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Sat, 8 Nov 2014 10:01:42 -0700 From: Daryl Malas To: "cdni@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Presentation Slides Thread-Index: AQHP+3WqxLNkFrdpqUCJi2PnaOzaKg== Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 17:01:40 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.5.141003 x-originating-ip: [10.5.0.27] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/m95TwjhZ4LObeZVgH75nYsSdNpk Subject: Re: [CDNi] Presentation Slides X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 17:01:47 -0000 All, We need all of the presentation slides by Sunday (tomorrow), noon. Remember, our working group meets on Monday this time around. Regards, Daryl On 11/6/14, 10:49 AM, "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" wrote: >Hello, > >Please send asap to Daryl and I your draft slides for Monday=B9s meeting. > >As usual: > * include slide number at the bottom of each slide > * send us a PDF version (and a PPT version if possible so we can embed >suggestions/comments if needed on draft versions). > >Cheers > >Francois >_______________________________________________ >CDNi mailing list >CDNi@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From nobody Sat Nov 8 11:12:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533CF1A03A8 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 11:12:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TAwF-WUkNlVE for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 11:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 547491A0015 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 11:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7795410892A for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 20:12:23 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FFjKd7uUIZ0W for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 20:12:23 +0100 (CET) X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted X-ENC: Last-Hop-TLS-encrypted Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4796C108927 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 20:12:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from PALLENE.office.hd ([169.254.1.63]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Sat, 8 Nov 2014 20:12:21 +0100 From: Jan Seedorf To: "cdni@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Review of the CDNI metadata draft Thread-Index: Ac/6pz268Femhzb2SuSxAiIVfSE0WA== Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:12:21 +0000 Message-ID: <2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE91DFB769@PALLENE.office.hd> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.7.0.210] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE91DFB769PALLENEofficehd_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/TXxoOTegLcJk-OdbX-vRPRxgTUg Subject: [CDNi] Review of the CDNI metadata draft X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 19:12:29 -0000 --_000_2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE91DFB769PALLENEofficehd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As promised, I reviewed the -08 version of the metadata draft. Here are my = comments: n In general, the draft reads well and the concepts are well-described and= clearly understandable (I briefly checked all the detailed object specific= ations and found no errors); the draft is in a very mature state and indeed= seems ready for publication soon; also, the example in section 6 is very c= lear; I just have a couple of detailed comments below n Section 1.2: it talks about capabilities (which are later on explained i= n section 5) but there is no reference to the FCI documents; I think you sh= ould add some text and refs on how the metadata capabilities relate to the = CDNI FCI n Section 5: this text needs to be revised according to the latest decisio= n we have made regarding the definition of MI FCI objects being outside of = the metadata draft; but this decision has been announced on the mailing lis= t after the -08 version was published, so obviously it could not have been = addressed n Section 8 - Security Considerations: this section needs to be improved i= n my view; it is not very clear about the difference between integrity and = confidentiality (e.g. talks about using encryption to provide integrity, bu= t usually digital signatures or HMACs are used for that); also the term "pr= ivate" is used referring to dCDNs information (and not to end users), this = needs to be clarified better; finally, among all the threats mentioned, sev= eral key ones are missing, such as an attacker modifying unprotected CDNI m= etadata in order to change restrictions etc. such that unauthorized end use= rs may access content they are not supposed to (from the content provider p= erspective this seems to be an important threat regarding CDNI) n TLS usage: from the attacker model described in section 8, it seems clea= r that TLS is strongly advised and would fulfill the security requirements;= yet, in section 1.2 it reads like supported CDNI MI over TLS needs further= specifications, is this true? n I found several typos, but instead of listing them here I will pass on m= y printout with the marks to the authors on-site at IETF-91 - Jan =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dr. Jan Seedorf Senior Researcher NEC Europe Ltd., NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Division Kurfuerstenanlag= e 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-221 Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail: jan.seedorf@neclab.eu =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NEC Europe Ltd, Registered Office: Athene, Odyssey Business Park, West End = Road, London, HA4 6QE, GB, Registered in England 2832014 --_000_2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE91DFB769PALLENEofficehd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As promised, I reviewed the -08= version of the metadata draft. Here are my comments:

 

n  In general, the draft r= eads well and the concepts are well-described and clearly understandable (I= briefly checked all the detailed object specifications and found no errors= ); the draft is in a very mature state and indeed seems ready for publication soon; also, the example in section = 6 is very clear; I just have a couple of detailed comments below=

n  Section 1.2: it talks a= bout capabilities (which are later on explained in section 5) but there is = no reference to the FCI documents; I think you should add some text and ref= s on how the metadata capabilities relate to the CDNI FCI

n  Section 5: this text ne= eds to be revised according to the latest decision we have made regarding t= he definition of MI FCI objects being outside of the metadata draft; but th= is decision has been announced on the mailing list after the -08 version was published, so obviously it coul= d not have been addressed

n  Section 8 – Secur= ity Considerations: this section needs to be improved in my view; it is not= very clear about the difference between integrity and confidentiality (e.g= . talks about using encryption to provide integrity, but usually digital signatures or HMACs are used for that); als= o the term “private” is used referring to dCDNs information (an= d not to end users), this needs to be clarified better; finally, among all = the threats mentioned, several key ones are missing, such as an attacker modifying unprotected CDNI metadata in order = to change restrictions etc. such that unauthorized end users may access con= tent they are not supposed to (from the content provider perspective this s= eems to be an important threat regarding CDNI)

n  TLS usage: from the att= acker model described in section 8, it seems clear that TLS is strongly adv= ised and would fulfill the security requirements; yet, in section 1.2 it re= ads like supported CDNI MI over TLS needs further specifications, is this true?

n  I found several typos, = but instead of listing them here I will pass on my printout with the marks = to the authors on-site at IETF-91

 

-=    &n= bsp;      Jan

 

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Dr. Jan Seedorf

Senior Researcher

NEC Europe Ltd., NEC Laboratori= es Europe, Network Division Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel.&n= bsp;    +49 (0)6221 4342-221

Fax:     &#= 43;49 (0)6221 4342-155

e-mail:  jan.seedorf@neclab.eu

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NEC Europe Ltd, Registered Offi= ce: Athene, Odyssey Business Park, West End  Road, London, HA4 6QE, GB= , Registered in England 2832014

 

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Slides have been uploaded on IETF-91 Materials site:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/91/materials.html

