Cc: 'Joan Cucchiara'; ccamp@ietf.org; 'MIB Doctors (E-mail)'; 'Tomohiro >> Otani'; ke-kumaki@kddilabs.jp; 'Thomas D. Nadeau'; 'Dan Romascanu >> (E-mail)' >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 >> >> >> Masanori, >> What about representing the other states defined for interface >> status >> in the Interface MIB (RFC2863)? >> >> Lou >> >> On 2/28/2011 10:32 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: >>> Please discuss. >>> >>> "Thank you for your comment. We think the definition of tedInfosStatus >> in >>> previous version was wrong, as you indeicated . It took into account > only >> a >>> state/status of this MIB itself, not link information. In order to take >> into >>> account the operational status of TE link, we think it is necessary to >>> create new object such as, for example, "tedLinkState" in tedTable as >> shown >>> below. If you have comments, please let us know. 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b=GpVFjs3Zfpzd3EA5UOSEdB4tB1QvNEgV/3ieZNfdrQizb++igtGqA7H6JoCNQ7rNvNjsX0G3ogGlpH4Vus4LrsVOdJPvPiQ5KhOR+q5ZEXmcfQl8Ng8qsDUHjUFKKLvA; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PwZWy-0002oU-TY; Mon, 07 Mar 2011 05:27:21 -0700 Message-ID: <4D74CF2B.4040908@labn.net> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 07:27:23 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP , "ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , Dan King X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Prague Agenda Requests (IETF 80) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 12:26:11 -0000 All, The final meeting agenda for Prague is out. (See https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/80/agenda.html). Please send your requests for time on the working group agenda to the chairs and the WG secretary (Dan) by the end of the day Monday March 14. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) PS Cut-off dates for Prague can be found at http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2011.html#IETF80 From pierre.peloso@alcatel-lucent.com Mon Mar 7 09:09:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C33E3A67FD for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:09:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4jzICmnFnFuD for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF793A67CF for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p27HAS50004663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:10:29 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSA1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.35]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:10:29 +0100 From: "PELOSO, PIERRE (PIERRE)" To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI)" , CCAMP Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:10:27 +0100 Thread-Topic: WG document poll for draft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext Thread-Index: AcvR6ilTO2ov9I4DSeaN00ape4ukPALAERDw Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG document poll for draft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:09:28 -0000 Hi all, Yes - support=20 Pierre Peloso -----Message d'origine----- De : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI) Envoy=E9 : lundi 21 f=E9vrier 2011 18:10 =C0 : CCAMP Objet : [CCAMP] WG document poll for draft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-= ospf-ext This begins a 2-week poll on adopting this draft as a WG document. 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Thanks, Deborah and Lou _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Mon Mar 7 18:33:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E093A68B8; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:33:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.106 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.106 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.106, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BTEBrWdBHczb; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::2f]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729853A680B; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id C8762E0706; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:34:19 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20110308023419.C8762E0706@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 18:34:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [CCAMP] RFC 6060 on Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Control of Ethernet Provider Backbone Traffic Engineering (PBB-TE) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 02:33:06 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6060 Title: Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Control of Ethernet Provider Backbone Traffic Engineering (PBB-TE) Author: D. Fedyk, H. Shah, N. Bitar, A. Takacs Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: March 2011 Mailbox: donald.fedyk@alcatel-lucent.com, hshah@ciena.com, nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com, attila.takacs@ericsson.com Pages: 20 Characters: 45600 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ethernet-pbb-te-06.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6060.txt This specification is complementary to the GMPLS Ethernet Label Switching Architecture and Framework and describes the technology-specific aspects of GMPLS control for Provider Backbone Bridge Traffic Engineering (PBB-TE). The necessary GMPLS extensions and mechanisms are described to establish Ethernet PBB-TE point-to-point (P2P) and point-to-multipoint (P2MP) connections. This document supports, but does not modify, the standard IEEE data plane. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Tue Mar 8 14:45:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B64F3A67A3; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:45:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WqwUwCdBGA+r; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD923A67AA; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:45:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110308224502.9240.94923.idtracker@localhost> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:45:02 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-09.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 22:45:03 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Encoding for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : G. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-09.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2011-03-08 A wavelength switched optical network (WSON) requires that certain key information elements are made available to facilitate path computation and the establishment of label switching paths (LSPs). The information model described in "Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks" shows what information is required at specific points in the WSON. Part of the WSON information model contains aspects that may be of general applicability to other technologies, while other parts are fairly specific to WSONs. This document provides efficient, protocol-agnostic encodings for the WSON specific information elements. It is intended that protocol- specific documents will reference this memo to describe how information is carried for specific uses. Such encodings can be used to extend GMPLS signaling and routing protocols. In addition these encodings could be used by other mechanisms to convey this same information to a path computation element (PCE). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-09.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-09.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-08143854.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Tue Mar 8 15:15:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75733A67B8; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZYLcBEEptGW; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3863A659B; Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:15:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110308231501.17204.57603.idtracker@localhost> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:15:01 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-04.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 23:15:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Compatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Y. Lee, G. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-04.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2011-03-08 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-04.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-04.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-08150539.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Wed Mar 9 07:18:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id E74723A69D9; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Jones(ITU-T SG 15) To: lberger@labn.net, dbrungard@att.com, jpv@cisco.com, rcallon@juniper.net, swallow@cisco.com, loa@pi.nu, julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20110309151828.E74723A69D9@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:18:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: mpls@ietf.org, hiroshi.ota@itu.int, greg.jones@itu.int, Steve.Trowbridge@alcatel-lucent.com, ccamp@ietf.org, yoichi.maeda@ttc.or.jp, pce@ietf.org, adrian.farrel@huawei.com, tsbsg15@itu.int, paf@cisco.com Subject: [CCAMP] New Liaison Statement, "LS274 - SG15 OTNT Standardization Work Plan" X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: tsbsg15@itu.int List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:18:29 -0000 Title: LS274 - SG15 OTNT Standardization Work Plan Submission Date: 2011-03-09 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=1029 Please reply by 2011-11-18 From: Greg Jones(ITU-T SG 15) To: IETF (CCAMP, PCE and MPLS WGs)(lberger@labn.net,dbrungard@att.com,jpv@cisco.com,rcallon@juniper.net,swallow@cisco.com,loa@pi.nu,julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com) Cc: paf@cisco.com stbryant@cisco.com adrian.farrel@huawei.com ccamp@ietf.org pce@ietf.org mpls@ietf.org yoichi.maeda@ttc.or.jp Steve.Trowbridge@alcatel-lucent.com Reponse Contact: tsbsg15@itu.int greg.jones@itu.int hiroshi.ota@itu.int Technical Contact: koike.yoshinori@lab.ntt.co.jp Purpose: For comment Body: Thank you for your previous review and comments for �Optical Transport Networks & Technologies Standardization Work Plan�. Attached is the updated version from this SG15 meeting (Geneva, 14-25 February 2011). This version reflects recent development of related standards and your valuable input. We appreciate your review of this latest version and comments. Attachment: OTNT Standardization Work Plan, Issue 14 (TD408R1/PLEN) Attachment(s): LS274 - SG15 OTNT Standardization Work Plan - pdf body (https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file1201.pdf) LS274 - SG15 OTNT Standardization Work Plan - pdf attach (https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file1202.pdf) From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Wed Mar 9 07:45:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D521D3A6A2A; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:45:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9MzGbDasxj47; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE533A6A2C; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:45:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110309154502.14522.99297.idtracker@localhost> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:45:02 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:45:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : RSVP Resource Sharing Remote Identification Association Author(s) : F. Le Faucheur, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing-01.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2011-03-09 The Resource reSerVation Protocol (RSVP) ASSOCIATION object allows to create association across RSVP path states or across Resv states. Two association types are currently defined: recovery and resource sharing. This document defines a new association type called "Resource Sharing Remote Identification". It can be used by the sender to convey to the receiver the information that can then be used by the receiver to identify a downstream initiated resource sharing association. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-09073744.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Wed Mar 9 08:00:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E65D3A695C; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:00:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pEbx18uxC-Wg; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60A83A67BD; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110309160001.19749.91586.idtracker@localhost> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:00:01 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-11.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:00:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Operating Virtual Concatenation (VCAT) and the Link Capacity Adjustment Scheme (LCAS) with Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Author(s) : G. Bernstein, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-11.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2011-03-09 This document describes requirements for, and use of, the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control plane in support of the Virtual Concatenation (VCAT) layer 1 inverse multiplexing data plane mechanism and its companion Link Capacity Adjustment Scheme (LCAS) which can be used for hitless dynamic resizing of the inverse multiplex group. These techniques apply to Optical Transport Network (OTN), Synchronous Optical Network (SONET), Synchronous Digital Hierarchy (SDH), and Plesiochronous Digital Hierarchy (PDH) signals. This document updates the procedures for supporting virtual concatenation in [RFC4606]. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-11.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-11.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-09075501.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From db3546@att.com Wed Mar 9 10:15:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CCD3A6944 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:15:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id atMmBK03fsJe for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83093A6966 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:15:37 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: db3546@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1299694613!7113445!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.146] Received: (qmail 30197 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2011 18:16:54 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.146) by server-15.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 9 Mar 2011 18:16:54 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p29IFu0i002812 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 13:15:56 -0500 Received: from gaalpa1msgusr7e.ugd.att.com (gaalpa1msgusr7e.ugd.att.com [135.53.26.19]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p29IFs5n002783 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 13:15:54 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 13:16:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-11.txt Thread-Index: Acvehij+SeoGdQ6xSLyjK5JQYzMBVw== From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI)" To: "CCAMP" Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-11.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:15:38 -0000 WG, This begins a two week Working Group Last Call on: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-11.txt The draft has been updated after the earlier working group last call in preparation for publishing. This working group last call ends on March 23rd. Please send comments to the mailing list. Deborah (and Lou) From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Wed Mar 9 15:45:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FB33A6AFB; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:45:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9zU70AOsqor9; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:45:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93C83A6AF6; Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:45:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110309234501.24426.26656.idtracker@localhost> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:45:01 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 23:45:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Framework for the Control of Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSON) with Impairments Author(s) : G. Bernstein, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-05.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2011-03-09 As an optical signal progresses along its path it may be altered by the various physical processes in the optical fibers and devices it encounters. When such alterations result in signal degradation, we usually refer to these processes as "impairments". These physical characteristics may be important constraints to consider when using a GMPLS control plane to support path setup and maintenance in wavelength switched optical networks. This document provides a framework for applying GMPLS protocols and the PCE architecture to support Impairment Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment (IA-RWA) in wavelength switched optical networks. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-09153848.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From RKunze@telekom.de Thu Mar 10 07:44:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E333A69CC for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:44:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nv2+8Z2sTQ9k for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tcmail83.telekom.de (tcmail83.telekom.de [62.225.183.131]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224A03A69E6 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from s4de9jsaanm.mgb.telekom.de (HELO S4DE9JSAANM.ost.t-com.de) ([10.125.177.122]) by tcmail81.telekom.de with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2011 16:45:13 +0100 Received: from S4DE9JSAAMV.ost.t-com.de ([10.125.177.113]) by S4DE9JSAANM.ost.t-com.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:45:12 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBDF3A.2485F9F7" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:45:11 +0100 Message-ID: <12B4EE5E5C169249941A3AD946043E5408D85296@S4DE9JSAAMV.ost.t-com.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New draft on Black Link mamangement and control plus the corresponding optical interface SNMP MIB Thread-Index: AcvfOiJzcoFpy2oeR7u+/BByL08ZOg== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2011 15:45:12.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[24A34C50:01CBDF3A] Subject: [CCAMP] New draft on Black Link mamangement and control plus the corresponding optical interface SNMP MIB X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:44:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBDF3A.2485F9F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,=20 we submitted successfully two drafts on black link and think that both = drafts are related to CCAMP work. The first draft is a framework = document on Black Link management and control and second one specifies = the corresponding optical interface SNMP MIB.=20 Please have a look on both documents and send us comments and = suggestions.=20 http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kunze-black-link-management-framework-00.txt= =20 http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-galimbe-kunze-black-link-mib-00.txt=20 Best regards, R=FCdiger Deutsche Telekom AG Group Technology R=FCdiger Kunze Goslarer Ufer 35, 10589 Berlin +49 30 3497 - 3152 (Tel.) +49 30 3497 - 3153 (Fax) +49 1702275321 (Mobil) E-Mail: Ruediger.Kunze@telekom.de www.telekom.com Life is for sharing. Deutsche Telekom AG Supervisory Board: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner (Chairman) Board of Management: Ren=E9 Obermann (Chairman), Dr. Manfred Balz, Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme, Timotheus H=F6ttges, Guido Kerkhoff, Edward R. Kozel, Thomas = Sattelberger Commercial register: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 6794 Registered office: Bonn VAT identification no. 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Hi All,
we submitted successfully two drafts = on black link and think that both drafts are related to CCAMP work. The = first draft is a framework document on Black Link management and control = and second one specifies the corresponding optical interface SNMP MIB. =

Please have a look on both documents = and send us comments and suggestions.

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kunze-black-link-management-f= ramework-00.txt
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-galimbe-kunze-black-link-mib-= 00.txt


Best regards,

R=FCdiger


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Life is for sharing.

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Board of Management: Ren=E9 Obermann (Chairman),
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------_=_NextPart_001_01CBDF3A.2485F9F7-- From leeyoung@huawei.com Thu Mar 10 08:02:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89D63A67C1; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SWw-p2MEO8fa; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from usaga04-in.huawei.com (usaga04-in.huawei.com [206.16.17.180]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5423A694D; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (usaga04-in [172.18.4.101]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LHU007X3N9MWS@usaga04-in.huawei.com>; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:03:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com ([172.18.9.107]) by usaga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0LHU00M49N9LL8@usaga04-in.huawei.com>; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:03:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.270.1; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:03:15 -0800 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::c52a:9e19:87eb:4531]) by DFWEML402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:03:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:20 +0000 From: Leeyoung In-reply-to: <20110309234501.24426.26656.idtracker@localhost> X-Originating-IP: [10.124.12.79] To: "Internet-Drafts@ietf.org" , "i-d-announce@ietf.org" Message-id: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1738DBF6@DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Accept-Language: en-US Thread-topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-05.txt Thread-index: AQHL3rRlvajcZKZGj0i21oh3WbXFW5QmuS2w X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <20110309234501.24426.26656.idtracker@localhost> Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:02:06 -0000 Hi CCAMPers, The following update is mostly editorial in nature and passed all IDNITS to be ready for WG LC. Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:45 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-05.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Framework for the Control of Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSON) with Impairments Author(s) : G. Bernstein, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-05.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2011-03-09 As an optical signal progresses along its path it may be altered by the various physical processes in the optical fibers and devices it encounters. When such alterations result in signal degradation, we usually refer to these processes as "impairments". These physical characteristics may be important constraints to consider when using a GMPLS control plane to support path setup and maintenance in wavelength switched optical networks. This document provides a framework for applying GMPLS protocols and the PCE architecture to support Impairment Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment (IA-RWA) in wavelength switched optical networks. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-impairments-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From ping@pingpan.org Thu Mar 10 08:19:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED80C3A68A9; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:19:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZwG2GFyHxd8J; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod7og127.obsmtp.com (exprod7og127.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.210]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DDE83A68C1; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([209.85.216.177]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob127.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTXj6UK0/pLf3Z3dthJWc1ExfH93azjNK@postini.com; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:20:33 PST Received: by qyl38 with SMTP id 38so1501053qyl.8 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.95.175 with SMTP id dl15mr11773663vdb.69.1299774028154; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:20:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.165.197 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:19:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110308020004.17578.69780.idtracker@localhost> References: <20110308020004.17578.69780.idtracker@localhost> From: Ping Pan Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:19:57 -0800 Message-ID: To: mpls@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f307c3c865c049e233902 Subject: [CCAMP] Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-pan-shared-mesh-protection-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:19:17 -0000 --20cf307f307c3c865c049e233902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Shared Mesh Protection has the benefit of optimizing network resources in transport networks. However, activating the protection has always been a challenge. MPLS-TP has outlined the requirements and framework. Here is a proposal that we have put together to solve the performance issue in shared meshed networks. Given its simplicity (actually it's designed for embedded data-plane), this can achieve rapid traffic recovery and switch-over. The performance goal is to recover traffic in million seconds for end-to-end transport tunnels. We are still working on details. Look forward to hear your feedback. Best regards, Ping ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-pan-shared-mesh-protection-00.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A new Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Supporting Shared Mesh Protection in MPLS-TP Networks Author(s) : R. Rao, et al Filename : draft-pan-shared-mesh-protection-00.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2011-03-07 Shared mesh protection is a common protection and recovery mechanism in transport networks, where multiple paths can share the same set of network resources for protection purposes. In the context of MPLS-TP, it has been explicitly requested as a part of the overall solution (Req. 67, 68 and 69 in RFC5654 [1]). It's important to note that each MPLS-TP LSP may be associated with transport network resources. In event of network failure, it may require explicit activation on the protecting paths before switching user traffic over. In this memo, we define a lightweight signaling mechanism for protecting path activation in shared mesh protection-enabled MPLS-TP networks. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pan-shared-mesh-protection-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --20cf307f307c3c865c049e233902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Shared Mesh Protection has the benefit of optimizing= network resources in transport networks. However, activating the protectio= n has always been a challenge.

MPLS-TP has outline= d the requirements and framework. Here is a proposal that we have put toget= her to solve the performance issue in shared meshed networks.

Given its simplicity (actually it's designed for em= bedded data-plane), this can achieve rapid traffic recovery and switch-over= . The performance goal is to recover traffic in million seconds for end-to-= end transport tunnels.

We are still working on details. Look forward to hear y= our feedback.

Best regards,

Ping



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= Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM
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A new Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts d= irectories.


=A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : Supporting Shared Mesh Protection in MPLS-T= P Networks
=A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 : R. Rao, et al
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=A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 15
=A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2011-03-07

Shared mesh protection is a common protection and recovery mechanism
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0in transport networks, where multiple paths can share the s= ame set
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0of network resources for protection purposes.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0In the context of MPLS-TP, it has been explicitly requested= as a
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0part of the overall solution (Req. 67, 68 and 69 in RFC5654= [1]).

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0It's important to note that each MPLS-TP LSP may be ass= ociated with
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0transport network resources. In event of network failure, i= t may
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0require explicit activation on the protecting paths before = switching
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0user traffic over.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0In this memo, we define a lightweight signaling mechanism f= or
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0protecting path activation in shared mesh protection-enable= d MPLS-TP
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0networks.


A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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--20cf307f307c3c865c049e233902-- From ping@pingpan.org Thu Mar 10 11:17:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014903A6A56; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:17:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MMpBue8LtyKf; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod7og113.obsmtp.com (exprod7og113.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 50D583A6806; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([209.85.216.51]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob113.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTXkkJ8ftTVVlPJvJk8/3PgxtG0ahuiAt@postini.com; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:19:04 PST Received: by qwb8 with SMTP id 8so1582718qwb.38 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.65.52 with SMTP id u20mr473262vds.309.1299784742277; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:19:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.165.197 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:18:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20110308020004.17578.69780.idtracker@localhost> From: Ping Pan Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:18:32 -0800 Message-ID: To: mpls@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50166a5d91440049e25b770 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D ACTION:draft-pan-shared-mesh-protection-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:17:47 -0000 --bcaec50166a5d91440049e25b770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Correction: the goal is to recover in milliseconds. Did not mean to use US Postal Service or Pony Express for protecting path activation. ;-) Ping On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Ping Pan wrote: > Hi, > > Shared Mesh Protection has the benefit of optimizing network resources in > transport networks. However, activating the protection has always been a > challenge. > > MPLS-TP has outlined the requirements and framework. Here is a proposal > that we have put together to solve the performance issue in shared meshed > networks. > > Given its simplicity (actually it's designed for embedded data-plane), this > can achieve rapid traffic recovery and switch-over. The performance goal > is to recover traffic in million seconds for end-to-end transport tunnels. > > We are still working on details. Look forward to hear your feedback. > > Best regards, > > Ping > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-pan-shared-mesh-protection-00.txt > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > A new Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Supporting Shared Mesh Protection in MPLS-TP Networks > Author(s) : R. Rao, et al > Filename : draft-pan-shared-mesh-protection-00.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2011-03-07 > > Shared mesh protection is a common protection and recovery mechanism > in transport networks, where multiple paths can share the same set > of network resources for protection purposes. > > In the context of MPLS-TP, it has been explicitly requested as a > part of the overall solution (Req. 67, 68 and 69 in RFC5654 [1]). > > It's important to note that each MPLS-TP LSP may be associated with > transport network resources. In event of network failure, it may > require explicit activation on the protecting paths before switching > user traffic over. > > In this memo, we define a lightweight signaling mechanism for > protecting path activation in shared mesh protection-enabled MPLS-TP > networks. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pan-shared-mesh-protection-00.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draftdirectories: > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > --bcaec50166a5d91440049e25b770 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correction: the goal is to recover in milliseconds.=A0

Did not= mean to use US Postal Service or Pony Express for protecting path activati= on. ;-)

Ping

On = Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Ping Pan <ping@pingpan.org> wrote:
Hi,

Shared Mesh Protecti= on has the benefit of optimizing network resources in transport networks. H= owever, activating the protection has always been a challenge.

MPLS-TP has outlined the requirements and framework. He= re is a proposal that we have put together to solve the performance issue i= n shared meshed networks.

Given its simplicity (actually it's designed for em= bedded data-plane), this can achieve rapid traffic recovery and switch-over= . The performance goal is to recover traffic in million seconds for en= d-to-end transport tunnels.

We are still working on details. Look forward to hear y= our feedback.

Best regards,

Ping



A new Inte= rnet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.


=A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : Supporting Shared Mesh Protection in MPLS-T= P Networks
=A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 : R. Rao, et al
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=A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 15
=A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2011-03-07

Shared mesh protection is a common protection and recovery mechanism
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0in transport networks, where multiple paths can share the s= ame set
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0In the context of MPLS-TP, it has been explicitly requested= as a
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0part of the overall solution (Req. 67, 68 and 69 in RFC5654= [1]).

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0It's important to note that each MPLS-TP LSP may be ass= ociated with
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0transport network resources. In event of network failure, i= t may
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0require explicit activation on the protecting paths before = switching
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0user traffic over.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0In this memo, we define a lightweight signaling mechanism f= or
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0protecting path activation in shared mesh protection-enable= d MPLS-TP
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0networks.


