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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 22646556-97c1-4934-41ba-08d69e440b42 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Mar 2019 12:47:20.6012 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB4189 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 12:47:27 -0000 Looking at -19: - you still have 'wavelenghth' which has a 'h' too many, twice -you still have The YANG model described in this document is a WSON technology-specific YANG model augmenting the generic TE topology module [TE-TOPO] based on the information model developed in [RFC7446] and the two encoding documents [RFC7581] and [RFC7579] that developed protocol independent encodings based on [RFC7446]. in the YANG module which MUST be plain text so HTML/XML references are not allowed And the YANG has reference "ITU-T G.698.2 (11/2009) Section 5.3"; - always good to see reference clauses - but it means "ITU-T G.698.2 (11/2009)" needs to appear in the I-D references and needs to be referenced from the body of the I-D reference "TBD"; well, is TBD! Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "t.petch" To: "Leeyoung" ; Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 12:45 PM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leeyoung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 5:23 PM > > > > This revision, we hope, incorporated all comments from Tom and others. > The co-authors believe that it is ready for WG LC. > > Almost but I fear that there is a step backwards as well. > > You still have two > Wavelenghth > which should probably be > Wavelength > > More problematically, you have introduced > > description > " ... > The YANG model described in this document is a WSON > technology-specific YANG model augmenting the generic TE > topology module [TE-TOPO] based on the information model > developed in [RFC7446] and the two encoding documents > [RFC7581] and [RFC7579] that developed protocol independent > encodings based on [RFC7446]. > > Those [RFC..] look like XML/HTML style references which will not do. A > YANG module must be plain text so > RFC6163 > is fine in a YANG module but > [RFC6163] > is not, which is why, in my last comment, I suggested putting a > reference to RFC6163 in section 1.4 lest you get an unused reference for > the I-D; which you have done, so that is fine, but all those [RFC...] in > the YANG module must go. AFAICS it is only the description clause that > has them. > > For TE-TOPO, you need to use the same text as you have correctly done on > the YANG import statement i.e. > > "RFC YYYY: YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies"; > > /* Note: The RFC Editor will replace YYYY with the number assigned to > the RFC once draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo becomes an RFC.*/ > > Whether this is fixed before or after Last Call is one for the WG > Chairs. > > I probably said before that the nature of the module, which you are > forced to use because of the way that tet: is structured, makes the > module very hard to read and that I have not done; I hope to but may > never find the time. > > Tom Petch > > > Thanks & best regards, > > Young > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 11:18 AM > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane > WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : A YANG Data Model for WSON (Wavelength > Switched Optical Networks) > > Authors : Young Lee > > Dhruv Dhody > > Aihua Guo > > Victor Lopez > > Daniel King > > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18.txt > > Pages : 77 > > Date : 2018-12-05 > > > > Abstract: > > This document provides a YANG data model for the routing and > > wavelength assignment (RWA) TE topology in wavelength switched > > optical networks (WSONs). The YANG data model defined in this > > document conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture > > defined in RFC 8342. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CCAMP mailing list > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CCAMP mailing list > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > From nobody Fri Mar 1 09:17:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2ED130EB0; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 7afd3040-5f95-4249-4f3f-08d69e69ccfc X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Mar 2019 17:17:36.9637 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB3070 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 17:17:45 -0000 Young I wonder who the target audience is for this I-D. The absence of Normative References might suggest that everyone will be able to understand it; or perhaps not:-) I note the impressive list of editors for the I-D; I wonder if they can be put to work coming up with YANG reference clauses for the objects defined herein e.g. Reed-Solomon and Hamming are fine for me but I need some pointers for Golay or the for the difference between identity DP_QAM8 {description "DP-QAM8 (Dual Polarization Quadrature Amplitude Modulation)"; and identity DC_DP_QAM8 {description "DC DP-QAM8 (Dual Polarization Quadrature Amplitude Modulation)"; different identities, same description. I believe in a reference for every leaf, every identity, every typedef unless there is clearly no need thereof. And I think that the G.65x, G.69x that you do mention will be Normative References, which, in turn, gives a pointer to who is expected to be able to understand this I-D. And I believe in having references ab initio, to clarify understanding, not something to be added just prior to requesting publication. And I note ' that may be used in the interfaces colored in yellow in Figure 1.' Mmm, I wonder how the RFC Editor will specify yellow lines. So, I am left wondering does it belong in the IETF or is there a better home for it, one, e.g., which can print its standards in colour (sorry, color)? There are some lines too long and some quirky spellings, but they can wait. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leeyoung" To: "'CCAMP'" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 4:25 PM > Hello CCAMPer's, > > As a follow-up from IETF 103 Bangkok meeting, many interested parties have been working on impairment topology models for optical networks. > > We just wanted to bring the WG's attention on this effort. Your comments will be very appreciated it. > > Thanks & Best regards, > Young (on behalf of co-authors and contributors). > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:20 AM .auge@orange.com> > > A new version of I-D, draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF repository. > > Name: draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang > Revision: 01 > Title: A Yang Data Model for Optical Impairment-aware Topology > Document date: 2019-02-28 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 36 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment- topology-yang-01.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topo logy-yang/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology- yang-01 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment -topology-yang > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-top ology-yang-01 > > Abstract: > In order to provision an optical connection through optical > networks, a combination of path continuity, resource availability, > and impairment constraints must be met to determine viable and > optimal paths through the network. The determination of appropriate > paths is known as Impairment-Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment > (IA-RWA) for WSON, while it is known as Impairment-Aware Routing and > Spectrum Assigment (IA-RSA) for SSON. > > This document provides a YANG data model for the impairment-aware TE > topology in optical networks. > > > From nobody Fri Mar 1 13:20:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F204E131213; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 13:10:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, db3546@att.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.92.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155147461998.6101.1186773902776765785.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 13:10:19 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] ccamp - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 104 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 21:10:41 -0000 Dear Daniele Ceccarelli, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. ccamp Session 1 (2:00 requested) Monday, 25 March 2019, Morning Session I 0900-1100 Room Name: Athens/Barcelona size: 100 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/sessions/ccamp.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Common Control and Measurement Plane Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Daniele Ceccarelli Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls pce teas netmod Second Priority: rtgarea detnet bess Third Priority: lsr i2rs People who must be present: Deborah Brungard Fatai Zhang Daniele Ceccarelli Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Mar 4 00:15:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9D7129A85 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 00:15:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JU_-Ydh37M4H for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 00:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093A41292F1 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 00:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B0EC1AE0118; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 09:15:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 09:15:37 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20190304.091537.1434859750027847472.mbj@tail-f.com> To: yves.beauville@nokia.com Cc: ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <50762c99-ff06-e142-ae82-b8fccd75016a@nokia.com> References: <50762c99-ff06-e142-ae82-b8fccd75016a@nokia.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Question on alarm-notification draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 08:15:40 -0000 Hi, "Beauville, Yves (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" wrote: > Hello, > > In the proposed YANG module, an alarm-notification conveys a single > alarm state change. > > There are scenarios where server may want to send a possibly large set > of alarm state changes at the same time. This is correct, but it is not limited to alarms; it applies to all kinds of notifications. The NETCONF WG is working on a more generic solution to this problem, where a single notification message can contain multiple notifications (draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages). I think this is a more flexible solution than coding this into every YANG-defined notification (not just alarms). > For example: > > * re-configuration of severities > * a transient network issue I think Stefan will send some comments re these examples. > Would we do this more efficiently by allowing the alarm-notification > to convey a list of state changes rather than a single one? /martin From nobody Mon Mar 4 00:23:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528891292F1 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 00:23:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Just to comment on your examples: >> * re-configuration of severities I do not think that changing the alarm severity profile should change = the severity levels of *existing* alarms.=20 At the time those alarm state changes appeared it was according to the = configuration at *that* time.=20 Strange if a configuration change affected previous alarm states.=20 Therefore, no alarm state changes should be sent for a reconfiguration = of severity levels. >> * a transient network issue See Appendix G (especially Table 4), the system should not send = unnecessary alarm state changes for transient changes. Hysteresis functions, alarm throttling etc are mechanisms outside the = scope of this alarm model that should be managed by=20 the system in order not to send too high alarm rates. br Stefan > On 4 Mar 2019, at 09:15, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > "Beauville, Yves (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" = wrote: >> Hello, >>=20 >> In the proposed YANG module, an alarm-notification conveys a single >> alarm state change. >>=20 >> There are scenarios where server may want to send a possibly large = set >> of alarm state changes at the same time. >=20 > This is correct, but it is not limited to alarms; it applies to all > kinds of notifications. The NETCONF WG is working on a more generic > solution to this problem, where a single notification message can > contain multiple notifications > (draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages). I think this is a more > flexible solution than coding this into every YANG-defined = notification > (not just alarms). >=20 >> For example: >>=20 >> * re-configuration of severities >> * a transient network issue >=20 > I think Stefan will send some comments re these examples. >=20 >=20 >> Would we do this more efficiently by allowing the alarm-notification >> to convey a list of state changes rather than a single one? >=20 >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Mon Mar 4 00:44:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE9C13101B for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 00:44:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BPL7lQuue_XL for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear CCAMP, It's time to start building the agenda for IETF 104 Please note that we have 1 session scheduled on Monday: * Monday, March 25, 2019 (CET) - 9:00-11:00 Monday Morning session I Agenda Requests: - To submit a request, please fill the survey at the following link: https:= //www.mysurveygizmo.com/s3/4876066/IETF104-CCAMP-slot-request - Please fill the survey no later than Monday, March 11th. Presentations: If you are presenting slides please make sure you send them to all *indi= viduals* listed above (Chairs, Secretary and exclude CCAMP) no later than = Friday, March 22nd (please note we're first session on Monday) Reminder about a few important dates: * 2019-03-11 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all dra= fts, including -00) by UTC 23:59. Upload using the ID Submission Tool. * 2019-03-11 (Monday): Standard rate registration and payment cut-off= at UTC 23:59.. * 2019-03-13 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:5= 9. Upload using the Meeting Materials Management Tool. * 2019-03-18 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59= . Upload using the Meeting Materials Management Tool. Best Regards, Daniele, Fatai, =D3scar --_000_VI1PR07MB50407BC6A1DB5C2290420645F0710VI1PR07MB5040eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear CCAMP,

 

It’s time to start building the agenda for IETF 104

 

Please note that we have 1 session scheduled on Monday:

 

  • Mo= nday, March 25, 2019 (CET) - 9:00-11:00 Monday Morning session I

 

Agenda Requests:

- To submit a request, please fill the survey at the= following link: https://www.mysurveygizmo.com/s3/4876066/IETF104-CCAMP-slot-request

- Please fill the survey no later than Monday, March 11th.<= /o:p>

 

Presentations:

  If you are presenting slides please make sure you send th= em to  all *individuals* listed above (Chairs, Secretary and exclude C= CAMP) no later  than Friday, March 22nd (please note we’re first session on Monday)=

 

Reminder about a few important dates:

 

Best Regards,

 

Daniele, Fatai, =D3scar 

 

 

--_000_VI1PR07MB50407BC6A1DB5C2290420645F0710VI1PR07MB5040eurp_-- From nobody Mon Mar 4 09:43:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383981310C6; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 09:43:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.92.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155172142119.5196.11354620546986243347@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 09:43:41 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info-08.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 17:43:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : Information Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSONs) with Impairments Validation Authors : Giovanni Martinelli Haomian Zhang Gabriele M. Galimberti Young Lee Fatai Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info-08.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2019-03-04 Abstract: This document defines an information model to support Impairment- Aware (IA) Routing and Wavelength Assignment (RWA) functionality. This information model extends the information model for impairment- free RWA process in WSON to facilitate computation of paths where optical impairment constraints need to considered. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 4 18:59:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F234130EEF; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 18:59:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.92.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155175474408.5192.673464932641999939@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 18:59:04 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info-09.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 02:59:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : Information Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSONs) with Impairments Validation Authors : Giovanni Martinelli Huawei Technologies Gabriele M. Galimberti Young Lee Fatai Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info-09.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2019-03-04 Abstract: This document defines an information model to support Impairment- Aware (IA) Routing and Wavelength Assignment (RWA) functionality. This information model extends the information model for impairment- free RWA process in WSON to facilitate computation of paths where optical impairment constraints need to considered. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 1f570380-e2f1-45df-92d1-08d6a154917c X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Mar 2019 10:23:11.1850 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB6109 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 10:23:17 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jiangyuanlong" Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 8:43 AM > Dear CCAMPers, > > More and more network equipments (e.g., routers) begin to support FlexE interfaces in the industry, especially after OIF published its FlexE 2.0 implementation agreement. > We submitted an I-D on "YANG Data Model for FlexE Interface Management", to support configuration of FlexE 2.0 interface like an ordinary network interface (by augmenting the YANG module of RFC 8343). > Your reviews and comments will be very appreciated. The challenge with such an I-D is getting access to the documentation of another SDO to see just what it says, in this case, that of the OIF, which some on this list will have but I assume that I will not. Thus it would be interesting to learn more about the relationship between " Note that max number of FlexE groups in a network is 63."; and " leaf group-number { type uint32 { range "1..1048574"; More prosaically, the IANA Considerations need work. You say " It is proposed that IANA register a new IANAifType TBD for the interface type of Flex Ethernet in the "IANA Interface Type YANG Module" [RFC7224]." Go read RFC7224 and you will find it says that this MUST NOT happen:-) Rather, RFC7224 says that you should request IANA to add a new interface type to the "ifType definitions" registry, whereupon IANA will do the rest. And RFC7224 specifies what data should be specified with such a request which this I-D does not, at present, provide. Thus the YANG module has when "if:type =3D 'ianaift:flexethernet'" { but 'flexethernet' is not defined anywhere so will never exist! And " It is proposed that IANA register the following YANG module in the "YANG Module Names" registry: Name: ietf-flexe Namespace: urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-flexe Prefix: flexe Reference: this document" will not work either; in the IANA web pages, 'this document' will not make much sense - rather, you need RFC XXXX with a note to the RFC Editor for XXXX to be replaced with the number assigned to the I-D. You need just the same in the YANG module itself. (You only need the one Note to the RFC Editor at the front of the I-D - the RFC Editor tell me they prefer this). Registering the YANG module needs a reference to RFC6020. More technically, the use of enumerations in YANG is problematic since - the numeric value is not carried in the protocol, it is for documentation only (unlike SMI) - it is complex to add values in future which I imagine will happen with FlexE Hence the widespread use of the YANG identity statement, which also has its problems. enumeration may be the right answer but it needs consideration. Tom Petch > > Best regards, > Yuanlong on behalf of all coauthors > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 4:48 PM > To: Weiqiang Cheng ; Jiangyuanlong ; Hexiang (Xiang, IP Research) > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Yuanlong Jiang and posted to the IETF repository. > > Name: draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang > Revision: 00 > Title: YANG Data Model for FlexE Interface Management > Document date: 2019-03-01 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 15 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang > > > Abstract: > This document defines a YANG data model for the configuration of > FlexE 2.0 interface, and its FlexE clients. The YANG module in this > document conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture > (NMDA). > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Tue Mar 5 03:21:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DF71310BC for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 03:21:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fXhq7frXUVT7 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 03:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABA2613103F for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 03:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (unknown [119.94.169.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A5AA1801556; Tue, 5 Mar 2019 12:21:25 +0100 (CET) To: tom petch , Jiangyuanlong , 'CCAMP' Cc: Weiqiang Cheng , "Hexiang (Xiang, IP Research)" References: <155143009980.6207.15940951126550530112.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68BBC345242@dggeml512-mbx.china.huawei.com> <03a001d4d33d$26466380$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <837e66a2-e867-b001-c99a-0eca76b7cdb4@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 19:21:22 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <03a001d4d33d$26466380$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 11:21:33 -0000 Tom, FWIW on the OIF webpage there is a pull down menu, first choice is Implementation Agreements. On that page you'll find https://www.oiforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/OIF-FLEXE-02.0-1.pdf If I understand the intent correct it should be self-contained. /Loa On 2019-03-05 18:23, tom petch wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jiangyuanlong" > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 8:43 AM > >> Dear CCAMPers, >> >> More and more network equipments (e.g., routers) begin to support > FlexE interfaces in the industry, especially after OIF published its > FlexE 2.0 implementation agreement. >> We submitted an I-D on "YANG Data Model for FlexE Interface > Management", to support configuration of FlexE 2.0 interface like an > ordinary network interface (by augmenting the YANG module of RFC 8343). >> Your reviews and comments will be very appreciated. > > The challenge with such an I-D is getting access to the documentation of > another SDO to see just what it says, in this case, that of the OIF, > which some on this list will have but I assume that I will not. Thus it > would be interesting to learn more about the relationship between > > " Note that max number of FlexE groups in a network is 63."; > and > " leaf group-number { type uint32 { range "1..1048574"; > > More prosaically, the IANA Considerations need work. You say > " It is proposed that IANA register a new IANAifType TBD for > the interface type of Flex Ethernet in the "IANA Interface Type > YANG Module" [RFC7224]." > > Go read RFC7224 and you will find it says that this MUST NOT happen:-) > Rather, RFC7224 says that you should request IANA to > add a new interface type to the "ifType definitions" registry, whereupon > IANA will do the rest. And RFC7224 specifies what data should be > specified with such a request which this I-D does not, at present, > provide. > > Thus the YANG module has > when "if:type = 'ianaift:flexethernet'" { > but 'flexethernet' is not defined anywhere so will never exist! > > And > " It is proposed that IANA register the following YANG module in the > "YANG Module Names" registry: > Name: ietf-flexe > Namespace: urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-flexe > Prefix: flexe > Reference: this document" > will not work either; in the IANA web pages, 'this document' will not > make much sense - rather, you need RFC XXXX with a note to the RFC > Editor for XXXX to be replaced with the number assigned to the I-D. You > need just the same in the YANG module itself. (You only need the one > Note to the RFC Editor at the front of the I-D - the RFC Editor tell me > they prefer this). > > Registering the YANG module needs a reference to RFC6020. > > More technically, the use of enumerations in YANG is problematic since > - the numeric value is not carried in the protocol, it is for > documentation only (unlike SMI) > - it is complex to add values in future which I imagine will happen with > FlexE > > Hence the widespread use of the YANG identity statement, which also has > its problems. enumeration may be the right answer but it needs > consideration. > > Tom Petch > >> >> Best regards, >> Yuanlong on behalf of all coauthors >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 4:48 PM >> To: Weiqiang Cheng ; Jiangyuanlong > ; Hexiang (Xiang, IP Research) > >> Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Yuanlong Jiang and posted to the > IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang >> Revision: 00 >> Title: YANG Data Model for FlexE Interface Management >> Document date: 2019-03-01 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 15 >> URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt >> Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang/ >> Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00 >> Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang >> >> >> Abstract: >> This document defines a YANG data model for the configuration of >> FlexE 2.0 interface, and its FlexE clients. The YANG module in this >> document conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture >> (NMDA). >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed Mar 6 03:42:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D7012DDA3; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 03:42:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155187252311.24598.13094261773322924630@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 03:42:03 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 11:42:03 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability Information Authors : Hao Long Min Ye Greg Mirsky Alessandro D'Alessandro Himanshu Shah Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-03-06 Abstract: A packet switching network may contain links with variable bandwidth, e.g., copper, radio, etc. The bandwidth of such links is sensitive to external environment (e.g., climate). Availability is typically used for describing these links when doing network planning. This document introduces an optional Availability TLV in Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineer (RSVP-TE) signaling. This extension can be used to set up a Generalized Multi- Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) in conjunction with the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Mar 6 03:44:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AFB1200B3 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 03:44:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id frcyxhlllQBd for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 03:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34FB8130EC6 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 03:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id A015D1EEE77D98B1F3E6 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 11:44:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEMM404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.20.212) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 11:44:14 +0000 Received: from DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.114]) by DGGEMM404-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.3.20.212]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 19:44:07 +0800 From: "Yemin (Amy)" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14.txt Thread-Index: AQHU1BGw4uixStjIJUaWNYHn/tkqk6X+eyuA Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 11:44:07 +0000 Message-ID: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFB61C4F@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <155187252311.24598.13094261773322924630@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <155187252311.24598.13094261773322924630@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.169.30.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 11:44:22 -0000 Dear all,=20 The draft is updated to address the comments received during SECDIR and GEN= ART review.=20 Your further review is welcome.=20 BR, Amy(on behalf of co-authors) -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ie= tf.org Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 7:42 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availabilit= y-14.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of= the IETF. Title : Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability Inf= ormation Authors : Hao Long Min Ye Greg Mirsky Alessandro D'Alessandro Himanshu Shah Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2019-03-06 Abstract: A packet switching network may contain links with variable bandwidth, e.g., copper, radio, etc. The bandwidth of such links is sensitive to external environment (e.g., climate). Availability is typically used for describing these links when doing network planning. This document introduces an optional Availability TLV in Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineer (RSVP-TE) signaling. This extension can be used to set up a Generalized Multi- Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) in conjunction with the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availab= ility/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability= -14 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-av= ailability-14 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-avai= lability-14 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Wed Mar 6 14:30:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0974C130E6C; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 14:30:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, db3546@att.com, ccamp@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Message-ID: <155191143697.14179.13401267043312361979.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 14:30:36 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Last Call: (YANG Alarm Module) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 22:30:37 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG (ccamp) to consider the following document: - 'YANG Alarm Module' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-03-20. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document defines a YANG module for alarm management. It includes functions for alarm list management, alarm shelving and notifications to inform management systems. There are also operations to manage the operator state of an alarm and administrative alarm procedures. The module carefully maps to relevant alarm standards. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Wed Mar 6 16:44:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7841712D7F8; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 16:44:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155191944744.13670.12498077122893961194@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 16:44:07 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 00:44:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for L1 Connectivity Service Model (L1CSM) Authors : G. Fioccola K. Lee Y. Lee D. Dhody D. Ceccarelli Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2019-03-06 Abstract: This document provides a YANG data model for Layer 1 Connectivity Service Model (L1CSM). The intent of this document is to provide a transport service model exploiting YANG data model, which can be utilized by a client network controller to initiate a service request connectivity request as well as retrieving service states toward a transport network controller communicating with the client controller. This YANG model is NMDA-compliant. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Mar 6 16:51:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4880A131142 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 16:51:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QdCxIQEND3eZ for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 16:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488C813113E for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 16:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 5FCA4AFDE4FEEF668EDA for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 00:51:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) by LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 00:51:16 +0000 Received: from lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) by lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1591.10; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 00:51:16 +0000 Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.39) by lhreml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1591.10 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 00:51:16 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.96]) by SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.129]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 6 Mar 2019 16:51:14 -0800 From: Leeyoung To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09.txt Thread-Index: AQHU1H7w81fc0WUMI0qQfy7ujCTRaqX/VmQA Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 00:51:14 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D0ED5E8@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <155191944744.13670.12498077122893961194@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <155191944744.13670.12498077122893961194@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.247.120] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 00:51:21 -0000 Hi, No content changes. Fixed some references and idinits.=20 Best regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ie= tf.org Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 6:44 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of= the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for L1 Connectivity Service Mod= el (L1CSM) Authors : G. Fioccola K. Lee Y. Lee D. Dhody D. Ceccarelli Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2019-03-06 Abstract: This document provides a YANG data model for Layer 1 Connectivity Service Model (L1CSM). The intent of this document is to provide a transport service model exploiting YANG data model, which can be utilized by a client network controller to initiate a service request connectivity request as well as retrieving service states toward a transport network controller communicating with the client controller. This YANG model is NMDA-compliant. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Thu Mar 7 09:30:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA0D127817; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 09:30:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155197982534.24852.14717351551183705253@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 09:30:25 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 17:30:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A Yang Data Model for WSON Tunnel Authors : Young Lee Dhruv Dhody Aihua Guo Victor Lopez Daniel King Bin Yeong Yoon Ricard Vilalta Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2019-03-07 Abstract: This document provides a YANG data model for WSON TE tunnel. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Mar 7 09:39:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD9A124BA8 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 09:39:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VREBn7ROW3Xx for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 09:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BDBD12716C for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 09:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id C70838DAF97A322BF0F7 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:39:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:39:49 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.96]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.135]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 09:39:44 -0800 From: Leeyoung To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHU1Qu0oDDRY+GBKU+EPmZucl2SCqYAbs5g Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:39:43 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D0ED872@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <155197982534.24852.14717351551183705253@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <155197982534.24852.14717351551183705253@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.244.118] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 17:39:54 -0000 Hi, This update was necessary to align with the latest changes in te-tunnel mod= el, mainly the container/grouping name changes. This also aligned with te-t= ypes.=20 Also fixed was reference sections.=20 Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ie= tf.org Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 11:30 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of= the IETF. Title : A Yang Data Model for WSON Tunnel Authors : Young Lee Dhruv Dhody Aihua Guo Victor Lopez Daniel King Bin Yeong Yoon Ricard Vilalta Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2019-03-07 Abstract: This document provides a YANG data model for WSON TE tunnel. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Thu Mar 7 17:46:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511951311D2; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 17:45:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155200955329.5419.10644514653272316974@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 17:45:53 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-topo-yang-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 01:45:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Microwave Topology Authors : Ye Min Aihua Guo Jonas Ahlberg Xi Li Daniela Spreafico Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-topo-yang-01.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2019-03-07 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model to describe the topologies of microwave/millimeter. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-topo-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-topo-yang-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-topo-yang-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-topo-yang-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2019 07:52:59 -0000 Dear Tom, Thank you a lot for your review and comments. This I-D is still an initial = version of individual draft, so it need further work and we are glad to see= more reviews and suggestions. Please see my further comments inline. Best regards, Yuanlong -----Original Message----- From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 6:23 PM To: Jiangyuanlong ; 'CCAMP' Cc: Weiqiang Cheng ; Hexiang (Xiang, IP Rese= arch) Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-jiang-ccamp-fle= xe-yang-00.txt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jiangyuanlong" Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 8:43 AM > Dear CCAMPers, > > More and more network equipments (e.g., routers) begin to support FlexE interfaces in the industry, especially after OIF published its FlexE = 2.0 implementation agreement. > We submitted an I-D on "YANG Data Model for FlexE Interface Management", to support configuration of FlexE 2.0 interface like an ordina= ry network interface (by augmenting the YANG module of RFC 8343). > Your reviews and comments will be very appreciated. The challenge with such an I-D is getting access to the documentation of an= other SDO to see just what it says, in this case, that of the OIF, which so= me on this list will have but I assume that I will not. Thus it would be i= nteresting to learn more about the relationship between " Note that max number of FlexE groups in a network is 63."; and " leaf group-number { type uint32 { range "1..1048574"; [JYL]: Just as Loa's email indicated, you can access FlexE 2.0 document by:= https://www.oiforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/OIF-FLEXE-02.0-1.pdf More prosaically, the IANA Considerations need work. You say " It is proposed that IANA register a new IANAifType TBD for the interface type of Flex Ethernet in the "IANA Interface Type YANG Module" [RFC7224]." Go read RFC7224 and you will find it says that this MUST NOT happen:-) Rath= er, RFC7224 says that you should request IANA to add a new interface type t= o the "ifType definitions" registry, whereupon IANA will do the rest. And = RFC7224 specifies what data should be specified with such a request which t= his I-D does not, at present, provide. [JYL]: My interpretation is RFC 7224 gives the information on IANA Interfac= e Type YANG Module. You are right that the RFC don't need to change every t= ime a new ifType is specified. Thus the YANG module has when "if:type =3D 'ianaift:flexethernet'" { but 'flexethernet' is no= t defined anywhere so will never exist! And " It is proposed that IANA register the following YANG module in the "YANG Module Names" registry: Name: ietf-flexe Namespace: urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-flexe Prefix: flexe Reference: this document" will not work either; in the IANA web pages, 'this document' will not make = much sense - rather, you need RFC XXXX with a note to the RFC Editor for XX= XX to be replaced with the number assigned to the I-D. You need just the s= ame in the YANG module itself. (You only need the one Note to the RFC Edit= or at the front of the I-D - the RFC Editor tell me they prefer this). [JYL]: Good advice, though I used to think such a note will be more rightfu= l when this drat is well accepted by the WG and has the WG's consensus.=20 Registering the YANG module needs a reference to RFC6020. [JYL]: Good observation. Actually I think this is somewhat similar to the p= revious ifType issue, do we really need to refer to RFC 6020 while it canno= t be changed? More technically, the use of enumerations in YANG is problematic since - the numeric value is not carried in the protocol, it is for documentation= only (unlike SMI) [JYL]: Do you mean the FlexE protocol itself? I think when we define a valu= e in the YANG module, then the value is in the standard. - it is complex to add values in future which I imagine will happen with Fl= exE [JYL]: Not sure I understand your concern, do you mean that it is difficult= thing to add some new values into an enumeration type?=20 Hence the widespread use of the YANG identity statement, which also has its= problems. enumeration may be the right answer but it needs consideration. Tom Petch > > Best regards, > Yuanlong on behalf of all coauthors > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 4:48 PM > To: Weiqiang Cheng ; Jiangyuanlong ; Hexiang (Xiang, IP Research) > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Yuanlong Jiang and posted to the IETF repository. > > Name: draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang > Revision: 00 > Title: YANG Data Model for FlexE Interface Management Document date:=20 > 2019-03-01 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 15 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang-00 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jiang-ccamp-flexe-yang > > > Abstract: > This document defines a YANG data model for the configuration of > FlexE 2.0 interface, and its FlexE clients. 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Subject: [CCAMP] A review of draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:05:37 -0000 --_002_3B0A1BED22CAD649A1B3E97BE5DDD68BBC36E483dggeml512mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Authors, Thank you for your hard work on draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk. FlexE is gaining= its momentum so I would like to see the progress of this I-D.=20 I had a review of this document and have some comments on it, please see my= attached word file for details. 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the IPR polling for: * draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 (John) * draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang (Walid) Could you please reply ASAP so that we can start the WG adoption procedure? Thanks Daniele ------=_NextPart_001_0040_01D4D7F3.B3467170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Walid, John,

 

Apparently we’re still missing your replies to the = IPR polling for:

 

  • draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 = (John)
  • draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang = (Walid)

 

Could you please reply ASAP so that = we can start the WG adoption procedure?

