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From: "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" <flefauch@cisco.com>
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Hi,

Just a friendly reminder:


  *   2013-02-18 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00=
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  *   2013-02-25 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission cut-off by UTC 2=
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Cheers

Francois

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From: Jan Seedorf <Jan.Seedorf@neclab.eu>
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Dear all,

I have been busy with other tasks (sorry for that), but now I have taken th=
e time to produce a high-level "progress / status quo" document regarding w=
hat have been our discussions and what have we agreed on in the footprint/c=
apabilities design team (and what are the open issues, of course). This was=
 a suggestion from Francois in the last phone call, so that people can prep=
are better for calls and so that we have a document to keep track of our di=
scussion. See attached, I have also attached the latest version of the use =
case from Anne/Emile which we agreed to use as basis for our discussion.

Let's aim for one call before the Atlanta meeting, I have set up a doodle:
http://www.doodle.com/4ydidwifvfst43a2

In the call, we can briefly go over the status quo I have tried to capture,=
 and then decide on the next steps for capabilities and footprint.

 - Jan

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> Let's aim for one call before the Atlanta meeting, I have set up a doodle=
:
> http://www.doodle.com/4ydidwifvfst43a2

The doodle is for the "Orlando" meeting, of course :)

 - Jan

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [cdni-footprint] Progress with Footprint / Capabilities before A=
tlanta
> meeting
>=20
> Dear all,
>=20
> I have been busy with other tasks (sorry for that), but now I have taken =
the
> time to produce a high-level "progress / status quo" document regarding
> what have been our discussions and what have we agreed on in the
> footprint/capabilities design team (and what are the open issues, of cour=
se).
> This was a suggestion from Francois in the last phone call, so that peopl=
e can
> prepare better for calls and so that we have a document to keep track of =
our
> discussion. See attached, I have also attached the latest version of the =
use
> case from Anne/Emile which we agreed to use as basis for our discussion.
>=20
> Let's aim for one call before the Atlanta meeting, I have set up a doodle=
:
> http://www.doodle.com/4ydidwifvfst43a2
>=20
> In the call, we can briefly go over the status quo I have tried to captur=
e, and
> then decide on the next steps for capabilities and footprint.
>=20
>  - Jan
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> Jan Seedorf
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Please fill in the doodle, so far only Ray and I seem to be interested in t=
his ...

 - Jan

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rg] On Behalf Of Jan Seedorf
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Subject: [cdni-footprint] Progress with Footprint / Capabilities before Atl=
anta meeting

Dear all,

I have been busy with other tasks (sorry for that), but now I have taken th=
e time to produce a high-level "progress / status quo" document regarding w=
hat have been our discussions and what have we agreed on in the footprint/c=
apabilities design team (and what are the open issues, of course). This was=
 a suggestion from Francois in the last phone call, so that people can prep=
are better for calls and so that we have a document to keep track of our di=
scussion. See attached, I have also attached the latest version of the use =
case from Anne/Emile which we agreed to use as basis for our discussion.

Let's aim for one call before the Orlando meeting, I have set up a doodle:
http://www.doodle.com/4ydidwifvfst43a2

In the call, we can briefly go over the status quo I have tried to capture,=
 and then decide on the next steps for capabilities and footprint.

 - Jan

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Francois,

Closing the loop on this. I've tried to address all your comments in my =
working copy of draft-he-cdni-routing-request-redirection-04.

I will be posting it in the next week once I've got feedback from my =
co-authors.

When it gets published let me know if you feel your comments below =
haven;t been addressed. In particular I re-wrote a lot of the document =
to incorporate the concept of Redirection targets and I'd be interested =
in your views on the new text.

Ben

On 7 Nov 2012, at 14:32, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) wrote:

> Thanks for your responses. Looks like we're synch. Please keep track =
of those points so they get addressed in the next rev.
> You may want to bring up some of those today (e.g. need for link to =
metadata in Redirection request) , specifically during the "discussion =
slot" for Redirection, so we get input from others.
>=20
> On 6 Nov 2012, at 10:25, Ben Niven-Jenkins wrote:
>=20
>> Francois,
>>=20
>> Please see below for my views.
>>=20
>> On 5 Nov 2012, at 23:33, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hello,
>>>=20
>>> (As an Individual).
>>>=20
>>> In general, I feel this new version is going in the right direction.
>>>=20
>>> Some high level comments:
>>>=20
>>> 	* I think the spec should be less prescriptive as to how a dCDN =
builds its redirection response. For example in section 6.1.1, the text =
says:
>>> "If the dCDN decides to use DNS Redirection, where the Downstream =
CDN
>>> is redirecting directly to a surrogate in the Downstream CDN: the
>>> Downstream CDN selects one or more surrogates and returns a CDNI =
RRRI
>>> response containing the IP addresses of the selected surrogate(s), =
...
>>> If the dCDN decides to use DNS Redirection, where the Downstream CDN
>>> is redirecting to a Request Router in the dCDN: : the Downstream CDN
>>> returns a CDNI RRRI response containing a CNAME of the Downstream
>>> CDN's Request Router(s), =85
>>> "
>>> In this example, I think the dCDN should be free to return an IP =
address or a CNAME of the "redirection target" as it sees fit. The =
redirection target may be a Surrogate, a Request Router, a set of =
Surrogates, a 3rd party CDN Req Router, a 3rd party CDN Surrogate in =
case of cascaded CDNs,... whatever the dCDN sees fit.
>>> You could possibly mention one of the behavior above as an example =
of what might happen, but it should just be an example and I recommend =
the spec be open as to the logic to populate the Redirection response.
>>=20
>> Fair comment. Describing the different redirection possibilities & =
their applicability while at the same time talking about CDNI =
Redirection in a more generic way (so we don't keep repeating all the =
different nuances) was something we struggled a little with and is =
certainly an area of the draft (IMO) that needs more work to make the =
text clearer etc.
>>=20
>> I like your idea of a 'redirection target' and maybe the right =
approach is to have a section defining/discussing the possibilities for =
redirection (A/AAAA/CNAME/Application level 302/etc) to a 'redirection =
target' in a dCDN and in the rest of the document just talk generically =
about redirection targets?
>>=20
>>> * the document keeps talking about "encapsulating the enduser =
request" inside the Redirection Request. I find this misleading, because =
this is not about encapsulating the enduser request per-say, but rather =
to convey the key attributes of the enduser request.
>>=20
>> Fair comment. We used 'encapsulating end user request' to distinguish =
between previous versions of the draft where the end user request was =
proxied to a dCDN via the same protocol that the end user request was =
made over.
>>=20
>> Going forward that history doesn't matter and we should use better =
language to describe what we are actually doing.
>>=20
>>> * for HTTP, the Redirection Request should allow passing other =
attributes in addition to client IP address and URI.
>>=20
>> The draft currently just tries to define the minimum necessary =
information for a dCDN to be able to perform a redirection. There are =
probably other attributes that the dCDN would find useful and although =
it is not explicitly described in the current draft I think the CDNI =
Redirection 'protocol framework' in draft-he easily allows passing =
additional optional attributes. Describing how to extend the 'base =
protocol' with additional attributes is certainly something we should =
add in a future revision of the draft.
>>=20
>> Personally, I am reluctant to define lots of theoretical attributes =
(that no one ends up using) to be included in a CDN Redirection request =
but I would like to hear views from implementors on the attributes they =
actually use (or plan to use as part of CDNI) to influence surrogate =
selection/redirection across a CDN interconnect.
>>=20
>>> * the document requires that a pointer to Metadata be included in =
the Redirection request:
>>> "For DNS redirection, the uCDN also needs to provide in the CDNI =
RRRI
>>> request the a link to the associated CDNI Metadata for the host/
>>> domain being requested."
>>> Considering that the latest Metadata interface allows the dCDN to =
walk down the metadata tree for any content without seeding any initial =
info/pointers, I am not sure there is a benefit in passing a link to =
metadata inside the Redirection request. If would potentially save the =
dCDN Request Router to do the lookup on Content-->Metadata , but would =
require the uCDN Request Router to do the same on its behalf. Besides =
the dCDN has to do that looup anyways to get the Metadata for serving =
the content.
>>=20
>> This is in my slides for Thursday. When I was thinking about CDN =
Redirection a while ago I convinced myself a link to CDNI Metadata was =
useful so when I started working on draft-he I included it, but since =
then I've been struggling to remind myself why I originally thought it =
was required so I'm certainly open to removing it.
>>=20
>>> * the redirection interface will need to discuss handling of URI =
Signing=20
>>=20
>> Sure. Personally I'd like the uri signing/token authorisation work in =
the WG to mature a bit more first just to avoid having to keep draft-he =
aligned with a still moving target.
>>=20
>> At a minimum we should include in the next revision a comment that we =
still need to factor token authorisation into the document.
>>=20
>>> * we need to agree on a set of acronyms to refer to the "CDNI =
Request Routing/Redirection Interface". I will bring that up during the =
meeting this week.
>>=20
>> OK
>>=20
>> Ben
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> HTH
>>>=20
>>> Francois
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 21 Oct 2012, at 23:02, <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
>>> <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 	Title           : Routing Request Redirection for CDN =
Interconnection
>>>> 	Author(s)       : Wang Danhua (editor)
>>>>                       He Xiaoyan
>>>>                       Spencer Dawkins
>>>>                       Ge Chen
>>>>                       Ni Wei
>>>>                       Zhang Yunfei
>>>>                       Ben Niven-Jenkins
>>>> 	Filename        : =
draft-he-cdni-routing-request-redirection-03.txt
>>>> 	Pages           : 19
>>>> 	Date            : 2012-10-21
>>>>=20
>>>> Abstract:
>>>> The Request Routing Interface comprises of (1) the asynchronous
>>>> advertisement of footprint and capabilities by a downstream CDN =
that
>>>> allows a upstream CDN to decide whether to redirect particular user
>>>> requests to that downstream CDN; and (2) the synchronous operation =
of
>>>> an upstream CDN requesting whether a downstream CDN is prepared to
>>>> accept a user request and of a downstream CDN responding with how =
to
>>>> actually redirect the user request.  This document describes an
>>>> interface for the latter part, i.e. the CDNI Request Routing
>>>> Redirection interface.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>>>> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-he-cdni-routing-request-redirection=

