From nobody Thu Dec 6 11:28:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AF9130EDD for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 09:42:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vC37ahq7oj52 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 09:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2601:14d:8101:1c3c:4132:56a8:12ed:42a7] (unknown [IPv6:2601:14d:8101:1c3c:4132:56a8:12ed:42a7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 63F78130E86 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2018 09:42:02 -0800 (PST) From: Portia Wenze-Danley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F0ACD31E-1751-47AD-9E6D-DFB19A3AFB14" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) Message-Id: <0FADBB7E-4118-4826-ABC4-196E655AD92F@ietf.org> References: To: ccg@ietf.org Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 12:42:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:28:05 -0800 Subject: [CCG] Fwd: Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA X-BeenThere: ccg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IANA IPR Community Coordination Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 17:42:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F0ACD31E-1751-47AD-9E6D-DFB19A3AFB14 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 All, I have been contacted by our counsel, Thompson Hine, advising the Trust = to consider registering IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual = Property Office). =20 (The background and details prompting the advise are below.) I have shared this request with the Trustees who suggested I reach out = to the CCG for your input before final consensus is met. Thanks very much in advance and please let me know if you have = questions. I look forward to your comments. ________________________________ Portia Wenze-Danley IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim) (Formerly IETF Administrative Director (IAD)=09 Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) pwdanley@ietf.org > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: "Lienesch, Ted" > Subject: Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA > Date: December 5, 2018 at 2:45:32 PM EST > To: "pwdanley@ietf.org" > Cc: "Wilson, David" >=20 > Dear Portia: > =20 > As you may be aware, we have in place worldwide trademark watches for = third-party attempts to register trademarks confusingly similar to IETF = and IANA. These were commissioned by Ray. While there is a cost for the = agency that develops the raw data that we pass through to you, I do not = charge for reviewing the results unless they report a problematic = trademark application. > =20 > Recently that search found a published trademark application for = =E2=80=9CiONA,=E2=80=9D owned by Innogy SE of Essen, Germany, for goods = including =E2=80=9Cdata processing programs; computer software = applications; software.=E2=80=9D That mark is similar in appearance to = IANA because it differs from IANA in only one letter. Further, the = aforementioned items are broad enough to at least relate to your IANA = services that include monitoring and of domain names and addresses. = However, when viewing the entirety of the goods and services listing for = iONA, it becomes clear that the services provided under that mark relate = to monitoring and managing energy consumption. Accordingly, it is my = opinion that IETF does not need to take action to oppose or otherwise = challenge registration of iONA. > =20 > I bring this to your attention because IETF at present does not have a = registration for IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual Property = Office) that we are aware of. This lack of a registration in the EU = makes it extremely difficult to challenge registration of any = third-party mark in the EU. This situation raises the question of = whether IETF should consider obtaining registrations for IANA in the EU = and elsewhere. Accordingly, please let me know if IETF is interested in = pursuing trademark protection for IANA as it has for its IETF trademark. > =20 > Best regards, > =20 > Ted > THEODORE D. LIENESCH | Partner | Thompson Hine LLP | 10050 Innovation = Drive | Suite 400 | Miamisburg | OH | 45342-4934 > 937-443-6958 (voice) | 937-443-6635 = (facsimile) | 937-477-6951 (mobile) >=20 > Atlanta | Cincinnati | Cleveland | Columbus | Dayton | New York | = Washington, D.C. >=20 >=20 > This electronic message contains information that may be confidential, = privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is = intended to be used solely by the recipient(s) named. If you are not an = intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, = distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. = If you have received this transmission in error, please notify me = immediately at Ted.Lienesch@thompsonhine.com = . --Apple-Mail=_F0ACD31E-1751-47AD-9E6D-DFB19A3AFB14 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E638FA26-A189-4EAD-BA46-D2C17F89D7EF" --Apple-Mail=_E638FA26-A189-4EAD-BA46-D2C17F89D7EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 All,

I = have been contacted by our counsel, Thompson Hine, advising the Trust to = consider registering IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual = Property Office).  

