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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0248_01D4E88B.E82FEC60" ------=_NextPart_001_0248_01D4E88B.E82FEC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniele From: jeanluc.auge@orange.com Sent: den 1 april 2019 13:06 To: Daniele Ceccarelli Subject: RE: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Hi Daniele No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 9:53 AM To: AUGE Jean Luc TGI/OLN Subject: FW: IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Hi Jeanluc, Just a friendly reminder. BR Daniele From: CCAMP > On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: den 26 mars 2019 15:49 To: jonas.martensson@ri.se ; leeyoung@huawei.com ; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com ) >; Italo Busi >; nicosambo@gmail.com ; Victor Lopez >; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) >; giomarti@cisco.com ; jeanluc.auge@orange.com ; esther.lerouzic@orange.com ; julien.meuric@orange.com ; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com ) >; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com ) >; enrico.griseri@nokia.com ; Gert Grammel (ggrammel@juniper.net ) > Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org ) > Subject: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Hi Working Group, GIven the recent adoption of draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we're planning to start the WG adoption process of draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two drafts together. Here is the IPR polling for draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. 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Daniele  =

 

From: jeanluc.auge@orange.com = <jeanluc.auge@orange.com>
Sent: den 1 april 2019 = 13:06
To: Daniele Ceccarelli = <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Subject: RE: IPR = polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

Hi = Daniele

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to = this draft

 

From: Daniele = Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli= @ericsson.com]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 9:53 = AM
To: AUGE Jean Luc TGI/OLN
Subject: FW: IPR = polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

Hi = Jeanluc,

 

Just a friendly = reminder.

BR

 

Daniele 

 

From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: den 26 mars 2019 = 15:49
To: jonas.martensson@ri.se; leeyoung@huawei.com; = Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) = <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; = Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; nicosambo@gmail.com; Victor = Lopez <victor.lopezalvarez@te= lefonica.com>; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; giomarti@cisco.com; jeanluc.auge@orange.com; esther.lerouzic@orange.com= ; julien.meuric@orange.com; = Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com) = <Dieter.Beller@nokia.com>; = BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) = <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>= ; enrico.griseri@nokia.com; = Gert Grammel (ggrammel@juniper.net) <ggrammel@juniper.net>
C= c: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: = [CCAMP] IPR polling on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

Hi Working = Group,

 

GIven the recent adoption of = draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-param-yang-00, we’re planning to start = the WG adoption process of = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 to progress the two = drafts together.

 

Here is the IPR polling for = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01

=

 

Are you aware of any IPR that = applies to draft identified above?

 

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details)?

If yes to the above, please state = either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant = IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S = TO LINES.

 

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Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

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VI1PR07MB3902 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 13:44:31 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0370_01D4E8A1.C62BB980 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0371_01D4E8A1.C62BB980" ------=_NextPart_001_0371_01D4E8A1.C62BB980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Working group, =20 This is the first time we manage to have all the IPR declarations from = so many authors in so little time=E2=80=A6good progresses =F0=9F=98=8A Hence we can start a one week poll on making = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 a CCAMP working = group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not = support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not = support" and nice to have for the "support". =20 The polling will end on Monday April 8th . =20 Thanks, Daniele & Fatai =20 (Please note that we=E2=80=99re running a single week polling instead of = the classical 2 weeks as we would like to include the draft, if adopted, = in a liaison to ITU-T SG15) ------=_NextPart_001_0371_01D4E8A1.C62BB980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Working = group,

 

This is the first time we manage to have all the IPR = declarations from so many authors in so little time=E2=80=A6good = progresses =F0=9F=98=8A

Hence we can start a one week poll on making  = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 a CCAMP = working group document.

Please send email to the list = indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and = a motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not = support" and nice to have for the = "support".

 

The polling will end on Monday April 8th = .

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai

 

(Please note that we=E2=80=99re = running a single week polling instead of the classical 2 weeks as we = would like to include the draft, if adopted, in a liaison to ITU-T = SG15)

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X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB3935 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 12:46:37 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01D4E962.DA34B0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, agree with you. The plan is, if adopted, to work on a -01 version and = liaise that one.=20 We need add text to explicitly say what our understanding is and to get = the blessing from ITU-T, so that the draft will be the reference for our = future work and we won't fall in the issue of having different people = having different understanding of ITU-T recommendations.=20 Thanks, Daniele =20 -----Original Message----- From: tom petch =20 Sent: den 2 april 2019 13:42 To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 To quote the I-D As this description is arbitrarily proposed by the authors to cover a lack of information in IETF and ITU-T, a liaison request to ITU-T is needed. Yes, I see that a liaison is needed after which the draft may or may not = need substatial revision. Is this I-D the best way to liaise what needs = liaising, buried as it is in YANG. And adoption in this state seems = premature since it might bake in assumptions that later prove = unfortunate and hinder resolution - nothing specific in mind, just a = worry. I never see much difference between working on an unadopted I-D and an = adopted one so see scope for progress - e.g. Normative References - even = if it is not adopted at this moment in time.. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniele Ceccarelli" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 2:44 PM Working group, This is the first time we manage to have all the IPR declarations from = so many authors in so little time=E2=80=A6good progresses =F0=9F=98=8A Hence we can start a one week poll on making draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 a CCAMP working = group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not = support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not = support" and nice to have for the "support". The polling will end on Monday April 8th . Thanks, Daniele & Fatai (Please note that we=E2=80=99re running a single week polling instead of = the classical 2 weeks as we would like to include the draft, if adopted, = in a liaison to ITU-T SG15) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01D4E962.DA34B0A0 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVeTCCAyAw ggIIoAMCAQICAR0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTELMAkGA1UEBhMCRkkxDzANBgNVBAoTBlNvbmVy YTEZMBcGA1UEAxMQU29uZXJhIENsYXNzMiBDQTAeFw0wMTA0MDYwNzI5NDBaFw0yMTA0MDYwNzI5 NDBaMDkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkZJMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZTb25lcmExGTAXBgNVBAMTEFNvbmVyYSBDbGFz czIgQ0EwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQCQF0o1ncrwDZbHRPoWN/xIvb1/ 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I support.

Julien, as a co-author


On 01/04/2019 15:44, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:

Working group,

 

This is the first time we manage to have all the IPR declarations from so many authors in so little time…good progresses 😊

Hence we can start a one week poll on making  draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 a CCAMP working group document.

Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and nice to have for the "support".

 

The polling will end on Monday April 8th ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai

 

(Please note that we’re running a single week polling instead of the classical 2 weeks as we would like to include the draft, if adopted, in a liaison to ITU-T SG15)


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A formal step is required before liaising to another SDO, adoption by a WG is the 1st one. Cheers, Julien On 02/04/2019 13:41, tom petch wrote: > I never see much difference between working on an unadopted I-D and an > adopted one so see scope for progress - e.g. Normative References - even > if it is not adopted at this moment in time.. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. 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<014401d4e971$8e2a4c60$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: <014401d4e971$8e2a4c60$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.123] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 16:44:01 -0000 Hi Tom, Yes, indeed I agree with you. Our intent is to specify the need for the lia= ison statement, the scope, and terminology in the main text (as you pointed= out Section 2.3.1 in the current draft). Our plan is to highlight this sec= tion in the very upfront of the revised draft (perhaps 01 of the WG draft-t= o-be). =20 Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of tom petch Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 11:34 AM To: julien.meuric@orange.com Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment= -topology-yang-01 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "tom petch" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 2:53 PM > Hi Tom, > > Though it may be true from a content perspective, any individual draft=20 > has the same administrative status as draft-foo-bar containing a stuffed > snails recipe. A formal step is required before liaising to another SDO, > adoption by a WG is the 1st one. Indeed (tasty as stuffed snails are). My thinking is that the liaison should be simpler, plain text, rather than = being wrapped as a YANG module, which may or may not encourage readers in t= he ITU. It seems to me that it is Section 2.3.1 that needs a response from= the ITU and that wrapping that up in a YANG module may make that harder to= achieve. That is what gives me pause. Tom Petch > Cheers, > > Julien > > > On 02/04/2019 13:41, tom petch wrote: > > I never see much difference between working on an unadopted I-D and an > > adopted one so see scope for progress - e.g. Normative References - even > > if it is not adopted at this moment in time.. > > > _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Wed Apr 3 00:51:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DBA1200DF for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 00:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org 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=?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= Message-ID: <155428596335.22989.3373026547343406741.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 03:06:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft?= =?utf-8?q?-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14=3A_=28with_COMMEN?= =?utf-8?q?T=29?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 10:06:03 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Just one quick question I was wondering about in section 3.2.: "When a node receives several pairs, but there're are extra bandwidth-TLVs without matching index Availability-TLV, the extra bandwidth-TLVs MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated." Why is that? Is it not valid to also send some requests without availability? I thought that would make sense because it's basically saying, "just give me whatever you have because I don't know the availability requirements anyway", no? From nobody Wed Apr 3 03:33:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8201E1200BA for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 03:33:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gp_BMOly01UQ for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx02.puc.rediris.es (outbound1sev.lav.puc.rediris.es [130.206.19.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B45212008B for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leo.cttc.es (leo.cttc.es [84.88.62.208]) by mx02.puc.rediris.es with ESMTP id x33AX3VO030477-x33AX3VQ030477 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=CAFAIL) for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 12:33:03 +0200 Received: from [10.210.37.93] (unknown [135.238.155.254]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by leo.cttc.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B11A200A8 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2019 12:33:02 +0200 (CEST) To: ccamp@ietf.org References: From: Ricard Vilalta Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 12:33:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------703D52BAA93F1242D3FBE6A2" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 10:33:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------703D52BAA93F1242D3FBE6A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes/support. BR, Ricard On 01/04/2019 15:44, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > > Working group, > > This is the first time we manage to have all the IPR declarations from > so many authors in so little time…good progresses 😊 > > Hence we can start a one week poll on making > *draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 *a CCAMP working > group document. > > Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support" and a motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not > support" and nice to have for the "support". > > The polling will end on *Monday April 8^th * .. > > Thanks, > > Daniele & Fatai > > (Please note that we’re running a single week polling instead of the > classical 2 weeks as we would like to include the draft, if adopted, > in a liaison to ITU-T SG15) > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --------------703D52BAA93F1242D3FBE6A2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Yes/support.

BR,

Ricard

On 01/04/2019 15:44, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:

Working group,

 

This is the first time we manage to have all the IPR declarations from so many authors in so little time…good progresses 😊

Hence we can start a one week poll on making  draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 a CCAMP working group document.

Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a motivation for  your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and nice to have for the "support".

 

The polling will end on Monday April 8th ..

 

Thanks,

Daniele & Fatai

 

(Please note that we’re running a single week polling instead of the classical 2 weeks as we would like to include the draft, if adopted, in a liaison to ITU-T SG15)


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VI1PR07MB5567 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 12:04:08 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_02C0_01D4EA26.159489E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me clarify this statement from a process point of view. Without the liaison the work is blocked and we need a WG document in order to send a liaison to the ITU. Since the interest in the work is clear, in order to speed up the process Fatai and I agreed to call for the adoption of this version of the draft (IPR poll collection + WG poll can be a long process) and give some time to the authors to produce some text to be included (and agreed by the WG) in version -01. That version will be liaised. The actual version of the draft is not good enough for a liaison. BR Daniele -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP On Behalf Of Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) Sent: den 3 april 2019 13:25 To: tom petch Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Hi Tom, revised text for section 2.3.1 of the current draft and additional subsections describing how the YANG model relates to the ITU-T data plane definitions is already in preparation and will be shared with the WG soon. The plan is to produce a 01-version once the draft will have become a WG draft. This 01-version will include the revised text. Then, the 01-version of the WG draft will be liaised to ITU-T SG15 for comment. This is what has been agreed at a side meeting in Prague among the co-authors and folks who were interested in this subject. Thanks, Dieter On 02.04.2019 18:43, Leeyoung wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Yes, indeed I agree with you. Our intent is to specify the need for the liaison statement, the scope, and terminology in the main text (as you pointed out Section 2.3.1 in the current draft). Our plan is to highlight this section in the very upfront of the revised draft (perhaps 01 of the WG draft-to-be). > > Thanks. > Young > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of tom petch > Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 11:34 AM > To: julien.meuric@orange.com > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on > draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "tom petch" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 2:53 PM > >> Hi Tom, >> >> Though it may be true from a content perspective, any individual >> draft has the same administrative status as draft-foo-bar containing >> a > stuffed >> snails recipe. A formal step is required before liaising to another > SDO, >> adoption by a WG is the 1st one. > Indeed (tasty as stuffed snails are). > > My thinking is that the liaison should be simpler, plain text, rather than being wrapped as a YANG module, which may or may not encourage readers in the ITU. It seems to me that it is Section 2.3.1 that needs a response from the ITU and that wrapping that up in a YANG module may make that harder to achieve. That is what gives me pause. > > Tom Petch > >> Cheers, >> >> Julien >> >> >> On 02/04/2019 13:41, tom petch wrote: >>> I never see much difference between working on an unadopted I-D and > an >>> adopted one so see scope for progress - e.g. Normative References - > even >>> if it is not adopted at this moment in time.. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp ------=_NextPart_000_02C0_01D4EA26.159489E0 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVeTCCAyAw 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<155439000849.30886.16408565964646356370.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 08:00:08 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft?= =?utf-8?q?-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 15:00:09 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Minor editorial comment: Appendix F.2.4.: "G.7710 is different than the previous referenced alarm standards. It does define a data-model for alarm reporting. " Is this correct or is there a "not" missing? From nobody Thu Apr 4 14:09:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A971200E5; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 14:09:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <155441219772.30850.16834415326016227822.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:09:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 21:09:58 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Section 3.5, Alarm Life-Cycle. The text states that “A server SHOULD describe how long it retains cleared/closed alarms: until manually purged or if it has an automatic removal policy.” How is this retention policy described? Is that in scope for this document? (2) Section 4.2, Alarm Inventory. The text states that “A server MUST implement the alarm inventory in order to enable controlled alarm procedures in the client.” What is the expected server behavior if a client sends an alarm type not in the inventory (and it isn’t part of the dynamic addition process)? (2) Section 10, Security Considerations. It seems like “/alarms/alarm-list/alarm/set-operator-state” should be listed as an operation in the YANG model that presents a security issues (just like “purge-alarms”). Consider if one altered the operator alert state causing the alarm management procedures to miss an alert (e.g., setting an alert to “closed” before any action is taken). (3) Section 10, Security Considerations. I don’t know must about the implementations, but wouldn’t compressing alerts (per compress-alarms and compress-shelved-alarms operations) remove them from consideration by alarm management procedures? If so, these would be a sensitive operation that would need to be listed as the concern equivalent to the current text for purge-alarms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Section 1.1, Terminology, “Fault”. Consider expanding the acronym “MOS” (Mean Option Score?) (2) Section 2, Objectives, Consider s/X.733/[X.733]/ (3) Section 3.2, Alarm Type, Consider s/identity based/identity-based/ (4) Section 3.2, Alarm Type, Typo, s/standard organization/standards organization/ (5) Section 3.4, Identifying Alarm Instances, Consider s/were not really clear/were not clear/ (6) Section 3.5.2, Operator Alarm Life-cycle, Consider s/can also act upon/act upon/ (7) Section 3.5.2, Operator Alarm Life-cycle, Consider s/A closed alarm is an alarm/For example, a closed alarm is an alarm/ (8) Section 3.6, Root Cause, Impacted Resources and Related Alarms, Consider s/Different systems have various various/Different systems have varying/ (9) Section 3.6, Root Cause, Impacted Resources and Related Alarms, Consider s/In some occasions/On some occasions/ (10) Section 3.6, Root Cause, Impacted Resources and Related Alarms, Consider s/needs to represent an alarm that indicates a situation that needs acting upon/raises an alarm to indicate a situation requiring attention/ (11) Section 4.1.1, Alarm Shelving, The text states “The instrumentation MUST move shelved alarms from the alarm list (/alarms/alarm-list) to the shelved alarm list (/alarms/shelved-alarms/).” It wasn’t clear when these shelved alarms must be moved given the text. (12) Section 4.4, The Alarm List, The sentence, “The alarm list (/alarms/alarm-list) is a function from (resource, alarm type, alarm type qualifier) to the current composite alarm state” is missing a word/phrase. Removing the parenthetical remarks it reads a “The alarm list is a function from to the current composite alarm state” is does not parse. (13) Consider s/Life-cycle/Lifecycle/g From nobody Sat Apr 6 14:34:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93DB120126; Sat, 6 Apr 2019 14:34:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <155458648675.21847.15882795962444550355.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 14:34:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-iet?= =?utf-8?q?f-ccamp-alarm-module-08=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:34:47 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Easy to read and well-thought except for "shelving" alarms, it took me a while to understand that it was like "stashing" ;-) Section 3.4, may I assume that the document fixes the problem "X.733 and especially 3GPP were not really clear on this point." ? Perhaps did I miss the part where the alarm system could also fails: what alarm? status? does it generate? Or is it out of scope? *minor NITS* Section 1 s/north-bound/northbound/ ? From nobody Sun Apr 7 23:17:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78EF1203B3; Sun, 7 Apr 2019 23:17:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: <155470422974.18254.18244907474058589870.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 23:17:09 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 06:17:10 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- — Section 3.1 — When the Availability TLV is included, it MUST be present along with the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. I had to read this a couple of time to get it. I suggest that this reads a bit better: NEW When the Availability TLV is included, the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV MUST also be included. END There’s also a nit in the description of “Availability”: “1and” is missing a space. — Section 3.2 — When a node receives Availability TLVs which mixed of zero index and non-zero index, Nit: “...TLVs with a mix of zero index...” Nit later in the section: change “there're are” to “there are”. 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Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-iet?= =?utf-8?q?f-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 08:51:47 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENTS ======== C1) Section 3.1 "Availability TLV" is a little too generic IMHO, should rather be named "Bandwidth availability TLV" C2) Section 3.1, the availability encoding by a float is possibly not the optimum one esp with 3 bytes 'reserved'. I would have expected something (perhaps too simple ?) such as one byte where 'n' means availability of 1-10**n (for example, 3 means 1-10**-3 == 0.999). But, this is a detail. NITS ==== N1) Section 3.1, s/MUST be less than 1and/MUST be less than 1 and/ From nobody Mon Apr 8 02:42:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064B21200B8; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 02:42:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ilRTKYhHvkDK; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 02:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B092D12006D; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 02:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML713-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 51EDAD992CD2225A7437; 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Mon, 8 Apr 2019 03:13:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Magnus Westerlund Message-ID: <155471841105.6393.10821256003431720439.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 03:13:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 10:13:31 -0000 Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 3.1: Availability (4 octets): a 32-bit floating point number describes the decimal value of availability requirement for this bandwidth request. The value MUST be less than 1and is usually expressed in the value of 0.99/0.999/0.9999/0.99999. It appears that this format has some very clear limitations when it comes to store availability numbers. Assuming that this 32-bit float is an IEEE-754 representation which should be explicitly stated. In that case representing availabilities higher than 0.999999 starts to introduce significant errors in relation to intended precision. Intended value Error Actual value 0.999999 -1.3278961181640625E-8 0.999998986721038818359375 0.9999999 -1.920928955078125E-8 0.99999988079071044921875 0.99999999 1E-8 1 (Which is not allowed) So at a minimal the limitations for what is practical to express needs to be provided. Secondly, are this range sufficient in all cases? From nobody Mon Apr 8 04:01:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C457D1201C1; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 04:01:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t70UplUj0m0x; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 04:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C961200D7; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 04:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 119021AE02BD; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:01:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 13:01:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20190408.130134.508071569625156828.mbj@tail-f.com> To: ietf@kuehlewind.net, noreply@ietf.org Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <155439000849.30886.16408565964646356370.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <155439000849.30886.16408565964646356370.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?iso-8859-1?q?Mirja_K=FChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_dra?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 11:01:37 -0000 Hi, Mirja K=FChlewind via Datatracker wrote: > Mirja K=FChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: No Objection > = > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all= > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > = > = > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.= html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > = > = > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ > = > = > = > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > = > Minor editorial comment: > Appendix F.2.4.: > "G.7710 is different than the previous referenced alarm standards. I= t > does define a data-model for alarm reporting. " > Is this correct or is there a "not" missing? A "not" is indeed missing, thanks for catching this! /martin From nobody Mon Apr 8 04:47:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9864A12006F; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 04:47:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jN5Obbe113bO; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 04:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BEF12004A; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 04:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3F9C1AE02BD; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:47:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 13:47:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20190408.134748.1365144734427040436.mbj@tail-f.com> To: rdd@cert.org, noreply@ietf.org Cc: iesg@ietf.org, ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <155441219772.30850.16834415326016227822.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <155441219772.30850.16834415326016227822.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 11:47:53 -0000 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ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <155458648675.21847.15882795962444550355.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <155458648675.21847.15882795962444550355.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?iso-8859-1?q?=C9ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?iso-8859-1?q?etf-ccamp-alarm-module-08=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 11:54:44 -0000 Hi, =C9ric Vyncke via Datatracker wrote: > =C9ric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: No Objection > = > When responding, please keep the 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(Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > = > = > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.= html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > = > = > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ > = > = > = > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > = > Easy to read and well-thought except for "shelving" alarms, it took m= e a while > to understand that it was like "stashing" ;-) This term was discussed by the WG, but since it is commonly used in the alarm industry, we kept it. > Section 3.4, may I assume that the document fixes the problem "X.733 = and > especially 3GPP were not really clear on this point." ? Yes. > Perhaps did I miss the part where the alarm system could also fails: = what > alarm? status? does it generate? Or is it out of scope? This document doesn't define any specific alarm types, so in that sense this is out of scope. > *minor NITS* > Section 1 s/north-bound/northbound/ ? 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Mon, 8 Apr 2019 08:45:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alissa Cooper via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alissa Cooper Message-ID: <155473833156.14184.7156291197819695108.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 08:45:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 15:45:32 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you addressing the Gen-ART review. This sentence in Section 4 does not parse properly: The rest of the data model are made conditional with YANG the features "operator-actions", "alarm-shelving", "alarm-history", "alarm-summary", "alarm-profile", and "severity-assignment". 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Stefan, thank you for making the = corresponding changes. I entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Mar 20, 2019, at 3:51 AM, stefan vallin wrote: >=20 > Thanks Dan! >=20 >> On 19 Mar 2019, at 19:54, Dan Romascanu > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Stefan,=20 >>=20 >> Thank you for your answer and for addressing my concerns. I am = comfortable with your proposals. If your AD agrees, I would include = these in a revised version before submission to the approval of the = IESG.=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Dan >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM stefan vallin > wrote: >> Hi Dan! >> Thanks for your review, an honour to have RFC 3877 in the loop :) >> See inline >> br Stefan >>=20 >>=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> > Major issues: >> >=20 >> > 1. The definition of Alarm is key for the whole model. It reads = like this: >> > Alarm (the general concept): An alarm signifies an undesirable = state in a >> > resource that requires corrective action. >> >=20 >> > However, RFC 3877 already defined a number of concepts including: >> > Error >> > A deviation of a system from normal operation. >> >=20 >> > Fault >> > Lasting error or warning condition. >> >=20 >> > .... >> >=20 >> > Alarm >> > Persistent indication of a fault. >> >=20 >> > I believe that there is a need to show why the model defined by RFC = 3877 needs >> > to be changed, and why the difference that RFC 3877 was making = between a Fault >> > and an Alarm is no longer needed. >>=20 >> Good comment, you are right, and we need to keep the distinction = between fault and alarm. >> That distinction is used in X.733, 3GPP IRP and others. The general = pattern is that =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D >> refers to what is really broken, and the alarm the manifestation of = that underlying cause.=20 >> There is not a simple 1-1 relationship between a fault and an alarm >> * 1 fault may have many alarms due to limited root cause capabilities = of the system >> * There might be no underlying fault to an alarm, consider a = non-optimal QoS configuration=20 >> which gives bad quality in VOIP calls. Certainly a MOS alarm from = the VOIP probe, but there >> is no =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D as such (if you do not consider a = non-optimal config as a fault) >>=20 >> So X.733 >> X.733 fault: The physical or algorithmic cause of a malfunction >> 3GPP fault: a deviation of a system from normal operation, which may = result in the loss of operational capabilities of the element or the = loss of redundancy in case of a redundant configuration >>=20 >> I suggest we add the following to terminology: >> Fault: the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour >>=20 >> If we then turn to the term =E2=80=9Calarm". I have added two aspects = to the definition of an alarm: >>=20 >> An alarm signifies an *undesirable state* in a resource that = *requires corrective action*. >>=20 >> Mostly based on the alarm standardization work in the process = industry (see draft references). >>=20 >> 1) Rather than =E2=80=9Cdeviation from normal=E2=80=9D, we say = =E2=80=9Cundesirable=E2=80=9D, subtle difference. >> In IT environments it is easier to define what is normal, a normal = load to a web server. >> And anything deviation from that normal load could be an alarm. >> In networking, things are more dynamic, and deviation from normal = might be the desired state. >> So the definition stresses the fact that it is an undesired state, = not just deviation from normal. >>=20 >> 2) Adding the requirement that an alarm per definition should require = an action. This is a sound >> requirement that puts requirements on what qualifies as an alarm = and limits the amounts of alarms. >> (See for example the EEMUA, and ISA182 references in the draft). = The 3GPP Alarm standard >> also added this to their definition at the later revisions to = address the alarm overload problem. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> > Also, RFC 3877 defined in Section 3 a >> > Framework and an Architecture that was consistent with X.733. This = document has >> > no such section, and while acknowledging the need for a mapping to = X.733 it >> > states as a goal: >> > Mapping to X.733, which is a requirement for some alarm systems. = Still, keep >> > some of the X.733 concepts out of the core model in order to make = the model >> > small and easy to understand >> >=20 >> > More details about what is left out and why these are not needed = would help. >> The alarm YANG model does not *require* the X.733 parameter >> definitions of for example probable-cause enum values. Today, most = networking devices=20 >> and management systems do not rely on those enumerations. >>=20 >> Those are defined in the X733 augmentation module in order to keep = the core model as >> small and useful as possible. X733 requirements come more often from = telecom environments. >>=20 >>=20 >> >=20 >> > Minor issues: >> >=20 >> > 1. Section 2 makes a statement that includes >> > ... While IETF has not really addressed alarm management >> >=20 >> > This is is actually not accurate. RFC 3877 addressed Alarm = Management. Maybe >> > there is a need to revise that approach, but this should be done = explicitly, >> > not by stating that it did not exist. >> Correct, bad wording. >> OLD TEXT: >> Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G. While IETF >> has not really addressed alarm management, telecom standards = has >> addressed it purely from a protocol perspective. The process >> industry has published several relevant standards addressing >> requirements for a useful alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182]. >> This alarm module defines usability requirements as well as a = YANG >> data model. >> SUGGESTION: >> Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G. While IETF >> and telecom standards have addressed alarms mostly from a=20 >> protocol perspective, the process industry has published=20 >> several relevant standards addressing requirements for a useful=20= >> alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182]. >> This alarm module defines usability requirements as well as a = YANG >> data model. >>=20 >> >=20 >> > 2. Section 3.5: >> > Closing an alarm implies that the operator considers the corrective = action >> > performed. >> >=20 >> > Is this always true? The undesirable state may have been cancelled = by some >> > other event than corrective action, for example the resource is no = longer used, >> > or the time elapsed mat have made the undesirable state irrelevant. >>=20 >> I think it is important to keep the two perspectives in mind. An = operator closing an >> alarm is only a flag from the operations team that the alarm does not = need an action. >> It might be cleared or not cleared by the system. >>=20 >> So in your first example, the alarm is probably cleared by the = instrumentation,=20 >> correlating =E2=80=9Cthe other event=E2=80=9D. >>=20 >> If the resource is no longer used a shelf should be created. >>=20 >> If time has passed, depends, =E2=80=A6. >>=20 >> >=20 >> > 3. In section 3.5.1: >> > Alarms are not cleared by operators, only the underlying = instrumentation can >> > clear an alarm. Operators can close alarms. >> >=20 >> > So, the document makes a distinction between clearing an alarm and = closing an >> > alarm. It may be good to define two two concepts to make the = distinction clear. >>=20 >> Good point! >>=20 >> Suggested terminology additions: >> * Cleared alarm: a cleared alarm is an alarm where the system/server = considers the >> undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not clear alarms, = clearance is managed >> by the system. A linkUp notification can be considered a clear = condition for a linkDown state. >>=20 >> * Closed alarm: operators can close alarms irrespective of the alarm = being cleared or not. >> A closed alarm indicates that the alarm does not need attention, = either since the corrective >> action has been taken or that it can be ignored for other reasons. >>=20 >>=20 >> >=20 >> > 4. Appendix F.1: >> > The alarm MIB is state oriented rather than notification oriented, = an alarm >> > is a "lasting condition", not a discrete notification reporting = about a >> > condition state change. >> Good catch, will rephrase, the alarm MIB and the alarm YANG has a = stateful view >> of alarms, not notification-focused. >>=20 >> Suggested change: >> OLD >> RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". This is >> problematic, since this might not require an operator action. The = alarm MIB is state=20 >> oriented rather than notification oriented, an alarm is a "lasting = condition", not a=20 >> discrete notification reporting about a condition state change. >> NEW: >> RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". The Alarm YANG >> model adds the requirement that it should require an corrective = action and should be undesired,=20 >> not only a deviation from normal. The alarm MIB is state oriented in = the same way as the Alarm YANG, >> it focuses on the "lasting condition", not the individual = notifications. >>=20 >>=20 >> >=20 >> > I am not sure that I understand this comment. Alarm states are = defined also in >> > this document, and Alarms as defined here are also different than ' = a discrete >> > notification reporting about a condition state change'. So, what = does this >> > comment really try to say? >> >=20 >> > Nits/editorial comments: >> >=20 >> >=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art --Apple-Mail=_95B7A1E4-3EED-4B3A-9AFA-3D8852820347 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Dan, = thanks for your review. Stefan, thank you for making the corresponding = changes. I entered a No Objection ballot.