>>>>=20
>>>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>>>> =
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-he-cdni-routing-request-redirection-03
>>>>=20
>>>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>>>> =
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-he-cdni-routing-request-redirecti=
on-03
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>>>>=20
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>>>=20
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Ray,

On 30 Jan 2013, at 09:23, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van wrote:
> From: Ben Niven-Jenkins [mailto:ben@niven-jenkins.co.uk]=20
> On 29 Jan 2013, at 10:26, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van wrote:
>=20
>> I've reviewed draft-he-cdni-routing-request-redirection-03 and have =
some questions/comments:

I've addressed you comments in my working draft of -04 except these =
which I'd like to discuss further:

>> - How does the draft relate to work currently being done on the =
Metadata interface? Particularly in dealing with multiple files being =
described by the same (or higher level) metadata object.  In its current =
form, the draft specifies that a RRRI Request contains a URL to the =
metadata object associated with the  UA request. It might be useful to =
allow a dCDN to reply with a RRRI Response indicating that a particular =
reply is valid for a particular set of CDNI Metadata (not necessarily =
being the same set referenced by the uCDN). Such a feature would be =
particularly useful in HAS scenarios, where with the current draft you =
would have hundreds of RRRI Request for each individual segment.=20
>=20
> We might need to dig into this a bit more but...
>=20
> My opinion is that request routing policy should only be set at the =
Host level and not the path level in CDNI metadata.
>=20
> Allowing the dCDN to specify a scope against which the RRRI response =
applies is something we've already included. If we want to extend the =
current scope object we have defined I am OK with that but I'd like it =
to be based off specific use cases so we can explore the implications of =
doing so.
>=20
> I guess I'm saying - can you articulate the use case around HAS you =
have in mind and then we can work through what would make sense to =
return in a RRRI response?
>=20
> [Ray] So, the use case I have in mind is that a particular HAS content =
item consists of a couple of hundred segments. If we wouldn't do =
anything specific in the RRRI, this would mean that a separate RRRI =
Request and Response would be sent for every individual segment. For =
some CDNs this might be perfectly fine, and would allow them a fine =
granularity to do per-segment RR. However, it might perhaps be more =
efficient if it would be possible for a dCDN to reply with: 'Ok, here =
you go with the redirect response for this particular segment, and by =
the way, if you have any requests for segments associated with this one =
(indicated by metadata), you can also redirect them to me'.

If I understand correctly what you are really asking for is some method =
by which to indicate the scope of the RI response is wider than just the =
URI that triggered the RI request?

Returning some kind of URI pattern match (possibly extracted from the =
CDNI PathMetadata/PathMatch) seems appealing but I am not sure how =
realistic it would be to implement in practice.

I know of implementations that effectively hash URLs across surrogates =
for load balancing and other purposes, and I am not sure whether it =
would be feasible to generically describe such hashing algorithms (or =
whether implementors would be willing to expose their hashing/load =
balancing algorithms).=20

>> - It might be useful to include in the draft a short note or comment =
that discusses byte range requests and how this is dealt with by the =
RRRI interface.=20
>=20
> Byte range requests are independent of request routing, or are you =
suggesting we should allow a dCDN to redirect to different surrogates =
based on the first byte range the original UA requests (which is a bad =
idea IMO)?
>=20
> [Ray] I agree with you that something like that is not necessary. What =
I would like to see in the draft is a short discussion how both a uCDN =
and dCDN should interpret a RRRI Request/Response with regards to byte =
range request. So let's say the UA sends a request to the uCDN for a =
particular file with a particular byte range (e.g. for a Smooth =
Streaming fragment). The uCDN encapsulates this request and sends a RRRI =
Request to the dCDN. The dCDN replies with a RRRI Response. The question =
is what the scope of the RRRI Request and Response should be, is the =
scope limited to that particular byte range, or is it for the entire =
file. In other words: should the dCDN expect to receive additional RRRI =
Requests for other byte ranges of the same file or should it assume that =
is has agreed to also deliver any other byte ranges for that particular =
file? I'm not suggesting that we need any new functionality, I just =
think some definition of scope with regards to byte ranges and RRRI =
could be helpful.=20

Byte ranges are no different to any other types of request in that =
regard. If the UA follows a redirect and holds a persistent connection =
to the surrogate, there will be no more RI requests. If the surrogate =
doesn't hold a persistent connection the UA will recontact the Request =
Router (either a uCDN Request Router or Redirection Target that is a =
request router returned in the original RI request) for the next request =
(normal or byte range). If the contacted request router is a uCDN =
request router, it can use any cacheability/scope of the previous RI =
response to redirect the UA without issuing another RI request to the =
dCDN. Otherwise if it decides to use dCDN again it must issue a new RI =
request.