(The background and details prompting the advise are = below.)

I have = shared this request with the Trustees who suggested I reach out to the = CCG for your input before final consensus is met.
Thanks very much in advance and please = let me know if you have questions.  I look forward to your = comments.
________________________________
Portia Wenze-Danley
IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim)
(Formerly IETF Administrative = Director (IAD)
Internet = Engineering Task Force (IETF)







Begin forwarded message:

From: = "Lienesch, Ted" <Ted.Lienesch@thompsonhine.com>
Subject: = Worldwide = Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA
Date: = December 5, 2018 at 2:45:32 PM = EST
To: = "pwdanley@ietf.org" = <pwdanley@ietf.org>
Cc: "Wilson, David" <David.Wilson@thompsonhine.com>

Dear = Portia:
 
As you may be aware, we have in place worldwide trademark = watches for third-party attempts to register trademarks confusingly = similar to IETF and IANA. These were commissioned by Ray. While there is = a cost for the agency that develops the raw data that we pass through to = you, I do not charge for reviewing the results unless they report a = problematic trademark application.
 
Recently that search found a published = trademark application for =E2=80=9CiONA,=E2=80=9D owned by Innogy SE of = Essen, Germany, for goods including =E2=80=9Cdata processing programs; = computer software applications; software.=E2=80=9D That mark is similar = in appearance to IANA because it differs from IANA in only one letter. = Further, the aforementioned items are broad enough to at least relate to = your IANA services that include monitoring and of domain names and = addresses. However, when viewing the entirety of the goods and services = listing for iONA, it becomes clear that the services provided under that = mark relate to monitoring and managing energy consumption. Accordingly, = it is my opinion that IETF does not need to take action to oppose or = otherwise challenge registration of iONA.
 
I bring this to your attention because = IETF at present does not have a registration for IANA in the EUIPO = (European Union Intellectual Property Office) that we are aware of. This = lack of a registration in the EU makes it extremely difficult to = challenge registration of any third-party mark in the EU. This situation = raises the question of whether IETF should consider obtaining = registrations for IANA in the EU and elsewhere. Accordingly, please let = me know if IETF is interested in pursuing trademark protection for IANA = as it has for its IETF trademark.
 
Best regards,
 
Ted
THEODORE D. = LIENESCH | Partner | Thompson Hine LLP | 10050 Innovation Drive | Suite = 400 | Miamisburg | OH | 45342-4934
937-443-6958 (voice) | 937-443-6635 (facsimile) | 937-477-6951(mobile)

Atlanta | Cincinnati | Cleveland | Columbus | Dayton | New = York | Washington, D.C.