Please check you see what you expect.
Cheers

Francois
--_000_774E536CBFC746D1BA8C9A8AF3B36B49ciscocom_-- From nobody Sun Nov 9 19:29:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E07C1A88A8 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 19:29:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QbLcr74ncm4U for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 19:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592941A889F for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2014 19:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-889e.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.136.158]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XnffU-0003dv-42; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 03:29:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E28110@dfweml701-chm> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 03:29:21 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E253F2@dfweml701-chm> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E28110@dfweml701-chm> To: Linda Dunbar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/spW5Zkl3qZtp0TQDGxEVU4G1hAo Cc: "draft-ietf-cdni-metadata@tools.ietf.org" , "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] review comments to draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-08 X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 03:29:32 -0000 Linda, I thought it would be worthwhile to post a summary of our hallway = conversation just now on your question below for the benefit of the = wider WG and to close this review comment. You are essentially asking whether it would be possible to represent the = data structures used by the CDNI Metadata draft in other formats, such = as XML. As we discussed just now, it is perfectly possible to represent the CDNI = metadata data structures in other formats, but after some debate within = the WG consensus was to specify the interfaces using JSON, which is what = is specified in the Metadata document you kindly reviewed for us. Regards Ben On 30 Oct 2014, at 15:53, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Ben,=20 >=20 > Your draft showed JSON model. The same information can be represented = by other models, like XML or YANG.=20 >=20 > Therefore, I think it is better to have a section describing the = information model, and have another section showing JSON data model.=20 >=20 > Linda=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Niven-Jenkins [mailto:ben@niven-jenkins.co.uk]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 6:10 PM > To: Linda Dunbar > Cc: cdni@ietf.org; draft-ietf-cdni-metadata@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CDNi] review comments to draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-08 >=20 > Linda, >=20 > On 28 Oct 2014, at 22:22, Linda Dunbar = wrote: >=20 >> Ben, Rob, Matt, and Kevin, >>=20 >> Is section 3 meant for "Information Model"? >>=20 >> I think there should be a section to describe the information model = (or UML) for the CDNi Meta data before the actual data model. >=20 > Could you expand a bit on what improvement you think including an = information model would add to the document? >=20 > I don't recall coming across something like that in other protocols = specifications. >=20 > Thanks > Ben >=20 >>=20 >> Linda >=20 From nobody Mon Nov 10 05:12:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D38B1A89B9 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:12:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2gQci3pmB9e4 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:12:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from fromintoutb.tno.nl (fromintoutb.tno.nl [134.221.1.27]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927451A8A49 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 05:12:18 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,352,1413237600"; d="scan'208,217";a="5506357" Received: from exc-cashub02.tsn.tno.nl (HELO mail.tno.nl) ([134.221.225.221]) by mailhost1b.tno.nl with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2014 14:12:17 +0100 Received: from EXC-MBX03.tsn.tno.nl ([fe80::e969:1300:fb9f:7e12]) by EXC-CASHUB02.tsn.tno.nl ([fe80::8c02:de2a:3094:171%14]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:12:16 +0100 From: "Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van" To: "draft-ietf-cdni-control-triggers@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Start of Working Group Last Call on "draft-ietf-cdni-control-triggers-04" Thread-Index: AQHP/OfyUC+bB7O77Uy5D+ZlbFiHNA== Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:12:16 +0000 Message-ID: <8C9585EE-24BE-444C-AF54-7C9E1034A4A9@tno.nl> Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/15.3.0.141024 x-originating-ip: [134.221.225.153] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8C9585EE24BE444CAF547C9E1034A4A9tnonl_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/jVLOkXxbSdka3Prp4S0HBj9wzhI Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Start of Working Group Last Call on "draft-ietf-cdni-control-triggers-04" X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , 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text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.7.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20141110233955.18069.1914.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:39:55 -0800 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/eFottFHtPbVPSrvScH-1qPNae7w Cc: cdni@ietf.org Subject: [CDNi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05.txt X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 23:40:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Content Delivery Networks Interconnection Working Group of the IETF. Title : Request Routing Redirection Interface for CDN Interconnection Authors : Ben Niven-Jenkins Ray van Brandenburg Filename : draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2014-11-10 Abstract: The Request Routing Interface comprises of (1) the asynchronous advertisement of footprint and capabilities by a downstream CDN that allows a upstream CDN to decide whether to redirect particular user requests to that downstream CDN; and (2) the synchronous operation of an upstream CDN requesting whether a downstream CDN is prepared to accept a user request and of a downstream CDN responding with how to actually redirect the user request. This document describes an interface for the latter part, i.e. the CDNI Request Routing Redirection interface. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cdni-redirection/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 10 15:41:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A391AD094 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:41:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XXwOfnH_axp2 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A9B1A6FC5 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-a058.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.160.88]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XnyaO-00007m-Ai for cdni@ietf.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 23:41:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: <20141110233955.18069.1914.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 23:41:25 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20141110233955.18069.1914.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/9CNflrW3bXTu_bnsLhdrTazQZkw Subject: Re: [CDNi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05.txt X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 23:41:32 -0000 Colleagues, This update just contains a small number of editorial changes the = editors noticed when preparing for IETF91. Regards Ben On 10 Nov 2014, at 23:39, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Content Delivery Networks = Interconnection Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Request Routing Redirection Interface for CDN = Interconnection > Authors : Ben Niven-Jenkins > Ray van Brandenburg > Filename : draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05.txt > Pages : 29 > Date : 2014-11-10 >=20 > Abstract: > The Request Routing Interface comprises of (1) the asynchronous > advertisement of footprint and capabilities by a downstream CDN that > allows a upstream CDN to decide whether to redirect particular user > requests to that downstream CDN; and (2) the synchronous operation = of > an upstream CDN requesting whether a downstream CDN is prepared to > accept a user request and of a downstream CDN responding with how to > actually redirect the user request. This document describes an > interface for the latter part, i.e. the CDNI Request Routing > Redirection interface. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cdni-redirection/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From nobody Mon Nov 10 16:23:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5C91AD0CA for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:23:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n6VQngIiT0ay for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05C001AC449 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:23:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2216; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1415665426; x=1416875026; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=f1N2AiXZN5Mrj8IfhBn60Nn+g8AybV4AwespyFDEx5o=; b=m/POiOMixtgosd1+zD1xgP9HNDc4R+xMZPKOu5q7mtsdb8Y63LN4qgC7 VMFlNXTpRUIbGCzE8ylIlX2o3rUTYvNLvrbQ9w50LvJmz8u0C9KCquU0A 0e10qyWQ5+Q/xbgFhopg9xi0qLt2IfZ26xomtkHKczjA64gm2LaMUopoT 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhgFAH5WYVStJV2b/2dsb2JhbABcgw5UVAUEy3YMh00CgSEWAQEBAQF9hAIBAQEEAQEBNzQJDgQCAQgRBAEBCxQJBycLFAkIAgQBEggBiDgIBcx6AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF5BBIzgGgyeBHgWSMYRTiFU9gxKRXYN6bAGBR4EDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,356,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="371004580" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2014 00:23:45 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com [173.37.183.84]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAB0NjVS011122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:23:45 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com ([169.254.6.32]) by xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([173.37.183.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:23:45 -0600 From: "Kent Leung (kleung)" To: "Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie)" , "cdni@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHP8iitmqUDlm8Sw0itBE11rCEj3JxEbWMggBY5JoA= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:23:44 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20141027205746.27672.89779.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D5EA3F8@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D5EA3F8@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.68.207] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/uO-g_5kRAiCxSegWBOep4eXsz5k Subject: Re: [CDNi] New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.txt X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:23:48 -0000 Hi Matt. Just wondering if this supports the case when uCDN wants the dCDN = to perform rate pacing only when delivering over a mobile network but use "= normal" delivery over other access networks? Kent -----Original Message----- From: CDNi [mailto:cdni-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Matt Caulfield (mcau= lfie) Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 2:03 PM To: cdni@ietf.org Subject: [CDNi] FW: New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-= pacing-02.txt This new version of the rate pacing draft incorporates comments from Franco= is sent prior to the London meeting (March 2014). Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:58 PM To: Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie); Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie) Subject: New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.t= xt A new version of I-D, draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Matt Caulfield and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing Revision: 02 Title: CDNI Rate Pacing Document date: 2014-10-27 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 8 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caulfield-cdni-ra= te-pacing-02.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-= pacing/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing= -02 Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-caulfield-cdni-rat= e-pacing-02 Abstract: Rate pacing is a class of network traffic shaping which limits the transmission rate of data over a network. This document defines CDNI extensions for downstream CDNs to support rate pacing on behalf of upstream CDNs. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ CDNi mailing list CDNi@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From nobody Mon Nov 10 16:26:18 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A831A8032 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:26:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b5NwQ1EN4-Nw for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 996AA1AC449 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:26:15 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c6180641-f79916d00000623a-42-5460fc99e164 Received: from EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.90]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id A4.35.25146.99CF0645; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:57:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.90]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:26:13 -0500 From: Kevin Ma J To: "Kent Leung (kleung)" , "Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie)" , "cdni@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHP8iitmqUDlm8Sw0itBE11rCEj3JxEbWMggBY5JoCAAAEEIA== Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:26:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20141027205746.27672.89779.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D5EA3F8@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrNLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPlO6sPwkhBgtfSlg8nf2H1eLY8V/s FlenHmd2YPaY8nsjq8eSJT+ZApiiuGxSUnMyy1KL9O0SuDJm7asrmCNWsffPU5YGxrlCXYyc HBICJhJnFn9ig7DFJC7cWw9kc3EICRxhlHi5ZxojhLOcUWJr43xGkCo2AS2Jx1//MoEkRAQa GSU+nJvBCpIQFgiWWHzuJdgoEYEQie4Nm6FsJ4nXd6cygdgsAqoSP36uB4vzCnhLNHbtZIXY cJxR4sLRP2AJTgFfiZePvoENZQS66fupNWDNzALiEreezGeCuFVAYsme88wQtqjEy8f/WCFs JYk5r68xQ9TrSCzYDfEbs4C2xLKFr5khFgtKnJz5hGUCo+gsJGNnIWmZhaRlFpKWBYwsqxg5 SotTy3LTjQw3MQJj45gEm+MOxgWfLA8xCnAwKvHwbtgZHyLEmlhWXJl7iFGag0VJnFezel6w kEB6YklqdmpqQWpRfFFpTmrxIUYmDk6pBsa+a14x1/zvhm3/9CnsnRb7z2VrdhYumzBbYVr4 BtHLhS/2TpHw3yyi1fP0c+fvLOeie6035ySa2xTzve34fWP5j0XFORPmz10cm22keIov/eEh 3afn9ayaPp6WDde5sN9p1WHZQiHhJb9Wp1zizmUX3+ba4qDqlsd58LGwx2PNs7rSJg4211cq sRRnJBpqMRcVJwIAoKW2XG4CAAA= Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/SYrO4q64CIrdG2ibO3G5V8HsqAg Subject: Re: [CDNi] New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.txt X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:26:18 -0000 could do it with different mobile/non-mobile URIs? with the pacing metadata only on the mobile URIs? > -----Original Message----- > From: CDNi [mailto:cdni-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kent Leung (kleung= ) > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:24 PM > To: Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie); cdni@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CDNi] New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rat= e- > pacing-02.txt >=20 > Hi Matt. Just wondering if this supports the case when uCDN wants the dCD= N > to perform rate pacing only when delivering over a mobile network but use > "normal" delivery over other access networks? >=20 > Kent >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: CDNi [mailto:cdni-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Matt Caulfield > (mcaulfie) > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 2:03 PM > To: cdni@ietf.org > Subject: [CDNi] FW: New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rat= e- > pacing-02.txt >=20 > This new version of the rate pacing draft incorporates comments from > Francois sent prior to the London meeting (March 2014). >=20 > Cheers, > Matt >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:58 PM > To: Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie); Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie) > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing- > 02.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.txt > has been successfully submitted by Matt Caulfield and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing > Revision: 02 > Title: CDNI Rate Pacing > Document date: 2014-10-27 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 8 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caulfield-cdni- > rate-pacing-02.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-caulfield-cdni-rat= e- > pacing/ > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-paci= ng- > 02 > Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-caulfield-cdni-r= ate- > pacing-02 >=20 > Abstract: > Rate pacing is a class of network traffic shaping which limits the > transmission rate of data over a network. This document defines CDNI > extensions for downstream CDNs to support rate pacing on behalf of > upstream CDNs. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From nobody Mon Nov 10 16:31:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF891AD28D for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:31:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VR-1qd5lw1-i for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDB551ACE98 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:31:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3219; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1415665914; x=1416875514; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=pzyWgTgUF9GK1/lWrYCLANgGAYPru+XHU38/y/7lmL8=; b=KPNxOUssyFzWZvdCvF14SIqs8JQ1JDTeyQI2kmqyjmIleisrd4lsLzCU 4r8sdOcbHztEQJ8qA5xNr0uV5WEzR6F0pOGbPuCGyUj+axRagY0l6SfWt gW17CdIRwzcRz72I8S3Solz7ix29phsJ5unfEb8GO0sbHALqfeklN6wEF g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhgFACNYYVStJA2L/2dsb2JhbABcgw5UVAUEy3YKh08CgSEWAQEBAQF9hAIBAQEEAQEBNzQJDgQCAQgRBAEBCxQJBycLFAkIAgQBEggBiDgIBc0JAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF5BBIzgGgyeBHgWSMYRTiFU9gxKRXYN6bAGBR4EDAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,356,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="367934381" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2014 00:31:53 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x03.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x03.cisco.com [173.37.183.77]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAB0VrXn004489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:31:53 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com ([169.254.6.32]) by xhc-rcd-x03.cisco.com ([173.37.183.77]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:31:52 -0600 From: "Kent Leung (kleung)" To: Kevin Ma J , "Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie)" , "cdni@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHP8iitmqUDlm8Sw0itBE11rCEj3JxEbWMggBY5JoCAAAEEIIAAAaxA Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:31:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20141027205746.27672.89779.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D5EA3F8@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.68.207] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/EXkD6tAn795PqZvoQpCyQi5D_UM Subject: Re: [CDNi] New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.txt X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:31:55 -0000 OK. That's one way to accomplish that. Should that be the only way? Kent -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Ma J [mailto:kevin.j.ma@ericsson.com]=20 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 4:26 PM To: Kent Leung (kleung); Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie); cdni@ietf.org Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-= 02.txt could do it with different mobile/non-mobile URIs? with the pacing metadata only on the mobile URIs? > -----Original Message----- > From: CDNi [mailto:cdni-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kent Leung=20 > (kleung) > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:24 PM > To: Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie); cdni@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CDNi] New Version Notification for=20 > draft-caulfield-cdni-rate- pacing-02.txt >=20 > Hi Matt. Just wondering if this supports the case when uCDN wants the=20 > dCDN to perform rate pacing only when delivering over a mobile network=20 > but use "normal" delivery over other access networks? >=20 > Kent >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: CDNi [mailto:cdni-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Matt Caulfield > (mcaulfie) > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 2:03 PM > To: cdni@ietf.org > Subject: [CDNi] FW: New Version Notification for=20 > draft-caulfield-cdni-rate- pacing-02.txt >=20 > This new version of the rate pacing draft incorporates comments from=20 > Francois sent prior to the London meeting (March 2014). >=20 > Cheers, > Matt >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:58 PM > To: Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie); Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie) > Subject: New Version Notification for=20 > draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing- 02.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing-02.txt > has been successfully submitted by Matt Caulfield and posted to the=20 > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-pacing > Revision: 02 > Title: CDNI Rate Pacing > Document date: 2014-10-27 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 8 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-caulfield-cdni- > rate-pacing-02.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-caulfield-cdni-rat= e- > pacing/ > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-caulfield-cdni-rate-paci= ng- > 02 > Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-caulfield-cdni-r= ate- > pacing-02 >=20 > Abstract: > Rate pacing is a class of network traffic shaping which limits the > transmission rate of data over a network. This document defines CDNI > extensions for downstream CDNs to support rate pacing on behalf of > upstream CDNs. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20 > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.iet= f.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From nobody Mon Nov 10 19:04:16 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246291ACD68 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:04:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.095 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Hello,