Thanks

 

Daniele 

 

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X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-03-11_11:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_spam_notspam policy=outbound_spam score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=957 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1903110104 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:28:57 -0000 --_000_BYAPR05MB50290989F672C8CBCE516136C7480BYAPR05MB5029namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not aware of any IPR. Yours Irrespectively, John From: Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 5:18 AM To: wwakim@cisco.com; John E Drake Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling Walid, John, Apparently we're still missing your replies to the IPR polling for: * draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 (John) * draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang (Walid) Could you please reply ASAP so that we can start the WG adoption procedure? Thanks Daniele --_000_BYAPR05MB50290989F672C8CBCE516136C7480BYAPR05MB5029namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m not aware of any IPR.

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarel= li@ericsson.com>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 5:18 AM
To: wwakim@cisco.com; John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR polling

 

Walid, John,

 

Apparently we’re still missing your replies to= the IPR polling for:

 

  • draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-0= 8 (John)
  • draft-= dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang (Walid)

 

Could you please reply ASAP so that we can start the= WG adoption procedure?

Thanks

 

Daniele = ;

 

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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0122_01D4D82B.F5ACC180" ------=_NextPart_001_0122_01D4D82B.F5ACC180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resending to the list. =20 Daniele =20 =20 From: Walid Wakim (wwakim) =20 Sent: den 11 mars 2019 16:14 To: Daniele Ceccarelli Cc: jdrake@juniper.net; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: Re: IPR polling =20 Sorry for delay.=20 =20 I am not aware of any IPR. =20 Walid On Mar 11, 2019, at 4:18 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli = > wrote: =20 Walid, John, =20 Apparently we=E2=80=99re still missing your replies to the IPR polling = for: =20 * draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 (John) * draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang (Walid) =20 Could you please reply ASAP so that we can start the WG adoption = procedure? Thanks =20 Daniele =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0122_01D4D82B.F5ACC180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Resending to the = list.

 

Daniele=C2=A0 =

 

From: Walid Wakim (wwakim) = <wwakim@cisco.com>
Sent: den 11 mars 2019 = 16:14
To: Daniele Ceccarelli = <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Cc: = jdrake@juniper.net; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IPR = polling

 

Sorry for = delay.

 

I = am not aware of any IPR.

 

Walid



On Mar 11, 2019, at 4:18 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericss= on.com> wrote:

 

Walid, John,

 

Apparently we=E2=80=99re still = missing your replies to the IPR polling = for:

 

  • draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 = (John)
  • draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang = (Walid)

 

Could you please reply ASAP so that = we can start the WG adoption = procedure?

Thanks

 

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Working = group,

 

We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and = we’re ready to start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts = (YANG and LMP).

 

This starts a two weeks poll on making  = draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 a CCAMP working group = document.

Please send email to the list indicating = "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a = motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not = support" and nice to have for the = "support".

 

The polling will end on Monday March 25th = .

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai

 

 

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The polling will end on Monday March 25th = .

 

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adoption poll on draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:22:04 -0000 --_000_b63f86597c69932f4c034d5f46b32a5fnokiacom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniele, all, yes/support as co-author. Thanks, Dieter On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Working group, This starts a two weeks poll on making draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp= -08 a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not suppor= t" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and ni= ce to have for the "support". The polling will end on Monday March 25th .. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --_000_b63f86597c69932f4c034d5f46b32a5fnokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniele, all,

yes/support as co-author.

Thanks,
Dieter


On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrot= e:

Working group,

 

This starts a two weeks poll= on making  draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 a CCAMP working group documen= t.

Please send email to the lis= t indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a= motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not support"= and nice to have for the "support".

 

The polling will end on M= onday March 25th ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai<= /span>

 

 

 


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Hi Daniele,all,

Yes/support

 

Thanks

Sergio

 

From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 5:42 PM
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if= -lmp-08

 

Working group,

 

This starts a two weeks poll on making  d= raft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 a CCAMP working group document.

Please send email to the list indicating "ye= s/support" or "no/do not support" and a motivation for = your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and nice to have for= the "support".

 

The polling will end on Monday March 25th= ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai<= /span>

 

 

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Hi WG,

 

Please note that we uploaded CCAMP agenda @IETF104: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/agenda-104-= ccamp-00.htm

This is the first provisional version, we’re still on = time to add/remove/change slots.

Thanks

Daniele, Fatai, Oscar  =

 

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wTsWdHONjSvu//9mqgwWEj9a+AOA9+n9UA4LMazY/BqtnBoiukngJqKmmG6BPmWOuKk9HUkDOvKhRvBuy/ObTSJAdoJWCOxmwyJSTqIvy/NcagJYqWcrDnuR/PBKpcgjj2ojLUBPe9P0pL4xZI5mftf8Srzb318FcjDn47yEj3a0j7QCT/xbxfjoIP5rcS/q+ZRGCuzpaKmdKuD2mYahftwjGNBQTK5IAlUw6InS2a6u7tDqVgBh+akkW8i8Ga/0kb7pB4042DUUkYCap/0VMQxfkQUCu0Hd29GmV6fzmkUrA3mra1pfdRSVrsaIndZzc+p57+BZ7Zhiqg3ZGrwtF7raUPIqENvT0B7RW5oYabAE0Aw2KI+rPzzdQnf5dM8QDDEgoc/iPsIV/trmgEJKHCI+cUmuhfgsSxvbE3+R8lQ= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_bea097c8c83b404d258abf9761aafc63nokiacom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 41d34078-8aa3-4f3a-2e85-08d6a9693ff7 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 Mar 2019 17:11:23.2860 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR07MB4123 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:11:35 -0000 --_000_bea097c8c83b404d258abf9761aafc63nokiacom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniele & Fatai, WG, before replying to the WG adoption poll, I would like to raise a concern: draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 is IMHO opinion overlapping with = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 that also defines a YAN= G model including optical transponder properties (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-c= camp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01#section-2.5 and the related YANG m= odel attributes). As there is a lot of interest in draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topolog= y-yang-01 on the vendor as well as operator side ( we had weekly calls in t= he last weeks), the authors are of the opinion that this draft shall also become a WG draft asap. This = is something that should be discussed during the CCAMP session at IETF 104 = in Prague. The concerns are: * How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology dra= ft has a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the i= f-param draft. * The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to address optic= al transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 opt= ions! * If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model,= an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in t= he topology YANG from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must. Guidance from the chairs is appreciated. Thanks, Sergio and Dieter On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Working group, We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and we=92re ready to = start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP). This starts a two weeks poll on making draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-y= ang-06 a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not suppor= t" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and ni= ce to have for the "support". The polling will end on Monday March 25th .. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --_000_bea097c8c83b404d258abf9761aafc63nokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <29D6091FCFEEB74AA86DD03FC8A350A4@eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniele & Fatai, WG,

before replying to the WG adoption poll, I would like to raise a concern:
draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 is IMHO opinion overlapping with = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 that also defines a YAN= G model including
optical transponder properties (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yan= g-01#section-2.5 and the related YANG model attributes).

As there is a lot of interest in draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topolog= y-yang-01 on the vendor as well as operator side ( we had weekly calls in t= he last weeks), the authors
are of the opinion that this draft shall also become a WG draft asap. This = is something that should be discussed during the CCAMP session at IETF 104&= nbsp; in Prague.

The concerns are:
  • How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology draft= has a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the if-= param draft.
  • The topology draft also defines 2 additional options t= o address optical transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports= 1 out of 3 options!
  • If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device mod= el, an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined i= n the topology YANG
    from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must.
Guidance from the chairs is appreciated.


Thanks,
Sergio and Dieter


On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrot= e:

Working group,

 

We finally managed to collec= t all the IPR disclosures and we=92re ready to start the WG adoption poll f= or the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP).

 

This starts a two weeks poll= on making  draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 a CCAMP working group docu= ment.

Please send email to the lis= t indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a= motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not support"= and nice to have for the "support".

 

The polling will end on M= onday March 25th ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai<= /span>

 

 


