From nobody Wed May 2 09:55:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4706F12D955 for ; Wed, 2 May 2018 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (4096-bit key) header.d=bunkus.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T2J6VnlLlO9b for ; Wed, 2 May 2018 09:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adara.bunkus.org (adara.bunkus.org [144.76.6.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDB691205D3 for ; Wed, 2 May 2018 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bunkus.org; s=mail2017070101; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=dRnp16DNi2dqcxT6GRk9qnNIFXQBNHUxFZBASs4q3HU=; b=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; Received: from liselle.bunkus.org ([2a01:4f8:190:8147::105:1]:38672) by adara.bunkus.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1fDv1x-0002BI-0S; Wed, 02 May 2018 18:55:01 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bunkus.org Received: from sweet-chili.local (unknown [192.168.191.4]) by liselle.bunkus.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFE39654299D; Wed, 2 May 2018 18:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sweet-chili (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sweet-chili.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6733798757; Wed, 2 May 2018 18:54:52 +0200 (CEST) User-agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 25.3.1 From: Moritz Bunkus To: help Questions , Cellar list Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 18:54:52 +0200 Message-ID: <87efium203.fsf@bunkus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] MKVToolNix v23.0.0 released X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 16:55:15 -0000 Hey. MKVToolNix v23.0.0 is out containing a moderate number of enhancements and bug fixes. About AV1 support: even though the previous release was the first to support AV1, keep in mind that neither the bitstream format nor the method of storage in MP4, WebM and Matroska has been finalized yet. I've therefore decided to disable AV1 support by default. You have to enable it manually by passing `--engage enable_av1` to mkvmerge. mkvmerge can still identify AV1 without that option, but it'll refuse to multiplex it. Note further that only supported bitstream format is the one that was active on 2018-05-02. To my users on Debian and Ubuntu: the layout of my APT repositories was changed in April. You'll have to update your `sources.list` entry accordingly. Read more about that in this blog post: https://www.bunkus.org/blog/2018/04/debian-ubuntu-apt-repository-changes/ Here are the usual links: …to the source code: https://mkvtoolnix.download/source.html …to the binaries: https://mkvtoolnix.download/downloads.html The Windows and macOS binaries are available already. The Linux binaries are still being built and will be available of the course of the next couple of hours. Here are the NEWS since the previous release: ------------------------------------------------------------ # Version 23.0.0 "The Bride Said No" 2018-05-02 ## New features and enhancements * mkvmerge: input: format detection uses file-extension to improve performance and to give preference when several formats match. * mkvmerge: AV1: added support for reading AV1 video from Open Bitstream Unit files. * mkvmerge: AV1: adjusted the code for the AV1 bitstream format changes made up to 2018-05-02 (git revision d14e878). * mkvmerge: MP4 reader: if a track has an edit list with two identical entries, each spanning the file's duration as given in the movie header atom, then the second entry will now be ignored. Improves the handling of files with bogus data; see #2196 and #2270. * MKVToolNix GUI: multiplexer: added options to only enable tracks of certain types by default. Implements #2271. * MKVToolNix GUI: multiplexer: added an option to enable dialog normalization gain removal by default for all audio tracks for which the operation is supported. Implements #2272. * MKVToolNix GUI: multiplexer: when deriving track languages from the file names is active and the file name contains the usual season/episode pattern (e.g. "S02E14"), then only the part after the season/episode pattern will be used for detecting the language. Part of the improvements for #2267. * MKVToolNix GUI: multiplexer: the regular expression used for deriving track languages from the file names can now be customized in the preferences. Part of the improvements for #2267. * MKVToolNix GUI: multiplexer: the user can now customize the list of track languages the GUI recognizes in file names. This list defaults to a handful of common languages instead of the full list of supported languages. Part of the improvements for #2267. ## Bug fixes * mkvmerge: MP3 packetizer: removed a memory leak growing linearly with the track's size. * mkvmerge: VobSub packetizer: whenever a VobSub packet doesn't contain a duration on the container level, mkvmerge will now set it from the duration in the SPU packets. Before it was accidentally setting the SPU-level duration to 0 instead. Fixes #2260. * mkvmerge: track statistics tags: if writing the `Date` element is deactivated via `--no-date`, the `_STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC` isn't written either anymore. Fixes #2286. * mkvmerge, mkvextract, mkvpropedit: removed several small, constant-size memory leaks. * mkvextract: fixed a crash when mkvextract with a non-Matroska file as the source file. Fixes #2281. * MKVToolNix GUI: the central area is now scrollable, allowing the GUI to be resized to almost arbitrary sizes. Fixes #2265. * MKVToolNix GUI: multiplexer: the "copy file title to destination file name" functionality will now replace everything in the destination file name up to the last period instead of only up to the first period. Fixes #2276. ## Build system changes * build system: MKVToolNix now requires a compiler that supports the following features of the C++14 standard: "user-defined literals for `std::string`". For the GNU Compiler Collection (gcc) this means v5.x or newer; for clang it means v3.4 or newer. * Windows: linking against and installing shared version of the libraries with MXE is now supported by setting `configure`'s `host` triplet accordingly, e.g. `--host=x86_64-w64-mingw32.shared`. ## Other changes * mkvmerge: AV1: support for AV1 must be activated manually by adding `--engage enable_av1` as the AV1 bitstream specification hasn't been finalized yet. ------------------------------------------------------------ Have fun :) mosu From nobody Wed May 9 06:59:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietf.org Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDC0124205; Wed, 9 May 2018 06:59:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: cellar@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152587438465.3863.6429538141912529848@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2018 06:59:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission (cellar) WG Virtual Meeting: 2018-05-29 X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2018 13:59:45 -0000 The Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission (cellar) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2018-05-29 from 20:00 to 21:00 UTC. 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Michael and Tim WEBEX INFO: Meeting number: 313 505 170 Meeting password: dq64cWsm Information about remote participation: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=me21026faa14be85507cdef66b860014e From nobody Tue May 22 13:48:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5909B12D871 for ; Tue, 22 May 2018 13:48:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DY2VXhBiqYno for ; Tue, 22 May 2018 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1264124D37 for ; Tue, 22 May 2018 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D2320091 for ; Tue, 22 May 2018 17:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 992242D9E; Tue, 22 May 2018 16:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958652C61 for ; Tue, 22 May 2018 16:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: cellar@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] draft Agenda for Virtual Interim meeting May 29, 2018 X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 20:48:29 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CELLAR -- Agenda for Virtual Interim Meeting May 29, 2018 INFO: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-cellar-01/materials/agend= a-interim-2018-cellar-01-cellar-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2018-cellar-01-cellar-01/ WEBEX: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm7b0a6e8d394a8310c3d98a728b1918fe Meeting number (access code): 313 505 170 Host key: 763872 Meeting password: dq64cWsm JOIN BY PHONE 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)=20 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) (If you want to try your system in advance of the meeting time, please email me unicast. The latest webex supports webrtc) Agenda: 1. Note Well. 2. Logistics for Meeting. 2a) Etherpad for notes https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual01?useMonospac= eFont=3Dtrue 2b) Roll call 3. Status of draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-04 document. - Is it ready? - Open Issue: #48 NEED Proposed Text=20 add section for handling bad data https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification/issues/48 =20=20=20=20=20 - Open Issue: #157 NEED Proposed Text. Define DoctypeVersion 0 as invalid/experimental https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification/issues/157 - General topic of Security Considerations section (which is now part of= the draft) - Do we need to define a maximum nesting depth? - Should VINT be canonically the shortest representation possible? - Need to add IANA registry for EBML binary tag names What is the amenda formula? (MCR will propose IANA considerations text to list) https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cellar/current/msg01269.html 4. Status of draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-02 (version 0,1,3) -- legacy format. - Is this two documents from one source really working for everyone? - should we just fork repo? - Can we publish this document without waiting for -v4? - Need to change this to Informational: Discussion. =20=20=20 5. Status of draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-00 - This version is IETF Standards Track. - what documents depend upon this document? =20=20=20 6. Status