So when a dCDN sends a RI response indicating it is willing to perform a =
delivery (whether the original request is for a byte rage or not) it is =
implicitly agreeing to delivery any further requests it receives from =
the UA either because the UA maintains a persistent connection or =
because the request routing performed means that the UA recontacts a =
Request Router outside of uCDN (e.g. dCDN's request router).

I'm not sure that the RI specification draft if the place to describe =
such things. If we put it anywhere it seems the framework would be a =
more appropriate place.

HTH
Ben


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Dear all,

The doodle suggests to have the phone call on:

** TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 26th, 16:00-18:00 CET **

Stefano: as usual, can you please arrange WebEx?

I suggest for everyone taking part in the call to have - PRIOR to the call =
-  a look at the summary document I circulated.

Thanks,
Jan

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:59 PM
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re
> Atlanta meeting
>=20
> > Let's aim for one call before the Atlanta meeting, I have set up a dood=
le:
> > http://www.doodle.com/4ydidwifvfst43a2
>=20
> The doodle is for the "Orlando" meeting, of course :)
>=20
>  - Jan
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jan Seedorf
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:58 PM
> > To: cdni-footprint@ietf.org
> > Cc: cdni@ietf.org
> > Subject: [cdni-footprint] Progress with Footprint / Capabilities before
> Atlanta
> > meeting
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I have been busy with other tasks (sorry for that), but now I have take=
n the
> > time to produce a high-level "progress / status quo" document regarding
> > what have been our discussions and what have we agreed on in the
> > footprint/capabilities design team (and what are the open issues, of
> course).
> > This was a suggestion from Francois in the last phone call, so that peo=
ple
> can
> > prepare better for calls and so that we have a document to keep track o=
f
> our
> > discussion. See attached, I have also attached the latest version of th=
e use
> > case from Anne/Emile which we agreed to use as basis for our discussion=
.
> >
> > Let's aim for one call before the Atlanta meeting, I have set up a dood=
le:
> > http://www.doodle.com/4ydidwifvfst43a2
> >
> > In the call, we can briefly go over the status quo I have tried to capt=
ure, and
> > then decide on the next steps for capabilities and footprint.
> >
> >  - Jan
> >
> >
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> > Jan Seedorf
> > Senior Researcher
> > NEC Europe Ltd., NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Division
> > Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg
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Hi Jan, All,

here below the webex info.

s.



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> Topic: CDNI Footprint Interim Meeting=20
> Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013=20
> Time: 4:00 pm, Europe Time (Amsterdam, GMT+01:00)=20
> Meeting Number: 200 708 738=20
> Meeting Password: cdni=20
>=20
>=20
> -------------------------------------------------------=20
> To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20
> -------------------------------------------------------=20
> 1. Go to =
https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&UID=3D1977654872&P=
W=3DNOTE5ODVkMDYx&RT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D=20
> 2. Enter your name and email address.=20
> 3. Enter the meeting password: cdni=20
> 4. Click "Join Now".=20
>=20
> To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20
> =
https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&UID=3D1977654872&P=
W=3DNOTE5ODVkMDYx&ORT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D=20
>=20
> ----------------------------------------------------------------=20
> ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes=20
> ----------------------------------------------------------------=20
>=20
> The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 for the San =
Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.=20
>=20
> Please dial the local access number for your area from the list below:=20=

> - San Jose/Milpitas (408) area: 525-6800=20
> - RTP (919) area: 392-3330=20
>=20
> -------------------------------------------------------=20
> To join the teleconference only=20
> -------------------------------------------------------=20
> 1. Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at=20
> http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html=20
> 2. Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or =
Access Code followed by the # sign.=20
>=20
> San Jose, CA: +1.408.525.6800 RTP: +1.919.392.3330=20
>=20
> US/Canada: +1.866.432.9903 United Kingdom: +44.20.8824.0117=20
>=20
> India: +91.80.4350.1111 Germany: +49.619.6773.9002=20
>=20
> Japan: +81.3.5763.9394 China: +86.10.8515.5666=20
>=20
> -------------------------------------------------------=20
> For assistance=20
> -------------------------------------------------------=20
> 1. Go to https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/mc=20
> 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20
>=20
> You can contact me at:=20
> sprevidi@cisco.com=20
> 39-0651644491=20
>=20
> To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft =
Outlook), click this link:=20
> =
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XI9xhGXigi&RT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D=20
>=20
> The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files =
requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in =
the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your =
computer by going to =
https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/systemdiagnosis.php.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.webex.com=20
>=20
> CCP:+14085256800x200708738#=20
>=20
> IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows =
audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during =
the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically =
consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, =
discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the =
recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such =
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi =
Jan, All,<div><br></div><div>here below the webex =
info.</div><div><br></div><div>s.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><d=
iv>Begin forwarded message:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><font =
face=3D"Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva" size=3D"2"> Topic: =
CDNI Footprint Interim Meeting <br> Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 =
<br> Time: 4:00 pm, Europe Time (Amsterdam, GMT+01:00) <br> Meeting =
Number: 200 708 738 <br> Meeting Password: cdni <br> <br> <br> =
------------------------------------------------------- <br> To join the =
online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) <br> =
------------------------------------------------------- <br> 1. Go to <a =
href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&amp;UID=3D=
1977654872&amp;PW=3DNOTE5ODVkMDYx&amp;RT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D" =
target=3D"_blank">https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&=
amp;UID=3D1977654872&amp;PW=3DNOTE5ODVkMDYx&amp;RT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D</a> =
<br> 2. Enter your name and email address. <br> 3. Enter the meeting =
password: cdni <br> 4. Click "Join Now". <br> <br> To view in other time =
zones or languages, please click the link: <br> <a =
href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&amp;UID=3D=
1977654872&amp;PW=3DNOTE5ODVkMDYx&amp;ORT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D" =
target=3D"_blank">https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&=
amp;UID=3D1977654872&amp;PW=3DNOTE5ODVkMDYx&amp;ORT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D</a> =
<br> <br> =
---------------------------------------------------------------- <br> =
ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes <br> =
---------------------------------------------------------------- <br> =
<br> The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 for the San =
Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area. <br> <br> Please =
dial the local access number for your area from the list below: <br> - =
San Jose/Milpitas (408) area: 525-6800 <br> - RTP (919) area: 392-3330 =
<br> <br> ------------------------------------------------------- <br> =
To join the teleconference only <br> =
------------------------------------------------------- <br> 1. Dial =
into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at <br> <a =
href=3D"http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.htm=
l" =
target=3D"_blank">http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing=
/index.html</a> <br> 2. Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number =
(listed above) or Access Code followed by the # sign. <br> <br> San =
Jose, CA: +1.408.525.6800 RTP: +1.919.392.3330 <br> <br> US/Canada: =
+1.866.432.9903 United Kingdom: +44.20.8824.0117 <br> <br> India: =
+91.80.4350.1111 Germany: +49.619.6773.9002 <br> <br> Japan: =
+81.3.5763.9394 China: +86.10.8515.5666 <br> <br> =
------------------------------------------------------- <br> For =
assistance <br> ------------------------------------------------------- =
<br> 1. Go to <a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/mc" =
target=3D"_blank">https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/mc</a> <br> 2. On =
the left navigation bar, click "Support". <br> <br> You can contact me =
at: <br>  <a href=3D"mailto:sprevidi@cisco.com">sprevidi@cisco.com</a> =
<br> 39-0651644491 <br> <br> To add this meeting to your calendar =
program (for example Microsoft Outlook), click this link: <br> <a =
href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&amp;UID=3D=
1977654872&amp;ICS=3DMI&amp;LD=3D1&amp;RD=3D2&amp;ST=3D1&amp;SHA2=3DAAAAAh=
OSX7u6xIDSjqJHLmWzg0XKsT2N-/JfuaXI9xhGXigi&amp;RT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D" =
target=3D"_blank">https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&=
amp;UID=3D1977654872&amp;ICS=3DMI&amp;LD=3D1&amp;RD=3D2&amp;ST=3D1&amp;SHA=
2=3DAAAAAhOSX7u6xIDSjqJHLmWzg0XKsT2N-/JfuaXI9xhGXigi&amp;RT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D=
</a> <br> <br> The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) =
rich media files requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich =
media files in the meeting, please check whether you have the players =
installed on your computer by going to <a =
href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/systemdiagnosis.php">https://ci=
sco.webex.com/ciscosales/systemdiagnosis.php</a>. <br> <br> <br> <br> =
<br> <a href=3D"http://www.webex.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.webex.com</a> <br> <br> =
CCP:+14085256800x200708738# <br> <br> IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx =
service includes a feature that allows audio and any documents and other =
materials exchanged or viewed during the session to be recorded. By =
joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If =
you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns with the =
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session. Please note that any such recordings may be subject to =
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the Content Delivery Networks Interconnection=
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	Title           : Framework for CDN Interconnection
	Author(s)       : Larry Peterson
                          Bruce Davie
	Filename        : draft-ietf-cdni-framework-03.txt
	Pages           : 55
	Date            : 2013-02-18