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CjwvYm9keT4NCjwvaHRtbD4NCg== --_000_8F91EA75693141BD9F6C7DC24EA13ADDjunipernet_-- From nobody Mon Mar 18 10:00:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF69131184; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:00:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joe Clarke via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module.all@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Joe Clarke Message-ID: <155292844015.26147.11067773612585181394@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:00:40 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:00:40 -0000 Reviewer: Joe Clarke Review result: Has Nits I have been assigned to review this draft on behalf of the OPS DIR. Overall, I found the draft ready with some nits. I found relatively easy to read and well-thought-through. Broadly speaking, I found the term "Alarm Shelving" to be confusing. You do define this, but it is not something that many operators are familiar with. I had originally thought alarm suppression was better, but after I read more, I see what you're trying to do with this. Additionally, some of the features like alarm-history and alarm-shelving have a potential operational impact with respect to local server resources, and perhaps that's worth calling out. The leaf "has-clear" seems like it would read better as "has-cleared" from an English standpoint. Thoughts? Finally, I can see where it might be desirable to suppress alarm notifications without shelving them per se. That is, the alarm remains in the list, but notifications are not sent. That doesn't seem possible, and I'm wondering if it's worth considering. My per-section nits (typos) are found below. Section 3.2 s/an hierarchy/a hierarchy/ === Section 3.5.1 In the example, ((GigabitEthernet0/25, link- alarm,""), false, T, major, "Interface GigabitEthernet0/25 down"), maybe replace 'T' with a sample timestamp. It took me a few seconds to grok that as I was associating it with a boolean. === Section 3.5.2 s/criteria/criterion/ === Section 3.6 s/the the disk full/the disk full/ === Section 3.7 s/this criteria/these criteria/ === Section 4.7 s/alarn/alarm/ === YANG Module section s/identifiying/identifying/ s/exampla/example/ s/alarm is not longer active using other/alarm is no longer active using other/ From nobody Mon Mar 18 10:13:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BB9131295; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ex6kP7ODAdlf; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta7.iomartmail.com (mta7.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7318C13129C; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (vs2.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.123]) by mta7.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x2IHCt4D019155; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:12:55 GMT Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFDA22044; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:12:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.249]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9A8E2204C; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:12:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([87.114.144.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x2IHCr6q032304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:12:54 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Joe Clarke'" , Cc: , , References: <155292844015.26147.11067773612585181394@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <155292844015.26147.11067773612585181394@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:12:53 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <018701d4ddad$d34b5fc0$79e21f40$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-gb Thread-Index: AQLSCYPziQq/hk/4/fvbqLx+mstGzKQXRq3Q X-Originating-IP: 87.114.144.161 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24498.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--7.031-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--7.031-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24498.000 X-TMASE-Result: 10--7.031300-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: QW5G6BKkLTrxIbpQ8BhdbEyM6zQm0+tqc4Aeg/bYEgRLjXXGQy6nlFeh ickTy3zi9RMMteM9sxtiJrGbqHFK11oAJDUeotnEw69AIwXJn0bRahuPwaQ1Wg2G3vz8l/IEF84 GariLK4IRYCSAjdKh370Bw+lJpKcQRcriDaoCTGIzw5Ejs3g1lhYJNGTxAkrBdE0auG3MZh/uT6 3BVP2ztoYPzHvoX0gUagXsH547IxwWRNPYiDc0BG9UcS/LykY+Pj366R4tj3VUP3YCyXOh4MR9S PQVoSYgsJ/IH+mFUAxftuJwrFEhTf306Q4zhC4D3QfwsVk0UbtuRXh7bFKB7kHEhJ7ExrOFbGg5 x/IHN3UD9O5M9vyBG9AFhw5KQNI7CStjCuOR/hg= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:13:09 -0000 Hi, I see where Joe is coming from with the term 'Alarm Shelving', but I = think it is a term of art in the alarm management world (entirely random = example provided by duckduckgo... = https://www.exida.com/Blog/Alarm-Shelving-Relieve-the-Symptoms-of-Nuisanc= e-Alarms). Actually, I found the term to be quite evocative of the process. His point about the impact on server resources is worth exploring. And finally, yes, it seems to me that shelving and suppression of = notifications seem to be approaching orthogonal. That is, suppression of = notifications is not the same as suppression of alarms. > Broadly speaking, I found the term "Alarm Shelving" to > be confusing. You do define this, but it is not something that many = operators > are familiar with. I had originally thought alarm suppression was = better, but > after I read more, I see what you're trying to do with this. > > Additionally, some of the features like alarm-history and = alarm-shelving have a > potential operational impact with respect to local server resources, = and > perhaps that's worth calling out. > > Finally, I can see where it might be desirable to suppress alarm = notifications > without shelving them per se. That is, the alarm remains in the list, = but > notifications are not sent. That doesn't seem possible, and I'm = wondering if > it's worth considering. Cheers, Adrian -- Want to buy a signed copy of a book of fairy stories for adults of all = ages? Send me an email and I'll bring one to Prague for you. "Tales from the Wood" "More Tales from the Wood" "Tales from Beyond the Wood" https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ From nobody Mon Mar 18 13:27:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDDC1311C1; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:27:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dan Romascanu via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module.all@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, dromasca@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dan Romascanu Message-ID: <155294084679.26073.4005125072161491147@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:27:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 20:27:27 -0000 Reviewer: Dan Romascanu Review result: Almost Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 Reviewer: Dan Romascanu Review Date: 2019-03-18 IETF LC End Date: 2019-03-20 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: The document defines a YANG module for Alarm management. While it's clear and comprehensive, it ignores previous work done in the IETF and does not provide a good motivation about the reasons of ignoring it. I would suggest to revisit that part and provide a clear motivation for the need of this new design. Major issues: 1. The definition of Alarm is key for the whole model. It reads like this: > Alarm (the general concept): An alarm signifies an undesirable state in a resource that requires corrective action. However, RFC 3877 already defined a number of concepts including: > Error A deviation of a system from normal operation. Fault Lasting error or warning condition. .... Alarm Persistent indication of a fault. I believe that there is a need to show why the model defined by RFC 3877 needs to be changed, and why the difference that RFC 3877 was making between a Fault and an Alarm is no longer needed. Also, RFC 3877 defined in Section 3 a Framework and an Architecture that was consistent with X.733. This document has no such section, and while acknowledging the need for a mapping to X.733 it states as a goal: > Mapping to X.733, which is a requirement for some alarm systems. Still, keep some of the X.733 concepts out of the core model in order to make the model small and easy to understand More details about what is left out and why these are not needed would help. Minor issues: 1. Section 2 makes a statement that includes > ... While IETF has not really addressed alarm management This is is actually not accurate. RFC 3877 addressed Alarm Management. Maybe there is a need to revise that approach, but this should be done explicitly, not by stating that it did not exist. 2. Section 3.5: > Closing an alarm implies that the operator considers the corrective action performed. Is this always true? The undesirable state may have been cancelled by some other event than corrective action, for example the resource is no longer used, or the time elapsed mat have made the undesirable state irrelevant. 3. In section 3.5.1: > Alarms are not cleared by operators, only the underlying instrumentation can clear an alarm. Operators can close alarms. So, the document makes a distinction between clearing an alarm and closing an alarm. It may be good to define two two concepts to make the distinction clear. 4. Appendix F.1: > The alarm MIB is state oriented rather than notification oriented, an alarm is a "lasting condition", not a discrete notification reporting about a condition state change. I am not sure that I understand this comment. Alarm states are defined also in this document, and Alarms as defined here are also different than ' a discrete notification reporting about a condition state change'. So, what does this comment really try to say? 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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <018701d4ddad$d34b5fc0$79e21f40$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.118.87.86, rtp-jclarke-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-11.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 10:55:10 -0000 On 3/18/19 13:12, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > I see where Joe is coming from with the term 'Alarm Shelving', but I think it is a term of art in the alarm management world (entirely random example provided by duckduckgo... https://www.exida.com/Blog/Alarm-Shelving-Relieve-the-Symptoms-of-Nuisance-Alarms). > > Actually, I found the term to be quite evocative of the process. That's why I backed out my original comment. As I read, it made more and more sense. I was appreciative of the glossary to set the context, though. > > His point about the impact on server resources is worth exploring. > > And finally, yes, it seems to me that shelving and suppression of notifications seem to be approaching orthogonal. That is, suppression of notifications is not the same as suppression of alarms. I had originally thought to propose this as a name for shelving, but they are different as you say. I see value in the suppression-only case for an operational standpoint. Joe > >> Broadly speaking, I found the term "Alarm Shelving" to >> be confusing. You do define this, but it is not something that many operators >> are familiar with. I had originally thought alarm suppression was better, but >> after I read more, I see what you're trying to do with this. >> >> Additionally, some of the features like alarm-history and alarm-shelving have a >> potential operational impact with respect to local server resources, and >> perhaps that's worth calling out. >> >> Finally, I can see where it might be desirable to suppress alarm notifications >> without shelving them per se. That is, the alarm remains in the list, but >> notifications are not sent. That doesn't seem possible, and I'm wondering if >> it's worth considering. > > Cheers, > Adrian > -- > Want to buy a signed copy of a book of fairy stories for adults of all ages? > Send me an email and I'll bring one to Prague for you. > "Tales from the Wood" > "More Tales from the Wood" > "Tales from Beyond the Wood" > https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ > From nobody Tue Mar 19 06:50:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2F6131017 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 06:50:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3xmv3TFq0oMD for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 06:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0F7E127983 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 06:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML714-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 97A0BE75E30C812A81F5; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:50:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([10.201.109.59]) by LHREML714-CAH.china.huawei.com ([10.201.108.37]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:50:28 +0000 From: Italo Busi To: "ccamp@ietf.org" CC: "transport-nbi-dt@googlegroups.com" Thread-Topic: Transport NBI DT Meeting - March 20, 2019 Thread-Index: AdTeWp3XxoizNkvmTiO8wHbYx3Qmfw== Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:50:28 +0000 Message-ID: <91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B276E80EF@lhreml504-mbs> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.203.246.251] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B276E80EFlhreml504mbs_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Transport NBI DT Meeting - March 20, 2019 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:50:37 -0000 --_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B276E80EFlhreml504mbs_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The next Transport NBI DT call is planned tomorrow (March 20, 2019) at 3:00= pm CET The agenda and etherpad link for the call are available on GitHub: https://github.com/danielkinguk/transport-nbi/tree/master/Meetings/2019-03-= 20 These are the Zoom meeting details: Meeting Title: Transport NBI DT Meeting Time: 2019-03-20 15:00-17:00 (UTC+01:00)Rome ID Number: 454 819 343 Meeting link: https://welink-meeting.zoom.us/j/454819343 Daniel and Italo --_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B276E80EFlhreml504mbs_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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--_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B276E80EFlhreml504mbs_-- From nobody Tue Mar 19 07:07:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05D112716C for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ALs8b_rWFsQx for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com (mail-lf1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 346E013128D for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id u9so14387222lfe.11 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:07:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=3ESaj/HfPv2409i2ATurerEIEYwm8Jxo55g6Nfu32cA=; b=qRHeTzQ4xSqxAaiy4Uancae5E4tuqpFH4fVqw4JAHPv5ceINp41JEfEBCjt6aESW1J mPqqdCpakvUOWMOCW92tE3m5mqFp2KCI84Pu45kdPcRXNRZcihL9eiyrvElJcGbIMYxQ uC9DlojHEKa0OUHcFMFFlfcmpuoNv3mtAXptc9yIzwvjLJ2FeEad3WckaeUvCFepUTvp asVHK3pb8ZWP6R5Cd6fzw9S6BGQ5Qnm5CIpbrZBJx1gow70fKYM4+ogfCJElDnHOhj7x CuCatxz5NKeU8rHLPXtF3+TR8SeBl9bqspoH3UeGWmR8wUZhYAsp42fLRs8jAcVrmrwy hDzQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=3ESaj/HfPv2409i2ATurerEIEYwm8Jxo55g6Nfu32cA=; b=nn6E/ilWZalWa5TAChsPccb8RM1Nkmkeu2ZW8BGCmTc58uOUjMR37tH9Bejh0tV6Hh hd2sU6xpoYLToci1ZVdgDcE18L9gB6NfWRWJrJuNG1T6xD6AOXvFIaaFQrIdevnMEQyp 0YVRAJXp692C3g6jZxY6ZGD+TXyOqMqA4LIfUeHyo753HGNvyrkHmbAhOdEH2wpLpmhl c+i9uGmdFYu2dNzWnjD6lFUwkaxHszYY94fPLgKTY4J5jAyi3F2XUn31vqbGx4y0027R IH7C6okiO8fonCNB53bBwOebPRXBb4RI3E/NqzzsgOEMuITM+5Uh29lqeu9DSY0nEKwI 6YQA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWPhZn5Yk/IHDWKhjmv7bhK6zrnJiB3W0NsLAz4OmMvdxITuLnQ bI6pkwnzqgylt0gerjLRiUbdzw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwLLmHVjUb5dSp8PC9GWoJHTYo6QMJCN6FOcmQ8A6E2Lp5VsEMTlO+tkscOHDjpXMuPjZ4YyQ== X-Received: by 2002:a19:ee11:: with SMTP id g17mr4362693lfb.117.1553004436358; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.34] ([195.234.15.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t28sm2777977lje.9.2019.03.19.07.07.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: stefan vallin In-Reply-To: <155292844015.26147.11067773612585181394@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 15:07:14 +0100 Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module.all@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <22EBF1ED-7CE4-4A4F-A105-C76D17D2F2DA@wallan.se> References: <155292844015.26147.11067773612585181394@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Joe Clarke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:07:22 -0000 Hi Joe! Thanks for your review and comments! See inline br Stefan >=20 > I have been assigned to review this draft on behalf of the OPS DIR. = Overall, I > found the draft ready with some nits. I found relatively easy to read = and > well-thought-through. Broadly speaking, I found the term "Alarm = Shelving" to > be confusing. You do define this, but it is not something that many = operators > are familiar with. I had originally thought alarm suppression was = better, but > after I read more, I see what you're trying to do with this. Good :) >=20 > Additionally, some of the features like alarm-history and = alarm-shelving have a > potential operational impact with respect to local server resources, = and > perhaps that's worth calling out. Good comment: suggested edits=20 (could of course go somewhere else than in the feature desc) feature alarm-history { description "This feature indicates that server maintains a history of state changes for each alarm. For example, if an alarm toggles between cleared and active 10 times, these state changes are present in a separate list in the alarm. ADDED: The alarm-history feature has an impact on server memory=20 resources. =20 "; } feature alarm-shelving { description "This feature indicates that the system supports shelving (blocking) alarms. ADDED: Alarm shelving has an impact on server processing resources in order to match alarms against shelf criterion"; } >=20 > The leaf "has-clear" seems like it would read better as "has-cleared" = from an > English standpoint. Thoughts? Note well that this leaf is for the alarm *inventory*, not the alarm = itself. For the alarm itself the leaf is called "is-cleared". The alarm inventory lists all candidate alarms and it is important for operations to know if the server/instrumentation is capable of detecting and generating alarm clear. So "has-clear" states that a specific = alarm-type will be cleared by the instrumentation when the alarm condition = disappears. I guess "has-clear" works in this context? >=20 > Finally, I can see where it might be desirable to suppress alarm = notifications > without shelving them per se. That is, the alarm remains in the list, = but > notifications are not sent. That doesn't seem possible, and I'm = wondering if > it's worth considering. It is possible using the /alarms/control/notify-status-changes choice: leaf notify-all-state-changes { type empty; description "Send notifications for all status changes."; } leaf notify-raise-and-clear { type empty; description "Send notifications only for raise, clear, and re-raise. Notifications for severity level changes or alarm text changes are not sent."; } leaf notify-severity-level { type severity; description "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing the specified level. Always send clear notifications."; } You could consider turning all of by adding another leaf: leaf notify-none { type empty; description "Don't send any notifications."; } Not sure if that would make sense, recommend to leave that out for = further study. Note well that you can always stop to subscribe to the notification = stream. >=20 > My per-section nits (typos) are found below. Thanks! Will correct >=20 > Section 3.2 >=20 > s/an hierarchy/a hierarchy/ >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Section 3.5.1 >=20 > In the example, ((GigabitEthernet0/25, link- > alarm,""), false, T, major, "Interface GigabitEthernet0/25 down"), = maybe > replace 'T' with a sample timestamp. It took me a few seconds to = grok that > as I was associating it with a boolean. >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Section 3.5.2 >=20 > s/criteria/criterion/ >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Section 3.6 >=20 > s/the the disk full/the disk full/ >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Section 3.7 >=20 > s/this criteria/these criteria/ >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > Section 4.7 >=20 > s/alarn/alarm/ >=20 > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > YANG Module section >=20 > s/identifiying/identifying/ >=20 > s/exampla/example/ >=20 > s/alarm is not longer active using other/alarm is no longer active = using other/ >=20 From nobody Tue Mar 19 07:10:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6E51312A1 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:10:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CGX5E0oZ_Ux4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x22a.google.com (mail-lj1-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FB4D1312B8 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22a.google.com with SMTP id y6so9244965ljd.12 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:10:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=wu/u78buabgGIdOmu3adbsR/ZnURIszWlWkYzYI6umw=; b=HJ0lYtGRGC1uRzJ987gOd+fGU5yZlpyv4cHAt30g/BoQdvGgUccEsq8nYAoqAzvhw0 YIbZNMeoyBn+SUZYIwjMjo2RG/MrKDhTFK3p4v34tl9Njgdq+Zf8JjEyxWlMLDOJVoOT pMhQc7U3xUeRJ+Nblw0Wn4y5I7Q0gKClNVM42EmrfdsjkZuVetsj67fa+urkSJ4aO0oZ k29iWTyfHX+Nx42Kvm3T00MKp8/CxSgwPjcFaSXvdYsbdPXQXQcLdrYT8e6Qx/yW7K6b W7ClE8zf3pxSVXIhk9tqBoI9m3w/3QynW5un6K7I+IRiYqj9aNoZi8wH7zk58vW+Uqk/ OhlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=wu/u78buabgGIdOmu3adbsR/ZnURIszWlWkYzYI6umw=; b=Msc6xNsYsZ1y6P5evDKsxhYvL4j4vttNFgVhZBi3arMAsHKiPQvR0p9d2mnvsUSUvN JBajo30WcDdSJPCrmawI9xcNGbEseOCjy4eowFN6H/XMsBGSghyBseFxTIvopMykdtGz 9RzzubLTZ3uZD34mZ6hq3OhHZdq4hdM1jGlonOSblZ2bO92uMjSSO1K//80SBnNAbPWj UuPX73XflGygHc77uL3d5PGgehQNwPGRtasAYq1qww5XzRp2/fUyoMzIJgpneW19/4xH oxOkGg6TJjJluGfSSMjyymFN67hJxo0fRQNIENlEUyXBIUAaz6y5nuXAX6j6Gp6QQXqi rY+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX0lxaPHLoTeyxe2krIIGk9NlfmtKrZb5y9uAOnPbRWqyDpWOA9 6E/aSxDFYZhKRYh9w2Oo1aQnMQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxma6T5QJ2zN5Q7I9dwVb3FbmpHo+rTmrc9qhNuSXqxU4w3ctLgvkIsa96pJvIMUcSAzDjpHA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:12c4:: with SMTP id 65mr10991294ljs.141.1553004606770; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.34] ([195.234.15.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y25sm2793480lja.61.2019.03.19.07.10.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: stefan vallin In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 15:10:05 +0100 Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module.all@ietf.org, "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" , ietf@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <155292844015.26147.11067773612585181394@ietfa.amsl.com> <018701d4ddad$d34b5fc0$79e21f40$@olddog.co.uk> To: Joe Clarke , adrian@olddog.co.uk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:10:21 -0000 Adrian and Joe Thanks for your discussion :) I think we have come to agreement on the =E2=80=9Cshelving=E2=80=9D = term? See my previous response on the notification suppression topic br Stefan > On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:55, Joe Clarke wrote: >=20 > On 3/18/19 13:12, Adrian Farrel wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I see where Joe is coming from with the term 'Alarm Shelving', but I = think it is a term of art in the alarm management world (entirely random = example provided by duckduckgo... = https://www.exida.com/Blog/Alarm-Shelving-Relieve-the-Symptoms-of-Nuisance= -Alarms). >>=20 >> Actually, I found the term to be quite evocative of the process. >=20 > That's why I backed out my original comment. As I read, it made more > and more sense. I was appreciative of the glossary to set the = context, > though. >=20 >>=20 >> His point about the impact on server resources is worth exploring. >>=20 >> And finally, yes, it seems to me that shelving and suppression of = notifications seem to be approaching orthogonal. That is, suppression of = notifications is not the same as suppression of alarms. >=20 > I had originally thought to propose this as a name for shelving, but > they are different as you say. I see value in the suppression-only = case > for an operational standpoint. >=20 > Joe >=20 >>=20 >>> Broadly speaking, I found the term "Alarm Shelving" to >>> be confusing. You do define this, but it is not something that many = operators >>> are familiar with. I had originally thought alarm suppression was = better, but >>> after I read more, I see what you're trying to do with this. >>>=20 >>> Additionally, some of the features like alarm-history and = alarm-shelving have a >>> potential operational impact with respect to local server resources, = and >>> perhaps that's worth calling out. >>>=20 >>> Finally, I can see where it might be desirable to suppress alarm = notifications >>> without shelving them per se. That is, the alarm remains in the = list, but >>> notifications are not sent. That doesn't seem possible, and I'm = wondering if >>> it's worth considering. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Adrian >> -- >> Want to buy a signed copy of a book of fairy stories for adults of = all ages? >> Send me an email and I'll bring one to Prague for you. >> "Tales from the Wood" >> "More Tales from the Wood" >> "Tales from Beyond the Wood" >> https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ >>=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Mar 19 07:16:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D77B13128D; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:16:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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d="scan'208";a="537057440" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 19 Mar 2019 14:16:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.10.113] (rtp-jclarke-nitro5.cisco.com [10.118.87.86]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x2JEGHmE024770; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:16:18 GMT To: stefan vallin Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module.all@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org References: <155292844015.26147.11067773612585181394@ietfa.amsl.com> <22EBF1ED-7CE4-4A4F-A105-C76D17D2F2DA@wallan.se> From: Joe Clarke Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=jclarke@cisco.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFx0f7kBEACpXvK/9vZPCzcdpjMCFxTYDJSbYGPBj4jAct6j26evawhP4nQFuk8a/N0T u/l5KhN8nj0F+4wYLBBm/Vq6OYnXcuu/Qnaa5SeN6A8xp0KGFvY81x2BzPMqoM1XLnBAgcHU BlO+OikGlQSouJYagtw1qhlJpmtjwdcJ91Sun5N0SLd8iJVTU2ndCBdlj4PFuDBae9urft7D lkL3sDeAimsnPp8SJF8L2wdMWBXuht666lla+xYzwQ76+ibEmH+zr9Xy3JWySCcS75pbIikj eV/LF/YdyVPr6YGPXawO+srQGiiaqAcUY4oeWYEuFZuG0zGiCDNl106Sc4GVPOTOragqFMZv 1DoFvdaHvmBz3dbKQJ7L+W/paaBxk9F7uu73g9pPWgdio/Bh63iDlEfOm360qIQI3cbisSPF yR9RLnQTUWsy3aolG3NmxSJ+YPDwunNS9soPvPwZixbL6XUy05sUyu6d4lFKMtfo135VJ8N0 SgxNlBn/MZwFsuj66nLq015rz+bud5kz1EIK428q9+Kn4t92uq61oa/9un42qm9Xp/mm4j0J LUdNXXp987F1lZdZltcqkoYlY66OWmUr+YcVB+JAGPCA+C0T7CDjXgxkeyA3/9y7/jtVEDSx UWzCzLhzU/78QqC3NtMyUVRG7feRF0NWRzcc+d4ZEsojicmdEwARAQABtCtKb2UgQ2xhcmtl IChqY2xhcmtlKSAoKSA8amNsYXJrZUBjaXNjby5jb20+iQJOBBMBCAA4FiEE40r9XruLwkD8 nwY9s2u9ges9Y6oFAlx0f7kCGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQs2u9ges9 Y6oT1Q//Vjy5ZVYA2Hy6eDz0jrmdkwQZklLU/MXvRgI8WWj6wGs2JKugdKSkkfwvDbD7Rg7b nqkMaZDcLK5eh/492CcwXwvcJKo/9bH1gUPYcDbu5INahiEagkgOS9GOjuHQs4cVr1JNiExf UZ/UcF0R+agP9jfqlJ7eiUN74w1cddZUfhfM0U0cLJ5TJtTjqnqsOCefNiWBLdSn+9RX8c6y cW77N4TVO6Vtv03SvLs5KniLmb6r7qwg6gkU2Vw6TDCk9UdJWSsKHEiOBmq1aGGmZHfBq9iZ GxwCaEqUBdN438JYN8RJMB2qv7EzTsv+KVz2E96jUBzeWdTFqu2xPikg4mwwUmJ1SAqc6AGI JZ8ICNr50xONoPpfdR+1QQzImnua8TuV28pracEDKex8r/ieDZQh8UyVM3mdGL7RSVa4/+EO iKCVmFfHLdnbuwhJLUhsHOlfeYSmRzmHUwS9K1sERMPUJCImMJUOAynQEoeTuLc6dDWq0oTP 6kJ3my7eMcg5MsFsGob8qtUDujiGof7LKZYHOqwYjCzrK4s4vwyX1Yh228sLRiEuNbCpvlD1 U/iKBv/VL5FMbI1kd0FPXvY+ygW+aobZYUOYXOvvdTeq9phCL2aHa5hHG7QNhSF6NsCuZhg6 mnOFOdAF7imXVmLa6cYEYqV17SGgceDKotNea2AxL965Ag0EXHR/uQEQAOIdXbR7GqhQdITX a+tCgi9r8p0o5e2Q2Rq22YIMR6FiyeWFTO2RQpW2NZW4yDfpGZnvBdFTWB62MWxu5Z7FwA09 ZON0l7c4IK7TFJ7Vx9azx1Ebx7r1p5hcARSmvU4CmlJZGPR0m9b+p9rPx27B5vCIWITQbWB/ PPgbksEdxXYYHCVJCWHk6LxL5iZJFVjoQGvHX/3PtzxByHtnVWQ937PZRCHaSAgERr6qVNWd XaO9ZlHm8l2yqMxKk+LUxOtj0FYY/vVdVwFFaGGkhXzhr4f6FJ7+j6Q+aOBbCvO2z/xfw/mh Tlg8W3cQYFwQcaW//FzdTprIRD8AiBRuEH5daLHZAhqj1M1srMv1SRyE7wu/e233ngUZ7UbZ J52bE2RsmA4sUVQVPB57/mn1U9xXW1pyus0n45sQi0GRsFl8fHujeQeAVPWIZl9AL8FiNlLZ +VDvMV0V24vChwRo7OVgohJNkc9NkIb7zYsv8Hqo2OinXWmQmMsluQzU9nSkGdC2eSgOPzVF fzY1KEcifF5O7A5PH2DPNsC1hPer+4vVZbMEQwW5mBIl04IvuCA3S3j+Vvfj3yyPuhf5ExjM 0YtaP5x0S4pqXVKNhzrHX/YtV13c3BP6Zx56MW2t5KnmV0MF97h2vejh/DHPSymz5blUv2Mr 0kknFYhJ+tp/rqP7B8+HABEBAAGJAjYEGAEIACAWIQTjSv1eu4vCQPyfBj2za72B6z1jqgUC XHR/uQIbDAAKCRCza72B6z1jqpFIEACKHqK4wdmimwJU+uq3HJcDBP12vnISDxkrcq19xWCv 01EWp1DR4izRLJXFIke7jlGk1GWfHKkjpUmkXOdujxYZvrVUXD9BwnNDWfDlZaPgpQNoMIlH Pcnq+MovlsuHiLnA29RRxUfRRn49fnpB4MQhB9tzsHGcghApFxB0h/CLs8ZWLTP6EDyDSNem ynEeJ8YjsbyBDqmAHs/+PS14FS7R6jHW8XNonzu5qKVvwkfA5EAI17CLJWTLkFwa3y7vOL6v x6qsoGNPvN4kolAGhz8cm2zqyZ/ts3paYnjZnBWnziYATv3hZzijcLKlLKBJaP7dUlkdNePN yzLkeN+oCVcz1DTGBhfIzlp+Dk3ySFoV2bYyEqiFmttpaDcBbPoB1LKvVZE/C1/f0Z9Tc0Fi VYQ2R60npDISUCanFF0JsN14PGoJdaV90Ouitr8GBzUJpKXFYi93L4M8gHCnSGWmjqAFGNj9 374pUwI8wbBAK5GI1hmjQZLA1UFM/SJ9J86gBzPUPNFR1xTSU+GTEufGHtcQ7wL42X+xz/lv 2pzhluScPl2WWXnwMSiE1a8AaVIhJvsrHuBxNH2l0RHuknWvJOjKtn6wdvPnEURJMH5dQ0jl QFqXPmJVYpL5AvqTYKXtS0Jy1z9oQN6ZUngZoaIYLDogKSQ9DOYd8WvdmOE24auWtA== Organization: Cisco Message-ID: <15ac10fa-db49-df31-c532-03a3692a2ca2@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 10:16:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22EBF1ED-7CE4-4A4F-A105-C76D17D2F2DA@wallan.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.118.87.86, rtp-jclarke-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-5.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:16:22 -0000 On 3/19/19 10:07, stefan vallin wrote: >> Additionally, some of the features like alarm-history and alarm-shelving have a >> potential operational impact with respect to local server resources, and >> perhaps that's worth calling out. > Good comment: suggested edits > (could of course go somewhere else than in the feature desc) > > feature alarm-history { > description > "This feature indicates that server maintains a history of > state changes for each alarm. For example, if an alarm > toggles between cleared and active 10 times, these state > changes are present in a separate list in the alarm. > ADDED: > The alarm-history feature has an impact on server memory > resources. > "; > } > > > feature alarm-shelving { > description > "This feature indicates that the system supports shelving > (blocking) alarms. > ADDED: > Alarm shelving has an impact on server processing resources > in order to match alarms against shelf criterion"; > } This is a good start, but people will miss this buried in the YANG module. I think it deserves some text in the document itself. With respect to resources, I recommend memory get called out especially since, as I recall, you want all changes to be recorded in the history. > > >> >> The leaf "has-clear" seems like it would read better as "has-cleared" from an >> English standpoint. Thoughts? > Note well that this leaf is for the alarm *inventory*, not the alarm itself. > For the alarm itself the leaf is called "is-cleared". > The alarm inventory lists all candidate alarms and it is important for > operations to know if the server/instrumentation is capable of detecting > and generating alarm clear. So "has-clear" states that a specific alarm-type > will be cleared by the instrumentation when the alarm condition disappears. > I guess "has-clear" works in this context? Got it. I do see the is-cleared, and I got a bit confused here. After re-reading the has-clear leaf definition, I think will-clear makes more sense for this node. >> >> Finally, I can see where it might be desirable to suppress alarm notifications >> without shelving them per se. That is, the alarm remains in the list, but >> notifications are not sent. That doesn't seem possible, and I'm wondering if >> it's worth considering. > It is possible using the /alarms/control/notify-status-changes choice: > leaf notify-all-state-changes { > type empty; > description > "Send notifications for all status changes."; > } > leaf notify-raise-and-clear { > type empty; > description > "Send notifications only for raise, clear, and re-raise. > Notifications for severity level changes or alarm text > changes are not sent."; > } > leaf notify-severity-level { > type severity; > description > "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing > the specified level. Always send clear notifications."; > } > > You could consider turning all of by adding another leaf: > leaf notify-none { > type empty; > description > "Don't send any notifications."; > } > Not sure if that would make sense, recommend to leave that out for further study. > Note well that you can always stop to subscribe to the notification stream. What if I want to control notifications on a per-alarm basis? Like shelving filtering, but keeping the alarms on the list instead of a shelf. 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Thanks for your review, an honour to have RFC 3877 in the loop :) See inline br Stefan >=20 >=20 > Major issues: >=20 > 1. The definition of Alarm is key for the whole model. It reads like = this: > Alarm (the general concept): An alarm signifies an undesirable state = in a > resource that requires corrective action. >=20 > However, RFC 3877 already defined a number of concepts including: > Error > A deviation of a system from normal operation. >=20 > Fault > Lasting error or warning condition. >=20 > .... >=20 > Alarm > Persistent indication of a fault. >=20 > I believe that there is a need to show why the model defined by RFC = 3877 needs > to be changed, and why the difference that RFC 3877 was making between = a Fault > and an Alarm is no longer needed. Good comment, you are right, and we need to keep the distinction between = fault and alarm. That distinction is used in X.733, 3GPP IRP and others. The general = pattern is that =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D refers to what is really broken, and the alarm the manifestation of that = underlying cause.=20 There is not a simple 1-1 relationship between a fault and an alarm * 1 fault may have many alarms due to limited root cause capabilities of = the system * There might be no underlying fault to an alarm, consider a non-optimal = QoS configuration=20 which gives bad quality in VOIP calls. Certainly a MOS alarm from the = VOIP probe, but there is no =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D as such (if you do not consider a = non-optimal config as a fault) So X.733 X.733 fault: The physical or algorithmic cause of a malfunction 3GPP fault: a deviation of a system from normal operation, which may = result in the loss of operational capabilities of the element or the = loss of redundancy in case of a redundant configuration I suggest we add the following to terminology: Fault: the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour If we then turn to the term =E2=80=9Calarm". I have added two aspects to = the definition of an alarm: An alarm signifies an *undesirable state* in a resource that *requires = corrective action*. Mostly based on the alarm standardization work in the process industry = (see draft references). 1) Rather than =E2=80=9Cdeviation from normal=E2=80=9D, we say = =E2=80=9Cundesirable=E2=80=9D, subtle difference. In IT environments it is easier to define what is normal, a normal = load to a web server. And anything deviation from that normal load could be an alarm. In networking, things are more dynamic, and deviation from normal = might be the desired state. So the definition stresses the fact that it is an undesired state, not = just deviation from normal. 2) Adding the requirement that an alarm per definition should require an = action. This is a sound requirement that puts requirements on what qualifies as an alarm and = limits the amounts of alarms. (See for example the EEMUA, and ISA182 references in the draft). The = 3GPP Alarm standard also added this to their definition at the later revisions to address = the alarm overload problem. > Also, RFC 3877 defined in Section 3 a > Framework and an Architecture that was consistent with X.733. This = document has > no such section, and while acknowledging the need for a mapping to = X.733 it > states as a goal: > Mapping to X.733, which is a requirement for some alarm systems. = Still, keep > some of the X.733 concepts out of the core model in order to make the = model > small and easy to understand >=20 > More details about what is left out and why these are not needed would = help. The alarm YANG model does not *require* the X.733 parameter definitions of for example probable-cause enum values. Today, most = networking devices=20 and management systems do not rely on those enumerations. Those are defined in the X733 augmentation module in order to keep the = core model as small and useful as possible. X733 requirements come more often from = telecom environments. =20 >=20 > Minor issues: >=20 > 1. Section 2 makes a statement that includes > ... While IETF has not really addressed alarm management >=20 > This is is actually not accurate. RFC 3877 addressed Alarm Management. = Maybe > there is a need to revise that approach, but this should be done = explicitly, > not by stating that it did not exist. Correct, bad wording. OLD TEXT: Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G. While IETF has not really addressed alarm management, telecom standards has addressed it purely from a protocol perspective. The process industry has published several relevant standards addressing requirements for a useful alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182]. This alarm module defines usability requirements as well as a YANG data model. SUGGESTION: Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G. While IETF and telecom standards have addressed alarms mostly from a=20 protocol perspective, the process industry has published=20 several relevant standards addressing requirements for a useful=20 alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182]. This alarm module defines usability requirements as well as a YANG data model. >=20 > 2. Section 3.5: > Closing an alarm implies that the operator considers the corrective = action > performed. >=20 > Is this always true? The undesirable state may have been cancelled by = some > other event than corrective action, for example the resource is no = longer used, > or the time elapsed mat have made the undesirable state irrelevant. I think it is important to keep the two perspectives in mind. An = operator closing an alarm is only a flag from the operations team that the alarm does not = need an action. It might be cleared or not cleared by the system. So in your first example, the alarm is probably cleared by the = instrumentation,=20 correlating =E2=80=9Cthe other event=E2=80=9D. If the resource is no longer used a shelf should be created. If time has passed, depends, =E2=80=A6. >=20 > 3. In section 3.5.1: > Alarms are not cleared by operators, only the underlying = instrumentation can > clear an alarm. Operators can close alarms. >=20 > So, the document makes a distinction between clearing an alarm and = closing an > alarm. It may be good to define two two concepts to make the = distinction clear. Good point! Suggested terminology additions: * Cleared alarm: a cleared alarm is an alarm where the system/server = considers the undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not clear alarms, clearance = is managed by the system. A linkUp notification can be considered a clear condition = for a linkDown state. * Closed alarm: operators can close alarms irrespective of the alarm = being cleared or not. A closed alarm indicates that the alarm does not need attention, either = since the corrective action has been taken or that it can be ignored for other reasons. >=20 > 4. Appendix F.1: > The alarm MIB is state oriented rather than notification oriented, an = alarm > is a "lasting condition", not a discrete notification reporting about = a > condition state change. Good catch, will rephrase, the alarm MIB and the alarm YANG has a = stateful view of alarms, not notification-focused. Suggested change: OLD RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". This is problematic, since this might not require an operator action. The alarm = MIB is state=20 oriented rather than notification oriented, an alarm is a "lasting = condition", not a=20 discrete notification reporting about a condition state change. NEW: RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". The Alarm YANG model adds the requirement that it should require an corrective action = and should be undesired,=20 not only a deviation from normal. The alarm MIB is state oriented in the = same way as the Alarm YANG, it focuses on the "lasting condition", not the individual = notifications. >=20 > I am not sure that I understand this comment. Alarm states are defined = also in > this document, and Alarms as defined here are also different than ' a = discrete > notification reporting about a condition state change'. 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For example, if an alarm >> toggles between cleared and active 10 times, these state >> changes are present in a separate list in the alarm. >> ADDED: >> The alarm-history feature has an impact on server memory=20 >> resources. =20 >> "; >> } >>=20 >>=20 >> feature alarm-shelving { >> description >> "This feature indicates that the system supports shelving >> (blocking) alarms. >> ADDED: >> Alarm shelving has an impact on server processing resources >> in order to match alarms against shelf criterion"; >> } >=20 > This is a good start, but people will miss this buried in the YANG > module. I think it deserves some text in the document itself. With > respect to resources, I recommend memory get called out especially > since, as I recall, you want all changes to be recorded in the = history. Ok, I called out memory for alarm-history in my suggested edit above. For alarm shelving it will mostly be processing resources and not memory=20= since the shelved alarms would anyhow stay in the larm list if not = shelved. I will suggest a text snippet in the document as well.=20 >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> The leaf "has-clear" seems like it would read better as = "has-cleared" from an >>> English standpoint. Thoughts? >> Note well that this leaf is for the alarm *inventory*, not the alarm = itself. >> For the alarm itself the leaf is called "is-cleared". >> The alarm inventory lists all candidate alarms and it is important = for >> operations to know if the server/instrumentation is capable of = detecting >> and generating alarm clear. So "has-clear" states that a specific = alarm-type >> will be cleared by the instrumentation when the alarm condition = disappears. >> I guess "has-clear" works in this context? >=20 > Got it. I do see the is-cleared, and I got a bit confused here. = After > re-reading the has-clear leaf definition, I think will-clear makes = more > sense for this node. Ok, we will consider change to "will-clear" >=20 >>>=20 >>> Finally, I can see where it might be desirable to suppress alarm = notifications >>> without shelving them per se. That is, the alarm remains in the = list, but >>> notifications are not sent. That doesn't seem possible, and I'm = wondering if >>> it's worth considering. >> It is possible using the /alarms/control/notify-status-changes = choice: >> leaf notify-all-state-changes { >> type empty; >> description >> "Send notifications for all status changes."; >> } >> leaf notify-raise-and-clear { >> type empty; >> description >> "Send notifications only for raise, clear, and = re-raise. >> Notifications for severity level changes or alarm text >> changes are not sent."; >> } >> leaf notify-severity-level { >> type severity; >> description >> "Only send notifications for alarm state changes = crossing >> the specified level. Always send clear = notifications."; >> } >>=20 >> You could consider turning all of by adding another leaf: >> leaf notify-none { >> type empty; >> description >> "Don't send any notifications."; >> } >> Not sure if that would make sense, recommend to leave that out for = further study. >> Note well that you can always stop to subscribe to the notification = stream. >=20 > What if I want to control notifications on a per-alarm basis? Like > shelving filtering, but keeping the alarms on the list instead of a = shelf. >=20 We have excluded that by design. If we introduce too flexible = notification filtering and at the same time support alarm shelving it will be hard to understand what is going = on at the end, with these two mechanisms interfering. We had a fairly long thread in the CCAMP = mailing group where we ended up where we are right now. /stefan > Joe From nobody Tue Mar 19 08:23:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653761313E7; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CAL0N7laa3iq; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 997441313E6; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <556B8CFB-E3E0-44AB-B82B-9E60CE4C0FF5@wallan.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.118.87.86, rtp-jclarke-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-1.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 15:23:06 -0000 On 3/19/19 11:16, stefan vallin wrote: > Hi! > >> On 19 Mar 2019, at 15:16, Joe Clarke wrote: >> >> On 3/19/19 10:07, stefan vallin wrote: >>>> Additionally, some of the features like alarm-history and alarm-shelving have a >>>> potential operational impact with respect to local server resources, and >>>> perhaps that's worth calling out. >>> Good comment: suggested edits >>> (could of course go somewhere else than in the feature desc) >>> >>> feature alarm-history { >>> description >>> "This feature indicates that server maintains a history of >>> state changes for each alarm. For example, if an alarm >>> toggles between cleared and active 10 times, these state >>> changes are present in a separate list in the alarm. >>> ADDED: >>> The alarm-history feature has an impact on server memory >>> resources. >>> "; >>> } >>> >>> >>> feature alarm-shelving { >>> description >>> "This feature indicates that the system supports shelving >>> (blocking) alarms. >>> ADDED: >>> Alarm shelving has an impact on server processing resources >>> in order to match alarms against shelf criterion"; >>> } >> >> This is a good start, but people will miss this buried in the YANG >> module. I think it deserves some text in the document itself. With >> respect to resources, I recommend memory get called out especially >> since, as I recall, you want all changes to be recorded in the history. > Ok, I called out memory for alarm-history in my suggested edit above. > For alarm shelving it will mostly be processing resources and not memory > since the shelved alarms would anyhow stay in the larm list if not shelved. > I will suggest a text snippet in the document as well. Sorry. I thought I had seen memory, but I got a bit distracted. Thanks for drafting some supporting text. >> What if I want to control notifications on a per-alarm basis? Like >> shelving filtering, but keeping the alarms on the list instead of a shelf. >> > We have excluded that by design. If we introduce too flexible notification filtering and at the same > time support alarm shelving it will be hard to understand what is going on at the end, with these > two mechanisms interfering. We had a fairly long thread in the CCAMP mailing group where we ended > up where we are right now. Okay. The fact that shelving without history wouldn't be too much different than per-alarm suppression us likely sufficient. I was trying to think through some of the operational use cases I have. Do you envision a non-shelved alarm to periodically generate notifications while active, or is it one-and-done? 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Oh yes, see 3.5.1. Resource Alarm Life-Cycle =46rom a resource perspective, an alarm can for example have the following life-cycle: raise, change severity, change severity, clear, being raised again etc. All of these status changes can have=20 different alarm texts generated by the instrumentation That is the purpose of having the resource and alarm-type as key As long as you do not purge (delete) the alarm it can change: * severity * alarm-text * is-cleared Each of the generating a notification. If that was your question=E2=80=A6. /s --Apple-Mail=_0CFCB043-B088-4F0D-B50C-5ECA12818178 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi!

On 19 Mar 2019, at 16:23, Joe Clarke <jclarke@cisco.com> = wrote:

Do you
envision a non-shelved alarm to = periodically generate notifications
while active, or is it = one-and-done?
Oh yes, see
3.5.1.  Resource Alarm Life-Cycle
   =46rom a resource = perspective, an alarm can for example have the
 =  following life-cycle: raise, change severity, change severity, = clear,
   being raised again etc. =  All of these status changes can have 
   different alarm texts generated by the = instrumentation


That is the purpose of having the resource and = alarm-type as key
As long as you do not purge (delete) the = alarm it can change:
* severity
* = alarm-text
* is-cleared

Each= of the generating a notification.

If that was your question=E2=80=A6.
=
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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <425F5BB9-DAF8-401C-A048-5BC00BD9EC23@wallan.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.118.87.86, rtp-jclarke-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 15:35:19 -0000 On 3/19/19 11:30, stefan vallin wrote: > Hi! > >> On 19 Mar 2019, at 16:23, Joe Clarke > > wrote: >> >> Do you >> envision a non-shelved alarm to periodically generate notifications >> while active, or is it one-and-done? > Oh yes, see > 3.5.1.  Resource Alarm Life-Cycle > >    From a resource perspective, an alarm can for example have the >    following life-cycle: raise, change severity, change severity, clear, >    being raised again etc.  All of these status changes can have  >    different alarm texts generated by the instrumentation > > > That is the purpose of having the resource and alarm-type as key > As long as you do not purge (delete) the alarm it can change: > * severity > * alarm-text > * is-cleared > > Each of the generating a notification. > > If that was your question…. Not exactly. I saw the life-cycle stuff -- and this edge trigger makes sense -- but I was asking that if the state is raise, will multiple notifications be sent for raise (or could multiple, periodic notifications be sent)? For example, while status is "raise" and without any other change, send a notification every five minutes. And now that you call out this text, "change severity" is listed twice :-). 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Like draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang, it clearly fills a hole. If both these drafts get adopted, I think bringing consistency on good ideas from both will be straightforward. Thanks, Julien On 11/03/2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > > Working group, > >   > > We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and we’re ready > to start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP). > >   > > This starts a two weeks poll on making  > *draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 *a CCAMP working group > document. > > Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support" and a motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not > support" and nice to have for the "support". > >   > > The polling will end on *Monday March 25^th * .. > >   > > Thanks, > > Daniele & Fatai > >   > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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[95.155.237.105]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c1sm2779361lfk.79.2019.03.19.10.00.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Mar 2019 10:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: stefan vallin X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16C101) In-Reply-To: <91fa8482-9f24-513d-1b37-fba6ff73b6f8@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 18:00:25 +0100 Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module.all@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1A78CDC1-3F04-43DA-A3A4-E8D1C13520C8@wallan.se> References: <155292844015.26147.11067773612585181394@ietfa.amsl.com> <22EBF1ED-7CE4-4A4F-A105-C76D17D2F2DA@wallan.se> <15ac10fa-db49-df31-c532-03a3692a2ca2@cisco.com> <556B8CFB-E3E0-44AB-B82B-9E60CE4C0FF5@wallan.se> <0b559129-fc1f-c4b0-eaf6-4a03780e93f1@cisco.com> <425F5BB9-DAF8-401C-A048-5BC00BD9EC23@wallan.se> <91fa8482-9f24-513d-1b37-fba6ff73b6f8@cisco.com> To: Joe Clarke Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 17:00:33 -0000 Hi! > > Not exactly. I saw the life-cycle stuff -- and this edge trigger makes > sense -- but I was asking that if the state is raise, will multiple > notifications be sent for raise (or could multiple, periodic > notifications be sent)? For example, while status is "raise" and > without any other change, send a notification every five minutes. Ah, ok. Notifications are only sent for changes not repeated for same state > > And now that you call out this text, "change severity" is listed twice :-). Yes, intended :) Could be minor, major, minor, major for example. 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julien, all, I concur with you that it would be the best to also adopt draft-lee-ccamp-o= ptical-impairment-topology-yang asap and make sure that both drafts are wel= l aligned and consistent. Both drafts may share the same types/groupings (intention of ietf-layer0-ty= pes?). Probably layer0-types should be put in a separate draft like te-type= s (TEAS). Other drafts on the CCAMP agenda should be based on layer0-types as well. Let's discuss this during the CCAMP session next Mon at IETF 104 in Prague. Thanks, Dieter On 19.03.2019 17:29, julien.meuric@orange.com wrote: Hi all, I support the adoption of the I-D. Like draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang, it clearly fills a hole. If both these drafts get adopted, I think bringing consistency on good ideas from both will be straightforward. Thanks, Julien On 11/03/2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Working group, We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and we=92re ready to start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP). This starts a two weeks poll on making *draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 *a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and nice to have for the "support". The polling will end on *Monday March 25^th * .. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been = modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --_000_cd7d219a0129f4f1f773b0136b21e57dnokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julien, all,

I concur with you that it would be the best to also adopt draft-lee-ccamp-o= ptical-impairment-topology-yang asap and make sure that both drafts are wel= l aligned
and consistent.

Both drafts may share the same types/groupings (intention of ietf-layer0-types?). Probably layer0-types should be put in a= separate draft like te-types (TEAS).
Other drafts on the CCAMP agenda should be based on layer0-types as well. <= br>
Let's discuss this during the CCAMP session next Mon at IETF 104 in Prague.=


Thanks,
Dieter


On 19.03.2019 17:29, julien.meuric@orange.com wrote:
Hi all,

I support the adoption of the I-D. Like
draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang, it clearly fills a
hole. If both these drafts get adopted, I think bringing consistency on
good ideas from both will be straightforward.

Thanks,

Julien


On 11/03/2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:

Working group,

 

We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and we=92re ready
to start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP).

 

This starts a two weeks poll on making 
*draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 *a CCAMP working group
document.

Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "n=
o/do not
support" and a motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the &quo=
t;not
support" and nice to have for the "support".