of draft-lhomme-cellar-codec-00 WG adoption? =20=20=20 7. Status of draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04 WG adoption, can it proceed without ffv1-v4? =20=20=20 8. Status of draft-lhomme-cellar-tags-00 WG adoption, can it proceed without ffv1-v4? Tim and Michael. =2D-=20 Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBWwSB/4CLcPvd0N1lAQInlAf/cNff5zHJ0fbIr3lswtNIUGJ2MHaNCqsG UR1/1LRZjTq3pFNXH3C2QFCyo9i1We3rRDf/+CEFcn/ai07XS0qqebIbp0LoNb5l 91WifWZ5wE/M6R1IIb73BEvFteLgLyHbQYpFRb5KjSLAgZjToHVHqdqX/XgYbVCg kvbeDPXeKHJBV00X0d8ZJTvD5lWJkqyhoNEBcc/j4KNueNLdcs71TAfKWTxQ9ywY Pu6tYHEMy414gC1zZc4T+Zv19x8rJdinmI4n8iDcokFqc9lOq2lJCZxN+RMesw2z eTNRxteOIEZ1fMSgfOgWpjnWjrb+7kMjWMTBX4DzCgHHkxo6x89k6A== =e0Pr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue May 29 10:47:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFC41200C1 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Q5cxBf_xOt1 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 10:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4573F12422F for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 10:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E9F20091 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 14:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id DFD212642; Tue, 29 May 2018 13:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD683263F for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 13:47:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson to: cellar@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <12749.1527022079@localhost> References: <12749.1527022079@localhost> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] REMINDER -- VIRTUAL INTERIM TODAY Re: draft Agenda for Virtual Interim meeting May 29, 2018 X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 17:47:55 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4pm EDT (16:00) 1pm PDT. 20:00 UTC. I will be in the cellar Jabber room, see https://www6.ietf.org/jabber/index= .html if you need help. You can also reach me at mcharlesr@gmail.com, and mcr@xmpp.credil.org.=20 More ways at http://www.sandelman.ca/mcr/, but answering the phone will be hard while on the conference. You can join up to 15 minutes early so that you can figure out if your mic works. Michael Richardson wrote: > CELLAR -- Agenda for Virtual Interim Meeting > May 29, 2018 > INFO: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-cellar-01/materials= /agenda-interim-2018-cellar-01-cellar-01 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2018-cellar-01-cellar= -01/ > WEBEX: > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm7b0a6e8d394a8310c3d98a728b1= 918fe > Meeting number (access code): 313 505 170 > Meeting password: dq64cWsm > JOIN BY PHONE > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)=20 > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > (If you want to try your system in advance of the meeting time, please > email me unicast. The latest webex supports webrtc) > Agenda: > 1. Note Well. > 2. Logistics for Meeting. > 2a) Etherpad for notes > https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual01?useMonospace= Font=3Dtrue > 2b) Roll call > 3. Status of draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-04 document. > - Is it ready? > - Open Issue: #48 NEED Proposed Text=20 > add section for handling bad data > https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification/issues/48 =20=20=20=20=20 > - Open Issue: #157 NEED Proposed Text. > Define DoctypeVersion 0 as invalid/experimental > https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification/issues/157 > - General topic of Security Considerations section (which is now part= of the draft) > - Do we need to define a maximum nesting depth? > - Should VINT be canonically the shortest representation possible? > - Need to add IANA registry for EBML binary tag names > What is the amenda formula? (MCR will propose IANA considerations te= xt > to list) > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cellar/current/msg01269.html > 4. Status of draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-02 (version 0,1,3) -- legacy for= mat. > - Is this two documents from one source really working for everyone? > - should we just fork repo? > - Can we publish this document without waiting for -v4? > - Need to change this to Informational: Discussion. =20=20=20 > 5. Status of draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-00 > - This version is IETF Standards Track. > - what documents depend upon this document? =20=20=20 > 6. Status of draft-lhomme-cellar-codec-00 > WG adoption? =20=20=20 > 7. Status of draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04 > WG adoption, can it proceed without ffv1-v4? =20=20=20 > 8. Status of draft-lhomme-cellar-tags-00 > WG adoption, can it proceed without ffv1-v4? > Tim and Michael. > --=20 > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- =2D-=20 Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBWw2SI4CLcPvd0N1lAQLrkggAjolRyc2lLkA8JL7Ikltx9cxVfcMaRbeF ZSSuUKkF0u0nLXG2YKrSBCMXDTo7T3rbUTZ7fVWIGid+fed1N5pZGle/7EaUwGRC kOU1ZgS1Am43qEMc41zQDwlfglmB88OgCGVqZ8yI95pH5VwIdjFYG6NovxgHPGgR YGW1DKuaRnXdu1YOVPheeew9pZ5TQivqWgj5VTDJZdD04HH5D6OZeNSNzXOncUNh 4sOnuCm8GVtF4Kb+q2Al30Pi1Uf235E03/bYRd22LeHwzpEnEwSeI67pNm74cTNA j80ULYA4GI1HAJitxoFujRAYMYP6RLixkkTugfPsg/FJs5ZNRdwdSA== =HzHG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed May 30 18:05:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF93012DA15 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QlAp7YvJeoQr for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.mozilla.org (mx2.scl3.mozilla.com [63.245.214.