Alissa

On Mar = 20, 2019, at 3:51 AM, stefan vallin <stefan@wallan.se> = wrote:

Thanks Dan!

On 19 Mar 2019, at 19:54, Dan Romascanu = <dromasca@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Stefan,

Thank you for your = answer and for addressing my concerns. I am comfortable with your = proposals. If your AD agrees, I would include these in a revised version = before submission to the approval of the IESG.

Regards,

Dan


On Tue, Mar = 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM stefan vallin <stefan@wallan.se> wrote:
Hi Dan!
Thanks for your review, an honour to have RFC 3877 in the loop :)
See inline
br Stefan


>
>
> Major issues:
>
> 1. The definition of Alarm is key for the whole model. It reads = like this:
> Alarm (the general concept): An alarm signifies an undesirable = state in a
> resource that requires corrective action.
>
> However, RFC 3877 already defined a number of concepts = including:
>  Error
>      A deviation of a system from normal = operation.
>
>   Fault
>      Lasting error or warning condition.
>
>   ....
>
>   Alarm
>      Persistent indication of a fault.
>
> I believe that there is a need to show why the model defined by RFC = 3877 needs
> to be changed, and why the difference that RFC 3877 was making = between a Fault
> and an Alarm is no longer needed.

Good comment, you are right, and we need to keep the distinction between = fault and alarm.
That distinction is used in X.733, 3GPP IRP and others. The general = pattern is that =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D
refers to what is really broken, and the alarm the manifestation of that = underlying cause.
There is not a simple 1-1 relationship between a fault and an alarm
* 1 fault may have many alarms due to limited root cause capabilities of = the system
* There might be no underlying fault to an alarm, consider a non-optimal = QoS configuration
  which gives bad quality in VOIP calls. Certainly a MOS alarm from = the VOIP probe, but there
  is no =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D as such (if you do not consider a = non-optimal config as a fault)

So X.733
X.733 fault: The physical or algorithmic cause of a malfunction
3GPP fault: a deviation of a system from normal operation, which may = result in the loss of operational capabilities of the element or the = loss of redundancy in case of a redundant configuration

I suggest we add the following to terminology:
Fault: the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour

If we then turn to the term =E2=80=9Calarm". I have added two aspects to = the definition of an alarm:

An alarm signifies an *undesirable state* in a resource that *requires = corrective action*.

Mostly based on the alarm standardization work in the process industry = (see draft references).

1) Rather than =E2=80=9Cdeviation from normal=E2=80=9D, we say = =E2=80=9Cundesirable=E2=80=9D, subtle difference.
  In IT environments it is easier to define what is normal, a = normal load to a web server.
  And anything deviation from that normal load could be an = alarm.
  In networking, things are more dynamic, and deviation from normal = might be the desired state.
  So the definition stresses the fact that it is an undesired = state, not just deviation from normal.

2) Adding the requirement that an alarm per definition should require an = action. This is a sound
  requirement that puts requirements on what qualifies as an alarm = and limits the amounts of alarms.
  (See for example the EEMUA, and ISA182 references in the draft). = The 3GPP Alarm standard
  also added this to their definition at the later revisions to = address the alarm overload problem.





> Also, RFC 3877 defined in Section 3 a
> Framework and an Architecture that was consistent with X.733. This = document has
> no such section, and while acknowledging the need for a mapping to = X.733 it
> states as a goal:
> Mapping to X.733, which is a requirement for some alarm systems. = Still, keep
> some of the X.733 concepts out of the core model in order to make = the model
> small and easy to understand
>
> More details about what is left out and why these are not needed = would help.
The alarm YANG model  does not *require* the X.733 parameter
definitions of for example probable-cause enum values. Today, most = networking devices
and management systems do not rely on those enumerations.

Those are defined in the X733 augmentation module in order to keep the = core model as
small and useful as possible. X733 requirements come more often from = telecom environments.


>
> Minor issues:
>
> 1. Section 2 makes a statement that includes
> ... While IETF has not really addressed alarm management
>
> This is is actually not accurate. RFC 3877 addressed Alarm = Management. Maybe
> there is a need to revise that approach, but this should be done = explicitly,
> not by stating that it did not exist.
Correct, bad wording.
OLD TEXT:
Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G.  While = IETF
      has not really addressed alarm management, telecom = standards has
      addressed it purely from a protocol = perspective.  The process
      industry has published several relevant standards = addressing
      requirements for a useful alarm interface; [EEMUA], = [ISA182].
      This alarm module defines usability requirements as = well as a YANG
      data model.
SUGGESTION:
Address alarm usability requirements, see Appendix G.  While = IETF
      and telecom standards have addressed alarms mostly = from a
      protocol perspective, the process industry has = published
      several relevant standards addressing requirements = for a useful
      alarm interface; [EEMUA], [ISA182].
      This alarm module defines usability requirements as = well as a YANG
      data model.

>
> 2. Section 3.5:
> Closing an alarm implies that the operator considers the corrective = action
> performed.
>
> Is this always true? The undesirable state may have been cancelled = by some
> other event than corrective action, for example the resource is no = longer used,
> or the time elapsed mat have made the undesirable state = irrelevant.

I think it is important to keep the two perspectives in mind. An = operator closing an
alarm is only a flag from the operations team that the alarm does not = need an action.
It might be cleared or not cleared by the system.

So in your first example, the alarm is probably cleared by the = instrumentation,
correlating =E2=80=9Cthe other event=E2=80=9D.

If the resource is no longer used a shelf should be created.

If time has passed, depends, =E2=80=A6.

>
> 3. In section 3.5.1:
> Alarms are not cleared by operators, only the underlying = instrumentation can
> clear an alarm.  Operators can close alarms.
>
> So, the document makes a distinction between clearing an alarm and = closing an
> alarm. It may be good to define two two concepts to make the = distinction clear.

Good point!

Suggested terminology additions:
* Cleared alarm: a cleared alarm is an alarm where the system/server = considers the
undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not clear alarms, clearance = is managed
by the system. A linkUp notification can be considered a clear condition = for a linkDown state.

* Closed alarm: operators can close alarms irrespective of the alarm = being cleared or not.
A closed alarm indicates that the alarm does not need attention, either = since the corrective
action has been taken or that it can be ignored for other reasons.


>
> 4. Appendix F.1:
> The alarm MIB is state oriented rather than notification oriented, = an alarm
> is a "lasting condition", not a discrete notification reporting = about a
> condition state change.
Good catch, will rephrase, the alarm MIB and the alarm YANG has a = stateful view
of alarms, not notification-focused.

Suggested change:
OLD
RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". This is
problematic, since this might not require an  operator action. The = alarm MIB is state
oriented rather than notification oriented,  an alarm is a = "lasting  condition", not a
discrete notification reporting about a condition state change.
NEW:
RFC 3877 defines alarm referring back to "a deviation from normal = operation". The Alarm YANG
model adds the requirement that it should require an corrective action = and should be undesired,
not only a deviation from normal. The alarm MIB is state oriented in the = same way as the Alarm YANG,
it focuses on the  "lasting  condition", not the individual = notifications.


>
> I am not sure that I understand this comment. Alarm states are = defined also in
> this document, and Alarms as defined here are also different than ' = a discrete
> notification reporting about a condition state change'. So, what = does this
> comment really try to say?
>
> Nits/editorial comments:
>
>