 

The polling will end on *Monday March 25^th * ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai

 



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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_03B4_01D4DE7E.5351C3A0" ------=_NextPart_001_03B4_01D4DE7E.5351C3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dieter, Thanks for raising this up. We'll discuss during the CCAMP session in Prague. The issues you're raising are very valid and need to be addressed, and I agree with Julien on the fact that the solution is quite straightforward. * How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology draft has a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the if-param draft. >This is simple. My suggestion would be to focus on the interface on one draft and topology on the other. * The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to address optical transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 options! >I don't like many options. Let's see which ones to go for and then move them to the interface draft. * If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model, an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in the topology YANG from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency is really a must. >totally agree. BR Daniele From: Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: den 15 mars 2019 18:11 To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) ; Fatai Zhang Cc: Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 Daniele & Fatai, WG, before replying to the WG adoption poll, I would like to raise a concern: draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 is IMHO opinion overlapping with draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 that also defines a YANG model including optical transponder properties (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang -01#section-2.5 and the related YANG model attributes). As there is a lot of interest in draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 on the vendor as well as operator side ( we had weekly calls in the last weeks), the authors are of the opinion that this draft shall also become a WG draft asap. This is something that should be discussed during the CCAMP session at IETF 104 in Prague. The concerns are: * How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology draft has a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the if-param draft. * The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to address optical transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 options! * If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model, an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in the topology YANG from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency is really a must. Guidance from the chairs is appreciated. Thanks, Sergio and Dieter On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Working group, We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and we're ready to start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP). This starts a two weeks poll on making draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and nice to have for the "support". The polling will end on Monday March 25th .. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp ------=_NextPart_001_03B4_01D4DE7E.5351C3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Dieter,

 

Thanks = for raising this up. We’ll discuss during the CCAMP session in = Prague.

The issues you’re raising are very = valid and need to be addressed, and I agree with Julien on the fact that = the solution is quite straightforward.

 

  • How do we ensure consistency between the = two drafts? The topology draft has a wider scope but deals with the same = information contained in the if-param = draft.

>This is simple. My suggestion would be to = focus on the interface on one draft and topology on the = other.

  • The topology draft also defines 2 = additional options to address optical transponder properties - the = if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 = options!

>I don’t like many options. = Let’s see which ones to go for and then move them to the interface = draft.

  • If = draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model, an = SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in = the topology YANG
    from the device in order to construct the topology. = Hence model consistency is really a must.

>totally agree.

BR

 

Daniele  =

 

From: Beller, = Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <dieter.beller@nokia.com> =
Sent: den 15 mars 2019 18:11
To: Daniele Ceccarelli = <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) = <ccamp@ietf.org>; Fatai Zhang = <zhangfatai@huawei.com>
Cc: Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - = IT/Vimercate) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: = [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on = draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06

 

Daniele = & Fatai, WG,

before replying to the WG adoption poll, I would = like to raise a = concern:

draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 is IMHO = opinion overlapping with = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 that also defines a = YANG model including
optical transponder properties (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-ccamp-o= ptical-impairment-topology-yang-01#section-2.5 and the related YANG = model attributes).

As there is a lot of interest in = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 on the vendor as = well as operator side ( we had weekly calls in the last weeks), the = authors
are of the opinion that this draft shall also become a WG = draft asap. This is something that should be discussed during the CCAMP = session at IETF 104  in Prague.

The concerns are:

  • How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The = topology draft has a wider scope but deals with the same information = contained in the if-param draft.
  • The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to = address optical transponder properties - the if-param draft only = supports 1 out of 3 options!
  • If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a = device model, an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the = information defined in the topology YANG
    from the device in order to = construct the topology. Hence model consistency is really a = must.

Guidance from the chairs is = appreciated.


Thanks,
Sergio and = Dieter

On 11.03.2019 = 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:

Working = group,

 

We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and = we’re ready to start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts = (YANG and LMP).

 

This starts a two weeks poll on making  = draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 a CCAMP working group = document.

Please send email to the list indicating = "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a = motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not = support" and nice to have for the = "support".

 

The polling will end on Monday March 25th = ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai

 

 



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exactly. I saw the life-cycle stuff -- and this edge trigger makes >> sense -- but I was asking that if the state is raise, will multiple >> notifications be sent for raise (or could multiple, periodic >> notifications be sent)? For example, while status is "raise" and >> without any other change, send a notification every five minutes. > Ah, ok. > Notifications are only sent for changes not repeated for same state Okay. Takes care of that line of thinking. In general, what about shelving for a time window? Is it envisioned the Management System would enable and disable shelving during maintenance windows? >> >> And now that you call out this text, "change severity" is listed twice :-). > Yes, intended :) > Could be minor, major, minor, major for example. > Imagine a set of thresholds Ah, it's a sample life-cycle, not a list. 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniele, all, I think that a discussion during the CCAMP session in Prague is probably th= e most efficient way going forward. Just one remark regarding the 3 options without going into the technical de= tails here: I had the feeling that there was consensus at the end of our di= scussion that all 3 options have value and we leave it up to the operator to select which= option is preferred from a network operations perspective. This may differ= from operator to operator. The 3 options and their pros and cons were discussed comprehen= sively. So, I am not sure whether it is wise to remove one or even two. Thanks, Dieter On 19.03.2019 18:05, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Hi Dieter, Thanks for raising this up. We=92ll discuss during the CCAMP session in Pra= gue. The issues you=92re raising are very valid and need to be addressed, and I = agree with Julien on the fact that the solution is quite straightforward. * How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology dra= ft has a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the i= f-param draft. >This is simple. My suggestion would be to focus on the interface on one dr= aft and topology on the other. * The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to address optic= al transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 opt= ions! >I don=92t like many options. Let=92s see which ones to go for and then mov= e them to the interface draft. * If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model,= an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in t= he topology YANG from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must. >totally agree. BR Daniele From: Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: den 15 mars 2019 18:11 To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) ; Fatai Zhang Cc: Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-= yang-06 Daniele & Fatai, WG, before replying to the WG adoption poll, I would like to raise a concern: draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 is IMHO opinion overlapping with = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 that also defines a YAN= G model including optical transponder properties (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-c= camp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01#section-2.5 and the related YANG m= odel attributes). As there is a lot of interest in draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topolog= y-yang-01 on the vendor as well as operator side ( we had weekly calls in t= he last weeks), the authors are of the opinion that this draft shall also become a WG draft asap. This = is something that should be discussed during the CCAMP session at IETF 104 = in Prague. The concerns are: * How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology dra= ft has a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the i= f-param draft. * The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to address optic= al transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 opt= ions! * If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model,= an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in t= he topology YANG from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must. Guidance from the chairs is appreciated. Thanks, Sergio and Dieter On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Working group, We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and we=92re ready to = start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP). This starts a two weeks poll on making draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-y= ang-06 a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not suppor= t" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and ni= ce to have for the "support". The polling will end on Monday March 25th .. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp -- Dieter Beller Open Agent & Routing Project Manager IP/Optical Networks, Optics, Nokia m : +49 175 7266874 | j: 8831186 Dieter.Beller@nokia.com Nokia Solutions and Networks GmbH & Co. KG Lorenzstr. 10, 70435 Stuttgart Sitz der Gesellschaft: M=FCnchen / Registered office: Munich Registergericht: M=FCnchen / Commercial registry: Munich, HRA 88537 WEEE-Reg.-Nr.: DE 52984304 Pers=F6nlich haftende Gesellschafterin / General Partner: Nokia Solutions a= nd Networks Management GmbH Gesch=E4ftsleitung / Board of Directors: Dr. Wolfgang Hackenberg, Ralf Nied= erberger Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats / Chairman of supervisory board: Hans-J=FCrg= en Bill Sitz der Gesellschaft: M=FCnchen / Registered office: Munich Registergericht: M=FCnchen / Commercial registry: Munich, HRB 163416 This e-mail and its attachments, if any, may contain confidential informati= on. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us and delete or d= estroy the e-mail and its attachments, if any, immediately. If you have received this e-mail in error, you must not forward or make use= of the e-mail and its attachments, if any. --_000_6db36290036578bfaf4af5e3064609f7nokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <895081C1223E3042ABDEA0DD12D82591@eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniele, all,

I think that a discussion during the CCAMP session in Prague is probably th= e most efficient way going forward.

Just one remark regarding the 3 options without going into the technical de= tails here: I had the feeling that there was consensus at the end of our di= scussion that
all 3 options have value and we leave it up to the operator to select which= option is preferred from a network operations perspective. This may differ= from operator
to operator. The 3 options and their pros and cons were discussed comprehen= sively. So, I am not sure whether it is wise to remove one or even two.


Thanks,
Dieter


On 19.03.2019 18:05, Daniele Ceccarelli wrot= e:

Hi Dieter,

 

Than= ks for raising this up. We=92ll discuss during the CCAMP session in Prague.=

The = issues you=92re raising are very valid and need to be addressed, and I agre= e with Julien on the fact that the solution is quite straightforward.

 

  • How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? T= he topology draft has a wider scope but deals with the same information con= tained in the if-param draft.

>This is simple. My suggestion would be to focus on= the interface on one draft and topology on the other.

  • The topology draft also defines 2 additional options t= o address optical transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports= 1 out of 3 options!

>I don=92t like many options. Let=92s see which one= s to go for and then move them to the interface draft.

  • If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining = a device model, an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the informati= on defined in the topology YANG
    from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must.

>totally agree.

BR

 

Daniele 

 

From: Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) = <dieter.beller@nokia.com>
Sent: den 15 mars 2019 18:11
To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp= @ietf.org>; Fatai Zhang &l= t;zhangfatai@huawei.com>
Cc: Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if= -param-yang-06

 

Daniele & Fatai, WG,

before replying to the WG adoption poll, I would like to raise a concern:
draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 is IMHO opinion overlapping with = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 that also defines a YAN= G model including
optical transponder properties (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yan= g-01#section-2.5 and the related YANG model attributes).

As there is a lot of interest in draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topolog= y-yang-01 on the vendor as well as operator side ( we had weekly calls in t= he last weeks), the authors
are of the opinion that this draft shall also become a WG draft asap. This = is something that should be discussed during the CCAMP session at IETF 104&= nbsp; in Prague.

The concerns are:=

  • How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology draft has= a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the if-para= m draft.
  • The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to address optical tra= nsponder properties - the if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 options!<= o:p>
  • If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model, an SD= N controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in the top= ology YANG
    from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must.

Guidance from the cha= irs is appreciated.


Thanks,
Sergio and Dieter

On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:<= /o:p>

Working group,

 

We finally managed to collec= t all the IPR disclosures and we=92re ready to start the WG adoption poll f= or the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP).

 

This starts a two weeks poll= on making  draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 a CCAMP working group docu= ment.

Please send email to the lis= t indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a= motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not support"= and nice to have for the "support".

 

The polling will end on M= onday March 25th ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai=

 

 



_______________________________________________
CCAMP mailing list
CCAMP@ietf.=
org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp

 <= /o:p>


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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniele, all, I think that a discussion during the CCAMP session in Prague is probably th= e most efficient way going forward. Just one remark regarding the 3 options without going into the technical de= tails here: I had the feeling that there was consensus at the end of our di= scussion that all 3 options have value and we leave it up to the operator to select which= option is preferred from a network operations perspective. This may differ= from operator to operator. The 3 options and their pros and cons were discussed comprehen= sively. So, I am not sure whether it is wise to remove one or even two. Thanks, Dieter On 19.03.2019 18:05, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Hi Dieter, Thanks for raising this up. We=92ll discuss during the CCAMP session in Pra= gue. The issues you=92re raising are very valid and need to be addressed, and I = agree with Julien on the fact that the solution is quite straightforward. * How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology dra= ft has a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the i= f-param draft. >This is simple. My suggestion would be to focus on the interface on one dr= aft and topology on the other. * The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to address optic= al transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 opt= ions! >I don=92t like many options. Let=92s see which ones to go for and then mov= e them to the interface draft. * If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model,= an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in t= he topology YANG from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must. >totally agree. BR Daniele From: Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: den 15 mars 2019 18:11 To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) ; Fatai Zhang Cc: Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-= yang-06 Daniele & Fatai, WG, before replying to the WG adoption poll, I would like to raise a concern: draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 is IMHO opinion overlapping with = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 that also defines a YAN= G model including optical transponder properties (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-c= camp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01#section-2.5 and the related YANG m= odel attributes). As there is a lot of interest in draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topolog= y-yang-01 on the vendor as well as operator side ( we had weekly calls in t= he last weeks), the authors are of the opinion that this draft shall also become a WG draft asap. This = is something that should be discussed during the CCAMP session at IETF 104 = in Prague. The concerns are: * How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology dra= ft has a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the i= f-param draft. * The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to address optic= al transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 opt= ions! * If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model,= an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in t= he topology YANG from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must. Guidance from the chairs is appreciated. Thanks, Sergio and Dieter On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Working group, We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and we=92re ready to = start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP). This starts a two weeks poll on making draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-y= ang-06 a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not suppor= t" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and ni= ce to have for the "support". The polling will end on Monday March 25th .. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --_000_5a01ca19b8353439e0887001c7b4e86fnokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <201F6E0D5CE7874B84411E5B1EDCC0A2@eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniele, all,

I think that a discussion during the CCAMP session in Prague is probably th= e most efficient way going forward.

Just one remark regarding the 3 options without going into the technical de= tails here: I had the feeling that there was consensus at the end of our di= scussion that
all 3 options have value and we leave it up to the operator to select which= option is preferred from a network operations perspective. This may differ= from operator
to operator. The 3 options and their pros and cons were discussed comprehen= sively. So, I am not sure whether it is wise to remove one or even two.


Thanks,
Dieter


On 19.03.2019 18:05, Daniele Ceccarelli wrot= e:

Hi Dieter,

 

Than= ks for raising this up. We=92ll discuss during the CCAMP session in Prague.=

The = issues you=92re raising are very valid and need to be addressed, and I agre= e with Julien on the fact that the solution is quite straightforward.

 

  • How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? T= he topology draft has a wider scope but deals with the same information con= tained in the if-param draft.

>This is simple. My suggestion would be to focus on= the interface on one draft and topology on the other.

  • The topology draft also defines 2 additional options t= o address optical transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports= 1 out of 3 options!

>I don=92t like many options. Let=92s see which one= s to go for and then move them to the interface draft.

  • If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining = a device model, an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the informati= on defined in the topology YANG
    from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must.

>totally agree.

BR

 

Daniele 

 

From: Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) = <dieter.beller@nokia.com>
Sent: den 15 mars 2019 18:11
To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp= @ietf.org>; Fatai Zhang &l= t;zhangfatai@huawei.com>
Cc: Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if= -param-yang-06

 

Daniele & Fatai, WG,

before replying to the WG adoption poll, I would like to raise a concern:
draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 is IMHO opinion overlapping with = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 that also defines a YAN= G model including
optical transponder properties (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yan= g-01#section-2.5 and the related YANG model attributes).

As there is a lot of interest in draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topolog= y-yang-01 on the vendor as well as operator side ( we had weekly calls in t= he last weeks), the authors
are of the opinion that this draft shall also become a WG draft asap. This = is something that should be discussed during the CCAMP session at IETF 104&= nbsp; in Prague.

The concerns are:=

  • How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? The topology draft has= a wider scope but deals with the same information contained in the if-para= m draft.
  • The topology draft also defines 2 additional options to address optical tra= nsponder properties - the if-param draft only supports 1 out of 3 options!<= o:p>
  • If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining a device model, an SD= N controller must be capable to retrieve the information defined in the top= ology YANG
    from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must.

Guidance from the cha= irs is appreciated.


Thanks,
Sergio and Dieter

On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:<= /o:p>

Working group,

 

We finally managed to collec= t all the IPR disclosures and we=92re ready to start the WG adoption poll f= or the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP).

 

This starts a two weeks poll= on making  draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 a CCAMP working group docu= ment.

Please send email to the lis= t indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a= motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not support"= and nice to have for the "support".

 

The polling will end on M= onday March 25th ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai=

 

 



_______________________________________________
CCAMP mailing list
CCAMP@ietf.=
org
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I am comfortable with your proposals. If your AD agrees, I would include these in a revised version before submission to the approval of the IESG. Regards, Dan On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM stefan vallin wrote: > Hi Dan! > Thanks for your review, an honour to have RFC 3877 in the loop :) > See inline > br Stefan > > > > > > > > Major issues: > > > > 1. The definition of Alarm is key for the whole model. It reads like > this: > > Alarm (the general concept): An alarm signifies an undesirable state in= a > > resource that requires corrective action. > > > > However, RFC 3877 already defined a number of concepts including: > > Error > > A deviation of a system from normal operation. > > > > Fault > > Lasting error or warning condition. > > > > .... > > > > Alarm > > Persistent indication of a fault. > > > > I believe that there is a need to show why the model defined by RFC 387= 7 > needs > > to be changed, and why the difference that RFC 3877 was making between = a > Fault > > and an Alarm is no longer needed. > > Good comment, you are right, and we need to keep the distinction between > fault and alarm. > That distinction is used in X.733, 3GPP IRP and others. The general > pattern is that =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D > refers to what is really broken, and the alarm the manifestation of that > underlying cause. > There is not a simple 1-1 relationship between a fault and an alarm > * 1 fault may have many alarms due to limited root cause capabilities of > the system > * There might be no underlying fault to an alarm, consider a non-optimal > QoS configuration > which gives bad quality in VOIP calls. Certainly a MOS alarm from the > VOIP probe, but there > is no =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D as such (if you do not consider a non-opt= imal config as a > fault) > > So X.733 > X.733 fault: The physical or algorithmic cause of a malfunction > 3GPP fault: a deviation of a system from normal operation, which may > result in the loss of operational capabilities of the element or the loss > of redundancy in case of a redundant configuration > > I suggest we add the following to terminology: > Fault: the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour > > If we then turn to the term =E2=80=9Calarm". I have added two aspects to = the > definition of an alarm: > > An alarm signifies an *undesirable state* in a resource that *requires > corrective action*. > > Mostly based on the alarm standardization work in the process industry > (see draft references). > > 1) Rather than =E2=80=9Cdeviation from normal=E2=80=9D, we say =E2=80=9Cu= ndesirable=E2=80=9D, subtle > difference. > In IT environments it is easier to define what is normal, a normal load > to a web server. > And anything deviation from that normal load could be an alarm. > In networking, things are more dynamic, and deviation from normal might > be the desired state. > So the definition stresses the fact that it is an undesired state, not > just deviation from normal. > > 2) Adding the requirement that an alarm per definition should require an > action. This is a sound > requirement that puts requirements on what qualifies as an alarm and > limits the amounts of alarms. > (See for example the EEMUA, and ISA182 references in the draft). The > 3GPP Alarm standard > also added this to their definition at the later revisions to address > the alarm overload problem. > > > > > > > Also, RFC 3877 defined in Section 3 a > > Framework and an Architecture that was consistent with X.733. This > document has > > no such section, and while acknowledging the need for a mapping to X.73= 3 > it > > states as a goal: > > Mapping to X.733, which is a requirement for some alarm systems. Still, > keep > > some of the X.733 concepts out of the core model in order to make the > model > > small and easy to understand > > > > More details about what is left out and why these are not needed would > help. > The alarm YANG model does not *require* the X.733 parameter > definitions of for example probable-cause enum values. Today, most > networking devices > and management systems do not rely on those enumerations. > > Those are defined in the X733 augmentation module in order to keep the > core model as > small and useful as possible. X733 requirements come more often from > telecom environments. > > > > > > Minor issues: > > > > 1. Section 2 makes a statement that includes > > ... While IETF has not really addressed alarm management > > > > This is is actually not accurate. RFC 3877 addressed Alarm Management. > Maybe > > there is a need to revise that approach, but this should be done > explicitly, > > not by stating that it did not exist. > Correct, bad wording. > OLD TEXT: > Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G. While IETF > has not really addressed alarm management, telecom standards has > addressed it purely from a protocol perspective. The process > industry has published several relevant standards addressing > requirements for a useful alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182]. > This alarm module defines usability requirements as well as a YANG > data model. > SUGGESTION: > Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G. While IETF > and telecom standards have addressed alarms mostly from a > protocol perspective, the process industry has published > several relevant standards addressing requirements for a useful > alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182]. > This alarm module defines usability requirements as well as a YANG > data model. > > > > > 2. Section 3.5: > > Closing an alarm implies that the operator considers the corrective > action > > performed. > > > > Is this always true? The undesirable state may have been cancelled by > some > > other event than corrective action, for example the resource is no > longer used, > > or the time elapsed mat have made the undesirable state irrelevant. > > I think it is important to keep the two perspectives in mind. An operator > closing an > alarm is only a flag from the operations team that the alarm does not nee= d > an action. > It might be cleared or not cleared by the system. > > So in your first example, the alarm is probably cleared by the > instrumentation, > correlating =E2=80=9Cthe other event=E2=80=9D. > > If the resource is no longer used a shelf should be created. > > If time has passed, depends, =E2=80=A6. > > > > > 3. In section 3.5.1: > > Alarms are not cleared by operators, only the underlying instrumentatio= n > can > > clear an alarm. Operators can close alarms. > > > > So, the document makes a distinction between clearing an alarm and > closing an > > alarm. It may be good to define two two concepts to make the distinctio= n > clear. > > Good point! > > Suggested terminology additions: > * Cleared alarm: a cleared alarm is an alarm where the system/server > considers the > undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not clear alarms, clearance > is managed > by the system. A linkUp notification can be considered a clear condition > for a linkDown state. > > * Closed alarm: operators can close alarms irrespective of the alarm bein= g > cleared or not. > A closed alarm indicates that the alarm does not need attention, either > since the corrective > action has been taken or that it can be ignored for other reasons. > > > > > > 4. Appendix F.1: > > The alarm MIB is state oriented rather than notification oriented, an > alarm > > is a "lasting condition", not a discrete notification reporting about a > > condition state change. > Good catch, will rephrase, the alarm MIB and the alarm YANG has a statefu= l > view > of alarms, not notification-focused. > > Suggested change: > OLD > RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal > operation". This is > problematic, since this might not require an operator action. The alarm > MIB is state > oriented rather than notification oriented, an alarm is a "lasting > condition", not a > discrete notification reporting about a condition state change. > NEW: > RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal > operation". The Alarm YANG > model adds the requirement that it should require an corrective action an= d > should be undesired, > not only a deviation from normal. The alarm MIB is state oriented in the > same way as the Alarm YANG, > it focuses on the "lasting condition", not the individual notifications= . > > > > > > I am not sure that I understand this comment. Alarm states are defined > also in > > this document, and Alarms as defined here are also different than ' a > discrete > > notification reporting about a condition state change'. So, what does > this > > comment really try to say? > > > > Nits/editorial comments: > > > > > > --00000000000060daf105847708b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

Thank you fo= r your answer and for addressing my concerns. I am comfortable with your pr= oposals. If your AD agrees, I would include these in a revised version befo= re submission to the approval of the IESG.

Re= gards,

Dan


On Tue, Mar 19, 201= 9 at 5:11 PM stefan vallin <stefan@w= allan.se> wrote:
Hi Dan!
Thanks for your review, an honour to have RFC 3877 in the loop :)
See inline
br Stefan


>
>
> Major issues:
>
> 1. The definition of Alarm is key for the whole model. It reads like t= his:
> Alarm (the general concept): An alarm signifies an undesirable state i= n a
> resource that requires corrective action.
>
> However, RFC 3877 already defined a number of concepts including:
>=C2=A0 Error
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A deviation of a system from normal operation.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Fault
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Lasting error or warning condition.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0....
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Alarm
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Persistent indication of a fault.
>
> I believe that there is a need to show why the model defined by RFC 38= 77 needs
> to be changed, and why the difference that RFC 3877 was making between= a Fault
> and an Alarm is no longer needed.

Good comment, you are right, and we need to keep the distinction between fa= ult and alarm.
That distinction is used in X.733, 3GPP IRP and others. The general pattern= is that =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D
refers to what is really broken, and the alarm the manifestation of that un= derlying cause.
There is not a simple 1-1 relationship between a fault and an alarm
* 1 fault may have many alarms due to limited root cause capabilities of th= e system
* There might be no underlying fault to an alarm, consider a non-optimal Qo= S configuration
=C2=A0 which gives bad quality in VOIP calls. Certainly a MOS alarm from th= e VOIP probe, but there
=C2=A0 is no =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D as such (if you do not consider a non-= optimal config as a fault)

So X.733
X.733 fault: The physical or algorithmic cause of a malfunction
3GPP fault: a deviation of a system from normal operation, which may result= in the loss of operational capabilities of the element or the loss of redu= ndancy in case of a redundant configuration

I suggest we add the following to terminology:
Fault: the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour

If we then turn to the term =E2=80=9Calarm". I have added two aspects = to the definition of an alarm:

An alarm signifies an *undesirable state* in a resource that *requires corr= ective action*.

Mostly based on the alarm standardization work in the process industry (see= draft references).

1) Rather than =E2=80=9Cdeviation from normal=E2=80=9D, we say =E2=80=9Cund= esirable=E2=80=9D, subtle difference.
=C2=A0 In IT environments it is easier to define what is normal, a normal l= oad to a web server.
=C2=A0 And anything deviation from that normal load could be an alarm.
=C2=A0 In networking, things are more dynamic, and deviation from normal mi= ght be the desired state.
=C2=A0 So the definition stresses the fact that it is an undesired state, n= ot just deviation from normal.

2) Adding the requirement that an alarm per definition should require an ac= tion. This is a sound
=C2=A0 requirement that puts requirements on what qualifies as an alarm and= limits the amounts of alarms.
=C2=A0 (See for example the EEMUA, and ISA182 references in the draft). The= 3GPP Alarm standard
=C2=A0 also added this to their definition at the later revisions to addres= s the alarm overload problem.





> Also, RFC 3877 defined in Section 3 a
> Framework and an Architecture that was consistent with X.733. This doc= ument has
> no such section, and while acknowledging the need for a mapping to X.7= 33 it
> states as a goal:
> Mapping to X.733, which is a requirement for some alarm systems. Still= , keep
> some of the X.733 concepts out of the core model in order to make the = model
> small and easy to understand
>
> More details about what is left out and why these are not needed would= help.
The alarm YANG model=C2=A0 does not *require* the X.733 parameter
definitions of for example probable-cause enum values. Today, most networki= ng devices
and management systems do not rely on those enumerations.

Those are defined in the X733 augmentation module in order to keep the core= model as
small and useful as possible. X733 requirements come more often from teleco= m environments.


>
> Minor issues:
>
> 1. Section 2 makes a statement that includes
> ... While IETF has not really addressed alarm management
>
> This is is actually not accurate. RFC 3877 addressed Alarm Management.= Maybe
> there is a need to revise that approach, but this should be done expli= citly,
> not by stating that it did not exist.
Correct, bad wording.
OLD TEXT:
Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G.=C2=A0 While IETF
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 has not really addressed alarm management, telecom sta= ndards has
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 addressed it purely from a protocol perspective.=C2=A0= The process
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 industry has published several relevant standards addr= essing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 requirements for a useful alarm interface; [EEMUA], [I= SA182].
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This alarm module defines usability requirements as we= ll as a YANG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 data model.
SUGGESTION:
Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G.=C2=A0 While IETF
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and telecom standards have addressed alarms mostly fro= m a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 protocol perspective, the process industry has publish= ed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 several relevant standards addressing requirements for= a useful
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182].
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This alarm module defines usability requirements as we= ll as a YANG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 data model.

>
> 2. Section 3.5:
> Closing an alarm implies that the operator considers the corrective ac= tion
> performed.
>
> Is this always true? The undesirable state may have been cancelled by = some
> other event than corrective action, for example the resource is no lon= ger used,
> or the time elapsed mat have made the undesirable state irrelevant.
I think it is important to keep the two perspectives in mind. An operator c= losing an
alarm is only a flag from the operations team that the alarm does not need = an action.
It might be cleared or not cleared by the system.

So in your first example, the alarm is probably cleared by the instrumentat= ion,
correlating =E2=80=9Cthe other event=E2=80=9D.

If the resource is no longer used a shelf should be created.

If time has passed, depends, =E2=80=A6.

>
> 3. In section 3.5.1:
> Alarms are not cleared by operators, only the underlying instrumentati= on can
> clear an alarm.=C2=A0 Operators can close alarms.
>
> So, the document makes a distinction between clearing an alarm and clo= sing an
> alarm. It may be good to define two two concepts to make the distincti= on clear.

Good point!

Suggested terminology additions:
* Cleared alarm: a cleared alarm is an alarm where the system/server consid= ers the
undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not clear alarms, clearance is= managed
by the system. A linkUp notification can be considered a clear condition fo= r a linkDown state.

* Closed alarm: operators can close alarms irrespective of the alarm being = cleared or not.
A closed alarm indicates that the alarm does not need attention, either sin= ce the corrective
action has been taken or that it can be ignored for other reasons.


>
> 4. Appendix F.1:
> The alarm MIB is state oriented rather than notification oriented, an = alarm
> is a "lasting condition", not a discrete notification report= ing about a
> condition state change.
Good catch, will rephrase, the alarm MIB and the alarm YANG has a stateful = view
of alarms, not notification-focused.

