From marshall.eubanks@gmail.com Mon Dec 5 11:25:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C9E11E80DB for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:25:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C8FXrye48SyG for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB16511E80E8 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by ggnk5 with SMTP id k5so1980312ggn.31 for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:25:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6GsR80wC6Q1/psdyxlb5qiXqIEnSMdWt+sxu+fAcJqc=; b=P4JJiIH/TRTCaMfdOZrOOllR9b2Lhs2RhKkjEGG4m6o00hDTkZluChb/kS2iSRhLwG O4oBdnZcLff4SEGMrWQobyO71GWkLWoQDORC6TfCe/yqjBk7hy2Fayl+A2NrFG40KAq6 RRA8r1AbOWC4132NqTsSQQ2l42jnqL0CwhDj8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.141.68 with SMTP id rm4mr2045124obb.23.1323113130506; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.227.67 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:25:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7F2072F1E0DE894DA4B517B93C6A05852C39BBF600@ESESSCMS0356.eemea.ericsson.se> References: <3D85E249-00DE-4F4E-BEBF-AFA9FD71FAE5@cisco.com> <8A4B3F2B-752A-444B-91D8-749E7EF922B8@cisco.com> <61DE2B89-5649-430A-854F-8BB2724EE260@acmepacket.com> <7F2072F1E0DE894DA4B517B93C6A05852C39BBF600@ESESSCMS0356.eemea.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:25:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Marshall Eubanks To: Christer Holmberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: CLUE Subject: Re: [clue] Doodle for proposed Interim in Feb (15, 16, 17) X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:25:32 -0000 Dear Mary; where do we stand with these dates ? Regards Marshall On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote: > > Hi Mary, > > I very much appretiate the fact that you try to avoid confliction with th= e 3GPP meeting. > > However, I am the only one affected by such collision, and if it causes p= roblems e.g. of having the CLUE and RTCWEB meetings b2b, from my perspectiv= e you don't need to take the collision into account. > > Regards, > > Christer > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: clue-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clue-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Mary Barnes >> Sent: 19. marraskuuta 2011 4:50 >> To: Hadriel Kaplan >> Cc: CLUE >> Subject: Re: [clue] Doodle for proposed Interim in Feb (15, 16, 17) >> >> Actually that won't work - that is the last (full) week of >> Jan that I was referring to the next week is what I was >> calling the 1st week of Feb and then the next week is the >> 3GPP meeting week. =A0A week earlier is a remote possibility - >> I just thought it was way too soon after the holiday. >> >> I think we should work offline with the RTCWEB chairs, ADs, >> etc. to figure this out. =A0And, we'll post back to both >> mailing lists what the plan might be. >> >> Thanks, >> Mary. >> >> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Mary Barnes >> wrote: >> > That may work - the only concern with that week was that >> it's really >> > close to after the holidays if you want docs updated enough >> before the >> > meeting. =A0I will update the CLUE doodle and see what the >> results are. >> > >> > Mary. >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Hadriel Kaplan >> wrote: >> >> What about January 23-27? >> >> >> >> Today's Nov 18th. >> >> The week of January 23-27 is the literal midpoint between >> this past week's IETF meeting and the Paris one, I think. > Even accounting for a week off for the week of Thanksgiving, and > a week= off for Christmas/New Year's, you're still talking >> about 7 full working weeks for people to work on docs if an >> interim meeting were held the week of Jan 23-27. =A0And that >> way they'd also have 5 weeks after the interim for 00-draft >> submissions, and 6 weeks for other draft submissions. >> >> >> >> BTW, if you have a CLUE meeting Feb 15-17, that will leave >> you with only 2 weeks before the 00-draft submission deadline >> for IETF-83, and 3 weeks before any draft submission deadline. >> >> Just sayin'. >> >> >> >> -hadriel >> >> p.s. the issue with January 23-27 is it's Chinese new-years I hear. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Mary Barnes wrote: >> >> >> >>> While I think this is a great idea, the current set of >> date choices >> >>> for the CLUE WG meeting are based on the availability of the key >> >>> contributors/document authors, one of whom is on vacation >> the last >> >>> week of Jan and first week of Feb. =A0 The 2nd week of Feb is a >> >>> 3GPP(CT1) meeting. =A0We collided with them last time. If we go >> >>> earlier in Jan, then it's really tight after the holidays >> for anyone >> >>> to get docs updated, etc. Any later in Feb and then we're getting >> >>> too close to the March meeting. >> >>> >> >>> So, I think it may be difficult to get dates that work for both >> >>> groups, although it is a really good idea. >> >>> >> >>> Mary. >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Cullen Jennings >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm proposing a 2 day clue meeting (or whatever length >> clue wants) immediately followed by (or preceded by) a 1 or 2 >> day RTCWeb meeting. Mostly likely the RTCWeb meeting would be >> two days but there will be discussion with the list before >> that decision