Here is the pointer to the liaison statement from MPEG rela= ted to URI signing that was discussed during our meeting Yesterday.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1342/

Cheers

Francois

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smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XokHA-0001ok-0q; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:36:48 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:36:41 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> References: To: Francois Le Faucher X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/rc57TH_KotD7ch5ZnoxpmIvFiR4 Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:36:52 -0000 Francois, Colleagues, On 11 Nov 2014, at 23:17, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) = wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Here is the pointer to the liaison statement from MPEG related to URI = signing that was discussed during our meeting Yesterday. >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1342/ I read the liaison statement from MPEG. If I understand it correctly MPEG have a use case where they want to = present something similar to a CDN authorisation token (the URI = signature in draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing) and have the delivery node = (could be a server or a CDN, etc) take some action based on the presence = and validity of such a token. At that level it seems very similar to a CDN authorisation token and so = it may be that there is significant reuse between = draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing & what MPEG are thinking of. It is difficult to say more, as the actual use case is not clear to me - = e.g. the liaison says "the mechanisms provided by URI signing can also = be applied to allow for other use cases, e.g. to prevent a client from = skipping pre-roll and mid-roll advertisement" I am struggling to understand how MPEG envision that use case being = implemented, as skipping adverts is a client function not a server = function AIUI. It seems to me that we may be able to help MPEG here and we may already = have something of use to them (or most of something that might only = require some small tweaks), but without more details from MPEG of their = use case(s) and how they envision the "call flow" working it is hard to = say more. Maybe the next step should be to respond to MPEG asking for further = details on their use case so we can better assess the re-usability (and = applicability) of draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing for their use case(s). Ben >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Francois >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From nobody Wed Nov 12 18:39:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E4E1A1B25 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:39:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kcY9ZMhi4YQ6 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:39:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FF0D1A1B3E for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:39:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2434; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1415846361; x=1417055961; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=MY6zYNjx27vKIZGN0RgvzClX6H5CpWLtre3jo+XxNIo=; b=iP1mRDWcSLNnL7ML7sdbWUQE5H6NZJ7hv6UvNeB2DBK77Rk1KfSLLOPF SLZG72QyheA9YVQVW9q7P/PonWMV6PwhFH9wib6sTozAW/bFYNUyDun51 kHjAz122wM1+ZggH5OWwYSBaqvaAYG1lMIPBxuyiXL7pXgynZDFj5BfUo 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwFAJUZZFStJV2Y/2dsb2JhbABbgmsjVFkEzFUKh08CgR8WAQEBAQF9hAIBAQEDAQEBATc0CwULAgEIGB4QJwslAgQOBYg4CQEMz2IBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQETBJBhMweDLYEeBZI6hFOHJIE0hwSOL4N8bYFIgQMBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,373,1413244800"; d="scan'208";a="96130420" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2014 02:39:13 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com [173.37.183.88]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sAD2dDSY014858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:39:13 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x01.cisco.com ([fe80::747b:83e1:9755:d453]) by xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([173.37.183.88]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:39:13 -0600 From: "Ali C. Begen (abegen)" To: Ben Niven-Jenkins Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH Thread-Index: AQHP/gWZcjC4WeJbFUStxfdC8RpP1JxePdmAgAAAs4A= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:39:12 +0000 Message-ID: <89408613-21D6-4C10-AF9D-ADAEF73379A8@cisco.com> References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.145.159] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4BDBFB631EF9514C9429290EC0A39BCE@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/K62JwX56Cf2QMwq1dk6OV8a4sTI Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" , "Thomas, E.D.R. \(Emmanuel\)" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:39:40 -0000 Well if you dont mind, I am copying Emmanuel in case he wants to respond. h= e may comment on the mpeg stuff. > On Nov 12, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Ben Niven-Jenkins = wrote: >=20 > Francois, Colleagues, >=20 > On 11 Nov 2014, at 23:17, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch) wrote: >=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> Here is the pointer to the liaison statement from MPEG related to URI si= gning that was discussed during our meeting Yesterday. >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1342/ >=20 > I read the liaison statement from MPEG. >=20 > If I understand it correctly MPEG have a use case where they want to pres= ent something similar to a CDN authorisation token (the URI signature in dr= aft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing) and have the delivery node (could be a server or= a CDN, etc) take some action based on the presence and validity of such a = token. >=20 > At that level it seems very similar to a CDN authorisation token and so i= t may be that there is significant reuse between draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signin= g & what MPEG are thinking of. >=20 > It is difficult to say more, as the actual use case is not clear to me - = e.g. the liaison says "the mechanisms provided by URI signing can also be a= pplied to allow for other use cases, e.g. to prevent a client from skipping= pre-roll and mid-roll advertisement" >=20 > I am struggling to understand how MPEG envision that use case being imple= mented, as skipping adverts is a client function not a server function AIUI= . >=20 > It seems to me that we may be able to help MPEG here and we may already h= ave something of use to them (or most of something that might only require = some small tweaks), but without more details from MPEG of their use case(s)= and how they envision the "call flow" working it is hard to say more. >=20 > Maybe the next step should be to respond to MPEG asking for further detai= ls on their use case so we can better assess the re-usability (and applicab= ility) of draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing for their use case(s). >=20 > Ben >=20 >>=20 >> Cheers >>=20 >> Francois >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> CDNi mailing list >> CDNi@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From nobody Wed Nov 12 23:08:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB951A1BDB for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:08:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bRRQpHYdUADt for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from fromintouta.tno.nl (fromintouta.tno.nl [134.221.1.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1311A1BD4 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:08:06 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,375,1413237600"; d="scan'208";a="33785306" Received: from exc-cashub02.tsn.tno.nl (HELO mail.tno.nl) ([134.221.225.221]) by mailhost1a.tno.nl with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2014 08:08:05 +0100 Received: from EXC-MBX03.tsn.tno.nl ([fe80::e969:1300:fb9f:7e12]) by EXC-CASHUB02.tsn.tno.nl ([fe80::8c02:de2a:3094:171%14]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:08:04 +0100 From: "Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van" To: Ben Niven-Jenkins , Francois Le Faucher Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH Thread-Index: AQHP/gWZcjC4WeJbFUStxfdC8RpP1JxdyIGAgABcl4A= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 07:08:04 +0000 Message-ID: <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/15.3.0.141024 x-originating-ip: [134.221.225.153] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <8A5507AE99DA204DA81F7612C1020DF8@tno.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/luQOkiXEzr6ZiwOQ7Qu5KRV7qRE Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This 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(Ray) van" , Ben Niven-Jenkins , Francois Le Faucher Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH Thread-Index: AQHP/gWZcjC4WeJbFUStxfdC8RpP1JxeLRaAgABL0wCAAE0m8A== Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:57:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> In-Reply-To: <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPiK5/V0qIwfUJ0hYLzk1gs3g6+w+r xb8Fp5ksvm2+zujA4jHl90ZWjyVLfjJ5/Lw+idHj4LoLzAEsUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZd17e ZSu4Zlnx9XQ/SwPjDIsuRk4OCQETiXX/HzND2GISF+6tZ+ti5OIQEjjCKPHy4HJGCGc5o8T+ TU3sIFVsAloSj7/+ZQJJiAhMYZTYsvEwI0iCWUBZYkvzXjBbWMBJ4t3+bWANIgLOEhcW/GGF 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(Ray) van" , Ben Niven-Jenkins , Francois Le Faucher Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH Thread-Index: AQHP/gWZcjC4WeJbFUStxfdC8RpP1JxeLRaAgABL0wCAAJmzgP//t2bA Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:08:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPiO7GnpQQg4vrtSwWnJvAZvF09h9W i38LTjNZfNt8ndGBxWPK742sHkuW/GTy+Hl9EqPHwXUXmANYorhsUlJzMstSi/TtErgy/q3v ZC7Yk1zx6Np5tgbGLwldjJwcEgImEnNezGSEsMUkLtxbz9bFyMUhJHCEUaLtXiczhLOcUeLg vyvMIFVsAloSj7/+ZQJJiAhMYZTYsvEwWDuzgLLElua9YLawgJPEu/3b2EFsEQFniQsL/rBC 2G4SrbOOgNWwCKhK3J84GSjOwcEr4C3x7kQxxLKbjBJ3Dv4Gq+EUsJKY/WcmG4jNCHTe91Nr 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--047d7bae47a259f7890507c6178d-- From nobody Thu Nov 13 19:14:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FB41A1BEC for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:14:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rfv9KiRPLaDI for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5061A1BA3 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-a058.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.160.88]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xp7Kz-0004jl-Ss; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:14:18 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:14:13 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0BC660AA-F671-45A6-8492-41D28CDA0150@niven-jenkins.co.uk> References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> To: "Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/4_YxajlCPYIALSi_uKjXyyhpf4s Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: [CDNi] (Not) Skipping adverts X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:14:28 -0000 Ray, Colleagues, I think it's worth separating out the two use cases you outline below, = hence changing the subject line. See inline... On 13 Nov 2014, at 07:08, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van = wrote: > Hi Ben, >=20 > I=92ve been part of some of the discussion in MPEG, and I understand = the=20 > MPEG use cases to be the following: >=20 > The primary use case is to apply access control, as covered by the = current=20 > URI signing draft, to segmented content. Due to the manifest/MPD, = regular=20 > URI signing as specified in our draft does not work, since there is no=20= > redirect involved. However, by adding some features to the current = draft=20 > (e.g signed cookies or chained requests), we might be able to have the=20= > same mechanism work for HTTP adaptive streaming content as well.=20 I'll respond to this point by replying to your other e-mail. =20 > Regarding preventing the client from skipping pre-roll ads, I think = what=20 > is meant there is that if you have a mechanism that allows the = server/CDN=20 > to reject certain requests based on a set of (signed) parameters in = the=20 > HTTP request, one could use these same mechanisms for other purposes = as=20 > well. For example, by adding valid-from and segment-pattern = enforcement=20 > attributes, one could make the CDN reject any request for specific=20 > segments until a give (relative) point in time, thereby preventing the=20= > client from obtaining any contents segments until the pre-roll = segments=20 > have been downloaded/watched.=20 I don't completely understand how that is envisioned to work, but I = don't think it will actually achieve what people might think it will and = it potentially places additional complexity on the delivery server = (origin, surrogate, CDN, etc) for no reason. Unless I've misunderstood (which I may well have), I think preventing = skipping of adverts is a policy level choice that exists at a layer = above the delivery of the content itself. E.g. just because something is delivered (i.e. the server sends the = bytes), doesn't enforce that those bytes were rendered on the screen. It would seem to me that the only way to enforce play out is to have a = player that understands (somehow) the content provider's policy with = respect to adverts and enforces that policy locally. Any other solution = is unlikely to be able to enforce that policy in all cases (at least for = HTTP adaptive streaming as currently defined). Ben =20 >=20 > I have had some off-list discussion with Kent on the merits of various=20= > solution directions during the past few months. I will share those in = a=20 > mail to the list later today. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Ray=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 13/11/14 02:36, "Ben Niven-Jenkins" = wrote: >=20 >> Francois, Colleagues, >>=20 >> On 11 Nov 2014, at 23:17, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)=20 >> wrote: >>=20 >>> Hello, >>>=20 >>> Here is the pointer to the liaison statement from MPEG related to = URI=20 >>> signing that was discussed during our meeting Yesterday. >>>=20 >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1342/ >>=20 >> I read the liaison statement from MPEG. >>=20 >> If I understand it correctly MPEG have a use case where they want to=20= >> present something similar to a CDN authorisation token (the URI = signature=20 >> in draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing) and have the delivery node (could be = a=20 >> server or a CDN, etc) take some action based on the presence and = validity=20 >> of such a token. >>=20 >> At that level it seems very similar to a CDN authorisation token and = so=20 >> it may be that there is significant reuse between=20 >> draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing & what MPEG are thinking of. >>=20 >> It is difficult to say more, as the actual use case is not clear to = me -=20 >> e.g. the liaison says "the mechanisms provided by URI signing can = also be=20 >> applied to allow for other use cases, e.g. to prevent a client from=20= >> skipping pre-roll and mid-roll advertisement" >>=20 >> I am struggling to understand how MPEG envision that use case being=20= >> implemented, as skipping adverts is a client function not a server=20 >> function AIUI. >>=20 >> It seems to me that we may be able to help MPEG here and we may = already=20 >> have something of use to them (or most of something that might only=20= >> require some small tweaks), but without more details from MPEG of = their=20 >> use case(s) and how they envision the "call flow" working it is hard = to=20 >> say more. >>=20 >> Maybe the next step should be to respond to MPEG asking for further=20= >> details on their use case so we can better assess the re-usability = (and=20 >> applicability) of draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing for their use case(s). >>=20 >> Ben >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Cheers >>>=20 >>> Francois >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CDNi mailing list >>> CDNi@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> CDNi mailing list >> CDNi@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni > This message may contain information that is not intended for you. 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From nobody Thu Nov 13 19:42:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E021A1BE9 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:42:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tjN25MJs3zVe for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA821A0154 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-889e.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.136.158]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xp7mY-000219-VY; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:42:47 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:42:36 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <23B35B9C-2060-4FD6-9B2C-7D1E615CCCAD@niven-jenkins.co.uk> References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> To: "Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/LZ97d-BNwbiVVmNH2yeCltSoH2Q Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: [CDNi] Authorisation tokens (was Re: Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH) X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:42:52 -0000 Ray, Colleagues, I think what you're suggesting here is changing the scope of the = document from how to sign a particular URL to describing how to mint (& = possibly present) an "authorisation token" that authorises the client = the be able to retrieve the content from 1 or more URLs. I have no objection to that, but just want to make sure we're all on the = same page. More inline... On 13 Nov 2014, at 16:18, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van = wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > As I mentioned in my previous mail, as authors of the URI signing = draft,=20 > Kent, Francois and I have been discussing how to deal with the request=20= > from MPEG. Now that we=92ve somewhat converged on a possible solution=20= > direction, we would like to ask the WG for an opinion.=20 >=20 > The main problem at hand is the fact that in both DASH as well as = other=20 > HTTP adaptive streaming content (e.g. HLS or Smooth Streaming), a=20 > manifest/MPD is used. Due to this manifest, content requests do not go=20= > through a redirect from content provider to CDN and can therefore not = be=20 > signed/validated.=20 Can you expand a bit more on this. i.e. I am not seeing the relevance of = the manifest and how it prevents "signing/validation"? Are you saying content providers do not want to create per-user = manifests or something else? > The general solution direction we=92ve been discussing is setting up a = sort=20 > of authorization chain, from the initial request for the manifest/MPD = to=20 > every individual segment request. The idea is that when the UA is=20 > initially redirected to the CDN, e.g. for the initial manifest = request, it=20 > receives some kind of token. It can then use this token for the first=20= > segment request, after which it receives a second token for the second=20= > segment, and so on. By limiting the validity time of each token using = a=20 > method similar to that of the Expiry Time Enforcement Attribute in the=20= > current URI signing draft, one can limit the vulnerability of the UA=20= > handing out the token to other malicious UAs. Why have the complexity of an authorisation chain? If you had an = authorisation token that authorised access to multiple URLs with a = single expiry time, would that be sufficient? > One of the things we=92ve been debating is what is the best way to = implement=20 > this token. Basically, we=92ve explored two solutions for this:=20 >=20 > 1. Cookie-based. In this case the token is implemented as a cookie. = The=20 > advantage of this solution is that the client doesn=92t have to be = adapted=20 > and it is therefore not limited to DASH but also works for e.g. HLS. = The=20 > downside of this solution is that it doesn=92t work if the manifest is=20= > delivered out-of-band, e.g via the Content Provider.=20 When you say out of band, do you really mean that the manifest is served = from a different domain to the video chunks? > 2. Header-query-string based. In this case, instead of sending the = token=20 > as a Set-Cookie header, it is returned to the UA as a another custom = HTTP=20 > header. The client then extracts the value of the HTTP header and = places=20 > it into the URL query string of the next segment request (as indicated = by=20 > the MPD). MPEG DASH already provides the necessary mechanisms for=20 > signalling this. The advantage of this mechanism is that it is = potentially=20 > more flexible. The downside is that it requires changes to the client = and=20 > will therefore only work for DASH clients. I think there may be other solutions that provide the flexibility you = desire, without requiring custom client logic as required by having a = special HTTP header. Once I have a better idea of the scenario you are envisaging, i.e. = answers to my questions above, I may be able to suggest a 3rd way. > Another topic we=92ve been discussing is how to signal the set of = segments=20 > for which a particular token is valid. Here we=92ve discussed the=20 > possibility of adding a segment-pattern enforcement attribute. This = way it=20 > would be possible to for example signal that a specific token is only=20= > valid for segments belonging to the same content item, or even of a=20 > specific quality. The main question here is how to best signal such a=20= > segment pattern. One possibility here is to use URI templates.=20 URI templates are one way, something like the PatternMatch in the = metadata document is another (simpler but less expressive) way. Ben >=20 > Since this has turned into quite a lengthy mail, I think I=92ll leave = some=20 > of the other questions for later.=20 >=20 > What do you guys think? Is this a topic that we should be tackling at = all?=20 > And if so, what do you think of the proposed solution directions? >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Ray >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 13/11/14 07:08, "Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van" = =20 > wrote: >=20 >> Hi Ben, >>=20 >> I=92ve been part of some of the discussion in MPEG, and I understand = the=20 >> MPEG use cases to be the following: >>=20 >> The primary use case is to apply access control, as covered by the=20 >> current=20 >> URI signing draft, to segmented content. Due to the manifest/MPD, = regular=20 >> URI signing as specified in our draft does not work, since there is = no=20 >> redirect involved. However, by adding some features to the current = draft=20 >> (e.g signed cookies or chained requests), we might be able to have = the=20 >> same mechanism work for HTTP adaptive streaming content as well.=20 >>=20 >> Regarding preventing the client from skipping pre-roll ads, I think = what=20 >> is meant there is that if you have a mechanism that allows the = server/CDN=20 >> to reject certain requests based on a set of (signed) parameters in = the=20 >> HTTP request, one could use these same mechanisms for other purposes = as=20 >> well. For example, by adding valid-from and segment-pattern = enforcement=20 >> attributes, one could make the CDN reject any request for specific=20 >> segments until a give (relative) point in time, thereby preventing = the=20 >> client from obtaining any contents segments until the pre-roll = segments=20 >> have been downloaded/watched.=20 >>=20 >> I have had some off-list discussion with Kent on the merits of = various=20 >> solution directions during the past few months. I will share those in = a=20 >> mail to the list later today. >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> Ray=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 13/11/14 02:36, "Ben Niven-Jenkins" = wrote: >>=20 >>> Francois, Colleagues, >>>=20 >>> On 11 Nov 2014, at 23:17, Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)=20 >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hello, >>>>=20 >>>> Here is the pointer to the liaison statement from MPEG related to = URI=20 >>>> signing that was discussed during our meeting Yesterday. >>>>=20 >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1342/ >>>=20 >>> I read the liaison statement from MPEG. >>>=20 >>> If I understand it correctly MPEG have a use case where they want to=20= >>> present something similar to a CDN authorisation token (the URI=20 >>> signature=20 >>> in draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing) and have the delivery node (could be = a=20 >>> server or a CDN, etc) take some action based on the presence and=20 >>> validity=20 >>> of such a token. >>>=20 >>> At that level it seems very similar to a CDN authorisation token and = so=20 >>> it may be that there is significant reuse between=20 >>> draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing & what MPEG are thinking of. >>>=20 >>> It is difficult to say more, as the actual use case is not clear to = me -=20 >>> e.g. the liaison says "the mechanisms provided by URI signing can = also=20 >>> be=20 >>> applied to allow for other use cases, e.g. to prevent a client from=20= >>> skipping pre-roll and mid-roll advertisement" >>>=20 >>> I am struggling to understand how MPEG envision that use case being=20= >>> implemented, as skipping adverts is a client function not a server=20= >>> function AIUI. >>>=20 >>> It seems to me that we may be able to help MPEG here and we may = already=20 >>> have something of use to them (or most of something that might only=20= >>> require some small tweaks), but without more details from MPEG of = their=20 >>> use case(s) and how they envision the "call flow" working it is hard = to=20 >>> say more. >>>=20 >>> Maybe the next step should be to respond to MPEG asking for further=20= >>> details on their use case so we can better assess the re-usability = (and=20 >>> applicability) of draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing for their use case(s). >>>=20 >>> Ben >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers >>>>=20 >>>> Francois >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CDNi mailing list >>>> CDNi@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CDNi mailing list >>> CDNi@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni >> This message may contain information that is not intended for you. 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(Ray) van" To: Kevin Ma J , Ben Niven-Jenkins , Francois Le Faucher Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH Thread-Index: AQHP/gWZcjC4WeJbFUStxfdC8RpP1JxdyIGAgABcl4CAAJm2AP///SyAgAEAMYA= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:25:03 +0000 Message-ID: <84915754-06B7-4AFD-8E5B-E0518B86F7E4@tno.nl> References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/15.3.0.141024 x-originating-ip: [134.221.225.153] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/MMfhXuuWdGx9AZukv7121VYt4ns Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss 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(Ray) van" To: Ben Niven-Jenkins Thread-Topic: Authorisation tokens (was Re: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH) Thread-Index: AQHP/70Pe5sHl1qRYEOaIT+vE39n7JxfuwuA Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:33:19 +0000 Message-ID: <6E6846B6-2902-4C31-8119-5AF5E5FA9F24@tno.nl> References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> <23B35B9C-2060-4FD6-9B2C-7D1E615CCCAD@niven-jenkins.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <23B35B9C-2060-4FD6-9B2C-7D1E615CCCAD@niven-jenkins.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/15.3.0.141024 x-originating-ip: [134.221.225.191] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/soOU6aerDi-Z075xqYNYBaTgJtQ Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Authorisation tokens (was Re: Liaison Statement on URI Signing for 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(Ray) van" , Ben Niven-Jenkins , Francois Le Faucher Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH Thread-Index: AQHP/gWZcjC4WeJbFUStxfdC8RpP1JxeLRaAgABL0wCAAJmzgP//t2bAgAFF+oCAAjQCEA== Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:30:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> <84915754-06B7-4AFD-8E5B-E0518B86F7E4@tno.nl> In-Reply-To: <84915754-06B7-4AFD-8E5B-E0518B86F7E4@tno.nl> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPoK5AdXqIwa7FWhYLzk1gs3g6+w+r xb8Fp5ksvm2+zujA4jHl90ZWjyVLfjJ5/Lw+idHj4LoLzAEsUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZq9b1 sBXsaWaseH4yrYGxp4Gxi5GTQ0LARGLnnU8sELaYxIV769m6GLk4hASOMErM/bCYHcJZzijx 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(ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638B11A1A75 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 03:21:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mEZT083l3oyu for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 03:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D744E1A19E5 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 03:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpc4-cmbg17-2-0-cust814.5-4.cable.virginm.net ([86.14.227.47] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XqKNS-00077T-2W; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:21:50 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2858E@dfweml701-chm> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:17:47 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E252B6@dfweml701-chm> <992C4FEF-BBAD-4C7C-A3DD-BF77530E7E5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F645E2858E@dfweml701-chm> To: Linda Dunbar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/RabnORUlFRvNuteafM0R5W59P1M Cc: "draft-ietf-cdni-metadata@tools.ietf.org" , "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] review comments to draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-08 X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:21:55 -0000 Linda, My responses are inline below... On 30 Oct 2014, at 21:05, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Ben, > =20 > Thanks for the reply. > =20 > More suggestions