From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Tue Sep 4 14:27:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E6F21E80A1; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.568 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nX-pdp0UnUJf; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE8921E80AB; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120904212726.12420.84227.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 14:27:26 -0700 Cc: cdni chair , cdni mailing list , RFC Editor Subject: [CDNi] Document Action: 'Use Cases for Content Delivery Network Interconnection' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-cdni-use-cases-10.txt) X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:27:27 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Use Cases for Content Delivery Network Interconnection' (draft-ietf-cdni-use-cases-10.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Content Delivery Networks Interconnection Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Martin Stiemerling and Wesley Eddy. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cdni-use-cases/ Technical Summary Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) are commonly used for improving the End User experience of a content delivery service, at a reasonable cost. This document focuses on use cases that correspond to identified industry needs and that are expected to be realized once open interfaces and protocols supporting interconnection of CDNs are specified and implemented. The document can be used to guide the definition of the requirements to be supported by CDN Interconnection (CDNI) interfaces. It obsoletes RFC 3570. Working Group Summary There was strong consensus in the CDNI WG to publish this document to document the use cases to be supported by the deliverables of the working group. Document Quality Despite many existing CDN implementations, there are no implementations of CDN interconnection that support the use cases presented in this document. Many CDN technology vendors and service providers are interested in supporting and deploying the use cases discussed in this document. Personnel Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch@cisco.com) is the Document Shepherd. Martin Stiemerling (martin.stiemerling@neclab.eu) is the Responsible Area Director. From ramk@Brocade.com Sat Sep 8 07:35:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CC521F858F for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 07:35:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.264 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.264 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sB5Uqgqcjxe8 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 07:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-000f0801.pphosted.com (mx0a-000f0801.pphosted.com [67.231.144.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A635521F8587 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 07:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0000542 [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-000f0801.pphosted.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q88EZVN7002760; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 07:35:31 -0700 Received: from hq1wp-exchub02.corp.brocade.com ([144.49.131.13]) by mx0a-000f0801.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 1772m2s104-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:35:30 -0700 Received: from HQ1WP-EXHUB01.corp.brocade.com (10.70.36.14) by hq1wp-exchub02.corp.brocade.com (10.70.38.99) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 07:35:30 -0700 Received: from HQ1-EXCH01.corp.brocade.com ([fe80::ed42:173e:fe7d:d0a6]) by HQ1WP-EXHUB01.corp.brocade.com ([::1]) with mapi; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 07:35:29 -0700 From: ramki Krishnan To: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" , "cdni@ietf.org" Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 07:35:24 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN Interconnections Thread-Index: AQHNcYlNeF7QHEEcLkW9PRj8nifKlZdIhfWAgCldSjCACq1z0IAEKhnw Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C7634EB63EFD984A978DFB46EA5174F2BD6D6D69F0HQ1EXCH01corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-09-08_05:2012-09-06, 2012-09-08, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=81 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1207200000 definitions=main-1209080125 Cc: "'Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com'" <'Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com'>, "'li.mian@zte.com.cn'" <'li.mian@zte.com.cn'>, "Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN Interconnections X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 14:35:37 -0000 --_000_C7634EB63EFD984A978DFB46EA5174F2BD6D6D69F0HQ1EXCH01corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Thanks for the comments so far. A latest version of the draft is posted at = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail/. Kindly revi= ew and comment. thanks, ramki From: ramki Krishnan Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:59 PM To: 'Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)' Cc: 'Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn'; 'li.mian@zte.com.cn'; 'Richard_Woundy@c= able.comcast.com' Subject: FW: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN Interc= onnections Hi Francois, A gentle reminder ... kindly review and comment at your earliest convenienc= e. Thanks, ramki From: ramki Krishnan Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:07 PM To: 'Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)' Cc: Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn; 'li.= mian@zte.com.cn'; 'Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com' Subject: RE: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN Interc= onnections Hi Francois, Please find updated draft attached. For convenience, I have described inlin= e the Metadata interface requirements and Request routing interface changes= . Metadata interface requirement The CDNI Metadata Distribution interface shall provide indication by the do= wnstream CDN (dCDN) to the upstream CDN (uCDN) whether the content should b= e cached or not cached in the dCDN. This information should be on a per URL= basis. The default behavior would be to cache the content in the dCDN Referring to the example in Fig. 2, Section 3 [I-D.ietf-cdni-framework]; it= shows Operator A as the uCDN and Operator B as the dCDN, where the former = has a relationship with a content provider and the latter being the best CD= N to deliver content to the end-user. Referring to the HTTP example in Fig.= 3, Section 3.2 [I-D.ietf-cdni-framework]; Request routing interface changes Step 2: A Request Router for Operator A processes the HTTP request. The HTT= P URL metadata is looked up in a metadata database. For long tail personali= zed content, the metadata database lookup result indicates that the content= should not be cached by the dCDN. The Request Router for Operator A recogn= izes that the end-user is best served by the uCDN without any caching the i= n dCDN and returns a 302 redirect message with the URL of Operator A delive= ry node. The end-user proceeds to retrieve the data from Operator A deliver= y node. Thanks, ramki From: Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) [mailto:flefauch@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:15 AM To: ramki Krishnan Cc: Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch); cdni@ietf.org; K= evin J Ma; Ram Krishnan; Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn Subject: Re: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN Interc= onnections On 3 Aug 2012, at 17:04, ramki Krishnan wrote: Hi Kevin, Thanks a lot for your comments. Please see response below Kevin: >>Wrt CDNI, what is it that draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00 is proposing? >>The CDNI requirements (specifically META-14) already discuss distribution= control policies, including preventing delegation. Beyond the ability to = >>prevent delegation, are you proposing that CDNs be required to implement = analytics-based delegation policies? That seems somewhat beyond our scope. Ramki: The CDNi req META-14 is about the selection of dCDN, but what long tail dra= ft is proposing is the selection of uCDN the selection of uCDN by whom? based on the content attribute, i.e. whether the content is long tail perso= nalized or not. The long tail draft also brings in the concept of no cachin= g in the uCDN The intra-CDN decision of the uCDN to cache or not is generally outside the= scope of CDNI. We are not disagreeing that the uCDN may elect to not cache= some content (and in that case to not redirect to a dCDN), but this does n= ot seem directly related to CDNI. and dCDN for certain types of content based on the content attribute, for e= .g. long tail personalized content. The impacts of this on CDNi request rou= ting is also explained. Can you summarize again very briefly the interaction you see between the de= sire to not cache some content and the CDNI interfaces? (when discussing Re= quest Routing, please separate the impact you see on the Request Routing/Re= direction interface vs Request Routing/Footprint & Cap Interface). Thanks Thanks, ramki From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:55 AM To: cdni@ietf.org Cc: Ram Krishnan; ramki Krishnan; li.mian@zte.com.cn Subject: Fwd: Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN Interconnect= ions FYI.. looking for comments and suggestions on delivery of the most popular to long tail personalized content over CDNI. This document presents the issues and suggests solutions in delivering long= tail personalized content in CDN Interconnection scenarios. Thanks a lot. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ++++++++++++++++++++ I-D Action: draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00.txt ________________________________ * To: i-d-announce at ietf.org * Subject: I-D Action: draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00.txt * From: internet-drafts at ietf.org * Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:49:30 -0700 * Delivered-to: i-d-announce at ietfa.amsl.com * List-archive: * List-help: * List-id: Internet Draft Announcements only > * List-post: * List-subscribe: , = * List-unsubscribe: ,= * Reply-to: internet-drafts at ietf.org ________________________________ A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections Author(s) : Ram Krishnan Mian Li Bhumip Khasnabish Filename : draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2012-07-30 Abstract: The content desire of users is evolving from most popular to long tail personalized content. This document presents the issues and suggests solutions in delivering long tail personalized content in CDN Interconnection scenarios. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CDNi mailing list CDNi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni --_000_C7634EB63EFD984A978DFB46EA5174F2BD6D6D69F0HQ1EXCH01corp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