Abstract:
   This document presents a framework for Content Distribution Network
   Interconnection (CDNI).  The purpose of the framework is to provide
   an overall picture of the problem space of CDNI and to describe the
   relationships among the various components necessary to interconnect
   CDNs.  CDN Interconnection requires the specification of several
   interfaces and mechanisms to address issues such as request routing,
   distribution metadata exchange, and logging information exchange
   across CDNs.  The intent of this document is to outline what each
   interface needs to accomplish, and to describe how these interfaces
   and mechanisms fit together, while leaving their detailed
   specification to other documents.  It obsoletes RFC 3466.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Folks,

Please send us your agenda slot requests for the upcoming CDNI WG meeting a=
t IETF 86. Priority will be given to items on the charter, or to topics alr=
eady discussed on the list.

If you have requests for agenda slots, please send them to Francois and me =
by February 22, identifying the draft, the length of the desired scheduled =
slot and the name of the speaker.

Two timeslots have been scheduled for CDNI during the Orlando meeting:

   cdni Session 1 (1:30:00)
   Tuesday Afternoon Session III 1700-1830
   Room Name: Caribbean 6
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   cdni Session 2 (2:00:00)
   Thursday Afternoon Session II 1510-1710
   Room Name: Caribbean 6
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Thanks in advance.

-- Rich and Francois

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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 This draft is a work item of the Content Delivery Networks Interconnection=
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	Title           : CDNI Logging Interface
	Author(s)       : Gilles Bertrand
                          Iuniana Oprescu
                          Stephan Emile
                          Roy Peterkofsky
                          Francois Le Faucheur
                          Pawel Grochocki
	Filename        : draft-ietf-cdni-logging-01.txt
	Pages           : 41
	Date            : 2013-02-22

Abstract:
   This memo specifies the Logging interface between a downstream CDN
   (dCDN) and an upstream CDN (uCDN) that are interconnected as per the
   CDN Interconnection (CDNI) framework.  First, it describes a
   reference model for CDNI logging.  Then, it specifies the actual
   protocol for CDNI logging information exchange covering the
   information elements as well as the transport of those elements.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cdni-logging

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cdni-logging-01

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Hi everyone,

While writing the CDNI metadata draft, we have been struggling with the cho=
ice between XML and JSON for encoding metadata.=20

We are turning to the list for inspiration and hopefully a decision. Below =
is an extremely high level synopsis of the options.=20

XML
  Verbose.
  Flexible.
  Allows for both elements and attributes.
  Standardized schema definition language.
  Includes concept of namespaces.

JSON
  Terse.=20
  Fast to parse.
  Allows for ordered lists.

If you feel strongly one way or the other, please chime in.=20

See the metadata draft for an example of both: http://tools.ietf.org/html/d=
raft-ietf-cdni-metadata-00#section-5.4

Thanks,
Matt

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Le 22/02/2013 22:12, Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie) a écrit :
> Hi everyone,
>
> While writing the CDNI metadata draft, we have been struggling with the choice between XML and JSON for encoding metadata. 
>
> We are turning to the list for inspiration and hopefully a decision. Below is an extremely high level synopsis of the options. 
>
> XML
>   Verbose.
>   Flexible.
>   Allows for both elements and attributes.
>   Standardized schema definition language.
>   Includes concept of namespaces.

In favor of XML, because it's a more general one than JSON.

>
> JSON
>   Terse. 
>   Fast to parse.
>   Allows for ordered lists.

A good choice for light-weight specific things. Am I missing something?

Cheers,
mh

>
> If you feel strongly one way or the other, please chime in. 
>
> See the metadata draft for an example of both: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-00#section-5.4
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
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Le 22/02/2013 22:12, Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie) a =E9crit :
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>=20
> While writing the CDNI metadata draft, we have been struggling with =
the choice between XML and JSON for encoding metadata.=20
>=20
> We are turning to the list for inspiration and hopefully a decision. =
Below is an extremely high level synopsis of the options.=20
>=20
> XML
>  Verbose.
>  Flexible.
>  Allows for both elements and attributes.
>  Standardized schema definition language.
>  Includes concept of namespaces.

In favor of XML, because it's a more general one than JSON.

>=20
> JSON
>  Terse.=20
>  Fast to parse.
>  Allows for ordered lists.

A good choice for light-weight specific things. Am I missing something?

Cheers,
mh

>=20
> If you feel strongly one way or the other, please chime in.=20
>=20
> See the metadata draft for an example of both: =
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-00#section-5.4
>=20
> Thanks,
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On Feb 22, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie) =
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> XML
> Includes concept of namespaces.