inserted below: > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Niven-Jenkins [mailto:ben@niven-jenkins.co.uk]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 6:29 PM > To: Linda Dunbar > Cc: cdni@ietf.org; draft-ietf-cdni-metadata@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CDNi] review comments to draft-ietf-cdni-metadata-08 > =20 > Linda, > =20 > On 28 Oct 2014, at 20:46, Linda Dunbar = wrote: > =20 > > Ben, Rob, Matt, and Kevin, > >=20 > > This draft is long and defined a lot of terms: Host Index, Host = Match, host-meta-data, Path Match, path-meta-data, = generic-metadata-objects, etc. > > Is the intent of the draft to define the proper data structure for = dCDN to request content from upstream CDN? > =20 > No. The intent is to define data structures for describing how to = deliver content, as well as policies for where is allowed to receive it, = etc. > =20 > [Linda] It would make the document easier to read if you add this = statement to the Introduction Section. The introduction already says: The CDNI metadata associated with a piece of content (or with a set of content) provides a downstream CDN with sufficient information for servicing content requests on behalf of an upstream CDN in accordance with the policies defined by the upstream CDN. and then says later on: Specifically, this document specifies: o A data structure for mapping content requests and redirection requests to CDNI Metadata objects (Section 3 and Section 4.1). o An initial set of CDNI Generic Metadata objects (Section 4.2). o A RESTful web service for the transfer of CDNI Metadata (Section 6). which I think covers what I say above. Can you suggest specific text = changes you think would address your concern? =20 > The current Abstract section says that the draft also describes the = =93Protocol for exchange Metadata=94. I would suggest Section 5 = (Leverage existing protocol) to simply =93Protocols for exchanging = Metadata=94. In the content, you can say why you need to leverage the = existing protocols. Section 5 doesn't talk about leveraging existing protocols. Section 2 = mentions it as part of giving the high level design principles the = authors tried to follow. Section 2 already says Leveraging existing protocols avoids reinventing common mechanisms such as data structure encoding (e.g., JSON) and data transport (e.g., HTTP). but that is really just background information. Section 6 specifies the = metadata exchange protocol (the metadata interface itself) in detail. > The details of how to obtain the content is only one part of = describing how to deliver the content. > =20 > > Is the following correct? > >=20 > > host-meta-data =3D=3D =93IP addresses=94? > =20 > host-meta-data isn't used in the document. I'm assuming you are asking = what the value of the host-metadata property is? > =20 > It is a link to a URI that returns a HostMetadata object which is a = JSON object describing the default CDNI Metadata objects for content = served from that host. > =20 > [Linda] Is there any significance to emphasize on the =93Link to a = URI=94 instead simple the =93URI=94? > Do you mean the value of =93HostMetadata=94 is a link to a URI? The value of the host-metadata property is a HostMetadata object or a = Link object pointing to a HostMetadata object. The Link object contains = the URI and the media type of the HostMetadata object. The Link object = (what I refer to as "a link" in my previous e-mail) is described in = Section 4.3.1. Regards Ben > =20 > =20 > Thanks, Linda > =20 > =20 From nobody Mon Nov 17 04:51:42 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D48C1A00B8 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 04:51:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eYTBe6_mzqg1 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 04:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7F51A002B for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 04:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpc4-cmbg17-2-0-cust814.5-4.cable.virginm.net ([86.14.227.47] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XqLmK-0007X0-Hk; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:51:36 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: <2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE91DFB769@PALLENE.office.hd> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:51:35 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <72CB4992-AFA6-438C-95C3-6408691B1265@niven-jenkins.co.uk> References: <2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE91DFB769@PALLENE.office.hd> To: Jan Seedorf X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/r8bisYCPO_L2r1GoxBhKghnVNx0 Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Review of the CDNI metadata draft X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:51:41 -0000 Hi Jan, Thank you for your review, see inline for my responses to your = individual points. On 8 Nov 2014, at 19:12, Jan Seedorf wrote: > As promised, I reviewed the -08 version of the metadata draft. Here = are my comments: > =20 > n In general, the draft reads well and the concepts are = well-described and clearly understandable (I briefly checked all the = detailed object specifications and found no errors); the draft is in a = very mature state and indeed seems ready for publication soon; also, the = example in section 6 is very clear; I just have a couple of detailed = comments below > n Section 1.2: it talks about capabilities (which are later on = explained in section 5) but there is no reference to the FCI documents; = I think you should add some text and refs on how the metadata = capabilities relate to the CDNI FCI The intent of Section 1.2 is to outline what is possible with the = metadata described in the document. If you could propose specific text you would like to see that would be = helpful, as I'm not exactly sure what extra to write given my = understanding of the recent agreement in the WG to not talk about FCI = specifically but to leave that to separate document(s)? > n Section 5: this text needs to be revised according to the latest = decision we have made regarding the definition of MI FCI objects being = outside of the metadata draft; but this decision has been announced on = the mailing list after the -08 version was published, so obviously it = could not have been addressed Currently Section 5 mentions that a uCDN having knowledge of what = optional a dCDN supports might be useful and a vague reference that the = FCI may be used to advertise such knowledge. Section 5, as written, doesn't seem to be in conflict with the recent = agreement in the WG regarding FCI from what I can see, unless you are = suggesting we reference a different document to the generic CDNI = Framework document?=20 Are there specific text changes you could propose that would address = what you think is missing or needs re-writing? =20 > n Section 8 =96 Security Considerations: this section needs to be = improved in my view; it is not very clear about the difference between = integrity and confidentiality (e.g. talks about using encryption to = provide integrity, but usually digital signatures or HMACs are used for = that); also the term =93private=94 is used referring to dCDNs = information (and not to end users), this needs to be clarified better; = finally, among all the threats mentioned, several key ones are missing, = such as an attacker modifying unprotected CDNI metadata in order to = change restrictions etc. such that unauthorized end users may access = content they are not supposed to (from the content provider perspective = this seems to be an important threat regarding CDNI) I'll respond to your comments above in a separate e-mail once I've had a = chance to re-look at that section. > n TLS usage: from the attacker model described in section 8, it seems = clear that TLS is strongly advised and would fulfill the security = requirements; yet, in section 1.2 it reads like supported CDNI MI over = TLS needs further specifications, is this true? We discussed this at the microphone in Hawaii. The text in Section 1.2 = is trying to outline what protocols can be supported for delivery and = acquisition by a dCDN using the CDNI Metadata objects specified in the = document. It is not meant to be interpreted as a statement for whether or not to = use TLS for securing the exchange of metadata objects across the CDNI = Metadata interface itself. I've tried to re-word the second half of Section 1.2 to make it clearer = that it is talking about delivery & acquisition of content by the dCDN, = what I have come up with is the following: The set of metadata specified in this document, covering the initial capabilities above, is only able to support CDN interconnection for the delivery of content by a dCDN using HTTPv1.1 and for a dCDN to be able to acquire content from a uCDN using either HTTPv1.1 or HTTPv1.1 over TLS. Supporting CDN interconnection for the delivery of content using unencrypted HTTPv2.0 (as well as for a dCDN to acquire content using unencrypted HTTPv2.0 or HTTPv2.0 over TLS) requires the registration of these protocol names in the CDNI Metadata Protocol Sub-Registry. Supporting CDN interconnection for the delivery of content using HTTPv1.1 over TLS or HTTPv2.0 over TLS requires specifying additional metadata objects to carry the properties required to establish a TLS session, for example metadata to describe the certificate to use as part of the TLS handshake. Does the new wording above address your comment? Regards Ben > n I found several typos, but instead of listing them here I will pass = on my printout with the marks to the authors on-site at IETF-91 > =20 > - Jan > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Dr. Jan Seedorf > Senior Researcher > NEC Europe Ltd., NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Division = Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-221 > Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 > e-mail: jan.seedorf@neclab.eu > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > NEC Europe Ltd, Registered Office: Athene, Odyssey Business Park, West = End Road, London, HA4 6QE, GB, Registered in England 2832014 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni From nobody Mon Nov 17 09:58:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A70E1A8706 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:58:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hNenAG6VKz-Q for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F751A0404 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:58:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpc4-cmbg17-2-0-cust814.5-4.cable.virginm.net ([86.14.227.47] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XqQZd-0003Tj-0p; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:58:49 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: <2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE91DFB769@PALLENE.office.hd> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:58:47 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2779C9F0771F974CAD742BAE6D9904FE91DFB769@PALLENE.office.hd> To: Jan Seedorf X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/RYhQGXm_Fazh98AOL77ehD8covE Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: [CDNi] Security Considerations for Metadata spec (Re: Review of the CDNI metadata draft) X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:58:53 -0000 Jan, On 8 Nov 2014, at 19:12, Jan Seedorf wrote: > n Section 8 =96 Security Considerations: this section needs to be = improved in my view; it is not very clear about the difference between = integrity and confidentiality (e.g. talks about using encryption to = provide integrity, but usually digital signatures or HMACs are used for = that); also the term =93private=94 is used referring to dCDNs = information (and not to end users), this needs to be clarified better; = finally, among all the threats mentioned, several key ones are missing, = such as an attacker modifying unprotected CDNI metadata in order to = change restrictions etc. such that unauthorized end users may access = content they are not supposed to (from the content provider perspective = this seems to be an important threat regarding CDNI) Taking a look at Section 8 again and also using the Security = Considerations section of the Logging interface as a guide, I suggest we = re-write Section 8 of the Metadata specification to be much more inline = with section 7 & in particular section 7.1 of the logging interface: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cdni-logging-13#page-46 I think basing off sections 7/7.1 would give us a good general = description and then we can include specific issues that may occur if = for e.g. mutual authentication or message integrity are not used, if you = think that is also required? Similarly fir privacy, some of the general text in Section 7.3 of the = logging draft looks a good base to reuse and then we can talk a little = about the fact that metadata contains content provider policy and other = configuration they may not want exposed. If the outline above sounds like it is on the right path to addressing = your comments, I'll work with my co-authors to produce some proposed = text we can review with you further. 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cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 05:27:57 -0000 --_000_338D2A5749A11545BFB2D09A333491BE1808B4B8SJCEML701CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, This is Xin Wang. I just managed to join this reflector (thanks to Ray Bra= ndenburg's encouragement). I am one of the coordinators of the URI Signing = Core Experiment (CE) at MPEG DASH - the other is Emmanuel Thomas from TNO; = we drafted the liaison statement on URI signing from MPEG DASH to IETF CDNi= . Lately, I have been monitoring this thread in the reflector archive, and se= e a few questions and issues that I may be able to help clarifying. Let me start with the latest one on whether the DASH manifest MPD contains = absolute URLs for segments. In general, MPD supports listing all absolute U= RLs, but also provides more compact forms, URL templates, to allow the DASH= client to construct absolute URLs for requesting segments; namely, a URL t= emplate is a URL containing some specific identifiers that can be substitut= ed by dynamic values assigned to segments to create a list of segment URLs.= For example, the following URL template http://cdn1.example.com/aMovie/video/$Number$.mp4v has an identifier $Number$ that can be substituted by actual segment number= s (by the DASH client), to create a list (or range) of segment URLs, like http://cdn1.example.com/aMovie/video/1.mp4v http://cdn1.example.com/aMovie/video/2.mp4v ... Clearly, this kind of URL templates have their advantages over listing abso= lute URLs, especially when dealing with long or live content (where listing= all absolute URLs in advance is either inefficient or not feasible). So, when coming to URI signing, we also need to consider how to deal with t= he URL template case. This is long enough for my first post to this reflector, so I stop here tod= ay. I look forward to working with you all on this URI signing task. Best, -- Xin --_000_338D2A5749A11545BFB2D09A333491BE1808B4B8SJCEML701CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everyone,