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Thanks for the comments so far. A latest version of the draft is po= sted at http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail/. Kindly review and comment.

 

thanks, ramki

 

From: ramki Krishnan
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012= 3:59 PM
To: 'Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)'
Cc: 'Bhu= mip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn'; 'li.mian@zte.com.cn'; 'Richard_Woundy@cable.com= cast.com'
Subject: FW: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content deli= very over CDN Interconnections

 

Hi Francois,<= /o:p>

 

A gentle reminder … kindly review and comment at= your earliest convenience.

=  

Thanks, ramki

 

From: ramki Krishnan
Sent: Wednesday, = August 29, 2012 9:07 PM
To: 'Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)'
= Cc: Bhumip.Khasnabis= h@zte.com.cn; 'li.mian@zte.com.cn'; 'Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com'<= br>Subject: RE: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over = CDN Interconnections

=  

Hi Francois,

 

Please find updated draft attached. For convenience, I have desc= ribed inline the Metadata interface requirements and Request routing interf= ace changes.

 

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d or not cached in the dCDN. This information should be on a per URL basis.=
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Referring to the example in Fig. 2, Section 3 =
[I-D.ietf-cdni-framework]; it shows Oper=
ator A as the uCDN and Operator B as the dCDN, where the former has a relat=
ionship with a content provider and the latter being the best CDN to delive=
r content to the end-user. Referring to the HTTP example in Fig. 3, Section=
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hould not be cached by the dCDN. The Request Router for Operator A recogniz=
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dCDN and returns a 302 redirect message with the URL of Operator A delivery=
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node.

 

Thanks, ramki

 

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From: Francois = Le Faucheur (flefauch) [mailto:flefau= ch@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:15 AM
To= : ramki Krishnan
Cc: Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch); cdni@ietf.org; Kevin J Ma; Ram Krishnan; Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn
Subject: Re: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery ove= r CDN Interconnections

 

 

 = ;

=

the selection of uCDN by whom?

 

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based on the content attribute, i.e. whether the content is long tai= l personalized or not. The long tail draft also brings in the concept of no= caching in the uCDN

 

The intra-CDN de= cision of the uCDN to cache or not is generally outside the scope of CDNI. = We are not disagreeing that the uCDN may elect to not cache some content (a= nd in that case to not redirect to a dCDN), but this does not seem directly= related to CDNI.

 =

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and dCDN for certain types of content based on the content attribute= , for e.g. long tail personalized content. The impacts of this on CDNi requ= est routing is also explained. 

 

Can you summarize ag= ain very briefly the interaction you see between the desire to not cache so= me content and the CDNI interfaces? (when discussing Request Routing, pleas= e separate the impact you see on the Request Routing/Redirection interface = vs Request Routing/Footprint & Cap Interface).

 

= Thanks

 

 

Thanks, ramki

 

From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com] 
Sent:&nbs= p;Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:55 AM
To: cdni@ietf.org<= /a>
Cc: Ram Krish= nan; ramki Krishnan; li.mian@zte.com.cn
Subject: Fwd: Long Tail personalized = content delivery over CDN Interconnections

 

 

<= span style=3D'color:#000099'>FYI.. looking for comments and suggestions on = delivery of

the most popular to long tail personalized c= ontent over CDNI.

 

This document presents the issues and suggests so= lutions in delivering long tail

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personalized content in = CDN Interconnection scenarios. Thanks a lot.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line In=
ternet-Drafts directories.
 
 
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   The content desire of users is evolving from =
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   CDN Interconnection scenarios.
 
 
The IETF dat=
atracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail=

 
There's also a htmlized versio=
n available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/h=
tml/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00
 
