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CELLAR -- Virtual Interim Meeting

DRAFT MINUTES FOR Virtual Interim Meeting:  August 28, 2018=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 20:00 UTC

INFO:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://datatracker.ietf.org/mee=
ting/interim-2018-cellar-04/session/cellar


Attendees:
Michael Richardson
Moritz Bunkus
J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Martinez
Martin Below
Steve Lhomme
Dave Rice (as call-in user)
Michael Niedermayer
<PLEASE SIGN YOUR NAME HERE>
Missing: Tim Terriberry

Agenda:

1. Note Well.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
2. Draft minutes from Last meeting=C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/=
web/cellar/current/msg01652.html
Adopted as written.

3. Logistics for Meeting.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 2a) Etherpad for notes
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/note=
s-cellar-virtual04?useMonospaceFont=3Dtrue

=C2=A0=C2=A0 2b) Roll call

4. WG status update
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - milestones submitted.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - EBML not in WG last call yet.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 -=C2=A0

5. Progress on EBML comments and review.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - when we can get EBML-05 posted?
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 8 issues open, 4 are "feature requests" for a future revisio=
n, 4 are
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 small issues with pull requests outstanding.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specifi=
cation/issues/183
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The Group thinks that First Come First Serve=
d should be fine for the EBML DocType Registry.
=C2=A0Initial values of matroska, and webm.
=C2=A0"rawcooked" will be added J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Martinez.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specifi=
cation/issues/182
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 closed with small change to document.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specifi=
cation/issues/176
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 closed, with attachment not being recurring.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specifi=
cation/issues/175=C2=A0 LEFT OPEN
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 unclear if this is an ebml issue, but this is an additio=
n.
=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specifi=
cation/issues/164=C2=A0 LEFT OPEN
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 desire for a rational number format, extensi=
on.=C2=A0 can be defined as an extension.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specifi=
cation/issues/157 closed
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 #180 closed, nobody liked it.
=C2=A0#181 https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification/pull/181=C2=
=A0 <- consensus to go with this solution.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specifi=
cation/issues/156
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 this should be a new document, JSON/XML/etc.=
 translation of EBML.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specifi=
cation/issues/48=C2=A0 CLOSED in previous version.


6. EBML IANA Considerations, REDUX.

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Link to IANA considerations thread -
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cellar=
/current/msg01601.html
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - EBML Header has TLV Element with Document Type. ElementID=3D=
xxx.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - EBML Header Document Type needs a registry for Document Type=
s: what is the amending
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - EBML header ElementIDs should have an update rule that says =
IETF Standards Action to update, (and version must be > 1).

(was discussed above)


ACTION:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1) updated ebml document for week of August 27, with upd=
ated IANA considerations for all additions.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (ElementName, and Do=
cType Registry)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2) ffv1 to be worked upon in September..
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3) work on Matroska document for September meeting.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

7. Any other Business.


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Last month we said:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2) ffv1 to be worked upon in September..
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 3) work on Matroska document for September meeting.

and so I'm looking for agenda items relating to ffv1 and Matroska.

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Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
    > 5. Progress on EBML comments and review.  =C2=A0=C2=A0 - when we can =
get EBML-05
    > posted?

I think that we came to a number of useful conclusions at the last meeting,
and we need to get them into a new -05 document.

Do you think that we can get that posted this week?
If so, then we can get this document into WGLC.

    > ACTION: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1) updated ebml document for week of Augus=
t 27, with
    > updated IANA considerations for all additions.  =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (ElementName,
    > and DocType Registry)

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-06 was alread published and -07 is pending. I'm checking the status
of the EBML extension if it needs to be merged in there or not. After
that there is no pending issue/PR for EBML v1.
Le mer. 19 sept. 2018 =C3=A0 17:58, Michael Richardson
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> Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>     > 5. Progress on EBML comments and review.     - when we can get EBML=
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> I think that we came to a number of useful conclusions at the last meetin=
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> Do you think that we can get that posted this week?
> If so, then we can get this document into WGLC.
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>     > ACTION:     1) updated ebml document for week of August 27, with
>     > updated IANA considerations for all additions.            (ElementN=
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I updated the Pull Request, addressing the issues pointed by Moritz:
https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification/pull/181

IMO it both covers temporary extensions and regular/stable ones. 
Although it doesn't distinguish between them.

If we want something more thorough we may want to add the list of pathes 
in an extension. But we don't do that for the main DocType. On the other 
hand a parser knowing the main DocType is supposed to know the semantic, 
whearas the extension can come from anywhere.

Given the time we have I don't think it's good to add the pathes at this 
stage. If we do it should also be compatible/similar to the embedded 
Schema we'd like to do.

Once #181 is merged we can close 
https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification/issues/157 and submit 
EBML-07 for a wider approval.


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> That sounds like we can start a WGLC then.
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{appologies for the last-minute-ness of this. Tim is travelling, and my city
just experienced >=2 Tornados and 50% power outage. https://twitter.com/search?q=ottawa+tornado }

CELLAR -- Agenda for Virtual Interim Meeting
September 25, 2018        20:00 UTC

INFO:
        https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-cellar-05/session/cellar
        https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2018-cellar-05-cellar-01/

WEBEX:
        Meeting number: 313 505 170
        Meeting password: dq64cWsm
        Meeting link:
        https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=me21026faa14be85507cdef66b860014e
        Audio connection:
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Regrets from Tim, who is travelling.

Agenda:

1. Note Well.
2. Draft minutes from Last meeting
3. Logistics for Meeting.
   2a) Etherpad for notes
       https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual04?useMonospaceFont=true

   2b) Roll call

4. WG status update
   - EBML to be placed into 2-week WGLC upon posting of -07 version.
   - work on Matroska and FFV1 issues

5. https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/issues
   - 4 identified issues

6. https://github.com/Matroska-Org/matroska-specification/issues
   - question from co-chair: why are "WEBM" issues in this document?

7. Any other Business.






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        Title           : Extensible Binary Meta Language
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	Filename        : draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-07.txt
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Abstract:
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Hey,

I've just released MKVToolNix v27.0.0. This release is smallish but
important due to two bug fixes. The first is an annoying crash easily
triggered on Windows simply by using the program for a while. The
second is indubitably more important: mkvmerge was corrupting E-AC-3
frames when the "dialog normalization gain removal" functionality was
used.

Here are the usual links:

=E2=80=A6to the source code: https://mkvtoolnix.download/source.html
=E2=80=A6to the binaries: https://mkvtoolnix.download/downloads.html

The Windows and macOS binaries as well as the Linux AppImage are
available already. The other Linux binaries are still being built and
will be available of the course of the next couple of hours.

Here are the NEWS since the previous release:

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# Version 27.0.0 "Metropolis" 2018-09-26

## New features and enhancements

* mkvmerge: chapters: the timestamps of chapters read from containers or fr=
om
  chapter files can be adjusted (multiplication and addition) with the new
  `--chapter-sync` option or using the special track ID `-2` for the existi=
ng
  `--sync` option. Part of the implementation of #2358.
* MKVToolNix GUI: multiplexer: adjusted & added controls for mkvmerge's new
  feature of being able to adjust chapter timestamps. Part of the
  implementation of #2358.
* MKVToolNix GUI: multiplexer: the GUI can now ask for confirmation when the
  user is about to create a file that won't contain audio tracks. It does t=
his
  by default if at least one source file contains an audio track. Implements
  #2380.

## Bug fixes

* mkvmerge: AC-3: dialog normalization gain removal was corrupting E-AC-3
  frames irreversibly by writing checksums in places where they didn't
  belong. Additionally only the first E-AC-3 frame in a Matroska was proces=
sed
  but not additional dependent frames in the same block. Fixes #2386.
* MKVToolNix GUI: fixed a leak of Windows font resources leading to a gener=
al
  slowdown and subsequent crash. Fixes #2372.
------------------------------------------------------------

Have fun :)

mosu