This electronic message contains = information that may be confidential, privileged or otherwise protected = from disclosure.  The information is intended to be used solely by = the recipient(s) named.  If you are not an intended recipient, be = aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this = transmission or its contents is prohibited.  If you have received = this transmission in error, please notify me immediately at Ted.Lienesch@thompsonhine.com.
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Thu, 06 Dec 2018 11:48:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0FADBB7E-4118-4826-ABC4-196E655AD92F@ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <0FADBB7E-4118-4826-ABC4-196E655AD92F@ietf.org> From: Greg Shatan Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 14:47:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: Portia Wenze-Danley Cc: ccg@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0000000000002ffb3d057c5fc7da" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCG] Fwd: Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA X-BeenThere: ccg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IANA IPR Community Coordination Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 19:48:14 -0000 --0000000000002ffb3d057c5fc7da Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002ffb36057c5fc7d9" --0000000000002ffb36057c5fc7d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking for myself, I am fully supportive of this action and I agree with the rationale from counsel. From personal experience, the costs are relatively modest, especially considering you get protection across all the (currently) 27 EU member states (and any new joiners as well). By this email, I request feedback from the rest of the CCG. Best regards, Greg On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 2:28 PM Portia Wenze-Danley wrote: > All, > > I have been contacted by our counsel, Thompson Hine, advising the Trust t= o > consider registering IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual > Property Office). > > (The background and details prompting the advise are below.) > > I have shared this request with the Trustees who suggested I reach out to > the CCG for your input before final consensus is met. > > Thanks very much in advance and please let me know if you have questions. > I look forward to your comments. > ________________________________ > *Portia Wenze-Danley* > IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim) > (*Formerly* IETF Administrative Director (IAD) > Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) > pwdanley@ietf.org > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *"Lienesch, Ted" > *Subject: **Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA* > *Date: *December 5, 2018 at 2:45:32 PM EST > *To: *"pwdanley@ietf.org" > *Cc: *"Wilson, David" > > Dear Portia: > > As you may be aware, we have in place worldwide trademark watches for > third-party attempts to register trademarks confusingly similar to IETF a= nd > IANA. These were commissioned by Ray. While there is a cost for the agenc= y > that develops the raw data that we pass through to you, I do not charge f= or > reviewing the results unless they report a problematic trademark > application. > > Recently that search found a published trademark application for =E2=80= =9CiONA,=E2=80=9D > owned by Innogy SE of Essen, Germany, for goods including =E2=80=9Cdata p= rocessing > programs; computer software applications; software.=E2=80=9D That mark is= similar > in appearance to IANA because it differs from IANA in only one letter. > Further, the aforementioned items are broad enough to at least relate to > your IANA services that include monitoring and of domain names and > addresses. However, when viewing the entirety of the goods and services > listing for iONA, it becomes clear that the services provided under that > mark relate to monitoring and managing energy consumption. Accordingly, i= t > is my opinion that IETF does not need to take action to oppose or otherwi= se > challenge registration of iONA. > > I bring this to your attention because IETF at present does not have a > registration for IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual Property > Office) that we are aware of. This lack of a registration in the EU makes > it extremely difficult to challenge registration of any third-party mark = in > the EU. This situation raises the question of whether IETF should conside= r > obtaining registrations for IANA in the EU and elsewhere. Accordingly, > please let me know if IETF is interested in pursuing trademark protection > for IANA as it has for its IETF trademark. > > Best regards, > > *Ted* > *THEODORE D. LIENESCH | Partner | Thompson Hine LLP | 10050 Innovation > Drive | Suite 400 | Miamisburg | OH | 45342-4934* > *937-443-6958 <937-443-6958> (voice) | 937-443-6635 > <937-443-6635> (facsimile) | 937-477-6951 <937-477-6951>(mobile)* > > *Atlanta | Cincinnati | Cleveland | Columbus | Dayton | New York | > Washington, D.C.* > > > *This electronic message contains information that may be confidential, > privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is > intended to be used solely by the recipient(s) named. If you are not an > intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. = If > you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediatel= y > at Ted.Lienesch@thompsonhine.com .* > > > _______________________________________________ > CCG mailing list > CCG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccg > --0000000000002ffb36057c5fc7d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Speaking for myself, I am fully supportive of this a= ction and I agree with the rationale from counsel. From personal experience= , the costs are relatively modest, especially considering you get protectio= n across all the (currently) 27 EU member states (and any new joiners as we= ll).

By this email= , I request feedback from the rest of the CCG.

<= /div>
Best regards,

Greg

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 2:28 PM Portia Wenze-Danley <pwdanley@ietf.org> wrote:
All,

I have been contacted by our counsel, Thompso= n Hine, advising the Trust to consider registering IANA in the EUIPO (Europ= ean Union Intellectual Property Office). =C2=A0

(The bac= kground and details prompting the advise are below.)

I have shared this request with the Trustees who suggested I reach out t= o the CCG for your input before final consensus is met.