 
Internet-Drafts are also availab=
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= --_000_C7634EB63EFD984A978DFB46EA5174F2BD6D6D69F0HQ1EXCH01corp_-- From ben@niven-jenkins.co.uk Sat Sep 8 09:45:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2936D21F8570 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 09:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4jZik0ojNptr for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 09:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C196F21F8533 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2012 09:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpc4-cmbg17-2-0-cust814.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.14.227.47] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by mail10.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TAO9S-0008PD-AL; Sat, 08 Sep 2012 17:44:58 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 17:44:48 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: ramki Krishnan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Cc: cdni@ietf.org, Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn Subject: Re: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN Interconnections X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:45:02 -0000 Ramki, On 8 Sep 2012, at 15:35, ramki Krishnan wrote: > All, > =20 > Thanks for the comments so far. A latest version of the draft is = posted athttp://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail/. = Kindly review and comment. It is not clear to me what the draft is trying to articulate or the real = problem it is trying to describe. It starts by describing a problem case where long tail personalised = content is not cacheable but then goes on to describe requirements to = enable a dCDN to indicate to a uCDN which URLs the dCDN won't bother to = cache. I don't really see how the first leads to the second, i.e. how is the = dCDN supposed to know a given URL is "long tail personalised" and = therefore uncacheable?=20 Furthermore it is not clear to me why "long tail personalised" content = is a special case. What about "short tail personalised" content? I think you need to better describe the underlying problem/use case you = are trying to solve before starting to define additional requirements to = place on the CDNI specifications. Ben > =20 > thanks, ramki > =20 > From: ramki Krishnan=20 > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:59 PM > To: 'Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)' > Cc: 'Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn'; = 'li.mian@zte.com.cn';'Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com' > Subject: FW: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections > =20 > Hi Francois, > =20 > A gentle reminder =85 kindly review and comment at your earliest = convenience. > =20 > Thanks, ramki > =20 > From: ramki Krishnan=20 > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:07 PM > To: 'Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)' > Cc: Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn; = 'li.mian@zte.com.cn';'Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com' > Subject: RE: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections > =20 > Hi Francois, > =20 > Please find updated draft attached. For convenience, I have described = inline the Metadata interface requirements and Request routing interface = changes. > =20 > Metadata interface requirement=20 > The CDNI Metadata Distribution interface shall provide indication by = the downstream CDN (dCDN) to the upstream CDN (uCDN) whether the content = should be cached or not cached in the dCDN. This information should be = on a per URL basis. The default behavior would be to cache the content = in the dCDN > =20 > Referring to the example in Fig. 2, Section 3 = [I-D.ietf-cdni-framework]; it shows Operator A as the uCDN and Operator = B as the dCDN, where the former has a relationship with a content = provider and the latter being the best CDN to deliver content to the = end-user. Referring to the HTTP example in Fig. 3, Section 3.2 = [I-D.ietf-cdni-framework];=20 > Request routing interface changes=20 > Step 2: A Request Router for Operator A processes the HTTP request. = The HTTP URL metadata is looked up in a metadata database. For long tail = personalized content, the metadata database lookup result indicates that = the content should not be cached by the dCDN. The Request Router for = Operator A recognizes that the end-user is best served by the uCDN = without any caching the in dCDN and returns a 302 redirect message with = the URL of Operator A delivery node. The end-user proceeds to retrieve = the data from Operator A delivery node. > =20 > Thanks, ramki > =20 > =20 > From: Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) [mailto:flefauch@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:15 AM > To: ramki Krishnan > Cc: Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch); cdni@ietf.org; Kevin J Ma; Ram = Krishnan;Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn > Subject: Re: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections > =20 > =20 > On 3 Aug 2012, at 17:04, ramki Krishnan wrote: > =20 >=20 > Hi Kevin, > =20 > Thanks a lot for your comments. Please see response below > =20 > Kevin: > >>Wrt CDNI, what is it that draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00 is = proposing? > >>The CDNI requirements (specifically META-14) already discuss = distribution control policies, including preventing delegation. Beyond = the ability to >>prevent delegation, are you proposing that CDNs be = required to implement analytics-based delegation policies? That seems = somewhat beyond our scope. > =20 > Ramki: > The CDNi req META-14 is about the selection of dCDN, but what long = tail draft is proposing is the selection of uCDN > =20 > the selection of uCDN by whom? > =20 >=20 > based on the content attribute, i.e. whether the content is long tail = personalized or not. The long tail draft also brings in the concept of = no caching in the uCDN > =20 > The intra-CDN decision of the uCDN to cache or not is generally = outside the scope of CDNI. We are not disagreeing that the uCDN may = elect to not cache some content (and in that case to not redirect to a = dCDN), but this does not seem directly related to CDNI. > =20 > and dCDN for certain types of content based on the content attribute, = for e.g. long tail personalized content. The impacts of this on CDNi = request routing is also explained.=20 > =20 > Can you summarize again very briefly the interaction you see between = the desire to not cache some content and the CDNI interfaces? (when = discussing Request Routing, please separate the impact you see on the = Request Routing/Redirection interface vs Request Routing/Footprint & Cap = Interface). > =20 > Thanks > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks, ramki > =20 > From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:55 AM > To: cdni@ietf.org > Cc: Ram Krishnan; ramki Krishnan; li.mian@zte.com.cn > Subject: Fwd: Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections > =20 > =20 > FYI.. looking for comments and suggestions on delivery of > the most popular to long tail personalized content over CDNI. > =20 > This document presents the issues and suggests solutions in delivering = long tail > personalized content in CDN Interconnection scenarios. Thanks a lot. >=20 > = ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= +++++++++++++++++++++ > I-D Action: draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00.txt >=20 > =95 To: i-d-announce at ietf.org > =95 Subject: I-D Action: draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00.txt > =95 From: internet-drafts at ietf.org > =95 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:49:30 -0700 > =95 Delivered-to: i-d-announce at ietfa.amsl.com > =95 List-archive: = > =95 List-help: = > =95 List-id: Internet Draft Announcements only = > =95 List-post: > =95 List-subscribe: = , = > =95 List-unsubscribe: = , = > =95 Reply-to: internet-drafts at ietf.org > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > =20 > =20 > Title : Long Tail personalized content delivery over = CDN Interconnections > Author(s) : Ram Krishnan > Mian Li > Bhumip Khasnabish > Filename : draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2012-07-30 > =20 > Abstract: > The content desire of users is evolving from most popular to long > tail personalized content. This document presents the issues and > suggests