A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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Authors, please submit the document as a wg document (please note file name change): draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te Thanks, Deborah and Lou -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI) Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:10 PM To: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] WG document poll fordraft-zhang-ccamp-general-constraints-ospf-ext This begins a 2-week poll on adopting this draft as a WG document. Please indicate your support/non-support for this document. Thanks, Deborah and Lou _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sun Mar 13 11:00:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4D23A6A72; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mzavTpXmBePA; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A825E3A68C3; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:00:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110313180001.12321.12139.idtracker@localhost> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:00:01 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 18:00:03 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Configuration of pro-active MPLS-TP Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) Functions Using RSVP-TE Author(s) : E. Bellagamba, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-05.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2011-03-13 This specification describes the configuration of pro-active MPLS-TP Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) Functions for a given LSP using a set of TLVs that can be carried in the RSVP-TE protocol. 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Behavior Negotiation in The Link Management Protocol Author(s) : D. Li, D. Ceccarelli Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiation-02.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2011-03-13 The Link Management Protocol (LMP) is used to coordinate the properties, use, and faults of data links in Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) networks. Various proposals have been advanced to provide extensions to the base LMP specification. This document defines an extension to negotiate capabilities and support for those extensions, and provides a generic procedure for LMP implementations that do not recognize or do not support any one of these extensions. 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Usage of The RSVP Association Object Author(s) : L. Berger, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info-01.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2011-03-14 The RSVP ASSOCIATION object was defined in the context of GMPLS (Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching) controlled label switched paths (LSPs). In this context, the object is used to associate recovery LSPs with the LSP they are protecting. This object also has broader applicability as a mechanism to associate RSVP state, and this document defines how the ASSOCIATION object can be more generally applied. The document also reviews how the association is to be provided in the context of GMPLS recovery. No new new procedures or mechanisms are defined with respect to GMPLS recovery. This document also defines extended ASSOCIATION objects which can be used in the context of Transport Profile of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS-TP). 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You can find it in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gonzale= zdedios-subwavelength-framework-00 We aim to present it at the ccamp WG mee= ting in Prague. This document discusses the framework for enhancements to the GMPLS archite= cture to control sub-wavelength switching optical networks. Sub-wavelength= s refer to the time-shared utilization of a single wavelength by optical bu= rsts, packets or slots. Sub-wavelength technologies are the base of new cost-effective network= architectures. In particular, they are suited for metro areas, to cope = with high traffic volumes as well as more demanding requirements of netwo= rked applications. Please consider taking a look at the document and giving us feedback on it.= We believe now it is the time when sub-wavelength technologies are in the = point of starting to be mature, with commercial products (e.g. Intune netwo= rks), and plans in the major vendors . We would like to know your opinion, = and if it is the right time to start building a framework for these technol= ogies. Our first approach is that, as these technologies have a common base= (sharing the wavelengths in bursts, packets or slots), but the data plane = implementations are now vendor specific, we should define a common control = plane for them. We also extend the invitation to collaborate in the topic to all people int= erested. Best Regards and thanks in advance, =D3scar ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nu= estra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de correo electr=F3nico en el enl= ace situado m=E1s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. 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     &= nbsp;          You can find it= in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gonzalezdedios-subwavelength-framework-00<= /a> We aim to present it at the ccamp WG meeting in Prague.

 

Th= is document discusses the framework for enhancements to the GMPLS architect= ure to control sub-wavelength switching optical networks.  Sub-wavelen= gths refer to the time-shared utilization of a single wavelength by optical bursts, packets or slots.=

 

&n= bsp;    Sub-wavelength technologies are the base of new cost= -effective network architectures.  In particular, they are suited for = metro areas, to   cope with high traffic volumes as well as more demanding   requirements of networked applications.

 

Pl= ease consider taking a look at the document and giving us feedback on it. W= e believe now it is the time when sub-wavelength technologies are in the po= int of starting to be mature, with commercial products (e.g. Intune networks), and plans in the major vendors . We would= like to know your opinion, and if it is the right time to start building a= framework for these technologies. Our first approach is that, as these tec= hnologies have a common base (sharing the wavelengths in bursts, packets or slots), but the data plane implement= ations are now vendor specific, we should define a common control plane for= them.

 

We= also extend the invitation to collaborate in the topic to all people inter= ested.

 

Be= st Regards and thanks in advance,

 

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 --Boundary_(ID_jLfNhtM4aJEF+1FUOVi6+A)-- From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Mar 14 07:30:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70D83A6DBF; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D3qcYlvJSR-s; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076E03A6DC2; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:30:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110314143002.5553.35341.idtracker@localhost> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:30:02 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:30:03 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS RSVP-TE extensions for OAM Configuration Author(s) : A. Takacs, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-05.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2011-03-14 OAM is an integral part of transport connections, hence it is required that OAM functions are activated/deactivated in sync with connection commissioning/decommissioning; avoiding spurious alarms and ensuring consistent operation. In certain technologies OAM entities are inherently established once the connection is set up, while other technologies require extra configuration to establish and configure OAM entities. This document specifies extensions to RSVP-TE to support the establishment and configuration of OAM entities along with LSP signaling.Requirements Language The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-14072606.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Mar 14 07:30:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8203A6DBF; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:30:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EhktOlmFX5MN; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7303A6DC4; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:30:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110314143002.5553.20525.idtracker@localhost> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:30:02 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:30:04 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS RSVP-TE Extensions for Ethernet OAM Configuration Author(s) : A. Takacs, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-05.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2011-03-14 The GMPLS controlled Ethernet Label Switching (GELS) work extended GMPLS RSVP-TE to support the establishment of Ethernet LSPs. IEEE Ethernet Connectivity Fault Management (CFM) specifies an adjunct OAM flow to check connectivity in Ethernet networks. CFM can be also used with Ethernet LSPs for fault detection and triggering recovery mechanisms. The ITU-T Y.1731 specification builds on CFM and specifies additional OAM mechanisms, including Performance Monitoring, for Ethernet networks. This document specifies extensions of GMPLS RSVP-TE to support the setup of the associated Ethernet OAM (CFM and Y.1731) entities defining Ethernet technology specific TLV based on [OAM-CONF-FWK].Requirements Language The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-14072635.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Mar 14 08:30:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A1B3A6D26; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:30:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BxqYSKAB80DS; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0803A6D28; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:30:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110314153006.29808.29777.idtracker@localhost> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:30:06 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:30:19 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Signaling Extensions for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : G. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling-01.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2011-03-14 This memo provides extensions to Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling for control of wavelength switched optical networks (WSON). Such extensions are necessary in WSONs under a number of conditions including: (a) when optional processing, such as regeneration, must be configured to occur at specific nodes along a path, (b) where equipment must be configured to accept an optical signal with specific attributes, or (c) where equipment must be configured to output an optical signal with specific attributes. In addition this memo provides mechanisms to support distributed wavelength assignment with bidirectional LSPs, and choice in distributed wavelength assignment algorithms. These extensions build on previous work for the control of lambda and G.709 based networks. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-14081937.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Mar 14 13:15:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838F13A6B71; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ik83q4tPA8zM; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B4B3A6AAA; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:15:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110314201502.20551.3514.idtracker@localhost> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:15:02 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-11.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:15:03 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Encoding for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : G. Bernstein, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-11.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2011-03-14 A wavelength switched optical network (WSON) requires that certain key information elements are made available to facilitate path computation and the establishment of label switching paths (LSPs). The information model described in "Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks" shows what information is required at specific points in the WSON. Part of the WSON information model contains aspects that may be of general applicability to other technologies, while other parts are fairly specific to WSONs. This document provides efficient, protocol-agnostic encodings for the WSON specific information elements. It is intended that protocol- specific documents will reference this memo to describe how information is carried for specific uses. Such encodings can be used to extend GMPLS signaling and routing protocols. In addition these encodings could be used by other mechanisms to convey this same information to a path computation element (PCE). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-11.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-11.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-14130336.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Mar 14 14:00:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9C43A6B8B; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:00:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.579 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3IuLkATKj7kw; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6263A6EEF; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:00:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110314210002.8579.52834.idtracker@localhost> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:00:02 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-11.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:00:05 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : G. Bernstein, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-11.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2011-03-14 This document provides a model of information needed by the routing and wavelength assignment (RWA) process in wavelength switched optical networks (WSONs). The purpose of the information described in this model is to facilitate constrained optical path computation in WSONs. This model takes into account compatibility constraints between WSON signal attributes and network elements but does not include constraints due to optical impairments. Aspects of this information that may be of use to other technologies utilizing a GMPLS control plane are discussed. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-11.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-11.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-03-14134742.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From zhangfatai@huawei.com Mon Mar 14 18:00:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508843A6D6D for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:00:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fdoT0OoP5q-b for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241303A6D1C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga05-in [172.24.2.49]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LI200B3XQUTEH@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:01:42 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LI200AKUQUSE9@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:01:41 +0800 (CST) Received: from z41162a ([10.70.76.157]) by szxml06-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0LI200ML5QUR2I@szxml06-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:01:40 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:01:39 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: CCAMP Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_zlLtXxQw/dVe4WnXIHWAew)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [CCAMP] New draft: Applicability of GMPLS UNI X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:00:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_zlLtXxQw/dVe4WnXIHWAew) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi CCAMPers, A new draft has been uploaded, which is about Applicability of GMPLS UNI. This document examines a number of GMPLS UNI application scenarios including UNI addressing, discovery, path computation, recovery, UNI Call and multicast over UNI. It also shows how techniques can be applied to automate or enable critical processes for these applications. We would like to request your review and comments. Thanks Fatai Huawei Technologies Co., LTD. Huawei Base, Bantian, Longgang, Shenzhen 518129 P.R.China Tel: +86-755-28972912 Fax: +86-755-28972935 --Boundary_(ID_zlLtXxQw/dVe4WnXIHWAew) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi CCAMPers,
 
A new draft has been uploaded, which is about Applicability of GMPLS UNI.
 
This document examines a number of GMPLS UNI application scenarios including UNI addressing, discovery, path computation, recovery, UNI Call and multicast over UNI.  It also shows how techniques can be applied to automate or enable critical processes for these applications.
 
We would like to request your review and comments.
 
 