JSON has couple of options for namespaces:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-json-namespaces-00
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/01/17/Extensible-JSON



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
 This draft is a work item of the Content Delivery Networks Interconnection=
 Working Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Content Distribution Network Interconnection (CDNI) Requ=
irements
	Author(s)       : Kent Leung
                          Yiu Lee
	Filename        : draft-ietf-cdni-requirements-05.txt
	Pages           : 23
	Date            : 2013-02-23

Abstract:
   Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) are frequently used for large-scale
   content delivery.  As a result, existing CDN providers are scaling up
   their infrastructure and many Network Service Providers (NSPs) are
   deploying their own CDNs.  There is a requirement for interconnecting
   standalone CDNs so that their collective CDN footprint can be
   leveraged for the end-to-end delivery of content from Content Service
   Providers (CSPs) to end users.  The Content Distribution Network
   Interconnection (CDNI) working group has been chartered to develop an
   interoperable and scalable solution for such CDN interconnection.

   The goal of the present document is to outline the requirements for
   the solution and interfaces to be specified by the CDNI working
   group.  This draft is a work in progress and requirements may be
   added, modified, or removed by the working group.

Requirements Language

   The key words "High Priority", "Medium Priority" and "Low Priority"
   in this document are to be interpreted in the following way:

   o  "High Priority" indicates requirements that are to be supported by
      the CDNI interfaces.  A requirement is stated as "High Priority"
      when it is established by the working group that it can be met
      without compromising the targeted schedule for WG deliverables, or
      when it is established that specifying a solution without meeting
      this requirement would not make sense and would justify re-
      adjusting the WG schedule, or both.  This is tagged as "[HIGH]".

   o  "Medium Priority" indicates requirements that are to be supported
      by the CDNI interfaces unless the WG realizes at a later stage
      that attempting to meet this requirement would compromise the
      overall WG schedule (for example it would involve complexities
      that would result in significantly delaying the deliverables).
      This is tagged as "[MED]".

   o  "Low Priority" indicates requirements that are to be supported by
      the CDNI interfaces provided that dedicating WG resources to this
      work does not prevent addressing "High Priority" and "Medium
      Priority" requirements and that attempting to meet this
      requirement would not compromise the overall WG schedule.  This is
      tagged as "[LOW]".



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cdni-requirements

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cdni-requirements-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-cdni-requirements-05


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Hi Gilles. My comments below in "KL>".

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Subject: Re: [CDNi] Requirement for CDNI Logs in uCDN --> dCDN direction?

Hi Fran=E7ois,

There are several use cases for providing Logging information from uCDN to =
dCDN. The main ones are:
- debugging
- security auditing

Quite often, both dCDN and uCDN have partial information about an event, an=
d want to compare this information. For instance, if uCDN complains that ma=
ny client requests are not served, such comparison helps establishing where=
 the problem is located and who is responsible for that. In this case, the =
dCDN may for instance request the uCDN Logging information related to the H=
TTP redirection from uCDN to dCDN and compare this information to its own c=
ontent delivery logs.=20

KL> In this case, uCDN can debug the issue by obtaining the logs from dCDN =
and analyze that along with its logs for HTTP redirection to the dCDN. That=
 should be sufficient to isolate the problem (e.g. redirection was not rece=
ived by dCDN, dCDN could not deliver content) and identify the responsible =
CDN. It's still not clear to me why dCDN needs to get logs from uCDN for tr=
oubleshooting since uCDN has all the information based on its logs and the =
dCDN's logs? I'm not quite convinced by this example.

Another example: if content acquisition does not work, the dCDN knows which=
 requests it has sent and the uCDN knows which ones it has received, as wel=
l as what error may have occurred during the processing of these requests. =
The dCDN may request uCDN's content acquisition Logging data and compare it=
 to its own content acquisition logs.

KL> In this case, dCDN would know content acquisition requests that succeed=
ed or failed and can log the events. Also, uCDN would know about failure in=
 some scenarios but not all (e.g. no connection between CDNs). From the deb=
ugging perspective, it seems the practical approach is to have dCDN's log t=
he delivery failed due to inability to acquire the content from uCDN. Again=
, uCDN would be able to isolate the problem by evaluating its logs along wi=
th the dCDN's logs.

Note that the need of supporting logging exchanges from uCDN to dCDN is one=
 among several arguments in favor of using CI interface for Logging control=
:

[http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bertrand-cdni-logging-02#page-8]

"
	The rationale
   for using the Control interface for Logging Control (instead of for
   instance using the Metadata interface) includes:

   o  the Logging Control interactions typically define fairly static
      information for initializing and controlling the Logging
      interface, which matches the role of the Control Interface as
      described in [I-D.ietf-cdni-framework] and [RFC6707].

   o  the Logging Control information (specifying the Logging
      information format and scope is primarily intended to be consumed
      by the (typically fairly centralized) logical entity responsible
      for collecting intra-CDN logs, processing, filtering those and
      then exporting the relevant subset of logs/fields to the other
      CDNs.

   o  the surrogates within a given CDN are typically not expected to
      need to be aware of the specific set of fields or set of events
      that have been requested by various interconnected CDNs.  Rather
      the surrogates are likely to perform some generic logging for all
      services regardless of the peculiarities of every CDNI agreement.
      Processing (e.g. filtering, format adaptation) of the generic
      logging information generated by the Surrogates is expected to
      take place to ensure that each interconnected CDN receives the
      specific set of fields and logs it has requested through Logging
      Control.  Therefore there is no need to ensure that the Logging
      control information be easily distributable through the CDNs right
      down to surrogates.

   o  the Control interface is expected to support the capability to
      apply control at the granularity of content sets (e.g. for content
      Purge) which is required for Logging Control since it is expected
      that a CDN may require different sets of logging fields and events
      for different sets of content (e.g. because it only needs to
      perform coarse billing for a given CSP while it needs to provide
      detailed analytics for another CSP).
"

KL> I see Logging Control as a different topic from requirement for directi=
onal logging. First step is to validate the value of uCDN to dCDN direction=
 for logging reporting. I'm not persuaded yet that there's a need. But open=
 to others' opinions. :)=20

Kent

Best regards,

Gilles




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=A0: jeudi 22 novembre 2012 16:20 =C0=A0: STEPHAN Emile OLNC/OLN; BERTRAND =
Gilles OLNC/OLN Cc=A0: <cdni@ietf.org> Objet=A0: Requirement for CDNI Logs =
in uCDN --> dCDN direction?

Emile, Gilles,

In Atlanta, there was some non-conclusive discussion on whether or not ther=
e was a strong enough requirement for passing CDNI Logging information from=
 uCDN to dCDN.

Could you identify examples of CDNI Logging information that one may want t=
o communicate from uCDN to dCDN?

Thanks

Francois


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Hi Ray. Appreciate your thorough review and thoughtful comments.=20

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Hi Kent, Francois, Matt,

I've reviewed draft-leung-cdni-uri-signing-01 and have a couple of comments=
.=20

- In its current form, the draft seems to lack a section that deals with th=
e concept of URI signing from more of a system/high-level perspective. Such=
 a section could explain how the signed URI is being used between the CSP, =
uCDN and dCDN respectively. As an example: the current draft seems to imply=
 that the same Signed URI that is created by the CSP is checked by the dCDN=
. An alternative would be to have each transcient CDN 're-sign' the URI, re=
ducing the number of parties that need to have access to a CSP key (in the =
case of symmetric keys). I would imagine a section in the draft that explai=
ns the trade-offs between these choices and argumentation why a specific me=
thod was chosen.