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69EDF12EAE5 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost6.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.mail.scl3.mozilla.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E457C0882 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:05:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mozilla.org Received: from smtp.mozilla.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.mail.scl3.mozilla.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QO2X0TW6YK0s for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.252.25.255] (corp-nat.fw1.untrust.mtv2.mozilla.net [63.245.221.198]) (Authenticated sender: tterriberry@mozilla.com) by mx2.mail.scl3.mozilla.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2334CC06B0 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:05:31 +0000 (UTC) To: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission From: "Timothy B. Terriberry" Message-ID: <744c37e2-b68c-5234-d636-8b1dc79c53d3@xiph.org> Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 18:05:30 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Minutes from 29 May 2018 virtual interim X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 01:05:37 -0000 Thanks to those who joined the call and those who helped take notes on the etherpad. The minutes are now available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-cellar-01/materials/minutes-interim-2018-cellar-01-201805292000 From nobody Wed May 30 18:14:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D051512D88F for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 18:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mSIFrD7lDBdl for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.mozilla.org (mx2.scl3.mozilla.com [63.245.214.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73B1412D87E for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost6.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.mail.scl3.mozilla.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C8BC02F1 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:14:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mozilla.org Received: from smtp.mozilla.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.mail.scl3.mozilla.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cm0WDbwT2FvS for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.252.25.255] (corp-nat.fw1.untrust.mtv2.mozilla.net [63.245.221.198]) (Authenticated sender: tterriberry@mozilla.com) by mx2.mail.scl3.mozilla.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 446DFC0087 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:14:05 +0000 (UTC) To: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission From: "Timothy B. Terriberry" Message-ID: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 18:14:05 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Call for adoption of three new WG items X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 01:14:07 -0000 Some people had to drop off the virtual interim call before we got through all of the agenda items, so we did not ask for adoption of the three Matroska drafts as working group items, but we would like to do so now on the list*. We request that people indicate support or objection to the adoption of the following three drafts as working group drafts: draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04 draft-lhomme-cellar-codec-00 draft-lhomme-cellar-tags-00 As a general reminder, adopting a draft as a working group item does not mean that the group thinks the draft is ready to publish or even necessarily complete, but that it represents a solid enough foundation for the group to focus their work around it. Note also that once adopted, the editors are responsible for making sure the draft reflects working group consensus, even if it differs from their own personal opinions. This will be a two-week call for consensus, ending June 13th. * As per usual, if we had called for consensus during the call, we would still have confirmed it on the list. 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Kind regards, mosu From nobody Thu May 31 01:36:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B9312EC77 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:36:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QqbgYRaLh32L for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch (smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch [128.65.195.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B9CB12EC20 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.infomaniak.ch (smtp7.infomaniak.ch [83.166.132.30]) by smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w4V8aXIi031837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:36:34 +0200 Received: from castor.home (237.43.78.83.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch [83.78.43.