Suggested change:
OLD
RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal oper= ation". This is
problematic, since this might not require an=C2=A0 operator action. The ala= rm MIB is state
oriented rather than notification oriented,=C2=A0 an alarm is a "lasti= ng=C2=A0 condition", not a
discrete notification reporting about a condition state change.
NEW:
RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal oper= ation". The Alarm YANG
model adds the requirement that it should require an corrective action and = should be undesired,
not only a deviation from normal. The alarm MIB is state oriented in the sa= me way as the Alarm YANG,
it focuses on the=C2=A0 "lasting=C2=A0 condition", not the indivi= dual notifications.


>
> I am not sure that I understand this comment. Alarm states are defined= also in
> this document, and Alarms as defined here are also different than '= ; a discrete
> notification reporting about a condition state change'. So, what d= oes this
> comment really try to say?
>
> Nits/editorial comments:
>
>

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We might need t= o do the same for draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06. In regard to having a separate draft that hosts only the layer0-types, this= would makes sense if we have a stable layer0-types and move this draft fir= st before all other drafts to avoid the hang-over case (which happened for = te-topology draft). Thanks. Young From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Beller, Dieter (No= kia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:02 PM To: julien.meuric@orange.com; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-= yang-06 Hi Julien, all, I concur with you that it would be the best to also adopt draft-lee-ccamp-o= ptical-impairment-topology-yang asap and make sure that both drafts are wel= l aligned and consistent. Both drafts may share the same types/groupings (intention of ietf-layer0-ty= pes?). Probably layer0-types should be put in a separate draft like te-type= s (TEAS). Other drafts on the CCAMP agenda should be based on layer0-types as well. Let's discuss this during the CCAMP session next Mon at IETF 104 in Prague. Thanks, Dieter On 19.03.2019 17:29, julien.meuric@orange.com wrote: Hi all, I support the adoption of the I-D. Like draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang, it clearly fills a hole. If both these drafts get adopted, I think bringing consistency on good ideas from both will be straightforward. Thanks, Julien On 11/03/2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Working group, We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and we're ready to start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP). This starts a two weeks poll on making *draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 *a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and nice to have for the "support". 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Hi WG

 

I agree with Dieter’s suggestio= n on:

-   =        draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impai= rment-topology-yang should be adopted on par with draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-= if-param-yang-06

-   =        putting all common grouping t= o layer0-types makes sense -- -all wson/flexi-grid related models and draft= -lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang have already imported groupings from layer0-types. We might need to do the= same for draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06.

 

In regard to having a separate draft = that hosts only the layer0-types, this would makes sense if we have a stabl= e layer0-types and move this draft first before all other drafts to avoid the hang-over case (which happened for te-topolo= gy draft). 

 

Thanks.

Young

 

 

 

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:02 PM
To: julien.meuric@orange.com; ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if= -param-yang-06

 

Hi Julien, all,

I concur with you that it would be the best to also adopt draft-lee-ccamp-o= ptical-impairment-topology-yang asap and make sure that both drafts are wel= l aligned
and consistent.

Both drafts may share the same types/groupings (intention of ietf-layer0-ty= pes?). Probably layer0-types should be put in a separate draft like te-type= s (TEAS).
Other drafts on the CCAMP agenda should be based on layer0-types as well. <= br>
Let's discuss this during the CCAMP session next Mon at IETF 104 in Prague.=


Thanks,
Dieter

On 19.03.2019 17:29, julien.meuric@orange.com wrote:

Hi all,
 
I support the adoption of the I-D. Li=
ke
draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-to=
pology-yang, it clearly fills a
hole. If both these drafts get adopte=
d, I think bringing consistency on
good ideas from both will be straight=
forward.
 
Thanks,
 
Julien
 
 
On 11/03/2019 17:41, Daniele Ceccarel=
li wrote:
 
Working group,
 
 
 
We finally managed to collect all t=
he IPR disclosures and we’re ready
to start the WG adoption poll for t=
he dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP).
 
 
 
This starts a two weeks poll on mak=
ing 
*draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-=
yang-06 *a CCAMP working group
document.
 
Please send email to the list indic=
ating "yes/support" or "no/do not
support" and a motivation for&=
nbsp; your reply, mandatory for the "not
support" and nice to have for =
the "support".
 
 
 
The polling will end on *Monday Mar=
ch 25^th * ..
 
 
 
Thanks,
 
Daniele & Fatai

 


 


 


 
 
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[95.155.237.105]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r1sm224293lfm.7.2019.03.20.00.50.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: stefan vallin In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 08:50:31 +0100 Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module.all@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <155292844015.26147.11067773612585181394@ietfa.amsl.com> <22EBF1ED-7CE4-4A4F-A105-C76D17D2F2DA@wallan.se> <15ac10fa-db49-df31-c532-03a3692a2ca2@cisco.com> <556B8CFB-E3E0-44AB-B82B-9E60CE4C0FF5@wallan.se> <0b559129-fc1f-c4b0-eaf6-4a03780e93f1@cisco.com> <425F5BB9-DAF8-401C-A048-5BC00BD9EC23@wallan.se> <91fa8482-9f24-513d-1b37-fba6ff73b6f8@cisco.com> <1A78CDC1-3F04-43DA-A3A4-E8D1C13520C8@wallan.se> To: Joe Clarke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 07:50:41 -0000 Hi! > On 19 Mar 2019, at 18:08, Joe Clarke wrote: >=20 > On 3/19/19 13:00, stefan vallin wrote: >> Hi! >>>=20 >>> Not exactly. I saw the life-cycle stuff -- and this edge trigger = makes >>> sense -- but I was asking that if the state is raise, will multiple >>> notifications be sent for raise (or could multiple, periodic >>> notifications be sent)? For example, while status is "raise" and >>> without any other change, send a notification every five minutes. >> Ah, ok.=20 >> Notifications are only sent for changes not repeated for same state >=20 > Okay. Takes care of that line of thinking. >=20 > In general, what about shelving for a time window? Is it envisioned = the > Management System would enable and disable shelving during maintenance > windows? =46rom a user perspective this make sense but it should be controlled by = the manager/client. Shelving is configuration, and configuration that "changes itself=E2=80=9D= =20 kind of breaks the NETCONF configuration pattern. No one reconfiguring the system and still the config has changed. >=20 >>>=20 >>> And now that you call out this text, "change severity" is listed = twice :-). >> Yes, intended :) >> Could be minor, major, minor, major for example.=20 >> Imagine a set of thresholds >=20 > Ah, it's a sample life-cycle, not a list. Depends on what you mean :) +--ro alarm* [resource alarm-type-id alarm-type-qualifier] | +--ro is-cleared boolean | +--ro perceived-severity severity | +--ro alarm-text alarm-text | +--ro status-change* [time] {alarm-history}? | | +--ro time yang:date-and-time | | +--ro perceived-severity severity-with-clear | | +--ro alarm-text alarm-text Each alarm has a leaf indicating the last severity level, alarm text and = clearance status And each alarm has a list of status changes. So an alarm composite state could be: + alarm [disc-partition-foo, disc-utilization, =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D] + is-cleared false + perceived-severity major + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization high, major threshold=E2=80=9D + status-change + time T3 + perceived-severity major + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization high, major threshold=E2=80=9D= + time T2 + perceived-severity minor + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization high, minor threshold=E2=80=9D= + time T4 + perceived-severity major + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization high, major threshold=E2=80=9D= Note well, if the alarm gets cleared it will appear in the status list = as well, and it might be raised again + alarm [disc-partition-foo, disc-utilization, =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D] + is-cleared false <<< (was True at T4) + perceived-severity major + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization high, major threshold=E2=80=9D + status-change + time T5 + perceived-severity major + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization high, major threshold=E2=80=9D= + time T4 + perceived-severity cleared + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization ok=E2=80=9D + time T3 + perceived-severity major + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization high, major threshold=E2=80=9D= + time T2 + perceived-severity minor + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization high, minor threshold=E2=80=9D= + time T4 + perceived-severity major + alarm-text =E2=80=9Cdisc utilization high, major threshold=E2=80=9D= /s >=20 > Joe From nobody Wed Mar 20 00:51:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD651310A8 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:51:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jpHwSh3R3Q-x for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x234.google.com (mail-lj1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E1E21310D3 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x234.google.com with SMTP id f23so1393670ljc.0 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:51:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=DH2KtQvKYlpefUqOj3c4JCi2qKPlMr1zaKDW2qcuMto=; b=Sa5Fm5AURaDgc62n66869UYz70dM2zT+l9GxC8n/BXF4jvIQFkoXvVjpf4JsQ576ra WIgUxXUVptIifASocNF3U43Kk27ROAh6hUZnLnm249V7QJlbEEEhdqQGND/r/7flzRmc WBH+Mf+3PDv7JaEyIWuxvdYq95kSs22bfVuNbv4154AvOQcFKEbYCgJD0I2pOouy9E1h 3XLFrxpdC3ftTTG+Q2SJBFUyr9kTWZ26AaOuCE9cMEHH+0pQWSgCWG5Ygf5ewj8fa0mb RgZfxAvfKEmwsjKeuIktrFNOsuJHXZbsE48re3zoUFYsYr1v8dOmaVQ9rCvzlS4gHbJ3 fGoA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=DH2KtQvKYlpefUqOj3c4JCi2qKPlMr1zaKDW2qcuMto=; b=f94AcNh9AofMA1P6gD75mDlvOS711n8fluakHfvNrJHOUaoCOw5EIdnBJwIdZuEkRs 0CuPM3RUtqWatbyokyzKMJnnRMAcnZ35nAjfW/sSs78YZwRQuKx19THxbBFFe+3V+3fl wG1unOO2dEQQLQ8v27xYqIPLMxxDoUrqeCx5r7EFlMbYk8AyOIkYMcMexrgmXokxbW24 D9CPEEbWEABGIenbY4nNN+lVEs/hrXdUytiSDnsb9Uj+2K59AJCioqcWW1ADYKE1rF/v uQvA+qE//Jx7EBNvQ2N2MR16IZSkOsM3qJxAkceT3rvyAJShU2iNV8hUIBY5BVNeypXU B5aA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVo3GYxV2IDbZLVjm8INnBP2XTzKbkiKMTHowxyd4H0dFom/nc9 sHA004WMURKlq5XFgm9FcG8lYg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyW4bXKwHphtiX4boDUNfE/t/hlGgM1L8lm42QwW3u5D/S2dGzv5hFc6VLAljRMXYqZmF90cA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:5cc3:: with SMTP id q186mr15580929ljb.23.1553068268489; Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.72.11] (h95-155-237-105.cust.a3fiber.se. [95.155.237.105]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r1sm224293lfm.7.2019.03.20.00.51.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: stefan vallin Message-Id: <549638C6-2599-4524-8AE9-436FC949DC88@wallan.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F31598A6-910C-43C5-991D-1BBE56FAE498" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 08:51:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: gen-art , draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module.all@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, ietf To: Dan Romascanu References: <155294084679.26073.4005125072161491147@ietfa.amsl.com> <956268DE-965F-40C3-A845-D236424CE07D@wallan.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 07:51:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F31598A6-910C-43C5-991D-1BBE56FAE498 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Dan! > On 19 Mar 2019, at 19:54, Dan Romascanu wrote: >=20 > Hi Stefan,=20 >=20 > Thank you for your answer and for addressing my concerns. I am = comfortable with your proposals. If your AD agrees, I would include = these in a revised version before submission to the approval of the = IESG.=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM stefan vallin > wrote: > Hi Dan! > Thanks for your review, an honour to have RFC 3877 in the loop :) > See inline > br Stefan >=20 >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Major issues: > >=20 > > 1. The definition of Alarm is key for the whole model. It reads like = this: > > Alarm (the general concept): An alarm signifies an undesirable state = in a > > resource that requires corrective action. > >=20 > > However, RFC 3877 already defined a number of concepts including: > > Error > > A deviation of a system from normal operation. > >=20 > > Fault > > Lasting error or warning condition. > >=20 > > .... > >=20 > > Alarm > > Persistent indication of a fault. > >=20 > > I believe that there is a need to show why the model defined by RFC = 3877 needs > > to be changed, and why the difference that RFC 3877 was making = between a Fault > > and an Alarm is no longer needed. >=20 > Good comment, you are right, and we need to keep the distinction = between fault and alarm. > That distinction is used in X.733, 3GPP IRP and others. The general = pattern is that =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D > refers to what is really broken, and the alarm the manifestation of = that underlying cause.=20 > There is not a simple 1-1 relationship between a fault and an alarm > * 1 fault may have many alarms due to limited root cause capabilities = of the system > * There might be no underlying fault to an alarm, consider a = non-optimal QoS configuration=20 > which gives bad quality in VOIP calls. Certainly a MOS alarm from = the VOIP probe, but there > is no =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D as such (if you do not consider a = non-optimal config as a fault) >=20 > So X.733 > X.733 fault: The physical or algorithmic cause of a malfunction > 3GPP fault: a deviation of a system from normal operation, which may = result in the loss of operational capabilities of the element or the = loss of redundancy in case of a redundant configuration >=20 > I suggest we add the following to terminology: > Fault: the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour >=20 > If we then turn to the term =E2=80=9Calarm". I have added two aspects = to the definition of an alarm: >=20 > An alarm signifies an *undesirable state* in a resource that *requires = corrective action*. >=20 > Mostly based on the alarm standardization work in the process industry = (see draft references). >=20 > 1) Rather than =E2=80=9Cdeviation from normal=E2=80=9D, we say = =E2=80=9Cundesirable=E2=80=9D, subtle difference. > In IT environments it is easier to define what is normal, a normal = load to a web server. > And anything deviation from that normal load could be an alarm. > In networking, things are more dynamic, and deviation from normal = might be the desired state. > So the definition stresses the fact that it is an undesired state, = not just deviation from normal. >=20 > 2) Adding the requirement that an alarm per definition should require = an action. This is a sound > requirement that puts requirements on what qualifies as an alarm and = limits the amounts of alarms. > (See for example the EEMUA, and ISA182 references in the draft). The = 3GPP Alarm standard > also added this to their definition at the later revisions to = address the alarm overload problem. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Also, RFC 3877 defined in Section 3 a > > Framework and an Architecture that was consistent with X.733. This = document has > > no such section, and while acknowledging the need for a mapping to = X.733 it > > states as a goal: > > Mapping to X.733, which is a requirement for some alarm systems. = Still, keep > > some of the X.733 concepts out of the core model in order to make = the model > > small and easy to understand > >=20 > > More details about what is left out and why these are not needed = would help. > The alarm YANG model does not *require* the X.733 parameter > definitions of for example probable-cause enum values. Today, most = networking devices=20 > and management systems do not rely on those enumerations. >=20 > Those are defined in the X733 augmentation module in order to keep the = core model as > small and useful as possible. X733 requirements come more often from = telecom environments. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Minor issues: > >=20 > > 1. Section 2 makes a statement that includes > > ... While IETF has not really addressed alarm management > >=20 > > This is is actually not accurate. RFC 3877 addressed Alarm = Management. Maybe > > there is a need to revise that approach, but this should be done = explicitly, > > not by stating that it did not exist. > Correct, bad wording. > OLD TEXT: > Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G. While IETF > has not really addressed alarm management, telecom standards has > addressed it purely from a protocol perspective. The process > industry has published several relevant standards addressing > requirements for a useful alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182]. > This alarm module defines usability requirements as well as a = YANG > data model. > SUGGESTION: > Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G. While IETF > and telecom standards have addressed alarms mostly from a=20 > protocol perspective, the process industry has published=20 > several relevant standards addressing requirements for a useful=20= > alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182]. > This alarm module defines usability requirements as well as a = YANG > data model. >=20 > >=20 > > 2. Section 3.5: > > Closing an alarm implies that the operator considers the corrective = action > > performed. > >=20 > > Is this always true? The undesirable state may have been cancelled = by some > > other event than corrective action, for example the resource is no = longer used, > > or the time elapsed mat have made the undesirable state irrelevant. >=20 > I think it is important to keep the two perspectives in mind. An = operator closing an > alarm is only a flag from the operations team that the alarm does not = need an action. > It might be cleared or not cleared by the system. >=20 > So in your first example, the alarm is probably cleared by the = instrumentation,=20 > correlating =E2=80=9Cthe other event=E2=80=9D. >=20 > If the resource is no longer used a shelf should be created. >=20 > If time has passed, depends, =E2=80=A6. >=20 > >=20 > > 3. In section 3.5.1: > > Alarms are not cleared by operators, only the underlying = instrumentation can > > clear an alarm. Operators can close alarms. > >=20 > > So, the document makes a distinction between clearing an alarm and = closing an > > alarm. It may be good to define two two concepts to make the = distinction clear. >=20 > Good point! >=20 > Suggested terminology additions: > * Cleared alarm: a cleared alarm is an alarm where the system/server = considers the > undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not clear alarms, = clearance is managed > by the system. A linkUp notification can be considered a clear = condition for a linkDown state. >=20 > * Closed alarm: operators can close alarms irrespective of the alarm = being cleared or not. > A closed alarm indicates that the alarm does not need attention, = either since the corrective > action has been taken or that it can be ignored for other reasons. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > 4. Appendix F.1: > > The alarm MIB is state oriented rather than notification oriented, = an alarm > > is a "lasting condition", not a discrete notification reporting = about a > > condition state change. > Good catch, will rephrase, the alarm MIB and the alarm YANG has a = stateful view > of alarms, not notification-focused. >=20 > Suggested change: > OLD > RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". This is > problematic, since this might not require an operator action. The = alarm MIB is state=20 > oriented rather than notification oriented, an alarm is a "lasting = condition", not a=20 > discrete notification reporting about a condition state change. > NEW: > RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". The Alarm YANG > model adds the requirement that it should require an corrective action = and should be undesired,=20 > not only a deviation from normal. The alarm MIB is state oriented in = the same way as the Alarm YANG, > it focuses on the "lasting condition", not the individual = notifications. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > I am not sure that I understand this comment. Alarm states are = defined also in > > this document, and Alarms as defined here are also different than ' = a discrete > > notification reporting about a condition state change'. So, what = does this > > comment really try to say? > >=20 > > Nits/editorial comments: > >=20 > >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_F31598A6-910C-43C5-991D-1BBE56FAE498 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thanks Dan!

On 19 Mar 2019, at 19:54, Dan = Romascanu <dromasca@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Stefan,

Thank you for your = answer and for addressing my concerns. I am comfortable with your = proposals. If your AD agrees, I would include these in a revised version = before submission to the approval of the IESG.

Regards,

Dan


On Tue, Mar = 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM stefan vallin <stefan@wallan.se> wrote:
Hi Dan!
Thanks for your review, an honour to have RFC 3877 in the loop :)
See inline
br Stefan


>
>
> Major issues:
>
> 1. The definition of Alarm is key for the whole model. It reads = like this:
> Alarm (the general concept): An alarm signifies an undesirable = state in a
> resource that requires corrective action.
>
> However, RFC 3877 already defined a number of concepts = including:
>  Error
>      A deviation of a system from normal = operation.
>
>   Fault
>      Lasting error or warning condition.
>
>   ....
>
>   Alarm
>      Persistent indication of a fault.
>
> I believe that there is a need to show why the model defined by RFC = 3877 needs
> to be changed, and why the difference that RFC 3877 was making = between a Fault
> and an Alarm is no longer needed.

Good comment, you are right, and we need to keep the distinction between = fault and alarm.
That distinction is used in X.733, 3GPP IRP and others. The general = pattern is that =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D
refers to what is really broken, and the alarm the manifestation of that = underlying cause.
There is not a simple 1-1 relationship between a fault and an alarm
* 1 fault may have many alarms due to limited root cause capabilities of = the system
* There might be no underlying fault to an alarm, consider a non-optimal = QoS configuration
  which gives bad quality in VOIP calls. Certainly a MOS alarm from = the VOIP probe, but there
  is no =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D as such (if you do not consider a = non-optimal config as a fault)

So X.733
X.733 fault: The physical or algorithmic cause of a malfunction
3GPP fault: a deviation of a system from normal operation, which may = result in the loss of operational capabilities of the element or the = loss of redundancy in case of a redundant configuration

I suggest we add the following to terminology:
Fault: the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour

If we then turn to the term =E2=80=9Calarm". I have added two aspects to = the definition of an alarm:

An alarm signifies an *undesirable state* in a resource that *requires = corrective action*.

Mostly based on the alarm standardization work in the process industry = (see draft references).

1) Rather than =E2=80=9Cdeviation from normal=E2=80=9D, we say = =E2=80=9Cundesirable=E2=80=9D, subtle difference.
  In IT environments it is easier to define what is normal, a = normal load to a web server.
  And anything deviation from that normal load could be an = alarm.
  In networking, things are more dynamic, and deviation from normal = might be the desired state.
  So the definition stresses the fact that it is an undesired = state, not just deviation from normal.

2) Adding the requirement that an alarm per definition should require an = action. This is a sound
  requirement that puts requirements on what qualifies as an alarm = and limits the amounts of alarms.
  (See for example the EEMUA, and ISA182 references in the draft). = The 3GPP Alarm standard
  also added this to their definition at the later revisions to = address the alarm overload problem.





> Also, RFC 3877 defined in Section 3 a
> Framework and an Architecture that was consistent with X.733. This = document has
> no such section, and while acknowledging the need for a mapping to = X.733 it
> states as a goal:
> Mapping to X.733, which is a requirement for some alarm systems. = Still, keep
> some of the X.733 concepts out of the core model in order to make = the model
> small and easy to understand
>
> More details about what is left out and why these are not needed = would help.
The alarm YANG model  does not *require* the X.733 parameter
definitions of for example probable-cause enum values. Today, most = networking devices
and management systems do not rely on those enumerations.

Those are defined in the X733 augmentation module in order to keep the = core model as
small and useful as possible. X733 requirements come more often from = telecom environments.


>
> Minor issues:
>
> 1. Section 2 makes a statement that includes
> ... While IETF has not really addressed alarm management
>
> This is is actually not accurate. RFC 3877 addressed Alarm = Management. Maybe
> there is a need to revise that approach, but this should be done = explicitly,
> not by stating that it did not exist.
Correct, bad wording.
OLD TEXT:
Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G.  While = IETF
      has not really addressed alarm management, telecom = standards has
      addressed it purely from a protocol = perspective.  The process
      industry has published several relevant standards = addressing
      requirements for a useful alarm interface; [EEMUA], = [ISA182].
      This alarm module defines usability requirements as = well as a YANG
      data model.
SUGGESTION:
Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G.  While = IETF
      and telecom standards have addressed alarms mostly = from a
      protocol perspective, the process industry has = published
      several relevant standards addressing requirements = for a useful
      alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182].
      This alarm module defines usability requirements as = well as a YANG
      data model.

>
> 2. Section 3.5:
> Closing an alarm implies that the operator considers the corrective = action
> performed.
>
> Is this always true? The undesirable state may have been cancelled = by some
> other event than corrective action, for example the resource is no = longer used,
> or the time elapsed mat have made the undesirable state = irrelevant.

I think it is important to keep the two perspectives in mind. An = operator closing an
alarm is only a flag from the operations team that the alarm does not = need an action.
It might be cleared or not cleared by the system.

So in your first example, the alarm is probably cleared by the = instrumentation,
correlating =E2=80=9Cthe other event=E2=80=9D.

If the resource is no longer used a shelf should be created.

If time has passed, depends, =E2=80=A6.

>
> 3. In section 3.5.1:
> Alarms are not cleared by operators, only the underlying = instrumentation can
> clear an alarm.  Operators can close alarms.
>
> So, the document makes a distinction between clearing an alarm and = closing an
> alarm. It may be good to define two two concepts to make the = distinction clear.

Good point!

Suggested terminology additions:
* Cleared alarm: a cleared alarm is an alarm where the system/server = considers the
undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not clear alarms, clearance = is managed
by the system. A linkUp notification can be considered a clear condition = for a linkDown state.

* Closed alarm: operators can close alarms irrespective of the alarm = being cleared or not.
A closed alarm indicates that the alarm does not need attention, either = since the corrective
action has been taken or that it can be ignored for other reasons.


>
> 4. Appendix F.1:
> The alarm MIB is state oriented rather than notification oriented, = an alarm
> is a "lasting condition", not a discrete notification reporting = about a
> condition state change.
Good catch, will rephrase, the alarm MIB and the alarm YANG has a = stateful view
of alarms, not notification-focused.

Suggested change:
OLD
RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". This is
problematic, since this might not require an  operator action. The = alarm MIB is state
oriented rather than notification oriented,  an alarm is a = "lasting  condition", not a
discrete notification reporting about a condition state change.
NEW:
RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". The Alarm YANG
model adds the requirement that it should require an corrective action = and should be undesired,
not only a deviation from normal. The alarm MIB is state oriented in the = same way as the Alarm YANG,
it focuses on the  "lasting  condition", not the individual = notifications.


>
> I am not sure that I understand this comment. Alarm states are = defined also in
> this document, and Alarms as defined here are also different than ' = a discrete
> notification reporting about a condition state change'. So, what = does this
> comment really try to say?
>
> Nits/editorial comments:
>
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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.118.87.86, rtp-jclarke-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-12.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 08:26:43 -0000 On 3/20/19 03:50, stefan vallin wrote: > From a user perspective this make sense but it should be controlled by the manager/client. > > Shelving is configuration, and configuration that "changes itself†> kind of breaks the NETCONF configuration pattern. No one reconfiguring > the system and still the config has changed. Fair enough. I just wanted to talk through the use cases. > >> >>>> >>>> And now that you call out this text, "change severity" is listed twice :-). >>> Yes, intended :) >>> Could be minor, major, minor, major for example. >>> Imagine a set of thresholds >> >> Ah, it's a sample life-cycle, not a list. > Depends on what you mean :) I meant this is an example of a possible life-cycle versus a list of possible life-cycle states. I do certainly understand the escalation nature within a given life-cycle. Thanks for your discussion. 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CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:43:06 -0000 Hi, When we fixed the review comments for this draft, I found an issue with the current YANG model. Currently we have: choice notify-status-changes { description "This leaf controls the notifications sent for alarm status updates. There are three options: [...]"; leaf notify-all-state-changes { type empty; description "Send notifications for all status changes."; } leaf notify-raise-and-clear { type empty; description "Send notifications only for raise, clear, and re-raise. Notifications for severity level changes or alarm text changes are not sent."; } leaf notify-severity-level { type severity; description "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing the specified level. Always send clear notifications."; } } First of all, the description refers to the choice as a leaf; the main text has the same issue. But worse is that it isn't described what happens if no leafs in this choice are configured. What is the default? Since the leafs are of type empty we can't just add a default statement to the choice. So we suggest the following updated model to fix this issue: leaf notify-status-changes { type enumeration { enum all-state-changes { description "Send notifications for all status changes."; } enum raise-and-clear { description "Send notifications only for raise, clear, and re-raise. Notifications for severity level changes or alarm text changes are not sent."; } enum severity-level { description "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing the level specified in 'notify-severity-level'. Always send clear notifications."; } } must '. != "severity-level" or ../notify-severity-level' { description "When notify-status-changes is 'severity-level', a value must be given for notify-severity-level."; } default "all-state-changes"; description "This leaf controls the notifications sent for alarm status updates. There are three options: [...]"; } leaf notify-severity-level { when '../notify-status-changes = "severity-level"'; type severity; description "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing the specified level. Always send clear notifications."; } I.e., change it to an enumeration leaf with a default value, and add an additional leaf to set the severity level when the enum "severity-level" is set. Note that it doesn't change any major concepts; it is a model change to better describe the semantics. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks a lot Martin for finding the issue and letting the WG know about it. > I.e., change it to an enumeration leaf with a default value, and add an additional leaf to set the severity level when the enum "severity-level" is set. I don't see this as a major change. Please update the draft, we won't need another round of review. Thanks Daniele -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP On Behalf Of Martin Bjorklund Sent: den 22 mars 2019 13:43 To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] YANG issue in draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module Hi, When we fixed the review comments for this draft, I found an issue with the current YANG model. Currently we have: choice notify-status-changes { description "This leaf controls the notifications sent for alarm status updates. There are three options: [...]"; leaf notify-all-state-changes { type empty; description "Send notifications for all status changes."; } leaf notify-raise-and-clear { type empty; description "Send notifications only for raise, clear, and re-raise. Notifications for severity level changes or alarm text changes are not sent."; } leaf notify-severity-level { type severity; description "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing the specified level. Always send clear notifications."; } } First of all, the description refers to the choice as a leaf; the main text has the same issue. But worse is that it isn't described what happens if no leafs in this choice are configured. What is the default? Since the leafs are of type empty we can't just add a default statement to the choice. So we suggest the following updated model to fix this issue: leaf notify-status-changes { type enumeration { enum all-state-changes { description "Send notifications for all status changes."; } enum raise-and-clear { description "Send notifications only for raise, clear, and re-raise. Notifications for severity level changes or alarm text changes are not sent."; } enum severity-level { description "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing the level specified in 'notify-severity-level'. Always send clear notifications."; } } must '. != "severity-level" or ../notify-severity-level' { description "When notify-status-changes is 'severity-level', a value must be given for notify-severity-level."; } default "all-state-changes"; description "This leaf controls the notifications sent for alarm status updates. There are three options: [...]"; } leaf notify-severity-level { when '../notify-status-changes = "severity-level"'; type severity; description "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing the specified level. Always send clear notifications."; } I.e., change it to an enumeration leaf with a default value, and add an additional leaf to set the severity level when the enum "severity-level" is set. Note that it doesn't change any major concepts; it is a model change to better describe the semantics. Unless we hear any objections, we'll make this change in the updated draft that will be sent to the IESG. /martin _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp ------=_NextPart_000_0826_01D4E0BB.EE7554C0 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVeTCCAyAw ggIIoAMCAQICAR0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTELMAkGA1UEBhMCRkkxDzANBgNVBAoTBlNvbmVy YTEZMBcGA1UEAxMQU29uZXJhIENsYXNzMiBDQTAeFw0wMTA0MDYwNzI5NDBaFw0yMTA0MDYwNzI5 NDBaMDkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkZJMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZTb25lcmExGTAXBgNVBAMTEFNvbmVyYSBDbGFz czIgQ0EwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQCQF0o1ncrwDZbHRPoWN/xIvb1/ gC01O+FvqGepvwMcTYxvMkfVQWikEwTBNQyahEP8XB3/ibPoFxjNkV/7iePqv05dfBsm03V57eaE 41flrSnE9Doo56V7hDZps/1edr2jLZnTkE4jKH0YY/FUOyaddluXQrL/rvBO7N05lU6DBn/nSUDI 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boundary="000000000000752b430584bcfb13" Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Mail regarding draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-node-id-based-hello X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 06:21:35 -0000 --000000000000752b430584bcfb13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I have a query on RFC4558 & RFC4206, regarding "Maintenance of RSVP HELLO adjacency over a FA adjacency". I see that: 1) RFC3209 talks about HELLO adjacency over a directly connected numbered interface. 2) RFC4558 further extended HELLO adjacency over directly connected unnumbered interfaces. Both above documents specified IP TTL value of the HELLO as 1 -- because nodes were directly connected/adjacent. So when an LSP is tunnelled through a FA-LSP, is there any IETF document which covers procedures to be followed for non-adjacent/out-of-band HELLO adjacency ? RFC4206 does talk about procedures to be followed for PATH messages. i.e. avoiding IP TTL vs. RSVP TTL check in this case. Does these procedures applies to HELLO messages as well ? Thanks & Regards Nells K.S --000000000000752b430584bcfb13 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I have a que= ry on RFC4558 & RFC4206, regarding "Maintenance of RSVP HELLO adja= cency over a FA adjacency".