Thanks
 
Fatai
 
Huawei Technologies Co., LTD.
Huawei Base, Bantian, Longgang,
Shenzhen 518129 P.R.China
Tel: +86-755-28972912
Fax: +86-755-28972935
--Boundary_(ID_zlLtXxQw/dVe4WnXIHWAew)-- From rrao@infinera.com Mon Mar 14 18:12:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2B73A697C for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:12:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, MIME error: error: illegal encoding [base64] for MIME type message/external-body X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tc9en8M5Ne0V for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing1.infinera.com (outgoing1.infinera.com [8.4.225.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0AC3A68AC for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SV-EXDB1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.31]) by sv-exhub1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.36]) with mapi; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:14:21 -0700 From: Rajan Rao To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:14:18 -0700 Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt Thread-Index: Acvinizy7tRJvaySRYuE5865C3XrqQAAARvwAAO6bSA= Message-ID: <35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C54A9@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C54A9SVEXDB1infine_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:12:59 -0000 --_002_35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C54A9SVEXDB1infine_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We have submitted updates to the following draft. Please review & comment. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03 Thanks Authors=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 4:15 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : OSPF TE Extensions for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Control = of G.709 Optical Transport Networks Author(s) : A. Kunjidhapatham, et al. Filename : draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2011-03-14 As OTN network capabilities continue to evolve, there is an increased need = to support GMPLS control for the same. [RFC4328] introduced GMPLS signaling= extensions for supporting the early version of G.709 [G.709-v1]. The basic= routing considerations from signaling perspective is also specified in [RF= C4328]. The recent revision of ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G.709-v3] and [GSUP.43] = have introduced new ODU containers (both fixed and flexible) and additional ODU multiplexing capabilities, enabling support fo= r optimal service aggregation. =20 This document describes OSPF protocol extensions to support Generalized MPL= S (GMPLS) control for routing services over the standardized OTU/ODU contai= ners in support of ODU based TDM switching. Routing support for Optical Cha= nnel Layer switching (Lambda switching) is not covered in this document. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.tx= t Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementa= tion to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --_002_35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C54A9SVEXDB1infine_ Content-Type: message/external-body; name="draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.url" Content-Description: draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.url Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.url"; size=101; creation-date="Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:18:49 GMT"; modification-date="Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:18:49 GMT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 W0ludGVybmV0U2hvcnRjdXRdDQpVUkw9ZnRwOi8vZnRwLmlldGYub3JnL2ludGVybmV0LWRyYWZ0 cy9kcmFmdC1hc2hvay1jY2FtcC1nbXBscy1vc3BmLWc3MDktMDMudHh0DQo= --_002_35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C54A9SVEXDB1infine_-- From Ladan.Pickering@us.fujitsu.com Mon Mar 14 18:13:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43AA3A6BBE for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:13:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7K3e5bg2JYou for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fncnmp03.fnc.fujitsu.com (fncnmp03.fnc.fujitsu.com [168.127.0.56]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033703A6A94 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:13:11 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,319,1297058400"; d="scan'208,217";a="446745177" Received: from rchemxp01.fnc.net.local ([168.127.134.111]) by fncnmp01.fnc.fujitsu.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2011 20:14:35 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBE2AE.59248489" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:14:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1226C8AA29D73A4285063159ECADE0D62ED9D4@rchemxp01.fnc.net.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt Thread-Index: AcvirliLGsAvN8OMSd+HVDSMJ/HsjAAAACb6 From: "Pickering, Ladan" To: Subject: [CCAMP] Out of Office AutoReply: FW: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:13:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBE2AE.59248489 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will be out of the office 3-14-11 through 3-18-11. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01CBE2AE.59248489-- From rrao@infinera.com Mon Mar 14 18:15:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270FE3A68AC for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GWiq6zZTVaWC for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing2.infinera.com (outgoing2.infinera.com [8.4.225.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423FE3A6B9F for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SV-EXDB1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.31]) by sv-exhub2.infinera.com ([10.100.97.37]) with mapi; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:17:06 -0700 From: Rajan Rao To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:17:04 -0700 Thread-Topic: I-D Action:draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01.txt Thread-Index: AcvigI2Qkb1hBrz/S3mdAE5qfvm//gADOURQAAg+d5A= Message-ID: <35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C54AA@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> References: <20110314194501.5173.16571.idtracker@localhost> <89F90D43540BB04BB165F3932DA603BA14C360824B@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> In-Reply-To: <89F90D43540BB04BB165F3932DA603BA14C360824B@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:15:43 -0000 Hi, We have submitted updates to the following draft. Please review & comment. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01 Thanks Authors -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:45 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : Signaling Extensions for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Contro= l of G.709 Optical Transport Networks Author(s) : K. Pithewan, et al. Filename : draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2011-03-14 As OTN network capabilities continue to evolve, there is an increased need = to support GMPLS control for the same. [RFC4328] introduced GMPLS signaling= extensions for supporting early version of G.709 [G.709-v1].The basic rout= ing considerations from signaling perspective is also specified in [RFC4328= ]. The recent revision of ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G.709-v3] and [GSUP.43] = have introduced new ODU containers (both fixed and flexible) and additional ODU multiplexing capabilities, enabling support fo= r optimal service aggregation. This document extends [RFC4328] to provide GMPLS signaling support for the = new OTN capabilities defined in [G.709-v3] and [GSUP.43]. The signaling ext= ensions described in this document caters to ODU layer switching only. Opti= cal Channel Layer switching considerations in [RFC4328] are not modified in= this document. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g70= 9-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementa= tion to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From zhangfatai@huawei.com Tue Mar 15 02:06:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9B43A6BC3 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:06:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.683 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.683 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.176, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id alJ1AyjLHeXs for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69613A6BB8 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 02:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga05-in [172.24.2.49]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LI3000ZUD9XK8@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:05:58 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LI30082ID9X4X@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:05:57 +0800 (CST) Received: from z41162a ([10.70.76.157]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0LI300B5SD9XUI@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:05:57 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:05:56 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: CCAMP Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_voqZLln/wvwNUWsB+XrbEQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] New draft: Applicability of GMPLS UNI X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:06:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_voqZLln/wvwNUWsB+XrbEQ) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gFhYSnENbAue0zoeqOvuFA)" --Boundary_(ID_gFhYSnENbAue0zoeqOvuFA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all, Sorry for forgetting to attach the draft. draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app Thanks Fatai Huawei Technologies Co., LTD. Huawei Base, Bantian, Longgang, Shenzhen 518129 P.R.China Tel: +86-755-28972912 Fax: +86-755-28972935 ----- Original Message ----- From: Fatai Zhang To: CCAMP Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:01 AM Subject: [CCAMP] New draft: Applicability of GMPLS UNI Hi CCAMPers, A new draft has been uploaded, which is about Applicability of GMPLS UNI. This document examines a number of GMPLS UNI application scenarios including UNI addressing, discovery, path computation, recovery, UNI Call and multicast over UNI. It also shows how techniques can be applied to automate or enable critical processes for these applications. We would like to request your review and comments. Thanks Fatai Huawei Technologies Co., LTD. 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Gonzalez de Dios Telefonica Investigacion y Desarrollo D. Ceccarelli Ericsson G. Bernstein Grotto Networking A. Farrel Old Dog Consulting Expires: September 14, 2011 March 14, 2011 Applicability of Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) User-Network Interface (UNI) draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt Status of this Memo This Internet-Draft is submitted to IETF in full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. This Internet-Draft will expire on September 14, 2011. Abstract Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) defines a series of protocols for the creation of Label Switched Paths (LSPs) in various switching technologies. The GMPLS User-Network Interface (UNI) was Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 1] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 developed in RFC4208 in order to be applied to an overlay network architectural model. This document examines a number of GMPLS UNI application scenarios. It shows how techniques developed after the GMPLS UNI can be applied to automate or enable critical processes for these applications. This document also suggested simple extensions to existing technologies to further enable the UNI and points out some existing unresolved issues. Conventions used in this document The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. Table of Contents 1. Introduction .................................................. 3 2. UNI Addressing ................................................ 5 3. UNI Auto Discovery ............................................ 6 4. UNI Path Computation .......................................... 7 4.1. UNI Link Selection ....................................... 7 5. UNI Path Provisioning ......................................... 9 5.1. Flat Model .............................................. 10 5.2. Stitching Model ......................................... 10 5.3. Session Shuffling Model ................................. 11 5.4. Hierarchy Model ......................................... 11 6. UNI Recovery ................................................. 12 6.1. End-to-end Recovery ..................................... 12 6.1.1. Serial Provisioning of Working & Protection Path ... 12 6.1.2. Concurrent Computation of Working & Protection Path. 13 6.2. Segment Recovery ........................................ 13 7. UNI Call ..................................................... 14 7.1. Exchange of UNI Link Information ........................ 15 7.2. Control of Call Route ................................... 15 8. UNI Multicast ................................................ 16 8.1. UNI Multicast Connection Model .......................... 16 8.2. UNI Multicast Connection Provisioning ................... 17 9. Security Considerations ...................................... 18 10. IANA Considerations ......................................... 18 11. Acknowledgments ............................................. 19 12. References .................................................. 19 12.1. Normative References ................................... 19 Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 2] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 12.2. Informative References ................................. 21 13. Authors' Addresses .......................................... 22 1. Introduction Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) defines a series of protocols, including Open Shortest Path Fist - Traffic Engineering (OSPF-TE) [RFC4203] and Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) [RFC3473], which can be used to create Label Switched Paths (LSPs) in a number of deployment scenarios with various transport technologies. The User-Network Interface (UNI) reference point is defined in the Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) [G.8080]. According to [G.8080], the UNI may be implemented as a peering between a client- side entity (UNI-C) and a network-side entity (UNI-N). End-to-end connectivity between UNI-C nodes is achieved across the core network by three components: a UNI request from source UNI-C to source UNI-N; a core network connection from source UNI-N to destination UNI-N; and a UNI request from destination UNI-N to destination UNI-C. The GMPLS overlay model, as per [RFC4208], can be applied at the UNI, as shown in Figure 1. Overlay Overlay Network +----------------------------------+ Network +---------+ | | +---------+ | +----+ | | +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ | | +----+ | | | | | UNI | | | | | | | | UNI | | | | | -+ EN1+-+-----+--+ CN1 +----+ CN2 +----+ CN3 +---+-----+-+ EN3+- | | | | | +--+--+ | | | | | | | | | | | +----+ | | | +--+--+ +--+--+ +--+--+ | | +----+ | +---------+ | | | | | | +---------+ | | | | | | +---------+ | | +--+--+ | +--+--+ | +---------+ | +----+ | | | | | +-------+ | | | +----+ | | | +-+--+ | | CN4 +---------------+ CN5 | | | | | | | -+ EN2+-+-----+--+ | | +---+-----+-+ EN4+- | | | | | UNI | +-----+ +-----+ | UNI | | | | | +----+ | | | | +----+ | +---------+ +----------------------------------+ +---------+ Overlay Core Network Overlay Network Network Figure 1 - Applying GMPLS overlay model at UNI Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 3] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 In Figure 1, assume that there is an end-to-end UNI connection passing through EN1-CN1-CN2-CN3-EN3. For convenience, some terms used in this document are defined below: - "source EN" refers to the edge-node who initiates the connection (e.g., EN1); - "destination EN" refers to the edge-node where the connection is terminated (e.g., EN3); - "ingress CN" refers to the core-node to which the source EN is attached (e.g., CN1); - "egress CN" refers to the core-node to which the destination EN is attached (e.g., CN3). [RFC4208] provides mechanisms for UNI signaling, which are compatible with GMPLS RSVP-TE signaling ([RFC3471] and [RFC3473]). A single end- to-end RSVP session between source EN and destination EN is used for the user connection, just as it would be for connection creation between two core nodes. However, when considering the isolation of topology information between core network and the overlay network, additional processing of the RSVP-TE Explicit Route Object (ERO) and Record Route Object (RRO) is required. For example, the ingress CN should verify the ERO it received against its topology database before forwarding the PATH message. And the ingress/egress CN may edit or remove the RRO in order to hide the path segment used inside the core network from the EN. The UNI can be used in many application scenarios. For example, in a multi-layer network [RFC6001], the interface between client layer node and server layer node can be seen as a UNI. Or, when deploying VPN services such as Layer One Virtual Private Networks (L1VPNs) [RFC4847], [RFC5253], users can connect to a service provider network via a UNI. This document examines a number of current and future GMPLS application scenarios. It shows how techniques developed after the GMPLS UNI was developed can be used to automate or enable critical aspects of these application scenarios. It points out some potential technology extensions that could improve UNI operation, and highlights some existing unresolved issues. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 4] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 2. UNI Addressing In [RFC4208], the GMPLS overlay model is applied at the UNI reference point, and it is required that the edge-node and its attached core- node of the overlay network share the same address space that is used by GMPLS to signal between the edge-nodes across the core network. Under this condition, the user connection can be created using a single end-to-end RSVP session, which is consistent with the RSVP model. Therefore, RSVP-TE defined in [RFC3473] can be used for support GMPLS UNI without any extensions. However, in the practical deployment of GMPLS UNI, the requirement of sharing the same address space between EN and its attached CN may not be satisfied if the core network and the overlay network are designed and deployed separately, especially if the two networks belong to different carriers. For example, the core network may use IPv6 addresses, while the overlay network uses IPv4 addresses. Or, since the core network is a closed system, the assignment of the IP addresses of the CNs is independent of other IP addresses outside the core network. This implies that the nodes in the core network may use addresses which collide with the edge nodes in the overlay network. Thus, the addressing deployment for the GMPLS UNI can be divided into three scenarios: 1. Overlay network and core network share a common addressing policy. As noted above, there are many situations where this may be impractical, but it might be quite feasible in a multi-layer network operated by a single carrier. In this scenario, end-to-end UNI connectivity may use a single RSVP session, and the core routing information (assuming it is shared and not stripped for confidentiality reasons) will be meaningful to the ENs. Note, however, that the overlay model examined by this document assumes that there is some separation between the overlay and core networks, and this might mean that the overlay network is not able to see the topology or routing information of the core network even when they share a common address space. 2. ENs have visibility into the core network, but overlay and core networks have different address spaces. This is the more common model envisaged by [RFC4208] and for basic mode L1VPN deployments ([RFC5251]), and the previous scenario can be seen to be a special case of this scenario where the two address spaces are complementary. In this deployment, the source EN is aware of the addresses for itself, the ingress CN, the egress CN, and the destination EN in the address space of the core network. It may also have full visibility into the core network, but this is not a Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 5] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 requirement. In this scenario, the ENs are responsible for performing address mapping between the overlay network's addresses for the ENs, and the core network's addresses for the same nodes. Additionally, the source EN must use core network addresses to identify the CNs. In this deployment, a single end-to-end RSVP-TE session can still be utilized from source EN to destination EN. 3. ENs do not have any knowledge of the core address space and has no visibility into the core network. The source EN must still know an address for the ingress CN, but in this scenario, the EN uses an overlay address to reach the CN and to identify the destination EN. The ingress CN is responsible for mapping addresses to the core address space and for filling in any additional routing information. In this deployment the end-to-end connectivity must be created either using "session stitching" (see Section 5.2) or "session shuffling" (see Section 5.3). 3. UNI Auto Discovery When the end-to-end connection is set up across the core network it must be targeted at the destination CN so that it can be extended to the destination EN. This means that either the source EN must know the identity of the destination CN to which the destination EN is attached, or the source CN must know this information. This requires some form of "discovery" (possibly including configuration), and depending on the addressing scheme in use (see Section 2) will require address mapping to be performed by the source EN or the source CN. The discovery problem may be exacerbated when the a variety of services may be requested since the source EN will need to know the capabilities and available resources on the link between the destination CN and the destination EN. It could discover this by attempting to set up a connection and by drawing conclusions from the connection setup failures, but this is not efficient. Furthermore, in the case of a dual-homed destination EN (such as EN2 in Figure 1), a choice of destination CN must be made, and that choice may be influenced by the capabilities and available resources on the CN-EN links leading to the destination EN. If the UNI is applied in L1VPN scenario, the auto discovery of UNI using OSPFv2 is provided in [RFC5252]. A new L1VPN LSA is introduced to advertise the L1VPN information via the L1VPN info TLV and the TE information of the CE-PE link (in the language of UNI, it's the EN-CN link) via the TE link TLV. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 6] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 4. UNI Path Computation End-to-end UNI path computation includes three parts: the selection of the source UNI link, the path computation inside the core network and the selection of the destination UNI link. The selection of UNI links may not necessary in some scenarios. One example is in case of single-homing with only one UNI link between EN and CN, and another example is manual selection of UNI link when the service is requested. In such cases, the CN to which the source EN is attached, or the path Computation Element (PCE) ([RFC4655]) which is responsible for the core network, can perform the path computation across the core network when the UNI signaling request is sent from the source EN to the source CN. 4.1. UNI Link Selection This document is specific to the overlay architectural model to the source EN which does not have the topology and TE information of the core network. Therefore, in the case of multi-homing (i.e., the source EN is connected to more than one CN), the source EN does not have enough information to make a correct choice among all the UNI links between itself and the core network for an optimal end-to-end connection. In this case, a PCE whose computation domain covers both the core network and the ENs attached to it can be used. Note that the GMPLS UNI predates PCE and hence a PCE was not available to solve this problem in early GMPLS UNI deployments. The PCE can use the UNI discovery mechanism described in Section 3 to learn the EN-CN relationship and the TE information of the UNI links, and therefore has the ability to select the optimal UNI link for the connection. Figure 2 shows an example of UNI path computation using a single PCE with visibility into both networks. The PCE can help the source EN to compute the end-to-end connection when the UNI path computation request is received, so that the source EN can learn which UNI link to be selected. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 7] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 1) PCReq: EN1-EN2 +-----+ +------------------------>| | | | PCE | | +----------------------| | | | +-----+ | | 2) PCRep: EN1-CN4-CN5-CN6-EN2 | | | | +----------------------------------+ | | | Core Network | | | | +----+ +----+ +----+ | | V +----+--+ CN1+------+ CN2+------+ CN3+--+----+ +----+ | | +--+-+ +--+-+ +--+-+ | | +----+ | +--+ | | | | | +--+ | | EN1| UNI | | | | | UNI | EN2| | +--+ | | | | | +--+ | +----+ | | +--+-+ +--+-+ +--+-+ | | +----+ +----+--+ CN4+------+ CN5+------+ CN6+--+----+ ---------> | +----+ +----+ +----+ | 3) Signaling +----------------------------------+ Figure 2 - PCE for UNI path computation (1) Alternatively, the path can be computed by cooperating PCEs, as shown in Figure 3. The source EN does not experience any difference in behavior in that it sends its computation request to its local PCE, and receives a response telling it what path to use. However, the local PCE may not be aware of the topology of the core network and may need to contact a second PCE to supply the missing information. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 8] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 +-----+ +-----+ | |---------------->| | | PCE1| 2) BRPC | PCE2| | |<----------------| | +-----+ +-----+ ^ | 1) | |3) PCRep: EN1-CN4-CN5-CN6-EN2 PCReq:| | +------------------------------+ EN1-EN2| | | Core Network | | | | +----+ +----+ +----+ | | V +----+--+ CN1+----+ CN2+----+ CN3+--+----+ +----+ | | +--+-+ +--+-+ +--+-+ | | +----+ | +--+ | | | | | +--+ | | EN1| UNI | | | | | UNI | EN2| | +--+ | | | | | +--+ | +----+ | | +--+-+ +--+-+ +--+-+ | | +----+ +----+--+ CN4+----+ CN5+----+ CN6+--+----+ ---------> | +----+ +----+ +----+ | 4) Signaling +------------------------------+ (BRPC: Backward-Recursive PCE-Based Computation, see [RFC5441]) Figure 3 - PCE for UNI path computation (2) If confidentiality of the topology within the core network needs to be preserved, the Path Key Subobject (PKS) can be used for either approach outlined here (see [RFC5520] and [RFC5553]). In the PCRep message returned to EN1, the Confidential Path Segment (CPS) (i.e., CN4-CN5-CN6) is encoded as a PKS by the PCE. Therefore, the EN1 only learns the selected UNI link from PCE. When receiving the UNI signaling carrying the PKS from EN1, CN4 can request the PCE to decode the PKS and then continue to create the connection. Note that in both cases the PCE should be visible to the ENs and there should be control channel between PCE and EN for the transmission of PCEP messages. An alternative implementation could be that the PCE is located inside each CN to which the source EN is attached, so that the source EN can use the UNI control channel to send and receive the PCEP messages. 5. UNI Path Provisioning The basic GMPLS UNI application is to provide end-to-end connections between edge-nodes through a core network via the overlay model. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 9] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 5.1. Flat Model The edge-nodes may have the same switching capability and switching capacity as the nodes in the core network. In this case, one single end-to-end RSVP session through the edge-nodes and a series of core- nodes can be used to create the connection, which forms a flat LSP model, as shown in Figure 4. +----------------------------------+ | Core Network | +----+ UNI | +----+ +----+ +----+ | UNI +----+ | EN +-------+--+ CN +------+ CN +------+ CN +--+-------+ EN | +----+ | +----+ +----+ +----+ | +----+ | | | | | +----------------------------------+ | | | |<------------- End-to-end RSVP Session -------------->| | | Figure 4 - Flat model If the edge-nodes and their attached core-nodes share the same address space, the GMPLS signaling described in [RFC3471], [RFC3473] and other related standards, with special ERO and RRO processing as described in [RFC4208], can be used to create a connection. 5.2. Stitching Model Alternatively, the stitching mechanism described in [RFC5150] can be used to create an LSP segment (S-LSP) between the ingress and the egress CN, and to stitch the end-to-end UNI connection to the created S-LSP, as shown in Figure 5. +----------------------------------+ | Core Network | +----+ UNI | +----+ +----+ +----+ | UNI +----+ | EN +-------+--+ CN +------+ CN +------+ CN +--+-------+ EN | +----+ | +----+ +----+ +----+ | +----+ | | | | | | | +----+------------------------+----+ | | | | | | |<-LSP Segment (S-LSP)-->| | | | |<------------- End-to-end RSVP Session -------------->| | | Figure 5 - Stitching model Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 10] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 5.3. Session Shuffling Model The session shuffling approach ([RFC5251]) is a hybrid of the flat model and the stitching model described in the previous two sections. In this approach a single end-to-end session is established, but as the signaling messages pass through the ingress and egress CNs, address mapping is performed on all addresses carried by the messages to place the addresses into the correct address spaces. The ERO and RRO would normally be stripped (as previously discussed) but the important session identifiers (the source and destination addresses) are changed giving the impression that the session identifiers have been changed. 5.4. Hierarchy Model In case that the ENs and the CNs have the same switching capability, a tunnel between the ingress and egress core-nodes can be provisioned. The tunnel may have a larger capacity than the end-to-end UNI connection, which may depend on the policies configured at the ingress of the core network. The end-to-end connection can be nested into the tunnel, which forms the LSP hierarchy. Another case is that the edge-nodes have different switching capabilities with the core network. In such a case, the LSP hierarchy model should also be used. +----------------------------------+ | Core Network | +----+ UNI | +----+ +----+ +----+ | UNI +----+ | EN +-------+--+ CN +======+ CN +======+ CN +--+-------+ EN | +----+ | +----+ +----+ +----+ | +----+ | | | | | | | +----+------------------------+----+ | | | | | | |<-Core Network Tunnel-->| | | | |<------------- End-to-end RSVP Session -------------->| | | Figure 6 - Hierarchy model In the hierarchy model, the end-to-end connection can be divided into three hops: one for each UNI link and one hop across the core network. The core network tunnel can be pre-provisioned via network planning, or triggered by the UNI signal. For the latter case, the [RFC5212], [RFC6001] and other multi-layer network related standards are possible to be used to create the hierarchical LSP. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 11] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 6. UNI Recovery One of the significant uses of GMPLS is to provide recovery mechanisms for connections, which is also needed in many UNI scenarios. 6.1. End-to-end Recovery In the case of multi-homing, UNI end-to-end recovery is possible. As shown in Figure 7, the working path (W) and the protection path (P) are disjoint from each other not only inside the core network, but also at both the source and destination sides of the UNI. Mechanisms need to be provided to ensure the selection of disjoint working and backup paths. +----------------------------------+ | Core Network | W | +----+ +----+ +----+ | +----+--+ CN +------+ CN +------+ CN +--+----+ +----+ | | +----+ +----+ +----+ | | +----+ | +--+ | | +--+ | | EN | UNI | | UNI | EN | | +--+ | | +--+ | +----+ | | +----+ +----+ +----+ | | +----+ +----+--+ CN +------+ CN +------+ CN +--+----+ P | +----+ +----+ +----+ | +----------------------------------+ Figure 7 - UNI end-to-end recovery 6.1.1. Serial Provisioning of Working & Protection Path In the case that the working path is computed and created before the protection path, path computation needs to compute a disjoint (or maximally disjoint) protection path given this existing working path. If the information concerning the working path segment traversing the core network is known by the EN without considering the confidentiality, then the EN can easily use the RRO to collect the working path information, and use the XRO to exclude the working path when creating the protection path, as described in [RFC4874]. But in most cases, in order to preserve the confidentiality of topology within the core network, the information of path segment traversing the core network should be hidden from the EN. In such Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 12] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 case, the RRO & XRO mechanism in [RFC4874] cannot be used. An alternative would be to only collect the Shared Risk Group (SRG) information but not the full path information. This is because the SRG information is normally less confidential than the information of node ID and link ID. In an application scenario where a PCE is involved inside the core network, then the Path Key mechanism can be used. The confidential path segment, i.e., the working path segment traversing the core network, is encoded as a PKS by the PCE when computing the working path. This PKS can be brought to the source EN, so when it request that the PCE compute a protection path, the PKS can be used to exclude the working path segment inside the core network. [RFC5520] provides a mechanism to hide the CPS using PKS in the PCEP message, while [RFC5553] makes extensions to RSVP-TE to carry the PKS in ERO and RRO objects. It is required that the PKS should also be allowed to be carried in the XRO in both PCEP message and RSVP-TE signaling. 6.1.2. Concurrent Computation of Working & Protection Path Alternatively, the working and protection path can be computed at the same time (e.g., by PCE or by one of the CNs to which the source EN is attached). [PCE-GMPLS] allows requesting the PCE for path computation with specified protection type defined in [RFC4872]. Therefore, it's possible that the source EN requests the edge CN or PCE to compute both the working and the protection path at the same time. At this time, the disjunction problem can be resolved inside the path computation server. Same as described in the previous section, the path segment traversing the core network can be encoded as a PKS if confidentiality is requested. 6.2. Segment Recovery The UNI connection may only request protection inside the core network, especially in case of single-homing. One UNI segment protection example is shown in Figure 8. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 13] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 +--------------------------------------+ | Core Network | | W +----+ +----+ | | +--+ CN +--+ CN +--+ | +----+ | +----+ | +----+ +----+ | +----+ | +----+ | | | | +--+ +--+ | | | | | EN +-----+-+ CN | | CN +-+-----+ EN | | | UNI | | +--+ +--+ | | UNI | | +----+ | +----+ | +----+ +----+ | +----+ | +----+ | +--+ CN +--+ CN +--+ | | P +----+ +----+ | +--------------------------------------+ Figure 8 - UNI segment recovery [RFC4873] provides the mechanism of segment recovery, in which the PROTECTION Object is extended to indicate the segment recovery, and the SERO object is introduced for the explicit control of the protection LSP between the branch node and the merge node. However, due to the overlay model, the source EN may not have the information concerning the CN to which the destination EN is attached. In other words, the source EN does not know which node is the merge node of the UNI segment protection, so the SERO object cannot be used to request the edge CN for the UNI segment recovery. Therefore, segment recovery may not be controlled explicitly by the source EN. 7. UNI Call The Call is a fundamental component of the ASON model [G.8080]. It is used to maintain the association between one or more user applications and the network to control the set-up, release, modification and maintenance of sets of connections. In simple cases, the Call and Connection can be established at the same time and in a strict one-to-one ratio. In this case, Call signaling is simple and requires only minor extensions to connection signaling. However, if Calls are to be handled separately from Connections, or if more than one Connection can be associated with a single Call, additional Call signaling is required. The GMPLS Call, defined in [RFC4974], provides a mechanism to negotiate agreement between endpoints possibly in cooperation with the nodes that provide access to the network. Typically the GMPLS Call can be applied in the UNI scenario for access link capability exchange, policy, authorization, security, and so on. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 14] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 7.1. Exchange of UNI Link Information It is possible that the TE attributes of the access link (i.e., the UNI link) are not shared across the core network. So the source EN may not have the TE information of the destination access link as well as the capability of the destination EN. For example, in case of TDM network, the Virtual Concatenation (VCAT) and Link Capacity Adjustment Scheme (LCAS) capability of the destination EN may not be known. In this case, the source EN can raise a Call carrying the LINK_CAPABILITY object to have a capability exchange with the destination EN, as described in [RFC4974]. 7.2. Control of Call Route When applying the Call, it's possible that there are multiple core network domains between the source EN (Call initiator) and the destination EN (Call terminator), or there is more than one Call manager in the core network (e.g., in the multi-homing scenario where the CNs to which the ENs are attached act as the Call managers). In the both cases, when establishing the Call, there may be multiple alternative routes for the Call message to reach the destination EN. One can simply use the hop-by-hop manner (i.e., each Call manager determines the next Call manager to which the Call message will be sent by itself) to control the path of the Call. However, in the practical deployment of UNI Call, commercial and policy motivations normally play an important role in selecting the Call route, especially in the multi-domain scenario. In this case, the hop-by-hop manner is not practical because the route of the Call needs to be pre-determined in consideration of commercial and policy factors before establishing the Call. Therefore, it is desirable to allow full control of the Call by the source EN. That is, the source EN can identify the full Call route and signal it explicitly, so that the Call message can be forwarded along the desired route. Moreover, the management plane needs to be able to identify the Call route explicitly as an instruction to the source EN. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 15] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 8. UNI Multicast Data plane multicasting is supported in the existing Traffic- Engineering networks. GMPLS provides extensions to the RSVP-TE to support provisioning of point-to-multipoint (P2MP) TE LSPs via control plane, as described in [RFC4461] and [RFC4875]. In the scenarios where the overlay architectural model is used, it's a requirement to transport signals from one source EN to multiple destination ENs which are located in other overlay networks. One could create multiple point-to-point connections between the source EN and each destination EN, but it will be a waste of bandwidth resource of both UNI links and the core network. Therefore, there are some scenarios required to support point-to- multipoint (P2MP) TE LSPs from one source EN to multiple leaf ENs. 8.1. UNI Multicast Connection Model There are two cases for the UNI multicast. For the first case, only the ingress and egress CNs in the core network support the multicast. The core network has to provide multiple P2P connections between ingress CN and each egress CN for the end-to-end UNI multicast, as shown in Figure 9. +----------------------------------------+ | Core Network | | +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ |UNI +---+ +---+ UNI| | +--------+-----+-------+ +--+----+EN2| |EN1+----+--+ CN1 +--------+-\CN2| | CN3 | | +---+ +---+ | | +--------+\ \ | | | | Leaf A Source | +-----+ +-+-+-+ +-----+ | | | | | | +-+-+-+ +-----+ |UNI +---+ | | | \+-------+ +--+----+EN3| | | |CN4| | CN5 | | +---+ | +-+---+ +-----+ | Leaf B | | | | +-+---+ +-----+ |UNI +---+ | | \---+-------+ +--+----+EN4| | | CN6 | | CN7 | | +---+ | +-----+ +-----+ | Leaf C +----------------------------------------+ Figure 9 - Only ingress/egress CNs support multicast Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 16] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 For example, in the PSC over TDM multi-layer scenario, the ingress/egress CNs may have the packet multicast capability and therefore can adapt the packets from EN into multiple TDM connections inside the core network, while other CNs inside the core network may only support point-to-point (P2P) TDM connections. In another case, all the CNs in the core network can support multicast, so that the core network can create a P2MP LSP to provide the end-to-end UNI multicast, as shown in Figure 10. +----------------------------------------+ | Core Network | | +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ |UNI +---+ +---+ UNI| | +--------+-+-->+-------+ +--+----+EN2| |EN1+----+--+ CN1 | | |CN2| | CN3 | | +---+ +---+ | +-----+ +-V---+ +-----+ | Leaf A Source | | | | +-+---+ +-----+ |UNI +---+ | | +-->+-------+ +--+----+EN3| | | |CN4| | CN5 | | +---+ | +-V---+ +-----+ | Leaf B | | | | +-+---+ +-----+ |UNI +---+ | | \-->+-------+ +--+----+EN4| | | CN6 | | CN7 | | +---+ | +-----+ +-----+ | Leaf C +----------------------------------------+ Figure 10 - All CNs support multicast For example, in the Ethernet over OTN scenario, if the core network can support ODU0 multicast, then an ODU0 P2MP LSP can be created inside the core network to carry the client Gigabit Ethernet (GE) signal for the ENs. Note that the branching of the multicast may also happen at the source EN in the multi-homing scenario. In this case, each branch of the source EN uses a separate UNI link connecting the source EN to the core network. For each UNI branch, the connection model inside the core network is the same as described in this section. 8.2. UNI Multicast Connection Provisioning The four UNI connection provisioning models, as described in Section 5, should also be applied in the UNI multicast scenario. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 17] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 For the flat model, one end-to-end P2MP session as described in [RFC4875] can be used directly to create the P2MP LSP from source EN to leaf ENs. For the stitching model, multiple P2P LSP segments or one P2MP LSP segment between the ingress CN and each egress CNs needs to be created and then stitched to the UNI P2MP LSP. GMPLS UNI signaling should have the capability to convey the multicast information by using stitching model. For the session shuffling model, one end-to-end P2MP session can be used to create the P2MP LSP, with an address mapping performed at both ingress and egress CNs. For the hierarchy model, multiple P2P LSP tunnels or one P2MP LSP tunnel between the ingress CN and each egress CNs needs be triggered by the UNI signaling for creating P2MP LSP. GMPLS UNI signaling should have the capability to convey the multicast information by using hierarchy model. 9. Security Considerations [RFC5920] provides an overview of security vulnerabilities and protection mechanisms for the GMPLS control plane, which is applicable to this document. The details of the specific security measures of the overlay network architectural model are provided in [RFC4208], which permits the core network to filter out specific RSVP objects to hide its topology from the EN. Furthermore, if PCE is used, the security issues described in [RFC4655] and other related standards should also be considered. Additionally, when the PKS mechanism is applied, the security issues can be dealt with using [RFC5520] and [RFC5553]. 10. IANA Considerations This informational document does not make any requests for IANA action. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 18] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 11. Acknowledgments TBD. 12. References 12.1. Normative References [RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997. [RFC3209] D. Awduche et al, "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for LSP Tunnels", RFC3209, December 2001. [RFC3471] Berger, L., Ed., "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Functional Description", RFC 3471, January 2003. [RFC3473] L. Berger, Ed., "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Extensions", RFC 3473, January 2003. [RFC3945] Mannie, E., "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Architecture", RFC 3945, October 2004. [RFC4203] Kompella, K., and Rekhter, Y., "OSPF Extensions in Support of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)", RFC 4203, October 2005. [RFC4206] K. Kompella et al, "Label Switched Paths (LSP) Hierarchy with Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE)", RFC4206, October 2005. [RFC4208] G. Swallow et al, "Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) User-Network Interface (UNI): Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Support for the Overlay Model", RFC4208, October 2005. [RFC4655] A. Farrel et al, "A Path Computation Element (PCE)-Based Architecture", RFC4655, August 2006. [RFC4847] T. Takeda, Ed., "Framework and Requirements for Layer 1 Virtual Private Networks", RFC4847, April 2007. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 19] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 [RFC4872] J.P. Lang et al, "RSVP-TE Extensions in Support of End- to-End Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Recovery", RFC4872, May 2007. [RFC4873] L. Berger et al, "GMPLS Segment Recovery", RFC4873, May 2007. [RFC4874] CY. Lee et al, "Exclude Routes - Extension to Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE)", RFC4874, April 2007. [RFC4875] R. Aggarwal et al, "Extensions to Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) for Point-to- Multipoint TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs)", RFC4875, May 2007. [RFC4974] D. Papadimitriou and A. Farrel, Ed., "Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) RSVP-TE Signaling Extensions in Support of Calls", RFC4974, August 2007. [RFC5150] A. Ayyangar et al, "Label Switched Path Stitching with Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching Traffic Engineering (GMPLS TE)", RFC5150, February 2008. [RFC5251] D. Fedyk and Y. Rekhter, Ed., "Layer 1 VPN Basic Mode", RFC5251, July 2008. [RFC5252] I. Bryskin and L. Berger Ed., "OSPF-Based Layer 1 VPN Auto-Discovery", RFC5252, July 2008. [RFC5520] R. Bradford, Ed., "Preserving Topology Confidentiality in Inter-Domain Path Computation Using a Path-Key-Based Mechanism", RFC5520, April 2009. [RFC5553] A. Farrel, Ed., "Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP) Extensions for Path Key Support", RFC5553, May 2009. [RFC6001] Dimitri Papadimitriou et al, "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Protocol Extensions for Multi- Layer and Multi-Region Networks (MLN/MRN)", RFC6001, October, 2010. [RFC6107] K. Shiomoto, A. Farrel, "Procedures for Dynamically Signaled Hierarchical Label Switched Paths", RFC6107, February 2011. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 20] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 [G.8080] ITU-T Rec. G.8080/Y.1304, "Architecture for the Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON)," June 2006 (and Amend.2, September 2010). 12.2. Informative References [RFC4461] S. Yasukawa, Ed., "Signaling Requirements for Point-to- Multipoint Traffic-Engineered MPLS Label Switched Paths (LSPs)", RFC4461, April 2006. [RFC5212] K. Shiomoto et al, "Requirements for GMPLS-Based Multi- Region and Multi-Layer Networks (MRN/MLN)", RFC5212, July 2008. [RFC5253] T. Takeda, Ed., "Applicability Statement for Layer 1 Virtual Private Network (L1VPN) Basic Mode", RFC 5253, July 2008. [RFC5339] JL. Le Roux et al, "Evaluation of Existing GMPLS Protocols against Multi-Layer and Multi-Region Networks (MLN/MRN)", RFC5339, September 2008. [RFC5441] JP. Vasseur et al, "A Backward-Recursive PCE-Based Computation (BRPC) Procedure to Compute Shortest Constrained Inter-Domain Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths", RFC5441, April 2009. [RFC5623] Oki, E., Takeda, T., Le Roux, J.L., and Farrel, A., "Framework for PCE-Based Inter-Layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering", RFC 5623, September 2009. [RFC5920] L. Fang, Ed., "Security Framework for MPLS and GMPLS Networks", RFC5920, July 2010. [Call-ext] Fatai Zhang et al, "RSVP-TE extensions to GMPLS Calls", draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-call-extensions-01.txt, July 08, 2009. [PCE-GMPLS] C. Margaria et al, "PCEP extensions for GMPLS", draft- ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-01.txt, October 24, 2010 [SRLG-FA] Fatai Zhang et al, "RSVP-TE Extensions for Configuration SRLG of an FA", draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration- 01.txt, October 20, 2010. Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 21] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 [VCAT] G. Bernstein et al, "Operating Virtual Concatenation (VCAT) and the Link Capacity Adjustment Scheme (LCAS) with Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)", draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-vcat-lcas-11.txt, March 9, 2011. 13. Authors' Addresses Fatai Zhang Huawei Technologies F3-5-B R&D Center, Huawei Base Bantian, Longgang District Shenzhen 518129 P.R.China Phone: +86-755-28972912 Email: zhangfatai@huawei.com Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Telefonica Investigacion y Desarrollo Emilio Vargas 6 Madrid, 28045 Spain Phone: +34 913374013 Email: ogondio@tid.es Daniele Ceccarelli Ericsson Via A. Negrone 1/A Genova - Sestri Ponente Italy Email: daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Greg M. Bernstein Grotto Networking Fremont California, USA Phone: (510) 573-2237 Email: gregb@grotto-networking.com Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 22] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 Adrian Farrel Old Dog Consulting EMail: adrian@olddog.co.uk Yi Lin Huawei Technologies F3-5-B R&D Center, Huawei Base Bantian, Longgang District Shenzhen 518129 P.R.China Phone: +86-755-28972914 Email: yi.lin@huawei.com Young Lee Huawei Technologies 1700 Alma Drive, Suite 100 Plano, TX 75075 USA Phone: (972) 509-5599 (x2240) Email: leeyoung@huawei.com Dan Li Huawei Technologies F3-5-B R&D Center, Huawei Base Bantian, Longgang District Shenzhen 518129 P.R.China Phone: +86-755-28973237 Email: huawei.danli@huawei.com Intellectual Property The IETF Trust takes no position regarding the validity or scope of any Intellectual Property Rights or other rights that might be claimed to pertain to the implementation or use of the technology described in any IETF Document or the extent to which any license under such rights might or might not be available; nor does it Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 23] draft-zhang-ccamp-gmpls-uni-app-01.txt March 2011 represent that it has made any independent effort to identify any such rights. 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Zhang Expires September 2011 [Page 25] --Boundary_(ID_voqZLln/wvwNUWsB+XrbEQ)-- From jcucchiara@mindspring.com Tue Mar 15 19:56:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4BF3A6BC8; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:56:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GDwAFwJTpqRM; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA6A3A6B5B; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:56:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=K0o5jibtC7Y1gsXhLK1vY7dDhJG7SsCKQ7ycPvJtqq7u9IU3WmbhEkvVJiXL9ywo; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.41.31.146] (helo=JoanPC) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Pzgvb-0004Gm-0i; Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:57:39 -0400 Message-ID: <014201cbe385$e894c310$6501a8c0@JoanPC> From: "Joan Cucchiara" To: "Masanori Miyazawa" , , "'MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)'" , "'Tomohiro Otani'" , , "'Thomas D. Nadeau'" References: <00ce01cbb34d$e6aa1130$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <012b01cbd75c$b36d5100$1a47f300$@jp> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:57:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 4d68bbe9cb71969ea344cf2d1a8e60840a9da525759e2654e838ea6b7b8a5485f5ea5cd4aee64f4708a8bb3e8e732a70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.41.31.146 Cc: "'Dan Romascanu \(E-mail\)'" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:56:15 -0000 Masanori, Thank you for your responses. I have deleted the many items where we have reached agreement and have a couple comments inline below: Thank you, -Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: "'Joan Cucchiara'" ; ; "'MIB Doctors (E-mail)'" ; "'Tomohiro Otani'" ; ; "'Thomas D. Nadeau'" Cc: "'Dan Romascanu (E-mail)'" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: RE: MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 > Hi, Joan > > Thank you for your comments. > In accordance with your comments, I am revising the documents. > Please see our answer to your comments as below and let us know if you > have > any question > > With best regards, > Masanori > > COMMENTS ON MIB MODULE > -------------------------------------------- > > " > > > *) tedInfoStatus object > > I think there is still some confusion about my request for status/state > information. > Obviously, if there are rows in these tables, then > the MIB has been configured by some means other than SNMP, and granted > notifications are sent (unless > they are dropped due to throttling or lost), but what is the Operational > Status > link? > > The RowPointer object, tedLinkInformationData, might provide this > information, however, > the DESCRIPTION clause makes it sound completely optional since it looks > like 0.0 > can be entered under any circumstance, so again, I have to ask, how is an > operator > supposed to know if the TE link is acting as intended? > > If tedLinkInformationData is supposed to provide this, then it needs to be > rewritten to > be mandatory. That means that there are dependencies on other MIBs also. > That is > unclear in this document. > > In summary, tedInfoStatus object does not provide any additional > information, as > I can see if the MIB is populated. What I'm asking for is Operational > Status/State > information. > > > Please discuss. > > "Thank you for your comment. We think the definition of tedInfosStatus in > previous version was wrong, as you indeicated . It took into account only > a > state/status of this MIB itself, not link information. In order to take > into > account the operational status of TE link, we think it is necessary to > create new object such as, for example, "tedLinkState" in tedTable as > shown > below. If you have comments, please let us know. " > > tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX INTEGER { > up(1), > down(2) > } > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " " > ::={ tedEntry X } > I would need to see the DESCRIPTION to fully understand the above object, however, yes, it would seem this object addresses my concerns. > > > *) tedNotificationAreaId and tedNotificationRouterId > > Not sure why these are needed. Couldn't you include > an object from the tedTable (such as tedLinkInformationSource) > rather than have these accessible for Notify objects. Seems like > extra work on all parts and not sure I see the advantage when > you already have this info in a table. > > Please discuss. > > " In version 6 of ted mib, tedAreaId, tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId were > utilzed as the Index of notification because it is useful to treat as the > notification with unique value by using combination of these objects. > But, > it cause some error on SMICngPro as shown below. > Therefore, we decided to > utilize new objects such as tedNotificationAreaId, tedNotificationRouteId > and tedNotificationLinkStateId. We think we want to use tedAreaId, > tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId as the index of notification again. What do > you think?" > Basically, you are looking for a way to get rid of the warnings from the MIB compiler and include the values of the three indices (tedAreaId, tedRouterId, and tedLinkStateId) with the notification. There are two (maybe more) ways to accomplish this: 1) If an object from the tedTable (for example, tedLinkInformationSource) were included in the notification, then the receiver of the notification could parse the OID and extract the values of tedAreaId, tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId (i.e. the indices of this object are included in the OID). 2) Duplicate these index values in accessible-for-notify objects, (or even managed objects). Pros vs. Cons of each way. 1. Pro: The tedTable is already there. Including an object from the table in the notification is relatively straightforward. Con: not sure I see one 2. Pro: ?? Con: duplicating information and slightly more coding, and testing. Anyway, I still don't see a benefit (i.e. "pro" ) for #2. If you could let me know, that would be helpful. It is not incorrect to solve the problem with #2, but I do think that #1 is simpler. Thanks, -Joan From zhangfatai@huawei.com Wed Mar 16 03:05:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120653A6925 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:05:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.288, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vY0K+9QO0Fan for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga04-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A45D3A6922 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LI500D7NANHU9@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:04:30 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0LI500FMFANHJ6@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:04:29 +0800 (CST) Received: from z41162a ([10.70.76.157]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0LI500FOJANHN0@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:04:29 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:04:29 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: Rajan Rao , ccamp@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NW0xDMetluQ/hX3jYSdqDQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C54A9@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:05:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_NW0xDMetluQ/hX3jYSdqDQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Rajan, I have some comments on this draft. (1) Confused Lo ODU Terminology I think you may have some misunderstanding on LO ODU terminology. According to the ITU-T recommendation, a LO ODUj could represent the container transporting a client of the OTN that is either directly mapped into an OTUk (k = j) or multiplexed into a server HO ODUk (k > j) container. For example, 100GE over ODU4, this ODU4 is Lo ODU4, not Ho ODU4. (2) Non-normative signal types When [OTN-FWK] document was discussed quite long time ago, the experts from CCAMP raised that ODU1e, ODU3e1, ODU3e2 are non-normative, which should not be referenced. (3) IMCD advertisement for link CD in Section 6.2 For link CD, it is assumed that it can support OTU2-ODU2-ODU1-ODU0, and in IMCD2, ODU2-ODU1-ODU0 is advertised, why "ODU1-ODU0" should be advertised? Actually, for the link CD, it can not support ODU1->ODU0. In addition, based on your approach, if link CD can support OD4-ODU3-ODU2-ODU1-ODU0 capability, how to advertise this information? (4) In section 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 There is some text to describe "Maximum Bandwidth", however, this parameter is not used in RFC4201. In Section 5.3, it says "Implementations may choose to ignore this attribute and consider per ODU-rate Unreserved Bandwidth defined in Interface Switch Capability Descriptor for "G.709 ODUk" encoding type. " . How about "Maximum Reservable Bandwidth"? (5) In Section 3 In this section, OTU, ODUk, ODUj links are listed, but I don't see much difference between from the descrition in your draft. Could you clarify this? In addtion, could you clarify how these types of links are advertised based on the protocol defined in the next sections of your draft. Thanks Fatai Huawei Technologies Co., LTD. Huawei Base, Bantian, Longgang, Shenzhen 518129 P.R.China Tel: +86-755-28972912 Fax: +86-755-28972935 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajan Rao" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt Hi, We have submitted updates to the following draft. Please review & comment. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03 Thanks Authors -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 4:15 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : OSPF TE Extensions for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Control of G.709 Optical Transport Networks Author(s) : A. Kunjidhapatham, et al. Filename : draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2011-03-14 As OTN network capabilities continue to evolve, there is an increased need to support GMPLS control for the same. [RFC4328] introduced GMPLS signaling extensions for supporting the early version of G.709 [G.709-v1]. The basic routing considerations from signaling perspective is also specified in [RFC4328]. The recent revision of ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G.709-v3] and [GSUP.43] have introduced new ODU containers (both fixed and flexible) and additional ODU multiplexing capabilities, enabling support for optimal service aggregation. This document describes OSPF protocol extensions to support Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) control for routing services over the standardized OTU/ODU containers in support of ODU based TDM switching. Routing support for Optical Channel Layer switching (Lambda switching) is not covered in this document. 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Hi Rajan,
 