solutions in delivering long tail personalized content in > CDN Interconnection scenarios. > =20 > =20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail > =20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00 > =20 > =20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni > =20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From flefauch@cisco.com Mon Sep 10 04:48:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08F221F851B for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:48:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4IX594CkpzIK for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4708121F8508 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:48:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=787; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1347277724; x=1348487324; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=3vr3aCkUmdTg9qsmX5dxUY9S8H3iBTLkZPHSD5aFuW8=; b=dMDYMYq/0l1jgkFGDC8ssCRfAvS40YgflIPjpKUXQI1sinFiB3Rl0LIg zvmdUQTVa+kURwyJv6TOykDA304ca/4fVssPhtGDiFl0Us1lxvJf2Y/je AfZ84aT9qLFheVIFVIqiEtwb91dFki686KH33vTrF6gVa5mIfNcTbZI5p w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFAGnSTVCtJXG//2dsb2JhbABFhUC2AYEHgiABAQEDAQEBAQ8BJzQLBQsCAT4QJwslAgQOBQkZh2gGC5p1n2WLE4VWYAOVXY42gWeCZg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,396,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="116944678" Received: from rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com ([173.37.113.191]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2012 11:48:44 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com [173.36.12.86]) by rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8ABmhin021136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:48:43 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.15.216]) by xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com ([173.36.12.86]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:48:43 -0500 From: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" To: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" Thread-Topic: IETF-84 CDNI final Minutes posted Thread-Index: AQHNj0o6LpSCirpXFU2j9EjG2YPYUA== Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:48:42 +0000 Message-ID: <1171925F-2379-4B57-9DF4-9BBA9B3D4753@cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.55.161.195] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19174.005 x-tm-as-result: No--30.408200-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7212D4F72D7A2F49B6E3C0D66C3FED23@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: [CDNi] IETF-84 CDNI final Minutes posted X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:48:45 -0000 Hello, The minutes posted at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/minutes/minutes-84= -cdni are now the final minutes. Cheers Francois & Rich On 10 Aug 2012, at 10:59, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) wrote: > Hi, >=20 > The draft minutes of our CDNI WG meetings during IETF-84 have been posted= :=20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/minutes/minutes-84-cdni > Please send your comments/corrections as needed. >=20 > Thanks again to our scribe Gilles for taking notes during the meeting. >=20 > The complete audio recording of the two sessions are available from: > http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf84/ >=20 > Francois & Rich > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From flefauch@cisco.com Mon Sep 10 04:59:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE71F21F8593 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4sL3THvjD8SX for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0D821F85A8 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5864; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1347278347; x=1348487947; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=a9X1Qg5/dnNjzrrsgkivrhUZHhZqdh6a6kLZ6UJeXGo=; b=cIDQ2YZTD8rV8sryRV7rW1uazPb3kfbw959Q5JTnC1pZTq9/HHyDoIip nyEhR7pa1AezU9ABYpx4UJZ5bXRqQe6CSITSI92oZPHRI101XluQx0DI1 XAxngYmST8jZr7RdTl0/n5SOdXv1dpAIz4XhNV18VJKKN0S+MPtchY/O9 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAPXUTVCtJV2c/2dsb2JhbABFu0GBB4IgAQEBAwEBAQEPASc0EAsCAQgRAwECAR4QJwsUCQgCBAESCRIHh2gGC5p4n2SLExWFQWADlV2BFIoEgx6BZ4JmgVs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,396,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="116947154" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2012 11:59:06 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com [173.37.183.83]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8ABx6Rf027388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:59:06 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.15.216]) by xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([173.37.183.83]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 06:59:06 -0500 From: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" To: "draft-ietf-cdni-framework@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-cdni-requirements@tools.ietf.org" , "cdni@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Vancouver decisions on CDNI and HTTP Adaptive Bitrate Streaming (HAS) Thread-Index: AQHNj0ut3BZwsrPC7EWuEhTYZ9eZAw== Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:59:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9126EAC0-7765-4FE4-B9BF-75F9FFAED39C@cisco.com> References: <20120713124933.24842.61000.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <14907C1F-86BA-48D9-BB58-3157B42CF01B@cisco.com> <47324E59-83EB-4904-A33A-0DA8306DE613@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <47324E59-83EB-4904-A33A-0DA8306DE613@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.55.161.195] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19174.005 x-tm-as-result: No--40.288500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CDNi] Vancouver decisions on CDNI and HTTP Adaptive Bitrate Streaming (HAS) X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:59:08 -0000 All, The Vancouver WG decision to move ahead along the recommendations detailed = in draft-brandenburg-cdni-has-03.txt (wrt to HAS) is now considered final. To cdni-framework editors and cdni-requirements editors, Please ensure that the next version of these documents is brought in full a= lignment with this decision. Cheers Francois & Rich On 10 Aug 2012, at 11:57, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) wrote: > Folks, >=20 > As documented in the draft minutes of the Vancouver CDNI meeting, based o= n the corresponding "Hum test", we have established a tentative WG decision= to move ahead along the recommendations detailed in draft-brandenburg-cdni= -has-03.txt. This decision will be considered final unless we hear substant= iated arguments against it on the list by the end of the month. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Francois & Rich >=20 >=20 > On 23 Jul 2012, at 13:14, Francois Le Faucheur wrote: >=20 >> Folks, >>=20 >> In line with the approach agreed in Paris, a lot of work has gone since = into analysing the options for how the different CDNI interfaces could/shou= ld handle HTTP Adaptive Bitrate Streaming (HAS) and in documenting this ana= lysis as well as recommendations to facilitate WG decisions. This includes = the work of the extended design team that held three virtual meetings since= Paris, as well as the work from Ray (and co-authors) in revving up draft-b= randenburg-cdni-has multiple times accordingly. >>=20 >> Our objective for Vancouver is to reach tentative agreement on how the d= ifferent CDNI interfaces are to handle HAS. To maximise our chances of succ= ess, we'd like to request that people who want to contribute into that disc= ussion do read draft-brandenburg-cdni-has-03 before Vancouver, and engage i= nto as much clarification/discussion as possible on the list before Vancouv= er. >>=20 >> In Vancouver, Ray and co-authors will give a brief recap of the options,= their pros-and-cons and of the recommendations, in order to try bring ever= yone up to speed. But it is a complex topic, with a lot of subtle ramificat= ions, and we feel the only way to have a constructive discussion in a const= rain timeslot is if everyone shares a similar base level of terminology/und= erstanding. This is why we request that people be familar with the latest v= ersion of draft-brandenburg-cdni-has (ie -03). >>=20 >> Note that for each of the dimensions analysed in draft-brandenburg-cdni-= has, there is a subsection highlighing the recommendations for that dimensi= on (specifically sections 