 

This is  Xin Wang. I just managed to join this = reflector (thanks to Ray Brandenburg’s encouragement). I am one of th= e coordinators of the URI Signing Core Experiment (CE) at MPEG DASH –= the other is Emmanuel Thomas from TNO; we drafted the liaison statement on URI signing from MPEG DASH to IETF CDNi.

 

Lately, I have been monitoring this thread in the re= flector archive, and see a few questions and issues that I may be able to h= elp clarifying.

 

Let me start with the latest one on whether the DASH= manifest MPD contains absolute URLs for segments. In general, MPD supports= listing all absolute URLs, but also provides more compact forms, URL templ= ates, to allow the DASH client to construct absolute URLs for requesting segments; namely, a URL template is= a URL containing some specific identifiers that can be substituted by dynamic values assigned to segments to = create a list of segment URLs. For example, the following URL template=

 

http://cdn1.example.com/aMovie/video/$Number= $.mp4v

 

has an identifier $Number$ that can be substituted b= y actual segment numbers (by the DASH client), to create a list (or range) = of segment URLs, like

 

http://cdn1.example.com/aMovie/video/1.mp4v

http://cdn1.example.com/aMovie/video/2.mp4v

…

 

Clearly, this kind of URL templates have their advan= tages over listing absolute URLs, especially when dealing with long or live= content (where listing all absolute URLs in advance is either inefficient = or not feasible).

 

So, when coming to URI signing, we also need to cons= ider how to deal with the URL template case.

 

This is long enough for my first post to this reflec= tor, so I stop here today. I look forward to working with you all on this U= RI signing task.

 

Best,

 

-- Xin

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(Ray) van" To: "Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie)" , Ben Niven-Jenkins , "Francois Le Faucheur (flefauch)" Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH Thread-Index: AQHP/gWZcjC4WeJbFUStxfdC8RpP1JxdyIGAgABcl4CAAJm2AIABe1QAgAKqFQCAAWKZgIAAXRCQgAI5NACAATL5AIAADeMAgAEy5gA= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:43:30 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D62FDF4@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <3A7EDCDD-7C42-4D82-88DE-E81A0EB65EB5@tno.nl> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D641A55@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D667F8B@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <9EBA8349-EC16-45D2-848D-556C16A9ED50@tno.nl> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D66FCF6@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D66FCF6@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: 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cpc4-cmbg17-2-0-cust814.5-4.cable.virginm.net ([86.14.227.47] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XrbUW-00073Y-3Q; Thu, 20 Nov 2014 23:50:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 23:50:21 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D62FDF4@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <3A7EDCDD-7C42-4D82-88DE-E81A0EB65EB5@tno.nl> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D641A55@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> To: "Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/jCi2IVOKi-prLjG4Ii-AyxC3QzQ Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 23:50:32 -0000 Ray, I haven't caught up with the whole thread yet, but wanted to respond to = a couple things you say below. On 17 Nov 2014, at 10:27, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van = wrote: > From: Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie) [mailto:mcaulfie@cisco.com]=20 >> From: Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van [mailto:ray.vanbrandenburg@tno.nl]I = don=92t necessarily think this method is superior to the Cookie-method. >> Both have their pros and cons. The problem with the Cookie method is=20= >> that it doesn=92t work when the manifest is served by the Content=20 >> Provider (which can be quite a common case). The problem with the=20 >> header-query-string method is that it only works for DASH clients, = and=20 >> not for standard HLS clients. >=20 > In the case where the manifest is served by the Content Provider and = the segments are served by the CDN, wouldn't the MPD need to contain = absolute URLs? Meaning that segment URLs would go through regular = request routing and URI signing? >=20 > [Ray] Yes, it would contain absolute URLs. It would be possible for = the CSP to sign these URLs, however, that would mean signing them with = an expiration time of at least the length of the content item. Isn't that the same for the case where both the manifest & content is = served by the dCDN? The Content Provider only gets one chance to sign a = cookie in that case too? I also don't understand why the Content Provider delivering the manifest = and the dCDN delivering the content results in the Content Provider = having to sign the individual URLs in the manifest. AFAIK (I haven't tested it), the Content Provider can deliver the = manifest from manifest.video.example.com and deliver the content via the = uCDN/dCDN by using URLs pointing to chunks.video.example.com and share = cookies across the domains by setting the token in a cookie with a = Domain attribute of ".video.example.com". Alternatively the Content Provider could use CORS to enable cookie = sharing across domains. > For an MPD of a 90min movie, that would mean expiration times of at = least 90mins, which would reduce, if not negate altogether, the = effectiveness of signing the URLs in the first place. There are other approaches to avoid long expiration times, e.g defining = the semantics of the token so that it expiration applies to TCP = connection setup and so multiple requests are allowed on a persistent = connection past the expiration time of the token.=20 Ben= From nobody Sat Nov 22 10:35:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E028F1ACDFB for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 10:35:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e2suYwmz9q9F for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 10:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailex.mailcore.me (mailex.mailcore.me [94.136.40.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E151ACDF9 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 10:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from aputeaux-554-1-43-204.w90-35.abo.wanadoo.fr ([90.35.122.204] helo=[192.168.1.130]) by smtp04.mailcore.me with esmtpa (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XsFX4-0001Rv-9U; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:35:42 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Ben Niven-Jenkins In-Reply-To: <6E6846B6-2902-4C31-8119-5AF5E5FA9F24@tno.nl> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:35:40 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> <23B35B9C-2060-4FD6-9B2C-7D1E615CCCAD@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <6E6846B6-2902-4C31-8119-5AF5E5FA9F24@tno.nl> To: "Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/HDcdQv7Z3gu7VqjijFI7s12jFSE Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Authorisation tokens (was Re: Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH) X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:35:47 -0000 Ray, On 14 Nov 2014, at 07:33, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van = wrote: > Hi Ben, >=20 > On 14/11/14 03:42, "Ben Niven-Jenkins" = wrote: >=20 >> Ray, Colleagues, >>=20 >> I think what you're suggesting here is changing the scope of the = document=20 >> from how to sign a particular URL to describing how to mint (& = possibly=20 >> present) an "authorisation token" that authorises the client the be = able=20 >> to retrieve the content from 1 or more URLs. >=20 > I think it depends on your definition. Effectively, the method of = signing=20 > a particular URL and =91minting=92 a token are quite similar. The only=20= > difference is that one is placed in the query string of the = redirection=20 > URL, and the other is placed in the Set-Cookie field of a returned 200 = OK.=20 Agreed. In my mind both are authorisation tokens, the method they are = presented differs (query string vs cookie) and the scope differs (single = URL vs >1 URL). Ben From nobody Mon Nov 24 00:29:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8881A1BFB for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 00:29:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.584 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.584 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fJ3HU2yWlh6a for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 00:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from fromintouta.tno.nl (fromintouta.tno.nl [134.221.1.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476FA1A1BF1 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 00:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,447,1413237600"; d="scan'208";a="34294914" Received: from exc-cashub01.tsn.tno.nl (HELO mail.tno.nl) ([134.221.225.220]) by mailhost1a.tno.nl with ESMTP; 24 Nov 2014 09:29:18 +0100 Received: from EXC-MBX03.tsn.tno.nl ([fe80::e969:1300:fb9f:7e12]) by EXC-CASHUB01.tsn.tno.nl ([fe80::b855:be6:1aa8:4d0f%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:29:18 +0100 From: "Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van" To: Ben Niven-Jenkins Thread-Topic: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH Thread-Index: AQHP/gWZcjC4WeJbFUStxfdC8RpP1JxdyIGAgABcl4CAAJm2AIABe1QAgAKqFQCAAWKZgIAAXRCQgAWIzoCABVjCgA== Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:29:18 +0000 Message-ID: <72CA5ACB-4283-41F7-A991-E53ABDE335AD@tno.nl> References: <4C639B2E-E1B8-4B42-8F76-D98697E7CE5D@niven-jenkins.co.uk> <60396378-BBFF-4926-8141-990141163B1E@tno.nl> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D62FDF4@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> <3A7EDCDD-7C42-4D82-88DE-E81A0EB65EB5@tno.nl> <166EBB70C264A9479E459B01B1BA6C926D641A55@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/15.3.0.141024 x-originating-ip: [134.221.225.153] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/9WFSwug1puLpi3_Pw4lBdOH5WjM Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" 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Hello,

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Happy Thanksgiving for those living in North America.

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http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/aBHY3B9icoQMl7mv8PCLJTQKlI8 Subject: Re: [CDNi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05.txt X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 22:33:34 -0000 Hi Ben/Ray, Per the chairs' request, I've reviewed the latest doc; comments/questions= below. thanx. -- Kevin J. Ma General: - There is a lot of mixed use of "Upstream CDN" vs. "uCDN" and "Downstream CDN" vs. "dCDN". To make the document consistent, I would change all instances of the former to the latter. - There is inconsistent use of "a RI" vs. "an RI". The latter seems more natural to me, but it would be good to make it consistent. - There are a number of places where commas might help readability, e.g., "For example " -> "For example, ", "i.e." -> "i.e.,", "e.g." -> "e.= g.," - There are a number of somewhat long sentences that could be broken up or punctuated for readability, e.g.: "For example, a dCDN may know that it will always select the same Surrogates for a given set of User Agent IP addresses and in order to reduce request volume across the RI or to remove the additional latency associated with an RI request, the dCDN may wish to indicate that set of User Agent IP addresses to the uCDN in the initial RI response." to something like: "For example, a dCDN may know that it will always select the same Surrogates for a given set of User Agent IP addresses; in order to reduce request volume across the RI, or to remove the additional latency associated with an RI request, the dCDN may wish to indicate that set of User Agent IP addresses to the uCDN, in the initial RI response." Section 3: - RI is necessary for recursive redirection, but interconnection could still occur with interactive redirection? Might want to rephrase this: "main building blocks required in order to interconnect" - I would split this into a second sentence starting with "Depending"=20 "and depending on the returned Redirection Target" - "in dCDN or another CDN" -> "in the dCDN or another CDN" - I think that this: "that will be using a redirection protocol (DNS or HTTP) which may or may not be the same as the original redirection protocol." is trying to say the following: "that may use a different redirection protocol (DNS or HTTP) than the one specified in the RI request." Is that the only time the RI would ever point to a request router? - this can be simplified: "To enable communication over the Redirection Interface, the two interconnected CDNs need to know the end point (URI) in the other CDN to query. For example, an Upstream CDN needs to know the URI (end point) in a Downstream CDN to send its CDNI request routing queries to." to this: "To enable communication over the Redirection Interface, the uCDN needs to know the URI (end point) in the dCDN to which it may CDNI send request routing queries." - "CDNI control interface" -> "CDNI Control interface" - Is the following statement true? I thought the idea of advertising support for redirection mode was so that a given CDN did not have to support both mechanisms? "CDNI solutions are required to support both of the request routing mechanisms illustrated in section 2.1 of [RFC7336], namely Iterative Request Redirection and Recursive Request Redirection." When using the RI, it doesn't matter if the dCDNs support either; they could support neither. As long as the uCDN supported one, the other, or both, and the dCDNs returned surrogate addresses over the RI, then, it should just work? - I think this can be simplified: "Therefore, the Redirection Interface is only relevant in the case of Recursive Request Redirection and so this document will not discuss Iterative Request Redirection further." to say: "This document will therefore only focus on Recursive Request Redirection= ." - "it is down to the uCDN" -> "it is up to the uCDN" - "or otherwise reject the" -> "or otherwise rejects the" - "However the Redirection Interface" -> "However. the RI" - I think it would be useful to list the actual requirements (i assume this is referring to GEN-11 and RI-5) and possibly have a reference to the requirements RFC7337. "Also, according to the CDNI generic and request routing interface requirements, the CDNI solution shall support mechanisms to prevent and detect RI request loops" =20 e.g.: "CDNI requirements GEN-11 and RI-5 [RFC7337] specify that=20 the CDNI solution shall support mechanisms to prevent and detect RI request loops" Section 4: - "for brevity, only" -> "for brevity; only" - "either DNS request or HTTP request" -> "either DNS or HTTP" "it recognizes" -> "recognizes" "or that CDN B is one" -> "CDN B may be one" - "is well formed, etc." -> "is well formed," Section 4.1: - "ought to" -> "SHOULD" ? - Could add subsections to separate request and response text. - "return additional policy to" -> "return additional policy information to= " "the Upstream CDN to help the Upstream CDN" -> "the uCDN to help it" - This is a little confusing as to whether the indication is in the HTTP header or if the response is in the HTTP header. I assume we mean the former, so perhaps rearranging this: "An indication of the cacheability of the response carried in the HTTP response headers to something like this: "Cacheability indicators signaled via HTTP response headers" Similarly, this: "The scope of the response (if it is cacheable) carried within the body of the HTTP response." could be changes to something like this: "The scope signaled in the HTTP response body." Might want to add a reference to Section 4.8. - Is the scope only signaled when the response cacheable? Is the scope only allowed to be signaled when the response is cacheable? The scope only really makes sense when it's cacheable, but is it an error to send a scope if the response is not cacheable? Section 4.2: - This might be clearer if directed specifically at the table: "The following top level keys are defined along with whether they are applicable to RI requests, RI responses or to both RI requests and responses:" maybe something like: "The following table defines the top level keys, along with whether they are applicable to RI requests, RI responses, or both:" The table itself might be easier to understand, however, if it was split into two separate tables, one for request keys and another for response keys, rather than having to parse the description text. - In the table, cdn-path is listed as "Both", however, the description talks about "this request". Presumably, the list is present in the response, containing the final list of CDN Provider IDs as known to the respondent, associated with the request to which it is responding? Might want to make that more explicit. - "crudely" -> "coarsely" - Though the cdn-path MAY be reflected back, are the transit CDNs allowed to remove themselves (and all further dCDNs) from the chain as they respond, or are they required to maintain the full chain, if they choose to include cdn-path in the response. Similarly, is any CDN in the chain allowed to remove cdn-path from the response, even if further downstream CDNs have included it (i.e., the ultimate CDN decided to reflect)? Section 4.4.1: - What is the use case for the dns-only flag? Is it intended to improve delivery performance? Would it be configured by the content owner to enforce request routing properties? - If dns-only is set to true, and the transit CDN does not support DNS redirection, is it always safe to propagate the request (assuming the hop count and loop detection don't error out)? Presumably there is eventually either a dCDN that supports DNS or an error? It's not clear to me how this flag should be used (see also questions on next section)? If the authoritative CDN is returning the DNS resolution to the UA, but the address provided by the dCDN is a CNAME, does the dCDN have to honor that flag in subsequent DNS queries to the dCDN? Section 4.4.2: - These might be clearer with the surrogate/request router as the object: "o The IP address(es) of (or the CNAME of) the RT (if the dCDN is performing DNS based redirection directly to a surrogate); or o The IP address(es) of (or the CNAME of) a RT which is a Request Router (if the dCDN is performing HTTP based redirection)." maybe something like: "o The IP address(es) of (or the CNAME of) the dCDN surrogate as the RT (if the dCDN is allowing the uCDN to perform DNS redirection);= or o The IP address(es) of (or the CNAME of) the dCDN request router as the RT (if the dCDN will perform request redirection itself)." - If the dCDN returned a CNAME to be resolved by its request router, could the dCDN at that point choose to do either DNS or HTTP redirection, or is the dCDN, at the time of the RI request, promising not to do HTTP redirection when resolving the CNAME? "o The IP address(es) of (or the CNAME of) a RT which is a Request Router (if the dCDN is performing HTTP based redirection). A dCDN MUST NOT return a RT which is a Request Router if the dns-only key is set to True in the RI request." - Can we add the units for "ttl" to the description? Should be seconds? This is the TTL for the DNS response? Is there an implied scope for the RI response? Should the uCDN not try to glean anything from it? Either way, we might want to explicitly state whether or not the uCDN can use that information (especially if the information conflicts with the scope information in the HTTP response headers of the RI response). Section 4.5.1: - For "cs-uri", is this the RFC2616 Request-URI from the HTTP request, or is this the RFC7230 Effective Request URI? Could/Should/Would the uCDN ever transform the URI to make it understandable to the dCDN? - "User Agent's DNS query/request." -> "User Agent's HTTP request." Section 4.5.2: - I think this is confusing because the dCDN is not performing HTTP redirection so much as it is allowing the uCDN to perform HTTP redirection; the dCDN is just responding to the RI request? "o A URL pointing to the selected RT (if the dCDN is performing HTTP based redirection directly to a surrogate); or" Perhaps it would be more clear with something like: "o A URL pointing to the selected surrogate as the RT (if the dCDN is allowing the uCDN to directly address the surrogate); or" If the dCDN returns a URL with a DNS name rather than an IP address, then the dCDN may still do DNS redirection? There's no way to tell from the URL returned via the RI whether the dCDN is doing any further redirection (DNS or HTTP)? - This could be modified like the one in 4.4.2: "o A URL pointing to a RT which is a Request Router (if the dCDN is not redirecting the User Agent directly to a surrogate)." to something like: "o The IP address(es) of the dCDN request router as the RT (if the dCDN will perform request redirection itself)." - Why is there a special case for "sc(cache-control)" in the table? It is not mandatory and already covered by "sc()"? This is the cacheability of the HTTP response. Is there an implied scope for the RI response? Should the uCDN not try to glean anything from it? Either way, we might want to explicitly state whether or not the uCDN can use that information (especially if the information conflicts with the scope information in the HTTP response headers of the RI response). - "some or all" -> "any or all" Section 4.6: - "except for the c-ip field" -> "except for the c-ip field," Section 4.7: - "for a dCDN not being able" -> "for a dCDN to be unable" - "diagnostics of issues" -> "diagnosis of issues" - "The resolution of such issues is outside the scope of this document and this document therefore does not specify the consequent actions a uCDN should take upon receiving a particular error code." -> "The resolution of such issues is outside the scope of this document; this document does not specify any consequent actions a uCDN should take upon receiving a particular error code." - Are error-codes generally vendor implementation/deployment dependent? "A three-digit numeric code defined by the server" Should there be a registry for all error codes? If the registry is mandatory, and/or if conflicts are disallowed, might want to note that. If we are allowing vendors to define overlapping error codes at will, is it just left up to the uCDN to figure out what to do with them? - Depending on the answer to the dns-only question above, should there also be an error code for "dCDN does not support DNS redirection and does not want to give a surrogate address and dns-only set to true"? Would that just be a 500? - Is it valid for the dCDN to set the Cache-Control header for an error response, e.g., out of capacity for the next 20 min? - Is it necessary to have both of these requirements? If the transit CDNs never forward to looped dCDNs, the dCDNs should never be able to detect a loop (assuming a uCDN doesn't sent to itself)? "When receiving RI requests a dCDN MUST check the cdn-path and reject any RI requests which already contain the downstream CDN's Provider ID in the cdn-path. Transit CDNs MUST check the cdn-path and not cascade the RI request to downstream CDNs that are already listed in cdn-path." I don't see any harm in listing both checks, just to be safe, but I didn't know if I was missing something? - Why aren't the 502 and 503 errors a MUST? "If a downstream CDN receives a RI request whose cdn-path already contains that downstream CDN's Provider ID the downstream CDN SHOULD send a RI response with an error code of 502." "If a downstream CDN receives a RI request where the number of CDN Provider IDs in cdn-path is greater than max-hops, the downstream CDN SHOULD send a RI response with an error code of 503." - "As well as loops with the RI itself, there" -> "There" Section 5: - Should we make TLS a MUST? Using similar text to the triggers draft? > -----Original Message----- > From: CDNi [mailto:cdni-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Niven-Jenkins > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:41 PM > To: cdni@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CDNi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05.txt >=20 > Colleagues, >=20 > This update just contains a small number of editorial changes the editors > noticed when preparing for IETF91. >=20 > Regards > Ben >=20 > On 10 Nov 2014, at 23:39, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Content Delivery Networks Interconnect= ion > Working Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : Request Routing Redirection Interface for CDN > Interconnection > > Authors : Ben Niven-Jenkins > > Ray van Brandenburg > > Filename : draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05.txt > > Pages : 29 > > Date : 2014-11-10 > > > > Abstract: > > The Request Routing Interface comprises of (1) the asynchronous > > advertisement of footprint and capabilities by a downstream CDN that > > allows a upstream CDN to decide whether to redirect particular user > > requests to that downstream CDN; and (2) the synchronous operation of > > an upstream CDN requesting whether a downstream CDN is prepared to > > accept a user request and of a downstream CDN responding with how to > > actually redirect the user request. This document describes an > > interface for the latter part, i.e. the CDNI Request Routing > > Redirection interface. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cdni-redirection/ > > > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-cdni-redirection-05 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CDNi mailing list > > CDNi@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cdni >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CDNi mailing list > CDNi@ietf.org > 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Hi all,

 

In Honolulu, I volunteered to review draft-ietf-cdni= -redirection-05. I have done this, and think the draft is in good shape, an= d technically quite sound. Below follow more detailed comments.<= /p>

 

Best regards,

Bert

 

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(BG1) In section 4.2: "The cdn-path MAY be refl= ected back in RI responses, although doing so would expose information to t= he uCDN that a dCDN may not wish to expose (for example, the existence of b= usiness relationships between a dCDN and other CDNs)." The information in the cdn-path can be forwarded from a= dCDN to another dCDN though. Why is it not a problem that the second dCDN = acquires such information from the first?