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= --Apple-Mail=_95B7A1E4-3EED-4B3A-9AFA-3D8852820347-- From nobody Mon Apr 8 11:07:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3871B1200B5; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 11:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l5ZzAriRmalS; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 11:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7331200A1; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 11:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (h-4-215.A165.priv.bahnhof.se [158.174.4.215]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 734411AE02BD; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 20:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 20:07:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20190408.200701.1689700020761258501.mbj@tail-f.com> To: alissa@cooperw.in, noreply@ietf.org Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <155473833156.14184.7156291197819695108.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <155473833156.14184.7156291197819695108.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 18:07:06 -0000 Hi, Alissa Cooper via Datatracker wrote: > Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thank you addressing the Gen-ART review. > > This sentence in Section 4 does not parse properly: The rest of the data model > are made conditional with YANG the features "operator-actions", > "alarm-shelving", "alarm-history", "alarm-summary", "alarm-profile", and > "severity-assignment". Now fixed; "...with the YANG features..." > In 4.1: s/corresponds to the ITU Alarm Report Control functionality/corresponds > to the ITU X.733 Alarm Report Control functionality Now fixed. Thanks for catching these! /martin From nobody Mon Apr 8 13:44:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCEA1205D7; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <155475628903.30058.8136578311950144931.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 13:44:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 20:44:49 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think we may need to double-check that the example in Appendix C is fully compliant with the main spec. In particular, are the elments properly sorted? (I'm less sure whether the time needs to match a or whether the is good enough for that.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 1.1 o Fault: A fault is the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour. There is no trivial one-to-one mapping between faults and alarms. One fault may result in several alarms in case the system lacks root-cause and correlation capabilities. An alarm might not have an underlying fault as a cause, imagine a bad MOS score alarm from a VOIP probe and the cause being non-optimal QoS configuration. nit: this is a comma splice o Alarm Type: An alarm type identifies a possible unique alarm state for a resource. Alarm types are names to identify the state like "link-alarm", "jitter-violation", "high-disk-utilization". Are these only intended for human consumption? o Cleared alarm: A cleared alarm is an alarm where the system/server considers the undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not clear alarms, clearance is managed by the system. A linkUp notification can be considered a clear condition for a linkDown state. nit: I'd suggest "For example, " before "a linkUp notification [...]" o Corrective Action: An action taken by an operator or automation routine in order to minimize the impact of the alarm or resolving the root cause. nit: "or resolve the root cause" Section 2 o Clear definition of "alarm" in order to exclude general events that should not be forwarded as alarm notifications. I'm not sure I am parsing this correctly. Is the objective to *provide* such a clear definition? (Similarly for the next item.) Part of my confusion probably stems from the dual use of the word "clear" as a verb and a noun in English. Section 3.2 In order to allow for dynamic addition of alarm types the alarm module allows for further qualification of the identity based alarm type using a string. A potential drawback of this is that there is a big risk that alarm operators will receive alarm types as a surprise, they do not know how to resolve the problem since a defined alarm procedure does not necessarily exist. [...] nit: this is a comma splice. Section 3.5.1 From a resource perspective, an alarm can for example have the following life-cycle: raise, change severity, change severity, clear, Is the duplicate "change severity" intentional? For the alarm history functionality, a given 'time' leaf is clearly the time that a change occurred, but are the sibling leafs the state before that change or after that change? (It looks like the actual YANG module descriptions (e.g., for 'status-change') indicate that this is the state after that change, but I don't know if it makes sense to also mention that here or not.) Section 3.7 (blocked/filtered). Shelved alarms appear in a dedicated shelved alarm list in order not to disturb the relevant alarms. Shelved nit: this sentence could probably be reworded for greater clarity (what does "disturb" mean, and perhaps what "relevant alarms" is may not be clear just from context). Section 4.1 The "/alarms/control/notify-status-changes" leaf controls if notifications are sent for all state changes, only raise and clear, or only notifications more severe than a configured level. This feature in combination with alarm shelving corresponds to the ITU Alarm Report Control functionality. Is there a specific section reference for the ITU functionality? (If not, it's probably fine to leave this as-is). Section 4.2 The system might not instrument all defined alarm type identities, and some alarm identities are abstract. I just wanted to double-check: the intent is indeed to use "instrument" here (as opposed to, say, "implement")? Section 4.7 /alarms/alarm-list/purge-alarms: Delete alarms from the "alarm-list" according to specific criteria, for example all cleared alarms older than a specific date. /alarms/alarm-list/compress-alarms: Compress the "status-change" list for the alarms. It's a bit confusing to me to have such different language for these two action nodes, since as far as I can tell the compress-alarms action also allows for specific criteria (e.g., resources) to be provided to limit the scope of the action. (Similarly for compress-shelved-alarms.) Section 6 feature service-impact-analysis { description "The system supports identifying candidate impacted resources for an alarm, for example a link being impacted by an interface alarm."; nit: it feels a bit odd to say that the link is "impacted by an alarm", since normally the causality flow would be the other way -- the link state changes, and then an alarm stat changes. I'm not sure I understand the distinction between 'warning' and 'minor' severities -- it seems that neither is supposed to be indicating a service-affecting fault. For the 'age-spec' choice, am I reading RFC 7950 correctly that I choose exactly one case of the choice, so I can't have both a "minute part" and an "hours part"? If so, then I would suggest using different description text for the choices, since the current text implies that you can combine parts with different units to assemble a compound timespec. list alarm { [...] Entries appear in the alarm list the first time an alarm becomes active for a given alarm-type and resource. Entries do not get deleted when the alarm is cleared, this is a boolean state in the alarm. nit: this is a comma splice. Section 10 It's a bit of a stretch as far as an attack, but an attacker that can temporarily reduce max-alarm-status-changes to a small value (e.g., one) could use that to hide their tracks to some extent if they can cause the alarm to clear after they've done what they intended to do. (They could then restore the max-alarm-status-changes value, too.) It seems that the list of alarms itself may be potentially sensitive, in that it potentially gives an attacker an authoritative picture of the (broken) state of the network. Appendix F.1 nit: We say that X.733 alarms "also use the basic criteria of deviation from normal condition", but it's not entirely clear whether the "also" indicates that they share this behavior with some external reference point or is a synonym for "additionally". nit: I think the semicolon in the ISA "comment" should be a regular colon. The paragraph at the end talks about "evolution" and "moves from" -- is the table sorted chronologically? Appendix G Are tables 4 and 5 talking about alarm rates or notification rates? From nobody Mon Apr 8 14:35:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7939C120627; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 14:35:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Warren Kumari via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org, jclarke@cisco.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Warren Kumari Message-ID: <155475933548.30143.7125328513195195530.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 14:35:35 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 21:35:36 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I support Roman's DISCUSS, especially #2. Also, please see the OpsDir review here -- I believe that you have already discussed it with the reviewer (Thank you, Joe Clarke!), but wanted to make sure that you also catch the nits. Like Joe, and others, I find the term "Alarm Shelving" to be confusing - it may be a formal term of art, but I've working in / with many NOCs, and have never heard the term used; if anything the terminology I'm familiar with "Shut up stupid alarm! I'll suppress it for now....". Shelving evokes memories of https://pics.me.me/10-ill-just-put-this-over-here-with-the-rest-32772452.png I would suggest introducing the term earlier, and more fully describing it as a courtesy to other readers. "X.733 and especially 3GPP were not really clear on this point." - this sounds (unncessarily) rude - I would suggest perhaps "The X.733 and 3GPP Alarm IRP documents are not really clear ..." Nits: "For example, a system with digital inputs that allows users to connects detectors" s/connects/connect/ I would also think that a better term is "sensors" "A potential drawback of this is that there is a big risk that alarm operators will receive alarm types as a surprise, ..." "big" reads oddly - I would suggest "significant" instead. "Alarm deletion (using the action "purge-alarms"), can use this state as a criterion." - superfluous comma. From nobody Mon Apr 8 18:38:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A6B120225; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 18:38:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Shwetha Bhandari via Datatracker To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Shwetha Bhandari Message-ID: <155477391380.30201.8057471157801111490@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 18:38:33 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 01:38:34 -0000 Reviewer: Shwetha Bhandari Review result: Has Issues I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. Summary: This document introduces an optional Availability TLV in Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineer (RSVP-TE) signaling. This extension can be used to set up a Generalized Multi- Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) in conjunction with the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object. The term availability is used to describe links with variable bandwidth. This TLV and its processing described in the document is useful in efficient network planning of the link capacity by communicating different bandwidth availability classes needed by different types of services over variable bandwidth links. I do not see any operational or manageability related issues due to introducing this new TLV and its processing. However I concur with the Genart review comment that raises an issue on the recommended behavior of existing implementation of RSVP protocol that do not understand the TLV: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gen-art/eW3cbYTHCn4G-kwRb3Tqvy2SAV4 This needs to be resolved before the document can be considered ready. From nobody Mon Apr 8 20:57:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A49A120292; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 20:57:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: <155478227009.30139.11150463406640678841.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 20:57:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 03:57:50 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- — Section 3.2 — A nit: For example, a system with digital inputs that allows users to connects detectors (e.g., smoke detector) to the inputs. This is a sentence fragment ans also has a number error in “connects”. NEW An example is a system with digital inputs that allows users to connect detectors, such as smoke detectors, to the inputs. 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Thanks for your review! See inline br Stefan and Martin > On 8 Apr 2019, at 22:44, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: Discuss >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I think we may need to double-check that the example in Appendix C is > fully compliant with the main spec. In particular, are the > elments properly sorted? (I'm less sure whether the > time needs to match a or whether the > is good enough for that.) Thanks for catching this! The example was as intended but the = description clauses where wrong. list status-change { description OLD: This list is ordered according to the timestamps of alarm state changes. The last item corresponds to the latest state change. NEW: This list is ordered according to the timestamps of alarm status changes. The first item corresponds to the latest status change. Both and will update leaf last-changed { description OLD: "A timestamp when the alarm status was last changed. Status changes are changes to 'is-cleared', 'perceived-severity', and 'alarm-text'."; NEW: "A timestamp when the 'status-change' or 'operator-state-change' = list was last changed."; >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Section 1.1 >=20 > o Fault: A fault is the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour. > There is no trivial one-to-one mapping between faults and alarms. > One fault may result in several alarms in case the system lacks > root-cause and correlation capabilities. An alarm might not have > an underlying fault as a cause, imagine a bad MOS score alarm = from > a VOIP probe and the cause being non-optimal QoS configuration. >=20 > nit: this is a comma splice change to=20 An alarm might not have an underlying fault as a cause. For example, imagine a bad Mean Opppinion Score (MOS) alarm from a Voice Over IP (VOIP) probe and the cause being non-optimal QoS configuration. >=20 > o Alarm Type: An alarm type identifies a possible unique alarm = state > for a resource. Alarm types are names to identify the state like > "link-alarm", "jitter-violation", "high-disk-utilization". >=20 > Are these only intended for human consumption? No, these are YANG identities and intended for automation software as = well >=20 > o Cleared alarm: A cleared alarm is an alarm where the = system/server > considers the undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not > clear alarms, clearance is managed by the system. A linkUp > notification can be considered a clear condition for a linkDown > state. >=20 > nit: I'd suggest "For example, " before "a linkUp notification = [=E2=80=A6]=E2=80=9D Ok, fixed >=20 > o Corrective Action: An action taken by an operator or automation > routine in order to minimize the impact of the alarm or resolving > the root cause. >=20 > nit: "or resolve the root cause=E2=80=9D Ok, fixed >=20 > Section 2 >=20 > o Clear definition of "alarm" in order to exclude general events > that should not be forwarded as alarm notifications. >=20 > I'm not sure I am parsing this correctly. Is the objective to = *provide* > such a clear definition? (Similarly for the next item.) Part of my > confusion probably stems from the dual use of the word "clear" as a = verb > and a noun in English. Good comment, suggestion below: OLD: Clear definition of "alarm" in order to exclude general events that should not be forwarded as alarm notifications. NEW: to provide a precise definition of "alarm" in order to exclude = general events that should not be forwarded as alarm notifications. >=20 > Section 3.2 >=20 > In order to allow for dynamic addition of alarm types the alarm > module allows for further qualification of the identity based alarm > type using a string. A potential drawback of this is that there is = a > big risk that alarm operators will receive alarm types as a = surprise, > they do not know how to resolve the problem since a defined alarm > procedure does not necessarily exist. [...] >=20 > nit: this is a comma splice. Correct, will change the comma to a period. >=20 > Section 3.5.1 >=20 > =46rom a resource perspective, an alarm can for example have the > following life-cycle: raise, change severity, change severity, = clear, >=20 > Is the duplicate "change severity" intentional? Yes. An alarm can toggle minor, major, minor for example >=20 > For the alarm history functionality, a given 'time' leaf is clearly = the > time that a change occurred, but are the sibling leafs the state = before > that change or after that change? (It looks like the actual YANG = module > descriptions (e.g., for 'status-change') indicate that this is the = state > after that change, but I don't know if it makes sense to also mention > that here or not.) As described in the YANG module it is the state after that change >=20 > Section 3.7 >=20 > (blocked/filtered). Shelved alarms appear in a dedicated shelved > alarm list in order not to disturb the relevant alarms. Shelved >=20 > nit: this sentence could probably be reworded for greater clarity = (what > does "disturb" mean, and perhaps what "relevant alarms" is may not be > clear just from context). Good comment! OLD: (blocked/filtered). Shelved alarms appear in a dedicated shelved alarm list in order not to disturb the relevant alarms. Shelved NEW: (blocked/filtered). Shelved alarms appear in a dedicated shelved alarm list in order to be filtered out from the alarm-list. Shelved >=20 > Section 4.1 >=20 > The "/alarms/control/notify-status-changes" leaf controls if > notifications are sent for all state changes, only raise and clear, > or only notifications more severe than a configured level. This > feature in combination with alarm shelving corresponds to the ITU > Alarm Report Control functionality. >=20 > Is there a specific section reference for the ITU functionality? (If > not, it's probably fine to leave this as-is). Good comment, changed to: This feature in combination with alarm shelving corresponds to the ITU Alarm Report Control functionality, see Appendix F.2.4. >=20 > Section 4.2 >=20 > The system might not instrument all defined alarm type = identities, > and some alarm identities are abstract. >=20 > I just wanted to double-check: the intent is indeed to use = "instrument" > here (as opposed to, say, "implement=E2=80=9D)? It was intentional but changed to "implement" >=20 > Section 4.7 >=20 > /alarms/alarm-list/purge-alarms: Delete alarms from the = "alarm-list" > according to specific criteria, for example all cleared alarms > older than a specific date. >=20 > /alarms/alarm-list/compress-alarms: Compress the "status-change" > list for the alarms. >=20 > It's a bit confusing to me to have such different language for these = two > action nodes, since as far as I can tell the compress-alarms action = also > allows for specific criteria (e.g., resources) to be provided to limit > the scope of the action. (Similarly for compress-shelved-alarms.) Ok, I do not think we will consider changing the action names at this = point >=20 > Section 6 >=20 > feature service-impact-analysis { > description > "The system supports identifying candidate impacted > resources for an alarm, for example a link being impacted > by an interface alarm."; >=20 > nit: it feels a bit odd to say that the link is "impacted by an = alarm", > since normally the causality flow would be the other way -- the link > state changes, and then an alarm stat changes. OLD: "The system supports identifying candidate impacted resources for an alarm, for example a link being impacted by an interface alarm."; NEW: "The system supports identifying candidate impacted resources for an alarm. For example, an interface state change resulting in a link alarm which can refer to a link as being = impacted."; >=20 > I'm not sure I understand the distinction between 'warning' and = 'minor' > severities -- it seems that neither is supposed to be indicating a > service-affecting fault. Can agree the difference is subtle and even unclear. However these are the original definitions from X.733 and they are being used in the = industry. * for minor there is a fault: (indicates the existence of a non-service = affecting fault) * for warning there might be one coming up: (detection of a potential or = impending) >=20 > For the 'age-spec' choice, am I reading RFC 7950 correctly that I = choose > exactly one case of the choice, so I can't have both a "minute part" > and an "hours part"? If so, then I would suggest using different > description text for the choices, since the current text implies that > you can combine parts with different units to assemble a compound > timespec. Good comment: OLD: Seconds part. NEW: Age expressed in seconds. And the same change for the other cases >=20 > list alarm { > [...] > Entries appear in the alarm list the first time an alarm > becomes active for a given alarm-type and resource. > Entries do not get deleted when the alarm is cleared, = this > is a boolean state in the alarm. >=20 > nit: this is a comma splice. OLD: Entries appear in the alarm list the first time an alarm becomes active for a given alarm-type and resource. Entries do not get deleted when the alarm is cleared, this is a boolean state in the alarm. NEW: =20 Entries appear in the alarm list the first time an alarm becomes active for a given alarm-type and resource. Entries do not get deleted when the alarm is cleared. Clear status is represented as a boolean flag. >=20 > Section 10 >=20 > It's a bit of a stretch as far as an attack, but an attacker that can > temporarily reduce max-alarm-status-changes to a small value (e.g., = one) > could use that to hide their tracks to some extent if they can cause = the > alarm to clear after they've done what they intended to do. (They = could > then restore the max-alarm-status-changes value, too.) Notifications will still be sent. I think this is a stretch and leave it = out. >=20 > It seems that the list of alarms itself may be potentially sensitive, = in > that it potentially gives an attacker an authoritative picture of the > (broken) state of the network. Ok, added the following: The list of alarms itself may be potentially sensitive from a security perspective, in that it potentially gives an attacker an authoritative picture of the (broken) state of the network. >=20 > Appendix F.1 >=20 > nit: We say that X.733 alarms "also use the basic criteria of = deviation from > normal condition", but it's not entirely clear whether the "also" > indicates that they share this behavior with some external reference > point or is a synonym for "additionally=E2=80=9D. OLD: It also use the basic criteria of deviation from normal condition NEW: X.733 defines an alarm as a deviation from normal condition, but without the requirement that it requires corrective actions. >=20 > nit: I think the semicolon in the ISA "comment" should be a regular > colon. Fixed >=20 > The paragraph at the end talks about "evolution" and "moves from" -- = is > the table sorted chronologically? Mostly, also sorted to show exactly that. I think the phrase is ok > Appendix G >=20 > Are tables 4 and 5 talking about alarm rates or notification rates? These are usability requirements and therefore the alarm rate rather = than the notification rates. This is also an effect of this module, not focusing on a list of = notifications but alarm states as a result of notifications. >=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Apr 9 05:13:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F3C1207AF for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 05:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IiAEu9QN-7l9 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 05:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com (mail-lj1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3A3F1207BE for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 05:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id l7so14223648ljg.6 for ; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 05:13:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=6XCoLFH2XR8d2AvkU84zG++X2UXMB/x6aNdhPcosSKs=; b=buEFXCyQ0KWW9jdVs3OyDG12yxH9qUGt8ZJLweo/ubz0L3zecV2iBoaEve31jjwpcp 9iqkvHr6GGCllUErJQk0Z078DmaU5F3a7kB+f0V4AADwMnYLHB2+c9J2d+ZXrgvqEsX+ kqgHPYmb+VeWJYQbRxI99+tUYtJVkKvRXCAf//9Gjl+cxB1gpVSC1zY8o21Ua6HDNfE/ y03kYuf/qSOjjq4Nj0rjv3O6NeouG1/dcXga/XL34yQUXRdq11EVKeQIrU8yiM16JtBc OjX+oiS+SSXXTf71h7ZbJtbw7znc9VL8kM6EOUgBwqq3HSpTz8DGr26L+IJadqi7ZB2S am1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=6XCoLFH2XR8d2AvkU84zG++X2UXMB/x6aNdhPcosSKs=; b=JMXP0Am80hGz5UCCETooYOJoqvtSnZuYkMmNHTZuEVgdgvxPu5feDT6nR4gSq/i83g dTytZUrl2pEWCWhoOmldARUH9UQ4A78C9+I1enVuOdb3IM3mfe2xCu3NlucfidBz+/by SC/LaPESdjjw+t6bIiCEZNnRomgTiH0TmAIueCn+t+5jgbp2ZYaGB9943cZ6haCQbqJQ wi0GxT613sTNNykaCNzHM4HbPyZjY34t1WqAAbhW0hPcL2Ue3Xx6Z9/uprTjz8OzmimD WPKmX0zBTljwAuHgZ4AMdTg7d4C6OwpDJvAfgXmUqy6rOiMw9n1kT1WEohrYV2t5LbQs 5Qaw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWQdi8p/RUObAnhU9yLvvQXVTVHAz1appZNJMivyXxYBQcEROd/ EQARu88F03RbIEkX2Rftrdpugg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzMLMZeH2oqgSJws/zJQwpiygCygQW/8WzZazNAxaEhqTjREU2HrIiB8JSmbph/lAZKpNjJlQ== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8192:: with SMTP id e18mr19243552ljg.6.1554812003061; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 05:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.150] ([195.234.15.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q5sm6484575lfm.16.2019.04.09.05.13.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Apr 2019 05:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: stefan vallin In-Reply-To: <155478227009.30139.11150463406640678841.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:13:17 +0200 Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9DDB5F58-FBA0-4D5C-A79B-F3073B36EBEE@wallan.se> References: <155478227009.30139.11150463406640678841.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Barry Leiba X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 12:13:27 -0000 Hi Barry! Thanks for your review! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > =E2=80=94 Section 3.2 =E2=80=94 >=20 > A nit: > For example, a system with digital inputs that allows users to > connects detectors (e.g., smoke detector) to the inputs. >=20 > This is a sentence fragment ans also has a number error in = =E2=80=9Cconnects=E2=80=9D. >=20 > NEW > An example is a system with digital inputs that allows users to = connect > detectors, such as smoke detectors, to the inputs. END >=20 >=20 Good comment! 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Thanks for your review See inline br Stefan and Martin >=20 > I support Roman's DISCUSS, especially #2. See our response to Roman >=20 > Also, please see the OpsDir review here -- I believe that you have = already > discussed it with the reviewer (Thank you, Joe Clarke!), but wanted to = make > sure that you also catch the nits. Yes, these are cateched >=20 > Like Joe, and others, I find the term "Alarm Shelving" to be confusing = - it > may be a formal term of art, but I've working in / with many NOCs, and = have > never heard the term used; if anything the terminology I'm familiar = with "Shut > up stupid alarm! I'll suppress it for now....". Shelving evokes = memories of > = https://pics.me.me/10-ill-just-put-this-over-here-with-the-rest-32772452.p= ng I > would suggest introducing the term earlier, and more fully describing = it as a > courtesy to other readers. This has been a topic in the CCAMP group as well, but we stick to it. It is an established term in alarm standards and alarm systems in the = process industry. See for example the ISA 18.2 standard. Agree that it is not that = well-known within IP and Telco but there is a point in bringing in this concept since it is not just = filtering. As a reviewer said, aha it is "stashing" >=20 > "X.733 and especially 3GPP were not really clear on this point." - = this sounds > (unncessarily) rude - I would suggest perhaps "The X.733 and 3GPP = Alarm IRP > documents are not really clear =E2=80=A6" Good comment. Changed >=20 > Nits: > "For example, a system with digital inputs that allows users to = connects > detectors" s/connects/connect/ I would also think that a better term = is > =E2=80=9Csensors" Corrected s/connects/connect/ I can see your point on sensors, but will keep detector=E2=80=A6. >=20 > "A potential drawback of this is that there is a big risk that alarm = operators > will receive alarm types as a surprise, ..." "big" reads oddly - I = would > suggest "significant" instead. Good point, changed >=20 > "Alarm deletion (using the action "purge-alarms"), can use this state = as a > criterion." - superfluous comma. >=20 Fixed >=20 From nobody Tue Apr 9 06:24:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AB91207EE for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 06:24:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eO_70y4MmFzO for ; 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Tue, 9 Apr 2019 13:24:02 +0000 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 Thread-Index: AdTu1xCptF7cFW6gRC6amiMqIfHnAA== Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 13:24:01 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; x-originating-ip: [93.57.48.226] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 569008c4-9221-4c4f-ee7a-08d6bceea1aa x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(4652040)(8989299)(4534185)(4627221)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(8990200)(5600139)(711020)(4605104)(2017052603328)(49563074)(7193020); SRVR:VI1PR07MB5104; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: VI1PR07MB5104: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-forefront-prvs: 000227DA0C x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(979002)(366004)(39860400002)(376002)(346002)(136003)(396003)(199004)(189003)(6116002)(52536014)(74316002)(236005)(229853002)(256004)(99936001)(3846002)(71190400001)(316002)(561944003)(478600001)(6246003)(106356001)(71200400001)(99286004)(53936002)(105586002)(7736002)(5660300002)(790700001)(33656002)(9686003)(54896002)(6306002)(55016002)(25786009)(44832011)(2906002)(66066001)(6916009)(8676002)(81166006)(8936002)(6436002)(81156014)(14454004)(7696005)(97736004)(476003)(53546011)(86362001)(68736007)(6506007)(26005)(102836004)(186003)(486006)(969003)(989001)(999001)(1009001)(1019001); 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The full = list of authors can be listed in the body. =20 Thanks Daniele & Fatai =20 -------------- From: CCAMP < = ccamp-bounces@ietf.org>; on behalf of Daniele Ceccarelli < = = daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; Date: Monday, 1 April 2019 at 15:45 To: "CCAMP ( ccamp@ietf.org)"; < = ccamp@ietf.org>; Subject: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 =20 =20 Working group, =20 =20 =20 This is the first time we manage to have all the IPR declarations from = so many authors in so little time=E2=80=A6good progresses =F0=9F=98=8A =20 Hence we can start a one week poll on making = draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 a CCAMP working = group document. =20 Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not = support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not = support" and nice to have for the "support". =20 =20 =20 The polling will end on Monday April 8th .. =20 =20 =20 Thanks, =20 Daniele & Fatai =20 (Please note that we=E2=80=99re running a single week polling instead of = the classical 2 weeks as we would like to include the draft, if adopted, = in a liaison to ITU-T SG15) =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_01DB_01D4EEE8.4173ABB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
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Authors, =
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draft-ietf-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-00 changing only date =
and title.
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soon expect a -01 proposal addressing the comments received on the list =
and with some text to be used as the basis for a liaison to =
ITU-T.
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-01 please also fix the classical =E2=80=9Cnumber of authors on front =
page issue=E2=80=9D. The maximum allowed number is 5. The full list of =
authors can be listed in the body.
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Daniele =
& Fatai
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From: CCAMP =
<ccamp-bounces@ietf.org>; on behalf =
of Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>;=

Date: =
Monday, 1 April 2019 at 15:45
To: =
"CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)"; =
<ccamp@ietf.org>;=

Subject: =
[CCAMP] WG adoption poll on =
draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01
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Working =
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can start a one week poll on making=C2=A0 =
draft-lee-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-01 a CCAMP working =
group document.
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Please send =
email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not =
support" and a motivation for=C2=A0 your reply, mandatory for the =
"not support" and nice to have for the =
"support".
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will end on Monday April 8th ..
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Daniele =
& Fatai
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(Please =
note that we=E2=80=99re running a single week polling instead of the =
classical 2 weeks as we would like to include the draft, if adopted, in =
a liaison to ITU-T SG15)
 
 
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If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele ------=_NextPart_001_02B2_01D4EEF3.2EDAECB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi authors, = WG,

 

This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll = of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

 

Are you aware of any IPR that = applies to draft identified above?