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp7.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w4V8aXLa071529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:36:33 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 10:36:34 +0200 From: Reto Kromer To: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.4.3 (480) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Call for adoption of three new WG items X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 08:36:40 -0000 Timothy B. Terriberry wrote: >We request that people indicate support or objection to the >adoption of the following three drafts as working group drafts: >draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04 >draft-lhomme-cellar-codec-00 >draft-lhomme-cellar-tags-00 I am in favour. Best regards, Reto From nobody Thu May 31 01:47:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9385812F4D8 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:47:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GU9OrHzV1Rb3 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 7.mo2.mail-out.ovh.net (7.mo2.mail-out.ovh.net [188.165.48.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D0FB12EC45 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 01:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player759.ha.ovh.net (unknown [10.109.122.118]) by mo2.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EE9138571 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:47:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.120] (p5DDB54A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.219.84.166]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@mediaarea.net) by player759.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4B6D64009F for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:47:21 +0200 (CEST) To: cellar@ietf.org References: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: <4fba0261-ced3-9824-91f5-9487a13cf143@mediaarea.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 10:47:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 13157829265245671569 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedthedriedvgddtlecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecu Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Call for adoption of three new WG items X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 08:47:43 -0000 On 31/05/2018 03:14, Timothy B. Terriberry wrote: > We request that people indicate support or objection to the adoption > of the following three drafts as working group drafts: > draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04 > draft-lhomme-cellar-codec-00 > draft-lhomme-cellar-tags-00 I am in favour. 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Terriberry wrote: >> >> We request that people indicate support or objection to the adoption of >> the following three drafts as working group drafts: >> draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04 >> draft-lhomme-cellar-codec-00 >> draft-lhomme-cellar-tags-00 I am in favor for all three. > > I am in favour. > > J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me > > > _______________________________________________ > Cellar mailing list > Cellar@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar --=20 Steve Lhomme Matroska association Chairman From nobody Thu May 31 03:54:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF8C12DB71 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 03:54:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KOUkKFvjhd-d for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 03:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5B14126DED for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 03:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] ([93.243.136.43]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MLj5z-1fNWGt2pgR-000spn for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 12:54:04 +0200 To: cellar@ietf.org References: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> <87sh689wvq.fsf@bunkus.org> From: hubblec4 Message-ID: <4c930b01-194e-526f-818a-f4867a8dadb4@gmx.ch> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 12:53:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87sh689wvq.fsf@bunkus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:OIkp3twVZzGGs8/82Z0CbatrFiCqZ4x6fd6wabSpMeV26qaTcJP HML4nCB9FxaKKOCLbpDRheWKPw92XmxSN8032VQdLHFOYFNGqTQlfSu2l05xQkDQ3K3jTuS RdOa/gvJwdo4MpQkONSfnX7WFivazEXlICz6waS2RimB3RT5tyAwWn1HQrKakJk/nBi6zRM 8cD7Qr2Wm1FHMNIp5spOw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:KJm/SzWcghc=:SVhLnfbBdQTVov0hDWzH0i CaANJdj6BxzQL0NTp7WjB0E6VLMJmgyQUL1VzuGj7A//jUVqFrCuD9zYsyF/y0bfnuEnkiF/N Pj62nzNH1gXGV+YX70nx7zIjHN3reLDpxDjMnc7IXczrxDnlzstdiEXhsGCbSSOAVI5x6Jz7l kFv+0WIA196WS/9lJJiYloojW4KozOrS6SyKEteHb1SYkIlGSCPz7SlTzKXRu2wkSmSO27i1H ReyA20evnlh4y1KKefgqOA8USmw418r9fV5MWfqw+Cy8DzK00Og5WxiNUuR9P/t5FBRcCuBEI qjxSfKmqlxTHpryFu/RUlTn1gMaLHuIXBa1v///7HewKA8qwiKRAI+qqHrSrNG6LcGZN7Msld EpXRa3FM00My7U62bumjcvy8P3GJ/Y1xKx9pe84l5NvPRZRnTB5HHv5D2+8YecryIc6lCH93l hkSxMMnvo8lk4G9VtBDBhUt0qU/ZiIVFDD5uvo9X0vH5qxWGF0sMq9MgRKTck67pCNPoa3N97 pd93+N3ps4EdUbaFm7QXYiwYp1QPmLXr7+yAxVoFz79xNohG7Rxjb4rD78qwqSaCGb1Eph/W3 