is made. The goal would be to make it possible >> for people to attend both and hopefully encourage that - > there are clearly skill sets in both groups that the other group > could = benefit from. The Clue folks would go and develop there >> agenda just as if the meeting was not co-located with RTCWeb >> meeting and visa versa. >> >>>> >> >>>> My guess is that RTCWeb meeting would likely focus on >> the alternative proposals to the ROAP protocol along ROAP and >> then also have a big focus on security framework and >> requirements for RTP sharing of UDP ports. Of course that >> will be developed on RTCWeb list and we will have to see what >> drafts come in before hand. RTCWeb has also strongly avoided >> discussing the rings where there was no I-D but I understand >> CLUE is different in that regard so both WG would deal with >> drafts, deadlines, agendas as they normally do. >> >>>> >> >>>> Cullen >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Nov 19, 2011, at 8:08 , Marshall Eubanks wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Cullen Jennings >> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Before we announce these are the dates.. I like to >> consider the possibility of aligning this with an RTCWeb >> meeting. Could we pick dates with conjunction with RTCWeb so >> that we could have the meetings back to back ? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dear Cullen; >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Are you proposing a 3 or 4 day meeting in Andover, >> Massachusetts ? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Could we have a possible agenda of what we want to achieve with >> >>>>> RTCWEB, and some drafts to read describing means of doing that, >> >>>>> before we consider a 4-day joint meeting ? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Regards >> >>>>> Marshall >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> I also think we should have the doodle proposed some >> dates that do not require travel over valentines day. Many >> people I have spoken to have raised this as an issue. Even if >> intention is to not line up with RTCWeb, could we redo the >> dodo to have a dates that cover a few different weeks so >> people have a meaningful choice about dates. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Thanks, Cullen >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2011, at 13:32 , Mary Barnes wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hi all, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Please respond to the doodle if you have an interest in >> >>>>>>> attending a CLUE face to face interim meeting in >> February, 2011. >> >>>>>>> We will meet for two days (either 15-16, or 16-17) in >> Andover, >> >>>>>>> Massachusetts (closest airport is Boston). =A0Logistics for the >> >>>>>>> location are on the CLUE WG wiki from the Oct. >> interim meeting. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> If you can reply by Dec. 2nd , 2011 that will allow >> us to properly plan. >> >>>>>>> http://doodle.com/d86zeaqng28eh3ie >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Regards, >> >>>>>>> Mary. >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> clue mailing list >> >>>>>>> clue@ietf.org >> >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clue >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> clue mailing list >> >>>>>> clue@ietf.org >> >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clue >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> clue mailing list >> >>> clue@ietf.org >> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clue >> >> >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> clue mailing list >> clue@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clue >> > _______________________________________________ > clue mailing list > clue@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clue From marshall.eubanks@gmail.com Mon Dec 5 11:42:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7DB1F0C38 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:42:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U9QIWaecJpG7 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92A321F8C66 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by ggnk5 with SMTP id k5so1998140ggn.31 for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:42:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gKOtwj1j3DWUb6sJV33dCFJ/eXhGaSDdMtzR0cGUIH0=; b=ppCn0QR4y0ng+W+8ubYvG9n44IE/vro426ZaDiHw+Zx6oZRIhNOkj6ynuXH+BF6Jg+ /s/pRXVEDqNnR43C5z9jrqTaufadUXQTXIIR54S/eRNtRAa2+tYsOWDK1W3MtjWNTrCE o7xg0GbCNf1Q3+2m9Ytx2AQYiuqfRUPDvxAR8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.119.100 with SMTP id kt4mr1235525obb.13.1323114135987; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.227.67 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 11:42:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:42:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: Marshall Eubanks To: clue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [clue] Fwd: [rtcweb] Results of Doodle Poll=Interim meeting 1/31/2012-2/1/2012 San Jose X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:42:18 -0000 So, I think it is fair to say we will not be having back to back Clue / RTCWEB meetings. Marshall ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ted Hardie Date: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:56 PM Subject: [rtcweb] Results of Doodle Poll=3DInterim meeting 1/31/2012-2/1/2012 San Jose To: rtcweb@ietf.org Though it was very tight, the doodle poll results have come in supporting an interim meeting January 31st to February 1st, 2012, in San Jose.