From nobody Tue Nov 1 08:24:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADF7129A0D for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:24:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ogre.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9DKJpVZ5FOAz for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cosmo.ogre.com (cosmo4.ogre.com [71.6.165.248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C908129713 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cosmo.ogre.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uA1FOeNl004855 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 1 Nov 2016 08:24:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ogre.com; s=03062012; t=1478013882; bh=zb0vVpjodFENc6TkS3qRYZMEHOGs2Nx6l2dhZTFXEec=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=hVgEx4X+OroTUKHxLkZ9NoMN0fG73dZ2RLpKOPv1KGfZ3q0EHMaUer3mbUQgF397/ 2iATFHVUuyCRYX4fqHim0so1DPnD67jXMEnl97Qrc25/xU6K33uk6x6Es5+OZnVAn6 9YSa29jAhcJAFqkQELdAdOGgBfV+t2aYfVXePjbI= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.0 \(3226\)) From: Leif Hedstrom In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 09:24:40 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8FF13AE0-272D-43B2-A4A6-A96EB2B1D560@ogre.com> References: <147556991928.12899.3720041473146885160.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Phil Sorber X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3226) Archived-At: Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing-10.txt X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 15:24:57 -0000 > On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Phil Sorber wrote: >=20 > I added your text changes to the PR. >=20 > As far as ignoring extra claims, it was for third parties. I am = rethinking this though. Leif expressed some concerns about processing = performance if we allowed free form content. It seems like ignoring = unknown claims is of marginal value, but it had several downsides. My thinking is that we should make efforts to clamp down specifications = on what is acceptable (and required) JSON and claims here. Such that = someone could write a really fast, simplified JWT parser that only = handles the cases we must support, nothing more, nothing less. Cheers, =E2=80=94 Leif From nobody Wed Nov 2 11:56:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cdni@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF29129B43 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:56:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3qEEgHp0pSb3 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C0149129B3C for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 39257 invoked by uid 99); 2 Nov 2016 18:56:31 -0000 Received: from mail-relay.apache.org (HELO mail-relay.apache.org) (140.211.11.15) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:56:31 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com (mail-yw0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by mail-relay.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mail-relay.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 6732A1A02A7 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 18:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f172.google.com with SMTP id h14so19561287ywa.2 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:56:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvc/bjELR+axribIBfr1uU8xqfUPqKOn0Zybvat3H9LTfiik/3jNiTh5ReNt03mNbs7+5+LbaddLInDA/A== X-Received: by 10.129.86.86 with SMTP id k83mr3944345ywb.256.1478112990696; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 11:56:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <147556991928.12899.3720041473146885160.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <8FF13AE0-272D-43B2-A4A6-A96EB2B1D560@ogre.com> In-Reply-To: <8FF13AE0-272D-43B2-A4A6-A96EB2B1D560@ogre.com> From: Phil Sorber Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:56:20 +0000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Leif Hedstrom Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114329debfa13b054055ff06 Archived-At: Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cdni-uri-signing-10.txt X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:56:34 -0000 --001a114329debfa13b054055ff06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I've reverted to the "reject" wording. On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:25 AM Leif Hedstrom wrote: > > > On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Phil Sorber wrote: > > > > I added your text changes to the PR. > > > > As far as ignoring extra claims, it was for third parties. I am > rethinking this though. Leif expressed some concerns about processing > performance if we allowed free form content. It seems like ignoring unkno= wn > claims is of marginal value, but it had several downsides. > > > My thinking is that we should make efforts to clamp down specifications o= n > what is acceptable (and required) JSON and claims here. Such that someone > could write a really fast, simplified JWT parser that only handles the > cases we must support, nothing more, nothing less. > > Cheers, > > =E2=80=94 Leif > > --001a114329debfa13b054055ff06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, I've reverted to the "reject" wording.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:= 25 AM Leif Hedstrom <leif@ogre.com&= gt; wrote:

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Phil Sorber <sorber@apache.org>= ; wrote:
>
> I added your text changes to the PR.
>
> As far as ignoring extra claims, it was for third parties. I am rethin= king this though. Leif expressed some concerns about processing performance= if we allowed free form content. It seems like ignoring unknown claims is = of marginal value, but it had several downsides.


My thinking is that we should make efforts to clamp down specifications on = what is acceptable (and required) JSON and claims here. Such that someone c= ould write a really fast, simplified JWT parser that only handles the cases= we must support, nothing more, nothing less.

Cheers,

=E2=80=94 Leif

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Dear Francois,

 

This is Christine from Huawei, Chin= a. Currently in Seoul for IETF 97.

I am concentrating on VR oriented n= etwork technology for low latency and high throughput.

Our team have a nice idea in CDN to= meet with possible challenges that VR bringing to network.

In architecture and algorithm impro= vement.

 

I wonder is there any special reaso= n for this time ART-CDNi having no arrangements in IETF97?

What would the next time session op= ening?

 

Looking forward to your reply, than= k you very much!

 

Best Regards!

---------------------= -------------------------------------------

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=D6=EC=BC=CC=C8=D9JiRong ZHU (Christine)

Chief A= rchitect of VR Network=

Network Technology La= b

Mobile: +86 13= 770537991

Email: jirong.zhu@huawei.com

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(ask@mail.dev@31.133.144.40) by smtp.develooper.com with ESMTPA; 17 Nov 2016 14:13:54 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3255\)) From: =?utf-8?Q?Ask_Bj=C3=B8rn_Hansen?= In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 23:13:45 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "Zhujirong (Christine)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3255) Archived-At: Cc: "cdni@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CDNi] wonder why no meeting of CDNI in IETF 97 X-BeenThere: cdni@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss issues associated with the Interconnection of Content Delivery Networks \(CDNs\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:13:56 -0000 > On Nov 17, 2016, at 22:23 , Zhujirong (Christine) = wrote: >=20 > Our team have a nice idea in CDN to meet with possible challenges that = VR bringing to network. In architecture and algorithm improvement. If I understand the process right then it=E2=80=99d be appropriate to = bring it up on the mailing list before the next meeting (and discussion = on the mailing list will show if there=E2=80=99s need for a meeting at = the next IETF). What special demands does VR put on CDN systems? Ask