3.1.3, 3.2.3, 3.3.3 , 3.4.3 and 3.5.9). >>=20 >> In the context of that discussion, I would also like everyone to keep in= mind the following statement from our charter: >> " >> The CDNI WG aims at delivering a targeted, deployable solution in a shor= t timeframe (18-24 months) as needed by the industry. >> " >> and the related guiding principle followed by the extended design team: >> " >> we have a strong motivation to develop first what is REQUIRED to make HA= S work. We need to focus on fundamentals to make HAS work vs how to use CDN= -I to make things work better. >> " >>=20 >> Remember also that, once it has delivered a first set of CDNI interfaces= , it is possible for the CDNI WG to propose to recharter in order to develo= p extensions for more advanced functionality. So the HAS decisions that the= WG will make now only conditions what is to be included in the deliverable= s against the initial charter, it does not limit what might be supported by= CDNI interfaces in the future. >>=20 >> Looking forward to discussing CDNI support for HAS in Vancouver or on th= e list before. >>=20 >> Cheers >>=20 >> Francois & Rich >>=20 >>=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >>> From: >>> Subject: I-D Action: draft-brandenburg-cdni-has-03.txt >>> Date: 13 July 2012 14:49:33 CEST >>> To: >>> Reply-To: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Title : Models for adaptive-streaming-aware CDN Interconnect= ion >>> Author(s) : Ray van Brandenburg >>> Oskar van Deventer >>> Francois Le Faucheur >>> Kent Leung >>> Filename : draft-brandenburg-cdni-has-03.txt >>> Pages : 43 >>> Date : 2012-07-13 >>>=20 >>> Abstract: >>> This documents presents thoughts on the potential impact of >>> supporting HTTP Adaptive Streaming technologies in CDN >>> Interconnection scenarios. Our intent is to spur discussion on how >>> the different CDNI interfaces could, and should, deal with content >>> delivered using adaptive streaming technologies and to facilitate >>> working group decisions. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-brandenburg-cdni-has >>>=20 >>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brandenburg-cdni-has-03 >>>=20 >>> A diff from previous version is available at: >>> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-brandenburg-cdni-has-03 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> I-D-Announce mailing list >>> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >>> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >>> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From flefauch@cisco.com Mon Sep 10 05:15:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894D121F865F for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 05:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SsWeP8PTN7ZP for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 05:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B560E21F8627 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 05:15:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=368; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1347279341; x=1348488941; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=wpVcKRPZ2AOS3IVfFEu/YvTeHp3Hnpiv0L8d1AdWiF8=; b=NUZ/r8/LI5syojPQIxBT643CO3VvIdf4md5HuuVPAUGDAkeMF3+kPI9W A9+Mx1YWBCci2wnMPgrA2/l5nYaWSQNHNQ4HyWkrNubj0q9s0dSEs+J2g H97gLxFjUzYp9XHbUEw6924uQ0HLPvieMNyHj4HPsthVfjJPyrEDEwR3Q w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAKrZTVCtJV2a/2dsb2JhbABFu0GBB4InEgEnUQE+QicENYdumVOBKJ9pkGlgA5VdjjaBZ4Jm X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,398,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="119984663" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Sep 2012 12:15:41 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com [173.36.12.86]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8ACFfr4004944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:15:41 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.15.216]) by xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com ([173.36.12.86]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:15:41 -0500 From: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" To: "cdni@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 as a Working Group document Thread-Index: AQHNj03+Jcz2VyxSyUWUI5pLKh6Klg== Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:15:40 +0000 Message-ID: <5E18533C-035B-40D7-BA87-7415D24CE033@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.55.161.195] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19174.005 x-tm-as-result: No--26.465600-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5D89018A7E4F81489A55B252DF87AF3E@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [CDNi] Adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 as a Working Group document X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:15:42 -0000 Folks, As per the minutes, we established in Vancouver that there was "good suppo= rt for the adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 draft as a WG document,= and no objection" and we considered this as a tentative decision. Unless we hear objection on this list within the next 2 weeks, we'll consid= er this decision final. 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score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DHiWFpo0vVGq for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A2921F84D7 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp50-95-224-81.hil-denswgi.den.wayport.net ([50.95.224.81]) by mail11.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBgaD-0003fy-O1; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:37:59 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:37:45 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <094FC146-122E-4843-B555-A174BD11E377@niven-jenkins.co.uk> References: To: ramki Krishnan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" , "Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN Interconnection X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:38:03 -0000 Ramki, On 11 Sep 2012, at 18:15, ramki Krishnan wrote: > Hi Ben,=20 > =20 > Thanks for the comments.=20 > =20 > The feedback from the team so far was that the concept of long tail = personalized vs most popular (the technical term for short tail is most = popular) was quite clear; folks wanted to see more on the CDNI = requirements such a type of content would generate.=20 > =20 > The following link gives you a good background on long tail = personalized content;http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/tail.html=20= > In summary, long tail personalized content is something which = potentially is of interest to only a few people. Examples are = documentaries, very old movies etc. In contrast, most popular content is = of interest to a lot people. Examples are latest movies, latest catch-up = episodes etc.=20 I see. I find your use of the term "long tail personalized" confusing. What you describe is what I know as "long tail" content (i.e. less = popular/niche/etc). Personalized to me implies the content itself is personalized for some = subset of consumers of the content, e.g. it could be 'personalized' to a = particular device or could be personalized to a particular consumer/end = user. I also wonder whether dealing with long tail content is an internal = optimisation decision for a dCDN or an out of band discussion about what = type of content the dCDN would like the uCDN to delegate delivery of to = the dCDN. In other words how much do we really need a technical CDNI = solution for that problem space? Thanks Ben > =20 > Caches with limited storage space/processing power are very useful for = most popular content since the same piece of content is viewed by many = people. With this background, we can see that long tail personalized = content is not very amenable to caching. Caching of long tail = personalized content could lead to cache thrashing issues. This draft = examines in detail the CDNI requirements for long tail personalized = content.=20 > =20 > I will also add more description in the draft regarding this.