=A0=A0 The presumption at the moment is that we will start at 9:00 or so Janurary 31st and run as the IETF WG until noon of February 1st, with a half day meeting of the W3C group at the end.=A0 Agenda time slots and logistical details will be forthcoming soon. Ted, Cullen, Magnus _______________________________________________ rtcweb mailing list rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Mon Dec 5 12:03:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF9A21F8A80 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:03:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zS0AlwL0d+Gj for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D391921F8564 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so1870949vbb.31 for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:03:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Cs4vcfRlb4RpYSPp3zUJ74ch++l2/Q8r4RFzLGU6RWw=; b=jzBLLol5PbUWM9JG2+Ur27RbSUvsPxHD4gjQsezT50Br22/NiZFUpPxqtWO2KDw31e HFKshS/GcLzvXwywruf5dsRcDw73hHM0/RaQc0D4MYqtuutZDz5QH3OYCMchuyo65NmY fbHCsLb8RG81DndReQiHR9606QKGa9LuLgO+I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.88.134 with SMTP id bg6mr3642764vdb.4.1323115399254; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.111.34 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:03:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:03:19 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mary Barnes To: CLUE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [clue] CLUE WG Interim meeting - Feb. 15-16, 2012 in Andover, Mass X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:03:26 -0000 I was waiting for the results of the RTCWEB poll to fix the dates, as we would have needed to be meeting on Thurs/Friday (16/17) to accommodate the full week of Interim meetings if they were in Boston area. Now that it's been determined that the RTCWEB meeting will be January 31st-Feb. 1st in San Jose, the CLUE WG interim will be on Feb. 15th and 16th at the Polycom facility in Andover (same location as the October interim meeting). The logistics and a preliminary agenda are available on the wiki: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/clue/trac/wiki/WikiStart Also, if you are planning to attend and have not responded to the doodle, if you could please do so that we can ensure that there is adequate seating and refreshments (note, you'll be on your own for lunch, but there is a cafeteria on the premises). http://doodle.com/d86zeaqng28eh3ie Regards, Mary. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Dear Mary; > > where do we stand with these dates ? > > Regards > Marshall > From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Mon Dec 5 12:03:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428D621F8B15 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:03:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_47=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MnMKuElhRZp9 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f172.google.com (mail-vx0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7447021F8ACA for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by vcbfy13 with SMTP id fy13so4835038vcb.31 for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ObPw5nHik+zUB+JKGxw9ptLbyJJ2rfgc+uF734FBwFU=; b=gnGLeE3JLoGWi7KQnRHdAPJvJ6ksS+xW5mZWT4VaPPE8a6LTASL03T18Zizg/sbemV BrT2Y2tMfYa1nYMo3OTt+hB2A0SjFlh9PWOJXFwFMWSOjBHgrac6vHph8k3VGEqN/SQE NeTZGB8XTHN2YhQ/v/6wW/lbv79FEmFhjms5g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.186.199 with SMTP id ct7mr1157614vcb.114.1323115423956; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.111.34 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:03:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:03:43 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mary Barnes To: Marshall Eubanks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: clue Subject: Re: [clue] Fwd: [rtcweb] Results of Doodle Poll=Interim meeting 1/31/2012-2/1/2012 San Jose X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:03:45 -0000 Correct. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > So, I think it is fair to say we will not be having back to back Clue > / RTCWEB meetings. > > Marshall > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ted Hardie > Date: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:56 PM > Subject: [rtcweb] Results of Doodle Poll=3DInterim meeting > 1/31/2012-2/1/2012 San Jose > To: rtcweb@ietf.org > > > Though it was very tight, the doodle poll results have come in > supporting an interim meeting January 31st to February 1st, 2012, in > San Jose.=A0=A0 The presumption at the moment is that we will start at > 9:00 or so Janurary 31st and run as the IETF WG until noon of February > 1st, with a half day meeting of the W3C group at the end.=A0 Agenda time > slots and logistical details will be forthcoming soon. > > Ted, Cullen, Magnus > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > _______________________________________________ > clue mailing list > clue@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clue