KL> Agree that would be helpful to have in the draft.

- The draft would benefit from a clear division between the general concept=
s behind URI signing and the specific algorithm that is proposed in section=
 3. I would assume that since the draft introduces the ALG field, that the =
method described in the latter part of section 3 is just one example (altho=
ugh maybe a preferred/recommended one) of such an algorithm.

KL> This may be related to the earlier comment (i.e. provide general concep=
t of URI signing). Section 3 is a specific algorithm (default) in the base =
URI signing solution. New algorithms can be introduced as extensions to URI=
 signing.

- In either the terminology section or the overview, it might be useful to =
spend a few sentences on explaining your concept of 'key' and what it repre=
sents. From reading the document, it seems that keys are being used in two =
ways: 1) as a salt for cryptographic hashes such as SHA-1 or MD5, and 2) as=
 encryption/decryption keys in case the URI signing algorithm specifies tha=
t the result of the hash should be encrypted (primarily in cases where asym=
metric keys are used). The way the document is written right now, this seco=
nd use of the 'key' concept is relatively 'hidden' from the casual reader. =
Considering the fact that you mention asymmetric keys early on, this can co=
nfuse the reader, since the combination of hashes and asymmetric keys seems=
 odd. Maybe it would be even better to use two different terms for the two =
uses that 'key' seems to have.=20

KL> Let me think if there's a better way to clarify, especially for asymmet=
ric key support.

- In the same way that section 2 defines the HF field, shouldn't it also de=
fine something like an Encryption Function (EF) field, to define the specif=
ic form of encryption used in the case asymmetric keys are used? Alternativ=
ely, both the HF and EF fields could also be a function of the ALG field, r=
educing the number of necessary fields in the URI.=20

KL> Let me consider that. I need to refresh my memory on asymmetric key sup=
port.

- It could be useful to divide the list of attributes in section 2 into a l=
ist containing attributes used for checking the validity of a given request=
 (e.g. the ET and CIP fields) and a list containing attributes used for re-=
calculating the signature (e.g. the ALG, HF, KO and KN fields).=20

KL> Sounds reasonable to categorize the attributes.

- What is the semantic distinction between the CIP and CID fields, apart fr=
om the fact that CIP could be considered a specific case of CID?=20

KL> Yes, generally, CID is needed for validation. CIP is a specific informa=
tion that is part of the IP packet. The other CID parameters are more detai=
ls that helps identify the client/user/subscriber. Since the information is=
 not part of the IP packet, it requires some other way of validating the co=
rrectness. I'm wondering if we should drop CID attribute?

Kent

Best regards,

Ray
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Hi all, we've uploaded a new version of the triggers draft.

Changes in this version are ...

  - we've made it uCDN's responsibility to schedule preposition
    and invalidate/purge requests affecting the same URLs so that
    they do not interact badly, and went back to a single trigger
    operation per request
  - added error reporting
  - allow dCDN implementations not to track and report status of
    triggered activity (they can accept requests as 'best-effort'
    and estimate a completion time without having to confirm
    completion)
  - aligned content references with the metadata draft
  - note that dCDN may ignore 'scheme' (http/https) when
    matching content urls for invalidate/purge


Cheers,
Rob.

On 24/02/2013 11:33, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
wrote:

>
>A new version of I-D, draft-murray-cdni-triggers-02.txt
>has been successfully submitted by Rob Murray and posted to the
>IETF repository.
>
>Filename:	 draft-murray-cdni-triggers
>Revision:	 02
>Title:		 CDN Interconnect Triggers
>Creation date:	 2013-02-24
>Group:		 Individual Submission
>Number of pages: 36
>URL:            =20
>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-murray-cdni-triggers-02.txt
>Status:         =20
>http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-murray-cdni-triggers
>Htmlized:        http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-murray-cdni-triggers-02
>Diff:           =20
>http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-murray-cdni-triggers-02
>
>Abstract:
>   This document proposes a mechanism for a CDN to trigger activity in
>   an interconnected CDN that is configured to deliver content on its
>   behalf.  The upstream CDN can use this mechanism to request that the
>   downstream CDN pre-positions metadata or content, or that it re-
>   validate or purge metadata or content.  The upstream CDN can monitor
>   the status of activity that it has triggered in the downstream CDN.
>
>
>                 =20
>       =20
>
>
>The IETF Secretariat
>


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The subject line says it all,
Please find details below,

 - Jan

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Subject: Fwd: Meeting invitation: CDNI Footprint Interim Meeting

Hi Jan, All,

here below the webex info.

s.



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	Topic: CDNI Footprint Interim Meeting=20
	Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013=20
	Time: 4:00 pm, Europe Time (Amsterdam, GMT+01:00)=20
	Meeting Number: 200 708 738=20
	Meeting Password: cdni=20
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=09
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=09
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=09
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=09
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Btw: I am attaching again the "summary/status quo" document I had circulate=
d a while ago that summarizes our past discussions, agreements/decisions, a=
nd where we are at (open issues).

Please read it before the call tomorrow if you intend to join.

Thanks,
Jan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdni-footprint-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:cdni-footprint-
> bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jan Seedorf
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:16 AM
> To: cdni@ietf.org; cdni-footprint@ietf.org
> Subject: [cdni-footprint] REMINDER: CDNI Footprint/Capabilities Phone Cal=
l
> tomorrow (TUE, FEB 26, 16:00-18:00 CET)
>=20
> The subject line says it all,
> Please find details below,
>=20
>  - Jan
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stefano previdi [mailto:sprevidi@cisco.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:08 PM
> To: Jan Seedorf
> Cc: cdni@ietf.org; cdni-footprint@ietf.org
> Subject: Fwd: Meeting invitation: CDNI Footprint Interim Meeting
>=20
> Hi Jan, All,
>=20
> here below the webex info.
>=20
> s.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Begin forwarded message:
>=20
>=20
> 	Topic: CDNI Footprint Interim Meeting
> 	Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013
> 	Time: 4:00 pm, Europe Time (Amsterdam, GMT+01:00)
> 	Meeting Number: 200 708 738
> 	Meeting Password: cdni
>=20
>=20
> 	-------------------------------------------------------
> 	To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
> 	-------------------------------------------------------
> 	1. Go to
> https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&UID=3D1977654872
> &PW=3DNOTE5ODVkMDYx&RT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D
> 	2. Enter your name and email address.
> 	3. Enter the meeting password: cdni
> 	4. Click "Join Now".
>=20
> 	To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:
> 	https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&UID=3D1977
> 654872&PW=3DNOTE5ODVkMDYx&ORT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D
>=20
> 	----------------------------------------------------------------
> 	ALERT:Toll-Free Dial Restrictions for (408) and (919) Area Codes
> 	----------------------------------------------------------------
>=20
> 	The affected toll free numbers are: (866) 432-9903 for the San
> Jose/Milpitas area and (866) 349-3520 for the RTP area.
>=20
> 	Please dial the local access number for your area from the list below:
> 	- San Jose/Milpitas (408) area: 525-6800
> 	- RTP (919) area: 392-3330
>=20
> 	-------------------------------------------------------
> 	To join the teleconference only
> 	-------------------------------------------------------
> 	1. Dial into Cisco WebEx (view all Global Access Numbers at
> 	http://cisco.com/en/US/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.
> html
> 	2. Follow the prompts to enter the Meeting Number (listed above) or
> Access Code followed by the # sign.
>=20
> 	San Jose, CA: +1.408.525.6800 RTP: +1.919.392.3330
>=20
> 	US/Canada: +1.866.432.9903 United Kingdom: +44.20.8824.0117
>=20
> 	India: +91.80.4350.1111 Germany: +49.619.6773.9002
>=20
> 	Japan: +81.3.5763.9394 China: +86.10.8515.5666
>=20
> 	-------------------------------------------------------
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> 	-------------------------------------------------------
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>=20
> 	You can contact me at:
> 	sprevidi@cisco.com
> 	39-0651644491
>=20
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> Outlook), click this link:
> 	https://cisco.webex.com/ciscosales/j.php?ED=3D217696322&UID=3D1977
> 654872&ICS=3DMI&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DAAAAAhOSX7u6xIDSjqJHLmWzg
> 0XKsT2N-/JfuaXI9xhGXigi&RT=3DMiMyMg%3D%3D
>=20
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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	Title           : CDN Interconnect Metadata
	Author(s)       : Ben Niven-Jenkins
                          Rob Murray
                          Grant Watson
                          Matt Caulfield
                          Kent Leung
                          Kevin J. Ma
	Filename        : draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-01.txt
	Pages           : 39
	Date            : 2013-02-25