=20 > =20 > Thanks, ramki=20 >=20 > =20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 > ----- Forwarded by BhumipKhasnabish197472/user/zte_ltd on 09/09/2012 = 11:40 PM ----- > Ben Niven-Jenkins > 09/08/2012 12:44 PM >=20 > To > ramki Krishnan > cc > "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" ,cdni@ietf.org, = Richard Woundy , = li.mian@zte.com.cn,Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn > Subject > Re: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ramki, >=20 > On 8 Sep 2012, at 15:35, ramki Krishnan wrote: >=20 > > All, > > =20 > > Thanks for the comments so far. A latest version of the draft is = posted athttp://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail/. = Kindly review and comment. >=20 > It is not clear to me what the draft is trying to articulate or the = real problem it is trying to describe. >=20 > It starts by describing a problem case where long tail personalised = content is not cacheable but then goes on to describe requirements to = enable a dCDN to indicate to a uCDN which URLs the dCDN won't bother to = cache. >=20 > I don't really see how the first leads to the second, i.e. how is the = dCDN supposed to know a given URL is "long tail personalised" and = therefore uncacheable?=20 >=20 > Furthermore it is not clear to me why "long tail personalised" content = is a special case. What about "short tail personalised" content? >=20 > I think you need to better describe the underlying problem/use case = you are trying to solve before starting to define additional = requirements to place on the CDNI specifications. >=20 > Ben >=20 > > =20 > > thanks, ramki > > =20 > > From: ramki Krishnan=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:59 PM > > To: 'Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)' > > Cc: = 'Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn';'li.mian@zte.com.cn';'Richard_Woundy@cable.= comcast.com' > > Subject: FW: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections > > =20 > > Hi Francois, > > =20 > > A gentle reminder =85 kindly review and comment at your earliest = convenience. > > =20 > > Thanks, ramki > > =20 > > From: ramki Krishnan=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:07 PM > > To: 'Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)' > > Cc: = Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn;'li.mian@zte.com.cn';'Richard_Woundy@cable.co= mcast.com' > > Subject: RE: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections > > =20 > > Hi Francois, > > =20 > > Please find updated draft attached. For convenience, I have = described inline the Metadata interface requirements and Request routing = interface changes. > > =20 > > Metadata interface requirement=20 > > The CDNI Metadata Distribution interface shall provide indication by = the downstream CDN (dCDN) to the upstream CDN (uCDN) whether the content = should be cached or not cached in the dCDN. This information should be = on a per URL basis. The default behavior would be to cache the content = in the dCDN > > =20 > > Referring to the example in Fig. 2, Section 3 = [I-D.ietf-cdni-framework]; it shows Operator A as the uCDN and Operator = B as the dCDN, where the former has a relationship with a content = provider and the latter being the best CDN to deliver content to the = end-user. Referring to the HTTP example in Fig. 3, Section 3.2 = [I-D.ietf-cdni-framework];=20 > > Request routing interface changes=20 > > Step 2: A Request Router for Operator A processes the HTTP request. = The HTTP URL metadata is looked up in a metadata database. For long tail = personalized content, the metadata database lookup result indicates that = the content should not be cached by the dCDN. The Request Router for = Operator A recognizes that the end-user is best served by the uCDN = without any caching the in dCDN and returns a 302 redirect message with = the URL of Operator A delivery node. The end-user proceeds to retrieve = the data from Operator A delivery node. > > =20 > > Thanks, ramki > > =20 > > =20 > > From: Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) [mailto:flefauch@cisco.com]=20 > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:15 AM > > To: ramki Krishnan > > Cc: Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch); cdni@ietf.org; Kevin J Ma; Ram = Krishnan;Bhumip.Khasnabish@zte.com.cn > > Subject: Re: [CDNi] Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections > > =20 > > =20 > > On 3 Aug 2012, at 17:04, ramki Krishnan wrote: > > =20 > >=20 > > Hi Kevin, > > =20 > > Thanks a lot for your comments. Please see response below > > =20 > > Kevin: > > >>Wrt CDNI, what is it that draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00 is = proposing? > > >>The CDNI requirements (specifically META-14) already discuss = distribution control policies, including preventing delegation. Beyond = the ability to >>prevent delegation, are you proposing that CDNs be = required to implement analytics-based delegation policies? That seems = somewhat beyond our scope. > > =20 > > Ramki: > > The CDNi req META-14 is about the selection of dCDN, but what long = tail draft is proposing is the selection of uCDN > > =20 > > the selection of uCDN by whom? > > =20 > >=20 > > based on the content attribute, i.e. whether the content is long = tail personalized or not. The long tail draft also brings in the concept = of no caching in the uCDN > > =20 > > The intra-CDN decision of the uCDN to cache or not is generally = outside the scope of CDNI. We are not disagreeing that the uCDN may = elect to not cache some content (and in that case to not redirect to a = dCDN), but this does not seem directly related to CDNI. > > =20 > > and dCDN for certain types of content based on the content = attribute, for e.g. long tail personalized content. The impacts of this = on CDNi request routing is also explained.=20 > > =20 > > Can you summarize again very briefly the interaction you see between = the desire to not cache some content and the CDNI interfaces? (when = discussing Request Routing, please separate the impact you see on the = Request Routing/Redirection interface vs Request Routing/Footprint & Cap = Interface). > > =20 > > Thanks > > =20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Thanks, ramki > > =20 > > From: Bhumip Khasnabish [mailto:vumip1@gmail.com]=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:55 AM > > To: cdni@ietf.org > > Cc: Ram Krishnan; ramki Krishnan; li.mian@zte.com.cn > > Subject: Fwd: Long Tail personalized content delivery over CDN = Interconnections > > =20 > > =20 > > FYI.. looking for comments and suggestions on delivery of > > the most popular to long tail personalized content over CDNI. > > =20 > > This document presents the issues and suggests solutions in = delivering long tail > > personalized content in CDN Interconnection scenarios. Thanks a lot. > >=20 > > = ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= +++++++++++++++++++++ > > I-D Action: draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00.txt > >=20 > > =95 To: i-d-announce at ietf.org > > =95 Subject: I-D Action: = draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00.txt > > =95 From: internet-drafts at ietf.org > > =95 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:49:30 -0700 > > =95 Delivered-to: i-d-announce at ietfa.amsl.com > > =95 List-archive: = > > =95 List-help: = > > =95 List-id: Internet Draft Announcements only = > > =95 List-post: > > =95 List-subscribe: = , = > > =95 List-unsubscribe: = , = > > =95 Reply-to: internet-drafts at ietf.org > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > > =20 > > =20 > > Title : Long Tail personalized content delivery = over CDN Interconnections > > Author(s) : Ram Krishnan > > Mian Li > > Bhumip Khasnabish > > Filename : draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00.txt > > Pages : 7 > > Date : 2012-07-30 > > =20 > > Abstract: > > The content desire of users is evolving from most popular to long > > tail personalized content. This document presents the issues and > > suggests solutions in delivering long tail personalized content = in > > CDN Interconnection scenarios. > > =20 > > =20 > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail > > =20 > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnan-cdni-long-tail-00 > > =20 > > =20 > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > > CDNi mailing list > > CDNi@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni > > =20 > > _______________________________________________ > > CDNi mailing list > > CDNi@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > -------------------------------------------------------- > ZTE Information Security Notice: The information contained in this = mail (and any attachment transmitted herewith) is privileged and = confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). = If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, reproduction, = distribution or other dissemination or use of the information contained = is strictly prohibited. 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x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19206.004 x-tm-as-result: No--25.232500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" Subject: [CDNi] Progress on CDNI Request Routing: Footprint and Capabilities Semantics X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 12:04:11 -0000 Hello Jan, Stefano, Jon, Could you update us on the Design Team progress re "CDNI Request Routing: F= ootprint and Capabilities" semantics? In particular, during the IETF-84 meeting, we had agreed that it would be a= useful first step for the Design Team to define a few key use cases for th= e Footprint and Capabilities Advertisement interfaces (along the line of : = we have two ISP CDNs and one OTT CDN, one ISP CDN wants to use on-net CDN w= henever possible, one CDN supports URI signing but not everywhere within hi= s CDN,=85 just making that up, but you get the idea). Have you been able to= make progress on the definition of these use cases? Thanks Francois From flefauch@cisco.com Tue Sep 25 00:36:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A4A21F8905 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:36:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bezXdwubLzBO for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2168721F8902 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:36:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=875; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1348558594; x=1349768194; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=mEHQ9mu44c3V9g3TezDSoIuqfuDTDFaUPJwCgtoZmkI=; b=XmVLEJzkjxtt0qUqtcC39OCXMjO662nJMOKOZzgAuvA515ig7R16rEIl JMXf8nAxv2DjD8Ti7nqzdLIxubrqvm+hKvEOxC6u8Rzd6TVUpz28dK/Cb dxzMr/Iaz9Zrm0k2ZSfQbmZKF2rU0eMNeyR1ouQv89G3DYI4JIQdGuupW M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFACdeYVCtJV2Y/2dsb2JhbABFhUS5IoEIgiABAQEDAQEBAQ8BJzQQCwIBCDYQJwslAgQTIoddBguYeI9XkGwEixuFYmADlWWOO4FpgmeCFw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,479,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="124944367" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Sep 2012 07:36:33 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com [173.36.12.78]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8P7aXgE017191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:36:33 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([169.254.15.216]) by xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com ([173.36.12.78]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:36:33 -0500 From: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" To: "cdni@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 as a Working Group document Thread-Index: AQHNmvB8aNQHz2gjI0KlqssO+fIkvg== Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:36:33 +0000 Message-ID: <8C94741B-F9E7-4490-B77E-509C0147D8B8@cisco.com> References: <5E18533C-035B-40D7-BA87-7415D24CE033@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <5E18533C-035B-40D7-BA87-7415D24CE033@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.82.243.204] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19208.004 x-tm-as-result: No--32.464900-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <534A578EB677944D8224BF9ACBFCD04A@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CDNi] Adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 as a Working Group document X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:36:34 -0000 All, No objections have been raised, so we confirm the decision to adopt draft-c= jlmw-cdni-metadata-00 as a Working Group document. To draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata authors, Please post the next rev as draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-00. Cheers Francois & Rich On 10 Sep 2012, at 14:15, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) wrote: > Folks, >=20 > As per the minutes, we established in Vancouver that there was "good sup= port for the adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 draft as a WG documen= t, and no objection" and we considered this as a tentative decision. >=20 > Unless we hear objection on this list within the next 2 weeks, we'll cons= ider this decision final. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Francois & Rich >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Tue Sep 25 20:22:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F5821F86BA; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.305 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.305 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.295, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FmIYfmqIURTV; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F78A21F86AD; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 40935B1E002; Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:18:44 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20120926031844.40935B1E002@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cdni@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [CDNi] RFC 6707 on Content Distribution Network Interconnection (CDNI) Problem Statement X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:22:44 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6707 Title: Content Distribution Network Interconnection (CDNI) Problem Statement Author: B. Niven-Jenkins, F. Le Faucheur, N. Bitar Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: September 2012 Mailbox: ben@velocix.com, flefauch@cisco.com, nabil.n.bitar@verizon.com Pages: 32 Characters: 75060 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-08.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6707.txt Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) provide numerous benefits for cacheable content: reduced delivery cost, improved quality of experience for End Users, and increased robustness of delivery. For these reasons, they are frequently used for large-scale content delivery. As a result, existing CDN Providers are scaling up their infrastructure, and many Network Service Providers (NSPs) are deploying their own CDNs. It is generally desirable that a given content item can be delivered to an End User regardless of that End User's location or attachment network. This is the motivation for interconnecting standalone CDNs so they can interoperate as an open content delivery infrastructure for the end-to-end delivery of content from Content Service Providers (CSPs) to End Users. However, no standards or open specifications currently exist to facilitate such CDN Interconnection. The goal of this document is to outline the problem area of CDN Interconnection for the IETF CDNI (CDN Interconnection) working group. This document is not an Internet Standards Track specification; it is published for informational purposes. This document is a product of the Content Delivery Networks Interconnection Working Group of the IETF. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 506420EF.007 from mail2.intec.ugent.be/mail2.intec.ugent.be/157.193.214.245/mail2.intec.ugent.be/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 506420EF.007 on smtp1.ugent.be : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: [CDNi] New draft submitted draft-famaey-cdni-has-experiments-00 X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:48:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_655FF027-181B-4A8B-A06E-176F071A4DBE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, We have submitted a new draft on the delivery of HTTP Adaptive Streaming = (HAS) content over interconnected CDNs. The document presents = experimental results on the influence of multiple alternative CDN-I = request routing approaches on the quality of delivered HAS content = streams. The approaches are based on the HAS chunk addressing methods = proposed in draft-brandenburg-cdni-has-03. We look forward to your = comments and feedback. http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-famaey-cdni-has-experiments-00.txt Kind regards, Jeroen Famaey -- Dr. Jeroen Famaey Department of Information Technology Internet Based Communication Networks and Services (IBCN) Ghent University - IBBT Gaston Crommenlaan 8 (Bus 201), B-9050 Gent, Belgium T: +32 9 33 14938; T Secr: +32 (0)9 33 14900 F: +32 9 33 14899 E: jeroen.famaey@intec.UGent.be W: http://users.ugent.be/~jfamaey W: http://www.ibcn.intec.UGent.be=20 --Apple-Mail=_655FF027-181B-4A8B-A06E-176F071A4DBE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Dear = all,