I have some comments on this draft.
 
(1) Confused Lo ODU Terminology
 
I think you may have some misunderstanding on LO ODU terminology. According to the ITU-T recommendation, a LO ODUj could represent the container transporting a client of the OTN that is either directly mapped into an OTUk (k = j) or multiplexed into a server HO ODUk (k > j) container. For example, 100GE over ODU4, this ODU4 is Lo ODU4, not Ho ODU4.
 
(2) Non-normative signal types
 
When [OTN-FWK] document was discussed quite long time ago, the experts from CCAMP raised that ODU1e, ODU3e1, ODU3e2 are non-normative, which should not be referenced.
 
(3) IMCD advertisement for link CD in Section 6.2
 
For link CD, it is assumed that it can support OTU2-ODU2-ODU1-ODU0, and in IMCD2, ODU2-ODU1-ODU0 is advertised, why "ODU1-ODU0" should be advertised? Actually, for the link CD, it can not support ODU1->ODU0.
 
In addition, based on your approach, if link CD can support OD4-ODU3-ODU2-ODU1-ODU0 capability, how to advertise this information?
 
(4) In section 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3
 
There is some text to describe "Maximum Bandwidth", however, this parameter is not used in RFC4201.
 
In Section 5.3, it says "Implementations may choose to ignore this attribute and consider per ODU-rate Unreserved Bandwidth defined in Interface Switch Capability Descriptor for "G.709 ODUk" encoding type. " . How about "Maximum Reservable Bandwidth"?
 
(5) In Section 3
 
In this section, OTU, ODUk, ODUj links are listed, but I don't see much difference between from the descrition in your draft. Could you clarify this?
In addtion, could you clarify how these types of links are advertised based on the protocol defined in the next sections of your draft.
 
 
 

Thanks
 
Fatai
 
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Hi,

We have submitted updates to the following draft. Please review & comment.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.

Title           : OSPF TE Extensions for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Control of G.709 Optical Transport Networks
Author(s)       : A. Kunjidhapatham, et al.
Filename        : draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt
Pages           : 30
Date            : 2011-03-14

As OTN network capabilities continue to evolve, there is an increased need to support GMPLS control for the same. [RFC4328] introduced GMPLS signaling extensions for supporting the early version of G.709 [G.709-v1]. The basic routing considerations from signaling perspective is also specified in [RFC4328].

The recent revision of ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G.709-v3] and [GSUP.43] have introduced new ODU containers (both fixed and
flexible) and additional ODU multiplexing capabilities, enabling support for optimal service aggregation. 

This document describes OSPF protocol extensions to support Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) control for routing services over the standardized OTU/ODU containers in support of ODU based TDM switching. Routing support for Optical Channel Layer switching (Lambda switching) is not covered in this document.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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> --Boundary_(ID_NW0xDMetluQ/hX3jYSdqDQ)-- From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Wed Mar 16 06:15:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178BF3A695B; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.581 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.581 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YHcYXVesi1PI; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B9B3A6857; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:15:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110316131502.28959.97646.idtracker@localhost> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:15:02 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:15:03 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element Constraints Author(s) : F. Zhang, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2011-03-13 Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., MPLS), time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and Expires September 2011 [page 1] draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-00.txt March 2011 spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links may impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized MPLS (GMPLS). 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Thanks much Francois Begin forwarded message: > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Date: 9 March 2011 16:45:02 CET > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing-01.txt > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. >=20 >=20 > Title : RSVP Resource Sharing Remote Identification = Association > Author(s) : F. Le Faucheur, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing-01.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2011-03-09 >=20 > The Resource reSerVation Protocol (RSVP) ASSOCIATION object allows to > create association across RSVP path states or across Resv states. > Two association types are currently defined: recovery and resource > sharing. This document defines a new association type called > "Resource Sharing Remote Identification". It can be used by the > sender to convey to the receiver the information that can then be > used by the receiver to identify a downstream initiated resource > sharing association. >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-resource-sharing= -01.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From rrao@infinera.com Wed Mar 16 11:14:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8E73A6A27 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:14:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.301, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wvtCcGOdNUnL for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing1.infinera.com (outgoing1.infinera.com [8.4.225.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039F03A69DD for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SV-EXDB1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.31]) by sv-exhub1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.36]) with mapi; Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:15:31 -0700 From: Rajan Rao To: Fatai Zhang , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:15:29 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt Thread-Index: AcvjwectXNKD04eTSeiLUdrrhDic+gAOgJRg Message-ID: <35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C580E@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> References: <35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C54A9@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C580ESVEXDB1infine_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:14:14 -0000 --_000_35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C580ESVEXDB1infine_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fatai, Thanks for the comments. Please see response inline. From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:04 AM To: Rajan Rao; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.tx= t Hi Rajan, I have some comments on this draft. (1) Confused Lo ODU Terminology I think you may have some misunderstanding on LO ODU terminology. According= to the ITU-T recommendation, a LO ODUj could represent the container trans= porting a client of the OTN that is either directly mapped into an OTUk (k = =3D j) or multiplexed into a server HO ODUk (k > j) container. For example,= 100GE over ODU4, this ODU4 is Lo ODU4, not Ho ODU4. [RR] The meaning should be as per section-7.0 of G.709-v3; there is no chan= ge in meaning intended. Please point to the section where there is confusi= on. We will take an action to correct. (2) Non-normative signal types When [OTN-FWK] document was discussed quite long time ago, the experts from= CCAMP raised that ODU1e, ODU3e1, ODU3e2 are non-normative, which should no= t be referenced. [RR] Fair enough, we will remove. The point we were trying to make was tha= t these signal types are covered if they ever become reality. (3) IMCD advertisement for link CD in Section 6.2 For link CD, it is assumed that it can support OTU2-ODU2-ODU1-ODU0, and in = IMCD2, ODU2-ODU1-ODU0 is advertised, why "ODU1-ODU0" should be advertised? = Actually, for the link CD, it can not support ODU1->ODU0. [RR] The architecture/model should be capable of supporting FAs at ODU2 an= d ODU1 layers for the above muxing hierarchy. The IMCD1 & IMCD2 support F= A creation at ODU2 layer while IMCD3 is meant to allow FA creation at ODU1 = layer. IMCD1: G-PID =3D ODU2-ODU1 Available HO-ODUj count at Pi =3D 1 (ODU2) IMCD2: G-PID =3D ODU2-ODU1-ODU0 Available HO-ODUj count at Pi =3D 1 (ODU2) IMCD3: G-PID =3D ODU1-ODU0 Available HO-ODUj count at Pi =3D 4 (ODU1) In addition, based on your approach, if link CD can support OD4-ODU3-ODU2-O= DU1-ODU0 capability, how to advertise this information? [RR] In this case you need to advertise the ability to support FA at ODU4, = ODU3, ODU2 and ODU1 layers. Please refer to e.g. in section 6.3. It will b= e on similar lines (4) In section 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 There is some text to describe "Maximum Bandwidth", however, this parameter= is not used in RFC4201. [RR] True; bundling case use Max LSP BW as per RFC 4201. This is referenc= ed in section 5.1. In Section 5.3, it says "Implementations may choose to ignore this attribut= e and consider per ODU-rate Unreserved Bandwidth defined in Interface Switc= h Capability Descriptor for "G.709 ODUk" encoding type. " . How about "Maxi= mum Reservable Bandwidth"? [RR] For Max Reservable BW field, the intent is to encode as follows - Unbundled link - as per RFC 3630 - Bundled Link - as per RFC4201 This is captured in section-5.2. (5) In Section 3 In this section, OTU, ODUk, ODUj links are listed, but I don't see much dif= ference between from the descrition in your draft. Could you clarify this? In addtion, could you clarify how these types of links are advertised based= on the protocol defined in the next sections of your draft. [RR] Xihua had similar comments. We will take an action to clarify the fo= llowing cases. Our intent was to show the follows cases: a) OTUk links - P2P segment b) ODUk links - FA ( going beyond one segment) c) ODUj links - FA ( going beyond one segment) Thanks Rajan Thanks Fatai Huawei Technologies Co., LTD. Huawei Base, Bantian, Longgang, Shenzhen 518129 P.R.China Tel: +86-755-28972912 Fax: +86-755-28972935 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rajan Rao" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt Hi, We have submitted updates to the following draft. Please review & comment. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03 Thanks Authors -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [= mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org= Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 4:15 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : OSPF TE Extensions for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Control o= f G.709 Optical Transport Networks Author(s) : A. Kunjidhapatham, et al. Filename : draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2011-03-14 As OTN network capabilities continue to evolve, there is an increased need = to support GMPLS control for the same. [RFC4328] introduced GMPLS signaling= extensions for supporting the early version of G.709 [G.709-v1]. The basic= routing considerations from signaling perspective is also specified in [RF= C4328]. The recent revision of ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G.709-v3] and [GSUP.43] = have introduced new ODU containers (both fixed and flexible) and additional ODU multiplexing capabilities, enabling support fo= r optimal service aggregation. This document describes OSPF protocol extensions to support Generalized MPL= S (GMPLS) control for routing services over the standardized OTU/ODU contai= ners in support of ODU based TDM switching. Routing support for Optical Cha= nnel Layer switching (Lambda switching) is not covered in this document. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.tx= t Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementa= tion to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > --_000_35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C580ESVEXDB1infine_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fatai,

 

=

Thanks for the comments.  Please see respo= nse inline.

