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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 06:12:34 -0000 On 2021-09-28 21:29, Michael Richardson wrote: >=20 > In a different fora, I asked: >=20 >> {Well, that's really four columns: already fixed!} >> There are 151 some entries already. >> >> 1) We wonder if IANA would prefer to receive this list in another >> form. >> Your XML format as an appendix CODE BEGINs? >> We likely would write code to turn the XML format into a table >> for libpcap and wireshark... >=20 > And IANA answered: >=20 > This would be just fine, if it would make sense for you. This is our fo= rmat: Sounds good. I created an issue to work on this https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/568 > > 0 > LINKTYPE_NULL > BSD loopback encapsulation > > >=20 > ... >=20 > > 147-162 > Reserved for Private Use > > > >=20 > ... >=20 > > 290-64999 > Unassigned > > >=20 > To refer to an RFC, like RFC 8126: >=20 > >=20 > To refer to some other document or location, like example.com: >=20 > >=20 > The date will be the date we add the record to the registry. (In additi= on to > the "date" attribute, if we're asked to change some aspect of the > registration in the future, we would also add an 'updated=3D"yyyy-mm-dd= "' > attribute. It's not used if we're only updating a document reference, l= ike > replacing a draft string with its new RFC number.) >=20 > If these entries were recorded elsewhere in the document, the RFC Edito= r > could remove the XML before publication, if that makes more sense. Or i= t > could be provided to us separately once the IESG approves the document = for > publication. (We generally complete the registry actions within two wee= ks of > IESG approval, provided we don't have any questions at that point.) >=20 >=20 > -- > Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T cons= ulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cellar mailing list > Cellar@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar >=20 From nobody Sun Oct 3 00:45:58 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A62A3A0B9C for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2021 00:45:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Sun, 3 Oct 2021 03:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============6668667622013220989==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Repository Activity Summary Bot To: cellar@ietf.org Message-Id: <20211003074551.0A0EF3A0B92@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 00:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Weekly github digest (CELLAR Activity Summary) X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 07:45:56 -0000 --===============6668667622013220989== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Events without label "editorial" Issues ------ * ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+2/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 2 issues created: - Generate the IANA list of Matroska IDs (by robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/568 [en= hancement] [spec_main] [build system]=20 - Typo for dvvC block addition mapping (by quietvoid) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/566=20 1 issues received 1 new comments: - #566 Typo for dvvC block addition mapping (1 by JeromeMartinez) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/566=20 1 issues closed: - Typo for dvvC block addition mapping https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/= matroska-specification/issues/566=20 * FFmpeg/FFV1 (+1/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC2) 1 issues created: - Renaming of the repo to ffv1-specification (by JeromeMartinez) https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/issues/268=20 1 issues received 2 new comments: - #268 Renaming of the repo to ffv1-specification (2 by JeromeMartinez, m= ichaelni) https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/issues/268=20 * ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+1/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC8) 1 issues created: - FLAC does not have a MIME type registered with IANA (by ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/99=20 4 issues received 8 new comments: - #99 FLAC does not have a MIME type registered with IANA (2 by JeromeMar= tinez, mcr) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/99=20 - #91 Unclear meaning of maximum frame size (with respect to reference im= plementation behavior) (1 by ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/91=20 - #79 Rename repo to flac-specification? (2 by JeromeMartinez, mcr) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/79=20 - #55 Golomb-Rice (from flac-dev) (3 by JeromeMartinez, ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/55=20 1 issues closed: - Rename repo to flac-specification? https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/fl= ac-specification/issues/79=20 Pull requests ------------- * ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+3/-2/=F0=9F=92=AC7) 3 pull requests submitted: - dvvC typo fix (by JeromeMartinez) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/567=20 - Draft: add a tag name IANA registry at the end of the tags document (by= robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/565 [enha= ncement] [clarifications]=20 - Draft: add a codec ID IANA registry at the end of the codec document (b= y robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/564 [enha= ncement]=20 3 pull requests received 7 new comments: - #565 Draft: add a tag name IANA registry at the end of the tags documen= t (1 by robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/565 [enha= ncement] [clarifications]=20 - #558 remove AlphaMode default value (5 by JeromeMartinez, robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/558 [bug]= [format addition] [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 - #557 make (some) elements with a default value mandatory (1 by JeromeMa= rtinez) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/557 [enha= ncement] [format addition] [spec_main]=20 2 pull requests merged: - clarify some interlacing enum values https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/535 [form= atting] [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 - dvvC typo fix https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/567 [bug]= [spec_codecs]=20 * FFmpeg/FFV1 (+0/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC6) 1 pull requests received 6 new comments: - #267 Add an explicit license file (6 by JeromeMartinez, michaelni, pjot= rek-b) https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/pull/267=20 1 pull requests merged: - Add an explicit license file https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/pull/267=20 * ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+5/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 5 pull requests submitted: - Rewrite and expand explanation of interchannel decorrelation (by ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/98=20 - Add a thorough explanation on all four subframe types (by ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/97=20 - Replace tables under RESIDUAL with text and replace RESIDUAL with Coded= residual (by ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/96=20 - Complete rewrite of the definitions section, adding a few as well (by k= tmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/95=20 - Add explanation of origin and use of wasted bits (by ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/94=20 1 pull requests received 1 new comments: - #96 Replace tables under RESIDUAL with text and replace RESIDUAL with C= oded residual (1 by ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/96=20 Repositories tracked by this digest: ----------------------------------- * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification * https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1 * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes --===============6668667622013220989== Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weekly github digest (CELLAR Activity Summary)

Sunday October 03, 2021

Events without label "editorial"

Issues

ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+2/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC1)

2 issues created:

1 issues received 1 new comments:

1 issues closed:

FFmpeg/FFV1 (+1/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC2)

1 issues created:

1 issues received 2 new comments:

ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+1/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC8)

1 issues created:

4 issues received 8 new comments:

1 issues closed:

Pull requests

ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+3/-2/=F0=9F=92=AC7)

3 pull requests submitted:

3 pull requests received 7 new comments:

2 pull requests merged:

FFmpeg/FFV1 (+0/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC6)

1 pull requests received 6 new comments:

1 pull requests merged:

ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+5/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC1)

5 pull requests submitted:

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--===============6668667622013220989==-- From nobody Tue Oct 5 01:06:06 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9953A0889 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 01:06:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yM8ONNepKjJ3 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 01:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7711D3A0882 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 01:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com with SMTP id r1so43626910ybo.10 for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 01:05:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=v8kK3sUFNgLQ/01Z4t1ANjYAktga3CdNS1FykCpbEIE=; b=bbdFXCRrbUSJXfcwlxXKp40ba7MiR1wXowfq8Ee//F6/ieVfSnFuRv37Dilkj2xLAF 1MB4nI+JcbvEp26gEDS+qCE+Sk5azVR3BsoqJYc8+lBq39CvP6NX3lodXSJJMg2koEqd jOkAwv+bLBAh3jFRNM/yB9/b/UPtO9rSWO+0jYEycvMMYRPJERYdi4CZEP4sk7F5Kcpz nxbuPr6OsPr5vaHZR14cn/koPJyepTCX2EiLbc9B4P1S8Pa1NEHKju/z8H8RiVnZjil/ 0FV3AM52LDsjQ0egA2xNDnVEKO33nIE7zMcMdz7ceIVc85UOxKoYdLEkZCquK4bGEAEz tYKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=v8kK3sUFNgLQ/01Z4t1ANjYAktga3CdNS1FykCpbEIE=; b=zasxaFbW1xVEablTweWPeBv2eYenQQuZcOqTUMynU3ZFEeVaF9MZgriXU4zykNxVqq /fvr/76mwxmKAWf3Ce8QT2r/dz4iuoLnk+QGvQdKovRkRxtGj3KscxlDqQr9ixn67zT/ yLh5Bc3zu9PmusBnYr0kkM+E+CiWMmZm3LTfuSXlyQQSDdZkJcEtFPLHlevoye7DAdyJ /U7gkq/VV2XNYhJh2btcPiW4f2TWYNX8E8cVWtQ6Doz0mo7vChRkqvj1R6CRJypKNFys ip5qGx0At8c7YZUmKKOz5m4qnJaWV3u9tfQAqZ2yRfwzxjsWGbQBsDWYlJibbcd0+s3w 9RNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533+Q0ujjYuJ60hKEn1vLymrsgoJ0OeiTbWeIbI1COnMWYCSL21a eirqTHO+H4LLGOI9Xr5zpUgHfb1XaTtgYo0z5fnMXqBbp04= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwjW8pdMplYcortYKPQSnr4LB/LzHkhKLnCWHNO0x8Xkd/YTa1vOJUn1qrUUPwbHxpCrZOyRcPIr/i+kvCFxUw= X-Received: by 2002:a25:6b11:: with SMTP id g17mr21671285ybc.251.1633421158348; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 01:05:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martijn van Beurden Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 10:05:47 +0200 Message-ID: To: cellar@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Any use for FLAC decoding testfiles? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:06:05 -0000 Hi all, A few months ago I made a FLAC decoder testbench: a set of FLAC files specifically designed to test certain aspects of the decoding process, including rice partition escape codes, non-standard blocksizes, a variable blocksize, very small and very large predictor coefficient precision, wasted bits and extremely large metadata blocks. Currently, it is a zip file with 59 FLAC files and a README. All FLAC files contain audio that is licensed under some Creative Commons license. More information can be found here: https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=FLAC_decoder_testbench Would such a testbench be of any use to this working group? Kind regards, Martijn van Beurden From nobody Sat Oct 9 07:27:43 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietf.org Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEC43A0CD8; Sat, 9 Oct 2021 07:27:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: cellar@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cellar@ietf.org Message-ID: <163378965801.2819.4187562691551282178@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 07:27:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cellar-tags-07.txt X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 14:27:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission WG of the IETF. Title : Matroska Media Container Tag Specifications Authors : Steve Lhomme Moritz Bunkus Dave Rice Filename : draft-ietf-cellar-tags-07.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2021-10-09 Abstract: This document defines the Matroska tags, namely the tag names and their respective semantic meaning. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-tags/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-cellar-tags-07.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-cellar-tags-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Oct 9 07:28:27 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietf.org Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6363A0CD8; Sat, 9 Oct 2021 07:27:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: cellar@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cellar@ietf.org Message-ID: <163378966047.12200.14256159087939698729@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 07:27:40 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07.txt X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 14:27:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission WG of the IETF. Title : Matroska Media Container Codec Specifications Authors : Steve Lhomme Moritz Bunkus Dave Rice Filename : draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07.txt Pages : 53 Date : 2021-10-09 Abstract: This document defines the Matroska codec mappings, including the codec ID, layout of data in a Block Element and in an optional CodecPrivate Element. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-codec/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Oct 9 07:28:42 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietf.org Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC703A0CD8; Sat, 9 Oct 2021 07:27:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: cellar@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cellar@ietf.org Message-ID: <163378966467.27188.5678029433289082039@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 07:27:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08.txt X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 14:27:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission WG of the IETF. Title : Matroska Media Container Format Specifications Authors : Steve Lhomme Moritz Bunkus Dave Rice Filename : draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08.txt Pages : 166 Date : 2021-10-09 Abstract: This document defines the Matroska audiovisual container, including definitions of its structural elements, as well as its terminology, vocabulary, and application. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-matroska/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Oct 9 20:35:51 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietf.org Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B963A0B15; Sat, 9 Oct 2021 20:35:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: cellar@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cellar@ietf.org Message-ID: <163383694854.9850.6824174325404867243@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 20:35:48 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cellar-control-00.txt X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 03:35:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission WG of the IETF. Title : Matroska Media Container Control Track Specifications Authors : Steve Lhomme Moritz Bunkus Dave Rice Filename : draft-ietf-cellar-control-00.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2021-10-09 Abstract: This document defines the Control Track usage found in the Matroska container. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-control/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-cellar-control-00.html Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Oct 9 20:36:40 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietf.org Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756BC3A0B70; Sat, 9 Oct 2021 20:35:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: cellar@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cellar@ietf.org Message-ID: <163383695845.9850.16884821656491246631@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 20:35:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00.txt X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 03:36:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission WG of the IETF. Title : Matroska Media Container Chapter Codecs Specifications Authors : Steve Lhomme Moritz Bunkus Dave Rice Filename : draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2021-10-09 Abstract: This document defines common Matroska Chapter Codecs, the basic Matroska Script and the DVD inspired DVD menu. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00.html Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Oct 9 23:24:04 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C983E3A12A0 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2021 23:23:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=matroska-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YK4mr8KgLI5j for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2021 23:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x432.google.com (mail-wr1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8D703A12A4 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2021 23:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x432.google.com with SMTP id y3so11000820wrl.1 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 23:23:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=matroska-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject:content-language:to :references:from:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=85ZzDb3PRZK+so9GKGMe8mCnVb01lcGRp7jSWThOzYg=; b=yUmQNxGjyEWYRpEjO9b7iKTtqLncOcWcCeivz6UuAJxfYNE66rxn1YbYT6e/pUFuj4 v9gX4xtHsNbdWIAU16CzWknz6pjwdIioVl+9SVYtOviGYweIRnZwN2c4MjJUNbcndxed jwZVyoxD803Gl9gR89mn9D5xt0vUQN31vw36F2SsJQTMeCkjQjcgdV4pV2Oik3U+5ZrV A7tApaQZGRcohQoaKXnfGz6ndwVcIOwOudlk2lTKzDQMAWK+DeQRiNa3KrP4v/+H9ECd pop4loyf/x7YC6fSavULAIN1KRIaBkcW1fCzgO0jocxCXUk7MKEthlAzV1KS0ByUmo5H DNpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject :content-language:to:references:from:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=85ZzDb3PRZK+so9GKGMe8mCnVb01lcGRp7jSWThOzYg=; b=2YDLv4KTK4O/SSWiOST2TgO9zltxRPJ4W7aBu5jwPANSnQby64jDLjD14eRJKx7J5Y AlIZm/yoE0dISZUZMNpZB1ZYqPfNGXUW27A+JFHqhb2Mf549+TYPqjl23mh9o/LliEc+ GwItkDPLU0S/+8LE7xjhVqNA5/Qe2z+n+6FvO4vNqlEnQ8A9fiKGkYtwMIxnFEpBP2Rr ZXHl6meGOGZhxGISWCk/loyz/R+/An+/jyZM/A9bXSjdcNke73+HXs2kz/1mjXKFH/gP BjM50m5g4i6m1c7MuixJvLrNYvVbTHQRts/5xYvhKuHQy9vrsAOlDQCStn8OIz34xUJB ExsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531lX+udM5vMxkUJFUoEohvNSpBPv/eAErlGMal+JagM9IDkBitp qTHIkcAV53Oueo6isHhu0duiQ9cBcniUWw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxcW9MligwPoVvxLrveoY5Opln5kguyWedZ8IFmCRCKhLDJ1+eiR7wsD6ZbFoeNso9bhkQ2iw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:a402:: with SMTP id d2mr15553256wra.266.1633847031835; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 23:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPV6:2a01:cb0c:20:e900:7:5bd8:6813:2c8c? 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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 06:24:00 -0000 On 2021-10-05 10:05, Martijn van Beurden wrote: > Hi all, > > A few months ago I made a FLAC decoder testbench: a set of FLAC files > specifically designed to test certain aspects of the decoding process, > including rice partition escape codes, non-standard blocksizes, a > variable blocksize, very small and very large predictor coefficient > precision, wasted bits and extremely large metadata blocks. > > Currently, it is a zip file with 59 FLAC files and a README. All FLAC > files contain audio that is licensed under some Creative Commons > license. More information can be found here: > https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=FLAC_decoder_testbench > > Would such a testbench be of any use to this working group? I think so. In particular all the files that cause crash/freeze/reboot(!) should help define the security issues that need to be looked at when handling a FLAC bitstream. BTW, what did you use to create those bitstream ? 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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:45:14 -0000 Op zo 10 okt. 2021 om 08:24 schreef Steve Lhomme : > > BTW, what did you use to create those bitstream ? How do you check they > are actually valid ? > Files 1-12, 14-15, 17-23, 27-31, 33-44 and 47-59 were made with an unmodified flac compile simply using specific command line switches. For file 13, ffmpeg with a specific command line switch unavailable in libFLAC was used. For file 16 and 32, a modified flac compile was used where a deprecated encoder setting was reenabled. For file 24-27 various versions of Flake were used as described in the README. Files 45 and 46 had the total number of samples c.q. min-max framesize set to zero with a hex editor. The extreme metadata of files 48-55 was added with unmodified metaflac. All files decode without problem with libFLAC, ffmpeg returns errors on file 27 (which is made according to an old version of the FLAC specification) and an error on 59 as it doesn't know image/avif, so they seem valid to me. 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--===============4995829344828996001==-- From nobody Sun Oct 10 13:34:26 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396023A0365 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:34:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4mI9_YnEv6vs for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 2.mo550.mail-out.ovh.net (2.mo550.mail-out.ovh.net [178.32.119.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB3F23A00C4 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player737.ha.ovh.net (unknown [10.109.138.183]) by mo550.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF6E21F0A for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mediaarea.net (p548f95cb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.143.149.203]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@mediaarea.net) by player737.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 097231998B2B3 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: garm.ovh; auth=pass (GARM-101G0041f5ed1c6-176b-4071-a3b4-8097a3ef5ec6, 80699ACFFB7493055187C31DCCFA97CBE13E6A28) smtp.auth=jerome@mediaarea.net X-OVh-ClientIp: 84.143.149.203 To: cellar@ietf.org References: From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 22:34:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 5640758535118555195 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrvddtgedgudehudcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucehtddtnecunecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthekredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheplfgvrhhomhgvucforghrthhinhgviicuoehjvghrohhmvgesmhgvughirggrrhgvrgdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepkefhvdfguefhgfeghfffhfdtheffhfduueevjedtgfejgfelleeujeehteffgfejnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgihhthhhusgdrtghomhenucfkpheptddrtddrtddrtddpkeegrddugeefrddugeelrddvtdefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhpqdhouhhtpdhhvghlohepphhlrgihvghrjeefjedrhhgrrdhovhhhrdhnvghtpdhinhgvtheptddrtddrtddrtddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjvghrohhmvgesmhgvughirggrrhgvrgdrnhgvthdprhgtphhtthhopegtvghllhgrrhesihgvthhfrdhorhhg Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Any use for FLAC decoding testfiles? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:34:25 -0000 On 05/10/2021 10:05, Martijn van Beurden wrote: > Would such a testbench be of any use to this working group? > In my opinion it is actually part of the work about specs (for Matroska we have https://github.com/preforma/groundtruth/tree/master/matroska and moving these files on a CELLAR repo is in my todo-list; we should do same with FFV1). Would it be fine for everyone if we copy these files to a repo e.g. "flac-testfiles" (and for Matroska a "matroska-testfiles" repo) at https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ ? So we have a central place for them and also history management. 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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:24:04 -0000 Op zo 10 okt. 2021 om 22:34 schreef Jerome Martinez : > Would it be fine for everyone if we copy these files to a repo e.g. > "flac-testfiles" (and for Matroska a "matroska-testfiles" repo) at > https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ ? So we have a central place for them > and also history management. I have no objections. I hope the fact that these files contain Creative Commons licensed music (most of them BY-NC-SA) from a few different artists is not a problem? Some files in the testbench cannot be recreated with test tones, as some tested features really need a varying input to be used. 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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 18:35:45 -0000 Op zo 10 okt. 2021 om 22:34 schreef Jerome Martinez : > Would it be fine for everyone if we copy these files to a repo e.g. > "flac-testfiles" (and for Matroska a "matroska-testfiles" repo) at > https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ ? So we have a central place for them > and also history management. Something I forgot to mention: this testbench specifically consists of FLAC subset-compliant files. So, these files are not only valid, but also comply with the additional subset limitations as mentioned in the flac specification. If you put these in a repository, it is perhaps a good idea to place it in a 'subset' subdirectory, to differentiate them from security specific test files that might be interesting to place there as well. From nobody Wed Oct 13 13:34:33 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24A03A0404 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 13:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YjtSqLO66Vwu for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 13:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 13.mo561.mail-out.ovh.net (13.mo561.mail-out.ovh.net [188.165.33.