 

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details)?

If yes to the above, please state = either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant = IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S = TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as = an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the = IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty= .

 

 

Thanks

 

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ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF50B12085A for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 07:58:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZcpZS_nIdelA for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 07:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3AB812086D for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 07:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id B6EA85E11C57C5879340; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 15:58:16 +0100 (IST) Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.38) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 15:58:16 +0100 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.136]) by SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.174]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 07:58:05 -0700 From: "Aihuaguo (Aihua Guo, CRC)" To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "zhengyl@dimpt.com" , "liuzhe (E)" , "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com)" , "yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com" , "Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept)" , Italo Busi , "antons@sedonasys.com" , "xuyunbin@ritt.cn" , "Francesco Lazzeri" , "zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com" , "xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com" , Giuseppe Fioccola CC: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 Thread-Index: AdTu33xMcgcVr0o5R6imO8nbg5jq8QABJI5A Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:58:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.124.92.166] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_AEF103518CA8F84D97E39F644BC803CB28AC2F40sjceml521mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 14:58:25 -0000 --_000_AEF103518CA8F84D97E39F644BC803CB28AC2F40sjceml521mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Regards, Aihua (as co-author) From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:42 AM To: zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe (E) ; BELOTTI, SERGIO (= SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) ; yingxi.yao@n= okia-sbell.com; Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dep= t) ; Aihuaguo (Aihua Guo, CRC) ; Italo Busi ; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt= .cn; Francesco Lazzeri ; zhaoyangyjy@chinam= obile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; Giuseppe Fioccola Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 Hi authors, WG, This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of draft-zheng-= ccamp-client-signal-yang-07. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele --_000_AEF103518CA8F84D97E39F644BC803CB28AC2F40sjceml521mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No, I'm not aware of any IPR th= at applies to this draft.

 

Regards,

Aihua (as co-author)

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 10:42 AM
To: zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe (E) <liuzhe123@huawei.com>; BELO= TTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) <sergio.belotti@nokia.co= m>; yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com; Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Tech= nology Research Dept) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; Aihuaguo (Aihua Guo, CRC) <aihuaguo@huawei.com>; Italo Busi <Ital= o.Busi@huawei.com>; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; Francesco La= zzeri <francesco.lazzeri@ericsson.com>; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; = xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.c= om>
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07=

 

Hi authors, WG,

 

This IPR polling is in preparat= ion for the WG adoption poll of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

 

Are you aware of any IPR that a= pplies to draft identified above?

 

Please state either:=

"No, I'm not aware of any = IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR tha= t applies to this draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details)?

If yes to the above, please sta= te either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been dis= closed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provid= e any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YO= U LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG emai= l list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of you= r obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the I= ETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribut= ion or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, pl= ease see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele<= /span>

 

 

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Thanks Sergio From: Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 4:42 PM To: zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe123@huawei.com; Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vi= mercate) ; Yao, Yingxi (NSB - CN/Chengdu) ; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) ; aihuaguo@huawei.com; Italo Busi ; anto= ns@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; Francesco Lazzeri ; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; giusep= pe.fioccola@huawei.com Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 Hi authors, WG, This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of draft-zheng-= ccamp-client-signal-yang-07. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele --_000_AM0PR07MB5921A9BBE27D683AEC77D270912D0AM0PR07MB5921eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft"

 

Thanks

Sergio

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarel= li@ericsson.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 4:42 PM
To: zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe123@huawei.com; Belotti, Sergio (Nokia = - IT/Vimercate) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>; Yao, Yingxi (NSB - CN/Che= ngdu) <yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com>; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei= .com) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; aihuaguo@huawei.com; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@r= itt.cn; Francesco Lazzeri <francesco.lazzeri@ericsson.com>; zhaoyangy= jy@chinamobile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com=
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07=

 

Hi authors, WG,

 

This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adopti= on poll of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

 

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft ident= ified above?

 

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dra= ft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:=

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"<= /o:p>

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional deta= ils you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contri= butor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whe= ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESS= AGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not li= sted as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under t= he IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related= to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

 

 

 

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draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 17:37:40 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- As the genart review notes, when Section 3.2 says: When a node does not support the Availability TLV, the node SHOULD generate a PathErr message with the error code "Extended Class-Type Error" and the error value "Class-Type mismatch" (see [RFC2205]). is attempting to place a normative requirement on implementations that do not implement this specification, which cannot possibly work. The appropriate thing to do here is to say something like "as described in Section Y of [RFC XXXX], a node that does not support the Availability TLV will [behave in this fashion]", with no normative language. (Also, the RFC 2205 reference is not very helpful to me; as far as I can tell it is just providing information about how to encode a PathErr but does not tell me anything about the specific error code and value indicated.) I'll also hold a placeholder discuss point to wait for the [IEEE754] reference for the floating-point format. (I think that format is not a great fit for this application, for many of the reasons that Magnus notes, but RFC 8330 has kind of forced us into keeping it.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 1 If the bandwidth availability requirement is not specified in the signaling message, the bandwidth will be reserved as the highest bandwidth availability. [...] Is this the behavior mandated by RFC 3209/etc., or a new description in this document? Section 3.1 Type (2 octets): 0x04 I think this should really have been "0x04 (suggested; TBD by IANA)". The current text (both here and in Section 5.1) is very close to codepoint squatting. I have entered DISCUSS positions on documents in the past for codepoint squatting, but relucantly decline to do so here, since the IANA considerations do state that the indicated value is only a suggestion, and the registration procedure of Standards Action strongly limits the potential for a conflicting registration to be processing in parallel. When the Availability TLV is included, it MUST be present along with the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. If the bandwidth requirements in the multiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs have nit: this is the first time we talk about "the multiple" TLVs; should we give it a less-subtle introduction, like "If there are multiple bandwidth requirements present (in multiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs) and they have different [...]"? different Availability requirements, multiple Availability TLVs SHOULD be carried. In such a case, the Availability TLV has a one It's surprising to see this as a "SHOULD" (not "MUST")... to one correspondence with the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV by having the same value of Index field. If all the bandwidth requirements in the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile have the same Availability requirement, one Availability TLV SHOULD be carried. In this case, the Index field is set to 0. ... and this extra complication seems like it might be premature optimization. A strict one-to-one matching requirement is easy to implement and easy to verify; the logic needed for this is more complicated and prone to error. Section 3.2 When two LSPs request bandwidth with the same availability requirement, contention MUST be resolved by comparing the node IDs, with the LSP with the higher node ID being assigned the reservation. This is consistent with general contention resolution mechanism provided in section 3.2 of [RFC3473]. It seems to me that Section 4.2 of RFC 3471 may be a better reference than Section 3.2 of RFC 3473, since the latter does not actually say anything about the higher node ID winning. Section 3.2 When a node receives Availability TLVs which mixed of zero index and non-zero index, the message MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated. [...] How would such a message be processed if the MAY is ignored (i.e., the message is processed)? Perhaps this is better as a MUST? MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated. When a node receives several pairs, but there're are extra nit: s/there're are/there are/ bandwidth-TLVs without matching index Availability-TLV, the extra bandwidth-TLVs MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated. This is perhaps an interesting recommendation to make, since it means that implementations that support this document will ignore the bandwidth-TLVs but implementations that do not support this document will process them, leading to different behavior in terms of how many reservations are actually made. (And the "SHOULD NOT be propagated" makes things highly path-dependent and possibly exciting to debug.) Section 4 Thank you for removing the "does not introduce any new security considerations" text as requested by the secdir reviewer, and adding the "closed network" discussion. That said, I expected to see some discussion about how the mechanisms defined in this document impose consistency requirements between Bandwidth TLVs and the newly defined Availability TLVs that can increase the risk of reservation requests being rejected. There could also be some text about the edge cases where behavior will differ, for a given request, when some/all of the nodes on the path do/don't support this extension. Section 5.1 I'm not sure why we need to mention the registration procedure for the registry -- we're not creating the registry, just allocating a codepoint from it. IANA will check/follow the required procedure, but the reader of this document doesn't need to care. Section 7 Thank you for this example, which really helps to clarify that the total bandwidth is allocated into *non-overlapping* segments with different max-availability metrics. (That is, that even though there is 400 Mbps capacity in clear weather, we don't report 400 Mbps at 99.99% availability, since we need to use some of that capacity for the higher availability levels.) I a little bit wonder if this could be reiterated in prose earlier in the document, but don't have any concrete suggestions for how to do so. From nobody Tue Apr 9 12:14:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B8C1200B7; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <155483726628.19683.16168772559257646283.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 12:14:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 19:14:27 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Section 3.2. Nit. s/When a node receives Availability TLVs which mixed of zero index and non-zero index/ When a node receives Availability TLVs with both zero and non-zero indexes/ s/there’re are/there are/ (2) Section 4.0. Nit. s/Especially section 7.1.2 of [RFC5920] discuss/Section 7.1.2 of [RFC5902] discusses/ (3) Concur with secdir review/Magnus on the need to clarify the format of the availability field (is it IEEE754-2008?) If IEEE754 is used (as Ben/Ignas notes due to RFC8330), then the text should explicitly cite the constraints of the precision referenced by Magnus. From nobody Tue Apr 9 16:44:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657611204A8; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:44:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Warren Kumari via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Warren Kumari Message-ID: <155485344540.19678.965634240652575034.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 16:44:05 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 23:44:06 -0000 Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I must admit that I'm having a hard time understanding the utility of this, and how exactly systems are supposed to make a reasonable decision based upon the information -- I don't **really** care that the probability of the link being at 100Mbps is 99.995%, what I care about is what the available bandwidth is *now*. When my device has a 123Mbps flow, it needs to decide what to do with it -- I get that this document describes how the bandwidth probability can be transmitted, but how should my device use this information? I'm also confused by the table: Sub-bandwidth (Mbps) Availability ------------------ ------------ 200 99.99% 100 99.995% 100 99.999% Is there an error here? I also support the DISCUSS on the floating-point issue -- perhaps this could be much more simply encoded with a table and some bits? E.G: 25%, 50%, 75%, 80%, 90%, 91%, 92%.. 99%. If > 99%, then the remaining gets used to encode the "number of nines" availability (5 == 5 nines). 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Hi, Chairs, WG,

 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR th= at applies to this draft.

 

Best wishes,<= /p>

Haomian

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2019= =C4=EA4=D4= =C29=C8=D5 22:42
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe (E) <liuzhe123@huawei.com>; BELOTTI= , SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com&g= t;; yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com; Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; Aihuaguo (Aihua= Guo, CRC) <aihuaguo@huawei.com>; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.co= m>; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; Francesco Lazzeri <france= sco.lazzeri@ericsson.com>; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.= com>
=B3=AD=CB=CD: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07<= /span>

 

Hi authors, WG,

 

This IPR polling is in preparat= ion for the WG adoption poll of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

 

Are you aware of any IPR that a= pplies to draft identified above?

 

Please state either:=

"No, I'm not aware of any = IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR tha= t applies to this draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details)?

If yes to the above, please sta= te either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been dis= closed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provid= e any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YO= U LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG emai= l list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of you= r obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the I= ETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribut= ion or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, pl= ease see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele<= /span>

 

 

 

 

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From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniel= e.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]=0A
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Hi authors, WG,

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This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of draft= -zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

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Pleas= e state either:

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or

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If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

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If yes to the above, please state either:

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"Yes, = the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

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or

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If you answ= er no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you= are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by= responding to this email regardless of whether or not you=0A are aware of= any relevant IPR.

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NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU L= ISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

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Fatai & Daniele

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=0A ------=_001_NextPart542541080020_=------ From nobody Tue Apr 9 18:22:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD861200B2 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 18:22:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JS51z1Y2btXm for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 898CE12000F for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id AF110187EB28B68C2A73; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 02:22:48 +0100 (IST) Received: from LHREML504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([10.201.109.59]) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com ([10.201.108.48]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 02:22:43 +0100 From: Italo Busi To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "zhengyl@dimpt.com" , "liuzhe (E)" , "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com)" , "yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com" , "Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept)" , "Aihuaguo (Aihua Guo, CRC)" , "antons@sedonasys.com" , "xuyunbin@ritt.cn" , "Francesco Lazzeri" , "zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com" , "xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com" , Giuseppe Fioccola CC: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 Thread-Index: AdTu33xMcgcVr0o5R6imO8nbg5jq8QAXGHOg Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 01:22:42 +0000 Message-ID: <91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B27708551@lhreml504-mbs> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.45.54.94] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B27708551lhreml504mbs_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 01:22:53 -0000 --_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B27708551lhreml504mbs_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Italo From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: marted=EC 9 aprile 2019 22:42 To: zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe (E) ; BELOTTI, SERGIO (= SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) ; yingxi.yao@n= okia-sbell.com; Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dep= t) ; Aihuaguo (Aihua Guo, CRC) ; Italo Busi ; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt= .cn; Francesco Lazzeri ; zhaoyangyjy@chinam= obile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; Giuseppe Fioccola Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 Hi authors, WG, This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of draft-zheng-= ccamp-client-signal-yang-07. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele --_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B27708551lhreml504mbs_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this dr= aft

 

Italo

 

From:<= /span> Daniele Ceccarelli [m= ailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: marted=EC 9 aprile 2019 22:42
To: zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe (E) <liuzhe123@huawei.com>; BELO= TTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) <sergio.belotti@nokia.co= m>; yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com; Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Tech= nology Research Dept) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; Aihuaguo (Aihua Guo, CRC) <aihuaguo@huawei.com>; Italo Busi <Ital= o.Busi@huawei.com>; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; Francesco La= zzeri <francesco.lazzeri@ericsson.com>; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; = xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.c= om>
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07=

 

Hi authors, WG,

 

This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adopti= on poll of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

 

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft ident= ified above?

 

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dra= ft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:=

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"<= /o:p>

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional deta= ils you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contri= butor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whe= ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESS= AGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not li= sted as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under t= he IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related= to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

 

Thanks

 