 

From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zh= angfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 3:04 AM
= To: Rajan Rao; ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D= Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt

 

= Hi Rajan,

 

I have some comments on this draft.

 

(1)&nb= sp;Confused Lo ODU Terminology

 

I think you may have som= e misunderstanding on LO ODU terminology. According to the ITU-T recommenda= tion, a LO ODUj could represent the container transporting a client of= the OTN that is either directly mapped into an OTUk (k =3D j) or = ;multiplexed into a server HO ODUk (k > j) container. For example, 100GE= over ODU4, this ODU4 is Lo ODU4, not Ho ODU4.

 

[RR] The meanin= g should be as per section-7.0 of G.709-v3; there is no change in meaning i= ntended.  Please point to the section where there is confusion. We wil= l take an action to correct.

 

(2) Non-normative signal typ= es

 

When [OTN-FWK] document was discussed quite long time = ago, the experts from CCAMP raised that ODU1e, ODU3e1, ODU3e2 are non-= normative, which should not be referenced.

=

 

[RR]= Fair enough, we will remove.  The point we were trying to make was th= at these signal types are covered if they ever become reality.

 

(3) IMCD advertisement for link CD in Section 6.2

 

For link CD, it is assumed that it can support OTU2-ODU2-ODU1-ODU0= , and in IMC= D2, ODU2-ODU1-ODU0 is advertised, why "ODU1-ODU0" should be adver= tised? Actually, for the link CD, it can not support ODU1->ODU0. =

 

= [RR]  The architecture/model should be capable of supporting FA= s at ODU2 and ODU1 layers for the above muxing hierarchy.   The I= MCD1 & IMCD2 support FA creation at ODU2 layer while IMCD3 is meant to = allow FA creation at ODU1 layer.

=

            IMCD1:

    &n= bsp;           G-PID =3D = ODU2-ODU1

         &n= bsp;      Available HO-ODUj count at Pi =3D 1 (ODU= 2)

 

        = ;  IMCD2:

        &nb= sp;       G-PID =3D ODU2-ODU1-ODU0=

&= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   Available HO-ODUj count at Pi =3D 1 (ODU2)=

&nb= sp;

          IMCD3:<= /o:p>

            = ;    G-PID =3D ODU1-ODU0

    &n= bsp;           Available = HO-ODUj count at Pi =3D 4 (ODU1)

 

In addition, based on = your approach, if link CD can support OD4-ODU3-ODU2-ODU1-ODU0 capability, h= ow to advertise this information?

[RR] In this case you need to advertise the ability to support FA at ODU4= , ODU3, ODU2 and ODU1 layers. Please refer to e.g. in section 6.3.  It= will be on similar lines

 <= o:p>

(4) In section 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3

 

=

There is some text to describe "Maximum Bandwidth", howev= er, this parameter is not used in RFC4201.

[RR] True;  bundling case use Max LSP BW as per RFC 4201.  This = is referenced in section 5.1.

 

In Section 5.3, it says &qu= ot;Implementations may choose to ignore this attribute and consider pe= r ODU-rate Unreserved Bandwidth defined in Interface Switch Capability= Descriptor for "G.709 ODUk" encoding type. " . How abo= ut "Maximum Reservable Bandwidth"?

 

[R= R] For Max Reservable BW field, the intent is to encode as follows

  - Unbundled link -  as= per RFC 3630

  - Bun= dled Link – as per RFC4201

=  

This is capt= ured in section-5.2.

 

 

(5) In Section 3

 

In this section,= OTU, ODUk, ODUj links are listed, but I don't see much difference between = from the descrition in your draft. Could you clarify this?

In addtion, could you clarify how these types of li= nks are advertised based on the protocol defined in the next sections of yo= ur draft.

 <= /o:p>

 [RR] Xihua had similar comments.  We will take an action to clarify = the following cases. Our intent was to show the follows cases:<= /o:p>

 

a)    &= nbsp; OTUk links  - P2P segment =

b)      O= DUk links – FA ( going beyond one segment)

c)   &nbs= p;   ODUj links  - FA = ( going beyond one segment)

 

Thanks

Rajan

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Thanks
 
Fatai
 
Huawei Technologies Co., = LTD.
Huawei Base, Bantian, Longgang,
Shenzhen 518129 P.R.China
Tel= : +86-755-28972912
Fax: +86-755-28972935

----= - Original Message -----

From: "Rajan Rao" = <rrao@infinera.com>

=

To: &= lt;ccamp@ietf.org>

Sent: Tuesday= , March 15, 2011 9:14 AM

Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-= D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt

 

Hi,

We have = submitted updates to the following draft. Please review & comment.
<= br>htt= p://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03
=
Thanks
Authors
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-----Original Message-----
From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On B= ehalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
Sent: Monday, Ma= rch 14, 2011 4:15 PM
To: i-d-announce@= ietf.org
Sub= ject: I-D Action:draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt

A New Inte= rnet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
Title           : OSPF = TE Extensions for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Control of G.709 Optical Transpo= rt Networks
Author(s)       : A. Kunjidhap= atham, et al.
Filename        : draft= -ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03.txt
Pages     &= nbsp;     : 30
Date     &nb= sp;      : 2011-03-14

As OTN network capabi= lities continue to evolve, there is an increased need to support GMPLS cont= rol for the same. [RFC4328] introduced GMPLS signaling extensions for suppo= rting the early version of G.709 [G.709-v1]. The basic routing consideratio= ns from signaling perspective is also specified in [RFC4328].

The re= cent revision of ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G.709-v3] and [GSUP.43] have i= ntroduced new ODU containers (both fixed and
flexible) and additional OD= U multiplexing capabilities, enabling support for optimal service aggregati= on. 

This document describes OSPF protocol extensions to suppo= rt Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) control for routing services over the standardi= zed OTU/ODU containers in support of ODU based TDM switching. Routing suppo= rt for Optical Channel Layer switching (Lambda switching) is not covered in= this document.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
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Internet-Draf= ts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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Hi Fei,

 

Thank You for your comments. Please see the re= sponse for your both the comments.

 

>          =           Comment1: ST means Signal Type (Not Swithcing/Terminating= ). It is as defined in RFC 4328 and extended in section 4 of this draft. We= will further clarify this next version.

>      = ;            &n= bsp; Comment2:   G-PID usag= e as you have suggested definitely works.  we stayed away from using G= _PID in label due to its presence in generalized label request already.&nbs= p; The thought here is the time slot info is pertaining to a particular sta= ge in the multiplexing hierarchy. The order of the stage in the label is id= entified by the order in which the label info is appearing in the multi-sta= ge label. Since the number of time slots will depend on parent signal type = and time slot group, we have kept length field for easy decoding.

 

Hope this clarifies

 

Best= Regards

Khuzema

 

 

 

 =

 

From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf= .org] On Behalf Of zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn
Sent: Thursday, M= arch 17, 2011 8:38 AM
To: Rajan Rao
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org;= ccamp-bounces@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action:draft-khu= zema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01.txt

 


Dear Rajan

I have read the draft, here are some comments, please consider:

5.1 Multi-stage Label
You defined the Multi-stage label as = the following format
  &nb= sp; 0              =     1    =               2 &nb= sp;               &n= bsp; 3
    0 1 2= 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   | Num MUX Stages|  OD(T)Uk (ST) |    = ;      <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> Reserved      <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>      |
 =  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |  =         &nb= sp;      Tributary Slot Info (Stage-1)          =      | =
&nb= sp;  |            =       <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>     (Variable Length) = =                =      | =
&nb= sp;  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+
   |          = ;      <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>         &nbs= p;    . . . <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>                 = ;      <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>    |
   = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  = ;  |    =         &nb= sp;    Tributary Slo= t Info (Stage-n)            =    |
  &nb= sp;|              =       <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>   (Variable Length)   = =                =    |
  &nb= sp;+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+



Below is the Tributary Slot= Info
    0          = ;      <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>   1       &n= bsp;           2    =       <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>        3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 = 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+= -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>  |    ODUj (ST)  | T |  Length   |      Tributary Port Number    |
=    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= -+-+-+-+
   |        Varia= ble Length Bit Map (4-byte boundary aligned)      |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  

Comments 1=A3=BAI d= id not see the explanation of ODUK(ST) or ODUj(ST), S meaning Switching cap= ability and T means Terminating capability?

Comments 2: I agree with you that there are some scenarios= that needs non-FA scheme based multi-stage , citing from your documents
       = ;  ( Note: Multi-stage Label is NOT intended to facilitate the cr= eation of  FA-LSP or Hierarchi= cal LSP. It is basically used to
       =    eliminate the need for FA-LSP in some obvious scenarios.= )

Be glad to see that you c= onsider the information of multi-stage labels, but maybe you can redefine t= his label format as below,
whic= h can improve the encoding efficiency without losing the information about = multi-stage labels.

  = =   0      = ;      <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>       1   &n= bsp;              = 2        = ;      <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>     3
    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1          =       <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>         =  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= -+
   | GPID          = ;      <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>         &nbs= p;| T |     <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>    TPN    =         &nb= sp; |
   +-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |      = Bitmap  .........           &n= bsp;              =       <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>        |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   ~ &nbs= p;      =         &nb= sp;               &n= bsp;              =       <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>         ~
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Here the GP= ID are following the same usage defined in section 5.5.2.1 of the document =
 http://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-ashok-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709-03 and the numbers of T/TPN/bitmap depends on the numbers of multi-st= age.

The encoding of Genera= lized Label is as follows:

   Case-1: ODUk mapping i= nto OTUk
   GPID =3D ODUk
   T and = TPN SHOULD be set to zero; bitmap is not required.

   Case-2: ODUj mux into ODUk
   GPID=3DODUk-ODUj =
&nb= sp;  TPN =3D <specified as per Section 5>
 =  BitMap =3D <TSs reserved for ODUj are set to 1>

<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>   Case-3 ODUh mux into ODUj into ODUk
   GPID= =3DODUk-ODUj-ODUh.
   = ;The fit T/TPN/bitmap sequence indi= cates the usage of ODUk-ODUj;
a= nd the second T/TPN/bitmap sequence indicates the usage of ODUj-ODUh.

Apparently, this is the unified = encoding format suitable for single-stage and multi-stage multiplexing.

According to the example you p= rovided in section 9 (ODU0-ODU2-ODU3 multiplexing between node B and node C= )

   +-----+        =     +-----+   = =           +-----+            = +-----+
   | OTN |             | OTN |          = ;   | OTN |    =         | OTN |
   | SW  |<-OTU2(1.25)>| SW  |<-OTU3(2.5)->| SW  |<-OTU2(1.25)->| SW  |=
   |  A &n= bsp;|             |  B  |     &nbs= p;      = |  C  |    =       <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>  |  D  |
   +-----+            = +-----+      =       +-----+ = =             +-----+
The label format between B and C is
0              =     1    =               2 &nb= sp;               &n= bsp; 3
    0 1 2= 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1            = ;      <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>      
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   | GPID=3DODU3-ODU2-ODU0      =    |T=3D2|         TPN=3D1=A1=AD4       &nb= sp;    |
=  <= /span>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +
   | Bitmap=3DODU3-ODU2             |T=3D1|        = TPN=3D1=A1=AD8            = ;|
   +-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |Bitmap=3DODU2-ODU0|   &nbs= p;  padding (0)   &n= bsp;              =       <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>     |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Just my two cents, compared to the old solution, t= his one is more efficient without losing any information.

Best regard= s

Fei
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<= span style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Re: [CCAMP]= I-D        Action:draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-= g709-01.txt

 

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Hi,

We have submitted updates to the following draft. P= lease review & comment.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01


Thanks
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   <= /tt>             Title           : Signali= ng Extensions for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Control of G.709 Optical Transpo= rt Networks
      &n= bsp;       &nb= sp; Author(s) =       : K. Pithewan, et al.&nbs= p;  <= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>      = ;       Filena= me      : draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01.txt
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As OTN network capabilities continue to evolve, there is an incre= ased need to support GMPLS control for the same. [RFC4328] introduced GMPLS= signaling extensions for supporting early version of G.709 [G.709-v1].The = basic routing considerations from signaling perspective is also specified i= n [RFC4328].

The recent revision of ITU-T Recommendation G.= 709 [G.709-v3] and [GSUP.43] have introduced new ODU containers (both fixed= and
flexible) and additional ODU multiplexing capabilities, en= abling support for optimal service aggregation.

This docume= nt extends [RFC4328] to provide GMPLS signaling support for the new OTN cap= abilities defined in [G.709-v3] and [GSUP.43]. The signaling extensions des= cribed in this document caters to ODU layer switching only. Optical Channel= Layer switching considerations in [RFC4328] are not modified in this docum= ent.

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Y2NhbXA8YnI+DQo8L2ZvbnQ+DQo8YnI+DQo= --=_alternative 0020FDC148257856_=-- From daniel@olddog.co.uk Thu Mar 17 15:21:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130733A69E5 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hNYXHjTFcT71 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873363A6A58 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2HMMPWo002232; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:22:26 GMT Received: from Serenity (88-97-23-122.dsl.zen.co.uk [88.97.23.122]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2HMMOkl002224; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:22:24 GMT From: "Daniel King" To: "'CCAMP'" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:22:02 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01cbe4f1$bdfe6c10$39fb4430$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Acvk8K2MgLoNrAfLQayFxS5Ejg9hyg== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Prague Slides (IETF80) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:21:02 -0000 Hi All, Can you please send me (CC'ing co-chairs) your slides for IETF 80. It's a full agenda so please send your presentations no later than Sunday 27, March. See you in Prague! Br, Dan. -----Original Message----- From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] Sent: 16 March 2011 14:10 To: CCAMP Cc: ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org; Dan King Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Prague Agenda Requests (IETF 80) All, The draft WG agenda is available at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/agenda/ccamp.htm. If you expect to present a draft and it is not on the agenda, or see any errors, please contact Dan and the chairs. Please note that there will likely be some reorganization of the agenda; potentially even between sessions. Much thanks, Lou, Deborah and Dan On 3/7/2011 7:27 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > The final meeting agenda for Prague is out. (See > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/80/agenda.html). Please send > your requests for time on the working group agenda to the chairs and > the WG secretary (Dan) by the end of the day Monday March 14. > > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) > > PS Cut-off dates for Prague can be found at > http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2011.html#IETF80 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > From gregimirsky@gmail.com Fri Mar 18 17:27:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098703A6A4E for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:27:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.709 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MAcH5mPLp2Qf for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f172.google.com (mail-vx0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A293A69B9 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so4724266vxg.31 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:29:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wGMmV6nU5b5nDhR8E016m0FyqqtRP+kzbxPo7bKpETU=; b=Wbs3xE+WoFNLA+f7oAma89UsJ0MYkkZov5vUugKEE6gkdNYSPFiMccSW2QGD1MyIHs Ah/bqW4RRlqOMVtVnhQBwA7bu64jdFyIr35H7c1uvu65dXCDqRGiGFQoIWaV7uHYBm2R QHtoN2eYw1ucG+mh4FGlYlUmyetF9aNfIZIds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WuRCXdEIT+8B7jYITGWqV3h0vSvutBiCvxHcdPhYkAjPo/9HkSg5mDHq9SCkhykgrn FL+/h9lAIgLUBdO2J+WsWHTm7YDs+wMHLCpENnOn2Xc1dsaPUAXiiGCCpcmsJ8MZI4jI eksbOn1tq057NJtPG+QkS868f+5bm7E2cvKEE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.100.37 with SMTP id ev5mr2503441vdb.87.1300494556532; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.168.6 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:29:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: Greg Mirsky To: ccamp@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50163b3130f48049ecafcd3 Subject: [CCAMP] Fwd: Comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-05 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 00:27:49 -0000 --bcaec50163b3130f48049ecafcd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry, wrong address was originally used. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Greg Mirsky Date: Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 5:27 PM Subject: Comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-05 To: Attila Takacs , donald.fedyk@alcatel-lucent.com, hejia@huawei.com, ccamp@ops.ietf.org Dear Authors and All, please kindly consider my comments to the document: - in the Introduction OAM interpreted as "Operations and Management". Though it is one of possible interpretations of the popular abbreviation the "Operation, Administration, and Maintenance" is recommended by draft-ietf-opsawg-mpls-tp-oam-def-07. "Operations and Management" might be abbreviated as OaMgmt. - Section 3, para 4 potential typo - "s\derived form some\derived from some\" - Section 4.1 RE: setting of "OAM MIP entities desired". Only setting of this flag in the LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES Object discussed in the document. I think that the "OAM MIP entities desired" can be set in LSP_ATTRIBUTES even if "OAM MEP entities desired" is set in LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES Object and not in LSP_ATTRIBUTES Object. As result, no error will be generated if any LSR doesn't support MIP functions. - Section 4.2 RE: use of OAM Configuration TLV. The text on p.14 "Only when that is set MAY an "OAM Configuration TLV" be included in the LSP_ATTRIBUTES or LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES Object" might be interpreted as if the OAM Configuration TLV can be included into either one of objects. I think that this is not the case and, in fact, both objects might be present and each have OAM Configuration TLV. If that's the case, then "s\or\and/or\" might be acceptable to clarify. - Section 4.2.1 I think that another bit to signify support of Fault Management can be defined in the document and use bit #4 for that. Regards, Greg --bcaec50163b3130f48049ecafcd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, wrong address was originally used.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Subject: Comments on draft-ietf-ccamp= -oam-configuration-fwk-05
To: Attila Takacs <Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com>, donald.fedyk@alcatel-lucent.com, hejia@huawei.com, ccamp@ops.ietf.org


Dear Authors and All,
please kindly consider my comments to the = document:
  • in the Introduction OAM interpreted as "Operation= s and Management". Though it is one of possible interpretations of the= popular abbreviation the "Operation, Administration, and Maintenance&= quot; is recommended by draft-ietf-opsawg-mpls-tp-oam-def-07. "Operati= ons and Management" might be abbreviated as OaMgmt.
  • Section 3, para 4 potential typo - "s\derived form some\derived = from some\"
  • Section 4.1 RE: setting of "OAM MIP entities = desired". Only setting of this flag in the LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES Obj= ect discussed in the document. I think that the "OAM MIP entities desi= red" can be set in LSP_ATTRIBUTES even if "OAM MEP entities desir= ed" is set in LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES Object and not in LSP_ATTRIBUTES= Object. As result, no error will be generated if any LSR doesn't suppo= rt MIP functions.
  • Section 4.2 RE: use of OAM Configuration TLV. The text on p.14 "On= ly when that is set MAY an "OAM Configuration TLV" be included = in the LSP_ATTRIBUTES or LSP_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES Object" might be in= terpreted as if the OAM Configuration TLV can be included into either one o= f objects. I think that this is not the case and, in fact, both objects mig= ht be present and each have OAM Configuration TLV. If that's the case, = then "s\or\and/or\" might be acceptable to clarify.
  • Section 4.2.1 I think that another bit to signify support of Fault Mana= gement can be defined in the document and use bit #4 for that.
    • Regards,
    Greg