We have submitted a new draft on the delivery of = HTTP Adaptive Streaming (HAS) content over interconnected CDNs. =  The document presents experimental results on the influence of = multiple alternative CDN-I request routing approaches on the quality of = delivered HAS content streams.  The approaches are based on the HAS = chunk addressing methods proposed in draft-brandenburg-cdni-has-03. =  We look forward to your comments and = feedback.

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-famaey-cdni-has-experiments-00.txt

Kind = regards,
Jeroen Famaey

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Department of Information Technology
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Ghent University - = IBBT
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= --Apple-Mail=_655FF027-181B-4A8B-A06E-176F071A4DBE-- From mcaulfie@cisco.com Thu Sep 27 06:46:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894FD21F853B for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:46:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AosvllqiWykP for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77A321F850C for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:46:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1363; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1348753575; x=1349963175; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=JqW//hu/4XnQGeB8GYwCJR7kdXwBsNnZqmU15HWQVfI=; b=Otzb/gyRscA50OUqoKAE7zSZxlvXGBPnmRhXNvS7CVLLQgLwssS+cYyF ti17MlPKA0eMWLM70SFrFATwjPfCoD0/pQevVy2gRIKwtfdh+ZXhdQvtx JGtsLT8CaBE7yWBgzJksJTKpAlJnaDLK2Yb4nzqVr+9KY+sehIjU7ODh2 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EALtXZFCtJXG+/2dsb2JhbABFvgWBCIIgAQEBAwEBAQEPASc0EAcEAgEIEQQBAQsUCQcnCxQJCAIEARIIGoddBguYLZ97BIsYhT1gA6QrgWmCZ4IX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,495,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="125925362" Received: from rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com ([173.37.113.190]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Sep 2012 13:46:14 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com [173.36.12.88]) by rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8RDkDui008685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:46:13 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com ([169.254.6.113]) by xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com ([173.36.12.88]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:46:13 -0500 From: "Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie)" To: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" , "cdni@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 as a Working Group document Thread-Index: AQHNmvCDFgZ2k8o4XEGN0l+w5+GQV5edei7A Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:46:12 +0000 Message-ID: <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C920F3AD703@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> References: <5E18533C-035B-40D7-BA87-7415D24CE033@cisco.com> <8C94741B-F9E7-4490-B77E-509C0147D8B8@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8C94741B-F9E7-4490-B77E-509C0147D8B8@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.86.252.177] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19214.004 x-tm-as-result: No--34.321400-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CDNi] Adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 as a Working Group document X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:46:21 -0000 Thanks, Francois. We will post the next rev by Monday. Matt -----Original Message----- From: cdni-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:cdni-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fra= ncois Le Faucheur (flefauch) Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:37 AM To: cdni@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CDNi] Adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 as a Working G= roup document All, No objections have been raised, so we confirm the decision to adopt draft-c= jlmw-cdni-metadata-00 as a Working Group document. To draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata authors, Please post the next rev as draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-00. Cheers Francois & Rich On 10 Sep 2012, at 14:15, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) wrote: > Folks, >=20 > As per the minutes, we established in Vancouver that there was "good sup= port for the adoption of draft-cjlmw-cdni-metadata-00 draft as a WG documen= t, and no objection" and we considered this as a tentative decision. >=20 > Unless we hear objection on this list within the next 2 weeks, we'll cons= ider this decision final. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Francois & Rich >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni _______________________________________________ CDNi mailing list CDNi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From Jan.Seedorf@neclab.eu Thu Sep 27 06:49:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EED21F849C for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:49:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TbNaF4DXCZG3 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3228821F849A for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 06:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B63D101F92; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:49:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iFrEsOzv6iMK; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:49:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ENCELADUS.office.hd (enceladus.office.hd [192.168.24.52]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82842101F74; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:48:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PALLENE.office.hd ([169.254.1.21]) by ENCELADUS.office.hd ([192.168.24.52]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:48:29 +0200 From: Jan Seedorf To: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" , "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" , "Jon (jon.peterson@neustar.biz) Peterson " Thread-Topic: Progress on CDNI Request Routing: Footprint and Capabilities Semantics Thread-Index: AQHNmkyz2Q5r61RBu0WCb1osnzKTEZeeOCbw Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:48:29 +0000 Message-ID: <2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE55343F34@PALLENE.office.hd> References: <9FC89A60-3E4E-40D6-9C9A-C29474E490AA@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <9FC89A60-3E4E-40D6-9C9A-C29474E490AA@cisco.com> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.2.227] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Progress on CDNI Request Routing: Footprint and Capabilities Semantics X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:49:20 -0000 Hi Francois, > Could you update us on the Design Team progress re "CDNI Request Routing: > Footprint and Capabilities" semantics? Everybody has been busy I guess, but the plan is to have some phone calls (= realistically probably two) before Atlanta to make progress; I will set up= a doodle and send a mail out tomorrow ... - Jan > -----Original Message----- > From: Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) [mailto:flefauch@cisco.com] > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 2:04 PM > To: Jan Seedorf; Stefano Previdi (sprevidi); Jon (jon.peterson@neustar.bi= z) > Peterson > Cc: > Subject: Progress on CDNI Request Routing: Footprint and Capabilities > Semantics >=20 > Hello Jan, Stefano, Jon, >=20 > Could you update us on the Design Team progress re "CDNI Request Routing: > Footprint and Capabilities" semantics? >=20 > In particular, during the IETF-84 meeting, we had agreed that it would be= a > useful first step for the Design Team to define a few key use cases for t= he > Footprint and Capabilities Advertisement interfaces (along the line of : = we > have two ISP CDNs and one OTT CDN, one ISP CDN wants to use on-net CDN > whenever possible, one CDN supports URI signing but not everywhere > within his CDN,... just making that up, but you get the idea). Have you b= een > able to make progress on the definition of these use cases? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Francois >=20 From Jan.Seedorf@neclab.eu Fri Sep 28 05:42:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A051721F846A; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y6oAGck5ShNh; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9294A21F8475; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCD7101FB3; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:42:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OJi5-lNzS0aW; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:42:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ENCELADUS.office.hd (enceladus.office.hd [192.168.24.52]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B96101FAC; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:42:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PALLENE.office.hd ([169.254.1.21]) by ENCELADUS.office.hd ([192.168.24.52]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:41:47 +0200 From: Jan Seedorf To: "cdni-footprint@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Doodle for "CDNI Footprint/Capabilties Design Team Call" Thread-Index: Ac2ddnTPiTJ29apcQ0OfVr1sQPYGZg== Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:41:47 +0000 Message-ID: <2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE553513E5@PALLENE.office.hd> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.2.227] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: [CDNi] Doodle for "CDNI Footprint/Capabilties Design Team Call" X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:42:43 -0000 SGkgYWxsLA0KDQpJIGNyZWF0ZWQgYSBkb29kbGUgZm9yIGEgQ0ROSSBGb290cHJpbnQvQ2FwYWJp bHRpZXMgRGVzaWduIFRlYW0gQ2FsbDoNCg0KaHR0cDovL3d3dy5kb29kbGUuY29tLzN1N3BrcmZj dHFhNnUzM2cNCg0KSSB3b3VsZCBiZSBnb29kIGlmIHdlIGNvdWxkIG1ha2UgdHdvIGNhbGxzIGlu IE9jdG9iZXIgdG8gbWFrZSBwcm9ncmVzcyBiZWZvcmUgdGhlIEF0bGFudGEgbWVldGluZywgc28g cGxlYXNlIGZpbGwgaW4gdGhlIGRvb2RsZSBpZiB5b3UgYXJlIGludGVyZXN0ZWQgaW4gam9pbmlu ZyB0aGUgZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi4NCg0KIC0gSmFuDQo=