I see that:
1) RFC3209 talks about HELLO a= djacency over a directly connected numbered interface.
2) RFC4558 further extended HELLO adjacency over directly connected unnu= mbered interfaces.

Both = above documents specified IP TTL value of the HELLO as 1 -- because nodes w= ere directly connected/adjacent.

So when an LSP is tunnelled through a FA-LSP, is there any IETF d= ocument which covers procedures to be followed for non-adjacent/out-of-band= HELLO adjacency ?

RFC42= 06 does talk about procedures to be followed for PATH messages. i.e. avoidi= ng IP TTL vs. RSVP TTL check in this case. Does these procedures applies to= HELLO messages as well ?


Thanks & Regards
Nells K.S
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Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:15:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : YANG data model for Flexi-Grid media-channels Authors : Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara Daniel Perdices Victor Lopez Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Daniel King Young Lee Gabriele Galimberti Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2019-03-24 Abstract: This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical media channels, complementing the information provided by the flexi-grid topology model. It is also grounded on other defined YANG abstract models. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 24 03:17:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CF8130E8A; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:17:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155342266300.17985.8483033721380538703@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:17:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:17:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks Authors : Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara Daniel Perdices Victor Lopez Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Daniel King Young Lee Gabriele Galimberti Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03.txt Pages : 73 Date : 2019-03-24 Abstract: This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical Networks. The model described in this document defines a flexi-grid traffic engineering database. A complementary module is referenced to detail the flexi-grid media channels. This module is grounded on other defined YANG abstract models. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 24 03:26:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CABE130E8D for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:26:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=uam.es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5-sKGrWcWldt for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eintn6.ti.uam.es (eintn6.ti.uam.es [150.244.8.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB09128BE6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imsvain1.ti.uam.es (pip9.ti.uam.es [192.168.12.216]) by eintn6.ti.uam.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD95B10257C6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:26:33 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=uam.es; s=uam; t=1553423193; bh=trpDtf9hjVlr37rk4SKcypWMeuXXrfsrIwdVYkUcm14=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=xuRs7pfCzqRNEGkn99aUiQeNGMb0zVqaQ4SU49E6UZbQzjnob8NRT+k3C0UxUGxl5 YxxTYXlovCHwKAiRRIne6kN14KfXhQceJ6tMW2OzQbdJ3CYWQjzeAirb0ozev4fR01 Uq/xmgilyTajWTwucWySfb1JEQ2aif3nx/zrJlkE= Received: from imsvain1.ti.uam.es (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C1B4C182E for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:26:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from eintn5.ti.uam.es (unknown [192.168.12.216]) by imsvain1.ti.uam.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AE44C1728 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:26:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.43] (54.red-81-39-81.dynamicip.rima-tde.net [81.39.81.54]) (Authenticated sender: jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es) by eintn5.ti.uam.es (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9541830432A5 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:26:33 +0100 (CET) To: ccamp@ietf.org References: <155342266300.17985.8483033721380538703@ietfa.amsl.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_E=2e_L=c3=b3pez_de_Vergara_M=c3=a9ndez?= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:26:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <155342266300.17985.8483033721380538703@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A7455B8A6A0E67EC6D0E937B" Content-Language: es-ES X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-spam-scanned: IMSVA-9.0.0.1503-8.1.0.1062-22846.004 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:26:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A7455B8A6A0E67EC6D0E937B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Hi,     This update includes an enhanced security section and updated references. It also uses layer0-types for flexi-grid.     Best regards,     -Jorge El 24/03/2019 a las 11:17, internet-drafts@ietf.org escribió: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. > > Title : YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks > Authors : Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara > Daniel Perdices > Victor Lopez > Oscar Gonzalez de Dios > Daniel King > Young Lee > Gabriele Galimberti > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03.txt > Pages : 73 > Date : 2019-03-24 > > Abstract: > This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical > Networks. The model described in this document defines a flexi-grid > traffic engineering database. A complementary module is referenced > to detail the flexi-grid media channels. > > This module is grounded on other defined YANG abstract models. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp -- _ Jorge E. López de Vergara Méndez, Ph.D. _ _ /_| __ __ Dept. Tecn. Elec. y Comunicaciones | | | | \ | \ / | Escuela Politécnica Superior, C-224 | | | | /\\ | \/ | Universidad Autónoma de Madrid | | | | /__\\ | |\ /| | http://www.eps.uam.es/~jlopezv | `__´ | / \\ | | \/ | | mailto:Jorge.Lopez_Vergara@uam.es `-____-´_/_ _\\_|_| |_| Tel. +34 91 497 22 46 --------------A7455B8A6A0E67EC6D0E937B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    Hi,

    This update includes an enhanced security section and updated references. It also uses layer0-types for flexi-grid.

    Best regards,

    -Jorge

El 24/03/2019 a las 11:17, internet-drafts@ietf.org escribió:
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF.

        Title           : YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks
        Authors         : Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara
                          Daniel Perdices
                          Victor Lopez
                          Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
                          Daniel King
                          Young Lee
                          Gabriele Galimberti
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03.txt
	Pages           : 73
	Date            : 2019-03-24

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical
   Networks. The model described in this document defines a flexi-grid
   traffic engineering database. A complementary module is referenced
   to detail the flexi-grid media channels.

   This module is grounded on other defined YANG abstract models.


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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang/

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03

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https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-03


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Hi Dieter,

 

No worries.

 

Daniele might be confused by many options for the same thing, but= I think Gert clarified your question perfectly (=A1=B0draft-dharini as it = stands today would support all 3 options the topology-yang is referring to=A1=B1).

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB:<= /b> Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) [mailto:dieter.beller@no= kia.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2019=C4=EA3=D4=C220=C8=D5 2:11
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Daniele Ceccarelli; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org); Fatai Zhang
=B3=AD=CB=CD: Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06=

 

Hi Daniele, = all,

I think that a discussion during the CCAMP session in Prague is probably th= e most efficient way going forward.

Just one remark regarding the 3 options without going into the technical de= tails here: I had the feeling that there was consensus at the end of our di= scussion that
all 3 options have value and we leave it up to the operator to select which= option is preferred from a network operations perspective. This may differ= from operator
to operator. The 3 options and their pros and cons were discussed comprehen= sively. So, I am not sure whether it is wise to remove one or even two.


Thanks,
Dieter

On 19.03.2019 18:05, Daniele Ce= ccarelli wrote:

Hi D= ieter,

&nbs= p;

Than= ks for raising this up. We=A1=AFll discuss during the CCAMP session in Prag= ue.

The = issues you=A1=AFre raising are very valid and need to be addressed, and I a= gree with Julien on the fact that the solution is quite straightforward.

&nbs= p;

  • How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? T= he topology draft has a wider scope but deals with the same information con= tained in the if-param draft.

>This is simple. My suggestion would be to focus on= the interface on one draft and topology on the other.

  • The topology draft also defines 2 additional options t= o address optical transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports= 1 out of 3 options!

>I don=A1=AFt like many options. Let=A1=AFs see whi= ch ones to go for and then move them to the interface draft.

  • If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining = a device model, an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the informati= on defined in the topology YANG
    from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must.

>totally agree.

BR

&nbs= p;

Dani= ele 

&nbs= p;

F= rom: Beller, Die= ter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <dieter.beller@nokia.com><= /a>
Sent: den 15 mars 2019 18:11
To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>; Fatai Zhang <= a href=3D"mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com"> <zhangfatai@huawei.com>
Cc: Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if= -param-yang-06

 

Daniele & Fatai, WG,

before replying to the WG adoption poll, I would like to raise a concern:
draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 is IMHO opinion overlapping with = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 that also defines a YAN= G model including
optical transponder properties (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yan= g-01#section-2.5 and the related YANG model attributes).

As there is a lot of interest in draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topolog= y-yang-01 on the vendor as well as operator side ( we had weekly calls in t= he last weeks), the authors
are of the opinion that this draft shall also become a WG draft asap. This = is something that should be discussed during the CCAMP session at IETF 104&= nbsp; in Prague.

The concerns are:

  • How do we ensure consistency between the two drafts? T= he topology draft has a wider scope but deals with the same information con= tained in the if-param draft.
  • The topology draft also defines 2 additional options t= o address optical transponder properties - the if-param draft only supports= 1 out of 3 options!
  • If draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang is defining = a device model, an SDN controller must be capable to retrieve the informati= on defined in the topology YANG
    from the device in order to construct the topology. Hence model consistency= is really a must.

= Guidance from the chairs is appreciated.


Thanks,
Sergio and Dieter


On 11.03.2019 17:41, Daniele Ce= ccarelli wrote:

Working group,

 

We finally managed to collec= t all the IPR disclosures and we=A1=AFre ready to start the WG adoption pol= l for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP).

 

This starts a two weeks poll= on making  draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 a CCAMP working group docu= ment.

Please send email to the lis= t indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a= motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not support"= and nice to have for the "support".

 

The polling will end on M= onday March 25th ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai

 

 




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--_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF8ACCA7B94dggeml530mbxchi_-- From nobody Sun Mar 24 03:27:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F1B128BCC for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:27:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=uam.es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nxT4zH-o0CkQ for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eintn6.ti.uam.es (eintn6.ti.uam.es [150.244.8.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D442128BE6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 03:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imsvain1.ti.uam.es (pip9.ti.uam.es [192.168.12.216]) by eintn6.ti.uam.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC4210257C6 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:27:23 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=uam.es; s=uam; t=1553423243; bh=A8BRtLWMBEuhfLa8b9nsFOQWZMeKTvM6dVCX4CqecmY=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=FmeHF7vNgTIZXWZ1sAto2zMYIHTHPRtxoKOVNq9BmXeyYXa6lk9MtOdXMKhkKLClw TTGCms5HV4xrKQGa3XX0HX1JSdUJFYWwDAlGv3jb2JWJW36kzOriYIVDd5VkGmAnXG IaPTRWO9Xt08+8MlBs7/4R+NBr5pmamPkPV8d+Uk= Received: from imsvain1.ti.uam.es (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC894C182E for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:27:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from eintn5.ti.uam.es (unknown [192.168.12.216]) by imsvain1.ti.uam.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BECD4C1728 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:27:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.43] (54.red-81-39-81.dynamicip.rima-tde.net [81.39.81.54]) (Authenticated sender: jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es) by eintn5.ti.uam.es (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1855F30486BB for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:27:23 +0100 (CET) To: ccamp@ietf.org References: <155342252982.17961.4894080482721867092@ietfa.amsl.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_E=2e_L=c3=b3pez_de_Vergara_M=c3=a9ndez?= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:27:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <155342252982.17961.4894080482721867092@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BFDA6E45C202591D1322557C" Content-Language: es-ES X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-spam-scanned: IMSVA-9.0.0.1503-8.1.0.1062-22846.004 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:27:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BFDA6E45C202591D1322557C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit     Hi,     This update includes an enhanced security section and updated references. It is aligned with TE-tunnel changes and it also uses layer0-types for flexi-grid.     Best regards,     -Jorge El 24/03/2019 a las 11:15, internet-drafts@ietf.org escribió: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. > > Title : YANG data model for Flexi-Grid media-channels > Authors : Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara > Daniel Perdices > Victor Lopez > Oscar Gonzalez de Dios > Daniel King > Young Lee > Gabriele Galimberti > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02.txt > Pages : 36 > Date : 2019-03-24 > > Abstract: > This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical > media channels, complementing the information provided by the > flexi-grid topology model. > It is also grounded on other defined YANG abstract models. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp -- _ Jorge E. López de Vergara Méndez, Ph.D. _ _ /_| __ __ Dept. Tecn. Elec. y Comunicaciones | | | | \ | \ / | Escuela Politécnica Superior, C-224 | | | | /\\ | \/ | Universidad Autónoma de Madrid | | | | /__\\ | |\ /| | http://www.eps.uam.es/~jlopezv | `__´ | / \\ | | \/ | | mailto:Jorge.Lopez_Vergara@uam.es `-____-´_/_ _\\_|_| |_| Tel. +34 91 497 22 46 --------------BFDA6E45C202591D1322557C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    Hi,

    This update includes an enhanced security section and updated references. It is aligned with TE-tunnel changes and it also uses layer0-types for flexi-grid.

    Best regards,

    -Jorge

El 24/03/2019 a las 11:15, internet-drafts@ietf.org escribió:
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF.

        Title           : YANG data model for Flexi-Grid media-channels
        Authors         : Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara
                          Daniel Perdices
                          Victor Lopez
                          Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
                          Daniel King
                          Young Lee
                          Gabriele Galimberti
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02.txt
	Pages           : 36
	Date            : 2019-03-24

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical
   media channels, complementing the information provided by the
   flexi-grid topology model.
   It is also grounded on other defined YANG abstract models.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-yang-02


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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               _              Jorge E. López de Vergara Méndez, Ph.D.
 _    _       /_|   __    __  Dept. Tecn. Elec. y Comunicaciones
| |  | |     \     |  \  /  | Escuela Politécnica Superior, C-224
| |  | |    /\\    |   \/   | Universidad Autónoma de Madrid
| |  | |   /__\\   | |\  /| | http://www.eps.uam.es/~jlopezv
| `__´ |  /    \\  | | \/ | | mailto:Jorge.Lopez_Vergara@uam.es
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--------------BFDA6E45C202591D1322557C-- From nobody Sun Mar 24 21:07:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5081202D7; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:07:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ABY6N5wlvYzT; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74B25120264; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 2F6D37EE015AB47CC538; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 04:07:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.39) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 04:07:42 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.5]) by SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.195]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:07:39 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: tom petch , 'CCAMP' CC: "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHUz4F9b68J0+gyMUqn75OenLl6NKYb4SrA Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 04:07:38 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D104D5B@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <155137080705.28562.3021736862519057155.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D0E2936@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> <00ae01d4d052$659a6560$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: <00ae01d4d052$659a6560$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.220.69.130] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 04:07:47 -0000 Hi Tom, Sorry for this late reply to your comment. As this was very initial draft, = we did not have time to fix issues raised by you. We will address your comm= ent in the next revision.=20 Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]=20 Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:18 AM To: Leeyoung ; 'CCAMP' Cc: ccamp-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lee-ccamp-optic= al-impairment-topology-yang-01.txt Young I wonder who the target audience is for this I-D. The absence of Normative= References might suggest that everyone will be able to understand it; or p= erhaps not:-) I note the impressive list of editors for the I-D; I wonder if they can be = put to work coming up with YANG reference clauses for the objects defined h= erein e.g. Reed-Solomon and Hamming are fine for me but I need some pointer= s for Golay or the for the difference between identity DP_QAM8 {descriptio= n "DP-QAM8 (Dual Polarization Quadrature Amplitude Modulation)"; and = identity DC_DP_QAM8 {description "DC DP-QAM8 (Dual Polarization Quadrature Amplitude Modulation)"; dif= ferent identities, same description. I believe in a reference for every leaf, every identity, every typedef unle= ss there is clearly no need thereof. And I think that the G.65x, G.69x tha= t you do mention will be Normative References, which, in turn, gives a poin= ter to who is expected to be able to understand this I-D. And I believe in having references ab initio, to clarify understanding, not= something to be added just prior to requesting publication. And I note ' that may be used in the interfaces colored in yellow in Figure 1.' Mmm, I wonder how the RFC Editor will specify yellow lines. So, I am left wondering does it belong in the IETF or is there a better hom= e for it, one, e.g., which can print its standards in colour (sorry, color)= ? There are some lines too long and some quirky spellings, but they can wait. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leeyoung" To: "'CCAMP'" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 4:25 PM > Hello CCAMPer's, > > As a follow-up from IETF 103 Bangkok meeting, many interested parties have been working on impairment topology models for optical networks. > > We just wanted to bring the WG's attention on this effort. Your comments will be very appreciated it. > > Thanks & Best regards, > Young (on behalf of co-authors and contributors). > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:20 AM .auge@orange.com> > > A new version of I-D, draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF repository. > > Name: draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang > Revision: 01 > Title: A Yang Data Model for Optical Impairment-aware Topology=20 > Document date: 2019-02-28 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 36 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment- topology-yang-01.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topo logy-yang/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology- yang-01 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment -topology-yang > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-top ology-yang-01 > > Abstract: > In order to provision an optical connection through optical > networks, a combination of path continuity, resource availability, > and impairment constraints must be met to determine viable and > optimal paths through the network. The determination of appropriate > paths is known as Impairment-Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment > (IA-RWA) for WSON, while it is known as Impairment-Aware Routing and > Spectrum Assigment (IA-RSA) for SSON. > > This document provides a YANG data model for the impairment-aware TE > topology in optical networks. > > > From nobody Sun Mar 24 22:13:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB6E1202B4; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:13:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155349079610.18930.16913543878132550194@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:13:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-20.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:13:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for WSON (Wavelength Switched Optical Networks) Authors : Young Lee Dhruv Dhody Aihua Guo Victor Lopez Daniel King Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-20.txt Pages : 89 Date : 2019-03-24 Abstract: This document provides a YANG data model for the routing and wavelength assignment (RWA) TE topology in wavelength switched optical networks (WSONs). The YANG data model defined in this document conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture defined in RFC 8342. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-20 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 24 22:29:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7E2120350 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:29:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NOTNj9K43Ow2 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73AE712034E for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 815AC289AAC4F83C081E for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:29:38 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.5]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.224]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:29:32 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: tom petch , "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18.txt Thread-Index: AQHU0Czod+Lst4P3mEqT94WFCPr+K6Yb6aCA Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:29:32 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D104D9F@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <051a01d4d02c$a3a190c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: <051a01d4d02c$a3a190c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.220.69.130] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:29:44 -0000 Hi Tom, My apologies for my late response. I agree with all your comments. Version = 20 has been uploaded. https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-= wson-yang-20=20 Please see inline for my comment. If there is still something that I have m= issed, please let me know.=20 Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]=20 Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 6:47 AM To: Leeyoung ; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18.txt Looking at -19: - you still have 'wavelenghth' which has a 'h' too many, twice YL>> Fixed -you still have The YANG model described in this document is a WSON technology-specific YANG model augmenting the generic TE topology module [TE-TOPO] based on the information model developed in [RFC7446] and the two encoding documents [RFC7581] and [RFC7579] that developed protocol independent encodings based on [RFC7446]. in the YANG module which MUST be plain text so HTML/XML references are not = allowed YL>> rid of all brackets; instead of [TE-TOPO], refer to the YANG module: i= etf-te-topology.=20 And the YANG has reference "ITU-T G.698.2 (11/2009) Section 5.3"; - always good to see reference clauses - but it means "ITU-T G.698.2 (11/= 2009)" needs to appear in the I-D references and needs to be referenced from the b= ody of the I-D YL>> Corrected as you suggested. Introduced G.698.2 as the reference in the= introduction of the I-D.=20 reference "TBD"; well, is TBD! YL>> Replaced TBD with RFC 7581.=20 Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "t.petch" To: "Leeyoung" ; Sent: Friday, December 07, 2018 12:45 PM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leeyoung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 5:23 PM > > > > This revision, we hope, incorporated all comments from Tom and others. > The co-authors believe that it is ready for WG LC. > > Almost but I fear that there is a step backwards as well. > > You still have two > Wavelenghth > which should probably be > Wavelength > > More problematically, you have introduced > > description > " ... > The YANG model described in this document is a WSON > technology-specific YANG model augmenting the generic TE > topology module [TE-TOPO] based on the information model > developed in [RFC7446] and the two encoding documents > [RFC7581] and [RFC7579] that developed protocol independent > encodings based on [RFC7446]. > > Those [RFC..] look like XML/HTML style references which will not do. A > YANG module must be plain text so > RFC6163 > is fine in a YANG module but > [RFC6163] > is not, which is why, in my last comment, I suggested putting a=20 > reference to RFC6163 in section 1.4 lest you get an unused reference for > the I-D; which you have done, so that is fine, but all those [RFC...] in > the YANG module must go. AFAICS it is only the description clause that > has them. > > For TE-TOPO, you need to use the same text as you have correctly done on > the YANG import statement i.e. > > "RFC YYYY: YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies"; > > /* Note: The RFC Editor will replace YYYY with the number assigned to=20 > the RFC once draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo becomes an RFC.*/ > > Whether this is fixed before or after Last Call is one for the WG=20 > Chairs. > > I probably said before that the nature of the module, which you are=20 > forced to use because of the way that tet: is structured, makes the=20 > module very hard to read and that I have not done; I hope to but may=20 > never find the time. > > Tom Petch > > > Thanks & best regards, > > Young > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 11:18 AM > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane > WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : A YANG Data Model for WSON (Wavelength > Switched Optical Networks) > > Authors : Young Lee > > Dhruv Dhody > > Aihua Guo > > Victor Lopez > > Daniel King > > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18.txt > > Pages : 77 > > Date : 2018-12-05 > > > > Abstract: > > This document provides a YANG data model for the routing and > > wavelength assignment (RWA) TE topology in wavelength switched > > optical networks (WSONs). The YANG data model defined in this > > document conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture > > defined in RFC 8342. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-18 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at=20 > tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CCAMP mailing list > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > 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Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [134.108.29.249] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:06:44 -0000 Hi all, In addition to my comment on the mic regarding references for performance m= etrics definition, I just read the following sentence: "The Service SDN Controller is the control/management entity owned by highe= r-layer service department (e.g., L2/3 VPN) whereas the Network SDN Control= ler is the control/management entity responsible for Layer 1 connectivity s= ervice."=20 I would suggest to replace "L2/3 VPN" by "L2/L3". At least for IP VPNs, there are different ways how the IP VPN can be manage= d. Most importantly, an IP "SDN controller" that would interface the L1 SDN= controller may not necessarily deal with IP VPNs. For instance, the IP "SD= N controller" that actually is aware of the transport network could be an I= P PCE. However, IP VPNs such as L3VPN or VPLS may not be managed by that PC= E, but instead they may be configured by yet another software component - t= hese software components could even come from different vendors. I believe = it is not uncommon to implement the IP PCE and the IP service provisioning = in different software components. IMHO it is also possible that the operati= onal team in the network operator that manages the IP routing infrastructur= e (e.g. BGP routing) is different to the department that deploys customer-f= acing IP VPNs on top of that IP network. These IP details actually don't ma= tter for this specific document. But IMHO the document should not make assu= mptions about the way the IP network is engineered and operated. 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The room is Paris: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/floor-plan?room=paris#lobby And it is booked for the following slots: - Tuesday 26th : 10:00-11:00 - Tuesday 26th : 16:00-18:00 BR Daniele ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01D4E30F.23A1AE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

WG,

 

We managed to book Paris meeting room for the side meetings = on optical impairment topology and interfaces.

The room is Paris: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/floor-plan?room=3Dp= aris#lobby

And it is booked for the following = slots:

 

- Tuesday 26th : = 10:00-11:00

- Tuesday 26th : 16:00-18:00 =

BR

Daniele  =

 

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X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.220.64.245] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D105FA2sjceml521mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:18:24 -0000 --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D105FA2sjceml521mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, Thanks for your comment. Please see inline for my comment. Best regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: Scharf, Michael [mailto:Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 5:07 AM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang Hi all, In addition to my comment on the mic regarding references for performance m= etrics definition, I just read the following sentence: YL>> Will add references for metric definition. "The Service SDN Controller is the control/management entity owned by highe= r-layer service department (e.g., L2/3 VPN) whereas the Network SDN Control= ler is the control/management entity responsible for Layer 1 connectivity s= ervice." I would suggest to replace "L2/3 VPN" by "L2/L3". At least for IP VPNs, there are different ways how the IP VPN can be manage= d. Most importantly, an IP "SDN controller" that would interface the L1 SDN= controller may not necessarily deal with IP VPNs. For instance, the IP "SD= N controller" that actually is aware of the transport network could be an I= P PCE. However, IP VPNs such as L3VPN or VPLS may not be managed by that PC= E, but instead they may be configured by yet another software component - t= hese software components could even come from different vendors. I believe = it is not uncommon to implement the IP PCE and the IP service provisioning = in different software components. IMHO it is also possible that the operati= onal team in the network operator that manages the IP routing infrastructur= e (e.g. BGP routing) is different to the department that deploys customer-f= acing IP VPNs on top of that IP network. These IP details actually don't ma= tter for this specific document. But IMHO the document should not make assu= mptions about the way the IP network is engineered and operated. YL>> Would "L2/L3 services" work for you? My 2 academic cents Michael --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D105FA2sjceml521mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Michael,

 

Thanks for your comment. Please see inline for my= comment.

 

Best regards,

Young

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Scharf, Michael [mailto:Michael.Scharf@hs-e= sslingen.de]

Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 5:07 AM

To: draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang@ietf.org

Cc: ccamp@ietf.org

Subject: Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang

 

Hi all,

 

In addition to my comment on the mic regarding re= ferences for performance metrics definition, I just read the following sent= ence:

 

YL>> Will add references for metric defi= nition.

 

"The Service SDN Controller is the control/m= anagement entity owned by higher-layer service department (e.g., L2/3 VPN) = whereas the Network SDN Controller is the control/management entity respons= ible for Layer 1 connectivity service."

 

I would suggest to replace "L2/3 VPN" b= y "L2/L3".

 

At least for IP VPNs, there are different ways ho= w the IP VPN can be managed. Most importantly, an IP "SDN controller&q= uot; that would interface the L1 SDN controller may not necessarily deal wi= th IP VPNs. For instance, the IP "SDN controller" that actually is aware of the transport network could be an IP PCE. Howeve= r, IP VPNs such as L3VPN or VPLS may not be managed by that PCE, but instea= d they may be configured by yet another software component - these software= components could even come from different vendors. I believe it is not uncommon to implement the IP PCE an= d the IP service provisioning in different software components. IMHO it is = also possible that the operational team in the network operator that manage= s the IP routing infrastructure (e.g. BGP routing) is different to the department that deploys customer-fa= cing IP VPNs on top of that IP network. These IP details actually don't mat= ter for this specific document. But IMHO the document should not make assum= ptions about the way the IP network is engineered and operated.

 

YL>> Would "L2/L3 services" wo= rk for you?

 

My 2 academic cents

 

Michael

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Hi=C2=A0Kireeti/Yakov/Zafar/Reshad/Danny/Dimitri,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Can you please help with the query.

Thanks & Regards
N= ells K.S


On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 11:51 NELLS K.S <louisnells@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have = a query on RFC4558 & RFC4206, regarding "Maintenance of RSVP HELLO= adjacency over a FA adjacency".

I see that:
1) RFC3209 talks about HEL= LO adjacency over a directly connected numbered interface.
2) RFC4558 further extended HELLO adjacency over directly connected = unnumbered interfaces.

B= oth above documents specified IP TTL value of the HELLO as 1 -- because nod= es were directly connected/adjacent.

So when an LSP is tunnelled through a FA-LSP, is there any IET= F document which covers procedures to be followed for non-adjacent/out-of-b= and HELLO adjacency ?

RF= C4206 does talk about procedures to be followed for PATH messages. i.e. avo= iding IP TTL vs. RSVP TTL check in this case. Does these procedures applies= to HELLO messages as well ?


Thanks & Regards
Nells K.S
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--0000000000003fe2d60584ec551a-- From nobody Mon Mar 25 08:41:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAAD1203E3; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hs-esslingen.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3s2uy3XysBEJ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hs-esslingen.de (mail.hs-esslingen.de [134.108.32.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1752A1203BD; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hs-esslingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1A025A19; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:41:52 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hs-esslingen.de; s=mail; t=1553528512; bh=rws/Iur6fg9BwkgpAdz2FwRPPoLDgPmKgJZisOp0sFw=; h=From:To:CC:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=LcHN/wbw6r/jJ78jaYBspIrri4f8PEVWU+R8vbXMJSASmttcl0Uo1RZhOGue8C0n/ rpAOn07ATn4VebuqxnR4pCb1yzTITo8WzllrrOZgIFdQWaHILnmt5wfGGOnEDDBZT3 xEt/RvYZfNX+Aw5QZwl22IigFNPGzl1RKpSAVHTM= X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.7.1 (20120429) (Debian) at hs-esslingen.de Received: from mail.hs-esslingen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hs-esslingen.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VzFllfm2nLkD; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:41:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from rznt8101.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de (rznt8101.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de [134.108.29.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hs-esslingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:41:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from RZNT8114.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de ([169.254.3.111]) by rznt8101.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de ([fe80::bd73:d6a9:24d7:95f1%10]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:41:51 +0100 From: "Scharf, Michael" To: Leeyoung , "draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang@ietf.org" CC: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang Thread-Index: AdTi8lSE8C9tuCAKSDKk0lbNS+1YsgAImz2gAALMUGA= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:41:51 +0000 Message-ID: <6EC6417807D9754DA64F3087E2E2E03E2D27FC37@rznt8114.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de> References: <6EC6417807D9754DA64F3087E2E2E03E2D27E849@rznt8114.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D105FA2@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D105FA2@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [134.108.29.249] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6EC6417807D9754DA64F3087E2E2E03E2D27FC37rznt8114rzntrzd_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 15:41:58 -0000 --_000_6EC6417807D9754DA64F3087E2E2E03E2D27FC37rznt8114rzntrzd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regarding "L2/L3 services": To me that is a synonym of "L2/L3 VPN" and thus= it has the same issues. As far as I am familiar with implementations of IP "SDN controllers", I bel= ieve that the software component that would deal with L1 connectivity may n= ot be identical to the software component that manages L2/L3 services. I al= ready mentioned that the former could be a IP PCE while the latter could be= a service provisioning tool. I believe that vendors may use different soft= ware components for these two functions (disclaimer: this comment is not ab= out products of my former employer). The wording "L2/L3 services" thus implies a certain software architecture f= or the IP "SDN controller" and that assumption may not reflect (some) runni= ng code. As I wrote, an easy fix would be just to use the term "L2/L3" as this avoid= s these subtle issues that are actually orthogonal to this document. Michael From: Leeyoung Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 3:18 PM To: Scharf, Michael ; draft-ietf-ccamp-l1cs= m-yang@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: RE: Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang Hi Michael, Thanks for your comment. Please see inline for my comment. Best regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: Scharf, Michael [mailto:Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 5:07 AM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang Hi all, In addition to my comment on the mic regarding references for performance m= etrics definition, I just read the following sentence: YL>> Will add references for metric definition. "The Service SDN Controller is the control/management entity owned by highe= r-layer service department (e.g., L2/3 VPN) whereas the Network SDN Control= ler is the control/management entity responsible for Layer 1 connectivity s= ervice." I would suggest to replace "L2/3 VPN" by "L2/L3". At least for IP VPNs, there are different ways how the IP VPN can be manage= d. Most importantly, an IP "SDN controller" that would interface the L1 SDN= controller may not necessarily deal with IP VPNs. For instance, the IP "SD= N controller" that actually is aware of the transport network could be an I= P PCE. However, IP VPNs such as L3VPN or VPLS may not be managed by that PC= E, but instead they may be configured by yet another software component - t= hese software components could even come from different vendors. I believe = it is not uncommon to implement the IP PCE and the IP service provisioning = in different software components. IMHO it is also possible that the operati= onal team in the network operator that manages the IP routing infrastructur= e (e.g. BGP routing) is different to the department that deploys customer-f= acing IP VPNs on top of that IP network. These IP details actually don't ma= tter for this specific document. But IMHO the document should not make assu= mptions about the way the IP network is engineered and operated. YL>> Would "L2/L3 services" work for you? My 2 academic cents Michael --_000_6EC6417807D9754DA64F3087E2E2E03E2D27FC37rznt8114rzntrzd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Regarding „L2/L3 services“: To me that is a= synonym of “L2/L3 VPN” and thus it has the same issues.

 

As far as I am familiar with implementations of IP R= 20;SDN controllers”, I believe that the software component that would= deal with L1 connectivity may not be identical to the software component that manages L2/L3 services. I already mentioned th= at the former could be a IP PCE while the latter could be a service provisi= oning tool. I believe that vendors may use different software components fo= r these two functions (disclaimer: this comment is not about products of my former employer).

 

The wording “L2/L3 services” thus implies a= certain software architecture for the IP “SDN controller” and = that assumption may not reflect (some) running code.

 

As I wrote, an easy fix would be just to use the term &= #8220;L2/L3” as this avoids these subtle issues that are actually ort= hogonal to this document.

 

Michael

 

 

From: Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 3:18 PM
To: Scharf, Michael <Michael.Scharf@hs-esslingen.de>; draft-ie= tf-ccamp-l1csm-yang@ietf.org
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang

 

Hi Michael,

 

Thanks for your comment. Ple= ase see inline for my comment.

 

Best regards,

Young

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Scharf, Michael [mailto:Michael.Scharf@hs-essli= ngen.de]

Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019= 5:07 AM

To: draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang@ietf.org

Cc: ccamp@ietf.org

Subject: Comment on draft-ie= tf-ccamp-l1csm-yang

 

Hi all,

 

In addition to my comment on= the mic regarding references for performance metrics definition, I just re= ad the following sentence:

 <= /b>

YL>> Will add refer= ences for metric definition.

 

"The Service SDN Contro= ller is the control/management entity owned by higher-layer service departm= ent (e.g., L2/3 VPN) whereas the Network SDN Controller is the control/mana= gement entity responsible for Layer 1 connectivity service."

 

I would suggest to replace &= quot;L2/3 VPN" by "L2/L3".

 

At least for IP VPNs, there = are different ways how the IP VPN can be managed. Most importantly, an IP &= quot;SDN controller" that would interface the L1 SDN controller may no= t necessarily deal with IP VPNs. For instance, the IP "SDN controller" that actually is aware of the transport = network could be an IP PCE. However, IP VPNs such as L3VPN or VPLS may not = be managed by that PCE, but instead they may be configured by yet another s= oftware component - these software components could even come from different vendors. I believe it is not uncommon to im= plement the IP PCE and the IP service provisioning in different software co= mponents. IMHO it is also possible that the operational team in the network= operator that manages the IP routing infrastructure (e.g. BGP routing) is different to the department that depl= oys customer-facing IP VPNs on top of that IP network. These IP details act= ually don't matter for this specific document. But IMHO the document should= not make assumptions about the way the IP network is engineered and operated.

 

YL>> Would "L2= /L3 services" work for you?

 

My 2 academic cents

 

Michael

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Authors, please resubmit the draft as draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00 changing only title and date. Please note that we are planning to complete/extend this work including optical impairments topology (this is a candidate for such work https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-0 1.txt ) and the working group is expected to work on solving any overlap and keeping the two activities fully aligned. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai From: CCAMP On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: den 11 mars 2019 17:42 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 Working group, We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and we're ready to start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts (YANG and LMP). This starts a two weeks poll on making draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and nice to have for the "support". The polling will end on Monday March 25th .. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai ------=_NextPart_001_019F_01D4E3B7.F8618D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

WG,

 

The poll is closed and the draft adopted as WG = document.

Authors, please resubmit the draft as  draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00 changing only title and date.

 

Please note that we are planning to = complete/extend this work including optical impairments topology (this = is a candidate for such work  https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment= -topology-yang-01.txt ) and the working = group is expected to work on solving any overlap and keeping the two = activities fully aligned.

 

Thanks,

 

Daniele  & = Fatai

 

From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: den 11 mars 2019 = 17:42
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on = draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06

 

Working = group,

 

We finally managed to collect all the IPR disclosures and = we’re ready to start the WG adoption poll for the dwdm-if drafts = (YANG and LMP).

 

This starts a two weeks poll on making  = draft-dharini-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-06 a CCAMP working group = document.

Please send email to the list indicating = "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a = motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not = support" and nice to have for the = "support".

 

The polling will end on Monday March 25th = ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai

 

 

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VI1PR07MB5056 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:41:42 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_01A6_01D4E3B8.16F35380 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_01A7_01D4E3B8.16F35380" ------=_NextPart_001_01A7_01D4E3B8.16F35380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WG, The poll is closed and the draft adopted as WG document. Authors, please resubmit the draft as draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-00 changing only title and date. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai From: CCAMP On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: den 11 mars 2019 17:42 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 Working group, This starts a two weeks poll on making draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and nice to have for the "support". The polling will end on Monday March 25th .. Thanks, Daniele & Fatai ------=_NextPart_001_01A7_01D4E3B8.16F35380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

WG,

 

The poll is closed and the draft = adopted as WG document.

Authors, please resubmit the draft as  draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-00 changing only title and date.

 

Thanks,

Daniele & = Fatai

 

From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: den 11 mars 2019 = 17:42
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on = draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08

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Working group,

 

This starts a two weeks poll on = making  draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-08 a CCAMP = working group document.

Please send email to the list = indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and = a motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not = support" and nice to have for the = "support".

 

The polling will end on Monday March 25th = ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai

 

 

 

 

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ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13801202C1; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 02:56:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: Cc: Martin Vigoureux , Deborah Brungard , Vishnu Beeram , Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List , Adrian Farrel , Scott Mansfield , Dhruv Dhody , Path Computation Element Discussion List , Nicolai Leymann , John Drake , Alvaro Retana , Daniele Ceccarelli , Loa Andersson , Lou Berger , Common Control and Measurement Plane Discussion List , Fatai Zhang , scott.mansfield@ericsson.com, itu-t-liaison@iab.org, Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Discussion List , Julien Meuric X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155359419797.20696.5453093815420919008.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 02:56:37 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] New Liaison Statement, "Reply to LS on OTNT Standardization Work Plan" X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 09:56:45 -0000 Title: Reply to LS on OTNT Standardization Work Plan Submission Date: 2019-03-26 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1636/ From: Scott Mansfield To: hiroshi.ota@itu.int Cc: John Drake ,Deborah Brungard ,Julien Meuric ,Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List ,Adrian Farrel ,Scott Mansfield ,Fatai Zhang ,Vishnu Beeram ,Path Computation Element Discussion List ,Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Discussion List ,Martin Vigoureux ,Alvaro Retana ,Daniele Ceccarelli ,Dhruv Dhody ,Loa Andersson ,Lou Berger ,Common Control and Measurement Plane Discussion List ,itu-t-liaison@iab.org,Nicolai Leymann ,itu-t-liaison@iab.org Response Contacts: scott.mansfield@ericsson.com Technical Contacts: scott.mansfield@ericsson.com Purpose: For information Body: Thank you for your continued interest in the work of the IETF related to OTNT standardization. Below is a list of the recent RFCs and working group drafts related to OTNT. * Recent Relevant RFC * RFC8282 * Extensions to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Inter-Layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8282/ * RFC8283 * An Architecture for Use of PCE and the PCE Communication Protocol (PCEP) in a Network with Central Control * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8283/ * RFC8363 * GMPLS OSPF-TE Extensions in Support of Flexi-Grid Dense Wavelength Division Multiplexing (DWDM) Networks * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8363/ * RFC8413 * Framework for Scheduled Use of Resources * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8413/ * RFC 8453 * Framework for Abstraction and Control of TE Networks (ACTN) * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8453/ * RFC 8469 * Recommendation to Use the Ethernet Control Word * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc8469/ * Working Group Updates * Common Control and Measurement Plane (ccamp) * A framework for Management and Control of DWDM optical interface parameters * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk/ * YANG data model for Flexi-Grid media-channels * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-media-channel-ya ng/ * YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexigrid-yang/ * Applicability of GMPLS for B100G Optical Transport Network * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-otn-b100g-applicabil ity/ * A YANG Data Model for L1 Connectivity Service Model (L1CSM) * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang/ * A YANG Data Model for Optical Transport Network Topology * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-topo-yang/ * OTN Tunnel YANG Model * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-tunnel-model/ * Information Encoding for WSON with Impairments Validation * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-encode/ * Information Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSONs) with Impairments Validation * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-iv-info/ * A Yang Data Model for WSON Tunnel * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-tunnel-model/ * A YANG Data Model for WSON (Wavelength Switched Optical Networks) * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang/ * Path Computation Element (pce) * PCEP Extension for WSON Routing and Wavelength Assignment * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext/ * PCEP extensions for GMPLS * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions/ * PCEP Extension for Flexible Grid Networks * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-flexible-grid/ * Path Computation Element (PCE) Protocol Extensions for Stateful PCE Usage in GMPLS-controlled Networks * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-stateful-pce-gmpls/ * Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) Extensions for remote-initiated GMPLS LSP Setup * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-remote-initiated-gmpls-lsp/ The list of upcoming IETF meetings can be found on the IETF website at https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/upcoming/ Thank You, Daniele Ceccarelli (CCAMP Chair), Fatai Zhang (CCAMP Chair), Dhruv Dhody (PCE Chair) , Adrian Farrel (PCE Chair), Julien Meuric (PCE Chair), Vishnu Beeram (TEAS Chair), Lou Berger (TEAS Chair), Loa Andersson (MPLS Chair), Nicolai Leymann (MPLS Chair), and Scott Mansfield (IETF's ITU-T Liaison) Attachments: No document has been attached From nobody Tue Mar 26 06:16:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90247120004; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:16:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155360616054.20829.4521901865199051544@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:16:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:16:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : Extension to the Link Management Protocol (LMP/DWDM -rfc4209) for Dense Wavelength Division Multiplexing (DWDM) Optical Line Systems to manage the application code of optical interface parameters in DWDM application Authors : Dharini Hiremagalur Gert Grammel Gabriele Galimberti Ruediger Kunze Dieter Beller Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-00.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2019-03-26 Abstract: This memo defines extensions to LMP(rfc4209) for managing Optical parameters associated with Wavelength Division Multiplexing (WDM) systems in accordance with the Interface Application Identifier approach defined in ITU-T Recommendation G.694.1.[ITU.G694.1] and its extensions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Mar 26 06:23:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F111120003; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:23:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155360662748.20737.16801824747724790237@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:23:47 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:23:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG model to manage the optical interface parameters for an external transponder in a WDM network Authors : Gabriele Galimberti Ruediger Kunze Dharini Hiremagalur Gert Grammel Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2019-03-26 Abstract: This memo defines a Yang model related to the Optical Transceiver parameters characterising coherent 100G and above interfaces. 100G and above Transceivers support coherent modulation, multiple modulation formats, multiple FEC codes including some not yet specified (or by in phase of specification by) ITU-T G.698.2 [ITU.G698.2] or any other ITU-T recommendation. More context about the state of the Coherent transceivers is described in draft-many- coherent-DWDM-if-control. Use cases are described in RFC7698. The Yang model defined in this memo can be used for Optical Parameters monitoring and/or configuration of the endpoints of a multi-vendor IaDI optical link. The use of this model does not guarantee interworking of transceivers over a DWDM. Optical path feasibility and interoperability has to be determined by means outside the scope of this document. The purpose of this model is to program interface parameters to consistently configure the mode of operation of transceivers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:49:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Alarm Module Authors : Stefan Vallin Martin Bjorklund Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08.txt Pages : 82 Date : 2019-03-26 Abstract: This document defines a YANG module for alarm management. It includes functions for alarm list management, alarm shelving and notifications to inform management systems. There are also operations to manage the operator state of an alarm and administrative alarm procedures. The module carefully maps to relevant alarm standards. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Mar 26 06:50:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1671202DD for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:50:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4FTM6UwPSqf5 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63F11202DC for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dhcp-97ad.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.151.173]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EAE881AE08F1; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:50:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:50:21 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20190326.145021.382345440775844174.mbj@tail-f.com> To: daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Cc: ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: References: <20190322.134249.387057810261874257.mbj@tail-f.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] YANG issue in draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:50:26 -0000 Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Thanks a lot Martin for finding the issue and letting the WG know about it. > > > I.e., change it to an enumeration leaf with a default value, and add an > additional leaf to set the severity level when the enum "severity-level" is > set. > > I don't see this as a major change. Please update the draft, we won't need > another round of review. The draft (-08) is now posted with these fixes. /martin > > Thanks > > Daniele > > -----Original Message----- > From: CCAMP On Behalf Of Martin Bjorklund > Sent: den 22 mars 2019 13:43 > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] YANG issue in draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module > > Hi, > > When we fixed the review comments for this draft, I found an issue with the > current YANG model. Currently we have: > > > choice notify-status-changes { > description > "This leaf controls the notifications sent for alarm status > updates. There are three options: > > [...]"; > > leaf notify-all-state-changes { > type empty; > description > "Send notifications for all status changes."; > } > leaf notify-raise-and-clear { > type empty; > description > "Send notifications only for raise, clear, and re-raise. > Notifications for severity level changes or alarm text > changes are not sent."; > } > leaf notify-severity-level { > type severity; > description > "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing > the specified level. Always send clear notifications."; > } > } > > > First of all, the description refers to the choice as a leaf; the main text > has the same issue. > > But worse is that it isn't described what happens if no leafs in this choice > are configured. What is the default? > > Since the leafs are of type empty we can't just add a default statement to > the choice. > > So we suggest the following updated model to fix this issue: > > leaf notify-status-changes { > type enumeration { > enum all-state-changes { > description > "Send notifications for all status changes."; > } > enum raise-and-clear { > description > "Send notifications only for raise, clear, and > re-raise. Notifications for severity level changes or > alarm text changes are not sent."; > } > enum severity-level { > description > "Only send notifications for alarm state changes > crossing the level specified in > 'notify-severity-level'. Always send clear > notifications."; > } > } > must '. != "severity-level" or ../notify-severity-level' { > description > "When notify-status-changes is 'severity-level', a value > must be given for notify-severity-level."; > } > default "all-state-changes"; > description > "This leaf controls the notifications sent for alarm status > updates. There are three options: > > [...]"; > } > leaf notify-severity-level { > when '../notify-status-changes = "severity-level"'; > type severity; > description > "Only send notifications for alarm state changes crossing > the specified level. Always send clear notifications."; > } > > > I.e., change it to an enumeration leaf with a default value, and add an > additional leaf to set the severity level when the enum "severity-level" is > set. > > Note that it doesn't change any major concepts; it is a model change to > better describe the semantics. > > Unless we hear any objections, we'll make this change in the updated draft > that will be sent to the IESG. > > > > /martin > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Tue Mar 26 07:37:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D508C1202FE for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 07:37:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele ------=_NextPart_001_03EC_01D4E3EB.6E5DAE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Working = Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of = draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we’re planning to start = the WG adoption process of = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two = drafts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

Are you aware of any IPR that = applies to draft identified above?

 

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details)?

If yes to the above, please state = either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant = IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S = TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as = an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the = IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty= .

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

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[CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:50:51 -0000 --_000_AM0PR07MB59217863FB5EB71C8EE38BA9915F0AM0PR07MB5921eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniele, "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Thanks Sergio From: Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 3:49 PM To: jonas.martensson@ri.se; leeyoung@huawei.com; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian= @huawei.com) ; Italo Busi ;= nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor Lopez ; Ga= briele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) ; giomarti@cisco.com= ; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com; julien.meuric@orange= .com; Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) ; Belo= tti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) ; Griseri, Enr= ico (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) ; Gert Grammel (ggramm= el@juniper.net) Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Hi Working Group, GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we're = planning to start the WG adoption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impair= ment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two drafts together. Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yan= g-01 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele --_000_AM0PR07MB59217863FB5EB71C8EE38BA9915F0AM0PR07MB5921eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Daniele,

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft"

 

Thanks

Sergio

 

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarel= li@ericsson.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 3:49 PM
To: jonas.martensson@ri.se; leeyoung@huawei.com; Zhenghaomian (zheng= haomian@huawei.com) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; Italo Busi <Italo.B= usi@huawei.com>; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor Lopez <victor.lopezalvar= ez@telefonica.com>; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; giomarti@cisco.com; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; e= sther.lerouzic@orange.com; julien.meuric@orange.com; Beller, Dieter (Nokia = - DE/Stuttgart) <dieter.beller@nokia.com>; Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - I= T/Vimercate) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>; Griseri, Enrico (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <enrico.griseri@nokia.com>; Gert Gramm= el (ggrammel@juniper.net) <ggrammel@juniper.net>
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-= yang-01

 

Hi Working Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-i= f-param-yang-00, we’re planning to start the WG adoption process of d= raft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two draf= ts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-= impairment-topology-yang-01

 

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft ident= ified above?

 

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dra= ft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:=

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"<= /o:p>

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional deta= ils you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contri= butor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whe= ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESS= AGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not li= sted as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under t= he IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related= to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

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References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.220.69.171] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D1074E8sjceml521mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:53:23 -0000 --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D1074E8sjceml521mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniele, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Young From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:49 AM To: jonas.martensson@ri.se; Leeyoung ; Zhenghaomian (Z= henghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) ; I= talo Busi ; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor Lopez ; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) ; giomarti@cisco.com; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzi= c@orange.com; julien.meuric@orange.com; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.= com) ; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@no= kia.com) ; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; Gert Grammel= (ggrammel@juniper.net) Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Hi Working Group, GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we're = planning to start the WG adoption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impair= ment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two drafts together. Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yan= g-01 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D1074E8sjceml521mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Daniele,=

 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this dr= aft.

 

Young

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.cecc= arelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:49 AM
To: jonas.martensson@ri.se; Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>; Zh= enghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) <zhenghaomia= n@huawei.com>; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; nicosambo@gmail= .com; Victor Lopez <victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; giomarti@= cisco.com; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com; julien.meur= ic@orange.com; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com) <Dieter.Beller@no= kia.com>; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; Gert Grammel (= ggrammel@juniper.net) <ggrammel@juniper.net>
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-= yang-01

 

Hi Working Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-i= f-param-yang-00, we’re planning to start the WG adoption process of d= raft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two draf= ts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-= impairment-topology-yang-01

 

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft ident= ified above?

 

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dra= ft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:=

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"<= /o:p>

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional deta= ils you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contri= butor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whe= ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESS= AGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not li= sted as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under t= he IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related= to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fatai & Daniele, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Thanks, Dieter On 26.03.2019 15:49, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Hi Working Group, GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we=92r= e planning to start the WG adoption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impa= irment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two drafts together. Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yan= g-01 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele --_000_7bdc8a7d7a5a0306a234cac614311a36nokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fatai & Daniele,

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Thanks,
Dieter


On 26.03.2019 15:49, Daniele Ceccarelli wrot= e:

Hi Working Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of dr= aft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we=92re planning to start the WG adop= tion process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to prog= ress the two drafts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for dra= ft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

 

Are you aware of any IPR that a= pplies to draft identified above?

 

Please state either:=

"No, I'm not aware of any = IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR tha= t applies to this draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details)?

If yes to the above, please sta= te either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been dis= closed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provid= e any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YO= U LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG emai= l list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of you= r obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the I= ETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribut= ion or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, pl= ease see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele<= /span>

 

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> > > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > you are aware of any relevant IPR. > > > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules > which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others > on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any > contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Fatai & Daniele > > > > --000000000000e00b5f0585008889 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Daniele,

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft&q= uot;

Best,
Nicola

Il giorno mar 26 mar 2019 alle= ore 15:53 Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <dieter.beller@nokia.com> ha scritto:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Hi Fatai & Daniele,

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Thanks,
Dieter


On 26.03.2019 15= :49, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:

Hi Working Group,=

=C2=A0

GIven the recent adoption of dr= aft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we=E2=80=99re planning to start the W= G adoption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 t= o progress the two drafts together.

=C2=A0

Here is the IPR polling for dra= ft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=C2=A0

Are you aware of any IPR that a= pplies to draft identified above?

=C2=A0

Please state either:<= /u>

"No, I'm not aware of = any IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR= that applies to this draft"

=C2=A0

If so, has this IPR been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details)?

If yes to the above, please sta= te either:

=C2=A0

"Yes, the IPR has been dis= closed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

=C2=A0

If you answer no, please provid= e any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

=C2=A0

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YO= U LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

=C2=A0

If you are on the CCAMP WG emai= l list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of you= r obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the I= ETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribut= ion or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, pl= ease see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks

=C2=A0

Fatai & Daniele

=C2=A0

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"enrico.griseri@nokia.com" , "Gert Grammel (ggrammel@juniper.net)" CC: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Thread-Index: AdTj4oMn1HLL1yMQRHWm+RDJTyEXlwABB/Dw Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:14:56 +0000 Message-ID: <91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B276F37F4@lhreml504-mbs> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.220.68.201] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B276F37F4lhreml504mbs_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:15:24 -0000 --_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B276F37F4lhreml504mbs_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Italo From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: marted=EC 26 marzo 2019 15:49 To: jonas.martensson@ri.se; Leeyoung ; Zhenghaomian (Z= henghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) ; I= talo Busi ; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor Lopez ; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) ; giomarti@cisco.com; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzi= c@orange.com; julien.meuric@orange.com; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.= com) ; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@no= kia.com) ; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; Gert Grammel= (ggrammel@juniper.net) Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Hi Working Group, GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we're = planning to start the WG adoption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impair= ment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two drafts together. Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yan= g-01 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele --_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B276F37F4lhreml504mbs_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft

 

Italo

 

From:<= /span> Daniele Ceccarelli [m= ailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: marted=EC 26 marzo 2019 15:49
To: jonas.martensson@ri.se; Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>; Zh= enghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) <zhenghaomia= n@huawei.com>; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; nicosambo@gmail= .com; Victor Lopez <victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; giomarti@= cisco.com; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com; julien.meur= ic@orange.com; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com) <Dieter.Beller@no= kia.com>; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; Gert Grammel (= ggrammel@juniper.net) <ggrammel@juniper.net>
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-= yang-01

 

Hi Working Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-i= f-param-yang-00, we’re planning to start the WG adoption process of d= raft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two draf= ts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-= impairment-topology-yang-01

 

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft ident= ified above?

 

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dra= ft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:=

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"<= /o:p>

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional deta= ils you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contri= butor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whe= ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESS= AGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not li= sted as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under t= he IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related= to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

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Hi, Chairs, WG,

 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=

 

Best wishes,

Haomian

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2019= =C4=EA3=D4= =C226=C8=D5 22:49
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: jonas.martensson@ri.se; Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>; Zheng= haomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) <zhenghaomian@h= uawei.com>; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; nicosambo@gmail.co= m; Victor Lopez <victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>; Gabriele Maria Ga= limberti (ggalimbe) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; giomarti@cisco.com; jeanluc= .auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com; julien.meuric@orange.com; Die= ter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com) <Dieter.Beller@nokia.com>; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) <sergio.belotti@nok= ia.com>; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; Gert Grammel (ggrammel@juniper.net) &= lt;ggrammel@juniper.net>
=B3=AD=CB=CD: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

 

Hi Working Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of dr= aft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we=A1=AFre planning to start the WG a= doption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to p= rogress the two drafts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for dra= ft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

 

Are you aware of any IPR that a= pplies to draft identified above?

 

Please state either:=

"No, I'm not aware of any = IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR tha= t applies to this draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details)?

If yes to the above, please sta= te either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been dis= closed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provid= e any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YO= U LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG emai= l list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of you= r obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the I= ETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribut= ion or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, pl= ease see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele<= /span>

 

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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:46:46 -0000 Hi all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Julien On 26/03/2019 15:49, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > > Hi Working Group, > >   > > GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, > we’re planning to start the WG adoption process of > draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the > two drafts together. > >   > > Here is the IPR polling for > draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 > >   > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > >   > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > >   > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > >   > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > >   > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. 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37550083-d958-46ba-bca4-08d6b2baff85 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 5a9809cf-0bcb-413a-838a-09ecc40cc9e8 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalAttributedTenantConnectingIp: TenantId=5a9809cf-0bcb-413a-838a-09ecc40cc9e8; Ip=[194.218.146.197]; Helo=[mail.ri.se] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5P18901MB0098 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:49:22 -0000 --_000_41dbf5066077497db975a0b78938bb35rise_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. /Jonas From: Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: den 26 mars 2019 15:49 To: Jonas M=E5rtensson ; leeyoung@huawei.com; Zheng= haomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) ; Italo Busi ; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor Lopez ; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) ; giomarti@cisco.com; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com;= julien.meuric@orange.com; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com) ; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) ; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; Gert Grammel (ggrammel@ju= niper.net) Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Hi Working Group, GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we're = planning to start the WG adoption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impair= ment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two drafts together. Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yan= g-01 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele --_000_41dbf5066077497db975a0b78938bb35rise_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR th= at applies to this draft.

 

/Jonas

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Sent: den 26 mars 2019 15:49
To: Jonas M=E5rtensson <jonas.martensson@ri.se>; leeyoung@huaw= ei.com; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com&= gt;; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor = Lopez <victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; giomarti@cisco.com= ; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com; julien.meuric@orange= .com; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com) <Dieter.Beller@nokia.com&g= t;; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; Gert Grammel (= ggrammel@juniper.net) <ggrammel@juniper.net>
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-= yang-01

 

Hi Working Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of dr= aft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we’re planning to start the WG = adoption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to = progress the two drafts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for dra= ft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

 

Are you aware of any IPR that a= pplies to draft identified above?

 

Please state either:=

"No, I'm not aware of any = IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR tha= t applies to this draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details)?

If yes to the above, please sta= te either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been dis= closed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provid= e any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YO= U LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG emai= l list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of you= r obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the I= ETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribut= ion or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, pl= ease see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele<= /span>

 

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charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Sandra Murphy In-Reply-To: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFB598CD@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 12:32:47 +0100 Cc: Sandra Murphy , "secdir@ietf.org" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability.all@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3DCE5D1E-DBF1-4293-8FA1-FD6E975E24FC@tislabs.com> References: <154908012600.28521.5714645741731093529@ietfa.amsl.com> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFB598CD@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> To: "Yemin (Amy)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-13 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:33:10 -0000 I see that a new version was posted on Mar 6. I thank the authors for = their attention to my comments and for the explanations for cases where = I was confused. I have one suggestion. The authors changed the text to say =E2=80=9Cfloat= ing point=E2=80=9D, but I did not make clear that I think a reference to = IEEE 754 is needed. I found one reference to an IESG comment during the review of = draft-ietf-isis-pcr =E2=80=A2 Jari Arkko: Comment [2016-01-07 04:51 PST]:=20 This comment from Suresh Krishnan's Gen-ART review seems relevant: There = is no reference for the format of the Bandwidth fields in Sections 6.3 = and 6.4. I am assuming this refers to the Single Precision format = (binary32) from IEEE 754. If so, please add an explicit reference to = this. So the reference to the IEEE standard has been considered a good idea in = past draft IESG reviews. I found three RFCs that contained a reference to the IEEE 754 standard. = The first is the RFC that resulted from draft-ietf-isis-pcr RFC 7813 IS-IS PCR June 2016 11.2. Informative References [IEEE754] IEEE, "IEEE Standard for Floating-Point Arithmetic", IEEE 754-2008, DOI 10.1109/IEEESTD.2008.4610935, 2008, . the second is an OSPF RFC RFC 7471 OSPF TE Metric Extensions March 2015 13.1. Normative References [IEEE754] Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, "Standard for Floating-Point Arithmetic", IEEE Standard 754, August 2008. and the third is a CCAMP RFC: RFC 8330 Availability Extension to OSPF-TE February 2018 7.1. Normative References [IEEE754-2008] IEEE, "IEEE Standard for Floating-Point Arithmetic", IEEE 754-2008, DOI 10.1109/IEEESTD.2008.4610935. Note that one reference is informative, two are normative. The authors = should decide whether the format is a requirement and therefore the = reference should be normative. In conversation with the RFC-Editor, there are some IEEE requests as to = how the reference should be phrased. The authors may wish to consult = the RFC-Editor to decide how this reference should be phrased. There = are evidently considerations of whether you wish this document to follow = the IEEE standard as it changes, or whether you want to point to the = current version explicitly. Something I did not notice before: Page 6: Optionally, a higher availability bandwidth can be allocated to lower availability request when the lower availability bandwidth cannot satisfy the request. Does this make the order of looking at availability bandwidth requests = important? If a lower availability requirement bandwidth request is = allocated from the higher availability bandwidth before all higher = availability bandwidth requests are satisfied, might that prevent a = higher availability bandwidth request from being satisfied?=20 Appendix Page 9 and 10=20 I am afraid that even after review of the authors' comments and another = time over the Appendix, I still do not understand the table in the = Appendix. To my reading of page 9 and 10: 400Mbps (level 3 modulation) is available except for the 52 minutes a = year when the modulation drops to level 2 =3D=3D> (525600-52)/525600 =3D = 99.99% of the time 400Mbps is available 200Mbps (level 2 modulation) is available except for the 26 minutes a = year when the modulation drops to level 1 =3D=3D> (525600-26)/525600 =3D = 99.995% of the time 200Mbps is available 100Mbps (level 1 modulation) is available except for the 5 minutes a = year when the whole system is unavailable =3D=3D> (525600-5)/252600 =3D = 99.999% of the time 100Mbps is available. (There=E2=80=99s another interpretation of your example text - that the = 400Mbgp is not available in the light rain that drops the modulation to = level2 -or- the 26 minutes of heavy rain that drops the modulation to = level 1 -or- when the whole system is unavailable, so 400Mbps is = unavailable 52+26+5 minutes each year, which is more like 99.98%.) That would make the table say: Sub-bandwidth (Mbps) Availability ------------------ ------------ 400 99.99% 200 99.995% 100 99.999% Even if I am still am interpreting this incorrectly, I would like to = point out that the text has two statements on page 10 that seem to = conflict: Then the dropped 100 Mbps bandwidth has 99.995% availability. and So the 100 Mbps bandwidth of the modulation level 1 owns the availability of 99.999%. You might want to do the readers a favor and clear up the conflict. Some nits are below. =E2=80=94Sandy In light of the RFC-Editor request during the IETF104 plenary on = Wednesday, here are some nits the RFC-Editor would probably catch, but = to make their task easier, I note them here. Page 3: When a video application requests for 120 Mbps without bandwidth availability requirement requests for 120 Mbps =E2=80=94> =E2=80=9Cmakes a request for 120Mbps=E2=80= =9D or =E2=80=9Crequests 120Mbps=E2=80=9D without bandwidth =E2=80=94> without a bandwidth Page 5: Availability (4 octets): a 32-bit floating point number describes This would be a good place to put a cite to the IEEE 754 reference. the decimal value of availability requirement for this bandwidth request. The value MUST be less than 1and is usually expressed in of availability requirement =E2=80=94> =E2=80=9Cof the availability = requirement=E2=80=9D 1and =E2=80=94> =E2=80=9C1 and=E2=80=9D Page 6: allocated to lower availability request when the lower to lower availability request =E2=80=94> to a lower availability request When a node receives Availability TLVs which mixed of zero index and =E2=80=9Cwhich mixed of=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94> =E2=80=9Cwhich are a mix of" several pairs, but there're are extra =E2=80=9Cthere=E2=80=99re are=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94> =E2=80=9Cthere are=E2=80= =9D bandwidth-TLVs without matching index Availability-TLV, the extra could be =E2=80=9Cwithout matching the index of any Availability-TLV=E2=80= =9D or =E2=80=9Cwithout any Availability-TLV with a matching index=E2=80=9D= Page 7: RSVP-TE signaling used in GMPLS network. in GMPLS network =E2=80=94> =E2=80=9Cin a GMPLS network=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9Cin GMPLS networks" > On Feb 22, 2019, at 4:58 AM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: >=20 > Hi Sandra, > =20 > Many thanks for the detail review comments, please see reply inline = below. > And I=E2=80=99m very sorry for the late reply. > =20 > BR, > Amy > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandra Murphy [mailto:sandy@tislabs.com]=20 > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 12:02 PM > To: secdir@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability.all@ietf.org > Subject: Secdir last call review of = draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-13 > =20 > Reviewer: Sandra Murphy > Review result: Has Issues > =20 > I have reviewed this document = draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability > as part of the security directorate=E2=80=99s ongoing effort to review = all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were = written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. = Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any = other last call comments. > =20 > This draft provides a new TLV for the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object = that will carry availability requirements for RSVP-TE signaling of GMPLS = LSPs. > =20 > The draft is thorough. I do have some comments. I reviewed the = normative references RFCs 2205, 3209, 3473, 6003, as well as RFC3945 and = RFC5920. I can=E2=80=99t claim that I understood everything in that = stack, so the following could easily be wrong. > =20 > Computing the LSP path: > =20 > Page 4, section 2 discusses obtaining network topology, calculating = the LSP route, RFC8330=E2=80=99s extensions for availability in OSPF TE = LSA messages. Does this draft assume that this extension will always be = used with an EXPLICIT_ROUTE object? Is this draft not applicable = without that explicit LSP route calculation? > [Amy] No, there's no assumption that the extension can be only used = with an EXPLICIT_ROUTE object. The node who obtains network topology, = calculates the LSP route, could be a source node and intermediate nodes.=20= > Availability TLV vs CLASSTYPE objects: > =20 > The definition in RFC6003 of the Bandwidth Profile TLV has certain = constraints on the values of the Index: > The Index field value MUST correspond to at = least one > of the Class-Type values included either in the CLASSTYPE object > [RFC4124] or in the EXTENDED_CLASSTYPE object [MCOS]. > =20 > I am not certain if this means that the presence of an Ethernet = SENDER_TSPEC Object with a Bandwidth Profile TLV means there must be a = CLASSTYPE object in the RSVP-TE message as well, or that the Index field = values are taken from the set of defined Class-Type values. > =20 > But if the first, does this induce requirements by inclusion of the = Availability TLV that these other CLASSTYPE objects must be included as = well? > Or are you intending to update RFC6003 to eliminate that constraint? = If the second, does the RFC6003 constraint also constrain the index = values used in the Availability TLV? Should that be mentioned? (Or am = I just confused?) > [Amy] It=E2=80=99s the second case. The RFC6003 constraint should also = apply to the index values used in the Availability TLV. The current text = states that =E2=80=9Chaving the same value of Index field=E2=80=9D, = which implies the same constraint.=20 > =20 > Bandwidth TLV to Availability TLV association: > =20 > Page 4, Section 3.1 says > =20 > When the Availability TLV is included, it MUST be present along > with the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. If the bandwidth > requirements in the multiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs = have > different Availability requirements, multiple Availability TLVs > SHOULD be carried. In such a case, the Availability TLV has a = one > to one correspondence with the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV by > having the same value of Index field. If all the bandwidth > requirements in the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile have the same > Availability requirement, one Availability TLV SHOULD be = carried. > In this case, the Index field is set to 0. > =20 > I find that the description is not clear in all cases. I found a = message in the working group discussion of this association that the = association is either =E2=80=9Cn:n=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cn:1=E2=80=9D. I = think this description sounds more like n 1:1 associations > or a n:1 association. Is that what is intended? Can the = associations be > mixed in the same message? Suppose there were 3 Bandwidth TLVs that = needed the same availability and one that had a different availability = need, could there be 3 Bandwidth TLVs with index 0 and one = Availability-TLV with index 0 and also a Bandwidth TLVs - Availability = TLV pair with matching index values? > [Amy] Thanks for looking into the past discussion. The intension was = n*(1:1) association or n:1 association. It was not so accurate by using = =E2=80=9Cn:n=E2=80=9D association in the past. > Regarding the example you list, if the four Bandwidth TLVs are sent in = the same message, it=E2=80=99s better to use four different index values = as they are =E2=80=9Cmultiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs have = different Availability requirements=E2=80=9D. > Of course what you proposed could also work technically. > =20 > error checking: > =20 > Other documents in the references (RFC2205, 3209, 3473, 6003, etc) = have made a point of explicitly describing the error handling - when = PathErr and ResvErr and Notify messages are sent, to whom, the error = codes, the error value sub-codes, etc. I don=E2=80=99t see that here = for the bandwidth-tlv-to-availability-tlv associations. > [Amy] Thanks for the comment, I agree the error process should be = clearer. > Is a mix of index-zero and index-non-zero = bandwidth-tlv-to-availability-tlv associations (like above) an error? is = the message dropped? is an error sent? > if the message is not dropped, are any of the bandwidth-tlv, = availability-tlv associations retained? > [Amy] The message MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated. > If there are availability-tlvs with non-zero indexes with no matching = index value among the bandwidth-tlvs, that surely is an error? Is the = message dropped? Or is the availability tlv dropped? Is a = PathErr/ResvErr message sent? > [Amy] yes, this is an error. It=E2=80=99s preferred to drop the = availability tlv. =20 > Suppose all availability-tlvs have a matching (zero or non-zero) index = value among the bandwidth-tlvs, but there are extra bandwidth-tlvs (no = availability-tlv with a matching index value). Is that an error? Are = the extra bandwidth-tlvs dropped? ignored? propagated? > [Amy]The extra bandwidth-tlvs MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be = propagated. > (RFC3209 has several cases where there might be extra objects or = sub-objects and the language is =E2=80=9Ccan be/MAY be/SHOULD be/are = ignored and SHOULD NOT be /are not/need not be propagated=E2=80=9D ) > =20 > =20 > multiplicity: > =20 > RFC3209 says it does not apply to multicast, but it does talk about = multiple parallel LSP tunnels between two nodes, and about = multipoint-to-point LSPs for WF and SE style reservations when there are = multiple senders, and about the merging rules of WF reservations. Does = availability work in those style reservations? > [Amy] Considering that the traffic from senders is more likely to be = concurrent and independent, the availability TLV can be limited to Fixed = Filter (FF) Style only. > availability vs =E2=80=9Cvariable discrete bandwidth=E2=80=9D: > =20 > I believe I understood the discussion of the need to signal = availability requirements in order for the system to determine when an = LSP was feasible. I can dimly understand that there might be links have = =E2=80=9Cvariable discrete bandwidth=E2=80=9D. Section 2 says =E2=80=9CTh= e Availability TLV can be applicable to any kind of physical links with = variable discrete bandwidth, such as microwave or DSL.=E2=80=9D > Why not other link types? Do only =E2=80=9Cvariable discrete = bandwidth=E2=80=9D links support availability? > [Amy] To our current knowledge, only=E2=80=9Cvariable discrete = bandwidth=E2=80=9D links support availability. > =20 > calculating availability: > =20 > In page 9, Appendix A: > =20 > Perhaps I don=E2=80=99t understand how the availability metric is = used. In the > following: > =20 > On a sunny day, the modulation level 3 can be used to achieve 400 > Mbps link bandwidth. > =20 > A light rain with X mm/h rate triggers the system to change the > modulation level from level 3 to level 2, with bandwidth changing > from 400 Mbps to 200 Mbps. The probability of X mm/h rain in the > local area is 52 minutes in a year. Then the dropped 200 Mbps > bandwidth has 99.99% availability. > =20 > I would say that the 400Mbps bandwidth is available whenever it is not = raining. > It lightly rains 52 min year, which means it is not raining 99.99% of = the time, so the 400Mbps availability is 99.99%. The 200Mbps is = available during that 52 min, so 99.99% is not the 200Mbps availability. = Right? > =20 > The analogous comment applies to the next two paragraphs. > =20 > Does that explain why the table shows the 100Mbps bandwidth having two = different availabilities? > [Amy]Your understanding is also correct. That is just a different way = to present the result. Take the values from the table, 100Mbps with = 99.995% and 100Mbps with 99.999% can be also considered as bandwidth = with 99.99% availability.=20 > Thus it will result the total bw with 99.99% availability =3D = 200+100+100=3D400Mbps > =20 > =20 > security: > =20 > The draft (*) security consideration points to RSVP-TE, but without an = RFC reference, and to RFC5920. Because this is a GMPLS related feature, = it should refer to the GMPLS extensions to RSVP-TE in RFC3473. As an = extension to RFC6003, it could refer to that RFC=E2=80=99s security = considerations section, but that only gets the reader to RFC3473, = RFC3209, and RFC5920. > =20 > The security considerations for RSVP-TE itself (RFC3209) points to = RFC2205. > RFC2205 defines an Integrity object (defined in RFC2747) that carries = a keyed cryptographic digest based on a shared key, providing hop-by-hop = protection between two RSVP nodes. However, PATH messages are directed = toward the traffic destination address, not the next RSVP node. There = could be clouds of non-RSVP nodes between two RSVP nodes that the PATH = encounters. This makes it difficult to share a key between individual = pairs of RSVP nodes, and could motivate operators to configure the same = key in large numbers of RSVP nodes. > =20 > RFC3473 points to RFC2747=E2=80=99s protection of RSVP messages. It = also notes that it introduces a Notify message that is not sent to the = traffic destination address but instead to a node that requested = notification. One transmission option is that the NOTIFY is = encapsulated in an IP packet and forwarded directly to the requesting = node. That complicates the Integrity object protection, unless the = shared key is widely shared. > =20 > RFC3945 notes that authentication in GMPLS systems may use the = authentication mechanisms of the component protocols, pointing to = RFC2747 (as well as others for LDP, LMP, etc that don=E2=80=99t apply = here). > =20 > RFC5920 discusses threats, attacks, and protections for MPLS/GMPLS = data and control planes. Section 7.1.2 in particular talks about = =E2=80=9CControl-Plane Protection with RSVP-TE=E2=80=9D, and could be = mentioned here explicitly. It talks about network border configuration = to limit external attacks, and mentions > RFC2747 authentication protections, making some of the same points = about non-RSVP clouds and shared keys configuration. It also points to = RFC4230, which is a very detailed look at RSVP security, and probably = deserves to be mentioned here. > =20 > So all told, at the end of all the reference chains, the only defined = authentication and integrity protection in 2205, 3209, and 3473 is based = on shared keys that are very difficult to configure with fine = granularity. > =20 > However, as was said in reply to a different MPLS related draft review > yesterday: > =20 > The MPLS network is often considered to be a closed network such = that > insertion, modification, or inspection of packets by an outside = party is > not possible. > =20 > So maybe that is accepted as sufficient in deployment. > =20 > MPLS documents are also typically granted an exception from more = rigorous security requirements because MPLS is used only within one = routing domain / ISP / provider / etc, under a single administrative = control, so errors made would not be global in impact. In particular, = errors that might result from one legitimate but = faulty/mis-configured/subverted/malicious MPLS node should not propagate = out to the general Internet. (**) > [Amy] Thanks for the detail explanation on the security consideration, = it=E2=80=99s quiet educational. As the operating environment of GMPLS is = similar to MPLS network, we will adopt the similar text. > =20 > Nits: > =20 > floating numbers > =20 > Page 5, Section 3.1, says =E2=80=9Ca 32-bit floating number=E2=80=9D. = I believe you mean a floating-point number. I checked other IETF RFCs = (e.g., RFC8330), and it is common to mention the IEEE 754-2008 standard = when including a floating point value in the spec. > =20 > But is a floating point value needed? The draft says that the values = are typically in a small set of known values. The intro sounds like a = small set of classes are used for =E2=80=9Cefficient planning=E2=80=9D. = Just curious. OTOH, RFC8330 uses floating point, and the ITU = documents=E2=80=99 calculation of availability make it seem like full = floating point is needed. > [Amy] will update to =E2=80=9Cfloating-point number=E2=80=9D. > =20 > the Availability TLV format: > =20 > page 5, section 3.1 says: > =20 > The Availability TLV = has > the following format: > =20 > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Index | Reserved = | > = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Availability = | > = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > =20 > Figure 1: Availability TLV > =20 > I presume that this is just the Value portion of the TLV format that = is defined for the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC Object in Section 4 of RFC6003. > [Amy] Yes, it is.=20 > =20 > Page 1, Abstract: > =20 > typically used for describing these links when during network > planning > =20 > =E2=80=9Cwhen during=E2=80=9D - is that deliberate? It sounds = redundant, maybe due to editing. > Or maybe it was supposed to be =E2=80=9Cwhen doing=E2=80=9D? > [Amy] Will update to =E2=80=9Cwhen doing=E2=80=9D. > =20 > signaling. This extension can be used to set up a Generalized = Multi- > Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) using = the > Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object. > =20 > not sure - what is using the SENDER_TSPEC - the LSP or this extension? > [Amy] How about change to =E2=80=9Cin conjunction with = SENDER_TSPEC=E2=80=9D. > =20 > Page 3, Section 1: > =20 > bandwidth availability. For example, the bandwidth with 99.999% > availability of a link is 100 Mbps; the bandwidth with 99.99% > availability is 200 Mbps. > =20 > maybe: > =20 > bandwidth availability. Suppose, for example, the bandwidth with = 99.999% > [Amy] will update the text.=20 > =20 > Page 5, section 3.2: > =20 > TLVs and one or more Availability TLVs. Each Ethernet Bandwidth > Profile TLV corresponds to an availability parameter in the > Availability TLV. > =20 > =E2=80=A6 =E2=80=9Cin an Availability TLV=E2=80=9D? or =E2=80=9Cin the = associated Availability TLV=E2=80=9D? There=E2=80=99s more than one. > [Amy] will update to =E2=80=9Cin the associated Availability TLV=E2=80=9D= . > =20 > Page 6, section 3.2 > =20 > link), it SHOULD reserve the bandwidth resource from each > =20 > =E2=80=9Cit=E2=80=9D -> =E2=80=9Cthe node=E2=80=9D > =20 > this LSP. Optionally, the higher availability bandwidth can be > =20 > =E2=80=9Cthe higher=E2=80=9D -> =E2=80=9Ca higher=E2=80=9D (there=E2=80= =99s more than one, right?) > =20 > request cannot be satisfied, it SHOULD generate PathErr = message > =20 > =E2=80=9Cit=E2=80=9D -> =E2=80=9Cthe node=E2=80=9D > =20 > generate PathErr message with the error code "Extended Class-Type > =20 > =E2=80=9CPathErr=E2=80=9D -> =E2=80=9Ca PathErr=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CPat= hErr messages=E2=80=9D > [Amy] will update the draft accordingly. > postscripts: > =20 > (**) [[[ I will note that RFC3209 includes an AS number subject among = the subobjects of the EXPLICIT_ROUTE object. With the idea that you = might set up explicit routes that go through multiple ASNs. Ouch. I = know there are providers who have different ASNs under single = administrative control, from acquisitions or business use cases, but = this just makes it possible for an explicit route for an LSP to be = misconfigured to include your (external) neighbor ASN. And RFC5920 = talks about =E2=80=9CASBR-ASBR communication for inter-AS LSPs=E2=80=9D. = Better have good outbound filters on your border routers. ]]] > =20 > (*)As is typical for specifications that extend other published RFCs, = this draft says it =E2=80=9Cdoes not introduce any new security = considerations=E2=80=9D. > =20 > In general, I am skeptical of extension drafts that = make such claims. Surely the existing security considerations should be = examined to see how they apply to this new feature or object being = introduced? Do current protections adequately protect the new = feature/object? Does the new feature/object carry new information, = produce new behaviors? etc. But this is so very common I could hardly = request that more be said here. Just saying. soapbox> > [Amy] Thanks again for the detail review. 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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_072A_01D4E571.0F175700" ------=_NextPart_001_072A_01D4E571.0F175700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re-sending to the list =20 Daniele =20 =20 From: esther.lerouzic@orange.com =20 Sent: den 27 mars 2019 09:51 To: Daniele Ceccarelli Cc: jonas.martensson@ri.se; leeyoung@huawei.com; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) ; Italo Busi ; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor Lopez ; Gabriele Maria Galimberti = (ggalimbe) ; giomarti@cisco.com; AUGE Jean Luc TGI/OLN ; MEURIC Julien TGI/OLN = ; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com) ; = BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) ; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; Gert Grammel (ggrammel@juniper.net) ; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: Re: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 =20 Dear Daniele,=20 =20 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. =20 Best regards =20 Esther =20 =20 Envoy=E9 de mon iPhone Le 26 mars 2019 =E0 15:57, Daniele Ceccarelli = > a =E9crit : Hi Working Group, =20 GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, = we=92re planning to start the WG adoption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two drafts together. =20 Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 =20 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? =20 Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" =20 If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? 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Daniele=A0 =

 

From: esther.lerouzic@orange.com = <esther.lerouzic@orange.com>
Sent: den 27 mars 2019 = 09:51
To: Daniele Ceccarelli = <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Cc: = jonas.martensson@ri.se; leeyoung@huawei.com; Zhenghaomian = (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; Italo Busi = <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor Lopez = <victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>; Gabriele Maria Galimberti = (ggalimbe) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; giomarti@cisco.com; AUGE Jean Luc = TGI/OLN <jeanluc.auge@orange.com>; MEURIC Julien TGI/OLN = <julien.meuric@orange.com>; Dieter Beller = (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com) <Dieter.Beller@nokia.com>; BELOTTI, = SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) = <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; Gert Grammel = (ggrammel@juniper.net) <ggrammel@juniper.net>; CCAMP = (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IPR = polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

Dear Daniele,

 

No, I'm not aware of = any IPR that applies to this draft.

 

Best regards

 

Esther

 

 

Envoy=E9 de mon = iPhone

Hi Working = Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of = draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we’re planning to start = the WG adoption process of = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two = drafts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

Are you aware of any IPR that = applies to draft identified above?

 

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details)?

If yes to the above, please state = either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant = IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S = TO LINES.

 

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Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

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Thu, 28 Mar 2019 13:18:21 +0000 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Thread-Index: AdTj4oMn1HLL1yMQRHWm+RDJTyEXlwAoytaAAAV4wnAAM0fIIA== Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 13:18:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <32AF8ED4-C538-473C-AEC5-7A79B926A912@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [2001:67c:1232:144:5ae:3c49:9507:5c95] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 46f0c28b-6bf0-45ef-8212-08d6b37fd9b5 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(4652040)(8989299)(4534185)(4627221)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(8990200)(5600127)(711020)(4605104)(2017052603328)(7153060)(49563074)(7193020); SRVR:VI1PR07MB4174; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: VI1PR07MB4174: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; 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VI1PR07MB4174 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] FW: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 13:18:39 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0730_01D4E571.1784A0A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0731_01D4E571.1784A0A0" ------=_NextPart_001_0731_01D4E571.1784A0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re-sending to the list =20 Daniele =20 =20 From: Griseri, Enrico (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) =20 Sent: den 27 mars 2019 13:50 To: Gert Grammel ; Daniele Ceccarelli = ; jonas.martensson@ri.se; = leeyoung@huawei.com; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) = ; Italo Busi ; = nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor Lopez ; = Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) ; = giomarti@cisco.com; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com; = julien.meuric@orange.com; Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) = ; Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) = Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: RE: IPR polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 =20 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Enrico =20 From: Gert Grammel > = Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:13 AM To: Daniele Ceccarelli >; jonas.martensson@ri.se = ; leeyoung@huawei.com = ; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com = ) >; Italo Busi >; nicosambo@gmail.com = ; Victor Lopez = >; Gabriele Maria Galimberti = (ggalimbe) >; = giomarti@cisco.com ; jeanluc.auge@orange.com = ; esther.lerouzic@orange.com = ; julien.meuric@orange.com = ; Beller, Dieter (Nokia - = DE/Stuttgart) = >; Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) >; Griseri, Enrico (Nokia - = IT/Vimercate) > Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org ) > Subject: Re: IPR polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 =20 "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" =20 =20 From: Daniele Ceccarelli > Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at 15:52 To: Jonas M=C3=A5rtensson >, 'Leeyoung' >, "Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com = )" >, Italo Busi >, "nicosambo@gmail.com = " >, Victor Lopez = >, Gabriele Galimberti = >, Giovanni Martinelli = >, Jean-Luc Auge = >, LE ROUZIC = Esther OLNC/OLN >, Julien Meuric = >, Dieter = Beller >, = "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com = )" >, "enrico.griseri@nokia.com = " >, Gert Grammel > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: IPR polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 =20 Hi Working Group, =20 GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, = we=E2=80=99re planning to start the WG adoption process of = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two = drafts together. =20 Here is the IPR polling for = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 =20 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? =20 Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" =20 If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: =20 "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" =20 If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. =20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. =20 If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or = contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules = which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of = others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more = information, please see the RFCs listed above and = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. =20 =20 Thanks =20 Fatai & Daniele =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0731_01D4E571.1784A0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: Griseri, Enrico (Nokia = - IT/Vimercate) <enrico.griseri@nokia.com>
Sent: den 27 = mars 2019 13:50
To: Gert Grammel <ggrammel@juniper.net>; = Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; = jonas.martensson@ri.se; leeyoung@huawei.com; Zhenghaomian = (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; Italo Busi = <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor Lopez = <victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>; Gabriele Maria Galimberti = (ggalimbe) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; giomarti@cisco.com; = jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com; = julien.meuric@orange.com; Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) = <dieter.beller@nokia.com>; Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) = <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: IPR polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that = applies to this draft.

Enrico

 

From: Gert Grammel <ggrammel@juniper.net> =
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:13 AM
To: = Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericss= on.com>; jonas.martensson@ri.se; leeyoung@huawei.com; = Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) = <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; = Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor = Lopez <victor.lopezalvarez@te= lefonica.com>; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; giomarti@cisco.com; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com= ; julien.meuric@orange.com; = Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <dieter.beller@nokia.com>; = Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>= ; Griseri, Enrico (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <enrico.griseri@nokia.com>=
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: IPR polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli = <daniele.ceccarelli@ericss= on.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at = 15:52
To: Jonas M=C3=A5rtensson <jonas.martensson@ri.se>, = 'Leeyoung' <leeyoung@huawei.com>, = "Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com)"= ; <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>, = Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>, = "nicosambo@gmail.com" <nicosambo@gmail.com>, Victor = Lopez <victor.lopezalvarez@te= lefonica.com>, Gabriele Galimberti <ggalimbe@cisco.com>, Giovanni = Martinelli <giomarti@cisco.com>, Jean-Luc = Auge <jeanluc.auge@orange.com>, = LE ROUZIC Esther OLNC/OLN <esther.lerouzic@orange.com= >, Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@orange.com>= , Dieter Beller <Dieter.Beller@nokia.com>, = "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com)&qu= ot; <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>= , "enrico.griseri@nokia.com&quo= t; <enrico.griseri@nokia.com>= , Gert Grammel <ggrammel@juniper.net>
C= c: CCAMP <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: = IPR polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

Hi Working = Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of = draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we=E2=80=99re planning to start = the WG adoption process of = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two = drafts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

Are you aware of any IPR that = applies to draft identified above?

 

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details)?

If yes to the above, please state = either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant = IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S = TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as = an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the = IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty= .

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

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