Thanks very much in advance and please let me know if you have questi= ons.=C2=A0 I look forward to your comments.
_______________________________= _
Portia Wenze-Danley
IETF Ad= ministration LLC Executive Director (Interim)
(Formerly=C2=A0IETF Administrative Director (IAD)
Internet Engineering Task Fo= rce (IETF)






Begin forwarded message:

From: "Lienesch, Ted" = <Ted.= Lienesch@thompsonhine.com>
Subject: Worldwide Trademark Watches = for IETF and IANA
= Date: December 5, 2018 at 2:45:32 PM EST
<= /div>
Dear Portia:
=C2=A0
As you may be aware, we have in place = worldwide trademark watches for third-party attempts to register trademarks= confusingly similar to IETF and IANA. These were commissioned by Ray. Whil= e there is a cost for the agency that develops the raw data that we pass th= rough to you, I do not charge for reviewing the results unless they report = a problematic trademark application.
= =C2=A0
Recently that search found a published tradema= rk application for =E2=80=9CiONA,=E2=80=9D owned by Innogy SE of Essen, Ger= many, for goods including =E2=80=9Cdata processing programs; computer softw= are applications; software.=E2=80=9D That mark is similar in appearance to = IANA because it differs from IANA in only one letter. Further, the aforemen= tioned items are broad enough to at least relate to your IANA services that= include monitoring and of domain names and addresses. However, when viewin= g the entirety of the goods and services listing for iONA, it becomes clear= that the services provided under that mark relate to monitoring and managi= ng energy consumption. Accordingly, it is my opinion that IETF does not nee= d to take action to oppose or otherwise challenge registration of iONA.<= /u>
=C2=A0
I bring this = to your attention because IETF at present does not have a registration for = IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual Property Office) that we are= aware of. This lack of a registration in the EU makes it extremely difficu= lt to challenge registration of any third-party mark in the EU. This situat= ion raises the question of whether IETF should consider obtaining registrat= ions for IANA in the EU and elsewhere. Accordingly, please let me know if I= ETF is interested in pursuing trademark protection for IANA as it has for i= ts IETF trademark.
=C2=A0
<= div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,san= s-serif">Best regards,
=C2=A0
Ted
THEODORE = D. LIENESCH | Partner | Thompson Hine LLP | 10050 Innovation Drive | Suite = 400 | Miamisburg | OH | 45342-4934
= 937-443-6958=C2=A0(voice) |=C2=A0937-= 443-6635=C2= =A0(facsimile) |=C2=A0937-477-6951(mobile)