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--_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B27708551lhreml504mbs_-- From nobody Tue Apr 9 19:30:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464681201AD; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:30:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LuQX1wuEts53; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FF561201AC; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id x3A2UMCA011520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 9 Apr 2019 22:30:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 21:30:22 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: stefan vallin Cc: The IESG , draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <20190410023022.GC18549@kduck.mit.edu> References: <155475628903.30058.8136578311950144931.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <41BF0E2E-DDDD-45B7-B1F5-BBDB00AA7BC4@wallan.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <41BF0E2E-DDDD-45B7-B1F5-BBDB00AA7BC4@wallan.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 02:30:34 -0000 On Tue, Apr 09, 2019 at 02:08:46PM +0200, stefan vallin wrote: > Hi Benjamin! > Thanks for your review! > See inline > > br Stefan and Martin > > > On 8 Apr 2019, at 22:44, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker wrote: > > > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: Discuss > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DISCUSS: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I think we may need to double-check that the example in Appendix C is > > fully compliant with the main spec. In particular, are the > > elments properly sorted? (I'm less sure whether the > > time needs to match a or whether the > > is good enough for that.) > > Thanks for catching this! The example was as intended but the description > clauses where wrong. Ah, I'm happy to be ableto help! These changes look good to bring the example and spec into line with the intended behavior. > list status-change { > description > OLD: > This list is ordered according to the timestamps of alarm > state changes. The last item corresponds to the latest > state change. > > NEW: > This list is ordered according to the timestamps of alarm > status changes. The first item corresponds to the latest > status change. > > Both and will update > > > leaf last-changed { > description > OLD: > "A timestamp when the alarm status was last changed. Status > changes are changes to 'is-cleared', 'perceived-severity', > and 'alarm-text'."; > > NEW: > "A timestamp when the 'status-change' or 'operator-state-change' list > was last changed."; > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Section 1.1 > > > > o Fault: A fault is the underlying cause of an undesired behaviour. > > There is no trivial one-to-one mapping between faults and alarms. > > One fault may result in several alarms in case the system lacks > > root-cause and correlation capabilities. An alarm might not have > > an underlying fault as a cause, imagine a bad MOS score alarm from > > a VOIP probe and the cause being non-optimal QoS configuration. > > > > nit: this is a comma splice > change to > An alarm might not have an underlying fault as a cause. For example, > imagine a bad Mean Opppinion Score (MOS) alarm from a Voice Over IP > (VOIP) probe and the cause being non-optimal QoS configuration. > > > > o Alarm Type: An alarm type identifies a possible unique alarm state > > for a resource. Alarm types are names to identify the state like > > "link-alarm", "jitter-violation", "high-disk-utilization". > > > > Are these only intended for human consumption? > No, these are YANG identities and intended for automation software as well I think my follow-up question was going to be whether there was value in a registry for them, to avoid proliferation of nearly-identical types from different vendors. (I honestly don't know.) > > > > o Cleared alarm: A cleared alarm is an alarm where the system/server > > considers the undesired state to be cleared. Operators can not > > clear alarms, clearance is managed by the system. A linkUp > > notification can be considered a clear condition for a linkDown > > state. > > > > nit: I'd suggest "For example, " before "a linkUp notification […]” > Ok, fixed > > > > > o Corrective Action: An action taken by an operator or automation > > routine in order to minimize the impact of the alarm or resolving > > the root cause. > > > > nit: "or resolve the root cause” > Ok, fixed > > > > Section 2 > > > > o Clear definition of "alarm" in order to exclude general events > > that should not be forwarded as alarm notifications. > > > > I'm not sure I am parsing this correctly. Is the objective to *provide* > > such a clear definition? (Similarly for the next item.) Part of my > > confusion probably stems from the dual use of the word "clear" as a verb > > and a noun in English. > Good comment, suggestion below: > OLD: > Clear definition of "alarm" in order to exclude general events > that should not be forwarded as alarm notifications. > NEW: > to provide a precise definition of "alarm" in order to exclude general events > that should not be forwarded as alarm notifications. Thanks! > > Section 3.2 > > > > In order to allow for dynamic addition of alarm types the alarm > > module allows for further qualification of the identity based alarm > > type using a string. A potential drawback of this is that there is a > > big risk that alarm operators will receive alarm types as a surprise, > > they do not know how to resolve the problem since a defined alarm > > procedure does not necessarily exist. [...] > > > > nit: this is a comma splice. > Correct, will change the comma to a period. > > > > > Section 3.5.1 > > > > From a resource perspective, an alarm can for example have the > > following life-cycle: raise, change severity, change severity, clear, > > > > Is the duplicate "change severity" intentional? > Yes. An alarm can toggle minor, major, minor for example Okay. > > For the alarm history functionality, a given 'time' leaf is clearly the > > time that a change occurred, but are the sibling leafs the state before > > that change or after that change? (It looks like the actual YANG module > > descriptions (e.g., for 'status-change') indicate that this is the state > > after that change, but I don't know if it makes sense to also mention > > that here or not.) > As described in the YANG module it is the state after that change > > > > Section 3.7 > > > > (blocked/filtered). Shelved alarms appear in a dedicated shelved > > alarm list in order not to disturb the relevant alarms. Shelved > > > > nit: this sentence could probably be reworded for greater clarity (what > > does "disturb" mean, and perhaps what "relevant alarms" is may not be > > clear just from context). > Good comment! > OLD: > (blocked/filtered). Shelved alarms appear in a dedicated shelved > alarm list in order not to disturb the relevant alarms. Shelved > NEW: > (blocked/filtered). Shelved alarms appear in a dedicated shelved > alarm list in order to be filtered out from the alarm-list. Shelved That helps, thanks. Perhaps "in order for the main alarm-list to only contain entries of interest" could be a further improvement? > > > > > > Section 4.1 > > > > The "/alarms/control/notify-status-changes" leaf controls if > > notifications are sent for all state changes, only raise and clear, > > or only notifications more severe than a configured level. This > > feature in combination with alarm shelving corresponds to the ITU > > Alarm Report Control functionality. > > > > Is there a specific section reference for the ITU functionality? (If > > not, it's probably fine to leave this as-is). > Good comment, changed to: > This feature in combination with alarm shelving corresponds to the ITU > Alarm Report Control functionality, see Appendix F.2.4. > > > > > Section 4.2 > > > > The system might not instrument all defined alarm type identities, > > and some alarm identities are abstract. > > > > I just wanted to double-check: the intent is indeed to use "instrument" > > here (as opposed to, say, "implement”)? > > It was intentional but changed to "implement" (No need to change it just on my account; I can see that "instrument" has a valid meaning if that's the intent.) > > Section 4.7 > > > > /alarms/alarm-list/purge-alarms: Delete alarms from the "alarm-list" > > according to specific criteria, for example all cleared alarms > > older than a specific date. > > > > /alarms/alarm-list/compress-alarms: Compress the "status-change" > > list for the alarms. > > > > It's a bit confusing to me to have such different language for these two > > action nodes, since as far as I can tell the compress-alarms action also > > allows for specific criteria (e.g., resources) to be provided to limit > > the scope of the action. (Similarly for compress-shelved-alarms.) > Ok, I do not think we will consider changing the action names at this point Sorry, I did not mean the name of the YANG leafs, but rather the text about "according to specific criteria". > > > > Section 6 > > > > feature service-impact-analysis { > > description > > "The system supports identifying candidate impacted > > resources for an alarm, for example a link being impacted > > by an interface alarm."; > > > > nit: it feels a bit odd to say that the link is "impacted by an alarm", > > since normally the causality flow would be the other way -- the link > > state changes, and then an alarm stat changes. > OLD: > "The system supports identifying candidate impacted > resources for an alarm, for example a link being impacted > by an interface alarm."; > NEW: > "The system supports identifying candidate impacted > resources for an alarm. For example, an interface state change > resulting in a link alarm which can refer to a link as being impacted."; > > > > I'm not sure I understand the distinction between 'warning' and 'minor' > > severities -- it seems that neither is supposed to be indicating a > > service-affecting fault. > > Can agree the difference is subtle and even unclear. However these are > the original definitions from X.733 and they are being used in the industry. > * for minor there is a fault: (indicates the existence of a non-service affecting fault) > * for warning there might be one coming up: (detection of a potential or impending) Okay; I am happy to concede that I'm not an expert here :) > > > > For the 'age-spec' choice, am I reading RFC 7950 correctly that I choose > > exactly one case of the choice, so I can't have both a "minute part" > > and an "hours part"? If so, then I would suggest using different > > description text for the choices, since the current text implies that > > you can combine parts with different units to assemble a compound > > timespec. > > Good comment: > OLD: > Seconds part. > > NEW: > Age expressed in seconds. > > And the same change for the other cases Thanks > > > > > list alarm { > > [...] > > Entries appear in the alarm list the first time an alarm > > becomes active for a given alarm-type and resource. > > Entries do not get deleted when the alarm is cleared, this > > is a boolean state in the alarm. > > > > nit: this is a comma splice. > OLD: > Entries appear in the alarm list the first time an alarm > becomes active for a given alarm-type and resource. > Entries do not get deleted when the alarm is cleared, this > is a boolean state in the alarm. > NEW: > Entries appear in the alarm list the first time an alarm > becomes active for a given alarm-type and resource. > Entries do not get deleted when the alarm is cleared. > Clear status is represented as a boolean flag. > > > > > > > Section 10 > > > > It's a bit of a stretch as far as an attack, but an attacker that can > > temporarily reduce max-alarm-status-changes to a small value (e.g., one) > > could use that to hide their tracks to some extent if they can cause the > > alarm to clear after they've done what they intended to do. (They could > > then restore the max-alarm-status-changes value, too.) > Notifications will still be sent. I think this is a stretch and leave it out. Good point about notifications, thanks. > > It seems that the list of alarms itself may be potentially sensitive, in > > that it potentially gives an attacker an authoritative picture of the > > (broken) state of the network. > > Ok, added the following: > > The list of alarms itself may be potentially sensitive from a > security perspective, in that it potentially gives an attacker > an authoritative picture of the (broken) state of the network. > > > > > > > Appendix F.1 > > > > nit: We say that X.733 alarms "also use the basic criteria of deviation from > > normal condition", but it's not entirely clear whether the "also" > > indicates that they share this behavior with some external reference > > point or is a synonym for "additionally”. > > OLD: > It also use the basic criteria of deviation from > normal condition > NEW: > X.733 defines an alarm as a deviation from > normal condition, but without the requirement > that it requires corrective actions. > > > > > nit: I think the semicolon in the ISA "comment" should be a regular > > colon. > Fixed > > > > The paragraph at the end talks about "evolution" and "moves from" -- is > > the table sorted chronologically? > > Mostly, also sorted to show exactly that. I think the phrase is ok The phrase is definitely fine -- I just didn't do the check for the publication dates of the various specs, but am happy to trust that they are sorted properly. > > Appendix G > > > > Are tables 4 and 5 talking about alarm rates or notification rates? > > These are usability requirements and therefore the alarm rate rather than the notification rates. > This is also an effect of this module, not focusing on a list of notifications but alarm states as a result of notifications. 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For example, >> imagine a bad Mean Opppinion Score (MOS) alarm from a Voice Over IP >> (VOIP) probe and the cause being non-optimal QoS configuration. >>>=20 >>> o Alarm Type: An alarm type identifies a possible unique alarm = state >>> for a resource. Alarm types are names to identify the state = like >>> "link-alarm", "jitter-violation", "high-disk-utilization". >>>=20 >>> Are these only intended for human consumption? >> No, these are YANG identities and intended for automation software as = well >=20 > I think my follow-up question was going to be whether there was value = in a > registry for them, to avoid proliferation of nearly-identical types = from > different vendors. (I honestly don't know.) Well the YANG modules are the =E2=80=9Cregistry=E2=80=9D, the important = thing here is that=20 identities are hierarchical, this will avoid the pollution problem. In = some previous alarm standards we have certainly had a registration/pollution = problem when alarm types where defined as flat enums (probable cause in X733 and = derivatives). See 3.2. Alarm Type br Stefan --Apple-Mail=_94196A41-C4CB-4D97-BC42-BC7FC6AE7FB0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Benjamin!

On 10 Apr 2019, at 04:30, Benjamin Kaduk = <kaduk@mit.edu> = wrote:

An = alarm might not have an underlying fault as a cause. For example,
imagine a bad Mean Opppinion Score (MOS) alarm from a Voice = Over IP
(VOIP) probe and the cause being non-optimal QoS = configuration.

 o  Alarm Type: An alarm type identifies a possible = unique alarm state
    for a resource. =  Alarm types are names to identify the state like
    "link-alarm", "jitter-violation", = "high-disk-utilization".

Are these only = intended for human consumption?
No, these are = YANG identities and intended for automation software as well

I think my follow-up question was going to be whether there = was value in a
registry for them, to avoid proliferation of nearly-identical = types from
different = vendors.  (I honestly don't = know.)

Well the = YANG modules are the =E2=80=9Cregistry=E2=80=9D, the important thing = here is that 
identities are hierarchical, this will = avoid the pollution problem. In some
previous alarm standards = we have certainly had a registration/pollution problem
when = alarm types where defined as flat enums (probable cause in X733 and = derivatives).

See 3.2. =  Alarm Type

br Stefan

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I was expecting = text roughly on the order of "if the management application gets an = alarm of an unknown type it MUST discard it." So your question is how a client shall deal with a bug/non compliant = implementation. (Violating the MUST). I do not think discarding the alarm is the proper behaviour. Assume an admin adds a new detector/sensor and configures it as an alarm = detector. But there is a bug so that it is not added to the alarm inventory. When there is a fire, we would get an alarm like: dev:detectors/dev:detector[id=3D17], ]xyz-al:environmental-alarm, = =E2=80=9Csmoke=E2=80=9D According to the alarm definition, =E2=80=9Cundesired state that = requires action=E2=80=9D, it should be handled by the client application We certainly want the operators to do some fire fighting. Discarding the = alarm would not be a good decision. Alarm applications normally has a link to a wiki page or something with = a written instruction how to handle the alarm, or a link to an automatic action. In this case this would be void. The = application should high-light that it is missing in the inventory. But this is an application design issue. And ignoring it is not = recommended. Also consider the =E2=80=9Csimplest=E2=80=9D alarm client, that just = shows the alarm list, it would show the alarm although it is missing in = the inventory br Stefan --Apple-Mail=_D4A5EC72-8CE1-49B4-A1F6-61C54369A166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Roman!

On 9 Apr 2019, at 18:18, Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> = wrote:

This = is the reason for the
MUST in the text; a device MUST list = all alarm types in the inventory so that a
management = application knows about it.

What if the device is = misconfigured/rogue and doesn't implement the MUST (i.e., doesn't put = all of the alarm types in the inventory; returns a different alarm type = than requested by the server)?  I was expecting text roughly on the = order of "if the management application gets an alarm of an unknown type = it MUST discard it."

So your question is how a client shall deal = with a bug/non compliant implementation. (Violating the MUST).

I do not think = discarding the alarm is the proper behaviour.
Assume an = admin adds a new detector/sensor and configures it as an alarm = detector.
But there is a bug so that it is not added to = the alarm inventory.

When there is a fire, = we would get an alarm  like:

dev:detectors/dev:detector[id=3D17], = ]xyz-al:environmental-alarm, =E2=80=9Csmoke=E2=80=9D

According to the alarm definition, =E2=80=9Cundesired state = that requires action=E2=80=9D, it should be handled by the client = application
We certainly want the operators to do some = fire fighting. Discarding the alarm would not be a good decision.
Alarm applications normally has a link to a wiki page or = something with a written instruction how to handle the alarm, or
a link to an automatic action. In this case this would be = void. The application should high-light that it is missing in the = inventory.
But this is an application design issue. And = ignoring it is not recommended.

Also consider the =E2=80=9Csimplest=E2=80= =9D alarm client, that just shows the alarm list, it would show the = alarm although it is missing in the inventory

br Stefan



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Daniele From: Anton Snitser Sent: den 9 april 2019 16:53 To: zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe123@huawei.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) ; yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) ; aihuaguo@huawei.com; Italo Busi ; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; Francesco Lazzeri ; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com; Daniele Ceccarelli Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: Re: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 Hello Daniele et al, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Thanks, Best regards & a fine day! From: Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 17:42 Subject: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 To: zhengyl@dimpt.com , liuzhe123@huawei.com , BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com ), yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com , Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com ), aihuaguo@huawei.com , Italo Busi, Anton Snitser, xuyunbin@ritt.cn , Francesco Lazzeri, zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com , xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com , giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org ) Hi authors, WG, This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? 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Resending to the = list.

 

Daniele  =

 

From: Anton Snitser = <antons@sedonasys.com>
Sent: den 9 april 2019 = 16:53
To: zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe123@huawei.com; BELOTTI, = SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) = <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>; yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com; = Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; = aihuaguo@huawei.com; Italo Busi <italo.busi@huawei.com>; = xuyunbin@ritt.cn; Francesco Lazzeri = <francesco.lazzeri@ericsson.com>; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; = xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com; Daniele = Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Cc: CCAMP = (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IPR = polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07

=

 

Hello Daniele et = al,

 

No, I'm not aware = of any IPR that applies to this draft

Thanks,

Best regards & = a fine day!

From: Daniele = Ceccarelli

Sent: Tuesday, = April 9, 17:42

Subject: IPR = polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07

Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)

Hi authors, = WG,

 

This IPR polling is = in preparation for the WG adoption poll of = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

=

 

Are you aware of = any IPR that applies to draft identified = above?

 

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not = aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

or=

"Yes, I'm = aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has this IPR = been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, = 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the = above, please state either:

 

"Yes, the IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR = rules"

or=

"No, the IPR = has not been disclosed"

 

If you answer no, = please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are = listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by = responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of = any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES = TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO = LINES.

 

If you are on the = CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we = remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages = you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF = contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please = see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty= .

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & = Daniele

 

 

 

 

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VI1PR07MB5405 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] IETF 104 minutes X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:34:57 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01D4EF91.67259680 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0053_01D4EF91.67259680" ------=_NextPart_001_0053_01D4EF91.67259680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi WG, IETF 104 Minutes uploaded: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-104-ccamp/ Thanks a lot to Oscar and Haomian! 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Hi WG,

 

IETF 104 Minutes uploaded: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-104-ccamp/

 

Thanks a lot to Oscar and Haomian!

 

Daniele 

 

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"yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com" , "Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com)" , "aihuaguo@huawei.com" , Italo Busi , "antons@sedonasys.com" , "xuyunbin@ritt.cn" , Francesco Lazzeri , "zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com" , "giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com" , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009d08f605862c70cc" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:45:14 -0000 --0000000000009d08f605862c70cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Thanks, - Xufeng On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 10:42 AM Daniele Ceccarelli < daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi authors, WG, > > > > This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of > draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07. > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > you are aware of any relevant IPR. > > > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules > which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others > on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any > contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Fatai & Daniele > > > > > > > > > --0000000000009d08f605862c70cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, I'm not aware of any IPR= that applies to this draft.

Thanks,
- Xufeng

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 10:42 AM Daniele Cecc= arelli <daniele.cecca= relli@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi authors, WG,=

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P= lease state either:

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If so, has this IP= R been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 36= 69 and 5378 for more details)?

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or

"No, the IPR has no= t been disclosed"

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If you answer no, please provide any additional details you= think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor p= lease answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or= not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

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NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN= THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

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If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not li= sted as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under t= he IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating = in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more= information, please see the RFCs listed above and = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

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Hi Benjamin,

Thanks for the comments. Please see reply inline below.
Thanks.

BR,
Amy
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As the genart review notes, when Section 3.2 says:

When a node does not support the Availability TLV, the node SHOULD
generate a PathErr message with the error code "Extended Class-Type Error" and the error value "Class-Type mismatch" (see [RFC22= 05]).

is attempting to place a normative requirement on implementations that
do not implement this specification, which cannot possibly work.
The appropriate thing to do here is to say something like "as describe= d
in Section Y of [RFC XXXX], a node that does not support the
Availability TLV will [behave in this fashion]", with no normative
language. (Also, the RFC 2205 reference is not very helpful to me; as
far as I can tell it is just providing information about how to encode a PathErr but does not tell me anything about the specific error code and
value indicated.)

[Amy]
Serveral comments were received about the normative requirement here.
How about the following text:
When a node does not support the Availability TLV, the node should send a P= athErr
message with Error Code "Unknown Attributes TLV[RFC 5420]".

Thanks for point it out, the "error code "Extended Class-Type Err= or" and the error value "Class-Type mismatch" (see [RFC2205]= )", the text is referenced from RFC6003.
After double check, they are not defined in the RFC2205, neither in some ot= her RFC.
Unknown Attributes TLV from RFC 5420 should be better here.

I'll also hold a placeholder discuss point to wait for the [IEEE754]
reference for the floating-point format. (I think that format is not a
great fit for this application, for many of the reasons that Magnus
notes, but RFC 8330 has kind of forced us into keeping it.)

[Amy] Yes, it's better to use the floating-point format in order to align w= ith RFC8330.
IEEE754 will be added as a reference.

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Section 1

If the bandwidth availability requirement is not specified in the
signaling message, the bandwidth will be reserved as the highest
bandwidth availability. [...]

Is this the behavior mandated by RFC 3209/etc., or a new description in
this document?
[Amy] Good point. How about change the text to:  
the bandwidth may be reserved as

Section 3.1

Type (2 octets): 0x04

I think this should really have been "0x04 (suggested; TBD by IANA)&qu= ot;.
The current text (both here and in Section 5.1) is very close to
codepoint squatting. I have entered DISCUSS positions on documents in
the past for codepoint squatting, but relucantly decline to do so here,
since the IANA considerations do state that the indicated value is only
a suggestion, and the registration procedure of Standards Action
strongly limits the potential for a conflicting registration to be
processing in parallel.
[Amy] will change as suggested.

When the Availability TLV is included, it MUST be present along
with the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. If the bandwidth
requirements in the multiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs have

nit: this is the first time we talk about "the multiple" TLVs; sh= ould we
give it a less-subtle introduction, like "If there are multiple
bandwidth requirements present (in multiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile
TLVs) and they have different [...]"?
[Amy] will change as suggested.

different Availability requirements, multiple Availability TLVs
SHOULD be carried. In such a case, the Availability TLV has a one

It's surprising to see this as a "SHOULD" (not "MUST").= ..
[Amy] will change to "MUST".

to one correspondence with the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV by
having the same value of Index field. If all the bandwidth
requirements in the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile have the same
Availability requirement, one Availability TLV SHOULD be carried.
In this case, the Index field is set to 0.

... and this extra complication seems like it might be premature
optimization. A strict one-to-one matching requirement is easy to
implement and easy to verify; the logic needed for this is more
complicated and prone to error.
[Amy] I think just one additional step.
First to judge if the index is 0, if yes, then apply the only availabi= lity value to all the bandwidth request; 
if not, apply the availability v= alues to each the bandwidth request.
A strict one-to-one matching surely i= s also possible. I don't have strong opinion here. 

Section 3.2

When two LSPs request bandwidth with the same availability
requirement, contention MUST be resolved by comparing the node IDs,
with the LSP with the higher node ID being assigned the reservation.
This is consistent with general contention resolution mechanism
provided in section 3.2 of [RFC3473].

It seems to me that Section 4.2 of RFC 3471 may be a better reference
than Section 3.2 of RFC 3473, since the latter does not actually say
anything about the higher node ID winning.
[Amy] Thanks, will use RFC 3471 instead. 

Section 3.2

When a node receives Availability TLVs which mixed of zero index and
non-zero index, the message MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be
propagated. [...]

How would such a message be processed if the MAY is ignored (i.e., the
message is processed)? Perhaps this is better as a MUST?
[Amy] If strict one-to-one matching i= s applying, the error process should become simpler. 
I see the point now. 

MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated. When a node receives
several <bandwidth, availability> pairs, but there're are extra

nit: s/there're are/there are/
[Amy] will fix the nits.

bandwidth-TLVs without matching index Availability-TLV, the extra
bandwidth-TLVs MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated.

This is perhaps an interesting recommendation to make, since it means
that implementations that support this document will ignore the
bandwidth-TLVs but implementations that do not support this document
will process them, leading to different behavior in terms of how many
reservations are actually made. (And the "SHOULD NOT be propagated&quo= t;
makes things highly path-dependent and possibly exciting to debug.)
[Amy] How about change both to MUST/MUST NOT?

Section 4

Thank you for removing the "does not introduce any new security
considerations" text as requested by the secdir reviewer, and adding t= he
"closed network" discussion.

That said, I expected to see some discussion about how the mechanisms
defined in this document impose consistency requirements between
Bandwidth TLVs and the newly defined Availability TLVs that can increase the risk of reservation requests being rejected.

There could also be some text about the edge cases where behavior will
differ, for a given request, when some/all of the nodes on the path
do/don't support this extension.
[Amy] If some/all of the nodes on the= path do/don't support this ex= tension, 
it's still possible to set up the LSP= as long as there's enough bandwidth along
the path. It's just that the availabi= lity level of the reserved bandwidth is 
unknown along the path(or in some part of the path), which makes the 
mechnism less useful. 

Section 5.1

I'm not sure why we need to mention the registration procedure for the
registry -- we're not creating the registry, just allocating a
codepoint from it. IANA will check/follow the required procedure, but
the reader of this document doesn't need to care.
[Amy] Just follow the usual format in IANA section.