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DC4E3A077C for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 13:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player750.ha.ovh.net (unknown [10.110.115.67]) by mo561.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE34229C8 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 20:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mediaarea.net (p548f95cb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.143.149.203]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@mediaarea.net) by player750.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88390231DB538 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2021 20:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: garm.ovh; auth=pass (GARM-100R003d3086d27-edf0-4e31-b5df-7a90f4332d53, A1F655093F6325E4DB791DDA81F6F1A4F6083879) smtp.auth=jerome@mediaarea.net X-OVh-ClientIp: 84.143.149.203 Message-ID: <9a41a74d-b0f4-4ed5-2973-283658a09826@mediaarea.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 22:34:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.2.0 Content-Language: en-US To: cellar@ietf.org References: From: Jerome Martinez In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 4811814728930134075 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrvddutddgudegkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucehtddtnecunecujfgurhepkfffgggfuffvfhfhjggtgfesthekredttdefjeenucfhrhhomheplfgvrhhomhgvucforghrthhinhgviicuoehjvghrohhmvgesmhgvughirggrrhgvrgdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepvdffffekhfeiieeitefffffgtdeukedukeeftdejfeegffefffehteegudfftdfgnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgihhthhhusgdrtghomhenucfkpheptddrtddrtddrtddpkeegrddugeefrddugeelrddvtdefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhpqdhouhhtpdhhvghlohepphhlrgihvghrjeehtddrhhgrrdhovhhhrdhnvghtpdhinhgvtheptddrtddrtddrtddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjvghrohhmvgesmhgvughirggrrhgvrgdrnhgvthdprhgtphhtthhopegtvghllhgrrhesihgvthhfrdhorhhg Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Any use for FLAC decoding testfiles? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 20:34:31 -0000 On 13/10/2021 17:23, Martijn van Beurden wrote: > I have no objections. So https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-testfiles ! I'll send some PRs for README, LICENSE etc as well as other tips you indicated e.g. FFmpeg compatibility. The test results page would also be great to move there because it says a lot about compatibility, but GitHub Markdown is not so good (colors...), I'll check how we can do there, but if you have ideas let me know (putting the html page?). A remark: version of players (HW or SW) are missing and it would be good to have them. > I hope the fact that these files contain > Creative Commons licensed music (most of them BY-NC-SA) from a few > different artists is not a problem? Some files in the testbench cannot > be recreated with test tones, as some tested features really need a > varying input to be used. IMO free licenses (input based on free content) would have been better but I don't think that it is worth it to change that now, it should not be blocking as it is "only" test files. What you created is already great and tests must have taken a lot of time! But maybe for the next files your input could be some free content. Jérôme From nobody Fri Oct 15 23:23:00 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568BC3A0970 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:22:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NRBnwqFFGP9F for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from albireo.enyo.de (albireo.enyo.de [37.24.231.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37B6C3A096D for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.203.2] (port=45479 helo=deneb.enyo.de) by albireo.enyo.de ([172.17.140.2]) with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1mbd5h-0003VX-A7; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 06:22:45 +0000 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbcxq-0003Ji-It; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:14:38 +0200 From: Florian Weimer To: Martijn van Beurden Cc: Jerome Martinez , cellar@ietf.org References: Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:14:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Martijn van Beurden's message of "Wed, 13 Oct 2021 17:23:42 +0200") Message-ID: <87bl3pfqcx.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Any use for FLAC decoding testfiles? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 06:22:58 -0000 * Martijn van Beurden: > I have no objections. I hope the fact that these files contain > Creative Commons licensed music (most of them BY-NC-SA) from a few > different artists is not a problem? BY-NC-SA licensing precludes use of these files in test suites for most users, I think. Content creators have wildly differing opinions on the meaning of NC licensing, so commercial users tend to avoid BY-NC-*-licensed content. 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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 07:04:26 -0000 On 2021-10-10 22:34, Jerome Martinez wrote: > On 05/10/2021 10:05, Martijn van Beurden wrote: >> Would such a testbench be of any use to this working group? >> > > In my opinion it is actually part of the work about specs (for Matroska > we have https://github.com/preforma/groundtruth/tree/master/matroska and > moving these files on a CELLAR repo is in my todo-list; we should do > same with FFV1). > > Would it be fine for everyone if we copy these files to a repo e.g. > "flac-testfiles" (and for Matroska a "matroska-testfiles" repo) at > https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ ? So we have a central place for them > and also history management. OK for the Matroska repo as well. 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Sun, 17 Oct 2021 03:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============7920034015977089457==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Repository Activity Summary Bot To: cellar@ietf.org Message-Id: <20211017075553.7C5033A0A24@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 00:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Weekly github digest (CELLAR Activity Summary) X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 07:56:00 -0000 --===============7920034015977089457== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Events without label "editorial" Issues ------ * ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+0/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC0) 1 issues closed: - document image flipping https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-spec= ification/issues/327 [enhancement] [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 * FFmpeg/FFV1 (+1/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC7) 1 issues created: - FFV1 CUDA accelerated version (by lp35) https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/issues/269=20 1 issues received 7 new comments: - #269 FFV1 CUDA accelerated version (7 by JeromeMartinez, lp35, pjotrek-= b, retokromer) https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/issues/269=20 * ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+0/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC3) 2 issues received 3 new comments: - #105 Add a "Security Considerations" section (2 by JeromeMartinez, ktmf= 01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/105 [enhanc= ement]=20 - #103 APPLICATION metadata block: riff, aiff and w64 (1 by retokromer) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/103=20 Pull requests ------------- * ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+0/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC2) 2 pull requests received 2 new comments: - #479 mark strings with no default value as not usable if empty (1 by ro= bUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/479 [clar= ifications] [spec_main] [XML Schema]=20 - #466 documentation image flipping through ProjectionPoseYaw/ProjectionP= oseRoll (1 by robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/466 [clar= ifications] [spec_main]=20 1 pull requests merged: - documentation image flipping through ProjectionPoseYaw/ProjectionPoseRo= ll https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/466 [clar= ifications] [spec_main]=20 * ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+2/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC0) 2 pull requests submitted: - add link to IETF draft (by retokromer) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/107=20 - Split FORMAT in three subsections, add unsigned to signed ... 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--===============7920034015977089457==-- From nobody Sun Oct 17 13:33:36 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6813A0BFE for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9BzoqcVXK3sr for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F8DF3A0C04 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077E318291 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 16:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id cEyKWYlrlCH7 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 16:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D6118050 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 16:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45FC527 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 16:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: cellar@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <163445421464.9952.1091090149234104441@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <163445421464.9952.1091090149234104441@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Expiration impending: X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 20:33:35 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that I've seen on github a bunch of activity on FLAC. (As well as lots of Matroska activity today...!) The draft deadline for IETF112 is Monday Oct. 25, so it would be great if t= he flac document could get updated before then... Thank you! >The following draft will expire soon: > >Name: draft-ietf-cellar-flac >Title: Free Lossless Audio Codec >State: I-D Exists >Expires: 2021-10-29 (in 1=C2=A0week, 4=C2=A0days) =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmFsiJcACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUQ3Qf/Sc2jcD05S/XBGx2MCrw/bReLs+qYY30wu3ejhRUMnkYouoG2kdmjdGVq t2TY0Zjkr4oiIrjUo9GsgV3yDoGB0ZiCEsMOFAZ6ZaGCcCIxC7suuzoaV987Td7F qBDogaKx0/VVrcnS6AnnosRgj53RWhg5QDP35HNN1ewjBd/cK3yx2NjeUHG+AX6O bJZ94U1UibqLOSg7mLOVdHLS5f5MT4Jh86fEg9p98heHlILSEwLayYGn7ANUxol+ XpUqn1ed8xe26lhehP6EBYRbUKlshCxyKeFMRD/dLsi+OxlYbZfHDZ76W2Ko1+Xc yWy9XXDkGfzwpj8zar7ZUs2DSlOoQw== =worM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Sun Oct 17 13:34:23 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AA13A0C24 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:34:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LDBittnG0Dcg for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F2AE3A0C20 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D903118291; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 16:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id JQ2ZYttDQb71; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 16:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E36A18050; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 16:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A9F527; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 16:34:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Steve Lhomme , cellar@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Any use for FLAC decoding testfiles? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 20:34:21 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On 05/10/2021 10:05, Martijn van Beurden wrote: >> Would such a testbench be of any use to this working group? >> > > In my opinion it is actually part of the work about specs (for Matros= ka we > have https://github.com/preforma/groundtruth/tree/master/matroska and > moving these files on a CELLAR repo is in my todo-list; we should do = same > with FFV1). > > Would it be fine for everyone if we copy these files to a repo > e.g. "flac-testfiles" (and for Matroska a "matroska-testfiles" repo) = at > https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ ? So we have a central place for t= hem > and also history management. That would be entirely fine! Steve Lhomme wrote: > OK for the Matroska repo as well. We may merge it with > https://github.com/Matroska-Org/matroska-test-files =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmFsiMcACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUOwAf9EFWj8FJ+zbMKMIOXIN4FPGAd1zdfv6mHjPvYzyuMNWhvaOEUa3petQ8y 4bSVmcHP/r5+1JvCp4+6UsD1cV4DfGN8Z/3jK11N5IrH4GYTFsLzVhiYeJbnoK2b Gj9TIPw/KhPU4q8/1X04uilxw9+h0UqPGIk77xOYF/QQZ8tRaMRXlm9Psjt9Rqi3 xSDQTwEWF75SxTAmduCPVdnWFvgMd64EmZPnt0SDIVXbi+Fj0X6Bl2fF9f+eBTEf oFQB9ddd3rhON7VOgLuW28rbxgU7rGOo1eC2lV+ab+3vv0DiDOxOeyj6Shg43H6o Dokmkcu5HEVDhqN5tfj8VMjrj3bb/g== =3Too -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Sun Oct 17 15:29:28 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0C93A12E8 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 15:29:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.119 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3DmQnFUcKODD for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 15:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server172-2.web-hosting.com (server172-2.web-hosting.com [68.65.122.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 774B63A12EF for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 15:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool-72-69-94-33.nycmny.fios.verizon.net ([72.69.94.33]:51223 helo=smtpclient.apple) by server172.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1mcEea-001Qwa-NA; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 18:29:21 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: Dave Rice In-Reply-To: <19407.1634502807@localhost> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 18:29:12 -0400 Cc: cellar@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <163445421464.9952.1091090149234104441@ietfa.amsl.com> <19407.1634502807@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server172.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dericed.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server172.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: dave@dericed.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server172.web-hosting.com: dave@dericed.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Expiration impending: X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 22:29:27 -0000 > On Oct 17, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > I think that I've seen on github a bunch of activity on FLAC. > (As well as lots of Matroska activity today...!) >=20 > The draft deadline for IETF112 is Monday Oct. 25, so it would be great = if the > flac document could get updated before then... Thank you! I=E2=80=99ll volunteer to upload a new draft on the 24th if someone else = doesn=E2=80=99t before then. There are several approved pull requests in = the repository, so I encourage merging what=E2=80=99s okayed soon. Dave >> The following draft will expire soon: >>=20 >> Name: draft-ietf-cellar-flac >> Title: Free Lossless Audio Codec >> State: I-D Exists >> Expires: 2021-10-29 (in 1 week, 4 days) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T = consulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cellar mailing list > Cellar@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar From nobody Sun Oct 17 19:35:45 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDA93A0C6F for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 19:35:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IUDnE9F9cH7e for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 130F73A0C6E for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 19:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4E918112; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 22:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id cKN7r_8a5Uum; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 22:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB2C180EC; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 22:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54173527; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 22:35:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Dave Rice cc: cellar@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <163445421464.9952.1091090149234104441@ietfa.amsl.com> <19407.1634502807@localhost> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Expiration impending: X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 02:35:43 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave Rice wrote: >> On Oct 17, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: >> >> I think that I've seen on github a bunch of activity on FLAC. >> (As well as lots of Matroska activity today...!) >> >> The draft deadline for IETF112 is Monday Oct. 25, so it would be gre= at if the >> flac document could get updated before then... Thank you! > I=E2=80=99ll volunteer to upload a new draft on the 24th if someone e= lse > doesn=E2=80=99t before then. There are several approved pull requests= in the > repository, so I encourage merging what=E2=80=99s okayed soon. Thank you. I'm curious to understand which puppet string caused the activity on FLAC ... because I'd like to pull that string more often :-) =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmFs3XcACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWdTAf9Ep7qfMIUKWVvrZooCmL1JmoUG43FC9mJKgpSDkn0C6+OQx++KXiLqQEx p7x/eejF1FzC0g+YRRMEBoX1stTJGaIUzt3m2IoWuwLf1+g+QykcnwYbS/aXb+Oy rvoMMPInwXgkDQE+oHjd8Qwde/egYxD0ecoBTuxsdc3rYUtF6a/iGSzZ7AePowXR zTZwyMClaRZ8iHHsTjR5LA3PWOPvRfF1YLfL9Z2IcYEm/oGO1YsEFPnia2Rzjrd9 uYITx8mgjGTC0tiKOOlD4M6bxw86n2TAfkZmPBL6/m+Y480nZRaw9gXwRBatFHTY BOsC4rBCzW1qi38zencTH5ERLwWIVw== =sSNu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Sun Oct 17 23:38:39 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815843A11B7 for ; 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Sun, 17 Oct 2021 23:38:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <163445421464.9952.1091090149234104441@ietfa.amsl.com> <19407.1634502807@localhost> <24354.1634524535@localhost> In-Reply-To: <24354.1634524535@localhost> From: Martijn van Beurden Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 08:38:19 +0200 Message-ID: To: Michael Richardson Cc: Dave Rice , cellar@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Expiration impending: X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:38:38 -0000 Op ma 18 okt. 2021 om 04:35 schreef Michael Richardson : > > I'm curious to understand which puppet string caused the activity on FLAC > ... because I'd like to pull that string more often :-) > I was looking through github issues for libFLAC and stumbled upon this one: https://github.com/xiph/flac/issues/74 From nobody Wed Oct 20 12:55:46 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927573A0E18 for ; 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Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:55:00 -0500 Message-ID: To: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c55ab005cece288d" Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Special agenda requests for our October meeting? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:55:45 -0000 --000000000000c55ab005cece288d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear Folk, Michael and I are both seeing a lot of discussion on FLAC and on Matroska in Github. Ordinarily, we would go through high-priority issues that have been raised on the mailing list, and then just go through issues in various GitHub repos. Is there anything that we should start off with, for next Tuesday's meeting? Best, Spencer --000000000000c55ab005cece288d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 07:52:29 -0000 Op wo 20 okt. 2021 om 21:56 schreef Spencer Dawkins at IETF : > > Is there anything that we should start off with, for next Tuesday's meeting? > Not high-priority nor necessarily something to start off with, but perhaps it is a good idea to talk about copyright issues on the FLAC specification. It was mentioned in the last meeting as well, but I am quite concerned with it. The problem is that I haven't heard anything from the original author of FLAC for almost 10 years now: not on any mailing list, forum, git/svn/cvs. I don't know what happened, but his last commit to a repository was in October 2009. The new maintainer said that he was 'missing' in Febuary 2012: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-February/003083.html In April 2012 he surfaced again: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-April/003340.html for a month, disappearing again presumably after this mail: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-May/003384.html It seemed nobody was able to contact him: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-December/003522.html The only recent sign of life I can find is that his Hydrogenaud.io forum profile (jcoalson) was last active about a year ago. Perhaps some of the people at Xiph know how he can be contacted? Rewording the specification to avoid copyright issues is not that hard, but I feel that it would be nice to incorporate the original author as well, if possible. 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X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 14:44:28 -0400 Message-ID: <467562.1634928268@dooku> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Special agenda requests for our October meeting? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 18:44:38 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Martijn van Beurden wrote: > Op wo 20 okt. 2021 om 21:56 schreef Spencer Dawkins at IETF > : >> >> Is there anything that we should start off with, for next Tuesday's meeting? >> > Not high-priority nor necessarily something to start off with, but > perhaps it is a good idea to talk about copyright issues on the FLAC > specification. It was mentioned in the last meeting as well, but I am > quite concerned with it. The problem is that I haven't heard anything > from the original author of FLAC for almost 10 years now: not on any > mailing list, forum, git/svn/cvs. The document was uploaded to the ietf.org datatracker. The copyright issues were essentially assigned at that point. If you are saying that whomever did that upload did not have authorization to do so, then maybe that's an issue. When you talk about "original author", are you talking about the code, or the document? > I don't know what happened, but his last commit to a repository was in > October 2009. The new maintainer said that he was 'missing' in Febuary > 2012: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-February/003083.html > In April 2012 he surfaced again: > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-April/003340.html for a > month, disappearing again presumably after this mail: > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-May/003384.html It > seemed nobody was able to contact him: > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-December/003522.html That all sounds like software, rather than specification. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAmFzBowACgkQlUzhVv38 QpDk2ggAhdDnDzaHOZRNi8Q/DZ1dEPaPYWbnf/XRh/MabiWzWFSptFO7tlObDzCQ Z/kRd/rOxdi9TV4U6SHbzyKbQdRgB0uhqRdtxMyetFu/upt9x6oDuJmIBOul1BU7 lxBQd8E8AwkE4u66HzfMfRGVnORABMtmEwqFN75U448XLMKE/xcPeG1CWBzXC6oz fCZ7BDUiUi/I8Z88vITKl/kPTEda1Tp+zSMjvGeFU/0y5CMR8NzHzrtxK3dQnZRi uTh8+SinhY28SjcQ249WBqZEmMV1buO/khcXZO66wC5oe4Vc7FGT4clxYH01hgl0 4cbdt2NT2iJKmM7nvRbR3Kh1zZFFXw== =148d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Oct 22 12:12:11 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C203A0C3D for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3fntLSzlG-pu for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D9433A0C71 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com with SMTP id 67so9180094yba.6 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:11:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fgHjNJxJocgDi9nG/dYJFyuJvtJkDxwnKmnVK6dGLl0=; b=jTA/mJNVZTOW+DHMpkik428d1WlScvd+6SLQaBMkSU32Vjzc5XEPOVjarO/W9kvDgG nbzNlNduTdWRNZsHNh0X/0t7KwBmO7NSBKOVW3+UTC+/brslQxFu97U3B3QeULs9rGC9 CcHJTadmQTfYgbMorehWTWkXPZ+0zRIL3qvUpHH3qZgA/NaRu7NkZBIzqzFinq3SZnAb d1KmUw0Qq6KEYut1l1hX90Vac5tkaixQnDqWxA4GxfTNqgh4McMkWCf3COY5AuMDFkF8 fJotD8VthySQrAlvlhC/7MUCe9mkZAf17tZhw2rPgUcMUARdCSiZV/6SJ9t1xhgToXOm xnKg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fgHjNJxJocgDi9nG/dYJFyuJvtJkDxwnKmnVK6dGLl0=; b=uCp3xt2VGFDx01o6hZ0/iV/w1PFs3Mqtrr8Bxlc+pM3OZ/qyb0xse8qVszSXptlrr2 FZRRxTHVINwjOqRi0ckx/X6HBxlsEV31+hlL60IsoEwQnnmSgcs9zRzJ9mnA6Gn8qhuE PmlOS+sOGyA0IAKQrNaoK0ERJa0qqwlb4WaIVrgV5EAmrSH+GX5pgML9EliCrBmRgmbx F3GCmgh1UDY7p7LeYYoujYdD2SwaJ0xzRGUslrBN1+Azpbt+dP0Hn9qS94XpJjvVLgz9 raxasnPP0LQ+cqcSATVu23QUTtYZKNsIicm8MKHY0/wzWx64vsHcSkGUz8Ig4L9Lxacg 2X8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5316IkoNYWek9ajEOzol+oauxpkgojdWIdOuLOyYx9zfKqBPt3Z4 gFmOmHgGSGrK9X9bdv9OW20r2e8hxgCiV6vaNus= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx16Uc77eQ6Y7g2DD+UCbmZHr9WUjC2D4JdRO9qyNMzAddwJz62izSaAAOrsi/FGi9asyb1fiyslCJsxnAK/eA= X-Received: by 2002:a25:d796:: with SMTP id o144mr1675273ybg.462.1634929891155; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:11:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <467562.1634928268@dooku> In-Reply-To: <467562.1634928268@dooku> From: Martijn van Beurden Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:11:19 +0200 Message-ID: To: Michael Richardson Cc: Spencer Dawkins at IETF , Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Special agenda requests for our October meeting? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 19:11:50 -0000 Op vr 22 okt. 2021 om 20:44 schreef Michael Richardson : > > The document was uploaded to the ietf.org datatracker. > The copyright issues were essentially assigned at that point. > If you are saying that whomever did that upload did not have authorization to > do so, then maybe that's an issue. > > When you talk about "original author", are you talking about the code, or the > document? > I'm specifically talking about the document. It can be found here: https://xiph.org/flac/format.html. It is licensed under GNU FDL. Based on data available in git, it is reasonable to assume the copyright is be almost exclusively with Josh Coalson as I argued here: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/93 I don't know who uploaded this document to the IETF datatracker, but seeing Josh hasn't been involved in the FLAC project for almost ten years (as I argued in the previous e-mail) I don't think he uploaded it to the IETF datatracker. So yes, I think the original uploader was unable to upload this under terms lesser than GNU FDL. 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Sun, 24 Oct 2021 03:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============4916011761065882263==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Repository Activity Summary Bot To: cellar@ietf.org Message-Id: <20211024113047.6C7253A08F3@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 04:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Weekly github digest (CELLAR Activity Summary) X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:30:53 -0000 --===============4916011761065882263== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Events without label "editorial" Issues ------ * ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+0/-4/=F0=9F=92=AC0) 4 issues closed: - Don't rely on GPL only code https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-= specification/issues/538 [enhancement] [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 - Mark which elements (UIDs) need to be preserved when remuxing https://g= ithub.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/370 [clarifications]= [spec_main]=20 - Add some to TrackType enum https://github.com/ietf-wg-c= ellar/matroska-specification/issues/522 [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 - Explain how to interpret timestamps of frames inside a lace https://git= hub.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/497 [clarifications] [= spec_main]=20 * ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+6/-3/=F0=9F=92=AC17) 6 issues created: - "run-length encoded" for constant subframe might be confusing. (by wade= r) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/114=20 - Add caution note about different bit size for METADATA_BLOCK_HEADER (24= ) and METADATA_BLOCK_PICTURE (32) length (by wader) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/113=20 - Document mapping into containers (by JeromeMartinez) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/112=20 - Document extra bit for stereo side channels (by wader) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/111=20 - Document how total samples in stream should be used (by wader) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/110=20 - Document what is allowed to change between frames (by wader) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/109=20 8 issues received 17 new comments: - #112 Document mapping into containers (1 by ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/112=20 - #111 Document extra bit for stereo side channels (1 by wader) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/111=20 - #110 Document how total samples in stream should be used (2 by ktmf01, = wader) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/110=20 - #109 Document what is allowed to change between frames (4 by JeromeMart= inez, ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/109=20 - #103 APPLICATION metadata block: riff (BWF), aiff and w64 (3 by JeromeM= artinez, ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/103=20 - #84 METADATA_BLOCK_STREAMINFO MD5 signature field is underspecified (1 = by fweimer) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/84=20 - #83 Missing specification of bits-per-sample adjustment for subframes (= 2 by fweimer, wader) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/83=20 - #55 Golomb-Rice (from flac-dev) (3 by ktmf01, wader) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/55=20 3 issues closed: - Document extra bit for stereo side channels https://github.com/ietf-wg-= cellar/flac-specification/issues/111=20 - METADATA_BLOCK_STREAMINFO MD5 signature field is underspecified https:/= /github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/84=20 - Add a "Security Considerations" section https://github.com/ietf-wg-cell= ar/flac-specification/issues/105 [enhancement]=20 Pull requests ------------- * ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+0/-10/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 1 pull requests received 1 new comments: - #503 Random Access Point clarifications (1 by robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/503 [bug]= [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 10 pull requests merged: - make sure AttachmentLink uses a valid FileUID https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/551 [enha= ncement] [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 - Clarify the uncompressed fourcc element https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/548 [enha= ncement] [clarifications] [spec_main] [spec_codecs]=20 - discourage the use of bzip2/lzo due to documentation/licensing issue https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/547 [enha= ncement] [spec_main]=20 - Reserve some Chapter Codec IDs in the IANA https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/537 [enha= ncement] [spec_main]=20 - Mark some elements as preserved during stream copy https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/545 [enha= ncement] [spec_main]=20 - reorder and clarify ChapterTranslate and TrackTranslate elements https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/534 [clar= ifications] [spec_main]=20 - Clean the TrackType definition and value definitions https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/533 [clar= ifications] [spec_main]=20 - Really deprecate TimeSlice elements https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/528 [bug]= [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 - only include the definition for dead elements https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/527 [form= atting] [spec_main]=20 - Rewrite the lacing section with more normative text and precise examples https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/496 [enha= ncement] [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 * ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+2/-8/=F0=9F=92=AC2) 2 pull requests submitted: - delete old to-do file (by retokromer) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/115=20 - Add a security section (by JeromeMartinez) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/108=20 1 pull requests received 2 new comments: - #96 Replace tables under RESIDUAL with text and replace RESIDUAL with C= oded residual (2 by ktmf01) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/96=20 8 pull requests merged: - Split FORMAT in three subsections, add unsigned to signed ... https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/106=20 - Rewrite and expand explanation of interchannel decorrelation https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/98=20 - delete old to-do file https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/115=20 - Add a security section https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/108=20 - Complete rewrite of the definitions section, adding a few as well https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/95=20 - Rewrite scope https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/102=20 - Define the way the md5sum is calculated https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/100=20 - Add explanation of origin and use of wasted bits https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/pull/94=20 Repositories tracked by this digest: ----------------------------------- * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification * https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1 * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes --===============4916011761065882263== Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weekly github digest (CELLAR Activity Summary)