Abstract:
   The CDNI Metadata Interface enables interconnected CDNs to exchange
   content distribution metadata in order to enable content acquisition
   and delivery.  The CDNI metadata associated with a piece of content
   provides a downstream CDN with sufficient information for the
   downstream CDN to service content requests on behalf of an upstream
   CDN.  This document describes both the core set of CDNI metadata and
   the protocol for exchanging that metadata.



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	Title           : CDN Interconnect Metadata
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                          Rob Murray
                          Grant Watson
                          Matt Caulfield
                          Kent Leung
                          Kevin J. Ma
	Filename        : draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-01.txt
	Pages           : 39
	Date            : 2013-02-25

Abstract:
   The CDNI Metadata Interface enables interconnected CDNs to exchange
   content distribution metadata in order to enable content acquisition
   and delivery.  The CDNI metadata associated with a piece of content
   provides a downstream CDN with sufficient information for the
   downstream CDN to service content requests on behalf of an upstream
   CDN.  This document describes both the core set of CDNI metadata and
   the protocol for exchanging that metadata.



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Slight preference for JSON, as I see 'fast to parse' and 'terse' as the mos=
t important properties. =


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Hi everyone,

While writing the CDNI metadata draft, we have been struggling with the cho=
ice between XML and JSON for encoding metadata. =


We are turning to the list for inspiration and hopefully a decision. Below =
is an extremely high level synopsis of the options. =


XML
  Verbose.
  Flexible.
  Allows for both elements and attributes.
  Standardized schema definition language.
  Includes concept of namespaces.

JSON
  Terse. =

  Fast to parse.
  Allows for ordered lists.

If you feel strongly one way or the other, please chime in. =


See the metadata draft for an example of both: http://tools.ietf.org/html/d=
raft-ietf-cdni-metadata-00#section-5.4

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Hi Ben, =


Thanks for addressing my comments. For the others, please see inline. =


For some of these issues, it might be good to have a meeting in Orlando to =
discuss them.

Best regards,

Ray

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rection-03

Ray,

On 30 Jan 2013, at 09:23, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van wrote:
> From: Ben Niven-Jenkins [mailto:ben@niven-jenkins.co.uk] On 29 Jan =

> 2013, at 10:26, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van wrote:
> =

>> I've reviewed draft-he-cdni-routing-request-redirection-03 and have some=
 questions/comments:

I've addressed you comments in my working draft of -04 except these which I=
'd like to discuss further:

>> - How does the draft relate to work currently being done on the Metadata=
 interface? Particularly in dealing with multiple files being described by =
the same (or higher level) metadata object.  In its current form, the draft=
 specifies that a RRRI Request contains a URL to the metadata object associ=
ated with the  UA request. It might be useful to allow a dCDN to reply with=
 a RRRI Response indicating that a particular reply is valid for a particul=
ar set of CDNI Metadata (not necessarily being the same set referenced by t=
he uCDN). Such a feature would be particularly useful in HAS scenarios, whe=
re with the current draft you would have hundreds of RRRI Request for each =
individual segment. =

> =

> We might need to dig into this a bit more but...
> =

> My opinion is that request routing policy should only be set at the Host =
level and not the path level in CDNI metadata.
> =

> Allowing the dCDN to specify a scope against which the RRRI response appl=
ies is something we've already included. If we want to extend the current s=
cope object we have defined I am OK with that but I'd like it to be based o=
ff specific use cases so we can explore the implications of doing so.
> =

> I guess I'm saying - can you articulate the use case around HAS you have =
in mind and then we can work through what would make sense to return in a R=
RRI response?
> =

> [Ray] So, the use case I have in mind is that a particular HAS content it=
em consists of a couple of hundred segments. If we wouldn't do anything spe=
cific in the RRRI, this would mean that a separate RRRI Request and Respons=
e would be sent for every individual segment. For some CDNs this might be p=
erfectly fine, and would allow them a fine granularity to do per-segment RR=
. However, it might perhaps be more efficient if it would be possible for a=
 dCDN to reply with: 'Ok, here you go with the redirect response for this p=
articular segment, and by the way, if you have any requests for segments as=
sociated with this one (indicated by metadata), you can also redirect them =
to me'.

If I understand correctly what you are really asking for is some method by =
which to indicate the scope of the RI response is wider than just the URI t=
hat triggered the RI request?

[Ray] Yes.

Returning some kind of URI pattern match (possibly extracted from the CDNI =
PathMetadata/PathMatch) seems appealing but I am not sure how realistic it =
would be to implement in practice.