--bcaec50163b3130f48049ecafcd3-- From ma-miyazawa@kddilabs.jp Sat Mar 19 07:29:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD743A67FA; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:29:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Zn3bP0OcPVw; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEE33A68FB; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50655174902B; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:31:18 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3et3gZ64snbT; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:31:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (yellow.lan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.98.10]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18E21748FD6; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:31:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from miyazawaPC (unknown [172.19.64.90]) by mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529651E0002; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:31:16 +0900 (JST) From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: "'Joan Cucchiara'" , , "'MIB Doctors (E-mail)'" , "'Tomohiro Otani'" , , "'Thomas D. Nadeau'" References: <00ce01cbb34d$e6aa1130$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <012b01cbd75c$b36d5100$1a47f300$@jp> <014201cbe385$e894c310$6501a8c0@JoanPC> In-Reply-To: <014201cbe385$e894c310$6501a8c0@JoanPC> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:31:22 +0900 Message-ID: <001001cbe642$52174d80$f645e880$@jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acvjhe7+m/OMNtaRQC2kncI88Pe3twCrKXUA Content-Language: ja Cc: "'Dan Romascanu \(E-mail\)'" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:29:59 -0000 Joan, Thank you for your responses. I have a answer for your comments inline below. Regards, Masanori > > *) tedInfoStatus object > > > > I think there is still some confusion about my request for status/state > > information. > > Obviously, if there are rows in these tables, then > > the MIB has been configured by some means other than SNMP, and granted > > notifications are sent (unless > > they are dropped due to throttling or lost), but what is the Operational > > Status > > link? > > > > The RowPointer object, tedLinkInformationData, might provide this > > information, however, > > the DESCRIPTION clause makes it sound completely optional since it looks > > like 0.0 > > can be entered under any circumstance, so again, I have to ask, how is > an > > operator > > supposed to know if the TE link is acting as intended? > > > > If tedLinkInformationData is supposed to provide this, then it needs to > be > > rewritten to > > be mandatory. That means that there are dependencies on other MIBs also. > > That is > > unclear in this document. > > > > In summary, tedInfoStatus object does not provide any additional > > information, as > > I can see if the MIB is populated. What I'm asking for is Operational > > Status/State > > information. > > > > > > Please discuss. > > > > "Thank you for your comment. We think the definition of tedInfosStatus > in > > previous version was wrong, as you indeicated . It took into account only > > a > > state/status of this MIB itself, not link information. In order to take > > into > > account the operational status of TE link, we think it is necessary to > > create new object such as, for example, "tedLinkState" in tedTable as > > shown > > below. If you have comments, please let us know. " > > > > tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE > > SYNTAX INTEGER { > > up(1), > > down(2) > > } > > MAX-ACCESS read-only > > STATUS current > > DESCRIPTION > > " " > > ::={ tedEntry X } > > > > I would need to see the DESCRIPTION to fully understand the above object, > however, > yes, it would seem this object addresses my concerns. > We added the DESCRIPTION as below. And also, the unknown(3) state is added in accordance with a comment from Lou. Although there are some states in Interface MIB, for example testing, dormant and so on, we think that three types of states are enough in this tedLinkState. tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX INTEGER { up(1), down(2), $B!!!!(B unknown(3) -- status can not be determined for some reason } MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION " This object represents the actual operational state of this TE link. The up(1) state indicates that the TE link is administratively changed to up. If the TE link information is managed by the routing protocol, e.g. OSPF(v2 and v3) and ISIS, it should remain in the up(1) state. Otherwise, if local configuration is used, when this link is administratively change to down, this object should be down(2) state." ::={ tedEntry X } > > > > *) tedNotificationAreaId and tedNotificationRouterId > > > > Not sure why these are needed. Couldn't you include > > an object from the tedTable (such as tedLinkInformationSource) > > rather than have these accessible for Notify objects. Seems like > > extra work on all parts and not sure I see the advantage when > > you already have this info in a table. > > > > Please discuss. > > > > " In version 6 of ted mib, tedAreaId, tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId were > > utilzed as the Index of notification because it is useful to treat as > the > > notification with unique value by using combination of these objects. > > But, > > it cause some error on SMICngPro as shown below. > > Therefore, we decided to > > utilize new objects such as tedNotificationAreaId, > tedNotificationRouteId > > and tedNotificationLinkStateId. We think we want to use tedAreaId, > > tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId as the index of notification again. What > do > > you think?" > > > > Basically, you are looking for a way to get rid of the warnings from the > MIB > compiler > and include the values of the three indices (tedAreaId, tedRouterId, and > tedLinkStateId) with > the notification. There are two (maybe more) ways to accomplish this: > > 1) If an object from the tedTable (for example, tedLinkInformationSource) > were included in the > notification, then the receiver of the notification could parse the OID > and > extract the values > of tedAreaId, tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId (i.e. the indices of this > object are included in the OID). > > 2) Duplicate these index values in accessible-for-notify objects, (or even > managed objects). > > Pros vs. Cons of each way. > > 1. Pro: The tedTable is already there. Including an object from the > table > in the notification > is relatively straightforward. > Con: not sure I see one > > > 2. Pro: ?? > Con: duplicating information and slightly more coding, and testing. > > Anyway, I still don't see a benefit (i.e. "pro" ) for #2. If you could > let > me know, that would > be helpful. It is not incorrect to solve the problem with #2, but I do > think that #1 is simpler. Thank you for providing useful comments. We also think #1 is better to solve the problem. So, we decided to use tedLinkInformationSource as the index of notification as below. Do you have any comments regarding the notification? tedStatusChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE OBJECTS { tedLinkInformationSource } STATUS current DESCRIPTION "This notification signifies that there has been change in TE information of tedTable, tedLocalIfAddrTable, tedRemoteIfAddrTable, tedSwCapTable and tedSrlgTable. For example, this should be generated when tedUnreservedBandwidth is changed to create or delete LSP using registered TE link. " ::= { tedNotifications 1 } tedCreation NOTIFICATION-TYPE OBJECTS { tedLinkInformationSource } STATUS current DESCRIPTION " This notification signifies that there has been new registration in ted table by receiving new TE link information. For example, this should be generated when new index (tedAreaId, tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId) is registered in TED table." ::= { tedNotifications 2 } tedDeletion NOTIFICATION-TYPE OBJECTS { tedLinkInformationSource } STATUS current DESCRIPTION "This notification signifies that there has been deletion of existing entries in ted table. For example, this should be generated when one of existing entries is deleted in TED table." ::= { tedNotifications 3 } From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Sun Mar 20 21:19:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B783B3A65A5; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:19:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.712 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.712 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.126, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0.76, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zG5p1LLKOwro; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx6.zte.com.cn [63.218.89.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803EA3A6405; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.34.0.130] by mx5.zte.com.cn with surfront esmtp id 35102043691617; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:18:31 +0800 (CST) Received: from [10.30.3.21] by [192.168.168.15] with StormMail ESMTP id 84746.6608455112; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:20:17 +0800 (CST) Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse02.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id p2L4K6Fc020799; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:20:07 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn) To: matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com, swallow@cisco.com, eric.gray@ericsson.com, loa.andersson@ericsson.com, lberger@labn.net, lufang@cisco.com, nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com, , , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: 3561E763:B9BE287F-4825785A:000F8990; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.6 March 06, 2007 Message-ID: From: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:20:12 +0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.1FP4|July 25, 2010) at 2011-03-21 12:20:07, Serialize complete at 2011-03-21 12:20:07 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0017CE3C4825785A_=" X-MAIL: mse02.zte.com.cn p2L4K6Fc020799 Subject: [CCAMP] Query on the mismatch of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-identifiers-04 and draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-cp-framework-06 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 04:19:25 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0017CE3C4825785A_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi all I have read the draft draft-ietf-mpls-tp-identifiers-04 recently, and the identifer of a co-routed bidirectioanl LSP is described in section 5.2.1, whose format is: East-Node_ID::East-Tunnel_Num::West-Node_ID::West-Tunnel_Num::LSP_Num I agree that the introduction of West-Tunnel_Num is convenient for the acess of bidirectional services, which is described clearly in the first paragraph of secion 5:(A transport service may be composed of multiple LSPs. Further the LSPs providing a service may change over time due to protection and restoration events. In order to clearly identify the service we use the term "MPLS-TP Tunnel" or simply "tunnel" for a service provided by (for example) a working LSP and protected by a protection LSP.) The establishment of co-routed bidirectional LSP is based on the [RFC3473], but the current solution is not enough if West_Tunnel_Num is introduced. (draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-cp-framework-06 did not catch the gaps up to now.) Following is the format of the Session Object, Sender Template Object, and Session Attribute Object (cited from RFC3209 for reference) Class = SESSION, LSP_TUNNEL_IPv4 C-Type = 7 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IPv4 tunnel end point address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | MUST be zero | Tunnel ID | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Extended Tunnel ID | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Class = SENDER_TEMPLATE, LSP_TUNNEL_IPv6 C_Type = 8 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IPv4 tunnel sender address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | MUST be zero | LSP ID | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ SESSION_ATTRIBUTE class = 207, LSP_TUNNEL C-Type = 7 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Setup Prio | Holding Prio | Flags | Name Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | // Session Name (NULL padded display string) // | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ As we can see, there is no field to fill the West-Tunnel_Num. Fortunately, this can be easily achieved by defining a new C-type in Session Class. For example, the format for the new C-type is below (of course, a new defined object is possible): 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IPv4 tunnel end point address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | West-Tunnel_Num | Tunnel ID | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Extended Tunnel ID | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ In conclusion: (1) The West-Tunnel_Num defined in draft-ietf-mpls-tp-identifiers-04 is useful, but draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-cp-framework-06 SHOULD catch the gaps. (2) The establishment of MPLS-TP co-routed bidirectional SHOULD be described cleary by a individual document or any other existing documents. Just my two cents Fei --=_alternative 0017CE3C4825785A_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi all

I have read the draft draft-ietf-mpls-tp-identifiers-04 recently, and the identifer of a co-routed bidirectioanl LSP is described in section 5.2.1, whose format is: East-Node_ID::East-Tunnel_Num::West-Node_ID::West-Tunnel_Num::LSP_Num

I agree that the introduction of West-Tunnel_Num is convenient for the acess of bidirectional services, which is described clearly in the first paragraph of secion 5:(A transport service may be composed of multiple LSPs. Further the LSPs providing a service may change over time due to protection and restoration events.  In order to clearly identify the service we use the term "MPLS-TP Tunnel" or simply "tunnel" for a service provided by (for example) a working LSP and protected by a protection LSP.)

The establishment of co-routed bidirectional LSP is based on the [RFC3473], but the current solution is not enough if West_Tunnel_Num is introduced. (draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-cp-framework-06 did not catch the gaps up to now.)

Following is the format of the Session Object, Sender Template Object, and Session Attribute Object (cited from RFC3209 for reference)

   Class = SESSION, LSP_TUNNEL_IPv4 C-Type = 7  

  0                   1                   2                   3
   0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                   IPv4 tunnel end point address               |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |  MUST be zero                 |      Tunnel ID                |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                       Extended Tunnel ID                      |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


Class = SENDER_TEMPLATE, LSP_TUNNEL_IPv6 C_Type = 8

   0                   1                   2                   3
   0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                   IPv4 tunnel sender address                  |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |  MUST be zero                 |            LSP ID             |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


   SESSION_ATTRIBUTE class = 207, LSP_TUNNEL C-Type = 7

   0                   1                   2                   3
   0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |   Setup Prio  | Holding Prio  |     Flags     |  Name Length  |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                                                               |
  //          Session Name      (NULL padded display string)      //
  |                                                               |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
As we can see, there is no field to fill the West-Tunnel_Num. Fortunately, this can be easily achieved by defining a new C-type in Session Class. For example,

the format for the new C-type is below (of course, a new defined object is possible):

  0                   1                   2                   3
   0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                   IPv4 tunnel end point address               |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |  West-Tunnel_Num              |      Tunnel ID                |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                       Extended Tunnel ID                      |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
In conclusion:

(1) The West-Tunnel_Num defined in draft-ietf-mpls-tp-identifiers-04 is useful, but draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-cp-framework-06 SHOULD catch the gaps.

(2) The establishment of MPLS-TP co-routed bidirectional SHOULD be described cleary by a individual document or any other existing documents.

Just my two cents

Fei --=_alternative 0017CE3C4825785A_=-- From jcucchiara@mindspring.com Tue Mar 22 08:41:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC4C28C127; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id svezPfGcLx8i; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F7528C0D6; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:41:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=GUy82Hgg9Vt9XuLCFdOmAqo9P84RR5hQ7TZFPrfaMZaljBw4n3FFq6MtK6If4ply; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.41.31.146] (helo=JoanPC) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Q23j8-0005Lh-C1; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:42:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00d701cbe8a7$c2fe0180$6501a8c0@JoanPC> From: "Joan Cucchiara" To: "Masanori Miyazawa" , , "'MIB Doctors \(E-mail\)'" , "'Tomohiro Otani'" , , "'Thomas D. Nadeau'" References: <00ce01cbb34d$e6aa1130$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <012b01cbd75c$b36d5100$1a47f300$@jp> <014201cbe385$e894c310$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <001001cbe642$52174d80$f645e880$@jp> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:42:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-2022-jp"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 4d68bbe9cb71969ea344cf2d1a8e60840a9da525759e26542fd4e7776ee4e8e2247a38ae3b4fcca507c87288fcf778e7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.41.31.146 Cc: "'Dan Romascanu \(E-mail\)'" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:41:03 -0000 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Masanori Miyazawa" > To: "'Joan Cucchiara'" ; ; > "'MIB > Doctors (E-mail)'" ; "'Tomohiro Otani'" > ; ; "'Thomas D. Nadeau'" > > Cc: "'Dan Romascanu (E-mail)'" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:31 AM > Subject: RE: MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 Hello Masanori Thanks, please see inline for a couple of minor comments. I think we have reached agreement, so please see below and if there are no questions/comments, then please update the doc. Thanks, -Joan > > >> Joan, >> >> Thank you for your responses. >> I have a answer for your comments inline below. >> >> Regards, >> Masanori >> >>> > *) tedInfoStatus object >>> > >>> > I think there is still some confusion about my request for >>> > status/state >>> > information. >>> > Obviously, if there are rows in these tables, then >>> > the MIB has been configured by some means other than SNMP, and granted >>> > notifications are sent (unless >>> > they are dropped due to throttling or lost), but what is the >>> > Operational >>> > Status >>> > link? >>> > >>> > The RowPointer object, tedLinkInformationData, might provide this >>> > information, however, >>> > the DESCRIPTION clause makes it sound completely optional since it >>> > looks >>> > like 0.0 >>> > can be entered under any circumstance, so again, I have to ask, how is >>> an >>> > operator >>> > supposed to know if the TE link is acting as intended? >>> > >>> > If tedLinkInformationData is supposed to provide this, then it needs >>> > to >>> be >>> > rewritten to >>> > be mandatory. That means that there are dependencies on other MIBs >> also. >>> > That is >>> > unclear in this document. >>> > >>> > In summary, tedInfoStatus object does not provide any additional >>> > information, as >>> > I can see if the MIB is populated. What I'm asking for is Operational >>> > Status/State >>> > information. >>> > >>> > >>> > Please discuss. >>> > >>> > "Thank you for your comment. We think the definition of tedInfosStatus >>> in >>> > previous version was wrong, as you indeicated . It took into account >> only >>> > a >>> > state/status of this MIB itself, not link information. In order to >>> > take >>> > into >>> > account the operational status of TE link, we think it is necessary to >>> > create new object such as, for example, "tedLinkState" in tedTable as >>> > shown >>> > below. If you have comments, please let us know. " >>> > >>> > tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE >>> > SYNTAX INTEGER { >>> > up(1), >>> > down(2) >>> > } >>> > MAX-ACCESS read-only >>> > STATUS current >>> > DESCRIPTION >>> > " " >>> > ::={ tedEntry X } >>> > >>> >>> I would need to see the DESCRIPTION to fully understand the above >>> object, >>> however, >>> yes, it would seem this object addresses my concerns. >>> >> >> We added the DESCRIPTION as below. And also, the unknown(3) state is >> added >> in accordance with a comment from Lou. Although there are some states in >> Interface MIB, for example testing, dormant and so on, we think that >> three >> types of states are enough in this tedLinkState. >> >> tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE >> SYNTAX INTEGER { >> up(1), >> down(2), >> $B!!!!(B unknown(3) -- status can not be determined for some >> reason >> >> } >> MAX-ACCESS read-only >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> " This object represents the actual operational state of this TE >> link. The up(1) state indicates that the TE link is administratively >> changed >> to up. If the TE link information is managed by the routing protocol, >> e.g. >> OSPF(v2 and v3) and ISIS, it should remain in the up(1) state. Otherwise, >> if >> local configuration is used, when this link is administratively change to >> down, this object should be down(2) state." >> ::={ tedEntry X } >> Should renumber these enums as: (Please refer to Section 4.6.1.1 of RFC4181 for integer-valued enums.) unknown(0) up (1) down (2) The description looks as if the "admin" status is being combined here with "oper" status. As a very simple example, if a row is added to the tedTable, but there is not yet a physical link, then the link will operationally be "down". Once a physical connection is made, then link would be operationally "up", right? So, need to write the above object to reflect an "operational" status only. If you want to add a new object to reflect a read-only admin Status, that is fine, but that would be a separate object. >> >>> > *) tedNotificationAreaId and tedNotificationRouterId >>> > >>> > Not sure why these are needed. Couldn't you include >>> > an object from the tedTable (such as tedLinkInformationSource) >>> > rather than have these accessible for Notify objects. Seems like >>> > extra work on all parts and not sure I see the advantage when >>> > you already have this info in a table. >>> > >>> > Please discuss. >>> > >>> > " In version 6 of ted mib, tedAreaId, tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId >> were >>> > utilzed as the Index of notification because it is useful to treat as >>> the >>> > notification with unique value by using combination of these objects. >>> > But, >>> > it cause some error on SMICngPro as shown below. >>> > Therefore, we decided to >>> > utilize new objects such as tedNotificationAreaId, >>> tedNotificationRouteId >>> > and tedNotificationLinkStateId. We think we want to use tedAreaId, >>> > tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId as the index of notification again. >>> > What >>> do >>> > you think?" >>> > >>> >>> Basically, you are looking for a way to get rid of the warnings from the >>> MIB >>> compiler >>> and include the values of the three indices (tedAreaId, tedRouterId, and >>> tedLinkStateId) with >>> the notification. There are two (maybe more) ways to accomplish this: >>> >>> 1) If an object from the tedTable (for example, >>> tedLinkInformationSource) >>> were included in the >>> notification, then the receiver of the notification could parse the OID >>> and >>> extract the values >>> of tedAreaId, tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId (i.e. the indices of this >>> object are included in the OID). >>> >>> 2) Duplicate these index values in accessible-for-notify objects, (or >>> even >>> managed objects). >>> >>> Pros vs. Cons of each way. >>> >>> 1. Pro: The tedTable is already there. Including an object from the >>> table >>> in the notification >>> is relatively straightforward. >>> Con: not sure I see one >>> >>> >>> 2. Pro: ?? >>> Con: duplicating information and slightly more coding, and testing. >>> >>> Anyway, I still don't see a benefit (i.e. "pro" ) for #2. If you could >>> let >>> me know, that would >>> be helpful. It is not incorrect to solve the problem with #2, but I >>> do >>> think that #1 is simpler. >> >> Thank you for providing useful comments. We also think #1 is better to >> solve >> the problem. So, we decided to use tedLinkInformationSource as the index >> of >> notification as below. Do you have any comments regarding the >> notification? >> >> tedStatusChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE >> OBJECTS { >> tedLinkInformationSource >> } >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "This notification signifies that there has been change in TE >> information of tedTable, tedLocalIfAddrTable, tedRemoteIfAddrTable, >> tedSwCapTable and tedSrlgTable. For example, this should be generated >> when >> tedUnreservedBandwidth is changed to create or delete LSP using >> registered >> TE link. " >> ::= { tedNotifications 1 } >> The above Notification seems reasonable...although, think that the intent is for any change to trigger this notification, so should say, "tedSwCapTable and/or tedSrlgTable", rather than just "and". >> tedCreation NOTIFICATION-TYPE >> OBJECTS { >> tedLinkInformationSource >> } >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> " This notification signifies that there has been new registration >> in >> ted table by receiving new TE link information. For example, this should >> be >> generated when new index (tedAreaId, tedRouterId and tedLinkStateId) is >> registered in TED table." >> ::= { tedNotifications 2 } >> >> tedDeletion NOTIFICATION-TYPE >> OBJECTS { >> tedLinkInformationSource >> } >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "This notification signifies that there has been deletion of >> existing >> entries in ted table. For example, this should be generated when one of >> existing entries is deleted in TED table." >> ::= { tedNotifications 3 } >> Could the above be renamed to tedEntryCreated and tedEntryDeleted? Should be singular, so: s/deletion of existing entries in ted table/deletion of an entry in the ted table/ Thanks, - Joan From lberger@labn.net Tue Mar 22 15:11:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D963A67DB for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:11:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.706 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.706 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.240, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7CvUOx3NtxLC for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9386D3A67D7 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8567 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2011 22:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2011 22:13:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=labn.net; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=jLVnU11i+GOo7iFBgNgu8WjEH8x1IlXSFUtVANg4Tw7s1MV84DrOKxspi6x84yq293j1vrVrzvlRGFYbjXhmOSxJ5e3VApa98/IUqiWZ0iPT+fQ4L4mz4uTJgI2FjH5T; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q29pH-00020u-JG for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:13:19 -0600 Message-ID: <4D891EFE.6070700@labn.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:13:18 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Fwd: New Liaison Statement, "LS274 - SG15 OTNT Standardization Work Plan" X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:11:47 -0000 FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Liaison Statement, "LS274 - SG15 OTNT Standardization Work Plan" Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Jones(ITU-T SG 15) Reply-To: tsbsg15@itu.int To: lberger@labn.net,dbrungard@att.com,jpv@cisco.com,rcallon@juniper.net,swallow@cisco.com,loa@pi.nu,julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com CC: paf@cisco.com,stbryant@cisco.com,adrian.farrel@huawei.com,ccamp@ietf.org,pce@ietf.org,mpls@ietf.org,yoichi.maeda@ttc.or.jp,Steve.Trowbridge@alcatel-lucent.com,tsbsg15@itu.int,greg.jones@itu.int,hiroshi.ota@itu.int,koike.yoshinori@lab.ntt.co.jp Title: LS274 - SG15 OTNT Standardization Work Plan Submission Date: 2011-03-09 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=1029 Please reply by 2011-11-18 From: Greg Jones(ITU-T SG 15) To: IETF (CCAMP, PCE and MPLS WGs)(lberger@labn.net,dbrungard@att.com,jpv@cisco.com,rcallon@juniper.net,swallow@cisco.com,loa@pi.nu,julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com) Cc: paf@cisco.com stbryant@cisco.com adrian.farrel@huawei.com ccamp@ietf.org pce@ietf.org mpls@ietf.org yoichi.maeda@ttc.or.jp Steve.Trowbridge@alcatel-lucent.com Reponse Contact: tsbsg15@itu.int greg.jones@itu.int hiroshi.ota@itu.int Technical Contact: koike.yoshinori@lab.ntt.co.jp Purpose: For comment Body: Thank you for your previous review and comments for �Optical Transport Networks & Technologies Standardization Work Plan�. Attached is the updated version from this SG15 meeting (Geneva, 14-25 February 2011). This version reflects recent development of related standards and your valuable input. We appreciate your review of this latest version and comments. 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For e.g, if manual FA is already created (ODU2-FA along A-B-C= -D & A-B-E-D), the ODU0-LSP restoration works without needing "Termination"= capability information. Here ODU2-FA would be advertising ODU0 switching= BW. 2) Suggestion: Since this doc is listing few requirements it is useful= to have all requirements in one place, i.e. the Framework doc. Thanks Rajan --_000_35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C6276SVEXDB1infine_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sergio, et al,

 

Couple of comments on the draft:

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1)  = ;    Can you please clarify section = 4.7 in relation to FAs? 

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<= span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>·         Since the requirement is mainly relating to inducing an FA at= HO-ODU, it should be spelled out clearly, I think.

 

·       &n= bsp; The need to advertise mux/demux capabil= ity (i.e. termination) is to allow head-end (Fig-5 & Fig-6) to compute = path for an ODU0-LSP which requires ODU2-FA to be dynamically established (= path computed).

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·         It will be very useful if you clarify the above in relation to manual= -FAs.  

    &nb= sp;        For e.g,  if manual= FA is already created (ODU2-FA along A-B-C-D & A-B-E-D), the ODU0-LSP = restoration works without needing “Termination” capability info= rmation.  Here ODU2-FA would be advertising  ODU0 switching BW.

 

2)      <= ![endif]>Suggestion: Since this doc is listing few requirements it is usefu= l to have all requirements in one place, i.e. the Framework doc.=

 

Thanks

Rajan

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= --_000_35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C6276SVEXDB1infine_-- From sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Mar 24 03:17:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDC43A686C for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 03:17:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zANFmAnmBGBN for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 03:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail5.alcatel.fr (smail5.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.27]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9383A685B for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 03:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.63]) by smail5.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id p2OAIer0019177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:19:01 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSB1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.43]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.63]) with mapi; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:18:46 +0100 From: "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)" To: Rajan Rao Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:18:44 +0100 Thread-Topic: Mail regarding draft-bccg-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model Thread-Index: Acvo4dYWH7e0Lp9ETLOjpltbJzYVswBKBaeA Message-ID: References: <35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C6276@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> In-Reply-To: <35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7D7C3C6276@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: it-IT X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F050945A8D8E9A44A71039532BA344D816890B7CFRMRSSXCHMBSB1d_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 155.132.188.13 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "draft-bccg-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [CCAMP] R: Mail regarding draft-bccg-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:17:41 -0000 --_000_F050945A8D8E9A44A71039532BA344D816890B7CFRMRSSXCHMBSB1d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rajan, see in line BR Sergio, Daniele, Pietro and Fatai Sergio Belotti Portfolio Evolution Terrestrial Optics Product Unit ALCATEL-LUCENT +39 039 6863033 +39 039 6863590 ________________________________ Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Raj= an Rao Inviato: marted=EC 22 marzo 2011 23.38 A: draft-bccg-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Oggetto: [CCAMP] Mail regarding draft-bccg-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model Sergio, et al, Couple of comments on the draft: 1) Can you please clarify section 4.7 in relation to FAs? =B7 Since the requirement is mainly relating to inducing an FA at H= O-ODU, it should be spelled out clearly, I think. Why do you assume that the requirement is "mainly" related to inducing FA? = The requirement is independent from FA creation and is related to path comp= utation process. =B7 The need to advertise mux/demux capability (i.e. termination) i= s to allow head-end (Fig-5 & Fig-6) to compute path for an ODU0-LSP which r= equires ODU2-FA to be dynamically established (path computed). No, the need to advertise T/S capability is to help path computation to avo= id possible crankback in case you wrongly setup an LSP that is not aligned = with interface characteristics. i.e. trying to switch an ODU container on a= n interface that can only terminate this container and viceversa . =B7 It will be very useful if you clarify the above in relation to = manual-FAs. For e.g, if manual FA is already created (ODU2-FA along A-B-C= -D & A-B-E-D), the ODU0-LSP restoration works without needing "Termination"= capability information. Here ODU2-FA would be advertising ODU0 switching= BW. This is not true . Imagine you have a board in which you need to terminate = ODU0 to extract a non-ODU client (e.g. GE) . In this case the Termination c= apability information is still absolutely needed. Moreover having an FA does not imply that the carried signal type must be = terminated e.g. the FA LSP could be used in case of stitching, and then the= carried signal just switched. 2) Suggestion: Since this doc is listing few requirements it is useful= to have all requirements in one place, i.e. the Framework doc. The presence of the list of requirements is only as reference of what obvio= usly reported in the Framework to easy understand the information needed to= cope with the requirements. Thanks Rajan --_000_F050945A8D8E9A44A71039532BA344D816890B7CFRMRSSXCHMBSB1d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rajan,

 

see in line

 

BR

 

Sergio, Daniele, Pietro and Fatai=

 

 

Sergio Belotti

Portfolio Evolution=
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Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Rajan Rao
Inviato: marted=EC 22 marzo = 2011 23.38
A: draft-bccg-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model@tools.ietf.org
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org
Oggetto: [CCAMP] Mail regard= ing draft-bccg-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model

 

Sergio, et al,

 

Couple of comments on the draft:

 

1)<= font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman">      Can you ple= ase clarify section 4.7 in relation to FAs? 

 

=B7      =    Since the requirement is mainly relating to inducing an FA at HO-ODU, it should be spelled out clearly, I think.

 

Why do you assume that the requirement is “mainly” related to inducing FA? The requirement is independent from FA creation and= is related to path computation process.

 

=B7      =    The need to advertise mux/demux capability (i.e. termination) is to allow head-end (Fig= -5 & Fig-6) to compute path for an ODU0-LSP which requires ODU2-FA to be dynamically established (path computed).

No, the need to advertise T/S capability is to help path computation to avoid possible crankback in case you wrongly setup an LSP th= at is not aligned with interface characteristics. i.e. trying to switch an ODU container on an interface that can only terminate this container and viceve= rsa .

 

=B7      =    It will be = very useful if you clarify the above in relation to manual-FAs.  

           &= nbsp; For e.g,  if manual FA is already created (ODU2-FA along A-B-C-D & A-B-E-D), the ODU0-LSP restoration works without needing “Termination” capability information.  Here ODU2-FA would = be advertising  ODU0 switching BW.

 

This is not true . = Imagine you have a board in which you need to terminate ODU0 to extract a non-ODU client (e.g. GE) . In this case the Termination capability information is s= till absolutely needed.

Moreover having an = FA does not imply that the carried signal type =A0must be terminated e.g. the = FA LSP could be used in case of stitching, and then the carried signal just switch= ed.

 

2)<= font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman">      Suggestion:= Since this doc is listing few requirements it is useful to have all requirements = in one place, i.e. the Framework doc.

 

The presence of the list of requirements is only as reference o= f what obviously reported in the Framework to easy understand the information= needed to cope with the requirements.

 

Thanks

Rajan

 

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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From db3546@att.com Wed Mar 30 03:43:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A855828C0DB for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:43:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3hsKOeL-mD5w for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681463A6B4A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:43:25 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: db3546@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1301481903!10319523!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.146] Received: (qmail 16541 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2011 10:45:03 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.146) by server-13.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 10:45:03 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UAi3md025614 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:44:03 -0400 Received: from gaalpa1msgusr7e.ugd.att.com (gaalpa1msgusr7e.ugd.att.com [135.53.26.19]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UAi13P025607 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:44:01 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBEEC7.847198DC" Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:44:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] FW: Routing Area Open Meeting room change Thread-Index: AcvurOL/MaRaJ7S1RLOW7PExS1FFqQABKzUNAAVxUhA= From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTSI)" To: "CCAMP" Subject: [CCAMP] FW: [mpls] FW: Routing Area Open Meeting room change X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:43:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEEC7.847198DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 ------ Forwarded Message From: Adrian Farrel Reply-To: Adrian Farrel Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:34:25 +0200 To: Cc: Subject: Routing Area Open Meeting room change Fortunately, this is only a change to the next-door room. =20 Chairs: Notifying your WGs might be good. =20 =20 From: 80all-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:80all-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Wanda Lo Sent: 30 March 2011 09:01 To: 80all@ietf.org Subject: [80all] Wednesday 3-30-2011 Agenda Change Hi Everyone, There's a room change in today's afternoon session I (13:00-15:00). 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Subject: = Routing Area Open Meeting room change

Fortunately, this is only a change to the next-door = room.
 
Chairs: Notifying your WGs might be = good.
 
 

= From:= = 80all-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:80all-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of Wanda Lo
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To: 80all@ietf.org
Subject: [80all] = Wednesday 3-30-2011 Agenda Change

Hi Everyone,

=

= There's a room change in today's afternoon session I = (13:00-15:00).

=

= RTGAREA has moved to Congress Hall II.

=

= CLUE has moved to Congress Hall I.

=

Please = note it in on your pocket agenda to reflect the change.  Of course, = the agenda on the IETF website (https://data= tracker.ietf.org/meeting/80/agenda.html) always has the most = up-to-date information.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01CBEEC7.847198DC-- From Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com Wed Mar 30 08:21:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64BE28C162 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:21:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R1NRECZYtqwM for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6137728C158 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:21:55 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7bbbae000005311-35-4d934af5e24b Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id EA.EE.21265.5FA439D4; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.161]) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.90]) with mapi; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:23:33 +0200 From: Attila Takacs To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:23:32 +0200 Thread-Topic: Protection timers in draft-kattan-wson-property-01 Thread-Index: Acvu7m4Me0i545XgSDaDgvPD7IJaIA== Message-ID: <6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A9DDC49D06@ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A9DDC49D06ESESSCMS0365eem_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [CCAMP] Protection timers in draft-kattan-wson-property-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:21:56 -0000 --_000_6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A9DDC49D06ESESSCMS0365eem_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, In draft-kattan-wson-property, which was presented today, there is a propo= sal to support a timer to delay restoration/protection actions for WSON. We have a generic draft that proposes to support protection timers: http://= tools.ietf.org/html/draft-takacs-ccamp-revertive-ps-05 I wonder if this would sufficiently address the need of timer configuration= for WSON as well? Thanks, Attila --_000_6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A9DDC49D06ESESSCMS0365eem_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
In draft-kattan-wson-property, which was presented today,  there = is a proposal to support a timer to delay restoration/protection actions fo= r WSON.
 
We have a generic draft that proposes to support protection timers: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-takacs-ccamp-rever= tive-ps-05
I wonder if this would sufficiently address the need of timer configur= ation for WSON as well?
 
Thanks,
Attila
 
 
--_000_6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A9DDC49D06ESESSCMS0365eem_-- From adrian@olddog.co.uk Thu Mar 31 02:08:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5346428C1FA for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.165 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.165 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.434, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UhW9ckeD02fh for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D8C28C1FB for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2V99rb3008238 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:09:53 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dhcp-15a5.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.21.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p2V99pF9008211 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:09:52 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'CCAMP'" Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:09:52 +0200 Message-ID: <103301cbef83$65a4e250$30eea6f0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-language: en-gb Thread-index: Acvvg1RISfixxepCTBipiTGVkP7onQ== Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:08:32 -0000 Hi, A couple of thoughts that we didn't have time to talk about in the meeting. The chairs may be right that the framework document can help us understand which scenarios we need to address. 1. We don't generally optimize for special cases. That means we should pick a solution that we can apply across the board. Separating out a solution that is optimized for a particular case (e.g. single- hop) would only be valuable if the savings are really large. 2. What is an LSP? Historically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly understand that an LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the control plane representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signaling state). It is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms in our work. Cheers, Adrian From kpithewan@infinera.com Thu Mar 31 02:23:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B76728C267 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:23:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.201, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ja11KEp7Qvlc for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing2.infinera.com (outgoing2.infinera.com [8.4.225.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D6C28C244 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SV-EXDB1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.30]) by sv-exhub2.infinera.com ([10.100.97.37]) with mapi; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:23:43 -0700 From: Khuzema Pithewan To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'CCAMP' Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:23:41 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Thread-Index: Acvvg1RISfixxepCTBipiTGVkP7onQAAV/ag Message-ID: References: <103301cbef83$65a4e250$30eea6f0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103301cbef83$65a4e250$30eea6f0$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:23:57 -0000 Hi, On point#2. I agree with you that a LSP is control plane equivalent of a da= taplane connection. But, not all data plane connection need to be modeled i= n control plane as lsp. We need to model only those dataplane connection in= control plane as lsp (or FA), that matters in path computation, or need to= be monitored for faults/restoration in control plane. Best Regards Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:10 AM To: 'CCAMP' Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, A couple of thoughts that we didn't have time to talk about in the meeting.= The chairs may be right that the framework document can help us understand whic= h scenarios we need to address. 1. We don't generally optimize for special cases. That means we should pick a solution that we can apply across the board. Separating out a solution that is optimized for a particular case (e.g. single- hop) would only be valuable if the savings are really large. 2. What is an LSP? Historically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly unders= tand that an LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the contro= l=20 plane representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signali= ng state). It is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms in our work. Cheers, Adrian _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Thu Mar 31 08:34:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D693A6B24 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w0UVAZelevqe for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64943A6844 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:34:04 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7bbbae000005311-f4-4d949f4f60f9 Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 9E.84.21265.F4F949D4; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:35:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0360.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.137]) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se ([10.2.3.125]) with mapi; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:35:43 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Khuzema Pithewan , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'CCAMP' Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:35:41 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Thread-Index: Acvvg1RISfixxepCTBipiTGVkP7onQAAV/agAAy3TJA= Message-ID: References: <103301cbef83$65a4e250$30eea6f0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:34:06 -0000 Hi Khuzema, I agree with Adrian. If i correctly understood your proposal, when and ODU0= LSP is requested, the LSRs should allocate the labels for ODU2 besides all= ocating the labels for ODU0? In such a way the 1:1 mapping is lost. My 2c BR Daniele -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of K= huzema Pithewan Sent: gioved=EC 31 marzo 2011 11.24 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, On point#2. I agree with you that a LSP is control plane equivalent of a da= taplane connection. But, not all data plane connection need to be modeled i= n control plane as lsp. We need to model only those dataplane connection in= control plane as lsp (or FA), that matters in path computation, or need to= be monitored for faults/restoration in control plane. Best Regards Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:10 AM To: 'CCAMP' Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, A couple of thoughts that we didn't have time to talk about in the meeting.= The chairs may be right that the framework document can help us understand= which scenarios we need to address. 1. We don't generally optimize for special cases. That means we should pick a solution that we can apply across the board. Separating out a solution that is optimized for a particular case (e.g. single- hop) would only be valuable if the savings are really large. 2. What is an LSP? Historically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly unders= tand that an LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the contro= l=20 plane representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signali= ng state). It is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms in our work. Cheers, Adrian _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From Sidd.Aanand@ecitele.com Thu Mar 31 08:36:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E733A6844 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JjLrPj+Mqa24 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uspitbmg01.ecitele.com (uspitbmg01-out.ecitele.com [63.94.127.136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24923A6C11 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:36:55 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 3f5e7f87-b7cbcae000003bbc-71-4d94c744e900 Received: from uspitexch02.ecitele.com ( [10.0.0.72]) by uspitbmg01.ecitele.com (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with SMTP id E6.40.15292.447C49D4; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from USPITMAIL01.ecitele.com ([10.0.0.81]) by uspitexch02.ecitele.com ([10.0.0.72]) with mapi; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:38:34 -0400 From: Sidd Aanand To: Daniele Ceccarelli , Khuzema Pithewan , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'CCAMP' Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:38:31 -0400 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Thread-Index: Acvvg1RISfixxepCTBipiTGVkP7onQAAV/agAAy3TJAAAIJNYA== Message-ID: <047B8373FDE6CE4BBAC116646F35479213739D8B25@USPITMAIL01.ecitele.com> References: <103301cbef83$65a4e250$30eea6f0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAARfFPt8= Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:36:56 -0000 Daniele, Can you please explain why would we allocate labels for ODU2 when an ODU-0 = LSP is requested? Thanks, Sidd -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= aniele Ceccarelli Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:06 PM To: Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Khuzema, I agree with Adrian. If i correctly understood your proposal, when and ODU0= LSP is requested, the LSRs should allocate the labels for ODU2 besides all= ocating the labels for ODU0? In such a way the 1:1 mapping is lost. My 2c BR Daniele -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of K= huzema Pithewan Sent: gioved=EC 31 marzo 2011 11.24 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, On point#2. I agree with you that a LSP is control plane equivalent of a da= taplane connection. But, not all data plane connection need to be modeled i= n control plane as lsp. We need to model only those dataplane connection in= control plane as lsp (or FA), that matters in path computation, or need to= be monitored for faults/restoration in control plane. Best Regards Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:10 AM To: 'CCAMP' Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, A couple of thoughts that we didn't have time to talk about in the meeting.= The chairs may be right that the framework document can help us understand= which scenarios we need to address. 1. We don't generally optimize for special cases. That means we should pick a solution that we can apply across the board. Separating out a solution that is optimized for a particular case (e.g. single- hop) would only be valuable if the savings are really large. 2. What is an LSP? Historically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly unders= tand that an LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the contro= l=20 plane representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signali= ng state). It is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms in our work. Cheers, Adrian _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From zhangfatai@huawei.com Thu Mar 31 08:42:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4073A6B3A for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:42:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with 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(mailgw9.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFCF3A6B24 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:47:56 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb39-b7c6dae0000023f2-02-4d94a28f08b9 Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 0A.A2.09202.F82A49D4; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0360.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.137]) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.90]) with mapi; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:35 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Sidd Aanand , Khuzema Pithewan , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'CCAMP' Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:32 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Thread-Index: Acvvg1RISfixxepCTBipiTGVkP7onQAAV/agAAy3TJAAAIJNYAAAJH1w Message-ID: References: <103301cbef83$65a4e250$30eea6f0$@olddog.co.uk> <047B8373FDE6CE4BBAC116646F35479213739D8B25@USPITMAIL01.ecitele.com> In-Reply-To: <047B8373FDE6CE4BBAC116646F35479213739D8B25@USPITMAIL01.ecitele.com> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:47:58 -0000 It was an example of multi-stage label application. >Multi-stage label is useful when switching of a ODU layer requires termina= ting more than one HO-ODU/OTU. >It eliminates the need of FA creation by carrying 2 timeslot information o= f 2 layers in one label. Please correct if my understanding is not correct. Thanks, Daniele=20 -----Original Message----- From: Sidd Aanand [mailto:Sidd.Aanand@ecitele.com]=20 Sent: gioved=EC 31 marzo 2011 17.39 To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Daniele, Can you please explain why would we allocate labels for ODU2 when an ODU-0 = LSP is requested? Thanks, Sidd -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= aniele Ceccarelli Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:06 PM To: Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Khuzema, I agree with Adrian. If i correctly understood your proposal, when and ODU0= LSP is requested, the LSRs should allocate the labels for ODU2 besides all= ocating the labels for ODU0? In such a way the 1:1 mapping is lost. My 2c BR Daniele -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of K= huzema Pithewan Sent: gioved=EC 31 marzo 2011 11.24 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, On point#2. I agree with you that a LSP is control plane equivalent of a da= taplane connection. But, not all data plane connection need to be modeled i= n control plane as lsp. We need to model only those dataplane connection in= control plane as lsp (or FA), that matters in path computation, or need to= be monitored for faults/restoration in control plane. Best Regards Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:10 AM To: 'CCAMP' Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, A couple of thoughts that we didn't have time to talk about in the meeting.= The chairs may be right that the framework document can help us understand= which scenarios we need to address. 1. We don't generally optimize for special cases. That means we should pick a solution that we can apply across the board. Separating out a solution that is optimized for a particular case (e.g. single- hop) would only be valuable if the savings are really large. 2. What is an LSP? Historically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly unders= tand that an LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the contro= l=20 plane representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signali= ng state). It is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms in our work. Cheers, Adrian _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From zhangfatai@huawei.com Thu Mar 31 08:59:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669973A6B3D for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:59:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.846 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.846 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) 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[8.4.225.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4052028C101 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SV-EXDB1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.30]) by sv-exhub1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.36]) with mapi; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:09:04 -0700 From: Khuzema Pithewan To: Fatai Zhang , Sidd Aanand , Daniele Ceccarelli , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'CCAMP' Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:09:01 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Thread-Index: Acvvune+/m0yjeTySgW8Ho9U47UvFQAAks0Q Message-ID: References: <103301cbef83$65a4e250$30eea6f0$@olddog.co.uk> <047B8373FDE6CE4BBAC116646F35479213739D8B25@USPITMAIL01.ecitele.com> <015801cbefba$7a28f090$a414a8c0@hp3d061f9287af> In-Reply-To: <015801cbefba$7a28f090$a414a8c0@hp3d061f9287af> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:07:26 -0000 Hi, If I correctly understand Daniel's example, ODU2 is not a LSP in control pl= ane, it is just a local ODU2 endpoint in data plane. So the ODU0 lsp sets u= p ODU2<-ODU0 layer because it is mandated by restrictive multiplexing hiera= rchy on interface. This is in context of draft draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01. Th= e ppt is located @ http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/ccamp-24.pptx Please refer to examples in draft and ppt for better understanding. Thanks Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of F= atai Zhang Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:44 PM To: Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk;= 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Sidd, This question should ask Khuzema, why there are multi labels for ODU0 conne= ction request? Fatai Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Sidd Aanand" To: "Daniele Ceccarelli" ; "Khuzema Pithew= an" ; ; "'CCAMP'" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Daniele, Can you please explain why would we allocate labels for ODU2 when an ODU-0 = LSP is requested? Thanks, Sidd -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= aniele Ceccarelli Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:06 PM To: Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Khuzema, I agree with Adrian. If i correctly understood your proposal, when and ODU0= LSP is requested, the LSRs should allocate the labels for ODU2 besides all= ocating the labels for ODU0? In such a way the 1:1 mapping is lost. My 2c BR Daniele -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of K= huzema Pithewan Sent: gioved=EC 31 marzo 2011 11.24 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, On point#2. I agree with you that a LSP is control plane equivalent of a da= taplane connection. But, not all data plane connection need to be modeled i= n control plane as lsp. We need to model only those dataplane connection in= control plane as lsp (or FA), that matters in path computation, or need to= be monitored for faults/restoration in control plane. Best Regards Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:10 AM To: 'CCAMP' Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, A couple of thoughts that we didn't have time to talk about in the meeting.= The chairs may be right that the framework document can help us understand= which scenarios we need to address. 1. We don't generally optimize for special cases. That means we should pick a solution that we can apply across the board. Separating out a solution that is optimized for a particular case (e.g. single- hop) would only be valuable if the savings are really large. 2. What is an LSP? Historically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly unders= tand that an LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the contro= l=20 plane representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signali= ng state). It is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms in our work. Cheers, Adrian _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From ma-miyazawa@kddilabs.jp Thu Mar 31 09:19:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A826628C145; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cvmsz0qv2rQy; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFC228C12B; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29F8174823E; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 01:21:35 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GQtvqp32UPb5; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 01:21:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (yellow.lan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.98.10]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137831748227; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 01:21:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from miyazawaPC (unknown [172.19.64.90]) by mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA9C1E0002; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 01:21:34 +0900 (JST) From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: "'Joan Cucchiara'" , , "'MIB Doctors (E-mail)'" , "'Tomohiro Otani'" , , "'Thomas D. Nadeau'" References: <00ce01cbb34d$e6aa1130$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <012b01cbd75c$b36d5100$1a47f300$@jp> <014201cbe385$e894c310$6501a8c0@JoanPC> <001001cbe642$52174d80$f645e880$@jp> <00d701cbe8a7$c2fe0180$6501a8c0@JoanPC> In-Reply-To: <00d701cbe8a7$c2fe0180$6501a8c0@JoanPC> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 01:21:44 +0900 Message-ID: <001e01cbefbf$b9b65f40$2d231dc0$@jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acvop8YLmodTCDyFRkS1C5Il5apQcAF0lszw Content-Language: ja Cc: "'Dan Romascanu \(E-mail\)'" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] MIB Dr. review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:19:59 -0000 Joan, Many thanks for your time and help. I will update the doc with the discussion with you and have a comments inline below. > Should renumber these enums as: > (Please refer to Section 4.6.1.1 of RFC4181 for integer-valued enums.) > unknown(0) > up (1) > down (2) > > The description looks as if the "admin" status is being combined here > with "oper" status. > > As a very simple example, if a row is added to the tedTable, but there is > not > yet a physical link, then the link will operationally be "down". Once a > physical connection is made, then link would be operationally "up", right? > So, need to write the above object to reflect an "operational" status only. > > If you want to add a new object to reflect a read-only admin Status, that > is > fine, but that would be a separate object. I think that the object is enough for representing the state of TE link, so revised the description as below. tedLinkState OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX INTEGER { unknown(0), up(1), $B!!!!(B down(2) } MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION " This object represents the actual operational state of this TE link. For instance, if a row is created in the tedTable, but the actual TE link is not available for some reason (e.g. when there is not yet physical link or manually disable), then the object would be down(2) state. In contrast, if a row is added and the TE link is available, this would be operationally up(1). 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amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hedk4Bu+Wm2S for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing2.infinera.com (outgoing2.infinera.com [8.4.225.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F493A6A63 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SV-EXDB1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.30]) by sv-exhub2.infinera.com ([10.100.97.37]) with mapi; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:00:35 -0700 From: Rajan Rao To: Fatai Zhang , Khuzema Pithewan , Sidd Aanand , Daniele Ceccarelli , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'CCAMP' Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:00:32 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Thread-Index: AcvvwRW0vnyEUwSuSsmaxGWBsv6jTAAAofRA Message-ID: <35F57DFB766CCA4FBF4F3F680FA9D2CA7DAC291493@SV-EXDB1.infinera.com> References: <103301cbef83$65a4e250$30eea6f0$@olddog.co.uk> <047B8373FDE6CE4BBAC116646F35479213739D8B25@USPITMAIL01.ecitele.com> <015801cbefba$7a28f090$a414a8c0@hp3d061f9287af> <021301cbefc1$13623180$a414a8c0@hp3d061f9287af> In-Reply-To: <021301cbefc1$13623180$a414a8c0@hp3d061f9287af> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:59:01 -0000 Fatai, There is no disagreement on point#1. The proposal is optimized solution, a= scalable solution & an operator friendly solution depending on the deploym= ent scenarios. With the introduction of IMCDs in routing draft we are admitting that muxin= g restrictions do exist. This is inevitable in the evolution of OTN.=20 If you have muxing restrictions on every hop in your network, you have 2 ch= oice. (A) have FAs on every segment or in certain parts of the network (B)= use the label proposed in the draft. Option (B) eliminates the need to ha= ve FA on every-hop in such scenarios. This is the key point you are missing= . Note that once you have FAs, it restrict the type of service you can carry = (pl refer to examples in the draft). Hope this helps. Thanks Rajan=20 -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of F= atai Zhang Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 6:31 PM To: Khuzema Pithewan; Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; adrian@olddog.co.uk;= 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Khuzema, Actually, you don't answer Daniele's question. We know that you don't assum= e this ODU2 is a LSP.=20 Daniele asked you: for example, in your slide 9, for the ODU1 connection re= quest, why you need to allocate the TSs for ODU2->ODU3 besides allocating t= he TSs for ODU1? In this way, 1:1 mapping is lost.=20 You should just follow the GMPLS principle to answer this question. In addition, what is your opinion on Adrian's comment 1? In my presentation, I asked a lot of questions and list a number of the iss= ues about multi-stage labels. These questions and issues should be clarifie= d clearly. Fatai=20 Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Khuzema Pithewan" To: "Fatai Zhang" ; "Sidd Aanand" ; "Daniele Ceccarelli" ; ; "'CCAMP'" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:09 AM Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, If I correctly understand Daniel's example, ODU2 is not a LSP in control pl= ane, it is just a local ODU2 endpoint in data plane. So the ODU0 lsp sets u= p ODU2<-ODU0 layer because it is mandated by restrictive multiplexing hiera= rchy on interface. This is in context of draft draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01. Th= e ppt is located @ http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/ccamp-24.pptx Please refer to examples in draft and ppt for better understanding. Thanks Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of F= atai Zhang Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:44 PM To: Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk;= 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Sidd, This question should ask Khuzema, why there are multi labels for ODU0 conne= ction request? Fatai Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Sidd Aanand" To: "Daniele Ceccarelli" ; "Khuzema Pithew= an" ; ; "'CCAMP'" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Daniele, Can you please explain why would we allocate labels for ODU2 when an ODU-0 = LSP is requested? Thanks, Sidd -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= aniele Ceccarelli Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:06 PM To: Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Khuzema, I agree with Adrian. If i correctly understood your proposal, when and ODU0= LSP is requested, the LSRs should allocate the labels for ODU2 besides all= ocating the labels for ODU0? In such a way the 1:1 mapping is lost. My 2c BR Daniele -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of K= huzema Pithewan Sent: gioved=EC 31 marzo 2011 11.24 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, On point#2. I agree with you that a LSP is control plane equivalent of a da= taplane connection. But, not all data plane connection need to be modeled i= n control plane as lsp. We need to model only those dataplane connection in= control plane as lsp (or FA), that matters in path computation, or need to= be monitored for faults/restoration in control plane. Best Regards Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:10 AM To: 'CCAMP' Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, A couple of thoughts that we didn't have time to talk about in the meeting.= The chairs may be right that the framework document can help us understand= which scenarios we need to address. 1. We don't generally optimize for special cases. That means we should pick a solution that we can apply across the board. Separating out a solution that is optimized for a particular case (e.g. single- hop) would only be valuable if the savings are really large. 2. What is an LSP? Historically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly unders= tand that an LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the contro= l=20 plane representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signali= ng state). It is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms in our work. 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Xihua,