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Issues

ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+0/-4/=F0=9F=92=AC0)

4 issues closed:

ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+6/-3/=F0=9F=92=AC17)

6 issues created:

8 issues received 17 new comments:

3 issues closed:

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ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+0/-10/=F0=9F=92=AC1)

1 pull requests received 1 new comments:

10 pull requests merged:

ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification (+2/-8/=F0=9F=92=AC2)

2 pull requests submitted:

1 pull requests received 2 new comments:

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So we have a central place for them > > and also history management. > > That would be entirely fine! > > Steve Lhomme wrote: > > OK for the Matroska repo as well. We may merge it with > > https://github.com/Matroska-Org/matroska-test-files Moved to https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-test-files From nobody Tue Oct 26 00:28:51 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF843A11B2 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 00:28:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.227 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.227 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-3.33, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=matroska-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kuUYl55iTmbW for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 00:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com (mail-wm1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37C0F3A11BA for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 00:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id a20-20020a1c7f14000000b003231d13ee3cso2024545wmd.3 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 00:28:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=matroska-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject:content-language:to :references:from:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=62qtGtpau4SW4BdH7ZE2XyqO8Pqv/pXUpn0TOJpGXlY=; b=cfuQzsLkP7yd94oBKt0C1QUDatkAmYq8W5TQ3Sl5bg8fu5PD+7Yua+cvc5wQR4m1uq xRxuQZ75X87knWagO/YZAW7aLUb+rwHftaZT73/eY0kFipCBeXoeSABjBepq3qSvTHM5 ljsV7M12kHwf7MN9KaOAcs93soMdwCW0/ERSKMyvT4VZWiJHMaB3tHdfvb3PaHQOwnQq H/v1jJ+LAnou0luGR2k2g4O8VGcQIPYoLbM2N4x7r5pJGyQg94MRQ3Fmbxq9CKNuoFAW 6yHNIGbUogfrHYS/zsOG0sePof2LPCiYwdPjSk9NghhY+x6OjVcXSX8/hBr//kBxMB6h UDtQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject :content-language:to:references:from:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=62qtGtpau4SW4BdH7ZE2XyqO8Pqv/pXUpn0TOJpGXlY=; b=XGuNYZc3wll4mncO/Sa2JifMDby5b8f19LPZqvK18NSO7SZM2pIP+8EghxDJH2jd/y h3AXy9it9E1ziXQKiIVQV+TxRH5k6JDkXywpJLtCCOew2pa65rbB2WyG1u8hAWbkcAjH 4F6XVa4r84JB0QbWNcsRrk6svLj2JXI/k/kkyVUUZxOT0f4b7wENoSdQ6P4ighz+H640 yfYMJlX+B7Y4+vEGc0OWYBEWphElhTKWWGHlg60EjhkLLTeum4F3RKF5E17itlRVc4gg blISB1l72p1GABuBh9/61q/5n33lS//b168HZLo1Y7p1DwZy5w/Xo0NWV4dBXuAR3R3+ Et2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531xZCY5UDXsRfeIWaGSyPD3OpL29zwh8bkrhXYlGe/bCySiNjGK V72lNMbSWxVHb1jZB+g7bID+MpjKq4AbkQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyTvbymQYQP2xFRW4FkvJhq11TrjT6C8wuB8Wkv/Dq81s/I9sc2CFbnITVb0IfxTicpR2FXeQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f316:: with SMTP id q22mr39037398wmq.55.1635233322163; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 00:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPV6:2a01:cb0c:20:e900:f962:d99a:9c2b:d995? 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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 07:28:50 -0000 On 2021-10-22 9:52, Martijn van Beurden wrote: > Op wo 20 okt. 2021 om 21:56 schreef Spencer Dawkins at IETF > : >> >> Is there anything that we should start off with, for next Tuesday's meeting? >> > > Not high-priority nor necessarily something to start off with, but > perhaps it is a good idea to talk about copyright issues on the FLAC > specification. It was mentioned in the last meeting as well, but I am > quite concerned with it. The problem is that I haven't heard anything > from the original author of FLAC for almost 10 years now: not on any > mailing list, forum, git/svn/cvs. > > I don't know what happened, but his last commit to a repository was in > October 2009. The new maintainer said that he was 'missing' in Febuary > 2012: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-February/003083.html > In April 2012 he surfaced again: > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-April/003340.html for a > month, disappearing again presumably after this mail: > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-May/003384.html It > seemed nobody was able to contact him: > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-December/003522.html > > The only recent sign of life I can find is that his Hydrogenaud.io > forum profile (jcoalson) was last active about a year ago. Perhaps > some of the people at Xiph know how he can be contacted? It seems that he was working at Yahoo! a few years ago, making patents https://patents.justia.com/inventor/josh-coalson I did not find any contact info... > Rewording the specification to avoid copyright issues is not that > hard, but I feel that it would be nice to incorporate the original > author as well, if possible. > > _______________________________________________ > Cellar mailing list > Cellar@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar > From nobody Tue Oct 26 05:31:04 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B793A1126 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 05:31:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x9GMA5Y7BIZT for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 05:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ua1-x933.google.com (mail-ua1-x933.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::933]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3A1C3A112A for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 05:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ua1-x933.google.com with SMTP id f4so28751411uad.4 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 05:30:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=e+d4lmJdTT2hxSdbMspHUHyJFiSKQy7gkNeMDjK6AgM=; b=YtNOjqOK1+pknKuT62Ezgd9zzfJRq+rWBBcqmhAZZFVSmHCZ61bScUibpFNcf5MUml WOaBFRcgrxMfdEwdKhd7z9JuhVsjr9jUiTLrjXVgKt9ikosKoNTsQkGyKTXvgkonef2m gXzkg9yQOfZAeiLAEmHePQAQGEGIS+5mHO4Fmsr9PSITxyeexP2N9KO/6VMek8GTHNVf 6YkNIe5qnCOUaU2rCe9GjXiRRh+ZhOvaX5q0PVlBkCdo4fIiT54ncfHsQoLnfvo4Nsco UMOOXVwhvbx5t0Ig1oZQBqekLdZWOA5vEEzxP1e1nmnelTL1/OXjq+ik1a9njjv/lorL urng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e+d4lmJdTT2hxSdbMspHUHyJFiSKQy7gkNeMDjK6AgM=; b=OBzFgh39/GTsszCVa9+z5Y44Eb3R2HKBsj6PZQLWxJ+nL5I3FnBost72H+ZWG8J2YK iE66BS46zJqhFDWTnniIbGqR9Lp7Q3aL0mzuWiRKB7ZEjs0zX6O/VyjLsiDCxPJwcTyZ tkG+fTBzuguCODnt2FXXx77qVbzDM57+w3sPxpgc15NPIsl4GnZmZ2sA848cVS/agVJZ zTLi+xrkTV94JjyQ2iFRg5wLYNrMy4zTQprUhCLYICAX3mhohSVc27qCkBTZTOAiPoXY i33m5aQmJ93cEmCVm2Vq8R3u4c4McjiqxmNswQNqWu5kAYLX3FHADrDD6MkUx+7gwigK g2ag== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533wzQla+PCHBNbXMXUO66V8vZkqim+jQvZVyqgcSMKmzUaLVUGp invaa/7AbxL5SgVd+PJGZ6vpB62gMJjaCORdBi5HhPfm X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyNiBOl4Mb4ug5pZvKWh+nFYrbSQUqHzDWzGSZPyQbqANpw8Sxzj+et7YOFti7EvxwJ5nkiKF7nTDhQmq3f/zc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:5123:: with SMTP id bm35mr23131537vsb.1.1635251454732; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 05:30:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7e08afc1-e320-57a9-4c35-78c8bfba35ea@matroska.org> In-Reply-To: <7e08afc1-e320-57a9-4c35-78c8bfba35ea@matroska.org> From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 07:30:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: Steve Lhomme Cc: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000013ef7b05cf40a681" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] Special agenda requests for our October meeting? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:31:03 -0000 --00000000000013ef7b05cf40a681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, I'll definitely lead off with these topics on the agenda for our call today. Best, Spencer On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 2:28 AM Steve Lhomme wrote: > On 2021-10-22 9:52, Martijn van Beurden wrote: > > Op wo 20 okt. 2021 om 21:56 schreef Spencer Dawkins at IETF > > : > >> > >> Is there anything that we should start off with, for next Tuesday's > meeting? > >> > > > > Not high-priority nor necessarily something to start off with, but > > perhaps it is a good idea to talk about copyright issues on the FLAC > > specification. It was mentioned in the last meeting as well, but I am > > quite concerned with it. The problem is that I haven't heard anything > > from the original author of FLAC for almost 10 years now: not on any > > mailing list, forum, git/svn/cvs. > > > > I don't know what happened, but his last commit to a repository was in > > October 2009. The new maintainer said that he was 'missing' in Febuary > > 2012: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-February/003083.html > > In April 2012 he surfaced again: > > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-April/003340.html for a > > month, disappearing again presumably after this mail: > > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-May/003384.html It > > seemed nobody was able to contact him: > > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-December/003522.html > > > > The only recent sign of life I can find is that his Hydrogenaud.io > > forum profile (jcoalson) was last active about a year ago. Perhaps > > some of the people at Xiph know how he can be contacted? > > It seems that he was working at Yahoo! a few years ago, making patents > https://patents.justia.com/inventor/josh-coalson > > I did not find any contact info... > > > Rewording the specification to avoid copyright issues is not that > > hard, but I feel that it would be nice to incorporate the original > > author as well, if possible. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cellar mailing list > > Cellar@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cellar mailing list > Cellar@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar > --00000000000013ef7b05cf40a681 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,=C2=A0

I'll definitely lea= d off with these topics on the agenda for our call today.=C2=A0
<= br>
Best,

Spencer

On Tue, Oct 26, 2= 021 at 2:28 AM Steve Lhomme <slh= omme@matroska.org> wrote:
On 2021-10-22 9:52, Martijn van Beurden wrote:
> Op wo 20 okt. 2021 om 21:56 schreef Spencer Dawkins at IETF
> <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Is there anything that we should start off with, for next Tuesday&= #39;s meeting?
>>
>
> Not high-priority nor necessarily something to start off with, but
> perhaps it is a good idea to talk about copyright issues on the FLAC > specification. It was mentioned in the last meeting as well, but I am<= br> > quite concerned with it. The problem is that I haven't heard anyth= ing
> from the original author of FLAC for almost 10 years now: not on any > mailing list, forum, git/svn/cvs.
>
> I don't know what happened, but his last commit to a repository wa= s in
> October 2009. The new maintainer said that he was 'missing' in= Febuary
> 2012: http://lists.xiph.org/p= ipermail/flac-dev/2012-February/003083.html
> In April 2012 he surfaced again:
> http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/= flac-dev/2012-April/003340.html for a
> month, disappearing again presumably after this mail:
> http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/fl= ac-dev/2012-May/003384.html It
> seemed nobody was able to contact him:
> http://lists.xiph.org/piperma= il/flac-dev/2012-December/003522.html
>
> The only recent sign of life I can find is that his Hydrogenaud.io
> forum profile (jcoalson) was last active about a year ago. Perhaps
> some of the people at Xiph know how he can be contacted?

It seems that he was working at Yahoo! a few years ago, making patents
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/josh-coalson=

I did not find any contact info...

> Rewording the specification to avoid copyright issues is not that
> hard, but I feel that it would be nice to incorporate the original
> author as well, if possible.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cellar mailing list
> Cellar@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar >

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Please note the minutes from last month's meeting - we'll be asking for approval on today's call. Best, Spencer CELLAR =E2=80=93 DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting DateTimeLocal Times 2021-10-26 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam Administrivia INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-09 Note that we=E2=80=99re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes her= e WEB CONFERENCE: https://whereby.com/cellar-interim THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com lin= k at any time.) We are still on whereby.com for this meeting, but still planning to move to Meetecho for upcoming meetings. Please stay alert! Shared COMIMD for notetaking: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual - Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you=E2=80=99ll be abl= e to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. - Please ask Spencer if you have questions. The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly official location is https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit - and that=E2=80=99s activ= e now. Please bookmark the new one when you=E2=80=99re redirected to it. Logistics for Meeting 2021 virtual interim meeting dates - Please note our 2021 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ - November 23, 2021: 21:00 Paris (2000 UTC) Agenda Items Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ Ro= ll call Attendees - Spencer Dawkins - Regrets * * News You Can Use - NOTE that https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5 is December 8-10, with in-person and virtual registration - a lot of us are attending ** workshop on improving Matroska, and how to improve FFV1. ** the workshops are on December 8, meeting 9/10. Prop= osed final dates for 2022 Cellar meetings - 2022-01-25 - 2022-02-22 - 2022-03-29 - 2022-04-26 - 2022-05-24 - 2022-06-28 - 2022-08-23 - 2022-09-27 - 2022-10-25 - 2022-12-06 ACTION Spencer did send email to the mailing list, with the proposed dates. Spencer=E2=80=99s action is now to confirm with our ADs and request secreta= riat to add these meetings in the datatracker WG status update - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists New this month - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 was posted 2021-10-19, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 was posted 21-10-09, in ID Exists New this month - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-01 was posted 2021-04-27, in ID Exists, Expires soon - draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-0 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists Milestone review: - Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we=E2= =80=99ve published FFV1. ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigge= r issues, to publish as a draft. - Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? ( https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-do= c ) - Have we selected a new editor for FLAC? Discussion on the call - Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. Making sure we have copyright issues straightened out for the FLAC specification - Remember, the issue we care about right now is whether the IETF can publish a FLAC specification - Our =E2=80=9Clast Contact=E2=80=9D for the specification we=E2=80=99re= working with, is =E2=80=9CCopyright =C2=A9 2000-2009 Josh Coalson, 2011-2014 Xiph.Org Foundation=E2=80=9D (https://xiph.org/flac/format.htm= l) Discussion on the call - Matroska issues - Discussion on the call - FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call - FLAC issues - Discussion on the call - AOB? - NEXT MEETING 2021-11-23 [image: :tada:] Notes from previous meeting for approval CELLAR =E2=80=93 DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting DateTimeLocal Times 2021-09-28 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam Administrivia INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-07 Note that we=E2=80=99re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes her= e WEB CONFERENCE: https://whereby.com/cellar-interim THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com lin= k at any time.) We are still on whereby.com for this meeting, but still planning to move to Meetecho for upcoming meetings. Please stay alert! Shared COMIMD for notetaking: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual - Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you=E2=80=99ll be abl= e to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. - Please ask Spencer if you have questions. The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly official location is https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit - and that=E2=80=99s activ= e now. Please bookmark the new one when you=E2=80=99re redirected to it. Logistics for Meeting 2021 virtual interim meeting dates - Please note our 2021 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ - October 26, 2021: 21:00 Paris (1900 UTC) - November 23, 2021: 21:00 Paris (2000 UTC) Agenda Items Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ Roll call Attendees - Spencer Dawkins - Dave Rice - Michael Richardson - Jerome Martinez - Michael Niedermayer - Steve Lhomme - Martijn van Beurden Regrets - Reto Kromer - News You Can Use - NOTE that https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5 is December 8-10, with in-person and virtual registration - are Cellar people attending? ** workshop on improving Matroska, and how to improve FFV1. ** the workshops are on December 8, meeting 9/10. Default dates for 2022 Cellar meetings - 2022-01-25 - 2022-02-22 - 2022-03-22 (but this is IETF 113 - move it to 2022-03-29) - 2022-04-26 - 2022-05-24 - 2022-06-28 - 2022-07-26 (but this is IETF 114 - we canceled July in 2021. Is canceling July the right summer month to cancel? Yes - we MIGHT be meeti= ng in person, at the IETF, but too soon to know that yet) - 2022-08-23 - 2022-09-27 - 2022-10-25 - 2022-11-22 (this is Tuesday of American Thanksgiving - does anyone care?) - 2022-12-27 (but this is winter break for most of us, so we canceled in 2021. Maybe move it to 2022-12-06, or is that too close to the November meeting? proposed final dates: - 2022-01-25 - 2022-02-22 - 2022-03-29 - 2022-04-26 - 2022-05-24 - 2022-06-28 - 2022-08-23 - 2022-09-27 - 2022-10-25 - 2022-12-06 ACTION Spencer to confirm on mailing list WG status update - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-06 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-01 was posted 2021-04-27, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-07 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-06 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists Milestone review: - Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we=E2= =80=99ve published FFV1. ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigge= r issues, to publish as a draft. - Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? ( https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-do= c ) - FLAC still needs an editor to complete the work. Michael did hear back from Florin, and he=E2=80=99s unable to serve as editor, so the working = group has a decision to make about FLAC. Discussion on the call - Steve is waiting for reviews on Matroska (should we just merge everything? :-) Timescale looks like the tricky question, for now. Can start preliminary review on merged documents then. Planning to sort IDs = for IANA (we have over 100 of them) - want to make sure this is easy to veri= fy correctness. IANA will accept XML file for everything - When RFC for Matroska is published, do we have to do anything to update links to Internet-Drafts? No, that=E2=80=99s handled by IANA. Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. - No objections during the call. Matroska issues - Discussion on the call - Mostly validating patches and approving them FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call - Jerome has ideas for proof of concepts, but not ready to share that yet. - Some questions about licensing in IETF - license on FFV1 not present, patch has been approved and applied. License is same as Matroska. FLAC issues - Discussion on the call - (We noted that we don=E2=80=99t have the original FLAC authors involve= d - we probably need to do some homework on this, to ensure that we handle copyright for FLAC correctly) - Remember to mention the FLAC format author(s) - =E2=80=9CJosh Coalson= =E2=80=9D, copyrights in 2009 and 2011 on the website - Martijn van Beurden would like to help, and has experience on libFLAC. For now, we just need to make sure that everything in the documents make= s sense/is logical. If anything is missing, we just need to create issues = ( https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/Cellar-FLAC/issues) and PRs for that. AOB? - Spencer welcomed Martijn van Beurden and thanked him for his offer of help on FLAC NEXT MEETING 2021-10-26 --000000000000c4de2605cf4167e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And Spencer apologizes for being "last minute"!<= div>
Please note the minutes from last month's meeting - = we'll be asking for approval on today's call.

<= div>Best,

Spencer

CELLAR =E2=80=93 DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Me= eting

Da= teTimeL= ocal Times
2021-10-2621:00 Ams= terdamTime Conve= rter
NoteMeeting time is anchored to Amsterdam

Admi= nistrivia

INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chai= r-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-09
= Note that we=E2=80=99= re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here

WEB CONFERENCE:<= /h3>

https://whereby.com/cellar-interim

THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connec= ting to the=C2=A0whereby.com=C2=A0link at any= time.)

We are still on=C2=A0whereby.com= =C2=A0for this meeting, but still planning to move to Meetecho for upcoming= meetings. Please stay alert!

Shared COMIMD for notetaking:=C2=A0https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-vir= tual

  • Note th= at if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you=E2=80=99ll be able to edit th= ese notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
  • Please ask Spencer if you = have questions.

The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly= official location is=C2=A0https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit=C2=A0- and that= =E2=80=99s active now. Please bookmark the new one when you=E2=80=99re redi= rected to it.

Logistics for Meeting

2021 virtual interim meeting dates

Agenda Items

Note Well:= =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/abou= t/note-well/

Roll call

Attendees

  • Spencer Dawkins

Regrets
*=
*

News You Can Use

  • NOTE=C2=A0that=C2=A0https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5=C2=A0is December 8-10= , with in-person and virtual registration - a lot of us are attending
    ** workshop on improving Matroska, and how to= improve FFV1.
    ** the workshops are on D= ecember 8, meeting 9/10.

Proposed final dates for 2022 Cellar meetings
  • 2022-01-25
    • 2022-0= 2-22
  • 2022-03-29
  • 2022-04-26
  • 2022-05-24
  • 2022-06-28
  • 2022-08-23
  • 2022-09-27
  • 20= 22-10-25
  • 2022-12-06

<= span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:700">ACTION=C2=A0Spe= ncer did send email to the mailing list, with the proposed dates. Spencer= =E2=80=99s action is now to confirm with our ADs and request secretariat to= add these meetings in the datatracker

WG status update

  • draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codec= s-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists=C2=A0New this month
  • draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 w= as posted 2021-10-19, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 was posted = 21-10-09, in ID Exists=C2=A0New this month
  • draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-0= 5-25, in ID Exists
  • draft-ietf-cellar-flac-01 was posted 2021-04-27, in ID E= xists,=C2=A0Expires s= oon
  • draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exist= s
  • draft-ietf-cellar-tags-0 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
Mile= stone review:
  • Pr= evious status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we=E2=80=99ve = published FFV1.=C2=A0= ACTION=C2=A0Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (sma= ll) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues,= to publish as a draft.
  • Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EB= ML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-= cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc)
  • Have we selected a new editor for FLAC?
Discussion on the call

= Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

  • Any objections? Please let = us know on the mailing list.

Making sure we have copyright issues straightened out for the FLAC sp= ecification

  • Reme= mber, the issue we care about right now is whether the IETF can publish a F= LAC specification
  • Our =E2=80=9Clast Contact=E2=80=9D for the specification = we=E2=80=99re working with, is =E2=80=9CCopyright =C2=A9 2000-2009 Josh Coa= lson, 2011-2014=C2=A0Xiph.Org=C2=A0Foundation=E2= =80=9D (https://xiph.org/flac/forma= t.html)
Discussion on the call

Matroska issues - = Discussion on the call

= <= /span>FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call

FLAC issues - Discussion on the call

AOB?

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  • NEXT MEETIN= G 2021-11-23=C2=A03D":tada:"

    Notes from previous meeting for approval

    <= h1 class=3D"gmail-part" id=3D"gmail-CELLAR-=E2=80=93-DRAFT-AGENDA-for-Virtu= al-Interim-Meeting" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin:24px 0px 16px;fon= t-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"= ;Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji&qu= ot;,"Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol";line-height:1.25= ;color:rgb(51,51,51);padding-bottom:0.3em;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(238,2= 38,238);letter-spacing:0.35px">CELLAR =E2=80=93 DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting<= /thead>=
    DateTimeLocal Times
    = 2021-09-2821:00 AmsterdamTime Converter
    NoteMeeting time is anchored to Amsterdam

    Administrivia

    =

    INFO:

    https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tre= e/master/interim-2021-07
    Note that we=E2=80=99re now poin= ting to the Github repo for chair notes here

    WEB CONFERENCE:

    https://whereby.com/cellar-interim

    THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to = the=C2=A0whereby.com=C2=A0link at any time.)<= /p>

    We are still on=C2=A0whereby.com=C2=A0for = this meeting, but still planning to move to Meetecho for upcoming meetings.= Please stay alert!

    Shared COMIMD for notetaking:=C2=A0https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual

    The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly off= icial location is=C2=A0https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit=C2=A0- and that=E2= =80=99s active now. Please bookmark the new one when you=E2=80=99re redirec= ted to it.

    Logistics for Meeting

    2021 virtual interim meeting dates

    Agenda Items

    Note Well:=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/

    Roll call

    Attendees

    • Spencer Dawkins
    • Dave Rice
    • Michael Richardson
    • Jerome Martinez
      • =
    • Mich= ael Niedermayer
    • Steve Lhomme
    • Martijn van Beurden

    Regrets

    • Reto Kromer

    News You Can Use

    • NOTE=C2=A0that=C2=A0https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5=C2=A0is December= 8-10, with in-person and virtual registration - are Cellar people attendin= g?
      ** workshop on improving Matroska, an= d how to improve FFV1.
      ** the workshops = are on December 8, meeting 9/10.

    Default dates for 2022 Cellar meetings

    • 2022-01-25
    • 2022-02-22
    • 2022-03-22 (b= ut this is IETF 113 - move it to 2022-03-29)
    • 2022-04-26
    • 2022-05-24
    • 2022-06-= 28
    • 2022-07-26 (but this is IETF 114 - we canceled July in 2021. Is cancelin= g July the right summer month to cancel? Yes - we MIGHT be meeting in perso= n, at the IETF, but too soon to know that yet)
    • 2022-08-23
    • 2022-09-27
      • 2022-1= 0-25
    • 2022-11-22 (this is Tuesday of American Thanksgiving - does anyone car= e?)
    • 2022-12-27 (but this is winter break for most of us, so we canceled in = 2021. Maybe move it to 2022-12-06, or is that too close to the November mee= ting?

    proposed final = dates:

    • 2022-01-25=
    • 2022-02-22
    • 2022-03-29
    • 2022-04-26
    • 2022-05-24
    • 2022-06-28
    • 2022-08-23
    • 2022-09-= 27
    • 2022-10-25
    • 2022-12-06
      ACTION=C2=A0Spencer to confir= m on mailing list

    WG status update

    • draft-ietf-cellar-codec-06 was posted 2021-04= -12, in ID Exists
    • draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID= Exists
    • draft-ietf-cellar-flac-01 was posted 2021-04-27, in ID Exists
      • <= li class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em">draft= -ietf-cellar-matroska-07 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists
    • draft-ietf-ce= llar-tags-06 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists

    Milestone revie= w:

    • Previous stat= us: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we=E2=80=99ve published F= FV1.=C2=A0ACTION=C2=A0Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update.= We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish= as a draft.
    • Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates = (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-s= pecification/tree/corrections-doc)
    • FLAC still needs an editor to comple= te the work. Michael did hear back from Florin, and he=E2=80=99s unable to = serve as editor, so the working group has a decision to make about FLAC.
    Discussion on the call
    • Steve is waiting for reviews on Matrosk= a (should we just merge everything? :-) Timescale looks like the tricky que= stion, for now. Can start preliminary review on merged documents then. Plan= ning to sort IDs for IANA (we have over 100 of them) - want to make sure th= is is easy to verify correctness.
      IANA will accept XML file f= or everything
    • When RFC for Matroska is published, do we have to do a= nything to update links to Internet-Drafts? No, that=E2=80=99s handled by I= ANA.

    Accept draft minutes from pr= evious meeting (attached below)

    • Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
    • No = objections during the call.

    Matroska issues - Discussion on the cal= l

    • Mostly validat= ing patches and approving them

    FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call=

    • Jerome has idea= s for proof of concepts, but not ready to share that yet.
    • Some questions ab= out licensing in IETF - license on FFV1 not present, patch has been approve= d and applied. License is same as Matroska.

    FLAC issues - Discussion on the cal= l

    • (We noted that= we don=E2=80=99t have the original FLAC authors involved - we probably nee= d to do some homework on this, to ensure that we handle copyright for FLAC = correctly)
    • Remember to mention the FLAC format author(s) - =E2=80=9CJosh Co= alson=E2=80=9D, copyrights in 2009 and 2011 on the website
    • Martijn van Beur= den would like to help, and has experience on libFLAC. For now, we just nee= d to make sure that everything in the documents makes sense/is logical. If = anything is missing, we just need to create issues (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/Cella= r-FLAC/issues) and PRs for that.

    AOB?

    • Spencer welcomed Martijn van = Beurden and thanked him for his offer of help on FLAC

    NEXT MEETING= 2021-10-26=C2=A0

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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:34:02 -0000 --0000000000005f809e05cf476596 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please let me know if you have questions or comments! Best, Spencer CELLAR =E2=80=93 DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting DateTimeLocal Times 2021-10-26 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam Administrivia INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-09 Note that we=E2=80=99re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes her= e WEB CONFERENCE: https://whereby.com/cellar-interim THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com lin= k at any time.) We are still on whereby.com for this meeting, but still planning to move to Meetecho for upcoming meetings. Please stay alert! Shared COMIMD for notetaking: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual - Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you=E2=80=99ll be abl= e to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. - Please ask Spencer if you have questions. The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly official location is https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit - and that=E2=80=99s activ= e now. Please bookmark the new one when you=E2=80=99re redirected to it. Logistics for Meeting 2021 virtual interim meeting dates - Please note our 2021 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ - November 23, 2021: 21:00 Paris (2000 UTC) Agenda Items Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ Ro= ll call Attendees - Spencer Dawkins - Michael Richardson - Steve Lhomme - Jerome Martinez - Martijn van Beurden - Reto Kromer - Dave Rice - Michael Niedermayer Regrets * News You Can Use - NOTE that https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5 is December 8-10, with in-person and virtual registration - a lot of us are attending ** workshop on improving Matroska, and how to improve FFV1. ** the workshops are on December 8, meeting 9/10. Prop= osed final dates for 2022 Cellar meetings - 2022-01-25 - 2022-02-22 - 2022-03-29 - 2022-04-26 - 2022-05-24 - 2022-06-28 - 2022-08-23 - 2022-09-27 - 2022-10-25 - 2022-12-06 ACTION Michael sending request to our ADs and requesting secretariat to add these meetings in the datatracker WG status update - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists New this month - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 was posted 2021-10-19, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 was posted 21-10-09, in ID Exists New this month - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-01 was posted 2021-04-27, in ID Exists, New version being posted manually - draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-0 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists Milestone review: - Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we=E2= =80=99ve published FFV1. ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigge= r issues, to publish as a draft. - Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? ( https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-do= c) - we can still wait for more feedback/bigger changes before submitting anything - ETA is =E2=80=9Cafter we get Matroska out, so we know everyth= ing Matroska needs will be covered=E2=80=9D - Have we selected a new editor for FLAC? actually, no, and we need to. This work is heating up, but until this becomes a bottleneck, we can wai= t until Matroska is out Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. - No objections on the mailing list or on the call. Making sure we have copyright issues straightened out for the FLAC specification - Remember, the issue we care about right now is whether the IETF can publish a FLAC specification - Our =E2=80=9Clast Contact=E2=80=9D for the specification we=E2=80=99re= working with, is =E2=80=9CCopyright =C2=A9 2000-2009 Josh Coalson, 2011-2014 Xiph.Org Foundation=E2=80=9D (https://xiph.org/flac/format.htm= l) Discussion on the call - We are still verifying what the license covering the specification is - it=E2=80=99s GFL 1.1, specified in the HTML file - Continue with the current document, or start a new one? - Dave has confirmed with Andrew Weaver that he=E2=80=99s not interested= in continuing the work - Our issue is that the IETF licensing is incompatible with GFL license, because we=E2=80=99re using copyright as a substitute for a trademark, s= ince trademark doesn=E2=80=99t exist in all countries - This is probably a conversation we should have with the IETF Trust - We should also give our ADs a heads-up - Michael is writing a note to the IETF Trust on our call, asking for guidance Matroska issues - Discussion on the call - Merging the easy PRs for now - Two categories of issues are left - Checking with Moritz on 3-4 pull requests, can move ahead without a reply - Steve - we=E2=80=99re close to being ready for a full review - New Matroska docs were taken out of the main specification, and aren= =E2=80=99t blocking for us to move forward - Both new documents need closer looks and discussion FLAC issues - Discussion on the call - Lots of open issues and PRs are new - We have a new version, being posted manually - (=E2=80=9COngoing=E2=80=9D) - We need to track our changes to FLAC while we chase down the plan for dealing with the original text FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call - No discussion on the call AOB? - We have new test files repos - ACTION Spencer to update our activity report - We will meet on Whereby in November meeting, and then (try to) migrate to MeetEcho as a group - Keep an eye on CoViD-19 situations no matter where you are and where you will be! 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    CELLAR =E2=80=93 DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting

    DateTimeLocal Times<= /tr>2021-10-2621:00 AmsterdamTime ConverterNoteMeeting time is anchored to Amsterdam<= /tr>

    Administrivia

    =

    INFO:

    https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/m= aster/interim-2021-09
    Note that we=E2=80=99re now pointin= g to the Github repo for chair notes here

    WEB CONFERENCE:

    https://whereby.com/cellar-interim

    THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the= =C2=A0whereby.com=C2=A0link at any time.)

    =

    = We are still on=C2=A0whereby.com=C2=A0for th= is meeting, but still planning to move to Meetecho for upcoming meetings. P= lease stay alert!

    Shared COMIMD for notetaking:=C2=A0https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual
    • Note that if you lo= g in to the IETF datatracker, you=E2=80=99ll be able to edit these notes, a= dd your name to attendee lists, etc.
    • Please ask Spencer if you have questio= ns.

    The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly official lo= cation is=C2=A0https= ://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit=C2=A0- and that=E2=80=99s a= ctive now. Please bookmark the new one when you=E2=80=99re redirected to it= .

    Logistics for Meeting

    2021 virtual interim meeting dates

    Agenda Items

    Note Well:=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/<= /a>

    Roll call

    Attendees

    • Spencer Dawkins
    • Michael Richardson
    • Steve Lhomme
      • Jerome= Martinez
    • Martijn van Beurden
    • Reto Kromer
    • Dave Rice
    • Michael Niedermayer

    Regrets
    *

    News You Can Use

    • NOTE=C2=A0that=C2=A0= https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5=C2=A0is December 8-10, with in-pers= on and virtual registration - a lot of us are attending
      ** workshop on improving Matroska, and how to improve FFV1.=
      ** the workshops are on December 8, mee= ting 9/10.

    Proposed final dates for 2022 Cellar meetings

    • 2022-01-25
    • 2022-02-22
      • 2022-03= -29
    • 2022-04-26
    • 2022-05-24
    • 2022-06-28
    • 2022-08-23
    • 2022-09-27
    • 2022-10-25
      • <= li class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em">2022-= 12-06

    ACTION=C2=A0Michael sending r= equest to our ADs and requesting secretariat to add these meetings in the d= atatracker

    WG status update

    • draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 was posted 2021-10-09, i= n ID Exists=C2=A0New = this month
    • draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 was posted 2021-10-19, in ID E= xists
    • draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 was posted 21-10-09, in ID Exists=C2=A0<= span style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:700">New this month<= /li>
    • = draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID Exists
    • draft-ietf= -cellar-flac-01 was posted 2021-04-27, in ID Exists,=C2=A0New version being posted manually
    • draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
      • draft-= ietf-cellar-tags-0 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists

    Milestone = review:

    • Previous= status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we=E2=80=99ve publis= hed FFV1.=C2=A0ACTION= =C2=A0Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) up= date. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to pu= blish as a draft.
    • Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML upd= ates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/e= bml-specification/tree/corrections-doc) - we can still wait for more fe= edback/bigger changes before submitting anything - ETA is =E2=80=9Cafter we= get Matroska out, so we know everything Matroska needs will be covered=E2= =80=9D
    • Have we select= ed a new editor for FLAC?=C2=A0actually, no, and we need to. This wo= rk is heating up, but until this becomes a bottleneck, we can wait until Ma= troska is out

    = Accept draft minutes f= rom previous meeting (attached below)

    • Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing lis= t.
    • No objections on the mailing list or on the call.
    Discussion on = the call
    • We are = still verifying what the license covering the specification is - it=E2=80= =99s GFL 1.1, specified in the HTML file
    • Continue with the current document= , or start a new one?
    • Dave has confirmed with Andrew Weaver that he=E2=80= =99s not interested in continuing the work
    • Our issue is that the IETF lic= ensing is incompatible with GFL license, because we=E2=80=99re using copyri= ght as a substitute for a trademark, since trademark doesn=E2=80=99t exist = in all countries
    • This is probably a conversation we should have with the IE= TF Trust
    • We should also give our ADs a heads-up
    • Michael is writing a note t= o the IETF Trust on our call, asking for guidance

    Matroska issues - = Discussion on the call

    • Merging the easy PRs for now
    • Two categories of issues are left
      • <= li class=3D"gmail-" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:0.25em">Check= ing with Moritz on 3-4 pull requests, can move ahead without a replySteve = - we=E2=80=99re close to being ready for a full review
    • New Matroska docs we= re taken out of the main specification, and aren=E2=80=99t blocking for us = to move forward
    • Both new documents need closer looks and discussion

      • FLAC issues - = Discussion on the call

      • Lots of open issues and PRs are new
      • We have a new version, being p= osted manually
      • (=E2=80=9COngoing=E2=80=9D)
      • We need to track our changes t= o FLAC while we chase down the plan for dealing with the original text
        • =

      FF= V1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call

      • No discussion on the call

      AOB?

        We have new test files r= epos -=C2=A0ACTION=C2=A0Spencer to update our activity report
      • We will meet on Whereby in = November meeting, and then (try to) migrate to MeetEcho as a group
      • Keep an = eye on CoViD-19 situations no matter where you are and where you will be!

      NEXT MEETING 2021-11-23=C2=A0

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Agenda: (No agenda submitted) Information about remote participation: link needs to be made From nobody Wed Oct 27 17:09:01 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD75C3A10F3 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:08:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W5FRGv6i2sFT for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D9353A10F1 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A5A18030 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7KAO5KqHupu1 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D150B1801B for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E76585 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:08:47 -0400 (EDT) To: cellar@ietf.org References: From: Michael Richardson Message-ID: <14cc6baa-1c4c-bfec-f71b-c7a1432b5cf0@sandelman.ca> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:08:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] clarification for copyright on flac document X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 00:09:00 -0000 On 2021-10-22 3:52 a.m., Martijn van Beurden wrote: > I don't know what happened, but his last commit to a repository was in > October 2009. The new maintainer said that he was 'missing' in Febuary > 2012: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-February/003083.html > In April 2012 he surfaced again: > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-April/003340.html for a > month, disappearing again presumably after this mail: > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-May/003384.html It > seemed nobody was able to contact him: > http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac-dev/2012-December/003522.html > > The only recent sign of life I can find is that his Hydrogenaud.io > forum profile (jcoalson) was last active about a year ago. Perhaps > some of the people at Xiph know how he can be contacted? > > Rewording the specification to avoid copyright issues is not that > hard, but I feel that it would be nice to incorporate the original > author as well, if possible. The advice from the IETF Trust is that we need to get the original author, Josh Coalson, to license the document under an RFC Trust compatible license. Somewhere else someone said that they had a phone number. Please, if you could unicast that to me, I will phone Josh tomorrow. 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    Op do 28 okt. 2021 02:09 schreef Michael Richardson &l= t;mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>:=

    The advice from the IETF Trust is that we need to get the original
    author, Josh Coalson, to license the document under an RFC Trust
    compatible license.
    Somewhere else someone said that they had a phone number.
    Please, if you could unicast that to me, I will phone Josh tomorrow.


    If you happen to get hold of him, it is perhaps a good= idea to also ask him whether he wants his name to be mentioned as author, = and whether he is the sole author.
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Sun, 31 Oct 2021 03:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============8769882330356812554==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Repository Activity Summary Bot To: cellar@ietf.org Message-Id: <20211031083654.9F63D3A0857@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 01:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Weekly github digest (CELLAR Activity Summary) X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 08:37:00 -0000 --===============8769882330356812554== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Events without label "editorial" Issues ------ * ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+0/-4/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 1 issues received 1 new comments: - #518 add a note about MIME types of font attachments (1 by Liisachan) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/518 [en= hancement] [spec_codecs]=20 4 issues closed: - Fix the IANA considerations for Matroska specs https://github.com/ietf-= wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/414 [bug] [clarifications] [spec_ma= in]=20 - Specify requirements around ReferenceBlock elements and how BlockGroups= signal random access points https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-spe= cification/issues/419 [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 - EBML lacing with only one frame https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matro= ska-specification/issues/355 [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 - Make the MIME types official https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska= -specification/issues/525 [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 Pull requests ------------- * ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification (+1/-6/=F0=9F=92=AC4) 1 pull requests submitted: - make TagXXXUID elements with a default value mandatory (by robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/569 [enha= ncement] [format addition] [spec_main]=20 3 pull requests received 4 new comments: - #557 make (some) elements with a default value mandatory (1 by robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/557 [enha= ncement] [format addition] [spec_main]=20 - #553 add a rule about Cluster\Timestamp being the first child element (= 1 by robUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/553 [enha= ncement] [format addition] [spec_main]=20 - #115 info on storing/using font files in attachments (2 by Liisachan, r= obUx4) https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/115 [clar= ifications] [spec_main]=20 6 pull requests merged: - make (some) elements with a default value mandatory https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/557 [enha= ncement] [format addition] [spec_main]=20 - Create the IANA registry for Matroska IDs https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/563 [enha= ncement] [clarifications] [spec_codecs]=20 - Clean ReferenceBlock definition https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/554 [clar= ifications] [spec_main]=20 - add a rule about Cluster\Timestamp being the first child element https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/553 [enha= ncement] [format addition] [spec_main]=20 - forbid lacing when writing a single frame https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/549 [enha= ncement] [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 - register MIME types in the IANA considerations https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/529 [enha= ncement] [clarifications] [spec_main]=20 Repositories tracked by this digest: ----------------------------------- * https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1 * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-test-files * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-test-files * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes --===============8769882330356812554== Content-Type: text/html; 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