Section 7

Thank you for this example, which really helps to clarify that the total bandwidth is allocated into *non-overlapping* segments with different
max-availability metrics. (That is, that even though there is 400 Mbps
capacity in clear weather, we don't report 400 Mbps at 99.99%
availability, since we need to use some of that capacity for the higher
availability levels.) I a little bit wonder if this could be reiterated
in prose earlier in the document, but don't have any concrete
suggestions for how to do so.
[Amy]This is additional information to help understanding the availability better.
So it's as appendix.  


--_000_9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBDBEF1DGGEMM528MBXchi_-- From nobody Wed Apr 10 16:31:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C761120046; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 16:31:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnan via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Suresh Krishnan Message-ID: <155493910930.22716.11857866602240872600.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 16:31:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 23:31:49 -0000 Suresh Krishnan has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I support Ben's DISCUSS as well. * In addition, I could not find any reference to the Extended Class-Type Error and the error value Class-Type mismatch even in the IANA registry at https://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-parameters/rsvp-parameters.xhtml Is this something you are defining in this document? If so, an entry in the IANA consideration section is warranted. * Section 7 The table seems to be off. Shouldn't this be? 400 99.99% 200 99.995% 100 99.999% From nobody Wed Apr 10 17:01:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED6812006E; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 17:01:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Adam Roach via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Adam Roach Message-ID: <155494089064.22623.12226438782297988498.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 17:01:30 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 00:01:31 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for everyone's work on this document. §3.1: > Availability (4 octets): a 32-bit floating point number describes > the decimal value of availability requirement for this bandwidth > request. The value MUST be less than 1and is usually expressed in > the value of 0.99/0.999/0.9999/0.99999. "32-bit floating point number" is not sufficiently precise to specify the encoding of this field. Presumably, this is intended to use IEEE 754-2008 32-bit binary interchange format. Please specify this, and add a normative citation for IEEE 754-2008. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- §3.2: > When a node does not support the Availability TLV, the node SHOULD > generate a PathErr message with the error code "Extended Class-Type > Error" and the error value "Class-Type mismatch" (see [RFC2205]). Presumably, this "SHOULD" is a restatement of behavior defined in RFC 2205? (I presume this because there's no way for this specification to retroactively impose requirements on implementations that don't support it.) If so, please remove the RFC-2119 language (or include it only as a direct quote from the RFC that defines the requirement in the first place). From nobody Wed Apr 10 18:14:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C636120465 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 18:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ieg1Hf4QTiSH for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 18:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendg.mailex.chinaunicom.cn (sendg.mailex.chinaunicom.cn [210.53.66.230]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324E120125 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 18:14:02 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 0a000f34-f793b6d0000019a8-ff-5cae94d84f09 Received: from M10-HQ-MLCEN06.cnc.intra ( [10.249.212.36]) by sendg.mailex.chinaunicom.cn (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 42.70.06568.8D49EAC5; 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Hi a= uthors, WG,

 

This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG= adoption poll of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

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Please state either:

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Tha= nks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

 

 

 

=0A ------=_001_NextPart110457406257_=------ From nobody Wed Apr 10 19:10:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7907120003; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 19:10:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Adam Roach via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Adam Roach Message-ID: <155494862674.22530.7930636866065474567.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 19:10:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 02:10:27 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- §6: > If the type is given as an UUID or a string, it is interpreted > as a W3C regular expression, which matches a resource of type > 'yang:uuid' or 'string' if the given regular expression > matches the resource string. This needs a citation for what is meant by "W3C regular expression." I'm making a wild guess that this refers to the regular expressions defined for use with XSD? If so, the reference is presumably this document: https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ From nobody Thu Apr 11 01:14:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05361204ED; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 01:14:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Alexey Melnikov via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <155497048377.12789.13305027449937989152.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 01:14:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:14:48 -0000 Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for a well written document. I have a few easy to address comments. Other people already commented on the lack of reference for the float format. In the following text: When a node does not support the Availability TLV, the node SHOULD generate a PathErr message with the error code "Extended Class-Type Error" and the error value "Class-Type mismatch" (see [RFC2205]). When a node receives Availability TLVs which mixed of zero index and non-zero index, the message MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be What does “MAY ignore” mean here and what are the implications of not ignoring? I tend to think that this shoukd be MUST for interoperability, so either changing this to MUST or adding explanatory text for MAY would address my concern. propagated. When a node receives Availability TLVs (non-zero index) with no matching index value among the bandwidth-TLVs, the message MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated. When a node receives Same comment as above. several pairs, but there're are extra bandwidth-TLVs without matching index Availability-TLV, the extra bandwidth-TLVs MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated. From nobody Thu Apr 11 01:32:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75C712028C; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 01:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VFBZvYWTgRvP; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 01:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6298120288; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 01:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A61501AE0472; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:32:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:32:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20190411.103240.1959371547592571295.mbj@tail-f.com> To: adam@nostrum.com, noreply@ietf.org Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <155494862674.22530.7930636866065474567.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <155494862674.22530.7930636866065474567.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:32:43 -0000 Hi, Adam Roach via Datatracker wrote: > Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: Discuss > = > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all= > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > = > = > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.= html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > = > = > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ > = > = > = > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > = > =A76: > = > > If the type is given as an UUID or a string, it is interpre= ted > > as a W3C regular expression, which matches a resource of ty= pe > > 'yang:uuid' or 'string' if the given regular expression > > matches the resource string. > = > This needs a citation for what is meant by "W3C regular expression." = I'm making > a wild guess that this refers to the regular expressions defined for = use with > XSD? If so, the reference is presumably this document: > https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ You're right. I have added a reference. In RFC 7950 we reference http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028, so perhaps we should do that here as well (the idea is to use the same regexp as in YANG). But OTOH the regexp definition has not changed at all between XSD 1.0 and 1.1, so perhaps it doesn't matter. /martin From nobody Thu Apr 11 03:10:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCA9120299; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 03:10:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i1a4mn5_8Ofm; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 03:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B6181200F1; 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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_02BF_01D4F06A.B48CC130" ------=_NextPart_001_02BF_01D4F06A.B48CC130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resending to the list as it doesn=E2=80=99t show up on archive. =20 Daniele =20 =20 From: =E8=B5=B5=E9=98=B3=EF=BC=88=E7=A0=94=E7=A9=B6=E9=99=A2=EF=BC=89 = =20 Sent: den 10 april 2019 03:54 To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; = zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe123@huawei.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) = (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) ; = yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) = ; aihuaguo@huawei.com; Italo Busi = ; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; = Francesco Lazzeri ; = xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: Re: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 =20 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft =20 2019-04-10=20 _____ =20 Yang Zhao=20 _____ =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9ADaniele Ceccarelli = > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A2019-04-09 22:42 =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9AIPR polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A"zhengyl@dimpt.com = " >,"liuzhe123@huawei.com = " >,"BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) = (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) = = ","yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com","Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) = = ","aihuaguo@huawei.com","It= alo Busi" = >,"antons@sedonasys.com = " >,"xuyunbin@ritt.cn = " = >,"Francesco Lazzeri" >,"zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com = " >,"xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com = " >,"giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com = " > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9A"CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) = " =20 Hi authors, WG, =20 This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07. =20 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? =20 Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" =20 If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: =20 "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" =20 If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. =20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. =20 If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or = contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules = which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of = others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more = information, please see the RFCs listed above and = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. =20 =20 Thanks =20 Fatai & Daniele =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_02BF_01D4F06A.B48CC130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Daniele=C2=A0 =

 

From: =E8=B5=B5=E9=98=B3=EF=BC=88= =E7=A0=94=E7=A9=B6=E9=99=A2=EF=BC=89 <zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com> =
Sent: den 10 april 2019 03:54
To: Daniele = Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; zhengyl@dimpt.com; = liuzhe123@huawei.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) = (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>; = yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) = <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; aihuaguo@huawei.com; Italo Busi = <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; = Francesco Lazzeri <francesco.lazzeri@ericsson.com>; = xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com
Cc: = CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: IPR = polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07

=

 

No, I'm not aware of any = IPR that applies to this draft

 

2019-04-10

Yang Zhao

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6= =E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9ADaniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericss= on.com>

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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98= =EF=BC=9AIPR polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07

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=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81= =EF=BC=9A"CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)"= <ccamp@ietf.org>

 

Hi authors, = WG,

 

This IPR = polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

 

Are you aware = of any IPR that applies to draft identified = above?

 

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to = this draft"

or

"Yes, = I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has = this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs = 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the = above, please state either:

 

"Yes, = the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR = rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer = no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you = are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above = by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware = of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS = APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO = LINES.

 

If you are on = the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, = we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which = encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on = an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more = information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty= .

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & = Daniele

 

 

 

 

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No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

BR

Francesco

 

Hi author= s, WG,

 

This IPR = polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of draft-zheng-ccamp-cli= ent-signal-yang-07.

 

Are you a= ware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

 

Please st= ate either:

"No,= I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"

or=

"Yes= , I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

 

If so, ha= s this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979,= 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<= o:p>

If yes to= the above, please state either:

 

"Yes= , the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"=

or=

"No,= the IPR has not been disclosed"

 

If you an= swer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If yo= u are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by= responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THI= S APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you ar= e on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor= , we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourag= es you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating= in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For mor= e information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/t= rac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai &am= p; Daniele

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(Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-avail= ability/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I must admit that I'm having a hard time understanding the utility of > this, and > how exactly systems are supposed to make a reasonable decision based upon > the > information -- I don't **really** care that the probability of the link > being > at 100Mbps is 99.995%, what I care about is what the available bandwidth = is > *now*. When my device has a 123Mbps flow, it needs to decide what to do > with it > -- I get that this document describes how the bandwidth probability can b= e > transmitted, but how should my device use this information? > [Amy] The OSPF extension RFC8330 defines how the information is > distributed by OSPF. > This draft defines the signaling, how much bandwidth and corresponding > availability level a flow would like to have. > > I'm also confused by the table: > Sub-bandwidth (Mbps) Availability > ------------------ ------------ > 200 99.99% > 100 99.995% > 100 99.999% > > Is there an error here? > [Amy] The table will be modified as following: > 400 99.99% > 200 99.995% > 100 99.999% > > Cool, thanks. > I also support the DISCUSS on the floating-point issue -- perhaps this > could be > much more simply encoded with a table and some bits? E.G: 25%, 50%, 75%, > 80%, > 90%, 91%, 92%.. 99%. If > 99%, then the remaining gets used to encode the > "number of nines" availability (5 =3D=3D 5 nines). > [Amy] Since the OSPF extension RFC8330 use the floating-point number, her= e > we would like to continue using it. > Ah, ok, fair enough. Thanks, W > Reference to IEEE754 will be added. > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --000000000000ed9108058640eee6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 8:27 AM Yemi= n (Amy) <amy.yemin@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi = Warren,

Thanks for the comments, please see reply inline below.

BR,
Amy
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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Warren Kumari via Datatracker [noreply@ietf.org]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 7:= 44
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: The IESG
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-a= vailability@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; daniele.ceccarelli@erics= son.com; ccamp@ietf= .org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-rs= vp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT)

Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/s= tatement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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COMMENT:
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I must admit that I'm having a hard time understanding the utility of t= his, and
how exactly systems are supposed to make a reasonable decision based upon t= he
information -- I don't **really** care that the probability of the link= being
at 100Mbps is 99.995%, what I care about is what the available bandwidth is=
*now*. When my device has a 123Mbps flow, it needs to decide what to do wit= h it
-- I get that this document describes how the bandwidth probability can be<= br> transmitted, but how should my device use this information?
[Amy] The OSPF extension RFC8330 defines how the information is distributed= by OSPF.
This draft defines the signaling, how much bandwidth and corresponding avai= lability level a flow would like to have.

I'm also confused by the table:
Sub-bandwidth (Mbps)=C2=A0 =C2=A0Availability
=C2=A0 =C2=A0------------------=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0------------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0200=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 99.99%
=C2=A0 =C2=A0100=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 99.995%
=C2=A0 =C2=A0100=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 99.999%

Is there an error here?
[Amy] The table will be modified as following:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0400=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 99.99%
=C2=A0 =C2=A0200=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 99.995%
=C2=A0 =C2=A0100=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 99.999%


Cool, thanks.

=C2=A0
I also support the DISCUSS on the floating-point issue -- perhaps this coul= d be
much more simply encoded with a table and some bits? E.G: 25%, 50%, 75%, 80= %,
90%, 91%, 92%.. 99%. If > 99%, then the remaining gets used to encode th= e
"number of nines" availability (5 =3D=3D 5 nines).
[Amy] Since the OSPF extension RFC8330 use the floating-point number, here = we would like to continue using it.

Ah, ok,= fair enough.