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<0FADBB7E-4118-4826-ABC4-196E655AD92F@ietf.org> <2631618E-BE97-4B70-B921-2942BA46B352@sidn.nl> In-Reply-To: <2631618E-BE97-4B70-B921-2942BA46B352@sidn.nl> From: Greg Shatan Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 16:10:59 -0500 Message-ID: To: Maarten Simon Cc: Portia Wenze-Danley , "ccg@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0000000000001c9ca7057c60f041" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCG] Fwd: Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA X-BeenThere: ccg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IANA IPR Community Coordination Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 21:11:15 -0000 --0000000000001c9ca7057c60f041 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001c9ca6057c60f040" --0000000000001c9ca6057c60f040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We can encourage a long range strategy for greater protection, which is often done in stages. The mark is already protected in the US. EU is a common next step, often along with Canada, Japan, Hong Kong, China and Australia. Next would be some mix of Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Switzerland, New Zealand, India and Russia, and any specified target market. Truly global protection is a very significant project. Greg On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:01 PM Maarten Simon wrote: > I also fully support this suggestion but wonder if it wouldn=E2=80=99t be= more > logical for the IANA trademark to obtain full international coverage. Tha= t > may be quite costly but to only pick the EU (with one member about to > leave) seems a bit arbitrary. > > > > Best, > > > > Maarten > > > > *Van: *CCG namens Greg Shatan < > gregshatanipc@gmail.com> > *Datum: *donderdag 6 december 2018 om 20:48 > *Aan: *Portia Wenze-Danley > *CC: *"ccg@ietf.org" > *Onderwerp: *Re: [CCG] Fwd: Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA > > > > Speaking for myself, I am fully supportive of this action and I agree wit= h > the rationale from counsel. From personal experience, the costs are > relatively modest, especially considering you get protection across all t= he > (currently) 27 EU member states (and any new joiners as well). > > > > By this email, I request feedback from the rest of the CCG. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Greg > > > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 2:28 PM Portia Wenze-Danley > wrote: > > All, > > > > I have been contacted by our counsel, Thompson Hine, advising the Trust t= o > consider registering IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual > Property Office). > > > > (The background and details prompting the advise are below.) > > > > I have shared this request with the Trustees who suggested I reach out to > the CCG for your input before final consensus is met. > > > > Thanks very much in advance and please let me know if you have questions. > I look forward to your comments. > > ________________________________ > > *Portia Wenze-Danley* > > IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim) > > (*Formerly* IETF Administrative Director (IAD) > > Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) > > pwdanley@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > *From: *"Lienesch, Ted" > > *Subject: Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA* > > *Date: *December 5, 2018 at 2:45:32 PM EST > > *To: *"pwdanley@ietf.org" > > *Cc: *"Wilson, David" > > > > Dear Portia: > > > > As you may be aware, we have in place worldwide trademark watches for > third-party attempts to register trademarks confusingly similar to IETF a= nd > IANA. These were commissioned by Ray. While there is a cost for the agenc= y > that develops the raw data that we pass through to you, I do not charge f= or > reviewing the results unless they report a problematic trademark > application. > > > > Recently that search found a published trademark application for =E2=80= =9CiONA,=E2=80=9D > owned by Innogy SE of Essen, Germany, for goods including =E2=80=9Cdata p= rocessing > programs; computer software applications; software.=E2=80=9D That mark is= similar > in appearance to IANA because it differs from IANA in only one letter. > Further, the aforementioned items are broad enough to at least relate to > your IANA services that include monitoring and of domain names and > addresses. However, when viewing the entirety of the goods and services > listing for iONA, it becomes clear that the services provided under that > mark relate to monitoring and managing energy consumption. Accordingly, i= t > is my opinion that IETF does not need to take action to oppose or otherwi= se > challenge registration of iONA. > > > > I bring this to your attention because IETF at present does not have a > registration for IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual Property > Office) that we are aware of. This lack of a registration in the EU makes > it extremely difficult to challenge registration of any third-party mark = in > the EU. This situation raises the question of whether IETF should conside= r > obtaining registrations for IANA in the EU and elsewhere. Accordingly, > please let me know if IETF is interested in pursuing trademark protection > for IANA as it has for its IETF trademark. > > > > Best regards, > > > > *Ted* > > *THEODORE D. LIENESCH | Partner | Thompson Hine LLP | 10050 Innovation > Drive | Suite 400 | Miamisburg | OH | 45342 > -4934* > > *937-443-6958 <937-443-6958> (voice) | 937-443-6635 > <937-443-6635> (facsimile) | 937-477-6951 <937-477-6951>(mobile)* > > > * Atlanta | Cincinnati | Cleveland | Columbus | Dayton | New York | > Washington, D.C.* > > > [image: cid:167850b0014155f77111] > > *This electronic message contains information that may be confidential, > privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is > intended to be used solely by the recipient(s) named. If you are not an > intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is prohibited. = If > you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediatel= y > at Ted.Lienesch@thompsonhine.com .* > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCG mailing list > CCG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccg > > --0000000000001c9ca6057c60f040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We can encourage a long range strategy for greater p= rotection, which is often done in stages. The mark is already protected in = the US.=C2=A0 EU is a common next step, often along with Canada, Japan, Hon= g Kong, China and Australia.=C2=A0 Next would be some mix of Mexico, Argent= ina, Brazil, Switzerland, New Zealand, India and Russia, and any specified = target market.=C2=A0 Truly global protection is a very significant project.=

Greg
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:01 P= M Maarten Simon <maarten.simon@= sidn.nl> wrote:

I also fully support this sugge= stion but wonder if it wouldn=E2=80=99t be more logical for the IANA tradem= ark to obtain full international coverage. That may be quite costly but to = only pick the EU (with one member about to leave) seems a bit arbitrary.