I know of implementations that effectively hash URLs across surrogates for =
load balancing and other purposes, and I am not sure whether it would be fe=
asible to generically describe such hashing algorithms (or whether implemen=
tors would be willing to expose their hashing/load balancing algorithms). =


[Ray] I must admit that I'm not familiar with the mechanisms you describe, =
although from your explanation I don't see how this would be a problem. The=
 node in the dCDN that responds to the uCDNs RRRI Request will have to be a=
ware of the full URI, or else it would not be able to respond at all. Why w=
ouldn't it be possible for this same node to respond with a wider scope? Of=
 course such behavior should be optional. Maybe we can discuss this further=
 in Orlando. =


>> - It might be useful to include in the draft a short note or comment tha=
t discusses byte range requests and how this is dealt with by the RRRI inte=
rface. =

> =

> Byte range requests are independent of request routing, or are you sugges=
ting we should allow a dCDN to redirect to different surrogates based on th=
e first byte range the original UA requests (which is a bad idea IMO)?
> =

> [Ray] I agree with you that something like that is not necessary. What I =
would like to see in the draft is a short discussion how both a uCDN and dC=
DN should interpret a RRRI Request/Response with regards to byte range requ=
est. So let's say the UA sends a request to the uCDN for a particular file =
with a particular byte range (e.g. for a Smooth Streaming fragment). The uC=
DN encapsulates this request and sends a RRRI Request to the dCDN. The dCDN=
 replies with a RRRI Response. The question is what the scope of the RRRI R=
equest and Response should be, is the scope limited to that particular byte=
 range, or is it for the entire file. In other words: should the dCDN expec=
t to receive additional RRRI Requests for other byte ranges of the same fil=
e or should it assume that is has agreed to also deliver any other byte ran=
ges for that particular file? I'm not suggesting that we need any new funct=
ionality, I just think some definition of scope with regards to byte ranges=
 and RRRI could be helpful. =


Byte ranges are no different to any other types of request in that regard. =
If the UA follows a redirect and holds a persistent connection to the surro=
gate, there will be no more RI requests. If the surrogate doesn't hold a pe=
rsistent connection the UA will recontact the Request Router (either a uCDN=
 Request Router or Redirection Target that is a request router returned in =
the original RI request) for the next request (normal or byte range). If th=
e contacted request router is a uCDN request router, it can use any cacheab=
ility/scope of the previous RI response to redirect the UA without issuing =
another RI request to the dCDN. Otherwise if it decides to use dCDN again i=
t must issue a new RI request.

So when a dCDN sends a RI response indicating it is willing to perform a de=
livery (whether the original request is for a byte rage or not) it is impli=
citly agreeing to delivery any further requests it receives from the UA eit=
her because the UA maintains a persistent connection or because the request=
 routing performed means that the UA recontacts a Request Router outside of=
 uCDN (e.g. dCDN's request router).

[Ray] It is exactly that implicit assumption that I would like to make clea=
r in the document, because it has a direct impact on a) the way a dCDN shou=
ld acquire and cache content from the uCDN and b) the scope of the RRRI agr=
eement between the dCDN and uCDN. Let me put it another way: let's say ther=
e is a 20GB file on the uCDN. At some point in time, the dCDN receives a re=
quest from the uCDN whether it would like to deliver a small portion (say 5=
mb byte range) of the larger file. With no assurance that the UA will come =
back for the rest of the file, should the dCDN acquire the entire file from=
 the uCDN, or should it only acquire the requested byte range? =


I'm not sure that the RI specification draft if the place to describe such =
things. If we put it anywhere it seems the framework would be a more approp=
riate place.

[Ray] I agree that this could also be discussed in the framework document, =
but IMO it definitely should have a place in the RRRI document since it is =
directly related to the scope of the RRRI Request. =


HTH
Ben

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<DIV><B>Subject:</B>&nbsp;Re: [CDNi] XML vs JSON</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Slight&nbsp;preference&nbsp;for&nbsp;JSON,&nbsp;as&nbsp;I&nbsp;see&nb=
sp;'fast&nbsp;to&nbsp;parse'&nbsp;and&nbsp;'terse'&nbsp;as&nbsp;the&nbsp;m=
ost&nbsp;important&nbsp;properties.&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>Ray</DIV>
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<DIV>-----Original&nbsp;Message-----</DIV>
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nbsp;On&nbsp;Behalf&nbsp;Of&nbsp;Matt&nbsp;Caulfield&nbsp;(mcaulfie)</DIV>
<DIV>Sent:&nbsp;vrijdag&nbsp;22&nbsp;februari&nbsp;2013&nbsp;22:12</DIV>
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<DIV>Subject:&nbsp;[CDNi]&nbsp;XML&nbsp;vs&nbsp;JSON</DIV>
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;between&nbsp;XML&nbsp;and&nbsp;JSON&nbsp;for&nbsp;encoding&nbsp;metadata.=
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piration&nbsp;and&nbsp;hopefully&nbsp;a&nbsp;decision.&nbsp;Below&nbsp;is&=
nbsp;an&nbsp;extremely&nbsp;high&nbsp;level&nbsp;synopsis&nbsp;of&nbsp;the=
&nbsp;options.&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>XML</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;Verbose.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;Flexible.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;Allows&nbsp;for&nbsp;both&nbsp;elements&nbsp;and&nbsp;att=
ributes.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;Standardized&nbsp;schema&nbsp;definition&nbsp;language.</=
DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;Includes&nbsp;concept&nbsp;of&nbsp;namespaces.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>JSON</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;Terse.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;Fast&nbsp;to&nbsp;parse.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;Allows&nbsp;for&nbsp;ordered&nbsp;lists.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If&nbsp;you&nbsp;feel&nbsp;strongly&nbsp;one&nbsp;way&nbsp;or&nbsp;th=
e&nbsp;other,&nbsp;please&nbsp;chime&nbsp;in.&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>See&nbsp;the&nbsp;metadata&nbsp;draft&nbsp;for&nbsp;an&nbsp;example&n=
bsp;of&nbsp;both:&nbsp;http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cdni-metadata=
-00#section-5.4</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Matt</DIV>
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Dear all,

Please find my notes from yesterday's footprint/capabilities call below. I =
think we had a good discussion and made some progress regarding how footpri=
nt and capabilities should be tied together, "default/implied" values for f=
ootprint or capabilities, and that advertising a delta is probably better t=
han advertising the whole state each time.

I will set up a doodle in the next days so that we can hopefully have a sid=
e meeting in Orlando with the goal of concluding the design team in the nea=
r future and giving out conclusions back to the WG so that actual protocol =
proposals (adhering to those conclusions) can start being discussed.

 - Jan

Notes from CDNI  Footprint/Capabilities Phone Call 20130226
**********************************************
-- Jon: don't see why different types of footprint are exclusive (why can't=
 we allow for both in the sense of a flexible protocol)
-- Scott: what about footprint and capabilities being tied together? Kevin:=
 we need to say how they are tied together; we need to start the discussion=
 on how to advertise how footprint and capabilities correlate with each oth=
er
-- Jan: do we want to advertise full state or only delta/change with respec=
t to already advertised state? Kevin: do not like exclusions, rather would =
re-advertise with inclusions
-- Jon: I don't think that failures that violate an SLA would be communicat=
ed via a protocol
-- agreement that there can be an implied/default footprint but also an exp=
licit footprint
-- Kevin: idea of implicit capabilities may be dangerous
-- Jon: let's aim for a protocol that is simple for most use cases (but all=
ows to handle the more complex ones)
-- Jon: difference between "mandatory to support" and "mandatory to use" fo=
r capabilities
-- possibility to have tags that subsume a certain combination of footprint=
/capabilities, so that referencing to such a tag/handle can simplify things
-- agreement that metadata geo-location objects/definitions need to be alig=
ned with footprint/capabilities advertisement, e.g. footprint/capabilities =
advertisement could point to metadata descriptors
-- footprint and capabilities should be correlated, a handler for geographi=
c locations can simplify things, handler can be a pointer to a metadata des=
criptor
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