KgbSdcZyfx+LtNLEQ5JAnKGlEoCWwfa9MsT2mDDZxlxZFNrDHewBKTn4XdMbzaVrRuehdHgAZ tUQXgjzLbmF2uXiqPUx2ptTegm0i9GDVjuk7ZxiMT0SRmwXsL09wwSMbyjpHgfwbYTJFyzIm1 3wQ4GDe5pbkdVMzIIzSwKDzLhHwsB/ZbkX+HqjuGJaK8jA2TT3YOdkXRGFuykm+XVZWWj+kYl KO/et6d Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Call for adoption of three new WG items X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 10:54:12 -0000 Hey all First, again thanks for this wonderful Meeting. Am 31.05.2018 um 08:12 schrieb Moritz Bunkus: > Hey, > >> We request that people indicate support or objection to the adoption of >> the following three drafts as working group drafts: >> draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04 >> draft-lhomme-cellar-codec-00 >> draft-lhomme-cellar-tags-00 > I'm in favor. > > Kind regards, > mosu > > _______________________________________________ > Cellar mailing list > Cellar@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar We spoke shortly about the Chapters at the end of the meeting. I see a section for the Tags but not for Chapters. Chapters are more complex then Tags. Is the Chapters topic inside the draft-lohmme-cellar-matroska-04? Mosu, I know to describe fully Matroska-Linking there is no time, but we have ordered editions(ordered chapters) which also not really good defined for now. Best regards Martin From nobody Thu May 31 06:07:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A453B12E8E9 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 06:07:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7S_y5kMcwI23 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 06:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server172-3.web-hosting.com (server172-3.web-hosting.com [68.65.122.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2DBA12EBD4 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 06:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [146.96.19.240] (port=4591 helo=[10.10.201.39]) by server172.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1fONIi-000aRr-04; Thu, 31 May 2018 09:07:33 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Dave Rice In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 09:07:30 -0400 Cc: Jerome Martinez , Steve Lhomme Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <529E68D8-B483-4AC7-B94A-D49BC99C6957@dericed.com> References: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> <4fba0261-ced3-9824-91f5-9487a13cf143@mediaarea.net> To: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server172.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dericed.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server172.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: dave@dericed.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server172.web-hosting.com: dave@dericed.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Call for adoption of three new WG items X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 13:07:41 -0000 > On May 31, 2018, at 5:21 AM, Steve Lhomme wrote: > > 2018-05-31 10:47 GMT+02:00 Jerome Martinez : >> On 31/05/2018 03:14, Timothy B. Terriberry wrote: >>> >>> We request that people indicate support or objection to the adoption of >>> the following three drafts as working group drafts: >>> draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04 >>> draft-lhomme-cellar-codec-00 >>> draft-lhomme-cellar-tags-00 > > I am in favor for all three. +3 Dave From nobody Thu May 31 06:12:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C35F12DA50 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 06:12:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ENhMdq5XO0-F for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 06:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server172-3.web-hosting.com (server172-3.web-hosting.com [68.65.122.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65BED12E878 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 06:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [146.96.19.240] (port=49528 helo=[10.10.201.39]) by server172.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1fONN8-000cNf-HM; Thu, 31 May 2018 09:12:08 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Dave Rice In-Reply-To: <4c930b01-194e-526f-818a-f4867a8dadb4@gmx.ch> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 09:12:05 -0400 Cc: cellar@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <67075B43-2025-40C5-A470-73296F3DAE22@dericed.com> References: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> <87sh689wvq.fsf@bunkus.org> <4c930b01-194e-526f-818a-f4867a8dadb4@gmx.ch> To: hubblec4 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server172.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dericed.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server172.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: dave@dericed.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server172.web-hosting.com: dave@dericed.