=C2=A0

Best,

=C2=A0

Maarten

=C2=A0

Van:= CCG <ccg-bounces@ietf.org>= ; namens Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>
Datum: donderdag 6 december 2018 om 20:48
Aan: Portia Wenze-Danley <pwdanley@ietf.org>
CC: "ccg@ietf= .org" <ccg@ie= tf.org>
Onderwerp: Re: [CCG] Fwd: Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and I= ANA

=C2=A0

Speaking for myself, I am fully supportive of this a= ction and I agree with the rationale from counsel. From personal experience= , the costs are relatively modest, especially considering you get protectio= n across all the (currently) 27 EU member states (and any new joiners as well).

=C2=A0

By this email, I request feedback from the rest of t= he CCG.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

=C2=A0

Greg

=C2=A0

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 2:28 PM Portia Wenze-Danley &= lt;pwdanley@ietf.org= > wrote:

All,

=C2=A0

I have been contacted by our counsel, Thompson Hine,= advising the Trust to consider registering IANA in the EUIPO (European Uni= on Intellectual Property Office). =C2=A0

=C2=A0

(The background and details prompting the advise are= below.)

=C2=A0

I have shared this request with the Trustees who sug= gested I reach out to the CCG for your input before final consensus is met.=

=C2=A0

Thanks very much in advance and please let me know i= f you have questions.=C2=A0 I look forward to your comments.<= /p>

________________________________

Portia Wenze-Danley

IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim)

(Formerly=C2=A0IETF Administrative Direct= or (IAD)

Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /p>



Begin forwarded message:

=C2=A0

From: "Lienesch, Ted" <Ted.Lienesch@thompsonhine.com>

Subject: Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA<= /u>

Date: December 5, 2018 at 2:45:32 PM EST

Cc: "Wilson, David" <David.Wilson@thompsonhine.com><= u>

=C2=A0

Dear Portia:

=C2=A0

As you may be aware, we have in place worldwide trad= emark watches for third-party attempts to register trademarks confusingly s= imilar to IETF and IANA. These were commissioned by Ray. While there is a c= ost for the agency that develops the raw data that we pass through to you, I do not charge for reviewing the re= sults unless they report a problematic trademark application.=

=C2=A0

Recently that search found a published trademark app= lication for =E2=80=9CiONA,=E2=80=9D owned by Innogy SE of Essen, Germany, = for goods including =E2=80=9Cdata processing programs; computer software ap= plications; software.=E2=80=9D That mark is similar in appearance to IANA because it differs from IANA in only one letter. Further, the afor= ementioned items are broad enough to at least relate to your IANA services = that include monitoring and of domain names and addresses. However, when vi= ewing the entirety of the goods and services listing for iONA, it becomes clear that the services provided= under that mark relate to monitoring and managing energy consumption. Acco= rdingly, it is my opinion that IETF does not need to take action to oppose = or otherwise challenge registration of iONA.

=C2=A0

I bring this to your attention because IETF at prese= nt does not have a registration for IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intel= lectual Property Office) that we are aware of. This lack of a registration = in the EU makes it extremely difficult to challenge registration of any third-party mark in the EU. This situatio= n raises the question of whether IETF should consider obtaining registratio= ns for IANA in the EU and elsewhere. Accordingly, please let me know if IET= F is interested in pursuing trademark protection for IANA as it has for its IETF trademark.

=C2=A0

Best regards,

=C2=A0

Ted

THEODORE D. LIENESCH | Partner | Tho= mpson Hine LLP | 10050 Innovation Drive | Suite 400 | Miamisburg | OH | 45342-= 4934

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charset=utf-8 Thank Greg and Maarten. =20 Much appreciated. Please let me know when it is okay to report back to the Trust. Thanks again. ________________________________ Portia Wenze-Danley IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim) (Formerly IETF Administrative Director (IAD)=09 Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) pwdanley@ietf.org > On Dec 6, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Greg Shatan = wrote: >=20 > Speaking for myself, I am fully supportive of this action and I agree = with the rationale from counsel. =46rom personal experience, the costs = are relatively modest, especially considering you get protection across = all the (currently) 27 EU member states (and any new joiners as well). >=20 > By this email, I request feedback from the rest of the CCG. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Greg >=20 > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 2:28 PM Portia Wenze-Danley > wrote: > All, >=20 > I have been contacted by our counsel, Thompson Hine, advising the = Trust to consider registering IANA in the EUIPO (European Union = Intellectual Property Office). =20 >=20 > (The background and details prompting the advise are below.) >=20 > I have shared this request with the Trustees who suggested I reach out = to the CCG for your input before final consensus is met. >=20 > Thanks very much in advance and please let me know if you have = questions. I look forward to your comments. > ________________________________ > Portia Wenze-Danley > IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim) > (Formerly IETF Administrative Director (IAD)=09 > Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) > pwdanley@ietf.org >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: "Lienesch, Ted" > >> Subject: Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA >> Date: December 5, 2018 at 2:45:32 PM EST >> To: "pwdanley@ietf.org " > >> Cc: "Wilson, David" > >>=20 >> Dear Portia: >> =20 >> As you may be aware, we have in place worldwide trademark watches for = third-party attempts to register trademarks confusingly similar to IETF = and IANA. These were commissioned by Ray. While there is a cost for the = agency that develops the raw data that we pass through to you, I do not = charge for reviewing the results unless they report a problematic = trademark application. >> =20 >> Recently that search found a published trademark application for = =E2=80=9CiONA,=E2=80=9D owned by Innogy SE of Essen, Germany, for goods = including =E2=80=9Cdata processing programs; computer software = applications; software.=E2=80=9D That mark is similar in appearance to = IANA because it differs from IANA in only one letter. Further, the = aforementioned items are broad enough to at least relate to your IANA = services that include monitoring and of domain names and addresses. = However, when viewing the entirety of the goods and services listing for = iONA, it becomes clear that the services provided under that mark relate = to monitoring and managing energy consumption. Accordingly, it is my = opinion that IETF does not need to take action to oppose or otherwise = challenge registration of iONA. >> =20 >> I bring this to your attention because IETF at present does not have = a registration for IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual = Property Office) that we are aware of. This lack of a registration in = the EU makes it extremely difficult to challenge registration of any = third-party mark in the EU. This situation raises the question of = whether IETF should consider obtaining registrations for IANA in the EU = and elsewhere. Accordingly, please let me know if IETF is interested in = pursuing trademark protection for IANA as it has for its IETF trademark. >> =20 >> Best regards, >> =20 >> Ted >> THEODORE D. LIENESCH | Partner | Thompson Hine LLP | 10050 Innovation = Drive | Suite 400 | Miamisburg | OH | 45342-4934 >> 937-443-6958 (voice) | 937-443-6635 = (facsimile) | 937-477-6951 (mobile) >>=20 >> Atlanta | Cincinnati | Cleveland | Columbus | Dayton | New York | = Washington, D.C. >>=20 >> >>=20 >> This electronic message contains information that may be = confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. The = information is intended to be used solely by the recipient(s) named. If = you are not an intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, = copying, distribution or use of this transmission or its contents is = prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please = notify me immediately at Ted.Lienesch@thompsonhine.com = . >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCG mailing list > CCG@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccg = --Apple-Mail=_146FBA19-5F0C-40BB-818C-34F57B994BF8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thank= Greg and Maarten.  

Much appreciated.

Please let me know when it is okay to = report back to the Trust.

Thanks again.
________________________________
Portia Wenze-Danley
IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim)
(Formerly IETF Administrative = Director (IAD)
Internet = Engineering Task Force (IETF)







On Dec 6, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> wrote:

Speaking for myself, I am fully supportive of = this action and I agree with the rationale from counsel. =46rom personal = experience, the costs are relatively modest, especially considering you = get protection across all the (currently) 27 EU member states (and any = new joiners as well).

By this email, I request = feedback from the rest of the CCG.

Best regards,

Greg

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at = 2:28 PM Portia Wenze-Danley <pwdanley@ietf.org> wrote:
All,

I = have been contacted by our counsel, Thompson Hine, advising the Trust to = consider registering IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual = Property Office).  

(The background and details prompting the advise are = below.)

I have = shared this request with the Trustees who suggested I reach out to the = CCG for your input before final consensus is met.
Thanks very much in advance and please = let me know if you have questions.  I look forward to your = comments.
________________________________
Portia = Wenze-Danley
IETF Administration LLC Executive = Director (Interim)
(Formerly IETF = Administrative Director (IAD) =
Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
pwdanley@ietf.org







Begin forwarded message:

From: "Lienesch, Ted" <Ted.Lienesch@thompsonhine.com>
Subject: Worldwide Trademark = Watches for IETF and IANA
Date: December 5, 2018 at 2:45:32 PM = EST
To: "pwdanley@ietf.org" <pwdanley@ietf.org>
Cc: "Wilson, David" <David.Wilson@thompsonhine.com>

Dear = Portia:
 
As = you may be aware, we have in place worldwide trademark watches for = third-party attempts to register trademarks confusingly similar to IETF = and IANA. These were commissioned by Ray. While there is a cost for the = agency that develops the raw data that we pass through to you, I do not = charge for reviewing the results unless they report a problematic = trademark application.
 
Recently that search found a published trademark application = for =E2=80=9CiONA,=E2=80=9D owned by Innogy SE of Essen, Germany, for = goods including =E2=80=9Cdata processing programs; computer software = applications; software.=E2=80=9D That mark is similar in appearance to = IANA because it differs from IANA in only one letter. Further, the = aforementioned items are broad enough to at least relate to your IANA = services that include monitoring and of domain names and addresses. = However, when viewing the entirety of the goods and services listing for = iONA, it becomes clear that the services provided under that mark relate = to monitoring and managing energy consumption. Accordingly, it is my = opinion that IETF does not need to take action to oppose or otherwise = challenge registration of iONA.
 
I = bring this to your attention because IETF at present does not have a = registration for IANA in the EUIPO (European Union Intellectual Property = Office) that we are aware of. This lack of a registration in the EU = makes it extremely difficult to challenge registration of any = third-party mark in the EU. This situation raises the question of = whether IETF should consider obtaining registrations for IANA in the EU = and elsewhere. Accordingly, please let me know if IETF is interested in = pursuing trademark protection for IANA as it has for its IETF = trademark.
 
Best regards,
 
Ted
THEODORE D. LIENESCH | Partner | Thompson Hine LLP | 10050 = Innovation Drive | Suite 400 | Miamisburg | OH | 45342-4934
937-443-6958 (voice)= | 937-443-6635 (facsim= ile) | 937-477-6951(mobile)

Atlanta | Cincinnati | Cleveland | Columbus | = Dayton | New York | Washington, D.C.


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This electronic message contains information that may be = confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure.  = The information is intended to be used solely by the recipient(s) = named.  If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that any = review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this transmission or = its contents is prohibited.  If you have received this transmission = in error, please notify me immediately at Ted.Lienesch@thompsonhine.com.
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Mail 12.1 \(3445.101.1\)) From: Alan Barrett In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 11:31:53 +0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0FADBB7E-4118-4826-ABC4-196E655AD92F@ietf.org> <2631618E-BE97-4B70-B921-2942BA46B352@sidn.nl> To: "ccg@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.101.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCG] Worldwide Trademark Watches for IETF and IANA X-BeenThere: ccg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IANA IPR Community Coordination Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 07:32:07 -0000 The NRO supports expansion of the IANA-related trademark registrations = to the EU, and possible future expansion to other jurisdictions, as has = been suggested by others in this discussion. Regards, Alan Barrett Secretary, NRO