 

=

Thanks for example. This clearly demonstrates t= hat the applicability of multi-stage label is not just limited to point-to-= point physical links but rather in general applicable to any TE Link (may b= e FA). The stages in multi-stage label is decided based on service needs. I= n this case over ODU3 FA, there is a need to have ODU0 and ODU2 LSPs. ODU2 = LSP is single stage and ODU0 requires 2-stage.

 

Thanks

Khuzema

 

From: fu.xihua@zte.com.cn [mailto:fu.xihua@zte.com.cn]=
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 6:45 PM
To: Khuzema Pi= thewan
Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP'; ccamp-bounces@ietf.org; = Daniele Ceccarelli; Sidd Aanand; Fatai Zhang
Subject: Re: [CCAMP]= Discussion of multi-stage solutions

 


Hi Khuzema,

May I understand the multi-stage label in you draft ba= sed on the following example.
Assume H2 just has the ODU2 and ODU3 switch= ing capability.
There are some so many services (e.g., several ODU0 and t= hree ODU2) across the core network (40G) from different direction. H1 and H= 3 are the service aggregation end points.
There are two choice for e2e OD= U0 service. One is to use ODU2 FA between H1 and H3. Another is to use ODU3= FA between H1 and H3.
Service provider may prefer ODU3 FA (i.e.,  a= big pipe for service aggregation) for some specific consideration, for exa= mple, less ODU2 services within core network is to make service management,= OAM and prorection easy.


So what type of FA m= ay depend on the network planning. Control Plane should not restrict this a= pplication where we must create ODU2.
After the creation ODU3 tunnel betw= een H1 and H3 and the signalling message of e2e ODU0 arrive at H1, it must = must carry some information about which ODU2 is in ODU3 then which ODU0 is = in ODU2. That is why your draft propose a multi-stage label.


Xihua Fu


Khuzema Pithewan <kpithewan@infinera.com&g= t;
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8= =CB= :  ccamp-bounces@ietf.org

2011-04-01 =C9=CF=CE=E7 12:09

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Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com>, Sidd Aanand &l= t;Sidd.Aanand@ecitele.com>, Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@er= icsson.com>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>= , 'CCAMP' <ccamp@ietf.org>

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Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions

 




Hi,<= br>
If I correctly understand Daniel's example, ODU2 is not a LSP in= control plane, it is just a local ODU2 endpoint in data plane. So the ODU0= lsp sets up ODU2<-ODU0 layer because it is mandated by restrictive mult= iplexing hierarchy on interface.

This is in context of draf= t draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01. The ppt is located @ http://= www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/ccamp-24.pptx

Please ref= er to examples in draft and ppt for better understanding.

T= hanks
Khuzema

-----Original Message-----From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal= f Of Fatai Zhang
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:44 PMTo: Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.c= o.uk; 'CCAMP'
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage so= lutions

Hi Sidd,

This question should ask K= huzema, why there are multi labels for ODU0 connection request?
Fatai

Thanks


----- Original Messag= e -----
From: "Sidd Aanand" <Sidd.Aanand@ecitele.= com>
To: "Daniele Ceccarelli" <daniele.ceccarel= li@ericsson.com>; "Khuzema Pithewan" <kpithewan@infinera.co= m>; <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; "'CCAMP'" <ccamp@ietf.org&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:38 PM
Subject= : Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions


Danie= le,

Can you please explain why would we allocate labels for= ODU2 when an ODU-0 LSP is requested?

Thanks,
S= idd

-----Original Message-----
From: ccamp-boun= ces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarell= i
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:06 PM
To: Khuzem= a Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP'
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] D= iscussion of multi-stage solutions

Hi Khuzema,

= I agree with Adrian. If i correctly understood your proposal, when and = ODU0 LSP is requested, the LSRs should allocate the labels for ODU2 besides= allocating the labels for ODU0? In such a way the 1:1 mapping is lost.

My 2c

BR
Daniele

-= ----Original Message-----
From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:= ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Khuzema Pithewan
Sent: gio= ved=A8=AC 31 marz= o 2011 11.24
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP'
Subje= ct: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions

Hi,

On point#2. I agree with you that a LSP is control plane equiv= alent of a dataplane connection. But, not all data plane connection need to= be modeled in control plane as lsp. We need to model only those dataplane = connection in control plane as lsp (or FA), that matters in path computatio= n, or need to be monitored for faults/restoration in control plane.
Best Regards
Khuzema

-----Original Mes= sage-----
From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 20= 11 11:10 AM
To: 'CCAMP'
Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion= of multi-stage solutions

Hi,

<speaking = as an individual>

A couple of thoughts that we didn't ha= ve time to talk about in the meeting. The chairs may be right that the fram= ework document can help us understand which scenarios we need to address.

1. We don't generally optimize for special cases.
  That means we sho= uld pick a solution that we can apply across the board.
  Separating out a solution = that is optimized for a particular case (e.g.
single-
<= tt>  hop) would only = be valuable if the savings are really large.

2. What is an = LSP?
  Hi= storically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly understand<= /tt>
  that an= LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the contro= l
  plan= e representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signaling=
  state). It = is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms
<= span style=3D'font-family:"Courier New"'>  in our work.
Cheers,
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:38:47 -0000 Fatai, If you have fewer such restricted links, yes it is an optimization. The po= int you are missing is when you have 100s of such links in the network you = gain scaling and ease of operation benefits. This is our main point. Thanks Rajan -----Original Message----- From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:12 PM To: Rajan Rao; Khuzema Pithewan; Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; adrian@ol= ddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Cc: Rajan Rao Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Rajan, You said you agreed with point #1, so we don't need to optimize for the spe= cial cases.=20 So the things are very clear, even though you did not answer our other ques= tions directly. Fatai Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rajan Rao" To: "Fatai Zhang" ; "Khuzema Pithewan" ; "Sidd Aanand" ; "Daniele Ceccarelli" = ; ; "'CCAMP'" Cc: "Rajan Rao" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 1:00 AM Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Fatai, There is no disagreement on point#1. The proposal is optimized solution, a= scalable solution & an operator friendly solution depending on the deploym= ent scenarios. With the introduction of IMCDs in routing draft we are admitting that muxin= g restrictions do exist. This is inevitable in the evolution of OTN.=20 If you have muxing restrictions on every hop in your network, you have 2 ch= oice. (A) have FAs on every segment or in certain parts of the network (B)= use the label proposed in the draft. Option (B) eliminates the need to ha= ve FA on every-hop in such scenarios. This is the key point you are missing= . Note that once you have FAs, it restrict the type of service you can carry = (pl refer to examples in the draft). Hope this helps. Thanks Rajan=20 -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of F= atai Zhang Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 6:31 PM To: Khuzema Pithewan; Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; adrian@olddog.co.uk;= 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Khuzema, Actually, you don't answer Daniele's question. We know that you don't assum= e this ODU2 is a LSP.=20 Daniele asked you: for example, in your slide 9, for the ODU1 connection re= quest, why you need to allocate the TSs for ODU2->ODU3 besides allocating t= he TSs for ODU1? In this way, 1:1 mapping is lost.=20 You should just follow the GMPLS principle to answer this question. In addition, what is your opinion on Adrian's comment 1? In my presentation, I asked a lot of questions and list a number of the iss= ues about multi-stage labels. These questions and issues should be clarifie= d clearly. Fatai=20 Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Khuzema Pithewan" To: "Fatai Zhang" ; "Sidd Aanand" ; "Daniele Ceccarelli" ; ; "'CCAMP'" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:09 AM Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, If I correctly understand Daniel's example, ODU2 is not a LSP in control pl= ane, it is just a local ODU2 endpoint in data plane. So the ODU0 lsp sets u= p ODU2<-ODU0 layer because it is mandated by restrictive multiplexing hiera= rchy on interface. This is in context of draft draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01. Th= e ppt is located @ http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/ccamp-24.pptx Please refer to examples in draft and ppt for better understanding. Thanks Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of F= atai Zhang Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:44 PM To: Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk;= 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Sidd, This question should ask Khuzema, why there are multi labels for ODU0 conne= ction request? Fatai Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Sidd Aanand" To: "Daniele Ceccarelli" ; "Khuzema Pithew= an" ; ; "'CCAMP'" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Daniele, Can you please explain why would we allocate labels for ODU2 when an ODU-0 = LSP is requested? Thanks, Sidd -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= aniele Ceccarelli Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:06 PM To: Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Khuzema, I agree with Adrian. If i correctly understood your proposal, when and ODU0= LSP is requested, the LSRs should allocate the labels for ODU2 besides all= ocating the labels for ODU0? In such a way the 1:1 mapping is lost. My 2c BR Daniele -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of K= huzema Pithewan Sent: gioved=EC 31 marzo 2011 11.24 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, On point#2. I agree with you that a LSP is control plane equivalent of a da= taplane connection. But, not all data plane connection need to be modeled i= n control plane as lsp. We need to model only those dataplane connection in= control plane as lsp (or FA), that matters in path computation, or need to= be monitored for faults/restoration in control plane. Best Regards Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:10 AM To: 'CCAMP' Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, A couple of thoughts that we didn't have time to talk about in the meeting.= The chairs may be right that the framework document can help us understand= which scenarios we need to address. 1. We don't generally optimize for special cases. That means we should pick a solution that we can apply across the board. Separating out a solution that is optimized for a particular case (e.g. single- hop) would only be valuable if the savings are really large. 2. What is an LSP? Historically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly unders= tand that an LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the contro= l=20 plane representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signali= ng state). It is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms in our work. 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for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:42:04 -0000 Fatai, Can you be more specific please? Which one of the following are you referri= ng: - multi-stage muxing is not a reality? - restricted hierarchy is not a reality? - network consisting of the above is not a reality? Every scenario we discussed in the past 4 months for routing-draft-merge wa= s related to the above cases.=20 You raise a good point on the practical deployment. This is the feedback we= are looking for from the WG. If you have data available please share. May = be we don't need IMCDs to begin with. This will definitely simplify both r= outing and signaling extensions. Thanks Rajan =20 -----Original Message----- From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:53 PM To: Rajan Rao; Khuzema Pithewan; Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; adrian@ol= ddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Rajan, I think we should focus on the questions to discuss something. It does not = make sense to say something by flying in the air. I think all the people ar= e waiting for the scenarios from the practical deployments. Please answer Daniele's question first. Fatai Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rajan Rao" To: "Fatai Zhang" ; "Khuzema Pithewan" ; "Sidd Aanand" ; "Daniele Ceccarelli" = ; ; "'CCAMP'" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 1:40 AM Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Fatai, If you have fewer such restricted links, yes it is an optimization. The po= int you are missing is when you have 100s of such links in the network you = gain scaling and ease of operation benefits. This is our main point. Thanks Rajan -----Original Message----- From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:12 PM To: Rajan Rao; Khuzema Pithewan; Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; adrian@ol= ddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Cc: Rajan Rao Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Rajan, You said you agreed with point #1, so we don't need to optimize for the spe= cial cases.=20 So the things are very clear, even though you did not answer our other ques= tions directly. Fatai Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rajan Rao" To: "Fatai Zhang" ; "Khuzema Pithewan" ; "Sidd Aanand" ; "Daniele Ceccarelli" = ; ; "'CCAMP'" Cc: "Rajan Rao" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 1:00 AM Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Fatai, There is no disagreement on point#1. The proposal is optimized solution, a= scalable solution & an operator friendly solution depending on the deploym= ent scenarios. With the introduction of IMCDs in routing draft we are admitting that muxin= g restrictions do exist. This is inevitable in the evolution of OTN.=20 If you have muxing restrictions on every hop in your network, you have 2 ch= oice. (A) have FAs on every segment or in certain parts of the network (B)= use the label proposed in the draft. Option (B) eliminates the need to ha= ve FA on every-hop in such scenarios. This is the key point you are missing= . Note that once you have FAs, it restrict the type of service you can carry = (pl refer to examples in the draft). Hope this helps. Thanks Rajan=20 -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of F= atai Zhang Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 6:31 PM To: Khuzema Pithewan; Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; adrian@olddog.co.uk;= 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Khuzema, Actually, you don't answer Daniele's question. We know that you don't assum= e this ODU2 is a LSP.=20 Daniele asked you: for example, in your slide 9, for the ODU1 connection re= quest, why you need to allocate the TSs for ODU2->ODU3 besides allocating t= he TSs for ODU1? In this way, 1:1 mapping is lost.=20 You should just follow the GMPLS principle to answer this question. In addition, what is your opinion on Adrian's comment 1? In my presentation, I asked a lot of questions and list a number of the iss= ues about multi-stage labels. These questions and issues should be clarifie= d clearly. Fatai=20 Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Khuzema Pithewan" To: "Fatai Zhang" ; "Sidd Aanand" ; "Daniele Ceccarelli" ; ; "'CCAMP'" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:09 AM Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, If I correctly understand Daniel's example, ODU2 is not a LSP in control pl= ane, it is just a local ODU2 endpoint in data plane. So the ODU0 lsp sets u= p ODU2<-ODU0 layer because it is mandated by restrictive multiplexing hiera= rchy on interface. This is in context of draft draft-khuzema-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709-01. Th= e ppt is located @ http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/ccamp-24.pptx Please refer to examples in draft and ppt for better understanding. Thanks Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of F= atai Zhang Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:44 PM To: Sidd Aanand; Daniele Ceccarelli; Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk;= 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Sidd, This question should ask Khuzema, why there are multi labels for ODU0 conne= ction request? Fatai Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Sidd Aanand" To: "Daniele Ceccarelli" ; "Khuzema Pithew= an" ; ; "'CCAMP'" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Daniele, Can you please explain why would we allocate labels for ODU2 when an ODU-0 = LSP is requested? Thanks, Sidd -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D= aniele Ceccarelli Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:06 PM To: Khuzema Pithewan; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi Khuzema, I agree with Adrian. If i correctly understood your proposal, when and ODU0= LSP is requested, the LSRs should allocate the labels for ODU2 besides all= ocating the labels for ODU0? In such a way the 1:1 mapping is lost. My 2c BR Daniele -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of K= huzema Pithewan Sent: gioved=EC 31 marzo 2011 11.24 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, On point#2. I agree with you that a LSP is control plane equivalent of a da= taplane connection. But, not all data plane connection need to be modeled i= n control plane as lsp. We need to model only those dataplane connection in= control plane as lsp (or FA), that matters in path computation, or need to= be monitored for faults/restoration in control plane. Best Regards Khuzema -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= drian Farrel Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:10 AM To: 'CCAMP' Subject: [CCAMP] Discussion of multi-stage solutions Hi, A couple of thoughts that we didn't have time to talk about in the meeting.= The chairs may be right that the framework document can help us understand= which scenarios we need to address. 1. We don't generally optimize for special cases. That means we should pick a solution that we can apply across the board. Separating out a solution that is optimized for a particular case (e.g. single- hop) would only be valuable if the savings are really large. 2. What is an LSP? Historically we have ted ourselves in knots by failing to clearly unders= tand that an LSP is a data plane thing (a "connection") and also a the contro= l=20 plane representation of the data pane thing (i.e. control plane, signali= ng state). It is helpful to try to maintain a 1:1 mapping between the terms in our work. 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