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Call for adoption of three new WG items X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 13:12:11 -0000 Hi Martin, > On May 31, 2018, at 6:53 AM, hubblec4 wrote: >=20 > Hey all >=20 > First, again thanks for this wonderful Meeting. >=20 >=20 > Am 31.05.2018 um 08:12 schrieb Moritz Bunkus: >> Hey, >>=20 >>> We request that people indicate support or objection to the adoption = of >>> the following three drafts as working group drafts: >>> draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04 >>> draft-lhomme-cellar-codec-00 >>> draft-lhomme-cellar-tags-00 >> I'm in favor. >>=20 >> Kind regards, >> mosu >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Cellar mailing list >> Cellar@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar >=20 > We spoke shortly about the Chapters at the end of the meeting. > I see a section for the Tags but not for Chapters. Chapters are more = complex then Tags. > Is the Chapters topic inside the draft-lohmme-cellar-matroska-04? The original discussions about splitting the Matroska document into = sections was considering that: - the Matroska document at the time was massive, well over 200 pages. - the tags and codec specs sections may need more frequent adjustments = as new codecs and tags are needed, whereas the rest of the matroska = specification should be relatively stable Moving the tags section to a separate document wasn=E2=80=99t because of = its complexity but because it would likely need more frequent revision = as new metadata values are added. So the chapters descriptions are still = in draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04, see = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04#section-10. > Mosu, I know to describe fully Matroska-Linking there is no time, but = we have ordered editions(ordered chapters) which also not really good = defined for now. >=20 > Best regards > Martin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cellar mailing list > Cellar@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar From nobody Thu May 31 12:16:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2880312EAF7 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 12:16:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DnXy6UpqK3xm for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 12:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D60C41315B3 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 12:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5733620093; Thu, 31 May 2018 15:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 0789D2DA9; Thu, 31 May 2018 15:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045672DA1; Thu, 31 May 2018 15:16:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: cellar@ietf.org cc: Dave Rice , hubblec4 In-Reply-To: <67075B43-2025-40C5-A470-73296F3DAE22@dericed.com> References: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> <87sh689wvq.fsf@bunkus.org> <4c930b01-194e-526f-818a-f4867a8dadb4@gmx.ch> <67075B43-2025-40C5-A470-73296F3DAE22@dericed.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Call for adoption of three new WG items X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 19:16:48 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave Rice wrote: > - the tags and codec specs sections may need more frequent adjustments > as new codecs and tags are needed, whereas the rest of the matroska > specification should be relatively stable Assuming that the IANA Considerations requires an IETF Standards Action to allocate, then new tags and new codecs can be added with a specification th= at simply updates this document: we don't have to repeat the entire process. If bigcompany.example publishes some super-magic codec, available only by using their CPU, and want a codec code for it, and the IANA Considerations includes an "Expert Review" or "First Come First Served" section, then they simply ask for it, no specification required even. If the ITU publishes some codec, and wants a code, and it's "Specification Required" (vs IETF Standards Action), then the existence of their document is enough to get a code. > Moving the tags section to a separate document wasn=E2=80=99t because= of its > complexity but because it would likely need more frequent revision as > new metadata values are added. So the chapters descriptions are still > in draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04, see > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04#section-1= 0. Will the new tags materially affect processing of the old tags? =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBWxBJ+oCLcPvd0N1lAQIUiwf9EKPfeAOAML4IP9fNeX9wNmmSVA5XHFSt ZtRsdVnDN0dVx2/xONxYNeXtpubZsmk8d1YS2vujjKFxHEwvayewQWl735UtQacs +My+/Zi1nXeqALCcxy3aXeOlM7oMXGK8ZJTWd54o87Fz0dvWuIgif7tX2HBz0glR BfUP8MbbbVN0C8GrAwyQwNh5pBWQVBUYNx9dUo4iVkQvNLpKsAo35IjZDa9TqS6O Wbn8icAyr8Ya8ED/tnPtWamMzp6GApQ9CgDfqTtgXMT8nvj5ASYHd6U6bSZBIMWY oT+hdnVQ8hFgz3h85S4ENIeZkqZdQyX59KJ6eLYgf0IDCA0EF9t7BQ== =OUf0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu May 31 13:13:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D99A1318B2 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 13:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YIgeWYu22isl for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 13:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC480131693 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 13:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] ([93.243.136.43]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ln8Tl-1fwykZ3jX3-00hJqm for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 22:12:58 +0200 To: cellar@ietf.org References: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> <87sh689wvq.fsf@bunkus.org> <4c930b01-194e-526f-818a-f4867a8dadb4@gmx.ch> <67075B43-2025-40C5-A470-73296F3DAE22@dericed.com> <28452.1527794172@localhost> From: hubblec4 Message-ID: <81640b13-51ec-6bc2-9825-da2dce6daabb@gmx.ch> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 22:12:49 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <28452.1527794172@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:T45bnGmy9zDpMQpGD+MT1c7/1AfTj/jO7/+fHB01Wkn3tdfj/dd c2rwBSvlCoyWeNfKb7+0KHcdi7Bi55/rBouQdDRaNQgI1txdeS7h25bRbo2FFWVP1Pjai7i aEM5SI4lh7uDir1L+J75pPRnbrtdx6jM1lLWc4sRNXfI9JhTxZbM7fFfoY904ppM8XSggP9 65ePbzrWUpLUXNXVM9hTQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:FhQmpRvFetE=:YyEN0l/LGNrkxL8JhotqSe lU816SojDYzR3HT3ANLFzr7ixM+NOpISMygfeTS4wgu3kG6JWKlYrHYGFlGRo/q5Y3f6UQCHP Q742FV8XRetx8r4Qm5Cw8zSK9Y3g+BaRlufm/TTMFfSZcM6IDUfaBaBdBKvs5GLax0J5ByIiU +HzeWFA1LFD32rCZaZvJpvpar9uLP/E+otsi874OHCDsLbViL6wc00W/UQ3RolJGHFF5x+ULZ PVxBzf4laTStrKKkurh2QcHqtIrGVpSrclPUwwqhW/lhP/xzTECp9AoOvE54m0DeYbD08yfBZ kLg3A94G397lZP6/qY+HYxkdizk7va0HcqCyUadFsE7xfPf/CZ7ps0B0s6NLU9edirYolClBR +gBrLi6pO84pWiT17ncuogXs1OGPJhqrvh10nPnPligONkk6zeJYtMH9MHj8ZQVWoNGik0Tyu Nub1Crr2qXX3IOrZ5+/pKEhnfIWhxvt/tbZyVy6ygH5ukku1ZPLuqJEPtJiitTE5UEy6o2ZOk 1I8M5998gLU2FZJgRZUShTbwEPljQAE8tKiXLZfEh4gu/H+ZS6CMd8Tp+0VkyASd8AsHXRKXD tB1k/mb4CjiErAbObbdWmOs7j81XZ423NCHE9hWUTKMDioyOGbsu+CU7eV33IXnquHp0CygUN pN2YVmFKINeS3PHXyDBMd1TcvKUv3SJb0MxhknREpx+JXlpWgH+5ehwn6Jt5A/U173Yf1H+lF hz3otiVdDs1hLgxValGXngsGqa02aWm1KArGopVol+w5t63ayQQ1MOpaRqmeEsQnOdJE9ts1Q /mrIqXB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Call for adoption of three new WG items X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 20:13:07 -0000 Hi Michael Am 31.05.2018 um 21:16 schrieb Michael Richardson: > > > Moving the tags section to a separate document wasn’t because of its > > complexity but because it would likely need more frequent revision as > > new metadata values are added. So the chapters descriptions are still > > in draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04, see > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04#section-10. > > Will the new tags materially affect processing of the old tags? > I say no. It is also possible to use own private (undefinded) Tags, for example Mosu's Statistics Tags without break processing old Tags. All Tags work independently. Also new Tags elements must be safe for the old Tags elements. Best regards Martin From nobody Thu May 31 18:13:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01D9124205 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 18:13:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1tkIPEtuL07T for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 18:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A6CA1241F5 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 18:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA2020093; Thu, 31 May 2018 21:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 3C80D2DA9; Thu, 31 May 2018 21:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362892DA1; Thu, 31 May 2018 21:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: hubblec4 cc: cellar@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <81640b13-51ec-6bc2-9825-da2dce6daabb@gmx.ch> References: <1ae2f2ce-3218-a19f-330e-0bd5407452a3@xiph.org> <87sh689wvq.fsf@bunkus.org> <4c930b01-194e-526f-818a-f4867a8dadb4@gmx.ch> <67075B43-2025-40C5-A470-73296F3DAE22@dericed.com> <28452.1527794172@localhost> <81640b13-51ec-6bc2-9825-da2dce6daabb@gmx.ch> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Call for adoption of three new WG items X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 01:13:39 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hubblec4 wrote: >> > Moving the tags section to a separate document wasn=E2=80=99t beca= use of its >> > complexity but because it would likely need more frequent revision= as >> > new metadata values are added. So the chapters descriptions are st= ill >> > in draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04, see >> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lhomme-cellar-matroska-04#sectio= n-10. >>=20 >> Will the new tags materially affect processing of the old tags? > I say no. It is also possible to use own private (undefinded) Tags, f= or > example Mosu's Statistics Tags without break processing old Tags. > All Tags work independently. So, new functionality can be in new documents and does not require revising documents. > Also new Tags elements must be safe for the old Tags elements. If there were new behaviours necessary for old tags, then we would have to change the file version number, I think. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBWxCdmYCLcPvd0N1lAQLSygf/W0laDi28DWLEMaFX5UD/dZYE94qTUxji qD1V0tNBcWYVtLAWgxjd2pt6ImIbzYF7BiGeBRynDjwjHSKcGvArOvUNVyNKqjR8 OV+iHmcDOz5i3WTQdzamM+nt4PrxR1WSZ5t6soQoalsVv93GDS/s5/fYqWtHcTG8 f567P6L/2kpztw2TWULmAMd7N37DHNBCeNpaWOkZ9VWUIACIwEGca65ksiiEcyw4 tTDfVFHbCX1kLGQxbo82Mmo9BtEvpfRZdvi4m6zpnOOhuY8xWun86RWTDgde7nbQ 84rMOguOUwpUcfvPW/abplBIbIcoUfd5bpS08CJw7f1ktacv3O/V4w== =+YCS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--