 

(BG2) In section 4.4.1, the bullet list specifies fi= ve information points that need to be passed from the uCDN to the dCDN. The= IP address or prefix of the UA is also listed, but in the following table,= the related field "c-subnet" is not mandatory. Why is it not mandatory?

 

(BG3) Related to (BG2): It seems better to combine t= he text "This dns dictionary MUST contain the following keys: resolver= -ip, qtype, qclass, qname and the value of each MUST be the value of the ap= propriate part of the User Agent's DNS query/request" with the bullet list at the start of section 4.4.1, as= the information seems to be double. This comment also applies to section 4= .5.1.

 

(BG4) In section 4.4.2: "The dns dictionary MAY= include both 'a' and 'aaaa' keys. If the dns dictionary contains a cname k= ey it MUST NOT contain either an a or aaaa key." Why? It makes sense t= o not do a DNS lookup for a cname if the related IP address is already available in the response, but why mandate the absen= ce of cname in that case?

 

(BG5) Do the 'a' and 'aaaa' fields point at the same= RTs?  (I notice in the examples that the number of elements in the 'a= ' and 'aaaa' fields are equal, which may mean that for each element in a th= ere is a related element in 'aaaa'.) I guess this is not the case, but want to make sure.

 

(BG6) Table in section 4.5.1: "cs-uri", &q= uot;The URI requested by the UA". This URI is called URL elsewhere. Un= ify the wording.

 

(BG7) Section 4.5.1: "In the case where the Use= r Agent request includes multiple HTTP header fields with the same field-na= me, it is up to the uCDN to determine how to handle this. One option would = be to only send the contents of the first occurrence of that HTTP Header in the User Agent Request. Another would be= to combine the different HTTP Headers into a single value according to Sec= tion 3.2.2 of [RFC7230]." The text in RFC 7230 says that such combined= header field is semantically equivalent to the separated headers fields. However, here we allow different handling= for such equivalent encodings. Maybe we should mandate that the Headers ne= ed to be combined into a single value, or at least use a SHOULD?=

 

(BG8) In sections 4.5.1 and 4.5.2, there is mentioni= ng of the keys "sc(<headername>)" and "cs(<headerna= me>)". Are these the same? If so, use a single key. If not, explain= their difference. (Maybe this has something to do with the direction server->client, client->server.)

 

(BG9) Related to (BG8): in the last line on page 16,= should "cs(<headername>)" be "sc(<headername>)&= quot;?

 

(BG10) I propose to modify first sentence in section= 4.6, "RI responses may be cacheable and may be reused by the uCDN in = response to User Agent requests without the uCDN issuing another RI request= to the dCDN if the RI response is considered cachable & not stale according to the standard HTTP Cache-Control, etc= mechanisms." as follows: "RI responses may be cacheable. As long= as a cached RI response is not stale according to standard HTTP Cache-Cont= rol or other applicable mechanisms, it may be reused by the uCDN in response to User Agent requests without sending anot= her RI request to the dCDN."

 

(BG11) Section 4.6 contains the following text: &quo= t;(except for the c-ip field provided the User Agent's c-ip is covered by t= he scope in the original RI response)". The scope dictionary ("ip= range") is only defined later, making the sentence confusing. Maybe reword as follows: "(except for the c-ip field provi= ded that the User Agent's c-ip is covered by the scope in the original RI r= esponse, as elaborated upon below)".

 

(BG12) The second example on page 9 in has two "= ;max-age" fields: one in the header ("max-age=3D60") and one= in the body ("max-age=3D30"). The former must be meant for the u= CDN, whereas the latter is meant for the UA. Maybe it would be good to add the following text after "Example of HTTP redirection response= from Section 4.5.2 that is cacheable by the uCDN for 60 seconds and can be= returned to any User Agent with an IPv4 address in 198.51.100.0/24.":= "Notice that the response to the UA is only valid for 30 seconds, whereas the uCDN can cache the RI response for 60 se= conds."

 

(BG13) In the second table in section 4.7, on page 2= 2, there is the text "<reason>" for codes 100, 400, and 500= . From the IANA considerations section, it later becomes clear that this &q= uot;<reason>" is actually the value of the "reason" st= ring in the error information. However, that is not clear from the table. I thi= nk it would be good to clarify this already in section 4.7.

 

(BG14) In section 4.8, there is the following text (= A) about the max-hops value: "Transit CDNs MUST NOT propagate to any d= ownstream CDNs if the number of CDN Provider IDs in cdn-path is equal to or= greater than max-hops." In addition, there is the text (B): "If a downstream CDN receives a RI request where the= number of CDN Provider IDs in cdn-path is greater than max-hops, the downs= tream CDN SHOULD send a RI response with an error code of 503.". Text = (B) seems to indicate that the values of max-hops / cdn-path are checked upon receipt of the message, not before sending it.= Thus, if max-hops =3D 1, the first dCDN can propagate the RI request, but = the second cannot. That means that in text (A), the cdn-path is evaluated _= before_ the dCDN adds its own Provider ID. I propose to write this explicitly, and thus rephrase (A) as follows: = "Transit CDNs MUST NOT propagate to any downstream CDNs if the number = of CDN Provider IDs in cdn-path (before adding its own Provider ID) is equa= l to or greater than max-hops."

 

 

Bert Greevenbosch

Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.

 

bert.greevenbosch@huawei.com

 

Huawei Industrial Base F1-8

Bantian, Longgang District

Shenzhen 518129

P.R. China

 

http://www.huawei.com

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(Ray) van" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9600544 X-Mailcore-Domain: 172912 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cdni/bnpAnAQe-XwuRAAOiyMY4PmPuS4 Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] Liaison Statement on URI Signing for MPEG-DASH X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:54:06 -0000 Ray, See inline... On 24 Nov 2014, at 08:29, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van = wrote: > On 20/11/14 23:50, "Ben Niven-Jenkins" = wrote: >=20 >> Ray, >>=20 >> I haven't caught up with the whole thread yet, but wanted to respond = to a=20 >> couple things you say below. >>=20 >> On 17 Nov 2014, at 10:27, Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van=20 >> wrote: >>=20 >>> From: Matt Caulfield (mcaulfie) [mailto:mcaulfie@cisco.com]=20 >>>> From: Brandenburg, R. (Ray) van [mailto:ray.vanbrandenburg@tno.nl]I=20= >>>> don=92t necessarily think this method is superior to the = Cookie-method. >>>> Both have their pros and cons. The problem with the Cookie method = is=20 >>>> that it doesn=92t work when the manifest is served by the Content=20= >>>> Provider (which can be quite a common case). The problem with the=20= >>>> header-query-string method is that it only works for DASH clients, = and=20 >>>> not for standard HLS clients. >>>=20 >>> In the case where the manifest is served by the Content Provider and=20= >>> the segments are served by the CDN, wouldn't the MPD need to contain=20= >>> absolute URLs? Meaning that segment URLs would go through regular=20 >>> request routing and URI signing? >>>=20 >>> [Ray] Yes, it would contain absolute URLs. It would be possible for = the=20 >>> CSP to sign these URLs, however, that would mean signing them with = an=20 >>> expiration time of at least the length of the content item. >>=20 >> Isn't that the same for the case where both the manifest & content is=20= >> served by the dCDN? The Content Provider only gets one chance to sign = a=20 >> cookie in that case too? >=20 > The initial cookie yes. But the dCDN has the chance of=20 > refreshing/resigning the cookie every time a new request comes in.=20 I'm struggling a little to get a picture of how you imagine this = working? If the dCDN is seeing a valid (token in a) cookie and then setting a new = (token in a) cookie to effectively extend the validity of authorisation = to access the content, it is not clear to me how that is in practice any = different to setting a single cookie with a long expiration time. Could you explain a bit what the difference are? >> I also don't understand why the Content Provider delivering the = manifest=20 >> and the dCDN delivering the content results in the Content Provider=20= >> having to sign the individual URLs in the manifest. >>=20 >> AFAIK (I haven't tested it), the Content Provider can deliver the=20 >> manifest from manifest.video.example.com and deliver the content via = the=20 >> uCDN/dCDN by using URLs pointing to chunks.video.example.com and = share=20 >> cookies across the domains by setting the token in a cookie with a = Domain=20 >> attribute of ".video.example.com". >=20 > I believe most browser implementations reject cross-domain cookies, = unless=20 > using CORS.=20 What I described are not really cross-domain cookies, the situation I = describe above is allowed by RFC6265 for instance and is not the same as = say manifest.bar.com trying to set a cookie for chunks.foo.com Having said that I have no idea whether browsers typically have a = stricter policy than specified in RFC6265 but I have seen references on = various help websites (e.g. stack overflow) suggesting what I describe = above as being allowed by browsers. >> Alternatively the Content Provider could use CORS to enable cookie=20 >> sharing across domains. >=20 > I haven=92t thought of using CORS before. In theory I guess it should = be=20 > possible. Do you have any idea on whether such a mechanism is used in=20= > practice by players/CDNs? We have customers that use CORS as part of their video services/players = (where we are the CDN) but I am not in a position to share many details. = I have seen CORS used to deliver video to Chromecast devices. >>> For an MPD of a 90min movie, that would mean expiration times of at=20= >>> least 90mins, which would reduce, if not negate altogether, the=20 >>> effectiveness of signing the URLs in the first place. >>=20 >> There are other approaches to avoid long expiration times, e.g = defining=20 >> the semantics of the token so that it expiration applies to TCP=20 >> connection setup and so multiple requests are allowed on a persistent=20= >> connection past the expiration time of the token.=20 >=20 > Hmm, yes, that would probably work, although it would give issues in = case=20 > of dropped TCP connections. It does sound a bit like a cross-layer=20 > violation. Are you aware of any implementations that work like this? I am not aware of any implementations that work like that. Another way to minimise the possible exposure of a long expiration time = would be to "lock" the token to the client's IP address, although that = is not perfect in all cases either. Ben >=20 > Ray >=20 >>=20 >> Ben > This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If = you are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, = you are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. TNO = accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail, for the manner in = which you use it and for damage of any kind resulting from the risks = inherent to the electronic transmission of messages.