Thanks,
W

=C2=A0
Reference to IEEE754 will be added.
=C2=A0
=

--
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a= bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your= pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid= weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf
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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Alarm Module Authors : Stefan Vallin Martin Bjorklund Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-09.txt Pages : 82 Date : 2019-04-11 Abstract: This document defines a YANG module for alarm management. It includes functions for alarm list management, alarm shelving and notifications to inform management systems. There are also operations to manage the operator state of an alarm and administrative alarm procedures. The module carefully maps to relevant alarm standards. 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ZW4NCj4gDQo= From nobody Thu Apr 11 08:33:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C401C120392; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:33:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id trbLWL-v9O8O; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D550120383; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B66671AE0498; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:23:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:23:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20190411.172341.1722743603137045578.mbj@tail-f.com> To: adam@nostrum.com Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <155494862674.22530.7930636866065474567.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <155494862674.22530.7930636866065474567.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:33:24 -0000 Hi, We have now posted draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-09. Please verify that this version addresses your DISUSS. /martin & stefan Adam Roach via Datatracker wrote: > Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: Discuss > = > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all= > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > = > = > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.= html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > = > = > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ > = > = > = > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > = > =A76: > = > > If the type is given as an UUID or a string, it is interpre= ted > > as a W3C regular expression, which matches a resource of ty= pe > > 'yang:uuid' or 'string' if the given regular expression > > matches the resource string. > = > This needs a citation for what is meant by "W3C regular expression." = I'm making > a wild guess that this refers to the regular expressions defined for = use with > XSD? If so, the reference is presumably this document: > https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ > = > = > = > = From nobody Thu Apr 11 08:43:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AC9120314; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:43:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: Cc: Deborah Brungard , jason.wolfe@bell.ca, Fatai Zhang , scott.mansfield@ericsson.com, Martin Vigoureux , Alvaro Retana , Daniele Ceccarelli , Common Control and Measurement Plane Discussion List , daviball@cisco.com, Raghu Ranganathan X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155499738070.26219.5267214875676354456.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:43:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] New Liaison Statement, "Reply to LS on Update on MEF 63 and Operator L1 Service Attributes" X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:43:01 -0000 Title: Reply to LS on Update on MEF 63 and Operator L1 Service Attributes Submission Date: 2019-04-11 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1640/ Please reply by 2019-05-31 From: Scott Mansfield To: liaisons@mef.net Cc: Deborah Brungard ,Fatai Zhang ,Martin Vigoureux ,Alvaro Retana ,Daniele Ceccarelli ,Common Control and Measurement Plane Discussion List ,Raghu Ranganathan ,jason.wolfe@bell.ca,daviball@cisco.com Response Contacts: scott.mansfield@ericsson.com Technical Contacts: scott.mansfield@ericsson.com Purpose: For action Referenced liaison: Update on MEF 63 and Operator L1 Service Attributes (https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1604/) Body: Thank you for informing us on the newly published MEF63 and providing information about other L1 Services related work in the MEF Forum. CCAMP would like to inform you that there is a working group document (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-l1csm-yang/) defining A YANG Data Model for L1 Connectivity Service Model (L1CSM). The data model presented in Section 3 is consistent with [MEF63]. The data model includes configuration and state data according to the new Network Management Datastore Architecture [RFC8342]. CCAMP is planning on issuing a last call for comments on the draft soon. If you are interested in following the discussion or commenting please use this email list: (https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp or if individuals are already subscribed ccamp@ietf.org). Comments and engagement are appreciated. Please keep IETF CCAMP informed on the new work described in your liaison and any other efforts concerning Service Models. The list of upcoming IETF meetings can be found on the IETF website at https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/upcoming/ Thank You, Daniele Ceccarelli (CCAMP Chair), Fatai Zhang (CCAMP Chair), and Scott Mansfield (IETF's MEF Liaison) Attachments: No document has been attached From nobody Thu Apr 11 08:53:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3B812041A; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:53:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.68 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.68 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hK1b2zfu95o; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2927F1203E6; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro.roach.at (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3BFrCQ4046262 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:53:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554997996; bh=QY1EVBUyVdXRAMJcKMNPyKB6m6oBwfY5cwsXyyvLblE=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=lVlZk5lHTOCISWDZRdyQ8LiUl3vFVokMBMRPkJ/zL8xWSDrbGbzm8JW60/+HFCEj9 bAuhtK1n1kZJBJ3W3laJZB3TddBVcXs8WrANY7Y5A/UrYsFcGeJejtj5xWMqKC8XNC 3EUDoCFmZ8rnmfukTPXCCOrglo1GqC3dz1FRKzRc= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be MacBook-Pro.roach.at To: Martin Bjorklund Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org References: <155494862674.22530.7930636866065474567.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20190411.172341.1722743603137045578.mbj@tail-f.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <1eb9649e-85ab-fcff-97d6-e25b4fca42c9@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:53:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190411.172341.1722743603137045578.mbj@tail-f.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:53:23 -0000 On 4/11/19 10:23 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > > We have now posted draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-09. Please verify > that this version addresses your DISUSS. > > > /martin & stefan Thanks for the rapid turn around on this. I'm not terribly familiar with the conventions for YANG module citations, but I would have expected to see this document in the "Normative References" section also. I'm clearing my DISCUSS, and leave it to you and your AD to do the right thing (especially since I'm not entirely sure what that thing is). /a From nobody Thu Apr 11 09:35:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D79012051F; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 09:35:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SoAwE1hnpLyA; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 09:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3C1120498; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 09:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (h-4-215.A165.priv.bahnhof.se [158.174.4.215]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 574C41AE0472; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:35:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20190411.183526.282250702967190343.mbj@tail-f.com> To: adam@nostrum.com Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <1eb9649e-85ab-fcff-97d6-e25b4fca42c9@nostrum.com> References: <155494862674.22530.7930636866065474567.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20190411.172341.1722743603137045578.mbj@tail-f.com> <1eb9649e-85ab-fcff-97d6-e25b4fca42c9@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:35:30 -0000 Hi, Adam Roach wrote: > On 4/11/19 10:23 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We have now posted draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-09. Please verify > > that this version addresses your DISUSS. > > > > > > /martin & stefan > > > Thanks for the rapid turn around on this. I'm not terribly familiar > with the conventions for YANG module citations, but I would have > expected to see this document in the "Normative References" section > also. It is there; the last entry in Normative References: [XSD-TYPES] Malhotra, A. and P. Biron, "XML Schema Part 2: Datatypes Second Edition", World Wide Web Consortium Recommendation REC-xmlschema-2-20041028, October 2004, . /martin From nobody Thu Apr 11 11:56:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C000D1203F9; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4wfy2-YehZ7Y; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D7241203B0; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id x3BItmRa018847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:55:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:55:48 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "Yemin (Amy)" Cc: The IESG , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" , Daniele Ceccarelli , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20190411185548.GO18549@kduck.mit.edu> References: <155483146038.19609.16574783756803725268.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBDBEF1@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBDBEF1@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:56:05 -0000 On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:40:06PM +0000, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > Hi Benjamin, > > Thanks for the comments. Please see reply inline below. > Thanks. > > BR, > Amy > ________________________________________ > 发件人: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker [noreply@ietf.org] > 发送时间: 2019年4月10日 1:37 > 收件人: The IESG > 抄送: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; ccamp@ietf.org > 主题: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > As the genart review notes, when Section 3.2 says: > > When a node does not support the Availability TLV, the node SHOULD > generate a PathErr message with the error code "Extended Class-Type > Error" and the error value "Class-Type mismatch" (see [RFC2205]). > > is attempting to place a normative requirement on implementations that > do not implement this specification, which cannot possibly work. > The appropriate thing to do here is to say something like "as described > in Section Y of [RFC XXXX], a node that does not support the > Availability TLV will [behave in this fashion]", with no normative > language. (Also, the RFC 2205 reference is not very helpful to me; as > far as I can tell it is just providing information about how to encode a > PathErr but does not tell me anything about the specific error code and > value indicated.) > > [Amy] > Serveral comments were received about the normative requirement here. > How about the following text: > When a node does not support the Availability TLV, the node should send a PathErr > message with Error Code "Unknown Attributes TLV[RFC 5420]". That's an improvement. Might I suggest: When a node does not support the Availability TLV, the node should send a PathErr message with Error Code "Unknown Attributes TLV", as specified in [RFC 5420]. > Thanks for point it out, the "error code "Extended Class-Type Error" and the error value "Class-Type mismatch" (see [RFC2205])", the text is referenced from RFC6003. > After double check, they are not defined in the RFC2205, neither in some other RFC. > Unknown Attributes TLV from RFC 5420 should be better here. > > I'll also hold a placeholder discuss point to wait for the [IEEE754] > reference for the floating-point format. (I think that format is not a > great fit for this application, for many of the reasons that Magnus > notes, but RFC 8330 has kind of forced us into keeping it.) > > [Amy] Yes, it's better to use the floating-point format in order to align with RFC8330. > IEEE754 will be added as a reference. Agreed. (I saw all the discussion going on elsewhere and was confident the right thing was going to happen, so this part was just to procedurally do the right thing as well.) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 1 > > If the bandwidth availability requirement is not specified in the > signaling message, the bandwidth will be reserved as the highest > bandwidth availability. [...] > > Is this the behavior mandated by RFC 3209/etc., or a new description in > this document? > [Amy] Good point. How about change the text to: > the bandwidth may be reserved as I think I actually prefer the original version. Maybe "will likely be reserved", if that is accurate? > Section 3.1 > > Type (2 octets): 0x04 > > I think this should really have been "0x04 (suggested; TBD by IANA)". > The current text (both here and in Section 5.1) is very close to > codepoint squatting. I have entered DISCUSS positions on documents in > the past for codepoint squatting, but relucantly decline to do so here, > since the IANA considerations do state that the indicated value is only > a suggestion, and the registration procedure of Standards Action > strongly limits the potential for a conflicting registration to be > processing in parallel. > [Amy] will change as suggested. > > When the Availability TLV is included, it MUST be present along > with the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. If the bandwidth > requirements in the multiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs have > > nit: this is the first time we talk about "the multiple" TLVs; should we > give it a less-subtle introduction, like "If there are multiple > bandwidth requirements present (in multiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile > TLVs) and they have different [...]"? > [Amy] will change as suggested. > > different Availability requirements, multiple Availability TLVs > SHOULD be carried. In such a case, the Availability TLV has a one > > It's surprising to see this as a "SHOULD" (not "MUST")... > [Amy] will change to "MUST". > > to one correspondence with the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV by > having the same value of Index field. If all the bandwidth > requirements in the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile have the same > Availability requirement, one Availability TLV SHOULD be carried. > In this case, the Index field is set to 0. > > ... and this extra complication seems like it might be premature > optimization. A strict one-to-one matching requirement is easy to > implement and easy to verify; the logic needed for this is more > complicated and prone to error. > [Amy] I think just one additional step. > First to judge if the index is 0, if yes, then apply the only availability value to all the bandwidth request; > if not, apply the availability values to each the bandwidth request. > A strict one-to-one matching surely is also possible. I don't have strong opinion here. I don't have a strong opinion, either; this is just a non-blocking comment. > Section 3.2 > > When two LSPs request bandwidth with the same availability > requirement, contention MUST be resolved by comparing the node IDs, > with the LSP with the higher node ID being assigned the reservation. > This is consistent with general contention resolution mechanism > provided in section 3.2 of [RFC3473]. > > It seems to me that Section 4.2 of RFC 3471 may be a better reference > than Section 3.2 of RFC 3473, since the latter does not actually say > anything about the higher node ID winning. > [Amy] Thanks, will use RFC 3471 instead. > > Section 3.2 > > When a node receives Availability TLVs which mixed of zero index and > non-zero index, the message MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be > propagated. [...] > > How would such a message be processed if the MAY is ignored (i.e., the > message is processed)? Perhaps this is better as a MUST? > [Amy] If strict one-to-one matching is applying, the error process should become simpler. > I see the point now. > > MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated. When a node receives > several pairs, but there're are extra > > nit: s/there're are/there are/ > [Amy] will fix the nits. > > bandwidth-TLVs without matching index Availability-TLV, the extra > bandwidth-TLVs MAY be ignored and SHOULD NOT be propagated. > > This is perhaps an interesting recommendation to make, since it means > that implementations that support this document will ignore the > bandwidth-TLVs but implementations that do not support this document > will process them, leading to different behavior in terms of how many > reservations are actually made. (And the "SHOULD NOT be propagated" > makes things highly path-dependent and possibly exciting to debug.) > [Amy] How about change both to MUST/MUST NOT? That seems helpful, to me. (The first comment is mostly just an observation, and I don't see any easy changes that would improve things.) > Section 4 > > Thank you for removing the "does not introduce any new security > considerations" text as requested by the secdir reviewer, and adding the > "closed network" discussion. > > That said, I expected to see some discussion about how the mechanisms > defined in this document impose consistency requirements between > Bandwidth TLVs and the newly defined Availability TLVs that can increase > the risk of reservation requests being rejected. > > There could also be some text about the edge cases where behavior will > differ, for a given request, when some/all of the nodes on the path > do/don't support this extension. > [Amy] If some/all of the nodes on the path do/don't support this extension, > it's still possible to set up the LSP as long as there's enough bandwidth along > the path. It's just that the availability level of the reserved bandwidth is > unknown along the path(or in some part of the path), which makes the > mechnism less useful. That's probably still worth saying explicitly. Thanks, Ben > Section 5.1 > > I'm not sure why we need to mention the registration procedure for the > registry -- we're not creating the registry, just allocating a > codepoint from it. IANA will check/follow the required procedure, but > the reader of this document doesn't need to care. > [Amy] Just follow the usual format in IANA section. > > Section 7 > > Thank you for this example, which really helps to clarify that the total > bandwidth is allocated into *non-overlapping* segments with different > max-availability metrics. (That is, that even though there is 400 Mbps > capacity in clear weather, we don't report 400 Mbps at 99.99% > availability, since we need to use some of that capacity for the higher > availability levels.) I a little bit wonder if this could be reiterated > in prose earlier in the document, but don't have any concrete > suggestions for how to do so. > [Amy]This is additional information to help understanding the availability better. > So it's as appendix. > > From nobody Thu Apr 11 12:02:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95D5120689; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T8_EShcTCzw3; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F9BB1206D3; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu (24-107-191-124.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.191.124]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id x3BJ2Ojf021246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:02:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:02:24 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: "Yemin (Amy)" Cc: Warren Kumari , The IESG , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" , Daniele Ceccarelli , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20190411190224.GP18549@kduck.mit.edu> References: <155485344540.19678.965634240652575034.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBDC1BD@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBDC1BD@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 19:02:43 -0000 On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 12:26:54PM +0000, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > Hi Warren, > > Thanks for the comments, please see reply inline below. > > BR, > Amy > ________________________________________ > 发件人: Warren Kumari via Datatracker [noreply@ietf.org] > 发送时间: 2019年4月10日 7:44 > 收件人: The IESG > 抄送: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; ccamp@ietf.org > 主题: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT) > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I must admit that I'm having a hard time understanding the utility of this, and > how exactly systems are supposed to make a reasonable decision based upon the > information -- I don't **really** care that the probability of the link being > at 100Mbps is 99.995%, what I care about is what the available bandwidth is > *now*. When my device has a 123Mbps flow, it needs to decide what to do with it > -- I get that this document describes how the bandwidth probability can be > transmitted, but how should my device use this information? > [Amy] The OSPF extension RFC8330 defines how the information is distributed by OSPF. > This draft defines the signaling, how much bandwidth and corresponding availability level a flow would like to have. > > I'm also confused by the table: > Sub-bandwidth (Mbps) Availability > ------------------ ------------ > 200 99.99% > 100 99.995% > 100 99.999% > > Is there an error here? > [Amy] The table will be modified as following: > 400 99.99% > 200 99.995% > 100 99.999% > Hmm, this change would leave me more confused than the original text did. I was reading the original as saying that: under the worst weather conditions, I only have 100 Mbps capacity, and that's 99.999% available. We'll treat that as effectively "always available" since we can't do any better. If the weather is bad but not the worst weather, I can use modulation level 2, which gets me an *additional* 100 Mbps bandwidth (i.e., 200 Mbps total), so I have 100 Mbps in the 99.999% bucket and 100 Mbps in the 99.995% bucket. In clear weather, I can modulate to get 400 Mbps total, but that's only 200 Mbps more than at modulation level 2, so my 99.99% bucket has that "extra" 200 Mbps, and the other two buckets still have their 100 Mbps each. This matches up (at least in my head) with the text elsewhere in the document about "a higher availability bandwidth can be allocateed to lower availability request when the lower availability bandwidth cannot satisfy the request", which seems to only make sense when there are discrete buckets per availability level. (This model seems particularly poorly aligned for the floating-point representation of availability level, as opposed to an enumeration, but that's orthogonal to this question.) -Ben From nobody Thu Apr 11 12:18:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047461205DA; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:18:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org, Daniele Ceccarelli , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <155501029201.14191.16130607211425263632.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:18:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-09: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 19:18:12 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-09: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for (finding the actual issue in and) resolving my DISCUSS point! From nobody Thu Apr 11 12:47:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B306E1206D5; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:47:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dan Romascanu via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module.all@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, dromasca@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Dan Romascanu Message-ID: <155501206766.14014.7822626609941181065@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:47:47 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-09 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 19:47:48 -0000 Reviewer: Dan Romascanu Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-09 Reviewer: Dan Romascanu Review Date: 2019-04-11 IETF LC End Date: 2019-03-20 IESG Telechat date: 2019-04-11 Summary: The document is Ready. My comments in the LC review were addressed. Thanks. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 3:02 PM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 12:26:54PM +0000, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > > Hi Warren, > > > > Thanks for the comments, please see reply inline below. > > > > BR, > > Amy > > ________________________________________ > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Warren Kumari via Datatracker [noreply@iet= f.org] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=8810=E6=97= =A5 7:44 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: The IESG > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability@iet= f.org; Daniele > Ceccarelli; ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; > ccamp@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Warren Kumari's No Objection on > draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT) > > > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-avail= ability/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I must admit that I'm having a hard time understanding the utility of > this, and > > how exactly systems are supposed to make a reasonable decision based > upon the > > information -- I don't **really** care that the probability of the link > being > > at 100Mbps is 99.995%, what I care about is what the available bandwidt= h > is > > *now*. When my device has a 123Mbps flow, it needs to decide what to do > with it > > -- I get that this document describes how the bandwidth probability can > be > > transmitted, but how should my device use this information? > > [Amy] The OSPF extension RFC8330 defines how the information is > distributed by OSPF. > > This draft defines the signaling, how much bandwidth and corresponding > availability level a flow would like to have. > > > > I'm also confused by the table: > > Sub-bandwidth (Mbps) Availability > > ------------------ ------------ > > 200 99.99% > > 100 99.995% > > 100 99.999% > > > > Is there an error here? > > [Amy] The table will be modified as following: > > 400 99.99% > > 200 99.995% > > 100 99.999% > > > > Hmm, this change would leave me more confused than the original text did. > > I was reading the original as saying that: > Perhaps just copy and paste the below under the original table then? W > > under the worst weather conditions, I only have 100 Mbps capacity, and > that's 99.999% available. We'll treat that as effectively "always > available" since we can't do any better. > > If the weather is bad but not the worst weather, I can use modulation lev= el > 2, which gets me an *additional* 100 Mbps bandwidth (i.e., 200 Mbps > total), so I have 100 Mbps in the 99.999% bucket and 100 Mbps in the > 99.995% bucket. > > In clear weather, I can modulate to get 400 Mbps total, but that's only 2= 00 > Mbps more than at modulation level 2, so my 99.99% bucket has that "extra= " > 200 Mbps, and the other two buckets still have their 100 Mbps each. > > This matches up (at least in my head) with the text elsewhere in the > document about "a higher availability bandwidth can be allocateed to lowe= r > availability request when the lower availability bandwidth cannot satisfy > the request", which seems to only make sense when there are discrete > buckets per availability level. (This model seems particularly poorly > aligned for the floating-point representation of availability level, as > opposed to an enumeration, but that's orthogonal to this question.) > > -Ben > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --0000000000000df5c6058646c029 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 3:02 PM Benj= amin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote= :
On Thu, Apr 11= , 2019 at 12:26:54PM +0000, Yemin (Amy) wrote:
> Hi Warren,
>
> Thanks for the comments, please see reply inline below.
>
> BR,
> Amy
> ________________________________________
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Warren Kumari via Datatracker [noreply@ietf.org]
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=8810=E6=97= =A5 7:44
> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: The IESG
> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwi= dth-availability@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli; ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; daniele.ceccarelli@= ericsson.com; ccamp= @ietf.org
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-cca= mp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: (with COMMENT)
>
> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14: No Objection
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= br> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/i= esg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> I must admit that I'm having a hard time understanding the utility= of this, and
> how exactly systems are supposed to make a reasonable decision based u= pon the
> information -- I don't **really** care that the probability of the= link being
> at 100Mbps is 99.995%, what I care about is what the available bandwid= th is
> *now*. When my device has a 123Mbps flow, it needs to decide what to d= o with it
> -- I get that this document describes how the bandwidth probability ca= n be
> transmitted, but how should my device use this information?
> [Amy] The OSPF extension RFC8330 defines how the information is distri= buted by OSPF.
> This draft defines the signaling, how much bandwidth and corresponding= availability level a flow would like to have.
>
> I'm also confused by the table:
> Sub-bandwidth (Mbps)=C2=A0 =C2=A0Availability
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ------------------=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0------------
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 200=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 99.99%
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 100=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 99.995%
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 100=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 99.999%
>
> Is there an error here?
> [Amy] The table will be modified as following:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 400=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 99.99%
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 200=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 99.995%
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 100=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 99.999%
>

Hmm, this change would leave me more confused than the original text did.
I was reading the original as saying that:

<= div>
P= erhaps just copy and paste the below under the original table then?

W<= /div>
=C2=A0

under the worst weather conditions, I only have 100 Mbps capacity, and
that's 99.999% available.=C2=A0 We'll treat that as effectively &qu= ot;always
available" since we can't do any better.

If the weather is bad but not the worst weather, I can use modulation level=
2, which gets=C2=A0 me an *additional* 100 Mbps bandwidth (i.e., 200 Mbps total), so I have 100 Mbps in the 99.999% bucket and 100 Mbps in the
99.995% bucket.

In clear weather, I can modulate to get 400 Mbps total, but that's only= 200
Mbps more than at modulation level 2, so my 99.99% bucket has that "ex= tra"
200 Mbps, and the other two buckets still have their 100 Mbps each.

This matches up (at least in=C2=A0 my head) with the text elsewhere in the<= br> document about "a higher availability bandwidth can be allocateed to l= ower
availability request when the lower availability bandwidth cannot satisfy the request", which seems to only make sense when there are discrete buckets per availability level.=C2=A0 (This model seems particularly poorly=
aligned for the floating-point representation of availability level, as
opposed to an enumeration, but that's orthogonal to this question.)

-Ben


--
I don't think the execution is relevant when= it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting ra= bid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen tho= se particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf<= /div>
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I would like to know what algorithm is recommended for path computation acr= oss WDM network. Will it be a modified version of dijkstra - with one run t= o check for optical constraints at every hop and find shortest path by metr= ic , or the K-th shortest path algorithm to continuously explore many paths= and check optical constraints( such as wavelength continuity, ROADM direct= ionality constraint etc) on each of the paths one by one Please give your suggestions/experience. Regards Vijay --_000_DM5PR2201MB15484396370E9CEE5BFA535C8B280DM5PR2201MB1548_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi all, 
I have a question.

I would like to know what algorithm is recommended for path computatio= n across WDM network. Will it be a modified version of dijkstra - with one run to check for optical constrain= ts at every hop and find shortest path by metric , or the K-th shortest pat= h algorithm to continuously explore many paths and check optical constraint= s( such as wavelength continuity, ROADM directionality constraint etc) on each of the paths one by one

Please give your suggestions/experience.

Regards
Vijay
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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0465_01D4F124.53163CF0" ------=_NextPart_001_0465_01D4F124.53163CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resending to the list =20 Daniele =20 =20 From: liuzhe (E) =20 Sent: den 11 april 2019 15:14 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli ; Zhenghaomian = (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) = Subject: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: IPR polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 =20 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. =20 =20 Best wishes, Zhe Liu =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Daniele Ceccarelli = [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5 = 22:42 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: zhengyl@dimpt.com = ; liuzhe (E) >; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) = (sergio.belotti@nokia.com ) = >; = yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com ; = Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) = >; Aihuaguo = (Aihua Guo, CRC) >; = Italo Busi >; = antons@sedonasys.com ; xuyunbin@ritt.cn = ; Francesco Lazzeri = = >; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com ; = xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com ; Giuseppe = Fioccola > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org ) = > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: IPR polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 =20 Hi authors, WG, =20 This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07. =20 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? =20 Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" =20 If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: =20 "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" =20 If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. =20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. =20 If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or = contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules = which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of = others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more = information, please see the RFCs listed above and = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. =20 =20 Thanks =20 Fatai & Daniele =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0465_01D4F124.53163CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Resending to the = list

 

Daniele  =

 

From: liuzhe (E) = <liuzhe123@huawei.com>
Sent: den 11 april 2019 = 15:14
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli = <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, = Optical Technology Research Dept) = <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>
Subject: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D= : IPR = polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07

=

 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft.

 

 

Best wishes,

Zhe Liu

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA= : Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli= @ericsson.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6= =E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5 22:42
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA= : zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe (E) = <liuzhe123@huawei.com>; = BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) (sergio.belotti@nokia.com) = <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>= ; yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com= ; Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical Technology Research Dept) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; = Aihuaguo (Aihua Guo, CRC) <aihuaguo@huawei.com>; Italo = Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; Francesco Lazzeri = <francesco.lazzeri@ericsson= .com>; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; = Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com= >
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: IPR polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07

=

 

Hi authors, = WG,

 

This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll = of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

 

Are you aware of any IPR that = applies to draft identified above?

 

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details)?

If yes to the above, please state = either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant = IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S = TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as = an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the = IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty= .

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

 

 

 

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[95.155.237.105]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u3sm9792750lju.51.2019.04.14.13.09.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Apr 2019 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: stefan vallin In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC01B332A46D@marchand> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:09:39 +0200 Cc: Martin Bjorklund , "draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" , "iesg@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3CA7A178-2B65-4C87-92F8-32FA64ABE613@wallan.se> References: <155441219772.30850.16834415326016227822.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20190408.134748.1365144734427040436.mbj@tail-f.com> <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC01B3322AAE@marchand> <20190411.172242.625040826307824240.mbj@tail-f.com> <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC01B332A46D@marchand> To: Roman Danyliw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 20:09:48 -0000 Hi Roman! Thanks for confirming 3 of 4 discuss! On the last one, first see my previous email from 5 april on the topic. You suggested this statement: "if the management application gets an alarm of an unknown type it = should discard it.=E2=80=9D It should be the other way around, it is important that the alarm is = managed by the client although it is not available in the alarm inventory since that is a bug in the = server. We could add something like the following to the alarm-inventory = description. =E2=80=9CIf the client gets an alarm that is not present in the = alarm-inventory it SHOULD still manage the alarm. This is a non-compliant server but it is important = that the client still reports the alarm.=E2=80=9D=20 If the server has a bug/is non-compliant the client should present = alarms missing in the inventory. The client application could indicate the non-compliance in some way so = that a bug report could be sent to the server vendor. Note well that for a well-behaved server with only static alarm types, = all of them will be available as YANG identities, and no "unknown alarm = types" exists. br Stefan > On 12 Apr 2019, at 14:46, Roman Danyliw wrote: >=20 > Hi! >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 11:23 AM >> To: Roman Danyliw >> Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp- >> chairs@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on = draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm- >> module-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> We have now posted draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-09. Please verify = that >> this version addresses your DISUSS. >=20 > Thanks for -09. It addresses all of my issues but one. Please see = below ... >=20 >> /martin & stefan >>=20 >>=20 >> Roman Danyliw wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: iesg [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin >>>> Bjorklund >>>> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 7:48 AM >>>> To: Roman Danyliw ; noreply@ietf.org >>>> Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp- >>>> chairs@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on >>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm- >>>> module-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>>>=20 >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> Thank you for this review. See comments inline. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Roman Danyliw via Datatracker wrote: >>>>> Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for >>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08: Discuss >>>>>=20 >>>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to >>>>> all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to >>>>> cut this introductory paragraph, however.) >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Please refer to >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>>>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found = here: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module/ >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ---- >>>>> DISCUSS: >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ---- >>>>>=20 >>>>> (1) Section 3.5, Alarm Life-Cycle. The text states that =E2=80=9CA = server >>>>> SHOULD describe how long it retains cleared/closed alarms: until >>>>> manually purged or if it has an automatic removal policy.=E2=80=9D = How is >>>>> this retention policy described? Is that in scope for this = document? >>>>=20 >>>> You are right, this is not in scope. We suggest we add a sentence: >>>>=20 >>>> How this is done is outside the scope of this document. >>>=20 >>> Works for me. >>>=20 >>>>> (2) Section 4.2, Alarm Inventory. The text states that =E2=80=9CA = server >>>>> MUST implement the alarm inventory in order to enable controlled >>>>> alarm procedures in the client.=E2=80=9D What is the expected = server >>>>> behavior if a client sends an alarm type not in the inventory (and >>>>> it isn=E2=80=99t part of the dynamic addition process)? >>>>=20 >>>> We assume you mean what does a management application do if it >>>> receives an alarm from a device that is not in the inventory? >>>=20 >>> Yes, exactly. >>>=20 >>>> This is the reason for the >>>> MUST in the text; a device MUST list all alarm types in the >>>> inventory so that a management application knows about it. >>>=20 >>> What if the device is misconfigured/rogue and doesn't implement the >> MUST (i.e., doesn't put all of the alarm types in the inventory; = returns a >> different alarm type than requested by the server)? I was expecting = text >> roughly on the order of "if the management application gets an alarm = of an >> unknown type it MUST discard it." >=20 > Could you please help me understand what happens in this circumstance. >=20 > Thanks, > Roman >=20 >=20 >>>>> (2) Section 10, Security Considerations. It seems like >>>>> =E2=80=9C/alarms/alarm-list/alarm/set-operator-state=E2=80=9D = should be listed as >>>>> an operation in the YANG model that presents a security issues >>>>> (just like >>>> =E2=80=9Cpurge-alarms=E2=80=9D). >>>>> Consider if one altered the operator alert state causing the alarm >>>>> management procedures to miss an alert (e.g., setting an alert to >>>>> =E2=80=9Cclosed=E2=80=9D before any action is taken). >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> You are right. We suggest: >>>>=20 >>>> /alarms/alarm-list/alarm/set-operator-state: This action can be = used >>>> by the operator to indicate the level of human intervention on = an >>>> alarm. Unauthorized use of this action could result in alarms >>>> being ignored by operators. >>>=20 >>> Works for me. Your editorial call on how to best sequence the = operators: >> "alarms/alarm-list/set-operator-state" vs. "{alarms, alarm-list, = set-operator- >> state}", "alarms, alarm-list, set-operator-state". >>>=20 >>>>> (3) Section 10, Security Considerations. I don=E2=80=99t know = must about >>>>> the implementations, but wouldn=E2=80=99t compressing alerts (per >>>>> compress-alarms and compress-shelved-alarms operations) remove >>>>> them from >>>> consideration >>>>> by alarm management procedures? If so, these would be a sensitive >>>>> operation that would need to be listed as the concern equivalent >>>>> to the current text for purge-alarms. >>>>=20 >>>> Compressing only affects the history (old states) of the alarm. = The >>>> alarm itself is not affected, so we don't think this needs = additional >> considerations. >>>=20 >>> I missed that detail. Agreed that no change it required. >>>=20 >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ---- >>>>> COMMENT: >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> ---- >>>>>=20 >>>>> (1) Section 1.1, Terminology, =E2=80=9CFault=E2=80=9D. Consider = expanding the >>>>> acronym >>>> =E2=80=9CMOS=E2=80=9D >>>>> (Mean Option Score?) >>>>=20 >>>> Done - (Mean Opinion Score). >>>>=20 >>>>> (2) Section 2, Objectives, Consider s/X.733/[X.733]/ >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>>=20 >>>>> (3) Section 3.2, Alarm Type, Consider s/identity >>>>> based/identity-based/ >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>>=20 >>>>> (4) Section 3.2, Alarm Type, Typo, s/standard >>>>> organization/standards organization/ >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>>=20 >>>>> (5) Section 3.4, Identifying Alarm Instances, Consider s/were not >>>>> really clear/were not clear/ >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>>=20 >>>>> (6) Section 3.5.2, Operator Alarm Life-cycle, Consider s/can also >>>>> act upon/act upon/ >>>>=20 >>>> We suggest "Operators can act upon..." (removed "also"). >>>>=20 >>>>> (7) Section 3.5.2, Operator Alarm Life-cycle, Consider s/A closed >>>>> alarm is an alarm/For example, a closed alarm is an alarm/ >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>>=20 >>>>> (8) Section 3.6, Root Cause, Impacted Resources and Related >>>>> Alarms, Consider s/Different systems have various >>>>> various/Different systems have varying/ >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>>=20 >>>>> (9) Section 3.6, Root Cause, Impacted Resources and Related >>>>> Alarms, Consider s/In some occasions/On some occasions/ >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>>=20 >>>>> (10) Section 3.6, Root Cause, Impacted Resources and Related >>>>> Alarms, Consider s/needs to represent an alarm that indicates a >>>>> situation that needs acting upon/raises an alarm to indicate a >>>>> situation requiring attention/ >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>>=20 >>>>> (11) Section 4.1.1, Alarm Shelving, The text states =E2=80=9CThe >>>>> instrumentation MUST move shelved alarms from the alarm list >>>>> (/alarms/alarm-list) to the shelved alarm list >>>>> (/alarms/shelved-alarms/).=E2=80=9D It wasn=E2=80=99t clear when = these shelved >>>>> alarms >>>> must be moved given the text. >>>>=20 >>>> You are right. Actually, the word "move" is a bit misleading. We = suggest: >>>>=20 >>>> OLD: >>>>=20 >>>> Shelved alarms are shown in a dedicated shelved alarm list. The >>>> instrumentation MUST move shelved alarms from the alarm list >>>> (/alarms/alarm-list) to the shelved alarm list (/alarms/shelved- >>>> alarms/). Shelved alarms do not generate any notifications. = When >>>> the shelving criteria is removed or changed the alarm list MUST = be >>>> updated to the correct actual state of the alarms. >>>>=20 >>>> NEW: >>>>=20 >>>> Shelved alarms are shown in a dedicated shelved alarm list. = Matching >>>> alarms MUST appear in the /alarms/shelved-alarms/shelved-alarm = list, >>>> and non-matching /alarms MUST appear in the /alarms/alarm- >> list/alarm >>>> list. The server does not send any notifications for shelved = alarms. >>>>=20 >>>> (and the same change in the YANG module) >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> (12) Section 4.4, The Alarm List, The sentence, =E2=80=9CThe alarm = list >>>>> (/alarms/alarm-list) is a function from (resource, alarm type, >>>>> alarm type >>>>> qualifier) to the current composite alarm state=E2=80=9D is = missing a >> word/phrase. >>>>> Removing the parenthetical remarks it reads a =E2=80=9CThe alarm = list is a >>>>> function from to the current composite alarm state=E2=80=9D is = does not parse. >>>>=20 >>>> Ok, we suggest: >>>>=20 >>>> The alarm list (/alarms/alarm-list) is a function from the = tuple >>>> (resource, alarm type, alarm type qualifier) to the current >>>> composite alarm state. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> (13) Consider s/Life-cycle/Lifecycle/g >>>>=20 >>>> Done. >>>=20 >>> All of these work for me. >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Roman >>>=20 >>>> Thanks again for this review! >>>>=20 >>>> /martin & stefan From nobody Mon 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VI1PR07MB3392 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] FW: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:01:32 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01D4F393.B5E0D5E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_009A_01D4F393.B5E0D5E0" ------=_NextPart_001_009A_01D4F393.B5E0D5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems not all the mails sent to the list show up properly in the archive. Daniele From: Yao, Yingxi (NSB - CN/Chengdu) Sent: den 15 april 2019 12:05 To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe123@huawei.com; Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) ; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) ; aihuaguo@huawei.com; Italo Busi ; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; Francesco Lazzeri ; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: RE: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Thanks. --Yingxi From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: 2019$BG/(B4$B7n(B9$BF|(B 22:42 To: zhengyl@dimpt.com ; liuzhe123@huawei.com ; Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) >; Yao, Yingxi (NSB - CN/Chengdu) >; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com ) >; aihuaguo@huawei.com ; Italo Busi >; antons@sedonasys.com ; xuyunbin@ritt.cn ; Francesco Lazzeri >; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com ; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com ; giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org ) > Subject: IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07 Hi authors, WG, This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thanks Fatai & Daniele ------=_NextPart_001_009A_01D4F393.B5E0D5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It seems not all the mails sent to = the list show up properly in the archive.

 

Daniele  =

 

From: Yao, Yingxi (NSB - CN/Chengdu) = <yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com>
Sent: den 15 april 2019 = 12:05
To: Daniele Ceccarelli = <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; zhengyl@dimpt.com; = liuzhe123@huawei.com; Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) = <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) = <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; aihuaguo@huawei.com; Italo Busi = <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; = Francesco Lazzeri <francesco.lazzeri@ericsson.com>; = zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; = giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: IPR polling on = draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07

=

 

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft

 

Thanks.

--Yingxi

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli= @ericsson.com]
Sent: 2019=1B$BG/=1B(J4=1B$B7n=1B(J9=1B$BF|=1B(J 22:42
To: = zhengyl@dimpt.com; liuzhe123@huawei.com; Belotti, = Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com>= ; Yao, Yingxi (NSB - CN/Chengdu) <yingxi.yao@nokia-sbell.com= >; Zhenghaomian (zhenghaomian@huawei.com) = <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>; = aihuaguo@huawei.com; Italo = Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; antons@sedonasys.com; xuyunbin@ritt.cn; Francesco Lazzeri = <francesco.lazzeri@ericsson= .com>; zhaoyangyjy@chinamobile.com; xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; = giuseppe.fioccola@huawe= i.com
Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: = IPR polling on draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07

 

Hi authors, = WG,

 

This IPR polling is in preparation for the WG adoption poll = of draft-zheng-ccamp-client-signal-yang-07.

 

Are you aware of any IPR that = applies to draft identified above?

 

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this = draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details)?

If yes to the above, please state = either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with = IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant = IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S = TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as = an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the = IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty= .

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai & Daniele

 

 

 

 

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ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F22120390; Mon, 15 Apr 2019 08:48:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155534332147.10785.15642665685115884444@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 08:48:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:48:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A Yang Data Model for Optical Impairment-aware Topology Authors : Young Lee Haomian Zheng Italo Busi Nicola Sambo Victor Lopez G. Galimberti Giovanni Martinelli AUGE Jean Luc Julien Meuric Dieter Beller Sergio Belotti Griseri Enrico Gert Grammel Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-optical-impairment-topology-yang-00.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2019-04-09 Abstract: In order to provision an optical connection through optical networks, a combination of path continuity, resource availability, and impairment constraints must be met to determine viable and optimal paths through the network. The determination of appropriate paths is known as Impairment-Aware Routing and Wavelength Assignment (IA-RWA) for WSON, while it is known as Impairment-Aware Routing and Spectrum Assigment (IA-RSA) for SSON. This document provides a YANG data model for the impairment-aware TE topology in optical networks. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Apr 23 00:56:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF29120072; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 00:56:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, db3546@att.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155600620249.32413.7232391553739307758.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 00:56:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] ccamp - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 105 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:56:43 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Daniele Ceccarelli, a Chair of the ccamp working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Common Control and Measurement Plane Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Daniele Ceccarelli Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls pce teas netmod netconf Second Priority: rtgarea detnet bess Third Priority: lsr i2rs People who must be present: Deborah Brungard Fatai Zhang Daniele Ceccarelli Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Apr 29 19:25:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908281200E5; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 19:25:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ccamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <155659110848.12971.9733837510692807545@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 19:25:08 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 02:25:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability Information Authors : Hao Long Min Ye Greg Mirsky Alessandro D'Alessandro Himanshu Shah Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-04-29 Abstract: A packet switching network may contain links with variable bandwidth, e.g., copper, radio, etc. The bandwidth of such links is sensitive to external environment (e.g., climate). Availability is typically used for describing these links when doing network planning. This document introduces an optional Bandwidth Availability TLV in Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineer (RSVP-TE) signaling. This extension can be used to set up a Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) in conjunction with the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Apr 29 19:48:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89DF120241 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 19:48:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bfe_vPccZFfy for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 19:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5447B120222 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 19:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 2865E54573A09BA8D6FD; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 03:48:27 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.66) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 03:48:26 +0100 Received: from lhreml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.66) by lhreml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.66) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 03:48:26 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM422-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.198.39) by lhreml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.66) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 03:48:26 +0100 Received: from DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.72]) by dggemm422-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.198.39]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:48:22 +0800 From: "Yemin (Amy)" To: Benjamin Kaduk , Adam Roach , "magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com" CC: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt Thread-Index: AQHU/vw51twdDi0+S0SYGeH2GA0wKqZT/phQ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 02:48:22 +0000 Message-ID: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBF07C9@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <155659110848.12971.9733837510692807545@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <155659110848.12971.9733837510692807545@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.169.30.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 02:48:32 -0000 Hi Ben, Adam and Magnus, The draft is now updated to address all the Discuss & Comments received in = IESG review. Please review. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cca= mp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ =20 Sorry for the late update due to my travelling in the past weeks.=20 BR, Amy (on behalf of co-authors) -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ie= tf.org Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:25 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availabilit= y-15.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of= the IETF. Title : Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability Inf= ormation Authors : Hao Long Min Ye Greg Mirsky Alessandro D'Alessandro Himanshu Shah Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-04-29 Abstract: A packet switching network may contain links with variable bandwidth, e.g., copper, radio, etc. The bandwidth of such links is sensitive to external environment (e.g., climate). Availability is typically used for describing these links when doing network planning. This document introduces an optional Bandwidth Availability TLV in Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineer (RSVP-TE) signaling. This extension can be used to set up a Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Path (LSP) in conjunction with the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availab= ility/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability= -15 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-av= ailability-15 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-avai= lability-15 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Mon Apr 29 20:26:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73963120122 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:26:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.679 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.679 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qA5YfbGC049A for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA05C12001E for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro.roach.at (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3U3QbW6023432 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Apr 2019 22:26:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1556594800; bh=yluvv0lPlKCLnKAt9eO7Sp+Wjrhl/A1jX60nackPzf4=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=sYFQ8XD6LIFWCVonIzaeicBYS+eDhdgf5iMItOmlI8G4VMkEmpMnv9lWwZ2oq4dZ6 tbuepDa4EZ4IwAmw8miunW6OC/VAYjBQ/uQ7pPukTk+rZeDNTqke16HtrN7HGwiIZK A6fcCHOsGbS29o5CPM2d/qUuLVb8Xl7SWS9kvqio= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be MacBook-Pro.roach.at To: "Yemin (Amy)" , Benjamin Kaduk , "magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com" Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" References: <155659110848.12971.9733837510692807545@ietfa.amsl.com> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBF07C9@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <9f352f61-c8f8-1b74-c99e-35c58c61f66d@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 22:26:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBF07C9@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 03:26:51 -0000 Thanks for the update! I apologize for not being clearer in my DISCUSS that "binary interchange format" is as important as "IEEE 754-2008." The issues are twofold: IEEE-754 defines both binary and decimal formats; you presumably want to specify the use of the binary format. The standard also defines arithmetic formats, meant for efficiency of computation, and interchange formats, meant for unambiguous transmission between processors. You'll want to specify the second one. /a On 4/29/19 9:48 PM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > Hi Ben, Adam and Magnus, > > The draft is now updated to address all the Discuss & Comments received in IESG review. Please review. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ > Sorry for the late update due to my travelling in the past weeks. > > BR, > Amy (on behalf of co-authors) > > -----Original Message----- > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:25 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. > > Title : Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability Information > Authors : Hao Long > Min Ye > Greg Mirsky > Alessandro D'Alessandro > Himanshu Shah > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2019-04-29 > > Abstract: > A packet switching network may contain links with variable > bandwidth, e.g., copper, radio, etc. The bandwidth of such links is > sensitive to external environment (e.g., climate). Availability is > typically used for describing these links when doing network > planning. This document introduces an optional Bandwidth > Availability TLV in Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineer > (RSVP-TE) signaling. This extension can be used to set up a > Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched > Path (LSP) in conjunction with the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Tue Apr 30 02:11:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE2E120265 for ; 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I will leave Adam to ensure the formal definition part.=0A= =0A= Cheers=0A= =0A= Magnus=0A= =0A= On 2019-04-30 04:48, Yemin (Amy) wrote:=0A= > Hi Ben, Adam and Magnus,=0A= >=0A= > The draft is now updated to address all the Discuss & Comments received i= n IESG review. Please review. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-c= camp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/ =0A= > Sorry for the late update due to my travelling in the past weeks. =0A= >=0A= > BR,=0A= > Amy (on behalf of co-authors)=0A= >=0A= > -----Original Message-----=0A= > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@= ietf.org=0A= > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:25 AM=0A= > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org=0A= > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org=0A= > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availabil= ity-15.txt=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories.=0A= > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG = of the IETF.=0A= >=0A= > Title : Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability I= nformation=0A= > Authors : Hao Long=0A= > Min Ye=0A= > Greg Mirsky=0A= > Alessandro D'Alessandro=0A= > Himanshu Shah=0A= > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt= =0A= > Pages : 12=0A= > Date : 2019-04-29=0A= >=0A= > Abstract:=0A= > A packet switching network may contain links with variable=0A= > bandwidth, e.g., copper, radio, etc. The bandwidth of such links is=0A= > sensitive to external environment (e.g., climate). Availability is=0A= > typically used for describing these links when doing network=0A= > planning. This document introduces an optional Bandwidth=0A= > Availability TLV in Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineer= =0A= > (RSVP-TE) signaling. This extension can be used to set up a=0A= > Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched=0A= > Path (LSP) in conjunction with the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object.=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:=0A= > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-avail= ability/=0A= >=0A= > There are also htmlized versions available at:=0A= > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availabili= ty-15=0A= > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-= availability-15=0A= >=0A= > A diff from the previous version is available at:=0A= > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-av= ailability-15=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.=0A= >=0A= > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:=0A= > 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(1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 43jJwHPMReKm for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488A5120352 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro.roach.at (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3UJlH4O080802 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:47:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1556653641; bh=yx8ZsJw0Jyat28t7oxgd79Iy47IoST2d28I9a9Z7e1I=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=jiabYNzlG/tjV4w/Z2caVNGLkzr/Bb387BmWiGB+CK5u5qQrZL6s7ddSOxe5SgZ2r IFdHGr0J5iLs+A4bRQxuAoBvt/07JCLRtEsn0swQ12iezDdKEK1VPxAY+irVQsHrby ijsTK0bUUVhUaWbrXuXetJzRFtv4eFPGFPcmDxis= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be MacBook-Pro.roach.at To: "Yemin (Amy)" , Benjamin Kaduk , "magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com" Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" References: <155659110848.12971.9733837510692807545@ietfa.amsl.com> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBF07C9@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> <9f352f61-c8f8-1b74-c99e-35c58c61f66d@nostrum.com> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBF09B4@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <8a2aee8a-6107-68cb-65a1-07f35c390f8d@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:47:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FCFBF09B4@DGGEMM528-MBX.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:47:33 -0000 Yes, that's perfect. Thanks. /a On 4/30/19 4:32 AM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > Hi Adam, > > In order to be aligned with RFC8330, it's better to use binary 32 here. > How about "a 32-bit format floating-point number in binary interchange format [IEEE754]..."? > > BR, > Amy > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@nostrum.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 11:27 AM > To: Yemin (Amy) ; Benjamin Kaduk ; magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt > > Thanks for the update! > > I apologize for not being clearer in my DISCUSS that "binary interchange format" is as important as "IEEE 754-2008." The issues are twofold: > IEEE-754 defines both binary and decimal formats; you presumably want to specify the use of the binary format. The standard also defines arithmetic formats, meant for efficiency of computation, and interchange formats, meant for unambiguous transmission between processors. You'll want to specify the second one. > > /a > > On 4/29/19 9:48 PM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: >> Hi Ben, Adam and Magnus, >> >> The draft is now updated to address all the Discuss & Comments >> received in IESG review. Please review. >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-av >> ailability/ Sorry for the late update due to my travelling in the past >> weeks. >> >> BR, >> Amy (on behalf of co-authors) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:25 AM >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability Information >> Authors : Hao Long >> Min Ye >> Greg Mirsky >> Alessandro D'Alessandro >> Himanshu Shah >> Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-15.txt >> Pages : 12 >> Date : 2019-04-29 >> >> Abstract: >> A packet switching network may contain links with variable >> bandwidth, e.g., copper, radio, etc. The bandwidth of such links is >> sensitive to external environment (e.g., climate). Availability is >> typically used for describing these links when doing network >> planning. This document introduces an optional Bandwidth >> Availability TLV in Resource ReSerVation Protocol - Traffic Engineer >> (RSVP-TE) signaling. This extension can be used to set up a >> Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched >> Path (LSP) in conjunction with the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-av >> ailability/ >> >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availab >> ility-15 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwid >> th-availability-15 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-a >> vailability-15 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >